1 darthstar  Apr 30, 2014 3:34:45pm

That’s so full of win I don’t know where to begin.

2 dog philosopher  Apr 30, 2014 3:36:07pm

and to think i waste my time on silly things like having sex

3 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 3:39:28pm
4 jaunte  Apr 30, 2014 3:40:31pm

Now I need a tiny margarita.

5 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 3:41:51pm

6 piratedan  Apr 30, 2014 3:43:29pm

he forgot to start with some chips and pico de gallo, but otherwise a worthy effort indeed…… ////

7 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2014 3:45:39pm

Check out this new slideshow feature:

The last 500 images in tweets posted at LGF

8 dog philosopher  Apr 30, 2014 3:46:02pm

the famous ‘i has a corm’

9 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2014 3:46:34pm

re: #6 piratedan

he forgot to start with some chips and pico de gallo, but otherwise a worthy effort indeed…… ////

My burrito today had pico de gallo in it. It was, however, not tiny.

10 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2014 3:48:46pm
11 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 30, 2014 3:51:09pm

Not Florida by a long shot, but I came home and found water leaking into the apartment from one of the window frames.

Towel in place, some water mopped up, maintenance called, and have evacuated books (lots of them) from the area. Looks like it ran down the back of the one bookcase directly under the flow and no books actually damaged.

The Feline Overlords approve of the revised furniture arrangement since it has new places to explore, dust bunnies to kill, and piles of books to knock over.

12 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 3:52:09pm

Once again, I labor in vain pontificating at the bottom of a dying thread.

13 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2014 3:52:51pm

Inevitable consequences.

14 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 30, 2014 3:53:26pm

re: #12 GeneJockey

Once again, I labor in vain pontificating at the bottom of a dying thread.

Sarah Palin vs Hamsters w/burritos. You should have known better where to be.

15 dog philosopher  Apr 30, 2014 3:55:09pm

re: #11 Feline Fearless Leader

Not Florida by a long shot, but I came home and found water leaking into the apartment from one of the window frames.

Towel in place, some water mopped up, maintenance called, and have evacuated books (lots of them) from the area. Looks like it ran down the back of the one bookcase directly under the flow and no books actually damaged.

The Feline Overlords approve of the revised furniture arrangement since it has new places to explore, dust bunnies to kill, and piles of books to knock over.

dere hooman: pwease move teh furonachure things evwy week fwom nao on it is teh fun thx

16 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2014 3:55:18pm

Here’s Sarah Palin’s complete speech at that NRA “Stand and Fight” rally. Warning: may be way too much derp to consume at once. I had to stop at 53 seconds with a splitting headache.

17 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2014 3:55:28pm

Youtube Video

18 bubba zanetti  Apr 30, 2014 3:58:13pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

19 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 3:59:53pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Here’s Sarah Palin’s complete speech at that NRA “Stand and Fight” rally. Warning: may be way too much derp to consume at once. I had to stop at 53 seconds with a splitting headache.

Yeah, Jesue - first, what’s happening to her voice?

Second, considering that her proudest achievement in her half a term as Governor of the biggest of the Big Empty States was to pass a windfall profits tax on oil companies to put money directly into the hands of Alaskans, how is she the heroine of the anti-redistributionists?

20 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 30, 2014 4:01:04pm

re: #15 dog philosopher

dere hooman: pwease move teh furonachure things evwy week fwom nao on it is teh fun thx

I approves dis message

21 dog philosopher  Apr 30, 2014 4:01:08pm

re: #19 GeneJockey

Jesue

been reading that middle english?

And Jesu, for his grace, wit me sende
To shewe yow the wey, in this viage,
Of thilke parfit glorious pilgrymage
That highte Jerusalem celestial.

22 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2014 4:02:51pm

re: #20 Feline Fearless Leader

[Embedded image]I approves dis message

The pose of a true feline overlord.

23 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 4:03:51pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Check out this new slideshow feature:

The last 500 images in tweets posted at LGF

Pretty cool how it extract the Twitter pics.

24 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2014 4:07:03pm

re: #23 Gus

Pretty cool how it extract the Twitter pics.

In their largest size too.

25 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 4:07:13pm

re: #21 dog philosopher

been reading that middle english?

Welle, Aprille with his showeres sueete failed to pierce the droghte of Marche, and so it is fukinge hott. Oure aire conditioninge hath crapp-ed out, and the Laboratorie hath warm-ed so that ‘Room Temperature’ hath risen unto 30 degrees. And mine office be but onlie slightlie cooler.

26 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2014 4:08:48pm

re: #25 GeneJockey

Welle, Aprille with his showeres sueete failed to pierce the droghte of Marche, and so it is fukinge hott. Oure aire conditioninge hath crapp-ed out, and the Laboratorie hath warmed so that ‘Room Temperature’ hath risen unto 30 degrees. And mine office be but onlie slightlie cooler.

Thou shouldst paye a visite to the wilde north countrie, for lo, ‘tis a mere 2 degrees here. And it didst snow yestereve.

27 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 4:09:45pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

In their largest size too.

Ezra Klein’s not going to like this! //

28 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2014 4:09:55pm

Yesterday I didn’t understand this tweet. Now I have seen what Allen West said.

29 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2014 4:10:01pm
30 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 4:10:24pm

re: #26 thedopefishlives

Thou shouldst paye a visite to the wilde north countrie, for lo, ‘tis a mere 2 degrees here. And it didst snow yestereve.

And see the majestik moose?

31 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 4:10:53pm

Yep. No minimum wage hike for you!

32 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 4:13:07pm

This is my brain, right about now.

Well, actually, that’s a fried egg that would be really good if someone flipped it gently about now, and then plated it before the yolk solidifies, then serves it with buttered toast.

But it’s how my brain FEELS.

33 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Apr 30, 2014 4:13:28pm

only thing I can say is…

BURP!

34 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2014 4:13:34pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

My burrito today had pico de gallo in it. It was, however, not tiny.

Yeah, I fix my grandson breakfast burritos that are huge. : )

35 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 30, 2014 4:15:26pm

re: #32 GeneJockey

[Embedded image]

This is my brain, right about now.

Well, actually, that’s a fried egg that would be really good if someone flipped it gently about now, and then plated it before the yolk solidifies, then serves it with buttered toast.

But it’s how my brain FEELS.

Hmm. An omelet for dinner is beginning to sound like a very good idea.

36 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2014 4:15:49pm

re: #32 GeneJockey

[Embedded image]

This is my brain, right about now.

Well, actually, that’s a fried egg that would be really good if someone flipped it gently about now, and then plated it before the yolk solidifies, then serves it with buttered toast.

But it’s how my brain FEELS.

I’m right there with you. April has been a royal cluster of a month. I am exhausted, I am brain-dead, and I am ready for a complete break from life.

Also, this looks like a screenshot from the old “this is your brain on drugs” ads from the ‘90’s. Got something you need to tell us?

37 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 4:18:03pm
38 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 4:18:27pm

re: #36 thedopefishlives

I’m right there with you. April has been a royal cluster of a month. I am exhausted, I am brain-dead, and I am ready for a complete break from life.

Also, this looks like a screenshot from the old “this is your brain on drugs” ads from the ‘90’s. Got something you need to tell us?

Yes. I am the only one in my family who likes fried eggs. Nobody else can handle the idea of runny yolks, so they also don’t like poached eggs or soft boiled eggs. So, i don’t make fried eggs or poached eggs or soft boiled eggs.

The sacrifices I make for those ungrateful bastards….

39 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2014 4:19:37pm

re: #38 GeneJockey

Yes. I am the only one in my family who likes fried eggs. Nobody else can handle the idea of runny yolks, so they also don’t like poached eggs or soft boiled eggs. So, i don’t make fried eggs or poached eggs or soft boiled eggs.

The sacrifices I make for those ungrateful bastards….

I’m that guy. My wife likes a nice sunny-side-up, preferably in a toast donut. I can’t handle my eggs any other way but scrambled. I did, at least, learn to cook eggs in other fashions so that I could prepare one for my wife on occasion.

40 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 4:20:09pm
41 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2014 4:20:59pm

My kids had hamsters. They eventually died, unfortunately. Then, my son discovered fish when he was about 12 and had them for many years, the last being Oscars in a 50 gal tank when I first moved up here, but they got so big, they could jump out of the tank (there were 2) and he gave them away. He fed them goldfish. One jumped out at me when I took the top off the tank for some reason, and landed on the floor; scared the shit out of me, but I picked it up and plopped it back in. : )

42 Killgore Trout  Apr 30, 2014 4:21:56pm

re: #35 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. An omelet for dinner is beginning to sound like a very good idea.

My favorite diner omelet: pate, shallots and spinach.

43 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 30, 2014 4:23:00pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

My favorite diner omelet: pate, shallots and spinach.

Given the larder it will probably be pepper jack cheese, bell peppers, and some herbs (basil, thyme, etc.)

44 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 4:24:01pm

re: #41 Justanotherhuman

My kids had hamsters. They eventually died, unfortunately. Then, my son discovered fish when he was about 12 and had them for many years, the last being Oscars in a 50 gal tank when I first moved up here, but they got so big, they could jump out of the tank (there were 2) and he gave them away. He fed them goldfish. One jumped out at me when I took the top off the tank for some reason, and landed on the floor; scared the shit out of me, but I picked it up and plopped it back in. : )

Our boys seem to prefer reptiles. We’ve got a Crested Gecko that served for a while as the older boy’s Therapy Animal (Mrs. Jockey suggested we make him a tiny Service Dog vest); a Northern Alligator lizard; two Red Eared Slider terrapins, and another water turtle of a different variety. I suspect our electric bills are inflated by all the pumps, heaters, and lights.

45 Killgore Trout  Apr 30, 2014 4:24:53pm

Everybody loves Oregon!
London cleric wanted jihadists to train in Oregon, U.S. jury told

He added that Oregon was a “pro-militia and fire-arms state” where it would be easy to stockpile weapons for combat training.

46 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 4:25:59pm

re: #40 Gus

[Embedded content]

After an investigation into the work, the library concluded the book is not eligible for removal due to the following reasons:

- “The book is a humorous and well-loved children’s book designed to engage children while teaching them reading skills,”
- “Since its publication in 1963, it has maintained its popularity and appeared on many “Best of” children’s book lists.”
- “Dr. Seuss was a prolific and celebrated children’s author who won the Pulitzer Prize among many other awards.”

The book is being retained in the children’s collection, according the the library, but as news of the unusual complaint spreads around the web, many are mocking the idea that Hop on Pop could even be considered for removal.

47 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2014 4:26:34pm

re: #43 Feline Fearless Leader

Given the larder it will probably be pepper jack cheese, bell peppers, and some herbs (basil, thyme, etc.)

Yum. I had sriracha hummus and lentil crackers for lunch. Ever tried pepper jack cheese w/tomato and onion, buttered and toasted in a pan? Extra yummy…

I will never lose those 20 lbs at this rate. : ) But I did have a salad for dinner.

48 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 4:29:24pm

Hate to think what Road Runner cartoons might inspire. //

49 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 4:31:47pm
50 Killgore Trout  Apr 30, 2014 4:33:03pm

re: #40 Gus

[Embedded content]

According to the TPL’s recently released 2013 Reconsideration of Materials Summary, a formal complaint was lodged last year against the 1963 Dr. Seuss book Hop on Pop because it “encourages children to use violence against their fathers.”

A single complaint, sometimes that’s all it takes. Sign up for enough fake twitter accounts it could become viral. The heckler’s veto at work in the modern age.

51 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 30, 2014 4:34:05pm

But just remember Obama is a tyrant and the NSA is reading all Teh Tweets!!!

(warning: bad wingnut craziness)

52 Bubblehead II  Apr 30, 2014 4:36:18pm

re: #36 thedopefishlives

I’m right there with you. April has been a royal cluster of a month. I am exhausted, I am brain-dead, and I am ready for a complete break from life.

Also, this looks like a screenshot from the old “this is your brain on drugs” ads from the ‘90’s. Got something you need to tell us?

Why yes. It needs some bacon.

BTW, Come Friday, I AM on vacation.

53 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2014 4:36:45pm

re: #52 Bubblehead II

Why yes. It needs some bacon.

[Embedded image]

BTW, Come Friday, I >AM on vacation.

I have 2.5 more weeks to go until my vacation. Believe me, I am counting the days.

54 Killgore Trout  Apr 30, 2014 4:37:05pm

Scotland minister is in hot water
Salmond under fire for ‘nation of drunks’ quip

ALEX Salmond came under fire last night after appearing to characterise Scotland as a “nation of drunks”.
…
The row came on the day that a judge referred the legal battle over the government’s flagship policy of minimum pricing for alcohol to the European courts.
..
Then there is something deep about Scotland’s relationship with alcohol that is about self-image - lack of confidence, maybe, as a nation - and we do have to do something about it.”

Mr Salmond went on to defend his government’s plans to reduce drinking by introducing minimum pricing for alcohol - a proposal that has met with opposition from the whisky industry.

No True Scotsman!

55 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 4:38:18pm

re: #51 Pie-onist Overlord

But just remember Obama is a tyrant and the NSA is reading all Teh Tweets!!!

(warning: bad wingnut craziness)

Really? Switched sides in the war on terror? Allowing $500 million of weapons (according to said wingnut “report”) to fall into terrorists hands? And this is why Libya is relatively stable now after 4 dead in the Benghazi attack? How does this all work? Oh, wait, wingnuts. Never mind.

56 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 4:38:37pm

re: #50 Killgore Trout

A single complaint, sometimes that’s all it takes. Sign up for enough fake twitter accounts it could become viral. The heckler’s veto at work in the modern age.

Just a lone nut.

59 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 30, 2014 4:39:55pm

Wow TCOT is still Derping STERLING IS TEH DEMOCRAT HURR HURR!!!!!!

60 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2014 4:40:14pm

re: #59 Pie-onist Overlord

Wow TCOT is still Derping STERLING IS TEH DEMOCRAT HURR HURR!!!!!!

You know as well as I do: The truth never stopped any of these losers.

61 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 4:41:03pm

re: #36 thedopefishlives

I’m right there with you. April has been a royal cluster of a month. I am exhausted, I am brain-dead, and I am ready for a complete break from life.

Also, this looks like a screenshot from the old “this is your brain on drugs” ads from the ‘90’s. Got something you need to tell us?

April is the droolest month.

62 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 4:41:46pm
63 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 30, 2014 4:42:03pm

HURR HURR!!!! GENOCIDIN’ TEH INDIANS, STRIPPING TEH NATURAL RESOURCES & WORKIN’ TEH POORS IN SWEATSHOPS & COAL MINES, THAT’S WHAT BUILT AMERICA!!!!!!!

64 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2014 4:42:34pm

A twist in the Sterling matter. Stiviano says it wasn’t her who leaked tape.

V. Stiviano attorney: Someone leaked Sterling tape ‘for money’

latimes.com

“An attorney for V. Stiviano, the woman at the center of the Donald Sterling scandal, said she had permission to record the Clipper’s owner and doesn’t know who leaked the tape to TMZ.

“Calabasas lawyer Mac Nehoray declined to state the purpose of the recording, but said it was “by mutual agreement.”

“My client is devastated that this got out,” he said, adding that he and Stiviano “have an idea” who released it. He declined to identify that person.

(snip)

“Stiviano recorded the rants that led to Sterling’s banishment from professional basketball and said through her attorney that she was never his mistress.”

latimes.com

65 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 4:43:46pm

BENGHAZI!

66 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 30, 2014 4:44:14pm

We should set up a betting pool in case the different militia factions in Bundy land actually come to blows.

I will put 5 updings on the Oathkeepers.

67 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 4:44:20pm

re: #50 Killgore Trout

A single complaint, sometimes that’s all it takes. Sign up for enough fake twitter accounts it could become viral. The heckler’s veto at work in the modern age.

Raised 4 ‘Green Eggs and Ham’ fanatics. The good Doctor should be fed to a grinch.

68 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 4:46:40pm

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel

We should set up a betting pool in case the different militia factions in Bundy land actually come to blows.

I will put 5 updings on the Oathkeepers.

Could go with the Sispsey Street Irregualrs, if they can overcome that bowel problem.

69 EPR-radar  Apr 30, 2014 4:49:13pm

re: #63 Pie-onist Overlord

What I’d like to see tools like Cal Thomas try to explain is how today’s CEOs that make 200x to 300x or more of the average compensation are so radically better than CEOs of decades past who made do with a mere 50x to 100x average compensation.

70 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 4:49:37pm

re: #63 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!! GENOCIDIN’ TEH INDIANS, STRIPPING TEH NATURAL RESOURCES & WORKIN’ TEH POORS IN SWEATSHOPS & COAL MINES, THAT’S WHAT BUILT AMERICA!!!!!!!

[Embedded content]

Theft of land, theft of labor.

71 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 30, 2014 4:49:45pm
72 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 4:50:30pm

re: #70 GeneJockey

Theft of land, theft of labor.

History of civilization in 6 words.

73 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 4:50:47pm

re: #69 EPR-radar

What I’d like to see tools like Cal Thomas try to explain is how today’s CEOs that make 200x to 300x or more of the average compensation are so radically better than CEOs of decades past who made do with a mere 50x to 100x average compensation.

“It’s The Market! It can’t be excessive, because The Market wouldn’t do that! If workers were worth more they’d be paid more!”

74 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2014 4:51:27pm

re: #71 Pie-onist Overlord

[Embedded content]

WaterWorld is upon us?

75 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 4:51:47pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb

History of civilization in 6 words.

Well, I did tend to Ace History classes.

76 GeneJockey  Apr 30, 2014 4:52:13pm

re: #74 Justanotherhuman

WaterWorld is upon us?

Not out here. More like Waterless World.

77 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 4:52:51pm
78 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 30, 2014 4:53:02pm

70 Years Ago Today

American submarine Kraken is released from its shipbuilding dock in Wisconsin.

79 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2014 4:53:09pm

re: #69 EPR-radar

What I’d like to see tools like Cal Thomas try to explain is how today’s CEOs that make 200x to 300x or more of the average compensation are so radically better than CEOs of decades past who made do with a mere 50x to 100x average compensation.

But executives work hard for all that compensation, doncha know. The rest of us are useless and lazy, according to tools like Cal Thomas.

80 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 4:55:05pm

re: #78 Feline Fearless Leader

70 Years Ago Today

American submarine Kraken is released from its shipbuilding dock in Wisconsin.

google.com

81 Bubblehead II  Apr 30, 2014 4:56:40pm

re: #53 thedopefishlives

I have 2.5 more weeks to go until my vacation. Believe me, I am counting the days.

The weird thing is, I have to take another vacation in July. I have accumulated so much PTO that I have been basically told to use it or lose it.

There may be a one time offer to sell back 80 hrs but anything over that is gone. My Manager is like, yes we need you here, but I don’t want to see you lose that time so take it.

82 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 4:58:43pm
83 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 30, 2014 5:01:01pm

re: #78 Feline Fearless Leader

70 Years Ago Today

American submarine Kraken is released from its shipbuilding dock in Wisconsin.

USS Kraken

Like many World War II emergency program ships, the Kraken had a surprisingly long service life. The sub was modernized in the late 50s, transferred to Spain in 1960, and renamed Almirante García de los Reyes. It served in the Armada until 1981, initially as Spain’s only modern submarine. It was scrapped in 1982.

84 Killgore Trout  Apr 30, 2014 5:01:17pm

re: #64 Justanotherhuman

A twist in the Sterling matter. Stiviano says it wasn’t her who leaked tape.

V. Stiviano attorney: Someone leaked Sterling tape ‘for money’

latimes.com

“An attorney for V. Stiviano, the woman at the center of the Donald Sterling scandal, said she had permission to record the Clipper’s owner and doesn’t know who leaked the tape to TMZ.

“Calabasas lawyer Mac Nehoray declined to state the purpose of the recording, but said it was “by mutual agreement.”

“My client is devastated that this got out,” he said, adding that he and Stiviano “have an idea” who released it. He declined to identify that person.

(snip)

“Stiviano recorded the rants that led to Sterling’s banishment from professional basketball and said through her attorney that she was never his mistress.”

latimes.com

She’s covering her ass. She probably has some legal difficulties ahead.

85 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 5:01:48pm

re: #82 Gus

Kentucky store says “Hell, yes” to lawyers.

86 dog philosopher  Apr 30, 2014 5:02:37pm

re: #46 Gus

The book is being retained in the children’s collection, according the the library, but as news of the unusual complaint spreads around the web, many are mocking the idea that Hop on Pop could even be considered for removal.

this is sure to become a ‘those libberuls and their political correctness run amok’ item despite the actual origin:

A father has been branded a ‘Grinch’ for asking the Toronto Public Library to ban Dr Seuss’s much loved book Hop On Pop.

The anonymous man sent a complaint to the library’s materials review committee, claiming that the classic children’s book ‘encourages children to use violence against their fathers’.

He not only requested that the book be taken down from shelves - a request that was denied - but he also asked that the library ‘issue an apology to fathers in the Greater Toronto Area and pay for damages resulting from the book’.

87 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 5:02:48pm
88 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 30, 2014 5:04:09pm
89 Skip Intro  Apr 30, 2014 5:06:43pm

re: #69 EPR-radar

What I’d like to see tools like Cal Thomas try to explain is how today’s CEOs that make 200x to 300x or more of the average compensation are so radically better than CEOs of decades past who made do with a mere 50x to 100x average compensation.

That’s too easy. It’s because they figured out how to get compensation 200x to 300x higher. Those losers who only made 50x to 100x were bad managers. Instead of running the business, they should have been focused on raising their salary while lowering everyone else’s.

Fools like that would be lucky to get a cashier job at WalMart these days.

90 dog philosopher  Apr 30, 2014 5:08:58pm

re: #89 Skip Intro

Fools like that would be lucky to get a cashier job at WalMart these days.

make all multi million dollar ceo’s periodically re-apply to the job market from scratch to prove their worth

91 Varek Raith  Apr 30, 2014 5:11:46pm

Well, it flooded downstairs.
All cleaned up now.
I hate this shit.

92 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 30, 2014 5:13:40pm

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel

USS Kraken

Like many World War II emergency program ships, the Kraken had a surprisingly long service life. The sub was modernized in the late 50s, transferred to Spain in 1960, and renamed Almirante García de los Reyes. It served in the Armada until 1981, initially as Spain’s only modern submarine. It was scrapped in 1982.

That reminds me, I need to get down to Manitowoc again and go see the USS Cobia. en.wikipedia.org The really neat thing about her is that after WWII she was occasionally overhauled but not upgraded very much. The radar is the original WWII set and is the oldest functioning radar in the world. The rest of the boat is still in well maintained WWII condition. It makes an interesting comparison to the U-505 in Chicago…

93 b_sharp  Apr 30, 2014 5:16:56pm

Looks like the outrage du jour on atheist Twitter is halal meat served by Subway.

Apparently the animal is killed in the name of Allah by a Muslim using a knife to slit its throat while the animal is still conscious.

This sounds horrendous and should possibly be condemned, but not because it is done by a Muslim. Food animals are killed in any number of ways, some more humane than others, but none are painless. Bow hunters kill their prey by trying to sever the carotid artery/jugular vein so the animal bleeds out. Rifle hunters seldom kill with one shot. Farmers kill their food animals using whatever means they have at hand. I’ve seen people use sledge hammers, axes, 22cal rifles, larger rifles and even knives.

For consistency sake, pretty much all ways of killing food animals should be condemned for the same reason, potential pain felt by the animal before death, or at least all methods that resemble that used in the preparation for Halal should be spoken of at the same time.

Killing animals by having them bleed out or otherwise suffer pain isn’t unique to Islam.

94 Varek Raith  Apr 30, 2014 5:18:36pm

Also, my makeshift rain gauge broke.
Thanks, Obama.

95 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 5:21:44pm

re: #93 b_sharp

There’s also the deer that sometimes get shot only to run off and die a slow death.

96 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 30, 2014 5:22:13pm

Thank you Charles for Hamsters eating tiny Burritos. After the last few depressing and soul-wearing topics it’s nice to have something that is just cute.

(but I couldn’t watch it without hearing Gordon Ramseys voice in the background)

RBS

97 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 5:22:52pm

re: #93 b_sharp

Looks like the outrage du jour on atheist Twitter is halal meat served by Subway.

Apparently the animal is killed in the name of Allah by a Muslim using a knife to slit its throat while the animal is still conscious.

This sounds horrendous and should possibly be condemned, but not because it is done by a Muslim. Food animals are killed in any number of ways, some more humane than others, but none are painless. Bow hunters kill their prey by trying to sever the carotid artery/jugular vein so the animal bleeds out. Rifle hunters seldom kill with one shot. Farmers kill their food animals using whatever means they have at hand. I’ve seen people use sledge hammers, axes, 22cal rifles, larger rifles and even knives.

For consistency sake, pretty much all ways of killing food animals should be condemned for the same reason, potential pain felt by the animal before death, or at least all methods that resemble that used in the preparation for Halal should be spoken of at the same time.

Killing animals by having them bleed out or otherwise suffer pain isn’t unique to Islam.

For shit’s sake, don’t let the Oklahoma Dept of Corrections in on it.

98 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2014 5:23:16pm

OT: Okay, I just had to stop in to say that I passed a milestone today—it’s been one year since my ruptured aneurysm and I’m still kicking.

At this hour a year ago I was unconscious in a hospital, getting ready to be transferred to another hospital so a neurosurgeon could drill a hole in my skull, fix the rupture, and drain out the excess blood. I was told that six months and one year afterwards with no further complications would be milestones so please excuse me while I…

Now if my hair would just grow back a little faster so I could wear it in one normal ponytail instead of the four that kinda make me feel like Pauley Perrette.

That is all. I now return you to your regularly scheduled program. ;)

99 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 5:23:42pm

Trapping being another.

100 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 30, 2014 5:23:54pm

re: #97 Decatur Deb

For shit’s sake, don’t let the Oklahoma Dept of Corrections in on it.

Am I a really horrible, unredeemed person for having laughed my ass off at that?

RBS

101 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2014 5:23:59pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

That is a great occasion to celebrate. Cheers!

102 klys  Apr 30, 2014 5:24:11pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

The world would have been much poorer if we’d lost you. I’m glad you’re still around and kicking.

103 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 5:24:17pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

Congrats!

104 Varek Raith  Apr 30, 2014 5:24:47pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

You dance funny.
:P

105 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 30, 2014 5:24:53pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

OT: Okay, I just had to stop in to say that I passed a milestone today—it’s been one year since my ruptured aneurysm and I’m still kicking.

At this hour a year ago I was unconscious in a hospital, getting ready to be transferred to another hospital so a neurosurgeon could drill a hole in my skull, fix the rupture, and drain out the excess blood. I was told that six months and one year afterwards with no further complications would be milestones so please excuse me while I…

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Now if my hair would just grow back a little faster so I could wear it in one normal ponytail instead of the four that kinda make me feel like Pauley Perrette.

That is all. I now return you to your regularly scheduled program. ;)

YEA!!! for CL.

RBS

106 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2014 5:25:15pm

re: #100 RealityBasedSteve

Am I a really horrible, unredeemed person for having laughed my ass off at that?

RBS

I LOL too.

107 b.d.  Apr 30, 2014 5:25:17pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

CONGRATULATIONS CURIOUS LURKER!!!!

108 Belafon  Apr 30, 2014 5:26:15pm

re: #93 b_sharp

How do people think they get their meat? OK, I know they don’t actually think about it, it’s just some abstract concept, like executing a person.

I eat meat, but having cleaned chickens as a kid, I know how we get it. My younger brother, who made fun of me having chicken blood on my hands, got to clean out the turkey.

109 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2014 5:26:53pm

re: #93 b_sharp

What, aren’t you gonna accuse me of whoring for up-dings or something?

110 Varek Raith  Apr 30, 2014 5:27:33pm

111 Belafon  Apr 30, 2014 5:28:44pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

That’s awesome. John Cole over at Balloon Juice has a friend who had an aneurysm a few days ago. We’re all hoping it goes as well for her.

112 ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2014 5:29:49pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

OT: Okay, I just had to stop in to say that I passed a milestone today—it’s been one year since my ruptured aneurysm and I’m still kicking.

At this hour a year ago I was unconscious in a hospital, getting ready to be transferred to another hospital so a neurosurgeon could drill a hole in my skull, fix the rupture, and drain out the excess blood. I was told that six months and one year afterwards with no further complications would be milestones so please excuse me while I…

[Embedded image]

Now if my hair would just grow back a little faster so I could wear it in one normal ponytail instead of the four that kinda make me feel like Pauley Perrette.

That is all. I now return you to your regularly scheduled program. ;)

Good for you! I wasn’t posting at that time, so I had no idea that you had gone through all that. Here is to continued improvement/recovery and ongoing good health.

113 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 5:30:21pm

Subway has had halal meats available in select locations since 2007.

114 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 5:30:21pm

re: #106 CuriousLurker

I LOL too.

Laugh while you can, My Pretty.

Image: WizardofOzWitch.png

115 Belafon  Apr 30, 2014 5:31:12pm

re: #104 Varek Raith

It’s a bit like Lorde.

116 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 5:31:35pm

Only 2 out of 185 Subways in the UK removed ham…

My source, wait for it, The Blaze!

117 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2014 5:31:59pm

re: #111 Belafon

That’s awesome. John Cole over at Balloon Juice has a friend who had an aneurysm a few days ago. We’re all hoping it goes as well for her.

Thanks, it’s a scary thing. Less so that you can die (at least to me) than that you can be left incapacitated and completely dependent on others. That’s some frightening shit. it wasn’t something I ever really thought about before, y’know?

*shudder*

118 Bubblehead II  Apr 30, 2014 5:32:12pm

Fuck up there. CL sorry

119 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2014 5:32:36pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

Many congratulations! And many more years for you. : )

120 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2014 5:32:43pm

re: #112 ObserverArt

Good for you! I wasn’t posting at that time, so I had no idea that you gone through all that. Here is to continued improvement/recovery and ongoing good health.

Thanks!

121 Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2014 5:33:00pm

re: #114 Decatur Deb

Laugh while you can, My Pretty.

Image: WizardofOzWitch.png

Laugh-a while you can, Monkeyboy!

Youtube Video

122 Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2014 5:33:40pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

OT: Okay, I just had to stop in to say that I passed a milestone today—it’s been one year since my ruptured aneurysm and I’m still kicking.

At this hour a year ago I was unconscious in a hospital, getting ready to be transferred to another hospital so a neurosurgeon could drill a hole in my skull, fix the rupture, and drain out the excess blood. I was told that six months and one year afterwards with no further complications would be milestones so please excuse me while I…

[Embedded image]

Now if my hair would just grow back a little faster so I could wear it in one normal ponytail instead of the four that kinda make me feel like Pauley Perrette.

That is all. I now return you to your regularly scheduled program. ;)

Congratulations. Masha’Allah.

123 Political Atheist  Apr 30, 2014 5:33:59pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

OT: Okay, I just had to stop in to say that I passed a milestone today—it’s been one year since my ruptured aneurysm and I’m still kicking.

At this hour a year ago I was unconscious in a hospital, getting ready to be transferred to another hospital so a neurosurgeon could drill a hole in my skull, fix the rupture, and drain out the excess blood. I was told that six months and one year afterwards with no further complications would be milestones so please excuse me while I…

[Embedded image]

Now if my hair would just grow back a little faster so I could wear it in one normal ponytail instead of the four that kinda make me feel like Pauley Perrette.

That is all. I now return you to your regularly scheduled program. ;)

Congratulations and many many more. Birthday II?
CL we are all blessed by your continued presence. Including good people makes for a good life.

124 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2014 5:34:14pm

re: #119 Justanotherhuman

Many congratulations! And many more years for you. : )

Thanks, JAH. And for you as well.

For all of you—many more years and thanks for the kind words.

125 Floral Giraffe  Apr 30, 2014 5:34:42pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

WOOT! You ROCK lady!

126 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2014 5:35:22pm

re: #125 Floral Giraffe

WOOT! You ROCK lady!

Hey, you—long time no see! {{FG}}

127 Belafon  Apr 30, 2014 5:36:28pm

re: #117 CuriousLurker

I doubt aneurysm is high on anyone’s list of “things that might kill or disable me.” You definitely deserve to dance, even if it looks like you’re a bit thin.

128 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2014 5:36:51pm
129 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 5:36:55pm

Halal meats since 2007 in select locations + 2 out of 185 shops remove ham in the UK = I don’t give a crap.

130 Varek Raith  Apr 30, 2014 5:37:26pm

re: #129 Gus

Halal meats since 2007 in select locations + 2 out of 185 shops remove ham in the UK = I don’t give a crap I’m hungry.

FTFY.

131 b_sharp  Apr 30, 2014 5:39:02pm

re: #109 CuriousLurker

What, aren’t you gonna accuse me of whoring for up-dings or something?

What?

132 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 5:40:00pm

Just watched a video of a cow being hit on the head with a sledge hammer. It took several blows. Please, someone tell me how this is more “humane.”

133 Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2014 5:40:00pm

Goodnight, Lizards.

134 b_sharp  Apr 30, 2014 5:40:20pm

re: #129 Gus

Halal meats since 2007 in select locations + 2 out of 185 shops remove ham in the UK = I don’t give a crap.

It isn’t outrage worthy.

135 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2014 5:40:53pm

re: #132 Gus

Just watched a video of a cow being hit on the head with a sledge hammer. It took several blows. Please, someone tell me how this is more “humane.”

Because Islam, that’s why. Come on, Gus, think like a wingnut.

136 Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2014 5:40:55pm

re: #130 Varek Raith

FTFY.

Yeah, I could go for a sub sandwich right now, even if it is from Subway.

137 b.d.  Apr 30, 2014 5:41:05pm

re: #129 Gus

Halal meats since 2007 in select locations + 2 out of 185 shops remove ham in the UK = I don’t give a crap.

I removed some ham from a Subway last time I ordered one of their sandwiches, some of their cheese too.

138 Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2014 5:42:28pm

re: #135 thedopefishlives

Because Islam, that’s why. Come on, Gus, think like a wingnut.

I tried, but then I found out that being that angry over nothing all the time just gave me headaches.

139 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2014 5:42:32pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

Yeah, I could go for a sub sandwich right now, even if it is from Subway.

I only eat the veggie ones anyway. With their version of “pepper jack cheese”. No lettuce, just spinach and everything else.

140 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2014 5:43:15pm

re: #138 Targetpractice

I tried, but then I found out that being that angry over nothing all the time just gave me headaches.

Yeah. Burns through brain cells like nothing else. All that rage can’t be good for a person.

141 b_sharp  Apr 30, 2014 5:43:33pm

re: #132 Gus

Just watched a video of a cow being hit on the head with a sledge hammer. It took several blows. Please, someone tell me how this is more “humane.”

I’ve seen that personal and up close.
It angered me at 19, it angers me now.

142 b.d.  Apr 30, 2014 5:43:44pm

Has Subway now become another one of America’s sacred institutions that can’t be tampered with ever, anywhere?

I remember reading about how all of the patriots used to gather at the Subway store and plot against King George.

143 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 5:44:10pm

re: #132 Gus

Just watched a video of a cow being hit on the head with a sledge hammer. It took several blows. Please, someone tell me how this is more “humane.”

Our gradeschool had its own cows and its own slaughterhouse. One of the graduate ‘farm boys’, a highschooler, took them down with a .45. Usually one shot.

144 The War TARDIS  Apr 30, 2014 5:45:11pm

Hey, may have a problem. Can you judge for me?

145 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 5:45:35pm

re: #134 b_sharp

It isn’t outrage worthy.

A normal take on this: cornwallfreenews.com

146 Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2014 5:45:47pm

re: #139 Justanotherhuman

I only eat the veggie ones anyway. With their version of “pepper jack cheese”. No lettuce, just spinach and everything else.

I gave up Subway after I started working at Quizno’s. Went back after it got shut down, but have since started frequenting Jersey Mike’s across from it. For what I pay at Subway, I could get more elsewhere.

147 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 30, 2014 5:45:56pm

re: #142 b.d.

Has Subway now become another one of America’s sacred institutions that can’t be tampered with ever, anywhere?

I remember reading about how all of the patriots used to gather at the Subway store and plot against King George.

Looking at their tunnel wallpaper was what inspired conspirators to the Gunpowder Plot.
//

148 Political Atheist  Apr 30, 2014 5:46:20pm

re: #144 The War TARDIS

Hey, may have a problem. Can you judge for me?

What’s up?

149 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 5:46:26pm

re: #141 b_sharp

I’ve seen that personal and up close.
It angered me at 19, it angers me now.

Yeah, it was sad to watch.

150 b_sharp  Apr 30, 2014 5:46:51pm

re: #143 Decatur Deb

Our gradeschool had its own cows and its own slaughterhouse. One of the graduate ‘farm boys’, a highschooler took them down with a .45. Usually one shot.

I’ve seen a steer take several 303 shots to the head.

151 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 5:47:13pm

Atheists that are always complaining about shit like this **every day** are irritating to be around.

152 Belafon  Apr 30, 2014 5:47:33pm

re: #117 CuriousLurker

If it’s OK with you, I’m gonna mention your experience in one of Cole’s threads at Balloon Juice.

153 klys  Apr 30, 2014 5:47:37pm

This is OT but for our programming-inclined Lizards:

Usefulness of a rigorous course in algorithms, heavy on the math.

Yay or nay?

Very seriously contemplating withdrawing from the course (and the certificate program) and just going and getting a job, praying the Ph.D. and the institution it comes from can pull enough weight to get myself through the door. Extra opinions never hurt.

154 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2014 5:49:11pm

re: #146 Targetpractice

I gave up Subway after I started working at Quizno’s. Went back after it got shut down, but have since started frequenting Jersey Mike’s across from it. For what I pay at Subway, I could get more elsewhere.

Subway is all we have in this burg for anything close to a hoagie. However, my son, who is very fond of Philly cheese steak, found a great deli in Charlotte which makes them to his liking, almost authentically so.

155 Floral Giraffe  Apr 30, 2014 5:49:11pm

re: #126 CuriousLurker

Hey, you—long time no see! {{FG}}

I lurking more than posting!
So happy for your anniversary!

156 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2014 5:49:46pm

Okay pics, but with spoiler tags in case anyone’s squeamish ‘cause my head it looked kinda Frankensteinish:

Spoiler

5th day in hospital

Spoiler

Last day, tubes removed (on Mother’s Day!)

157 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2014 5:50:28pm

re: #150 b_sharp

I’ve seen a steer take several 303 shots to the head.

Might have something to do with the terminal ballistics, or the kid’s skill. The only sad part was that they often tied the cow outside the concrete chamber for a while, and we’d stand a watch at the baseball field fence. Then we’d go to lunch—stew or burgers.

158 Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2014 5:51:03pm

re: #156 CuriousLurker

Okay pics, but with spoiler tags in case anyone’s squeamish ‘cause my head it looked kinda Frankensteinish:

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So they did indeed find a brain in there?

///

159 The War TARDIS  Apr 30, 2014 5:51:11pm

re: #148 Political Atheist

Got these two messages from my previously mentioned friend in Pakistan.

“Hi”

“R u thr?”

Followed by this message from someone she knows over there. Names redacted.

Hey i am friend of XXXX (XXXXXX) from Pakistan. ! Can i ask you something ? and yeah.. dont ask XXXX about me.She told me everything that i am going to ask from you..

She had gone over to visit family, and see someone her parents picked for her. As mentioned earlier.

160 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2014 5:51:16pm

re: #152 Belafon

If it’s OK with you, I’m gonna mention your experience in one of Cole’s threads at Balloon Juice.

Sure it’s okay with me. Thanks for asking.

161 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2014 5:51:18pm

re: #153 klys

This is OT but for our programming-inclined Lizards:

Usefulness of a rigorous course in algorithms, heavy on the math.

Yay or nay?

Very seriously contemplating withdrawing from the course (and the certificate program) and just going and getting a job, praying the Ph.D. and the institution it comes from can pull enough weight to get myself through the door. Extra opinions never hurt.

Not intrinsically useful in the sense of “oh, now I know all these algorithms”, but extremely useful in practicality in figuring out how to distill complex programming problems down to the operational nuts and bolts.

162 Belafon  Apr 30, 2014 5:51:22pm

re: #153 klys

Are you trying to become a programmer with a different degree?

163 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 5:51:35pm

re: #156 CuriousLurker

Okay pics, but with spoiler tags in case anyone’s squeamish ‘cause my head it looked kinda Frankensteinish:

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Staples?

164 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2014 5:51:49pm

re: #156 CuriousLurker

Okay pics, but with spoiler tags in case anyone’s squeamish ‘cause my head it looked kinda Frankensteinish:

[Embedded content]

Oh my, condolences for the haircut. : )

165 b.d.  Apr 30, 2014 5:52:07pm

re: #150 b_sharp

I’ve seen a steer take several 303 shots to the head.

BUNDY’S COWS CAN TAKE A HIT FROM A HOWITZER AND STILL GRAZE AWAY!!

166 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2014 5:52:17pm

re: #153 klys

No idea. Math is no my friend, so I’d never attempt such a thing, heh.

167 klys  Apr 30, 2014 5:52:50pm

re: #161 thedopefishlives

Not intrinsically useful in the sense of “oh, now I know all these algorithms”, but extremely useful in practicality in figuring out how to distill complex programming problems down to the operational nuts and bolts.

There has been absolutely none of that and a ton of prove that this algorithm is O(n lg n) or whatever. It has been a very frustrating class so far, and the most recent homework just exacerbates it, plus they have been absolutely shitty about getting graded homeworks/solutions to the distance students - as in I have received nothing back yet.

168 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2014 5:53:37pm

re: #131 b_sharp

What?

Like Varek, you usually have something funny to say that’s all.

169 klys  Apr 30, 2014 5:54:00pm

re: #162 Belafon

Are you trying to become a programmer with a different degree?

Yeah, I have three degrees, none in programming or computer science. But at this point a year of Stanford’s introductory stuff under my belt, which …has been fairly rigorous.

I like the idea of software development. I hate writing proofs.

170 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 5:54:22pm

IF HAD A SUBWAY IN A MUSLIM NEIGHBORHOOD I WOULD ONLY SERVE HAM, BACON AND NO HALAL MEATS! FREEDUM!

171 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2014 5:54:23pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

So they did indeed find a brain in there?

///

LOL, so they claimed.

172 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 30, 2014 5:54:38pm

re: #153 klys

This is OT but for our programming-inclined Lizards:

Usefulness of a rigorous course in algorithms, heavy on the math.

Yay or nay?

Very seriously contemplating withdrawing from the course (and the certificate program) and just going and getting a job, praying the Ph.D. and the institution it comes from can pull enough weight to get myself through the door. Extra opinions never hurt.

Very useful. I should have taken such a course.

173 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2014 5:54:57pm

Toronto Mayor Rob Ford says he’s ready to ‘go get help’ and take a break from mayoral campaign - @TheTorontoSun
read more on torontosun.com

174 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2014 5:55:13pm

re: #167 klys

There has been absolutely none of that and a ton of prove that this algorithm is O(n lg n) or whatever. It has been a very frustrating class so far, and the most recent homework just exacerbates it, plus they have been absolutely shitty about getting graded homeworks/solutions to the distance students - as in I have received nothing back yet.

Admittedly, I haven’t done any of that sort of stuff in my daily work. Again, not intrinsically useful. I find it more useful in being able to derive analysis of my own algorithms; taking one look at a bit of code and saying, “Christ on a cracker, this is a terrible idea. It’ll take FOREVER to run.”

175 freetoken  Apr 30, 2014 5:55:27pm

re: #153 klys

This is OT but for our programming-inclined Lizards:

Usefulness of a rigorous course in algorithms, heavy on the math.

Yay or nay?

I don’t know about usefulness, but it was one of the few things I found interesting in computer science.

176 Bubblehead II  Apr 30, 2014 5:55:47pm

Night Lizards.

slinks off

177 Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2014 5:56:21pm

re: #173 Justanotherhuman

Toronto Mayor Rob Ford says he’s ready to ‘go get help’ and take a break from mayoral campaign - @TheTorontoSun
read more on torontosun.com

Good to hear. Recognizing you need help is always a good thing.

178 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2014 5:57:06pm

re: #163 Gus

Staples?

Yeah, they itched like hell. Plus they looked pretty weird. When I finally met the neurosurgeon who did the procedure, I told him I couldn’t help thinking of electric drills and staple guns every time I looked at my head.

*Bzzzz, ka-chunk, ka-chunk…*

179 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 30, 2014 5:57:13pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

So they did indeed find a brain in there?

///

I think I can see the chart in the background, for BRAIN looks like it says Abby something, can’t quite make it out.

RBS

180 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 30, 2014 5:57:21pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

OT: Okay, I just had to stop in to say that I passed a milestone today—it’s been one year since my ruptured aneurysm and I’m still kicking.

At this hour a year ago I was unconscious in a hospital, getting ready to be transferred to another hospital so a neurosurgeon could drill a hole in my skull, fix the rupture, and drain out the excess blood. I was told that six months and one year afterwards with no further complications would be milestones so please excuse me while I…

[Embedded image]

Now if my hair would just grow back a little faster so I could wear it in one normal ponytail instead of the four that kinda make me feel like Pauley Perrette.

That is all. I now return you to your regularly scheduled program. ;)

Here is a dancing pie for you!

181 Political Atheist  Apr 30, 2014 5:57:57pm

re: #176 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards.

slinks off

Hey dude head up high. No slinking around here.

182 Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2014 5:58:22pm

re: #179 RealityBasedSteve

I think I can see the chart in the background, for BRAIN looks like it says Abby something, can’t quite make it out.

RBS

Abby…Normal?

183 klys  Apr 30, 2014 5:58:47pm

re: #174 thedopefishlives

Admittedly, I haven’t done any of that sort of stuff in my daily work. Again, not intrinsically useful. I find it more useful in being able to derive analysis of my own algorithms; taking one look at a bit of code and saying, “Christ on a cracker, this is a terrible idea. It’ll take FOREVER to run.”

That level of analysis is well within my capabilities right now.

The current homework assignment wants probability maths like I haven’t done since high school. :(

It feels like there are interesting and useful parts here that I could learn without getting bogged down into the mess of PROOFS that is the homework every week.

184 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2014 5:58:53pm

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

Oh my, condolences for the haircut. : )

Actually I kinda enjoyed it. It was cool during the summer and very low maintenance. Hair’s kind of a PITA now that it’s grown back some.

185 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 30, 2014 5:59:06pm

re: #182 Targetpractice

Abby…Normal?

AH!!! We’ve discovered CL’s real name… She’s Abby Normal!!!!

RBS

186 The War TARDIS  Apr 30, 2014 5:59:47pm

Hello?

187 Belafon  Apr 30, 2014 5:59:49pm

re: #174 thedopefishlives

That’s pretty much the way it has worked for me. I have written very few algorithms where I’ve had to estimate runtime performance, but when it comes time to pick an algorithm, understanding their performance in various situations - almost sorted data, or small data sets - is very useful.

188 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 6:00:06pm

re: #94 Varek Raith

Also, my makeshift rain gauge broke.
Thanks, Obama.

Your rain gauge was the walls downstairs, silly!

189 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 6:00:11pm

Yes, I’d like the steak, well done.

OK, would you like the Shot in the Head, Cut in the Throat, Hit in the Head with a Sledge Hammer, or Electrocuted?

190 freetoken  Apr 30, 2014 6:00:42pm

re: #189 Gus

Grown in a lab, please.

191 klys  Apr 30, 2014 6:01:38pm

re: #159 The War TARDIS

I’d try contacting your friend and at least seeing if you can get some understanding of what’s going on from her.

192 Gus  Apr 30, 2014 6:01:47pm

re: #190 freetoken

Grown in a lab, please.

Special tonight on the drowned chicken.

193 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2014 6:02:27pm

Well, finally. But the admission comes from his lawyer, not Ford.

More: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford’s lawyer says Ford acknowledges he has a substance abuse problem - @AP
read more on bigstory.ap.org

Still, I hope rehab does some good for him.

194 Political Atheist  Apr 30, 2014 6:02:39pm

There is this classic song that I had not heard for some time. Always loved it. I just heard this version and it just hit me all over again. I think it’s a reaction to my living among millions and walking concrete sidewalks among skyscrapers a lot.

Funny. Grow up in a tiny town out rural and you pine for the big city. Grow up in the city and pine for some green foliage and uncrowded places.

Shinedown-Simple Man

Youtube Video

195 b_sharp  Apr 30, 2014 6:03:42pm

re: #190 freetoken

Grown in a lab, please.

I’m down with that.

196 lawhawk  Apr 30, 2014 6:03:58pm

re: #189 Gus

Cut across the throat. One cut. One cut only. /wouldn’t be kosher otherwise, and that better be a blade with no nicks or dings either (along with a bunch of other rules)

197 klys  Apr 30, 2014 6:04:47pm

I really appreciate the feedback you guys have offered so far. Some additional information:

There’s already been a fair amount of evaluating O(n) of an algorithm you’ve written (and, perhaps more importantly, the role things like caching, etc. can play in interefering in your theoretical stuff) in earlier classes.

This class has been extremely math-heavy and poorly run. I freely admit I struggle with the math proofs to start with; there’s very poor support and I’m tearing my hair out over it. In some ways, it feels like my time would be much better spent producing a portfolio program/reviewing some of the algorithms and their pros and cons/prepping for an interview.

198 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 30, 2014 6:05:27pm

re: #189 Gus

Yes, I’d like the steak, well done.

OK, would you like the Shot in the Head, Cut in the Throat, Hit in the Head with a Sledge Hammer, or Electrocuted?

Was out to dinner one night with a friend, she looked at the menu, saw “Smothered Chicken” and said, absolutely dead-pan.. “I’m just as happy not knowing how my food died”. She then stared making chicken noises and then muffled chicken noises. She could see I was about to lose it, so she started riffing on “What’s next? Wacked-In-Head Beef, Flopping-On-Deck Flounder”.

Let’s just say that I can’t go back there any more.

RBS

199 Belafon  Apr 30, 2014 6:06:15pm

re: #183 klys

The one additional thing I would add is that the algorithms classes are the few places where you get exposed to a large number of actual algorithms. Out in the real world, there isn’t a “here’s a cool algorithm, how could we use it.” There isn’t even a “we have this problem, we should see if we can find the best algorithm for it.” It’s generally “here’s the problem, I want it coded tomorrow.” This is where you get to see the programming tools.

For example, I worked at a telecom company, and no one had ever heard of the algorithm for detecting the connectivity between subgraphs, which, when I learned it - I was going to college while I was programming - I thought it was one of the most obvious algorithms to be using.

200 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2014 6:06:19pm

re: #197 klys

I really appreciate the feedback you guys have offered so far. Some additional information:

There’s already been a fair amount of evaluating O(n) of an algorithm you’ve written (and, perhaps more importantly, the role things like caching, etc. can play in interefering in your theoretical stuff) in earlier classes.

This class has been extremely math-heavy and poorly run. I freely admit I struggle with the math proofs to start with; there’s very poor support and I’m tearing my hair out over it. In some ways, it feels like my time would be much better spent producing a portfolio program/reviewing some of the algorithms and their pros and cons/prepping for an interview.

Yeah, perhaps. As I said a couple of times, I’ve never had to actually do a proof on anything in my entire career. I doubt I ever will; it’s just not something we do. It’s reserved for the academics.

201 freetoken  Apr 30, 2014 6:06:48pm

re: #197 klys

Poorly taught classes are a bummer. Long, long ago in college I had a terrible teacher in one math class, decided to not show up and thus eventually failed. I retook it and got an ‘A’, from one of the better professors in the department.

202 Stanley Sea  Apr 30, 2014 6:07:57pm

Catching up on the thread, but must post my fav dinner I’m making tonight.

Jerk Busha Brownes shrimp quesadilla. Arugula and tomatoes from the farmers market.

Oh yeah.

203 klys  Apr 30, 2014 6:07:57pm

re: #201 freetoken

Poorly taught classes are a bummer. Long, long ago in college I had a terrible teacher in one math class, decided to not show up and thus eventually failed. I retook it and got an ‘A’, from one of the better professors in the department.

The drop with refund deadline is unfortunately long past. I’m trying to decide if withdrawing makes sense.

From a mental health standpoint, I’m actually fairly sure of the answer, but there’s always tradeoffs, and I’m trying to evaluate the other side.

204 Belafon  Apr 30, 2014 6:09:38pm

re: #189 Gus

remotestorage.blogspot.com

[Ford] sat down.

The waiter approached.

“Would you like to see the menu?” he said, “or would you like meet the Dish of the Day?”

“Huh?” said Ford.

“Huh?” said Arthur.

“Huh?” said Trillian.

“That’s cool,” said Zaphod, “we’ll meet the meat.”

…

A large dairy animal approached Zaphod Beeblebrox’s table, a large fat meaty quadruped of the bovine type with large watery eyes, small horns and what might almost have been an ingratiating smile on its lips.

“Good evening,” it lowed and sat back heavily on its haunches, “I am the main Dish of the Day. May I interest you in the parts of my body?”

It harrumphed and gurgled a bit, wriggled its hind quarters in to a more comfortable position and gazed peacefully at them.

Its gaze was met by looks of startled bewilderment from Arthur and Trillian, a resigned shrug from Ford Prefect and naked hunger from Zaphod Beeblebrox.

“Something off the shoulder perhaps?” suggested the animal, “braised in a white wine sauce?”

“Er, your shoulder?” said Arthur in a horrified whisper.

“But naturally my shoulder, sir,” mooed the animal contentedly, “nobody else’s is mine to offer.”

Zaphod leapt to his feet and started prodding and feeling the animal’s shoulder appreciatively.

“Or the rump is very good,” murmured the animal. “I’ve been exercising it and eating plenty of grain, so there’s a lot of good meat there.”

It gave a mellow grunt, gurgled again and started to chew the cud. It swallowed the cud again.

“Or a casserole of me perhaps?” it added.

“You mean this animal actually wants us to eat it?” whispered Trillian to Ford.

“Me?” said Ford, with a glazed look in his eyes, “I don’t mean anything.”

“That’s absolutely horrible,” exclaimed Arthur, “the most revolting thing I’ve ever heard.”

“What’s the problem Earthman?” said Zaphod, now transferring his attention to the animal’s enormous rump.

“I just don’t want to eat an animal that’s standing there inviting me to,” said Arthur, “It’s heartless.”

“Better than eating an animal that doesn’t want to be eaten,” said Zaphod.

“That’s not the point,” Arthur protested. Then he thought about it for a moment. “Alright,” he said, “maybe it is the point. I don’t care, I’m not going to think about it now. I’ll just… er […] I think I’ll just have a green salad,” he muttered.

“May I urge you to consider my liver?” asked the animal, “it must be very rich and tender by now, I’ve been force-feeding myself for months.”

“A green salad,” said Arthur emphatically.

“A green salad?” said the animal, rolling his eyes disapprovingly at Arthur.

“Are you going to tell me,” said Arthur, “that I shouldn’t have green salad?”

“Well,” said the animal, “I know many vegetables that are very clear on that point. Which is why it was eventually decided to cut through the whole tangled problem and breed an animal that actually wanted to be eaten and was capable of saying so clearly and distinctly. And here I am.”

It managed a very slight bow.

“Glass of water please,” said Arthur.

“Look,” said Zaphod, “we want to eat, we don’t want to make a meal of the issues. Four rare stakes please, and hurry. We haven’t eaten in five hundred and seventy-six thousand million years.”

The animal staggered to its feet. It gave a mellow gurgle. “A very wise choice, sir, if I may say so. Very good,” it said, “I’ll just nip off and shoot myself.”

He turned and gave a friendly wink to Arthur. “Don’t worry, sir,” he said, “I’ll be very humane.”

It waddled unhurriedly off to the kitchen.

205 klys  Apr 30, 2014 6:10:00pm

re: #203 klys

The drop with refund deadline is unfortunately long past. I’m trying to decide if withdrawing makes sense.

From a mental health standpoint, I’m actually fairly sure of the answer, but there’s always tradeoffs, and I’m trying to evaluate the other side.

And given that I wouldn’t get a refund, I’d damn well demand access to the rest of the lectures for the quarter, and watch those - so I’d still see the material.

206 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2014 6:10:02pm

re: #194 Political Atheist

Shinedown-Simple Man

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Video

Nice song. I think I’ll exit on that note. Have a great night, everyone.

And remember—you never know when your number’s up, so don’t let hate or anger or regret rob you of even a second.

Rise up, why mourn this transient world of men?
Pass your whole life in gratitude and joy.
Had humankind been freed from womb and tomb,
When would your turn have come to live and love?
—Omar Khayyam

207 dog philosopher  Apr 30, 2014 6:12:42pm

re: #167 klys

There has been absolutely none of that and a ton of prove that this algorithm is O(n lg n) or whatever. It has been a very frustrating class so far, and the most recent homework just exacerbates it, plus they have been absolutely shitty about getting graded homeworks/solutions to the distance students - as in I have received nothing back yet.

being able to evaluate an algorithm’s big O run time is very useful:

space, RAM and disc, is cheap these days, but the fastest algorithm will always be the fastest algorithm. knowing how to figure out the big O will allow you to choose the best algorithm by saying things like “you know, with a dataset of size N and a runtime of big O of such and such, it will take about 2 days for this algorithm to crunch it but only 10 hours for the other algorithm. as ‘big data’ crunching becomes more and more popular, being able to figure runtime becomes a more and more valuable skill

as for proofs, however, i have never heard of a software engineer needing to think about proofs in my 28 years in the profession

i must recommend strongly, once again, the MIT analysis of algorithms course, available on the you tube, heavy on proofs but really great if you ignore that part, and also the SUNY course on the same topic, perhaps even better because it basically ignores proofs and concentrates on the USEFUL stuff

208 Varek Raith  Apr 30, 2014 6:13:42pm

re: #167 klys

There has been absolutely none of that and a ton of prove that this algorithm is O(n lg n) or whatever. It has been a very frustrating class so far, and the most recent homework just exacerbates it, plus they have been absolutely shitty about getting graded homeworks/solutions to the distance students - as in I have received nothing back yet.

Is this even English???

209 klys  Apr 30, 2014 6:15:00pm

re: #208 Varek Raith

Is this even English???

you think that’s bad, I could copy/paste some of the homework.

re: #207 dog philosopher

Thank you for that, especially the link to the SUNY course, which I suspect would be the most useful for me. I’m not planning on skipping the concepts, at all - I recognize their usefulness - I’m just trying to evaluate whether *this* class is the right way to approach it.

210 Varek Raith  Apr 30, 2014 6:15:54pm

re: #209 klys

you think that’s bad, I could copy/paste some of the homework.

Thank you for that, especially the link to the SUNY course, which I suspect would be the most useful for me. I’m not planning on skipping the concepts, at all - I recognize their usefulness - I’m just trying to evaluate whether *this* class is the right way to approach it.

Eh, no thanks. My head hurts enough as is.
XD

211 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2014 6:15:56pm

re: #209 klys

you think that’s bad, I could copy/paste some of the homework.

Thank you for that, especially the link to the SUNY course, which I suspect would be the most useful for me. I’m not planning on skipping the concepts, at all - I recognize their usefulness - I’m just trying to evaluate whether *this* class is the right way to approach it.

Well, that’s a horse of a different color! Why didn’t ya say so?!

/That stupid Pepsi commercial comprised of nothing but (slightly modified) movie quips is starting to get in my head.

212 dog philosopher  Apr 30, 2014 6:17:01pm

re: #199 Belafon

For example, I worked at a telecom company, and no one had ever heard of the algorithm for detecting the connectivity between subgraphs, which, when I learned it - I was going to college while I was programming - I thought it was one of the most obvious algorithms to be using.

it’s strange - graph algorithms sound so abstract until you find out how many real world problems are graph problems

the web is a graph. your shipping network problems is a graph. if you are doing any “travelling salesman” analysis - and there are highly paid experts in the field - you need to know the totally cool dynamic programming solutions to graph traversals

213 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2014 6:18:22pm

re: #98 CuriousLurker

I remember when that happened. So scared for you and then delighted beyond words when you recovered.
{{{{hugs}}}

214 klys  Apr 30, 2014 6:18:22pm

re: #211 thedopefishlives

Well, that’s a horse of a different color! Why didn’t ya say so?!

/That stupid Pepsi commercial comprised of nothing but (slightly modified) movie quips is starting to get in my head.

Haha, but why say it in one sentence when I can do it in 5 posts? That’s how you produce a thesis.

///

Yeah, sorry if that wasn’t clear. :) I’m not objecting to knowing the algorithms or their pros/cons at all. I’m just …this week’s homework asks me to solve various sorting algorithms in O notation taking into account the size of the cache. As the first problem.

215 dog philosopher  Apr 30, 2014 6:19:25pm

re: #209 klys

you think that’s bad, I could copy/paste some of the homework.

Thank you for that, especially the link to the SUNY course, which I suspect would be the most useful for me. I’m not planning on skipping the concepts, at all - I recognize their usefulness - I’m just trying to evaluate whether *this* class is the right way to approach it.

we had math professors teaching some computer science course where i studied computer science

math professors should never teach computer science courses - they completely miss the point of the class

216 klys  Apr 30, 2014 6:20:08pm

re: #215 dog philosopher

we had math professors teaching some computer science course where i studied computer science

math professors should never teach computer science courses - they completely miss the point of the class

The professor was delighted to tell us how many sums were in his thesis.

I cried a little, inside.

217 klys  Apr 30, 2014 6:22:07pm

re: #215 dog philosopher

we had math professors teaching some computer science course where i studied computer science

math professors should never teach computer science courses - they completely miss the point of the class

Also, the MIT class? I’ve looked through some of their material.

That class is very practical-application-oriented in their questions compared to what has shown up in my homework so far.

218 dog philosopher  Apr 30, 2014 6:35:25pm

and i particularly like skiena for including my work in his book

219 klys  Apr 30, 2014 6:36:23pm

re: #218 dog philosopher

and i particularly like skiena for including my work in his book

/adds to Amazon cart

220 klys  Apr 30, 2014 6:42:51pm

Thanks again, Lizards, for the input. It is appreciated as always.


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