KS Shooting Suspect Frazier Glenn Miller’s 2010 Interview: He’s a Fan of Ron Paul

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In a 2010 interview on The David Pakman Show, white supremacist murder suspect Frazier Glenn Miller talked at length about his twisted ideology of hate, and revealed that he’s a huge admirer of Ron Paul. (Which shouldn’t surprise anyone, by the way.)

At this time, Miller was running for the US Senate in Missouri, under the slogan “It’s the Jews, Stupid.”

Other people Miller cites approvingly: Pat Buchanan, Louis Farrakhan and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. And it’s obvious what all these people have in common — hatred of Jews.

Frazier Glenn Miller originally appeared on The David Pakman Show in April 2010. In November 2013, he exchanged a series of emails with host David Pakman. Emails are available here: davidpakman.com

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1 Bulworth  Apr 14, 2014 11:10:25am
In a 2010 interview on The David Pakman Show, white supremacist murder suspect Frazier Glenn Miller talked at length about his twisted ideology of hate, and revealed that he’s a huge admirer of Ron Paul . (Which shouldn’t surprise anyone, by the way.)

My surprise face, let me show you it…

2 Bulworth  Apr 14, 2014 11:11:43am

I wonder what Glenn Beck thinks of all this…..

3 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 11:20:39am

Amazingly CNN has found a few minute away from the 24/7 missing plane schedule to interview David Pakman.

4 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 11:21:30am

[alex jones] FALSE FLAG!! [/alex jones]

5 Skip Intro  Apr 14, 2014 11:24:57am

Meanwhile, if you missed your morning does of stupid pills, here’s Fox News presenting the bogus Harry Reid/Bundy Ranch story to its comatose viewers as a “it could be true” piece.

mediamatters.org

6 blueraven  Apr 14, 2014 11:26:57am

The 14 year old was on his way for a rehearsal of To Kill a Mockingbird

The White Nationalists/KKK/Neo-Nazis really hate that book with a passion.

7 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 11:29:18am
8 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 11:31:50am

Just in case anyone thinks Ron Paul is just a kindly old grandfather, don’t take his statements at face value. He is racist to the core. I think everyone may have already seen this, and know it, but just in case…

FACT CHECK: Ron Paul Personally Defended Racist Newsletters

thinkprogress.org

9 Skip Intro  Apr 14, 2014 11:31:53am

re: #3 NJDhockeyfan

Amazingly CNN has found a few minute away from the 24/7 missing plane schedule to interview David Pakman.

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They’re probably going to ask him his theory about the plane.

10 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 14, 2014 11:32:31am

If the situation at the Nevada ranch takes a turn for the worse again, I say we fight Bundy with Bundy,

11 Norbrook  Apr 14, 2014 11:34:43am

Very little shocks me about this. I’ve found over the years a remarkable number of Paul’s fans are more than a little racist. I’ve also found that the amount of excuse making for Ron Paul on various of his “liberal” fans for that is equally remarkable.

12 Bulworth  Apr 14, 2014 11:35:15am
They’re probably going to ask him his theory about the plane.

You, Sir, may have all the Internets today.

13 GunstarGreen  Apr 14, 2014 11:36:31am

re: #7 Lidane

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But it wasn’t “for no reason”. It was for a clearly-stated and thoroughly-documented reason. A reason, I might add, that we continue to coddle and permit right up until it becomes a tragedy.

14 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 11:36:37am

Google agrees to buy Titan Aerospace, maker of high-altitude drones - @WSJ
read more on online.wsj.com

15 KerFuFFler  Apr 14, 2014 11:40:10am

Yeah, I listened to his nonsensical rant about how Jews control everything and just like every time I hear this bullshit I wondered where my portion of all this vast wealth and power is. But I guess I don’t have to have any of this to be guilty because all Jews are collectively guilty for everything that any of them does. These Jew-haters are also happy to point out that “the Jews invented communism”. Sure, Marx may have had Jewish ancestry but just how did all of us collectively invent communism?

This crap really pisses me off and my heart goes out to moderates in the Muslim community that are also treated as guilty parties every time a jihadist somewhere causes mayhem, violence and death.

16 Stanley Sea  Apr 14, 2014 11:40:38am

I like to point out the huge Confederate flag flying behind Glenn Miller in one of the photos.

That flag is not innocuous. Not by a long shot.

17 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 11:41:07am

re: #13 GunstarGreen

But it wasn’t “for no reason”. It was for a clearly-stated and thoroughly-documented reason. A reason, I might add, that we >continue to coddle and permit right up until it becomes a tragedy.

Well yes. The shooter had very obvious reasons.

I can understand why relatives of the victims might feel that way though. The victims of this hate crime didn’t do anything at all except go to their local community center. Their relative is dead for seemingly no reason at all.

18 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 14, 2014 11:41:17am

re: #14 Justanotherhuman

Google agrees to buy Titan Aerospace, maker of high-altitude drones - @WSJ
read more on online.wsj.com

Obamabots!!

19 De Kolta Chair  Apr 14, 2014 11:41:39am

re: #8 Justanotherhuman

FACT CHECK: Ron Paul Personally Defended Racist Newsletters

thinkprogress.org

FACT CHECK #2: Ron Paul Personally Published Those Racist Newsletters

20 kirkspencer  Apr 14, 2014 11:44:18am

re: #5 Skip Intro

Meanwhile, if you missed your morning does of stupid pills, here’s Fox News presenting the bogus Harry Reid/Bundy Ranch story to its comatose viewers as a “it could be true” piece.

mediamatters.org

I got it fed to me on another list with links to the corner and infowars (Alex Jones).

My favorite clue-by-4: “This man telling you that BLM’s attack on Bundy is really driven by Reid’s solar energy desires is also telling you the government was behind 9/11, the OKC bombings, Sandy Hook, and several devastating tornadoes and hurricanes; he says the moon landings were faked and thousands of astronauts have been murdered to keep the secret.”

21 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 11:44:35am

heh…
I read through the Pakman/Miller email transcript and, toward the end, Miller says he’s planning to run for Congress for the 7th District in Missouri.
I guess the current tea party office holder, Billy Long, isn’t conservative enough.

22 GunstarGreen  Apr 14, 2014 11:45:36am

re: #17 Lidane

Well yes. The shooter had very obvious reasons.

I can understand why relatives of the victims might feel that way though. The victims of this hate crime didn’t do anything at all except go to their local community center. Their relative is dead for seemingly no reason at all.

“For no reason” is a very sad dodge. I mean, I guess it helps people to cope with it, but it’s very, very counter-productive. It removes our responsibility to deal with the problem, and chalks it up to base randomness, which really isn’t at all the case.

This man said certain things in certain ways using certain language. He supported certain ideologies, and rallied behind certain symbols. All of these things are well-understood in this day and age. We know what they are. We know what they mean. We know what people that support them do, or at the absolute least wish they had the “courage” to do.

And yet we continue to permit them. We continue to treat it all as innocent assholery, right up until people die because of it. And then we ask why they died “for no reason”.

It wasn’t “for no reason”. It was for a pretty damned clear reason, we just refuse to do anything about it.

23 Skip Intro  Apr 14, 2014 11:45:43am

They’re coming for Boehner now.

Youtube Video

24 Bulworth  Apr 14, 2014 11:47:33am
My favorite clue-by-4: “This man telling you that BLM’s attack on Bundy is really driven by Reid’s solar energy desires is also telling you the government was behind 9/11, the OKC bombings, Sandy Hook, and several devastating tornadoes and hurricanes; he says the moon landings were faked and thousands of astronauts have been murdered to keep the secret.”

Ok, well, you know, it would be very irresponsible not to speculate….//

25 kirkspencer  Apr 14, 2014 11:48:19am

re: #23 Skip Intro

That’s actually rather clever. I disagree with his whole platform, mind, but the ad itself had me laughing.

26 Stanley Sea  Apr 14, 2014 11:49:28am

re: #22 GunstarGreen

“For no reason” is a very sad dodge. I mean, I guess it helps people to cope with it, but it’s very, very counter-productive. It removes our responsibility to deal with the problem, and chalks it up to base randomness, which really isn’t at all the case.

This man said certain things in certain ways using certain language. He supported certain ideologies, and rallied behind certain symbols. All of these things are well-understood in this day and age. We know what they are. We know what they mean. We know what people that support them do, or at the absolute least wish they had the “courage” to do.

And yet we continue to permit them. We continue to treat it all as innocent assholery, right up until people die because of it. And then we ask why they died “for no reason”.

It wasn’t “for no reason”. It was for a pretty damned clear reason, we just refuse to do anything about it.

Perfectly said. More updings if I could.

27 klys  Apr 14, 2014 11:52:33am

re: #22 GunstarGreen

Sure.

I’m also going to cut the relatives of people who died at the hands of someone they had never met some slack for saying that their loved ones died for no reason, especially when in the first 48 hours after the fact.

28 lawhawk  Apr 14, 2014 12:01:07pm

The question that people should be asking. If this guy had a felony record (and served 3 years in prison for prior firearms violations and for ignoring court orders), how did he manage to get his hands on more firearms?

That’ll be one heck of an uncomfortable question for the right wingers to answer and address.

30 Charles Johnson  Apr 14, 2014 12:02:30pm

Yes, some of these despicable shitheads immediately started trying to cast this FAR RIGHT mass murderer as a “Democrat.”

31 klys  Apr 14, 2014 12:04:23pm

Normally I would never rejoice for the Flyers making the playoffs, but oh, it forced Miley Cyrus to move her concert in Philly and the tears on twitter are funny.

32 wrenchwench  Apr 14, 2014 12:04:24pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Yes, some of these despicable shitheads immediately started trying to cast this FAR RIGHT mass murderer as a “Democrat.”

I guess that’s a effective defense of Ron Paul. Not.

33 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 12:04:47pm
34 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 14, 2014 12:04:56pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

So was he actually a gubernatorial candidate or is instapundit just full of shit?

35 klys  Apr 14, 2014 12:05:02pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Yes, some of these despicable shitheads immediately started trying to cast this FAR RIGHT mass murderer as a “Democrat.”

Raise your hand if you’re surprised.

36 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 14, 2014 12:05:20pm

re: #33 NJDhockeyfan

Yep, sure looks Democratic to me!

37 Bulworth  Apr 14, 2014 12:05:28pm
Yes, some of these despicable shitheads immediately started trying to cast this FAR RIGHT mass murderer as a “Democrat.”

Now I’m wearing my really, really, super-surprised face./

Seriously. I wonder why they won’t call him a ‘liberal’?

38 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 14, 2014 12:08:08pm

re: #28 lawhawk

The question that people should be asking. If this guy had a felony record (and served 3 years in prison for prior firearms violations and for ignoring court orders), how did he manage to get his hands on more firearms?

That’ll be one heck of an uncomfortable question for the right wingers to answer and address.

That will be an interesting investigation. Will probably turn up an illegal sale, a straw sale, or a private sale with the seller being “clueless” in some way. Still indicating that some rules require further tightening.

I am also curious what set this guy off at this point since his attitude and rampant anti-Semitism has been there for decades at this point. Emboldened by other events, some sort of personal health issue, who knows.

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 12:08:46pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Instapundit is a disgusting person.

Instapundit » Blog Archive » NBC NEWS: KANSAS CITY SHOOTER IS FORMER DEMOCRAT GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE, KLANSMAN. Okay, They Pus…

And when he lost that race, he later ran in the Republican primary for Senate.

40 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 12:09:59pm

Gee, ya think?

41 blueraven  Apr 14, 2014 12:11:52pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Instapundit is a disgusting person.

Instapundit » Blog Archive » NBC NEWS: KANSAS CITY SHOOTER IS FORMER DEMOCRAT GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE, KLANSMAN. Okay, They Pus…

getting some push back in the comment section

Silvergraucat
Reading the article: “He even unsuccessfully ran in the Democratic primary for North Carolina governor in 1984 and as a Republican for a state Senate seat in 1987, the SPLC said.” Looks like his Democrat/Republican leanings were buried about equally in the article, and Instapundit lede into the story biased and misleading. A bit ironic given the complaints on this site about misleading ledes by other publishers.

FredipusRex
Except he *didn’t* run as a Democrat. One confused DailyKos diary does not evidence make.

In 2006, three candidates vied for the Democratic nomination to MO-7, none of them Frazier Glenn Miller: sos.mo.gov

Miller ran as an independent write-in candidate in the general election and got 26 votes:ourcampaigns.com

What Miller did was heinous enough - it’s more than a little gross to turn this into a partisan thing. It boggles me to see this blog turn into an MSNBC of the right - I thought this was written by a libertarian, pro-gay marriage transhumanist, not a “whack my enemies with whatever is convenient, right or wrong” blog.

42 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 14, 2014 12:12:47pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

So was he actually a gubernatorial candidate or is instapundit just full of shit?

Kyndon LaRouche was a primary candidate for Democratic Lieutenant governor in Illinois.

Or is it too early for a LaRodwin?

43 Charles Johnson  Apr 14, 2014 12:13:31pm

This is the blog post Instapundit is linking to.

44 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 12:14:31pm

re: #41 blueraven

“FredipusRex” doesn’t have a good grasp of reading comprehension.

45 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 12:15:39pm
46 klys  Apr 14, 2014 12:16:43pm

re: #45 NJDhockeyfan

LOL at the misspelling. WAY TO TRUMPET YOUR JOURNALISTIC STANDARDS GUYS.

47 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 12:17:54pm

re: #45 NJDhockeyfan

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LOL;

@GuradianUS

What is a guradian?

48 Bulworth  Apr 14, 2014 12:18:07pm
getting some push back in the comment section

How dare the commoners question the great instapundit?! ///

49 blueraven  Apr 14, 2014 12:18:34pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

“FredipusRex” doesn’t have a good grasp of reading comprehension.

LOL, true…But at least he is calling out the hypocrisy.

50 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 12:18:47pm

re: #47 b.d.

LOL;

@GuradianUS

What is a guradian?

It’s in the Game of Thrones somewhere…

51 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 12:19:23pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

This is the blog post Instapundit is linking to.

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Did it ever occur to that moron that maybe he ran in the Democratic primary knowing that turnout would be lower and that would favor him? And lol at calling the Democratic Party a home for Anti-Semitism. Yeah that’s why Jews are such staunch Democrats but wait idiots like this guy think Jewish voters are too stupid to know what’s good for them but don’t call them bigots.

52 Jayleia  Apr 14, 2014 12:19:34pm

re: #47 b.d.

Something in a poorly translated Chinese game.

53 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 12:19:35pm

re: #47 b.d.

LOL;

@GuradianUS

What is a guradian?

It’s a secret. Only Pulitzer Prize winners know what it means.

54 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 14, 2014 12:20:18pm

re: #46 klys

LOL at the misspelling. WAY TO TRUMPET YOUR JOURNALISTIC STANDARDS GUYS.

The “Grauniad”, as it was nicknamed in the UK, was known for its atrocious typos.

55 Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2014 12:20:18pm

re: #40 Lidane

Gee, ya think?

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To be fair, the authorities didn’t want to be accused of jumping the gun when the case goes to trial. In addition, the definition of a hate crime varies (state code vs. what’s reported to the FBI, etc.), so they might have wanted to double check the state’s code to make sure they weren’t accused of biasing the jury with pretrial statements.

56 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 12:21:06pm

Heh.

57 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 12:22:05pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

And when he lost that race, he later ran in the Republican primary for Senate.

Yep bigots like Miller and David Duke run in both parties. The guy’s a rightist. Trying to call him left wing is typical of the No True Conservative Scotsman fallacy that hacks like this guy do time and time again. Really, these people rail on the left for embracing diversity and yet they want to blame us for white supremacism because the Democratic Party was a white supremacist party in the 1870’s but yet they want us to ignore the fact that Nixon and Reagan both heavily courted the old Dixiecrat vote. You’re not going to see many liberals or leftists with a CSA flag on their car. Rightists OTOH…….

58 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 12:22:38pm

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

It’s a secret. Only Pulitzer Prize winners know what it means.

I thought it was some sort of stinky, spiky fruit?

59 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 12:24:00pm

re: #45 NJDhockeyfan

60 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 12:24:22pm

Somehow?

61 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 14, 2014 12:27:05pm

re: #58 b.d.

I thought it was some sort of stinky, spiky fruit?

Guava aren’t like that. Though, of course, you’re referring to the infamous durian.

62 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 12:27:31pm

re: #61 Feline Fearless Leader

Guava aren’t like that. Though, of course, you’re referring to the infamous durian.

That’s it!

63 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 12:28:26pm

re: #60 b.d.

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Somehow?

Fat fingers.

64 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 12:34:32pm

Ukraine must be preparing for a major Russian invasion. Hard to believe they have to ask for medical supplies via twitter like this.

65 dog philosopher  Apr 14, 2014 12:39:40pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

This is the blog post Instapundit is linking to.

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they might as well give up on this crap since it’s clear to anyone who isn’t working overtime on their denial and rationalizations where the center of racism in american politics is today

66 wrenchwench  Apr 14, 2014 12:39:57pm

Son of ‘Race Traitor’ [F. Glenn Miller] Killed After Shooting Officer [2008]

Frazier Glenn Miller, who once went to prison for refusing to shut down his paramilitary White Patriot Party, wrote in a blog post that he doesn’t know why his son shot the “white man” who had pulled over to help him after a traffic accident.

But that didn’t stop Miller from naming a scapegoat: the Springfield, Mo., Police Department.

The shooting was part of a bizarre string of events on March 28 that began with a car accident and culminated in the death of Miller’s son, Jesse. Early that afternoon, an SUV driven by Jesse Miller, 30, hit a pick-up truck in Marionville, Mo. When Joseph M. Rich, 55, stopped to offer assistance, Jesse Miller killed him with a shotgun he had in his vehicle. Soon afterward, a Marionville, Mo., police officer arrived and ordered Miller to put down his weapon. Miller responded by shooting the officer, who then shot Miller dead. The officer, Andy Clark, suffered a non-life threatening shoulder wound.

[…]

67 S'latch  Apr 14, 2014 12:40:34pm

How weird. I clicked on the video link at it started playing BALAGUSTO | Double-Bass Solo by Adam Ben Ezra.

68 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 12:41:12pm

re: #65 dog philosopher

they might as well give up on this crap since it’s clear to anyone who isn’t working overtime on their denial and rationalizations where the center of racism in american politics is today

I think all they see is party registration and think presto that person’s a liberal. Well their idol Reagan was a registered Dem until ‘64 and many of the old dixiecrats that Nixon and Reagan brought into the GOP tent never actually formally switched.

69 GunstarGreen  Apr 14, 2014 12:41:25pm

re: #52 Jayleia

Something in a poorly translated Chinese game.

Japanese, actually. And not poorly translated.

The グラディウス, or Gradius games (transliterated as “gurahdius”) were a series of excellent shoot-em-up games from the arcades, spanning from the 80s into the mid-00s.

DESTROY THE CORE!

70 Ian G.  Apr 14, 2014 12:41:57pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

This is the blog post Instapundit is linking to.

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Can someone explain the “Democrat Party” weirdness that always comes along with this kind of deranged right-wing gibberish? Is there something wrong with saying “Democratic Party” that I’m not getting among right-wing true believers?

I’m guessing the answer is going to be something unbelievably childish and stupid.

71 S'latch  Apr 14, 2014 12:42:49pm

Also, he was interviewed by Howard Stern, apparently just weeks before David Parkman interviewed him. It appears that David Parkman took some of his questions from Howard Stern.

Youtube Video

73 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 12:43:33pm

re: #70 Ian G.

Can someone explain the “Democrat Party” weirdness that always comes along with this kind of deranged right-wing gibberish? Is there something wrong with saying “Democratic Party” that I’m not getting among right-wing true believers?

I’m guessing the answer is going to be something unbelievably childish and stupid.

It’s something I believe popularized by Limbaugh. Never really annoyed me that much personally but i do agree that it is childish.

74 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 12:43:52pm

Last night

This morning

75 Charles Johnson  Apr 14, 2014 12:43:55pm

re: #70 Ian G.

Can someone explain the “Democrat Party” weirdness that always comes along with this kind of deranged right-wing gibberish? Is there something wrong with saying “Democratic Party” that I’m not getting among right-wing true believers?

I’m guessing the answer is going to be something unbelievably childish and stupid.

Democrat Party (Epithet)

“Democrat Party” is a political epithet used in the United States for the Democratic Party. The term has been used in negative or hostile fashion by conservative commentators and members of the Republican Party in party platforms, partisan speeches and press releases since 1940.[1]

Multiple reasons are suggested for the use of the term. A 1984 New York Times article suggested Republicans began to use the term when Democrats used their own party name to imply “they are the only true adherents of democracy.”[2] Republicans “feared that ‘Democratic’ suggested Democrats [had] a monopoly on or are somehow the anointed custodians of the concept of democracy.”[3] New Yorker commentator Hendrik Hertzberg wrote, “There’s no great mystery about the motives behind this deliberate misnaming. ‘Democrat Party’ is a slur, or intended to be—a handy way to express contempt. Aesthetic judgments are subjective, of course, but ‘Democrat Party’ is jarring verging on ugly. It fairly screams ‘rat.’”[4] Political analyst Charlie Cook attributed modern use of the term to force of habit rather than a deliberate epithet by Republicans.[5] Ruth Marcus stated that Republicans likely only continue to employ the term because Democrats dislike it.[6] Marcus stated that disagreements over use of the term are “trivial”,[6] and Hertzberg calls use of the term “a minor irritation” and also “the partisan equivalent of flashing a gang sign.”

76 GunstarGreen  Apr 14, 2014 12:46:20pm

re: #74 Kragar

They really don’t get that whole “taxation without representation” concept, do they? Tea taxes weren’t the issue, it was the collection of taxes while simultaneously giving them no say in parliament.

77 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 12:47:15pm

re: #76 GunstarGreen

They really don’t get that whole “taxation without representation” concept, do they? Tea taxes weren’t the issue, it was the collection of taxes while simultaneously giving them no say in parliament.

I also like how she thinks the Founding Fathers fought against the Whiskey tax

78 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 12:47:26pm

What a lot of people on the right refuse to admit is that their hostility to things like socialism was in part rooted in Anti-Semitism. That of course does not mean all Jews are leftists but rather that anti-semites used the fact that early socialists like Marx himself were Jewish as a means of strumming up hate.

79 kirkspencer  Apr 14, 2014 12:47:34pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

It’s something I believe popularized by Limbaugh. Never really annoyed me that much personally but i do agree that it is childish.

emphasis on the last three letters, separating and often silencing the hard c.

80 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 12:48:52pm

re: #77 Kragar

I also like how she thinks the Founding Fathers fought against the Whiskey tax

Hell Washington rode out there himself during the rebellion. The founders problem as GG just got at was that they weren’t being given any representation in the British parliament. That hasn’t been the problem here. These people have representation which is something the colonists did not have in the years leading up to the revolution.

81 GunstarGreen  Apr 14, 2014 12:51:31pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Mm-hmm.

As is SOP for the GOP these days, those that are the most outraged about US history / the constitution / the founders / taxes / etc. are those that objectively know the least about those things. For people who spend so much time talking about “patriotism” and “the principles of Our Great Nation™”, they sure don’t know jack shit about either of those things.

82 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 12:51:34pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

These people have representation which is something the colonists did not have in the years leading up to the revolution.

LIES! We are being persecuted and oppressed by Obummer!

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83 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 12:52:53pm
84 wrenchwench  Apr 14, 2014 12:53:07pm

re: #65 dog philosopher

they might as well give up on this crap since it’s clear to anyone who isn’t working overtime on their denial and rationalizations where the center of racism in american politics is today

Instapundit is the CEO of denial and rationalizations of where the center of racism in american politics is today.

85 wrenchwench  Apr 14, 2014 12:54:56pm

re: #83 Lidane

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It’s the same rhetoric from the bottom to the top; from those who are all talk to those who kill people.

86 Ian G.  Apr 14, 2014 12:55:13pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Thanks. Yup, unbelievably childish and stupid as I suspected.

87 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 12:58:58pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

Instapundit is the CEO of denial and rationalizations of where the center of racism in american politics is today.

Yeah you ask people like that to explain if the Dems are such a racist and anti-semitic party why do racial minorities and Jews continue to support the Dems and you get some racially patronizing response about the “Dem plantation” because you know supporting a political party is just like slavery or how American Jews don’t know what’s best for them.

88 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 1:07:01pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Yeah you ask people like that to explain if the Dems are such a racist and anti-semitic party why do racial minorities and Jews continue to support the Dems and you get some racially patronizing response about the “Dem plantation” because you know supporting a political party is just like slavery or how American Jews don’t know what’s best for them.

Free stuffs! All that glorious Obama free stuffs!

89 wrenchwench  Apr 14, 2014 1:07:29pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Yeah you ask people like that to explain if the Dems are such a racist and anti-semitic party why do racial minorities and Jews continue to support the Dems and you get some racially patronizing response about the “Dem plantation” because you know supporting a political party is just like slavery or how American Jews don’t know what’s best for them.

That’s one thing Libertarians seem to be good at— being patronizing.

90 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 14, 2014 1:07:33pm

We here at the Conspiracy Compound (my dog, cats, and I) have received intelligence that the Lubbock County Republican Party has quietly been purging the more outspoken antisemites and Birchers from its ranks, or at least from prominent positions. Several of these people were on the committee that wrote the notorious 2012 Lubbock GOP platform.
This will drive the kooks into the local Libertarian branch, whose chair-crank has said for the record that Russia Today is the only reliable media outlet in the world.

91 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 1:07:54pm

O_o

92 Jayleia  Apr 14, 2014 1:08:02pm

re: #69 GunstarGreen

I think I dropped a few…rolls of quarters into that one

93 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 1:08:24pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

That’s one thing Libertarians seem to be good at— being patronizing.

Yep. And god forbid if you don’t think Ron Paul is the best thing ever or the free market always works.

94 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 1:08:59pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

Free stuffs! All that glorious Obama free stuffs!

I swear I could die a happy man if I never got to hear wingnuts whining about “free stuff” ever again.

95 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 1:11:15pm

Ted Nugent is officially one year past his promise

96 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 14, 2014 1:11:43pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

Yep. And god forbid if you don’t think Ron Paul is the best thing ever or the free market always works.

Best answer to the second claim: Microsoft. They dominate the market in the face of competition that not only has superior products but that often gives them away for free. It’s as though Chevrolet continued to flourish when you could get a Lexus for nothing.

97 dog philosopher  Apr 14, 2014 1:12:17pm

re: #70 Ian G.

Can someone explain the “Democrat Party” weirdness that always comes along with this kind of deranged right-wing gibberish? Is there something wrong with saying “Democratic Party” that I’m not getting among right-wing true believers?

I’m guessing the answer is going to be something unbelievably childish and stupid.

they justify it by saying that they want to distinguish between the adjective ‘democratic’ small ‘d’ and an adjective describing party affiliation, but in reality it’s just a way to describe the democratic party in an insulting way that reaffirms one’s identity as an ignorant person who’s childish enough to enjoy referring to other people that way

98 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 1:13:26pm

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel

Best answer to the second claim: Microsoft. They dominate the market in the face of competition that not only has superior products but that often gives them away for free. It’s as though Chevrolet continued to flourish when you could get a Lexus for nothing.

Well these aren’t reasonable people. These are people who listen to hacks like Von Mises who want us only to focus on theory and ignore real world results. As I’ve said before, my biggest kick with Libertarians is seeing how deeply idealistic and naive they really are. They really seem to think that the country would be fine if we just did things their way.

99 dog philosopher  Apr 14, 2014 1:15:33pm

re: #15 KerFuFFler

Yeah, I listened to his nonsensical rant about how Jews control everything and just like every time I hear this bullshit I wondered where my portion of all this vast wealth and power is. But I guess I don’t have to have any of this to be guilty because all Jews are collectively guilty for everything that any of them does. These Jew-haters are also happy to point out that “the Jews invented communism”. Sure, Marx may have had Jewish ancestry but just how did all of us collectively invent communism?

This crap really pisses me off and my heart goes out to moderates in the Muslim community that are also treated as guilty parties every time a jihadist somewhere causes mayhem, violence and death.

nu, landsman, since einstein and oppenhiemer were both jewish let’s just all of us take credit for winning WWII

100 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 14, 2014 1:21:59pm

The Oafkeepers are taking aim at the Southern Poverty Law Center:

It’s Official: Southern Poverty Law Center Is Now Part of DHS (freep re-post)

Their reasoning (such as it is) has to do with the SPLC honcho being appointed to the DHS’s Working Group on Countering Violent Extremism, an advisory body made up of outsiders.

101 Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2014 1:24:37pm

re: #100 Shiplord Kirel

The Oafkeepers are taking aim at the Southern Poverty Law Center:

It’s Official: Southern Poverty Law Center Is Now Part of DHS (freep re-post)

Their reasoning (such as it is) has to do with the SPLC honcho being appointed to the DHS’s Working Group on Countering Violent Extremism, an advisory body made up of outsiders.

I thought the SPLC was being blacklisted by the government (or whatever).

It’s hard to keep track of the wingnut memes.

102 Timothy Watson  Apr 14, 2014 1:27:52pm

re: #100 Shiplord Kirel

The Oafkeepers are taking aim at the Southern Poverty Law Center:

It’s Official: Southern Poverty Law Center Is Now Part of DHS (freep re-post)

Their reasoning (such as it is) has to do with the SPLC honcho being appointed to the DHS’s Working Group on Countering Violent Extremism, an advisory body made up of outsiders.

Funniest wingnut:

I have a fax machine ,, can I name the New Black Panthers a hate group and join the DHS?

SPLC already beat you to it moron.

103 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Apr 14, 2014 1:34:24pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

It’s something I believe popularized by Limbaugh. Never really annoyed me that much personally but i do agree that it is childish.

It’s much older than Limbaugh though. I remember seeing in in Republican Party publications from the Nixon era.


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