In Which Glenn Greenwald Smears Me by Citing a Faked Graphic at a Far Right Hate Site

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It’s been almost a week since I wrote anything about the Mighty Glenn Greenwald, but it seems the Mighty G has been thinking of me, despite the wonderful awards he’s been receiving, because today he tweeted a link to the blog run by the extreme right wing Muslim-hating weirdos who’ve been stalking me online for more than seven years.

The giveaway that Greenwald’s tweet was aimed at me is pretty clear — all you have to do is read that blog. It’s entirely dedicated to non-stop hatred of yours truly, with all kinds of genocide-advocating hate speech and violent rhetoric everywhere. The people who hang out there are the absolute bottom of the Internet barrel; many of them were banned from LGF for doing exactly what you see them doing at their new home. And they have been relentlessly stalking, harassing and concocting hateful conspiracy theories about not just me, but anyone who posts at LGF or communicates with me on Twitter, for years.

When my friend George Duke died, they went to websites with articles about George and posted disgusting comments pretending to be me. These are the people Greenwald is linking to.

This is also the blog that conspired with another Greenwaldian hero, Barrett Brown, to out my private emails, along with anti-Muslim hate group leader Pamela Geller. After Brown decided to start hating me, he hung out extensively at this website.

And it’s the blog that has posted numerous videos and articles denying the genocide committed by Serbians against Muslims, and once posted a video praising the infamous racist book The Turner Diaries that inspired terrorist Timothy McVeigh.

And the graphic Greenwald wants you to look at is a fake — an altered version of a Think Progress graphic showing Norwegian anti-Muslim terrorist Anders Breivik’s citations of right wing writers and organizations in his “manifesto.” The altered graphic, to which they added my name in a very deceptive manner, with a bright green bar to make sure you didn’t miss it:

And the actual graphic that appeared at Think Progress, which does not have my name in it, of course:

Notice the difference? Here they are side by side. Maybe that “StinkProgress” logo should have been a red flag?

If you actually read Breivik’s sick manifesto, you’ll discover that he clearly hated me and considered me a “traitor” to his deranged “cause,” and included numerous articles from anti-Muslim bloggers attacking and vilifying me. For example:

And not only that; all of the “citations” Greenwald attempts to attribute to Breivik are actually contained in blog posts written by other authors, mostly “Fjordman.” The fact is that Breivik himself never wrote a single word about me or about LGF.

To really drive home the point about the kinds of sources this Pulitzer Prize-winning “journalist” believes are credible, here are some past LGF posts about the “Diary of Daedalus” stalking site; I usually ignore them, but this case is so egregious it had to be answered.

Rodan Exposed: The Shocking Audio
‘Diary of Daedalus’ Stalker Blog Links to Pro-Turner Diaries Video
Andrew Breitbart and ‘The Turner Diaries’

UPDATE at 4/16/14 6:00:43 pm

And just to follow up, the Mighty Greenwald has now admitted he did read that post and knew exactly what kind of site he was linking to:

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422 comments

1 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 11:47:57am
2 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 11:49:38am

This is exactly the sort of well researched and balanced reporting we’ve come to expect from GG

3 dog philosopher  Apr 16, 2014 11:52:31am

notice that the graphic on the lower right hand corner has been altered to say ‘stinkprogress’

??

4 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 11:53:14am

Had Adblock on and didn’t see the graphics.

5 jaunte  Apr 16, 2014 11:53:48am

re: #3 dog philosopher

That’s just how good GG is at vetting.

6 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2014 11:54:22am
7 dog philosopher  Apr 16, 2014 11:55:02am

Ukraine’s Push East Falters as Militants Seize Army Vehicles

2016 is sure to feature the slogan ‘who lost ukraine??’

8 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2014 11:55:11am

re: #3 dog philosopher

notice that the graphic on the lower right hand corner has been altered to say ‘stinkprogress’

??

That’s so they can claim it’s just “satire”, and we have no sense of humor…

9 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2014 11:55:53am

re: #5 jaunte

That’s just how good GG is at vetting.

Checking your sources is Old Dead-Tree Journalism.

10 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 11:56:47am

Glenn Greenwald has morphed into Jim Hoft.

11 jaunte  Apr 16, 2014 11:57:54am

re: #9 Decatur Deb

Someone is going to sell him a gold Bolex watch soon.

12 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 11:59:28am

If anyone is tempted to doubt this was an attack by Greenwald against me, please note that the post he’s linking to is titled “Will Johnson Apologize to Geller and Spencer?”

The answer to that question is the same as it’s always been. Fuck no.

13 Mattand  Apr 16, 2014 12:00:16pm

Haven’t been to DoD for a long while. This is maybe the 3rd time I’ve wandered over there.

Wow. It’s really creepy, in a “Dude, you need to see a psychiatrist about this unhealthy obsession” kind of way.

Again, just so I’m clear: DoD was founded because the site’s author or authors were banned here, and they now devote a huge amount of their personal time trying to prove… trying to destroy…

Shit. I’ve got nothing.

I’m not sure what’s worse: the fact that this guy is so Fatal Attraction about LGF, or that it’s poorly done.

14 Mattand  Apr 16, 2014 12:01:13pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

If anyone is tempted to doubt this was an attack by Greenwald against me, please note that the post he’s linking to is titled “Will Johnson Apologize to Geller and Spencer?”

The answer to that question is the same as it’s always been. Fuck no.

Apologize? For what?

15 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 12:01:36pm

re: #14 Mattand

Apologize? For what?

Not going insane

16 Lidane  Apr 16, 2014 12:04:11pm

I am so, so glad that I blocked that stupid stalker site and labeled it as malware. I also blocked all the idiot stalkers on Twitter.

What a surprise that Teh GG uses them as a source. *cough*

17 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 12:05:21pm

Pulitzer!

18 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 12:07:27pm

re: #13 Mattand

Haven’t been to DoD for a long while. This is maybe the 3rd time I’ve wandered over there.

Wow. It’s really creepy, in a “Dude, you need to see a psychiatrist about this unhealthy obsession” kind of way.

Again, just so I’m clear: DoD was founded because the site’s author or authors were banned here, and they now devote a huge amount of their personal time trying to prove… trying to destroy…

Shit. I’ve got nothing.

I’m not sure what’s worse: the fact that this guy is so Fatal Attraction about LGF, or that it’s poorly done.

Well if I am not mistaken, they will soon be a former website.

diaryofdaedalus.com

NOTICE: This domain name expired on 3/26/2014 and is pending renewal or deletion.

//// My disappointment, let me show you

19 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 12:07:35pm

The people who run that stalker site originally started a site called “littlegreenfootballs2 .com,” and blatantly stole every post I wrote and reposted it there, for several months.

That little group of psychos has tried to register over and over and over at LGF (probably hundreds of times by now), in order to steal content, spy on our users, and other kinds of sick stalker behavior. They’ve tried to get my Paypal account shut down, and have actively worked to cause harm to me for years.

20 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 12:08:02pm

re: #18 Bubblehead II

No, they have a new site now. Check the URL in the post above.

21 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 12:09:58pm

Damn! Well that shows you how much attention I paid them if my link is that far out of date.

22 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 16, 2014 12:11:25pm

Charles Johnson,

Greenwald Isn’t a very good journalist. He ought to be ashamed off himself. I once had a lot of respect for him, not anymore. I wonder if he’ll even attempt to do anything to save face after this. The guy appearently didn’t even bother to check his source, it just supported his thesis, so he used it, very sloppy.

23 Varek Raith  Apr 16, 2014 12:12:53pm

Fuck you Glenn.
Fuck you stalkers.

24 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 16, 2014 12:13:34pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

The people who run that stalker site originally started a site called “littlegreenfootballs2 .com,” and blatantly stole every post I wrote and reposted it there, for several months.

That little group of psychos has tried to register over and over and over at LGF (probably hundreds of times by now), in order to steal content, spy on our users, and other kinds of sick stalker behavior. They’ve tried to get my Paypal account shut down, and have actively worked to cause harm to me for years.

Might want to take some security measures maybe than. If these guys are that determined, might they ty to hack into LGF?

25 lawhawk  Apr 16, 2014 12:13:56pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

If anyone is tempted to doubt this was an attack by Greenwald against me, please note that the post he’s linking to is titled “Will Johnson Apologize to Geller and Spencer?”

The answer to that question is the same as it’s always been. Fuck no.

Apologize for what? Calling out Islamophobia and hatred? Calling out racism, and purveyors of hate? You have absolutely nothing to apologize for, and the hate-right crowd was justifiably banned for abusing their privileges here and promoting hate here. They still can’t get over the fact that that you’re still an insignificant blogger and someone who’s called them out for what they are and what they represent.

Your insignificance vexes them so. They are vexed. Especially Greenwald, who once again shows that he’s an awful journalist who doesn’t even understand researching your source materials to check accuracy. He falls into the same morass the rest of the right wing echo chamber has done, accepting information as true because it confirms a particular view. In Greenwald’s case, it’s even more egregious because he’s not a reporter or a journalist, but an opinionist who will say and do anything to further his agenda, including smearing those who call him out for it.

26 Dr Lizardo  Apr 16, 2014 12:18:48pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

If anyone is tempted to doubt this was an attack by Greenwald against me, please note that the post he’s linking to is titled “Will Johnson Apologize to Geller and Spencer?”

The answer to that question is the same as it’s always been. Fuck no.

Apologize to Geller and Spencer?

A laughable idea, to be sure. Apologizing to two fanatical hate-mongers who earn their bread and butter advocating the most flagrant bigotry?

Greenwald might as well suggest apologizing to Julius Streicher.

27 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 12:21:23pm
28 darthstar  Apr 16, 2014 12:22:28pm

Dude gets a $250 million dollar media empire and he uses it to come after you? This is so childish.

29 EdDantes  Apr 16, 2014 12:23:46pm

re: #28 darthstar

Dude gets a $250 million dollar media empire and he uses it to come after you? This is so childish.

What???

30 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2014 12:24:16pm

re: #27 Kragar

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hmmm…
BLM gave Bundy a deadline to remove his cows or face seizure of said cows.
Bundy blows off deadline.
BLM seizes cows.

Yep, TOTALLY the same thing as an armed mob.
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31 makeitstop  Apr 16, 2014 12:24:54pm

re: #27 Kragar

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They actually seem to get dumber by the day, don’t they?

32 Ace-o-aces  Apr 16, 2014 12:25:15pm

When I had a post on the front page about Jim Hoft “loosing” his health insurance DoD had two posts about it. And they didn’t mention my name ONCE! I was so sad.

33 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 12:26:25pm
34 Ace-o-aces  Apr 16, 2014 12:28:41pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmm…
BLM gave Bundy a deadline to remove his cows or face seizure of said cows.
Bundy blows off deadline.
BLM seizes cows.

Yep, TOTALLY the same thing as an armed mob.
///////////////

This thing has been going on since 1993. They’ve let this dude slide on his fees for 20 fucking years!

35 Varek Raith  Apr 16, 2014 12:29:41pm

re: #27 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Uh…
Nevermind.

36 Jack Burton  Apr 16, 2014 12:29:45pm

re: #27 Kragar

[Embedded content]

I about blew a gasket trying to argue with some dudebro about the Bundy situation on Facebook a few days ago. It’s like pounding your head into a brick wall that’s covered in salt and lemon juice.

The willful ignorance… they bathe in it and celebrate it, singing it’s praises.

37 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 12:30:00pm

So after updating my DoD link I popped on over to take a look. Unfortunately, I forgot my hazmat suit and now feel like I need a long hot shower.

38 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 12:30:30pm
39 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 12:41:16pm

Greenwald knows it’s fake.

40 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 12:42:42pm

re: #39 Gus

Greenwald knows it’s fake.

If he didn’t know when he tweeted that, he certainly knows now.

41 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 12:42:46pm
42 Jack Burton  Apr 16, 2014 12:43:04pm

re: #39 Gus

Greenwald knows it’s fake.

I’m sure not a single fuck was given by the Legion of Dudebros™ when told it was fake.

43 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 12:45:01pm
44 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 16, 2014 12:45:21pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

If he didn’t know when he tweeted that, he certainly knows now.

Yeah, but will he apologize and retract it?

45 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 12:45:42pm
46 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 12:46:04pm

re: #44 CriticalDragon1177

Yeah, but will he apologize and retract it?

Can I have some of what you are smoking? :-)

47 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 12:46:08pm

re: #44 CriticalDragon1177

Yeah, but will he apologize and retract it?

Someone will have to teach him how.

48 Dr Lizardo  Apr 16, 2014 12:46:14pm

re: #44 CriticalDragon1177

Yeah, but will he apologize and retract it?

That would require intellectual honesty and moral integrity. We’re talking Glenn Greenwald here.

49 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 12:46:22pm
50 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 16, 2014 12:47:51pm

re: #48 Dr Lizardo

That would require intellectual honesty and moral integrity. We’re talking Glenn Greenwald here.

True, unfortunately he doesn’t seem to have much of either of those.

51 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 16, 2014 12:48:31pm

Yikes!

52 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 12:49:20pm
53 Jack Burton  Apr 16, 2014 12:51:51pm

re: #44 CriticalDragon1177

Yeah, but will he apologize and retract it?

It will be summarily ignored, or a hefty dose of dudebro pretzel logic will be used to make him look right anyway.

54 CuriousLurker  Apr 16, 2014 12:52:08pm

re: #3 dog philosopher

notice that the graphic on the lower right hand corner has been altered to say ‘stinkprogress’

??

That jumped out at me right away. Perhaps GG’s hatred of Charles has blinded him. I can’t imagine a serious, professional journalist linking to that cesspool for any reason other than to illustrate the most putrid, slimy levels to which abject pathology can sink in certain corners of the web.

55 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 12:54:27pm
56 Amory Blaine  Apr 16, 2014 12:55:38pm

Mayor No Longer Wants To Discuss How Much He Agrees With Alleged Jewish Center Shooter

Clevenger told various outlets this week that while he doesn’t support the alleged deadly violence, he considered Miller to be a friend. He told television station KSPR that he “kind of agreed” with Miller and, indeed, seems to share the alleged gunman’s anti-Semitism.

He told KSPR that the country’s “false economy” is a byproduct of Jewish-run corporations and Jews who run the Federal Reserve. KSPR also unearthed a letter to the editor sent by Clevenger nearly a decade ago to a Missouri newspaper.

In the letter, Clevenger described himself as “a friend of Frazier Miller helping to spread his warnings.” He went on to decry the “Jew-run medical industry” and the “Jew-run government backed banking industry.”

57 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 12:55:40pm

re: #54 CuriousLurker

That jumped out at me right away. Perhaps GG’s hatred of Charles has blinded him. I can’t imagine a serious, professional journalist linking to that cesspool for any reason other than to illustrate the most putrid, slimy levels to which abject pathology can sink in certain corners of the web.

I figure GG clicked into that website, took a look around, inhaled deeply and said, ‘Smells like home!’

58 CuriousLurker  Apr 16, 2014 12:56:22pm

re: #57 wrenchwench

I figure GG clicked into that website, took a look around, inhaled deeply and said, ‘Smells like home!’

Hahahahaha, indeed!

59 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 12:58:15pm
60 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 12:58:42pm

Greenwald thinks of his Tweets as a form of internet journalism. Therefore, this smear, this fraudulent graphic, this libel, currently stands as his work.

61 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 1:00:16pm

re: #14 Mattand

Apologize? For what?

Definition of character.

62 darthstar  Apr 16, 2014 1:00:44pm

re: #60 Gus

Greenwald thinks of his Tweet as a form of internet journalism. Therefore, this smear, this fraudulent graphic, this libel, currently stands as his work.

GG’s tweets need an editor.

63 CuriousLurker  Apr 16, 2014 1:01:26pm

re: #56 Amory Blaine

Mayor No Longer Wants To Discuss How Much He Agrees With Alleged Jewish Center Shooter

Gawd, how I wish all these creeps would just slither back into the darkness under their rocks so we don’t have to hear or see them.

64 leftynyc  Apr 16, 2014 1:01:50pm

OT but Oy Vey

talkingpointsmemo.com

Missouri Mayor Says He ‘Kind Of Agreed’ With Alleged Jewish Center Shooter

“He was always nice and friendly and respectful of elder people, you know, he respected his elders greatly. As long as they were the same color as him,” Clevenger said while laughing, according to television station KSPR. “Very fair and honest and never had a bit of problems out of him.”

Clevenger said he sympathized with some of Miller’s views, but didn’t like to broadcast that.

“Kind of agreed with him on some things but, I don’t like to express that too much,” Clevenger, the owner of a local repair shop, said.

65 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 1:01:58pm

re: #27 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Unclear on the whole ‘self-government’ thing, I see.

66 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 1:02:24pm

re: #54 CuriousLurker

That jumped out at me right away. Perhaps GG’s hatred of Charles has blinded him. I can’t imagine a serious, professional journalist linking to that cesspool for any reason other than to illustrate the most putrid, slimy levels to which abject pathology can sink in certain corners of the web.

There’s no way anyone could read the post he linked to, and NOT KNOW what that site is about. This was a deliberate smear.

67 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 1:03:38pm
68 Jay in Oregon  Apr 16, 2014 1:04:14pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

The future of journalism!

(Also, very much the present in many ways.)

69 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 1:05:35pm

And now, to pick up a birthday cake for my wife’s 30th birthday.

I think this will be her 10th or 11th 30th birthday

70 CuriousLurker  Apr 16, 2014 1:07:17pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

There’s no way anyone could read the post he linked to, and NOT KNOW what that site is about. This was a deliberate smear.

I agree. There’s no way anyone could spend five minutes reading ANY post there and not recognize that pigsty for what it is. The only person Greenwald smeared was himself. He’s beyond pathetic.

71 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 1:07:54pm
72 EPR-radar  Apr 16, 2014 1:09:06pm

re: #68 Jay in Oregon

The future of journalism!

(Also, very much the present in many ways.)

One could also observe that Greenwald’s approach is a very traditional legal one, where the inquisitor (i.e., GG) knows all, and the only problem is how to make the target of the investigation confess to what the inquisitor already knows to be true.

Telling lies about what is happening can be an acceptable substitute for getting the confession, and is much easier to do.

73 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2014 1:09:08pm

re: #28 darthstar

Dude gets a $250 million dollar media empire and he uses it to come after you? This is so childish.

That is what I would say too. Big time journalists don’t act let a petty little 10 year old.

Hopefully his new boss/owner/backer gets wind of this and has a better feel for the character of his new main media man. If I gave GG that kind of money, I’d expect him to act a little more like a professional.

74 b_sharp  Apr 16, 2014 1:09:36pm

re: #54 CuriousLurker

That jumped out at me right away. Perhaps GG’s hatred of Charles has blinded him. I can’t imagine a serious, professional journalist linking to that cesspool for any reason other than to illustrate the most putrid, slimy levels to which abject pathology can sink in certain corners of the web.

You do have a way with words.

75 EdDantes  Apr 16, 2014 1:09:56pm

re: #12 Charles Johnsonre: #12 Charles Johnson

If anyone is tempted to doubt this was an attack by Greenwald against me, please note that the post he’s linking to is titled “Will Johnson Apologize to Geller and Spencer?”

The answer to that question is the same as it’s always been. Fuck no.

Youtube Video

76 Major Tom  Apr 16, 2014 1:10:27pm

I’m sorry you have to go through this crap, Charles. I respect LGF, for many reasons including your obvious sense of decency, and honest desire for truth. The integrity you show as an arbiter has me returning again and again. I recommend your site, even when I disagree with the opinions expressed, precisely because you keep such a well run site.

Take heart, because of your attention to detail, even a cursory glance on a random day will exonerate such undeserved and unjust claims made by Greenwald, and those who can’t debate, and are forced to attempt to discredit.

Just know, as long as you maintain your ethics, LGF’s integrity, and continue to just be you, you’ll have defenders.

77 GunstarGreen  Apr 16, 2014 1:11:56pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmm…
BLM gave Bundy a deadline to remove his cows or face seizure of said cows.
Bundy blows off deadline.
BLM seizes cows.

Yep, TOTALLY the same thing as an armed mob.
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Remember, the people you’re dealing with are those that see the collection of taxes as equivalent to “robbery at gunpoint”.

They actually do not believe that there is any such thing as a legitimate government, unless that government is doing exactly and precisely what they want it to do. Nothing more and nothing less.

78 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2014 1:15:05pm

re: #46 Bubblehead II

Can I have some of what you are smoking? :-)

I took that as a bit of a jab on Charles saying GG is expecting an apology from him for some stuff about Geller and Spencer. Maybe not…but I updinged him for the shot even if unintentional.

79 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 1:16:40pm

So now, the Tea Party bridge sniper has become the evidence that BLM was using snipers

80 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 1:17:24pm

re: #77 GunstarGreen

Remember, the people you’re dealing with are those that see the collection of taxes as equivalent to “robbery at gunpoint”.

They actually do not believe that there is any such thing as a legitimate government, unless that government is doing exactly and precisely what they want it to do. Nothing more and nothing less.

Freedom means I get to do what I want, and I get to stop you doing what I don’t want.

This is pretty much the core of modern Right Wing political and constitutional thinking. It really is that simple. Whether they clothe it in ‘Originalism’ or whatever half-baked legal philosophy they want, it all boils down to the same thing.

81 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 1:18:37pm

re: #79 Kragar

So now, the Tea Party bridge sniper has become the evidence that BLM was using snipers

[Embedded content]

Hey, somebody go tell that asshole with the rifle that people think he’s a Fed. That’ll go well.

82 Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2014 1:18:47pm

re: #67 Kragar

For some reason, every time I read the word “Quiverfull” I want to vomit.

83 jaunte  Apr 16, 2014 1:18:55pm

re: #79 Kragar

Those people are impossible to argue with:
Godwin in one.

84 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 1:20:01pm
85 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 1:21:02pm

re: #82 Skip Intro

For some reason, every time I read the word “Quiverfull” I want to vomit.

It’s completely ruined the concept of ‘A Shitload Of Arrows’ for me.
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86 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 1:23:01pm

re: #83 jaunte

Those people are impossible to argue with:
Godwin in one.

Just because nevada agreed in writing to renounce forever any claim to those lands doesn’t mean they renounced forever any claim to those lands!!!

87 jaunte  Apr 16, 2014 1:24:11pm

re: #86 GeneJockey

You know who else wrote words on paper? That’s right.

88 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 1:24:19pm

re: #82 Skip Intro

For some reason, every time I read the word “Quiverfull” I want to vomit.

My daughter wants to study accounting because she could use it to get a degree, become an officer in the military, then become an FBI agent.

These people want their daughters to be quiet, subservient, and breeders for the men folk.

They are disgustingly vile throwbacks who should be scorned and ostracized.

89 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 1:24:31pm

re: #87 jaunte

You know who else wrote words on paper? That’s right.

Jesus?

90 Killgore Trout  Apr 16, 2014 1:25:04pm

There was a lot of really bad journalism and misleading stories on this one yesterday. Daily Beast is just about the only decent article I’ve seen so far
Was it Justice or Politics that Killled the NYPD Muslim Spy Unit?

An NYPD unit tasked with spying on the city’s Muslims was publicly killed Tuesday, just days after a ruling that upheld its legal basis. So what gives?

91 Jack Burton  Apr 16, 2014 1:25:05pm

re: #83 jaunte

Those people are impossible to argue with:
Godwin in one.

I got Godwined in 2 comments on FB arguing about this. The only reason I bothered to continue was it wasn’t from the dudebros, it was from Broseph Troll, esq. (Devil’s Advocate)… so it was probably intentional.

92 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2014 1:25:19pm

re: #82 Skip Intro

For some reason, every time I read the word “Quiverfull” I want to vomit.

Yeah. Nothing says keep ‘em barefoot, unquestioning, pregnant and at home like QuiverFull.

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93 Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2014 1:26:11pm

re: #89 Kragar

Jesus?

BZZZZT! Wrong. Jesus couldn’t write - think about that.

94 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 1:26:11pm

re: #89 Kragar

Jesus?

Nah. He got others to write stuff. The end of the first draft of each Gospel used to say “Dictated, but not read”.
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95 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 16, 2014 1:26:19pm

re: #56 Amory Blaine

Mayor No Longer Wants To Discuss How Much He Agrees With Alleged Jewish Center Shooter

Marionville, MO, pop. 2225

The racial makeup of the city was 96.3% White, 0.4% Native American, 0.4% Asian, 0.3% from other races, and 2.6% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.5% of the population.

From the town website:

Marionville has a population of white squirrels, which is one of a handful of such populations in the United States. (emphasis added)

Who knew they were running the place though?

96 Bulworth  Apr 16, 2014 1:26:44pm

Well, remember, Nevada was one of the first 13 colonies, that banded with the others during the Revolution. ///

97 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 1:26:56pm
98 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2014 1:28:06pm

re: #87 jaunte

You know who else wrote words on paper? That’s right.

Shakespeare???

: )

99 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 1:29:03pm

re: #98 ObserverArt

Shakespeare???

: )

Millions of unnamed medieval monks?

Not Gutenberg, though. He used the printing press.

100 jaunte  Apr 16, 2014 1:29:12pm

re: #98 ObserverArt

Oh knave, another ream of foolscap!

101 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 1:31:17pm

BBIAB

102 jaunte  Apr 16, 2014 1:31:38pm
103 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 1:35:20pm

re: #101 Kragar

BBIAB

Bon-bons in a bowl?

104 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 16, 2014 1:35:24pm

re: #95 Shiplord Kirel

Marionville logo and banner:

The white squirrel was apparently Marionville’s main claim to fame before their mayor was exposed as a moronic nazi-sympathizing bigot.

105 CuriousLurker  Apr 16, 2014 1:35:40pm

re: #75 EdDantes

You must be having one of those occasional “just for the hell of it” days.

106 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 1:37:14pm

re: #104 Shiplord Kirel

Marionville logo and banner:

[Embedded image]

The white squirrel was apparently Marionville’s main claim to fame before their mayor was exposed as a moronic nazi-sympathizing bigot.

White squirrel, white supremacist - same/same.

107 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 1:37:46pm

O.o

108 William of Orange  Apr 16, 2014 1:37:52pm

I know Charles hates it when we link to content he doesn’t like, an example is this very thread in which no link to “Diaries of Daedalus” is given, but the things he writes about this issue between Charles and Greenwald is great to read. (Albeit with a healthy presence of mind and actually knowing about the material, in other words, without a tinfoil hat.)

…..but I won’t link of course! Hahaha! :-)

Daedalus needs to explain the word “Endagering” to me though…

I will let the man with infinite wisdom do the last word.

109 Ian G.  Apr 16, 2014 1:38:55pm

re: #82 Skip Intro

For some reason, every time I read the word “Quiverfull” I want to vomit.

Me too. It sounds like something right out of a totalitarian movement’s ludicrous dictionary, which, when you think about it, describes dominionist Christianity pretty well.

110 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 1:41:43pm

I love a parade.

111 Political Atheist  Apr 16, 2014 1:41:51pm

Okay now here we have a good page that is sure to be a handy reference on upcoming gun rights/self defense rights discussions.

Harvard Law Review no less.

112 darthstar  Apr 16, 2014 1:42:58pm

Filed my taxes last night around 8pm. Just got a text message that the Feds had accepted them.

No photo op.

113 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 1:44:03pm

This is so wrong on so many levels.

Watch: Fake kidnapping of young boy stirs anger in Sequim

SEQUIM, Wash. — Terror turned to outrage at a local park when parents realized a child kidnapping that played out before their eyes was actually faked — just to make a video

114 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 1:44:47pm

re: #112 darthstar

Filed my taxes last night around 8pm. Just got a text message that the Feds had accepted them.

No photo op.

We don’t know what you look like (well, I don’t), so you could find some stock photo of a guy at a computer hitting ‘Enter’…

115 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 1:44:56pm

This is such a bullshit response overall.

“Not the best source?” Really? Thanks for the link though.

116 EdDantes  Apr 16, 2014 1:45:15pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

All Rosa Parks did was sit her ass down.

117 Amory Blaine  Apr 16, 2014 1:45:41pm

re: #104 Shiplord Kirel

Marionville logo and banner:

[Embedded image]

The white squirrel was apparently Marionville’s main claim to fame before their mayor was exposed as a moronic nazi-sympathizing bigot.

“Even the squirrels are white!”

118 William of Orange  Apr 16, 2014 1:47:21pm

re: #116 EdDantes

All Rosa Parks did was sit her ass down.

Get your coat!

119 Amory Blaine  Apr 16, 2014 1:48:03pm

Barbershop.

120 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 1:48:20pm

re: #116 EdDantes

All Rosa Parks did was sit her ass down.

She went to jail for doing that.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but I don’t think you have it in you.

121 EdDantes  Apr 16, 2014 1:49:00pm

re: #116 EdDantes

Watch” Barbershop.”

122 jaunte  Apr 16, 2014 1:49:31pm

re: #119 Amory Blaine

Trolling.

123 goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2014 1:50:15pm

LOL, I wish I’d been active on Twitter when I made that Daedalus Turner Diaries page. I’d have more follower numbers and the ladies would be knocking down doors to get at my hot body.

OK, maybe not so much that second thing.

124 b_sharp  Apr 16, 2014 1:50:46pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

I love a parade.

[Embedded content]

Where’s the snow?

125 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2014 1:51:25pm

re: #104 Shiplord Kirel

Marionville logo and banner:

[Embedded image]

The white squirrel was apparently Marionville’s main claim to fame before their mayor was exposed as a moronic nazi-sympathizing bigot.

So they replaced a cute little rodent with an ordinary sewer rat?

126 b_sharp  Apr 16, 2014 1:52:08pm

re: #116 EdDantes

All Rosa Parks did was sit her ass down.

Dude!

WTF?

127 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 1:53:10pm

re: #121 EdDantes

Watch” Barbershop.”

If you’re quoting a movie, then italicize or put it in quotes. Otherwise, you come off as a jerk.

128 CuriousLurker  Apr 16, 2014 1:54:20pm

re: #126 b_sharp

Dude!

WTF?

Like jaunte said, trolling.

129 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 1:55:11pm

re: #126 b_sharp

Dude!

WTF?

Trolling, as usual.

130 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 1:55:21pm

re: #128 CuriousLurker

Like jaunte said, trolling.

Trolling, trolling, trolling,

O’er the pages scrolling,

Get those Lizards rolling,

Dante-e-es!

131 EdDantes  Apr 16, 2014 1:55:25pm

re: #121 EdDantes

Watch” Barbershop.”

No humor at LGF. Not surprised. Cedric the entertainer is a racist.

132 William of Orange  Apr 16, 2014 1:56:00pm

An endorsement by Playboy…. Figures…

133 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2014 1:56:09pm

re: #131 EdDantes

No humor at LGF. Not surprised. Cedric the entertainer is a racist.

Does he post here?

134 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 1:56:19pm

re: #131 EdDantes

No humor at LGF. Not surprised. Cedric the entertainer is a racist.

See above at 127

135 blueraven  Apr 16, 2014 1:57:33pm

re: #116 EdDantes

seek help for your substance abuse problem

136 Killgore Trout  Apr 16, 2014 1:57:46pm

re: #120 wrenchwench

She went to jail for doing that.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but I don’t think you have it in you.

The Barbershop Movie. The Truth According to Eddie

Youtube Video
I think that’s Cedrick the Entertainer, not sure if he wrote the line or not.

137 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 1:57:50pm

re: #121 EdDantes

Watch” Barbershop.”

I looked it up. You didn’t even get the quote right.

What did you mean by #75? Was that a defense of Geller?

138 Dr. Matt  Apr 16, 2014 1:58:29pm
139 Dr Lizardo  Apr 16, 2014 1:59:20pm

re: #138 Dr. Matt

File this under: “WTF!?!?” or “OUCH!”

Wu-Tang Clan-affiliated rapper severs own penis, jumps from 2nd floor balcony

I’d file that under both.

140 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 1:59:38pm

re: #124 b_sharp

Where’s the snow?

Your neighborhood? Oh, excuse me, ‘neighbourhood’.

Spring can’t hide forever…

141 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 1:59:51pm

re: #138 Dr. Matt

File this under: “WTF!?!?” or “OUCH!”

Wu-Tang Clan-affiliated rapper severs own penis, jumps from 2nd floor balcony

Second floor? That’s good for maybe a broken leg or so. If this was a suicide attempt, it was a really lousy one.

142 blueraven  Apr 16, 2014 2:00:03pm

re: #136 Killgore Trout

The Barbershop Movie. The Truth According to Eddie

[Embedded content]

I think that’s Cedrick the Entertainer, not sure if he wrote the line or not.

It doesn’t matter. He needs to be clear with those statements.
Its not like he hasn’t trolled mightily in the past.

143 kirkspencer  Apr 16, 2014 2:00:47pm

re: #131 EdDantes

No humor at LGF. Not surprised. Cedric the entertainer is a racist.

Actually I’ve seen the movie. Calvin (Ice cube) Eddie (Cedric the Entertainer) was trolling when he said it - and they all responded with the same outrage.

So yes. Trolling.

(edited to fix who said it. I remember the outrage.)

144 Killgore Trout  Apr 16, 2014 2:01:14pm

It looks like recent legalization is going to result in a lot of “Refer Maddness”-type reporting for a while

Denver mom shot to death after husband allegedly consumed marijuana edibles, began hallucinating: report

145 Dr. Matt  Apr 16, 2014 2:01:34pm

re: #116 EdDantes

All Rosa Parks did was sit her ass down.

Go away

146 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2014 2:02:53pm

Holy out of context. A bunch of fictional guys smack talkin’ in a barbershop about a woman that really does mean a lot to them as actors…but they be using it as a ball buster in the script, is the same as a guy weakly trolling a hacked up line from a movie to get a rise.

147 Political Atheist  Apr 16, 2014 2:03:02pm

re: #112 darthstar

Filed my taxes last night around 8pm. Just got a text message that the Feds had accepted them.

No photo op.

But you’ll divulge them as part of your campaign right?
:-)

148 Dr. Matt  Apr 16, 2014 2:03:08pm

re: #141 GeneJockey

Second floor? That’s good for maybe a broken leg or so. If this was a suicide attempt, it was a really lousy one.

I was thinking the same thing.

But, if he landed head first, a broken neck and cracked skull would do the job.

149 goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2014 2:03:29pm

re: #121 EdDantes

Watch” Barbershop.”

Not every comment one types into the comment box is a keeper, there’s nothing obligatory about hitting that post button.

Also, in Barbershop Cedric said “black ass.”

150 CuriousLurker  Apr 16, 2014 2:04:11pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

I love a parade.

[Embedded content]

I dunno, that NYC Muslim parade from the Daily Beast article looked pretty scary. Then there’s the NYPD Chaplain Imam and the NYPD Muslim Officers Society—*GASP* ZOMG hijab in the front row!!11!—they even have a FB presence and are building a website.

The horror! Someone get Geller on the phone, stat…

151 b_sharp  Apr 16, 2014 2:04:27pm

re: #140 wrenchwench

Your neighborhood? Oh, excuse me, ‘neighbourhood’.

Spring can’t hide forever…

it’s doing its damnedest here.

152 Killgore Trout  Apr 16, 2014 2:04:57pm

Ukraine military push appears to lose momentum in the east

Ukraine’s attempt to take back eastern towns from pro-Russian militants appeared to stall on Wednesday.

In Donetsk, six armored vehicles sent into the nearby city of Kramatorsk in the morning later showed up carrying Russian flags in Slaviansk.

Russian Ambassador to the EU Vladimir Chizhov told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour those Ukrainian soldiers “preferred to switch sides and join the people.” Ukraine’s Defense Ministry said the vehicles had been seized by militants

153 EdDantes  Apr 16, 2014 2:05:29pm

<re: #137 wrenchwench

I looked it up. You didn’t even get the quote right.
What was the actual quote?

154 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 2:07:21pm

155 freetoken  Apr 16, 2014 2:08:06pm

I see that Greenwald is demonstrating his high journalistic standards, again.

156 goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2014 2:08:38pm

re: #131 EdDantes

No humor at LGF. Not surprised. Cedric the entertainer is a racist.

Naw, I got it. It’s just not that funny even if you know the source.

For one thing you edited it. For another, it was a stretch at best tying that to Wrenchwench’s post about a parade. Thirdly, even in the movie that comment was intended to be used to illustrate the dynamics / rules of conversation within a black barbershop more than it was actually intended to be funny.

157 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 2:09:36pm

OT, but there’s a photo of a dead (I hope) giant squid on a beach below with the suggestion that I should eat it, and never worry about high blood pressure again.

I can only assume that’s because it will kill me.

158 EdDantes  Apr 16, 2014 2:10:56pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

[Embedded image]

These things spin way out of control. Do what you must do.

159 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 2:11:34pm

re: #155 freetoken

I see that Greenwald is demonstrating his high journalistic standards, again. usual sophomoric attempt at journalism again

ftfy

160 Dr. Matt  Apr 16, 2014 2:11:35pm
re: #154 Charles Johnson

[Embedded image]

x2

161 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 2:12:46pm
162 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 2:12:47pm

re: #158 EdDantes

These things spin way out of control. Do what you must do.

If that’s a flounce, it is way lame.

163 EdDantes  Apr 16, 2014 2:14:08pm

re: #162 Bubblehead II

If that’s a flounce, it is way lame.

What is the graceful way to leave?

164 gwangung  Apr 16, 2014 2:14:55pm

Silence is golden.

165 dog philosopher  Apr 16, 2014 2:15:08pm

re: #157 GeneJockey

OT, but there’s a photo of a dead (I hope) giant squid on a beach below with the suggestion that I should eat it, and never worry about high blood pressure again.

I can only assume that’s because it will kill me.

One Weird Trick Doctors Hate Will Make You Fed Up With The Internet Forever

166 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 2:15:23pm

re: #163 EdDantes

What is the graceful way to leave?

An E-Mail to Charles politely asking him to close your account seems to be an acceptable means.

167 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 2:16:13pm

re: #166 Bubblehead II

Actually, I don’t do that. Nobody forces anyone to post comments here; if they don’t want to, they can just stop.

168 EdDantes  Apr 16, 2014 2:16:15pm

re: #166 Bubblehead II

An E-Mail to Charles politely asking him to close your account seems to be an acceptable means.

Done!

169 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 2:17:38pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

Actually, I don’t do that. Nobody forces anyone to post comments here; if they don’t want to, they can just stop.

re: #168 EdDantes

Done!

Well there you go. One of the weakest flounces I’ve seen in years.

170 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 2:18:34pm

re: #166 Bubblehead II

An E-Mail to Charles politely asking him to close your account seems to be an acceptable means.

If you’re a passive aggressive twit perhaps

171 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 2:19:42pm

172 goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2014 2:20:04pm

re: #169 Bubblehead II

Well there you go. One of the weakest flounces I’ve seen in years.

Not the first time he’s done this.

Youtube Video

173 EdDantes  Apr 16, 2014 2:20:28pm

re: #169 Bubblehead II

Well there you go. One of the weakest flounces I’ve seen in years.

You want fireworks and streamers! Denunciations? Contumely?

174 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2014 2:20:31pm

re: #171 wrenchwench

[Embedded image]

The Kat in the Cat Hat!

175 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2014 2:21:23pm

re: #138 Dr. Matt

File this under: “WTF!?!?” or “OUCH!”

Wu-Tang Clan-affiliated rapper severs own penis, jumps from 2nd floor balcony

If that was the Romeo and juliette scene, he did it wrong.

176 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 2:22:33pm
177 b_sharp  Apr 16, 2014 2:22:49pm

I miss the good old days when a flounce was crafted of a fine sense of irony, zealotry and persecution with just a touch of broken grammar.

178 CuriousLurker  Apr 16, 2014 2:23:19pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

[Embedded image]

Can you at least please try to recruit some higher quality trolls for us? The ones that are left are really boring, too lazy to even break a sweat. They just toss some lame crap into the threads, and then any response is treated as if it was accompanied by…

OUTRAGE! Hysteria! Tone policing!

179 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 2:24:21pm

re: #177 b_sharp

I miss the good old days when a flounce was crafted of a fine sense of irony, zealotry and persecution with just a touch of broken grammar.

I love a romantic.

180 Jack Burton  Apr 16, 2014 2:24:23pm

re: #166 Bubblehead II

An E-Mail to Charles politely asking him to close your account seems to be an acceptable means.

Why can’t people just close their browser and go away and not come back? The only reason to flounce or ask to be deleted is to make a stupid pointless scene or get a martyr cookie they can take to other forums to bitch about this place.

181 kirkspencer  Apr 16, 2014 2:25:09pm

re: #180 Jack Burton

Why can’t people just close their browser and go away and not come back? The only reason to flounce or ask to be deleted is to make a stupid pointless scene or get a martyr cookie they can take to other forums to bitch about this place.

mmmmm. martyr cookies. So delicious with troll tears.

182 bratwurst  Apr 16, 2014 2:26:18pm

re: #173 EdDantes

183 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 2:26:22pm

re: #180 Jack Burton

Why can’t people just close their browser and go away and not come back? The only reason to flounce or ask to be deleted is to make a stupid pointless scene or get a martyr cookie they can take to other forums to bitch about this place.

I wonder what precipitated the urge to visit this thread?

184 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 2:26:49pm

re: #180 Jack Burton

Why can’t people just close their browser and go away and not come back? The only reason to flounce or ask to be deleted is to make a stupid pointless scene or get a martyr cookie they can take to other forums to bitch about this place.

To simple I guess. But we haven’t had a good drama queen in years.

185 Amory Blaine  Apr 16, 2014 2:29:38pm
186 thedopefishlives  Apr 16, 2014 2:29:54pm

Evening Lizardim from the snowbound wild north country. I see I arrived mid-flounce (or perhaps shortly post-flounce); I’m not sure I even want to know. Watching the snowflakes fly while the troll barbecue is warming up is oddly therapeutic. On the topic of this thread, so the Charles-hating League of Extraordinary Dumbasses is starting to take shape. Greenwald and Rodan, who’s next?

187 Dr Lizardo  Apr 16, 2014 2:30:36pm

re: #182 bratwurst

[Embedded image]

One of my all-time favorite song lyrics is:

Absence makes the heart grow fonder
So I never wanna see you again.

-X How (I Learned My Lesson)

Youtube Video

188 Jack Burton  Apr 16, 2014 2:33:04pm

There are a few particular subjects that come up here from time to time that I avoid, because I disagree with the vast majority opinion here. I don’t think it’s my job to try to change anyone’s mind beyond a certain level of effort/time and feel no need to argue with people that I agree with 80+% of the time. So I go do something else and save the blood pressure increase. There’s all kinds of things to do and places to go on the internet and then there’s this mystic thing referred to as “RL”. Try it some time.

Last thing I’m going to do is drop into the middle of one of those threads and be a passive aggressive dickhead, drop in an out of context or clearly bad joke at just the wrong time, or something just as asinine begging to be banned.

189 CuriousLurker  Apr 16, 2014 2:33:11pm

re: #180 Jack Burton

re: #181 kirkspencer

Speaking of, fresh from the oven:

Martyr Cookies

190 Dr. Matt  Apr 16, 2014 2:33:15pm

re: #178 CuriousLurker

Can you at least please try to recruit some higher quality trolls for us? The ones that are left are really boring, too lazy to even break a sweat

No kidding….

Yaaaaaaaawwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn

191 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2014 2:33:26pm

re: #183 wrenchwench

I wonder what precipitated the urge to visit this thread?

It’s Thursday of the first week of Ordinary Time. Traditionally, Orthodox Celts burn a sock.

Youtube Video

192 Lidane  Apr 16, 2014 2:33:33pm

re: #186 thedopefishlives

On the topic of this thread, so the Charles-hating League of Extraordinary Dumbasses is starting to take shape. Greenwald and Rodan, who’s next?

Barrett Brown and Dim Hoft, of course.

193 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 16, 2014 2:33:48pm

re: #104 Shiplord Kirel

Marionville logo and banner:

[Embedded image]

The white squirrel was apparently Marionville’s main claim to fame before their mayor was exposed as a moronic nazi-sympathizing bigot.

Keep him away from Pittsburgh then. The squirrels over in Schenley Park and Squirrel Hill wear little caps.
// ;)

195 thedopefishlives  Apr 16, 2014 2:34:16pm

re: #192 Lidane

Barrett Brown and Dim Hoft, of course.

We need to start assigning them superpowers. Hypnowald, well, that one’s obvious. What about the rest of the crew?

196 Jack Burton  Apr 16, 2014 2:35:27pm

re: #192 Lidane

Barrett Brown and Dim Hoft, of course.

Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, Robert S. McDoucheCain.

197 William of Orange  Apr 16, 2014 2:37:41pm

Serious problem in Russia!

Teleporting traffic…

Youtube Video

198 Lidane  Apr 16, 2014 2:37:51pm

re: #195 thedopefishlives

We need to start assigning them superpowers. Hypnowald, well, that one’s obvious. What about the rest of the crew?

Dim Hoft’s super power is somehow managing to dress and feed himself without needing a crash helmet.

199 Amory Blaine  Apr 16, 2014 2:38:18pm

Hopefully they can sew that thing back on.

200 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 2:38:22pm

re: #195 thedopefishlives

We need to start assigning them superpowers. Hypnowald, well, that one’s obvious. What about the rest of the crew?

Hypnotoad say NO!

r33b.net

201 Lidane  Apr 16, 2014 2:38:43pm

Because the Texas GOP is apparently too librul:

202 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 2:39:18pm
203 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2014 2:40:02pm

::head:: ::desk::

204 William of Orange  Apr 16, 2014 2:40:46pm
205 Lidane  Apr 16, 2014 2:41:29pm

re: #202 Kragar

Western Journalism is Joseph Farah’s publishing company. They also inflict World Nut Daily on the rest of us.

206 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2014 2:42:34pm

re: #199 Amory Blaine

Hopefully they can sew that thing back on.

Jim Hoft’s helmet?

207 Varek Raith  Apr 16, 2014 2:43:04pm

re: #197 William of Orange

>Serious problem in Russia!

Teleporting traffic…

[Embedded content]

Dammit, Jim. I’m a doctor not an engineer!

208 jaunte  Apr 16, 2014 2:43:05pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s a curly horn, so you can tell he’s serious.

209 Amory Blaine  Apr 16, 2014 2:43:05pm
210 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2014 2:43:25pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

::head:: ::desk::

[Embedded content]

OK, is he supposed to be Aaron or Beowulf?

211 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 2:44:03pm

re: #205 Lidane

Western Journalism is Joseph Farah’s publishing company. They also inflict World Nut Daily on the rest of us.

That makes it even better

212 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 2:44:24pm
213 EPR-radar  Apr 16, 2014 2:45:05pm

re: #208 jaunte

It’s a curly horn, so you can tell he’s serious.

…about going back to the stone age.

214 thedopefishlives  Apr 16, 2014 2:46:16pm

re: #212 Gus

[Embedded content]

That’s some award-winnin’ journalism there, Lou.

215 Jack Burton  Apr 16, 2014 2:47:17pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

OK, is he supposed to be Aaron or Beowulf?

It’s the Horn of Winter. Blowing it will destroy the Wall of Big Government and allow all the White WalkersFree Patriots to take back their country from hordes of brown moochers from the East.

…or some shit.

216 thedopefishlives  Apr 16, 2014 2:47:53pm

re: #215 Jack Burton

It’s the Horn of Winter. Blowing it will destroy the Wall of Big Government and allow all the White WalkersFree Patriots to take back their country from hordes of brown moochers from the East.

Oh, so he’s Joshua, then.

217 Lidane  Apr 16, 2014 2:48:18pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

WTF is the point of blowing that horn? I don’t get it.

218 freetoken  Apr 16, 2014 2:48:37pm

re: #217 Lidane

It’s a religious play, sort of like at Christmas.

219 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 2:48:59pm
220 kirkspencer  Apr 16, 2014 2:49:08pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

::head:: ::desk::

[Embedded content]

I see four flags in that picture, and the US is not the highest.

221 Jack Burton  Apr 16, 2014 2:49:12pm

re: #217 Lidane

WTF is the point of blowing that horn? I don’t get it.

The Hunters are holding the conch.

222 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2014 2:49:30pm

re: #217 Lidane

WTF is the point of blowing that horn? I don’t get it.

Redneck reveille.

223 jaunte  Apr 16, 2014 2:50:19pm

re: #217 Lidane

Children’s Bible song:

Joshua fought the battle of Jericho,
Jericho, Jericho,
Joshua fought the battle of Jericho,
And the walls came tumbling down!
Right up to the walls of Jericho
They marched with spear in hand;
“Go blow them ram horns,” Joshua cried,
“Cause the battle is in my hand.”

224 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 2:51:02pm

re: #212 Gus

[Embedded content]

[…]

To be clear and contra-Charlie-Pierce, this isn’t about whether Greenwald is a jerkass, it’s about how far he’ll go in pursuit of his agenda, be it misinforming the public or smearing enemies using fake graphics from hate-sites.

What’s the reference to Charlie Pierce about?

225 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2014 2:51:17pm

re: #208 jaunte

It’s a curly horn, so you can tell he’s serious.

many curls
such serious
wow

226 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 2:51:25pm

re: #217 Lidane

WTF is the point of blowing that horn? I don’t get it.

He thought he’d blow a different part of a sheep for once

227 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 2:52:45pm

re: #226 Kragar

He thought he’d blow a different part of a sheep for once

Oh, ewe.

228 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2014 2:53:21pm

re: #226 Kragar

He thought he’d blow a different part of a sheep for once

Didn’t think they’d cotton to sheeplovers in cow country.

229 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2014 2:53:58pm

re: #217 Lidane

WTF is the point of blowing that horn? I don’t get it.

My best guess is shofar/Passover/tumble down the walls/Rapture.

230 jaunte  Apr 16, 2014 2:54:03pm

re: #228 Decatur Deb

There are many mansions in the Bundy barn.

231 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2014 2:54:35pm

re: #219 Charles Johnson

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Charles, Greenwald is NOT a Pulitzer winner.

232 Lidane  Apr 16, 2014 2:55:53pm

re: #223 jaunte

Huh. Never heard it. Or if I did, I don’t remember it. Maybe they didn’t play it in Catholic churches.

233 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2014 2:56:08pm

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

My best guess is shofar/Passover/tumble down the walls/Rapture.

Swarm of Locusts warning.

234 Lancelot Link  Apr 16, 2014 2:56:44pm

re: #202 Kragar

That really is unbelievable!
As in, I don’t believe it.

235 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 2:57:08pm

re: #224 wrenchwench

What’s the reference to Charlie Pierce about?

This maybe.

Was some other stuff going on with Pierce and Cesca. I don’t follow Pierce and have zero interest in his writings even if I agree with some of it.

236 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2014 2:57:11pm

re: #232 Lidane

Huh. Never heard it. Or if I did, I don’t remember it. Maybe they didn’t play it in Catholic churches.

You obviously didn’t go to Camp Fatima.

237 thedopefishlives  Apr 16, 2014 2:57:32pm

re: #232 Lidane

Huh. Never heard it. Or if I did, I don’t remember it. Maybe they didn’t play it in Catholic churches.

We had someone who liked to blow the shofar in one of my previous churches. It’s not exactly a common thing as far as I’m aware.

238 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2014 2:58:04pm

re: #187 Dr Lizardo

One of my all-time favorite song lyrics is:

-X How (I Learned My Lesson)

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Thanks for that! I hadn’t heard that X song in years. I always liked those guys, saw ‘em once at Bogart’s in Cincinnati a long time ago. Good times. I loved Exene Cervenka’s vocal paring with John Doe. That off harmony really worked with the punk-a-billy thing going on with Billy Zoom.

239 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2014 2:59:30pm

re: #237 thedopefishlives

We had someone who liked to blow the shofar in one of my previous churches. It’s not exactly a common thing as far as I’m aware.

Some pastors treat the help better than others.

240 makeitstop  Apr 16, 2014 3:00:43pm

re: #238 ObserverArt

Thanks for that! I hadn’t heard that X song in years. I always liked those guys, saw ‘em once at Bogart’s in Cincinnati a long time ago. Good times. I loved Exene Cervenka’s vocal paring with John Doe. That off harmony really worked with the punk-a-billy thing going on with Billy Zoom.

Exene, sadly, has gone all weird on us.

241 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 3:01:26pm

re: #235 Gus

This maybe.

Was some other stuff going on with Pierce and Cesca. I don’t follow Pierce and have zero interest in his writings even if I agree with some of it.

TY.

242 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2014 3:03:47pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

::head:: ::desk::

It is stunning to see just how utterly embarrassing 20% of America has become

Wasn’t he also in some of the news videos over the weekend. They were yakking with a guy that looked like that about how they were all there to support Bundy and if they had to share some blood, well.

Problem is, so many of the guys had that same look. Grey-haired, white bearded white dude in camo with an AR style rifle.

243 makeitstop  Apr 16, 2014 3:04:29pm

re: #235 Gus

This maybe.

Was some other stuff going on with Pierce and Cesca. I don’t follow Pierce and have zero interest in his writings even if I agree with some of it.

Pierce is taking some heat for his support of the GG. I noticed commenters at Driftglass’ place were complaining about Pierce the other day.

244 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2014 3:05:48pm

re: #242 ObserverArt

Wasn’t he also in some of the news videos over the weekend. They were yakking with a guy that looked like that about how they were all there to support Bundy and if they had to share some blood, well.

Problem is, so many of the guys had that same look. Grey-haired, white bearded white dude in camo with an AR style rifle.

yeah, they all just blend into one big grey blur now.

245 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 3:08:51pm
246 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2014 3:09:29pm

re: #240 makeitstop

Exene, sadly, has gone all weird on us.

Awwww. That’s sad. Oh well. Lot of that going on these days. I think we’d all be surprised how many and what people think like that.

247 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 3:09:37pm
248 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2014 3:10:13pm

The shofar is primarily used in Jewish ceremonies but it also makes appearances in certain branches of Christianity. Typically, in that context it is used as a call to wake up/call to action. In the Jewish tradition, it is used for several specific purposes.

I am sure our resident pie baking overlord can shed more light on it.

249 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2014 3:12:43pm

re: #248 Eclectic Cyborg

The shofar is primarily used in Jewish ceremonies but it also makes appearances in certain branches of Christianity. Typically, in that context it is used as a call to wake up/call to action. In the Jewish tradition, it is used for several specific purposes.

I am sure our resident pie baking overlord can shed more light on it.

True. But using a shofar at Bundy Ranch during Passover is pretty blatant.

250 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2014 3:13:58pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

True. But using a shofar at Bundy Ranch during Passover is pretty blatant bleatant.

251 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 16, 2014 3:14:40pm

re: #250 Decatur Deb

They’re just calling in a flyover of drones.
/

252 thedopefishlives  Apr 16, 2014 3:15:30pm

re: #250 Decatur Deb

Oh, now that was just baaaaaad.

253 CuriousLurker  Apr 16, 2014 3:16:02pm

Tee-hee, I think next time the trolling starts in addition to offering martyr cookies we should do this, in unison:

Youtube Video

And if the trolling involves whining about liberals, we should follow the martyr cookies & ululation with this—on a loop, to drown it out:

Youtube Video

LOL—seriously guys, I went to the doctor yesterday and they put me on a new 3rd med to control my blood pressure (in addition to the two I’m already taking for hypertension & diabetes). Letting these trolling, grousing, smug assholes get to you and fuck up your day is totally not worth the agita.

Your sincerity is wasted on them. But, hey, look at it like this: None of us—liberal, centrist, conservative, Christian, Muslim, Jew, atheist, whatever—is getting out of this world alive, so just point & laugh and enjoy the time you have because 50 or 100 years from now there might not be anyone alive who even remembers your name. To borrow from Omar Khayyam, “…know yourself a snowdrift in the sand, heaped for two days or three, then thawed and gone.”

And on that note, I’m going to go find something to make me smile.

Later, lizards. ;o)

254 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 3:20:47pm

Oh my.

“So then I’m driving to work, bleeding all over the place, thinking, this is crazy!” she said. “I have a Chihuahua in the front seat, a great horned owl in the back seat. This is not normal.”

It’s a must-read: adn.com

255 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 3:22:09pm

Need some help here Lizards. How do you do a word search of a PDF document using Firefox?

256 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 3:22:30pm

re: #253 CuriousLurker

{{{CL}}}

Take care of yourself!

257 CuriousLurker  Apr 16, 2014 3:24:22pm

re: #255 Bubblehead II

Need some help here Lizards. How do you do a word search of a PDF document using Firefox?

Ctrl + F

258 lawhawk  Apr 16, 2014 3:26:57pm

re: #253 CuriousLurker

This should put a smile on yours, and most anyone else.

The videographer captured the essence of Southern Utah, including Moab, Canyonlands, and Arches all in 4k detail.

theatlantic.com

Boy do I want to go back…

259 goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2014 3:27:50pm

re: #247 Charles Johnson

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I think we can all agree that LGF’s past was, let’s say “checkered.” You were taking on a lot all at once in a time marked by a crap ton of sociological weirdness, and hadn’t yet developed the technical tools necessary for exerting the kind of control you have today over the blog’s environment. The result was that a lot of the people who feel comfortable and welcome posting here now deliberately avoided the place back then. Certainly some hateful shit got posted by some hateful users, all of whom are blocked and deleted now.

The thing that’s really detestable about the attacks from people like Mona Howard and Glen Greenwald isn’t just the lack of nuance and detail that goes with Twitter. It’s the sheer dishonesty, the obstinate refusal to examine the past in anything but the most opportunistic needs of the current argument they want to win.

I didn’t like the old LGF, pretty much at all. Certain memes that kept popping up really bothered me, i.e. “religion of peace.” But the constant growth and desire to grow, to improve, to be true to yourself instead of remaining safely in the folds of the conservative blog community was apparent many, many years ago. And the charge of “hate site” isn’t just not instructive in the case of old LGF, it dangerously diminishes the level of hatred and harm characteristic of actual hate sites.

260 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 16, 2014 3:28:03pm

re: #187 Dr Lizardo

One of my all-time favorite song lyrics is:

-X How (I Learned My Lesson)

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Love X. Seen them three times & John Doe once on a solo tour. Excellent music & better lyrics. Far and away the best band out of the LA scene.

261 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 3:29:11pm
262 dog philosopher  Apr 16, 2014 3:29:51pm

hmmm i don’t think i can afford contumely sounds too expensive i’ll just stick with regular insults thank you

263 goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2014 3:32:30pm

The first blog I spent any time on was intended to be a radical free speech experiment, dedicated to the 1st Amendment. There were some posters who said all kinds of insane, hateful, racist shit. Whole screeds on supremacy contrasted against deeply thoughtful and contemplative discussions about every topic imaginable.

It fell apart, in retrospect obviously, due to the owner’s over-principled refusal to deal with trolls.

264 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 3:33:43pm
265 palomino  Apr 16, 2014 3:34:35pm

re: #116 EdDantes

All Rosa Parks did was sit her ass down.

Were you lobotomized earlier today?

266 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 3:35:08pm
267 Killgore Trout  Apr 16, 2014 3:37:50pm

re: #266 wrenchwench

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Hooray!

268 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 3:38:36pm

You know what this is about? In a nutshell this is another case of “I am rubber you are glue” logic. Yes, if you can call it logic. But Greenwald here is responding to the accusation that Max Blumenthal helped inspire the Kansas Jewish Community center shooter, Frazier Glenn Miller. Greenwald here is essentially saying, “oh yeah, Charles Johnson helped inspire Anders Brievik. It’s that dumb folks.

270 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 3:38:59pm

re: #267 Killgore Trout

Hooray!

Yes, except ‘majority’ leaves me wondering about what happened to the rest.

271 Dr Lizardo  Apr 16, 2014 3:40:57pm

re: #266 wrenchwench

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Good.

272 Killgore Trout  Apr 16, 2014 3:41:24pm
In a brief statement sent to media, spokesman Major General Chris Olukolade said one of the “terrorists” involved in Monday’s abduction of female students from the Chibok government secondary school in northeast Borno state had been captured.

That is going to be one very unhappy terrorist when they get done tuning him up.

273 thedopefishlives  Apr 16, 2014 3:41:28pm

re: #268 Gus

You know what this is about? In a nutshell this is another case of “I am rubber you are glue” logic. Yes, if you can call it logic. But Greenwald here is responding to the accusation that Max Blumenthal helped inspire the Kansas Jewish Community center shooter, Frazier Glenn Miller. Greenwald here is essentially saying, “oh yeah, Charles Johnson helped inspire Anders Brievik. It’s that dumb folks.

Not that we expected anything resembling professionalism or maturity from Greenwald, really. This is the guy who throws an emo fit every time someone dares to disagree with him.

274 Killgore Trout  Apr 16, 2014 3:43:10pm

re: #270 wrenchwench

Yes, except ‘majority’ leaves me wondering about what happened to the rest.

Early reports look like 8 or so are still unaccounted for. If true it would be a miracle. African police aren’t know for restraint when rescuing hostages, there are often a lot of casualties.

275 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 3:43:25pm

re: #272 Killgore Trout

That is going to be one very unhappy terrorist when they get done tuning him up.

This was even worse and got even less publicity here (from what I saw):

It occurred the same day a bomb blast, also blamed on Boko Haram, killed 75 people on the edge of the capital Abuja, stirring fears of violence spreading from the north of Africa’s No. 1 oil producer and most populous nation.

276 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 3:43:29pm

re: #268 Gus

You know what this is about? In a nutshell this is another case of “I am rubber you are glue” logic. Yes, if you can call it logic. But Greenwald here is responding to the accusation that Max Blumenthal helped inspire the Kansas Jewish Community center shooter, Frazier Glenn Miller. Greenwald here is essentially saying, “oh yeah, Charles Johnson helped inspire Anders Brievik. It’s that dumb folks.

I don’t know what search terms Greenwald used to pull up this article but if you Google “breivik right wing blogs” the stalker blog is not on the front page, although the ThinkProgress article is. It’s clear to me that Greenwald went out and maliciously tried to dig up something to smear me with.

277 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 3:44:08pm

re: #257 CuriousLurker

Thanks. Going through Andrews Breiviks manifesto. And yes LGF and Charles are in fact mentioned.

“I checked the front page of the major American “anti-Jihad” website Little GreenFootballs (LGF) from Friday 19 to Tuesday September 23 2008 to check what blogger Charles Johnson wrote about the demonstration. As far as I could see, he remained completely silent on the subject, yet there is no doubt that he was aware of the event. On Sep 8 he wrote about Fascists Hijacking Anti-Jihadism in Cologne”[18]” and stated that “Here we go again, as an all - star cast of European fascists hijacks the anti-jihad movement for their own sick political purposes.”

“I have watched, for the better part of a year, a number of decent human beings including, but not limited to, Pamela Geller, Paul Belien, Diana West, the Baron and Dymphna from the Gates of Vienna blog and many others, being at the receiving end of a vicious smear campaign from Charles Johnson and Little Green Footballs which is unlike anything I have seen in my life. After engaging in an insane witch - hunt on imaginary Fascists, whose ranks seem to grow every month, Mr. Johnson now suddenly chooses to look the other way in silence when very real Fascists use violence to silence their critics in a major Western city. I admit that makes me angry, and I think I have the right to be so.”

So yes, Charles and LGF were in fact mentioned in his manifesto. But not in a very flattering way.

While I can’t give the DoD a full pants on fire rating for the altered graph, they knew damn well that any mention of Charles and LGF was NEGATIVE and hoped no one would actually fact check them.

Guess again assholes.

278 bubba zanetti  Apr 16, 2014 3:44:47pm

re: #264 Gus

There’s some troll/stalker poutrage going on in the comments.

279 thedopefishlives  Apr 16, 2014 3:44:48pm

re: #276 Charles Johnson

I don’t know what search terms Greenwald used to pull up this article but if you Google “breivik right wing blogs” the stalker blog is not on the front page, although the ThinkProgress article is. It’s clear to me that Greenwald went out and maliciously tried to dig up something to smear me with.

One wonders if Greenwald is among the stalker crew or has contacts therein. You and him have had some history before the whole Snowden hullabaloo, correct?

280 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 3:45:37pm

re: #277 Bubblehead II

As I’ve been saying, that quote is not from Breivik. It’s contained in an article by Fjordman that Breivik copied and pasted, as he did with dozens and dozens of other articles. Those are not Breivik’s words.

281 Jay C  Apr 16, 2014 3:45:39pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

I’m actually surprised that the NYPD’s formal “disbandment”* of its anti-Muslim “Demographics Unit” hasn’t engendered a lot more froth and bile from the usual Asshole Brigade, shrilling away about “victory for Sharia” or “creeping Jihad” or whatever: not that I would click Pam Geller’s site if you paid me (OK, but only if you paid me A LOT); but this would seem to be exactly the sort of thing that would get the Muslim-baiters all in a snit. Maybe it’s a good sign….?

Anyway, it’s probably a good deal of less-than-meets-the-eye: apparently the NYPD’s formerly-covert program was outed in 2011, and once exposed, was revealed to have accomplished basically nothing for an entire decade. Commissioner Bratton is probably just publicizing pulling the plug on to generate a little positive PR from the local Muslim community - who are, after all, probably no more or less law-abiding than any other New Yorkers (which isn’t saying a lot!)

* my guess is the demise of the “Demographics Unit” is mainly for the cameras: I’m sure that some (vastly more subtle) intelligence effort is still going to be going on.

282 lawhawk  Apr 16, 2014 3:46:47pm

Meanwhile, the South Korean ferry disaster is only going to get a whole lot worse. 290 missing, and the death toll is sure to climb.

With their breathing room disappearing, the 36-year-old businessman and some of the other passengers floated to an exit and swam to a nearby fishing boat. But 290 of the 475 people aboard — many of them high school students on a class trip — were still missing after the ferry sank Wednesday off the southern coast of South Korea. Six were confirmed dead and 55 were injured.

Early Thursday, divers, helicopters and boats continued to search for survivors from the ferry, which slipped beneath the surface until only the blue-tipped, forward edge of the keel was visible. The high number of people unaccounted for — possibly trapped in the ship or floating in the chilly water nearby — raised fears that the death toll could increase drastically.

It was still unknown why the ferry sank, and the coast guard was interviewing the captain and crew. The Sewol, a 146-meter (480-foot) vessel that can hold more than 900 people, set sail Tuesday from Incheon, in northwestern South Korea, on an overnight, 14-hour journey to the tourist island of Jeju.

About 9 a.m. Wednesday, when it was three hours from Jeju, the ferry sent a distress call after it began listing to one side, according to the Ministry of Security and Public Administration.

Passenger Kim Seong-mok told broadcaster YTN that after having breakfast, he felt the ferry tilt and then heard it crash into something. He said an announcement told passengers to not move from their places and that he never heard another about evacuating.

Absolutely horrific.

283 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 3:47:08pm

re: #277 Bubblehead II

However, that’s not the only post he copied and pasted that was pretty much dedicated to attacking me, so it’s clear that he was not a fan… and that’s because I made it very clear to all of these people where I stood.

284 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 3:47:14pm

From SPLCenter

Geller on Sunday was still scrambling to deflect blame and to isolate Breivik as a lone madman unconnected to her cause. Breivik had made only “one passing reference” to her, she insisted (Geller ignored Breivik’s 12 references to her blog, however), and a mere 55 mentions of her SIOA co-founder Robert Spencer, which Geller described as “mostly quotes from Muslim scriptures.” (The New York Times counted 64 mentions of Spencer; Geller also disregarded Breivik’s “nomination” of Spencer for the Nobel Peace Prize.)…

…But in an almost surreal bit of legerdemain, Geller suggested that blame could lay with Charles Johnson, proprietor of the website Little Green Footballs, who, after initially being part of the anti-Muslim chorus, became appalled at the level of hatred and bigotry the movement represented and by 2009 had turned against it. Breivik, Geller wrote, “includes a long diatribe against Charles Johnson, whom he clearly admired until he felt betrayed enough to snap. The killer speaks about Charles Johnson obsessively and wrings his hands about Johnson’s turn to the left. Could this perhaps have been the provocation? Could this have been what caused him to snap?”

285 Killgore Trout  Apr 16, 2014 3:48:27pm

re: #275 wrenchwench

This was even worse and got even less publicity here (from what I saw):

Yeah, that’s a huge death toll and would have been a big story if it had happened anywhere outside of sub Saharan Africa.

286 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 3:48:36pm

re: #280 Charles Johnson

As I’ve been saying, that quote is not from Breivik. It’s contained in an article by Fjordman that Breivik copied and pasted, as he did with dozens and dozens of other articles. Those are not Breivik’s words.

I stand corrected then. So the the source I used was, shall we say, compromised? Do you have a link to a better source?

287 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 3:48:51pm
288 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 3:48:55pm

re: #284 Gus

From SPLCenter

Geller on Sunday was still scrambling to deflect blame and to isolate Breivik as a lone madman unconnected to her cause. Breivik had made only “one passing reference” to her, she insisted (Geller ignored Breivik’s 12 references to her blog, however), and a mere 55 mentions of her SIOA co-founder Robert Spencer, which Geller described as “mostly quotes from Muslim scriptures.” (The New York Times counted 64 mentions of Spencer; Geller also disregarded Breivik’s “nomination” of Spencer for the Nobel Peace Prize.)…

>…But in an almost surreal bit of legerdemain, Geller suggested that blame could lay with Charles Johnson, proprietor of the website Little Green Footballs, who, after initially being part of the anti-Muslim chorus, became appalled at the level of hatred and bigotry the movement represented and by 2009 had turned against it. Breivik, Geller wrote, “includes a long diatribe against Charles Johnson, whom he clearly admired until he felt betrayed enough to snap. The killer speaks about Charles Johnson obsessively and wrings his hands about Johnson’s turn to the left. Could this perhaps have been the provocation? Could this have been what caused him to snap?”

Projection on Geller’s part. She snapped too, just not murderously.

289 goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2014 3:49:14pm

re: #263 goddamnedfrank

The blog owner was / is a gay, white, liberal South African who felt so strongly about 1st Amendment principles that he refused to patrol the community at all, and resisted most attempts to even imply anything beyond the most basic of rules -> Don’t break federal law. So people couldn’t conduct gun transaction across state lines or threaten the life of the President, but that was about it.

What was weird is that it worked for years, the community never got too big but it thrived, to a point. But it also stagnated, because the environment was in a sense inherently combative. People could say anything, so only one’s reputation kept one in check. Since it was damned near impossible to get blocked, in the end just one spamming troll was able to eventually drive off most of the valuable contributors, and once the rest realized the place was a deserted internet box canyon they abandoned it too.

It still exists, full of digital tumbleweeds.

290 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 3:49:58pm

re: #286 Bubblehead II

I stand corrected then. So the the source I used was, shall we say, compromised? Do you have a link to a better source?

No, you have the real manifesto there. That’s what it is. It’s largely composed of reprints of articles and blog posts.

291 Romantic Heretic  Apr 16, 2014 3:50:20pm

re: #288 wrenchwench

Projection on Geller’s part. She snapped too, just not murderously.

Yet.

292 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 3:50:45pm

re: #283 Charles Johnson

However, that’s not the only post he copied and pasted that was pretty much dedicated to attacking me, so it’s clear that he was not a fan… and that’s because I made it very clear to all of these people where I stood.

Yes, you did.

293 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 3:50:50pm
294 goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2014 3:50:59pm

re: #276 Charles Johnson

I don’t know what search terms Greenwald used to pull up this article but if you Google “breivik right wing blogs” the stalker blog is not on the front page, although the ThinkProgress article is. It’s clear to me that Greenwald went out and maliciously tried to dig up something to smear me with.

Nobody goes there without some kind of agenda. It’s like Fresno.

295 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 3:51:00pm
296 thedopefishlives  Apr 16, 2014 3:51:09pm

re: #291 Romantic Heretic

Yet.

Geller herself I don’t see going anywhere too far off the deep end. The same for Robert Spencer. Some of their supporters, on the other hand.

297 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 3:51:37pm
298 thedopefishlives  Apr 16, 2014 3:53:09pm

re: #297 Gus

I have nothing against paying a CEO more money than the average Joe. I absolutely take umbrage at paying a CEO more money than all the average Joes combined.

299 EPR-radar  Apr 16, 2014 3:53:15pm

re: #297 Gus

Larry Ellison is so terribly deprived. He has to work a whole three hours to break six figures.

300 goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2014 3:54:20pm

re: #290 Charles Johnson

No, you have the real manifesto there. That’s what it is. It’s largely composed of reprints of articles and blog posts.

And reading the thing is like staring into the abyss. It stares back.

301 Dr Lizardo  Apr 16, 2014 3:56:07pm

re: #290 Charles Johnson

No, you have the real manifesto there. That’s what it is. It’s largely composed of reprints of articles and blog posts.

It’s been awhile, but wasn’t Breivik’s ‘Manifesto’ pretty much just a copy/paste of Kaczynski’s Industrial Society And Its Future?

302 EmmaAnne  Apr 16, 2014 3:57:30pm

re: #255 Bubblehead II

Need some help here Lizards. How do you do a word search of a PDF document using Firefox?

You mean you pulled it up in Firefox, and the search function doesn’t work? You may have to download it and run it through OCR to be able to search it.

303 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 3:57:30pm

re: #301 Dr Lizardo

That’s part of it, there’s a lot more.

304 Killgore Trout  Apr 16, 2014 3:57:36pm

Rand Paul’s foreign policy is so nuanced it’s ethereal and cannot be expressed in words

Rand Paul: Where I stand on containing Iran

I am not for containment in Iran. Let me repeat that, since no one seems to be listening closely: I am unequivocally not for containing Iran.

I am also not for announcing that the United States should never contain Iran. That was the choice I was given a few months ago and is the scenario being misunderstood by some in the news.

It is a dumb idea to announce to Iran that you would accept and contain that country if it were to become a nuclear power. But it is equally dumb, dangerous and foolhardy to announce in advance how we would react to any nation that obtains nuclear weapons.

305 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 3:58:16pm
306 Chrysicat  Apr 16, 2014 4:00:13pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Rand Paul’s foreign policy is so nuanced it’s ethereal and cannot be expressed in words

Rand Paul: Where I stand on containing Iran

He contradicts himself? What a surprise!

He is large, are we all that surprised he happens to contain multitudes? :-P

307 Ryan King  Apr 16, 2014 4:00:40pm

Holy crap this is deep in the gutter.

308 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2014 4:01:38pm

Your moment of brain bleach:

309 EmmaAnne  Apr 16, 2014 4:01:50pm

re: #263 goddamnedfrank

The first blog I spent any time on was intended to be a radical free speech experiment, dedicated to the 1st Amendment. There were some posters who said all kinds of insane, hateful, racist shit. Whole screeds on supremacy contrasted against deeply thoughtful and contemplative discussions about every topic imaginable.

It fell apart, in retrospect obviously, due to the owner’s over-principled refusal to deal with trolls.

Takes me back to Usenet groups. Anyone else remember those? Most were completely unmoderated, so death threats and insane rants checkered the threads about finding a pediatrician or discussing the latest Harry Potter book.

I certainly grew a very thick skin, but I prefer moderated sites to picking through that crap.

310 Killgore Trout  Apr 16, 2014 4:02:56pm

Much of the outrageous outrage gimmick involves misrepresenting the target’s views or intentionally twisting words to create opinions the target does not have. But, after reading that Rand Paul article several times I have no idea what his policy towards Iran is supposed to be.

Containment of Iran is a bad idea, but our leaders need to think before they speak and consider that preemptively announcing responses to every hypothetical situation may well damage our ability to keep the United States safe and strong.

I have often said that we have, for too long, had a debate between the extremes of foreign policy — and that to be on either end of the extremes can have life-or-death consequences.

False choices between being everywhere all of the time and nowhere any of the time are fodder for debate on Sunday morning shows or newspaper columns. Real foreign policy is made in the middle; with nuance; in the gray area of diplomacy, engagement and reluctantly, if necessary, military action.

311 EPR-radar  Apr 16, 2014 4:03:20pm

re: #309 EmmaAnne

Takes me back to Usenet groups. Anyone else remember those? Most were completely unmoderated, so death threats and insane rants checkered the threads about finding a pediatrician or discussing the latest Harry Potter book.

I certainly grew a very thick skin, but I prefer moderated sites to picking through that crap.

But you haven’t lived until you’ve participated in a soc.motss flame war or two. ///

312 Dr Lizardo  Apr 16, 2014 4:04:08pm

re: #303 Charles Johnson

That’s part of it, there’s a lot more.

OK. I never read the entirety of Breivik’s manifesto, but the part I did read struck me as pretty much identical to Kaczynski’s earlier work. Well, with substitutions of terminology, of course.

313 Chrysicat  Apr 16, 2014 4:04:20pm

re: #311 EPR-radar

But you haven’t lived until you’ve participated in a soc.motss flame war or two. ///

You’re sure alt.kooks isn’t where to go for flamewar?

314 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 16, 2014 4:06:31pm

re: #83 jaunte

Those people are impossible to argue with:
Godwin in one.

Defenders of Clive Bundy have been spewing Godwins since day one.

315 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 4:06:51pm

Of course. How could we forget. Greenwald immediately thought the Oslo attacks was by Muslim(s) and tried to justify that.

316 Killgore Trout  Apr 16, 2014 4:07:09pm

re: #306 Chrysicat

He contradicts himself? What a surprise!

He is large, are we all that surprised he happens to contain multitudes? :-P

I could understand it better if he were speaking off script or something but he sat down and composed that nonsense. He put thought into that, it’s just mystifying. If he’s just going to bullshit he should talk to a consultant and find out what they popular opinion is and adopt it. Nuanced vagueness isn’t going to play well with Americans in general and especially not Republicans.

317 goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2014 4:07:43pm

re: #309 EmmaAnne

Takes me back to Usenet groups. Anyone else remember those? Most were completely unmoderated, so death threats and insane rants checkered the threads about finding a pediatrician or discussing the latest Harry Potter book.

I certainly grew a very thick skin, but I prefer moderated sites to picking through that crap.

Yeah, people used to talk about the internet as the new Wild West or frontier approvingly, glossing over that people died in those places for often absolutely no, or at best retarded reasons. I’m sure the Wild West was nirvana for bullies, rapists, murderers and other assorted lowlifes, but most people prefer a modicum of civilization.

318 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 16, 2014 4:07:53pm

re: #309 EmmaAnne

Takes me back to Usenet groups. Anyone else remember those? Most were completely unmoderated, so death threats and insane rants checkered the threads about finding a pediatrician or discussing the latest Harry Potter book.

I certainly grew a very thick skin, but I prefer moderated sites to picking through that crap.

Though sometimes the more interesting discussions were on the unmoderated versions of groups that covered the same subject as a moderated group. US Civil War for instance. Though alt.war.civil.usa was also a major source for flame wars and all sort of ranty discourse.

319 EPR-radar  Apr 16, 2014 4:09:18pm

re: #318 Feline Fearless Leader

Though sometimes the more interesting discussions were on the unmoderated versions of groups that covered the same subject as a moderated group. US Civil War for instance. Though alt.war.civil.usa was also a major source for flame wars and all sort of ranty discourse.

talk.origins was where I learned about the stupidity of creationists from first hand observation.

320 Jack Burton  Apr 16, 2014 4:09:31pm

re: #309 EmmaAnne

Takes me back to Usenet groups. Anyone else remember those? Most were completely unmoderated, so death threats and insane rants checkered the threads about finding a pediatrician or discussing the latest Harry Potter book.

I certainly grew a very thick skin, but I prefer moderated sites to picking through that crap.

I was much happier when kooks stuck to alt.conspiracy.black.helicopters instead of all over the rest of the internet.

321 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 4:10:10pm

re: #290 Charles Johnson

No, you have the real manifesto there. That’s what it is. It’s largely composed of reprints of articles and blog posts.

Thanks for the clarification. But I think my point remains the same. The DoD post and GG twitter link post remains the same . Bull shit

322 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 4:11:44pm

Stalkers showing up in the comments at Daily Banter, of course, because stalkers.

thedailybanter.com

323 goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2014 4:13:00pm

re: #318 Feline Fearless Leader

Though sometimes the more interesting discussions were on the unmoderated versions of groups that covered the same subject as a moderated group. US Civil War for instance. Though alt.war.civil.usa was also a major source for flame wars and all sort of ranty discourse.

It depends on the moderator. The same dude who trolled to death the blog I talk about above went on to found his own blog dedicated to discussing old Victrola machines and wax cylinder recordings. It too collapsed under the weight of his innate dickishness and ability to manufacture enemies out of thin air.

324 Chrysicat  Apr 16, 2014 4:16:00pm

re: #318 Feline Fearless Leader

Though sometimes the more interesting discussions were on the unmoderated versions of groups that covered the same subject as a moderated group. US Civil War for instance. Though alt.war.civil.usa was also a major source for flame wars and all sort of ranty discourse.

“Was”?!? It may not be as active as it was 10-20 years ago, but it’s still active—and mainly occupied by neoconfederates!

325 makeitstop  Apr 16, 2014 4:16:40pm

re: #309 EmmaAnne

Takes me back to Usenet groups. Anyone else remember those? Most were completely unmoderated, so death threats and insane rants checkered the threads about finding a pediatrician or discussing the latest Harry Potter book.

I certainly grew a very thick skin, but I prefer moderated sites to picking through that crap.

I used to subscribe to the NBA USENET groups, along with alt.flame for a while. I actually stayed on USENET until shortly after 9/11, when what was once a mildly insane part of the internet became a raving lunatic asylum.

326 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 16, 2014 4:18:51pm

re: #323 goddamnedfrank

It depends on the moderator. The same dude who trolled to death the blog I talk about above went on to found his own blog dedicated to discussing old Victrola machines and wax cylinder recordings. It too collapsed under the weight of his innate dickishness and ability to manufacture enemies out of thin air.

I saw the same thing in multiple forums/areas of interaction.

I use to play in a MUD for instance now and then with some friends. Eventually abandoned it due to dickhead players, a few dickhead admins, and a general admin disinterest in enforcing any sort of civilizing influence. And the non-jackass denizens melted away since there was little desire to spend time working towards doing interesting roleplay, completing a quest, or building something since someone else would turn up and purposefully destroy simply for the sake of the destruction.

The internet is sort of Wild West-ish and a lot of the communities reflect it. Those with a sense of law and justice will grow and flourish, the others turn to ghost towns or become the haunts of the outlaws.

327 Jack Burton  Apr 16, 2014 4:19:18pm

re: #322 Charles Johnson

Stalkers showing up in the comments at Daily Banter, of course, because stalkers.

thedailybanter.com

“Ghostery blocked comments powered by Disqus.”

Lesson 22: Blessed Silence.

328 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 4:23:23pm

Those budding young geniuses at Caltech have struck again.

A team of thirteen Caltech undergrads traveled to MIT’s Campus Preview Weekend last Thursday to mug the rival institute’s annual “pre-frosh” gathering of hundreds of students and parents touring the Massachusetts institute.

When cool, the mugs read, “MIT the Institute of Technology,” and when filled with a hot beverage, they turned orange to read, “Caltech the HOTTER Institute of Technology” along with a palm tree.

The mugs, which contained a special printing element, were printed in Southern California and then delivered to a Caltech grad living in the MIT area.

“It’s been a couple years since we had a good MIT prank,” said current Prank Club leader Julie D. Jester (that’s her real name). She told The Tech, MIT’s campus newspaper, “We enjoy our prank rivalry with MIT. We wanted to rekindle that relationship.”

[…]

329 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 4:25:30pm

re: #322 Charles Johnson

Stalkers showing up in the comments at Daily Banter, of course, because stalkers.

thedailybanter.com

I really liked this one. ChenZhen Bob Cesca • an hour ago

umm…you can d/l the manifesto here:

liveleak.com

LGF links are cited in the footnotes at least 20 times.

Summary of the connection to LGF here:

thediaryofdaedalus.com

You do know generally about LGF’s history, right?

Ummm. Were right of center, saw what way we were going, took the the next switch to the the left to get back on the main line line, while the rest of you went not only off the rails, but over the cliff?

330 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 4:26:15pm

331 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2014 4:26:27pm

Well, I guess we know who the #1 Dick is on Twitter now.

I mean, WTF, GG? Can’t take a little constructive criticism?

Looks like I came in on the final leg of the flounce? I have been reading a bit but trying to juggle other things (cooking, phone calls), so first time to comment in the last hour. : )

332 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 16, 2014 4:28:54pm

I think GG’s Intercept motto is “All the lies fit to print in order to massage my ego.”

333 b_sharp  Apr 16, 2014 4:31:02pm

re: #319 EPR-radar

talk.origins was where I learned about the stupidity of creationists from first hand observation.

Same here.

334 EPR-radar  Apr 16, 2014 4:32:29pm

re: #330 Gus

I went to the Intercept site, but couldn’t find this choice nugget. Am I missing something there?

335 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 4:33:15pm

re: #334 EPR-radar

I went to the Intercept site, but couldn’t find this choice nugget. Am I missing something there?

Tis Photoshop.

336 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 16, 2014 4:33:20pm

re: #319 EPR-radar

talk.origins was where I learned about the stupidity of creationists from first hand observation.

Learned that there, and the fact that a lot of them never researched at all to see if a theme or discrediting attack had already been discussed and debunked. Just a constant sea of wave after wave of the same arguments repeated again and again and again.

337 b_sharp  Apr 16, 2014 4:34:40pm

re: #336 Feline Fearless Leader

Learned that there, and the fact that a lot of them never researched at all to see if a theme or discrediting attack had already been discussed and debunked. Just a constant sea of wave after wave of the same arguments repeated again and again and again.

Some of the creationists have been there for a decade or more.

338 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2014 4:35:26pm

re: #337 b_sharp

Some of the creationists have been there for a decade or more.

Well, certainly no more than 6,000 years anyway.

(running and ducking…)

339 Kragar  Apr 16, 2014 4:35:43pm

Anything to avoid the point I guess

340 EPR-radar  Apr 16, 2014 4:36:40pm

re: #336 Feline Fearless Leader

Learned that there, and the fact that a lot of them never researched at all to see if a theme or discrediting attack had already been discussed and debunked. Just a constant sea of wave after wave of the same arguments repeated again and again and again.

It is striking how this pattern of “thought” has pretty much infected movement conservatism in the past 10-20 years.

I’m old enough to remember the days when conservatives would make their arguments based on real facts (this also explains why I voted for the GOP some of the time back then).

341 Jack Burton  Apr 16, 2014 4:39:01pm

re: #336 Feline Fearless Leader

Learned that there, and the fact that a lot of them never researched at all to see if a theme or discrediting attack had already been discussed and debunked. Just a constant sea of wave after wave of the same arguments repeated again and again and again.

That’s all they ever do, regardless of the forum.

342 dog philosopher  Apr 16, 2014 4:42:25pm

the five stages of grief:

1. denial
2. denial
3. shouting
4. denial
5. denial

latest stage re obamacare:

John Podhoretz explains why liberals’ victory lap over Obamacare is quite premature

actually, he doesn’t “explain” anything…

343 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2014 4:43:15pm

re: #339 Kragar

Anything to avoid the point I guess

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She’s pulling crap out of her ass now.

344 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2014 4:44:25pm
345 Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2014 4:54:09pm

re: #299 EPR-radar

Larry Ellison is so terribly deprived. He has to work a whole three hours to break six figures.

Hey, it takes a lot of money to buy your own Hawaiian island. And don’t forget the cost of his America’s Cup boat(s). And (I forgot how many) a whole lot of lots one the beach at Malibu. Plus lots, lots, lots more.

Larry just has expensive hobbies.

346 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2014 4:54:15pm

re: #342 dog philosopher

the five stages of grief:

1. denial
2. denial
3. shouting
4. denial
5. denial

latest stage re obamacare:

John Podhoretz explains why liberals’ victory lap over Obamacare is quite premature

actually, he doesn’t “explain” anything…

Freakn’ Alabama registered 102% of the HHS goal.

347 Lidane  Apr 16, 2014 4:56:44pm

ARGH. I was supposed to find out about the job I interviewed for last week “by midweek”. It’s the end of the day on the West Coast by now and nothing so far. It’s driving me nuts. I keep checking my career email. Like, a lot.

Youtube Video

Oh well. I’ve made my case, been told I did well, and sent my thank you notes. I just have to keep sitting around until I know for sure, I guess.

348 Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2014 4:57:59pm

re: #325 makeitstop

I used to subscribe to the NBA USENET groups, along with alt.flame for a while. I actually stayed on USENET until shortly after 9/11, when what was once a mildly insane part of the internet became a raving lunatic asylum.

I still read USENET groups, and while there are plenty of crazies, there are a lot more at “civilized” sites like Fox Nation and any mainstream news site that doesn’t understand the concept of moderators.

349 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2014 4:58:39pm

screenshot of a troll at Daily Banter:

Charles apparently has an evil twin named Chris

350 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 5:00:35pm

re: #317 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, people used to talk about the internet as the new Wild West or frontier approvingly, glossing over that people died in those places for often absolutely no, or at best retarded reasons. I’m sure the Wild West was nirvana for bullies, rapists, murderers and other assorted lowlifes, but most people prefer a modicum of civilization.

You said Retarded! This gown town ain’t big enough for the both of us!!!
////////////////////

351 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 5:01:22pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

screenshot of a troll at Daily Banter:

Charles apparently has an evil twin named Chris

What they lack in brains they make up for with persistence.

352 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2014 5:01:45pm

re: #351 wrenchwench

What they lack in brains they make up for with persistence.

indeed they do.

353 Lidane  Apr 16, 2014 5:02:03pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am amused by the ZOMG WHITEWASH and LGF HASN’T CHANGED SINCE 2003 freakouts. Those are a hoot.

354 Snarknado!  Apr 16, 2014 5:04:06pm

re: #347 Lidane

ARGH. I was supposed to find out about the job I interviewed for last week “by midweek”. It’s the end of the day on the West Coast by now and nothing so far. It’s driving me nuts. I keep checking my career email. Like, a lot.

[Embedded content]

Oh well. I’ve made my case, been told I did well, and sent my thank you notes. I just have to keep sitting around until I know for sure, I guess.

{{{Lidane}}}

Hang in there.

355 Decatur Deb  Apr 16, 2014 5:04:09pm

re: #347 Lidane

ARGH. I was supposed to find out about the job I interviewed for last week “by midweek”. It’s the end of the day on the West Coast by now and nothing so far. It’s driving me nuts. I keep checking my career email. Like, a lot.

[Embedded content]

Oh well. I’ve made my case, been told I did well, and sent my thank you notes. I just have to keep sitting around until I know for sure, I guess.

Youtube Video

356 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2014 5:04:14pm

oh, poor Lynn…she is definitely down rabbit holes now…

357 dog philosopher  Apr 16, 2014 5:05:53pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

screenshot of a troll at Daily Banter:

Charles apparently has an evil twin named Chris

Chris Johnson joins Jets on reported two-year deal

my congrats to our fearless leader on his new career in major league sports

358 blueraven  Apr 16, 2014 5:09:19pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

Much of the outrageous outrage gimmick involves misrepresenting the target’s views or intentionally twisting words to create opinions the target does not have. But, after reading that Rand Paul article several times I have no idea what his policy towards Iran is supposed to be.

feature, not a bug.
plausible deniability from anywhere on the political spectrum dial.

More slippery than his Papa.

359 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2014 5:15:42pm
360 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 5:15:53pm

re: #358 blueraven

feature, not a bug.
plausible deniability from anywhere on the political spectrum dial.

More slippery than his Papa.

Right. Papa Paul is batshit crazy and dumb enough to wear it on his sleeve, whereas Rand is clever enough to hide his crazy behind empty verbiage.

Seriously though - when I read that I thought it was a clumsy answer to a reporter, just hoping to get through to the end, and pray there’s not followup. To think that was in a SPEECH he CRAFTED? Yeesh.

361 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2014 5:20:53pm

re: #360 GeneJockey

Right. Papa Paul is batshit crazy and dumb enough to wear it on his sleeve, whereas Rand is clever enough to hide his crazy behind empty verbiage.

Seriously though - when I read that I thought it was a clumsy answer to a reporter, just hoping to get through to the end, and pray there’s not followup. To think that was in a SPEECH he CRAFTED? Yeesh.

He’s still youngish. Let him go through the presidential and or reelection mills a few more times and he can be as or more nutty than dada.

362 Floral Giraffe  Apr 16, 2014 5:21:49pm

re: #130 GeneJockey

Trolling, trolling, trolling,

O’er the pages scrolling,

Get those Lizards rolling,

Dante-e-es!

Very cute! Claps for the creativity! ( Rawhide!)

363 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 16, 2014 5:24:25pm

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Pity it’s one of those LCS boats instead of at least a proper Frigate.

364 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 16, 2014 5:25:58pm

re: #344 Justanotherhuman

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That’s bad, so is this…where have we seen this before?

365 Bubblehead II  Apr 16, 2014 5:26:56pm

Night Lizards.

366 goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2014 5:29:36pm

re: #350 GeneJockey

You said Retarded! This gown town ain’t big enough for the both of us!!!
////////////////////

I feel genuine empathy for those people who are deeply offended by use of the term retarded as a casual adjective. But fuck man, life’s rough all around, and this is english, not retardese.

367 Stanley Sea  Apr 16, 2014 5:29:46pm

re: #347 Lidane

ARGH. I was supposed to find out about the job I interviewed for last week “by midweek”. It’s the end of the day on the West Coast by now and nothing so far. It’s driving me nuts. I keep checking my career email. Like, a lot.

[Embedded content]

Oh well. I’ve made my case, been told I did well, and sent my thank you notes. I just have to keep sitting around until I know for sure, I guess.

Good thoughts your way. It all works out.

Elder advice blah blah.

Off my lawn. Birth control again?

368 Stanley Sea  Apr 16, 2014 5:31:21pm

re: #364 NJDhockeyfan

That’s bad, so is this…where have we seen this before?

[Embedded content]

Back this claim up. Too insane to post without.

369 goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2014 5:33:19pm

re: #364 NJDhockeyfan

That’s bad, so is this…where have we seen this before?

[Embedded content]

Wait, so which side is full of nazis again?

370 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 5:34:46pm

Zomg!

371 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 5:36:20pm
372 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2014 5:36:35pm

What does he get, a set of bunny ears?

373 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 5:36:54pm
374 Political Atheist  Apr 16, 2014 5:37:04pm

re: #368 Stanley Sea

Back this claim up. Too insane to post without.

That article along with that pic of the leaflet is all there is so far.

375 goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2014 5:37:41pm

re: #368 Stanley Sea

Back this claim up. Too insane to post without.

Deeper in the article:

According to Alex Tenzer, a Kiev native and one of the directors of the National Association of Immigrants from the Former USSR in Israel, said: “The Jewish-Ukrainian leadership supports Ukraine’s new government, but it’s hard to tell whether the leaflet is valid or simply a provocation.

So yeah. Actual confirmation would be nice. Not to support the pro-Russian position but this is over the top and smacks of ratfuckery.

376 Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2014 5:38:16pm

re: #372 Justanotherhuman

What does he get, a set of bunny ears?

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Hugh Hefner bathrobe?

377 b_sharp  Apr 16, 2014 5:38:27pm

re: #373 Gus

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Amazing talent.

378 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 5:38:50pm

re: #366 goddamnedfrank

I feel genuine empathy for those people who are deeply offended by use of the term retarded as a casual adjective. But fuck man, life’s rough all around, and this is english, not retardese.

The weird thing about the word ‘retarded’ and its various versions, like ‘libtard’, ‘fucktard’, etc., is that yes, back when ‘retarded’ was the proper term to call the developmentally disabled, it WAS really offensive to call someone that as a term of derogation - by using ‘retarded’ as an insult you were insulting those who actually were retarded.

Now that it’s NOT the proper term, is it still offensive? ‘Moron’ used to be the proper term for certain lower levels of intelligence, but we stopped using that, so now nobody says, ‘it’s offensive to morons to call people aren’t morons morons!’

Dunno, man, it’s hard to keep up.

379 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2014 5:39:37pm

re: #373 Gus

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Amazing, absolute talent.

380 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 5:40:42pm
381 dog philosopher  Apr 16, 2014 5:40:46pm

in my usual pessimistic way i am preparing to find ourselves plunged into wwiii over the ukraine actions which so resemble the runup to wwii

let’s hope i am as wrong now as i was the last couple of times i was predicting doom

382 Political Atheist  Apr 16, 2014 5:41:06pm

re: #375 goddamnedfrank

Deeper in the article:

So yeah. Actual confirmation would be nice. Not to support the pro-Russian position but this is over the top and smacks of ratfuckery.

I don’t see anything that obligates anyone to ignore the report. Just thin as is often the case early on.

383 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 5:41:30pm

re: #380 Gus

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Learn how to tie a proper Windsor.

384 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2014 5:41:50pm

re: #378 GeneJockey

The weird thing about the word ‘retarded’ and its various versions, like ‘libtard’, ‘fucktard’, etc., is that yes, back when ‘retarded’ was the proper term to call the developmentally disabled, it WAS really offensive to call someone that as a term of derogation - by using ‘retarded’ as an insult you were insulting those who actually were retarded.

Now that it’s NOT the proper term, is it still offensive? ‘Moron’ used to be the proper term for certain lower levels of intelligence, but we stopped using that, so now nobody says, ‘it’s offensive to morons to call people aren’t morons morons!’

Dunno, man, it’s hard to keep up.

It’s even harder to keep up with all the stupidity. : )

385 Political Atheist  Apr 16, 2014 5:41:55pm

re: #380 Gus

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Poor thing, Where there is a tie, nobody wins.

386 goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2014 5:42:32pm

re: #378 GeneJockey

The weird thing about the word ‘retarded’ and its various versions, like ‘libtard’, ‘fucktard’, etc., is that yes, back when ‘retarded’ was the proper term to call the developmentally disabled, it WAS really offensive to call someone that as a term of derogation - by using ‘retarded’ as an insult you were insulting those who actually were retarded.

Now that it’s NOT the proper term, is it still offensive? ‘Moron’ used to be the proper term for certain lower levels of intelligence, but we stopped using that, so now nobody says, ‘it’s offensive to morons to call people aren’t morons morons!’

Dunno, man, it’s hard to keep up.

People are dicks, news at eleven.

I think it comes down to intent, if you’re making fun of an intrinsic trait in a person, i.e. punching down, or just talking shit on a more or less equal footing.

387 Stanley Sea  Apr 16, 2014 5:43:12pm

re: #375 goddamnedfrank

Deeper in the article:

So yeah. Actual confirmation would be nice. Not to support the pro-Russian position but this is over the top and smacks of ratfuckery.

Exactly. They are playing nationalism fears and I can just imagine them saying they are trying to ‘protect’ Jews.

If true this is insane.

One of the best things in WWZ was the tenth man theory. (Anyone remember?)

388 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 16, 2014 5:44:25pm

re: #369 goddamnedfrank

Wait, so which side is full of nazis again?

According to the Ukrainians, Moscow is. According to the Russians, Kiev is (for western consumption. Local consumption propaganda says Kiev is full of Jews.). Based on behavior? Gee I wonder …

389 Stanley Sea  Apr 16, 2014 5:44:47pm

Gotta go. I’ll catch up later.

390 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 5:45:09pm

re: #388 William Barnett-Lewis

According to the Ukrainians, Moscow is. According to the Russians, Kiev is (for western consumption. Local consumption propaganda says Kiev is full of Jews.). Based on behavior? Gee I wonder …

Wait - so Kiev is full of Nazi Jews?

391 aagcobb  Apr 16, 2014 5:45:44pm

re: #381 dog philosopher

in my usual pessimistic way i am preparing to find ourselves plunged into wwiii over the ukraine actions which so resemble the runup to wwii

let’s hope i am as wrong now as i was the last couple of times i was predicting doom

Its not going to happen. We are no more going to commit US military forces to defend Ukraine then we were in Hungary in ‘56 or Czechoslovakia in ‘68.

392 wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2014 5:46:13pm

Later, lizards.

Youtube Video

393 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 5:47:03pm

re: #386 goddamnedfrank

People are dicks, news at eleven.

I think it comes down to intent, if you’re making fun of an intrinsic trait in a person, i.e. punching down, or just talking shit on a more or less equal footing.

Or, why black people can use the N-word, and you can’t, no matter how cool you think you are, or no matter how deprived you may feel because of it.

394 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2014 5:47:04pm

Yes, great cover.

395 dog philosopher  Apr 16, 2014 5:49:04pm

re: #391 aagcobb

Its not going to happen. We are no more going to commit US military forces to defend Ukraine then we were in Hungary in ‘56 or Czechoslovakia in ‘68.

or czechoslovakia in 38?

what happens after putin eats ukraine?

396 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2014 5:49:06pm

re: #373 Gus

Shania McDonagh is 16 and drew this with a pencil

Hell of a pencil drawing. Glad the further link went to the Irish paper to see if there were any dimensions. They have a photo of the young lady and the drawing. I’m guessing about 20” x 28” or so. I figured for the detail that had to be fairly large.

Here is a link to the newspaper photo and story.

Pencil portrait wins Texaco art prize for Mayo teenager

397 GeneJockey  Apr 16, 2014 5:49:17pm

re: #391 aagcobb

Its not going to happen. We are no more going to commit US military forces to defend Ukraine then we were in Hungary in ‘56 or Czechoslovakia in ‘68.

Also, Russia in 2014 has not the military might of Germany in 1939, and the US and the rest of NATO have not the military weakness of France, Britain, and the US in 1939. Hitler had made over the whole economy for war and conquest, and Putin’s doing it on a shoestring.

398 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 16, 2014 5:49:43pm

re: #391 aagcobb

Its not going to happen. We are no more going to commit US military forces to defend Ukraine then we were in Hungary in ‘56 or Czechoslovakia in ‘68.

Ukraine, as such, nope. But accidents happen. Or worse, someone thinks we won’t uphold our treaty obligations (since he doesn’t) and makes a grab for Estonia, Latvia &/or Lithuania. That becomes a very different ballgame instantly.

399 Political Atheist  Apr 16, 2014 5:50:34pm

re: #395 dog philosopher

or czechoslovakia in 38?

what happens after putin eats ukraine?

He shits on Poland.

400 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 16, 2014 5:51:08pm

Excuse the shameless pimping self-promotion, but YOU HAVE GOT TO SEE THIS. New in pages:
GOP Consulting Firm Employee Starts ‘Boats ‘N Hoes PAC’
Outreach?
Re-branding?
Family Values?
Juvenile delinquency?

401 Charles Johnson  Apr 16, 2014 5:51:57pm
402 cuzIsaidso  Apr 16, 2014 5:52:36pm

re: #328 wrenchwench

Another great, recent CalTech hack of MIT:
Handing out T-shirts at MIT Freshman Orientation that read “MIT” on the front, and “… because not everyone can go to CalTech” on the back.
Which is just kid stuff compared to MIT stealing CalTech’s cannon, taking it from Pasadena to Cambridge, and machining a giant Brass Rat for it.

403 dog philosopher  Apr 16, 2014 5:53:00pm

re: #391 aagcobb

Its not going to happen. We are no more going to commit US military forces to defend Ukraine then we were in Hungary in ‘56 or Czechoslovakia in ‘68.

yah see the thing is i think this would be already double plus bad bad bad

putin takes ukraine: no good outcome either we look like pushovers or there’s war

404 Justanotherhuman  Apr 16, 2014 5:53:19pm

re: #401 Charles Johnson

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Keep digging that hole, GG.

405 aagcobb  Apr 16, 2014 5:53:59pm

re: #395 dog philosopher

or czechoslovakia in 38?

what happens after putin eats ukraine?

News flash: Its not always 1938, not every dictator is Hitler, and every crisis isn’t Munich. We let the Soviets crush Hungary in ‘56, Czechoslovakia in ‘68 and Georgia in 2008, and it didn’t lead to the Russians launching WWIII then, and it won’t now. The Russian army is a shadow of the Red Army, and if they do occupy the entire Ukraine, which I doubt, they will have their hands full just trying to control that.

406 dog philosopher  Apr 16, 2014 5:55:50pm

re: #401 Charles Johnson

What? The whole point of that graph was to correct

“yeah, of course, i lied, like, duh, but see it’s really great, in fact, glorious, that i did lie, see”

407 aagcobb  Apr 16, 2014 5:56:08pm

re: #398 William Barnett-Lewis

Ukraine, as such, nope. But accidents happen. Or worse, someone thinks we won’t uphold our treaty obligations (since he doesn’t) and makes a grab for Estonia, Latvia &/or Lithuania. That becomes a very different ballgame instantly.

Putin knows there is a big difference between the Baltic states, which are NATO members, and Ukraine, which isn’t and which has much closer historical ties to Russia than the Baltic states do. And if Putin does try to occupy all of Ukraine, he won’t have anything left to invade the Baltic.

408 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 5:57:44pm

re: #401 Charles Johnson

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WTF. You should update this page with that Tweet.

409 aagcobb  Apr 16, 2014 5:57:58pm

re: #403 dog philosopher

yah see the thing is i think this would be already double plus bad bad bad

putin takes ukraine: no good outcome either we look like pushovers or there’s war

Didn’t we already look like pushovers when we didn’t fight for Georgia in 2008, Czechoslovakia in ‘68, and Hungary in ‘56? Its not our job to defend the entire world.

410 dog philosopher  Apr 16, 2014 5:58:40pm

re: #405 aagcobb

News flash: Its not always 1938, not every dictator is Hitler, and every crisis isn’t Munich. We let the Soviets crush Hungary in ‘56, Czechoslovakia in ‘68 and Georgia in 2008, and it didn’t lead to the Russians launching WWIII then, and it won’t now. The Russian army is a shadow of the Red Army, and if they do occupy the entire Ukraine, which I doubt, they will have their hands full just trying to control that.

the hungarians, czechs, and slovaks didn’t take it quite as smoothly, i can assure you, as a matter of fact it pretty much destroyed most of the credibility we had earned in wwii

so, no, i am not so sanguine that everything will be chill after ukrainian independence is nullified

if we don’t do something, there won’t be wwiii, that’s true, but something else really not good

411 Gus  Apr 16, 2014 5:59:21pm

re: #396 ObserverArt

Hell of a pencil drawing. Glad the further link to the Irish paper to see if there were any dimensions. They have a photo of the young lady and the drawing. I’m guessing about 20” x 28” or so. I figured for the detail that had to be fairly large.

Here is a link to the newspaper photo and story.

Pencil portrait wins Texaco art prize for Mayo teenager

Coleman by Shania Mc Donagh, from Mount St Michael Secondary School, Mayo has won category A in this year’s 2014 Texaco Children’s Art competition. Pic: Mac Innes Photography

412 ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2014 5:59:32pm

Whoa…who knew Glenn could be so full of bull?

/// I bet he is terrible with a shovel.

413 dog philosopher  Apr 16, 2014 5:59:38pm

re: #409 aagcobb

Didn’t we already look like pushovers when we didn’t fight for Georgia in 2008, Czechoslovakia in ‘68, and Hungary in ‘56? Its not our job to defend the entire world.

isolationism has it’s limits

414 Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2014 6:00:33pm

So what kind of a jail term would you expect to get for doing this? Putting a city $150 million in debt because of your actions, plus

The sentencing of Rizzo brought the case close to an end four years after the Los Angeles Times first reported the true salaries of Rizzo and others. It was later learned that City Hall had illegally raised property taxes, business license fees, sewage fees and trash collection fees; illegally diverted gas taxes and other state and federal funds; and issued $50 million in voter-approved bonds for a park that was never built. Much of the money was used to cover the huge salaries of city officials.

That’s one totally corrupt asshole. I bet the judge through the book at him.

He expects Rizzo, 60, to be free in about six years after time off is granted for good behavior.

Read more here: sanluisobispo.com

415 Belafon  Apr 16, 2014 6:03:18pm

re: #410 dog philosopher

As much as it sucks for Ukraine, Russia will not be pushing back into the rest of Europe. No matter how much you worry.

416 dog philosopher  Apr 16, 2014 6:11:22pm

re: #415 Belafon

As much as it sucks for Ukraine, Russia will not be pushing back into the rest of Europe. No matter how much you worry.

my opinion is people shouldn’t predict the future so positively, as in “will not’ as opposed to “i’m pretty sure”

in any case my opinion is that belarus will be next, and then possibly the caucasus republics

417 aagcobb  Apr 16, 2014 6:11:27pm

re: #413 dog philosopher

isolationism has it’s limits

I agree. We should keep our commitments to NATO members, and demonstrate that commitment. But we cannot, and should not, assume the burden of defending the entire world. In the meantime, we are punishing Russia with sanctions which are hurting its economy, and Russia is isolating itself. We don’t have to go to war over Ukraine to demonstrate that Russian actions there are wrong.

418 dog philosopher  Apr 16, 2014 6:14:07pm

re: #417 aagcobb

I agree. We should keep our commitments to NATO members, and demonstrate that commitment. But we cannot, and should not, assume the burden of defending the entire world. In the meantime, we are punishing Russia with sanctions which are hurting its economy, and Russia is isolating itself. We don’t have to go to war over Ukraine to demonstrate that Russian actions there are wrong.

well, i don’t disagree with that

but i tell you, if ukraine is digested, we will look bad, and i think a whole lot of other crap will fall out as well

i don’t think it’s ‘well, too bad for ukraine, now let’s get back to business’

for one thing, future elections will be all ‘democrats are PUSSIES’

419 aagcobb  Apr 16, 2014 6:22:58pm

re: #418 dog philosopher

well, i don’t disagree with that

but i tell you, if ukraine is digested, we will look bad, and i think a whole lot of other crap will fall out as well

i don’t think it’s ‘well, too bad for ukraine, now let’s get back to business’

for one thing, future elections will be all ‘democrats are PUSSIES’

If Putin tries to “digest” Ukraine, Russia is going to experience a lot of indigestion. The American people are heartily sick of foreign adventures after 13 years of war, and I doubt that neocon drumbeating for mor war will resonate.

420 Stanley Sea  Apr 16, 2014 6:34:08pm

re: #392 wrenchwench

Later, lizards.

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Chat e cheval.

Merci WW.

421 abolitionist  Apr 17, 2014 5:53:21am

Charles, you wrote: This is also the blog that conspired with another Greenwaldian hero, Barrett Brown, to out my private emails, [snip]

The powers that be in commerce and government seem to be pushing hard the idea that Barrett Brown’s re-publishing your emails was fair use. They are not going to say it quite that way, but it’s crystal clear they want easy access to everyone’s emails too, ASAP, for any purpose they can think of, even before they think it. Text msgs too.

Despite Lavabit contempt order, e-mail privacy stalled in Congress

422 Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2014 4:48:14pm

re: #421 abolitionist

There’s no comparison at all between that case and Barrett Brown revealing my private email to him. Not even remotely the same thing.


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