Breaking News! Glenn Greenwald Arrives in US, Not Arrested, Not Tortured, Not Murdered

And then he woke up. It had all been a dream.
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After all the thousands of words Glenn Greenwald has written about the danger he faced if he returned to the United States, and how the government was out to get him and would undoubtedly throw him into solitary confinement instantly upon arrival, and possibly even murder him because that’s how evil Obama is, this morning Greenwald, Laura Poitras and David Miranda arrived in New York to receive an award… and nothing happened.

WAR ON WHISTLEBLOWERS!

Some funny responses on Twitter:

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1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 11, 2014 10:05:48am

LOL.

2 lawhawk  Apr 11, 2014 10:06:29am

That’s not Glenn. That’s a guy in a silicone mask (a la Sofia Vergara).

If it were indeed Glenn, there’d be a halo around his head, and a chorus of angels leading the way and throwing down rose petals like a conquering hero.

3 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 11, 2014 10:06:57am

So did he stand there and scream at everybody DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM!!!! DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM!!!!!!!!

4 Varek Raith  Apr 11, 2014 10:08:41am

Glenn’s narrative spotted;

5 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 11, 2014 10:08:53am

There’s already a “Breaking” diary over at the GOS huffing that he hasn’t shown up to the awards yet…

6 Jack Burton  Apr 11, 2014 10:10:17am

That first Twitter response…

Not sure…

7 nines09  Apr 11, 2014 10:11:04am

He was wearing a super secret stealth suit that only made him visible to his fans and supporters. To normal people he just appeared to look like a giant Douchebag.

8 Justanotherhuman  Apr 11, 2014 10:14:37am

Are we sure that’s GG?

He hasn’t tweeted since 9/9. Must have bought a throwaway phone for the trip with no features.

9 Jay in Oregon  Apr 11, 2014 10:16:24am

Glenn Greenwald is not the self-sacrificing type; this just demonstrates how full of shit he is.

If I honestly believed that the U.S. government would murder me once I stepped onto U.S. soil, no force on Earth could make me go. I certainly wouldn’t go just to accept an award!

IMO, he and Snowden have more to fear from their friends in Russia and China; if either of them die under circumstances that are the slightest bit shady, no one will ever be able to convince the dudebros and emoprogs that the U.S. was not involved. Someone could have video footage of Putin personally forcing Snowden to drink a polonium milkshake and they’d still claim it was a false flag.

10 Lidane  Apr 11, 2014 10:18:28am

Greenwald for the last year: IF I GO BACK TO AMERICA OBUMMER WILL SEND ME TO GITMO!

Greenwald today: What’s a guy gotta do to get arrested in this town?

11 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 11, 2014 10:20:47am

The best part of the diary on the GOS? the comments so far are nearly all snark goodness.

12 lawhawk  Apr 11, 2014 10:22:45am

re: #5 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

There’s already a “Breaking” diary over at the GOS huffing that he hasn’t shown up to the awards yet…

Yeah, he’s probably caught up in the traffic jam caused by the President being in NYC to attend the NAN conference in Midtown. Which was done on purpose to coincide with GG’s return to the US to receive an award that no one ever heard of and which had no particular gravitas until he was named recipient, in which case it became the most important award ever.

13 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 11, 2014 10:22:46am

NY Times:

Mr. Greenwald, who lives in Rio de Janeiro, said he did not expect trouble when he entered the country, though he said in an interview on Thursday from Berlin that his lawyers would be meeting him at the airport. “The chance of being arrested is pretty low, otherwise I wouldn’t be going,” he said.

so he went from “ZOMG IF I GO BACK THEY’LL THROW ME IN GITMO” to “the chances of me being arrested are pretty low”

I would say that de-escalated quickly…

14 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 11, 2014 10:25:01am

Probably the most likely thing to happen to him is to get served with papers regarding various civil suits involving him in the US. Wasn’t that one of the main reasons he relocated to Brazil?

15 Bulworth  Apr 11, 2014 10:26:12am

What about the war on Snowden??111?!?!1 All he did was whistleblow NSA secret spying!!!

16 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2014 10:26:46am

He must be so disappointed.

17 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 11, 2014 10:30:09am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

He must be so disappointed.

You don’t understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a Martyr. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let’s face it.

18 TedStriker  Apr 11, 2014 10:30:21am

re: #6 Jack Burton

That first Twitter response…

Not sure…

IIRC, Bott’s been consistently anti-GG, so I took it as sarcasm.

19 Jack Burton  Apr 11, 2014 10:33:23am

They will quietly black bag him when he tries to leave and no one will know!!!111!!!ONE!!ELEVENTY!!sin2x + cos2x

20 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2014 10:33:43am

re: #6 Jack Burton

That first Twitter response…

Not sure…

It was definitely sarcasm. Ed Bott’s not a fan of the Mighty G.

21 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 11, 2014 10:39:56am

The most likely way for him to wind up in court is getting sued, not criminal charges, I’d say.

22 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2014 10:40:31am
23 lawhawk  Apr 11, 2014 10:44:26am

GG: I am Star Lord.

Korath the Pursuer: Who?

GG: Star Lord

Nova Corps: What an A-hole.

24 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 11, 2014 10:49:03am

XKCD explains heartbleed:
Image: heartbleed_explanation.png

25 teleskiguy  Apr 11, 2014 10:51:00am

That last Twitter response made me laugh so hard I spit!

26 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 11, 2014 10:51:46am

re: #24 William Barnett-Lewis

XKCD explains heartbleed:
Image: heartbleed_explanation.png

Do you have a link to a larger image? Text is too small to read.

27 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 11, 2014 10:52:59am

re: #26 Pie-onist Overlord

Do you have a link to a larger image? Text is too small to read.

Opened it in a new tab.

28 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 11, 2014 10:53:39am

re: #26 Pie-onist Overlord

Do you have a link to a larger image? Text is too small to read.

Sorry. Link to main page: xkcd.com

29 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 11, 2014 11:00:21am

PROJECTION==>

30 Eventual Carrion  Apr 11, 2014 11:06:23am

re: #29 Pie-onist Overlord

PROJECTION==>

Matt Barber @jmattbarber
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Many homosexuals apparently have a neurotic need to be the targets of “hate crimes” barbwire.com … #LGBT

No worries, many twitter users have a neurotic need to be fucking assholes. So it all evens out I guess.

31 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2014 11:07:27am
32 lawhawk  Apr 11, 2014 11:07:42am
33 Killgore Trout  Apr 11, 2014 11:10:41am

Those who read Gates’ book won’t find this surprising
Exclusive: Key General Splits With Obama Over Ukraine

The commander of NATO is insisting that the West do more to protect Ukraine from a possible Russian invasion. But the Obama administration has other plans.

34 Randall Gross  Apr 11, 2014 11:12:29am

Re XKCD - wouldn’t it be 64 letters or bits, not 500?

35 Lidane  Apr 11, 2014 11:14:15am

re: #29 Pie-onist Overlord

This is clearly wrong. If America was ruled by a bunch of Gay Overlords, they wouldn’t force Kim Jong Un’s haircut on anyone.

36 klys  Apr 11, 2014 11:14:58am

re: #30 Eventual Carrion

No worries, many twitter users have a neurotic need to be fucking assholes. So it all evens out I guess.

It’s really, really funny, but I’ve been on Twitter for years and yet managed to avoid most of the outrage. It’s a lovely way to occasionally pop off a quick thought, and I can interact with some people I really admire.

Of course, I also make decisions about what I will and won’t read on Twitter, just like everywhere else, and if something is really going to irritate me, I don’t follow it.

37 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2014 11:17:07am

re: #34 Randall Gross

The Heartbleed bug is due to a length variable that tells a routine how many bytes to fetch from memory. It’s only supposed to be set to a very small number, but it’s defined as an unsigned 16-bit integer — and the routine doesn’t check to make sure the length hasn’t been set to a very large number. Since an unsigned int can contain a number up to 65,536, it’s possible to pass the routine that number and have it retrieve up to 64K of memory at a time. And because the memory’s allocated dynamically, you can call it repeatedly and get different chunks of RAM each time.

38 Lidane  Apr 11, 2014 11:17:13am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

39 klys  Apr 11, 2014 11:17:14am

re: #34 Randall Gross

Re XKCD - wouldn’t it be 64 letters or bits, not 500?

My understanding is that the access was up to 64kb of data in memory.

40 Randall Gross  Apr 11, 2014 11:22:27am

re: #37 Charles Johnson

AH, 64K, not 64 bits. Some days I think too small.

41 Randall Gross  Apr 11, 2014 11:23:34am

Meanwhile I’m having a hoot watching the winger militia nuts and their custodians caterwaul in #bundyranch.

42 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 11, 2014 11:26:10am

re: #41 Randall Gross

Meanwhile I’m having a hoot watching the winger militia nuts and their custodians caterwaul in #bundyranch.

This will not end well.

43 Lidane  Apr 11, 2014 11:27:58am

re: #41 Randall Gross

Meanwhile I’m having a hoot watching the winger militia nuts and their custodians caterwaul in #bundyranch.

They can piss and moan all they want. We all know that at the end of the day, none of them will do anything about it. They’re all brave soldiers in the 101st Fighting Keyboardists, but actual armed rebellion would make them shit bricks.

44 Bulworth  Apr 11, 2014 11:28:11am
Meanwhile I’m having a hoot watching the winger militia nuts and their custodians caterwaul in #bundyranch

All law-abiding gun owners, I’m sure.

/

45 Dr Lizardo  Apr 11, 2014 11:28:13am

OT, but for all you Lizards out there who enjoy history, I strongly recommend this outstanding documentary on the Spanish Civil War of 1936-1939.

It has interviews with the participants from all sides; Nationalists, Republicans, Anarchists, even Falangists, Italian Fascists and participants of the German Condor Legion. Narrated by Frank Finlay.

Youtube Video

Ah, the good old days; when the History Channel actually showed real documentaries containing actual information!! This one was originally broadcast by Granada TV of Britain in 1983.

imdb.com

46 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 11, 2014 11:31:01am
47 klys  Apr 11, 2014 11:34:41am

re: #43 Lidane

They can piss and moan all they want. We all know that at the end of the day, none of them will do anything about it. They’re all brave soldiers in the 101st Fighting Keyboardists, but actual armed rebellion would make them shit bricks.

Most of the folks bitching online? Sure, that might be true.

Some of the sovereign citizens who’ve gone to NV to make a stand?

I sincerely hope that this entire thing ends without bloodshed, but I have less optimism there.

48 Bulworth  Apr 11, 2014 11:35:10am

Obama was very clever to start the tyranny of Amercia by taking over this ranch in the desert. //

49 Eventual Carrion  Apr 11, 2014 11:36:04am

re: #36 klys

It’s really, really funny, but I’ve been on Twitter for years and yet managed to avoid most of the outrage. It’s a lovely way to occasionally pop off a quick thought, and I can interact with some people I really admire.

Of course, I also make decisions about what I will and won’t read on Twitter, just like everywhere else, and if something is really going to irritate me, I don’t follow it.

I set up an account on twitter back when it was first getting recognition and posted one post after setting it up. That post said, “My work here is done!”. That was my one and only twitter post.

50 klys  Apr 11, 2014 11:37:54am

re: #49 Eventual Carrion

I set up an account on twitter back when it was first getting recognition and posted one post after setting it up. That post said, “My work here is done!”. That was my one and only twitter post.

I don’t delude myself into believing that what I post matters to most people. :) But it’s great for keeping in touch with some friends, and following some of the geeky things I care about.

51 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 11, 2014 11:38:14am

re: #42 Pie-onist Overlord

This will not end well.

The only question is one of scale - will it be a small disaster like Ruby Ridge or a larger disaster like Waco? Or worst, will it precipitate another Oklahoma City? At this point, all we can hope for is the former because these idiots want to be martyrs…

52 Lidane  Apr 11, 2014 11:42:23am

re: #47 klys

Most of the folks bitching online? Sure, that might be true.

Some of the sovereign citizens who’ve gone to NV to make a stand?

I sincerely hope that this entire thing ends without bloodshed, but I have less optimism there.

If any of the sovereign citizen dipshits are stupid enough to open fire on law enforcement, they deserve whatever they get in the aftermath. If they feel comfortable pulling the trigger, they should more than feel comfortable with the consequences of it. No sympathy from me.

53 klys  Apr 11, 2014 11:42:54am

re: #52 Lidane

If any of the sovereign citizen dipshits are stupid enough to open fire on law enforcement, they deserve whatever they get in the aftermath. If they feel comfortable pulling the trigger, they should more than feel comfortable with the consequences of it. No sympathy from me.

Oh, I’m not going to feel sympathy for them.

It’s the law enforcement folks I’m worried for.

54 GunstarGreen  Apr 11, 2014 11:44:33am

re: #52 Lidane

If any of the sovereign citizen dipshits are stupid enough to open fire on law enforcement, they deserve whatever they get in the aftermath. If they feel comfortable pulling the trigger, they should more than feel comfortable with the consequences of it. No sympathy from me.

Yep. The moment you fire a shot at authorized agents of the law who are doing their legally-sanctioned duty, you’ve just added yourself to the ‘armed and dangerous’ category, and you should be put down like the rabid dog that you are. They are not oppressing dissenters here, they’re telling this asshole to get his cows off of land he doesn’t own, or they’ll do it for him.

55 bratwurst  Apr 11, 2014 11:44:47am

I have no idea what this “Bundy Ranch” thing is…so I searched it on Google News, and the top links are from RT, Washington Times, The Blaze and WND. That is enough to convince me I don’t actually need to know!

56 Bulworth  Apr 11, 2014 11:45:24am

So what is the actual law regarding the ranch situation? My impression is it’s a case of someone’s ranch animals grazing on federal property and that this practice is supposed to be paid for and that the rancher hasn’t paid his fees for decades. So the feds are seizing the rancher’s animals. Is this about right?

57 Killgore Trout  Apr 11, 2014 11:46:00am

Ground Zero Mosque update: Save the ‘Ground Zero Mosque’

As if out of a Muslim hater’s dream, New York City Buildings Department demolition permits No. 121955946 and No. 121955134 authorize the holder to reduce the so-called ground zero mosque to rubble.

But the person authorized to perform the demolition is not Sarah Palin or some other purveyor of junk jingoism.

The destroyer of the mosque will be Sharif El-Gamel, the same real-estate developer who created such a furor when he established it as part of a proposed Islamic cultural center four years ago. Haters back then called it “mosque madness” and “Islamic domination and expansionism.” Former Mayor Giuliani denounced it as a “desecration.” Palin tweeted, “peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate.”
…
He is still a developer. And to be one he needs money. He now seems to be abandoning that dream because of a lack of financial support from the Muslim community.

“He couldn’t raise the funds,” says a consultant who worked closely with him in the past.

58 Killgore Trout  Apr 11, 2014 11:50:50am

Heckler’s Veto wins again.

59 Lidane  Apr 11, 2014 11:51:05am

re: #53 klys

Oh, I’m not going to feel sympathy for them.

It’s the law enforcement folks I’m worried for.

Oh sure. I worry about the law enforcement having to deal with these nutbars. I hope it doesn’t come to any sort of firefight at all.

60 jaunte  Apr 11, 2014 11:51:11am

re: #41 Randall Gross

Federal Grazing Fee
The Federal grazing fee, which applies to Federal lands in 16 Western states on public lands managed by the BLM and the U.S. Forest Service, is adjusted annually and is calculated by using a formula originally set by Congress in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978. Under this formula, as modified and extended by a presidential Executive Order issued in 1986, the grazing fee cannot fall below $1.35 per animal unit month (AUM); also, any fee increase or decrease cannot exceed 25 percent of the previous year’s level. (An AUM is the amount of forage needed to sustain one cow and her calf, one horse, or five sheep or goats for a month.) The grazing fee for 2014 is $1.35 per AUM, the same level as it was in 2013.


The Federal grazing fee is computed by using a 1966 base value of $1.23 per AUM for livestock grazing on public lands in Western states. The figure is then adjusted each year according to three factors - current private grazing land lease rates, beef cattle prices, and the cost of livestock production. In effect, the fee rises, falls, or stays the same based on market conditions, with livestock operators paying more when conditions are better and less when conditions have declined.
blm.gov

Hmm, who was President in 1986?

61 klys  Apr 11, 2014 11:51:24am

re: #59 Lidane

Exactly.

62 Lidane  Apr 11, 2014 11:52:25am

re: #60 jaunte

Hmm, who was President in 1986?

It’s already been proven that the current POTUS is a Time Lord. Why couldn’t he go back and manipulate Reagan?

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63 Lidane  Apr 11, 2014 11:53:27am

OK seriously? If this is the hill the RWNJs are choosing to die on, it’s pretty goddamn pathetic.

64 jaunte  Apr 11, 2014 11:53:57am

Also from BLM:

“The BLM administers nearly 18,000 permits and leases held by ranchers who graze livestock on public lands.”

Deadbeats in a distinct minority.

65 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 11, 2014 11:54:08am
66 lawhawk  Apr 11, 2014 11:55:24am

re: #56 Bulworth

So what is the actual law regarding the ranch situation? My impression is it’s a case of someone’s ranch animals grazing on federal property and that this practice is supposed to be paid for and that the rancher hasn’t paid his fees for decades. So the feds are seizing the rancher’s animals. Is this about right?

Yeah, that’s pretty much the situation. The guy was letting his herd graze on federal lands without paying the grazing rights to the BLM. The guy accrued nearly $300k in fees/fines as a result. The BLM sought the fees, and the guy has refused, claiming that his family has always grazed on this land and that they don’t recognize the federal government’s claims to the land (which is federal lands that are currently administered by the BLM).

67 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 11, 2014 11:55:26am

re: #58 Killgore Trout

68 jaunte  Apr 11, 2014 11:55:36am

$1.35 per animal per month is pretty cheap feed.

69 klys  Apr 11, 2014 11:56:39am

re: #66 lawhawk

Yeah, that’s pretty much the situation. The guy was letting his herd graze on federal lands without paying the grazing rights to the BLM. The guy accrued nearly $300k in fees/fines as a result. The BLM sought the fees, and the guy has refused, claiming that his family has always grazed on this land and that they don’t recognize the federal government’s claims to the land (which is federal lands that are currently administered by the BLM).

He also says that if he does pay fees, he will pay them to Clark County. Because states’ rights.

70 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 11, 2014 11:57:11am

re: #68 jaunte

$1.35 per animal per month is pretty cheap feed.

Overly cheap - that’s part of the problem but the western legislators wouldn’t want to do anything about that.

71 Lidane  Apr 11, 2014 11:59:14am

Speaking of choosing a pathetic hill to die on:

72 jaunte  Apr 11, 2014 11:59:30am

Rugged individualists
addicted to free public grass, alas.

73 lawhawk  Apr 11, 2014 12:00:02pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

The Park51 concept needed $40-50 million, and it’s been clear for more than a year now that they couldn’t raise the money. So, they’re going to demolish the property and will likely build condos on the site, though the mosque that operates there may still end up in the building.

The Park51 concept included a community center (something the area sorely needs) and a mosque.

One of the reasons that they’re acting now? Down the block Silverstein Properties is finally building the AM Stern designed tower at the former Moodys site, which will be one of the tallest residential/hotel combo properties in the City, and will be taller than the nearby Gehry building at 8 Spruce. The Silverstein site had been dormant for the past couple of years until the end of last year, when building began in earnest. It’s already about 15 stories tall, and growing fast.

He’s looking to cash in on the building down the block.

74 Justanotherhuman  Apr 11, 2014 12:04:12pm

re: #65 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

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This country is full of nutters.

75 Bulworth  Apr 11, 2014 12:04:44pm

From Lidane:

Cruz toys with the idea of using Sebelius replacement to repeal Obamacare: t.co
— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) April 11, 2014

Well, this will surely sink the ACA where the government shutdown and 97 repeal votes have failed. //

76 lawhawk  Apr 11, 2014 12:05:10pm

re: #70 William Barnett-Lewis

The fees for grazing may seem cheap, but it’s nothing compared to the fees for mining and drilling on federal lands. That’s obscenely cheap considering the environmental toll down the line.

77 Justanotherhuman  Apr 11, 2014 12:07:14pm

re: #70 William Barnett-Lewis

Overly cheap - that’s part of the problem but the western legislators wouldn’t want to do anything about that.

And they still don’t want anyone getting food stamps.

But go ahead and graze your cattle on land that belongs to the taxpayers anyway.

Cattle are far more important than people because profits and shit.

78 lawhawk  Apr 11, 2014 12:07:59pm

NSA Said to Have Used Heartbleed Bug, Exposing Consumers

The U.S. National Security Agency knew for at least two years about a flaw in the way that many websites send sensitive information, now dubbed the Heartbleed bug, and regularly used it to gather critical intelligence, two people familiar with the matter said.

The NSA’s decision to keep the bug secret in pursuit of national security interests threatens to renew the rancorous debate over the role of the government’s top computer experts.

Note that this doesn’t distinguish who was being targeted with this surveillance - foreign or US citizens, or both. If it was foreign targets (countries, terror groups, etc.,) then this is a nothing burger - the NSA should be trying to exploit these types of issues to gain as much intel as it can.

If it was used against US citizens, then it needs to explain itself and verify that it didn’t violate US law, including the 4th Amendment.

The NSA isn’t necessarily responsible for warning about exploits/holes in various data platforms. That would be US-CERT, which is part of the DHS.

79 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2014 12:12:31pm
80 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 11, 2014 12:12:36pm

re: #64 jaunte

Also from BLM:

Deadbeats in a distinct minority.

Yep. By not paying the expected fees Bundy is a moocher off the Federal commons.

81 Lidane  Apr 11, 2014 12:14:16pm
82 calochortus  Apr 11, 2014 12:14:41pm

re: #70 William Barnett-Lewis

Overly cheap - that’s part of the problem but the western legislators wouldn’t want to do anything about that.

Maybe and maybe not. There was some concern a couple decades ago about the low cost of federal grazing leases. They are cheaper than on private land, but at least one reasonably unbiased study found that because the federal leases did not include any “improvements” they netted out at a similar cost to private leases.

edited to note that I’m in no way an expert on grazing leases.

83 Justanotherhuman  Apr 11, 2014 12:17:26pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

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Yeah, but who are those “two people”?

“…two people familiar with the matter said.”

If it’s anyone with the NSA, would they be in a position to actually know as well as to speak about it?

These kinds of stories almost seem like plants.

84 Chrysicat  Apr 11, 2014 12:17:57pm
85 dog philosopher  Apr 11, 2014 12:18:05pm

o.t.

i’ve been trying to find out more about ‘heartbeat’ algorithms, which generally seem to describe remote connection ‘keep-alive’ routines, but i still have no idea why copying over a chunk of RAM is necessary for an implementation of it

anybody know more about why the heartbeat algorithm used in openSSL was designed that way?

86 calochortus  Apr 11, 2014 12:19:46pm

re: #69 klys

He also says that if he does pay fees, he will pay them to Clark County. Because states’ rights.

I read somewhere that in 1993 (when this guy quit paying) the land was transferred from being “public land” to being administered by the federal government. The distinction escapes me because the public lands were administered by the feds before that, but evidently there was an outrageously outrageous change in status that he didn’t like which was therefore totally invalid.

87 Eventual Carrion  Apr 11, 2014 12:20:45pm

re: #85 dog philosopher

o.t.

i’ve been trying to find out more about ‘heartbeat’ algorithms, which generally seem to describe remote connection ‘keep-alive’ routines, but i still have no idea why copying over a chunk of RAM is necessary for an implementation of it

anybody know more about why the heartbeat algorithm used in openSSL was designed that way?

Some things just can’t be explained. Like, how do they get the deer to cross the road where they put the deer crossing warning signs?

88 Killgore Trout  Apr 11, 2014 12:21:48pm

re: #73 lawhawk

The Park51 concept needed $40-50 million, and it’s been clear for more than a year now that they couldn’t raise the money. So, they’re going to demolish the property and will likely build condos on the site, though the mosque that operates there may still end up in the building.

The Park51 concept included a community center (something the area sorely needs) and a mosque.

One of the reasons that they’re acting now? Down the block Silverstein Properties is finally building the AM Stern designed tower at the former Moodys site, which will be one of the tallest residential/hotel combo properties in the City, and will be taller than the nearby Gehry building at 8 Spruce. The Silverstein site had been dormant for the past couple of years until the end of last year, when building began in earnest. It’s already about 15 stories tall, and growing fast.

He’s looking to cash in on the building down the block.

I would have like to see the project completed just as a “Fuck you” to the people trying to force others to bow to their outrage. Oh, well. The dude’s gotta make money.

89 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 11, 2014 12:22:02pm

re: #74 Justanotherhuman

Heavily armed and proudly misinformed nutters.

90 Flounder  Apr 11, 2014 12:22:10pm

re: #84 Chrysicat

Just stay away from Chrysler.
/runs

91 wrenchwench  Apr 11, 2014 12:22:18pm

re: #47 klys

Most of the folks bitching online? Sure, that might be true.

Some of the sovereign citizens who’ve gone to NV to make a stand?

I sincerely hope that this entire thing ends without bloodshed, but I have less optimism there.

My thoughts exactly, and I sat next to some of these people last weekend, or supporters of these people, at least. They were mostly old and yacking it up in person like they do on twitter, but they all have kids and grandkids who have been inculcated to one degree or another, and they are armed most of the time. And they all have BLM leases, and cattle, and lots of sympathy for Bundy.

There were two ‘Fast and Furious is Treason’ bumper stickers.

92 wrenchwench  Apr 11, 2014 12:23:21pm

re: #51 William Barnett-Lewis

The only question is one of scale - will it be a small disaster like Ruby Ridge or a larger disaster like Waco? Or worst, will it precipitate another Oklahoma City? At this point, all we can hope for is the former because these idiots want to be martyrs…

I heard ‘Just like Ruby Ridge’ yesterday.

93 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 11, 2014 12:23:41pm

Wingnut freakout over “Heartbleed” begins

94 wrenchwench  Apr 11, 2014 12:24:16pm

re: #55 bratwurst

I have no idea what this “Bundy Ranch” thing is…so I searched it on Google News, and the top links are from RT, Washington Times, The Blaze and WND. That is enough to convince me I don’t actually need to know!

Geographic privilege!!!1!

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95 calochortus  Apr 11, 2014 12:24:35pm

re: #93 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut freakout over “Heartbleed” begins

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I’ll bite. Who, precisely, does this guy want to jail?

96 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 11, 2014 12:25:12pm

re: #95 calochortus

I’ll bite. Who, precisely, does this guy want to jail?

OBAMA!!!!!! FOR ALL TEH CRIMES!!!!!!

97 kirkspencer  Apr 11, 2014 12:25:53pm

re: #86 calochortus

I read somewhere that in 1993 (when this guy quit paying) the land was transferred from being “public land” to being administered by the federal government. The distinction escapes me because the public lands were administered by the feds before that, but evidently there was an outrageously outrageous change in status that he didn’t like which was therefore totally invalid.

Still public land. What BLM did in 1993 was restrict some of the land use to protect the desert tortoise. This guy said he wasn’t going to change his use of the land because of some turtle. Eventually the land was completely blocked from grazing permits to make a restricted habitat for the tortoise.

So what’s going on is a two-fer. He hasn’t been paying for the permits, and he’s been letting his cattle graze in a restricted habitat.

98 Eventual Carrion  Apr 11, 2014 12:26:12pm

re: #95 calochortus

I’ll bite. Who, precisely, does this guy want to jail?

Don’t know, but I bet who ever he thinks should be jailed doesn’t sunburn easily.

99 Mike Lamb  Apr 11, 2014 12:26:13pm

re: #69 klys

He also says that if he does pay fees, he will pay them to Clark County. Because states’ rights.

This fuckstick needs to look at a map of the Western US that shows ownership interests in the land. There is no fucking Nevada as he knows it but for the feds licensing federal lands for private use. His family has always grazed there? Well then he’s “always” grazed on fed lands.

States rights my ass. If that’s the case, how about getting a title report and pointing out when Nevada owned the land. Idiot.

100 klys  Apr 11, 2014 12:27:21pm

Completely OT, and should not be read as an endorsement, but…

The number of robocalls hitting the home line has hit the 5-6 a day number, and since I work from home, I’m getting really sick of them. Some digging today found nomorobo as one winner of the FTC competition to try and block robocalls. It doesn’t work for every carrier (it needs the ability to ring multiple locations) but it does for ours and at this point, I’m desperate.

Obviously people can come up with all sorts of privacy concerns, etc., but we’re giving it a try.

101 ObserverArt  Apr 11, 2014 12:27:28pm

re: #74 Justanotherhuman

This country is full of nutters.

Yeah. And when they get crazy and gang up bad stuff can happen. I hope they can keep this cattle thing under control, but as many have been saying, they seem to want a confrontation. And with today’s political landscape, well, full nutter will be on the program.

Anyone hear if Ted Nugent is on his way there yet? Glenn Beck? Alex Jones? We need some conservative talk radio and web shows doing broadcasts from on location. Fox Friends live on a couch out on the Federal Land duded up in gen-u-whine cowboy cammo! Let’s make this real big so that when it blows up, it really, really blows up.

/

102 dog philosopher  Apr 11, 2014 12:28:45pm

re: #93 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut freakout over “Heartbleed” begins

‘Conservative’ Commentariat Struggling To Connect Open Source Bugs To Obama, Liberals, Abortion, And Welfare

140 character limit for any ideological sophistry and five minute attention span of target audience defeat efforts so far

103 Lidane  Apr 11, 2014 12:29:04pm

Completely OT, but I am far too amused by this:

Youtube Video

What makes this especially hilarious to me is that the guy holding the soda can is Sebastian Stan, who plays the Winter Soldier.

104 lawhawk  Apr 11, 2014 12:29:09pm

re: #86 calochortus

Most of Nevada is public land (highest percentage in US of any state IIRC).

A map of federal lands (all types).

The area in question is between the Lake Mead NRA and the Grand Canyon Parashant National Monument.

105 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 11, 2014 12:30:26pm

re: #69 klys

He also says that if he does pay fees, he will pay them to Clark County. Because states’ rights.

Which is complete BS since that whole area (and most of “The West”) was Federal land before the territory, state, much less county came into existence.

106 Chrysicat  Apr 11, 2014 12:30:36pm

re: #90 Flounder

Just stay away from Chrysler.
/runs

Well, I might give the FIAT side a shot if I ever get together the funds and the desire to replace the Matrix, but short of someone at-fault hitting me I don’t picture that happening :) Though it could be the culture’s just so poisonous, or the labor is, that there will never be a durable Chrysler…

107 Justanotherhuman  Apr 11, 2014 12:31:35pm

Is this a joke?

108 lawhawk  Apr 11, 2014 12:31:47pm

re: #100 klys

Have you made sure that you’re on the do not call list?

donotcall.gov

109 klys  Apr 11, 2014 12:33:51pm

re: #108 lawhawk

Have you made sure that you’re on the do not call list?

donotcall.gov

Yes. Been on it since 2011.

The problem with robocallers is they don’t pay any attention to it, are hard as hell to trace, and enforcement has been unable to keep up with the volume they can sustain.

110 dog philosopher  Apr 11, 2014 12:33:53pm

Technological Civilization Collapses Due To A ‘Pointer To Stack Memory Returned By Subroutine’ Bug

no more facebook, zombie themed tv shows, rocky road ice cream, edible food, modern medicine, or heated homes for anybody on earth until engineers trained in multi-process environments and re-entrant code

111 Justanotherhuman  Apr 11, 2014 12:35:12pm

re: #100 klys

Completely OT, and should not be read as an endorsement, but…

The number of robocalls hitting the home line has hit the 5-6 a day number, and since I work from home, I’m getting really sick of them. Some digging today found nomorobo as one winner of the FTC competition to try and block robocalls. It doesn’t work for every carrier (it needs the ability to ring multiple locations) but it does for ours and at this point, I’m desperate.

Obviously people can come up with all sorts of privacy concerns, etc., but we’re giving it a try.

Ech. Charter doesn’t support them (I have a Charter “landline”).

112 Mike Lamb  Apr 11, 2014 12:35:25pm

re: #104 lawhawk

Most of Nevada is public land (highest percentage in US of any state IIRC).

A map of federal lands (all types).

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The area in question is between the Lake Mead NRA and the Grand Canyon Parashant National Monument.

To further refine my comment above—not only is there no Nevada as currently constituted in the absence of federal licensing of their lands, there sure as shit isn’t a Bundy Ranch.

113 klys  Apr 11, 2014 12:36:27pm

re: #111 Justanotherhuman

Ech. Charter doesn’t support them (I have a Charter “landline”).

Yeah, it’s unfortunate that not all carriers support them. I’m grateful ours does (ours is a VoIP landline) so I’m giving it a shot.

The phone will still ring once for robocalls, but then it will stop. Better than it ringing until I pick up.

114 Randall Gross  Apr 11, 2014 12:36:30pm

re: #109 klys

Yes. Been on it since 2011.

The problem with robocallers is they don’t pay any attention to it, are hard as hell to trace, and enforcement has been unable to keep up with the volume they can sustain.

The current crop uses SIP/VOIP transport to obfuscate and actually originates offshore but spoofs US calling from numbers. There’s not much they can do at the FCC. That credit card “last chance” robo is the most annoying one.

115 klys  Apr 11, 2014 12:37:38pm

re: #114 Randall Gross

The current crop uses SIP/VOIP transport to obfuscate and actually originates offshore but spoofs US calling from numbers. There’s not much they can do at the FCC. That credit card “last chance” robo is the most annoying one.

Like I said, wit’s end here. The other option available to us (which might still happen) is to block all calls except those on a whitelist we specify.

116 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 11, 2014 12:38:04pm

re: #110 dog philosopher

Technological Civilization Collapses Due To A ‘Pointer To Stack Memory Returned By Subroutine’ Bug

no more facebook, zombie themed tv shows, rocky road ice cream, edible food, modern medicine, or heated homes for anybody on earth until engineers trained in multi-process environments and re-entrant code

With runtime bounds checking and automatic garbage collection?

117 kirkspencer  Apr 11, 2014 12:38:43pm

re: #107 Justanotherhuman

Is this a joke?

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Neither that she threw a shoe at Clinton, nor that they arrested her.

Well, I guess the latter, sorta. The throw missed, and Hillary made a few snide comments/jokes about it. But she did throw it and she did get arrested.

118 dog philosopher  Apr 11, 2014 12:41:50pm

re: #116 William Barnett-Lewis

With runtime bounds checking and automatic garbage collection?

The HotSpot Java virtual machine is written in C++

ultimately somebody has to write the garbage collection daemon that automatic transmission ‘managed’ languages use in good old manual transmission C/C++

119 Justanotherhuman  Apr 11, 2014 12:42:47pm

re: #114 Randall Gross

The current crop uses SIP/VOIP transport to obfuscate and actually originates offshore but spoofs US calling from numbers. There’s not much they can do at the FCC. That credit card “last chance” robo is the most annoying one.

There is also one that called me that is a spoof using a VT number. It allegedly is a collection agency (although it doesn’t say what it is) that has “filed charges” and the sheriff and other authorities are coming for me! Even though I’m not the person they say they’re looking for. Got a lot of calls about this guy, and I’ve had this number for 4 yrs.

At any rate, these “debts” would have already passed the statute of limitations in NC which requires that if they’re incurred here, lawsuits must be filed here.

And the entire thing is a scam, to try to scare people into giving up coin.

I even tried calling back twice (to annoy them) and they wouldn’t give me either the name of the “company” or the name of the person calling. But it’s already on record with the Atty General of NC, who I also called. They just can’t trace them and stop it because of the spoofing.

120 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 11, 2014 12:42:49pm

re: #114 Randall Gross

The current crop uses SIP/VOIP transport to obfuscate and actually originates offshore but spoofs US calling from numbers. There’s not much they can do at the FCC. That credit card “last chance” robo is the most annoying one.

I just ignore calls from unidentified numbers. If they leave a message I might listen to it to see if it is something of import. Otherwise I occasionally review the “recent” calls and assign the obvious spam stuff to contact names I have identified as spam and set to not ring, not buzz, etc. if the number calls again. I have similar contacts for Comcast and a few other businesses that are allowed to call me due to me having accounts with them.

121 Justanotherhuman  Apr 11, 2014 12:44:15pm

re: #117 kirkspencer

Neither that she threw a shoe at Clinton, nor that they arrested her.

Well, I guess the latter, sorta. The throw missed, and Hillary made a few snide comments/jokes about it. But she did throw it and she did get arrested.

No, I meant the photo. No name?

122 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 11, 2014 12:44:27pm

Heh

123 calochortus  Apr 11, 2014 12:44:30pm

re: #104 lawhawk

Most of Nevada is public land (highest percentage in US of any state IIRC).

A map of federal lands (all types).

[Embedded content]

The area in question is between the Lake Mead NRA and the Grand Canyon Parashant National Monument.

Yep. Here’s a nice graphic for the country as a whole.

124 Randall Gross  Apr 11, 2014 12:45:43pm

re: #115 klys

Since they rarely change the voice it should be theoretically possible to packet sniff the audio file’s signature at someone’s Session Border Controllers and screen it, but I imagine there are real legal issues with blocking that way.

125 makeitstop  Apr 11, 2014 12:46:50pm

OT: As some of you may already know, I broke my finger last weekend. After a week of wondering what was going to happen, I saw the hand surgeon today.

He told me that my finger should heal on its own, and that I need to wear the splint for another ten days. But after that, I’m free to attempt playing guitar again.

So relieved right now. I was expecting the worst and waiting for him to tell me I’d need surgery. I’m happy he didn’t say that.

126 Randall Gross  Apr 11, 2014 12:48:20pm

re: #119 Justanotherhuman

There is also one that called me that is a spoof using a VT number. It allegedly is a collection agency (although it doesn’t say what it is) that has “filed charges” and the sheriff and other authorities are coming for me! Even though I’m not the person they say they’re looking for. Got a lot of calls about this guy, and I’ve had this number for 4 yrs.

At any rate, these “debts” would have already passed the statute of limitations in NC which requires that if they’re incurred here, lawsuits must be filed here.

And the entire thing is a scam, to try to scare people into giving up coin.

I even tried calling back twice (to annoy them) and they wouldn’t give me either the name of the “company” or the name of the person calling. But it’s already on record with the Atty General of NC, who I also called. They just can’t trace them and stop it because of the spoofing.

There’s another one that Law enforcement agencies warn about where phishers’ say they have your [brother, sister, other relative] hostage after an accident and that you need to pay x amount by credit card for damages or they shoot them. Also you should never call one of these numbers back, it just confirms that they have a live one…

127 klys  Apr 11, 2014 12:48:32pm

re: #125 makeitstop

OT: As some of you may already know, I broke my finger last weekend. After a week of wondering what was going to happen, I saw the hand surgeon today.

He told me that my finger should heal on its own, and that I need to wear the splint for another ten days. But after that, I’m free to attempt playing guitar again.

So relieved right now. I was expecting the worst and waiting for him to tell me I’d need surgery. I’m happy he didn’t say that.

Glad for the excellent news! Many wishes for a speedy recovery.

128 Randall Gross  Apr 11, 2014 12:49:01pm

re: #125 makeitstop

OT: As some of you may already know, I broke my finger last weekend. After a week of wondering what was going to happen, I saw the hand surgeon today.

He told me that my finger should heal on its own, and that I need to wear the splint for another ten days. But after that, I’m free to attempt playing guitar again.

So relieved right now. I was expecting the worst and waiting for him to tell me I’d need surgery. I’m happy he didn’t say that.

Good news!

129 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 11, 2014 12:50:06pm

re: #123 calochortus

Yep. Here’s a nice graphic for the country as a whole.

Comment section on that link is the typical loon stuff as well.

130 Justanotherhuman  Apr 11, 2014 12:50:26pm

re: #123 calochortus

Yep. Here’s a nice graphic for the country as a whole.

We have 4 National forests in NC, 11% of the State: Nantahala, Pisgah, Uwharrie, Croatan. The only one I haven’t visited is Croatan, on the coast.

I hope they stay the way they are—wonderful.

131 wrenchwench  Apr 11, 2014 12:50:55pm

re: #125 makeitstop

OT: As some of you may already know, I broke my finger last weekend. After a week of wondering what was going to happen, I saw the hand surgeon today.

He told me that my finger should heal on its own, and that I need to wear the splint for another ten days. But after that, I’m free to attempt playing guitar again.

So relieved right now. I was expecting the worst and waiting for him to tell me I’d need surgery. I’m happy he didn’t say that.

Yay!

Left hand or right?

132 Justanotherhuman  Apr 11, 2014 12:51:52pm

re: #126 Randall Gross

There’s another one that Law enforcement agencies warn about where phishers’ say they have your [brother, sister, other relative] hostage after an accident and that you need to pay x amount by credit card for damages or they shoot them. Also you should never call one of these numbers back, it just confirms that they have a live one…

They know I’m not a live one—I don’t mind cursing them roundly, threatening to sue, and reporting them to the NC Atty General—which I do all 3. I haven’t heard back from them, BTW.

133 Randall Gross  Apr 11, 2014 12:51:59pm

One more thing here’s a page with links on how to block for wireless carriers:

wikihow.com

134 Randall Gross  Apr 11, 2014 12:52:45pm

re: #132 Justanotherhuman

By live one I meant “working phone number”.

135 lawhawk  Apr 11, 2014 12:54:10pm

re: #123 calochortus

That’s only for federal land ownership, when you include state government-owned lands, the percentages are even higher.

It would actually push government land ownership (all levels) to 81% for a state like Nevada and 89% for Alaska.

For New York, federal government owned land accounts for .26% of the state landmass, but NYS owns Adirondack Park and Catskill preserves, which boost government control to nearly 37%. Those figures exclude military and tribal lands too.

136 lawhawk  Apr 11, 2014 12:54:44pm

re: #131 wrenchwench

Slow hand. /

137 makeitstop  Apr 11, 2014 12:55:56pm

re: #127 klys

re: #128 Randall Gross

Thank you both!

138 makeitstop  Apr 11, 2014 12:56:31pm

re: #131 wrenchwench

Yay!

Left hand or right?

Left hand, index finger. Fretting finger, which is why I was…fretting.

139 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 11, 2014 12:57:27pm

And that low percentages of Federal ownership are in the East is no surprise since the 13 colonies are older than the Federal government and had control/ownership of much of their territory beforehand. Odds are that the US ownership in those places are properties sold/ceded primarily for military forts, bases, etc.

140 Justanotherhuman  Apr 11, 2014 12:57:46pm

One thing I have wondered about, though, having a phone that works through the internet.

When my son had AT&T (the old fashioned landline) at his house, we could get call blocking on those pesky BS robocalls and they would stop completely.

Now that I have this kind of phone service, which only works when the internet is working, I get a lot of calls like the one I describe. I can imagine there are software programs that allow them to pick up names and match them with “live” numbers, even if they no longer are a real match?

141 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 11, 2014 12:58:44pm

re: #84 Chrysicat

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142 klys  Apr 11, 2014 1:00:35pm

re: #139 Feline Fearless Leader

And that low percentages of Federal ownership are in the East is no surprise since the 13 colonies are older than the Federal government and had control/ownership of much of their territory beforehand. Odds are that the US ownership in those places are properties sold/ceded primarily for military forts, bases, etc.

I’m curious to what effect the lack of a unified government really played in the distribution of land for the early states. By the time the west really started to come into play, it was clear that the land was in the purview of the government and you could earn yours by homesteading or whatever. But when the early settlers came over from Europe, it was more with land grants (to the big wigs) that were parceled out, I think? This is an area I’m really not familiar with.

143 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 11, 2014 1:02:44pm

re: #140 Justanotherhuman

One thing I have wondered about, though, having a phone that works through the internet.

When my son had AT&T (the old fashioned landline) at his house, we could get call blocking on those pesky BS robocalls and they would stop completely.

Now that I have this kind of phone service, which only works when the internet is working, I get a lot of calls like the one I describe. I can imagine there are software programs that allow them to pick up names and match them with “live” numbers, even if they no longer are a real match?

What phone service are you using?

144 Aqua Obama  Apr 11, 2014 1:04:41pm

Condoleezza Rice Joins Dropbox’s Board As It Names New CFO, COO

Cool, an architect of wireless wiretapping in charge of a cloud service.

145 kirkspencer  Apr 11, 2014 1:05:07pm

re: #121 Justanotherhuman

No, I meant the photo. No name?

Ah. No, not a joke. Alison Ernst.

146 Justanotherhuman  Apr 11, 2014 1:05:29pm

I don’t think I’ve ever known anyone who uses that stuff. And the first and only time I ever heard of Amway was in 1960, when I moved to CA where it seemed like everyone was buying it. I’m always able to pass on that kind of stuff, though since I’m always able to find better deals elsewhere.

Herbalife stock sheds 10% after FT reports FBI launches criminal probe

cnbc.com

“The US Department of Justice and the FBI are investigating Herbalife, the multi-level marketing company that hedge fund manager Bill Ackman has alleged is a pyramid scheme, according to people familiar with the matter.

“The criminal investigation by the FBI and US attorney’s office in Manhattan raises the stakes for Herbalife, which is already facing civil inquiries from multiple government agencies that are looking into the Los Angeles-based company and its associated network of independent distributors.

(snip)

“Herbalife sells nutritional shakes and supplements through millions of distributors in more than 80 countries. As part of its campaign to have Herbalife closed down and drive its share price to zero, Mr Ackman’s hedge fund, Pershing Square, has published a series of dossiers on senior distributors who it alleges have helped perpetrate the pyramid fraud.” More

147 Randall Gross  Apr 11, 2014 1:05:29pm

re: #135 lawhawk

That’s only for federal land ownership, when you include state government-owned lands, the percentages are even higher.

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It would actually push government land ownership (all levels) to 81% for a state like Nevada and 89% for Alaska.

For New York, federal government owned land accounts for .26% of the state landmass, but NYS owns Adirondack Park and Catskill preserves, which boost government control to nearly 37%. Those figures exclude military and tribal lands too.

Alaska also has huge tracts of land owned by Native Corporations, which are the defacto government agencies for Indians and Inuits up there.

148 GunstarGreen  Apr 11, 2014 1:05:32pm

re: #115 klys

Like I said, wit’s end here. The other option available to us (which might still happen) is to block all calls except those on a whitelist we specify.

This is the correct response to pretty much all of the world’s spam ills.

Nobody has any business attempting to contact me by phone or email unless I have specifically authorized them to.

149 Lidane  Apr 11, 2014 1:06:49pm

I’m not familiar with his music, but maybe some folks around here are:

150 Justanotherhuman  Apr 11, 2014 1:07:35pm

re: #143 NJDhockeyfan

What phone service are you using?

Charter, which uses some phone company in SC, from what I’ve seen. They inadvertently sent me a bill when I first signed up for Charter here 4 yrs ago. The bill is actually paid to Charter which takes its cut and passes the rest on the the provider, I suppose.

151 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 11, 2014 1:08:06pm

re: #142 klys

I’m curious to what effect the lack of a unified government really played in the distribution of land for the early states. By the time the west really started to come into play, it was clear that the land was in the purview of the government and you could earn yours by homesteading or whatever. But when the early settlers came over from Europe, it was more with land grants (to the big wigs) that were parceled out, I think? This is an area I’m really not familiar with.

A mix actually. One of the incentives for Continental service during the Revolution was some promise of getting land afterwards. Sections of what are currently northeastern Ohio were earmarked for this and referred to by related names. Plus the colonies traded western land claims to the federal government in exchange for forgiveness of debt.

en.wikipedia.org

Note that the initial colony charters often contradicted the land claims of other colonies.

152 Randall Gross  Apr 11, 2014 1:08:27pm

re: #148 GunstarGreen

This is the correct response to pretty much all of the world’s spam ills.

Nobody has any business attempting to contact me by phone or email unless I have specifically authorized them to.

If you have friends and relatives you can’t really do this. You don’t want to block calls from the hospital about any of your relatives for instance.

153 GunstarGreen  Apr 11, 2014 1:08:54pm

re: #144 Aqua Obama

Condoleezza Rice Joins Dropbox’s Board As It Names New CFO, COO

Cool, an architect of wireless wiretapping in charge of a cloud service.

Cool, cloud services in general.

I love how we’ve come up with the polite euphemism “DA CLOWD!” to replace the much more accurate and much less inherently-trusted “Putting Your Shit On Other Peoples’ Servers”.

154 Justanotherhuman  Apr 11, 2014 1:09:06pm

re: #149 Lidane

I’m not familiar with his music, but maybe some folks around here are:

[Embedded content]

Mmm. I got this message when I clicked on the story:

“This page on the domain ultimateclassicrock.com contains active threats and is not recommended for browsing. The access to this website has been blocked for your protection. Learn more.”

155 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 11, 2014 1:09:59pm

re: #154 Justanotherhuman

Mmm. I got this message when I clicked on the story:

“This page on the domain ultimateclassicrock.com contains active threats and is not recommended for browsing. The access to this website has been blocked for your protection. Learn more.”

If you click “learn more” does it link you to the main site for Federal Service?
;)

156 klys  Apr 11, 2014 1:09:59pm

re: #152 Randall Gross

If you have friends and relatives you can’t really do this. You don’t want to block calls from the hospital about any of your relatives for instance.

Pretty much, this. Cell phones make it more possible to pull the trigger on the whitelist option but I’m still hesitant to do so in the case of family emergencies, where I cannot anticipate all possible numbers that might call the house.

157 Lidane  Apr 11, 2014 1:10:50pm

re: #154 Justanotherhuman

Huh. Weird. It worked fine for me. Try this NPR link instead:

158 Bulworth  Apr 11, 2014 1:11:43pm
Man I haven’t studied HEARTBLEED enough but….

“I don’t know anything about this Heartbleed thing but it’s Obama’s fault because of illegal Obamacare and to distract from Benghazi!”

/

159 Justanotherhuman  Apr 11, 2014 1:13:02pm

re: #155 Feline Fearless Leader

If you click “learn more” does it link you to the main site for Federal Service?
;)

Haha, I scooted out of there quickly, so went back and got this msg to “learn more”.

30-day safety report for: ultimateclassicrock.com
Currently Safe
No active malware was reported recently by users anywhere on this website. (updated Apr 11, 2014 GMT)

Evidently, there have been problems in the past.

160 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 11, 2014 1:13:45pm

re: #150 Justanotherhuman

Charter, which uses some phone company in SC, from what I’ve seen. They inadvertently sent me a bill when I first signed up for Charter here 4 yrs ago. The bill is actually paid to Charter which takes its cut and passes the rest on the the provider, I suppose.

I’m not familiar with Charter. I know the old style phone companies and cable companies like Comcast and Verizon offer phone service with all the bells and whistles and are through their secure network. Phone services running through the internet like Vontage or Magicjack are not secure. Someone can hack your phone calls and listen. If you are ordering something with a credit card you just handed your number to someone else. Be aware.

161 Randall Gross  Apr 11, 2014 1:14:01pm

re: #157 Lidane

Huh. Weird. It worked fine for me. Try this NPR link instead:

[Embedded content]

He got a pardon from Carter along with all others for dodging the draft in Canada during the Viet Nam war.

162 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 11, 2014 1:14:35pm

Continuing on eastern colony development -

And there were also purchases by developers of “western” lands from the states. They also had to deal with getting land rights from the natives as well.

en.wikipedia.org

The above link is about the history, purchases, and development that led to the settlement of much of western New York state; Finger Lakes, Genesee River Valley, etc.

163 calochortus  Apr 11, 2014 1:18:47pm

So apparently Bundy is claiming that federal lands somehow passed to the ownership of the state of Nevada upon statehood.
Further, because his use of the federally owned land predates the creation of the BLM, he doesn’t feel he is subject to its regulations.

“My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed,” Bundy told the station…

…”The federal government has seized Nevada’s sovereignty … they have seized Nevada’s laws and our public land. We have no access to our public land and that is only a little bit of it,” he said.

An interesting legal theory, but one the courts haven’t accepted. Ever.
“I’ve been driving this car since before the speed limit was lowered here. Therefore, I’m not subject to the current speed limit.”

164 Bulworth  Apr 11, 2014 1:20:24pm
So apparently Bundy is claiming that federal lands somehow passed to the ownership of the state of Nevada upon statehood.

Great. He’s a regular run of the mill kook.

165 Randall Gross  Apr 11, 2014 1:20:45pm

re: #135 lawhawk

Just noticed that I missed the “Tribal lands” part — I would guess that it’s less than 5 percent of Alaska land in private hands once you exclude the tribal lands.

166 Testy Toad T  Apr 11, 2014 1:20:52pm

You can’t pass down rights in a fucking will.

167 kirkspencer  Apr 11, 2014 1:21:48pm

re: #163 calochortus

So apparently Bundy is claiming that federal lands somehow passed to the ownership of the state of Nevada upon statehood.
Further, because his use of the federally owned land predates the creation of the BLM, he doesn’t feel he is subject to its regulations.

An interesting legal theory, but one the courts haven’t accepted. Ever.
“I’ve been driving this car since before the speed limit was lowered here. Therefore, I’m not subject to the current speed limit.”

It is, however, the heart of the ‘sovereign citizen’ argument. For [this reason] my rights/desires supersede the laws of the federal (and often state or local) government.

168 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 11, 2014 1:26:34pm

re: #163 calochortus

So apparently Bundy is claiming that federal lands somehow passed to the ownership of the state of Nevada upon statehood.
Further, because his use of the federally owned land predates the creation of the BLM, he doesn’t feel he is subject to its regulations.

An interesting legal theory, but one the courts haven’t accepted. Ever.
“I’ve been driving this car since before the speed limit was lowered here. Therefore, I’m not subject to the current speed limit.”

And total BS. Permits were established under the Taylor Grazing Act in 1934. BLM came into existence in 1946 due to multiple bureaus being merged. Bundy paid fees up to 1993 and then stopped. So he is just dipping into the squatter’s rights and sovereign citizen pools for justification after the fact.

169 Justanotherhuman  Apr 11, 2014 1:26:49pm

re: #160 NJDhockeyfan

I’m not familiar with Charter. I know the old style phone companies and cable companies like Comcast and Verizon offer phone service with all the bells and whistles and are through their secure network. Phone services running through the internet like Vontage or Magicjack are not secure. Someone can hack your phone calls and listen. If you are ordering something with a credit card you just handed your number to someone else. Be aware.

Charter is a cable co. This isn’t Vonage or MagicJack, but it’s not a dedicated phone line to my apt, either, like the old AT&T lines. It doesn’t work unless my internet service from Charter is working.

170 calochortus  Apr 11, 2014 1:27:17pm

re: #167 kirkspencer

It is, however, the heart of the ‘sovereign citizen’ argument. For [this reason] my rights/desires supersede the laws of the federal (and often state or local) government.

Yep. In this case he’s decided that the state is the ultimate authority. Doesn’t make it so.
But, allegedly, militia members, Oathkeepers and the like are converging on the property to support him. I wonder how many will actually show up.

171 calochortus  Apr 11, 2014 1:28:54pm

re: #168 Feline Fearless Leader

And total BS. Permits were established under the Taylor Grazing Act in 1934. BLM came into existence in 1946 due to multiple bureaus being merged. Bundy paid fees up to 1993 and then stopped. So he is just dipping into the squatter’s rights and sovereignty pools for justification after the fact.

I believe the triggering event was that the number of cattle he was allowed to run on that allotment was significantly reduced in 1993. He went to court and lost, and went to court again and lost. Etc.

172 calochortus  Apr 11, 2014 1:33:46pm

And having brought this thread to a near-death experience, I’ll go do something constructive.

BBL

173 jaunte  Apr 11, 2014 1:36:24pm

re: #149 Lidane

I’m not familiar with his music, but maybe some folks around here are:

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174 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2014 1:36:37pm

re: #163 calochortus

So apparently Bundy is claiming that federal lands somehow passed to the ownership of the state of Nevada upon statehood.
Further, because his use of the federally owned land predates the creation of the BLM, he doesn’t feel he is subject to its regulations.

An interesting legal theory, but one the courts haven’t accepted. Ever.
“I’ve been driving this car since before the speed limit was lowered here. Therefore, I’m not subject to the current speed limit.”

heh, there are people where I live who use that argument when it comes to stop signs.

175 Justanotherhuman  Apr 11, 2014 1:38:23pm

Thank goodness I don’t live in Gaston County.

OTOH, there was a toe-sucker arrest at the local WallyWorld in this county last month.

deathandtaxesmag.com

176 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2014 1:39:20pm

Also, I put a comment over at the dedicated LGF Bundy thread from my own perspective as a farmer.

177 Romantic Heretic  Apr 11, 2014 1:39:28pm

re: #47 klys

Most of the folks bitching online? Sure, that might be true.

Some of the sovereign citizens who’ve gone to NV to make a stand?

I sincerely hope that this entire thing ends without bloodshed, but I have less optimism there.

I suspect most of them there hope to be the next Crispus Attucks.

They might not be so eager if they knew Attucks was black though.

178 Randall Gross  Apr 11, 2014 1:43:49pm

re: #167 kirkspencer

It is, however, the heart of the ‘sovereign citizen’ argument. For [this reason] my rights/desires supersede the laws of the federal (and often state or local) government.

There’s long precedent of loons pulling this crap to become wingnut folk heroes - when I was young up in Alaska it was Joe Vogler in the standoff with BLM.

179 theheat  Apr 11, 2014 1:55:18pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is a still from a video taken by News3 of Nevada of the devastation caused by Bundy’s overgrazing.

Bundy’s awesome stewardsmanship aka overgrazing.

He’s an irresponsible freeloading dick, turning public land into a lunar landscape at the expense of everyone, and everything, including other ranchers.

180 EPR-radar  Apr 11, 2014 1:57:24pm

re: #179 theheat

Moar blessings of AynRand/ProsperityGospel Jayzus!

181 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2014 1:57:46pm

re: #179 theheat

This is a still from a video taken by News3 of Nevada of the devastation caused by Bundy’s overgrazing.

Bundy’s awesome stewardsmanship aka overgrazing.

He’s an irresponsible freeloading dick, turning public land into a lunar landscape at the expense of everyone, and everything, including other ranchers.

exactly! And please cross post that over at the militia thread.

182 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 11, 2014 2:36:46pm

re: #169 Justanotherhuman

Charter is a cable co. This isn’t Vonage or MagicJack, but it’s not a dedicated phone line to my apt, either, like the old AT&T lines. It doesn’t work unless my internet service from Charter is working.

Comcast and Verizon don’t require Internet to work. Charter sounds more like a Vontage system.

183 klys  Apr 11, 2014 2:53:08pm

re: #182 NJDhockeyfan

Comcast and Verizon don’t require Internet to work. Charter sounds more like a Vontage system.

For the record, “traditional” phone lines can also be easily tapped at the box where they enter the house. Better not say your credit card over those either.

184 majii  Apr 11, 2014 8:45:01pm

Greenwald, is imo, just another lying, hypocritical, conspiracy-peddling, divisive, paranoid, money-grubbing, attention-seeking tool.


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