Right Wing Bloggers Immediately Started Portraying the Kansas Neo-Nazi Shooter as a “Democrat”

They do it every time a right winger kills people
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One of the bizarre exercises right wing bloggers love to engage in after a far right nutjob kills some people: find some way to paint the killer as a “liberal” or a “Democrat.” If the criminal in question ever registered as a Democrat in his/her life, they’ll dig it up; and if he/she ever ran for office as a Democrat (even if it was without official party approval, and even if they ran as a Republican on other occasions), they’ll trumpet that to the universe.

It’s as predictable as the sunrise; they do it every single time, no matter how ludicrous their arguments are. I believe it’s some kind of reflexive defense mechanism, because they can’t rationally believe anyone is falling for this stuff, including themselves.

So of course, this was a high priority for the right wing blogosphere after far right neo-Nazi Frazier Glenn Miller allegedly murdered three people at Jewish community centers in Kansas. Glenn Reynolds was only one of many to push this nonsensical propaganda: KANSAS CITY SHOOTER IS FORMER DEMOCRAT GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE, KLANSMAN.

Okay, they pushed the Democrat part down a ways in the story. Can you imagine the glee at the SPLC, though? They’ll fundraise off this for a decade.

UPDATE: Ran for Congress as a Democrat in 2006, too. Doubt the press will play this up much. Say, did you know that Fred Phelps was a Democrat?

Here’s the blog post by “American Power” that Reynolds is linking to in his update, a marvelous example of the subtle, nuanced wingnut blogger thought process. (I use the word “thought” loosely here.)

In point of fact, Miller is absolutely, without any doubt, a lunatic of the far right persuasion; he’s an admirer of Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul, and a long-time participant in far right and white supremacist causes. The only universe in which he’s “liberal” is the strange parallel universe of the wingnut blogosphere.

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268 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 1:18:39pm

It’s typical of the right wing blogosphere. I don’t think Glenn Miller was a typical conservative for what it’s worth but the man was a rightist and conservative bloggers need to stop using these tragedies to attack liberals. Miller was a far rightist. They need to acknowledge the fact that Anti-Semitism and racism is a larger part of mainstream right wing thought then it is in mainstream left wing thought but that would require realizing that conservatism has some flaws with it so they won’t do it.

2 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 1:20:39pm

Lots of crazy people were democrats once; Ronald Reagan, Rick Perry, Zell Miller, etc…..

3 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 1:20:58pm

Every mass murdering fuckwit is guilty of being a Democrat until proven a lone wolf.

4 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 1:22:19pm

You can call yourself anything; it’s the ideas you hold and believe that count.

Whatever he called himself whenever he ran for some kind of office, Miller was a racist and neo-Nazi first and foremost. Any fool could see that.

5 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 1:23:24pm

I saw the picture of his truck too, he drove a Chevy and you know about people who drive Chevys…

//

6 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 1:23:44pm

re: #2 b.d.

Lots of crazy people were democrats once, Ronald Reagan, Rick Perry, Zell Miller, etc…..

Yep. You can’t just use party registration and say that “proves he was a so and so!.” David Duke has run for office as a member of both parties. Using this twisted logic, Duke was a liberal and then he was a conservative within a year of his being a liberal. What hacks like this guy won’t tell you is that bigots like Miller will often run as members of either party when they feel turnout will be light and allow them to get nominated. White supremacist is and has always been a cornerstone of rightist ideology. Whether that person who is one calls himself a Democrat or Republican doesn’t matter. IT’s a right wing ideology and to spin otherwise is desperate for partisan hacks who refuse to acknowledge that their ideology has flaws.

7 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 1:23:54pm

What you did wasn’t a “role” in govt, Eddie. Unless you call stealing a “role”.

Edward Snowden on Washington Post, Guardian US winning Pulitzer Prize: ‘Today’s decision is a vindication for everyone who believes that the public has a role in government’ - @guardian
read more on theguardian.com

Go cry a little bit in your vodka.

8 Decatur Deb  Apr 14, 2014 1:24:42pm

The people who need to know who the Klan are, know who the Klan are.

9 Randall Gross  Apr 14, 2014 1:28:27pm

What does Glen Reynolds make from the cross he and his white power gang used to wear on their berets when they marched?

10 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 14, 2014 1:30:03pm

Someone mentioned this game on the last thread. Awesome times.

I hate that video games have become so easy. Gradius is from a time where you didn’t have a checkpoint/save point every 30 seconds and a giant health meter to get through the level. Gradius was hardcore, like “screw up once and you’re done” hardcore. The original Contra Series was like that too.

I was playing an old Game boy game a few nights ago and I’d forgotten how hectic it could be when you have one life left and you’ve made so much progress and you’re just sweating bullets, trying desperately to get to the next save spot without dying and having to start all over again.

Nowadays, it doesn’t matter if you die, because you’ll restart about five screens back from where you died.

Were the old games sadistic? Maybe but gosh they were so much fun and they sure kept you coming back for more.

11 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 14, 2014 1:30:46pm

Two (sides) can play this silly game: Alferd Packer the famous Republican cannibal

12 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 1:34:14pm
13 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 1:34:26pm

re: #11 Shiplord Kirel

Two (sides) can play this silly game: Alferd Packer the famous Republican cannibal

Ted Bundy was a Rockefeller delegate and actually worked for the Republican governor of Washington state ergo the Republican Party of Washington state condones necrophila and pretending to have your arm in a sling to trap young women. Seriously this shit is just silly.The guy is a neo-nazi. He represents your average right of center person as well as Stalin represented your average left of center one.

14 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 1:36:51pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No Lawrence O’Donnell? MSNBC needs to find a kinfolk of someone famous quickly to fill that slot.

15 Romantic Heretic  Apr 14, 2014 1:39:30pm

These people really do not regard history as movement, do they?

16 kirkspencer  Apr 14, 2014 1:41:56pm

re: #15 Romantic Heretic

These people really do not regard history as movement, do they?

Are you certain you want the answer to that question?

17 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 1:46:34pm

2014 Pulitzer winners in journalism and arts

bigstory.ap.org

18 Bulworth  Apr 14, 2014 1:49:17pm

Heh, Obama trolling the RWNJs again:

President Obama pulled a surprise move Monday at the White House’s Easter Prayer Breakfast when he selected Gene Robinson to lead the closing prayer. Robinson is famously known as the first openly gay Episcopal bishop.

mediaite.com

Wingnut heads to explode in 5…4…3….

19 wrenchwench  Apr 14, 2014 1:51:13pm

Frazier Glenn Miller Cross is a human being. I am a human being. We share that. I know that we humans have great capacity for love and for hate. Even after he killed fellow humans out of hate, I cannot kick Miller out of the human club. It hardly matters what political parties he has participated in.

Glenn Reynolds is more comfortable with a non-Republican murderer. He’s happy to point out Miller’s participation with Democrats. I bet he wishes he could kick Miller out of the human club.

If Reynolds can’t see his shared humanity with this murderer, he can’t understand how to stop these murders before they start. We need to stop ‘othering’ each other. Both these Glenns make that a tough job.

20 Ian G.  Apr 14, 2014 1:52:43pm

Of course it’s a reflexive defense mechanism. It’s there to ensure that none of the right-wing media industrial complex has to do any soul-searching when someone actually takes their “revolution! Obama is a traitor and tyrant!” rhetoric seriously and starts shooting.

It reminds me of radical Muslim clerics blaming terrorist act by a Muslim on Jews or the Mossad. It’s an attempt to wash the guilt away from their fire-breathing sermons that some dumbass took seriously.

21 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 1:53:07pm

re: #19 wrenchwench

Frazier Glenn Miller Cross is a human being. I am a human being. We share that. I know that we humans have great capacity for love and for hate. Even after he killed fellow humans out of hate, I cannot kick Miller out of the human club. It hardly matters what political parties he has participated in.

Glenn Reynolds is more comfortable with a non-Republican murderer. He’s happy to point out Miller’s participation with Democrats. I bet he wishes he could kick Miller out of the human club.

If Reynolds can’t see his shared humanity with this murderer, he can’t understand how to stop these murders before they start. We need to stop ‘othering’ each other. Both these Glenns make that a tough job.

Wonderfully said. Wish I could upding more. Totally agree. “Othering” each other does nothing good.

22 Ian G.  Apr 14, 2014 1:54:00pm

re: #4 Justanotherhuman

You can call yourself anything; it’s the ideas you hold and believe that count.

Exactly. Lincoln and TR and probably Eisenhower would be Democrats today. And “Democrats” like Nathan Bedford Forrest would be holding rallies for Ted Cruz.

23 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 1:56:31pm
24 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 1:57:32pm

Science, how does it work, again?
It’s getting tiresome…

25 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 1:58:04pm

re: #22 Ian G.

Exactly. Lincoln and TR and probably Eisenhower would be Democrats today. And “Democrats” like Nathan Bedford Forrest would be holding rallies for Ted Cruz.

They just see party label and ignore nuances like that there can be a liberal Republican and conservative Democrat. Those Southern Democrats that they love to claim are representative of the whole Democratic party that opposed Civil Rights? Well guess what wingnuts, they were conservatives and they were proud of it. It wasn’t just civil rights that they hated but the New Deal too and things like labor unions.

26 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 1:58:35pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

Science, how does it work, again?
It’s getting tiresome…

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I wonder when does Hagee’s audience realize that he’s a conniving charlatan.

27 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 2:01:40pm

re: #15 Romantic Heretic

These people really do not regard history as movement, do they?

These are the same jabbering morans who will tell you that the Constitution is dead.

28 dog philosopher  Apr 14, 2014 2:03:41pm

wiksterpedia

Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr. (b. Nov 23, 1940), commonly known as Glenn Miller, Fraiser Glenn Cross Jr., or Rounder[1], is a former leader of the defunct North Carolina-based White Patriot Party (formerly known as the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan). Convicted of criminal charges related to weapons and violation of an injunction against paramilitary activity, he is a perennial candidate[2] for public office. He is an advocate of white nationalism, white separatism, and anti-Semitic theories; and a critic of homosexuality and Third World immigration into historically White nations

clearly all democratic party positions

During his time as leader of the WPP, he unsuccessfully sought both the Democratic Party’s 1984 nomination for Governor of North Carolina,[8] and the 1986 Republican Party’s nomination for a seat in the United States Senate

converted from democrat to republican just like a certain ‘ronald reagan’ you might have heard of…

29 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 2:05:09pm

re: #28 dog philosopher

wiksterpedia

Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr. (b. Nov 23, 1940), commonly known as Glenn Miller, Fraiser Glenn Cross Jr., or Rounder[1], is a former leader of the defunct North Carolina-based White Patriot Party (formerly known as the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan). Convicted of criminal charges related to weapons and violation of an injunction against paramilitary activity, he is a perennial candidate[2] for public office. He is an advocate of white nationalism, white separatism, and anti-Semitic theories; and a critic of homosexuality and Third World immigration into historically White nations

clearly all democratic party positions

During his time as leader of the WPP, he unsuccessfully sought both the Democratic Party’s 1984 nomination for Governor of North Carolina,[8] and the 1986 Republican Party’s nomination for a seat in the United States Senate

Yeah sounds like a totally mainstream Democrat. Maybe Obama should appoint him to the federal judiciary.//

30 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 2:05:10pm

re: #19 wrenchwench

Frazier Glenn Miller Cross is a human being. I am a human being. We share that. I know that we humans have great capacity for love and for hate. Even after he killed fellow humans out of hate, I cannot kick Miller out of the human club. It hardly matters what political parties he has participated in.

Glenn Reynolds is more comfortable with a non-Republican murderer. He’s happy to point out Miller’s participation with Democrats. I bet he wishes he could kick Miller out of the human club.

If Reynolds can’t see his shared humanity with this murderer, he can’t understand how to stop these murders before they start. We need to stop ‘othering’ each other. Both these Glenns make that a tough job.

I want him in the club, too, because he epitomizes everything that’s bad about the kind of hate for those not like himself he has espoused for so many years and how it will eventually make you kill.

If that is the kind of human being some want to be, then they need to be held accountable for their crimes and suffer the punishment for them.

31 Bulworth  Apr 14, 2014 2:06:56pm

Yeah but when has Hagee ever been wrong? Except for that one time. And the time before that. And the time after that. And all those other times.

32 EPR-radar  Apr 14, 2014 2:08:33pm

re: #20 Ian G.

Of course it’s a reflexive defense mechanism. It’s there to ensure that none of the right-wing media industrial complex has to do any soul-searching when someone actually takes their “revolution! Obama is a traitor and tyrant!” rhetoric seriously and starts shooting.

It reminds me of radical Muslim clerics blaming terrorist act by a Muslim on Jews or the Mossad. It’s an attempt to wash the guilt away from their fire-breathing sermons that some dumbass took seriously.

This x100.

The right wing noise machine frequently gets into stochastic terrorism rhetoric (e.g., the murder of Dr. Tiller, abetted by Bill O’Reilly with high probability).

As usual, they want it both ways —- they like the effect their rhetoric has on making the US less governable (e.g., the Bundy ranch mess), while denying the existence of violent kooks on the right that are triggered by such rhetoric.

33 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 2:09:22pm

re: #32 EPR-radar

This x100.

The right wing noise machine frequently gets into stochastic terrorism rhetoric (e.g., the murder of Dr. Tiller, abetted by Bill O’Reilly with high probability).

As usual, they want it both ways —- they like the effect their rhetoric has on making the US less governable (e.g., the Bundy ranch mess), while denying the existence of violent kooks on the right that are triggered by such rhetoric.

Precisely.

34 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 2:10:18pm

What an incredible liar.

More: Kremlin says President Putin tells President Obama that allegations of Russian interference in southeast Ukraine ‘based on inaccurate information’ - @markknoller
see original on twitter.com
Ukraine, Russia political crisis

4m
Kremlin: President Putin urged President Obama to discourage the Ukrainian government from using force against protesters in the country’s east - @jpaceDC
see original on twitter.com

35 Dr Lizardo  Apr 14, 2014 2:17:30pm

re: #34 Justanotherhuman

What an incredible liar.

More: Kremlin says President Putin tells President Obama that allegations of Russian interference in southeast Ukraine ‘based on inaccurate information’ - @markknoller
see original on twitter.com
Ukraine, Russia political crisis

4m
Kremlin: President Putin urged President Obama to discourage the Ukrainian government from using force against protesters in the country’s east - @jpaceDC
see original on twitter.com

If I were President, my response would be Youtube Video

36 goddamnedfrank  Apr 14, 2014 2:18:36pm
Bundy Ranch ‘Militia’ Considered Using Women As Human Shield

“We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front,” Mack said in a Fox News clip pulled by The Blaze. “If they are going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.”

37 thedopefishlives  Apr 14, 2014 2:18:56pm

re: #34 Justanotherhuman

What an incredible liar.

More: Kremlin says President Putin tells President Obama that allegations of Russian interference in southeast Ukraine ‘based on inaccurate information’ - @markknoller
see original on twitter.com
Ukraine, Russia political crisis

4m
Kremlin: President Putin urged President Obama to discourage the Ukrainian government from using force against protesters in the country’s east - @jpaceDC
see original on twitter.com

In Soviet Russia, bullshit calls you.

Evening Lizardim.

38 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 2:21:16pm
39 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 2:21:51pm

Paul Carr and The Pando guys have really pushed some buttons over at The Intercept , the post itself is there because of the Pando article and the commenters are going livid over the dude.

Way to drink their milkshake Pando.

40 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 14, 2014 2:22:23pm

He who has ears, let him hear:

Sen. Reid on Cattle Battle: “It’s not over”

Senate majority leader Harry Reid hasn’t been very vocal about the cattle battle showdown in recent days, but says “it’s not over.”

Reid tells News4’s Samantha Boatman his take on the so-called cattle battle in southern Las Vegas. “Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over,” Reid said.

41 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 2:23:22pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

Such heroic noble douchebags.

42 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 2:24:05pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

Women are expendable to these types, that’s all; the women probably had no say-so in the matter.

Why shouldn’t LE think they were armed just like the men? Oh, right. They didn’t look like the women we see in gun porn, I suppose.

43 bratwurst  Apr 14, 2014 2:30:21pm

I am in my car during midday a few times per week, so I typically tune by Rush Limbaugh to find out which memes are currently in favor with the mouth breathing wing of the GOP. Today he was not only going with the anticipated “the shooter was a Democrat” angle (never mind that the SPLC states he also once ran for office as a Republican), he also asserted that Miller was “inspired” by Max Blumenthal’s anti-Israel book.

Well, as I mentioned yesterday I have a personal tie to this incident. Even beyond that, I am also a Jew who is extremely critical of the policies of Israel’s current government. While I think the Blumenthal book is largely garbage, I was physically disgusted by Limbaugh’s proposition that one could possibly draw a direct line between criticism of Israel by a Jew and people being shot at a Jewish Community Center.

I am sure this is ultimately just another way to blame Obama (as has been done by many idiots like this guy), but this is also yet another low point in Limbaugh’s career of assholery.

44 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 2:30:23pm

Ran across this quite by accident looking for something else. Sort of fits in with this discussion ‘cause you know these people are prepared. ; )

SURVIVAL FOOD (in case of GOD’s judgement, natural disaster, etc) - $60 (Charlotte, Western Carolina)

“If you are low on cash, we take trades for silver, gold, firearms, and ….”

Especially guns, no doubt.

charlotte.craigslist.org

45 Stanley Sea  Apr 14, 2014 2:31:38pm
46 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 14, 2014 2:31:58pm

re: #44 Justanotherhuman

I wonder if they would accept chickens :P

47 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 14, 2014 2:32:30pm

I just peeked in to take a break from my nonstop Passover preparations and…I just can’t even…

48 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 14, 2014 2:32:32pm

You know I’m a bit surprised George Zimmerman didn’t show up at the Bundy Ranch.

49 thedopefishlives  Apr 14, 2014 2:33:08pm

re: #48 Eclectic Cyborg

You know I’m a bit surprised George Zimmerman didn’t show up at the Bundy Ranch.

I was tempted to ask how we know he didn’t, but it would be abundantly obvious if he did. His massive ego wouldn’t let us not know.

50 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 14, 2014 2:33:47pm

I just have to get off my feet for 10 minutes, and then go back to making a bunch of egg noodles.

51 Stanley Sea  Apr 14, 2014 2:34:04pm

H/T Gus

52 thedopefishlives  Apr 14, 2014 2:34:16pm

re: #50 Pie-onist Overlord

I just have to get off my feet for 10 minutes, and then go back to making a bunch of egg noodles.

Oh and, my brand new car BITES. This is an issue that has to be reported to quality control.

Umm. It bites? I hope not very hard…

53 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 2:34:17pm

re: #43 bratwurst

I am in my car during midday a few times per week, so I typically tune by Rush Limbaugh to find out which memes are currently in favor with the mouth breathing wing of the GOP. Today he was not only going with the anticipated “the shooter was a Democrat” angle (never mind that the SPLC states he also once ran for office as a Republican), he also asserted that Miller was “inspired” by Max Blumenthal’s anti-Israel book.

Well, as I mentioned yesterday I have a personal tie to this incident. Even beyond that, I am also a Jew who is extremely critical of the policies of Israel’s current government. While I think the Blumenthal book is largely garbage, I was physically disgusted by Limbaugh’s proposition that one could possibly draw a direct line between criticism of Israel by a Jew and people being shot at a Jewish Community Center.

I am sure this is ultimately just another way to blame Obama (as has been done by many idiots like this guy), but this is also yet another low point in Limbaugh’s career of assholery.

Limbaugh’s one to talk given that he tried to claim that Wall Street reform was Anti-Semitic since you know all Jews are bankers. Limbaugh like most conservatives only cares about using Israel and Jews as a means of attacking the left. He could care less about Anti-Semitism. All Rush wants to is blame the left so his pathetic listeners can continue to delude themselves that all the world’s evils have been done by individuals left of center.

54 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 2:35:00pm

re: #45 Stanley Sea

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Of course Hannity would do that.

55 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 14, 2014 2:35:54pm

re: #52 thedopefishlives

Umm. It bites? I hope not very hard…

I didn’t mean BITES as in sucks or blows. I mean literally bites, if you stick your hand between the seats (like if you dropped your cell phone, like my daughter), you can slice up your hand on an exposed piece of metal.

56 thedopefishlives  Apr 14, 2014 2:36:55pm

re: #55 Pie-onist Overlord

I didn’t mean BITES as in sucks or blows. I mean literally bites, if you stick your hand between the seats (like if you dropped your cell phone, like my daughter), you can slice up your hand on an exposed piece of metal.

Yes, that’s exactly what I was asking. I figured you would’ve used a different word if it was just a lemon.

57 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 2:37:02pm
58 CuriousLurker  Apr 14, 2014 2:37:06pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

Bundy Ranch ‘Militia’ Considered Using Women As Human Shield

“We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front,” Mack said in a Fox News clip pulled by The Blaze. “If they are going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.”

A tactic worthy of the most scurrilous Third World terrorist. *spit*

59 Dr. Matt  Apr 14, 2014 2:37:49pm

re: #57 NJDhockeyfan

Ugh. I really, really, REALLY hate agreeing with Peter King.

60 thedopefishlives  Apr 14, 2014 2:38:07pm

re: #59 Dr. Matt

Ugh. I really, really, REALLY hate agreeing with Peter King.

Stopped clock, twice a day, etc., etc.

61 CuriousLurker  Apr 14, 2014 2:39:29pm

re: #47 Pie-onist Overlord

I just peeked in to take a break from my nonstop Passover preparations and…I just can’t even…

Forget about the crazies and enjoy Your holiday. Chag kasher v’same’ach.

62 Ian G.  Apr 14, 2014 2:42:41pm

re: #59 Dr. Matt

Ugh. I really, really, REALLY hate agreeing with Peter King.

This.

63 blueraven  Apr 14, 2014 2:43:13pm

re: #38 NJDhockeyfan

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huh?

I wouldnt put too much stock in that site

Russia-Ukraine Conflict (155 highlights, 5 fact checks, started 4 days ago)

supposedly crowd sourced and fact checked

64 dog philosopher  Apr 14, 2014 2:43:30pm

o.t.

Unfrozen Siberian Girlfriend, who is jewish on her father’s side, surprised me by demonstrating that it is possible to make gefilte fish that is very tasty and doesn’t at all require horseradish to make it palatable!

furthermore, i had always suspected that gefilte fish, as their name - “stuffed fish” - implies, were meant to be stuffed inside of fish like the stuffing in a turkey, and this appears to be correct since USG tells me that her bubbe back in rossiya, who she got the recipe from, used to serve it wrapped inside fish skins

65 Dr Lizardo  Apr 14, 2014 2:48:20pm

re: #47 Pie-onist Overlord

I just peeked in to take a break from my nonstop Passover preparations and…I just can’t even…

Don’t worry…..the loonies will be still be around after the holiday.

Happy Passover; enjoy the holiday.

66 darthstar  Apr 14, 2014 2:49:31pm

US Airways tweets pic of woman with toy plane stuck in her vagina. The following link is safe for work, but the offending pic was enough to make me blush.

washingtonpost.com

67 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 2:51:32pm
68 thedopefishlives  Apr 14, 2014 2:51:55pm

re: #47 Pie-onist Overlord

I just peeked in to take a break from my nonstop Passover preparations and…I just can’t even…

Don’t worry too much about the crazies. We got this. That’s what you keep us around for, remember?

69 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 14, 2014 2:54:33pm

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

[Embedded image]Were the old games sadistic? Maybe but gosh they were so much fun and they sure kept you coming back for more.

You want sadistic in modern games? It’s not as prevalent as it was 4 or 5 years ago, but it is often the case that checkpoint autosaves kick in right before an unskippable cinematic cutscene that plays out as the intro to a particularly difficult and/or long boss fight. So you get to the end of your 8 minute battle and die. Well, now you get to sit through the long-ass cutscene, go through the easy phases of the boss fight, get killed again in the hard part, rinse, repeat.

A similar practice that is equally annoying is the looooonnngg intro sequences to new games that can’t be skipped. I have been stopped from starting a new Fallout: New Vegas or Skyrim game from scratch when I remembered the long opening sequences I would have to sit through.

I really like these things the first time I play the game, but it would be nice if the game would realize that I’ve played it before and offered the choice to skip the dinner & movie and just head straight to the rubber sheets.

70 HappyWarrior  Apr 14, 2014 2:54:36pm

re: #67 Lidane

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Alex Jones but with a fatter ass and head.

71 CuriousLurker  Apr 14, 2014 2:55:17pm

re: #61 CuriousLurker

Forget about the crazies and enjoy Your holiday. Chag kasher v’same’ach.

BTW, this goes for all the lizard Juice. ;o)

72 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 2:56:41pm

new twitter account:

73 Ace-o-aces  Apr 14, 2014 2:58:24pm

The idiot Reynolds even links to a Daily Kos post that shows this wacko had zero support as a “Democrat”.

dailykos.com

74 The War TARDIS  Apr 14, 2014 3:02:38pm

OT, but I think I have some Doctor Who news. By inference.

nna’s costume for filming.

Looks Ike we are going back to GallIfrey. Also, Jenna looks stunning. My celebrity crush. :)

75 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 3:06:18pm

I am amused by all the pushback that Glenn Beck is getting from his mouth-breathing fanbase over his rejection of the gun fuckers descending on Bundy Ranch.

Here’s his latest FB post:

You want to make a difference? Your most powerful weapon is your right to vote — put down your gun and go grab a sign.

The comments are glorious.

76 makeitstop  Apr 14, 2014 3:06:38pm

re: #67 Lidane

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77 Targetpractice  Apr 14, 2014 3:08:35pm

re: #75 Lidane

I am amused by all the pushback that Glenn Beck is getting from his mouth-breathing fanbase over his rejection of the gun fuckers descending on Bundy Ranch.

Here’s his latest FB post:

You want to make a difference? Your most powerful weapon is your right to vote — put down your gun and go grab a sign.

The comments are glorious.

I considered posting a link from The Blaze yesterday, because the article pretty much stomps the “REID IS BEHIND IT ALL!” flat. And lays out that Bundy has no legitimate claim to the land or rights to use it.

78 goddamnedfrank  Apr 14, 2014 3:09:43pm

re: #75 Lidane

I am amused by all the pushback that Glenn Beck is getting from his mouth-breathing fanbase over his rejection of the gun fuckers descending on Bundy Ranch.

Here’s his latest FB post:

You want to make a difference? Your most powerful weapon is your right to vote — put down your gun and go grab a sign.

The comments are glorious.

I have to admit, I was not expecting this from Beck.

79 Stanley Sea  Apr 14, 2014 3:09:49pm

re: #75 Lidane

I am amused by all the pushback that Glenn Beck is getting from his mouth-breathing fanbase over his rejection of the gun fuckers descending on Bundy Ranch.

Here’s his latest FB post:

You want to make a difference? Your most powerful weapon is your right to vote — put down your gun and go grab a sign.

The comments are glorious.

Much conspiracy.

80 klys  Apr 14, 2014 3:10:11pm

re: #78 goddamnedfrank

I have to admit, I was not expecting this from Beck.

Sanity from that corner on this issue is rather inexplicable.

81 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 3:20:03pm

Interesting …

82 Charles Johnson  Apr 14, 2014 3:20:24pm

re: #80 klys

Sanity from that corner on this issue is rather inexplicable.

Don’t forget - Beck is being sued right now for defaming that Saudi student after the Boston bombings.

83 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 3:20:33pm
84 freetoken  Apr 14, 2014 3:20:51pm

re: #80 klys

It seems more Mormon of him. The LDS has been hyper aware of wild-west-fever given their own problems with their polygamist off-shoot groups’ tendency to be radical separatists .

85 klys  Apr 14, 2014 3:21:59pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

Don’t forget - Beck is being sued right now for defaming that Saudi student after the Boston bombings.

Perhaps I should rephrase my earlier statement: sanity from that corner on *any* issue is rather inexplicable.

86 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 3:23:59pm
87 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 3:24:13pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

Don’t forget - Beck is being sued right now for defaming that Saudi student after the Boston bombings.

This is a great point. Under normal circumstances, Beck would probably be leading the charge to Bundy Ranch himself. Getting sued has probably taken some of the wind out of his sails.

Still, it’s hilarious to watch him getting flamed as a RINO and a coward and a traitor for pushing back against the gun nuts.

88 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 3:29:47pm

re: #80 klys

Sanity from that corner on this issue is rather inexplicable.

Blind pig: acorn as Glenn Beck: Sanity

89 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 3:31:53pm
90 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 3:32:25pm
91 freetoken  Apr 14, 2014 3:33:35pm

Off topic, I know, but I need to rant about the website io9.

It’s crap, as far as science is concerned. It reminds me of the old days when porn publishers used to dip their toes into “science” publications.

Case point:

The Most Useful Animals on Earth Died Thousands of Years Ago

“Thousands” of years ago? Animals?

Gahhh…

First off, diatoms are forms of algae:
en.wikipedia.org

Secondly, the original and major sources of diatomaceous earth were continental, on dry land, meaning the diatoms lived long before “thousands” of years ago.
en.wikipedia.org

This fad of wanting to be “scientific” is just fashion worn by idiots.

92 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 3:37:30pm

re: #89 Kragar

Called it

littlegreenfootballs.com

Keen grasp of the obvious on that one, though.

93 makeitstop  Apr 14, 2014 3:41:26pm

And in other news, Rick Perry lawyers up.

Gov. Rick Perry has retained a high-profile Austin defense lawyer to represent him in a criminal investigation into whether he illegally withheld money from the Travis County district attorney’s office, the American-Statesman and KVUE-TV confirmed Sunday.

I hope all you Texans have your popcorn at the ready.

94 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 3:41:43pm
95 The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 14, 2014 3:42:36pm

Just like noted Democrat, Genghis Khan.

On a more serious note: fuck off, Nazis.

96 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 3:44:35pm

re: #90 NJDhockeyfan

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I can see it now - a Glenn Greenwald of the Forties, writing articles headlined “AEF Invades Coastal America!”, where after discussing the preparations made for the invasion of France, and how they could be used to invade America, in paragraph 18 he admits that he doesn’t have any evidence that this has happened, will happen or is even being contemplated.

Next, an article appears, headlined, “Eisenhower denies AEF invading America”, to be met with cries of “He WOULD say that!”

97 blueraven  Apr 14, 2014 3:54:07pm

RW freakout coming soon

Ohio regulators halt fracking site, drawing link to quakes

State geologists in Ohio have for the first time linked earthquakes in a geologic formation deep under the Appalachians to gas drilling, leading the state to issue new permit conditions in certain areas that are among the nation’s strictest.

A state investigation of five small tremors in the Youngstown area, in the Appalachian foothills, last month has found the high-pressure injection of sand and water that accompanies hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, in the Utica Shale may have increased pressure on a small, unknown fault, said State Oil & Gas Chief Rick Simmers. He called the link “probable.”

Read More…

98 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 14, 2014 3:54:21pm

Hate/lie driven movements have a history in this country of building to a climax of power then collapsing suddenly because of some high profile scandal or overreach. There was the revival KKK in the 20s, for example, and McCarthyism in the 50s. In both cases it was because their very success brought a flood of attention and critical coverage for which the basically small time grifters in charge were not prepared. They had gotten away with a lot and started thinking they could get away with anything, not realizing that the rules had changed along the way. I think that is how it will be with the whole far right gun-humper axis. They will overreach in the full glare of their new-found fame, and the sky will fall on them.

99 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 4:02:36pm

Oh boy, got a live one:

100 Targetpractice  Apr 14, 2014 4:03:39pm

re: #99 Kragar

Oh boy, got a live one:

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How can they be state fees when the land doesn’t belong to the state?

101 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 4:07:17pm
102 Targetpractice  Apr 14, 2014 4:09:14pm

Seriously, this “He offered to pay the state!” BS makes about as much sense as offering to pay your rent to the city instead of to your landlord.

103 Skip Intro  Apr 14, 2014 4:10:09pm

re: #87 Lidane

This is a great point. Under normal circumstances, Beck would probably be leading the charge to Bundy Ranch himself.

Hannity beat him to it - not to imply that Hannity would actually lead a charge anywhere other than to a good table in a good restaurant.

104 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 14, 2014 4:10:26pm

This image, posted by the Heat at a page, is open and shut evidence of a federal crime:

I wonder if Mr. Overpass Sniper is aware that he is just days or hours from being hustled away by an FBI SWAT team?

I think this will be the federal strategy in response to the Bundy standoff: ID as many of the terrorists as possible, then arrest them one at a time when they return to their hovels. This denies them their Waco style group martyr cookies, and will expose their associations, internet posts, and prior records individually for all to see.

105 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 4:12:51pm

re: #104 Shiplord Kirel

This image, posted by the Heat at a page, is open and shut evidence of a federal crime:

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I wonder if Mr. Overpass Sniper is aware that he is just days or hours from being hustled away by an FBI SWAT team?

I think this will be the federal strategy in response to the Bundy standoff: ID as many of the terrorists as possible, then arrest them one at a time when they return to their hovels. This denies them their Waco style group martyr cookies, and will expose their associations, internet posts, and prior records individually for all to see.

Here’s another angle of the same guy.

106 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 4:13:31pm

re: #102 Targetpractice

Seriously, this “He offered to pay the state!” BS makes about as much sense as offering to pay your rent to the city instead of to your landlord.

And even if Bundy had the option of paying the state, he’d be a moron to do so. The federal grazing fee is $1.35 per head of cattle. The Nevada state fees are $15.50 a head.

107 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 14, 2014 4:14:07pm

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s another angle of the same guy.

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Wow. Making the FBI’s job easy.

108 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 4:15:40pm

Now, I’ve hurt his feelings

109 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 4:16:42pm

re: #108 Kragar

Now, I’ve hurt his feelings

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Wow, any idiot really CAN get on the internet.

110 Skip Intro  Apr 14, 2014 4:18:54pm

Anybody remember this idiot from a couple of days ago?

Well,

Dutch Police Make Arrest In Teen Twitter Terror Threat

businessinsider.com

Too bad we don’t have the Dutch police here to arrest our home-grown terrorists.

However, proving that Stupid Never Sleeps (on Twitter, anyway),

Dozens of teenagers are now tweeting bomb jokes to American Airlines

washingtonpost.com

111 Skip Intro  Apr 14, 2014 4:20:01pm

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s another angle of the same guy.

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No shortage of pics of this asshole should the Feds be interested.

112 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 4:21:16pm

re: #109 GeneJockey

113 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 4:21:42pm

re: #111 Skip Intro

No shortage of pics of this asshole should the Feds be interested.

I count a minimum of 3 people having their picture taken taking his picture.

114 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 4:21:46pm

re: #111 Skip Intro

No shortage of pics of this asshole should the Feds be interested.

I’m pretty sure they will be. He was aiming a sniper rifle at the feds. If that’s not worth a visit from the FBI I don’t know what is.

115 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 4:25:32pm
116 darthstar  Apr 14, 2014 4:27:11pm
117 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 14, 2014 4:27:40pm

re: #114 Lidane

I’m pretty sure they will be. He was aiming a sniper rifle at the feds. If that’s not worth a visit from the FBI I don’t know what is.

Damn right. If he isn’t arrested we can kiss the rule of law good bye.

118 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 14, 2014 4:30:02pm

Dozens of armed fanatics point weapons at you in Afghanistan, call in an airstrike.
Same happens in Nevada, run away and let them celebrate on the internet.

This will not stand.

119 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 4:30:03pm
120 dog philosopher  Apr 14, 2014 4:31:42pm

From The Same Man Who Looked Into Putin’s Eyes And Saw His Soul

What if the United States has been waging the wrong war against the wrong enemy for the last 13 years in Afghanistan?

Pulitzer Prize-winning New York Times journalist Carlotta Gall, who spent more than a decade covering Afghanistan since 2001, concludes just that in her new book, “The Wrong Enemy: America in Afghanistan, 2001-2014.”
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Gall said that Pakistan’s leaders, and especially former President Pervez Musharraf, were “very clever” and tricked the United States into believing that Pakistan was an ally.

WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THAT PERSON THEY TRICKED, AGAIN???

121 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 4:32:30pm

re: #115 Kragar

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He probably thinks he scored points and owned you. This guy’s too stupid to know how stupid he is. This is what we’re up against. Not just ignorance - IMPENETRABLE ignorance, ignorance that wallows in its imperviousness.

122 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 4:33:35pm

re: #118 Shiplord Kirel

Dozens of armed fanatics point weapons at you in Afghanistan, call in an airstrike.
Same happens in Nevada, run away and let them celebrate on the internet.

This will not stand.

And let’s not bullshit ourselves here— if Bundy was named Benitez or Benavides, that same sniper would be on the bridge, but aiming at the rancher instead.

123 dog philosopher  Apr 14, 2014 4:33:43pm

re: #121 GeneJockey

He probably thinks he scored points and owned you. This guy’s too stupid to know how stupid he is. This is what we’re up against. Not just ignorance - IMPENETRABLE ignorance, ignorance that wallows in its imperviousness.

some people have amazing Powers of Ignorance

124 darthstar  Apr 14, 2014 4:33:58pm

So Snowden’s just a bullshit thief bullshitting, and Greenwald got everything he needed from him up front? Doesn’t make sense that Putin would grant him asylum, except as a personal ‘fuck you’ to President Obama.

125 Mike Lamb  Apr 14, 2014 4:34:12pm

I’ll play…I’ll concede that he’s a Democrat. Now refresh my memory on which party is trying to prevent guys like this from committing mass murder with a gun and which one would rather have their toe nails pulled out than even consider voting for the most benign gun restrictions?

126 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 4:35:16pm

re: #119 Kragar

Yeah, I gave up engaging that guy. I’ve blocked him. It’s not worth it, especially since he apparently thinks that “Liberal!” is an insult.

127 Jack Burton  Apr 14, 2014 4:36:05pm

re: #121 GeneJockey

He probably thinks he scored points and owned you. This guy’s too stupid to know how stupid he is. This is what we’re up against. Not just ignorance - IMPENETRABLE ignorance, ignorance that wallows in its imperviousness.

Willful ignorance. Faith-based “facts”. Weapons grade confirmation bias.

I think I need to drink more.

128 jaunte  Apr 14, 2014 4:36:12pm

re: #119 Kragar

I’ve never heard the “typical centipede Liberal” insult before.
These guys have been talking to themselves too long.

129 Mike Lamb  Apr 14, 2014 4:36:27pm

re: #126 Lidane

Yeah, I gave up engaging that guy. I’ve blocked him. It’s not worth it, especially since he apparently thinks that “Liberal!” is an insult.

Not just an insult THE insult. Some weird manifestation of Godwin’s law.

130 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 14, 2014 4:38:09pm

re: #125 Mike Lamb

I’ll play…I’ll concede that he’s a Democrat. Now refresh my memory on which party is trying to prevent guys like this from committing mass murder with a gun and which one would rather have their toe nails pulled out than even consider voting for the most benign gun restrictions?

Obviously we need gun control to keep dangerous Democrats from arming themselves and shooting the place up.
//
There seems to be no such thing as self awareness among RWNJs.

131 kirkspencer  Apr 14, 2014 4:38:26pm

re: #117 Shiplord Kirel

Damn right. If he isn’t arrested we can kiss the rule of law good bye.

No, sorry, but that photo is insufficient evidence of a crime.

Can you demonstrate where the BLM agents are in that shot? Are they in line with the rifle?

No?

Then it’s a photo op.

Now I know it’s what he intended, but the photo doesn’t prove it.

132 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 4:41:41pm

re: #131 kirkspencer

No, sorry, but that photo is insufficient evidence of a crime.

Can you demonstrate where the BLM agents are in that shot? Are they in line with the rifle?

No?

Then it’s a photo op.

Now I know it’s what he intended, but the photo doesn’t prove it.

He can explain that to all of the nice agents who question him over and over and over and over and over again.

133 Decatur Deb  Apr 14, 2014 4:42:50pm

re: #131 kirkspencer

No, sorry, but that photo is insufficient evidence of a crime.

Can you demonstrate where the BLM agents are in that shot? Are they in line with the rifle?

No?

Then it’s a photo op.

Now I know it’s what he intended, but the photo doesn’t prove it.

Careful—this photo is from a serious Threeper nutjob site. It shows the field of fire.

Image: screen-shot-2014-04-13-at-12-31-36-am1.png

134 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 14, 2014 4:43:53pm

re: #131 kirkspencer

No, sorry, but that photo is insufficient evidence of a crime.

Can you demonstrate where the BLM agents are in that shot? Are they in line with the rifle?

No?

Then it’s a photo op.

Now I know it’s what he intended, but the photo doesn’t prove it.

The BLM’s marked vehicles are clearly visible in the photo, and within the potential shooter’s line of sight. The threat is obvious and that is the crime. Don’t try this with your local police.

135 Charles Johnson  Apr 14, 2014 4:44:53pm

re: #128 jaunte

I’ve never heard the “typical centipede Liberal” insult before.
These guys have been talking to themselves too long.

That might have been started by Nick Searcy. Comparing liberals to the movie The Human Centipede is one of his fun humorous pastimes.

136 jaunte  Apr 14, 2014 4:45:35pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

Hurr.

137 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 4:46:11pm

re: #131 kirkspencer

No, sorry, but that photo is insufficient evidence of a crime.

Can you demonstrate where the BLM agents are in that shot? Are they in line with the rifle?

No?

Then it’s a photo op.

Now I know it’s what he intended, but the photo doesn’t prove it.

Another photo of the guy, and you can see the BLM as well.

Oops. DD beat me to it.

138 kirkspencer  Apr 14, 2014 4:49:12pm

re: #133 Decatur Deb

re: #134 Shiplord Kirel

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

Look again. The key is not the view you can see over the barricade, it’s the line available to the shooter through the gap.

139 Decatur Deb  Apr 14, 2014 4:50:10pm

re: #138 kirkspencer

Look again. The key is not the view you can see over the barricade, it’s the line available to the shooter through the gap.

I’m happy to let the pros sort it out.

140 iossarian  Apr 14, 2014 4:51:03pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

I’m happy to let the pros sort it out.

The path of bureaucracy is long, but it bends towards dispassionate but accurate application of the relevant rules and guidelines.

141 Decatur Deb  Apr 14, 2014 4:51:36pm

re: #140 iossarian

The path of bureaucracy is long, but it bends towards dispassionate but accurate application of the relevant rules and guidelines.

Sort of like a ballistic arc.

142 darthstar  Apr 14, 2014 4:52:14pm
143 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 4:52:15pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

That might have been started by Nick Searcy. Comparing liberals to the movie The Human Centipede is one of his fun humorous pastimes.

Yeah, the guy is a Searcy fan

144 iossarian  Apr 14, 2014 4:52:52pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

Sort of like a ballistic arc.

No, that’s: “The arc of the ICBM is long, but it BOOM!!! czxjkas

NO CARRIER

145 darthstar  Apr 14, 2014 4:53:12pm

re: #142 darthstar

#HolyWeek

Dude with the white beard on the right is all, “Whoa…shouldn’t have eaten that extra cap.”

146 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 4:53:31pm

If you look at the very first pic of this clown on this thread, and line up the gap with the scene below, you’ll see that he definitely has people in his potential line of fire, and that’s without allowing him any pivoting.

147 palmerskiss  Apr 14, 2014 4:53:33pm

thedailybeast.com

splcenter.org

Is it that the federal government is afraid of these ‘sovereign citizens’ and “white supremacists’ ?

can anyone explain why a pot conviction can carry 10, 20, 30, or more years in prison, but getting caught with explosives, twice, in an effort to commit warfare on your country, that jumping bond and becoming a fugitive, that stealing govt. property and land, and violating govt. statutes on grazing is worth no time?

if the answer is - the govt is afraid of these people - fair enough - get some cajones and do something about it…

if, it is not fear - then what is it? commiseration?

“Our research shows that racist killers are hiding among us in plain sight. A forthcoming two-year study by the SPLC will show that nearly 100 people in the last five years have been murdered by active users on another prominent racist website, stormfront.org.”

How many Americans have Al Qaeda killed on U.S. soil in the last 5 years? obviously the splc is hopping mad about this - they warned and warned and warned and the people charged with handling this - the federal govt, and local police seem impotent at best.

148 jaunte  Apr 14, 2014 4:54:10pm

That’s Peabody Award-Winner Mr. Nick Searcy to you, Lewis.

149 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 4:54:15pm

re: #143 Kragar

Yeah, the guy is a Searcy fan

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He haz a Peabody, you know…

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150 Mike Lamb  Apr 14, 2014 4:54:46pm

re: #138 kirkspencer

Look again. The key is not the view you can see over the barricade, it’s the line available to the shooter through the gap.

I think there’s a solid prima facie case of threatening a federal employee/officer. Put the burden on the jack ass to argue that he was “just funnin’”. I’d love to see him explain that…

151 Cheechako  Apr 14, 2014 4:55:48pm

Here’s my prediction of what the future holds for Mr. Bundy.

First, the BLM was very smart in backing down and avoiding an armed confrontation. I think the BLM did not anticipate the reaction they got and were not well prepared. All Federal law enforcement agencies are very aware of what happened at Waco and Ruby Ridge. No law enforcement agency/officer wants to be pushed into that type of situation.

In the near future, the head officials of the BLM Law Enforcement group will be meeting with the U.S. Attorney for Nevada along with Attorney’s from the Justice Department in DC. The FBI and possibly the U.S. Marshall’s Office will probably be involved. This group will develop the strategy on how to further to proceed. My guess is that they will go to a Federal Grand Jury and seek a Contempt of Court Indictment for Mr. Bundy’s failure to pay the court ordered fines. If this happens, Mr. Bundy will be stuck on his ranch for a long time as the Feds will avoid going on his land to arrest him.

As far as the “protestors” are concerned, I suspect several of the folks taking picture and video at the scene were actually taking pictures/videos of the people (and their vehicles) taking pictures/videos. Many will be identified. What the Feds do with this information is open to speculation. If they think they have solid cases, the Feds may present the evidence to the Federal Grand Jury and seek indictments for some of the involved individuals. For others the Feds may sit on the info and wait for further illegal actions before going to the grand jury. It’s just a matter of time before some of these nut cases will act out again.

As for the cattle are, they will not be going very far. The current drought will keep them very close to the limited water resources that will be available later this summer. This will make any future round-ups much easier.

152 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 14, 2014 4:56:21pm

re: #138 kirkspencer

Look again. The key is not the view you can see over the barricade, it’s the line available to the shooter through the gap.

Certainly. Rest assured that the FBI will be measuring all this. It appears to me that the line of the rifle through the gunman’s right shoulder points exactly at the abutment on the right side of the distant overpass. Only the barrel of the rifle protrudes into the gap, giving a lot of potential traverse. Where it can point, his eyes can point. If his only defense is that he couldn’t actually see the BLM a few degrees to the left of his sight line, he is on thin ice indeed.

153 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 4:56:38pm

re: #143 Kragar

Yeah, the guy is a Searcy fan

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Searcy is that guy with the pool, right?

154 Decatur Deb  Apr 14, 2014 5:00:16pm

re: #152 Shiplord Kirel

Certainly. Rest assured that the FBI will be measuring all this. It appears to me that the line of the rifle through the gunman’s right shoulder points exactly at the abutment on the right side of the distant overpass. Only the barrel of the rifle protrudes into the gap, giving a lot of potential traverse. Where it can point, his eyes can point. If his only defense is that he couldn’t actually see the BLM a few degrees to the left of his sight line, he is on thin ice indeed.

Needs moar ghillie suit.

155 klys  Apr 14, 2014 5:00:21pm

re: #150 Mike Lamb

I think there’s a solid prima facie case of threatening a federal employee/officer. Put the burden on the jack ass to argue that he was “just funnin’”. I’d love to see him explain that…

The problem is, in our judicial system, the burden is on the prosecution. Not the defense.

Hence the need for a preponderance of evidence required to preclude “reasonable doubt.”

Particularly in a case like this where I suspect a prosecutor has to be aware of the potential for jury nullification playing a role.

Sure, we can agitate that he should be arrested, but what I would really like to see is him arrested, charged, and convicted so that he loses his right to that gun in the future. Those pictures, although suggestive, are probably not sufficient by themselves to produce that result in a court of law, which is the one that matters for that particular result.

That being said, they certainly warrant further investigation and I am sure that federal agents are doing so.

156 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 5:01:05pm

re: #151 Cheechako

Here’s my prediction of what the future holds for Mr. Bundy.

First, the BLM was very smart in backing down and avoiding an armed confrontation. I think the BLM did not anticipate the reaction they got and were not well prepared. All Federal law enforcement agencies are very aware of what happened at Waco and Ruby Ridge. No law enforcement agency/officer wants to be pushed into that type of situation.

In the near future, the head officials of the BLM Law Enforcement group will be meeting with the U.S. Attorney for Nevada along with Attorney’s from the Justice Department in DC. The FBI and possibly the U.S. Marshall’s Office will probably be involved. This group will develop the strategy on how to further to proceed. My guess is that they will go to a Federal Grand Jury and seek a Contempt of Court Indictment for Mr. Bundy’s failure to pay the court ordered fines. If this happens, Mr. Bundy will be stuck on his ranch for a long time as the Feds will avoid going on his land to arrest him.

As far as the “protestors” are concerned, I suspect several of the folks taking picture and video at the scene were actually taking pictures/videos of the people (and their vehicles) taking pictures/videos. Many will be identified. What the Feds do with this information is open to speculation. If they think they have solid cases, the Feds may present the evidence to the Federal Grand Jury and seek indictments for some of the involved individuals. For others the Feds may sit on the info and wait for further illegal actions before going to the grand jury. It’s just a matter of time before some of these nut cases will act out again.

As for the cattle are, they will not be going very far. The current drought will keep them very close to the limited water resources that will be available later this summer. This will make any future round-ups much easier.

It’s also worth noting that to a great extent, the yahoos gift wrap the data for the Feds by taking pics and posting them on social media.

157 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 5:02:27pm

I suspect that there is a high probability that the FBI already knows who the guy is.
I also suspect that the guy has been bragging a lot on social media, and FBI knows that as well.
And that goes for the rest of the wingnuts there.

158 kirkspencer  Apr 14, 2014 5:02:37pm

Having said all that about the rifle, he’s still probably going to get a visit.re: #152 Shiplord Kirel

Certainly. Rest assured that the FBI will be measuring all this. It appears to me that the line of the rifle through the gunman’s right shoulder points exactly at the abutment on the right side of the distant overpass. Only the barrel of the rifle protrudes into the gap, giving a lot of potential traverse. Where it can point, his eyes can point. If his only defense is that he couldn’t actually see the BLM a few degrees to the left of his sight line, he is on thin ice indeed.

There’s not a lot of swing in a gap like that for a rifle, but that’s relatively immaterial. But I think people have gone sideways on me.

The argument was the picture alone is sufficient. I am saying no it’s not. It places him on site, and it shows him /potentially/ willing to participate. But there are a LOT of cases where someone escaped conviction because they never actually pointed the weapon AT someone. (Same token there are cases where weapon in hand at the scene was sufficient. It depends on how the jury takes what the prosecution and defense say.)

FWIW, I think the guy will get a thorough examination. There’s a fair chance someone will bring him in for questions. But I think it’s all going to be soft-shoe because everyone still remembers Waco, and contrary to some folks opinion the US government would prefer to imprison instead of killing.

159 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 5:03:03pm
160 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 14, 2014 5:03:55pm

This is the last car being removed from the sinkhole at the corvette museum…

Youtube Video

The final car is a 2001 Mallet Hammer Z06. “I expected bad, but it’s 100 times worse. It looks like a piece of tin foil… and it had a roll cage in it. It makes all the other cars look like they’re brand new,” Kevin Helmintoller, who donated the car to the museum, said.

161 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 5:06:02pm

re: #155 klys

The problem is, in our judicial system, the burden is on the prosecution. Not the defense.

Hence the need for a preponderance of evidence required to preclude “reasonable doubt.”

Particularly in a case like this where I suspect a prosecutor has to be aware of the potential for jury nullification playing a role.

Sure, we can agitate that he should be arrested, but what I would really like to see is him arrested, charged, and convicted so that he loses his right to that gun in the future. Those pictures, although suggestive, are probably not sufficient by themselves to produce that result in a court of law, which is the one that matters for that particular result.

That being said, they certainly warrant further investigation and I am sure that federal agents are doing so.

We are to a great extent waving hands here, in the absence of knowing what the law states. I am not aware of anything in the law that ALLOWS any citizen to point a loaded (check the profile pics) at LEOs in performance of their duties. Come to that, I’m not aware that the law allows you to point a weapon at ANYONE from such a position of concealment.

Seriously, you see your neighbor sticking a rifle barrel out his window at people on the street, do you really think the law allows it right up till he pulls the trigger?

162 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 5:06:53pm

re: #159 Kragar

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Folks love watching other fishermen with a live one on the line.

163 dog philosopher  Apr 14, 2014 5:07:20pm

re: #160 NJDhockeyfan

This is the last car being removed from the sinkhole at the corvette museum…

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es la sinkhole de mayo jejejeje

164 Mike Lamb  Apr 14, 2014 5:08:49pm

re: #155 klys

The problem is, in our judicial system, the burden is on the prosecution. Not the defense.

Hence the need for a preponderance of evidence required to preclude “reasonable doubt.”

Particularly in a case like this where I suspect a prosecutor has to be aware of the potential for jury nullification playing a role.

Sure, we can agitate that he should be arrested, but what I would really like to see is him arrested, charged, and convicted so that he loses his right to that gun in the future. Those pictures, although suggestive, are probably not sufficient by themselves to produce that result in a court of law, which is the one that matters for that particular result.

That being said, they certainly warrant further investigation and I am sure that federal agents are doing so.

If he has an affirmative defense of “I was only trying to make it look like I was aiming at the Feds”, then the burden is on him to prove that. Prosecutor can show that he intentionally had a gun clearly pointed in the direction of federal employees. Beyond reasonable doubt doesn’t mean that their needs to be a picture looking through the guys scope of his gun trained on a federal employee.

165 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 5:09:25pm

And I see Kragar just won a Twitter prize!

166 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 5:09:26pm

re: #163 dog philosopher

es la sinkhole de mayo jejejeje

I thought it was in February? (he said innocently)

167 klys  Apr 14, 2014 5:11:22pm

re: #161 GeneJockey

We are to a great extent waving hands here, in the absence of knowing what the law states. I am not aware of anything in the law that ALLOWS any citizen to point a loaded (check the profile pics) at LEOs in performance of their duties. Come to that, I’m not aware that the law allows you to point a weapon at ANYONE from such a position of concealment.

Seriously, you see your neighbor sticking a rifle barrel out his window at people on the street, do you really think the law allows it right up till he pulls the trigger?

I don’t think I’m arguing that the law allows it?

I’m just pointing out, like kirkspencer, that those pictures themselves are probably not sufficient evidence in the court of law by themselves to convict, particularly in an environment with a half-way competent defense attorney and/or jurors who feel sympathetic to the defendant.

Think about the tweets you read.

Consider that those people, just like you and I, with all our critical thinking, are also considered for serving on a jury.

168 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 5:12:12pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

And I see Kragar just won a Twitter prize!

Is that what I just blocked?

169 thedopefishlives  Apr 14, 2014 5:12:32pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

And I see Kragar just won a Twitter prize!

Who what now?

170 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 5:12:57pm

re: #168 Kragar

Is that what I just blocked?

“Prize Spectacular”?

171 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 5:13:37pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Prize Spectacular”?

Yeah

172 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 5:14:21pm

re: #171 Kragar

Yeah

I figured it was like Nigerian princes or something.
;)

173 Decatur Deb  Apr 14, 2014 5:14:56pm

re: #167 klys

I don’t think I’m arguing that the law allows it?

I’m just pointing out, like kirkspencer, that those pictures themselves are probably not sufficient evidence in the court of law by themselves to convict, particularly in an environment with a half-way competent defense attorney and/or jurors who feel sympathetic to the defendant.

Think about the tweets you read.

Consider that those people, just like you and I, with all our critical thinking, are also considered for serving on a jury.

A PhD in the hard sciences is not going to be on many juries.

174 klys  Apr 14, 2014 5:16:25pm

re: #173 Decatur Deb

A PhD in the hard sciences is not going to be on many juries.

Yeah, I figure I pretty much have my get-out-of-jury-duty-free card for the rest of my life.

But I still have to show up and go through the process to get there.

I’ve only been called up once and that was for a child sex abuse case. I was glad to beg out due to prepaid travel conflicts before even making it to round two there.

175 ObserverArt  Apr 14, 2014 5:16:56pm

I’d like some of the LGF members to lend their opinions on this one article I came across in my searching for more info on the Cliven Bundy vs. BLM land rights standoff.

There seems to be quite a lot of debate over who controls Federal Land in a state under the Constitution and that is where this article comes in. On the surface it seems legit, but I am not a federal land rights historian. So, if anyone wants to read this article and comment on its overall accuracy I’d appreciate it. The article seems to be one of the best that goes to the original Federal land once the US took control from Mexico and then what happens when a state is declared and who controls what from that point.

Also…if anyone has any other links that go to the actual law and state versus federal control of land I’d appreciate them.

Here is the main thrust of the linked article:

In America’s infancy, the Supreme Court of the United States upheld the Founding Fathers’ understanding of federal control over land. Justice Stephen J. Field wrote for the majority opinion in Fort Leavenworth Railroad Co. v. Lowe (1855) that federal authority over territorial land was “necessarily paramount.” However, once the territory was organized as a state and admitted to the union on equal ground, the state government assumes sovereignty over federal lands, and the federal government retains only the rights of an “individual proprietor.” This means that the federal government could only exercise general sovereignty over state property if the state legislature formally granted the federal government the power to do so under the Enclave Clause with the exception of federal buildings (post offices) and military installations. This understanding was reaffirmed in Lessee of Pollard v. Hagan (1845), Permoli v. Municipality No. 1 of the city of New Orleans (1845) and Strader v. Graham (1850).

However, it did not take long for the Supreme Court to begin redefining the Constitution and legislating from the bench under the guise of interpretation. Case by case, the Court slowly redefined the Property Clause, which had always been understood to regard exclusively the transferring of federal to state sovereignty through statehood, to the conservation of unconstitutional federal supremacy.

Link: Who actually “owns” America’s land? A deeper look at the Bundy Ranch crisis

By the way, I have no idea of the legitimacy of the linked site. It came up in a Google search

176 blueraven  Apr 14, 2014 5:17:41pm

re: #167 klys

I don’t think I’m arguing that the law allows it?

I’m just pointing out, like kirkspencer, that those pictures themselves are probably not sufficient evidence in the court of law by themselves to convict, particularly in an environment with a half-way competent defense attorney and/or jurors who feel sympathetic to the defendant.

Think about the tweets you read.

Consider that those people, just like you and I, with all our critical thinking, are also considered for serving on a jury.

I agree it is not enough to convict or maybe even bring to trial, but it is enough for a LE visit and possible arrest. There may be additional evidence on or offline. These people tend to brag a lot.

177 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 5:18:35pm

re: #167 klys

I don’t think I’m arguing that the law allows it?

I’m just pointing out, like kirkspencer, that those pictures themselves are probably not sufficient evidence in the court of law by themselves to convict, particularly in an environment with a half-way competent defense attorney and/or jurors who feel sympathetic to the defendant.

Think about the tweets you read.

Consider that those people, just like you and I, with all our critical thinking, are also considered for serving on a jury.

I’m not so much arguing with you, Klys, as using your post as a springboard to pontificate.

What I’m saying is that pointing a loaded weapon at an LEO in the performance of his duties is illegal, and that the evidence I see has him pointing a loaded weapon in the direction of LEOs in the performance of their duties, but beyond that I’m questioning whether it’s EVER legal to point your loaded weapon at other people, since if someone did it to you and you shot first and killed him it would likely be ruled justifiable homicide.

It depends on how the law is written, and while there are lots of stupid people out there, there are also lots who don’t think you should point loaded guns at people.

178 klys  Apr 14, 2014 5:18:48pm

re: #176 blueraven

I agree it is not enough to convict or maybe even bring to trial, but it is enough for a LE visit and possible arrest. There may be additional evidence on or offline. These people tend to brag a lot.

For sure it should prompt additional investigation. I hope they find enough evidence to support an arrest, trial, and conviction.

My personal feeling is that what he did should cost him his right to own a gun.

179 goddamnedfrank  Apr 14, 2014 5:19:01pm

re: #167 klys

I don’t think I’m arguing that the law allows it?

I’m just pointing out, like kirkspencer, that those pictures themselves are probably not sufficient evidence in the court of law by themselves to convict, particularly in an environment with a half-way competent defense attorney and/or jurors who feel sympathetic to the defendant.

Think about the tweets you read.

Consider that those people, just like you and I, with all our critical thinking, are also considered for serving on a jury.

A federal trial in Vegas might stand a good chance at conviction. When you take a hunter safety course one of the things they’ll often stress is that “scoping” a game warden, even at distance to identify them as one, can easily get you a felony charge. The split second you recognize the form of a human being you need to put the gun down, pointed in a safe direction.

180 wrenchwench  Apr 14, 2014 5:19:39pm

re: #175 ObserverArt

I’d like some of the LGF members to lend their opinions on this one article I came across in my searching for more info on the Cliven Bundy vs. BLM land rights standoff.

There seems to be quite a lot of debate over who controls Federal Land in a state under the Constitution and that is where this article comes in. On the surface it seems legit, but I am not a federal land rights historian. So, if anyone wants to read this article and comment on its overall accuracy I’d appreciate it. The article seems to be one of the best that goes to the original Federal land once the US took control from Mexico and then what happens when a state is declared and who controls what from that point.

Also…if anyone has any other links that go to the actual law and state versus federal control of land I’d appreciate them.

Here is the main thrust of the linked article:

Link: Who actually “owns” America’s land? A deeper look at the Bundy Ranch crisis

By the way, I have no idea of the legitimacy of the linked site. It came up in a Google search

‘The Daily Sheeple’? What’s not to trust?

Looks like bullshit to me, but I’m no expert.

181 Decatur Deb  Apr 14, 2014 5:20:33pm

re: #175 ObserverArt

If the Intertubes are to be believed, and they are never wrong, there is an additional complicator in this case. Reportedly, Nevada recognized Fed ownership of large tracts in the negotiations leading to statehood.

182 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 5:20:34pm

re: #175 ObserverArt

I think the Daily Sheeple is a bunch of nutters.
Just check out their facebook page: facebook.com

183 klys  Apr 14, 2014 5:21:28pm

re: #179 goddamnedfrank

A federal trial in Vegas might stand a good chance at conviction. When you take a hunter safety course one of the things they’ll often stress is that “scoping” a game warden, even at distance to identify them as one, can easily get you a felony charge. The split second you recognize the form of a human being you need to put the gun down, pointed in a safe direction.

I hope the end result of this is a felony charge and conviction.

As I said above, I believe what he did should cost him his right to own a gun in this country.

184 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 5:22:55pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think the Daily Sheeple is a bunch of nutters.
Just check out their facebook page: facebook.com

They apparently like the Oathkeepers a lot.
O_o

185 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 5:23:49pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

‘The Daily Sheeple’? What’s not to trust?

Looks like bullshit to me, but I’m no expert.

When they get to ‘legislating from the bench’, you know they’re rolling in the bullshit. It basically means “The Supreme Court precedents are against my point, so I’ll say they were wrong.”

The thing is, we citizens agree to accept those rulings as definitive by waking up every day in the USofA and not leaving.

186 palmerskiss  Apr 14, 2014 5:26:33pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think the Daily Sheeple is a bunch of nutters.
Just check out their facebook page: facebook.com

benswann.com

the article came out of the Tenth Amendment Center, - nullification nuts - google.com

motherjones.com

187 Cheechako  Apr 14, 2014 5:26:35pm

re: #181 Decatur Deb

If the Intertubes are to be believed, and they are never wrong, there is an additional complicator in this case. Reportedly, Nevada recognized Fed ownership of large tracts in the negotiations leading to statehood.

IIRC someone posted in an earlier thread that the Act admitting Nevada into the Union in 1864 had a clause that specifically stated that land in the proposed State that was not allocated to private uses was reserved and belonged to the Federal Government.

188 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 5:26:50pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

Rightwing bullshit rag.

“Michael Lotfi is a Persian, American political analyst and adviser living in Nashville, Tennessee where he works as the executive director for the Tenth Amendment Center (TN). Lotfi founded thelibertypaper.org, which is an online news source that is visited daily by readers in over 135 countries. Lotfi also writes a column at The Washington Times called “American Millennial”. Lotfi graduated in the top 5% of his class with top honors from Belmont University*, an award winning, private university located in Nashville, Tennessee. ” (my emphasis)

*a “Christian” university and second largest private univ in TN.

189 goddamnedfrank  Apr 14, 2014 5:27:20pm

re: #175 ObserverArt

Thing is, Nevada’s State Constitution is pretty clear on the matter.

Third. That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States; and that lands belonging to citizens of the United States, residing without the said state, shall never be taxed higher than the land belonging to the residents thereof; and that no taxes shall be imposed by said state on lands or property therein belonging to, or which may hereafter be purchased by, the United States, unless otherwise provided by the congress of the United States.

190 Lidane  Apr 14, 2014 5:29:17pm

Joe the Fake Plumber is babbling about this Bundy Ranch shit:

191 EPR-radar  Apr 14, 2014 5:29:49pm

re: #173 Decatur Deb

A PhD in the hard sciences is not going to be on many juries.

When I lived in the LA area, I actually served on a jury once, much to my surprise. According to my colleagues at TRW, it wasn’t all that unusual for engineers and scientist to serve on LA county juries.

192 jaunte  Apr 14, 2014 5:30:44pm

re: #190 Lidane

Strategic De-escalation to Hoodwink the People

That sounds like a line from North Korea.

193 Mike Lamb  Apr 14, 2014 5:31:20pm

re: #175 ObserverArt

I’d like some of the LGF members to lend their opinions on this one article I came across in my searching for more info on the Cliven Bundy vs. BLM land rights standoff.

There seems to be quite a lot of debate over who controls Federal Land in a state under the Constitution and that is where this article comes in. On the surface it seems legit, but I am not a federal land rights historian. So, if anyone wants to read this article and comment on its overall accuracy I’d appreciate it. The article seems to be one of the best that goes to the original Federal land once the US took control from Mexico and then what happens when a state is declared and who controls what from that point.

Also…if anyone has any other links that go to the actual law and state versus federal control of land I’d appreciate them.

Here is the main thrust of the linked article:

Link: Who actually “owns” America’s land? A deeper look at the Bundy Ranch crisis

By the way, I have no idea of the legitimacy of the linked site. It came up in a Google search

Um, no. I’m not any expert on this, but that doesn’t pass the all knowing smell test. Where does the person that wrote that article think National Parks came from? Or is that part of the case-by-case reinterpretation? If that article is to be believed, then this:

“The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.”

Would be read right out of existence…

194 wrenchwench  Apr 14, 2014 5:31:35pm

re: #185 GeneJockey

When they get to ‘legislating from the bench’, you know they’re rolling in the bullshit. It basically means “The Supreme Court precedents are against my point, so I’ll say they were wrong.”

The thing is, we citizens agree to accept those rulings as definitive by waking up every day in the USofA and not leaving.

I came across a tweeter who is asking Bundy supporters if they are going to support the Laneys in New Mexico. She links to an article from 10 years ago that’s reposted on a wingnut site making it look like it’s current. She said ‘their cattle are going to be taken this week.’ I pointed out her error and asked if this was a disinformation campaign.

Meanwhile, my congress critter is riling up the next batch.

Next tweet takes credit for deescalating the Bundy situation.

195 b.d.  Apr 14, 2014 5:31:40pm
Greenwald and Poitras’ return: What’s the real reason they weren’t arrested?

salon.com

Hahahahaha, they didn’t arrest them to deny them poutrage.

196 Decatur Deb  Apr 14, 2014 5:33:05pm

re: #191 EPR-radar

When I lived in the LA area, I actually served on a jury once, much to my surprise. According to my colleagues at TRW, it wasn’t all that unusual for engineers and scientist to serve on LA county juries.

During jury selection just raise your hand and ask the prosecution to express ‘reasonable doubt’ as a confidence interval.

(Never did that, my buddy has been the defense lawyer at every trial I’ve been called. Small town.)

197 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 5:34:32pm

re: #190 Lidane

Joe the Fake Plumber is babbling about this Bundy Ranch shit:

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Who writes his tweets, I wonder?

And it would be true only if you think that saving lives is less important than thinking you actually won something yesterday and still think you are right on the issue.

198 thedopefishlives  Apr 14, 2014 5:34:38pm

re: #196 Decatur Deb

During jury selection just raise your hand and ask the prosecution to express ‘reasonable doubt’ as a confidence interval.

(Never did that, my buddy has been the defense lawyer at every trial I’ve been called. Small town.)

I should give that one to the Mrs. Fish. She’s on call for jury duty over the net 2 weeks.

199 dog philosopher  Apr 14, 2014 5:34:54pm

re: #173 Decatur Deb

A PhD in the hard sciences is not going to be on many juries.

a hard science is good to find

200 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 5:35:07pm

re: #196 Decatur Deb

During jury selection just raise your hand and ask the prosecution to express ‘reasonable doubt’ as a confidence interval.

(Never did that, my buddy has been the defense lawyer at every trial I’ve been called. Small town.)

That got a snicker, and I almost never LOL in response to funny shit on the internet.

201 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 5:35:49pm

re: #199 dog philosopher

a hard science is good to find

I guess that makes Biology a soft, moist, yielding Science….

202 thedopefishlives  Apr 14, 2014 5:36:13pm

re: #201 GeneJockey

I guess that makes Biology a soft, moist, yielding Science….

That’s what SHE said.

203 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 5:36:15pm

re: #201 GeneJockey

I guess that makes Biology a soft, moist, yielding Science….

Now I want cake. Soft, moist, yielding cake….

204 jaunte  Apr 14, 2014 5:38:08pm

re: #194 wrenchwench

Some lesser prairie chicken info for the curious:
nrcs.usda.gov

205 jaunte  Apr 14, 2014 5:38:28pm

206 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 5:38:32pm

re: #195 b.d.

salon.com

Hahahahaha, they didn’t arrest them to deny them poutrage.

The author goes on to make it sound even worse—for Pres Obama and his admin.

207 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 5:40:58pm

re: #194 wrenchwench

I came across a tweeter who is asking Bundy supporters if they are going to support the Laneys in New Mexico. She links to an article from 10 years ago that’s reposted on a wingnut site making it look like it’s current. She said ‘their cattle are going to be taken this week.’ I pointed out her error and asked if this was a disinformation campaign.

Meanwhile, my congress critter is riling up the next batch.

Next tweet takes credit for deescalating the Bundy situation.

“Wait, Steve Pearce asked for a peaceful resolution? Better call back the attack helicopters and that AC130 gunship!”

208 Decatur Deb  Apr 14, 2014 5:40:58pm

re: #195 b.d.

salon.com

Hahahahaha, they didn’t arrest them to deny them poutrage.

Funnier to let them in, then shred their passports (which are the property of the State Dept).

209 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 5:42:17pm
210 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 5:42:30pm
211 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 5:44:30pm

re: #210 Kragar

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THIS!! THIS!! A thousand times, THIS!!!!!

212 kirkspencer  Apr 14, 2014 5:48:18pm

re: #175 ObserverArt

I’d like some of the LGF members to lend their opinions on this one article I came across in my searching for more info on the Cliven Bundy vs. BLM land rights standoff.
[snip by kirk]

Basically they’re full of crap. Court decision after court decision has ruled that Property Clause of the US Constitution trumps the arguments.
Let me quote from US v Gardner, decided by the 9th circuit in 1997. For background, the Gardners claimed that Nevada property was Nevada, not US, and so the US couldn’t deny them grazing permits. (Sound familiar?)

The United States Constitution provides in the Property Clause that Congress has the power “to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States.”  U.S. Const. art. IV, §𠀣, cl. 2.   The Supreme Court has consistently recognized the expansiveness of this power, stating that “[t]he power over the public land thus entrusted to Congress is without limitations.”  Kleppe v. New Mexico, 426 U.S. 529, 539, 96 S.Ct. 2285, 2291, 49 L.Ed.2d 34 (1976);  United States v. San Francisco, 310 U.S. 16, 29, 60 S.Ct. 749, 756, 84 L.Ed. 1050 (1940).   See also Alabama v. Texas, 347 U.S. 272, 273, 74 S.Ct. 481, 481-82, 98 L.Ed. 689 (1954);  United States v. California, 332 U.S. 19, 27, 67 S.Ct. 1658, 1662-63, 91 L.Ed. 1889 (1947);  Gibson v. Chouteau, 80 U.S. (13 Wall.) 92, 99, 20 L.Ed. 534 (1871);  United States v. Gratiot, 39 U.S. (14 Pet.) 526, 537, 10 L.Ed. 573 (1840).   Moreover, the Supreme Court has noted that Congress “may deal with [its] lands precisely as an ordinary individual may deal with his farming property.   It may sell or withhold them from sale.”  Light v. United States, 220 U.S. 523, 536, 31 S.Ct. 485, 488, 55 L.Ed. 570 (1911) (internal quotation marks and citation omitted).   Indeed, the establishment of a forest reserve by Congress is a “right[ ] incident to proprietorship, to say nothing of the power of the United States as a sovereign over the property belonging to it.”  Id. at 537, 31 S.Ct. at 488. - See more at: caselaw.findlaw.com

And one more from the Supreme Court not mentioned. Kansas vs Colorado from 1907 is the biggie. The key statement is on page 89 of this link. In it the court said, “The full scope of this paragraph has never been definitely settled. Primarily, at least, it is a grant of power to the United States of control over its property.”

editing for clarity -“this paragraph” is the property clause of the US Constitution.

213 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 5:53:28pm

I think I know what Bundy is trying to invoke here, but last I heard, sheriffs are part of “the govt” and have no authority outside their own jurisdictions, and cannot exert any authority over any federal official. And what “cause” would that be, Mr. Bundy?

Nevada cattle rancher calls on local sheriffs to join his cause

reuters.com

“An official with a group that tracks extremist and hate groups said the call by Cliven Bundy to disarm federal law enforcement with agencies like the BLM is equivalent to calling for an armed rebellion against the U.S. government.

“They are stirring a very volatile and dangerous pot,” said Mark Potok, senior fellow with the Southern Poverty Law Center. “It could goad more people to do the same kind of thing.”

214 palmerskiss  Apr 14, 2014 5:56:38pm

re: #181 Decatur Deb

if you have time in the future, think i could ask you about some of those other ‘methods’ that you suggested to me earlier in regards to trolling?

i am always looking for better ways of attacking problems and I’d be very interested in hearing your thoughts some more on the issue.

215 Mike Lamb  Apr 14, 2014 5:56:41pm

re: #212 kirkspencer

Basically they’re full of crap. Court decision after court decision has ruled that Property Clause of the US Constitution trumps the arguments.
Let me quote from US v Gardner, decided by the 9th circuit in 1997. For background, the Gardners claimed that Nevada property was Nevada, not US, and so the US couldn’t deny them grazing permits. (Sound familiar?)

And one more from the Supreme Court not mentioned. Kansas vs Colorado from 1907 is the biggie. The key statement is on page 89 of this link. In it the court said, “The full scope of this paragraph has never been definitely settled. Primarily, at least, it is a grant of power to the United States of control over its property.”

But you didn’t quote a case from the pre-1850’s! All of the citations you provided were part of the drip-by-drip, case-by-case, legislating-from-the-bench, paring down of states rights, donchaknow. Originalism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

216 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 5:56:45pm

re: #212 kirkspencer

The problem with those kind of ‘Constitutional Scholars’ is that they don’t believe in precedent. They only believe in original intent, and then only in the original intent they deem the Founders to have had, not even that evinced by their actions.

217 Charles Johnson  Apr 14, 2014 5:58:45pm
218 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 5:58:55pm

re: #216 GeneJockey

The problem with those kind of ‘Constitutional Scholars’ is that they don’t believe in precedent. They only believe in original intent, and then only in the original intent they deem the Founders to have had, not even that evinced by their actions.

I mentioned the Whiskey tax Rebellion to a nutball yesterday and they thought it was an example of the Founding Fathers fighting against unjust taxation.

219 Bubblehead II  Apr 14, 2014 5:59:59pm

Night Lizards. How many of you are going to stay up for the “Blood Moon?”

220 jaunte  Apr 14, 2014 6:00:12pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

“…Stories continue to be churned out by Greenwald at the Intercept…”
salon.com

Well, except lately.

221 thedopefishlives  Apr 14, 2014 6:00:18pm

re: #219 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. How many of you are going to stay up for the “Blood Moon?”

Probably not stay up, but I’m probably going to set my alarm and see it.

222 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 6:00:21pm

re: #218 Kragar

I mentioned the Whiskey tax Rebellion to a nutball yesterday and they thought it was an example of the Founding Fathers fighting against unjust taxation.

Well, I’d be lying if I said I was surprised. See my post above about impenetrable ignorance.

223 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 6:00:24pm

re: #216 GeneJockey

The problem with those kind of ‘Constitutional Scholars’ is that they don’t believe in precedent. They only believe in original intent, and then only in the original intent they deem the Founders to have had, not even that evinced by their actions.

And the only amendments that count are the 2nd and 10th (they would get rid of the rest). In fact, just abolish the Supreme Court. We don’t need no stinking case law mucking up anything we can ram through Congress, either.

224 ObserverArt  Apr 14, 2014 6:00:30pm

Thanks for the responses to my #175. And thanks for the clarifications on the site.

As I said the article seemed to be legit, but he lost me as soon as he rode right over the courts rulings to clarify the Feds rights to their land. I can understand that as soon as a state was founded and the land was turned over the Feds would expect the state to control those lands. That would be as a steward of the land FOR the Federal Government. The further clarification rulings seem to support that. The author of the article seems to want to stop once the state was granted its statehood. I guess that is a strict states rights stance which is all too common and 98% of the time is an excuse to take a stand against “the all too powerful Federal Government Boogie Man” or like Bundy an excuse to shirk the law.

That is what is so tough about debating this crap. Many times people want to support a small section of a law or small, partial interpretation of a ruling of a law they like, while at the same time denying the courts have any standing to rule on a law to a point they do not like. You can’t choose the law. It is where it stands at the time until further rulings or changes.

225 palmerskiss  Apr 14, 2014 6:00:33pm

re: #219 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. How many of you are going to stay up for the “Blood Moon?”

sorry cloudy here in humarock :)

226 FemNaziBitch  Apr 14, 2014 6:01:08pm

Liberal fascism is everywhere: Behold its shocking rise!

Jonah Goldberg’s worst nightmare is here: the appalling pandemic of left-wingers brutally criticizing people

227 Kragar  Apr 14, 2014 6:01:27pm
228 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 6:01:39pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

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It’s all part of a plot to lull him into a false sense of security!

“It’s quiet tonight.”

“It’s TOO quiet.”

229 palmerskiss  Apr 14, 2014 6:02:12pm

re: #226 FemNaziBitch

Liberal fascism is everywhere: Behold its shocking rise!

yeah - we make em all wear the ‘pink triangle’

jonah goldberg is representative of how un-creative the right really is.

230 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 6:02:35pm
231 klys  Apr 14, 2014 6:03:32pm

re: #227 Kragar

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I refuse to touch free speech issues anymore, because it apparently turns some people incredibly nutty.

232 FemNaziBitch  Apr 14, 2014 6:03:57pm

re: #229 palmerskiss

yeah - we make em all wear the ‘pink triangle’

jonah goldberg is representative of how un-creative the right really is.

There is something about taking everything at face value and not looking deeper or even thinking past one’s first reaction in this.

IT PISSES ME OFF

233 GeneJockey  Apr 14, 2014 6:04:09pm

re: #223 Justanotherhuman

And the only amendments that count are the 2nd and 10th (they would get rid of the rest). In fact, just abolish the Supreme Court. We don’t need no stinking case law mucking up anything we can ram through Congress, either.

Except they need it when they don’t control the Congress and White House. THEN the SCOTUS becomes important, kind of like how the CBO changes, chameleon-like, from Reliable Arbiter of Fact to Obama’s Toadies, based on whether their most recent report helps or hurts them.

234 jaunte  Apr 14, 2014 6:05:00pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

You mean it’s hard to feed 900 head on 160 acres of near-desert without a little cheatin’?

235 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 6:05:21pm

re: #227 Kragar

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I hope LaBarbera has worn out his welcome in Canada with this stunt.

236 dog philosopher  Apr 14, 2014 6:05:44pm

re: #226 FemNaziBitch

Liberal fascism is everywhere: Behold its shocking rise!

Jonah Goldberg’s worst nightmare is here: the appalling pandemic of left-wingers brutally criticizing people

criticism!!!

(sinks into fainting couch…)

237 FemNaziBitch  Apr 14, 2014 6:07:20pm
E.J. Dionne Jr. at The Washington Post on why conservatives should love AmeriCorps. “If we can agree on anything across our philosophical divides, surely we can support efforts to promote voluntary service by our fellow citizens and to strengthen our nation’s extraordinary network of civic and religious charities. At a very modest cost to government AmeriCorps gives mostly young Americans a chance to spend a year helping communities and those in need while nurturing thousands of organizations across the country,” Dionne writes. “One politician who speaks often about the importance of civil society groups is Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) Yet Ryan’s new budget comes out against apple pie. It zeroes out AmeriCorps. The best move for someone who loves the activities of the nonprofits as much as Ryan says he does is to try to trump the president.” Jonathan Chait at New York tweets, “Paul Ryan’s budget contains so many huge disasters that many moderately-sized ones go unnoticed. @EJDionne finds one.”

pulled from Wired email digest.

238 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 14, 2014 6:09:25pm

re: #227 Kragar

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Not to mention, the Canadian Constitution is considerably different from the U.S. one.

239 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 14, 2014 6:09:33pm

re: #219 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. How many of you are going to stay up for the “Blood Moon?”

looking pretty poor for it here on the TennTucky border. I’d like to see it, I may set the alarm, get up, see how the cloud cover looks, and then promptly go back to bed.

RBS

240 FemNaziBitch  Apr 14, 2014 6:12:07pm

Overall, How was your day?

241 FemNaziBitch  Apr 14, 2014 6:13:03pm

bbl

242 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 6:13:11pm

re: #233 GeneJockey

Well, of course—checks and balances for everyone.

But they don’t think that far ahead, you know. Because fascism doesn’t need what we have now.

243 palmerskiss  Apr 14, 2014 6:13:38pm

re: #232 FemNaziBitch

There is something about taking everything at face value and not looking deeper or even thinking past one’s first reaction in this.

IT PISSES ME OFF

jonah has been trading off second hand ideas since he escaped from that liberal prison that is university - where people likely challenged him to his face, on a daily basis.

he has been butt hurt about it ever since.

his use of ‘fascism’ is tired, and really only impresses sarah palin.

244 ObserverArt  Apr 14, 2014 6:13:42pm

re: #237 FemNaziBitch

pulled from Wired email digest.

Paul Ryan…The Budget Grinch. In his budget America is closed and there is no government. Good luck everybody…in true libertine ways you are all on your own. Just like the good lord intended.

245 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 14, 2014 6:14:59pm

re: #240 FemNaziBitch

Overall, How was your day?

Overall, not bad. Trimmed my initial effort on a 2 hour technology showcase down from what was probably 4 hours down to maybe 2.5 hours. Since I’ve only got a 2 hour time slot, I’ll be cutting as I go I’m sure.

Friend has some tee times for Friday, hope the weather holds.

All in all, life is good.

RBS

246 dog philosopher  Apr 14, 2014 6:15:56pm

re: #226 FemNaziBitch

Liberal fascism is everywhere: Behold its shocking rise!

good stuff

Essentially, fascism is when a bunch of people criticize something they disapprove of or are offended by, and ask that the thing or person that offends them not be rewarded in some fashion. (Mussolini got his start as a sort of Italian proto-“hashtag activist,” uniting his “followers” against Slavic people and socialists.) One of the most important features of liberal fascism, as it is practiced in the 21st century, is that while none of its victims ever die or go to jail, it is still always directly and exactly comparable to some sort of horrific historical (or literary) atrocity.

Like the Inquisition. Or the gulags. (“That term may be perverse, but it is not an exaggeration.”) Or honor killings. Or Orwell’s “Thought Police.” Or racist minstrelsy. Or McCarthyism. Whatever you want to call it, it is an appalling violation of the supposed tenet of liberal tolerance when liberals refuse to tolerate bigots and creeps. Obviously Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Brenden Eich, Alec Baldwin and Charles Murray are all still rich, free, influential and suffering no actual material or physical hardships for their beliefs, but people were rude about them on Twitter. Papa Joe himself would be proud.

i definitely consider goldberg’s condemnation of political correctness as political correctness of the first order, comparable to the brutal campaigns of tamerlane or attile the hum or something

247 jaunte  Apr 14, 2014 6:16:37pm

Ukrainian Jews Celebrate Passover Amid Crisis

“….Protesters and government forces are shooting at each other in the East. Russia has annexed Crimea. Rabbi Duchovny says this underscores a central lesson of the Jewish experience.

” Liberation never ends. Liberation starts. And it goes and goes and goes.  And this is what Jewish people learned during the centuries.”

248 Justanotherhuman  Apr 14, 2014 6:16:57pm

Jury Sentences James McVay To Death

kdlt.com

“A jury has sentenced James McVay to die by lethal injection for the murder of Maybelle Schein. The verdict was read shortly before 6:30 p.m. Monday night. The jury deliberated for about five hours before reaching a decision.

“McVay earlier pleaded guilty but mentally ill to murder in the 2011 stabbing of 75-year-old Maybelle Schein. McVay said he killed Schein and stole her car as part of his plan to drive to Washington and kill the president. He was later arrested in Madison, Wis.”

249 Varek Raith  Apr 14, 2014 6:17:15pm

Hello.

250 thedopefishlives  Apr 14, 2014 6:18:10pm

re: #249 Varek Raith

Hello.

Guten tag. You need to brush up on your German, this is liberal fascist headquarters after all.

251 palmerskiss  Apr 14, 2014 6:18:22pm

re: #246 dog philosopher

good stuff

Essentially, fascism is when a bunch of people criticize something they disapprove of or are offended by, and ask that the thing or person that offends them not be rewarded in some fashion. (Mussolini got his start as a sort of Italian proto-“hashtag activist,” uniting his “followers” against Slavic people and socialists.) One of the most important features of liberal fascism, as it is practiced in the 21st century, is that while none of its victims ever die or go to jail, it is still always directly and exactly comparable to some sort of horrific historical (or literary) atrocity.

Like the Inquisition. Or the gulags. (“That term may be perverse, but it is not an exaggeration.”) Or honor killings. Or Orwell’s “Thought Police.” Or racist minstrelsy. Or McCarthyism. Whatever you want to call it, it is an appalling violation of the supposed tenet of liberal tolerance when liberals refuse to tolerate bigots and creeps. Obviously Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Brenden Eich, Alec Baldwin and Charles Murray are all still rich, free, influential and suffering no actual material or physical hardships for their beliefs, but people were rude about them on Twitter. Papa Joe himself would be proud.

i definitely consider goldberg’s condemnation of political correctness as political correctness of the first order, comparable to the brutal campaigns of tamerlane or attile the hum or something

yeah and the Arajs commando were just underwear free liberal peace nicks disrupting campus learnin’…

truth.

252 Belafon  Apr 14, 2014 6:18:54pm

re: #216 GeneJockey

It’s funny how the Founders, like God, always seem to agree with their position.

253 palmerskiss  Apr 14, 2014 6:19:04pm

re: #240 FemNaziBitch

Overall, How was your day?

productive, and it went well ty - same i hope for you :)

254 palmerskiss  Apr 14, 2014 6:19:39pm

re: #249 Varek Raith

Hello.

boa noites :)

255 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 14, 2014 6:21:54pm

US airways tweeted a highly pornographic picture in response to a customer complaint.

It was a highly pornographic picture that involved a toy plane.

256 Decatur Deb  Apr 14, 2014 6:21:56pm

Crashing early—just back from the Grand Tour of the grandkids. ‘Nite, all,

257 thedopefishlives  Apr 14, 2014 6:22:15pm

re: #255 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

US airways tweeted a highly pornographic picture in response to a customer complaint.

It was a highly pornographic picture that involved a toy plane.

Yeah, I heard about that. What was that all about, anyway?

258 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 14, 2014 6:23:21pm

re: #257 thedopefishlives

Yeah, I heard about that. What was that all about, anyway?

I’m guessing some genius automated some sort of procedure for grabbing US Airways images and didn’t do the rational thing and hook it up with an actual database of such, but had it do a google search with safesearch off or something.

Or they’re getting fired and they decided to go out huge.

259 jaunte  Apr 14, 2014 6:23:51pm

re: #255 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

So, another case of ‘least responsible employee gets to handle the twitter account?’

260 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 14, 2014 6:24:10pm

re: #257 thedopefishlives

Yeah, I heard about that. What was that all about, anyway?

Their story is that somebody had posted it to them on twitter, they were pulling it down, but apparently accidentally forwarded it somebody else as part of a reply.

Somebody please tell me what series of steps you would have to confuse to do this?

RBS

261 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 14, 2014 6:24:27pm

re: #255 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

US airways tweeted a highly pornographic picture in response to a customer complaint.

It was a highly pornographic picture that involved a toy plane.

262 kirkspencer  Apr 14, 2014 6:25:31pm

re: #252 Belafon

It’s funny how the Founders, like God, always seem to agree with their position.

Which given the documentation that shows they didn’t agree with each other a lot of the time becomes utterly amazing.

263 makeitstop  Apr 14, 2014 6:26:08pm
Whatever you want to call it, it is an appalling violation of the supposed tenet of liberal tolerance when liberals refuse to tolerate bigots and creeps.

You got me, copper.
////

Seriously - f*ck this guy, from the bottom of my Liberal heart.

(Edited due to Family viewing time)

264 palmerskiss  Apr 14, 2014 6:43:43pm

kragar, you found a ripe one.

265 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 14, 2014 6:57:12pm

re: #188 Justanotherhuman

Rightwing bullshit rag.

“Michael Lotfi is a Persian, American political analyst and adviser living in Nashville, Tennessee where he works as the executive director for the Tenth Amendment Center (TN). Lotfi founded thelibertypaper.org, which is an online news source that is visited daily by readers in over 135 countries. Lotfi also writes a column at The Washington Times called “American Millennial”. Lotfi graduated in the top 5% of his class with top honors from Belmont University*, an award winning, private university located in Nashville, Tennessee. ” (my emphasis)

*a “Christian” university and second largest private univ in TN.

Anecdote re: Belmont.
It has a very well regarded music program, especially for musicians who want to learn sound boards and recording techniques. So, one of my former high school students, an avid guitarist and hopeful rock star, enrolled in Belmont specifically for that major. Well, he didn’t count on the near constant proselytizing by fervent Baptists, etc. He was one of those “heathens” called Episcopalians (and far from religious, besides), and the social pressure to become a Christian™ was too much for him, so he withdrew halfway through spring semester.

He said the teachers were cool. It was his fellow students who were the god botherers.

266 bluebonnetbunny  Apr 14, 2014 7:10:20pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth
Doesn’t looking for meaning in Blood Moons sound vaguely pagan? Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

267 bluebonnetbunny  Apr 14, 2014 7:16:30pm

re: #78 goddamnedfrank

Even a broken clock is right twice a day!

268 palmerskiss  Apr 14, 2014 7:30:00pm

In the opposite-verse, where “your” is “you’re” the liberals are the real racists, and no one can hear you scream.


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