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1 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 10:24:54am
2 Lidane  Apr 25, 2014 10:29:45am
3 Skip Intro  Apr 25, 2014 10:30:44am

So it’s going to be that kind of day.

I almost got T-boned by a guy on a bike running a stop sign while talking on his cell phone.

4 Skip Intro  Apr 25, 2014 10:33:04am

re: #2 Lidane

I see Fox “News” has gotten the party line out to all the stooges to spout.

Bill O’Reilly: Conservative Media Shouldn’t Have Rushed to Back Cliven Bundy

littlegreenfootballs.com

5 Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2014 10:36:19am

re: #4 Skip Intro

I see Fox “News” has gotten the party line out to all the stooges to spout.

>Bill O’Reilly: Conservative Media Shouldn’t Have Rushed to Back Cliven Bundy

littlegreenfootballs.com

Physician, heal thyself.

6 lawhawk  Apr 25, 2014 10:37:59am

Hannity ate up the story so hard, Bundy should have charged him grazing fees.

HEH!

7 Gus  Apr 25, 2014 10:38:21am
8 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 25, 2014 10:38:29am

re: #6 lawhawk

Hannity ate up the story so hard, Bundy should have charged him grazing fees.

HEH!

WIN!

9 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 25, 2014 10:40:04am

so got the Wt Auf Pz E 100 in world of tanks. If that thing had actually been made on a large scale we might all be speaking german. Fortunately it just came from the minds of Wargaming and never was actually made.

10 Lidane  Apr 25, 2014 10:40:31am

Heh.

11 b.d.  Apr 25, 2014 10:41:02am

JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE A RACIST DOESN’T MEAN THAT YOU ARE A RACIST!!1!

12 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 10:41:42am

Cliven and Sean go together like Klu and Klux.

HA!

13 klys  Apr 25, 2014 10:41:48am

re: #10 Lidane

Just maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe they shouldn’t have all rushed to embrace him then?

I mean, when you hug a ball of tar, unsurprisingly, it sticks to you.

14 Lidane  Apr 25, 2014 10:43:25am

And just so the dudebros won’t feel neglected:

15 GeneJockey  Apr 25, 2014 10:45:55am

re: #13 klys

Just maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe they shouldn’t have all rushed to embrace him then?

I mean, when you hug a ball of tar, unsurprisingly, it sticks to you.

I’d be interested to see how the folks who love them some Charles Kraphammer feel about his comment, “Do I have the right to go in to graze sheep in Central Park? I think not. You have to have some respect for the federal government, some respect for our system. And to say you don’t and you don’t recognize it and that makes you a conservative hero, to me, is completely contradictory, and rather appalling.”

Blind pig, acorn, and all that, but I could see this being a big wedge for the Right. Half of them are running from Bundy not only because of the racism but also the anarchism, while the other half embrace him all the tighter for the same exact reasons.

16 Varek Raith  Apr 25, 2014 10:47:27am

Rofl.

17 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 10:48:19am
18 thecommodore  Apr 25, 2014 10:48:31am

There is already a Ballad of Cliven Bundy, sort of.

So tell me, are YOU heading to Bunkerville?

Youtube Video

19 Skip Intro  Apr 25, 2014 10:50:15am

re: #10 Lidane

Funny, since until yesterday you could hardly peel them away from him.

Maybe they lumped themselves?

20 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 25, 2014 10:50:18am

Somali gunmen in Mogadishu back in the 90’s had a habit of shooting from behind or even underneath women who were serving as shields (and sometimes even directing fire). I saw an image of one guy shooting from between a woman’s legs while she pointed out targets to him.

I guess that is what the militia were going to try to do here…create a PR nightmare for law enforcement (potentially dozens of dead women who had no weapons actually on them) while the LE are getting hammered by sniper fire and hundreds of guys with assault rifles at close range.

Thank God these folks in the BLM were smart enough to not play into this narrative. I have no doubt that the militia was actually intending to fight for real, and mass female and children casualties could generate an actual armed insurgency in the south and southwest. They have been primed for this moment for decades…and I do not believe some of the progressives at Balloon Juice who deride them all as armchair warriors with little dick syndrome.

These guys want to fight…and there are enough armed RWNJ’s out there to present a real problem.

21 Skip Intro  Apr 25, 2014 10:52:19am

re: #20 Aunty Entity Dragon

I guess that is what the militia were going to try to do here…create a PR nightmare for law enforcement (potentially dozens of dead women who had no weapons actually on them) while the LE are getting hammered by sniper fire and hundreds of guys with assault rifles at close range.

And the right wing supported them 100% on doing this.

You’re completely right about this being a real problem. Someday, 1, 5 or 10 years from now these heavily armed loons are going to stage an attack on the government. It’s all but inevitable now.

22 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 10:52:37am
23 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 25, 2014 10:54:37am

re: #22 Kragar

Nothing in the Bible about physics and chemistry. Witchcraft!

24 nines09  Apr 25, 2014 10:55:02am

re: #17 Kragar

They are just upset that Bundy had a microphone put in his face and proceeded to educate us all . Cilven Bundy IS the GOP/TP. All yours. All. Yours. Sweet isn’t it?

25 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 25, 2014 10:55:03am

re: #22 Kragar

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Actually there is something in the Bible about public education, I think it’s in Kings or Chronicles, one of the rulers (Hezekiah?) ordered the scholars to go forth throughout the land and establish academies for men, women and children.

Have to look it up when I get home.

26 nines09  Apr 25, 2014 10:55:49am

re: #22 Kragar

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Nothing about chemotherapy either.

27 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 25, 2014 10:56:07am

re: #9 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

so got the Wt Auf Pz E 100 in world of tanks. If that thing had actually been made on a large scale we might all be speaking german. Fortunately it just came from the minds of Wargaming and never was actually made.

A 100-ton tank would have been even more of a liability than the King Tiger was. Large scale production by Germany in the 44-45 period out of the question, and it’s operational mobility would have been pitifully small.

World of Tanks probably makes it look good since that allows you to ignore all the logistical and other issues that would have severely limited its actual usefulness on a battlefield.

28 Bulworth  Apr 25, 2014 10:56:34am

Lidane posted:

And just so the dudebros won’t feel neglected

What’s wrong with Hillary? I mean, how can releasing classified information be a crime? And then defecting, I mean, going to the only free place in the world to hide?

//

29 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 25, 2014 10:56:52am

re: #24 nines09

They are just upset that Bundy had a microphone put in his face and proceeded to educate us all . Cilven Bundy IS the GOP/TP. All yours. All. Yours. Sweet isn’t it?

I saw idiots in the comments at New Republic (ten minutes ago, in fact) insisting that the video of Bundy’s comments proved he wasn’t racist and that the NYT had doctored everything.

Words fail me.

30 Gus  Apr 25, 2014 10:57:11am

re: #14 Lidane

And just so the dudebros won’t feel neglected:

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Yep. Again, this is funded by MoJo.

31 GeneJockey  Apr 25, 2014 10:58:23am

re: #20 Aunty Entity Dragon

Somali gunmen in Mogadishu back in the 90’s had a habit of shooting from behind or even underneath women who were serving as shields (and sometimes even directing fire). I saw an image of one guy shooting from between a woman’s legs while she pointed out targets to him.

I guess that is what the militia were going to try to do here…create a PR nightmare for law enforcement (potentially dozens of dead women who had no weapons actually on them) while the LE are getting hammered by sniper fire and hundreds of guys with assault rifles at close range.

Thank God these folks in the BLM were smart enough to not play into this narrative. I have no doubt that the militia was actually intending to fight for real, and mass female and children casualties could generate an actual armed insurgency in the south and southwest. They have been primed for this moment for decades…and I do not believe some of the progressives at Balloon Juice who deride them all as armchair warriors with little dick syndrome.

These guys want to fight…and these enough armed RWNJ’s out there to present a real problem.

My experience on a hunting forum was that, although a lot of the wingnuts there had served in the military, the ones who actually served in combat were never the ones calling for violence. And the combat veterans also never gave anyone shit for not having served.

It was always the guys who put in a couple years during peacetime, or stateside who did the posturing.

32 Mattand  Apr 25, 2014 10:58:30am

re: #29 Aunty Entity Dragon

I saw idiots in the comments at New Republic (ten minutes ago, in fact) insisting that the video of Bundy’s comments proved he wasn’t racist and that the NYT had doctored everything.

Words fail me.

Isn’t New Republic supposed to be one of the adults in the conservative world? Or am I thinking of another site/magazine?

33 nines09  Apr 25, 2014 10:58:38am

re: #29 Aunty Entity Dragon

It’s a cult. No other explanation. None. Zero.

34 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2014 10:59:31am

re: #30 Gus

True, but Mother Jones has actually been very even-handed in their Snowden coverage; much less sycophantic fawning than sites like Techcrunch and Wired, and plenty of outright criticism too.

35 Bulworth  Apr 25, 2014 10:59:53am

Gene Jockey posted:

I’d be interested to see how the folks who love them some Charles Kraphammer feel about his comment, “Do I have the right to go in to graze sheep in Central Park? I think not. You have to have some respect for the federal government, some respect for our system.”

Kraphammer is an authoritarian loving, croc-wearing, lickspickle. /

36 GeneJockey  Apr 25, 2014 11:00:06am

re: #32 Mattand

Isn’t New Republic supposed to be one of the adults in the conservative world? Or am I thinking of another site/magazine?

That’s the writers. The commenters are the same shitheads that populate every place where they’re not specifically, and rigourously, culled.

37 makeitstop  Apr 25, 2014 11:00:10am

re: #18 thecommodore

There is already a Ballad of Cliven Bundy, sort of.

So tell me, are YOU heading to Bunkerville?

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Larger

That sucked.

38 Dr. Matt  Apr 25, 2014 11:01:02am

re: #22 Kragar

There’s no internet in the bible! SHUT IT DOWN!!!!

39 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 25, 2014 11:02:04am

re: #27 Feline Fearless Leader

A 100-ton tank would have been even more of a liability than the King Tiger was. Large scale production by Germany in the 44-45 period out of the question, and it’s operational mobility would have been pitifully small.

World of Tanks probably makes it look good since that allows you to ignore all the logistical and other issues that would have severely limited its actual usefulness on a battlefield.

I could see it being useful (if it could have moved). It basically has the chassis of the E-100 but has a 128mm Autoloading Anti-aircraft style gun on a rear mount. It decimates targets at range but if spotted (and believe me it’s hard to miss) an HE shell takes out the turret and a large number of the crew.

It definitely is a blast to play once you suspend disbelief.

40 Bulworth  Apr 25, 2014 11:02:13am
Wallace told radio host and Fox News contributor Mike Gallagher, “some of your colleagues on the conservative side jumped on this bandwagon way too quickly, way too — and, you know, I’ve never quite understood why this guy was a hero.”

Because Freedom and shutup. /

41 Gus  Apr 25, 2014 11:02:37am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

True, but Mother Jones has actually been very even-handed in their Snowden coverage; much less sycophantic fawning than sites like Techcrunch and Wired, and plenty of outright criticism too.

Different audience.

42 Skip Intro  Apr 25, 2014 11:02:44am

re: #35 Bulworth

Gene Jockey posted:

Kraphammer is an authoritarian loving, croc-wearing, lickspickle. /

He’s also having orgasms about the recent Supremes decision to uphold Michigan’s AA ban.

43 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 25, 2014 11:03:42am

re: #27 Feline Fearless Leader

A 100-ton tank would have been even more of a liability than the King Tiger was. Large scale production by Germany in the 44-45 period out of the question, and it’s operational mobility would have been pitifully small.

World of Tanks probably makes it look good since that allows you to ignore all the logistical and other issues that would have severely limited its actual usefulness on a battlefield.

That tank was useless in France and Western/Northern Europe. Too big. Too heavy. Bridges could not withstand the weight. Country was heavily wooded, limiting it’s already limited mobility and the 88 mm gun on the jagdpanther and the Tiger could already handle everything. There is a reason why we sent less then 100 M103 heavy tanks to Europe during the Cold War…super big tanks with power issues need unobstructed plains to operate on to have any chance of doing something useful.

44 GeneJockey  Apr 25, 2014 11:03:57am

re: #38 Dr. Matt

There’s no internet in the bible! SHUT IT DOWN!!!!

So, on the one hand they want the country governed like an 18th Century agrarian republic, and on the other like a -4th Century nomadic tribe, and they think these are the best ways to run a 21st Century post-industrial nation.

45 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 11:05:10am

re: #39 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I could see it being useful (if it could have moved). It basically has the chassis of the E-100 but has a 128mm Autoloading Anti-aircraft style gun on a rear mount. It decimates targets at range but if spotted (and believe me it’s hard to miss) an HE shell takes out the turret and a large number of the crew.

It definitely is a blast to play once you suspend disbelief.

Needs more Baneblade

46 Mattand  Apr 25, 2014 11:05:22am

re: #36 GeneJockey

That’s the writers. The commenters are the same shitheads that populate every place where they’re not specifically, and rigourously, culled.

Certainly speaks volumes about your average rank-and-file conservative, in that even the respectable conservative site can’t control them.

47 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2014 11:05:32am

Youtube Video

48 Eventual Carrion  Apr 25, 2014 11:05:41am

re: #26 nines09

Nothing about chemotherapy either.

Lotta begat’n though

49 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 25, 2014 11:07:01am

re: #31 GeneJockey

My experience on a hunting forum was that, although a lot of the wingnuts there had served in the military, the ones who actually served in combat were never the ones calling for violence. And the combat veterans also never gave anyone shit for not having served.

It was always the guys who put in a couple years during peacetime, or stateside who did the posturing.

You see a lot of posturing. At the same time…the people who went there intended to fight. They may have lost, and been out of shape REMF’s or incompetent wannabees…but you have to admit that we had a pretty high proportion of that sort of thing leading up to the shots fired at Concord and Lexington. The militias were woefully outmatched by British regulars…but they did actually fight…

50 GeneJockey  Apr 25, 2014 11:07:17am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

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There they were, at the pinnacle of their propagandizing, and it was all destroyed in a single night.

51 Lidane  Apr 25, 2014 11:08:06am

Oh, this should be fun:

52 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 25, 2014 11:08:19am

re: #45 Kragar

Actually, I would say the FV 214b 183 is a lot more baneblade like, or even the Jg Pz E 100. I call them both immolators given what a shot from one of those two tend to do to a tank.

53 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 25, 2014 11:08:32am

re: #45 Kragar

Needs more Baneblade

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Where’s a techpriest when you need one…

Our shipment of plasma equipped Leman Russ Executioner’s from Ryza need the proper blessings and holy unguents!

54 klys  Apr 25, 2014 11:08:40am

Youtube Video

BELIEVE ME I HAVE MORE HAPPY VIDEOS TO BE TROTTED OUT FOR FRIDAY.

(This almost makes me want to have children, just to make my parents/his parents happy. Except that’s a shitty reason to have children when *I* don’t want them, so I won’t. But almost.)

55 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 11:08:50am

re: #50 GeneJockey

There they were, at the pinnacle of their propagandizing, and it was all destroyed in a single night.

Not according to the RNC

56 Killgore Trout  Apr 25, 2014 11:09:13am

Pentagon Calls to Russia Go Unreturned

The Pentagon phoned the Russian Defense Ministry within the past 24 hours to say Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is willing to talk directly with his Russian counterpart at any time. The Russians have not returned the call.

The revelation is seen as a sign that the U.S. is growing increasingly concerned that Russian troops are about to invade Ukraine.

#honorthebananaphone

57 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 25, 2014 11:11:21am

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Pentagon Calls to Russia Go Unreturned

#honorthebananaphone

I saw news yesterday that Russia had actually offered 5 western provinces of Ukraine to Poland last month. The Poles declined.

58 Killgore Trout  Apr 25, 2014 11:11:37am
59 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 11:12:15am

re: #53 Aunty Entity Dragon

Where’s a techpriest when you need one…

Our shipment of plasma equipped Leman Russ Executioner’s from Ryza need the proper blessings and holy unguents!

Damn tanks always need more unguents. Fraking cogboys.

Personally, I’ve always been a fan of the LR Exterminator.

60 Killgore Trout  Apr 25, 2014 11:12:19am

re: #57 Aunty Entity Dragon

I saw news yesterday that Russia had actually offered 5 western provinces of Ukraine to Poland last month. The Poles declined.

weird, I haven’t seen that one yet

61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2014 11:12:43am

re: #21 Skip Intro

And the right wing supported them 100% on doing this.

You’re completely right about this being a real problem. Someday, 1, 5 or 10 years from now these heavily armed loons are going to stage an attack on the government. It’s all but inevitable now.

Imagine a major disaster, natural, man-made or a combination of both…the government has to call out armed troops and police to maintain order and provide basic services.

Imagine the armed nutbags deciding that this is a government coup to seize power and coming out in droves with pickup trucks and assault rifles, turning whole swathes of the country into something resembling Somalia.

That is what we are facing.

62 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 25, 2014 11:12:49am

re: #31 GeneJockey

My experience on a hunting forum was that, although a lot of the wingnuts there had served in the military, the ones who actually served in combat were never the ones calling for violence. And the combat veterans also never gave anyone shit for not having served.

It was always the guys who put in a couple years during peacetime, or stateside who did the posturing.

I have two fishing buddies. One was in Somalia and Gulf War I as a marine in a mortar division. The other was a marine mechanic working the motor pool in Okinawa during both of those conflicts. My buddy who was in combat respects everyone regardless of service and while he talks about what went down he doesn’t brag and he doesn’t go all gung-ho.

The one who worked the motor pool is a braggart and looks down on people who never served (or seems to) and can be a loud mouth prick always bragging about serving.

It’s funny because he’ll start telling these stories about working the motor pool that always come off sounding like “this one time at band camp” and my other buddy usually shuts him up with “yeah, well while you were doing that I was dodging sniper fire in Mogadishu”.

63 Bulworth  Apr 25, 2014 11:13:24am

GeneJockey posted:

There they were, at the pinnacle of their propagandizing, and it was all destroyed in a single night.

Yeah they were about ready to launch the Revolution and IMPEACH!! IMPEACH!!! and then the dude had to open his mouth. //

64 GeneJockey  Apr 25, 2014 11:14:01am

re: #49 Aunty Entity Dragon

You see a lot of posturing. At the same time…the people who went there intended to fight. They may have lost, and been out of shape REMF’s or incompetent wannabees…but you have to admit that we had a pretty high proportion of that sort of thing leading up to the shots fired at Concord and Lexington. The militias were woefully outmatched by British regulars…but they did actually fight…

Oh, sure, there were probably some who’d fight. There always are. For every hundred or more guys who dream about blowing shit up, there’s a Tim McVeigh who actually does.

There are a lot more who have a fantasy of what it would be like, who’d freeze, panic etc. as soon as actual bullets started flying. My point is that guys who actually experienced this sort of thing are rarely the ones calling for it. It was the ones who fantasize about what it would be like. I suspect Mr. “I have a clear shot at four of them” is one of those.

65 Killgore Trout  Apr 25, 2014 11:14:09am

Somebody’s gonna get a strongly worded letter
Pro-Russian Separatists Seize International Observers In Ukraine

Pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine have seized seven international observers with the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe as well as five Ukrainian soldiers and their bus driver, the Ukranian Foreign Ministry said Friday.

66 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2014 11:14:42am

re: #22 Kragar

SC Republican wants to end public schools: Nothing ‘in the Bible about state education’

If you study the history of public education, it grew out of the religious reformation, part of the notion that we should all be able to read the Bible for ourselves and not be dependent on others to interpret it for us.

This guy is astoundingly stupid.

Anti-government as an ideology in itself.

67 Bulworth  Apr 25, 2014 11:14:44am

Aunt Entity posted:

I saw news yesterday that Russia had actually offered 5 western provinces of Ukraine to Poland last month. The Poles declined.

This is not going to end well, I’m afraid.

68 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 25, 2014 11:14:44am

re: #60 Killgore Trout

weird, I haven’t seen that one yet

Here’s some for you, and some for you. According to the Polish foreign minister, Russia offered to give Poland five provinces of Ukraine about a month ago. The deputy speaker of the Russian Duma also made a similar proposal to Hungary and Romania. “We told him we were not doing it,” Radoslaw Sikorski revealed on Wednesday. Sikorski also requested U.S. troop protection, and theorized about when Russia would stop. “Russia probably has enough resources to digest Crimea,” he said. “I think all of eastern and southern Ukraine might give them indigestion.”

thedailybeast.com

69 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 25, 2014 11:14:45am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Imagine a major disaster, natural, man-made or a combination of both…the government has to call out armed troops and police to maintain order and provide basic services.

Imagine the armed nutbags deciding that this is a government coup to seize power and coming out in droves with pickup trucks and assault rifles, turning whole swathes of the country into something resembling Somalia.

That is what we are facing.

They have already pretty much said that if the military, in the form of the National Guard was called out due to a natural disaster it would be step one of the GUBMINT plan to seize total power. They fantasize about it happening.

70 GeneJockey  Apr 25, 2014 11:14:56am

re: #55 Kragar

Not according to the RNC

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Retconning.

71 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 25, 2014 11:16:23am

and speaking of Warhammer (regarding tanks) that’s one game I was sad to see not be made, Warhammer 40k Online, and along with it the demise of THQ.

72 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2014 11:16:38am

re: #39 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I could see it being useful (if it could have moved). It basically has the chassis of the E-100 but has a 128mm Autoloading Anti-aircraftstyle gun on a rear mount. It decimates targets at range but if spotted (and believe me it’s hard to miss) an HE shell takes out the turret and a large number of the crew.

It definitely is a blast to play once you suspend disbelief.

Not to mention that there was not a bridge in Europe that could have carried it across a waterway…

73 Skip Intro  Apr 25, 2014 11:17:06am

re: #55 Kragar

It’s so unfair that Republicans are being accused of being Bundy supporters.

It’s not as though GOP office holders like Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, Nevada State Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, Texas Governor Rick Perry, U.S. Sen. Dean Heller, or 2012 Presidential Hopeful Herman Cain actually came out in support of Bundy, after all.

74 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2014 11:19:13am

re: #73 Skip Intro

It’s so unfair that Republicans are being accused of being Bundy supporters.

It’s not as though GOP office holders like Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, Nevada State Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, Texas Governor Rick Perry, U.S. Sen. Dean Heller, or 2012 Presidential Hopeful Herman Cain actually came out in support of Bundy, after all.

If they had simply stopped at saying that they support him in his dispute with the BLM, they could’ve sidestepped the issue.

But they had to elevate him to the status of True Patriot and Official Poster Child.

Now they seriously regret his lack of “media training”.

75 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 11:19:26am

re: #71 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

and speaking of Warhammer (regarding tanks) that’s one game I was sad to see not be made, Warhammer 40k Online, and along with it the demise of THQ.

Yeah, THQ going under was a real shock

76 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 25, 2014 11:20:13am

re: #72 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Not to mention that there was not a bridge in Europe that could have carried it across a waterway…

oh that’s a given. It’s amazing some of the weaponry ideas that all sides had.

77 gwangung  Apr 25, 2014 11:20:23am

O. T.

Aetna charges Good Samaritan burn victim for “unnecessary medical treatment”

“It was not my choice to stay in the burn center for seven days,” he said. “This was a decision made by medical professionals who treated me on a daily basis. To have the doctors’ judgment questioned and overruled by an insurance company who did not treat me or see the extent of my injuries is unthinkable.”

These are the rat bastards the right wing thinks are wayyyyy better than government medicine.

Good this guy (a family friend) was part of the 10%—-imagine what would happen to a middle class or poor person.

78 klys  Apr 25, 2014 11:20:42am

How to recover from a potentially massive PR fail:

Youtube Video

79 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 25, 2014 11:20:55am

re: #64 GeneJockey

Oh, sure, there were probably some who’d fight. There always are. For every hundred or more guys who dream about blowing shit up, there’s a Tim McVeigh who actually does.

There are a lot more who have a fantasy of what it would be like, who’d freeze, panic etc. as soon as actual bullets started flying. My point is that guys who actually experienced this sort of thing are rarely the ones calling for it. It was the ones who fantasize about what it would be like. I suspect Mr. “I have a clear shot at four of them” is one of those.

I think that we had a self selecting thing going on here where the armchair fantasists stayed home. You probably need some level of actual intent to leave your job and home, lack up gear, ammunition and weapons and drive 700 miles to some guys ranch you have never met.

That becomes a weakest link scenario where the least stable person dictates what happens next. Again, I thank God that the BLM de-escalated before somebody squeezed a trigger.

80 Killgore Trout  Apr 25, 2014 11:20:57am

re: #68 Aunty Entity Dragon

thedailybeast.com

Interesting. Maybe Putin is trying to woo some countries away from NATO.

81 lawhawk  Apr 25, 2014 11:21:21am

re: #22 Kragar

Nothing about disaster aid (hurricanes have a nasty and tricksy habit of laying waste to the coast). Oh, and earthquakes too. Those are in the Bible (and the walls of Jericho come a tumblin’ down), but nothing about repaying to help rebuild…

82 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 25, 2014 11:21:47am

re: #75 Kragar

Yeah, THQ going under was a real shock

No kidding. and it sucks because the original Dawn Of War series was great, the only problem is the resolution restrictions so it’s nearly unplayable on my machine since you can’t go past 1024x768. The newer ones (Dawn Of War II) were just not as fun as the standard strategy ones.

Warhammer 40K Space Marine was pretty fun though.

83 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 25, 2014 11:23:31am

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Interesting. Maybe Putin is trying to woo some countries away from NATO.

Bad call then…because he scared the hell out of them. Not a coincidence that we started wargames in Poland the day before yesterday.

84 Snarknado!  Apr 25, 2014 11:27:00am

re: #25 Pie-onist Overlord

Actually there is something in the Bible about public education, I think it’s in Kings or Chronicles, one of the rulers (Hezekiah?) ordered the scholars to go forth throughout the land and establish academies for men, women and children.

Have to look it up when I get home.

Jehosephat. 2Chronicles 17:1-10 (I think that’s what you’re thinking of — isn’t the internet wonderful?)

85 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 11:27:02am

re: #82 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

No kidding. and it sucks because the original Dawn Of War series was great, the only problem is the resolution restrictions so it’s nearly unplayable on my machine since you can’t go past 1024x768. The newer ones (Dawn Of War II) were just not as fun as the standard strategy ones.

Warhammer 40K Space Marine was pretty fun though.

Final Liberation remains my favorite. Ah, the days of live action cinematic cutscenes

Youtube Video

86 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 25, 2014 11:28:17am

re: #85 Kragar

Never played that one.

87 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2014 11:28:22am
88 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 25, 2014 11:29:12am

re: #82 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

No kidding. and it sucks because the original Dawn Of War series was great, the only problem is the resolution restrictions so it’s nearly unplayable on my machine since you can’t go past 1024x768. The newer ones (Dawn Of War II) were just not as fun as the standard strategy ones.

Warhammer 40K Space Marine was pretty fun though.

The Holy Emperor, through this, the Office of the Inquisition, does hereby abjure and admonish you for unseemly attitudes regarding amusement and the employment of the Adeptus Astartes. You are to report for satirical accountability penance at Ceti Omicron III, Imperial City XIV, Administratum Building Alpha LXII level 28, room 14 where you are to sit in the GREEN chair.

For the Emperor

Jenal Felistran
Explicator
Ordo Malleus

89 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 11:29:56am

re: #86 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Never played that one.

Came out late 90s

90 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 11:31:16am

re: #88 Aunty Entity Dragon

The Holy Emperor, through this, the Office of the Inquisition, does hereby abjure and admonish you for unseemly attitudes regarding amusement and the employment of the Adeptus Astartes. You are to report for satirical accountability penance at Ceti Omicron III, Imperial City XIV, Administratum Building Alpha LXII level 28, room 14 where you are to sit in the GREEN chair.

For the Emperor

Jenal Felistran
Explicator
Ordo Malleus

I see you’re a student of the “Rocks aren’t free” school

91 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2014 11:31:21am

re: #87 Charles Johnson

When the media say Cliven Bundy used the word “Negro,” they’re not telling you the full truth. The word he used was “nigra.”

It was the definite article that bugged me: “The nigra”.

I am sorry, I was raised to judge people as individuals, not by their group affiliation.

Talking about them in such terms collectively is most undeniably racist.

The cracker.

92 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 25, 2014 11:31:42am

re: #54 klys

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BELIEVE ME I HAVE MORE HAPPY VIDEOS TO BE TROTTED OUT FOR FRIDAY.

(This almost makes me want to have children, just to make my parents/his parents happy. Except that’s a shitty reason to have children when *I* don’t want them, so I won’t. But almost.)

You should have children because *you* want them. Not to make your parents happy.

93 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 25, 2014 11:31:50am

re: #90 Kragar

I see you’re a student of the “Rocks aren’t free” school

Caught that, did you? :)

94 HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2014 11:32:32am

re: #73 Skip Intro

It’s so unfair that Republicans are being accused of being Bundy supporters.

It’s not as though GOP office holders like Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, Nevada State Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, Texas Governor Rick Perry, U.S. Sen. Dean Heller, or 2012 Presidential Hopeful Herman Cain actually came out in support of Bundy, after all.

Yep. They put their lot in with this nutcase. Tough shit Preince, maybe you guys shouldn’t just jump on to someone’s cause just because they’re anti Obama and you see it as a cheap way to motivate your base. Tell you what though, the backlash against Bundy by the establishment is only going to infuriate the purer than thou even more so.

95 klys  Apr 25, 2014 11:32:40am

re: #92 Pie-onist Overlord

You should have children because *you* want them. Not to make your parents happy.

Pretty much.

Which is why my mother gets grandkittens.

96 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 25, 2014 11:32:45am

re: #90 Kragar

I see you’re a student of the “Rocks aren’t free” school

That was a classic back about 14 years ago. I couldn’t resist!

97 jaunte  Apr 25, 2014 11:33:07am

One of Cliven Bundy’s daughters is upset.

I’m sure most of you have heard the news about my dad being called a racist. Wow! The media loves to take things out of context don’t they? First off I’d just like to say that my dad has never been the most eloquent speaking person. Like someone said, he’s a Moses who needs an Aaron to speak for him. This is true. Second, however, is that the media has turned this into a circus side show. It’s like their trying to throw us off the real subject. Why was this ever even brought up? What does this have to do with land rights issues?
motherjones.com

Yes, why did the media force Cliven to start talking about what he “knows” about a bunch of people he lumped together in his mind?

98 klys  Apr 25, 2014 11:33:34am

re: #97 jaunte

One of Cliven Bundy’s daughters is upset.

Yes, why did the media force Cliven to start talking about what he “knows” about a bunch of people he lumped together in his mind?

I LOLed at the idea that he’s like Moses.

99 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 25, 2014 11:33:43am

Off to feed my kid…

100 Killgore Trout  Apr 25, 2014 11:34:06am

re: #83 Aunty Entity Dragon

Bad call then…because he scared the hell out of them. Not a coincidence that we started wargames in Poland the day before yesterday.

It’s probably not going to work but he’s sowing the seeds of doubt. If these countries feel that NATO isn’t going to protect them they’ll have to consider other alliances.

101 jaunte  Apr 25, 2014 11:34:42am

re: #98 klys

He isn’t going to pay grazing fees for 40 years.

102 GeneJockey  Apr 25, 2014 11:35:05am

re: #95 klys

Pretty much.

Which is why my mother gets grandkittens.

You may change your mind later.

Or not.

But in any case, not wanting children is an excellent reason for not having children, whereas someone else wanting you to have them is a terrible reason to have them.

103 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 25, 2014 11:35:54am

re: #95 klys

Pretty much.

Which is why my mother gets grandkittens.

I wish one of my kids would get a cat or a dog.

My son in Toronto says he wants to get a pygmy goat for his kids to play with. The problem with that is even if you get a goat the size of a dog, it still smells like a goat.

104 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 25, 2014 11:36:26am

I would get a cat but I already have a grumpy old man.

105 GeneJockey  Apr 25, 2014 11:36:50am

re: #103 Pie-onist Overlord

I wish one of my kids would get a cat or a dog.

My son in Toronto says he wants to get a pygmy goat for his kids to play with. The problem with that is even if you get a goat the size of a dog, it still smells like a goat.

See, now, that’s why I like Greyhounds. They don’t smell like dogs, even when wet.

106 klys  Apr 25, 2014 11:37:09am

re: #102 GeneJockey

You may change your mind later.

Or not.

But in any case, not wanting children is an excellent reason for not having children, whereas someone else wanting you to have them is a terrible reason to have them.

Still, it’s really heartwarming to see the joy on her dad’s face when he finds out he’s going to be a grandpa (in the original video linked). Which is why it is an almost.

Fortunately, I can separate the emotion from actual decision making. :) Which is still a hell no.

107 lawhawk  Apr 25, 2014 11:37:28am

re: #98 klys

I LOLed at the idea that he’s like Moses.

Well, he has been wandering the desert of Nevada for about that long, as he sets his herd to graze on land that isn’t his (though he thinks that he’s somehow tied to the land).

108 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2014 11:38:49am

re: #107 lawhawk

Well, he has been wandering the desert of Nevada for about that long, as he sets his herd to graze on land that isn’t his (though he thinks that he’s somehow tied to the land).

He parted the Red States

109 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 11:39:02am

re: #93 Aunty Entity Dragon

Caught that, did you? :)

Always a classic

110 Killgore Trout  Apr 25, 2014 11:40:17am

Looks like the embarrassing hashtag activism is part of a deliberate policy

Russians, US in Hashtag Battle

the U.S. has started the New Ukraine Task Force, a social media hub in Russian to talk to Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine and in Central Europe, who State says are being bombarded by Russian media.The campaign is also spearheading the English posts and hashtags that are trying to help counter the influence in greater Europe of RT, the Russian government-owned television station formally called Russia Today that is distributed around the world, including the United States. -

111 klys  Apr 25, 2014 11:40:27am

re: #103 Pie-onist Overlord

I wish one of my kids would get a cat or a dog.

My son in Toronto says he wants to get a pygmy goat for his kids to play with. The problem with that is even if you get a goat the size of a dog, it still smells like a goat.

If he was in the Bay Area I know where there is an excellent kitten who should be eligible for adoption next week.

(It rained here last night, so I at least have the comfort of knowing that she was indoors and dry and warm.)

112 wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2014 11:42:50am

re: #104 Pie-onist Overlord

I would get a cat but I already have a grumpy old man.

I got two cats, and one of them fell in love with my grumpy old man and made him less grumpy. (He wasn’t very grumpy to start with, though, but he had never had a pet, and it’s been fun to see.)

113 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 11:43:12am
114 Timothy Watson  Apr 25, 2014 11:43:14am

“Hashtag diplomacy”: As stupid as “hashtag activism”?

115 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 11:44:44am
116 bubba zanetti  Apr 25, 2014 11:45:51am

re: #98 klys

I LOLed at the idea that he’s like Moses.

Is anyone compiling a list of all the people he’s been compared to?

117 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 25, 2014 11:46:17am

re: #88 Aunty Entity Dragon

The Holy Emperor, through this, the Office of the Inquisition, does hereby abjure and admonish you for unseemly attitudes regarding amusement and the employment of the Adeptus Astartes. You are to report for satirical accountability penance at Ceti Omicron III, Imperial City XIV, Administratum Building Alpha LXII level 28, room 14 where you are to sit in the GREEN chair.

For the Emperor

Jenal Felistran
Explicator
Ordo Malleus

I much prefer Chaos or even the Tau or Dark Eldar.

118 GeneJockey  Apr 25, 2014 11:46:46am

re: #106 klys

Still, it’s really heartwarming to see the joy on her dad’s face when he finds out he’s going to be a grandpa (in the original video linked). Which is why it is an almost.

Fortunately, I can separate the emotion from actual decision making. :) Which is still a hell no.

IIRC, you’re still pretty young. We didn’t even think about kids till we were almost 33.

119 prairiefire  Apr 25, 2014 11:47:37am

re: #6 lawhawk

Hannity ate up the story so hard, Bundy should have charged him grazing fees.

HEH!

Winning the Internets!

120 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2014 11:47:51am

re: #115 Kragar

WTFittyFingF?

121 bubba zanetti  Apr 25, 2014 11:48:21am

CLIVEN BUNDY IS HAN SOLO! HES JUST TRYING TO THE RIGHT THING IN THE WRONG WAY!

122 makeitstop  Apr 25, 2014 11:48:27am

Bundy’s daughter slams Hannity

Sean Hannity was all for reporting the happenings at the Bundy Ranch until this popped up. I wonder if someone hoped it would be that way….By the way, I think Mr. Hannity is more worried about his ratings than he really is about what my dad said. If he supports a supposed racist, what will that do to his ratings? He’s already lost his #1 spot on Fox.

This whole thing is way more entertaining than I thought it would be.

123 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 25, 2014 11:48:28am

Here is the youngest Zionist Overlord, at 6 weeks.

124 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 25, 2014 11:48:36am

oh and The Necrons.

125 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 11:48:39am

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

WTFiityFingF?

Be advised, that twitter is just reposts of quotes by Freepers, he’s not saying them himself

126 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 25, 2014 11:48:55am
127 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2014 11:48:59am
128 jaunte  Apr 25, 2014 11:49:39am

re: #115 Kragar

The RNC leadership is so puzzled their outreach isn’t going well.

129 klys  Apr 25, 2014 11:49:46am

re: #118 GeneJockey

IIRC, you’re still pretty young. We didn’t even think about kids till we were almost 33.

I’m young.

He is …not so young.

If we wait until I am 33, he’ll be 50.

Neither of us is children-inclined, though. To both sets of parents’ disappointment.

130 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 11:50:20am

re: #124 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

oh and The Necrons.

Get out.

131 Varek Raith  Apr 25, 2014 11:50:55am

re: #100 Killgore Trout

It’s probably not going to work but he’s sowing the seeds of doubt. If these countries feel that NATO isn’t going to protect them they’ll have to consider other alliances.

Russia would lose any conventional engagement with NATO.
Putin knows it.
We know it.
Everyone knows it.

132 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2014 11:52:22am

re: #131 Varek Raith

Russia would lose any conventional engagement with NATO.
Putin knows it.
We know it.
Everyone knows it.

It would still be a disaster for Europe and tumble the entire world into chaos.

And we all know it

133 Skip Intro  Apr 25, 2014 11:52:31am

So did any of you know that there’s a Republic for the United States of America?

Well, there is, and they’re all Bundy buddies.

Here’s a short list, with their positions in The Republic for the United States:

James Lynn Horton
Interim Governor Arkansas free-State

Daniel Mark Owens
Vice President
Jeanine Cherie Stewart
Acting Secretary of State
Brenda Kay Owens
Assistant Secretary of State
Michael Bishop - Florida
Free-State Governor
Kevin Saunders - Connecticut
Free-State Governor
Morse “Mac” Stewart- Oregon
Free-State Governor
Cory Perkins - New Jersey
Nominee Free-State Governor
Anthony Smith - Nebraska
Free-State Governor
Linda McLaughlin - Oklahoma
Free-State Governor
Ray Marner - Indiana
Free-State Governor
Dean Henning - Wisconsin
Free-State Governor
Jim Carpenter - Colorado
Free-State Lt. Governor
Gregory Johnson - Colorado
Secretary of State
Jean Hertler - Wisconsin
Secretary of State
Craig Swets - Indiana
Attorney General
Cindy Rohan - Wisconsin
Deputy Treasurer
Connie Schultz - Wisconsin
Records Keeper
David Hertler - Wisconsin
National Representative
Mark Rohan - Wisconsin
State Representative
Nick Krug - Arkansas
National Senator
Nick Smith - Indiana
National Senator
Candace Campbell - Iowa
National Senator
Pete Moake - Chief Justice
Supreme Court
Roger Waters - Indiana
District Court Judge
Jim Bleakley - Washington
State Chief Justice
John Eicher - Indiana
State Chief Justice
Michael Brum - Wisconsin
State Chief Justice

134 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 25, 2014 11:53:02am
135 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 25, 2014 11:54:54am

re: #130 Kragar

Nope, love the idea of a horde of basically undead machines going on a warpath. It’s like terminator meets The Walking Dead.

136 EmmaAnne  Apr 25, 2014 11:55:37am

re: #18 thecommodore

There is already a Ballad of Cliven Bundy, sort of.

So tell me, are YOU heading to Bunkerville?

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Well. That’s … horrifying.

137 sagehen  Apr 25, 2014 11:56:05am

re: #35 Bulworth

Gene Jockey posted:

Kraphammer is an authoritarian loving, croc-wearing, lickspickle. /

“Do I have the right to go in to graze sheep in Central Park? I think not.

Used to be, until 1934. That’s why one of the open spaces (not the Great Lawn, but the next biggest) is still called the Sheep Meadow. (it’s a designated “quiet zone” now… no dogs, no radios, no organized sports.)

Image: wk-centralpark.jpg

138 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 11:56:31am

re: #117 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I much prefer Chaos or even the Tau or Dark Eldar.

I do have an Night Lords and some Dark Eldar

Tau can die beneath the blades of the righteous

139 jaunte  Apr 25, 2014 11:56:37am

re: #133 Skip Intro

Self appointed, I assume?

140 GeneJockey  Apr 25, 2014 11:57:17am

re: #139 jaunte

Self appointed, I assume?

Of course! Because a Republic has nothing to do with Representative Democracy.
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141 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 11:57:20am

re: #135 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Nope, love the idea of a horde of basically undead machines going on a warpath. It’s like terminator meets The Walking Dead.

I liked them better before they retconned them into the dynasties

142 Killgore Trout  Apr 25, 2014 11:58:32am

re: #131 Varek Raith

Russia would lose any conventional engagement with NATO.
Putin knows it.
We know it.
Everyone knows it.

I think you’re right but Putin is unlikely to lose a conventional war that we won’t engage in.

143 jaunte  Apr 25, 2014 11:58:46am

re: #140 GeneJockey

USCIS should check into these people.

144 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 25, 2014 11:58:59am

re: #140 GeneJockey

Of course! Because a Republic has nothing to do with Representative Democracy.
/////

BECAUSE ALL IT TAKES IS III% TO OVERTHROW A TYRANNY!!!!!

145 Skip Intro  Apr 25, 2014 11:59:07am

re: #139 jaunte

Self appointed, I assume?

The Republic for the United States of America serves in an interim capacity, under the Constitution, and is working to provide the American public full disclosure and to act as a foundation for the free States until a lawful election can be conducted under the Constitution and free from the influence of the corporate democracy that has been posing as the government for the United States and the banking concerns that support it.

It’s the JOOs we gots to get rid of. Then the nigras will be happy to go back to being property again.

146 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 12:01:30pm
147 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 25, 2014 12:01:57pm

Because people who work at hard labor standing on their feet for hours on end put in so much less EFFORT than CEO’s.

148 Killgore Trout  Apr 25, 2014 12:02:38pm

Hillary’s going to have a hard time exciting the progressive base if she keeps this up
Hillary Clinton: What Snowden Did ‘Gave All Kinds of Information’ to Terrorists

149 Lidane  Apr 25, 2014 12:02:58pm

re: #144 Pie-onist Overlord

Because a bunch of hunters with rifles stand a chance against a local SWAT team, never mind the same military that spends more than the next dozen countries COMBINED.

150 Killgore Trout  Apr 25, 2014 12:03:33pm
Clinton also took a moment to mock the strange moment when Snowden asked Vladimir Putin about Russian surveillance during a live chat.

There will be outrage

151 kirkspencer  Apr 25, 2014 12:04:10pm

re: #144 Pie-onist Overlord

BECAUSE ALL IT TAKES IS III% TO OVERTHROW A TYRANNY!!!!!

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Too bad for them the number’s wrong.

Someone ought to ask them for examples, and then ask why the south lost. (not to mention Shays and the Whiskey rebellion and allll the native american losses. Oh, and I suppose we should include Hawaii. And that’s just staying here in the US.)

152 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 25, 2014 12:04:12pm

re: #149 Lidane

Because a bunch of hunters with rifles stand a chance against a local SWAT team, never mind the same military that spends more than the next dozen countries COMBINED.

I pointed this out and the guy said DON’T INTERRUPT MY MEME U COMMUNIST!!!!!! BLOCKED & REPORTED FOR SPAM!!!!!!!

153 jaunte  Apr 25, 2014 12:04:15pm

re: #146 Kragar

Blues Image moved to Miami in 1968, where they were instrumental in helping promoters form the most innovative music venue in South Florida, ‘Thee Image’. Blues Image became the house band at the club, which featured bands like the Grateful Dead, Cream, and Blood, Sweat and Tears.
en.wikipedia.org

154 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 25, 2014 12:04:19pm

WTF???

155 GeneJockey  Apr 25, 2014 12:04:36pm

re: #129 klys

I’m young.

He is …not so young.

If we wait until I am 33, he’ll be 50.

Neither of us is children-inclined, though. To both sets of parents’ disappointment.

But you’re letting the swarthy foreigners outbreed the whites!

My parents once said the one big regret they had for all of us was that none of us could have the big family they did, because times had changed. Things weren’t the same as they were in the 1945-1975 era when they raised us.

As my boys reach maturity, I realize the times are very different for them, too. I couldn’t wait to get out on my own. I learned to drive at as early an age as I could, at 17 I was taking bus trips of hundreds of miles on my own, at 21 I moved out of Mom and Dad’s house for good and all, at 23 I moved from Ithaca to California, where I knew NOBODY, but did have a job lined up.

Neither of my boys has shown any interest in learning to drive, or moving out, and they are VERY normal for their generation that way.

EDIT: My point being that people are who they are, and parents may want them to be younger versions of themselves, and want the same things they did, but that’s not how it works.

156 Lidane  Apr 25, 2014 12:04:43pm

The only people who would be outraged by Hillary Clinton criticizing Snowden are people who wouldn’t vote for her anyway. Pfft.

157 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 25, 2014 12:05:39pm
158 b.d.  Apr 25, 2014 12:05:45pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Hillary’s going to have a hard time exciting the progressive base if she keeps this up
Hillary Clinton: What Snowden Did ‘Gave All Kinds of Information’ to Terrorists

The fauxgressives already loathe Hillary Clinton, this just validates it.

Gotta whine about something.

159 GeneJockey  Apr 25, 2014 12:05:52pm

oops

160 Kragar  Apr 25, 2014 12:06:24pm

re: #153 jaunte

Neat

161 Killgore Trout  Apr 25, 2014 12:08:59pm

re: #156 Lidane

The only people who would be outraged by Hillary Clinton criticizing Snowden are people who wouldn’t vote for her anyway. Pfft.

Not much love for Hillary in the comments on Mother Jones
motherjones.com

162 Killgore Trout  Apr 25, 2014 12:09:45pm

re: #158 b.d.

The fauxgressives already loathe Hillary Clinton, this just validates it.

Gotta whine about something.

There aren’t going to like any candidate rational enough to win an election.

163 calochortus  Apr 25, 2014 12:10:08pm

re: #159 GeneJockey

EDIT: My point being that people are who they are, and parents may want them to be younger versions of themselves, and want the same things they did, but that’s not how it works.

Yeah, you have to live your life so that you are as happy as possible and don’t need to have your kids (if any) live the life you wanted. My parents let me be who I am. I hope I’m letting my kids live the lives that will satisfy them.
Not that I’d mind being a grandmother, but that’s really not my decision, nor do I want it to be.

164 Varek Raith  Apr 25, 2014 12:10:14pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

There aren’t going to like any candidate rational enough to win an election.

So don’t bother with them.

165 klys  Apr 25, 2014 12:10:21pm

re: #155 GeneJockey

I have gotten the “you are smart, you really should be passing your genes along” speech.

It’s been a kind of shitty time to be a young adult, in some ways. Job market has sucked (and I know, for everyone, but it’s really hard to get experience when all jobs want experience - you really have to be on top of things in college and do internships, etc., and most people aren’t).

I know I’m jealous of some of the European countries where young folks I’ve talked to were able to take a year and kind of figure out what they wanted to do before going back to college or whatever, without having to worry about health insurance and whatnot.

166 GeneJockey  Apr 25, 2014 12:10:23pm

re: #144 Pie-onist Overlord

BECAUSE ALL IT TAKES IS III% TO OVERTHROWESTABLISH A TYRANNY!!!!!

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FTFY

167 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 25, 2014 12:15:16pm

re: #147 Pie-onist Overlord

Because people who work at hard labor standing on their feet for hours on end put in so much less EFFORT than CEO’s.

More often than not, it is EFFORT inequality that results in INCOME inequality!

This is not a discussion that can be carried out on Twitter…there is equality of opportunity and equality of outcome…the two are separate but not unrelated.

But save us any nuance that does not fit into 140 characters…

168 calochortus  Apr 25, 2014 12:19:39pm

A strange thing, but when I change tonight’s menu on the spur of the moment, I never seem to have quite all the ingredients for what I want to make. So, off to the store. I think I will combine food acquisition with healthful exercise by walking down. And, unfortunately, back up. It’s only a mile, but about 400 feet or so up, the last 0.2 miles having nearly half of that elevation gain.
BBL.

(It’s good for me, it’s good for me… ;) )

169 GeneJockey  Apr 25, 2014 12:21:03pm

re: #167 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This is not a discussion that can be carried out on Twitter…there is equality of opportunity and equality of outcome…the two are separate but not unrelated.

But save us any nuance that does not fit into 140 characters…

The people who think income inequality exists because poor people don’t work hard enough do not understand that the economy is not what it was when they were younger. There are not jobs paying the equivalent of $20K 1980 dollars for kids just graduating. Hell, there are barely JOBS for them. Add to that the fact that the jobs that disappear in every recession are good jobs with good pay and benefits, and the ones that replace them are lower paying with less benefits.

We are creating WAY more shitty jobs than good jobs, but unless you’ve experienced that, you tend to assume it was like it was when you were young and there were good jobs to be had if you looked.

170 Romantic Heretic  Apr 25, 2014 12:23:06pm

re: #31 GeneJockey

My experience on a hunting forum was that, although a lot of the wingnuts there had served in the military, the ones who actually served in combat were never the ones calling for violence. And the combat veterans also never gave anyone shit for not having served.

It was always the guys who put in a couple years during peacetime, or stateside who did the posturing.

In the words of Bill Mauldin, “The surest way to become a pacifist is to join the infantry”

171 Romantic Heretic  Apr 25, 2014 12:31:41pm

re: #64 GeneJockey

Oh, sure, there were probably some who’d fight. There always are. For every hundred or more guys who dream about blowing shit up, there’s a Tim McVeigh who actually does.

There are a lot more who have a fantasy of what it would be like, who’d freeze, panic etc. as soon as actual bullets started flying. My point is that guys who actually experienced this sort of thing are rarely the ones calling for it. It was the ones who fantasize about what it would be like. I suspect Mr. “I have a clear shot at four of them” is one of those.

I have a book in my library, Panzer Commander by Hans von Luck. In it he notes that, in his experience, it was the loud ones that broke first in combat. He depended on the quiet ones who just went about their job even as artillery fell around them that he depended on.

172 ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2014 12:40:11pm

re: #51 Lidane

Oh, this should be fun:

UPDATE: Mpls. City Council approves resolution to swap Columbus Day for Indigenous People’s Day.

Would I then be from People’s Day Ohio?

173 Romantic Heretic  Apr 25, 2014 12:50:28pm

re: #144 Pie-onist Overlord

BECAUSE ALL IT TAKES IS III% TO OVERTHROW A TYRANNY!!!!!

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How is a government founded and run by 3% of the population not a tyranny?

174 Eventual Carrion  Apr 25, 2014 12:51:43pm

re: #166 GeneJockey

FTFY

And that is exactly it. They want the 3% to rule, that is not democracy. Might not be tyranny but it sure isn’t democracy. More like Oligarchy.


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