TOKYO REVERSE : a night of Slow TV on France 4 (FRENCH TV)
Written and directed by : SÅNDL : Simon Bouisson et Ludovic Zuili
WATCH THE TRAILER ? http://ow.ly/vD146
LIKE SÅNDL ? http://ow.ly/vq48L DISCOVER SÅNDL ? www.sandl.fr
Original soundtrack director : Francesco Tristano
Produced by : Grégoire Olivereau
A coproduction : France Télévisions and EDEN
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jaunte Apr 11, 2014 7:32:22pm |
Photos: A look at baseball from angles you've never seen http://t.co/G5nUQ41weu
— The New York Times (@nytimes) April 12, 2014
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Apr 11, 2014 7:33:18pm |
Question:
If one were to want to move away from Dropbox because Condi Rice has joined their BOD, what is the best option for a similar service (free)?
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kirkspencer Apr 11, 2014 7:34:11pm |
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The Awkward Guy Apr 11, 2014 7:34:14pm |
Welp, I’ve lost him. Feels like I was stabbed right in the heart.
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Charles Johnson Apr 11, 2014 7:35:33pm |
Stonehenge Theories with Nigel Tufnel of Spinal Tap
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Randall Gross Apr 11, 2014 7:36:36pm |
and Shore Leave
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klys Apr 11, 2014 7:36:48pm |
re: #5 The Awkward Guy
Welp, I’ve lost him. Feels like I was stabbed right in the heart.
It sucks when you find out that someone you thought you knew …isn’t that person.
Take some space, take a breather, and consider whether you could have a friendship on different terms without politics being involved. It won’t be the same, but …just a thought for a night that’s not tonight.
{{TAG}}
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thedopefishlives Apr 11, 2014 7:37:07pm |
re: #5 The Awkward Guy
Welp, I’ve lost him. Feels like I was stabbed right in the heart.
I know I made light of it upstairs, but I truly am sorry to hear this. It sucks when someone you know and love well turns out to be such a maroon.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Apr 11, 2014 7:37:48pm |
For those who can’t be arsed to vote in the mid-terms.
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klys Apr 11, 2014 7:37:55pm |
I should really go prep potatoes for dinner instead of processing photos from two years ago.
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The Awkward Guy Apr 11, 2014 7:38:38pm |
re: #8 klys
Not gonna happen. He’s blocked all commuication with me.
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thedopefishlives Apr 11, 2014 7:39:08pm |
re: #12 The Awkward Guy
Not gonna happen. He’s blocked all commuication with me.
Wow. Um. That good, huh?
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klys Apr 11, 2014 7:39:36pm |
re: #12 The Awkward Guy
Not gonna happen. He’s blocked all commuication with me.
That really sucks, and I’m sorry.
Take a breather, take care of yourself, and consider that his actions say a lot more about him than about you.
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FemNaziBitch Apr 11, 2014 7:40:04pm |
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FemNaziBitch Apr 11, 2014 7:44:07pm |
RAPID RESPONSE: @DarrellIssa Blocks Request To Release #IRS Interview Transcripts http://t.co/YUD1TWe6HQ pic.twitter.com/GK1KLPvCZK— House OversightDems (@OversightDems) April 10, 2014
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Feline Fearless Leader Apr 11, 2014 7:48:13pm |
re: #11 klys
I should really go prep potatoes for dinner instead of processing photos from two years ago.
Are they really bad? Or are they just eroded that way?
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FemNaziBitch Apr 11, 2014 7:48:17pm |
MotherJones (Nov): States Making It Harder for Women to Vote http://t.co/6prrJIcuWI pic.twitter.com/PGLmj0soOM #VRA #inners— Auriandra (@Auriandra) April 12, 2014
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thedopefishlives Apr 11, 2014 7:49:34pm |
re: #19 FemNaziBitch
Wow. I had no idea there were so many.
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FemNaziBitch Apr 11, 2014 7:49:34pm |
Nerd humor pic.twitter.com/DSlrSGaZ3d— RC deWinter (@RCdeWinter) April 12, 2014
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klys Apr 11, 2014 7:49:46pm |
re: #18 Feline Fearless Leader
Are they really bad? Or are they just eroded that way?
Have you been? You will totally appreciate them.
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Feline Fearless Leader Apr 11, 2014 7:52:40pm |
re: #22 klys
Have you been? You will totally appreciate them.
Saw them about 40 years ago. No opportunity to go back since then. Same trip included visits to Yellowstone*, Grand Tetons, Banff, Glacier, plus seeing Devil’s Tower.
:)
* - Yellowstone included seeing Old Faithful and Riverside erupting.
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kirkspencer Apr 11, 2014 7:52:58pm |
re: #16 FemNaziBitch
And this after the hatchet job letter he wrote to Cummings.
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Romantic Heretic Apr 11, 2014 7:57:35pm |
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klys Apr 11, 2014 7:59:58pm |
re: #23 Feline Fearless Leader
Saw them about 40 years ago. No opportunity to go back since then. Same trip included visits to Yellowstone*, Grand Tetons, Banff, Glacier, plus seeing Devil’s Tower.
:)
* - Yellowstone included seeing Old Faithful and Riverside erupting.
I am pushing for another Yellowstone trip this year.
Not terribly hard, but if it doesn’t happen in the next two years I will be sad.
I really want to see Fan and Mortar go.
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klys Apr 11, 2014 8:01:40pm |
re: #23 Feline Fearless Leader
Saw them about 40 years ago. No opportunity to go back since then. Same trip included visits to Yellowstone*, Grand Tetons, Banff, Glacier, plus seeing Devil’s Tower.
:)
* - Yellowstone included seeing Old Faithful and Riverside erupting.
None of my Devil’s Tower pictures are on the good camera.
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FemNaziBitch Apr 11, 2014 8:04:48pm |
Gus 807?
WTF? Some people have a lot of time on their hands.
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FemNaziBitch Apr 11, 2014 8:05:48pm |
re: #24 kirkspencer
And this after the hatchet job letter he wrote to Cummings.
I’m kinda glad I’m trying to avoid the news this week. I just have a little time to peruse the headlines.
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thedopefishlives Apr 11, 2014 8:06:35pm |
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Apr 11, 2014 8:06:51pm |
re: #22 klys
Have you been? You will totally appreciate them.
That induces some severe nostalgia, driving west on I-40 from Amarillo to Albuquerque.
I would really like to be able to spend a couple of years road-tripping the entire west Texas / New Mexico / east Arizona region.
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Lidane Apr 11, 2014 8:08:36pm |
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thedopefishlives Apr 11, 2014 8:10:18pm |
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lawhawk Apr 11, 2014 8:13:02pm |
re: #11 klys
Badlands, E Street Band style:
Black Hills are the best. Driving through them with Springsteen on the radio? Priceless.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Apr 11, 2014 8:13:19pm |
re: #35 thedopefishlives
Oh, Lord. There are no words.
There are lots of words. New ones are invented from time to time.
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jaunte Apr 11, 2014 8:15:47pm |
Bundy Ranch… RWers stay latching on to some bullshit.
— V. Hussein Savage (@Kennymack1971) April 12, 2014
It’s like touring the Bedlam Hospital.
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Targetpractice Apr 11, 2014 8:16:39pm |
re: #38 jaunte
[Embedded content]
It’s like touring the Bedlam Hospital.
Looking like another Waco or Ruby Ridge in the making.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Apr 11, 2014 8:17:10pm |
re: #4 kirkspencer
Thanks. I will check that one out. I really don’t like Dropbox’s response, linked in the last thread.
I have never been a paying member of DB, but I was up against their limit and might have considered subscribing, but not with that loathsome Bush apparatchik on the board.
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klys Apr 11, 2014 8:17:58pm |
re: #32 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
That induces some severe nostalgia, driving west on I-40 from Amarillo to Albuquerque.
I would really like to be able to spend a couple of years road-tripping the entire west Texas / New Mexico / east Arizona region.
If you go through that way again, I cannot say enough fantastic things about La Posada Hotel in Winslow.
I’m hoping we’ll make it back there again.
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Targetpractice Apr 11, 2014 8:21:54pm |
re: #41 jaunte
Low-information rioters.
Pretty much. Though all the talk about “armed resistance” by the usual dipshits is making me nervous.
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jaunte Apr 11, 2014 8:23:50pm |
re: #43 Targetpractice
I would bet the people who actually go to the Bundy ranch in an effort to support them will forget to bring enough food.
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Targetpractice Apr 11, 2014 8:26:39pm |
re: #44 jaunte
I would bet the people who actually go to the Bundy ranch in an effort to support them will forget to bring enough food.
It’s the irony of the situation, dozens of “helpers” going to squat on the family’s land to protect his “right” to squat on federal land.
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RealityBasedSteve Apr 11, 2014 8:31:58pm |
I’m busy watching 13 Assassins, and thinking hard about going to the golf range tomorrow, start working on my game.
RBS
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klys Apr 11, 2014 8:38:07pm |
Potatoes maybe should have roasted a little longer but otherwise dinner is in the success category. Hooray!
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William Barnett-Lewis Apr 11, 2014 8:50:00pm |
re: #48 klys
Potatoes maybe should have roasted a little longer but otherwise dinner is in the success category. Hooray!
Cut, tossed in rosemary, oven fried in olive oil @ 425 for an hour stirring every 20 min?
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RealityBasedSteve Apr 11, 2014 8:56:16pm |
re: #49 William Barnett-Lewis
Cut, tossed in rosemary, oven fried in olive oil @ 425 for an hour stirring every 20 min?
I do about the same thing, but I cut ‘em, nuke ‘em, then finish them off on the stove top. Timing becomes almost a non-issue that way for me.
But anyway you do it, ‘taters with Olive Oil and Rosemary (and maybe a little Thyme) are a treat.
RBS
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klys Apr 11, 2014 8:57:04pm |
re: #49 William Barnett-Lewis
Cut, tossed in rosemary, oven fried in olive oil @ 425 for an hour stirring every 20 min?
It was definitely not in the oven for an hour.
Like I said, could have used a little more time. :)
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Targetpractice Apr 11, 2014 8:58:16pm |
re: #49 William Barnett-Lewis
Cut, tossed in rosemary, oven fried in olive oil @ 425 for an hour stirring every 20 min?
Rosemary’s good, but so is a bit of garlic.
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klys Apr 11, 2014 8:59:52pm |
re: #52 Targetpractice
Rosemary’s good, but so is a bit of garlic.
There was garlic.
And rosemary.
And thyme.
And a few other things.
…I don’t really do subtle in cooking.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Apr 11, 2014 9:00:01pm |
Well, I just moved files from Dropbox to box.net. Also an opportunity to clean/delete a lot of stuff I haven’t any use for any longer. Goodbye Dropbox, Goodbye Condi Rice.
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Targetpractice Apr 11, 2014 9:09:07pm |
re: #53 klys
There was garlic.
And rosemary.
And thyme.
And a few other things.
…I don’t really do subtle in cooking.
Parsley and sage to go with the rosemary and thyme?
//
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RealityBasedSteve Apr 11, 2014 9:14:24pm |
re: #56 klys
Bleck, parsley.
//
it’s better than Cilantro, which has inflicted its taste on so many innocent meals that people should have to get a “Cilantro Use License” after they prove that it will only be used responsibly and in restraint.
RBS
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klys Apr 11, 2014 9:14:53pm |
re: #57 RealityBasedSteve
it’s better than Cilantro, which has inflicted its taste on so many innocent meals that people should have to get a “Cilantro Use License” after they prove that it will only be used responsibly and in restraint.
RBS
I like cilantro better than parsley.
It still didn’t make it into the potatoes.
Neither did parsley.
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klys Apr 11, 2014 9:16:14pm |
That being said, there is a fresh bunch of cilantro sitting on the counter.
To go in the Mexican bean salad I will make as soon as I’m done poking around at old photos.
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kirkspencer Apr 11, 2014 9:17:40pm |
re: #57 RealityBasedSteve
it’s better than Cilantro, which has inflicted its taste on so many innocent meals that people should have to get a “Cilantro Use License” after they prove that it will only be used responsibly and in restraint.
RBS
heh. Cilantro is my wife’s favorite spice. As in every so often I have to make a batch of cilantro soup for her.
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jaunte Apr 11, 2014 9:17:55pm |
re: #59 klys
That looks nearly one mile across, 2.4 miles in circumference and more than 550 feet deep
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klys Apr 11, 2014 9:18:19pm |
re: #61 jaunte
That looks nearly one mile across, 2.4 miles in circumference and more than 550 feet deep
You get the bonus points!
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Targetpractice Apr 11, 2014 9:20:09pm |
re: #59 klys
That being said, there is a fresh bunch of cilantro sitting on the counter.
To go in the Mexican bean salad I will make as soon as I’m done poking around at old photos.
Was there a hammer buried in a rock at the epicenter that nobody could pull out?
//
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RealityBasedSteve Apr 11, 2014 9:21:30pm |
re: #60 kirkspencer
heh. Cilantro is my wife’s favorite spice. As in every so often I have to make a batch of cilantro soup for her.
about the only thing I use cilantro in is when I make Chile Verde with Pork. Even then It’s only part of a small bunch.
On the other hand I do like Coriander, and it’s the same plant. I’ve never cooked with Coriander root, but I’ve seen it at some international markets. I wonder if there are any other plants where we use the leaves, the seeds, and the roots? I can’t think of any off-hand.
RBS
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William Barnett-Lewis Apr 11, 2014 9:22:20pm |
re: #59 klys
That being said, there is a fresh bunch of cilantro sitting on the counter.
To go in the Mexican bean salad I will make as soon as I’m done poking around at old photos.
It’s always useful, if you can, to frame a shot like that with something man made somewhere in it to give a sense of scale to things. Once done, it is hard. I can get a feel based on what those kinds of geological layers are often like and from knowledge of the few craters out west :) but that doesn’t help you now, alas. Perhaps try to make the trees more noticeable with the a tweak of your curves or channels?
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klys Apr 11, 2014 9:24:30pm |
re: #68 jaunte
Well, a sculpture of him.
Well, apparently it is an Amida Buddha which this article insists is not Siddharthha Guatama.
But it is in Kamakura, Japan, and was once housed in a great hall which was swept away in a tsunami hundreds of years ago. (And, for the record, the ocean was not really visible from there, although part of that was mountain and city.)
You can go inside it! That was cool.
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klys Apr 11, 2014 9:26:36pm |
re: #67 William Barnett-Lewis
That site is a tricky one. I have a panorama which shows a few rocks to the side, but your access is limited (and they were under construction to boot) so…
The shot was at 18mm, which is the widest my lens can go. I’d love an ultra-wide, but it hasn’t been in the cards yet.
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Kragar Apr 11, 2014 9:26:36pm |
Me: “Did you guys eat all the Salami?”
Oldest girl: “Its in the fridge!”
Youngest girl: “CATFIGHT! MEOW! HISSS!”
Me: “Do you even know what that means?”
Youngest girl: “Not a clue.”
Me: “Its when two girls fight.”
Youngest girl: “Well, now I know, and thats half the battle. WINNER!”
She’s 10.
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jaunte Apr 11, 2014 9:27:00pm |
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klys Apr 11, 2014 9:28:06pm |
re: #72 jaunte
Interesting, I didn’t know that.
I vouch for nothing on the authenticity of the article. I offer it as is, because that’s what turned up when I searched Siddhartha Guatama and Kamakura.
(Because I needed to look it up. I know it as the Daibutsu of Kamakura.)
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RealityBasedSteve Apr 11, 2014 9:28:40pm |
re: #71 Kragar
Me: “Did you guys eat all the Salami?”
Oldest girl: “Its in the fridge!”
Youngest girl: “CATFIGHT! MEOW! HISSS!”
Me: “Do you even know what that means?”
Youngest girl: “Not a clue.”
Me: “Its when two girls fight.”
Youngest girl: “Well, now I know, and thats half the battle. WINNER!”
She’s 10.
You sir, have been, as they say, been pwned.
ROFL.
RBS
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William Barnett-Lewis Apr 11, 2014 9:30:42pm |
re: #73 klys
I vouch for nothing on the authenticity of the article. I offer it as is, because that’s what turned up when I searched Siddhartha Guatama and Kamakura.
(Because I needed to look it up. I know it as the Daibutsu of Kamakura.)
Try it in monochrome. It might work better as a black and white image. (Of course, I’d think so because I like that type of landscape shooting :whistles:)
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klys Apr 11, 2014 9:31:10pm |
re: #76 William Barnett-Lewis
Try it in monochrome. It might work better as a black and white image. (Of course, I’d think so because I like that type of landscape shooting :whistles:)
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Kragar Apr 11, 2014 9:31:27pm |
re: #75 klys
For Kragar, who has a shot at knowing this one:
Well, Japan, but its been about 20 years since I’ve been there.
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klys Apr 11, 2014 9:32:15pm |
re: #78 Kragar
Well, Japan, but its been about 20 years since I’ve been there.
Pretty sure that street hasn’t changed much in 20 years. :) But that’s Takayama’s historical section. Don’t know if you made it up there while you were in Japan (although it’s reasonably close to Tokyo).
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Apr 11, 2014 9:34:26pm |
re: #70 klys
I’m jelly of your 18mm. I have a prime 50mm 1.8, but digital makes it more like an 80/85mm, when what I’d really like is a damn 50mm!
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klys Apr 11, 2014 9:36:02pm |
re: #80 Rev_Arthur_Belling
I’m jelly of your 18mm. I have a prime 50mm 1.8, but digital makes it more like an 80/85mm, when what I’d really like is a damn 50mm!
This is 18mm before the digital conversion, I think. But. I travel with an 18-135mm on the camera pretty much full-time, and have been reasonably happy with it.
Primes have their advantages (I won’t deny!) but not having to switch for zooming in the rain also has pluses.
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William Barnett-Lewis Apr 11, 2014 9:36:30pm |
re: #76 William Barnett-Lewis
Try it in monochrome. It might work better as a black and white image. (Of course, I’d think so because I like that type of landscape shooting :whistles:)
Hmm. I was actually referring to the meteor crater shot but must have clicked reply wrong. The idea was that it would make the trees stand out more so that the scale would be easier to understand.
That said, the Buddha is a good one in B&W.
And with that, I must toddle off to bed.
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Targetpractice Apr 11, 2014 9:37:06pm |
I’ve noticed two things of late: One, I’m learning about all the latest wingnut outrages days after they’ve transpired, and Two, irony is apparently dead. I’ve just now had a wingnut tell me that the Bundy v. BLM business is entirely about wanting to seize his land to lease to oil companies for fracking. We’re through the looking glass here, folks.
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klys Apr 11, 2014 9:38:32pm |
re: #82 William Barnett-Lewis
Hmm. I was actually referring to the meteor crater shot but must have clicked reply wrong. The idea was that it would make the trees stand out more so that the scale would be easier to understand.
That said, the Buddha is a good one in B&W.
And with that, I must toddle off to bed.
Huh, that’s a thought.
I shoot pretty much in color and then convert post, so I can play around with that some.
Sleep well!
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William Barnett-Lewis Apr 11, 2014 9:38:39pm |
re: #80 Rev_Arthur_Belling
I’m jelly of your 18mm. I have a prime 50mm 1.8, but digital makes it more like an 80/85mm, when what I’d really like is a damn 50mm!
My birthday present to myself next September will be an Olympus 25/1.8 (50mm eqiv) for my E-PL1. Wanted a fast normal ever since I started digital. I have a decent 35 eq. but no normal :(
Now I really better go :)
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jaunte Apr 11, 2014 9:40:01pm |
re: #83 Targetpractice
Some theorists are blaming Harry Reid and solar power, others are settling for Obama, Muslim Brotherhood, and impending martial law.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Apr 11, 2014 9:40:23pm |
re: #81 klys
Yeah, I have a 70-200 zoom. The last SLR I had was film, and I had a 28-70 2.8 and a 70-200 zoom for it, but sadly they don’t work on the digital i bought second hand. it came with the prime. i added the second. Should have went with the 18-135. There are some good wide-angle zooms out there, but hella pricey for me.
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Kragar Apr 11, 2014 9:40:30pm |
re: #79 klys
Pretty sure that street hasn’t changed much in 20 years. :) But that’s Takayama’s historical section. Don’t know if you made it up there while you were in Japan (although it’s reasonably close to Tokyo).
I was stationed down in Yokosuka. I did get up to Tokyo quite a bit, but I was usually up there dating my wife, so we hit clubs, theaters, etc. We did hit Yomiuri Land amusement park once or twice.
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Targetpractice Apr 11, 2014 9:41:54pm |
re: #86 jaunte
Some theorists are blaming Harry Reid and solar power, others are settling for Obama, Muslim Brotherhood, and impending martial law.
But all seem to agree that this guy is some sort of hero for refusing to follow federal court orders because as a white guy, he has an ancestral claim to the land his ancestors stole from the natives.
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jaunte Apr 11, 2014 9:43:26pm |
re: #89 Targetpractice
They don’t seem to grasp the legal ramifications of claiming that the federal government has no jurisdiction if your people were there before the federal government.
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klys Apr 11, 2014 9:44:38pm |
re: #88 Kragar
I was stationed down in Yokosuka. I did get up to Tokyo quite a bit, but I was usually up there dating my wife, so we hit clubs, theaters, etc. We did hit Yomiuri Land amusement park once or twice.
My husband also lived in Japan, 20 years ago.
We won’t talk about what I was doing 20 years ago. :)
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klys Apr 11, 2014 9:46:57pm |
re: #87 Rev_Arthur_Belling
Yeah, I have a 70-200 zoom. The last SLR I had was film, and I had a 28-70 2.8 and a 70-200 zoom for it, but sadly they don’t work on the digital i bought second hand. it came with the prime. i added the second. Should have went with the 18-135. There are some good wide-angle zooms out there, but hella pricey for me.
Pretty much every photo I have posted on LGF that came from the good camera and not a phone has been on the 18-135. I didn’t get the kit lens but used the savings + some to get it, which has been fantastic.
I shoot on Pentax, and I would kill for their pair of * zooms covering up to 300mm, but the lottery fairy has not smiled on us so far.
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Kragar Apr 11, 2014 9:49:38pm |
re: #92 klys
My husband also lived in Japan, 20 years ago.
We won’t talk about what I was doing 20 years ago. :)
Here is my office 20 years ago
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Apr 11, 2014 9:50:37pm |
re: #94 klys
Yeah, mine wasn’t a kit, but from a pro photographer friend who was getting out of SLR in favor of the Fuji mirrorless system. He’d already sold his wides to another photog, so I got the body (and a nice battery pack/speed drive) and the 50mm. I bought the other, thinking I’d use the longer length more. Should have thought that through better.
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klys Apr 11, 2014 9:50:51pm |
re: #95 Kragar
Here is my office 20 years ago
I wanted to get up to Misawa Air Force Base this past trip, because that’s actually where my aunt was born and Grandpa was stationed twice, but …the train schedules were shit. And there’s stuff I want to do up that direction that would require a car, so we decided to save it for the next trip.
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Feline Fearless Leader Apr 11, 2014 9:51:59pm |
re: #95 Kragar
Here is my office 20 years ago
Is the big anchor there to keep the building in place for the next tsunami?
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klys Apr 11, 2014 9:52:13pm |
re: #96 Rev_Arthur_Belling
Yeah, mine wasn’t a kit, but from a pro photographer friend who was getting out of SLR in favor of the Fuji mirrorless system. He’d already sold his wides to another photog, so I got the body (and a nice battery pack/speed drive) and the 50mm. I bought the other, thinking I’d use the longer length more. Should have thought that through better.
I knew I leaned landscapes, so the wides have always been a draw, and I did some serious research before plunking down for the Pentax. At the time it was best value for money, *especially* on the low-light end. None of the photos I’ve posted have ever used flash.
None.
(I might admit to careful editing in post-process though.)
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FemNaziBitch Apr 11, 2014 9:54:33pm |
re: #39 Targetpractice
Looking like another Waco or Ruby Ridge in the making.
Seems like ranchers have been fighting the federal government since there was a federal government.
How many old westerns are based on that theme.
Ponderosa?
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ninja cat Apr 11, 2014 9:54:46pm |
re: #89 Targetpractice
On twitter and FB they are all quite convinced the time has come, the moment they’ve all been waiting for. Restricted airspace, rumors of drones & cell towers turned off. Hysterical, in a drama-queen sort of way.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Apr 11, 2014 9:58:53pm |
re: #99 klys
I don’t use flash either. Hate it. I have a couple of friends who can use it very well, but they have some expensive diffusers and stuff that is out of my league, and, for my purposes (street, candid, nature), unnecessary and distracting. The 50 does great in low light. i have a canon t3i.
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jaunte Apr 11, 2014 9:58:53pm |
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klys Apr 11, 2014 10:00:22pm |
re: #102 Rev_Arthur_Belling
I don’t use flash either. Hate it. I have a couple of friends who can use it very well, but they have some expensive diffusers and stuff that is out of my league, and, for my purposes (street, candid, nature), unnecessary and distracting. The 50 does great in low light. i have a canon t3i.
I have a really, really nice one my inlaws gave me for Christmas.
Two years ago.
At some point, I’ll figure out how to use the damn thing.
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kirkspencer Apr 11, 2014 10:03:24pm |
re: #65 RealityBasedSteve
about the only thing I use cilantro in is when I make Chile Verde with Pork. Even then It’s only part of a small bunch.
On the other hand I do like Coriander, and it’s the same plant. I’ve never cooked with Coriander root, but I’ve seen it at some international markets. I wonder if there are any other plants where we use the leaves, the seeds, and the roots? I can’t think of any off-hand.
RBS
Radishes, for one. (Eat the seed pods while they’re still green. Trust me on this.) Celery’s another.
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klys Apr 11, 2014 10:03:50pm |
re: #105 kirkspencer
Radishes, for one. (Eat the seed pods while they’re still green. Trust me on this.) Celery’s another.
mmmmm, celery.
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FemNaziBitch Apr 11, 2014 10:06:58pm |
Here's a “stupid but funny.” RT @SciencePorn: Literally pic.twitter.com/Id3FfFOyTR— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) April 12, 2014
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klys Apr 11, 2014 10:08:50pm |
It’s a selfie! AKA, how I saw most of Zion.
Please note, the car was stopped.
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klys Apr 11, 2014 10:10:00pm |
re: #107 FemNaziBitch
Bare feet in the chem lab, that would have gotten me in lots of trouble. Tsk tsk.
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kirkspencer Apr 11, 2014 10:10:51pm |
re: #106 klys
mmmmm, celery.
heh.
I forgot a favorite: pumpkins. It’s all edible, though you will want to peel root and vine before eating.
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FemNaziBitch Apr 11, 2014 10:17:25pm |
Girls believe the myth that men can’t help it. The girls interviewed described men as unable to control their sexual desires, often framing men as the sexual aggressors and women as the gatekeepers of sexual activity. They perceived everyday harassment and abuse as normal male behavior, and as something to endure, ignore, or maneuver around.
also Paged
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Apr 11, 2014 10:19:16pm |
re: #111 FemNaziBitch
Not to be flip, but this is precisely why we can’t have nice things.
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Targetpractice Apr 11, 2014 10:24:24pm |
Wonder how many pages like this have cropped up in the last week:
Apparently this is the work of “love” of a single poster, who couldn’t be more transparent about which side he’s picked:
Goals: Cliven Bundy and many private militias attempt to reclaim Bundy’s land and cattle
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dog philosopher Apr 11, 2014 10:25:38pm |
re: #21 FemNaziBitch
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reminds me of
“what did the dalai lama say to the hot dog vendor”
“make me one with everything”
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dog philosopher Apr 11, 2014 10:27:14pm |
re: #10 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
For those who can’t be arsed to vote in the mid-terms.[Embedded image]
if it wasn’t for lazy democrats not voting in midterms, we would have gotten rid of fucking republicans long ago
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dog philosopher Apr 11, 2014 10:29:08pm |
yes i really did get this email
dear [mr owner of a very small software firm]
how does [your product] work?
the simplest question are the hardest and take the most time to answer
also, in my business, it seems that if they write, they don’t buy, and if they buy they don’t write
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dog philosopher Apr 11, 2014 10:30:53pm |
re: #112 Rev_Arthur_Belling
Not to be flip, but this is precisely why we can’t have nice things.
flip
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klys Apr 11, 2014 10:31:56pm |
I just went through my image library.
I want to apologize to Charles for all my uploaded duplicates, because I am an idiot.
Also, I take a lot of pictures of landscapes and cats.
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RealityBasedSteve Apr 11, 2014 10:33:53pm |
re: #114 dog philosopher
reminds me of
“what did the dalai lama say to the hot dog vendor”
“make me one with everything”
oh, ya gotta tell the WHOLE joke…
The vendor hands him one and says, “Four bucks.”
The Dalai Lama gives him a $5 bill, and waits to receive his change — but the vendor ignores him.
The Dalai Lama finally asks, “Where’s my change?”
The dog vendor replies, “Change only comes from within.”
RBS
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dog philosopher Apr 11, 2014 10:34:56pm |
re: #119 RealityBasedSteve
oh, ya gotta tell the WHOLE joke…
The vendor hands him one and says, “Four bucks.”
The Dalai Lama gives him a $5 bill, and waits to receive his change — but the vendor ignores him.
The Dalai Lama finally asks, “Where’s my change?”
The dog vendor replies, “Change only comes from within.”
RBS
:-) :-) never heard that part! :-)
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klys Apr 11, 2014 10:36:53pm |
re: #121 klys
It is totally obvious which photo was not taken with the phone camera.
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FemNaziBitch Apr 11, 2014 10:41:09pm |
I fell in love with a horse named Sabbatical today.
I watched this horse in the walking area.
Just beautiful.
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FemNaziBitch Apr 11, 2014 10:46:07pm |
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darthstar Apr 11, 2014 10:53:03pm |
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RealityBasedSteve Apr 11, 2014 10:59:49pm |
re: #125 darthstar
Took the bus for the first time in 2 weeks today. (last couple of weeks I was either on a different schedule or was teaching from home). We went by where they are building the new stadium for “The Nashville Sounds”, our AAA minor league team. It’s going to be open next year.
May go catch a game this weekend.
RBS
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GeneJockey Apr 11, 2014 11:03:04pm |
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klys Apr 11, 2014 11:08:00pm |
re: #129 GeneJockey
FTFY
Like I said, I don’t cook subtle.
it sounds like you’d like my cooking fine though. :D
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klys Apr 11, 2014 11:09:07pm |
It’s Friday night and lots of LGF apparently has lives and/or goes to bed early.
For the West Coast.
I will talk to myself, because that’s what I sometimes do.
Well, that and break out into Disney songs, but that’s for doing at home on my own. Not in public.
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GeneJockey Apr 11, 2014 11:10:04pm |
re: #130 klys
Like I said, I don’t cook subtle.
it sounds like you’d like my cooking fine though. :D
The other day I made Red Beans and Rice, a proper recipe where the beans are completely cooked before you start cooking the dish.
I used a head of garlic. It seemed about right.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 11, 2014 11:10:16pm |
WHITE PEOPLE: LETS PLEASE NOT DO THE COUNTRY RAPPING. LETS LEAVE SOME THINGS TO THE IMAGINATION— Andrea Grimes (@andreagrimes) April 12, 2014
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wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window Apr 11, 2014 11:10:39pm |
re: #131 klys
It’s Friday night and lots of LGF apparently has lives and/or goes to bed early.
For the West Coast.
I will talk to myself, because that’s what I sometimes do.
Well, that and break out into Disney songs, but that’s for doing at home on my own. Not in public.
As long as you don’t sing “Tomorrow” from Annie, it’s OK.
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GeneJockey Apr 11, 2014 11:13:01pm |
re: #131 klys
It’s Friday night and lots of LGF apparently has lives and/or goes to bed early.
For the West Coast.
I will talk to myself, because that’s what I sometimes do.
Well, that and break out into Disney songs, but that’s for doing at home on my own. Not in public.
Suddenly I flashed on the scene from The Lion King where Scar has taken over, and Mr. Bean Edmund Blackadder Zazu starts singing “I-i-it’s a small world ahfter all..”, and Scar says, “Oh, no! Anything but THAT!
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Amory Blaine Apr 11, 2014 11:13:40pm |
The DHS released that report on the rise of right wing militias and the RWNJ howled in protest.
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klys Apr 11, 2014 11:16:13pm |
re: #134 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window
As long as you don’t sing “Tomorrow” from Annie, it’s OK.
I could do that if you’d like. But lately it’s been “Let It Go” from Frozen.
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Targetpractice Apr 11, 2014 11:20:36pm |
re: #137 klys
I could do that if you’d like. But lately it’s been “Let It Go” from Frozen.
I’ve got a copy of that and keep meaning to watch it, but there’s always “something” that has my attention elsewhere.
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GeneJockey Apr 11, 2014 11:21:22pm |
re: #136 Amory Blaine
The DHS released that report on the rise of right wing militias and the RWNJ howled in protest.
Yeah. Funny about that.
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klys Apr 11, 2014 11:22:21pm |
re: #138 Targetpractice
I’ve got a copy of that and keep meaning to watch it, but there’s always “something” that has my attention elsewhere.
We watched it two nights ago.
It was not as good as Tangled, if you have seen that, but better than most of what Disney has put out recently.
But “Let It Go” is fantastic as a belt-it-out-while-driving-down-the-freeway-when-the-hell-did-I-start-saying-freeway-like-a-Californian song.
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Targetpractice Apr 11, 2014 11:23:41pm |
re: #140 klys
We watched it two nights ago.
It was not as good as Tangled, if you have seen that, but better than most of what Disney has put out recently.
But “Let It Go” is fantastic as a belt-it-out-while-driving-down-the-freeway-when-the-hell-did-I-start-saying-freeway-like-a-Californian song.
Yeah, I’ve heard a lot of good things about it, but I’m one of those folks who doesn’t like to watch movies alone and it always seems like everybody in the house is busy when I want to watch a movie and I’m busy when they want to watch one.
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wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window Apr 11, 2014 11:24:36pm |
re: #137 klys
I could do that if you’d like. But lately it’s been “Let It Go” from Frozen.
No, no, no! Please not “Tomorrow!” When the stage play first hit Broadway, the NYC station that my dad listened to at home played that song over and over again. Then the (first) movie came out, and my GF’s daughter watched it all the time. That damned song is forever burned into my neural network.
“Let It Go” is OK, though. I rather like the song.
re: #135 GeneJockey
True story: the street cleaner trucks here play “It’s a Small World” as they tool around town washing down the main drags.
That song was burned into my neural network since I first heard it at the ‘64-‘65 World’s Fair in NYC. But for some reason, it doesn’t get on my nerves as much as “Tomorrow.”
Suddenly I flashed on the scene from The Lion King where Scar has taken over, and
Mr. BeanEdmund BlackadderZazu starts singing “I-i-it’s a small world ahfter all..”, and Scar says, “Oh, no! Anything but THAT!
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klys Apr 11, 2014 11:28:55pm |
re: #142 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window
No, no, no! Please not “Tomorrow!” When the stage play first hit Broadway, the NYC station that my dad listened to at home played that song over and over again. Then the (first) movie came out, and my GF’s daughter watched it all the time. That damned song is forever burned into my neural network.
“Let It Go” is OK, though. I rather like the song.
It’s incredibly cathartic right now.
Plus, I wish Disney hadn’t blocked the YouTube alto version of it, which was absolutely brilliant.
True story: the street cleaner trucks here play “It’s a Small World” as they tool around town washing down the main drags.
That song was burned into my neural network since I first heard it at the ‘64-‘65 World’s Fair in NYC. But for some reason, it doesn’t get on my nerves as much as “Tomorrow.”
Street cleaners are the devil.
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dell*nix Apr 11, 2014 11:52:30pm |
USAF Thunderbirds at Cannon AFB, New Mexico cira 1972.
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klys Apr 11, 2014 11:55:01pm |
re: #145 dell*nix
I am assuming that is yours, which prompts the next question:
Been to the EAA festival up in Oshkosh?
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 12:00:46am |
These Bundy Ranch people are fucking crazy. They apparently believe that Article 1 Section 8 Clause 17 of the Constitution has been violated.
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;
Get it? The land was never purchased from the State of Nevada. Well guess what, that’s because federal government ownership of the land predates the creation of the State of Nevada. The land was won in the Mexican American war, and curiously enough Article 1 Section 8 has something to say about that too:
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water
So yeah, that’s a little bit inconvenient for Bundy, inasmuch as the creation of a State doesn’t automatically give that State government ownership of federal holdings previously established within it. The State never owned that land, that’s why they aren’t the ones going after Bundy for fees. Bundy doesn’t own it either, or he’d have a deed to the property.
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Targetpractice Apr 12, 2014 12:06:28am |
re: #147 goddamnedfrank
These Bundy Ranch people are fucking crazy. They apparently believe that Article 1 Section 8 Clause 17 of the Constitution has been violated.
Get it? The land was never purchased from the State of Nevada. Well guess what, that’s because federal government ownership of the land predates the creation of the State of Nevada. The land was won in the Mexican American war, and curiously enough Article 1 Section 8 has something to say about that too:
So yeah, that’s a little bit inconvenient for Bundy, inasmuch as the creation of a State doesn’t automatically give that State government ownership of federal holdings previously established within it. The State never owned that land, that’s why they aren’t the ones going after Bundy for fees. Bundy doesn’t own it either, or he’d have a deed to the property.
Bundy’s argument basically amounts to “I own the land by right of fuck you!” He’s claiming his ancestors have been using the land to raise cattle since the 1800s, so he automatically has dibs despite having no paperwork to show that the land was passed down to him. And of course his refusal of the federal government’s authority has absolutely nothing to do with his decision 20 years ago to stop paying grazing fees because he didn’t like the changes the BLM made to the lease.
In other words, he’s a freeloading squatter who’s becoming a wingnut icon because he’s also a sovereign citizen loon who knows all the right cards to play to convince the fellow loons that he’s a “victim.”
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dell*nix Apr 12, 2014 12:09:31am |
Some New Mexico storm clouds from 1972 between Portales and Roswell.
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klys Apr 12, 2014 12:12:05am |
re: #150 dell*nix
Never did have the time to go when it was on.
It is still worth it. I had the chance to meet Chuck Yeagar (and have him sign my hat in what is now barely visible marker)) in …shit… 2002?
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dell*nix Apr 12, 2014 12:16:27am |
The BLM has screwed with a lot of people over land and water use. After my uncle had most of the kinks worked out of a geo-thermal power system he developed on land he owned they tried to charge him for use of it. They were still in court when he passed away.
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klys Apr 12, 2014 12:17:48am |
re: #154 dell*nix
I’m willing to draw a distinction between “land he owned” and “land they owned.” (Where they is “us as taxpayers, subject to usage restrictions for land management.”)
The case here is pretty clearly applying to the latter.
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Targetpractice Apr 12, 2014 12:22:17am |
re: #154 dell*nix
The BLM has screwed with a lot of people over land and water use. After my unlce had most of the kinks worked out of a geo-thermal power system he developed on land he owned they tried to charge him for use of it. They were still in court when he passed away.
Thing is, Bundy never owned the land. He had a lease to graze his cattle on the land, but decided 20 years ago that he wasn’t going to pay the grazing fees anymore because he didn’t like the new terms of the lease. He was restricted to 150 heads of cattle, but he’s grazing ten times that many. He was restricted to 158,000 square miles, but his cattle are now spread out over 750,000 square miles. There’s so many of them running around that there’s actually feral cattle now who are running wild on federal land because he’s not keeping proper track of them.
He’s not even really asserting he owns the land, he’s asserting that since his family’s been grazing the land since the 1800s, then he has grazing rights that the federal government is denying him. And says that the federal government can’t own the land, only the State of Nevada can, which probably has to do with the State not demanding fees for grazing cattle on the land.
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dell*nix Apr 12, 2014 12:26:50am |
re: #156 Targetpractice
Some of the ranchers can and have been just as bad in how they act as the BLM and BIA have. Bundy will most likely lose in any court action he is involved in.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 12:27:06am |
re: #154 dell*nix
The BLM has screwed with a lot of people over land and water use. After my uncle had most of the kinks worked out of a geo-thermal power system he developed on land he owned they tried to charge him for use of it. They were still in court when he passed away.
Did your uncle have mineral rights listed in his deed, or did he just have surface rights? Because geothermal resources are treated as mineral rights in federal law.
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Targetpractice Apr 12, 2014 12:28:15am |
re: #157 dell*nix
Some of the ranchers can and have been just as bad in how they act as the BLM and BIA have. Bundy will most likely lose in any court action he is involved in.
He has, twice. This whole matter’s been worming its way through the federal court system for the past 20 years. But he refuses to recognize their authority and says he’ll only abide by a decision that comes from a Nevada state court.
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klys Apr 12, 2014 12:30:42am |
re: #157 dell*nix
Some of the ranchers can and have been just as bad in how they act as the BLM and BIA have. Bundy will most likely lose in any court action he is involved in.
It has taken 20 years to get to the points of federal agents impounding his cattle.
This shit started when I was 8 years old.
8.
Whatever run-ins family may or may not have had with the BLM, you cannot deny they have been patient in seeking resolution before taking this step.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 12:31:15am |
re: #159 Targetpractice
He has, twice. This whole matter’s been worming its way through the federal court system for the past 20 years. But he refuses to recognize their authority and says he’ll only abide by a decision that comes from a Nevada state court.
And now he’s got a bunch of pumped up, ignorant wannabe militia dipshits scattered around the place with sniper rifles all looking for glory.
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dell*nix Apr 12, 2014 12:33:27am |
re: #158 goddamnedfrank
Not sure about the mineral rights. Would have to check with the cousins who inherited the property. It is located on a fault and the water used is from the cold side of the fault. As I understood it he did have the water rights.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 12:35:13am |
It is my fervent hope that two BLM agents are able to infiltrate Bundy’s compound in an elaborate cow costume.
Because that would be awesome.
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Targetpractice Apr 12, 2014 12:35:45am |
re: #161 goddamnedfrank
And now he’s got a bunch of pumped up, ignorant wannabe militia dipshits scattered around the place with sniper rifles all looking for glory.
Who are all talking “Ruby Ridge” and “Waco,” pumping themselves up for an armed confrontation with the Feds.
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dell*nix Apr 12, 2014 12:37:49am |
Out of state idiots in Nevada in the summer heat. That will not end well.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 12:41:35am |
re: #162 dell*nix
Not sure about the mineral rights. Would have to check with the cousins who inherited the property. It is located on a fault and the water used is from the cold side of the fault. As I understood it he did have the water rights.
I sympathize with the guy, but according to the feds geothermal resources are unambiguously treated under mineral rights. If BLM owned all the adjacent land or if the feds sold him the deed without transferring those rights then it’s likely he would have lost in the end anyway.
I have seen State issued water rights that grant through passage for hydro-power systems, and for use of the warm water surface output from naturally occurring hotsprings. Magic Hot Springs in Idaho was for sale and used to have all the documents available on a website.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 12:50:44am |
re: #166 goddamnedfrank
IIRC the Magic Hot Springs property was originally settled in the 1800’s under the Homestead Acts. The water rights to the runoff and therapeutic use of the naturally occurring hot springs dated to that time. The hydro power water rights dated much later to some guy who owned the property in the 1960’s I think. He built a shitty looking run of the river dam with a head of 10 ft or so at something like 17 cubic feet per second. I did the math and came up with a likely maximum output of around three kilowatts. Last year when the place was still for sale the dam was in disrepair and they were getting all their power from diesel generators.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 1:04:07am |
Here’s an internet archive of the Magic Hot Springs website as it was.
I thought the place was kind of beautiful, and I have this thing for remote properties. Used to spend a lot of time browsing listings for private lakes and coastal getaways along Big Sur.
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klys Apr 12, 2014 1:04:29am |
re: #167 goddamnedfrank
Thanks I have now found a horrible website that promotes not telling my husband how much it would cost to buy our own hot spring.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 1:09:11am |
re: #169 klys
Thanks I have now found a horrible website that promotes not telling my husband how much it would cost to buy our own hot spring.
It would be irresponsible for you not to buy it. Especially like if zombies.
Neat, the archive even has the water rights documentation .pdf available, which was my entire point or something.
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klys Apr 12, 2014 1:13:05am |
re: #170 goddamnedfrank
It would be irresponsible for you not to buy it. Especially like if zombies.
Neat, the archive even has the water rights documentation .pdf available, which was my entire point or something.
It doesn’t appear for sale anymore.
Which is probably good for our financial outlook.
Probably.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 1:18:16am |
re: #171 klys
It doesn’t appear for sale anymore.
Which is probably good for our financial outlook.
Probably.
Here’s a private lake / house for sale in the upper peninsula area of Wisconsin, it’s my current “if I win the lottery” property. First though I need to actually play the lottery, whatever.
Weird part is I keep finding these places in red necky kind of militia areas.
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klys Apr 12, 2014 1:20:48am |
re: #172 goddamnedfrank
Here’s a private lake / house for sale in the upper peninsula area of Wisconsin, it’s my current “if I win the lottery” property. First though I need to actually play the lottery, whatever.
Weird part is I keep finding these places in red necky kind of militia areas.
We are torn between country scenery and urban convenience.
So far no answers and/or dream properties have presented themselves.
All bets are off if the perfect hot spring property presents itself.
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klys Apr 12, 2014 1:58:44am |
That moment where you are an adult and you don’t start a 2 hour documentary on Hurricane Andrew at 2 am.
Even if it is Friday night.
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Justanotherhuman Apr 12, 2014 4:32:12am |
re: #173 klys
You would have stiff competition from my son. And he plays the lottery.
Besides, doesn’t it belong to Charles? : )
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Flounder Apr 12, 2014 4:47:05am |
Wow, when Gus falls off the wagon, he really falls off the wagon!
From upstairs, he is being a total asshole to Charles, wtf.
twitter.com
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Amory Blaine Apr 12, 2014 4:55:32am |
Ha ha. Check this out, go to Scott Walker’s website page
h ttp://scottwalker.com/putting-wisconsin-back-work
404 error
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 5:14:44am |
re: #176 Flounder
Wow, when Gus falls off the wagon, he really falls off the wagon!
From upstairs, he is being a total asshole to Charles, wtf.
twitter.com
Jesus Dude. Gus 807 is one of the stalkers. That guy has always been an abusive asshole.
This is our Gus’s Twitter page. You owe him an apology or two.
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 5:21:33am |
Texas AG and GOP candidate for governor:
So True—> #BundyRanch Why couldn't they send this kind of help to save 4 Americans in #BENGHAZI. http://t.co/OocgpbQzuc @NoInfidel33— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) April 12, 2014
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 12, 2014 5:37:20am |
re: #179 Lidane
Texas AG and GOP candidate for governor:
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Somebody will have to replace Rick Perry when he becomes the next US President…
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Dark_Falcon Apr 12, 2014 5:50:22am |
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Justanotherhuman Apr 12, 2014 5:54:12am |
I wonder if anyone has done a title search on the land Bundy claims was “passed down” to him in the last century by his Mormon ancestors?
“Bundy claims ancestral rights to graze his cattle on lands his Mormon family settled in the 19th century. He stopped paying grazing fees and disregarded several court orders to remove his animals.”
We know his ancestors took what they wanted. I doubt that additional land grabs were that uncommon over the years, and a few bucks went a long way. Under “adverse possession” land can often be added under color of title, and in Nevada, that is only 5 yrs. Pay taxes on it, and it’s yours. At the same time, it’s illegal to squat on Federal land, which is what he’s doing with his cattle. I would imagine a lot of western land stakes were simply walked away from, being hostile and/or not worth the work, not suitable for farming or non-productive in some other way, and claimed by others over time, except, of course, that this was denied to the original occupying Native Americans who had an entirely different concept of “private property” than the European concept, which interestingly, sounded closer to squatting itself though not ownership—if you worked the land, that was the “ownership” of it, not the plot of earth itself, so a “title” would never be needed.
Nevada
5 yrs.and Color of Title: 5 yrs. and Color of Title/Payment of Taxes: 5 yrs.
You can look at western states here and see how easy it is (or was) to squat on unoccupied land and the short periods of time it took to claim them, no doubt a holdover from the past when it was open territory and “homesteading” was common and encouraged.
Also, this interesting book review of how land was acquired by whites from Native Americans in the earlier years of the nation.
How the Indians Lost Their Land: Law and Power on the Frontier
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 5:56:43am |
FYI kids, the whole origin of federal ownership of lands in Nevada is easy to document, it’s in the State Constitution.
Third. That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States; and that lands belonging to citizens of the United States, residing without the said state, shall never be taxed higher than the land belonging to the residents thereof; and that no taxes shall be imposed by said state on lands or property therein belonging to, or which may hereafter be purchased by, the United States, unless otherwise provided by the congress of the United States.
The #BundyRanch folk don’t like this news at all, I can tell you. Here’s a little history on how this ownership arrangement came about.
A second convention to write a state constitution therefore met from July 4-27, 1864. The defeated 1863 constitution was used as the basis for the new document. The requirements of the congressional enabling act were duly incorporated at the beginning of the constitution in a section called “The Ordinance.” This included the outlawing of slavery, and the statement that all undistributed public lands would be retained by the federal government and could never be taxed by the state. These provisions would be “irrevocable” without the consent of Congress and of the people of Nevada. The new constitution also included a “paramount allegiance” clause, proclaiming the supremacy of the United States government over the states and that no state had the right to secede, both very much Republican party doctrine, and voluntarily inserted into the document by its makers.
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Justanotherhuman Apr 12, 2014 6:02:48am |
re: #184 goddamnedfrank
FYI kids, the whole origin of federal ownership of lands in Nevada is easy to document, it’s in the State Constitution.
The #BundyRanch folk don’t like this news at all, I can tell you. Here’s a little history on how this ownership arrangement came about.
Yes, a copy of the NV constitution was rushed by telegraph to DC days before the 1864 election so that NV could cast its 3 electoral votes for Lincoln’s re-election. : )
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 6:03:05am |
And … they’ve got nothing.
@redheadwrites1 That's massively simplistic. Nevada voluntarily agreed to these terms in order to be admitted to the Union as a State.— GDF (@goddamnedfrank) April 12, 2014
@redheadwrites1 What federal legislative act distributed them? Please identify it.— GDF (@goddamnedfrank) April 12, 2014
@redheadwrites1 When? The Nevada Constitution says the unappropriated lands belong to fed gov. http://t.co/C1dyvY26Bm— GDF (@goddamnedfrank) April 12, 2014
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Flounder Apr 12, 2014 6:07:16am |
re: #182 Dark_Falcon
Thank you Dark, I should have checked more. That was really mean of me, and Gus, I humbly wish say I am sorry for that. I really enjoy your commentary here, you really make this site. What else, do I have to sit in the corner with a dunce cap? Serve drinks? Paddle? I want the paddle!
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wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window Apr 12, 2014 6:13:08am |
re: #187 Flounder
Thank you Dark, I should have checked more. That was really mean of me, and Gus, I humbly wish say I am sorry for that. I really enjoy your commentary here, you really make this site. What else, do I have to sit in the corner with a dunce cap? Serve drinks? Paddle? I want the paddle!
No! {To underling}: Bring the comfy chair!
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Justanotherhuman Apr 12, 2014 6:16:56am |
re: #184 goddamnedfrank
FYI kids, the whole origin of federal ownership of lands in Nevada is easy to document, it’s in the State Constitution.
The #BundyRanch folk don’t like this news at all, I can tell you. Here’s a little history on how this ownership arrangement came about.
It does make you wonder just when Bundy’s “Mormon ancestors” made their land claim on what he says constitutes his “ancestral rights”? If it was after 1864, then he may be on land illegally obtained in the first place.
A sign seen near the Bundy ranch.
These people are the closest to an internal enemy we’ve ever had, and they’re dangerous because they don’t mind using force, rather than the courts, to get their way. And even if they do use the courts, when they disagree with the courts, they still intend to flout the law and use force to get their own way.
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Feline Fearless Leader Apr 12, 2014 6:20:19am |
re: #149 Targetpractice
Bundy’s argument basically amounts to “I own the land by right of fuck you!” He’s claiming his ancestors have been using the land to raise cattle since the 1800s, so he automatically has dibs despite having no paperwork to show that the land was passed down to him. And of course his refusal of the federal government’s authority has absolutely nothing to do with his decision 20 years ago to stop paying grazing fees because he didn’t like the changes the BLM made to the lease.
In other words, he’s a freeloading squatter who’s becoming a wingnut icon because he’s also a sovereign citizen loon who knows all the right cards to play to convince the fellow loons that he’s a “victim.”
Almost makes you wish the BLM could arm the desert tortoises with lasers and let them deal with him!
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Feline Fearless Leader Apr 12, 2014 6:24:03am |
re: #173 klys
We are torn between country scenery and urban convenience.
So far no answers and/or dream properties have presented themselves.
All bets are off if the perfect hot spring property presents itself.
Give California geology enough time and you might get a “new” urban hot spring along with related open lots of property.
O_o
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 12, 2014 6:30:31am |
Let Bundy have the land based on “ancestral rights”, then turn loose an armed band of Native Americans to reclaim it from him…
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 12, 2014 6:32:07am |
re: #149 Targetpractice
In other words, he’s a freeloading squatter who’s becoming a wingnut icon because he’s also a sovereign citizen loon who knows all the right cards to play to convince the fellow loons that he’s a “victim.”
The Sovereign Citizens movement needs a martyr/poster child to rally around, and this guy is willing to be their stooge.
Nobody likes the BLM or the IRS or most any gov’t organization with letters, but they are tasked to do a job.
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Justanotherhuman Apr 12, 2014 6:32:17am |
This was awful, just awful. An identical twin was among the 10 who perished in this wreck.
Tractor-trailer truck in flames before it crashed into students’ bus, witnesses say
You never know…
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Flounder Apr 12, 2014 6:37:57am |
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Dark_Falcon Apr 12, 2014 6:41:38am |
So Bundy’s of Mormon stock is he? I wonder what the Romney family thinks of him.
One other thing I may do later thing morning is find out which Native American nation laid claim to the Bundy ranch’s vicinity prior to the arrival of Mormons.
Lastly, let’s not mention Clive Bundy ancestors when PLL is around. Because if we do then he’s going to bring up Mountain Meadows again.
Edited since not really germane.
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philosophus invidius Apr 12, 2014 6:51:40am |
re: #196 Dark_Falcon
I would imagine it is the Piutes. But, then again, the Piutes didn’t “improve” the land the way the Bundys did, so I guess according to Bundy and his “patriot” backers, they don’t have any rights to the land.
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Feline Fearless Leader Apr 12, 2014 6:51:52am |
re: #196 Dark_Falcon
So Bundy’s of Mormon stock is he? I wonder what the Romney family thinks of him.
One other thing I may do later thing morning is find out which Native American nation laid claim to the Bundy ranch’s vicinity prior to the arrival of Mormons.
Lastly, let’s not mention Clive Bundy ancestors when PLL is around. Because if we do then he’s going to bring up Mountain Meadows again.
He being of Mormon stock isn’t really germane to the situation is it?
If the family had title to the land being used for grazing he would have produced it years ago in the court cases. So he’s gone sovereign citizen and is out to collect the martyr cookies since he doesn’t have a leg to stand on and the BLM finally opted to do the equivalent of foreclose on him and turned up with the proper paperwork. And these are all “law and order” people (of course) up until the law doesn’t give them exactly what they want.
And Bundy claims only the state court has jurisdiction. And, of course, if it ruled against him, he’d then claim that only the county court had jurisdiction. And when that ruled against him I’m sure some sort of posse commitus (sp) would appear that would rule in his favor and he’d decide that only they had jurisdiction.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 6:52:35am |
Jesus Christ. These #BundyRanch supporters might just be the dumbest motherfuckers imaginable.
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GeneJockey Apr 12, 2014 6:54:24am |
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Apr 12, 2014 6:54:44am |
re: #199 goddamnedfrank
Not only that, there’s some dudebro convergence with the cause. I suppose until the guns come out. declan mccullough, a tech writer i used to respect, was railing about it the other day.
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Justanotherhuman Apr 12, 2014 6:58:03am |
re: #192 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Let Bundy have the land based on “ancestral rights”, then turn loose an armed band of Native Americans to reclaim it from him…
I know I’m living on native land which belonged to the Catawba people prior to whites settling here because it’s been documented in the history of this county and their fights with Cherokees, also, over settlements along the now named Catawba River. It’s a comforting thought, actually. I can imagine they might have even lived on the very land I’m on, since it’s very close to a small creek and there is a huge aquifer in this area that has supplied water for wells here for centuries. The land is fertile and was farmed not just by the Catawbas (who were agriculturalists) but up until recently when housing developers started moving into the eastern part, on the lake (man-made by damming the river for Duke Energy power plants in the 1960s) and the farms started being sold off.
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sattv4u2 Apr 12, 2014 6:58:25am |
re: #196 Dark_Falcon
So Bundy’s of Mormon stock is he? I wonder what the Romney family thinks of him
re: #198 Feline Fearless Leader
He being of Mormon stock isn’t really germane to the situation is it
Exactly
DARK,, you do know that every Mormon does NOT know every OTHER Mormon, right??? This doesn’t seem to be a religious protest.
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 12, 2014 6:58:42am |
re: #197 philosophus invidius
I would imagine it is the Piutes. But, then again, the Piutes didn’t “improve” the land the way the Bundys did, so I guess according to Bundy and his “patriot” backers, they don’t have any rights to the land.
Nothing “improves” land more than having cattle overgraze it and wipe out the natural flora and fauna…
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Justanotherhuman Apr 12, 2014 7:00:42am |
re: #203 sattv4u2
So Bundy’s of Mormon stock is he? I wonder what the Romney family thinks of him
>He being of Mormon stock isn’t really germane to the situation is it
Exactly
DARK,, you do know that every Mormon does NOT know every OTHER Mormon, right??? This doesn’t seem to be a religious protest.
I brought it up because Bundy himself brought his “Mormon ancestors” up in his claim of ownership and “rights”.
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GeneJockey Apr 12, 2014 7:00:50am |
re: #199 goddamnedfrank
Jesus Christ. These #BundyRanch supporters might just be the dumbest motherfuckers imaginable.
“I don’t know. I can imagine quite a lot.”
//
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Dark_Falcon Apr 12, 2014 7:00:51am |
re: #199 goddamnedfrank
Jesus Christ. These #BundyRanch supporters might just be the dumbest motherfuckers imaginable.
Heavy artillery needed to save turtles! SMH #BundyRanch #BundyRanchinvasion #ClivenBundy #HarryReid pic.twitter.com/2kjPSiFIve
— Heidi Campbell (@RonCshoney) April 12, 2014
The vehicle depicted is a BAE Land Systems M113 Armored Personnel Carrier (APC). Note the shielded mount on the front roof of the APC; It is designed to mount an M2HB .50 cal heavy machine gun.
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Dark_Falcon Apr 12, 2014 7:01:40am |
re: #196 Dark_Falcon
So Bundy’s of Mormon stock is he? I wonder what the Romney family thinks of him.One other thing I may do later thing morning is find out which Native American nation laid claim to the Bundy ranch’s vicinity prior to the arrival of Mormons.
Lastly, let’s not mention Clive Bundy ancestors when PLL is around. Because if we do then he’s going to bring up Mountain Meadows again.
Edited since not really germane.
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sattv4u2 Apr 12, 2014 7:03:16am |
re: #208 Dark_Falcon
Edited since not really germane.
I don’t think it matters if he’s Germane, French, Polish or Italian either!!!!
/
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Dark_Falcon Apr 12, 2014 7:03:55am |
re: #209 sattv4u2
Edited since not really germane.
I don’t think it matters if he’s Germane, French, Polish or Italian either!!!!
/
SMACK!
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Dark_Falcon Apr 12, 2014 7:07:02am |
A dumb conspiracy theory the NRA helped kill rises from its grave like a zombie:
@ChrisPlanteShow 46- (IBD) #BundyRanch siege explains why #DHS Needs 1000 More Bullets Per Officer Than Army http://t.co/x7CxNd1ehh
— Daniel John Sobieski (@gerfingerpoken2) April 12, 2014
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Dark_Falcon Apr 12, 2014 7:10:11am |
@SarahPalinUSA @RandPaulSenate needs to be on their way to #BundyRanch today!
— WE DO NOT FORGET (@Acappella883) April 12, 2014
Only if we can leave ‘em there for a month and not hear from them.
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GeneJockey Apr 12, 2014 7:15:07am |
This whole ‘Bundy Ranch’ nonsense demonstrates YET AGAIN how many on the Right do not understand the whole ‘of the people by the people, and for the people’ concept. ‘Government’ in a self-governing country is not some alien entity imposed from outside. It’s US. All of us. That land belongs collectively to US, and we decided he can’t graze his cattle there anymore.
He’s stealing from us, pure and simple.
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Dark_Falcon Apr 12, 2014 7:15:17am |
And here comes the open racism:
Where are the black helicopters stopping the human cattle jumping our fence? #BundyRanch pic.twitter.com/wlqnblQuNS
— Jennifer (@jensan1332) April 11, 2014
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Justanotherhuman Apr 12, 2014 7:15:53am |
This is not going to end well.
Report: Ukrainian flag no longer flying over regional police headquarters in Donetsk, Ukraine; replaced by separatist flag, witness says - @Reuters
end of alert
Report: Regional police chief in Donetsk, Ukraine, stepping down, bowing to demands of pro-Russian protesters - @Reuters
read more on trust.org
Pro-Russia militants seize hundreds of guns at Slaviansk police HQ in eastern Ukraine - @Reuters
end of alert
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Dark_Falcon Apr 12, 2014 7:17:06am |
The Benghazi Bugaloo, danced by someone who understands neither the events in that city on that day nor logistics:
These photos were taken on US soil. Scared yet? #BundyRanch http://t.co/9QFfJKrUYW pic.twitter.com/AW831aNX0c
— kim martyn (@kmartyn) April 11, 2014
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 7:21:24am |
#BundyRanch is like this ridiculous circle jerk that’s impenetrable to all logic and facts. Spoon feed them the Nevada Constitution and they refuse to read it. Explain that the land never once belonged to the State of Nevada, that since the end of the Mexican-American war it has been continuously owned by the US government and they obstinately refuse to recognize that claim, continue calling it State land.
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Justanotherhuman Apr 12, 2014 7:22:25am |
re: #214 Dark_Falcon
And here comes the open racism:
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Don’t you love how these assholes hide behind women’s names?
Cowardly, racist, reactionaries who use bots to get their “message” out.
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Lancelot Link Apr 12, 2014 7:23:10am |
re: #201 Rev_Arthur_Belling
Not only that, there’s some dudebro convergence with the cause. I suppose until the guns come out. declan mccullough, a tech writer i used to respect, was railing about it the other day.
Declan McCullough is a GG / Luap Nor fan and regular Alex Jones guest who invented the “Al Gore said he invented the internet” story. He’s a one-man wingnut/dudebro combination.
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Dark_Falcon Apr 12, 2014 7:24:37am |
re: #216 Dark_Falcon
Coming later today to Nevada, the Shame of the Illinois Republican Party:
Just boarded. Ready to stand up for liberty. Next stop, #BundyRanch. I #StandWithBundy #tcot pic.twitter.com/erL3GAIeza
— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) April 12, 2014
I reiterate my statement from 14 months ago that Joe Walsh can go fuck himself with a railroad spike.
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William Barnett-Lewis Apr 12, 2014 7:26:15am |
re: #197 philosophus invidius
I would imagine it is the Piutes. But, then again, the Piutes didn’t “improve” the land the way the Bundys did, so I guess according to Bundy and his “patriot” backers, they don’t have any rights to the land.
From what I’ve seen pictured of the over grazed land, I’ll say it - they were far better stewards of the land than he is. He’s nothing but a thief.
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Feline Fearless Leader Apr 12, 2014 7:26:50am |
re: #220 Dark_Falcon
Coming later today to Nevada, the Shame of the Illinois Republican Party:
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I reiterate my statement from 14 months ago that Joe Walsh can go fuck himself with a railroad spike.
Is he going to hold a press conference out in the Nevada sun, or go confront some BLM official trying to do his job with some sort of “Do you know who I am?” bullshit confrontation?
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GeneJockey Apr 12, 2014 7:29:01am |
re: #222 Feline Fearless Leader
Is he going to hold a press conference out in the Nevada sun, or go confront some BLM official trying to do his job with some sort of “Do you know who I am?” bullshit confrontation?
“Do you know who I am?”
“Aren’t you the deadbeat dad who had his ass kicked by a woman with no legs? The guy who ridiculed the service of that woman who lost limbs fighting for your sorry ass?”
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William Barnett-Lewis Apr 12, 2014 7:31:07am |
re: #202 Justanotherhuman
Right before the French arrived, the Ojibwa moved in around here after kicking the butts of the Oglala Lakota/Sioux who then moved west into Minnesota and the Dakotas. There they met the horse & their tribe changed pretty radically from the woodlands type of their ancestors.
Humans have been here for at least 30k years. There are many many many stories like that of the Ojibwa and the Oglala peoples.
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philosophus invidius Apr 12, 2014 7:31:13am |
Militiamen aren't the best spellers, apparently, but here's where they signed in to support Bundy #lasvegassun pic.twitter.com/Nhzl4NXHC4
— Ed Komenda (@ejkomenda) April 10, 2014
Sigh indeed.
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NJDhockeyfan Apr 12, 2014 7:32:04am |
Good morning lizards!
This looks like licorice Cheerios.
Aerial view of a scrap tire dumpyard. pic.twitter.com/mI8C4v3xkY— Mind Blowing Facts (@TheMindBlowing) April 11, 2014
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 7:33:22am |
At what point do the few remaining “moderate” and non-batshit Republicans look at the current party and say enough is enough? This Bundy Ranch bullshit is two steps away from becoming the same kind of farce the Schiavo case was. I’m half expecting the goobers in the House GOP to subpoena Bundy’s cows to get their expert opinion on things because Obama.
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Feline Fearless Leader Apr 12, 2014 7:33:51am |
re: #226 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards!
This looks like licorice Cheerios.
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There enough of a market yet for starting to sell those off to protesters in the Ukraine yet?
/
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Dark_Falcon Apr 12, 2014 7:34:54am |
@Maahalicious Claiming that the Sandy Hook murders were faked is a vile lie of the highest order! For shame, sir! #BundyRanch
— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) April 12, 2014
I know I shouldn’t respond to these nuts, but this one just turned my crank too far.
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Justanotherhuman Apr 12, 2014 7:36:23am |
re: #220 Dark_Falcon
Coming later today to Nevada, the Shame of the Illinois Republican Party:
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I reiterate my statement from 14 months ago that Joe Walsh can go fuck himself with a railroad spike.
Well, he is a court-defying dead-beat who fits right in with the other criminal types involved in the Bundy affair.
All of these types have some kind of criminal history or past scofflawing that gives them legitimacy among their fellow reactionaries.
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Dark_Falcon Apr 12, 2014 7:37:37am |
Vile homophobic Tweet. NSFW, and I won’t embed it here.
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NJDhockeyfan Apr 12, 2014 7:38:15am |
re: #228 Feline Fearless Leader
There enough of a market yet for starting to sell those off to protesters in the Ukraine yet?
/
Great idea!
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 7:39:47am |
Miserable hack Charles Krauthammer has a stopped clock moment, RWNJs go ‘splodey:
The Right criticizes Conservative pundit for saying Benghazi is over http://t.co/jOFthOidnm— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) April 12, 2014
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Justanotherhuman Apr 12, 2014 7:41:03am |
re: #231 Dark_Falcon
Vile homophobic Tweet. NSFW, and I won’t embed it here.
Holy shit! That guy must watch a lot of gay porn, out of an abundance of repression. And can’t photo shop worth a damn, either.
What a sucky existence he must have.
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HappyWarrior Apr 12, 2014 7:46:29am |
re: #223 GeneJockey
“Do you know who I am?”
“Aren’t you the deadbeat dad who had his ass kicked by a woman with no legs? The guy who ridiculed the service of that woman who lost limbs fighting for your sorry ass?”
He should be lucky that Duckworth didn’t duck him. He’s a cowardly little weasel.
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HappyWarrior Apr 12, 2014 7:47:02am |
re: #233 Lidane
Miserable hack Charles Krauthammer has a stopped clock moment, RWNJs go ‘splodey:
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When Charles Krauthammer isn’t playing along with your ODS games, maybe it’s time to play a new game.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Apr 12, 2014 7:50:43am |
re: #219 Lancelot Link
Yeah. I didn’t know about the Luap Nor/Alex Jones stuff. I used to read him a long time ago when he was at Wired(?) and seemed sane. He seems to have lost a screw or two. I need to bounce him from my Twitter account, I guess. Same with Jay Rosen. Used to be pretty sane, if egotistical (met him a couple of times) and Jeff Jarvis the same.
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Feline Fearless Leader Apr 12, 2014 7:51:20am |
re: #233 Lidane
Miserable hack Charles Krauthammer has a stopped clock moment, RWNJs go ‘splodey:
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“It’s not over until we say it is!”
- RWNJ House
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Dark_Falcon Apr 12, 2014 7:51:38am |
re: #235 HappyWarrior
He should be lucky that Duckworth didn’t duck him. He’s a cowardly little weasel.
‘He should be lucky that Duckworth didn’t duck him.’ Did you mean to say ‘deck him’? Because I’d have been fine with her doing that. He deserves it.
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darthstar Apr 12, 2014 7:51:50am |
re: #186 goddamnedfrank
And … they’ve got nothing.
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Except the best and brightest a well armed militia has to offer…
Militiamen aren't the best spellers, apparently, but here's where they signed in to support Bundy #lasvegassun pic.twitter.com/Nhzl4NXHC4— Ed Komenda (@ejkomenda) April 10, 2014
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GeneJockey Apr 12, 2014 7:52:34am |
re: #238 Feline Fearless Leader
“It’s not over until we say it is!”
- RWNJ House
TURN THOSE MACHINES THAT OUTRAGE BACK ON!!!
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Feline Fearless Leader Apr 12, 2014 7:54:13am |
re: #240 darthstar
Except the best and brightest a well armed militia has to offer…
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And then… Obama reveals that this is a false flag operation done to get all the militia nuts to reveal themselves for easier arrest!
(Sound of evil laughter)
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HappyWarrior Apr 12, 2014 7:54:27am |
re: #239 Dark_Falcon
‘He should be lucky that Duckworth didn’t duck him.’ Did you mean to say ‘deck him’? Because I’d have been fine with her doing that. He deserves it.
Deck, yes. Really a pathetic thing for a deadbeat father to go after a disabled war veteran like that. He’s free to disagree with her ideologically but his attacks on her were disgusting especially knowing that he’s a deadbeat father. Shows a lot about how little values the AFA have that they made him their man of the year.
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HappyWarrior Apr 12, 2014 7:54:55am |
re: #238 Feline Fearless Leader
“It’s not over until we say it is!”
- RWNJ House
Was it over when Obama did 9/11!
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GeneJockey Apr 12, 2014 7:55:19am |
re: #236 HappyWarrior
When Charles Krauthammer isn’t playing along with your ODS games, maybe it’s time to play a new game.
Notice, however, that he couldn’t bring himself to have a Gertrude Stein, “There is no ‘there’ there’ moment.
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HappyWarrior Apr 12, 2014 7:55:54am |
re: #245 GeneJockey
Notice, however, that he couldn’t bring himself to have a Gertrude Stein, “There is no ‘there’ there’ moment.
Well he’s still a hack.
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GeneJockey Apr 12, 2014 7:56:18am |
re: #244 HappyWarrior
Was it over when Obama did 9/11!
Apparently it’s time for a really stupid, useless gesture on someone’s part.
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GeneJockey Apr 12, 2014 7:57:29am |
re: #243 HappyWarrior
Deck, yes. Really a pathetic thing for a deadbeat father to go after a disabled war veteran like that. He’s free to disagree with her ideologically but his attacks on her were disgusting especially knowing that he’s a deadbeat father. Shows a lot about how little values the AFA have that they made him their man of the year.
They WHAT?!?
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Dark_Falcon Apr 12, 2014 7:57:49am |
re: #247 GeneJockey
Apparently it’s time for a really stupid, useless gesture on someone’s part.
forget it, he’s rollin’.
BBIAB
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HappyWarrior Apr 12, 2014 7:58:44am |
re: #248 GeneJockey
They WHAT?!?
I shit you not, Walsh won an American Family Association award his last year in Congress. Pretty sure it was them or one of those “family” groups that you know sees “family” as meaning “Be an as big dick to gay people and non-fundamentalist Christians as you can be.”
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William Barnett-Lewis Apr 12, 2014 7:59:10am |
re: #147 goddamnedfrank
These Bundy Ranch people are fucking crazy. They apparently believe that Article 1 Section 8 Clause 17 of the Constitution has been violated.
Get it? The land was never purchased from the State of Nevada. Well guess what, that’s because federal government ownership of the land predates the creation of the State of Nevada. The land was won in the Mexican American war, and curiously enough Article 1 Section 8 has something to say about that too:
So yeah, that’s a little bit inconvenient for Bundy, inasmuch as the creation of a State doesn’t automatically give that State government ownership of federal holdings previously established within it. The State never owned that land, that’s why they aren’t the ones going after Bundy for fees. Bundy doesn’t own it either, or he’d have a deed to the property.
Thanks for finding this. I used it to smack an idiot libertarian (but I’m repeating myself) this morning at another site.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 8:07:05am |
re: #251 William Barnett-Lewis
Thanks for finding this. I used it to smack an idiot libertarian (but I’m repeating myself) this morning at another site.
Also, Article 1 Section 8 Clause 17 only governs the rules surrounding the creation of Washington DC. It has jack all to do with federally owned property outside the “Seat of Government.”
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GeneJockey Apr 12, 2014 8:10:33am |
re: #252 goddamnedfrank
Also, Article 1 Section 8 Clause 17 only governs the rules surrounding the creation of Washington DC. It has jack all to do with federally owned property outside the “Seat of Government.”
Gee, imagine that - folks who selectively misquote the Bible to support their bigotry selectively misquote the Constitution, too.
Who’da thunk it?
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Dark_Falcon Apr 12, 2014 8:13:18am |
Sorry i had to duck out for a short bit. I had to help order my dad’s pool pass for the summer. The nonresident passes for the swimming pool he favors went on sale a few minutes ago and they tend to sell out in less than an hour.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 8:21:55am |
Man, it’s bad for the #BundyRanch militia. Heritage.org is in on the conspiracy to interpret A1S8C17 correctly.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 8:34:30am |
An oldie but seems apropos.
Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Apr 12, 2014 8:37:10am |
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 8:37:35am |
There’s also some legal case law on the subject, because of course there is.
In 1885, the Supreme Court ruled that there were two additional ways in which the United States could acquire federal enclaves: (1) the states could “cede” legislative jurisdiction to the United States, and (2) the United States could “reserve” legislative jurisdiction at the time of statehood. The Supreme Court added that these “cessions” and “reservations” were not limited to Enclave Clause (“needful building”) purposes.[11]
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 8:40:35am |
re: #259 goddamnedfrank
So the enclave clause actually did govern certain acquisitions outside DC. But because that method sucked the Supremes okayed other methods.
Which is kind of obvious, because otherwise there’d be a bunch of unconstitutionally large military bases, national parks and suchlike.
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Political Atheist Apr 12, 2014 8:41:35am |
As an independent citizen I have a take on the ranch /public land feeding of cows. It kinda goes like this.
Pay your effing fees and quit stealing from me. (us really, taxpayers)
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jaunte Apr 12, 2014 8:41:50am |
Is this a serious question? “@stillbuilder1: any ideas as to why the mainstream media refuses to cover #BundyRanch?”
— Yes, Nick Searcy! (@yesnicksearcy) April 12, 2014
Nick Searcy is on the case.
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Political Atheist Apr 12, 2014 8:43:02am |
re: #240 darthstar
Except the best and brightest a well armed militia has to offer…
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 8:43:35am |
re: #259 goddamnedfrank
Gee, you mean there’s actual legal precedent that these dipshits haven’t bothered to research or understand?
The shock is overwhelming.
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jaunte Apr 12, 2014 8:45:29am |
re: #261 Political Atheist
As an independent citizen I have a take on the ranch /public land feeding of cows. It kinda goes like this.
Pay your effing fees and quit stealing from me. (us really, taxpayers)
But then an independent-minded fantasist rancher can’t pretend to have a 150sq mile ranch when he only owns 160 acres.
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Political Atheist Apr 12, 2014 8:45:51am |
The militias have all these pretend ranks. Private, Colonel. But they missed Captain Obvious.
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Timothy Watson Apr 12, 2014 8:46:14am |
re: #262 jaunte
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Here I was hoping Raylan would shoot a couple of those assholes.
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 8:46:48am |
re: #267 Timothy Watson
Here I was hoping Raylan would shoot a couple of those assholes.
Raylan would find a way to get these assholes to shoot each other.
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jaunte Apr 12, 2014 8:47:24am |
re: #267 Timothy Watson
I feel obligated at this point to mention that Nick Searcy has won a Peabody award.
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Political Atheist Apr 12, 2014 8:49:19am |
re: #265 jaunte
But then an independent-minded fantasist rancher can’t pretend to have a 150sq mile ranch when he only owns 160 acres.
Exactly. Dude needs to just pay his fees. He would pay a neighbor for water or grazing right? I get grazing lands go way beyond the boundaries of owned ranch land. That might even be better than transporting feed to concentrated herds at least for the environment.
Everybody pays to operate their biz. Freebies are fictional.
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 8:52:08am |
re: #265 jaunte
But then an independent-minded fantasist rancher can’t pretend to have a 150sq mile ranch when he only owns 160 acres.
Haven’t his cows pretty much spread out to something insane like 750 sq mi? I think someone here mentioned that last night. Also, some of the cattle are now feral, which is a whole other problem.
That’s far beyond 160 acres. Dude needs to pay his fees or expect the feds to take all his cattle, send them to slaughter, and send him a thank you card for the donated meat to feed the hungry and homeless in his area.
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 8:54:49am |
RWNJs making shit up again? Must be a day that ends in Y:
Images of #BundyRanch are being forged to push right wing lies. Keep posting lies, people will keep revealing them. pic.twitter.com/bSYAxERSqm— JRehling (@JRehling) April 12, 2014
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jaunte Apr 12, 2014 8:54:56am |
re: #271 Lidane
I think his plan at this point is to persuade his supporters that they need to take up a collection to pay his fines.
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 8:56:05am |
re: #273 jaunte
I think his plan at this point is to persuade his supporters that they need to take up a collection to pay his fines.
So he wants other people to pay the fines he’s refused to pay for 20 goddamn years?
I guess that’s more of the personal responsibility the RWNJs are always babbling about.
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jaunte Apr 12, 2014 8:57:49am |
re: #274 Lidane
Here’s one effort. It’s not going too well.
fundly.com
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 9:02:59am |
#BundyRanch Executive Order 12548 by REAGAN 1986— Grazing Fees Read it here:http://t.co/iCkGJ5YiLq— Larry (@crazylary51) April 12, 2014
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Rev_Arthur_Belling Apr 12, 2014 9:07:24am |
re: #278 Stanley Sea
It’s hilarious until someone accidentally fires a weapon and the shitstorm comes.
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Stanley Sea Apr 12, 2014 9:08:43am |
re: #280 Rev_Arthur_Belling
It’s hilarious until someone accidentally fires a weapon and the shitstorm comes.
Yes. Of course. I’m hoping it doesn’t get there.
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 9:08:44am |
*inhales deeply*
I love the smell of Agenda 21 in the morning.
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 9:12:07am |
re: #282 goddamnedfrank
*inhales deeply*
I love the smell of Agenda 21 in the morning.
Just wait. You think they’re freaking out over cows now? Imagine what these chuckleheads would do if golf courses were endangered.
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jaunte Apr 12, 2014 9:13:56am |
#BundyRanch logic: how dare the government remove my cows from land I don't own after I have ignored numerous court orders!
— Matt Osborne (@OsborneInk) April 12, 2014
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NJDhockeyfan Apr 12, 2014 9:29:59am |
The Duke & Duchess of Cambridge arrived in New Zealand w/ Prince George…and received an impressive Maori welcome ;) pic.twitter.com/BavPlSatAt— KiSS 92.5 (@KiSS925) April 7, 2014
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 9:31:45am |
happiest dog ever! pic.twitter.com/5aBLVVMiYW— Cute Emergency (@CuteEmergency) April 12, 2014
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Political Atheist Apr 12, 2014 9:32:24am |
Many are thinking of the Branch Davidian raid what with this big operation going on. I don’t think it’s going to get anything like the Davidian raid.
Anyway for those newly interested I went looking for a review that was not all in for the militias. Obviously that raid went horribly wrong and accusations that friendly fire caused some of the deaths have not been put entirely to rest given the relative silence from ATF,
Interesting to note the agency paid a huge defamation settlement to one of the raid commanders. An indication candor had been lacking from both sides, no?
February 27, 2013
Prior to now, the best way to hear from the agents who were in Waco that day was to turn to two retired agents who have given their accounts. Chuck Hustmyre published his in-depth account of the raid in 2003 online. And Robert Rodriguez, who infiltrated the Branch Davidian cult as an undercover agent, spoke to KENS-TV in 2010. Rodriguez sued his supervisors and the ATF in 1995, claiming they defamed him and conspired to make him a scapegoat. The suit was settled out of court and Rodriguez received nearly $2.3 million in damages.ATF commanders hadn’t spoken about the planning and rationale for the raid. That changed earlier this month.
As part of the National Law Enforcement Museum’s “Witness to History” lecture series, three retired ATF commanders who planned and orchestrated the raid gave their accounts. Their candid remarks offered the most detailed insider’s view yet of the raid. They were joined by Reavis, who said the agency’s search warrant was flawed.
The panelists included Pete Maslin, the raid’s deputy incident commander; Jerry Petrilli, the team leader of the Dallas Special Response Team; and Bill Buford, co-leader of the New Orleans SRT. The event was hosted by Craig Floyd, NLEOMF’s chairman and CEO.
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Romantic Heretic Apr 12, 2014 9:37:32am |
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jaunte Apr 12, 2014 9:42:33am |
BLM IS PULLING OUT!!! RAIDDDD IS OVERRRRRRRR OOOHHHHHRAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH #BundyRanch
— Patriotic Resistance (@AmericanHawkTPJ) April 12, 2014
Winning!
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NJDhockeyfan Apr 12, 2014 9:43:14am |
ICYMI: Possible Chemical Weapons Attack in Syria | The Interpreter http://t.co/4QANjAgJWT via @Interpreter_Mag— Michael Weiss (@michaeldweiss) April 12, 2014
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 9:45:42am |
Obama should use 'white welfare rancher' the way Reagan used 'black welfare queen' because, this time, it would be true. #BundyRanch— TBogg (@tbogg) April 12, 2014
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Political Atheist Apr 12, 2014 9:46:25am |
re: #290 jaunte
IF true, call it a resounding success for the agencies. Nobody hurt. Court order enforced to a selected degree. A just a paltry few “militia” members even show up.
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jaunte Apr 12, 2014 9:47:00am |
re: #293 Political Atheist
It’s a smart move to just let them get tired and hot, and decide to go home.
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Romantic Heretic Apr 12, 2014 9:47:07am |
re: #173 klys
We are torn between country scenery and urban convenience.
So far no answers and/or dream properties have presented themselves.
All bets are off if the perfect hot spring property presents itself.
Urban convenience for me every time. I’m a city boy.
Although if I could afford it I’d rent a cottage on a lake for a week or two every year.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Apr 12, 2014 9:48:40am |
re: #290 jaunte
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Winning!
Maybe just taking off for the weekend…union rules, you know…
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Targetpractice Apr 12, 2014 9:52:03am |
If the BLM’s already pulling out, that would probably be because they’ve thinned Bundy’s herd to the 150 heads of cattle limit imposed. There are less confrontational ways to obtain the unpaid grazing fees.
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 9:53:47am |
re: #294 jaunte
It’s a smart move to just let them get tired and hot, and decide to go home.
What’s that quote about not stopping someone when they’re in the process of destroying themselves? BLM probably figures they’ve done whatever they needed to do, and they’ll let the courts and other channels do the rest.
This guy is still going to end up paying his grazing fees whether he likes it or not.
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Stanley Sea Apr 12, 2014 9:53:56am |
re: #297 Targetpractice
If the BLM’s already pulling out, that would probably be because they’ve thinned Bundy’s herd to the 150 heads of cattle limit imposed. There are less confrontational ways to obtain the unpaid grazing fees.
Hell Lauren Hill et al went to jail for taxes!
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NJDhockeyfan Apr 12, 2014 9:57:55am |
Is there anything they can’t grow in a Petri dish nowadays?
Lab-grown vaginas successfully implanted in four U.S. women. http://t.co/gBWv3dim2y
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Targetpractice Apr 12, 2014 10:00:39am |
Ah, here would be the reason:
BREAKING NEWS: BLM ends roundup of Bundy cattle
The agency says it is concerned about the safety of its employees and the public.
Translation: Too many armed whackos running around, itching for a fight.
According to sources, the BLM wants to proceed with the sale of the cattle already gathered during the roundup but is reportedly willing to share the revenue from the sale with Bundy.
Why share the revenues? Consider the money made off the sale part of his payment for the unpaid fees.
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 10:01:04am |
re: #300 NJDhockeyfan
Is there anything they can’t grow in a Petri dish nowadays?
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Functional brains for the RWNJs?
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goddamnedfrank Apr 12, 2014 10:03:43am |
re: #298 Lidane
What’s that quote about not stopping someone when they’re in the process of destroying themselves? BLM probably figures they’ve done whatever they needed to do, and they’ll let the courts and other channels do the rest.
This guy is still going to end up paying his grazing fees whether he likes it or not.
Just put a lien on his property.
re: #301 Targetpractice
Ah, here would be the reason:
BREAKING NEWS: BLM ends roundup of Bundy cattle
Translation: Too many armed whackos running around, itching for a fight.
Why share the revenues? Consider the money made off the sale part of his payment for the unpaid fees.
That’s probably what they mean, instead of just considering the cattle forfeit and not crediting the sale against the debt. BLM should definitely deduct the cost of enforcement from the sale revenue though.
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Romantic Heretic Apr 12, 2014 10:04:26am |
re: #300 NJDhockeyfan
Is there anything they can’t grow in a Petri dish nowadays?
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A conscience.
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 10:06:07am |
re: #303 goddamnedfrank
Just put a lien on his property.
Yeah, pretty much. I’d wager that’s what they’ll end up doing and then Dipshit McWingnut will try to sue to get out of the lien and then we’ll hear about ZOMG TYRANNY until he finally runs out of money to pay the lawyers.
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jaunte Apr 12, 2014 10:07:57am |
If @RealAlexJones doesn't go defend freedom at #BundyRanch , that would make him a Conspiracy Nut In Name Only and he is not to be trusted.
— TBogg (@tbogg) April 12, 2014
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sattv4u2 Apr 12, 2014 10:09:38am |
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GeneJockey Apr 12, 2014 10:17:11am |
WAY OT - the older boy has become so grown up that he now presents receipts from stops at the grocery store for reimbursement.
The other day I asked whether the job training organization where he’s almost completed his Computer Service Technician training will help him find a job. He said, “Don’t worry. I have a plan.”
I couldn’t help thinking of Baldrick - “My lord, I have a cunning plan…”
I said he’d better be the smart Baldrick from Series 1.
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Skip Intro Apr 12, 2014 10:20:22am |
What kind of a day would it be without another Florida Man story?
Tampa man charged with shooting at police helicopter
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Targetpractice Apr 12, 2014 10:20:50am |
So by the time that the militias “mobilized” and got their asses to Bundy’s ranch, the BLM had already managed to seize several hundred head of cattle. Is it any wonder that the Founders rather quickly rethought the need for a standing army?
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HappyWarrior Apr 12, 2014 10:21:06am |
re: #309 Skip Intro
What kind of a day would it be without another Florida Man story?
>Tampa man charged with shooting at police helicopter
I guess he was standing his ground too.
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Chrysicat Apr 12, 2014 10:23:43am |
I wish I weren’t only feeling interested in writing in-depth about the local MLB team today, because this disturbing article about our ‘ally’ Turkey deserves a Page, but I really can’t begin to fathom what I’d write about it in my current total mental state.
I leave it up to another Lizard to adopt it, and if they want to h/t me for finding the link, I wouldn’t turn that down :-P
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Apr 12, 2014 10:24:13am |
Aaargh I just wrote out the whole statistics saturday post and then closed it by accident.
Oh well. I’ll do it tonight after the picnic I’m going to.
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Killgore Trout Apr 12, 2014 10:24:35am |
good news
Pakistan Baby Won’t Face Prison Time
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Ming Apr 12, 2014 10:28:09am |
re: #292 Lidane
(Embedded content) Obama should use ‘white welfare rancher’ the way Reagan used ‘black welfare queen’ because, this time, it would be true.
I’ve seen incredible estimates, e.g. $35 / pound, of how much beef would cost without government subsidies in the meat industry. I just Googled “cost of meat federal subsidies” (no quotes), and there are some interesting hits.
I’m happy to be a pesca-vegetarian and not support this monstrous industry.
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Killgore Trout Apr 12, 2014 10:29:16am |
Beastie Boys and Biz Markie - Benny and the jets (live audio only)
Youtube Video
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Killgore Trout Apr 12, 2014 10:33:32am |
The war on Comedy will continue until tolerance improves
Anti-Racism Activists on Colbert: We Will Protest This Until It Ends
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Apr 12, 2014 10:35:39am |
re: #288 Political Atheist
Many are thinking of the Branch Davidian raid what with this big operation going on. I don’t think it’s going to get anything like the Davidian raid.
As is usual for me, I’m going to ramble haphazardly. Feel free to ignore.
I was living in Waco when the Branch Davidian thing went down. The documentary, “Waco: The Rules of Engagement” comes to some conspiracy theory-ish conclusions that I don’t know if I buy entirely, but the parts of the film that deal with the sudden clamor of media activity in the days leading up to the initial raid by ATF absolutely match my memories of what was going on at the time. The Waco Tribune-Herald ran a multi-part, front-page “exposé” about David Koresh out of nowhere that just oh-so-very coincidentally reached its panic-inducing conclusion in the issue printed the day of the raid. It is a fact that the Branch Davidians were alerted to the impending raid by virtue of the fact that TV news trucks arrived at the compound well ahead of the ATF.
Another point made by the documentary that I know to be true from personal experience is that David Koresh and other “top members” of the Branch Davidians were by no means reclusive. They didn’t stay barricaded 24/7 in Mount Carmel. David Koresh was a frequent customer of a couple of music stores in Waco, and I saw him trying out guitars on more than one occasion. The existence of the Mount Carmel compound was not a secret, and it is true that if the feds had wanted to arrest David Koresh without incident, there were common opportunities to pick him up in any one of the many places he frequented in Waco.
I was also heavily into computer bulletin board systems at the time, and there were quite a few in Waco. I got ahold of a list of local BBSs and tried them all out. It was common for certain sysops to require “voice verification”, which basically meant that you would apply for an account, then they would call you up just to briefly chat and get you to confirm that you really were who you claimed to be, and to tell you about the rules of the BBS, etc. A 5-minute conversation at most, usually. Well, one of the BBSs at the time was one called “Brazos de Dios”. It was run by Wayne Martin, one of the “top members” of the cult. I didn’t know any of that at the time. Wayne called me up and told me that the BBS was mainly “church-oriented”, and gave me access. I logged in one time, looked around, and found that there was nothing there that appealed to me. I didn’t look very deeply at it, but it just seemed like boring religious stuff. It certainly was not crazy doomsday hellfire, at least not on the surface. Compared to the Heaven’s Gate website, for instance, it was downright mundane.
When the raid turned into a standoff, the media circus got worse. Alex Friggin Jones was starting to make a name for himself, and he came up from Austin to be Alex Jones as near to the site as he was allowed. There were merchandise vendors who printed T-shirts, buttons, bumper stickers, and the like. I bought a t-shirt, and still have it. There were many designs. For historical purposes, I wish I had bought more stuff.
International press came. One of my friends spoke to a man from the BBC who was very obviously trying to frame the story in terms of Waco being a “one-horse town where the horse has died,” and that the town was so overflowing with religious fundamentalists that these sort of apocalyptic doomsday cults are a feature, not a bug. Now, I’m not a big fan of Waco for a lot of reasons, but that is an absurd exaggeration.
One of the things that supposedly led to the raid was that a UPS driver reported that a package had “broken open” revealing firearms, inert grenade casings, and black powder. Two things: First, all of those items were legal to possess, buy, and ship at the time. Second, although I did not know her or her family at the time, the UPS driver in question was the uncle of the woman I married several years later. I came to know him pretty well, and I can attest that he is a nutter. He’s a lot like “Dale Gribble” from King of the Hill. No conspiracy theory is too crazy for him. His wife was a nut, too, frequently falsely claiming to have various cancers and other severe diseases which of course no doctor would ever agree with because they were all out to get her or something. At any rate, there may very well have been such a package, and it may very well have “broken open”, but honestly if that guy told me that three comes between two and four, I’d feel like I needed to verify it independently.
Another thing is that, although I highly doubt that the conclusion to the Branch Davidian standoff was the conclusion they’d hoped for, both the ATF and FBI could not have fucked up the situation more thoroughly than they did even if they had deployed a computer-assisted, liquid nitrogen-cooled, industrial-grade Situation Up-Fucking Device. If you listen to the tapes of the conversations between the Branch Davidians and the FBI negotiator, it’s hard not to come to the conclusion that any random person off the street could have done a better job of talking them down. They goaded the Branch Davidians, famously employing so-called “psychological warfare” including playing weird noises over loudspeakers for days on end. If you *wanted* to keep a standoff tense and hostile, you could not have done a better job than was done by the Feds at Waco.
I admit I haven’t followed the “Bundy Ranch” thing very closely, but from what I’ve seen it doesn’t seem even remotely similar to Waco.
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Political Atheist Apr 12, 2014 10:37:53am |
re: #318 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
Only in the sense of a big raid, militia noise, rancher family vs “Big Gov”, and a potential to get out of hand. And if you read the linked piece I think it shows the lessons learned then that helped this go well now.
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Killgore Trout Apr 12, 2014 10:39:09am |
Interesting perspective on calling people un-American
Dems label foes ‘un-American’
“Thomas Jefferson was considered too French. He was called un-American and a Francomaniac,” said Rosemarie Ostler, author of Slinging Mud, a book covering two centuries of political insults. “He did things that weren’t ‘really American,’ like being interested in wine.
“Every time it comes up, it means something different.”
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Chrysicat Apr 12, 2014 10:40:16am |
re: #317 Killgore Trout
The war on Comedy will continue until tolerance improves
Anti-Racism Activists on Colbert: We Will Protest This Until It Ends
How is he going to get good ratings for CBS when neither side’s extremists seem capable of separating him from his character of the last 15 years, anyway?
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Apr 12, 2014 10:40:22am |
re: #318 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
I don’t know a ton about the standoff, but I do know that it’s totally standard policy for law enforcement to try to arrest people away from their homes, because that’s the time they’re most vulnerable and least likely to have access to, oh, shitloads of guns.
However, maybe they thought that he had standing orders for everyone to kill themselves or something if he got arrested. I don’t know. I think it’s obvious ATF and the FBI wish they could have gotten a better outcome, but in the end the real villain is still Koresh. The FBI and ATF may—and again, I don’t know, because I have no idea how to do the kind of shit they do—have fucked it up, but that’s not malice. Koresh was the madman asshole that started the whole deal.
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Killgore Trout Apr 12, 2014 10:42:01am |
Looks like the rumors of recent chemicals attacks are looking credible. Mutual finger pointing ensues
Syrian Government, Opposition Trade Claims and Blame of Poison Gas Attack
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Killgore Trout Apr 12, 2014 10:44:45am |
re: #321 Chrysicat
How is he going to get good ratings for CBS when neither side seems capable of separating him from his character of the last 15 years, anyway?
It will take a bit of adjustment but I think he’ll be able to make it work. His job is probably safe. Late night shows are mainstream, non-political and inoffensive comedy so if he plays it safe for six months everybody will even forget his Colbert character from Comedy Central. I think he’ll be fine.
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 10:46:04am |
re: #315 Ming
I’m happy to be a pesca-vegetarian and not support this monstrous industry.
Being unemployed has done wonders for my meat consumption. I think these days I just buy some chicken from the nearby meat market once a week when they put it on sale super cheap and i buy tons of fresh veggies. I’ll take some of it and turn it into large dishes like caldo de pollo (i.e., Mexican chicken soup) or enchiladas and shred the rest for whatever else comes to mind.
Once I start working again I might splurge on the occasional night out for a local burger or some BBQ, but I’ll probably still stick to eating lighter the way I have been.
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Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Apr 12, 2014 10:48:11am |
re: #324 Killgore Trout
Late night shows are mainstream, non-political and inoffensive comedy
Have you just never watched Letterman?
Your level of ignorance is always astonishing.
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 10:57:34am |
Today’s crisis on teh internets: #instagramnotworking . How will we ever survive?
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Killgore Trout Apr 12, 2014 10:59:32am |
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HappyWarrior Apr 12, 2014 11:00:00am |
re: #328 Lidane
Today’s crisis on teh internets: #instagramnotworking . How will we ever survive?
Who will I share my latest alcohol concoction with, who I ask you!
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Ming Apr 12, 2014 11:03:50am |
An awesome collection of photographs (from the Smithsonian) at HuffPost.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Apr 12, 2014 11:07:21am |
sigh
Ranchers on horse back are about to over run armed FED positions. Live stream at http://t.co/qHm4vTalE4— Alex Jones (@RealAlexJones) April 12, 2014
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 11:08:02am |
Mental health break from the Bundy Ranch stupid:
Kitten learned to sit! pic.twitter.com/NAG7ZKqiIf— Emergency Kittens (@EmrgencyKittens) April 12, 2014
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EmmaAnne Apr 12, 2014 11:24:30am |
re: #318 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
The thing about Waco is that we hadn’t had Waco yet, and now we have. It does seem like the feds screwed it up, but they also seem to have learned the right lessons from it (fingers crossed).
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Political Atheist Apr 12, 2014 11:30:06am |
re: #322 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut
The blame lies with David Koresh. That being said, that incident led to fundamental changes in how raids are conducted. Law officer gunfights gone bad do that. Not to indict the people involved but to highlight how strongly agencies will change when needed.
From my link-Bold from article
No contingency plan. Buford said he didn’t develop a plan for a strategic withdrawal if the raid went sideways, and ATF agents only began to pull back when they began running out of ammo. “You can’t make a snap decision when you’re under fire,” Buford said. “We were like lost sheep leaving the compound.” A strong contingency plan is now required on every ATF raid.
Overly confident planning involving an unknown threat. The Branch Davidians presented a new kind of threat to law enforcement—a heavily armed doomsday sect. Raid planners didn’t adequately address Koresh’s apocalyptic beliefs and willingness to defend the compound to the death. The ATF also had a nearly flawless track record using entry control teams without a full-fledged tactical unit. “We had never failed before,” Maslin said. Buford added, “We were going to go in there, kick a little booty, and be home by noon. It didn’t work that way.”
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 11:33:50am |
re: #332 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
Oh geez. That should end well.
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Lidane Apr 12, 2014 11:34:31am |
Cliven Bundy states he's not a citizen of the US. Then he's been trespassing on Federal land as an illegal alien. #Deport #BundyRanch— Ari Zed (@RezOKC) April 12, 2014
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Varek Raith Apr 12, 2014 11:39:08am |
Dear Bethesda,
Do you know what a “Dynamic IP” is?
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Political Atheist Apr 12, 2014 11:41:48am |
re: #293 Political Atheist
>IF true, call it a resounding success for the agencies. Nobody hurt. Court order enforced to a selected degree. A just a paltry few “militia” members even show up.
ABC’s take
A Nevada cattle rancher appears to have won his week-long battle with the federal government over a controversial cattle roundup that had led to the arrest of several protesters.
WTF?!
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March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
William Lewis
Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
Rightwingconspirator
Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... CheechakoKGxvi
Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
