SPLC: Users of ‘Stormfront’ Web Forum Responsible for Many Deadly Hate Crimes, Mass Killings

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Nearly 100 people in the last five years have been murdered by active users of the leading racist website, Stormfront, according to a report released today by the SPLC’s Intelligence Project.

Registered Stormfront users have been disproportionately responsible for some of the most lethal hate crimes and mass killings since the web forum became the first hate site on the Internet in 1995, a month before the Oklahoma City bombing. The report found that hate killings by Stormfront members began to accelerate rapidly in early 2009, when Barack Obama took office as the nation’s first black president.

A similar racist web forum, Vanguard News Network (VNN), was used by neo-Nazi and former Klan leader Frazier Glenn Miller, who has been charged with the Sunday murder of three people he mistakenly believed were Jews in Overland Park, Kan. Miller, who apparently changed his last name in recent years to Cross, logged more than 12,000 posts on VNN, whose slogan is, “No Jews, Just Right.”

“Stormfront is the murder capital of the racist Internet,” said Heidi Beirich, report author and Intelligence Project director. “It has been a magnet for the deadly and deranged. And VNN is almost as bad.”

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325 comments

1 team_fukit  Apr 17, 2014 11:32:41am

but if this were a “scary” black dude hanging out in front of a voting precinct, the media would be all over it.

when i was in college during the mid-90s i had a class and tried to ride skateboards with a guy from Kansas for a semester who claimed to be an ex-skinhead who’d found jesus and quit that racist stuff. He told me i wouldn’t believe how many public corporations funnel shadow money into white supremacist groups, who had used that $$$ to arm skinhead “bounty-hunters” during the LA riot so they could earn their shoelaces. I was like “no way!” and chalked it up to him being a kook and bragging about his “great sins” before he’d become a Christian. But every time i see the mainstream media not doing its job in reporting organized white supremacist violence… i have to wonder.

2 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 12:21:43pm

This is an incredibly important story. Thanks for paging it.

Violent action follows from violent rhetoric as night follows day. Shining a light on this is the best way to deal with it, IMO.

Furthermore, the dots should be connected to include Fox News and Rush Limbaugh agitprop in the exposure and condemnation of violent rhetoric.

3 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 17, 2014 1:14:52pm

“We agree with their views but disagree with their actions (namely, getting caught)”

4 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 17, 2014 1:16:30pm

re: #1 team_fukit

But every time i see the mainstream media not doing its job in reporting organized white supremacist violence… i have to wonder.

I wonder how much of it is corporate control and how much of it is fear of backlash and being shouted down by a load of screaming bigots.

5 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 1:17:23pm

I am glad we have groups like the SPLC that exist to watch these assholes.

6 Kragar  Apr 17, 2014 1:20:18pm

Just some good ole boys…

7 Kragar  Apr 17, 2014 1:20:54pm
8 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 17, 2014 1:23:46pm

Yes, the more dangerous hateful group of Ron Paul’s followers.

9 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 1:23:48pm

re: #7 Kragar

The Fifth stage should be described thus:

Acceptance*: The Democrats stole the idea from Mitt Romney.

(*) GOP ‘improvements’ to Obamacare are intended to gut it as much as politically possible.

It’s not like this GOP really accepts Social Security, Medicare or the Civil Rights laws.

10 Bulworth  Apr 17, 2014 1:24:39pm

Well remember when the Department of Homeland Security released a report (2009ish) about the rise of RW militia groups, etc and the wingnut media and members of Congress went ballistic over it and got it quashed?

11 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 1:25:03pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

I am glad we have groups like the SPLC that exist to watch these assholes.

So naturally the SPLC is relentlessly tarred as communist/hard left by the RW noise machine.

12 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 1:25:13pm

re: #9 EPR-radar

The Fifth stage should be described thus:

Acceptance*: The Democrats stole the idea from Mitt Romney.

(*) GOP ‘improvements’ to Obamacare are intended to gut it as much as politically possible.

It’s not like this GOP really accepts Social Security, Medicare or the Civil Rights laws.

Yep, take credit for it while at the same time weakening as much as possilbe. Just as you say they do with Civil Rights.

13 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 1:25:46pm

Another reason why we need to take the SPLC seriously. Despite their detractors.

14 b.d.  Apr 17, 2014 1:26:11pm

Hope they checked out the folks under the helmets.

15 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 1:27:55pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Yep, take credit for it while at the same time weakening as much as possilbe. Just as you say they do with Civil Rights.

The GOP really has outed themselves as the scum of the earth during Obama’s presidency.

GOP apologists tend to go very quiet when confronted with this pattern of behavior. The fact that conservatives have been against every bit of forward progress in the US for its entire history cannot be spun away.

16 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 1:29:26pm

Chelsea Clinton is pregnant.

17 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 1:30:15pm

re: #15 EPR-radar

The GOP really has outed themselves as the scum of the earth during Obama’s presidency.

GOP apologists tend to go very quiet when confronted with this pattern of behavior. The fact that conservatives have been against every bit of forward progress in the US for its entire history cannot be spun away.

This is at the core of why I’m a liberal and not a conservative. The strides we have made and continued to make have been in spite of conservatism and conservatives. Revolutionary War era conservatives were content to stay with England. During the Civil War, they were willing to accept slavery staying legal, etc, etc. To me to be a liberal is to see that we have better days ahead while a conservative accepts the status quo because it’s all he knows.

18 Lancelot Link  Apr 17, 2014 1:30:22pm

Oddly enough, there’s one gay, Jewish, ostensibly “liberal” man who is quite popular on Stormfront. I think you can guess who.

19 Testy Toad T  Apr 17, 2014 1:31:01pm

re: #18 Lancelot Link

Oddly enough, there’s one gay, Jewish, ostensibly “liberal” man who is quite popular on Stormfront. I think you can guess who.

Glenn!

(Beck?)

20 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 1:31:13pm

re: #16 Gus

Chelsea Clinton is pregnant.

That’s exciting. Do they know if it’s a boy or girl yet?

21 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 17, 2014 1:31:23pm

Josh’s twitpic has been bugging me and I finally figured out why.

22 palmerskiss  Apr 17, 2014 1:31:52pm

re: #19 Testy Toad T

Glenn!

(Beck?)

robert spencer?

23 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 1:31:58pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

Josh’s twitpic has been bugging me and I finally figured out why.

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Josh, no one cares about your whiny father anymore.

24 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 1:32:20pm

re: #22 palmerskiss

robert spencer?

Greenwald. Spencer’s not Jewish or gay from what I know nor has he ever claimed to be a man of the left.

25 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 1:32:48pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

That’s exciting. Do they know if it’s a boy or girl yet?

Didn’t see anything like that.

26 palmerskiss  Apr 17, 2014 1:32:52pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Greenwald. Spencer’s not Jewish or gay from what I know.

ahaz, ty

27 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 17, 2014 1:33:20pm

re: #10 Bulworth

Well remember when the Department of Homeland Security released a report (2009ish) about the rise of RW militia groups, etc and the wingnut media and members of Congress went ballistic over it and got it quashed?

exactly, see my no. 4.

28 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 1:33:42pm

re: #25 Gus

Didn’t see anything like that.

Probably too early. That’s exciting news for Bill and Hillary though. Hope they’re as excited as my parents were when they found out they were going to be grandparents.

29 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 1:33:43pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

Furthermore, US conservatives these days are not content to merely stop the clock, thereby perpetuating all existing injustices forever because ‘shut up’.

Instead, they want to undo at least 100 years of progress to return to a system where they are in charge, and their inferiors (i.e., women, blacks, gays, atheists, all other minorities) know their place.

30 Bulworth  Apr 17, 2014 1:34:45pm

From a NYT op-ed yesterday:

Mr. Miller’s (the alleged shooter at the Jewish centers recently) downfall came after the Southern Poverty Law Center filed a lawsuit on behalf of black North Carolinians; as part of a settlement in 1985, he agreed to stop operating a paramilitary organization. In 1987, a federal judge found that Mr. Miller had violated the agreement, and barred him from contacting others in the white power movement. Outraged, and anticipating criminal charges regarding the stolen military weapons, Mr. Miller briefly went underground. He would write in a self-published autobiography, “Since they wouldn’t allow me to fight them legally above ground, then I’d resort to the only means left, armed revolution.” He was later caught with a small arsenal, but he began cooperating with prosecutors, testifying against other white supremacists in exchange for a reduced sentence. He was released in 1990, after serving three years.

In 2009, the Department of Homeland Security issued a nine-page report detailing the threat of domestic terrorism by the white power movement. This short document outlined no specific threats, but rather a set of historical factors that had predicted white-supremacist activity in the past — like economic pressure, opposition to immigration and gun-control legislation — and a new factor, the election of a black president.

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The report raised intense blowback from the American Legion, Fox News and conservative members of Congress. They demanded an apology and denounced the idea that any veteran could commit an act of domestic terrorism. The department shelved the report, removing it from its website. The threat, however, proved real.

nytimes.com

31 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 1:34:53pm

re: #29 EPR-radar

Furthermore, US conservatives these days are not content to merely stop the clock, thereby perpetuating all existing injustices forever because ‘shut up’.

Instead, they want to undo at least 100 years of progress to return to a system where they are in charge, and their inferiors (i.e., women, blacks, gays, atheists, all other minorities) know their place.

Precisely and that’s exactly why the Ron Paul types scare me the most. They want to do away with all the progress that we made in the Progressive era and return to what we were in the days when children worked in coal mines. No thanks.

32 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 1:36:29pm

re: #30 Bulworth

Why is this (rare) act of journalism from the MSM in an op-ed? It should be front page news.

33 lawhawk  Apr 17, 2014 1:37:53pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

He could have been filing an extension, which is his right. The pile of papers in his hand is definitely not 200 pages though.

34 palmerskiss  Apr 17, 2014 1:38:24pm

re: #32 EPR-radar

Why is this (rare) act of journalism from the MSM in an op-ed? It should be front page news.

then we could hear michelle malkin scream about it.

is it a twitch or an anachronism.?, nah its a stigma.

35 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 1:40:34pm

Where do babby come from?

36 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 1:40:35pm

re: #33 lawhawk

He could have been filing an extension, which is his right. The pile of papers in his hand is definitely not 200 pages though.

The filing of the return itself is most likely handled by Romney’s tax preparer. All Romney would need to mail on or before tax day are payments and payment vouchers, which isn’t very much paper.

37 nines09  Apr 17, 2014 1:40:57pm

Meanwhile the GOP and Tea Party plays the “Gee, I don’t know if voting rights, civil rights, or Social Security or ACA or social programs are “Constitutional” or “legal” or “American”. They are just as much responsible for the hatred and bigotry as the skin head and Nazi that was taught by his family or “friends” to hate. Fuck them all.

38 palmerskiss  Apr 17, 2014 1:41:09pm

re: #35 Gus

Where do babby come from?

storks. white storks. just cuz

39 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 1:43:39pm

re: #13 Gus

Another reason why we need to take the SPLC seriously. Despite their detractors.

Wow, that’s some trenchant criticism. Some dude she once knew made an entirely non-described argument that persuaded her silly ass.

40 bratwurst  Apr 17, 2014 1:43:40pm
41 b.d.  Apr 17, 2014 1:43:44pm

re: #16 Gus

Chelsea Clinton is pregnant.

Any news on who will fill in for her, when she is out, in her vital role with NBCNews?

42 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 1:45:36pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

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Wow, that’s some trenchant criticism. Some dude she once knew made an entirely non-described argument that persuaded her silly ass.

She’s still butt hurt about 2007.

43 Bulworth  Apr 17, 2014 1:45:43pm
Wow, that’s some trenchant criticism. Some dude she once knew made an entirely non-described argument that persuaded her silly ass.

Yeah, extremely convincing this is. Obviously our only reason to not be impressed is because we’re so shamelessly biased. ////

44 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 1:46:04pm
45 palmerskiss  Apr 17, 2014 1:46:15pm

is there an LGF rule/protocol for paging news where there may be a conflict of interest - say if the news was related to a family member?

i cannot remember reading one in the past, but obviously conflicts of interest are difficult to navigate so if anyone can point to a guide or rule outlining that i would really appreciate it.

thank you in advance

46 blueraven  Apr 17, 2014 1:46:50pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

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Wow, that’s some trenchant criticism. Some dude she once knew made an entirely non-described argument that persuaded her silly ass.

She is a total idiot. Greenwald (and probably other men) does her thinking for her. Sickening, as a woman, to see such a twit.

47 Minor_L  Apr 17, 2014 1:53:59pm

re: #46 blueraven

She is a total idiot. Greenwald (and probably other men) does her thinking for her. Sickening, as a woman, to see such a twit.

She is a total lapdog for Greenwald, running around defending him (where defending him is simply mindlessly repeating his BS) to all and sundry. I actually feel pity for her.

48 palmerskiss  Apr 17, 2014 1:54:56pm
After Bill Clinton became the first sitting United States president to address a gay rights organization, the Human Rights Campaign,[7] Thomas published a column[8] in November 1997 opposing homosexuality, in which he said:

God designed norms for behavior that are in our best interests. When we act outside those norms—such as for premarital sex, adultery, or homosexual sex—we cause physical, emotional, and spiritual damage to ourselves and to our wider culture. The unpleasant consequences of divorce and sexually transmitted diseases are not the result of intolerant bigots seeking to denigrate others. They are the result of violating God’s standards, which were made for our benefit.
— Cal Thomas, Immutable Morals

oh yeah cal - because when two people bugger without a ring on a finger on each (whether or not they are married to each other is an aside) it causes spiritual, emotional and physical damage to our wider culture.

in other words - will the perverts stop fucking us into the 15th century.

49 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 17, 2014 1:57:13pm

What if she has twins?

50 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 1:57:35pm
51 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 1:57:42pm

re: #46 blueraven

She is a total idiot. Greenwald (and probably other men) does her thinking for her. Sickening, as a woman, to see such a twit.

What’s really weird is that after the amount of success Greenwald has had in the last year* he is still rabidly engaging with people on Twitter like some methed up wild raccoon.

* Ignoring for a second that it is mostly based on manipulative bullshit, lies and deliberate distortions.

His behavior betrays a deeply rooted insecurity.

52 team_fukit  Apr 17, 2014 1:57:48pm

re: #38 palmerskiss

Storkfront

53 palmerskiss  Apr 17, 2014 1:58:07pm

re: #50 Gus

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way to go fifa.

54 palmerskiss  Apr 17, 2014 1:58:35pm

re: #52 team_fukit

Storkfront

yeah - megyn kelly was there picking out her newest models.

55 The Mountain That Blogs  Apr 17, 2014 1:59:17pm

re: #53 palmerskiss

And the next two will be in Russia and Qatar.

56 Bulworth  Apr 17, 2014 1:59:53pm
methed up wild raccoon

Truly a phrase worth stealing.

57 palmerskiss  Apr 17, 2014 2:00:14pm

re: #55 The Mountain That Blogs

And the next two will be in Russia and Qatar.

because - fifa …..

the qatari summer world cup will not happen.

58 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 2:01:51pm

re: #44 Gus

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I thought that was what Religion did.

59 gwangung  Apr 17, 2014 2:02:25pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

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Wow, that’s some trenchant criticism. Some dude she once knew made an entirely non-described argument that persuaded her silly ass.

Which is totally irrelevant to the observation they put out.

Is she denying that these murders occurred? Is she denying that these murderers were active on the site? If not, then her conclusion is irrelevant and deflecting.

60 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 2:03:38pm

Ted Cruz people, stay losing.

61 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 2:04:08pm

re: #49 NJDhockeyfan

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What if she has twins?

Needz moar error barz.

62 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 2:04:09pm

Coincidentally, regarding the Stormfront murders, yesterday I was wondering how Derek Black has been doing? I did a search and couldn’t find any news or articles about him since he renounced his Dad’s organization around June / July of last year.

Hopefully he’s been able to live a quiet, peaceful life, without too much baggage or pain from all the years of having been used as a prop to further his father’s hatred.

63 palmerskiss  Apr 17, 2014 2:04:28pm

wow lol!!!

64 palmerskiss  Apr 17, 2014 2:05:23pm
65 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 17, 2014 2:05:49pm

re: #44 Gus

Cal Thomas is a fucking nut. I had enough of him when he demanded on television that the state should forcibly take the child of Amber Frey (the woman who approached police about Scott Peterson after she found out he was married to a missing woman and was lying to her)

Cal thought she was just another slut who needed some white law enforcement men to take control of her for having sexy times outside of marriage.

Even the other Fox panelists were visibly stunned.

66 Dr Lizardo  Apr 17, 2014 2:05:58pm

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

Coincidentally, regarding the Stormfront murders, yesterday I was wondering how Derek Black has been doing? I did a search and couldn’t find any news or articles about him since he renounced his Dad’s organization around June / July of last year.

Hopefully he’s been able to live a quiet, peaceful life, without too much baggage or pain from all the years of having been used as a prop to further his father’s hatred.

Yeah, Derek Black seems to have vanished into relative obscurity after last year - which, all things considered, is probably for the best for him.

67 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 2:06:37pm

re: #64 palmerskiss

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What Reagan did was lob a few shells from a battleship (Iowa?) into Beirut and then run like a scared bunny.

68 Political Atheist  Apr 17, 2014 2:07:23pm

re: #45 palmerskiss

is there an LGF rule/protocol for paging news where there may be a conflict of interest - say if the news was related to a family member?

i cannot remember reading one in the past, but obviously conflicts of interest are difficult to navigate so if anyone can point to a guide or rule outlining that i would really appreciate it.

thank you in advance

I don’t recall a rule like that. Disclosure might just do it.

69 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 2:07:25pm

re: #65 Aunty Entity Dragon

Cal Thomas is a fucking nut. I had enough of him when he demanded on television that the state should forcibly take the child of Amber Frey (the woman who approached police about Scott Peterson after she found out he was married to a missing woman and was lying to her)

Cal thought she was just another slut who needed some white law enforcement men to take control of her for having sexy times outside of marriage.

Even the other Fox panelists were visibly stunned.

Wait, what? I knew he was an idiot. I didn’t also know he was crazy.

70 makeitstop  Apr 17, 2014 2:07:47pm

re: #63 palmerskiss

Reagan didn’t blame it on a You Tube video and he retaliated with air strikes.

wow lol!!!

Was it GWB who complained about Clinton trying to ‘shoot a cruise missile up a camel’s ass’ or some such?

I think the same complaint would work with St. Reagan’s ‘missile strikes.’

71 Political Atheist  Apr 17, 2014 2:07:57pm

re: #67 GeneJockey

What Reagan did was lob a few shells from a battleship (Iowa?) into Beirut and then run like a scared bunny.

That’s not really a good description at all.

72 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 2:08:02pm

re: #64 palmerskiss

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Thanks. Blocked his ass along with ChenZhen.

73 palmerskiss  Apr 17, 2014 2:08:10pm

re: #67 GeneJockey

What Reagan did was lob a few shells from a battleship (Iowa?) into Beirut and then run like a scared bunny.

yeah but if he didnt blame it on 4chan reagan is obviously an american hero, and obummer is a sekrit muslim, cuz youtube

74 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 17, 2014 2:08:25pm

re: #67 GeneJockey

What Reagan did was lob a few shells from a battleship (Iowa?) into Beirut and then run like a scared bunny.

I think people realized that sitting around as a target in Beirut doesn’t actually accomplish anything.

That lesson was unlearned and flushed down the drain under Bush the Lesser.

75 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 2:09:13pm

re: #59 gwangung

Which is totally irrelevant to the observation they put out.

Is she denying that these murders occurred? Is she denying that these murderers were active on the site? If not, then her conclusion is irrelevant and deflecting.

This was in response to the following. Her and Glenn Greenwald feel a need to define LGF has being, or at least having in the past been a “hate site.” Now I was never a fan of the old LGF, but “hate site” is a very strong charge, so I pointed out that SPLC never once listed LGF as one. I figure the world needs some kind of objective standards. Just tossing around a term like “hate site” loosely, especially when it’s done purely as a distraction technique to avoid dealing with Charles’ current critiques of Greenwald’s activities, does a massive disservice to the fight against genuine hate sites like Stormfront.

76 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 2:11:21pm

re: #71 Political Atheist

That’s not really a good description at all.

It’s close enough. The military response was essentially for show, since we didn’t know where to actually hit, and then we left. And I’m REAL sick of the Right pointing to ‘Blackhawk Down’ as the reason why AQ thought they could cow us, while ignoring Reagan getting the hell out of Dodge after the Marine barracks was destroyed.

77 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 17, 2014 2:11:37pm

re: #69 GeneJockey

Wait, what? I knew he was an idiot. I didn’t also not he was crazy.

That was on one of the talking head Sunday morning Fox shows when Scott Peterson was charged with the murder of his wife and unborn baby. Cal Thomas came right out of the blue and demanded state action against the woman who went to the police with info…

Wait for it…

…because she already had a baby and was dating Scott Peterson who was using an alias at the time.

Cal insisted it made her an unfit mother. Nobody else on the program knew what the fuck he was smoking that day.

78 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 17, 2014 2:14:07pm

re: #76 GeneJockey

It’s close enough. The military response was essentially for show, since we didn’t know where to actually hit, and then we left. And I’m REAL sick of the Right pointing to ‘Blackhawk Down’ as the reason why AQ thought they could cow us, while ignoring Reagan getting the hell out of Dodge after the Marine barracks was destroyed.

To be fair…AQ did not exist at the time of the bombing in Beirut and the people involved were Shiites allied with Iran. It made no tactical or strategic sense to leave people there to be blown up.

79 Lidane  Apr 17, 2014 2:15:39pm

re: #44 Gus

Cal Thomas is still around?

80 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 2:16:15pm

re: #79 Lidane

Cal Thomas is still around?

Allegedly.

82 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 17, 2014 2:17:40pm

re: #79 Lidane

Cal Thomas is still around?

So it seems. He shaved off the Hitler pornstache, but he still pens bitter screeds about those damned liberals on his lawn.

83 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 17, 2014 2:18:10pm

bbl

84 Lidane  Apr 17, 2014 2:20:11pm

POTUS sure knows how to troll his critics. Haha:

85 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 2:20:34pm

Hate site. Well, I arrived in October 2008. Was a McCain guy then. Some of the people here used to drive me nuts upon arrival. Always liked Avanti and didn’t understand why he was always down dinged. Same with Space Jesus. Both went from negative karma to positive over the years. I have my hawkish impulses. But even back then I was anti-racist, pro-LGBT, and used to constantly defend La Raza from some of the bozos likening them to the KKK. It’s all on the record. Was even called an Obama-bot from a now banned bozo in 2008.

86 Ming  Apr 17, 2014 2:22:28pm

re: #78 Aunty Entity Dragon

To be fair…AQ did not exist at the time of the bombing in Beirut and the people involved were Shiites allied with Iran. It made no tactical or strategic sense to leave people there to be blown up.

I agree with you. I disagreed with Ronald Reagan about many things, but when he withdrew the Marines from Beirut, I thought that was a sensible move for the sake of the Marines’ safety.

87 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 2:24:16pm

re: #78 Aunty Entity Dragon

To be fair…AQ did not exist at the time of the bombing in Beirut and the people involved were Shiites allied with Iran. It made no tactical or strategic sense to leave people there to be blown up.

I didn’t say AQ had anything to do with it. And it had made no tactical or strategic sense to be there in the first place.

My point is that it is popular on the Right to point to the deaths of 4 in Benghazi, or 18 in Mogadishu and say these embolden AQ, while ignoring the elephant in the room - the ineffectual response to, and rapid withdrawal after the Beirut Barracks bombing.

88 darthstar  Apr 17, 2014 2:24:44pm

Stormfront should change their name to afewbadapples.com.

89 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 17, 2014 2:25:05pm

RIP Gabriel Garcia Marquez

Nobel Prize-winning novelist Gabriel Garcia Marquez, who was praised as the most popular Spanish writer since Cervantes, died today in Mexico City at the age of 87.

Garcia Marquez, a former journalist who was born in Colombia but lived in Mexico for more than 30 years, is best known for his 1967 masterpiece, the epic, hallucinatory novel One Hundred Years of Solitude, about the trials and tribulations of one family over several generations. Widely taught in college, it has sold about 50 million copies in more than 25 languages.

90 darthstar  Apr 17, 2014 2:25:14pm
91 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 2:25:42pm

re: #90 darthstar

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Crimea doesn’t pay.

92 Ming  Apr 17, 2014 2:27:07pm

re: #84 Lidane

…Birther Joseph Farah freaks out after Obama jokes about the “crazy” birth certificate controversy http://bit.ly/1mhAQY2

At least one time (the Summer 2011 budget showdown with Congress) I heard Obama say, in response to Democrats who wanted him to explicitly say the GOP was crazy, that he had to be very careful about what he said, because he was the President.

I have no doubt that after Obama leaves office in January 2017, he’ll have many very, very interesting things to say about how many Republicans behaved during his presidency.

93 Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2014 2:28:05pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

Anyone who’s been here for a while knows that there has always been a policy against racist hate speech and violent rhetoric at LGF. There used to be a disclaimer to that effect, in fact, warning that this kind of talk was cause for immediate banning with no appeal.

Even during the period these agenda-driven smear puppies like to say it was a ‘hate site’, people were often banned for outright hate speech, and talk of violence was never tolerated here.

Imperfectly enforced, definitely. But as technology improved, that situation changed.

94 makeitstop  Apr 17, 2014 2:28:53pm

re: #84 Lidane

POTUS sure knows how to troll his critics. Haha:

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He totally channels young Bill Cosby at moments.

And yeah, he loves knowing that even mentioning how crazy Nirthers are drives them straight up the wall.

95 Dr Lizardo  Apr 17, 2014 2:30:47pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Let there be outrage!

Why Are People Upset by This Video of Muslims Dancing to Pharrell’s ‘Happy’?

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There’s any number of imams out there who consider music in general to be ‘haram’, even though there’s absolutely bupkis in the Qur’an about music being forbidden whatsoever.

They cite hadiths, but the problem there is 1) the authenticity of said hadiths is dubious and 2) if a hadith contradicts the Qur’an, it’s not valid.

Typically, these kind of folks just want to ban anything that looks like it might be fun. Heaven forbid (eyeroll) that people want to have a good time.

I’ve gone to Iron Maiden and AC/DC concerts in Prague with a Muslim friend of mine, and former co-worker, who’s pretty good at scoring tickets to such events, and his wife really isn’t into that style of music.

Of course, my background in Islam is the Naqshbandi-Haqqani school, where we play music, sing and chant, so needless to say, that particular school certainly has no problems with music.

96 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 2:31:16pm

re: #87 GeneJockey

I didn’t say AQ had anything to do with it. And it had made no tactical or strategic sense to be there in the first place.

My point is that it is popular on the Right to point to the deaths of 4 in Benghazi, or 18 in Mogadishu and say these embolden AQ, while ignoring the elephant in the room - the ineffectual response to, and rapid withdrawal after the Beirut Barracks bombing.

Right, the point by bringing up Reagan and Beirut is to show that the right’s outrage involving things like Benghazi is selective outrage.

97 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 2:31:55pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Anyone who’s been here for a while knows that there has always been a policy against racist hate speech and violent rhetoric at LGF. There used to be a disclaimer to that effect, in fact, warning that this kind of talk was cause for immediate banning with no appeal.

Even during the period these agenda-driven smear puppies like to say it was a ‘hate site’, people were often banned for outright hate speech, and talk of violence was never tolerated here.

Imperfectly enforced, definitely. But as technology improved, that situation changed.

If all it took for a website to be a hate site was hateful comments, then Yahoo, Youtube, and every site on the internet with unmoderated comments would be a hate site.

This is ridiculous, of course. But farcical ‘reasoning’ appears to be SOP for GG and his apologists.

98 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 2:32:00pm

re: #95 Dr Lizardo

There’s any number of imams out there who consider music in general to be ‘haram’, even though there’s absolutely bupkis in the Qur’an about music being forbidden whatsoever.

They cite hadiths, but the problem there is 1) the authenticity of said hadiths is dubious and 2) if a hadith contradicts the Qur’an, it’s not valid.

Typically, these kind of folks just want to ban anything that looks like it might be fun. Heaven forbid (eyeroll) that people want to have a good time.

I’ve gone to Iron Maiden and AC/DC concerts in Prague with a Muslim friend of mine, and former co-worker, who’s pretty good at scoring tickets to such events, and his wife really isn’t into that style of music.

Of course, my background in Islam is the Naqshbandi-Haqqani school, where we play music, sing and chant, so needless to say, that particular school certainly has no problems with music.

I’ll never understand anyone who can’t appreciate music. I’ve known some in my life. Just boggles my mind.

99 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 2:33:17pm

re: #65 Aunty Entity Dragon

Cal Thomas is a fucking nut. I had enough of him when he demanded on television that the state should forcibly take the child of Amber Frey (the woman who approached police about Scott Peterson after she found out he was married to a missing woman and was lying to her)

Cal thought she was just another slut who needed some white law enforcement men to take control of her for having sexy times outside of marriage.

Even the other Fox panelists were visibly stunned.

I would like Cal to explain how he’s different from an Islamist cleric if he believes that children should be taken from unwed mothers then.

100 Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2014 2:33:52pm

I absolutely, categorically reject the characterization of Little Green Footballs as a “hate site,” now or ever. And the people who are trying to push this smear are using a source for it that is undoubtedly, by any measure, a virulent hate site of the worst kind.

101 Bulworth  Apr 17, 2014 2:34:34pm

Reagan didn’t blame it on a You Tube video and he retaliated with air strikes.

I didn’t much care for YouTube in ‘83. The Internets either. Graphics were terrible. Very slow, too.

///

102 Bulworth  Apr 17, 2014 2:36:38pm

Obamacare enrollments now reported to be 8 million. Of course this report like every report before it is a lie because shutup. And the numbers don’t matter anyway because people are forced to sign up on the exchanges at the point of a gun and the program is a failure anyway, trainwreck. Confirmed. FACT. Period. ///

103 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 2:37:02pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Right, the point by bringing up Reagan and Beirut is to show that the right’s outrage involving things like Benghazi is selective outrage.

I think it was Reagan’s lessons in the limits of power, which is why from then on he only went to war in places we could completely dominate. Mogadishu was a further lesson, then GWB forgot the lesson, perhaps because he remembered Mogadishu and forgot Beirut.

104 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 2:37:03pm

re: #102 Bulworth

Obamacare enrollments now reported to be 8 million. Of course this report like every report before it is a lie because shutup. And the numbers don’t matter anyway because people are forced to sign up on the exchanges at the point of a gun and the program is a failure anyway, trainwreck. Confirmed. FACT. Period. ///

It’s a failure because Joe McCarthy, Jr err Ted Cruz said so!

105 Dr. Matt  Apr 17, 2014 2:37:21pm

re: #16 Gus

Chelsea Clinton is pregnant.

JUST ANOTHER DISTRACTION FROM OBAMACARE!!!!

106 Dr Lizardo  Apr 17, 2014 2:37:24pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

I’ll never understand anyone who can’t appreciate music. I’ve known some in my life. Just boggles my mind.

Same here; I don’t understand it.

The Naqshbandi-Haqqani frequently use music during their meditations; here’s an example.

harmonie-der-herzen.de

107 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 2:38:57pm

re: #105 Dr. Matt

>JUST ANOTHER DISTRACTION FROM OBAMACARE!!!!

Can’t wait to hear Alex Jones’ commentary on the story.

108 ObserverArt  Apr 17, 2014 2:38:57pm

re: #79 Lidane

Cal Thomas is still around?

Like measles and mumps. And if there isn’t some vaccinating done to prevent it, there will be more Cals popping up.

109 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 2:38:58pm

re: #102 Bulworth

Obamacare enrollments now reported to be 8 million. Of course this report like every report before it is a lie because shutup. And the numbers don’t matter anyway because people are forced to sign up on the exchanges at the point of a gun and the program is a failure anyway, trainwreck. Confirmed. FACT. Period. ///

The success of the Obamacare signup is a smokescreen to distract us from the failure of the Obamacare signup!!!

110 Bulworth  Apr 17, 2014 2:41:34pm

Reagan didn’t blame it on a You Tube video and he retaliated with air strikes.

I’m sure air strikes would have impressed the RWNJ squad, two months before a presidential election.

Wagging the dog!!
Not violent enough, not enough Islams killed
Yeah but the BENGHAZi!!! attack should never a happened his fault!!1

111 Dr. Matt  Apr 17, 2014 2:42:33pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

Can’t wait to hear Alex Jones’ commentary on the story.

One of the following:

1. Obama is father.
2. She was implanted with a genetically engineered embryo created in the labs of the UN and NWO.
3. Vince Foster’s ghost is the father

112 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 2:42:52pm

Fact is Reagan could do anything and his right wing sycophants would excuse it. Heaven forbid that Obama never had the Cold War because I can just imagine the noise machine if Obama started talking with Gorby as Reagan ended up doing. I dislike Reagan I concede but I hate the cult of Reagan even more.

113 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 2:43:20pm

re: #111 Dr. Matt

One of the following:

1. Obama is father.
2. She was implanted with a genetically engineered embryo created in the labs of the UN and NWO.
3. Vince Foster’s ghost is the father

David Icke will be on to speculate about the child’s reptilian ancestors.

114 CuriousLurker  Apr 17, 2014 2:44:53pm

re: #78 Aunty Entity Dragon

To be fair…AQ did not exist at the time of the bombing in Beirut and the people involved were Shiites allied with Iran. It made no tactical or strategic sense to leave people there to be blown up.

Perhaps not, but AQ’s precursor, Maktab al-Khidamat, was established in Afghanistan in 1984 by Abdullah Azzam (who also co-founded Lashkar-e-Taiba) and OBL, so both were surely already present there in late 1983, when the Marine barracks bombing happened in Beirut.

Their focus may have been the Soviets in Afghanistan, but I have no doubt that they would have been closely watching & making note of how the US responded to terrorist attacks by other groups in other countries.

115 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 2:45:07pm

re: #111 Dr. Matt

One of the following:

1. Obama is father.
2. She was implanted with a genetically engineered embryo created in the labs of the UN and NWO.
3. Vince Foster’s ghost is the father

4. Bo, the white house dog, is the father.

116 Bulworth  Apr 17, 2014 2:45:41pm
One of the following:

1. Obama is father.
2. She was implanted with a genetically engineered embryo created in the labs of the UN and NWO.
3. Vince Foster’s ghost is the father

LOL, have to admit this made me spit up a little. Caught me unprepared. Damn.

117 Dr. Matt  Apr 17, 2014 2:45:56pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Fact is Reagan could do anything and his right wing sycophants would excuse it

Like pass an executive order to provide for the establishment of appropriate fees for the grazing of domestic livestock on public rangelands?

118 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 2:46:36pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Anyone who’s been here for a while knows that there has always been a policy against racist hate speech and violent rhetoric at LGF. There used to be a disclaimer to that effect, in fact, warning that this kind of talk was cause for immediate banning with no appeal.

Even during the period these agenda-driven smear puppies like to say it was a ‘hate site’, people were often banned for outright hate speech, and talk of violence was never tolerated here.

Imperfectly enforced, definitely. But as technology improved, that situation changed.

If there’s any descriptor I’d label the old LGF with, it would be “anti Jihad.” Which is like, fine really, in theory, especially with regards to opposing radical political Islam and the terrorism that marked the 9/11 attacks. The problem obviously in retrospect was that the narrowness of that perceived focus, reinforced by things like the Cox and Forkum logo and a substantial base that took it as license to assume things about your intent that should never have been assumed.

119 Dr. Matt  Apr 17, 2014 2:46:45pm

re: #115 EPR-radar

4. Bo, the white house dog, is the father.

Don’t give RushBo any material.

120 iossarian  Apr 17, 2014 2:47:18pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

David Icke will be on to speculate about the child’s reptilian ancestors.

David Icke!

I just read his wikipedia page - never knew that he got axed from the BBC for opposing Thatcher’s poll tax. Good for him.

121 darthstar  Apr 17, 2014 2:47:36pm

re: #16 Gus

Chelsea Clinton is pregnant.

This is where we learn that Republicans really are capable of hating a fetus.

122 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 2:47:57pm

re: #117 Dr. Matt

Like pass an executive order to provide for the establishment of appropriate fees for the grazing of domestic livestock on public rangelands?

Yes but only if he was enforcing it. No way Bundy gets this massive right wing sympathy if this is happening under a Reagan White House. It’s not even a party thing since the right calls Bush a RINO since Bush increased spending yet ignore Ronnie’s poor economic policies too. I think they ignore it because Reagan got them so many big wins at the polls and he legitimized their ideology.

123 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 2:48:27pm

re: #120 iossarian

David Icke!

I just read his wikipedia page - never knew that he got axed from the BBC for opposing Thatcher’s poll tax. Good for him.

Well there’s a stopped watch moment.

124 ObserverArt  Apr 17, 2014 2:48:47pm

re: #84 Lidane

POTUS sure knows how to troll his critics. Haha:

[Birther Joseph Farah freaks out after Obama jokes about the “crazy” birth certificate controversy bit.ly]

He has a good feel for ordinary people knowing it is all stupid, so he doesn’t need even say much. A quip here and there and people know and laugh. I like that he is light about it with his big old smile and that just drives the detractors rabid.

Like today when he blew off Cantor’s remarks with the little smile and saying it was a pleasant conversation, so he didn’t get the Cantor remarks and so they must see things differently.

He is not going to be a shrinking violet after leaving office. The crap he has had to go through should keep him fairly motivated to do some more gentle eviscerating.

125 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 2:49:43pm

re: #124 ObserverArt

He has a good feel for ordinary people knowing it is all stupid, so he doesn’t need even say much. A quip here and there and people know and laugh. I like that he is light about it with his big old smile and that just drives the detractors rabid.

Like today when he blew off Cantor’s remarks with the little smile and saying it was a pleasant conversation, so he didn’t get the Cantor remarks and so they must see things differently.

He is not going to be a shrinking violet after leaving office. The crap he has had to go through should keep him fairly motivated to do some more gentle eviscerating.

I’m really looking forward to reading his memoirs. Can’t wait to read what he has to say about people like McCain, Romney, Cantor, Boehner, and McConnell.

126 Bulworth  Apr 17, 2014 2:50:32pm

OT, dropped by cnn.com to check up on the world. Among the items, another story about Dave Chappelle and what he’s up to these days. I think I read a Dave Chappelle story like this about once every other month or so. And it’s been that way for about three or four years. I seem to recall he was a comedian at some point but is there a reason for this Dave Chappelle fascination? Who does the media think he is, Lindsay Lohan?

127 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 2:51:02pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

I absolutely, categorically reject the characterization of Little Green Footballs as a “hate site,” now or ever. And the people who are trying to push this smear are using a source for it that is undoubtedly, by any measure, a virulent hate site of the worst kind.

That’s what’s really fucked up. In their hatred of you Greenwald and Co. are cozying up to Ricky “I Stab Muslims in the Face” Martinez.

128 calochortus  Apr 17, 2014 2:51:19pm

re: #121 darthstar

This is where we learn that Republicans really are capable of hating a fetus.

Apparently Hillary ordered Chelsea to start a family so she could have photo ops for her campaign. (Sadly, I’m not kidding, this seems to be a fairly popular idea.)
My interest is as follows-if I run for president, can I order my daughter and son-in-law to get going on the pregnancy thing?
(Heck, I can order them to do anything I want now. They just won’t comply if they don’t want to.)

129 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 2:52:58pm

re: #128 calochortus

Apparently Hillary ordered Chelsea to start a family so she could have photo ops for her campaign. (Sadly, I’m not kidding, this seems to be a fairly popular idea.)
My interest is as follows-if I run for president, can I order my daughter and son-in-law to get going on the pregnancy thing?
(Heck, I can order them to do anything I want. They just won’t comply if they don’t want to.)

I can see that unfortunately. SHE ORDERED CHELSEA TO DO IT SO SHE WOULND’T LOOK LIKE A HEARTLESS BITCH!

130 bratwurst  Apr 17, 2014 2:54:19pm
131 Bulworth  Apr 17, 2014 2:54:33pm
Apparently Hillary ordered Chelsea to start a family so she could have photo ops for her campaign. (Sadly, I’m not kidding, this seems to be a fairly popular idea.)

Irresponsible not to spec…just trying to distract from Benghaz….

132 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 17, 2014 2:55:53pm

re: #18 Lancelot Link

Oddly enough, there’s one gay, Jewish, ostensibly “liberal” man who is quite popular on Stormfront. I think you can guess who.

I’m sure they also lurvs them some Gilad Atzmon.

133 wrenchwench  Apr 17, 2014 2:57:28pm
134 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 2:59:11pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

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You know, I’d be happy to not call Republicans/conservatives racist. But I’d be even happier if they stopped championing things like weakening or eliminating the Voting Rights Amendment or making out Hispanic immigrants out to be violent criminals.

135 thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2014 2:59:11pm

Evening Lizardim.

136 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 2:59:15pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

That’s what’s really fucked up. In their hatred of you Greenwald and Co. are cozying up to Ricky “I Stab Muslims in the Face” Martinez.

It’s an occupational hazard of the GG et al. modus operandi of already knowing the truth and then selecting and modifying available texts to support the predetermined narrative.

A certain lack of rigor in source selection readily become apparent.

137 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 2:59:40pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Right, the point by bringing up Reagan and Beirut is to show that the right’s outrage involving things like Benghazi is selective outrage.

Also, not only selective outrage, but very selective memory. The folks who, after 9/11, blamed our exit from Somalia after Mogadishu were the ones calling loudest for that exit. I went back and looked at some contemporary reports, and sure enough, it was the GOP pushing for us to leave RIGHT THEN, and Dems supporting the Administration’s desire to withdraw more deliberately.

138 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 17, 2014 3:00:20pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

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Wow, that’s some trenchant criticism. Some dude she once knew made an entirely non-described argument that persuaded her silly ass.

When Mona puts all the mentions at the beginning of her tweets, nobody will see it except for the mentioned unless they retweet it. It’s like she’s blocking her own tweets.

139 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 3:00:43pm

re: #137 GeneJockey

Also, not only selective outrage, but very selective memory. The folks who, after 9/11, blamed our exit from Somalia after Mogadishu were the ones calling loudest for that exit. I went back and looked at some contemporary reports, and sure enough, it was the GOP pushing for us to leave RIGHT THEN, and Dems supporting the Administration’s desire to withdraw more deliberately.

Interesting. Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest tho.

140 Killgore Trout  Apr 17, 2014 3:02:55pm

re: #95 Dr Lizardo

There’s any number of imams out there who consider music in general to be ‘haram’, even though there’s absolutely bupkis in the Qur’an about music being forbidden whatsoever.

They cite hadiths, but the problem there is 1) the authenticity of said hadiths is dubious and 2) if a hadith contradicts the Qur’an, it’s not valid.

Typically, these kind of folks just want to ban anything that looks like it might be fun. Heaven forbid (eyeroll) that people want to have a good time.

I’ve gone to Iron Maiden and AC/DC concerts in Prague with a Muslim friend of mine, and former co-worker, who’s pretty good at scoring tickets to such events, and his wife really isn’t into that style of music.

Of course, my background in Islam is the Naqshbandi-Haqqani school, where we play music, sing and chant, so needless to say, that particular school certainly has no problems with music.

Poor Suffis get the short end of the stick when fundamentalists get going. Shia hate the Sunnis, Sunnis hate the Shia, everybody hates the Suffis.

141 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 3:03:36pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

You know, I’d be happy to not call Republicans/conservatives racist. But I’d be even happier if they stopped championing things like weakening or eliminating the Voting Rights Amendment or making out Hispanic immigrants out to be violent criminals.

I’ll stop calling Republicans racists when they stop being racists, stop voting for racist elected officials, and do something about the racist neo-confederates infesting the GOP base that gain power every time someone votes GOP anywhere at any time.

Deal?

142 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 3:04:33pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Fact is Reagan could do anything and his right wing sycophants would excuse it. Heaven forbid that Obama never had the Cold War because I can just imagine the noise machine if Obama started talking with Gorby as Reagan ended up doing. I dislike Reagan I concede but I hate the cult of Reagan even more.

They either excuse it, or they conveniently forget it. In addition to the Beirut thing, he tripled the National Debt after running on a platform of balancing the budget. He signed what up till then was the largest tax increase. He passed the EITC. He supported and lobbied for the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban. He made abortion legal in California.

How many of the Reagan worshippers will acknowledge those?

143 Varek Raith  Apr 17, 2014 3:05:37pm

re: #142 GeneJockey

They either excuse it, or they conveniently forget it. In addition to the Beirut thing, he tripled the National Debt after running on a platform of balancing the budget. He signed what up till then was the largest tax increase. He passed the EITC. He supported and lobbied for the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban. He made abortion legal in California.

How many of the Reagan worshippers will acknowledge those?

There’s Ronald Reagan.
Then there’s Saint Ronald Reagan.

144 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 3:05:40pm

re: #141 EPR-radar

I’ll stop calling Republicans racists when they stop being racists, stop voting for racist elected officials, and do something about the racist neo-confederates infesting the GOP base that gain power every time someone votes GOP anywhere at any time.

Deal?

Really. This can’t be updinged enough. It’s the actions of Republicans that get them called racist despite what they believe. Maybe Republican candidates and officials should stop saying minorities vote Democratic because they want “Free stuff.” I could go on and on but the Republicans and right have earned the racist label that gets thrown at them.

145 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 3:06:46pm

re: #143 Varek Raith

There’s Ronald Reagan.
Then there’s Saint Ronald Reagan.

Ronald Reagan versus Ronald Reagan
One was a guy who lived in real constructs. The other tore down the Berlin Wall with his bare hands. A lot of people forget the wall actually fell in H.W’s presidency.

146 RadicalModerate  Apr 17, 2014 3:06:49pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

I absolutely, categorically reject the characterization of Little Green Footballs as a “hate site,” now or ever. And the people who are trying to push this smear are using a source for it that is undoubtedly, by any measure, a virulent hate site of the worst kind.

Keep in mind that these same sort of people are the ones who are making the idiotic claim that the SPLC and ADL are by their definition “hate groups”, while using the same racist and other bigoted rhetoric that places like Stormfront and VNN use.

Immediately coming to mind is Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council. It should go without saying that Perkins’ ties to neo-Condfederate and white supremacists is well-documented.

147 Dr Lizardo  Apr 17, 2014 3:08:04pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Poor Suffis get the short end of the stick when fundamentalists get going. Shia hate the Sunnis, Sunnis hate the Shia, everybody hates the Suffis.

You’ll find both Sunni and Shi’a Sufis; the problems get started when overly-dogmatic and narrow-minded kooks get on their high horses and start pontificating.

Sufism is still pretty strong in Turkey, actually, as well as in the Turkish diaspora in Europe. The Sufis are also quite good at making converts - many of the Sufis at the Sufi centers I went to in Germany were ethnic German converts - in one of the centers, they were the majority. I know they’re setting up shop in Prague now as well, so we’ll have to see how that goes.

148 calochortus  Apr 17, 2014 3:10:46pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Poor Suffis get the short end of the stick when fundamentalists get going. Shia hate the Sunnis, Sunnis hate the Shia, everybody hates the Suffis.

Sing it with me-

But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week,
It’s National Everyone-smile-at-one-another-hood Week.
Be nice to people who
Are inferior to you.
It’s only for a week, so have no fear.
Be grateful that it doesn’t last all year!

149 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 3:10:56pm

Mona’s meltdown in 2007: “(Update) Ron Paul: Scaring the Sh*t out of all the “Right” People”

150 Killgore Trout  Apr 17, 2014 3:11:19pm

re: #147 Dr Lizardo

The Sufis are also quite good at making converts - many of the Sufis at the Sufi centers I went to in Germany were ethnic German converts - in one of the centers, they were the majority. I know they’re setting up shop in Prague now as well, so we’ll have to see how that goes.

I can see the appeal, if nothing else at least the Suffis have fun, there’s music, the services are really cool. It looks like more fun than most forms of Christianity.

151 Eventual Carrion  Apr 17, 2014 3:11:40pm

re: #44 Gus

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Just like the Inquisition and its belief in only one true god so everyone else had to switch or die? Oh no, that was a religious hypothesis that led to that.

152 Killgore Trout  Apr 17, 2014 3:13:16pm

I think I’m going to take a walk over to Portland’s famous pee reservoir. Haven’t been over there for a while. It’s raining but I need the exercise.

153 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 3:14:04pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

Really. This can’t be updinged enough. It’s the actions of Republicans that get them called racist despite what they believe. Maybe Republican candidates and officials should stop saying minorities vote Democratic because they want “Free stuff.” I could go on and on but the Republicans and right have earned the racist label that gets thrown at them.

I try to make my criticism of the GOP as honest as I can, because it stings worse that way.

For example, equating the GOP with the Nazis is too kind because its factual incorrectness gives the GOP apologist too much material to work with.

The deadlier charge against the GOP is that elements within it, especially the so-cons, are into scapegoating people to lethal effect where possible (e.g., kill the gays bills in Africa).

154 thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2014 3:14:14pm

On the topic of LGF as a hate site, there’s no doubt that there was a bit of anti-Muslim bias in the years immediately following 9/11; but it never came anywhere near progressing to outright hatred. Calling LGF a hate site is somewhat akin to calling Fox a news network; sure, there may be elements somewhere in the past that can be twisted and tortured into being called “news”, but certainly nothing resembling such today.

155 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 3:14:14pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Ronald Reagan versus Ronald Reagan
One was a guy who lived in real constructs. The other tore down the Berlin Wall with his bare hands. A lot of people forget the wall actually fell in H.W’s presidency.

They also forget how upset the Right was with Reagan for being so chummy with Gorbachev.

156 Ming  Apr 17, 2014 3:14:32pm

re: #102 Bulworth

Obamacare enrollments now reported to be 8 million. Of course this report like every report before it is a lie because shutup. And the numbers don’t matter anyway because people are forced to sign up on the exchanges at the point of a gun and the program is a failure anyway, trainwreck. Confirmed. FACT. Period. ///

People will continue to argue back and forth about who said what before the President signed the ACA into law, and after the President signed the ACA into law. But the name of the game remains the same: President Obama wants more Americans to have insurance coverage, and many ACA opponents want fewer Americans to have insurance coverage.

157 dog philosopher  Apr 17, 2014 3:15:45pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

This was in response to the following. Her and Glenn Greenwald feel a need to define LGF has being, or at least having in the past been a “hate site.” Now I was never a fan of the old LGF, but “hate site” is a very strong charge, so I pointed out that SPLC never once listed LGF as one. I figure the world needs some kind of objective standards. Just tossing around a term like “hate site” loosely, especially when it’s done purely as a distraction technique to avoid dealing with Charles’ current critiques of Greenwald’s activities, does a massive disservice to the fight against genuine hate sites like Stormfront.

upding for caring about the meaning of words

158 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 3:15:48pm

re: #153 EPR-radar

I try to make my criticism of the GOP as honest as I can, because it stings worse that way.

For example, equating the GOP with the Nazis is too kind because its factual incorrectness gives the GOP apologist too much material to work with.

The deadlier charge against the GOP is that elements within it, especially the so-cons, are into scapegoating people to lethal effect where possible (e.g., kill the gays bills in Africa).

Yeah I don’t like resorting to Nazis because I hate doing that for obvious reasons. I just point out that they champion things like amendments that take away people’s rights i.e. ban on SSM or how they claim to be for limited government but want to use the government to harass women who choose to get abortions.

159 Dr Lizardo  Apr 17, 2014 3:16:12pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

I think I’m going to take a walk over to Portland’s famous pee reservoir. Haven’t been over there for a while. It’s raining but I need the exercise.

Well for heavens sake, don’t pee in it!! They’ll have to drain it again!

:D

160 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 3:17:18pm

re: #154 thedopefishlives

On the topic of LGF as a hate site, there’s no doubt that there was a bit of anti-Muslim bias in the years immediately following 9/11; but it never came anywhere near progressing to outright hatred. Calling LGF a hate site is somewhat akin to calling Fox a news network; sure, there may be elements somewhere in the past that can be twisted and tortured into being called “news”, but certainly nothing resembling such today.

There is also the question of proprietor vs. commenters.

A proprietor that posts no hate of his/her own and polices hateful comments can only be charged with running a hate site in a looking glass world where up is down.

161 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 3:18:14pm

re: #155 GeneJockey

They also forget how upset the Right was with Reagan for being so chummy with Gorbachev.

Precisely. Really, it’s the idea of Reagan. The guy who nearly won all 50 states that they love not the actual man. The actual man was and I think would disappoint them even more today since they;ve grown more puritanical. What they don’t get though is when they try to emulate Reagan is that Reagan for all my faults with him was a guy who projected optimism. Their guys especially their current frontrunners Rand Paul especially comes to mind are negative whiners.

162 dog philosopher  Apr 17, 2014 3:19:08pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

I absolutely, categorically reject the characterization of Little Green Footballs as a “hate site,” now or ever. And the people who are trying to push this smear are using a source for it that is undoubtedly, by any measure, a virulent hate site of the worst kind.

it would be called ‘projection’ if it wasn’t that it is a deliberate, not to mention very popular tactic these days with wingnuttia

163 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 3:19:33pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

Precisely. Really, it’s the idea of Reagan. The guy who nearly won all 50 states that they love not the actual man. The actual man was and I think would disappoint them even more today since they;ve grown more puritanical. What they don’t get though is when they try to emulate Reagan is that Reagan for all my faults with him was a guy who projected optimism. Their guys especially their current frontrunners Rand Paul especially comes to mind are negative whiners.

Which is a good thing. Movement conservatism is essentially a negative thing, so it is very troublesome when someone like Reagan comes along that can make it superficially appealing.

164 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 3:20:29pm

Oops. Spastic dinger.

165 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 3:21:41pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

I think I’m going to take a walk over to Portland’s famous pee reservoir. Haven’t been over there for a while. It’s raining but I need the exercise.

Drink a six pack first. //

166 dog philosopher  Apr 17, 2014 3:22:03pm

do not eat packet

goddam big gummint i’ll eat the packet if i want to!!!

167 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 3:23:10pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

Precisely. Really, it’s the idea of Reagan. The guy who nearly won all 50 states that they love not the actual man. The actual man was and I think would disappoint them even more today since they;ve grown more puritanical. What they don’t get though is when they try to emulate Reagan is that Reagan for all my faults with him was a guy who projected optimism. Their guys especially their current frontrunners Rand Paul especially comes to mind are negative whiners.

The other thing about Reagan is something I didn’t consider when he was President and I was in my 20s - he was 1) an actor, and 2) a former Union President. From the latter, he knew that you start a negotiation by asking for the Moon, then you bargain back from there. From the former, he knew how to make it seem like he was crazy enough to be serious about the starting position.

If I had to state one criticism of Obama, it’s that he approaches a negotiation like a rational person, stating a reasonable set of wants, rather than, for example, asking for Single Payer and ending up with Obamacare plus the Public Option.

168 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 17, 2014 3:23:57pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Poor Suffis get the short end of the stick when fundamentalists get going. Shia hate the Sunnis, Sunnis hate the Shia, everybody hates the Suffis.

Sufis can be Shi’ite or Sunni, you ignoramus.

169 HappyWarrior  Apr 17, 2014 3:26:20pm

re: #167 GeneJockey

The other thing about Reagan is something I didn’t consider when he was President and I was in my 20s - he was 1) an actor, and 2) a former Union President. From the latter, he knew that you start a negotiation by asking for the Moon, then you bargain back from there. From the former, he knew how to make it seem like he was crazy enough to be serious about the starting position.

If I had to state one criticism of Obama, it’s that he approaches a negotiation like a rational person, stating a reasonable set of wants, rather than, for example, asking for Single Payer and ending up with Obamacare plus the Public Option.

That’s a good point. Never thought about it like that. I think Obama though you know by proposing basically what Romney had passed in Massachusetts and what the Republicans proposed in response to Clinton wrongly expected to get a bunch of Republicans on board with the proposal. I think he underestimated how resentful the R’s in Congress were towards him.

170 palmerskiss  Apr 17, 2014 3:26:22pm

re: #68 Political Atheist

I don’t recall a rule like that. Disclosure might just do it.

thank you - i’ll go ahead and page it with a disclosure

171 Lidane  Apr 17, 2014 3:26:47pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

I absolutely, categorically reject the characterization of Little Green Footballs as a “hate site,” now or ever.

For me, it’s very simple. If Little Green Footballs was anything even remotely like a hate site, I wouldn’t be here. I never would have registered here, either.

It’s not one, but there are people who have a very weird obsession with turning it into one.

172 Ming  Apr 17, 2014 3:28:28pm

re: #153 EPR-radar

…The deadlier charge against the GOP is that elements within it, especially the so-cons, are into scapegoating people to lethal effect where possible (e.g., kill the gays bills in Africa).

I recently read about a couple of similar things (although of course, the kill the gays bills in Africa are uniquely offensive). According to The End of Faith (Sam Harris, pp. 167 - 168), the G. W. Bush Administration cut off funding to any overseas family-planning group that provided information about abortion. This affected condom availability in 16 countries, and presumably contributed to deaths from AIDS. Also, the Bush Administration required that 1/3 of the AIDS prevention funds allocated to Africa be squandered on teaching abstinence rather than condom use.

173 Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2014 3:29:27pm
174 Skip Intro  Apr 17, 2014 3:29:29pm

This is as good a place as any, I guess.

175 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 3:29:52pm

I think the reason that a lot of the people who are here now came here is because it was fucking amazing to actually see an online community in flux. I’ve never seen anything remotely like it. It took a very unique combination of blog owner and the right kind and number of reasonable commenters to execute the kind of change that took place here. It’s easy to imagine this place dying completely as a result of the lines in the sand Charles drew.

The fights against Creationism, Christian Supremacy and the European neo-fascist right alienated a huge chunk of a community that had come to view the place as theirs. It’s no coincidence that Blogmocracy originally had named itself LGF 2.0, they felt that their home had been stolen by one random dude, (who they had just coincidentally worshiped) ignoring the fact that this place never belonged to them. Without a solid number of moderates and liberals already in place and contributing to those debates that this place could easily have ended up another deserted blog on internet. Instead, while the old numbers haven’t come back the discussion here is actually thriving, and the community is more diverse and interesting than ever.

176 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 3:29:59pm
177 lawhawk  Apr 17, 2014 3:30:46pm

re: #67 GeneJockey

USS New Jersey.

178 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 3:31:14pm

re: #171 Lidane

It’s not one, but there are people who have a very weird obsession with turning it into one.

And those people have evidence of their own regrettable pasts still on the internet that they’d rather not have brought up and thrown in their faces.

179 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 17, 2014 3:31:24pm

re: #171 Lidane

For me, it’s very simple. If Little Green Footballs was anything even remotely like a hate site, I wouldn’t be here. I never would have registered here, either.

It’s not one, but there are people who have a very weird obsession with turning it into one.

There were people here, in the past, who were haters. They posted on this site. That’s about as close as it comes.

There was also a tendency towards group blame, and a lack of understanding for the historic position of the ‘left’ on Islam; that for a long time, leftists were the only ones complaining about radical Islam, specifically in its treatment of women and minorities. That bit bugged me.

But that’s the past. It wasn’t a hate site. The most that can be said is Charles Thought Things That Were Wrong. Egads.

Along with the haters, there’s also a weird puritopian emphasis on self-flagellating, for going over every single old mistake and repudiating it individually. I don’t get the point. A brief perusal of the blog can see what Charles thinks now, how is it in any way a gotcha to say “You never said you were wrong about this particular thing!” It’s not like he pretends he wasn’t anti-Jihad, that he didn’t, at one point, associate with the people he then repudiated. You can’t really repudiate without acknowledging the association.

180 Minor_L  Apr 17, 2014 3:34:33pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

I don’t think they even think that. So many people called Greenwald out on his original tweet (for either being stupid or deliberately smearing you) that he had to come up with a different explanation. Because, obviously, he cannot back down from anything, ever. So, he spent all day coming up with this new “reason.” The super extra helping of smear of you was a bonus of his “explanation.”

He’d rather double down on the defamation than apologize. That says all we need to know about him.

181 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 3:35:43pm

re: #177 lawhawk

USS New Jersey.

Thanks. I knew it was one of the big WWII battleships.

182 thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2014 3:36:22pm

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

I think the reason that a lot of the people who are here now came here is because it was fucking amazing to actually see an online community in flux. I’ve never seen anything remotely like it. It took a very unique combination of blog owner and the right kind and number of reasonable commenters to execute the kind of change that took place here. It’s easy to imagine this place dying completely as a result of the lines in the sand Charles drew.

The fights against Creationism, Christian Supremacy and the European neo-fascist right alienated a huge chunk of a community that had come to view the place as theirs. It’s no coincidence that Blogmocracy originally had named itself LGF 2.0, they felt that their home had been stolen by one random dude, ignoring the fact that it never belonged to them. It’s easy to imagine that without a solid number of moderates and liberals already in place and contributing to those debates that this place could easily have ended up another deserted blog on internet. Instead, while the old numbers haven’t come back the discussion here is actually thriving, and the community is more diverse and interesting than ever.

There are also those of us who were in the midst of a mindset change at the same time Charles was. You’d be hard-pressed to call me a moderate or a liberal when I joined, but I was headed in that direction. What separated me from the haters is that I was willing to change as I learned more true facts, as opposed to those who were stuck in their ideological rut and resented that people might actually change their minds, even about core convictions.

183 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 17, 2014 3:36:32pm

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

I think the reason that a lot of the people who are here now came here is because it was fucking amazing to actually see an online community in flux. I’ve never seen anything remotely like it. It took a very unique combination of blog owner and the right kind and number of reasonable commenters to execute the kind of change that took place here. It’s easy to imagine this place dying completely as a result of the lines in the sand Charles drew.

The fights against Creationism, Christian Supremacy and the European neo-fascist right alienated a huge chunk of a community that had come to view the place as theirs. It’s no coincidence that Blogmocracy originally had named itself LGF 2.0, they felt that their home had been stolen by one random dude, ignoring the fact that it never belonged to them. It’s easy to imagine that without a solid number of moderates and liberals already in place and contributing to those debates that this place could easily have ended up another deserted blog on internet. Instead, while the old numbers haven’t come back the discussion here is actually thriving, and the community is more diverse and interesting than ever.

I used to be on Fark, which just got fucking trolled to death. Even back when the real weirdos like Bagua and Walter and the like were here, you didn’t just get page after page of low-effort trolling. As wrong as they were, and as nutty as some of them were, they could actually articulate their arguments enough for a debate to happen. They were presenting arguments honestly.

Something about the stripped-down format, too, lends itself well to drawing attention to people’s fuckups. With one main thread at a time, with others easily eye-able, it’s hard for someone to slip by classic cockups without getting noticed for them. On a place like Fark, with hundreds of things going on at once, it was a lot more effort to remember who made the good, and who made the horrible arguments, so much that people made plugins to color-code people.

Even back when I was being downdinged for stating that most US Jews were leftist, there was something worthwhile engaging here.

184 lawhawk  Apr 17, 2014 3:37:11pm

re: #154 thedopefishlives

On the topic of LGF as a hate site, there’s no doubt that there was a bit of anti-Muslim bias in the years immediately following 9/11; but it never came anywhere near progressing to outright hatred. Calling LGF a hate site is somewhat akin to calling Fox a news network; sure, there may be elements somewhere in the past that can be twisted and tortured into being called “news”, but certainly nothing resembling such today.

The comments section did contain quite a bit of anti-Muslim vitriol and hatred after 9/11, and I started posting here in October 2001.

But Charles didn’t get swept away in all that. He did his best to eliminate the worst offenders, and began the registration system to purge the comment section to effect an even greater amount of control over his site. This is, and remains, his site, and he saw all that hate as a reflection on him.

To his credit, he did something about it. He did the registrations and he recruited a couple of people, like Stinky, to make sure things didn’t get out of hand.

And the split with the anti-Islam right, made with principle and conviction, was and remains the right thing to have done.

It’s his place and his rules, and I’ve been privileged enough to be around for a good portion of it.

185 Jack Burton  Apr 17, 2014 3:40:02pm

re: #180 Minor_L

I don’t think they even think that. So many people called Greenwald out on his original tweet (for either being stupid or deliberately smearing you) that he had to come up with a different explanation. Because, obviously, he cannot back down from anything, ever. So, he spent all day coming up with this new “reason.” The super extra helping of smear of you was a bonus of his “explanation.”

He’d rather double down on the defamation than apologize. That says all we need to know about him.

I said yesterday that Greenwald would either ignore it or use some dudebro pretzel logic to justify it. He chose the latter.

186 Varek Raith  Apr 17, 2014 3:40:39pm

re: #185 Jack Burton

I said yesterday that Greenwald would either ignore it or use some dudebro pretzel logic to justify it. He chose the latter.

He always chooses to dig deeper.

187 Decatur Deb  Apr 17, 2014 3:41:11pm

re: #182 thedopefishlives

re: #183 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

re: #184 lawhawk

Just came here for the boob-pun threads.

188 wrenchwench  Apr 17, 2014 3:41:36pm

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

Instead, while the old numbers haven’t come back the discussion here is actually thriving, and the community is more diverse and interesting than ever.

The repudiation of the haters came at a cost. That makes it difficult to doubt the sincerity of the repudiation. Apparently it’s not impossible though, if you’re a pigheaded dudebro or damebro.

189 thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2014 3:41:40pm

re: #186 Varek Raith

He always chooses to dig deeper.

On a 3-2 count, you always swing for the fences.

190 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 3:41:59pm

re: #185 Jack Burton

I said yesterday that Greenwald would either ignore it or use some dudebro pretzel logic to justify it. He chose the latter.

It’s a site, and I hate it. Therefore, it’s a Hate Site!”

191 wrenchwench  Apr 17, 2014 3:42:25pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

Just came here for the boob-pun threads.

I came for the bike posts. I should flounce.

192 thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2014 3:42:29pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

Just came here for the boob-pun threads.

LGF: Come for the pun threads, stay for the gamey troll buttocks.

193 Minor_L  Apr 17, 2014 3:43:08pm

re: #185 Jack Burton

I believe he is literally incapable of admitting being wrong. Or, put another way, he believes he is literally incapable of being wrong.

194 CuriousLurker  Apr 17, 2014 3:43:24pm

re: #147 Dr Lizardo

You’ll find both Sunni and Shi’a Sufis; the problems get started when overly-dogmatic and narrow-minded kooks get on their high horses and start pontificating.

Sufism is still pretty strong in Turkey, actually, as well as in the Turkish diaspora in Europe. The Sufis are also quite good at making converts - many of the Sufis at the Sufi centers I went to in Germany were ethnic German converts - in one of the centers, they were the majority. I know they’re setting up shop in Prague now as well, so we’ll have to see how that goes.

The “Happy” video is probably far more representative of the average British Muslim than people like Anjem Choudary. Are there Muslims who think dancing is wrong? Yes, there are. It probably wouldn’t take me long to find Christians & Jews who think it’s wrong too, if I cared to go looking.

This is where people like Hirsi Ali, Geller, et al cause the most damage. They create fear & suspicion by painting all Muslims with the brush of extremism. I mean, FFS, I wish people understood that 99% of us don’t sit at home cursing the West and plotting how we’re going to defeat the infidels. We work, cook dinner, bake pies (like VB), do chores, exercise, and, yes, sometimes we even dance! The last time a close Muslim friend of mine was here visiting, we spent hours playing music from the ’70s, singing along & dancing around like lunatics.

I wish more people understood that it’s really not astonishing in the least.

195 Varek Raith  Apr 17, 2014 3:43:49pm

I came here for the dousing.

All kidding aside, I respected Charles for his evolution.
So I signed up.

196 thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2014 3:44:33pm

re: #193 Minor_L

I believe he is literally incapable of admitting being wrong. Or, put another way, he believes he is literally incapable of being wrong.

It’s why I call him Hypnowald; he is so convinced of his rightness that he tries to browbeat people into either admitting he’s right or shutting up.

197 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 3:44:57pm

re: #183 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I used to be on Fark, which just got fucking trolled to death.

The trolling at Fark became a feature, not a bug. I think Drew realized at a point that he could squeeze page views out of fostering false controversies. Trolls kept dumbshits arguing and even when they put in an “ignore” feature you couldn’t prevent dumbshits from quoting trolls. It’s no substitute for actually actively managing a site.

There also came a point over there when triangulation of “middle” from two self identified extremes actually got codified into the very design and operating philosophy. They’ve since abandoned that weird “commie” vs. “fascist” balancing scale, but the worship of false equivalence remains obvious.

198 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 3:45:36pm

re: #186 Varek Raith

He always chooses to dig deeper.

This has been very educational to me. Back when GG was at Salon, I didn’t usually have a big problem with his opinion pieces.

However, playing the Snowden/Greenwald farce as straight news as opposed to some combination of opinion and Russian intelligence operations is too dishonest to put up with.

199 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 3:46:37pm

re: #184 lawhawk

“To his credit, he did something about it.”

And how often does that actually happen on the internet? It’s a very rare thing.

200 Dr Lizardo  Apr 17, 2014 3:47:27pm

re: #194 CuriousLurker

The “Happy” video is probably far more representative of the average British Muslim than people like Anjem Choudary. Are there Muslims who think dancing is wrong? Yes, there are. It probably wouldn’t take me long to find Christians & Jews who think it’s wrong too, if I cared to go looking.

This is where people like Hirsi Ali, Geller, et al cause the most damage. They create fear & suspicion by painting all Muslims with the brush of extremism. I mean, FFS, I wish people understood that 99% of us don’t sit at home cursing the West and plotting how we’re going to defeat the infidels. We work, cook dinner, bake pies (like VB), do chores, exercise, and, yes, sometimes we even dance! The last time a close Muslim friend of mine was here visiting, we spent hours playing music from the ’70s, singing along & dancing around like lunatics.

I wish more people understood that it’s really not astonishing in the least.

It’s owing to folks like Geller, Spencer, the Clarion Foundation, etc., that Muslims have been painted as puritanical wackos; of course, in all truth, people like Anjem Choudary don’t help, not in the slightest. Sadly, extremists tend to suck up all the air in the room, and they’re quite good at getting media attention.

201 Minor_L  Apr 17, 2014 3:47:40pm

re: #198 EPR-radar

I’m so embarrassed. I used to DONATE to him. OMG, I could die of the embarrassment.

I think there was always an element of ego and unwillingness to back down from unreasonable positions about him, but he has definitely jumped the shark and gone to a completely higher plane of asshole/liar/hypocrite. I’d be interested to know how many converts there are like me out there. I’ve rarely respected anyone less than I respect him now.

202 Jack Burton  Apr 17, 2014 3:48:10pm

re: #196 thedopefishlives

It’s why I call him Hypnowald; he is so convinced of his rightness that he tries to browbeat people into either admitting he’s right or shutting up.

Youtube Video

The NSA is reading all your emails.
Snowden is a whistleblower.
Russia is a paragon of free-speech and human rights.
LGF is a hate site.
The Hypnowald is a legitimate journalist.
All glory to the Hypnowald.

203 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 3:48:53pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

And how often does that actually happen on the internet? It’s a very rare thing.

Another thing that’s very rare on the internet is for the commenters to span a significant range of the political spectrum and still basically get along.

204 Varek Raith  Apr 17, 2014 3:50:16pm

re: #202 Jack Burton

[Embedded content]

The NSA is reading all your emails.
Snowden is a whistleblower.
Russia is a paragon of free-speech and human rights.
LGF is a hate site.
The Hypnowald is a legitimate journalist.
All glory to the Hypnowald.

That show’s been going downhill since season three.

205 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 3:52:15pm

re: #194 CuriousLurker

Geller & Co. are all about the labels people self identify with. For me there’s a scale that goes like this:

Cool
Groovy
Hip
Square

206 Bubblehead II  Apr 17, 2014 3:53:32pm

re: #202 Jack Burton

[Embedded content]

The NSA is reading all your emails.
Snowden is a whistleblower.
Russia is a paragon of free-speech and human rights.
LGF is a hate site.
The Hypnowald is a legitimate journalist.
All glory to the Hypnowald.

Maybe Gus could photoshop hypnotoads eyes onto GGs face and then tweet it.

207 CuriousLurker  Apr 17, 2014 3:53:49pm

re: #205 goddamnedfrank

Geller & Co. are all about the labels people self identify with. For me there’s a scale that goes like this:

Cool
Groovy
Hip
Square

I like your labels much, much better tham hers. ;o)

208 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 17, 2014 3:55:11pm

re: #205 goddamnedfrank

Geller & Co. are all about the labels people self identify with. For me there’s a scale that goes like this:

Cool
Groovy
Hip
Square

Nifty
Impeccable
Fan-fucking-tastic
Cohen-esque

209 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 3:55:56pm

re: #207 CuriousLurker

I like your labels much, much better tham hers. ;o)

I stole them from Dr. L Ron Blumquist.

Youtube Video

210 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 3:56:30pm

re: #201 Minor_L

I’m so embarrassed. I used to DONATE to him. OMG, I could die of the embarrassment.

I think there was always an element of ego and unwillingness to back down from unreasonable positions about him, but he has definitely jumped the shark and gone to a completely higher plane of asshole/liar/hypocrite. I’d be interested to know how many converts there are like me out there. I’ve rarely respected anyone less than I respect him now.

I never donated - I’m a cheap summbitch - but I used to read approvingly his pre-Salon blog, and even bought his book. Or at least, I seem to recall having bought his book. Then I kinda lost track, and the next time he crossed my radar was when Snowden rabbited to Hong Kong and all this shit started.

He’s become SO unreasonable that I wonder why I never saw it before.

211 Minor_L  Apr 17, 2014 3:57:35pm

re: #210 GeneJockey

You never saw it, because he wasn’t that unreasonable back at Unclaimed Territory. He started moving that way at Salon, and I stopped reading then.

212 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 3:58:13pm

re: #209 goddamnedfrank

I miss Michael Jeter.

213 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 4:00:01pm

Do you think the anthropologist Margaret Mead’s strange behavior of late could be explained by a private marijuana addiction?

214 b_sharp  Apr 17, 2014 4:03:55pm

re: #195 Varek Raith

I came here for the dousing.

All kidding aside, I respected Charles for his evolution.
So I signed up.

I thought you just fell out of the sky.

215 Decatur Deb  Apr 17, 2014 4:04:18pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

Do you think the anthropologist Margaret Mead’s strange behavior of late could be explained by a private marijuana addiction?

No, it’s because she’s still dead.

216 Varek Raith  Apr 17, 2014 4:07:47pm

re: #214 b_sharp

I thought you just fell out of the sky.

Yeah, well, it hurt.

217 GeneJockey  Apr 17, 2014 4:09:05pm

re: #216 Varek Raith

Yeah, well, it hurt.

So you were Thor for a while?
//

218 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 17, 2014 4:14:04pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

I absolutely, categorically reject the characterization of Little Green Footballs as a “hate site,” now or ever. And the people who are trying to push this smear are using a source for it that is undoubtedly, by any measure, a virulent hate site of the worst kind.

If you look at Mona Holland’s Twitter feed, by the same token it can be described as a virulent hate feed. She has this virulent hate thing going on for Teh Juice.

Of course she has already twitsplained that she is NOT AN ANTI-SEMITE because she exempts certain Juice (like Max Blumenthal, Gilad Atzmon) from her Twit Hate.

219 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 4:18:47pm

re: #218 Pie-onist Overlord

If you look at Mona Holland’s Twitter feed, by the same token it can be described as a virulent hate feed. She has this virulent hate thing going on for Teh Juice.

Of course she has already twitsplained that she is NOT AN ANTI-SEMITE because she exempts certain Juice (like Max Blumenthal, Gilad Atzmon) from her Twit Hate.

Gilad Atzmon actually might make Max seem reasonable.

220 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 17, 2014 4:19:48pm

re: #195 Varek Raith

I came here for the dousing.

All kidding aside, I respected Charles for his evolution.
So I signed up.

I see what you did there.

221 CuriousLurker  Apr 17, 2014 4:19:49pm

Anyone here familiar with Amos Oz? I’d never heard of him until CriticalDragon posted this Page about Palestinian college students visiting Auschwitz (the WaPo article mentions that the professor who arranged the trip, Mohammed S. Dajani, carries around a book by Oz).

Since I’m in the middle of reading a couple of books about the I-P conflict written in the early ’90s by the investigative journalist Robert Friedman (1, 2, 3, 4), it caught my eye as something I might find useful in terms of increased understanding about the issues.

I found several essays of his (Oz’s) around the web—like Fanatics Attack, which I thoroughly enjoyed—and I read several articles about him as well as reviews of his books, so I ordered a copy of the book the professor was carrying around, How to Cure a Fanatic.

The reason I’m boring all of you with this is because I know Oz is a very famous Israeli author and I’d just like to know if any of you have thoughts on his writings or know of specific things I should be aware of when reading his works.

222 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 4:19:58pm
65 years after the liberation of Auschwitz we should reclaim our history and ask why? Why were the Jews hated? Why did European people stand up against their next door neighbours? Why are the Jews hated in the Middle East, surely they had a chance to open a new page in their troubled history? If they genuinely planned to do so, as the early Zionists claimed, why did they fail? Why did America tighten its immigration laws amid the growing danger to European Jews? We should also ask for what purpose do the holocaust denial laws serve? What is the holocaust religion there to conceal? As long as we fail to ask questions, we will be subjected to Zionists and their Neocons agents’ plots. We will continue killing in the name of Jewish suffering. We will maintain our complicity in Western imperialist crimes against humanity.

As devastating as it may be, at a certain moment in time, a horrible chapter was given an exceptionally meta-historical status. Its ‘factuality’ was sealed by draconian laws and its reasoning was secured by social and political settings. The Holocaust became the new Western religion. Unfortunately, it is the most sinister religion known to man.

Gilad Atzmon

223 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 4:22:04pm

Gilad Atzmon is banned from Hope not Hate.

224 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 17, 2014 4:23:36pm

re: #219 Gus

Gilad Atzmon actually might make Max seem reasonable.

Except I think Gilad Atzmon is just an attention queen and a mediocre jazz musician. If he really believed even a tiny percent of all the shit he spews, he would put a bullet in his own brain.

225 Bubblehead II  Apr 17, 2014 4:24:13pm

Hey Gus. A quick question for ya. How hard would it be to paste hypnotoads (animated) eyes onto GGs face so we can have a Hypnowad gif?

H/T to Jack Burton for the idea

226 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 17, 2014 4:24:51pm
227 CuriousLurker  Apr 17, 2014 4:28:12pm

re: #222 Gus

Gilad Atzmon

The “holocaust religion”? *blinks*

WTF does that even mean? Is it somehow a reference to what Finkelstein calls the “Holocaust industry”?

228 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 4:29:10pm

re: #227 CuriousLurker

The “holocaust religion”? *blinks*

WTF does that even mean? Is it somehow a reference to what Finkelstein calls the “Holocaust industry”?

Guess so. Religion being more foundational than industry.

229 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 4:30:56pm

re: #225 Bubblehead II

Hey Gus. A quick question for ya. How hard would it be to paste hypnotoads (animated) eyes onto GGs face so we can have a Hypnowad gif?

H/T to Jack Burton for the idea

Let me see…

230 Bubblehead II  Apr 17, 2014 4:31:06pm

re: #226 Pie-onist Overlord

MORON ASSHOLE:

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Asshole on the right has been tentatively IDed as one Eric Parker, described only as being from Central Idaho and captured in a Reuters picture by Jim Urquhart

231 Bubblehead II  Apr 17, 2014 4:31:32pm

re: #229 Gus

Let me see…

Thanks.

232 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 17, 2014 4:32:59pm

Mona is now linking to the stalker site as “proof” that LGF is a “hate site” WTF.

What a fucking idiot.

233 CuriousLurker  Apr 17, 2014 4:34:05pm

Okay, I guess no one has anything to say about Amos Oz, so I’m outta here.

Later, lizards.

234 thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2014 4:35:08pm

re: #232 Pie-onist Overlord

Mona is now linking to the stalker site as “proof” that LGF is a “hate site” WTF.

What a fucking idiot.

Well, she’s got somewhat of a point. We do hate us some stalkers.

235 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 4:37:17pm

re: #234 thedopefishlives

Well, she’s got somewhat of a point. We do hate us some stalkers.

Nope. I haven’t seen any calls here for death to the stalkers, or for reduced civil rights for internet obsessives.

For my part, I want their ideas to die out. If they want to regard that as hate, that is their mental malfunction.

236 Justanotherhuman  Apr 17, 2014 4:37:38pm

Crafts store Michaels confirms 3 million credit card numbers stolen in hack

theverge.com

“Back in January, arts and crafts retail giant Michaels announced that it was investigating a potential security breach, and now the company has confirmed that millions of credit cards may have been compromised by a cyberattack. The company says that the attack targeted its point-of-sale systems at a “varying number” of stores from May 8th, 2013 through January 27, 2014. Overall, some 2.6 million credit and debit cards may have been affected, which is about seven percent of cards used in its stores over that timeframe.” More

237 thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2014 4:38:33pm

re: #235 EPR-radar

Nope. I haven’t seen any calls here for death to the stalkers, or for reduced civil rights for internet obsessives.

For my part, I want their ideas to die out. If they want to regard that as hate, that is their mental malfunction.

I don’t think that’s ever been in doubt.

238 Kragar  Apr 17, 2014 4:38:59pm
239 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 4:39:41pm

240 thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2014 4:40:11pm

re: #239 Gus

I love you.

241 Kragar  Apr 17, 2014 4:40:21pm

Got another moron:

242 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 4:40:36pm

re: #240 thedopefishlives

I love you.

Hate site! //

243 thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2014 4:41:47pm

re: #242 Gus

Hate site! //

Yes. Feel the hate. Haters gonna hate.

244 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 4:42:48pm

245 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 4:45:58pm

re: #241 Kragar

Got another moron:

[Embedded content]

If Christopher Dorner‎ was white they could have added him to their butthurt list.

246 dog philosopher  Apr 17, 2014 4:49:09pm

Female Insect Uses Spiky Penis to Take Charge

i’ve had days like that myself

247 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 4:50:19pm

Too bad Greenwald’s no longer an attorney. Frazier Glenn Miller could use an attorney with experience in defending neo-Nazis. //

248 Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2014 4:51:00pm
249 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 4:54:27pm
250 Justanotherhuman  Apr 17, 2014 4:55:39pm

Well, this doesn’t look good.

‘X-Men’ director Bryan Singer accused of late-’90s sexual assault of teen boy

washingtonpost.com

251 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 17, 2014 4:57:18pm

re: #86 Ming

I agree with you. I disagreed with Ronald Reagan about many things, but when he withdrew the Marines from Beirut, I thought that was a sensible move for the sake of the Marines’ safety.

He should have withdrawn them before the bombing. It was pointless for us to have been there to begin with. But 20/20 and all.

252 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 4:57:48pm
253 Kragar  Apr 17, 2014 4:58:02pm
254 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 5:00:07pm

“All they can say Matt Hale did is express the view that Jews and blacks are inferior, he said. “There’s just no question that expressing those views is a core First Amendment activity.”

Further, Greenwald said, “I find that the people behind these lawsuits are truly so odious and repugnant, that creates its own motivation for me.”

255 lawhawk  Apr 17, 2014 5:00:17pm

re: #252 Gus

SPLC and the lawyers for teh victims of KKK/Neo-Nazi/white supremacists had the right idea. Sue them out of existence and take everything they own.

That Greenwald thinks that is somehow odious means that the SPLC’s strategy is doing the right thing.

256 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 5:02:38pm
257 Bubblehead II  Apr 17, 2014 5:07:25pm

re: #239 Gus

re: #244 Gus

YES! Thanks Gus.

258 JustMark  Apr 17, 2014 5:09:31pm

re: #176 jaunte

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So funny. I just saw someone on Facebook post a snarky comment about this and make reference the the whole China solar power deal, but when I refreshed and went back - it was mysteriously gone…

259 Bubblehead II  Apr 17, 2014 5:09:45pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

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Hmmm. and he died under “mysterious” circumstance did he not?

///

260 Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2014 5:09:53pm
261 b.d.  Apr 17, 2014 5:12:23pm

re: #260 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Now wait just one damn minute…..is that a vegetable I see hidden in there?

It’s a trap!

262 Targetpractice  Apr 17, 2014 5:12:47pm

re: #260 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Chicago has vowed vengeance.

263 Lidane  Apr 17, 2014 5:13:14pm

re: #253 Kragar

What are ya, some kinda commie? MOLON LABE! WULVEREENZ!

///////

264 Randall Gross  Apr 17, 2014 5:13:21pm

re: #252 Gus

[Embedded content]

Here’s the correct link, the DU link leads to someone’s “url grab” site that advertises casinos. Everyone should take a moment to book mark Rick Ross’s real site, it’s a trove of information.

culteducation.com

265 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 5:13:51pm
266 b.d.  Apr 17, 2014 5:14:30pm

re: #260 Charles Johnson

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I bet they would deny that that pizza has Canadian Bacon in it.

It’s a trap, Part 2.

267 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 5:15:09pm
268 Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2014 5:15:20pm

That tweet is one of the best reasons for Twitter to exist.

269 Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2014 5:16:48pm
270 Ming  Apr 17, 2014 5:17:16pm

re: #251 GlutenFreeJesus

He should have withdrawn them before the bombing. It was pointless for us to have been there to begin with. But 20/20 and all.

I agree with you.

271 b_sharp  Apr 17, 2014 5:17:53pm

re: #266 b.d.

I bet they would deny that that pizza has Canadian Bacon in it.

It’s a trap, Part 2.

All their pizzas can have Canadian bacon.
I love Boston Pizza.

272 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 5:18:39pm
273 Randall Gross  Apr 17, 2014 5:19:45pm

Here’s the post where GG was trying to help Matt Hale get a law license.

culteducation.com

274 lawhawk  Apr 17, 2014 5:20:43pm

re: #260 Charles Johnson

275 b.d.  Apr 17, 2014 5:20:57pm

re: #271 b_sharp

All their pizzas can have Canadian bacon.
I love Boston Pizza.

I didn’t think that they called Canadian bacon Canadian bacon in Canadia?

//

276 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 5:21:19pm

re: #274 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

It’s a pizza-cake not a pizza. //

277 Lidane  Apr 17, 2014 5:21:33pm

re: #274 lawhawk

It’s a pile of cheese and meat in a bread bowl!

/Jon Stewart

278 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 17, 2014 5:21:34pm
279 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 5:21:44pm

re: #255 lawhawk

SPLC and the lawyers for teh victims of KKK/Neo-Nazi/white supremacists had the right idea. Sue them out of existence and take everything they own.

That Greenwald thinks that is somehow odious means that the SPLC’s strategy is doing the right thing.

That logic is bad, in that it denies the stopped clock phenomenon.

A better argument is that what SPLC is doing doesn’t violate the 1st Amendment because it isn’t direct government action. Greenwald is free to make the argument that the courts should rule in favor of hateful speech, however using someone like Hale is a really poor example and Greenwald is flat out lying about Hale only being punished for free expressions protected by the 1st Amendment.

In May 1991, Hale and his brother allegedly threatened three African-Americans with a gun, and he was arrested for mob action. Since he refused to tell police where his brother was, Hale was also charged with felony obstruction of justice; he was convicted of obstruction, but won a reversal on appeal. In 1992, Hale attacked a security guard at a mall and was charged with criminal trespass, resisting arrest, aggravated battery and carrying a concealed weapon. For this attack, Hale was sentenced to 30 months probation and six months house arrest.

In late 2002, Hale filed a class action lawsuit against Judge Joan Lefkow, the United States district court judge presiding over his trademark case. Again in late 2002 and prior to his arrest, Hale denounced Lefkow in a news conference, claiming that she was biased against him because she was married to a Jewish man and had grandchildren who were biracial.

On January 8, 2003, Hale was arrested, charged with soliciting an undercover FBI informant to kill Lefkow.[11]

On February 28, 2005, Lefkow’s mother and husband were murdered at her home on Chicago’s North Side. Chicago Police revealed on March 10 that Bart Ross, a plaintiff in a medical malpractice case that Lefkow had dismissed, admitted to the murders in a suicide note written before shooting himself during a routine traffic stop in Wisconsin the previous evening. The murders and suicide had no connection to Hale or Creativity.[12]

On April 6, 2005, Hale was sentenced to a 40-year prison term for his conviction for attempting to solicit the murder of Lefkow.

Over his life Hale proved himself quite willing to back up his rhetoric with overt, violent criminality.

Basically Greenwald’s sin then is what he would become famous for later, and now, glossing over facts that undermined the “point” he was trying to make.

280 b_sharp  Apr 17, 2014 5:21:59pm

re: #275 b.d.

I didn’t think that they called Canadian bacon Canadian bacon in Canadia?

//

We call it Canadian bacon here in Canadia.

281 Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2014 5:22:03pm
282 bratwurst  Apr 17, 2014 5:22:06pm

Remember when the Christian Science Monitor was synonymous with good journalism?

283 Charles Johnson  Apr 17, 2014 5:24:18pm
284 b.d.  Apr 17, 2014 5:24:39pm

re: #277 Lidane

It’s a pile of cheese and meat in a bread bowl!

/Jon Stewart

They might as well grind up a few aspirins and sprinkle it around that pizza to reduce the heart attack threat.

/

285 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 17, 2014 5:25:26pm

re: #282 bratwurst

Remember when the Christian Science Monitor was synonymous with good journalism?

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Is this reminiscent of MTV or the History channel once having music and history respectively? ///

The only semi-good journalism anymore is NPR and even they are too dependent on corporate money and having to avoid offending the GOP in congress.

286 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 17, 2014 5:25:40pm

MOAR PRAYERS BUT NO REGULASHUNZ!!!!!!!!

287 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 5:26:04pm

re: #281 Charles Johnson

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That just made me burst out laughing. :D

288 thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2014 5:26:25pm

re: #281 Charles Johnson

ChenZhen, there’s a name I haven’t seen in a very long time. And not a single fuck was given.

289 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 17, 2014 5:27:50pm
290 Lidane  Apr 17, 2014 5:28:02pm

re: #287 Gus

That just made me burst out laughing. :D

Same here. The boyfriend asked what was so funny, but I just waved him off saying it was something on Twitter so I wouldn’t have to explain the context.

That was great. XD

291 Lidane  Apr 17, 2014 5:29:10pm

re: #288 thedopefishlives

292 thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2014 5:30:40pm

re: #291 Lidane

I always chuckle at that meme for some reason. I know it’s old and stupid, but I laugh.

293 bratwurst  Apr 17, 2014 5:30:53pm

Here is the least shocking story of the evening:

294 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 5:31:28pm

295 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 5:32:21pm

Greenwald would have argued that Henry II’s statement “Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest” was harmless, protected banter. In the Hale case he was deliberately ignoring Hale’s relationship with Smith and the clear motive involving Hale that almost certainly drove Smith to shoot up that particular bar.

Again, for the nth fucking time, context and intent matters.

296 Lidane  Apr 17, 2014 5:32:45pm

re: #294 Gus

297 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 5:33:38pm

re: #296 Lidane

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298 thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2014 5:34:09pm

I have started a cat thread.

My work here is done.

299 EPR-radar  Apr 17, 2014 5:35:36pm

re: #295 goddamnedfrank

Greenwald would have argued that Henry II’s statement “Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest” was harmless, protected banter. In the Hale case he was deliberately ignoring Hale’s relationship with Smith and the clear motive involving Hale that almost certainly drove Smith to shoot up that particular bar.

Again, for the nth fucking time, context and intent matters.

The strange thing is that the kind of ‘journalism’ GG engages in isn’t even good legal advocacy. It is damaging to one’s case to make weak-ass arguments that any competent adversary will blow out of the water.

300 thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2014 5:35:43pm

301 SteveMcGazi  Apr 17, 2014 5:35:43pm

re: #278 NJDhockeyfan

re: #289 NJDhockeyfan

re: #291 Lidane

re: #294 Gus

re: #296 Lidane

All right, I admit it. I shot JFK from the grassy troll
re: #297 Gus

302 SteveMcGazi  Apr 17, 2014 5:37:51pm

Maybe I shot the thread

303 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 17, 2014 5:37:56pm

When you unsubscribe from MIcrosoft’s spam marketing emails, they send you more spam emails asking if you’d like to resubscribe to their spam marketing emails.

Just think of all the “great content” you’ll be missing out on.

304 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 5:39:21pm

305 SteveMcGazi  Apr 17, 2014 5:39:39pm

You know a funny thing about Microsoft nixing XP help, I still get updates. I wonder how long that will last.

306 SteveMcGazi  Apr 17, 2014 5:40:24pm

re: #303 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I tried to click on the resubscribe now button for ya, buddy

307 calochortus  Apr 17, 2014 5:41:03pm

re: #306 SteveMcGazi

I tried to click on the resubscribe now button for ya, buddy

That’s what I love about LGF-the way we all try to help each other out. ;)

308 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 5:42:32pm

309 thedopefishlives  Apr 17, 2014 5:42:58pm

re: #308 Gus

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Famous last words.

310 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 17, 2014 5:44:02pm

Yahoo mail spam emails & banner ads got past the AdBlock filter. Here is a new filter:

yahoo.com###theAd

311 Political Atheist  Apr 17, 2014 5:44:31pm

re: #260 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

This, surely will turn Valdimir Putin around. far more powerful than sanctions or support for rebel factions. Pizza cake.

312 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 17, 2014 5:45:06pm

I forgot how to do that code block thingy.

313 Gus  Apr 17, 2014 5:45:45pm

314 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 17, 2014 5:47:27pm

FREAKING MORON:

315 jaunte  Apr 17, 2014 5:49:46pm

re: #314 Pie-onist Overlord

pictures the MSM does NOT ever want you to see

One stupid trick to get retweets.

316 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 17, 2014 5:55:04pm

BUT NO BIRTH CONTROL 4 U SLUTZ!!!!!!!

317 Romantic Heretic  Apr 17, 2014 5:55:27pm

re: #221 CuriousLurker

Thanks you for that. A very interesting and funny article.

I note he’s noticed something I’ve said here and elsewhere many times: fanatics have no sense of humour.

318 Romantic Heretic  Apr 17, 2014 6:07:43pm

re: #289 NJDhockeyfan

As I said last time I saw that pic, “I didn’t know tribbles grew that large.”

319 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 17, 2014 6:09:22pm

re: #303 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

When you unsubscribe from MIcrosoft’s spam marketing emails, they send you more spam emails asking if you’d like to resubscribe to their spam marketing emails.

Just think of all the “great content” you’ll be missing out on.

If you don’t reply in the affirmative, the emails start getting more ‘intimidating’. The next one will be on the order of “Nice little OS you’ve got on that computer, be a pity if anything were to happen to it.”

RBS

320 gwangung  Apr 17, 2014 7:23:10pm

re: #314 Pie-onist Overlord

FREAKING MORON:

[Embedded content]

They’d need 100 times the intelligence.

321 sauceruney  Apr 17, 2014 8:43:10pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

I thought Mona was one of Greenwald’s sock-puppets. She’s real?

322 Predaka  Apr 17, 2014 9:06:52pm

You have to wonder how many murders have been committed by Facebook, Twitter, and Facebook users.

323 goddamnedfrank  Apr 17, 2014 10:45:57pm

re: #322 Predaka

You have to wonder how many murders have been committed by Facebook, Twitter, and Facebook users.

Neither Twitter nor Facebook are built upon an ideology of hate.

324 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 8:43:11am

re: #322 Predaka

Duh predaka” means “Spirit of the Ancestors” in Serbian.

Are you Serbian?

325 Predaka  Apr 20, 2014 12:07:10pm

re: #324 wrenchwench

Sorry for not replying sooner, but no, not Serbian. My username is a combo of The Predator and MK’s Baraka.


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