This Is Bad: Heartbleed Attack Targets VPN Service

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Most of the coverage of the Heartbleed bug has focused on the security problems for websites, but there’s another avenue of attack now being exploited by hackers: the Virtual Private Network (VPN) systems used by many large and small businesses.

Security firm Mandiant reports that it is has observed a Heartbleed attack occurring “in the wild.” The attack targeted a Virtual Private Network service at an unnamed organization, gaining access to its internal corporate network — and it shows that hackers are finding the parts of the internet are least likely to have been updated to protect against Heartbleed.

The attack worked like this. When a user logs into a VPN service, it issues a “session token,” a temporary credential that is supposed to prove that a user has already been authenticated. By stealing the authentication token from the server’s memory, the attacker can impersonate the legitimate user and hijack her connection to the server, gaining access to the organization’s internal network.

This disastrous security hole in OpenSSL may have more effect on these kinds of semi-closed systems than on easily upgraded web servers, because the people who use VPNs and other types of networking applications and devices may not even realize they’re relying on the buggy versions of OpenSSL, and it may be difficult (or even impossible in some cases) to update the software.

But web servers are still a big problem as well; the Washington Post’s Brian Fung points out that we may be seeing some large scale disruptions of the Internet in the not too distant future: Heartbleed Is About to Get Worse, and It Will Slow the Internet to a Crawl.

Estimates of the severity of the bug’s damage have mounted almost daily since researchers announced the discovery of Heartbleed last week. What initially seemed like an inconvenient matter of changing passwords for protection now appears much more serious. New revelations suggest that skilled hackers can use the bug to create fake Web sites that mimic legitimate ones to trick consumers into handing over valuable personal information.

The sheer scale of the work required to fix this aspect of the bug — which makes it possible to steal the “security certificates” that verify that a Web site is authentic — could overwhelm the systems designed to keep the Internet trustworthy.

“Imagine if we found out all at once that all the doors everybody uses are all vulnerable — they can all get broken into,” said Jason Healey, a cybersecurity scholar at the Washington-based Atlantic Council. “The kinds of bad things it enables is largely limited only by the imagination of the bad guys.”

UPDATE at 4/18/14 6:22:46 pm

Please note! We got out in front of the rush to revoke/reissue our SSL certificates right away, the day the bug was announced, so Little Green Footballs is not vulnerable to the problem described in the Washington Post article.

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486 comments

1 GeneJockey  Apr 18, 2014 4:02:24pm

Well, shit.

2 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 4:06:43pm

That sound you hear is every corporate IT department having a collective spasm.

3 Varek Raith  Apr 18, 2014 4:07:47pm

I’m so glad I’m not in that business anymore.
What a nightmare.

4 Kragar  Apr 18, 2014 4:09:25pm

Well, as a security auditor, I know my skill set will be in demand

5 Kragar  Apr 18, 2014 4:09:56pm
6 Varek Raith  Apr 18, 2014 4:10:22pm

re: #5 Kragar

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Fake but Accurate!

7 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 4:10:48pm

re: #5 Kragar

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It does when you’re trying to claim that the founders would agree with your bullshit, numnuts.

8 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 4:10:58pm

re: #6 Varek Raith

Fake but Accurate!

Not intended to be a factual statement.

9 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2014 4:11:22pm

re: #1 GeneJockey

Well, shit.

That’s one way of putting it.

A couple of weeks ago I sent out a couple of proposals touting the great security provided by SSL (openssl in the Linux machines I use).

This is going to be a treat to explain.

10 Varek Raith  Apr 18, 2014 4:13:10pm

re: #9 b_sharp

That’s one way of putting it.

A couple of weeks ago I sent out a couple of proposals touting the great security provided by SSL (openssl in the Linux machines I use).

This is going to be a treat to explain.

Good luck.

11 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2014 4:14:50pm

” — could overwhelm the systems designed to keep the Internet trustworthy.”

Might be the root of a philosophical problem.

12 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 4:16:09pm

Sounds ominous. I hate to even say this because it sounds so damned conspiratorial, but I’ve never trusted the “security” of the internet, even while I use it.

13 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2014 4:17:15pm

re: #12 Justanotherhuman

Sounds ominous. I hate to even say this because it sounds so damned conspiratorial, but I’ve never trusted the “security” of the internet, even while I use it.

Sit back and enjoy the kittens.

14 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 4:19:01pm

re: #5 Kragar

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15 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 4:20:09pm

re: #13 Decatur Deb

Sit back and enjoy the kittens.

Hey man. This was weird.

16 Snarknado!  Apr 18, 2014 4:20:44pm

re: #9 b_sharp

Updinged in sympathy.

17 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 4:21:09pm

Ignorant monsters. Her 3 other kids are much better off without her. And without that “boyfriend”, too. I hope they are treated well by those who wind up caring for them.

Mom who killed son, 4, because she thought he was gay sentenced to minimum of 25 years

katu.com

18 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 18, 2014 4:21:41pm

Wingnuts just clings to their GUNZ & FAKE QUOTES.

19 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 4:22:33pm
20 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2014 4:24:02pm

re: #10 Varek Raith

Good luck.

I’ll be shouting I USE modSSL, I USE modSSL!
and
THEY’LL FIX openSSL, THEY’LL FIX IT!

21 abolitionist  Apr 18, 2014 4:26:10pm

More dimensions of hurt are related to revocations of Certs.

Heartbleed certificate revocation tsunami yet to arrive

Excerpt:

Even if you revoke your certificate, you may still be vulnerable to impersonation

However, even if all of the affected certificates were to be revoked, contemporary web browser software handles certificate revocation poorly.

22 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2014 4:28:06pm

re: #21 abolitionist

More dimensions of hurt are related to revocations of Certs.

Heartbleed certificate revocation tsunami yet to arrive

Excerpt:
Even if you revoke your certificate, you may still be vulnerable to impersonation

However, even if all of the affected certificates were to be revoked, contemporary web browser software handles certificate revocation poorly.

Now I have to redo certs on 5 servers.
Great.

Funny, I’ve heard nothing from Go Daddy.

Edit: I’m more concerned with email certs, especially Zarafa.

23 Snarknado!  Apr 18, 2014 4:29:00pm

So now some advice for the security-challenged: I was looking into setting up a vpn anyway, since I’ll have to use public places for access in the next few months. Any suggestions? Or should I just turn off all devices and hide under my bed?

24 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 4:29:14pm
25 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 4:30:05pm

re: #24 Lidane

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Again?

26 Snarknado!  Apr 18, 2014 4:30:17pm

re: #24 Lidane

This is their version of defending the Constitution, right?

27 Varek Raith  Apr 18, 2014 4:33:10pm

re: #26 Snarknado!

This is their version of defending the Constitution, right?

Yes, it is called the ‘Constantion’.

28 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 4:40:07pm

re: #24 Lidane

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Haha, good luck with that, “Tea Party Patriots”. Judson Phillips—isn’t he the same thief that had a run in with some of his mates over a conference a few years back and some missing money?

I’m surprised more of these types aren’t serving time.

29 jaunte  Apr 18, 2014 4:43:15pm

“Soviet propaganda posters!”

“While some conservative bloggers took a tongue-in-cheek approach to the photo, The Heritage Foundation actually released a deadly-serious statement condemning Carney. What none of these folks have explained is that the posters in question are World War II recruitment posters, recruiting soldiers to fight the Nazis, and women to work in factories while men fought the Nazis. Why all of these patriots love Nazis so much is anyone’s guess.”

30 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 4:44:57pm

re: #29 jaunte

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“Soviet propaganda posters!”

Every day I think the Heritage Foundation can’t sink any lower and Jim Deminted and co prove me wrong.

31 dog philosopher  Apr 18, 2014 4:45:12pm

re: #5 Kragar

Just because it’s misattributed does not make the meaning behind it wrong

because it turns out to be mis-attributed means it’s just some hot air that escaped your mouth, that’s what it means

32 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 18, 2014 4:46:10pm

Nom nom nom… Just tried a variation on my way of cooking basic wings. Sectioned them out, good sprinkle of my seasoned salt mix, but I had the oven on “Inferno” temp (500 Degrees). 25 minutes, take them out, flip them on the broiler pan, another 10 minutes, then a toss in the sauce.

Rendered out a lot of the fat, nice skin, perfectly cooked without being dry. I think I have a new standard.

RBS

33 dog philosopher  Apr 18, 2014 4:47:05pm

re: #24 Lidane

Tea Party group promoting “Operation American Spring” rally that calls for an anti-Obama coup

they think that obama is violating the constitution because they really think the constitution is basically the articles of confederation and therefore the federal gummint has no power over the states

34 goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2014 4:50:04pm

Another #BundyRanch child who’s “scared” and therefore is sure that most other people are too. Earlier he openly admits his side is just “looking for a reason.” Totally nihilistic, all they care about is how they can shape appearances, damn the facts.

35 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 18, 2014 4:51:59pm

re: #33 dog philosopher

they think that obama is violating the constitution because they really think the constitution is basically the articles of confederation and therefore the federal gummint has no power over the states

This is that insanity de jour where they think that a million patriots will show up and refuse to leave until Obama (among others) are impeached. I also seem to recall that the organization structure was based on “there are no leaders or permits, so we can’t be stopped”.

Without organization, who’s in charge of the porta-potties and the Rascal Recharge Stations?

RBS

36 goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2014 4:52:35pm

re: #24 Lidane

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I like the cognitive dissonance of simultaneously thinking most people are on their side but that winning an election is somehow a bridge too far.

37 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 4:53:04pm

re: #29 jaunte

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“Soviet propaganda posters!”

That’s disgusting. I like Carney a lot, plus, he looks really young, yet I know he’s 48, hard for me to believe.

38 Dr Lizardo  Apr 18, 2014 4:54:00pm

re: #27 Varek Raith

Yes, it is called the ‘Constantion’.

More like “Constipation”, as in the mental variety.

39 abolitionist  Apr 18, 2014 4:54:18pm

Any lizards hear of Moxie Marlinspike? I think you likely will. Last item at his personal website, under Projects:

TACK
Trust Assertions For Certificate Keys: An internet draft for a dynamically activated public key pinning framework that provides a layer of indirection away from Certificate Authorities, but is fully backwards compatible with existing CA certificates, and doesn’t require sites to modify their existing certificate chains.

40 Stanley Sea  Apr 18, 2014 4:55:48pm

re: #29 jaunte

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“Soviet propaganda posters!”

The stupidity of the rwnj’s is staggering.

41 dog philosopher  Apr 18, 2014 5:00:18pm

re: #11 Decatur Deb

” — could overwhelm the systems designed to keep the Internet trustworthy.”

internet “trustworthy”???

42 jaunte  Apr 18, 2014 5:02:01pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

Remember Communist-Christmas-Ornament-Gate?

43 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 5:02:29pm

re: #42 jaunte

Remember Communist-Christmas-Ornament-Gate?

Yes, one of the many fauxrages.

44 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 5:04:07pm

University president’s comments on race stir controversy

“How do we make sure that in future years ‘we are not as white as we are today?’”

“I think he’s being very insensitive to how people are perceived based on the color of their skin,” said Caleb Bonham, editor-in-chief of campusreform.org, a watchdog media organization for [white] conservative college students.

White man dismayed by being referred to as ‘white’. I hope he burns a little in the weekend sun. If they have any this year in Bellingham.

45 dog philosopher  Apr 18, 2014 5:04:38pm

Just because it’s misattributed does not make the meaning behind it wrong

“beware of anybody who sets me up as an ideal and an example, because i never had any fucking idea what i was doing, so you can be sure they are just hypocrites and liars”

- ronald wilson reagan

46 dog philosopher  Apr 18, 2014 5:06:48pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

Yes, one of the many fauxrages.

Census-Bureau-Insurance-Survey-Gate Fails To Penetrate General Awareness Because Of Too Many Words In The Name, Insurance Is Boring, And Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

47 jaunte  Apr 18, 2014 5:07:20pm
48 HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2014 5:08:31pm

re: #47 jaunte

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Shit sometimes people get killed on warrants but Butthead Bundy isn’t a minority so he had nothing to worry about.

49 jaunte  Apr 18, 2014 5:08:47pm

This NV state rep Michele Fiore is a real lamebrain.

50 Stanley Sea  Apr 18, 2014 5:10:36pm

Time for a cat vid

Youtube Video

51 Stanley Sea  Apr 18, 2014 5:11:03pm

re: #42 jaunte

Remember Communist-Christmas-Ornament-Gate?

MAO MAO

52 Skip Intro  Apr 18, 2014 5:15:54pm

Take five minutes and be amazed.

All shot with either a Canon 5DII or 5DIII.

Vimeo

Locations covered by the time-lapse:

Dokdo island. 2013 : the eastern end of Korea
Baengnyeongdo island. 2011 : the western end of Korea. border between North and South Korea
Mount Halla. 2011 : the southen end of Korea
Mount Baekdu. 2010 : the north of Korea. border between China and North Korea
Mount Kilimanjaro, Tanzania. 2010 : near equator
Uluru, Australia. 2010 : the southern hemisphere
Pilbara, Australia. 2012 : the southern hemisphere
Yellowknife, Canada. 2009-2013 : near polar regions

53 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 5:17:35pm

re: #49 jaunte

This NV state rep Michele Fiore is a real lamebrain.

You betcha.

qpicture.com

54 goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2014 5:17:39pm

re: #5 Kragar

“Just because it’s misattributed does not make the meaning behind it wrong.”

“Who you finna try?”
-Socrates

55 jaunte  Apr 18, 2014 5:19:38pm

re: #53 Justanotherhuman

Ackk!

56 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 5:21:35pm

re: #55 jaunte

Ackk!

That may not be her, but another woman, but I swear, they look like twins.

votefiore.com

57 jaunte  Apr 18, 2014 5:23:24pm

re: #56 Justanotherhuman

She’s tweeting photos of dead calves on the Bundy ranch. Cut down in the prime of life before they could be turned into hamburger.

58 goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2014 5:23:52pm

Dont’ you get it. I’m scared, everybody’s scared. I carry every day. People are looking for an excuse. This country is a powder keg. Obama said he’s got a pen!

My penis hurts!

It HURTS SO MUCH!!!

59 goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2014 5:25:45pm

Something something MITCH MCCONNELL!

60 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2014 5:26:38pm

re: #57 jaunte

She’s tweeting photos of dead calves on the Bundy ranch. Cut down in the prime of life before they could be turned into hamburger.

Does she have her guns w/her? She’s obsessed with them.

nevadanewsbureau.com

61 jaunte  Apr 18, 2014 5:28:32pm

re: #60 Justanotherhuman

I didn’t see any, but she may have.

62 thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2014 5:32:25pm

What’s going on now? Somebody said hamburger and I came as quickly as I could.

63 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 5:33:51pm

re: #57 jaunte

She’s tweeting photos of dead calves on the Bundy ranch. Cut down in the prime of life before they could be turned into hamburger.

I only see the one photo of a dead bovine, and it has horns. Sure ain’t this year’s calf. Pretty fat looking too, for something off of that arid range.

64 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2014 5:34:15pm

Well since this is an internet security thread, this shouldn’t be off topic. I have a small home adhoc network. 4 hardwired computers (fire walled) and virus protected but also a wireless AP (also fire walled and SSID broadcast turned off) using WPA2 encryption for various devices.

I monitor the AP for possible intrusions. Currently using Nirsoft Network Watcher. Only problem, it doesn’t log any connection or attempts to connect. Can anybody suggest a good network monitoring program (preferably freeware) that does log all wireless connections or attempts to connect?

Thanks

65 Dark_Falcon  Apr 18, 2014 5:34:42pm

re: #57 jaunte

She’s tweeting photos of dead calves on the Bundy ranch. Cut down in the prime of life before they could be turned into hamburger.

If she cares about the calves so much, why didn’t she tell their deadbeat owner to pay the BLM the money he owed them?

Edited

66 Dark_Falcon  Apr 18, 2014 5:35:21pm

re: #62 thedopefishlives

What’s going on now? Somebody said hamburger and I came as quickly as I could.

“swim, swim, hungry.”

67 thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2014 5:36:34pm

re: #64 Bubblehead II

Well since this is an internet security thread, this shouldn’t be off topic. I have a small home adhoc network. 4 hardwired computers (fire walled) and virus protected but also a wireless AP (also fire walled and SSID broadcast turned off) using WPA2 encryption for various devices.

I monitor the AP for possible intrusions. Currently using Nirsoft Network Watcher. Only problem, it doesn’t log any connection or attempts to connect. Can anybody suggest a good network monitoring program (preferably freeware) that does log all wireless connections or attempts to connect?

Thanks

Generally, for logging wireless connection attempts, your router’s firmware package should be able to do that. If it can’t, you may be able to install DD-WRT or OpenWRT on your router; they are Linux distributions that can run router/wireless hardware. They will certainly be able to log the wireless connection for you.

68 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 5:41:07pm

OK, I watched a video about the dead cattle, and I think the photo that woman tweeted is of a bull that was shot for being dangerous. Bundy bragged about his dangerous bulls, IIRC.

69 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2014 5:42:18pm

re: #67 thedopefishlives

Using a Qwest Actiontec M1000. See no logging option or option to upload software.

70 thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2014 5:43:28pm

re: #69 Bubblehead II

Using a Qwest Actiontec M1000. See no logging option or option to upload software.

Hmm. Unfortunately, there’s no way that I’m aware of to be able to monitor connections to your network from anywhere other than the source of said network, which would be the AP. If it doesn’t have a firmware upgrade option, it may still be possible to install one of the Linux distros, but it also dramatically increases your chances of bricking it if you stuff up the install.

71 Dark_Falcon  Apr 18, 2014 5:44:10pm

re: #68 wrenchwench

OK, I watched a video about the dead cattle, and I think the photo that woman tweeted is of a bull that was shot for being dangerous. Bundy bragged about his dangerous bulls, IIRC.

Even more dangerous than his bulls is his bullshit.

72 thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2014 5:47:33pm

Which reminds me, it’s been way too long since I’ve done this, so I’m upgrading my internal VPN server. I know it uses OpenSSL and I should’ve upgraded it before now, but it’s not exactly sensitive, so I haven’t worried about it too much.

73 Dark_Falcon  Apr 18, 2014 5:49:22pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Even more dangerous than his bulls is his bullshit.

I also think that in keeping ill-temped bulls around, Clive Bundy might be emphasizing both they are he being ‘entire males’. As in: “Unlike those wimps back east who artificially inseminate their cows, I breed my cattle the natural way. I’m not afraid of dealing with an animal with balls!”

74 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2014 5:51:30pm

Please note! We got out in front of the rush to revoke/reissue SSL certificates right away, the day the bug was announced, so we’re not vulnerable to the problem described in the Washington Post article.

75 goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2014 5:52:44pm

And finally, the vague tough guy threat.

76 thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2014 5:54:41pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

And finally, the vague tough guy threat.

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I have to wonder exactly how some of these Internet tough guys would really fare in a streetfight. Against anybody, not necessarily against me or you.

77 nines09  Apr 18, 2014 5:58:39pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

Internet Kung Fu. Tear your lungs out from across time and space. Bad Mofo.

78 Dark_Falcon  Apr 18, 2014 5:59:25pm

re: #76 thedopefishlives

I have to wonder exactly how some of these Internet tough guys would really fare in a streetfight. Against anybody, not necessarily against me or you.

I think they’d fare worse against Frank than most people. He’s hard-nosed and decisive, and that counts for a lot in a fight.

79 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2014 6:00:37pm

But if the rest of the Internet goes down because everybody suddenly wants new SSL certificates, all bets are off.

80 goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2014 6:01:00pm
81 thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2014 6:02:06pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

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*snort*

And with that, you owe me a new keyboard.

82 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 18, 2014 6:02:40pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

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OMFG!!!! You win the internetz tonight… You will receive a case of “Rice-A-Roni… The San Francisco treat” as your prize.

RBS

83 goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2014 6:02:59pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

I think they’d fare worse against Frank than most people. He’s hard-nosed and decisive, and that counts for a lot in a fight.

I don’t fight. Always found an easy way not to.

84 EPR-radar  Apr 18, 2014 6:03:17pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

And here I thought Twitter was useless. Bravo.

85 wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2014 6:05:06pm

Later, lizards.

86 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 6:05:32pm
87 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2014 6:07:14pm

re: #70 thedopefishlives

Hmm. Unfortunately, there’s no way that I’m aware of to be able to monitor connections to your network from anywhere other than the source of said network, which would be the AP. If it doesn’t have a firmware upgrade option, it may still be possible to install one of the Linux distros, but it also dramatically increases your chances of bricking it if you stuff up the install.

Well that’s just it. The NirSoft (nirsoft.net) program does monitor both wireless and hardwired connections and does a good job of it. It identifies MAC address, Company that made the NIC and Computer name. It just doesn’t log it. It’s Freeware and I suppose I could make a donation and a suggestion that the author to add a logging feature. But I want something now.

Long story short. Home wireless (wep) was breached. Computers seized. Nothing found, but took 2 years to get them back. Now spare parts. Don’t want a repeat. Want logs showing when access was gained.

88 thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2014 6:09:22pm

re: #87 Bubblehead II

How does it report to you? Maybe there’s a way to capture that information and log it yourself?

89 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 6:12:32pm
90 Political Atheist  Apr 18, 2014 6:14:16pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

That’s great, and you do really good work with our features. This place is a grand way to hang out and do the news. I wish I could understand the code in here. Especially whilst re doing the refinery website.

You warned us the mainstream media was slow to get this. Now my boss saw some headlines. On the practical side at work I see Heartbleed as a real confidence breaker. I’m shelving VPN and remote operation of an R&D burn out kiln at our factory for now. It’s all wired up for Podcasting and I was thinking about a high tech cell that could be run in part from the office. Not that I lost all trust in the system but presenting the idea of spending money on it at this time to my boss…. Looks like a moment for patience.

Pioneers get the arrows settlers get the farms.

91 goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2014 6:14:47pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

I don’t fight. Always found an easy way not to.

Part of it is just physical, I’m big enough and broad shouldered enough that few people have ever challenged me physically. Another part is not being afraid to take a punch, there are far worse things in this world that. Once you’re not afraid to take a punch, you don’t flinch, you carry yourself in a way that discourages another chunk of potential belligerents. The last part is avoidance, knowing when to walk away. Make smart decisions, being backed into a corner is almost always a mindset, not reality.

92 Stanley Sea  Apr 18, 2014 6:15:20pm
93 EPR-radar  Apr 18, 2014 6:16:23pm

OT, but the irony is amazing.

NV constitution, article 1, section 2: leg.state.nv.us

Sec 2.  Purpose of government; paramount allegiance to United States. All political power is inherent in the people[.] Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair[,] subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existance [existence], and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.

We can add this to the list of applicable law Cliven Bundy and his stupid supporters would prefer to forget existed.

94 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 6:16:28pm
95 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 6:22:17pm
96 freetoken  Apr 18, 2014 6:27:00pm

Still on the cloning topic… yesterday I posted about some outlets going on about some big cloning breakthrough but I couldn’t determine if it was real new news.

Well, io9, which is pretty low on my list of trusted sources, also jumps in:

Researchers Clone Stem Cells From Human Adults

But io9 also links to this year old paper in Cell: cell.com

I don’t know who is trying to start this as a piece of new news, but it illustrates how so much of the “news” outlets on the net really are just copying each other without any thought.

Similar thing has been happening on twitter the past couple of days. Countless people have been tweeting a Bart Ehrman appearance on Colbert, as if it was something new. It’s from 2009, and Ehrman is now a couple of books past the one being plugged in that Colbert piece. It turns out some Christian outlet posted it as some sort of headline, trying to say that Colbert’s character was making a valid point (amazingly), then all the faithful started to tweet that as true.

Sigh.

97 Dark_Falcon  Apr 18, 2014 6:28:07pm

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

Part of it is just physical, I’m big enough and broad shouldered enough that few people have ever challenged me physically. Another part is not being afraid to take a punch, there are far worse things in this world that. Once you’re not afraid to take a punch, you don’t flinch, you carry yourself in a way that discourages another chunk of potential belligerents. The last part is avoidance, knowing when to walk away. Make smart decisions, being backed into a corner is almost always a mindset, not reality.

And thus my point is made. You don’t have to fight in large part because you are ready to fight.

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

98 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2014 6:29:11pm

re: #88 thedopefishlives

How does it report to you? Maybe there’s a way to capture that information and log it yourself?

A beep when a new device is detected. Then do a view (tab) HTML report export (option). Not real time logging unless you are there..

99 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 6:31:05pm

Jeremy Duns ‏still drinking the Snowden Koolaid today.

100 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2014 6:33:28pm

re: #85 wrenchwench

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Later, lizards.

Now, that is an old case.

101 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2014 6:33:46pm

You know that weird feeling when someone you thought you sorta knew goes way off the rails?

Yeah, that feeling.

102 freetoken  Apr 18, 2014 6:34:01pm

Also very, very low on my list of worthwhile sites is the Science 2.0 website, whose proprietor is a Glenn Beck fan.

Today’s editorial from that site:

Holistic Conservation: Forget 20th Century Claims About People And Species Extinction

[…]

In Nevada, the Federal government used assault weapons and special operations armor against American citizens to protect land supposedly at risk due to man; in that case, a few hundred cows they claimed were going to kill off a local turtle and set off a domino effect of ecological doom. How many nuclear bomb tests were done in Nevada? Over 1,000, so the idea that a few cows was going to ruin the environment was not based on evidence, it was based on Senator Harry Reid having an interest in putting a solar facility there.

[…]

A lot of idiocy flies under the cloak of “science”.

“Science” is being used as a fashion statement, as a rallying cry, and as a camouflage for some really stupid stuff out there on the internet.

103 thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2014 6:34:03pm

re: #98 Bubblehead II

A beep when a new device is detected.

Tape recorder.///

104 thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2014 6:34:54pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

You know that weird feeling when someone you thought you sorta knew goes way off the rails?

Yeah, that feeling.

I get the feeling you’ve gotten that feeling disturbingly often since your public break with the evil Muslim-hating right.

105 goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2014 6:35:13pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

And thus my point is made. You don’t have to fight in large part because you are ready to fight.

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Not really. I’m ready to be hit. It would take pretty extraordinary circumstances for me to want to strike back. I’m not going to jail over some stupid shit.

106 thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2014 6:37:39pm

re: #105 goddamnedfrank

Not really. I’m ready to be hit. It would take pretty extraordinary circumstances for me to want to strike back. I’m not going to jail over some stupid shit.

My wife reminded me of the importance of this when I went on a retreat with a known provocateur. She told me, “I know you’ll want to punch his lights out, but he’s not worth going to jail over.”

107 abolitionist  Apr 18, 2014 6:41:25pm

re: #98 Bubblehead II

A beep when a new device is detected.

Something you might find useful:
Network Monitor Gadget by Sam Tucker
Features include options for custom sounds for announcing when a device joins/leaves your network, for notification by email, and option for logging. Free, for Vista/W7.

108 freetoken  Apr 18, 2014 6:41:31pm

I’m pretty sure the flood of cloning news stories have confused that year old paper on cloning with this new one about using adult skin cells for therapeutic use, which is new:

Human Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer Using Adult Cells

Derivation of patient-specific human pluripotent stem cells via somatic cell nuclear transfer (SCNT) has the potential for applications in a range of therapeutic contexts. However, successful SCNT with human cells has proved challenging to achieve, and thus far has only been reported with fetal or infant somatic cells. In this study, we describe the application of a recently developed methodology for the generation of human ESCs via SCNT using dermal fibroblasts from 35- and 75-year-old males. Our study therefore demonstrates the applicability of SCNT for adult human cells and supports further investigation of SCNT as a strategy for regenerative medicine.

109 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2014 6:43:07pm

re: #106 thedopefishlives

My wife reminded me of the importance of this when I went on a retreat with a known provocateur. She told me, “I know you’ll want to punch his lights out, but he’s not worth going to jail over.”

My wife keeps me from confronting idiot drivers all the time.

Spoil sport.

110 thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2014 6:45:58pm

re: #109 b_sharp

My wife keeps me from confronting idiot drivers all the time.

Spoil sport.

My wife tries. She doesn’t always succeed.

111 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2014 6:47:35pm

re: #110 thedopefishlives

My wife tries. She doesn’t always succeed.

I’m getting too old for that shit. I’m going to get a shit kicking one of these days.

She knows better than I do.

112 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2014 6:48:31pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

You know that weird feeling when someone you thought you sorta knew goes way off the rails?

Yeah, that feeling.

Little Sister. 9/11-WTC was an inside job. Still can’t convince her otherwise.

Facts don’t matter.

113 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2014 6:50:08pm

re: #107 abolitionist

Something you might find useful:
Network Monitor Gadget by Sam Tucker
Features include options for custom sounds for announcing when a device joins/leaves your network, for notification by email, and option for logging. Free, for Vista/W7.

Thanks.

114 Kragar  Apr 18, 2014 6:50:56pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

You know that weird feeling when someone you thought you sorta knew goes way off the rails?

Yeah, that feeling.

Co-worker, certified in computer security, is a YEC, worries about chemtrails and thinks he needs an assault rifle to defend himself from roving bands of marauders prowling the streets of suburban San Diego.

115 Stanley Sea  Apr 18, 2014 6:51:37pm

Watching excellent documentary about the horrific “amateur” sports in College.

press.epixhd.com

117 freetoken  Apr 18, 2014 6:54:52pm
118 freetoken  Apr 18, 2014 6:55:27pm

re: #116 Stanley Sea

The move by Northwestern U. athletes to form a union is also upsetting lots of carts.

119 Stanley Sea  Apr 18, 2014 6:55:48pm

re: #118 freetoken

The move by Northwestern U. athletes to form a union is also upsetting lots of carts.

Look up Taylor Branch.

120 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2014 6:57:47pm

The week after the 9/11 attacks I ran into a musician friend who said to me, “Come on, you know the Jews did it.”

Yeah, that feeling.

121 Stanley Sea  Apr 18, 2014 6:59:17pm

Student-Athlete: If you are a 4.0 student and don’t perform on the field, your contract is terminated.

122 Timothy Watson  Apr 18, 2014 7:00:05pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

You know that weird feeling when someone you thought you sorta knew goes way off the rails?

Yeah, that feeling.

Pretty much every conservative I used to know, a bunch of serious, thoughtful people, started to go batshit crazy circa 2011.

123 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 7:01:56pm

Edward Snowden continuing to save the world.

//

124 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 7:02:53pm

With courage and principles…

Also, integrity.

125 Stanley Sea  Apr 18, 2014 7:03:27pm

Kent Waldrep TCU

Look him up.

Damn

126 thedopefishlives  Apr 18, 2014 7:04:09pm

re: #112 Bubblehead II

Little Sister. 9/11-WTC was an inside job. Still can’t convince her otherwise.

Facts don’t matter.

Ouch. That one hurts.

127 TedStriker  Apr 18, 2014 7:04:09pm

re: #121 Stanley Sea

Student-Athlete: If you are a 4.0 student and don’t perform on the field, your contract is terminated.

Pretty much.

Of course, if a college athlete can carry a 4.0 in majors other than Underwater Basket Weaving or P.E., then they would do well to go to a college that tends to value the “student” in “student-athlete” more, like the Ivy League schools or Vanderbilt (the perpetual punching bag in SEC football, but they tend to graduate many more of their athletes than almost any other school in the conference).

128 Timothy Watson  Apr 18, 2014 7:07:52pm

re: #127 TedStriker

Pretty much.

Of course, if a college athlete can carry a 4.0 in majors other than Underwater Basket Weaving or P.E., then they would do well to go to a college that tends to value the “student” in “student-athlete” more, like the Ivy League schools or Vanderbilt (the perpetual SEC punching bag in football, but they graduate more of their athletes than almost any other SEC school).

The problem is that Ivy League schools can’t give athletic scholarships per their conference rules. So, if you have a 4.0 GPA but are poor or middle class (and a 4.0 GPA probably won’t even get you into a Ivy League school nowadays), what’s the best opportunity for you to get a college education?

129 Kragar  Apr 18, 2014 7:09:57pm
130 Lidane  Apr 18, 2014 7:11:39pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

Yeah, I know that feeling. It happened to me when one of my uncles outed himself as a birther. Ugh.

131 freetoken  Apr 18, 2014 7:16:10pm

So, if Bundy and friends can do whatever they wish in Nevada because, well, God gave them the land and the US government, what about the Jeffs followers in TX?

Texas seizes polygamist group’s secluded ranch

[…]

The Texas Department of Public Safety said its agents took possession of the Yearning For Zion Ranch near Eldorado. In a statement, DPS said only eight adults were still living on the West Texas property and agreed to leave after meeting with agents. DPS said authorities helped them vacate the ranch and take an inventory.

Jeffs is serving life in prison after being convicted in 2011 of sexually assaulting two girls he took as child brides. The ranch was owned by his Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, a radical offshoot of mainstream Mormonism whose roughly 10,000 followers believe polygamy brings exaltation in heaven. They see Jeffs as God’s spokesman on earth.

[…]

132 kirkspencer  Apr 18, 2014 7:21:55pm

re: #129 Kragar

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What always amuses me about this battle is, well, there’s this and there’s Salarnis.

Here we have posturing and a loss that delayed the Persians by seven days at the most. Because of the loss, the battle that could have been a strategic victory (though tactical draw) saw the Greeks withdraw. (Artemisium)

Salarnis saw the outnumbered combined Greek navy win.

133 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 7:25:19pm
134 Dark_Falcon  Apr 18, 2014 7:28:32pm

re: #129 Kragar

Don’t diss Leonidas. His plan at Thermopylae was sound, since the Greeks could face the Persian army only at places that limited the massive Persian numerical advantage. So he chose just such a position and defended it.

Moreover, while the Persian invasion of Greece in 480 BC was ultimately halted by a major Greek victory at Salamis, the Greeks could not have counted on that sort of devastating win at the outset of the campaign. Another reason Leonidas decided on a defensive stand at Thermopylae was that the other (and more likely) way the coalition of Greek cities could survive would be for the Persians to run out of supplies. Xerxes had at least 120,000 men under his command and an army that huge could not afford to the stay in once place for long. Thus Xerxes desperation to break through at Thermopylae: His army needed to either push on or give up. as it would strip the area bare if stayed there too long.

135 Kragar  Apr 18, 2014 7:30:17pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Don’t diss Leonidas. His plan at Thermopylae was sound, since the Greeks could face the Persian army only at places that limited the massive Persian numerical advantage. So he chose just such a position and defended it.

Moreover, while the Persian invasion of Greece in 480 BC was ultimately halted by a major Greek victory at Salamis, the Greeks could not have counted on that sort of devastating win at the outset of the campaign. Another reason Leonidas decided on a defensive stand at Thermopylae was that the other (and more likely) way the coalition of Greek cities could survive would be for the Persians to run out of supplies. Xerxes had at least 120,000 men under his command and an army that huge could not afford to the stay in once place for long. Thus Xerxes desperation to break through at Thermopylae: His army needed to either push on or give up. as it would strip the area bare if stayed there too long.

Except the Libertarians don’t put that much thought into it.

136 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 7:39:00pm

You know what that stock photo above looks like?

137 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2014 7:39:34pm

re: #126 thedopefishlives

Ouch. That one hurts.

Tell me about it. She also buys into chemtrails.

Love her dearly, but sometimes want to severely Gibs/headdesk her.

138 kirkspencer  Apr 18, 2014 7:40:20pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Don’t diss Leonidas. His plan at Thermopylae was sound, since the Greeks could face the Persian army only at places that limited the massive Persian numerical advantage. So he chose just such a position and defended it.

Moreover, while the Persian invasion of Greece in 480 BC was ultimately halted by a major Greek victory at Salamis, the Greeks could not have counted on that sort of devastating win at the outset of the campaign. Another reason Leonidas decided on a defensive stand at Thermopylae was that the other (and more likely) way the coalition of Greek cities could survive would be for the Persians to run out of supplies. Xerxes had at least 120,000 men under his command and an army that huge could not afford to the stay in once place for long. Thus Xerxes desperation to break through at Thermopylae: His army needed to either push on or give up. as it would strip the area bare if stayed there too long.

It was strategically brilliant. It was tactically mediocre.

Had they collapsed the hillsides and built a wall at the end of the channel they’d have done better. Because when they got flanked by a roughly equal sized force that used a goat track they’d have been able to withdraw. it would have taken the Persians another week minimum, to clear the road. Forage parties ranging in front of the road (to keep the Persians fed) could be met on equal or better terms by Spartans and other Greeks.

139 austin_blue  Apr 18, 2014 7:41:51pm

Well, it’s Reggae Fest in Austin, and all I have to do is open the door to the back porch and it’s live. The last band did the entire Dark Side of the Moon to a dub beat.

It was excellent.

140 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 7:45:33pm
141 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 7:45:53pm
142 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 7:46:29pm

“Snowden first met with our diplomats while in Hong Kong…” — Vladamir Putin

143 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2014 7:49:19pm

Night Lizards. Sleep well and may the Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours.

144 Dire Straits  Apr 18, 2014 7:49:33pm

I cannot stand that pertpetual look of smugness on Snowden’s face.

145 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 18, 2014 7:52:20pm

re: #143 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. Sleep well and may the Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours.

I’m about outta here myself. Got a few chores and tasks to take care of, then off to bed.

RBS

146 Dire Straits  Apr 18, 2014 7:53:49pm

I hope Snowden enjoyed the Russian winter as much as Napoleon’s and Hitler’s troops did.

147 Dark_Falcon  Apr 18, 2014 7:57:10pm

re: #144 Dire Straits

I cannot stand that perpetual look of smugness on Snowden’s face.

Quite Concur.

148 Ming  Apr 18, 2014 8:02:35pm

re: #133 Gus

Priceless!

149 austin_blue  Apr 18, 2014 8:05:50pm

re: #144 Dire Straits

I cannot stand that pertpetual look of smugness on Snowden’s face.

Little Eddie has shot his wad. He no longer controls the data he stole. He is now just a geopolitical pawn, presently residing in Russia. Putin will use him as long as it is advantageous. When he’s worn out his welcome, that’s when Eddie’s life will get hard.

Poor Eddie.

Suffer, you little shit.

150 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 8:29:15pm
151 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 8:31:47pm
152 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2014 8:37:41pm
153 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 8:42:32pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

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Another day at the zoo. Thanks Glenn!

154 Ming  Apr 18, 2014 8:57:15pm

re: #149 austin_blue

Little Eddie has shot his wad. He no longer controls the data he stole. He is now just a geopolitical pawn, presently residing in Russia. Putin will use him as long as it is advantageous. When he’s worn out his welcome, that’s when Eddie’s life will get hard.

Poor Eddie.

Suffer, you little shit.

Snowden was thoroughly traitorous from the beginning, but in hindsight it’s amazing what bad luck he had: to end up in Russia almost precisely when the Ukraine crisis began.

155 Dark_Falcon  Apr 18, 2014 8:58:28pm

re: #153 Gus

Another day at the zoo. Thanks Glenn!

And a big, big FU2 shout-out to Dorkus and the Blog of the Damned for spawning and tolerating hateful trolls like the Fake Gus.

156 Dark_Falcon  Apr 18, 2014 8:59:58pm

re: #154 Ming

Snowden was thoroughly traitorous from the beginning, but in hindsight it’s amazing what bad luck he had: to end up in Russia almost precisely when the Ukraine crisis began.

Cave, Deus Videt! (Beware, God sees!)

Good Night, All.

157 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 9:10:43pm

I don’t even care about those weirdos anymore. I’m even forgetting some of their names here.

158 Jayleia  Apr 18, 2014 9:10:52pm

re: #154 Ming

What makes you so sure that luck had much to do with it? He arrived in Russia before the current troubles began…but with plenty of clues around.

And he still ended up there.

159 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 9:48:01pm

160 Political Atheist  Apr 18, 2014 9:49:49pm

Excited about Saturday. Got tools and cameras and gold all lined up for getting production/product/process shots for the new company web site. Even rented a good mic for my camera. Got lights, 3 cameras, and all day. 2 good crew to back me up. Dragon_Lady and Not Approved By The MPAA. We even plan a little hydrogen lesson for my fellow casters and smelters. trying to photograph that certain instant when a torch ignites and the flame is still smallish and shapely. D_L got this one years ago on a past shoot

161 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 9:53:39pm

re: #160 Political Atheist

Excited about Saturday. Got tools and cameras and gold all lined up for getting production/product/process shots for the new company web site. Even rented a good mic for my camera. Got lights, 3 cameras, and all day. 2 good crew to back me up. Dragon_Lady and Not Approved By The MPAA. We even plan a little hydrogen lesson for my fellow casters and smelters. trying to photograph that certain instant when a torch ignites and the flame is still smallish and shapely. D_L got this one years ago on a past shoot

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Would be cool to see some flame gifs.

162 Political Atheist  Apr 18, 2014 9:56:33pm

re: #161 Gus

Would be cool to see some flame gifs.

That’s a good idea. Just not sure how to compile them other than making a video. Just drop them into Premiere maybe, unless there is a simpler way.

163 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 9:57:38pm

re: #162 Political Atheist

That’s a good idea. Just not sure how to compile them other than making a video. Just drop them into Premiere maybe, unless there is a simpler way.

Yep. Remember each frame is a layer.

164 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 9:58:57pm
165 Political Atheist  Apr 18, 2014 9:59:18pm

re: #163 Gus

Yep. Remember each frame is a layer.

Shutter runs at 1/8000th to grab a frame. 8 frames per second. 24 or so at a clip in RAW. Hmmm.

166 Gus  Apr 18, 2014 10:01:09pm

re: #165 Political Atheist

Shutter runs at 1/8000th to grab a frame. 8 frames per second. 24 or so at a clip in RAW. Hmmm.

Oh I’m sure you can do it.

167 BillinGlendaleCA  Apr 18, 2014 10:15:15pm

re: #52 Skip Intro

Dokdo island is kinda funny since ‘do’ is island in Korean. So that would be Dok island island.

168 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 19, 2014 12:12:13am

Shoot, I live in Europe and wanted to get a VPN so I can watch a lot of American content that is blocked outside the US

169 sagehen  Apr 19, 2014 12:18:09am

re: #154 Ming

Snowden was thoroughly traitorous from the beginning, but in hindsight it’s amazing what bad luck he had: to end up in Russia almost precisely when the Ukraine crisis began.

Youtube Video

170 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 19, 2014 12:27:10am

re: #167 BillinGlendaleCA

Dokdo island is kinda funny since ‘do’ is island in Korean. So that would be Dok island island.

Table Mesa, Arizona…

171 freetoken  Apr 19, 2014 12:38:24am

re: #170 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Table Mesa, Arizona…

Cold Bay, Alaska.

172 BillinGlendaleCA  Apr 19, 2014 12:49:55am

re: #170 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That was sort of my point. You wouldn’t say Table Mesa Mesa, AZ or Table Table, AZ. Dokdo, Jindo, Jejudo already have island in the word. Either Dokdo or Dok Island would be correct. Just as another location mentioned in the original comment; Mt. Halle, you wouldn’t say Mt. Hallesan, which is on Jejudo. I know it’s a nit, but it kinda bugged me.

173 sagehen  Apr 19, 2014 12:51:44am

re: #170 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Table Mesa, Arizona…

The La Brea Tar Pits.
The Los Angeles Angels.

174 freetoken  Apr 19, 2014 12:56:03am

re: #172 BillinGlendaleCA

It’s like when English speakers give names of Japanese islands, and add “island” after “-shima”.

175 freetoken  Apr 19, 2014 12:56:22am
176 goddamnedfrank  Apr 19, 2014 2:05:00am

re: #152 Charles Johnson

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This is probably an opportunity to put together another list of known stalkers on Twitter. I’ll lead of with:

@pissedlizard
@xcitizen10
@icesleazle
@dirteloins

and as you say

@Gus_807

If anybody’s blocked a stalker but forgotten the name, you can use twitblock.org to see and manage your blocks. It will also scan your followers and report back any known abusers, spammers, etc.

177 goddamnedfrank  Apr 19, 2014 2:18:10am

re: #176 goddamnedfrank

@LGF_StPancake
@ChenZhen

178 Dr Lizardo  Apr 19, 2014 2:33:07am

Regarding the MV Sewol disaster in South Korea, I came across this in Yonhap.

While apologizing to victims and their families, the captain said that it was not true that he failed to instruct passengers to leave the vessel.

“I gave such an order (to passengers to evacuate),” captain Lee told reporters upon being arrested, adding he told the people to remain seated “before any rescue vessels had arrived. The water was cold.”

The 55-year-old steersman who guided the boat with the female mate said he navigated the ship just as he normally does, but the steering gear “turned exceptionally faster than normal.”

Experts and investigators have said a sudden shift of the vessel caused 180 vehicles and 1,157 tons of freight on board to slide to one side, disrupting the balance of the ship.

An official of the probe team also noted that they have almost ruled out a theory that the boat hit a submerged rock, causing the tragedy. Initial reports said the vessel could have hit an underwater rock based upon survivors’ accounts that they heard a big thumping sound before it started to lean.

“It appears that there were no external shocks to the ship,” an officer said, though they have yet to find what made such a thundering sound.

english.yonhapnews.co.kr

Of course, authorities are still performing a search and rescue operation and the ship has yet to be righted. Until then, it’s all speculative; however, a sudden load shift on the car deck could explain that “thumping sound” survivors recall hearing as well as causing the ship toll to port.

179 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 2:56:50am

re: #178 Dr Lizardo

Regarding the MV Sewol disaster in South Korea, I came across this in Yonhap.

english.yonhapnews.co.kr

Of course, authorities are still performing a search and rescue operation and the ship has yet to be righted. Until then, it’s all speculative; however, a sudden load shift on the car deck could explain that “thumping sound” survivors recall hearing as well as causing the ship toll to port.

It’s an awful tragedy, but also one which they might not have been able to avoid. When people are frightened and confused, they may not act in their own interest, and might hear something totally contrary to what’s being said, not to mention memories of those events being unclear as well as tainted by grief.

When I read that, I thought about how libertarians would act on a sinking ship. “Nobody orders me around.”

180 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 19, 2014 2:58:25am

re: #179 Justanotherhuman

When I read that, I thought about how libertarians would act on a sinking ship. “Nobody orders me around.”

A libertarian has no place anywhere but on a one-seat rowboat.

181 Dr Lizardo  Apr 19, 2014 3:10:44am

re: #179 Justanotherhuman

It’s an awful tragedy, but also one which they might not have been able to avoid. When people are frightened and confused, they may not act in their own interest, and might hear something totally contrary to what’s being said, not to mention memories of those events being unclear as well as tainted by grief.

When I read that, I thought about how libertarians would act on a sinking ship. “Nobody orders me around.”

I would like to think that libertarians would have the common sense to recognize they would be in a life-or-death situation at that point, and that it would probably be a good idea to follow orders.

However, libertarians being what they are, they probably wouldn’t, thinking they know better than everyone else, with easily predictable results (ie, they would likely perish).

I personally have a very strong individualistic streak; however, I know that in an emergency situation, I will defer to the person with more experience in such matters as that would maximize the chances of survival. For instance, flight attendants aren’t there to pour you drinks - their purpose is also safety of the passengers in an emergency. I recall that my ex-wife, being a chief flight attendant herself, went through extensive training in safety procedures and protocol once a year - it was a job requirement for her. So in an emergency, listening to her would be the logical thing to do.

182 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 3:13:34am

For purposes of secrecy, blackmail, graft, theft?

183 freetoken  Apr 19, 2014 3:20:43am

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

That’s not a room of the Ukraine’s tax service.

That’s an IRS room, where they force God fearin’ Americans into bowing to the tyrant Obama.

/watch for it in a tweet near you

184 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 3:38:58am

re: #181 Dr Lizardo

Haha, if what I see online is their version of “common sense”, I’m not buying.

185 Lidane  Apr 19, 2014 3:42:49am
186 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 3:46:29am

Wow, Greenwald and Poitras really are trying too hard in this analogy. And they really over-hype their own relevance in their despicable posturing.

187 austin_blue  Apr 19, 2014 3:47:16am

re: #183 freetoken

That’s not a room of the Ukraine’s tax service.

That’s an IRS room, where they force God fearin’ Americans into bowing to the tyrant Obama.

/watch for it in a tweet near you

Morning, FreeT.

Jetlagged to shit, just got back from the UK on Thursday night. The clock says 5:30 am, the body says “get up, you fuckwit!”. BA has a non-stop from Austin to Heathrow T-5 , now. Boeing 787 service. Pretty convenient, in that I never have to see Houston/Newark again.

And the average IRS worker *wishes* they had the budget for furniture like that.

188 austin_blue  Apr 19, 2014 3:51:38am

re: #185 Lidane

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“We haven’t seen this spirit here since 1969.”

Oh, wait. This is breaking news.

Just 45 years late on the RWNJ teletype feed.

189 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Apr 19, 2014 3:54:42am
The connection between “1971” and the NSA revelations isn’t just historical metaphor. Laura Poitras, the journalist and documentarian, is a producer on the film. Snowden, an NSA contractor, initially contacted Poitras about leaking thousands of documents that revealed the NSA’s collecting of Americans’ phone and email records. On Monday, she shared in the Pulitzer Prize for public service given to The Washington Post and The Guardian for the NSA revelations.

ahem.

190 freetoken  Apr 19, 2014 4:04:41am

re: #187 austin_blue

Never been on a 787, I think. 777 is as high on the number list I’ve gotten.

191 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 4:07:47am

If Greenwald wants something to do in Brazil, he ought to be looking at the corruption like this that goes on all around him in his adopted country and internationally by characters like Ricardo Teixeira.

Report: 10-year-old daughter of former FIFA official received over $3 million

prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com

(snip)

“Teixeira is the former Brazilian Football Confederation president and FIFA executive committee member, and has a long history of corruption, stepping down from his position in 2012.

“The alleged amount of money exceeds the amount that former CONCACAF president Jack Warner was accused of receiving from a Qatari firm a month ago. The Telegraph broke that story as well.

“According to The Telegraph, the deposit to Teixeira’s daughter is thought to have been made by former Barcelona president and head of Nike Brazil, Sandro Rosell. The two are reportedly very close.” More

192 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 19, 2014 4:08:45am

Kemel Aaturk, defensive general at Gallipoli, staunch atheist, modernizer of Turkey, and possible genocider of Armenians, also gave a goddamn beautiful memorial speech at Gallipoli.

Image: Xo1IFOU.jpg

It’s weird and screwed up he can give that speech and have also perpetrated war crimes.

193 austin_blue  Apr 19, 2014 4:12:32am

re: #189 Rev_Arthur_Belling

ahem.

Well, no, it isn’t metaphor. In fact, it is completely irrelevant. The Pentagon Papers were a series of policy documents that outlined the government’s gyrations that led to a justification for direct, overt action in Cambodia and Laos without the consent of the Congress.

Little Eddie released documentation of the collection of metadata previously approved by the Patriot Act and acknowledged by the NSA. Yes, yes, there were some embarrassing specifics, but all predictable given the latitude of the original legislation.

For those of us who had been following the bouncing ball over the years, the revelations were as shocking as the last scene in Casablanca.

194 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 4:16:08am

Easter is a big deal in Ukraine. Look at these beautifully decorated eggs.

Image: big.jpg

Ukraine’s foreign minister has said that operations against pro-Russian militants in the east of the country have been suspended over Easter - @BBCNews
read more on bbc.com

195 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 4:17:56am

re: #193 austin_blue

Well, no, it isn’t metaphor. In fact, it is completely irrelevant. The Pentagon Papers were a series of policy documents that outlined the government’s gyrations that led to a justification for direct, overt action in Cambodia and Laos without the consent of the Congress.

Little Eddie released documentation of the collection of metadata previously approved by the Patriot Act and acknowledged by the NSA. Yes, yes, there were some embarrassing specifics, but all predictable given the latitude of the original legislation.

For those of us who had been following the bouncing ball over the years, the revelations were as shocking as the last scene in Casablanca.

But—-we’ll always have Paris!

196 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 4:25:35am

Holy crap!

197 austin_blue  Apr 19, 2014 4:28:49am

re: #190 freetoken

Never been on a 787, I think. 777 is as high on the number list I’ve gotten.

The 787 is fast. The 777 does Houston -> Heathrow in ten hours. We did Austin -> Heathrow in 8 1/2, with a lower pressure altitude in the cabin. Nice ride.

re: #195 Justanotherhuman

But—-we’ll always have Paris!

Exactly. The irony is that the talks that ended the Vietnam war were held in….

198 austin_blue  Apr 19, 2014 4:42:00am

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

@LGF_StPancake
@ChenZhen

Heh. Whatever happened to Nodrog?

199 freetoken  Apr 19, 2014 4:46:09am

re: #197 austin_blue

I suspect the time difference has to do with routes and the mid-level winds. The 787 like the 777 is two engined, which, unless the regulations have changed, the FAA requires the operator to stay within a one-engine operable distance from the nearest airport. That was one of the limitations of the 777 versus the 747. I don’t know if the regs have changed or not.

200 Dr Lizardo  Apr 19, 2014 4:53:55am

And now, impossibly photogenic Czech Army Chief of Staff, Major General Petr Pavel.

201 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 4:54:14am

This is so tragic. Those poor girls in the hands of Boko Haram who are nothing but vicious thugs.

Nigeria abductions: Military admits girls still missing

bbc.com

202 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 19, 2014 4:57:29am

re: #135 Kragar

Except the Libertarians don’t put that much thought into it.

Nor do they understand what absolute scum the Spartans were. Frankly if the world could have given Sparta to the Persians and nothing else, the world would have been a better place.

203 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 4:59:25am

re: #200 Dr Lizardo

And now, impossibly photogenic Czech Army Chief of Staff, Major General Petr Pavel.

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Handsome devil. : )

204 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 5:09:55am

Music, and art by Francine van Hove. I would love to find some prints by her; she captures these young women so wonderfully.

Youtube Video

Personal disclosure: I did nude modeling for a women’s art class back in the ’70s.

205 austin_blue  Apr 19, 2014 5:13:09am

re: #199 freetoken

I suspect the time difference has to do with routes and the mid-level winds. The 787 like the 777 is two engined, which, unless the regulations have changed, the FAA requires the operator to stay within a one-engine operable distance from the nearest airport. That was one of the limitations of the 777 versus the 747. I don’t know if the regs have changed or not.

A lot of the difference is in the wing of the aircraft. On the 787, the wing looks like a scimitar, with a huge dihedral aspect. The damn thing cruises at .90 Mach at 40,000 feet. We hit ground speeds of over 700 mph heading east. Yes, we were in the core of the jet stream, but the 777 never gets that fast.

On the way back from London, we took a very southerly route (the flight often drives a great circle route as far north and west as Detroit before entering the CONUS, we came in over Boston to get the most favorable winds) and we were hitting 650+ mph mid-ocean. It’s just a fantastically quiet, comfortable airplane and the food and service on British Airways puts US carriers (I’m looking at you, United/Continental, American, and Delta) to shame.

206 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 5:13:30am

re: #202 William Barnett-Lewis

Nor do they understand what absolute scum the Spartans were. Frankly if the world could have given Sparta to the Persians and nothing else, the world would have been a better place.

The problem was that Sparta wasn’t Persia’s main target, as even 300 depicts. Persia’s main quarrel was with Athens, for having intervened in a democratic (for Greek values of democracy) revolution in Melitus, a Greek city in Persian-controlled Asia Minor (modern Turkey). Sparta, however, saw a Persian conquest of Athens as ‘the thin edge of the wedge’, knowing that Persia wouldn’t stop there.

Sparta was also uniquely vulnerable if Persia got a lodgement in Greece, for full Spartans were outnumbered several to one by their helot serfs. The Spartans demanded 50% of the helots harvests, whereas the Persian Empire seldom demanded more than 20% from anyone and then only when its army was passing through. Thus the Spartans feared than if the Persian Empire got close to Spartan territory, it would likely incite a helot revolt by offering the serfs a better deal.

207 austin_blue  Apr 19, 2014 5:14:14am

re: #204 Justanotherhuman

Music, and art by Francine van Hove. I would love to find some prints by her; she captures these young women so wonderfully.

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Personal disclosure: I did nude modeling for a women’s art class back in the ’70s.

Well, that takes balls.

208 lawhawk  Apr 19, 2014 5:34:59am

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

For purposes of secrecy, blackmail, graft, theft?

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Mr. Anderson: You can’t scare me with this Gestapo crap. I want to talk to my lawyer.
Agent Smith: Tell me, Mr. Anderson, what good is a phone call if you’re unable to speak?

209 Eventual Carrion  Apr 19, 2014 5:35:16am

re: #204 Justanotherhuman

Music, and art by Francine van Hove. I would love to find some prints by her; she captures these young women so wonderfully.

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Personal disclosure: I did nude modeling for a women’s art class back in the ’70s.

Hey so did I. Well I streaked down main street in my small town in 1979, does that count?

Note: I really did. Made $10 on the bet.

210 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Apr 19, 2014 5:37:28am

Who wasn’t a nude model in the ’70s!?

211 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 5:39:20am

re: #207 austin_blue

Well, that takes balls.

I love this kind of art, where the women’s bodies are just as they are, no alterations, no defacing, etc. It’s very natural; bodies have their own beauty and need nothing else, IMHO. Modern society really screws with women over body image and what we’re “supposed” to look like, how we’re supposed to “compete” with other women.

212 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 5:41:00am

re: #210 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Who wasn’t a nude model in the ’70s!?

Not as easy as it sounds. : )

213 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Apr 19, 2014 5:42:09am

i hear it was a pain in the ass.

214 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 5:49:07am

re: #208 lawhawk

Mr. Anderson: You can’t scare me with this Gestapo crap. I want to talk to my lawyer.
Agent Smith: Tell me, Mr. Anderson, what good is a phone call if you’re unable to speak?

Upding for the The Matrix reference. Bonus for making your point with words spoken by a villain played by Hugo Weaving, since that adds an extra spice when deployed against people with a fondness for Guy Fawkes masks.

Note: That last is a little unfair to Mr. Weaving, who is after all an actor. By my target is not him but those who fetishize one of the roles he has played.

215 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 5:54:31am

The Russians lie, of course.

216 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 5:59:13am

Funny the Russians announce this after Ukraine says it will take a breather over Easter…

Russia puts extra military on Ukraine border due to ‘instability’, Kremlin says - @ITVNews
end of alert

217 Dr Lizardo  Apr 19, 2014 6:00:46am

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

Upding for the The Matrix reference. Bonus for making your point with words spoken by a villain played by Hugo Weaving, since that adds an extra spice when deployed against people with a fondness for Guy Fawkes masks.

Note: That last is a little unfair to Mr. Weaving, who is after all an actor. By my target is not him but those who fetishize one of the roles he has played.

Hugo Weaving is indeed a very good actor, and he plays the villain with great panache. I great enjoyed his portrayal as Red Skull/Johann Schmidt in Captain America: The First Avenger.

218 Romantic Heretic  Apr 19, 2014 6:02:02am

re: #192 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Kemel Aaturk, defensive general at Gallipoli, staunch atheist, modernizer of Turkey, and possible genocider of Armenians, also gave a goddamn beautiful memorial speech at Gallipoli.

Image: Xo1IFOU.jpg

It’s weird and screwed up he can give that speech and have also perpetrated war crimes.

Damn. Now I have this song in my head.

Youtube Video

219 lawhawk  Apr 19, 2014 6:02:25am

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

There are some actors who will always be associated with the bad guy. Hugo Weaving will always be associated with Agent Smith, who’s one of the most memorable baddies in recent movie history (and was Red Skull in Cap Am). That’s even though he had a prominent role as Elrond in the LOTR/Hobbit trilogies.

Another one is Christopher Lee, who was a baddie in both the Star Wars prequels and LOTR and who got widespread attention much earlier as Scaramanga in The Man with the Golden Gun.

Great actors both, but who take being the bad guy with glee and abandon. Regal evil. I’d argue that it is their voice and cadence that got them the attention in the first place - and lots of actors say they like playing the bad guy since they can do stuff they couldn’t as the good guy.

220 b.d.  Apr 19, 2014 6:03:23am

re: #196 Justanotherhuman

Holy crap!

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They have baseball bats in Eastern Europe? Why? Except for thuggery?

221 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 19, 2014 6:04:20am

re: #179 Justanotherhuman

It’s an awful tragedy, but also one which they might not have been able to avoid. When people are frightened and confused, they may not act in their own interest, and might hear something totally contrary to what’s being said, not to mention memories of those events being unclear as well as tainted by grief.

When I read that, I thought about how libertarians would act on a sinking ship. “Nobody orders me around.”

Everytime I hear about a disaster with a car ferry, I alway wonder first if something happened with the loading door mechanisms. I remember a couple of incidents where they failed or weren’t properly secured. I haven’t heard that even suggested, so it’s probably not the cause, I’m sure that in any case they will find the underlying cause of the tragedy quickly.

RBS

222 b.d.  Apr 19, 2014 6:04:23am

Damn, when you’ve lost a TMZ poll you’ve lost America:

Worse

Putin - 68%
Lindsay - 32%

223 Dr Lizardo  Apr 19, 2014 6:07:35am

re: #219 lawhawk

There are some actors who will always be associated with the bad guy. Hugo Weaving will always be associated with Agent Smith, who’s one of the most memorable baddies in recent movie history (and was Red Skull in Cap Am). That’s even though he had a prominent role as Elrond in the LOTR/Hobbit trilogies.

Another one is Christopher Lee, who was a baddie in both the Star Wars prequels and LOTR and who got widespread attention much earlier as Scaramanga in The Man with the Golden Gun.

Great actors both, but who take being the bad guy with glee and abandon. Regal evil. I’d argue that it is their voice and cadence that got them the attention in the first place - and lots of actors say they like playing the bad guy since they can do stuff they couldn’t as the good guy.

My favorite Christopher Lee role, aside from his Dracula, was as Lord Summerisle in The Wicker Man.

224 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 6:08:16am

Oh, ferchrissakes. Remember, though, it’s the Telegraph…

Researchers in Scotland claim that an Apple map satellite image has revealed the Loch Ness monster - @TelegraphNews
read more on telegraph.co.uk

225 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 19, 2014 6:09:03am

re: #185 Lidane

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That’s like a triple Godwin!

226 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 6:10:06am

re: #223 Dr Lizardo

My favorite Christopher Lee role, aside from his Dracula, was as Lord Summerisle in The Wicker Man.

Jack Elam and James Remar were a couple of my favorite American bad guys.

227 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 6:10:34am

re: #219 lawhawk

Both Agent Smith and Red Skull have central roles in the movies they appear in, whereas Elrond is very much a supporting character through Tolkien’s legendarium. Actors who have a substantial number of leading roles are typically known by those roles, not by any supporting roles they might have had.

228 Timothy Watson  Apr 19, 2014 6:11:31am

re: #224 Justanotherhuman

My favorite comment on the story:

I saw this on the Daily Mail website, and thought “how silly”. Now the Telegraph has decided to show that it has some silly writers too.

229 lawhawk  Apr 19, 2014 6:14:08am

Today marks the anniversary of both the Waco siege and the OKC bombing.

230 Dr Lizardo  Apr 19, 2014 6:15:17am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

Both Agent Smith and Red Skull have central roles in the movies they appear in, whereas Elrond is very much a supporting character through Tolkien’s legendarium. Actors who have a substantial number of leading roles are typically known by those roles, not by any supporting roles they might have had.

Very true. David Prowse will always be remembered as Darth Vader, but how many recall him from such films as The Horror of Frankenstein, Frankenstein and the Monster from Hell or even A Clockwork Orange?

231 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 19, 2014 6:15:53am

re: #229 lawhawk

Today marks the anniversary of both the Waco siege and the OKC bombing.

and tomorrow is Adolf Hitler’s birthday

232 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 6:16:32am

re: #229 lawhawk

Today marks the anniversary of both the Waco siege and the OKC bombing.

And some people don’t wonder why the RWNJ defend the Waco whackos so extensively and yet never, ever comment about the killing of innocents, both children and adults, in Okla City?

233 b.d.  Apr 19, 2014 6:17:18am

re: #231 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and tomorrow is Adolf Hitler’s birthday

Mine too!

234 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 6:17:24am

re: #231 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and tomorrow is Adolf Hitler’s birthday

Let’s just hope he doesn’t rise from the dead. ; )

235 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 19, 2014 6:17:42am

re: #222 b.d.

Damn, when you’ve lost a TMZ poll you’ve lost America:

John Lindsay, former NYC mayor?

236 Timothy Watson  Apr 19, 2014 6:17:46am

re: #232 Justanotherhuman

And some people don’t wonder why the RWNJ defend the Waco whackos so extensively and yet never, ever comment about the killing of innocents, both children and adults, in Okla City?

Because the really crazy among them will claim that the federal government was responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing, OKC Truthers, as I call them.

237 austin_blue  Apr 19, 2014 6:17:50am

re: #231 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and tomorrow is Adolf Hitler’s birthday

Are you implying that pot smokers are Sekrit Hitler Worshippers?

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238 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 6:18:51am

re: #229 lawhawk

Today marks the anniversary of both the Waco siege and the OKC bombing.

It also marks anniversary of the British attempt to disarm hostile Massachusetts militia at Lexington and Concord. While successful at the first location, at Concord the British could only disperse instead of destroy the militia. The militia proceeded to harass the Redcoats all along the soldier’s way back to Boston. The American Revolution had begun.

239 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 6:18:52am

re: #233 b.d.

Mine too!

Happy, happy birthday! Many more.

240 Timothy Watson  Apr 19, 2014 6:19:03am

Also the 15th anniversary of the Columbine High School shooting on April 20th.

241 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 6:20:28am

re: #235 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

John Lindsay, former NYC mayor?

Lindsey Lohan. People here might think of Senator Lindsey Graham (R, SC), but far fewer Americans know who he is than know of the actress of the same first name.

242 b.d.  Apr 19, 2014 6:20:38am

re: #239 Justanotherhuman

Happy, happy birthday! Many more.

Thank you, that’s the plan!

:)

243 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 19, 2014 6:22:10am
244 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 19, 2014 6:24:46am

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

Lindsey Lohan. People here might think of Senator Lindsey Graham (R, SC), but far fewer Americans know who he is than know of the actress of the same first name.

That makes more sense, I guess. To be honest, neither Ms. Lohan or Sen. Graham came to mind, which probably means it’s time for both of them to do something especially noteworthy.

245 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 6:26:55am

This is a wonderful victory, and shows what one determined person can accomplish.

Student fought bureaucrats for Holocaust justice

bigstory.ap.org

AMSTERDAM (AP) — Charlotte van den Berg was a 20-year-old college student working part-time in Amsterdam’s city archives when she and other interns came across a shocking find: letters from Jewish Holocaust survivors complaining that the city was forcing them to pay back taxes and late payment fines on property seized after they were deported to Nazi death camps.

“How, the survivors asked, could they be on the hook for taxes due while Hitler’s regime was trying to exterminate them? A typical response was: “The base fees and the fines for late payment must be satisfied, regardless of whether a third party, legally empowered or not, has for some time held the title to the building.”

“Following her discovery in 2011, Van den Berg waged a lonely fight against Amsterdam’s modern bureaucracy to have the travesty publicly recognized. Now, largely due to her efforts, Amsterdam officials are considering compensating Holocaust survivors for the taxes and possibly other obligations, including gas bills, they were forced to pay for homes that were occupied by Nazis or collaborators while the rightful owners were in hiding or awaiting death in the camps.” More

246 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 6:28:31am

re: #238 Dark_Falcon

It also marks anniversary of the British attempt to disarm hostile Massachusetts militia at Lexington and Concord. While successful at the first location, at Concord the British could only disperse instead of destroy the militia. The militia proceeded to harass the Redcoats all along the soldier’s way back to Boston. The American Revolution had begun.

Note: Just because the Tea Party fetishizes the Revolution, doesn’t mean Lexington and Concord weren’t important. So let’s have a poem for the occasion:

Concord Hymn
By Ralph Waldo Emerson

Sung at the Completion of the Battle Monument, July 4, 1837

By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood
And fired the shot heard round the world.

The foe long since in silence slept;
Alike the conqueror silent sleeps;
And Time the ruined bridge has swept
Down the dark stream which seaward creeps.

On this green bank, by this soft stream,
We set today a votive stone;
That memory may their deed redeem,
When, like our sires, our sons are gone.

Spirit, that made those heroes dare
To die, and leave their children free,
Bid Time and Nature gently spare
The shaft we raise to them and thee.

247 Flounder  Apr 19, 2014 6:28:45am

re: #217 Dr Lizardo

Upding for “panache”

248 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 6:30:47am

re: #243 NJDhockeyfan

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That’s just silly. A muzzle-loader like that would be of little use against foes using modern rifles and body armor.

249 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 19, 2014 6:37:40am

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

That’s just silly. A muzzle-loader like that would be of little use against foes using modern rifles and body armor.

Well… if rifled & if using a Minnie type hollow base bullet, one could put a round into the face of balaclava boy at a greater distance than expected. It would work as an ambush on occasion ala the US made “Liberator” pistol to obtain a proper firearm that is no longer of use to the person it was issued to…

250 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 19, 2014 6:39:51am

re: #224 Justanotherhuman

Oh, ferchrissakes. Remember, though, it’s the Telegraph…

Researchers in Scotland claim that an Apple map satellite image has revealed the Loch Ness monster - @TelegraphNews
read more on telegraph.co.uk

Nessie

This image, taken by an Apple map satellite, depicts a shadowy form of around 100 feet in length with something akin to flippers in the water of the Loch Ness. The image has been studied for six months by experts at the Official Loch Ness Monster Fan Club, the Club has concluded the shadow is most probably the Loch Ness Monster. This sighting is the first reported in 18 months, the longest that Nessie has been missing since 1925.
Picture: Peter Jolly

251 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 19, 2014 6:40:54am

I just talked with my Ukrainian friend and neighbor this evening. She’s from Luhansk, which is near Donetsk. She’s really worried about the situation back home. Her mom says there is unrest in Luhansk now. It’s right up against the Russian border.

252 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 19, 2014 6:42:32am

re: #250 NJDhockeyfan

I dunno. Could be an alien spacecraft hiding underwater.
/
(Movie reference, dontcha know)

253 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 6:42:35am

re: #250 NJDhockeyfan

Nessie

That’s about as credible as The Intercept which has had no activity since 4/14/14.

I suppose GG is too busy flying around gratifying his ego to do any real work.

Or maybe it’s just some mundane reason like total chaos.

Good for a laugh, anyway.

254 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 6:43:58am

re: #249 William Barnett-Lewis

Well… if rifled & if using a Minnie type hollow base bullet, one could put a round into the face of balaclava boy at a greater distance than expected. It would work as an ambush on occasion ala the US made “Liberator” pistol to obtain a proper firearm that is no longer of use to the person it was issued to…

If the user is well trained. But an old Mosin-Nagat or a war-trophy Mauser would be a much better choice. Lighter, faster firing, and much more accurate.

255 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 6:45:35am

Earthquake: M 7.8 - 68km SW of Panguna, Papua New Guinea
read more on usgs.gov

256 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 19, 2014 6:45:58am

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

If the user is well trained. But an old Mosin-Nagat or a war-trophy Mauser would be a much better choice. Lighter, faster firing, and much more accurate.

To be sure; I own both (and prefer the Mauser). But I was simply pointing out that to pretend that no muzzle loader is dangerous is a mistake.

257 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 6:46:34am

re: #255 Justanotherhuman

Earthquake: M 7.8 - 68km SW of Panguna, Papua New Guinea
read more on usgs.gov

6 mi down; this could trigger a tsunami.

258 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 6:47:06am

re: #252 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I dunno. Could be an alien spacecraft hiding underwater.
/
(Movie reference, dontcha know)

Yes, but the movie drew too much contempt here in the US for you to get an upding.

259 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 19, 2014 6:49:06am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but the movie drew too much contempt here in the US for you to get an upding.

Are we thinking of the same movie — from last year?

260 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 6:50:23am

re: #256 William Barnett-Lewis

To be sure; I own both (and prefer the Mauser). But I was simply pointing out that to pretend that no muzzle loader is dangerous is a mistake.

Point taken. But you’d still have to go for a non-center mass hit, since a ‘soft’ lead type Minie ball won’t breach modern armor. It’ll shatter a leg, but a proper thickness of Kevlar will block it.

261 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 6:51:04am

re: #259 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Are we thinking of the same movie — from last year?

From 2012, if memory serves.

262 austin_blue  Apr 19, 2014 6:52:39am

re: #250 NJDhockeyfan

Nessie

Looks like a basking shark.

263 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 19, 2014 6:54:22am

re: #259 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Are we thinking of the same movie — from last year?

And Dr Who long ago did the trope of hiding an alien spacecraft in Loch Ness while the aliens control a monster for nefarious purposes.

264 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 6:54:29am

re: #262 austin_blue

Looks like a basking shark.

Yeah, but Loch Ness is fresh water. A basking shark couldn’t live there. A bull shark could, at least for a while, but those have a much more “classic shark appearance”.

265 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 19, 2014 6:55:55am

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

From 2012, if memory serves.

No, the one I have in mind was definitely 2013. The latest in a long-running franchise.

266 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 6:57:19am

re: #263 Feline Fearless Leader

And Dr Who long ago did the trope of hiding an alien spacecraft in Loch Ness while the aliens control a monster for nefarious purposes.

1st Serial (episodes), 13th Season, 1975. It was called Terror of the Zygons and the aliens and their monster were defeated by the 4th Doctor.

267 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 6:58:10am

re: #265 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

No, the one I have in mind was definitely 2013. The latest in a long-running franchise.

Then we aren’t thinking of the same movie. Which one were you referring to?

268 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 19, 2014 6:58:35am

Normally the only shit you hear about Malmöin Sweden is stories about Muslims behaving badly, and part of the reason of that is Malmöis struggling with neo-Nazis and others on the far right. An anti-fascist activist, Showan Shattak, got stabbed awhile ago, and was in serious condition, but he’s much improved, and continues the fight.

“Yesterday after 6 weeks of neurological Department and 4 operations, I finished my intensive care. I have now moved to a more open hospital with better conditions. The last operation on my skull comes within a month, and the way back to a more normal everyday life will continue through in the summer.

Don’t know what I would have done without all the help and sympathy that I and my family have received recently. The road has been punctuated with massive solidarity greetings from friends, peers, football fans and especially the MFF-family. Warmth anti-fascism in your action and gives me strength.

So thanks to all football fans and the whole damn Malmö-you should know that I had done exactly the same thing for you.

Battle of Malmö-our strength is our numbers!

Showan 18/04/2014”

Weirdly, some people are claiming the assholes that stabbed him were ‘trained’ by Euromaiden; not sure how much training you need to stab someone.

269 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 19, 2014 7:01:31am

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

Then we aren’t thinking of the same movie. Which one were you referring to?

Star Trek; Into Darkness. What did you have in mind?

270 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 7:02:35am

re: #269 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Star Trek; Into Darkness. What did you have in mind?

Something that cannot be named, for even to name invites scorn.

271 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 19, 2014 7:04:02am

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but Loch Ness is fresh water. A basking shark couldn’t live there. A bull shark could, at least for a while, but those have a much more “classic shark appearance”.

The Greenland Shark is actually the one that people claim could be there, but it also likewise can’t regulate itself for fresh water, not to mention it wouldn’t go there in the first place.

272 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 19, 2014 7:08:58am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

Something that cannot be named, for even to name invites scorn.

Shit. Now you’ve got me puzzled, because I have no idea which one you’re talking about. Might it be a Michael Bey production?

273 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 7:10:22am

re: #268 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Normally the only shit you hear about Malmöin Sweden is stories about Muslims behaving badly, and part of the reason of that is Malmöis struggling with neo-Nazis and others on the far right. An anti-fascist activist, Showan Shattak, got stabbed awhile ago, and was in serious condition, but he’s much improved, and continues the fight.

Weirdly, some people are claiming the assholes that stabbed him were ‘trained’ by Euromaiden; not sure how much training you need to stab someone.

Those “some people” should be looked into, since they might well be part of Russian ‘active measures’.

274 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 7:13:07am

re: #272 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Shit. Now you’ve got me puzzled, because I have no idea which one you’re talking about. Might it be a Michael Bey production?

No, but let’s drop the topic.

275 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 19, 2014 7:13:10am

re: #271 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The Greenland Shark is actually the one that people claim could be there, but it also likewise can’t regulate itself for fresh water, not to mention it wouldn’t go there in the first place.

Not to mention that the photo claims the shadowy object is about 100’ in length. Largest known basking shark was <60’ (and measured in 1851). Greenland sharks are smaller still.

Not an expert, but why can’t that “shadow” be a wake pattern from a boat on the loch? It’s a satellite photo.

276 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 19, 2014 7:14:02am

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

No, but let’s drop the topic.

OK

277 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 19, 2014 7:14:41am

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

Those “some people” should be looked into, since they might well be part of Russian ‘active measures’.

Okham says it’s just a weirdo on the internet.

Here’s a clip showing that people of all cultures are assholes to their friends:

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278 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 7:15:53am

Pacific Tsunami Warning Center says a tsunami warning is in effect for Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands after 7.8 magnitude quake - @Reuters
end of alert

279 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 19, 2014 7:16:38am

re: #237 austin_blue

Are you implying that pot smokers are Sekrit Hitler Worshippers?

///

Sieg High!

280 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 19, 2014 7:17:21am

re: #275 Feline Fearless Leader

Not to mention that the photo claims the shadowy object is about 100’ in length. Largest known basking shark was <60’ (and measured in 1851). Greenland sharks are smaller still.

Not an expert, but why can’t that “shadow” be a wake pattern from a boat on the loch? It’s a satellite photo.

I had the same idea, despite my snark about underwater spacecraft. Do satellites detect whales underwater, as a rule? I suspect not.

281 lawhawk  Apr 19, 2014 7:17:55am

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

From 2012, if memory serves.

We are cancelling the apocalypse! /Pacific Rim

282 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 19, 2014 7:18:40am

re: #280 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I had the same idea, despite my snark about underwater spacecraft. Do satellites detect whales underwater, as a rule? I suspect not.

It’s clearly a wake.

283 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 19, 2014 7:19:20am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

Something that cannot be named, for even to name invites scorn.

I don’t remember watery aliens from “Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance”.

:D

They probably would have been an improvement.

284 lawhawk  Apr 19, 2014 7:19:47am

re: #283 Feline Fearless Leader

You sunk my …. battleship. /worst… movie…. of the year

285 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 7:20:04am

re: #281 lawhawk

We are cancelling the apocalypse! /Pacific Rim

That movie I actually enjoyed. I only saw it when it finally came out on HBO recently, but I did enjoy it.

286 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 7:21:05am

re: #284 lawhawk

You sunk my …. battleship. /worst… movie…. of the year

That’s the one. Made a lot of money overseas, but was not well received in the US.

287 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 19, 2014 7:24:13am

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

That’s the one. Made a lot of money overseas, but was not well received in the US.

I figured it out, finally. I have not seen this masterpiece of cinema yet.

288 lawhawk  Apr 19, 2014 7:24:25am

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, Pacific Rim is classic kaiju movies with a modern spin. Best reason to watch is Idris Elba. Neat sfx, but the story was a wee bit thin.

Looks like this year’s Godzilla is going to be the modern take on kaiju that will have lasting ability.

Battleship on the other hand was virtually unwatchable.

289 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 7:25:55am

Waiting on bank appraiser to come by and check out the property, so I’m sort of suspending “activities” and getting a bit tired of waiting.

Painted a 2 story birdhouse pink; waiting to put on a second coat. The munchkin helped…

Oh, they just came. Over and done.

290 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 19, 2014 7:26:58am

Autism Vaccine

My brother is mailing me various humorous images this morning.

291 Kilroy01  Apr 19, 2014 7:27:04am

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

Could be worse *maybe

292 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 7:28:07am

re: #288 lawhawk

Yeah, Pacific Rim is classic kaiju movies with a modern spin. Best reason to watch is Idris Elba. Neat sfx, but the story was a wee bit thin.

Looks like this year’s Godzilla is going to be the modern take on kaiju that will have lasting ability.

Battleship on the other hand was virtually unwatchable.

Elba is great for heroic characters, IMO. Of course, my opinion on that point was shaped by the fact that the role in which I first saw his true abilities was one in which he was a kind of tragic hero.

293 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 19, 2014 7:28:10am

re: #291 Kilroy01

But they only eat things that are marble shaped!

294 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 19, 2014 7:30:04am

295 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 7:32:14am
297 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 7:35:42am

re: #296 Feline Fearless Leader

Even spiders have something to fear

Those wasps would make Bond villains fear. That’s just nasty but it’s also part of why nature is fascinating too.

298 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 7:38:57am

re: #296 Feline Fearless Leader

Even spiders have something to fear

I’m not scared of spiders. Wasps, however, those I fear. They’re far worse than bees, since they can sting you repeatedly.

299 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 7:41:03am

Is the Tea Party advising the Russian interlopers in Ukraine?

300 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 19, 2014 7:41:24am

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

I’m not scared of spiders. Wasps, however, those I fear. They’re far worse than bees, since they can sting you repeatedly.

Most bees can sting you repeatedly—only honey bees die after stinging. Some species of wasps die after stinging once.

301 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 7:44:06am

Hornets always seemed pretty scary to me. Never have gotten stung by one of those. It always does annoy me though with the bees hovering around outside when I will eat outside for lunch with a soda but not going to be as much a problem anymore since I rarely drink soda these days.

302 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2014 7:46:03am

re: #300 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Most bees can sting you repeatedly—only honey bees die after stinging. Some species of wasps die after stinging once.

Here’s a tip for the upcoming warm weather:
Keep pieces of papaya peel in your freezer. If you get stung by a bee or wasp, hold a piece of the papaya skin against the sting area. The papain enzyme will neutralize the venom resulting in almost immediate relief. Also, plain Adolph’s Meat Tenderizer made into a paste with water has the same effect since papain is the main ingredient.

303 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 7:47:57am

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s a tip for the upcoming warm weather:
Keep pieces of papaya peel in your freezer. If you get stung by a bee or wasp, hold a piece of the papaya skin against the sting area. The papain enzyme will neutralize the venom resulting in almost immediate relief. Also, plain Adolph’s Meat Tenderizer made into a paste with water has the same effect since papain is the main ingredient.

Never heard that before. Sounds good.

304 Eventual Carrion  Apr 19, 2014 7:48:35am

re: #262 austin_blue

Looks like a basking shark.

And they can get up to 60 ft long

305 The Awkward Guy  Apr 19, 2014 7:50:03am

re: #101 Charles Johnson

You know that weird feeling when someone you thought you sorta knew goes way off the rails?

Yeah, that feeling.

Yeah, happened to me last week.

306 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 19, 2014 7:50:16am

re: #291 Kilroy01

Could be worse *maybe

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you beat me to that link…

307 Timothy Watson  Apr 19, 2014 7:51:03am

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

I’m not scared of spiders. Wasps, however, those I fear. They’re far worse than bees, since they can sting you repeatedly.

I have a pretty bad thing about bees and wasps. Getting stung on the ear as a kid by a wasp clenched that for me.

Other weird phobias? Escalators, but I blame The X-Files for that one, definitely not a television show that a young kid should be watching.

308 Romantic Heretic  Apr 19, 2014 7:51:23am

re: #296 Feline Fearless Leader

Even spiders have something to fear

There is a species of mite. All are female and born pregnant. The young feed on the mother until nothing is left but the exoskeleton then they burst out to start the cycle over.

Mother Nature is a child abuser.

309 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 19, 2014 7:51:24am

re: #296 Feline Fearless Leader

Even spiders have something to fear

kill….me!

310 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 7:54:05am

re: #307 Timothy Watson

I have a pretty bad thing about bees and wasps. Getting stung on the ear as a kid by a wasp clenched that for me.

Other weird phobias? Escalators, but I blame The X-Files for that one, definitely not a television show that a young kid should be watching.

Roller coasters- I had a dream as a little kid about going on a ride that I didn’t know was a roller coaster but for the longest time I thought it was something that really happened to me.

311 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 7:55:21am

Still love swimming in the ocean despite having a couple pretty bad experiences with jellyfish though technically those experiences with the jellies were in the Chesapeake and Point Lookout (where the Potomac meets the Chesapeake).

312 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 8:02:22am

buzzfeed.com
Ha, reminds me of a Simpsons episode in Italy where they show Peter Griffin and then American Dad’s Stan Smith and write in Italian: Plagarismo and then Plagarismo de Plagarismo.

313 Eventual Carrion  Apr 19, 2014 8:03:50am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Still love swimming in the ocean despite having a couple pretty bad experiences with jellyfish though technically those experiences with the jellies were in the Chesapeake and Point Lookout (where the Potomac meets the Chesapeake).

I hated Skate rays off Galveston when I was living in Houston. Early morning I would always wear my shoes in the water after stepping on 2 (I learn slowly) one morning.

314 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 8:05:35am

re: #313 Eventual Carrion

I hated Skate rays off Galveston when I was living in Houston. Early morning I would always wear my shoes in the water after stepping on 2 (I learn slowly) one morning.

Never encountered those thankfully. I do remember one summer that there were tons of horseshoe crabs on the shore. Those things are harmless and don’t pinch like other crabs. Fascinating creatures really and just another proof of evolution’s majestic nature.

315 Killgore Trout  Apr 19, 2014 8:07:07am
316 austin_blue  Apr 19, 2014 8:07:32am

re: #292 Dark_Falcon

Elba is great for heroic characters, IMO. Of course, my opinion on that point was shaped by the fact that the role in which I first saw his true abilities was one in which he was a kind of tragic hero.

Stringer Bell?

317 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 8:11:18am

Tsunami warning canceled for Papua New Guinea and Solomon Islands, Pacific Tsunami Warning Center says - @breakingweather
see original on twitter.com

No immediate reports of damages or injuries from earthquake off Papua New Guinea, now revised to a 7.5 magnitude - @AP

318 ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2014 8:11:51am

re: #204 Justanotherhuman

Music, and art by Francine van Hove. I would love to find some prints by her; she captures these young women so wonderfully.

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Personal disclosure: I did nude modeling for a women’s art class back in the ’70s.

And as an art student in the 70s I thank those like you who did model. Our school was very big on fundamentals. One big fundamental is the human body is one of the hardest things for an artist to draw. So, we had figure drawing 4 years and anatomy for 1 full year (2 semesters). Yes…art students learning anatomy. One of the big assignments of anatomy was drawing a skeleton front, back and sides and having to do acetate overlays of all the muscles on those skeleton views. Just like the muscle break downs clear overlays in a science/health book. You can’t draw the body if you don’t know all the lumps and bumps that make the shadowing and curvatures of the skin.

Between all the anatomy, color concept and figure drawing, over half my freshman class bailed out by the end of the year. I still remember the Dean of the School saying very early on…”take a look around, many of the people you see in your class today, will not be here for the duration of the work needed to get your degree.”

I’m still proud I got through it, and worked freelance for two years to help afford to go. Art school was a bitch cost wise for all the lab fees and the materials needed to do all the projects. It was art war!

We couldn’t have done it without the live nude models. And they were real pros too.

319 Killgore Trout  Apr 19, 2014 8:12:18am

14 more Nigeria schoolgirls escape Islamists

Another 14 Nigerian schoolgirls kidnapped by Boko Haram Islamists in the northeast have escaped, leaving 85 missing on Saturday after an attack that has sparked global outrage, an official said.

The unprecedented mass abduction of 129 teenage girls from the Chibok area of Borno state has been described as among the most shocking ever by Boko Haram, an extremist group blamed for killing thousands since 2009.

320 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 19, 2014 8:17:38am

re: #319 Killgore Trout

14 more Nigeria schoolgirls escape Islamists

Using religion as a cover to behave like thugs and kidnappers. Wonder where they learned that trick?

321 ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2014 8:21:40am

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

I’m not scared of spiders. Wasps, however, those I fear. They’re far worse than bees, since they can sting you repeatedly.

And the stings really hurt.

I always wonder why people can’t tell the difference in a common honey bee versus a yellow jacket wasp. Not knowing the difference can be painful. Yellow jackets have to be the biggest pain in the ass as far as the wasp family just by their sheer numbers and actions. At least that is how it seems here in Ohio. They are legion!

322 Eventual Carrion  Apr 19, 2014 8:22:10am

re: #320 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Using religion as a cover to behave like thugs and kidnappers. Wonder where they learned that trick?

Some use history as a warning and some use it as a game plan.

323 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 8:23:01am

Twitter changed again. Where is the Delete button for a tweet?

324 ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2014 8:23:26am

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s a tip for the upcoming warm weather:
Keep pieces of papaya peel in your freezer. If you get stung by a bee or wasp, hold a piece of the papaya skin against the sting area. The papain enzyme will neutralize the venom resulting in almost immediate relief. Also, plain Adolph’s Meat Tenderizer made into a paste with water has the same effect since papain is the main ingredient.

Thanks for that!

325 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 19, 2014 8:24:52am

re: #321 ObserverArt

And the stings really hurt.

I always wonder why people can’t tell the difference in a common honey bee versus a yellow jacket wasp. Not knowing the difference can be painful. Yellow jackets have to be the biggest pain in the ass as far as the wasp family just by their sheer numbers and actions. At least that is how it seems here in Ohio. They are legion!

Mud daubers and I don’t get along. Every house I have lived in, except the apartment in Wyoming, hosted mud daubers. And we have wasps in China, too. Their stings burn at first, then the affected area turns numb.

326 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 19, 2014 8:26:51am

re: #325 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Mud daubers and I don’t get along. Every house I have lived in, except the apartment in Wyoming, hosted mud daubers. And we have wasps in China, too. Their stings burn at first, then the affected area turns numb.

I had wasps nesting in the roller blind box above the terrace door. Every time I pulled on it, it turned into an angry wasp dispenser.

328 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 19, 2014 8:29:49am

re: #326 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Angry Wasp Dispenser™ — the perfect gift for those you hate! Now only $19.95 with this special TV offer!

329 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2014 8:31:08am

re: #328 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Angry Wasp DispenserTM — the perfect gift for those you hate! Now only $19.95 with this special TV offer!

Order now and get a second one FREE (pay only shipping and handling)!!!

330 Lidane  Apr 19, 2014 8:31:16am
331 ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2014 8:32:07am

re: #325 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Mud daubers and I don’t get along. Every house I have lived in, except the apartment in Wyoming, hosted mud daubers. And we have wasps in China, too. Their stings burn at first, then the affected area turns numb.

I’ve posted I have an old house. I see every species of wasp and hornet around here. When working outside, I always have a can of wasp spray. I’ve gotten pretty good at knowing how to work around them.

One time, I spent a day working outside and watching a mud duaber flying down to a wet drainage ditch I had going and then flying up near me to dump the mud on his little nest hanging on the brick just under the overhanging eve.

I see tons of black wasps too. Hornets scare me, because they seem more angry.

Bugs can be a fascinating study as your doing manual labor sitting on some scaffold taking a break. So industrious and playing way over their size.

332 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 8:32:13am
333 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 8:33:20am

re: #316 austin_blue

Stringer Bell?

Yes. The 3rd season of The Wire is very much about Stringer as a tragic hero.

334 Eventual Carrion  Apr 19, 2014 8:34:20am

re: #330 Lidane

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That is good information for when this guy gets tired of me living in a tent in his backyard and calls the police.

335 lawhawk  Apr 19, 2014 8:34:27am

re: #330 Lidane

Don’t steal from the American public by refusing to pay grazing fees for using federal lands for your herd. Don’t threaten public officials trying to enforce the rules that you have so publicly and brazenly ignored.

Don’t cloak yourself in patriotic fervor when you’re nothing more than a common criminal and thug.

Don’t surround yourself with militia and sovereign citizen types who have no problem shooting law enforcement who have jurisdiction to carry out warrants and legal orders of the courts.

Don’t try to spout off legal nonsense when there’s no law, constitution, or case that backs your worldview because it has been specifically repudiated by the courts of the state, and the nation.

I could go on, but facts, logic, and reasoning don’t matter to the Bundy nuts.

336 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 19, 2014 8:34:56am

re: #331 ObserverArt

I’ve posted I have an old house. I see every species of wasp and hornet around here. When working outside, I always have a can of wasp spray. I’ve gotten pretty good at knowing how to work around them.

One time, I spent a day working outside and watching a mud duaber flying down to a wet drainage ditch I had going and then flying up near me to dump the mud on his little nest hanging on the brick just under the overhanging eve.

I see tons of black wasps too. Hornets scare me, because they seem more angry.

Bugs can be a fascinating study as your doing manual labor sitting on some scaffold taking a break. So industrious and playing way over their size.

Wasps, hornets and bees are a nuisance. Termites, on the other hand, I utterly hate. Stealthy and ruinous.

337 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 8:35:45am

re: #335 lawhawk

Don’t steal from the American public by refusing to pay grazing fees for using federal lands for your herd. Don’t threaten public officials trying to enforce the rules that you have so publicly and brazenly ignored.

Don’t cloak yourself in patriotic fervor when you’re nothing more than a common criminal and thug.

Don’t surround yourself with militia and sovereign citizen types who have no problem shooting law enforcement who have jurisdiction to carry out warrants and legal orders of the courts.

Don’t try to spout off legal nonsense when there’s no law, constitution, or case that backs your worldview because it has been specifically repudiated by the courts of the state, and the nation.

I could go on, but facts, logic, and reasoning don’t matter to the Bundy nuts.

Yes, this.

338 ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2014 8:37:16am

re: #328 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Angry Wasp DispenserTM — the perfect gift for those you hate! Now only $19.95 with this special TV offer!

Amplify that angry buzz sound to get it real scary and I’ll take two.

By the way…ever hear a bunch of carpenter bees in wood? I have. Another fascinating little creature. Well, not little, and they fly like drunken sailors. I guess only the Queen can sting. The male drones just make noise and buzz dive you in numbers to scare you away.

And with that, time to go out into the urban jungle and strangle some weeds. And look at the bugs.

339 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 19, 2014 8:38:51am

re: #335 lawhawk

Reading an article about the Bundy-nuts encamped around Bundy HQ, it struck me that these people treat this whole caper as a combination hunting trip, camping trip and Civil War re-enactment. No deep reflection about what it means to threaten federal officers with firearms, and to support a whackjob intent on breaking the law.

340 calochortus  Apr 19, 2014 8:39:19am

re: #331 ObserverArt

Just a drive-by to put in a few good words for some wasps. We have those big scary looking ones that hang the disk of cells from the eaves of the house. They are incredibly calm and inoffensive. I don’t encourage them to build right in front of doors because it freaks people out, and a couple always manage to find their way into the house, but otherwise they are never any trouble-even when you’re on a ladder right next to their nest.
They can’t afford to go looking for trouble because they are single parents. If they die, that’s it. No one else will look after the young.
Hornets, including yellowjackets, I detest.

341 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 8:39:51am

WIthin a few months, they will forget about Bundy and find a new outrage de jour.

342 ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2014 8:42:02am

re: #336 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Wasps, hornets and bees are a nuisance. Termites, on the other hand, I utterly hate. Stealthy and ruinous.

I had some damage on this old house from their cousins the black carpenter ant. They had worked over some of the roof of the front porch that was classic home for them for years, damp and under a sugar maple tree that touched the porch. Tree gone, and much wood replaced.

Later lgf’ers…I hear you weeds.

343 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2014 8:42:07am

re: #340 calochortus

Wasps are also a gardener’s friend because they keep caterpillars (like hornworms and cabbage worms) under control.

344 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 19, 2014 8:42:49am

re: #341 HappyWarrior

WIthin a few months, they will forget about Bundy and find a new outrage de jour.

I pulled up the headlines at Google News and caught one at the Daily Caller about Michelle Obama inconveniencing Topeka with a surprise visit. I did not read the article. The three-line teaser was all I needed. It seems her 6-day visit to China has bankrupted the USA somehow.

345 austin_blue  Apr 19, 2014 8:44:48am

And if you haven’t had enough of “Your Murdering Uterus!!” news:

slate.com

Good fucking grief, but these people are just batshit crazy.

346 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 8:44:54am

re: #101 Charles Johnson

You know that weird feeling when someone you thought you sorta knew goes way off the rails?

Yeah, that feeling.

There are rails?

Is like the box I keep hearing about?

347 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 19, 2014 8:45:16am

re: #342 ObserverArt

ObserverArt will go pull weeds. I will saw some logs. G’nite from China.

348 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 8:45:43am

re: #345 austin_blue

And if you haven’t had enough of “Your Murdering Uterus!!” news:

slate.com

Good fucking grief, but these people are just batshit crazy.

Yeah, because there is no greater crime.

349 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 8:47:38am

Books in which you may or may not have an interest.

350 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 8:48:08am

re: #344 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I pulled up the headlines at Google News and caught one at the Daily Caller about Michelle Obama inconveniencing Topeka with a surprise visit. I did not read the article. The three-line teaser was all I needed. It seems her 6-day visit to China has bankrupted the USA somehow.

Not surprised there. There’s always going to be something that either President or Mrs. Obama does that will infuriate the assholes somehow. Since it’s baseball season, I still remember Obama getting shit for wearing a White Sox’s jacket to throw out the first pitch.

351 Lidane  Apr 19, 2014 8:54:10am

re: #345 austin_blue

And if you haven’t had enough of “Your Murdering Uterus!!” news:

slate.com

Good fucking grief, but these people are just batshit crazy.

I look forward to the first Kansas state trial of a middle class white woman for having a miscarriage, since I’m sure that’s who the lawmakers will go after.

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352 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 8:55:47am

re: #330 Lidane

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Fiore has more than her share of stupid. People should be ashamed of electing such a clown.

Chris did an excellent job on that little tête-à-tête.

353 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 8:55:52am

Anyone who actually believes these clowns actually believe in small government is seriously delusional.

354 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 9:01:08am

re: #351 Lidane

I look forward to the first Kansas state trial of a middle class white woman for having a miscarriage, since I’m sure that’s who the lawmakers will go after.

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The first trial probably would be of a white woman, but she’d be a lower-class woman accused of using drugs. Such a case would likely be carefully chosen with a view towards a defendant sympathetic to as few people as possible.

355 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:01:40am

re: #351 Lidane

I look forward to the first Kansas state trial of a middle class white woman for having a miscarriage, since I’m sure that’s who the lawmakers will go after.

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It won’t be long before a woman is burned at the stake.

I mean this literally.

Sadly.

356 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 9:03:57am

re: #355 FemNaziBitch

It won’t be long before a woman is burned at the stake.

I mean this literally.

Sadly.

Either that, or stoning will come back into style.

357 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 9:05:15am

re: #355 FemNaziBitch

It won’t be long before a woman is burned at the stake.

I mean this literally.

Sadly.

What disturbs me is how more and more reactionary they get. More and more you see Republican office holders/seekers who oppose abortion no exception as well as the opposition to equal pay for equal work. It’s why I’m deeply cynical about the Republican party moderating after Obama leaves. In the 80’s when the Dems were being clobbered at the polls, there was groundwork being done by people like Clinton to adapt the party. The Republican Party is changing for sure, it’s just getting more and more reactionary. The likely Republican nominee for Congress here is a guy who has twice said that Downs Syndrome is God’s punishment for abortion. He replaced another guy who said that he didn’t know how spousal rape was possible. That guy is my state senator.

358 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 9:05:57am

re: #356 Justanotherhuman

Either that, or stoning will come back into style.

Bad enough as is that we see rape victims treated worse than their rapists.

359 Lidane  Apr 19, 2014 9:06:37am

re: #354 Dark_Falcon

Hence the sarc tags.

These GOP assholes pass a whole lot of laws aimed at making them look “tough on crime” but what they really mean is tough on the poor and dark skinned. We all know that when push comes to shove, any middle or upper class white woman would suddenly be sympathetic or come down with a case of Affluenza.

It’s even more obvious in that clip with the dipshit blonde Republican talking about how law enforcement should expect Americans to fire back at them. She’d be calling for drone strikes and tanks if Bundy was anything other than a white man.

360 Amory Blaine  Apr 19, 2014 9:13:03am
361 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:14:01am

re: #358 HappyWarrior

Bad enough as is that we see rape victims treated worse than their rapists.

Well, this is not new.

362 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 9:15:26am

re: #359 Lidane

This one isn’t really about crime, though: This particular push is yet another attempt to outflank Roe vs. Wade. The US Supreme Court has made fairly clear that it will not entertain frontal assaults on Roe at the present time, and so those whose passion for opposing abortion exceeds reason have responded by trying to outflank the decision by “proving” that lower-class women are “murdering their babies”.

“Crime” and social issues have a large role, but Roe vs. Wade remains the main target.

363 austin_blue  Apr 19, 2014 9:17:37am

re: #357 HappyWarrior

What disturbs me is how more and more reactionary they get. More and more you see Republican office holders/seekers who oppose abortion no exception as well as the opposition to equal pay for equal work. It’s why I’m deeply cynical about the Republican party moderating after Obama leaves. In the 80’s when the Dems were being clobbered at the polls, there was groundwork being done by people like Clinton to adapt the party. The Republican Party is changing for sure, it’s just getting more and more reactionary. The likely Republican nominee for Congress here is a guy who has twice said that Downs Syndrome is God’s punishment for abortion. He replaced another guy who said that he didn’t know how spousal rape was possible. That guy is my state senator.

Speaking of which, She Who Must Be Obeyed and I visited the Royal Botanic Gardens in Edinburgh last week. The place was full of Caucasian Wingnuts, which we found hilarious.

No, really:

en.wikipedia.org

364 Lidane  Apr 19, 2014 9:18:28am

re: #362 Dark_Falcon

I’m aware. But the only reason to make doctors report miscarriages is because they’re looking for someone to turn into a criminal.

And we both know that they won’t ever go after a middle or upper class white woman to do it.

365 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:18:29am
366 jaunte  Apr 19, 2014 9:18:35am

re: #330 Lidane

She sure did dance around on the straightforward question of whether she accepted the authority of the federal government.

367 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:19:52am

re: #364 Lidane

I’m aware. But the only reason to make doctors report miscarriages is because they’re looking for someone to turn into a criminal.

And we both know that they won’t ever go after a middle or upper class white woman to do it.

They have lawyers and will spend the money. City won’t approve anything that might cause them to spend money be seen on the news.

STrange how that works —huh?

368 Lidane  Apr 19, 2014 9:20:14am

re: #366 jaunte

She sure did dance around on the straightforward question of whether she accepted the authority of the federal government.

And she’s an elected official. She’s not some random whackaloon. People voted for her.

369 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 9:20:20am

re: #363 austin_blue

Speaking of which, She Who Must Be Obeyed and I visited the Royal Botanic Gardens in Edinburgh last week. The place was full of Caucasian Wingnuts, which we found hilarious.

No, really:

en.wikipedia.org

Ha! That’s funny.

370 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 9:22:20am

re: #368 Lidane

And she’s an elected official. She’s not some random whackaloon. People voted for her.

Most of these loons are. Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock were both elected officials when they made their comments regarding rape as is Bob Marshall(guy I mentioned who thinks Downs is a punishment for abortion). It’s easy to dismiss these guys as mere loons but they are not mere loons. They are loons with actual political bases. Same with that mayor in Missouri who said that shit about Miller’s ideas, this wasn’t some random wingnut with a misspelled sign, no this is a guy who runs a town.

371 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 9:24:00am

Chicken or egg first type question but who’s worse- The politician that says and does crazy shit or the people who nominate and elect them? Honest question. Depending on my mood and thought process, you could get me saying either.

372 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:24:22am
373 jaunte  Apr 19, 2014 9:24:28am

And after the interview, she drove back to Las Vegas on the Interstate.

374 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 19, 2014 9:24:35am

re: #364 Lidane

I’m aware. But the only reason to make doctors report miscarriages is because they’re looking for someone to turn into a criminal.

And we both know that they won’t ever go after a middle or upper class white woman to do it.

make women afraid to get pregnant. see where that leads

375 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 9:25:47am

re: #372 FemNaziBitch

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You ever see the one where the lion re-encounters the filmmakers? Think the lion’s name was Christian or something like that?

376 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 9:27:21am

We had a good conversation on this yesterday though about how anti-government people want all the trappings of a modern society but they don’t want to pay for it.

377 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 9:27:21am

re: #363 austin_blue

Speaking of which, She Who Must Be Obeyed and I visited the Royal Botanic Gardens in Edinburgh last week. The place was full of Caucasian Wingnuts, which we found hilarious.

No, really:

en.wikipedia.org

That’s hilarious!

378 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:27:35am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

You ever see the one where the lion re-encounters the filmmakers? Think the lion’s name was Christian or something like that?

Yeah.

I’d first make sure the cat is well fed and, if possible, declawed.

379 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:27:50am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

We had a good conversation on this yesterday though about how anti-government people want all the trappings of a modern society but they don’t want to pay for it.

I love me my hairdryer!!!!!

380 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:28:30am

My back is really happy we have paved roads, shock-absorbers and suspension systems on our vehicles —and most of all, no horse poop in the road.

381 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 9:29:33am

re: #378 FemNaziBitch

Yeah.

I’d first make sure the cat is well fed and, if possible, declawed.

Yeah and even then I’d be reluctant. Big cats declawed are still big cats.

382 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:32:03am

OREGON MOM WHO MURDERED SON SHE THOUGHT WAS GAY GETS 25 TO LIFE IN PRISON: VIDEO

This woman is seriously whacked.

I can’t imagine fearing something so much I’d kill my kid.

383 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:32:46am

re: #381 HappyWarrior

Yeah and even then I’d be reluctant. Big cats declawed are still big cats.

Well fed, I think would be the determining factor. I’d probably want to know it’s history as well..

384 Lidane  Apr 19, 2014 9:33:01am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

We had a good conversation on this yesterday though about how anti-government people want all the trappings of a modern society but they don’t want to pay for it.

Magical thinking. It’s no coincidence that they’re the same folks who think that the world was created out of whole cloth in its present form 6000 years ago.

They live in a fantasy world. America industrialized itself without government intervention. The interstate highway system was built without taxpayer money. Private citizens can threaten to shoot law enforcement if they’re white and defending a deadbeat who hasn’t paid what he owes for a few decades. Slavery would have ended on its own without a war. Jim Crow laws would have ended because people would have voted to end them. Etc.

385 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 19, 2014 9:33:06am

re: #382 FemNaziBitch

OREGON MOM WHO MURDERED SON SHE THOUGHT WAS GAY GETS 25 TO LIFE IN PRISON: VIDEO

This woman is seriously whacked.

I can’t imagine fearing something so much I’d kill my kid.

when god tells you to, you must follow

386 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:34:01am

re: #385 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

when god tells you to, you must follow

FUCK!

387 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 9:35:12am

re: #384 Lidane

Magical thinking. It’s no coincidence that they’re the same folks who think that the world was created out of whole cloth in its present form 6000 years ago.

They live in a fantasy world. America industrialized itself without government intervention. The interstate highway system was built without taxpayer money. Private citizens can threaten to shoot law enforcement if they’re white and defending a deadbeat who hasn’t paid what he owes for a few decades. Slavery would have ended on its own without a war. Jim Crow laws would have ended because people would have voted to end them. Etc.

And the federal government had nothing ot do with the abolishment of slavery or my personal favorite slavery and Jim Crow would have just died out naturally.it’s a special kind of delusion that comes with taking for granted the fights for progress made in the past. I can’t tell you how many times I hear “Unions once had a use but they’re not needed anymore.”

388 jaunte  Apr 19, 2014 9:35:15am

re: #384 Lidane

They live in a fantasy world.

Being able to drop everything and drive off to a different state to pursue a hobby for a few weeks without worrying about a job is a kind of fantasy existence.

389 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 19, 2014 9:35:20am
390 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:36:01am

re: #372 FemNaziBitch

Still, I really like the pic. The puddy’s face is soooo cute.

391 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:37:20am

re: #388 jaunte

Being able to drop everything and drive off to a different state to pursue a hobby for a few weeks without worrying about a job is a kind of fantasy existence.

I thought that was something you did when you retired?

Grandchildren being the hobby :)

392 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 9:39:05am

...

393 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:39:42am

This Map Shows Just How Quickly America Has Embraced Marijuana

There was a time I was so against this I could scream.

My only answer is that Pain changes one.

394 Lidane  Apr 19, 2014 9:39:46am
395 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 9:40:00am

The very word “wingnut” makes me break out in paroxysms of laughter. : )

I’m so beyond trying to understand anyone who starts spouting off thsy kind of bullshit, so I just laugh at them. There is no “understanding” the real diehards; they will never change, their minds are set in concrete.

It’s when they start getting elected and (a) they really are stupid, like Fiore or Walsh, et al, or (b) they’re too clever by half and smarter than they appear, like Cruz, and are just pandering for votes, that I get mad as hell at the total ignorance of those who elect them. And that’s what makes me fearful—that in spite of voters allegedly getting out of HS and maybe even college, they can’t see past their own racism, sexism, and reactionary views and stop electing these people.

396 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 9:40:57am

re: #393 FemNaziBitch

This Map Shows Just How Quickly America Has Embraced Marijuana

There was a time I was so against this I could scream.

My only answer is that Pain changes one.

That along with the growth for SSM has been one of the most wonderful things to happen the past 5-10 years. I remember being among the few people in my 12th grade class to be openly for SSM and outright marijuana legalization. Needless to say, I don’t look so radical anymore.

397 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:42:07am
398 Lidane  Apr 19, 2014 9:42:58am

re: #387 HappyWarrior

I can’t tell you how many times I hear “Unions once had a use but they’re not needed anymore.”

Which is usually said by someone who either has a white collar job or who has risen to an executive level in their career. I’ve had that argument with friends, with them telling me about all the shitty union people they used to know Back In The Day and how lazy and corrupt they all were and how unions are a thing of the past.

399 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 19, 2014 9:43:46am

re: #397 FemNaziBitch

7-year-old twin boys fend off Texas carjacker with fists and a rubber snake

would’ve been so much easier if he had been armed…

400 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 9:44:19am

re: #385 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

when god tells you to, you must follow

Read about that yesterday. She was 25 and already had 4 kids; the 8 yr old daughter gave evidence that the woman and her boyfriend beat the 4 yr old up. There is evidence that another boy has several broken ribs, so it’s pretty certain that they all were beaten.

These people don’t deserve to ever see those poor children again, and I hope the kids can get over what they’ve been through. It makes me so damned sad to hear these things and makes me wonder if child abuse has gotten worse because of other factors than authoritarian parents.

401 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 19, 2014 9:45:23am

re: #399 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

would’ve been so much easier if he had been armed…

They were armed…with a rubber snake!

402 HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2014 9:45:25am

re: #398 Lidane

Which is usually said by someone who either has a white collar job or who has risen to an executive level in their career. I’ve had that argument with friends, with them telling me about all the shitty union people they used to know Back In The Day and how lazy and corrupt they all were and how unions are a thing of the past.

Yep, pretty much. My favorite thing is seeing Republican governors like Nikki Haley “declare war on unions”. Yeah declaring war on unions when they’re at their weakest in modern history and in a state that has never had a strong union presence is sooo courageous and yeah I’m sick of hearing about “lazy union workers” too. Still love the bumper sticker about the unions being the folks that brought you the weekend. We take so much for granted as a society especially in regards to things regarding our jobs.

403 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 19, 2014 9:46:14am

re: #400 Justanotherhuman

…These people don’t deserve to ever see those poor children again, and I hope the kids can get over what they’ve been through. It makes me so damned sad to hear these things and makes me wonder if child abuse has gotten worse because of other factors than authoritarian parents.

One should also look into the people who influenced here: a pastor, preacher or “counselor” who planted and nurtured these twisted views in her mind. Preying on the sick.

404 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:47:27am

re: #401 NJDhockeyfan

They were armed…with a rubber snake!

Don’t bring a rubber snake to a … . .

405 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:47:52am

re: #403 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

One should also look into the people who influenced here: a pastor, preacher or “counselor” who planted and nurtured these twisted views in her mind. Preying on the sick.

Certainly sounds like some brainwashing was involved at some level.

406 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 9:48:24am

re: #399 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

would’ve been so much easier if he had been armed…

Who, the thug? Maybe he was, but even most crooks understand that shooting a child will piss off the police to a deadly degree.

407 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 9:49:56am

re: #403 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

One should also look into the people who influenced here: a pastor, preacher or “counselor” who planted and nurtured these twisted views in her mind. Preying on the sick.

Do we know that it was one of them or just the boyfriend? You’d be surprised at how many women expect a man who is not father to their children to “discipline” or otherwise deal with their children. It’s very common, and many times it ends up tragically, like this.

I see those stories and want to scream that these women can get dick anywhere—it’s finding a man who will treat their kids right that’s so difficult.

408 Killgore Trout  Apr 19, 2014 9:50:27am

re: #320 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Using religion as a cover to behave like thugs and kidnappers. Wonder where they learned that trick?

A guy named Mohammed Yusuf

409 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 9:51:47am

re: #407 Justanotherhuman

Do we know that it was one of them or just the boyfriend? You’d be surprised at how many women expect a man who is not father to their children to “discipline” or otherwise deal with their children. It’s very common, and many times it ends up tragically, like this.

I see those stories and want to scream that these women can get dick anywhere—it’s finding a man who will treat their kids right that’s so difficult.

They are not looking for dick. They don’t want to grow-up, they want a sugar daddy.

410 Lidane  Apr 19, 2014 9:52:35am
411 Eventual Carrion  Apr 19, 2014 9:52:54am

Bought my first batch of local made maple syrup last night from some friends that make up 30 - 40 gallon a year. Good stuff. Give them $10 for a pint.

412 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 19, 2014 9:55:04am

re: #411 Eventual Carrion

Bought my first batch of local made maple syrup last night from some friends that make up 30 - 40 gallon a year. Good stuff. Give them $10 for a pint.

more expensive than good whiskey!

413 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 19, 2014 9:55:12am
414 Eventual Carrion  Apr 19, 2014 9:59:46am

re: #412 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

more expensive than good whiskey!

Without the hangover (if you ignore the belly hangover the belt from eating too much of the sweet stuff). I give my mom some for her to make cookies too. Like molasses cookies but with maple syrup, more good stuff.

415 Killgore Trout  Apr 19, 2014 10:01:55am

re: #413 NJDhockeyfan

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It’s a water cannon/spray thingy

416 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 10:04:32am

re: #413 NJDhockeyfan

That writer, and the article he links to, both have severely anti-Israel mentalities. There’s nothing wrong with Israel using remote-controlled weapons as long as they are not misused.

417 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 19, 2014 10:04:43am

re: #415 Killgore Trout

It’s a water cannon/spray thingy

It would work great for washing my car.

418 austin_blue  Apr 19, 2014 10:05:01am

re: #415 Killgore Trout

It’s a water cannon/spray thingy

Yup, a .50 caliber auto-water-cannon.

419 Gus  Apr 19, 2014 10:05:29am

re: #415 Killgore Trout

It’s a water cannon/spray thingy

Nope. Death ray. Alien death ray!

420 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 19, 2014 10:06:39am

re: #418 austin_blue

Yup, a .50 caliber auto-water juice-cannon.

421 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 10:07:34am

And now I really do need to get going.

422 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 19, 2014 10:07:51am
423 Killgore Trout  Apr 19, 2014 10:09:25am

re: #417 NJDhockeyfan

It would work great for washing my car.

Zionist cleansing power!

424 Gus  Apr 19, 2014 10:10:51am

re: #423 Killgore Trout

Zionist cleansing power!

Sodastream™ Gun

425 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 10:12:42am

WHAT —I missed this.

426 Amory Blaine  Apr 19, 2014 10:14:12am

Doesn’t look like an Ibiza foam cannon!

427 Mattand  Apr 19, 2014 10:17:14am

re: #384 Lidane

Magical thinking. It’s no coincidence that they’re the same folks who think that the world was created out of whole cloth in its present form 6000 years ago.

They live in a fantasy world. America industrialized itself without government intervention. The interstate highway system was built without taxpayer money. Private citizens can threaten to shoot law enforcement if they’re white and defending a deadbeat who hasn’t paid what he owes for a few decades. Slavery would have ended on its own without a war. Jim Crow laws would have ended because people would have voted to end them. Etc.

This is a brilliant critique of the current conservative mindset, and the bolded is a spot-on description of the Bundy Ranch fiasco.

428 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2014 10:17:55am

re: #398 Lidane

Which is usually said by someone who either has a white collar job or who has risen to an executive level in their career. I’ve had that argument with friends, with them telling me about all the shitty union people they used to know Back In The Day and how lazy and corrupt they all were and how unions are a thing of the past.

Sadly, it is also often said by people stuck in crappy deadend no-union jobs.

429 kirkspencer  Apr 19, 2014 10:18:16am

re: #408 Killgore Trout

A guy named Mohammed Yusuf

Oh, please. Like he was the first - or that muslims led the way.

430 Gus  Apr 19, 2014 10:18:20am

Yes, it’s a water canon type device capable of spraying dispersal agents. I actually got Mondoweiss to update their story. Started with Arab language stories. Now a lot of people think it’s a MACHINE GUN which it’s not. You can even tell by looking at it.

431 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 19, 2014 10:19:05am

re: #425 FemNaziBitch

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WHAT —I missed this.

Hobby Lobby owns stock in the company that manufactures Plan B

This is where the whole “freedom of religion” argument falls apart…everyone is free to interpret their holy scriptures as they wish, but the law is there for us all.

432 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 19, 2014 10:19:27am

re: #424 Gus

SodastreamTM Gun

Youtube Video

433 Gus  Apr 19, 2014 10:20:51am

re: #432 NJDhockeyfan

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Better get BDS on this right away!

434 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 10:23:41am
435 Amory Blaine  Apr 19, 2014 10:26:32am

I bought an insert for my sodastream to hook up a regular tank. Works nice and actually makes it (kind of) economical.

POSTing from my incredibly underpowered tablet.

436 Killgore Trout  Apr 19, 2014 10:30:41am

re: #429 kirkspencer

Oh, please. Like he was the first - or that muslims led the way.

Potato

437 Gus  Apr 19, 2014 10:35:11am

Test-ing

438 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 19, 2014 10:35:42am

Don’t look down!

439 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 10:37:52am

Surprised the woman with the green scarf got in.

440 kirkspencer  Apr 19, 2014 10:38:21am

re: #436 Killgore Trout

Potato

Ah. Sorry, my mistake, I didn’t realize you were bored and trolling again.

441 Gus  Apr 19, 2014 10:39:05am

Posting from incredibly horrible VirginMobile2Go.

442 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 10:39:25am

re: #438 NJDhockeyfan

Don’t look down!

[Embedded content]

That made my feet hurt…

443 Amory Blaine  Apr 19, 2014 10:40:34am

re: #441 Gus

Grrr. I’m on Verizon today.

444 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 10:41:00am

Posting from ancient Compaq w/Windows XP…

445 Killgore Trout  Apr 19, 2014 10:42:02am

The war on TV show hosts continues

Famous television host in Pakistan shot by gunmen

Senior police officer Pir Mohammad Shah says a single gunman first opened fire on Mir’s car, followed by others who chased him on motorcycles. Karachi police chief Shahid Hayat told Geo that Mir suffered three gunshot wounds to the stomach and the upper legs, but was expected to survive.

Last year, authorities found a bomb under Mir’s car.

446 Killgore Trout  Apr 19, 2014 10:44:53am

More info: Hamid Mir wounded in Pakistan gun attack

Mr Mir’s brother, a leading investigative journalist, has accused the country’s intelligence agency, the ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence), of orchestrating the attack, reports the BBC’s Shahzeb Jillani, in Karachi.

According to his brother, Mr Mir had recently told family and colleagues that he had received threats from the ISI because of his political views.

In 2012, the Pakistani Taliban tried to kill Mr Mir by planting half a kilogram (1lb) of explosives under his car outside his home in the capital, Islamabad.

But the remote-controlled bomb failed to go off.

The Taliban had threatened Mr Mir and other journalists for their coverage of the militants’ shooting of schoolgirl Malala Yousafzai.

447 Mattand  Apr 19, 2014 10:46:13am

re: #440 kirkspencer

Ah. Sorry, my mistake, I didn’t realize you were bored and trolling again.

He’s not saying it was Muslims…

but it was Muslims.

From the Bill Maher “I don’t think all Muslims are bloodthirsty zealots, but here’s why they are” school of idiocy.

448 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 10:46:34am

WAs going to get in my big bath tub. Kid got into the shower. Now I’ll have to wait an hour for their to be enough hot water to fill the tub.

oy vey

1st world problems.

449 Killgore Trout  Apr 19, 2014 10:47:21am

You will never be this cool
A 13-year-old eagle huntress in Mongolia (pics)

450 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 10:48:02am
451 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 10:48:26am

re: #449 Killgore Trout

You will never be this cool
A 13-year-old eagle huntress in Mongolia (pics)

I saw that here the other day.

She is so freaking awesome. No Katniss can compare.

452 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2014 10:53:29am

re: #412 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

more expensive than good whiskey!

about the same price for the really great local moonshine.

453 thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2014 10:57:41am

Afternoon Lizardim.

454 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 10:57:47am

Get the rabbit habit.

Image: cute_rabbits_40-s700x525-120421-580.jpg

I got my grandkids rabbits once. A lady gave them to us outside a vet’s—a beautiful all white and a white with black markings. She said she found them on the road. So we took them home, built a hutch, etc but the kids left the door open and they took off a few weeks later. I hope they did OK. We had wild rabbits which were brown and much smaller around, but these were special.

Now I have only a ceramic rabbit (a lop-eared reading a book) on a table and another one on the balcony.

455 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 19, 2014 10:58:54am
456 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 11:01:49am

re: #455 NJDhockeyfan

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Oh, I knew there was a reason I never had a cat. : ) Dogs? Plenty.

457 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 11:03:39am

re: #449 Killgore Trout

You will never be this cool
A 13-year-old eagle huntress in Mongolia (pics)

I think “hunter” is the word you want. It’s gender-neutral in and of itself.

458 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 11:07:52am
459 Timothy Watson  Apr 19, 2014 11:09:18am

re: #449 Killgore Trout

You will never be this cool
A 13-year-old eagle huntress in Mongolia (pics)

She needs a guest spot on “Game of Thrones” next season.

460 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2014 11:10:07am

E-filed my federal & state return on Saturday.
Big federal refund and smallish state debit hit my checking account on Friday.
Life is good.

461 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 11:10:39am

So, can a cat.

462 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 11:11:03am

re: #459 Timothy Watson

She needs a guest spot on “Game of Thrones” next season.

I can see that.

463 Lidane  Apr 19, 2014 11:11:35am

re: #458 FemNaziBitch

464 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 19, 2014 11:14:24am
465 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 11:17:41am
466 bratwurst  Apr 19, 2014 11:20:23am

re: #465 FemNaziBitch

Every time Fox and other right-wing media freak out over Reid, it is funny to consider that if they hadn’t empowered the batshit crazy wing of the GOP in Nevada to nominate a lunatic to run against him, Reid would now be spending his days on his ranch with his grandchildren.

467 Lidane  Apr 19, 2014 11:20:35am

re: #464 NJDhockeyfan

468 Eventual Carrion  Apr 19, 2014 11:24:06am

re: #458 FemNaziBitch

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And that is exactly why they don’t warn us about earthquakes.

That and toast.

469 kirkspencer  Apr 19, 2014 11:24:16am

re: #465 FemNaziBitch

The … I started to say problem, but I think issue might be a better word choice, is that when a senator uses a legal term to describe someone it approaches put-up-or-shut-up time.

It’s an accusation of a crime, and failure to at least attempt following through can lead to civil consequences.

Now I’d like to see the follow through anyway. It is (along with the a-holes who use terror against women’s health clinics that offer or support abortion as an option) domestic terrorism. It would, I think, force those a-holes to realize just how much of a minority they really are. Oh, sure there are a lot of people who nominally agree. But when push comes to shove they’re not willing to cross that particular line.

470 Lidane  Apr 19, 2014 11:24:36am

re: #466 bratwurst

Every time Fox and other right-wing media freak out over Reid, it is funny to consider that if they hadn’t empowered the batshit crazy wing of the GOP to nominate a lunatic to run against him, Reid would now be spending his days on his ranch with his grandchildren.

That’s the best part, IMO. Reid is entirely beatable. There would most likely be a GOP Senator in his place right now if the RWNJs hadn’t taken over the Republican party and nominated Sharron Angle. They pretty much gave Reid the win.

471 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 11:24:44am

Hobby Lobby owners think it’s just fine if they MAKE MONEY from contraception and get cheap products to sell at a profit from countries that mandate abortion, they just don’t want pay for it.

Money is proof God Loves Them.

got it.

472 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 11:26:20am

re: #469 kirkspencer

The … I started to say problem, but I think issue might be a better word choice, is that when a senator uses a legal term to describe someone it approaches put-up-or-shut-up time.

It’s an accusation of a crime, and failure to at least attempt following through can lead to civil consequences.

Now I’d like to see the follow through anyway. It is (along with the a-holes who use terror against women’s health clinics that offer or support abortion as an option) domestic terrorism. It would, I think, force those a-holes to realize just how much of a minority they really are. Oh, sure there are a lot of people who nominally agree. But when push comes to shove they’re not willing to cross that particular line.

Wait, you mean it’s Ok for a GOP legislator to use legal terms, but not Democrats?

don’t ask for examples, I have to go soon.

But, I think you know what I mean.

473 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 11:27:43am

Bastards.

Nigeria’s Boko Haram Islamic extremists claim blast that killed 75 people in capital Abuja - @AP
end of alert

474 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2014 11:28:01am

bbl

475 thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2014 11:28:09am

re: #471 FemNaziBitch

Money is proof God Loves Them.

got it.

There are a disturbing number of Christians who think this way. It really bugs me.

476 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 11:28:41am

That was not the avalanche that killed those Sherpas. Why do people pull shit like that?

Editor’s note: @AFP has deleted a tweet with a photo that purported to show the avalanche that killed sherpas near Mount Everest. The image appears to have been pulled from a now-viral file video circulating that shows a different avalanche, according to @Hoont. We’ve also removed the image from our site. - Aaron
end of note

477 Timothy Watson  Apr 19, 2014 11:29:22am

re: #469 kirkspencer

“Domestic terrorism” means activities with the following three characteristics:

Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;

Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and

Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

fbi.gov

478 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 11:32:25am

re: #475 thedopefishlives

There are a disturbing number of Christians who think this way. It really bugs me.

They are “stand up”, “above reproach”, have the best “morals” because they fill pews every Sunday, ad nauseam.

Fools, don’t you understand that they deserve all the money? The “prosperity gospel” and its imitators tells them so, in spite of the teachings that the man so objectified by them didn’t have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

479 Stanley Sea  Apr 19, 2014 11:33:08am

re: #476 Justanotherhuman

That was not the avalanche that killed those Sherpas. Why do people pull shit like that?

Editor’s note: @AFP has deleted a tweet with a photo that purported to show the avalanche that killed sherpas near Mount Everest. The image appears to have been pulled from a now-viral file video circulating that shows a different avalanche, according to @Hoont. We’ve also removed the image from our site. - Aaron
end of note

I saw it and questioned it. It was an avalanche in the ice fall. A big huge chunk of ice broke off. Doubt anyone had time to film it.

alpineascents.com

cnn.com

480 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 11:36:01am

re: #479 Stanley Sea

I saw it and questioned it. It was an avalanche in the ice fall. A big huge chunk of ice broke off. Doubt anyone had time to film it.

alpineascents.com

cnn.com

Yes, this.

en.wikipedia.org

481 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2014 11:39:34am

Documents detail another delayed GM recall

bigstory.ap.org

DETROIT (AP) — Government documents show that General Motors waited years to recall nearly 335,000 Saturn Ions for power steering failures despite getting thousands of consumer complaints and warranty repair claims.

“Additionally, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration didn’t seek a recall of the 2004-2007 compact cars even though it opened an investigation more than two years ago. The government’s auto safety watchdog found the problem caused 12 crashes and two injuries.

“The documents, posted on the NHTSA’s website Saturday, show yet another delay by GM in recalling unsafe vehicles. It’s also another example of government regulators reacting slowly to a safety problem despite being alerted by consumers and the company’s warranty data.” More

482 Romantic Heretic  Apr 19, 2014 11:40:58am

re: #385 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

when god tells you to, you must follow

The problem with that is that the Devil can quote scripture, or appear as an angel of light.

And idiots like that woman are easy to lie to.

483 thedopefishlives  Apr 19, 2014 11:43:18am

re: #478 Justanotherhuman

They are “stand up”, “above reproach”, have the best “morals” because they fill pews every Sunday, ad nauseam.

Fools, don’t you understand that they deserve all the money? The “prosperity gospel” and its imitators tells them so, in spite of the teachings that the man so objectified by them didn’t have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

I’ve seen homeless people with better morals than most pew-warming douchecanoes.

484 Ming  Apr 19, 2014 11:46:59am

re: #382 FemNaziBitch

OREGON MOM WHO MURDERED SON SHE THOUGHT WAS GAY GETS 25 TO LIFE IN PRISON: VIDEO

This woman is seriously whacked.

I can’t imagine fearing something so much I’d kill my kid.

re: #385 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

when god tells you to, you must follow

This is an area where unfortunately it’s easy to offend people. But if a person identifies themselves as belonging to a particular religion, I’m fascinated with the idea of to what extent he or she REALLY BELIEVES ideas that are associated with that same religion.

The obvious examples are verses from the Bible or the Koran. I’m sure we can all think of plenty of “interesting” verses, and many of us would shake our heads or have a good laugh, but what if someone REALLY takes them SERIOUSLY?

When I hear a terrible story like the one about the “mother” in Oregon, all that really matters is the tragedy of the son, but I view this as a caution that REAL BELIEF in BAD IDEAS can have bad consequences.

(Trying not to offend, but think about the following in terms of REALLY REALLY REALLY believing them: (a) I’m a member of God’s chosen people, (b) the world will end in the next few decades with an apocalypse in the Middle East, (c) if I detonate this bomb vest when on a bus filled with nonbelievers, I’ll go to paradise, and I’ll be able to invite my family to join me.)

485 makeitstop  Apr 19, 2014 1:29:03pm

re: #438 NJDhockeyfan

Don’t look down!

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Aww, hell no.

486 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 19, 2014 2:01:59pm

re: #328 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Angry Wasp DispenserTM — the perfect gift for those you hate! Now only $19.95 with this special TV offer!

Not to be confused with the Angry WASP Collector - better known as the Tea Party Caucus.
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