And Now the Creationism Movie, “A Matter of Faith”

Deliberate anti-science ignorance gets the Hollywood treatment
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It takes a lot to make my jaw drop after all these eons of blogging, but the amazing thing about this new religious right film is that something so deliberately ignorant and anti-rational is actually being made in 2014.

In “A Matter of Faith,” a good Christian girl who was raised right by her creationist daddy goes off to college, and daddy’s worst fears come true — Rachel falls under the spell of a sinister egg-headed evolutionist professor!

But daddy isn’t gonna take this lying down, no sir. He challenges this atheist science-lover to a public debate, enlisting the aid of a courageous black teacher who quit rather than “teach evolutionary lies from those textbooks.” It’s a by-the-numbers Hollywood script, with mind-numbingly trite characters, written by religious fanatics.

Cue ridiculously over the top martial music as creationist daddy puts the Satan-worshipper in his place.

Here we see the good Christian girl on her first exposure to the evil lies of Charles Darwin, causing her perfectly made-up brow to furrow in unaccustomed thought. Thought she will soon come to repent.

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747 comments
1 b_sharp  May 1, 2014 5:46:40pm

They’ve become desperate over the last few years and the renewed RWNJ courage since 2008 has given them big brass balls.

2 Decatur Deb  May 1, 2014 5:46:51pm

Proper Christian Girls do not paint their faces. She’s a Jezebel to a chunk of the target demo.

3 thedopefishlives  May 1, 2014 5:48:32pm

My Christian friends and I all did a collective “dafuq” when this trailer showed up. Seriously, this pseudo-Christian crap movie fest needs to stop.

4 dog philosopher  May 1, 2014 5:50:11pm

re: #2 Decatur Deb

Proper Christian Girls do not paint their faces. She’s a Jezebel to a chunk of the target demo.

a natural hairdo with an eccentric braid, a men’s plaid shirt not tucked in, bluejeans and sneakers

CAN’T YOU PEOPLE SEE SHE’S AN ANTISOCIAL NONCONFORMIST BEATNIK!?!

5 Decatur Deb  May 1, 2014 5:50:48pm

I give it two opposable thumbs down.

6 dog philosopher  May 1, 2014 5:51:24pm

no no no no
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no no no i’m not
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7 Single-handed sailor  May 1, 2014 5:53:13pm

I watched “Inherit the Wind” last night. I’m amazed how far we’ve come in almost 100 years. //

8 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 1, 2014 5:55:27pm

I’m not even going to watch the trailer. Hearing earlier that the judge from Night Court is in this abomination was too much to bear.

9 Decatur Deb  May 1, 2014 5:56:52pm

jordan Trovillion has two R flicks under her chastity belt, one featuring teenage rape.

imdb.com

imdb.com

10 palomino  May 1, 2014 5:56:54pm

Christian themed movies seem to be filled with a lot of anger against modern science, evolution, secularism, and liberals in academia. Basically anyone who questions the inerrancy of Biblical text or the assumption that we are a Christian nation.

These people aren’t so much spreading the joyous good word, as making socially and politically charged movies expressing their resentment that we are slightly more religiously diverse than ever before.

11 thedopefishlives  May 1, 2014 5:58:40pm

re: #10 palomino

Christian themed movies seem to be filled with a lot of anger against modern science, evolution, secularism, and liberals in academia. Basically anyone who questions the inerrancy of Biblical text or the assumption that we are a Christian nation.

These people aren’t so much spreading the joyous good word, as making socially and politically charged movies expressing their resentment that we are slightly more religiously diverse than ever before.

And see, this is what makes me mad. If Christians would do less judging and more actual preaching, then maybe people would have a better opinion of them.

12 CriticalDragon1177  May 1, 2014 5:58:58pm

Charles Johnson

One does have to have faith to continue to take this stuff seriously, and by faith I mean blind faith. Pretty much anyone who understands science and the first amendment understands why “creation science” isn’t even allowed to be taught in our universities. It has nothing to do with being against Christianity or any other religion.

Also how many times do we have to tell these people that there are devout Christians out there that accept the scientific fact of evolution.

Theistic evolution
en.wikipedia.org

Christian Faith Requires Accepting Evolution
huffingtonpost.com

13 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 1, 2014 5:59:43pm

Harry Anderson is in this? How sad. “Night Court” was one of my grandmother’s favorite shows in the 80s and I used to enjoy watching it with her after school.

14 Decatur Deb  May 1, 2014 6:01:35pm

re: #13 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Harry Anderson is in this? How sad. “Night Court” was one of my grandmother’s favorite shows in the 80s and I used to enjoy watching it with her after school.

Ah-hem. It was one of my favorite shows. And change the channel next time you get up.

15 wrenchwench  May 1, 2014 6:02:57pm

Later, lizards.

16 RealityBasedSteve  May 1, 2014 6:05:50pm

According to David Barton, the founding fathers didn’t give the vote to women in order to protect the family and were simply following biblical principles. No, I’m not making that up… Paged

17 Pie-onist Overlord  May 1, 2014 6:06:16pm

Some grifter is collecting moneys to make a movie about Kermit Gosnell.

My bet is that he just keeps the money and never makes the film.

18 RealityBasedSteve  May 1, 2014 6:07:10pm

re: #15 wrenchwench

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Later, lizards.

That would get really twitchy in crosswinds / passing cars / riding by a farting frog. Pretty however.

RBS

19 austin_blue  May 1, 2014 6:07:35pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

Jordan Trovillion has two R flicks under her chastity belt, one featuring teenage rape.

imdb.com

imdb.com

Hey, a gig’s a gig.

20 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 6:08:20pm

re: #17 Pie-onist Overlord

Some grifter is collecting moneys to make a movie about Kermit Gosnell.

My bet is that he just keeps the money and never makes the film.

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I have no interest in watching either film. I’ll wait for Star Wars instead.

21 Pie-onist Overlord  May 1, 2014 6:09:03pm

IT’S A CHERRY PIE!

22 EPR-radar  May 1, 2014 6:09:15pm

re: #16 RealityBasedSteve

According to David Barton, the founding fathers didn’t give the vote to women in order to protect the family and were simply following biblical principles. No, I’m not making that up… Paged

Both this nonsense and the nonsense of the OP of this thread demonstrate that there is no form of stupidity more aggressive than stupidity grounded in religion.

23 RealityBasedSteve  May 1, 2014 6:09:59pm

re: #19 austin_blue

Hey, a gig’s a gig.

Let’s see, prior roles: Concession girl, waitress. I’m sure shes got the acting chops of Angelina Jolie.

RBS

24 Decatur Deb  May 1, 2014 6:10:00pm

re: #19 austin_blue

Hey, a gig’s a gig.

A gigue’s a gigue.

Youtube Video

25 austin_blue  May 1, 2014 6:12:05pm

re: #23 RealityBasedSteve

Let’s see, prior roles: Concession girl, waitress. I’m sure shes got the acting chops of Angelina Jolie.

RBS

But this could be her breakthrough role!

26 EPR-radar  May 1, 2014 6:14:02pm

Since creationists are incapable of winning a debate on the merits of their case in real life, they create a movie in which such debate occurs and their side wins because that is what is scripted.

What a brilliant idea! ///

27 b.d.  May 1, 2014 6:14:30pm

28 RealityBasedSteve  May 1, 2014 6:15:25pm

re: #25 austin_blue

But this could be her breakthrough role!

Or possibly condemm her to the hell of “Direct to DVD” and available in the “3 for 10 bucks” bin at the local Megalo-Mart.

RBS

29 Pie-onist Overlord  May 1, 2014 6:15:27pm

Youtube Video

30 austin_blue  May 1, 2014 6:15:42pm

re: #26 EPR-radar

Since creationists are incapable of winning a debate on the merits of their case in real life, they create a movie in which such debate occurs and their side wins because that is what is scripted.

What a brilliant idea! ///

Wow. It’s almost like you are inferring that movies are fictional…..

31 Gus  May 1, 2014 6:16:09pm

Related.

Darwin.

32 Skip Intro  May 1, 2014 6:16:40pm

I don’t remember any of my biology teachers using a rubber chicken and an egg to eggsplain evolution (sorry). I think I should get a refund.

33 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!  May 1, 2014 6:17:32pm

The only people who can appreciate this movie and the message it brings are right wing Christians and the Taliban, ironically.

34 b.d.  May 1, 2014 6:17:50pm

I BET THE LIBTARDS WHO GIVE OUT THE ACADEMY AWARDS PASS OVER THIS FILM TOO! HOOLYWEIRD HEATHENS!

35 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 1, 2014 6:17:51pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

re: #18 RealityBasedSteve

That would get really twitchy in crosswinds / passing cars / riding by a farting frog. Pretty however.

RBS

I guarantee I would inadvertently discover the perfect direction to ride at what time of day to ensure that the sun is reflected directly into your eyes at the exact moment both your brake cables snap as you’re cruising down a blind down-hill corner.

36 Skip Intro  May 1, 2014 6:17:58pm

re: #28 RealityBasedSteve

Or possibly condemm her to the hell of “Direct to DVD” and available in the “3 for 10 bucks” bin at the local Megalo-Mart.

RBS

I’m waiting for the Director’s Cut, with a forward by Sarah Palin.

37 Decatur Deb  May 1, 2014 6:18:55pm

re: #36 Skip Intro

I’m waiting for the Director’s Cut, with a forward by Sarah Palin.

Is there hot monkey-on-banana action?

38 Kragar  May 1, 2014 6:19:53pm

re: #28 RealityBasedSteve

Or possibly condemm her to the hell of “Direct to DVD” and available in the “3 for 10 bucks” bin at the local Megalo-Mart.

RBS

I feel sorry for all the kids who will have to write thank you notes to their dipshit relatives because of this movie.

39 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 1, 2014 6:20:27pm

Jordan Trovillion is also a model.

listal.com

Perhaps NSFW. Girl in bikini on sports car shot.

40 RealityBasedSteve  May 1, 2014 6:20:31pm

re: #21 Pie-onist Overlord

IT’S A CHERRY PIE!
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Looks like it bubbled over a little bit. I’m afraid that it’s not up to code, you are going to have to send it to me so that it can be properly destroyed so that innocent people aren’t hurt. //thinking that this won’t work… PO wasn’t born last week.

RBS

41 kirkspencer  May 1, 2014 6:20:37pm

FWIW, all these creationism/anti-science/historical revisionism movies have one golden goal.

They want to be the next Birth of a Nation.

42 Decatur Deb  May 1, 2014 6:20:56pm

re: #38 Kragar

I feel sorry for all the kids you will have to write thank you notes to their dipshit relatives because of this movie.

“Dearest Shit-for-brains, …”

43 austin_blue  May 1, 2014 6:21:33pm

re: #27 b.d.

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Yes. A book written by people completely ignorant of the water cycle (“Why does it rain, Papa?” “God wills it, dear.”) is used to deny the use of regressive genome analysis through RNA coding to determine the origin of species.
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Perfectly logical, and, most of all, an intelligent choice of how to view the actual world!

44 Amory Blaine  May 1, 2014 6:21:43pm

Fucking Harry from Night Court?!?!

Youtube Video

BTW Chuck Norris sucks.

45 EPR-radar  May 1, 2014 6:21:50pm

re: #30 austin_blue

Wow. It’s almost like you are inferring that movies are fictional…..

Pretty much, although IIRC I’d be “implying” and you’d be “inferring”.

46 klys  May 1, 2014 6:22:18pm

Doing communities on the Internet is hard, but it’s nice to see places work to combat that. I know we have a great one here thanks to Charles and my fellow Lizards. Hopefully the folks over at Comic Books Resources will be able to rebuild to the same:

To be clear: this is about more than just this one thread. While there are many examples of good conversation among great members on our old forums, hateful and ugly comments were allowed to be posted in the interest of “free speech,” which made the forums a place that wasn’t accepting or inviting. I’m ashamed to say, I didn’t take enough notice of what was happening.

That failure falls on me. And I apologize.

Props to them for taking the hard road to combat this.

47 Pie-onist Overlord  May 1, 2014 6:22:28pm

re: #20 NJDhockeyfan

I have no interest in watching either film. I’ll wait for Star Wars instead.

The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug is next up on my Netflix.

48 CriticalDragon1177  May 1, 2014 6:22:55pm

re: #29 Pie-onist Overlord

Youtube Video

That was one of the best speeches in court room drama that I’ve ever seen. I wonder how much of that was based on what he actually said during the real trial.

49 Decatur Deb  May 1, 2014 6:23:13pm

re: #39 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Jordan Trovillion is also a model.

listal.com

Perhaps NSFW. Girl in bikini on sports car shot.

Hate assprints in my Maguire’s.

50 Lidane  May 1, 2014 6:24:26pm

The funniest part of all this is that you don’t even need to use evolution to dismantle Creationism. Physics can manage it just fine.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson obliterated YEC with the simple observation that if the universe was as young as Creationists say it is, we couldn’t see any light past the Crab Nebula. Just the fact that we can observe stars and galaxies from much farther away proves these people wrong. The rest is details.

51 austin_blue  May 1, 2014 6:24:31pm

re: #45 EPR-radar

Pretty much, although IIRC I’d be “implying” and you’d be “inferring”.

Good catch. You are correct, sir.

52 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 6:25:08pm
53 Dark_Falcon  May 1, 2014 6:25:28pm

re: #17 Pie-onist Overlord

Some grifter is collecting moneys to make a movie about Kermit Gosnell.

My bet is that he just keeps the money and never makes the film.

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“There’s a sucker born every minute.”

54 jamesfirecat  May 1, 2014 6:25:39pm

A movie for all those who thought “Inherit the wind” was too much of a downer.

55 RealityBasedSteve  May 1, 2014 6:26:15pm

re: #47 Pie-onist Overlord

The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug is next up on my Netflix.

Dragons are proof of creation, dragons can breathe fire. How did they evolve the ability to breathe fire without getting burned? And they wouldn’t have developed the ability to not get burned without being able to breathe fire first. It’s irreducible complexity in action!

Therefore: The existence of Dragons is proof of creation.

RBS

56 Pie-onist Overlord  May 1, 2014 6:26:50pm
57 Justanotherhuman  May 1, 2014 6:27:32pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

jordan Trovillion has two R flicks under her chastity belt, one featuring teenage rape.

imdb.com

imdb.com

It doesn’t appear that her acting has improved any since those 2, either.

58 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 1, 2014 6:27:48pm

Headed off to sleep early tonight.
Laters, everyone.

59 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 6:27:56pm

My 11 yo daughter just told her mom that it’s a scientific fact that women fart 3 times more than men. How cool is that? Lol

60 Dark_Falcon  May 1, 2014 6:29:01pm

re: #54 jamesfirecat

A movie for all those who thought “Inherit the wind” was too much of a downer.

The makers of this piece of drek would think William Jennings Bryan a “PROGRESSIVE MARXIST COMMIE!!1”. They’re right that Bryan was a Progressive in some ways, but they don’t really know what any of those three words actually means.

61 Decatur Deb  May 1, 2014 6:29:01pm

re: #55 RealityBasedSteve

Dragons are proof of creation, dragons can breathe fire. How did they evolve the ability to breathe fire without getting burned. And they wouldn’t have developed the ability to not get burned without being able to breathe fire first. It’s irreducible complexity in action!

Therefore: The existence of Dragons is proof of creation.

RBS

Poul Anderson explained that, IIRC

amazon.com

62 CriticalDragon1177  May 1, 2014 6:29:35pm

re: #17 Pie-onist Overlord

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

Actually for all we know, he may end up making the film, but it will probably do little to nothing to change the average person’s position on the issue of Abortion, much like this stupid “A Matter Of Faith” movie will do little to nothing to change the average person’s position on evolution.

63 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 1, 2014 6:29:41pm

re: #50 Lidane

The funniest part of all this is that you don’t even need to use evolution to dismantle Creationism. Physics can manage it just fine.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson obliterated YEC with the simple observation that if the universe was as young as Creationists say it is, we couldn’t see any light past the Crab Nebula. Just the fact that we can observe stars and galaxies from much farther away proves these people wrong. The rest is details.

Creationists have a hand-waving explanation for that: the speed of light has not been constant during the life of the universe. They have a similar argument for radioactive dating: decay rates have changed over time. How? God did it. Why? … Next question?

64 austin_blue  May 1, 2014 6:30:07pm

re: #50 Lidane

The funniest part of all this is that you don’t even need to use evolution to dismantle Creationism. Physics can manage it just fine.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson obliterated YEC with the simple observation that if the universe was as young as Creationists say it is, we couldn’t see any light past the Crab Nebula. Just the fact that we can observe stars and galaxies from much farther away proves these people wrong. The rest is details.

God put that light there! Duh!

He scattered fossils in various strata of the earth and scattered isotopes displaying different ages in those strata to fool us foolish humans that science has value and that the Earth is old!

The Bible says it, I believe it, and that settles it.

(Now why is it you can’t argue with these poor self-deluded ninnies and feebs?)

65 TedStriker  May 1, 2014 6:30:31pm

re: #19 austin_blue

Hey, a gig’s a gig.

I’m hoping that’s Harry Anderson’s excuse.

66 Decatur Deb  May 1, 2014 6:30:59pm

re: #59 NJDhockeyfan

My 11 yo daughter just told her mom that it’s a scientific fact that women fart 3 times more than men. How cool is that? Lol

Are you in the control group?

67 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 6:32:09pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

Are you in the control group?

Naaa , but I gave her one of mine :)

68 CriticalDragon1177  May 1, 2014 6:32:43pm

re: #55 RealityBasedSteve

Dragons are proof of creation, dragons can breathe fire. How did they evolve the ability to breathe fire without getting burned. And they wouldn’t have developed the ability to not get burned without being able to breathe fire first. It’s irreducible complexity in action!

Therefore: The existence of Dragons is proof of creation.

RBS

Oh yes indeed it does ;)

Youtube Video

LOL!

69 b.d.  May 1, 2014 6:32:44pm

Damn! I am pretty sure that my local weather forecaster was the runner up.

70 Decatur Deb  May 1, 2014 6:33:27pm

re: #67 NJDhockeyfan

Naaa , but I gave her one of mine :)

Tennessee Department of Children’s Services have been notified.

71 EPR-radar  May 1, 2014 6:34:30pm

re: #50 Lidane

The funniest part of all this is that you don’t even need to use evolution to dismantle Creationism. Physics can manage it just fine.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson obliterated YEC with the simple observation that if the universe was as young as Creationists say it is, we couldn’t see any light past the Crab Nebula. Just the fact that we can observe stars and galaxies from much farther away proves these people wrong. The rest is details.

To be a bit pedantic, that is not a proof.

An omnipotent deity could create a universe that is young but merely looks old.

Of course, that level of unreasonable skepticism doesn’t help the creationists very much, since an old-looking universe created 5 minutes ago is just as plausible as an old-looking universe created in 4004 BC.

Ultimately, YEC is based on taking the Bible (interpreted in stupid ways) to be infallible evidence, while systematically disregarding all other evidence and reasoning. Those who do this knowingly are basically liars.

72 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 1, 2014 6:35:05pm

re: #39 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

What kind of car is that?

73 TedStriker  May 1, 2014 6:35:36pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Tennessee Department of Children’s Services have been notified.

Investigator: “When was the last time you subjected your wife to a ‘Dutch oven’?”

///

74 Single-handed sailor  May 1, 2014 6:37:04pm

re: #73 TedStriker

Cop: “When was the last time you gave your wife a ‘Dutch oven’?”

///

For some reason my wife doesn’t find those as amusing as I do.

75 Decatur Deb  May 1, 2014 6:37:54pm

re: #74 Single-handed sailor

For some reason my wife doesn’t find those as amusing as I do.

c.shld.net

76 Mattand  May 1, 2014 6:38:46pm

re: #5 Decatur Deb

I give it two opposable thumbs down.

Ell. Oh. Ell.

77 HappyWarrior  May 1, 2014 6:39:35pm

This is the kind of shit that explains why we’re declining and it’s why I will never think much of religious fundamentalism. It’s a dangerous mindset that doesn’t encourage people to think critically.

78 Dark_Falcon  May 1, 2014 6:39:47pm

re: #64 austin_blue

Finally, you and I are here at the same time. I’ve been saving this article for you since Sunday:

USAF receives first CONECT-upgraded B-52 bomber

The US Air Force (USAF) has received into service the first of 76 B-52H Stratofortress bombers to go through the Combat Network Communications Technology (CONECT) digital data suite upgrade.

The aircraft was accepted during a ceremony at Barksdale Air Force Base (AFB), Louisiana, on 25 April after having gone through the nine-month upgrade at the Oklahoma City Air Logistics Complex located at Tinker AFB.

Designed to give the crew of the B-52 a modern digital communications suite to tie in with USAF command-and-control centres, ground forces, and other network-enabled platforms, the CONECT upgrade has been likened to taking the legacy bomber from a rotary-dial phone to a smartphone in terms of its connectivity capabilities.

CONECT enhancements include the ability to re-task the B-52 mid-flight, rather than having to land and change the mission profile cartridges if the target changes. ‘J-Series’ messages can now be shared with mission commanders via satellite, and the system also allows for limited direct air-to-ground digital communication through nine-line ‘K-Series’ messaging.

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79 dog philosopher  May 1, 2014 6:40:19pm

re: #12 CriticalDragon1177

Also how many times do we have to tell these people that there are devout Christians out there that accept the scientific fact of evolution.

the sisters who ran the religious high school i went to would always emphasize that they were “modern” christians, and mention teilhard de chardin as their favorite example of science believing religious professionals

80 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 6:40:34pm

re: #74 Single-handed sailor

For some reason my wife doesn’t find those as amusing as I do.

Funny that. Mine doesn’t like it when I tell her about the ones she makes when she’s sleeping.

81 Gus  May 1, 2014 6:40:43pm
82 Decatur Deb  May 1, 2014 6:41:37pm

re: #79 dog philosopher

the sisters who ran the religious high school i went to would always emphasize that they were “modern” christians, and mention teilhard de chardin as their favorite example of science believing religious professionals

Such a good paleontologist that Piltdown Man was blamed on him for a while. (He didn’t do it.)

83 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 6:42:21pm

Bbiab

84 RealityBasedSteve  May 1, 2014 6:43:26pm

re: #68 CriticalDragon1177

Oh yes indeed it does ;)

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Video

LOL!

Winning line…. “If reading’s not your thing… we’ve got it on DVD”.

85 RealityBasedSteve  May 1, 2014 6:45:53pm

re: #71 EPR-radar

To be a bit pedantic, that is not a proof.

An omnipotent deity could create a universe that is young but merely looks old.

Of course, that level of unreasonable skepticism doesn’t help the creationists very much, since an old-looking universe created 5 minutes ago is just as plausible as an old-looking universe created in 4004 BC.

Ultimately, YEC is based on taking the Bible (interpreted in stupid ways) to be infallible evidence, while systematically disregarding all other evidence and reasoning. Those who do this knowingly are basically liars.

So, by their logic, since Krager creates detailed worlds of miniature figurines that depict a reality that doesn’t exist, he’s a god.

I’ll have to remember to up-ding him more. (One can never be too careful with deities)

RBS

86 Gus  May 1, 2014 6:46:16pm
87 austin_blue  May 1, 2014 6:46:22pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

Finally, you and I are here at the same time. I’ve been saving this article for you since Sunday:

USAF receives first CONECT-upgraded B-52 bomber

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The B-52Hs were the ones I was flying out of KI Sawyer. We didn’t even have GPS and used HF radio bands to communicate with Omaha when we were doing across the pond exercises. My ears bled. Thanks, DF.

88 Gus  May 1, 2014 6:46:42pm
89 Mattand  May 1, 2014 6:47:33pm

re: #46 klys

Doing communities on the Internet is hard, but it’s nice to see places work to combat that. I know we have a great one here thanks to Charles and my fellow Lizards. Hopefully the folks over at Comic Books Resources will be able to rebuild to the same:

Props to them for taking the hard road to combat this.

Wow. That’s really impressive. Good on CBR.

90 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 6:47:50pm

Brunei introduces Islamic sharia penalties, including death by stoning for adultery

A controversial new penal code for oil-rich Brunei that will eventually include tough Islamic sharia penalties such as severing of limbs and death by stoning came into effect on Thursday.
…
The initial phase beginning introduces fines or jail terms for offences including indecent behaviour, failure to attend Friday prayers, and out-of-wedlock pregnancies.

There were no known events to mark Thursday’s implementation.

A second phase covering crimes such as theft and robbery is to start later this year, involving more stringent penalties such as severing of limbs and flogging.

Late next year, punishments such as death by stoning for offences including sodomy and adultery will be introduced.

91 RealityBasedSteve  May 1, 2014 6:47:53pm

re: #86 Gus

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That mike is SO begging for a CNN Logo on it.

RBS

92 Dark_Falcon  May 1, 2014 6:48:10pm

re: #87 austin_blue

The B-52Hs were the ones I was flying out of KI Sawyer. We didn’t even have GPS and used HF radio bands to communicate with Omaha when we were doing across the pond exercises. My ears bled. Thanks, DF.

I thought you’d like it. It’s a very good upgrade.

93 Amory Blaine  May 1, 2014 6:48:48pm

Governor Dropout and his merry band of fucking morans idea of fiscal conservatism.

2 high-speed train sets built for Wisconsin set to leave Milwaukee

At the same time, Doyle successfully secured $810 million in federal stimulus money for the new Madison to Milwaukee train line, which Talgo hoped to manufacture trains for as well.

Walker argued that the high-speed rail project would cost state taxpayers over the long term in rejecting the federal money after he was elected. Supporters maintain it would have created hundreds of jobs and given the region’s economy a boost.

The State of Wisconsin spent $52 million on the two trains before Walker and the Republican administration canceled a maintenance contract,disputed costs and halted payments, leading Talgo to terminate its contract and keep the trains.

Talgo is suing the state in Dane County Circuit Court for clear title to the trains and the money the state already has paid the firm.

It also has a claim against the state for $65.9 million, which the state Claims Board was expected to discuss Wednesday in a closed session. A decision will be made within 20 days.

Both the Wisconsin Department of Transportation and the state attorney general’s office declined to comment on the lawsuits.

94 Eventual Carrion  May 1, 2014 6:50:23pm

re: #55 RealityBasedSteve

Dragons are proof of creation, dragons can breathe fire. How did they evolve the ability to breathe fire without getting burned? And they wouldn’t have developed the ability to not get burned without being able to breathe fire first. It’s irreducible complexity in action!

Therefore: The existence of Dragons is proof of creation.

RBS

How does an electric eel not electrocute itself?

95 dog philosopher  May 1, 2014 6:52:21pm

re: #55 RealityBasedSteve

Dragons are proof of creation, dragons can breathe fire. How did they evolve the ability to breathe fire without getting burned? And they wouldn’t have developed the ability to not get burned without being able to breathe fire first. It’s irreducible complexity in action!

Therefore: The existence of Dragons is proof of creation.

RBS

[x] QED

96 austin_blue  May 1, 2014 6:53:38pm

re: #71 EPR-radar

To be a bit pedantic, that is not a proof.

An omnipotent deity could create a universe that is young but merely looks old.

Of course, that level of unreasonable skepticism doesn’t help the creationists very much, since an old-looking universe created 5 minutes ago is just as plausible as an old-looking universe created in 4004 BC.

Ultimately, YEC is based on taking the Bible (interpreted in stupid ways) to be infallible evidence, while systematically disregarding all other evidence and reasoning. Those who do this knowingly are basically liars.

Well, yes. Also on a pedantic note, the Judeo-Christian God is presented as omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. This gives Him the ability to hear every prayer of every parent with a dying child. Unfortunately, especially before advances in medical science, He almost always said “NO.”

Which made Him, pretty much, the Biggest Asshole in the Universe. And in most of the world today, He hasn’t changed his tune.

97 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 6:54:55pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Brunei introduces Islamic sharia penalties, including death by stoning for adultery

Court battles and investigations revealed salacious details of Prince Jefri’s un-Islamic jet-set lifestyle, including allegations of a high-priced harem of Western women and a luxury yacht he owned called “Tits”.

lol

98 Gus  May 1, 2014 6:55:20pm
99 Gus  May 1, 2014 6:56:07pm
100 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!  May 1, 2014 6:56:26pm

re: #39 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

She’s a beautiful girl.

101 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 1, 2014 6:56:31pm

re: #59 NJDhockeyfan

My 11 yo daughter just told her mom that it’s a scientific fact that women fart 3 times more than men. How cool is that? Lol

Given the number of humans in the world population, and given the number of times each one of them farts per day on average, it stands to reason that there is never any moment when no human is farting. Someone, somewhere, is farting RIGHT NOW. Science.

102 Gus  May 1, 2014 6:56:55pm
103 Petero1818  May 1, 2014 6:57:18pm

I know this isn’t the central problem with this story, but in what world is it appropriate for a father of a student to challenge a University on the curriculum that his 19 year old daughter is studying. Isn’t the idea that they become young adults and learn to figure things out for themselves?

104 Lidane  May 1, 2014 6:57:23pm

I have never understood the need for the Bible to be literal or for the Earth to be a few thousand years old. That doesn’t make a bit of sense to me.

IMO, if your faith is so fragile that you need those things in order to believe in a God, or to rationalize being a good person, then you’re doing it wrong.

105 Gus  May 1, 2014 6:58:35pm
106 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!  May 1, 2014 6:58:35pm

re: #103 Petero1818

NO.

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107 jaunte  May 1, 2014 6:58:53pm

re: #103 Petero1818

Purity Ball World.
en.wikipedia.org

108 Gus  May 1, 2014 6:59:34pm
109 EPR-radar  May 1, 2014 6:59:36pm

re: #96 austin_blue

Well, yes. Also on a pedantic note, the Judeo-Christian God is presented as omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. This gives Him the ability to hear every prayer of every parent with a dying child. Unfortunately, especially before advances in medical science, He almost always said “NO.”

Which made Him, pretty much, the Biggest Asshole in the Universe. And in most of the world today, He hasn’t changed his tune.

In that narrative, the creator is also personally responsible for creating all the woes of the world, including such lovely examples as bot flies, Guinea worms, and various nasty pathogens.

I know that this is all supposed to be punishment for original sin, but that explanation doesn’t really help at all.

110 Dark_Falcon  May 1, 2014 6:59:45pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Brunei introduces Islamic sharia penalties, including death by stoning for adultery

Freedom got pushed back a step with this action. The people of Brunei are going to suffer for the ruler’s claimed piety.

And the hate that will be spewed about this by “Shrieky and the Freeps” doesn’t bear thinking about.

111 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 7:00:09pm

re: #98 Gus

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Maybe the Russians gave refuge to members of Q’Daffy’s regime that managed to escape.

112 dog philosopher  May 1, 2014 7:00:26pm

creationism: the phenomenon whereby having difficulty believing something that’s amazing causes you to believe in something that’s impossible

113 Kragar  May 1, 2014 7:01:10pm

re: #104 Lidane

I have never understood the need for the Bible to be literal or for the Earth to be a few thousand years old. That doesn’t make a bit of sense to me.

IMO, if your faith is so fragile that you need those things in order to believe in a God, or to rationalize being a good person, then you’re doing it wrong.

I remember the first time I ran into a literalist. This was back in my USMC days. There were some guys talking about Jericho, and I mentioned the theory about how sappers were engaged to undermine the walls and the horns and trumpets were used to cover up the sounds of the digging.

You would have sworn I just crapped in their cheerios.

114 EPR-radar  May 1, 2014 7:01:17pm

re: #103 Petero1818

I know this isn’t the central problem with this story, but in what world is it appropriate for a father of a student to challenge a University on the curriculum that his 19 year old daughter is studying. Isn’t the idea that they become young adults and learn to figure things out for themselves?

Another serious problem with this warped story is that Daddy has to be the one to take action. The female student is a passive object of manipulation by the professor and rescue by the father.

115 Gus  May 1, 2014 7:01:21pm
116 Skip Intro  May 1, 2014 7:01:24pm

re: #103 Petero1818

I know this isn’t the central problem with this story, but in what world is it appropriate for a father of a student to challenge a University on the curriculum that his 19 year old daughter is studying. Isn’t the idea that they become young adults and learn to figure things out for themselves?

I was wondering why he’d send her to one of those godless hellholes in the first place. Was he trying to tempt her?

One thing’s for sure. You won’t see the Holy Palins sending their kids to college.

117 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 7:02:30pm

re: #108 Gus

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I’m getting a strong whiff of nostalgia for the “good old days” of the Soviet Union these days. We may be dealing with Putin for quite some time.

118 austin_blue  May 1, 2014 7:02:58pm

re: #109 EPR-radar

In that narrative, the creator is also personally responsible for creating all the woes of the world, including such lovely examples as bot flies, Guinea worms, and various nasty pathogens.

I know that this is all supposed to be punishment for original sin, but that explanation doesn’t really help at all.

Nah-nah-nah. That’s Satan. Cancer, too. Odd that God can’t wipe that shit out.

119 Dark_Falcon  May 1, 2014 7:03:23pm

re: #99 Gus

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Filth, no other word for those signs with pictures of Stalin. And despicable that those holding them think he’s worthy of such praise.

120 Gus  May 1, 2014 7:03:23pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

I’m getting a strong whiff of nostalgia for the “good old days” of the Soviet Union these days. We may be dealing with Putin for quite some time.

121 Gus  May 1, 2014 7:03:44pm
122 Amory Blaine  May 1, 2014 7:03:51pm

re: #103 Petero1818

Because busybody suburbanites know every fucking thing. Not some stupid science department.

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123 William Barnett-Lewis  May 1, 2014 7:04:08pm

This movie and it’s pretense of Christianity reminds me of a couple of things from my parish priest - he’s described the pitfalls of fundamentalism thus: The heresy of inerrancy and the idolatry of certainty.

To be sure their faith is so weak that they can’t allow god to be bigger than what little they can imagine.

This was the same priest who last Sunday preached that doubt was a good and important part of faith for Doubting Thomas Sunday ;) God can easily handle us having questions and those are necessary for growth. I suggested to him that perhaps one might even think of doubt as reason’s sacrament … O_o

124 jaunte  May 1, 2014 7:04:11pm

re: #105 Gus

Nobody ever thinks they could be the ones who wind up being Ivan Denisovitch.

125 Gus  May 1, 2014 7:05:04pm
126 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!  May 1, 2014 7:05:16pm

re: #120 Gus

It’s like they feel lost without a violent, bossy, man at the helm.

127 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 1, 2014 7:05:44pm

re: #72 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I think it’s a Mazda RX-8, but I’m not that sure.

128 William Barnett-Lewis  May 1, 2014 7:06:00pm

re: #105 Gus

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Oh, yeah, fun guy. Liked to cruise the streets of Moscow for women to abduct and rape. Stalin wouldn’t allow his daughter to be alone with him … think about that for a moment…

129 Gus  May 1, 2014 7:06:54pm
130 HappyWarrior  May 1, 2014 7:06:56pm

re: #128 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, yeah, fun guy. Liked to cruise the streets of Moscow for women to abduct and rape. Stalin wouldn’t allow his daughter to be alone with him … think about that for a moment…

Yeah sick puppy. One of the most evil members of the Stalin regime.

131 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!  May 1, 2014 7:07:48pm

re: #121 Gus

Wow, this has got to really confuse the American right wingers! lol.

132 EPR-radar  May 1, 2014 7:08:21pm

re: #118 austin_blue

Nah-nah-nah. That’s Satan. Cancer, too. Odd that God can’t wipe that shit out.

Everything that Satan supposedly does, he does with God’s consent. It’s real hard to pass the buck if you’re supposed to be omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent.

133 The Ghost of a Flea  May 1, 2014 7:08:46pm

Ever notice how this “Christian” genre operates with the premise that many, many Christians with alternate dogma are part of the evil oppressors, or don’t exist?

134 Dark_Falcon  May 1, 2014 7:09:28pm

re: #122 Amory Blaine

Because busybody suburbanites know every fucking thing. Not some stupid science department.

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The Captain America costume is especially ironic, because the level of control this ‘Christian’ film aspires to is so high and dogmatic that I find myself thinking that the password to the VIP section of the movie’s afterparty will be “Hail HYDRA!”.

135 Gus  May 1, 2014 7:09:35pm
136 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!  May 1, 2014 7:10:20pm

re: #129 Gus

What in $%#@# tarnation is going on over there?!

137 TedStriker  May 1, 2014 7:10:30pm

re: #133 The Ghost of a Flea

Ever notice how this “Christian” genre operates with the premise that many, many Christians with alternate dogma are part of the evil oppressors, or don’t exist?

It’s the “you’re either with us or against us” polemic.

138 The Ghost of a Flea  May 1, 2014 7:10:49pm

re: #105 Gus


Serial rapist in his spare time.

139 HappyWarrior  May 1, 2014 7:11:53pm

re: #136 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!

What in $%#@# tarnation is going on over there?!

Neo-Nazism is actually quite prevalent in Russia despite the Nazis brutality during their invasion of the USSR and Nazi’s prejudice towards the Slavic people. Goes back to the long history of Anti-Semitism in Russia that actually played a big influence on the Nazis so in a way it’s this crazy world going full circle.

140 austin_blue  May 1, 2014 7:12:03pm

re: #132 EPR-radar

Everything that Satan supposedly does, he does with God’s consent. It’s real hard to pass the buck if you’re supposed to be omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent.

No shit, bubba. That’s the turd in the punchbowl.

141 dog philosopher  May 1, 2014 7:12:08pm

re: #132 EPR-radar

Everything that Satan supposedly does, he does with God’s consent. It’s real hard to pass the buck if you’re supposed to be omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent.

when the church confronted this question, they decided definitively that there could be no power in the universe outside of god’s control. but, this left “the problem of evil”

the usual answer is to pass the buck and say “it’s all part of god’s plan but we don’t understand it”

god is a being whose circumference is nowhere and whose self-proclaimed sole authorized representatives are everywhere

142 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 1, 2014 7:12:26pm

re: #100 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!

She’s a beautiful girl.

No argument there. I’m curious whether she believes in Creationism, or whether this role is just a way to pay the rent. I suspect the latter, but seeing as she is from Ohio, both options could be true.

143 Targetpractice  May 1, 2014 7:13:09pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

Neo-Nazism is actually quite prevalent in Russia despite the Nazis brutality during their invasion of the USSR and Nazi’s prejudice towards the Slavic people. Goes back to the long history of Anti-Semitism in Russia that actually played a big influence on the Nazis so in a way it’s this crazy world going full circle.

Reminds me of Metro 2033.

144 Gus  May 1, 2014 7:13:35pm

re: #138 The Ghost of a Flea


Serial rapist in his spare time.

O.o

145 Gus  May 1, 2014 7:14:15pm
146 Decatur Deb  May 1, 2014 7:15:44pm

re: #136 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!

What in $%#@# tarnation is going on over there?!

Nostalgia.

147 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!  May 1, 2014 7:16:45pm

re: #142 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Oh, I hope you didn’t think I was giving you push back on that. I was more or less kinda’ typing out loud.
And yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was to pay the bills.

148 Dark_Falcon  May 1, 2014 7:17:38pm

re: #138 The Ghost of a Flea


Serial rapist in his spare time.

Indeed. Nikita Khrushchev Marshal Zhukov did the world a service when they had that monster put down.

149 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 7:18:02pm

re: #87 austin_blue

The B-52Hs were the ones I was flying out of KI Sawyer. We didn’t even have GPS and used HF radio bands to communicate with Omaha when we were doing across the pond exercises. My ears bled. Thanks, DF.

I used to work on those B-52Hs at KI Sawyer.

150 Gus  May 1, 2014 7:18:17pm
151 austin_blue  May 1, 2014 7:19:31pm

re: #149 NJDhockeyfan

I used to work on those B-52Hs at KI Sawyer.

What years? I was there from ‘80 to ‘83. Were you FMS?

152 HappyWarrior  May 1, 2014 7:20:23pm

The photos of the Soviet leaders remind me of icons and their importance in the Russian Orthodox Church. I don’t think that’s unintentional at all.

153 dog philosopher  May 1, 2014 7:20:46pm

putin it seems to me has learned from the wingnut politicians in this country how to bring out the worst instincts in his countrymen for his personal political purposes

in the end though i think his fleas will be even worse

154 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 1, 2014 7:22:10pm

re: #127 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

She needs to get her ass off the badge. No photographer should shoot a shot like that where you can’t identify the car!

155 Dark_Falcon  May 1, 2014 7:22:41pm

re: #150 Gus

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Kind of ironic that those racists are holding Communist banners while mocking a man whose father was in fact a Communist. It’s also deeply sick, of course, and as bad as those racist sign at Tea Party rallies.

156 Pie-onist Overlord  May 1, 2014 7:24:26pm

WTFITS
Fantasy Pr0n of a “Patriot”
I can’t wait for this “American Spring” thing, it will be a huge Fail like the “1000000 Truckers”

157 RealityBasedSteve  May 1, 2014 7:24:35pm

re: #141 dog philosopher

when the church confronted this question, they decided definitively that there could be no power in the universe outside of god’s control. but, this left “the problem of evil”

the usual answer is to pass the buck and say “it’s all part of god’s plan but we don’t understand it”

god is a being whose circumference is nowhere and whose self-proclaimed sole authorized representatives are everywhere

I asked a very fundamental co-worker of mine (who was always asking me to “Come to my church sometime, you’ll enjoy it”, so I felt I was within my rights), “Simply explain the story of Job to me, how a man that was very upright, who believed in God and did all he could to please him could be used as a token in a game between God and the Devil? How he could be tortured with worse and worse disasters, ending in the death of his family simply as a bet with the Devil.” How can a loving God do that? I can appreciate the story of Job as how there are things that you don’t control, that all will work out in the end, (Always look on the bright side of Life…), but if read literally you can’t help but think of the SAW franchise of movies, and God saying “Let’s play a game…”

Didn’t end well….

RBS

158 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 1, 2014 7:24:49pm

re: #103 Petero1818

I know this isn’t the central problem with this story, but in what world is it appropriate for a father of a student to challenge a University on the curriculum that his 19 year old daughter is studying. Isn’t the idea that they become young adults and learn to figure things out for themselves?

Because God.

More seriously, Creationists belong to a group of people that distrust “secular” universities, continuing a tradition dating back to the 11th century at least. For them, universities that encourage free thought are the Enemy, because they are well aware that appropriate education weakens blind faith and obedience to church authority. Their hero, in this case, is a courageous father who stands up to the Enemy and beats it down with his ironclad arguments for Biblical Creation.

A perhaps unwitting subtext is that no sensible Creationist would send his child to such a den of inequity in the first place, and would instead require her to attend a Bible-based college or university.

As for the idea that she’s 19 and an adult, you have not been paying attention to the Religious Right. In their minds, since she’s a girl, she is under the protection/authority of her father until she gets married. Then it’s her husband’s turn. Some extremists don’t even allow their girls to attend college, lest their marriageabiity be sullied by close proximity to boys and books and stuff.

159 Pie-onist Overlord  May 1, 2014 7:24:59pm

re: #127 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I think it’s a Mazda RX-8, but I’m not that sure.

Looks like a Maserati.

160 RealityBasedSteve  May 1, 2014 7:26:57pm

re: #159 Pie-onist Overlord

Looks like a Maserati.

Car?

RBS

161 Amory Blaine  May 1, 2014 7:27:00pm

re: #156 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS
Fantasy Pr0n of a “Patriot”
I can’t wait for this “American Spring” thing, it will be a huge Fail like the “1000000 Truckers”

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Jesus fucking Christ all the fucking shit I had to take during the Bush years branded a “traitor” by these same assholes.

163 William Barnett-Lewis  May 1, 2014 7:28:07pm

Hell with those idiots, here’s something completely different…

iwm.org.uk

Lt Tolkien’s Webley Mk VI

Lt. J. R. R. Tolkien’s service revolver from when he served as a signals officer during the the Battle of the Somme. As for what it’s .455 round could do to an Orc, I’m sure the hole would make a hobbit smial… ;)

164 Targetpractice  May 1, 2014 7:28:25pm

re: #156 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS
Fantasy Pr0n of a “Patriot”
I can’t wait for this “American Spring” thing, it will be a huge Fail like the “1000000 Truckers”

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We’re just 15 days from the next deadline extension, aren’t we?

As to the picture itself, it’s a good thing that the government is not as tyrannical as they believe, else their asses would be in cells for promoting armed insurrection and treason.

165 Pie-onist Overlord  May 1, 2014 7:28:42pm

re: #161 Amory Blaine

Jesus fucking Christ all the fucking shit I had to take during the Bush years branded a “traitor” by these same assholes.

They have this fantasy that the military will join them instead of kick their asses into the pavement.

166 Gus  May 1, 2014 7:29:11pm

re: #159 Pie-onist Overlord

Looks like a Maserati.

Yep.

167 HappyWarrior  May 1, 2014 7:29:17pm

Wingnuts are such whiny little shits.

168 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 7:29:39pm

re: #151 austin_blue

What years? I was there from ‘80 to ‘83. Were you FMS?

I was there 82-84. I did Bomb Nav. Not much going on up there but i do remember how cold it gets. 60 or 70 degrees below zero wasn’t unusual.

169 austin_blue  May 1, 2014 7:30:03pm

re: #163 William Barnett-Lewis

Hell with those idiots, here’s something completely different…

iwm.org.uk

Lt Tolkien’s Webley Mk VI

Lt. J. R. R. Tolkien’s service revolver from when he served as a signals officer during the the Battle of the Somme. As for what it’s .455 round could do to an Orc, I’m sure the hole would make a hobbit smial… ;)

Wembley! Damn good “sit down” gun.

170 HappyWarrior  May 1, 2014 7:30:46pm

We’re so repressed like the Jews in Nazi Germany but please vote for our candidates! Wait what?

171 Dark_Falcon  May 1, 2014 7:32:31pm

A pro-Russian militiaman who clearly is behind the times:

Image: tumblr_n4vmbxjnbO1r9khx4o1_1280.jpg

Note his cap badge: The two-headed eagle is a classic symbol of Russia, but this fellow takes it further; His badge also features the crown, orb and scepter that were the symbols of the Romanov dynasty. Bit of a clash with the old Soviet symbols.

172 austin_blue  May 1, 2014 7:32:42pm

re: #168 NJDhockeyfan

I was there 82-84. I did Bomb Nav. Not much going on up there but i do remember how cold it gets. 60 or 70 degrees below zero wasn’t unusual.

Well, with wind chill. That Giant Lance in January of ‘83 was just brutal. SAC changed the rules after that because we put so many ratings in the hospital for contact frostbite burns.

173 Targetpractice  May 1, 2014 7:33:23pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

We’re so repressed like the Jews in Nazi Germany but please vote for our candidates! Wait what?

Yeah, I don’t think a lot of folks in the Reichstag wore yellow stars.

174 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 1, 2014 7:33:27pm

re: #147 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!

Oh, I hope you didn’t think I was giving you push back on that. I was more or less kinda’ typing out loud.
And yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was to pay the bills.

Haha, not at all. My first thought when I saw the photo Charles used was, “Hey, beautiful girl! Too bad she looks so unhappy in that photo.”

Hollywood is full of beautiful/handsome people trying to make it big in Showbiz. Looks are usually not enough, though. Unless they are sleeping their way to the top (as it were), actual acting talent is required.

175 Skip Intro  May 1, 2014 7:34:29pm

re: #157 RealityBasedSteve

My understanding of the story of Job is that the Satan referenced there isn’t the Satan, but just one of the beings God hangs around with and takes suggestions from about how to test the love of his people.

Since Jesus knew his bible, he had to know what “dad” had planned for him.

176 Amory Blaine  May 1, 2014 7:34:56pm

This I guaran-fucking-tee, after Obama’s term any wingnut left in my life will be ridiculed mercilessly and publicly for their delusions of tyrannical bullshit. No quarter!!!!

177 HappyWarrior  May 1, 2014 7:35:11pm

re: #173 Targetpractice

Yeah, I don’t think a lot of folks in the Reichstag wore yellow stars.

Yeah but you know Obama would if he wanted to because you know it’s only the second amendment preventing Obama from going full on Hitler.

178 RealityBasedSteve  May 1, 2014 7:36:15pm

re: #175 Skip Intro

My understanding of the story of Job is that the Satan referenced there isn’t the Satan, but just one of the beings God hangs around with and takes suggestions from about how to test the love of his people.

Since Jesus knew his bible, he had to know what “dad” had planned for him.

So, God hangs out with DudeDeities and they like to do the equivalent of pulling wings off of flies? That makes me feel a LOT better.

RBS

180 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!  May 1, 2014 7:38:04pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

We’re so repressed like the Jews in Nazi Germany but please vote for our candidates! Wait what?

We are oppressed and “un free” just like plantation slaves were.
Now get the **** out of here BLM!

/

181 Dark_Falcon  May 1, 2014 7:39:04pm

re: #163 William Barnett-Lewis

Hell with those idiots, here’s something completely different…

iwm.org.uk

Lt Tolkien’s Webley Mk VI

Lt. J. R. R. Tolkien’s service revolver from when he served as a signals officer during the the Battle of the Somme. As for what it’s .455 round could do to an Orc, I’m sure the hole would make a hobbit smial… ;)

An excellent defensive revolver, one that could be depended on to stop the threat swiftly.

182 HappyWarrior  May 1, 2014 7:39:44pm

re: #180 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!

/

We’re oppressed like the slaves were but slavery wasn’t so bad!

183 Amory Blaine  May 1, 2014 7:40:10pm

They had chickens!!!

184 Dark_Falcon  May 1, 2014 7:40:38pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

L.A. head of NAACP resigns in wake of Sterling scandal

Related:

Rochelle Sterling: The Clippers’ Cruella de Ville

Even if Mrs. Sterling isn’t a racist, this article makes a good case that she at least enabled her husband’s racist.

185 Skip Intro  May 1, 2014 7:40:41pm

re: #178 RealityBasedSteve

So, God hangs out with DudeDeities and they like to do the equivalent of pulling wings off of flies? That makes me feel a LOT better.

RBS

Actually, yes. Think Zeus and his group the Mount Olympians.

186 dog philosopher  May 1, 2014 7:40:53pm

re: #157 RealityBasedSteve

I asked a very fundamental co-worker of mine (who was always asking me to “Come to my church sometime, you’ll enjoy it”, so I felt I was within my rights), “Simply explain the story of Job to me, how a man that was very upright, who believed in God and did all he could to please him could be used as a token in a game between God and the Devil? How he could be tortured with worse and worse disasters, ending in the death of his family simply as a bet with the Devil.” How can a loving God do that? I can appreciate the story of Job as how there are things that you don’t control, that all will work out in the end, (Always look on the bright side of Life…), but if read literally you can’t help but think of the SAW franchise of movies, and God saying “Let’s play a game…”

Didn’t end well….

RBS

when i actually got around to reading the entire bible, as an adult, i was astounded at how different it is from the Every Child’s Golden Book idea of it that we absorb from western culture

if you look at it purely from the point of view of literature, it has an impressive verisimilitude concerning human nature since just about every character struggles with the evil and good inextricably bound together within them without ever reaching any clear resolution - in a way the model of a first class 20th century realist novel. so many of them are so shockingly bad!

as for job, it is certainly not true that he has this famous patience that he is proverbial for. he bitches to god and mocks the friends who pester him with well meaning advice. finally god gets sick of his complaining and subjects him to sarcastic put downs: “so where were you when i laid the foundations of the earth?”. the book itself belongs to the ‘worldly urban sophisticate philosophical meditations” part of the bible, utterly different in tone from any other part, and, again, seeming very like mid 20th century thinkers…

187 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 7:42:34pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

Related:

Rochelle Sterling: The Clippers’ Cruella de Ville

Even if Mrs. Sterling isn’t a racist, this article makes a good case that she at least enabled her husband’s racist.

It’s sounds like everybody involved are assholes. None of this has been a secret.

188 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 7:47:50pm

re: #172 austin_blue

Well, with wind chill. That Giant Lance in January of ‘83 was just brutal. SAC changed the rules after that because we put so many ratings in the hospital for contact frostbite burns.

They wouldn’t close the flight line until it was 50 below. One day we were out trying to work on one of the planes and it was just too cold. The heater wouldn’t even start. We went back in the truck and our sergeant radioed Control and complained about the temp. A few minutes later we heard “it’s 47 degrees below zero. You have 3 degrees.” You should have heard all the other trucks out there immediately complaining on the radio. Our sight said “Fuck them” and proceeded to pull a gallon of Thunderbird out from under his chair. He drove around the flight line passing the cheap wine around for 20 minutes until the gave in and closed it.

189 Kragar  May 1, 2014 7:48:06pm
190 CriticalDragon1177  May 1, 2014 7:48:26pm

re: #156 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS
Fantasy Pr0n of a “Patriot”
I can’t wait for this “American Spring” thing, it will be a huge Fail like the “1000000 Truckers”


That’s some epic wingnut fantasy porn. I wonder how many of them actually think that could happen tomorrow.

191 Dark_Falcon  May 1, 2014 7:49:34pm

re: #190 CriticalDragon1177

That’s some epic wingnut fantasy porn. I wonder how many of them actually think that could happen tomorrow.

Just sick.

192 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 1, 2014 7:50:51pm

re: #166 Gus

Yep.

I’m not sure of that. Maseratis have a longer nose. This car is more rounded in front. As re: #154 Rev_Arthur_Belling noted, car photogs always make sure the car’s badge is visible. This shot is highlighting the human model, though. Her butt and legs are covering the marque.

193 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 7:50:51pm

Live blog from Seattle Masked marchers on the move downtown

Marchers made their way back to Capitol Hill, where they gathered at Boren and Pike.

They then turned around and are now making their way back downtown.

Their message? They don’t appear to have one.

194 Petero1818  May 1, 2014 7:51:12pm

re: #107 jaunte

Purity Ball World.
en.wikipedia.org

WTF???? Wow that is not something I even imagined existed in the last 60 years.

195 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 7:51:48pm
No arrests so far, but there have been reports that some protesters are passing out sticks.

It’s unclear where they are headed. They may not know themselves.

196 Kragar  May 1, 2014 7:53:34pm

re: #194 Petero1818

WTF???? Wow that is not something I even imagined existed in the last 60 years.

Note it focuses on dirty, dirty girls. Everyone expect boys to be boys.

197 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 7:55:32pm

re: #193 Killgore Trout

Live blog from Seattle Masked marchers on the move downtown

A convergence of anarchists and moonbats wouldn’t be complete without a Guy Fawkes mask.

198 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 1, 2014 7:56:11pm

re: #194 Petero1818

WTF???? Wow that is not something I even imagined existed in the last 60 years.

Purity Balls have a creepy semi-incestuous subtext, where the daughter is pledged to her father until she’s old enough to be married off.

199 Petero1818  May 1, 2014 7:58:04pm

re: #196 Kragar

Note it focuses on dirty, dirty girls. Everyone expect boys to be boys.

well these fathers have to be protecting the girls from somebody

200 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 7:58:14pm

re: #198 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Purity Balls have a creepy semi-incestuous subtext, where the daughter is pledged to her father until she’s old enough to be married off.

I haven’t spotted one Guy Fawkes mask at the European May Days, only Americans

201 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 7:59:01pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

Here is one arrest. The night is young, I expect more by morning.

202 Amory Blaine  May 1, 2014 7:59:03pm

General Dumbass. Moonbat Division

203 Kragar  May 1, 2014 7:59:09pm

re: #198 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Purity Balls have a creepy semi-incestuous subtext, where the daughter is pledged to her father until she’s old enough to be married off.

The Creepy Way Fathers Across the Country Are Controlling Their Daughters’ Virginity

“At this point, you’re married to the Lord, and your father is your boyfriend.”

Striking, Creepy Photos of Christian “Purity Balls”

204 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 7:59:38pm
Update at 7:55 p.m.: Seattle police broke up a fight between a protester and a self-styled “superhero” in custom. No one was injured and police made no arrests.

Not sure which superhero was involved; wasn’t Phoenix Jones.

Meanwhile, the seemingly aimless march continues.

205 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 8:00:21pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

206 dog philosopher  May 1, 2014 8:00:40pm

re: #193 Killgore Trout

Live blog from Seattle Masked marchers on the move downtown

kids marching in protest of… something…

good clean american fun

halloween celebrations in the era before WWII used to be much more destructive than anything that’s happened at these protests

207 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 8:02:05pm
208 Petero1818  May 1, 2014 8:02:07pm

re: #203 Kragar

The Creepy Way Fathers Across the Country Are Controlling Their Daughters’ Virginity

Striking, Creepy Photos of Christian “Purity Balls”

I may never look at the father daughter dance at my daughter’s school the same way again.

209 dog philosopher  May 1, 2014 8:02:22pm

git clone at 95%

please git done so’s i kin go home

210 RealityBasedSteve  May 1, 2014 8:03:32pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout
Update at 7:55 p.m.: Seattle police broke up a fight between a protester and a self-styled “superhero” in custom. No one was injured and police made no arrests.
Not sure which superhero was involved; wasn’t Phoenix Jones.

Meanwhile, the seemingly aimless march continues.

Batmanuel,,, I bet it was Batmanuel.

RBS

211 palomino  May 1, 2014 8:05:22pm

re: #150 Gus

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Pictures of Stalin and caricatures of Obama. Looks like a TP rally.

Except the people are generally younger, making the whole thing more disturbing. This can’t just be written off as the last gasp of a dying revanchist movement. It’s more like a reawakening.

212 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 8:06:30pm

re: #210 RealityBasedSteve

Update at 7:55 p.m.: Seattle police broke up a fight between a protester and a self-styled “superhero” in custom. No one was injured and police made no arrests.
Not sure which superhero was involved; wasn’t Phoenix Jones.

Meanwhile, the seemingly aimless march continues.

Batmanuel,,, I bet it was Batmanuel.

RBS

Here is one of the superheroes. I can’t stop laughing about Superheroes vs Anarchists. Too funny!

213 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 8:09:34pm

re: #211 palomino

Pictures of Stalin and caricatures of Obama. Looks like a TP rally.

Except the people are generally younger, making the whole thing more disturbing. This can’t just be written off as the last gasp of a dying revanchist movement. It’s more like a reawakening.

I was kind of wondering about that too. Putin is certainly going to be doing some expansionism for a while. I’ve been just assuming he knows what he can take and get away with but I’m starting to wonder how far he might push. It does seem unthinkable in the modern world but we may have to do something about him eventually.

214 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 8:09:36pm
215 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 8:10:05pm

re: #212 NJDhockeyfan

Here is one of the superheroes. I can’t stop laughing about Superheroes vs Anarchists. Too funny!

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lol

216 Romantic Heretic  May 1, 2014 8:10:07pm

re: #156 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS
Fantasy Pr0n of a “Patriot”
I can’t wait for this “American Spring” thing, it will be a huge Fail like the “1000000 Truckers”

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Somebody should tell them the flag tells the people defending the White House exactly where their attackers are.

Man, these people, in addition to being traitorous assholes, are complete dumb shits as well.

217 palomino  May 1, 2014 8:10:48pm

re: #193 Killgore Trout

Live blog from Seattle Masked marchers on the move downtown

Well, we know how you feel about protesters.

So how would you deal with the situation? Rubber bullets? Pepper spray? Flamethrowers? Real bullets? Which of those responses would arouse you the most?

218 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 8:11:18pm

Combat!
Image: Q3T6467.jpg

219 Dark_Falcon  May 1, 2014 8:11:54pm

re: #214 NJDhockeyfan

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That’s a result of moonbats learning the hard way that targeting cops normally doesn’t end well. Police tend to react to being attacked by applying nightsticks or Mace to those attacking them.

220 CriticalDragon1177  May 1, 2014 8:11:55pm

re: #212 NJDhockeyfan

Here is one of the superheroes. I can’t stop laughing about Superheroes vs Anarchists. Too funny!


Go go Power Rangers!

221 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 1, 2014 8:12:13pm

re: #203 Kragar

The Creepy Way Fathers Across the Country Are Controlling Their Daughters’ Virginity

Striking, Creepy Photos of Christian “Purity Balls”

Yeah. I heard about the purity movement from reading up on the closely related quiverfull movement. Some of the women who have escaped both had troubled and sometimes abusive relationships with overly domineering fathers, who didn’t treat their wives much better.

222 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 8:12:55pm

Very artsy
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223 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 8:13:30pm

Where is the POW sign?

224 Romantic Heretic  May 1, 2014 8:16:16pm

re: #163 William Barnett-Lewis

Hell with those idiots, here’s something completely different…

iwm.org.uk

Lt Tolkien’s Webley Mk VI

Lt. J. R. R. Tolkien’s service revolver from when he served as a signals officer during the the Battle of the Somme. As for what it’s .455 round could do to an Orc, I’m sure the hole would make a hobbit smial… ;)

Brrr. Was just reading about The Somme today. If Tolkien was there he’s lucky to have survived it.

225 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:17:13pm
226 Kragar  May 1, 2014 8:17:40pm

re: #221 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Yeah. I heard about the purity movement from reading up on the closely related quiverfull movement. Some of the women who have escaped both had troubled and sometimes abusive relationships with overly domineering fathers, who didn’t treat their wives much better.

Its more patriarchal dominance over their women bullshit.

Same bunch of assholes who think this kind of bullshit is sage wisdom:

Christian ‘historian’: Allowing women to vote ‘hurts the entire culture and society’

227 Belafon  May 1, 2014 8:19:11pm

re: #214 NJDhockeyfan

That head on the right is attached to some really small legs.

228 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 8:21:52pm

re: #225 Gus

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ha!

229 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 8:21:53pm

re: #227 Belafon

That head on the right is attached to some really small legs.

The head looks like one of the Hanson brothers.

230 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:22:19pm
231 The Ghost of a Flea  May 1, 2014 8:22:54pm

re: #226 Kragar

Its more patriarchal dominance over their women bullshit.

Same bunch of assholes who think this kind of bullshit is sage wisdom:

Christian ‘historian’: Allowing women to vote ‘hurts the entire culture and society’

David Barton.

The guy that helped re-write the GOP platform.

232 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 8:23:03pm
233 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 8:23:06pm

Seattle May Day: Capitol Hill superhero fight
Youtube Video

234 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 8:24:13pm

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

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Stupid elitist one percenters zooming around in their fancy public buses!

235 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:27:20pm

re: #234 Killgore Trout

Stupid elitist one percenters zooming around in their fancy public buses!

They probably have checking accounts!

236 calochortus  May 1, 2014 8:27:27pm

re: #226 Kragar

Its more patriarchal dominance over their women bullshit.

Same bunch of assholes who think this kind of bullshit is sage wisdom:

Christian ‘historian’: Allowing women to vote ‘hurts the entire culture and society’

But what of the “good wife” of Proverbs 31? She may not have voted, but she seems to have had a great deal of individual power and agency.
Perhaps Christianity “improved” on that aspect of family structure?

237 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 8:27:56pm

That is pretty impressive. The cops were right there, acted in unison, nobody got too hurt. Not bad police work.

238 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 8:28:49pm
239 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 1, 2014 8:30:01pm

re: #226 Kragar

Its more patriarchal dominance over their women bullshit.

Same bunch of assholes who think this kind of bullshit is sage wisdom:

Christian ‘historian’: Allowing women to vote ‘hurts the entire culture and society’

The fundamentalist mind seems wedded to a strictly patriarchal form of society. It’s hard to say whether the religion in question creates the patriarchy, or whether religion is used to justify an existing patriarchy. Regardless of the cause-effect relationship, patriarchy among Christians have God/Jesus as male at the top, with fathers, husbands, and other male relatives, and preachers/priests as representatives of God/Jesus on earth. Women and girls are seen as helpless and utterly dependent on the men in their lives.

How they deal with figures like Ruth and Esther is another question.

I wonder about the cause-effect relationship because in rural China, traditional patriarchy remains firmly in place despite the communist revolution. Here it’s a question of which came first: the Confucian principle of filial piety or patriarchal society. I know many of my female students here are swimming upstream when they decide to attend college and especially to delay marriage to their late 20’s.

240 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:30:13pm

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

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LOL!

241 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 8:30:37pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

That is pretty impressive. The cops were right there, acted in unison, nobody got too hurt. Not bad police work.

Good for them. They are being noticed for their great work tonight.

242 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 8:32:15pm
243 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 8:33:58pm
244 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:34:55pm

Welp.

245 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 8:35:47pm
246 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 8:36:41pm
247 goddamnedfrank  May 1, 2014 8:36:45pm
248 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:36:58pm
249 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 8:37:51pm
250 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 8:40:10pm
251 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:40:22pm

Hey! Look! It’s CPAC! Oops, wait.

252 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:40:54pm

Assholes!

253 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:41:22pm

They all look like they’re in their 20s but with heart disease.

254 prairiefire  May 1, 2014 8:41:24pm

Can’t stand Anarchists! Spooky thugs and mayhem.

255 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:42:29pm

Look at them. The old farts in Russia looked healthier.

256 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 8:42:45pm
257 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 8:43:02pm
258 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 8:43:10pm
259 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:43:39pm
260 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:46:20pm

Boom!

261 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:47:15pm

Bats, punching photographers, incitement, one gun recovered.

262 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 8:47:59pm
263 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:48:53pm

Two arrests. Only two mind you.

264 Amory Blaine  May 1, 2014 8:49:05pm

I’d rather be with these guys!!

Youtube Video

Techno Viking FTW!

265 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 8:49:54pm
Police say they have recovered a gun from a protester at Sixth and Battery. Also, they have used pepper spray after some people began hurling batteries.
266 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 8:49:57pm

re: #261 Gus

Bats, punching photographers, incitement, one gun recovered.

A peaceful May Day march was happening in Seattle until a Tea Party broke out!

267 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:52:24pm

re: #266 NJDhockeyfan

A peaceful May Day march was happening in Seattle until a Tea Party broke out!

Just think. Soon enough they can all start making $31,200/year for flipping burgers.

268 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 8:53:04pm

re: #263 Gus

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Two arrests. Only two mind you.

Now three

269 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 8:54:14pm

re: #267 Gus

Just think. Soon enough they can all start making $31,200/year for flipping burgers.

They have earned every penny!

270 Amory Blaine  May 1, 2014 8:54:50pm

God damn right. At least someone is getting a raise.

271 FemNaziBitch  May 1, 2014 8:55:06pm

ALERT FOR PET OWNERS!

The Colorado River Toad, which from the email I got is also indigenous to Arizona?

272 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:55:07pm

re: #269 NJDhockeyfan

They have earned every penny!

They won’t even take that. Trust me.

273 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:55:30pm
274 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:55:35pm
275 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 8:58:53pm
276 Gus  May 1, 2014 8:59:50pm
277 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 9:01:13pm

LOL! You called this one Gus :)

278 Lidane  May 1, 2014 9:03:51pm

Rebranding!

279 Amory Blaine  May 1, 2014 9:04:49pm

It’s fucking pathetic and embarrassing. It looks like most of them should be going for a walk however.

280 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:05:17pm
281 Amory Blaine  May 1, 2014 9:06:06pm

re: #273 Gus

Ha! I think I see Naked Guy on the right, in front of the guy with the giant gut.

282 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:07:02pm

re: #281 Amory Blaine

Ha! I think I see Naked Guy on the right, in front of the guy with the giant gut.

Oh yeah. Ha!

283 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 9:07:12pm

Have they broken into the Men’s Wherehouse?

284 sagehen  May 1, 2014 9:07:15pm

re: #50 Lidane

The funniest part of all this is that you don’t even need to use evolution to dismantle Creationism. Physics can manage it just fine.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson obliterated YEC with the simple observation that if the universe was as young as Creationists say it is, we couldn’t see any light past the Crab Nebula. Just the fact that we can observe stars and galaxies from much farther away proves these people wrong. The rest is details.

I can demolish it using nothing but the book of Genesis.

Chapter 1 is a creation narrative, that starts with nothing and goes through until people.

Chapter 2 loops back again to the beginning and is another creation narrative, starting with nothing and going up until people.

But stuff happens in a different order. And using different methods. Genesis starts out, right from the word go, with two mutually exclusive, incompatible creation narratives.

That’s your big honking neon sign that the reader is not intended to take either story as a literal, factual recounting, the big clue that you’re meant to look deeper for the “real” meaning.

Metaphor is not a modern invention.

285 Amory Blaine  May 1, 2014 9:08:24pm

re: #283 NJDhockeyfan

Have they broken into the Men’s Wherehouse?

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Gotta look good for that interview dad set up!

286 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:09:46pm
287 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 9:10:22pm

protesters are starting to look tired

288 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:10:53pm

re: #287 Killgore Trout

protesters are starting to look tired

See #253.

289 Decatur Deb  May 1, 2014 9:12:39pm

Oh, why the hell not?

GOP State Lawmaker Writes Letter To Editor About Dangers Of Anal Sex

talkingpointsmemo.com

290 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 9:12:54pm
291 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:15:18pm

People are entertaining.

292 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:16:08pm

re: #290 NJDhockeyfan

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I have experience with people. My guess. He was probably being a major asshole to the cops.

293 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:18:37pm

The Entertainer - Billy Joel

Youtube Video

294 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:18:53pm

Not the worst thing in the world though. Seattle.

295 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 9:19:25pm

re: #292 Gus

I have experience with people. My guess. He was probably being a major asshole to the cops.

Of course tomorrow morning we are going to hear the anarchists and OWS moonbats whining and claiming police brutality.

296 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 9:19:46pm
297 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:19:56pm

re: #295 NJDhockeyfan

Of course tomorrow morning we are going to hear the anarchists and OWS moon bats whining and claiming police brutality.

I know.

298 blueraven  May 1, 2014 9:20:01pm

re: #292 Gus

I have experience with people. My guess. He was probably being a major asshole to the cops.

No doubt. Seattle needs to get serious and stop this shit from getting violent every year. If they cant protest peacefully, stay home.

Seems the police are doing a really good job so far.

299 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:20:37pm
300 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 9:21:08pm

re: #294 Gus

Not the worst thing in the world though. Seattle.

No, it’s much better than in past years. This isn’t bad at all.

301 Amory Blaine  May 1, 2014 9:22:09pm

The message of fuck the police from this demographic is fucking stupid. They are doing themselves no favors. With pot just legalized, which I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that some of them are affected by marijuana/prohibition in some way. Can go right back to being illegal with the proper scaremongering techniques applied.

302 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:22:15pm

re: #300 Killgore Trout

No, it’s much better than in past years. This isn’t bad at all.

Lot’s of derp in this one.

303 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 9:23:03pm

re: #299 Gus

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Youtube Video

304 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 9:23:40pm

re: #302 Gus

Lot’s of derp in this one.

And superheroes.

305 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:23:44pm
306 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:25:21pm
307 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:25:55pm

re: #303 NJDhockeyfan

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Video

Nice.

308 Killgore Trout  May 1, 2014 9:29:58pm
309 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:30:00pm

Gordon Lightfoot - Early Morning Rain

Youtube Video

310 Kilroy01  May 1, 2014 9:30:07pm

re: #72 Rev_Arthur_Belling

The car is a Pontiac Solstice

311 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 9:30:17pm
312 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:30:43pm

re: #310 Kilroy01

The car is a Pontiac Solstice

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Thank you.

313 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:31:15pm

re: #311 NJDhockeyfan

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Oh man. That’s funny.

314 Kilroy01  May 1, 2014 9:32:47pm

re: #156 Pie-onist Overlord

Why are these “patriots” advancing with a T-55 tank?
What is Putin given them a hand for freedom?

315 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:33:13pm

That was like, beautiful man. :D

316 NJDhockeyfan  May 1, 2014 9:34:52pm
317 Amory Blaine  May 1, 2014 9:36:17pm

re: #163 William Barnett-Lewis

Hell with those idiots, here’s something completely different…

iwm.org.uk

Lt Tolkien’s Webley Mk VI

Lt. J. R. R. Tolkien’s service revolver from when he served as a signals officer during the the Battle of the Somme. As for what it’s .455 round could do to an Orc, I’m sure the hole would make a hobbit smial… ;)

If you’re in the Milwaukee area.

The J.R.R. Tolkien Manuscripts: Public Showings in 2014-2015

318 klys  May 1, 2014 9:36:46pm

SMOOSH.

Youtube Video

319 FemNaziBitch  May 1, 2014 9:39:13pm

Inside Animal Minds -PBS NOVA

I’m watching the on on dogs.

bb when it’s finished.

320 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:41:48pm

re: #318 klys

SMOOSH.

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Video

Heard the line snap.

321 klys  May 1, 2014 9:42:23pm

re: #320 Gus

Heard the line snap.

I posted that because I thought you might enjoy it.

322 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:42:56pm

Good control though.

323 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:43:28pm

re: #321 klys

I posted that because I thought you might enjoy it.

324 Floral Giraffe  May 1, 2014 9:46:07pm

re: #311 NJDhockeyfan

Baaa!

325 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:47:35pm
326 Lidane  May 1, 2014 9:48:47pm

Dear SeaMayDay idiots, Dudebros, Wingnuts, and Bundy Ranch yahoos,

That is all.

No love,
Me

327 Amory Blaine  May 1, 2014 9:48:50pm

Marquette University also has Salvadore Dali paintings among their art collection, and the Joan of Arc Chapel built in the middle ages is notable.
The Madonna of Port Lligat

328 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:49:24pm
329 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:49:49pm
330 Gus  May 1, 2014 9:52:16pm
331 Kilroy01  May 1, 2014 9:54:49pm

re: #329 Gus

Armstrong’s flying bed stand

Youtube Video

Man was lucky/good.

332 Gus  May 1, 2014 10:01:55pm
333 Jocko's Rocket Ship  May 1, 2014 10:13:05pm

In my world there should be dicks on both sides. I mean this city just just raised the minimum wage to $15. In Oklahoma there are no protests today and they are trying to outlaw the minimum wage. Where are the protests there?

I do not support their actions or their movement, but without them the middle is between us and the far-right.

334 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 1, 2014 10:24:05pm

re: #310 Kilroy01

The car is a Pontiac Solstice

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Aah! Mystery solved. A now defunct marque.

335 FemNaziBitch  May 1, 2014 10:41:38pm

re: #319 FemNaziBitch

Inside Animal Minds -PBS NOVA

I’m watching the on on dogs.

bb when it’s finished.

Dogs are People too!

A pile of newborn puppies is not a litter, but a puddle of fur.

It’s a visually happy show.

336 FemNaziBitch  May 1, 2014 10:42:31pm

re: #326 Lidane

Dear SeaMayDay idiots, Dudebros, Wingnuts, and Bundy Ranch yahoos,

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That is all.

No love,
Me

Perfect and tweeted!

337 FemNaziBitch  May 1, 2014 10:43:50pm
338 Lidane  May 1, 2014 10:52:46pm

Patriotism!

Remind me what other insurgents have armed roadside checkpoints? I can’t remember offhand.

339 FemNaziBitch  May 1, 2014 10:53:58pm

I re-read (listened) to the Good Earth by Pearl S. Buck yesterday.

First, it is so worth rereading. Just because.

Years ago, on my first reading, I noted that the protagonist neutralized his meddlesome relatives by providing opium for them. I thought it was an interesting way to solve the problem.

This time I noted this part:

…“When the rich are too rich there are ways, and when the poor are too poor there are ways” (Buck 119). The man goes on to say: “When the rich are too rich there is a way, and if I am not mistaken, that will come soon.” He nodded and pointed with the stem of his pipe to the wall behind them. “Have you seen the inside of that wall?” (119-120). In having this man say this, Buck is foreshadowing a rebellion, a revolt against the “rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer” ways of the “old” China.

I linked to the article, The Politics of China During The Good Earth because I think it is not just a truth about that part of world history.

Seems we may be/are at that point ourselves.

340 goddamnedfrank  May 1, 2014 11:07:38pm

re: #333 Jocko’s Rocket Ship

I mean this city just just raised the minimum wage to $15. In Oklahoma there are no protests today and they are trying to outlaw the minimum wage. Where are the protests there?

Not really,. The mayor says he’s struck a deal to phase in in increase to $15 / hr over a span of between 3 and 7 years depending on the size of the business in question. So if you’re working for a small employer you’re not going to see much of an increase for quite a while and even companies with 500 or more employees will have to wait 3 years to see the full $15.

The reason a lot of people in Seattle are pissed off is that in the neighboring city of SeaTac workers for large employers have been getting $15 / hr since the beginning of the year. There’s a feeling that large employers make a lot of profit and the cost of living in Seattle has grown at very high rates in recent years. Equivalent housing for instance costs 68% more in Seattle than it does in Oklahoma City, everything else costs more too.

There’s also the feeling that this is a prosperous city for a lot of lucrative businesses and wealthy individuals who can and should pay more to the service level workers who keep the place running. A ton of companies either started up there or moved to the PNW because that’s where a lot of tech talent wants to live. Much of the reason people want to live there is because of the often over-educated workforce and progressive social environment. So there’s a strong sentiment that the largest business especially shouldn’t be given a break in period at all, that they’ve benefited too long from services they should be paying much more for.

Also, anybody who’s worked for smaller employers knows that they’re often the most abusive. There may be a legitimate need to cut them some slack and phase in their compliance, but there will always be pressure on them to match wages with larger companies to avoid turnover and disruption. Making large employers comply immediately means smaller employers will have to become more competitive, or at the very least start treating their employees like actual people who have rights, and options.

341 FemNaziBitch  May 1, 2014 11:13:10pm
China’s high sex ratios are not a matter of concern for China alone; as former secretary of state Hillary Clinton noted, “the subjugation of women is a direct threat to the security of the United States,” and in this case, she is certainly correct.

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342 GeneJockey  May 1, 2014 11:17:35pm

re: #190 CriticalDragon1177

That’s some epic wingnut fantasy porn. I wonder how many of them actually think that could happen tomorrow.

Operation American Spring - because it’s never been about Freedom for the Right. It’s only ever really been about control.

343 FemNaziBitch  May 1, 2014 11:18:20pm
There is so much attention being paid today on how to embrace change. But management expert Gary Hamel, the bestselling author of What Matters Now, says that leaders need to understand that change itself has changed.

Don’t I know it :)

344 FemNaziBitch  May 1, 2014 11:19:23pm

re: #342 GeneJockey

Operation American Spring - because it’s never been about Freedom for the Right. It’s only ever really been about control.

QFT

345 FemNaziBitch  May 1, 2014 11:25:46pm
346 FemNaziBitch  May 1, 2014 11:28:54pm
347 Lidane  May 1, 2014 11:35:27pm
348 GeneJockey  May 1, 2014 11:44:02pm

Someone on Balloon Juice posted a video from Bundy’s ranch of a meeting of some sort, that really sounded like scene in Life of Brian where Reg and the crew are trying to come to an agreement.

349 FemNaziBitch  May 2, 2014 12:00:12am
350 FemNaziBitch  May 2, 2014 12:03:54am
351 FemNaziBitch  May 2, 2014 12:05:24am

A bunny show?
Youtube Video

352 FemNaziBitch  May 2, 2014 12:05:30am

nytol

353 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 2, 2014 12:24:38am

I joined this site back when it was a lot more conservative, but I was impressed that it always took a strong pro-science, anti-creationist stand, which indicated to me that LGF was not just about mindless parroting of conservative talking points.

354 Dr Lizardo  May 2, 2014 12:25:56am

re: #105 Gus

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Beria? Really?!

A man who may well have been a serial killer, and I don’t mean in his official capacity as head of the NKVD.

*smh*

355 goddamnedfrank  May 2, 2014 1:08:15am

re: #346 FemNaziBitch

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It’s too late. The ERA legislation has been declared dead by the Supreme Court. The original legislation had a “ratify by” date inserted, and it’s long past. An extension time period was tacked on, but no additional ratifications came in during that time. The situation ended up in court because Idaho officially rescinded it’s ratification, and the courts had to figure out if that was legal or not, lower court ruled it was. In the end the Supremes ruled the issue moot because the required 3/5ths of the States never ratified it, neither at one time or in total.

If it’s going to be resurrected it’ll have to go through the entire process again. There’s no way any SC will rule the deadline clauses invalid, since they were cited in 24 of the ratifications. Making those ratifications explicitly conditional.

356 freetoken  May 2, 2014 1:16:00am

MP3 Audio

357 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 2, 2014 1:26:55am

re: #113 Kragar

I remember the first time I ran into a literalist. This was back in my USMC days. There were some guys talking about Jericho, and I mentioned the theory about how sappers were engaged to undermine the walls and the horns and trumpets were used to cover up the sounds of the digging.

You would have sworn I just crapped in their cheerios.

I got a similar response from a mathematician, who says he based his belief on the fact that the events described in the New Testament fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies to such an extent that the odds of it being purely chance were astronomical.

Unless, I pointed out, the NT tweaked some of the facts to make them fit.

And yes, I got the same “crapped-in-my-Cheerios” look out of the guy.

358 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 2, 2014 1:29:38am

re: #117 Killgore Trout

I’m getting a strong whiff of nostalgia for the “good old days” of the Soviet Union these days. We may be dealing with Putin for quite some time.

I wondered for a long time why the USSR was simply allowed to fall apart and descend into chaos in 1991. Now it becomes clear. After a decade or so of chaos, the people were hungry for a strong, authoritarian leader who came along bare-chested on horseback and promised them order and a degree of stability, predictability and the appearance of law and order.

359 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 2, 2014 1:31:03am

re: #131 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!

Wow, this has got to really confuse the American right wingers! lol.

why? the spelling is no worse than the typical TP banner..

360 Dr Lizardo  May 2, 2014 1:40:26am

re: #357 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I got a similar response from a mathematician, who says he based his belief on the fact that the events described in the New Testament fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies to such an extent that the odds of it being purely chance were astronomical.

Unless, I pointed out, the NT tweaked some of the facts to make them fit.

And yes, I got the same “crapped-in-my-Cheerios” look out of the guy

And that’s just it.

Retconning.

361 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 2, 2014 1:45:36am

re: #360 Dr Lizardo

And that’s just it.

Retconning.

The guy might have been a skilled mathematician, but he seemed to have no grasp of basic logic. Except the circular, self-affirming kind.

362 EdDantes  May 2, 2014 2:43:00am

The movie looks interesting and I like Harry Anderson.

363 Justanotherhuman  May 2, 2014 3:10:38am

re: #362 EdDantes

The movie looks interesting and I like Harry Anderson.

So you have an appreciation of propaganda coming from the christian rightwing?

364 EdDantes  May 2, 2014 3:15:30am

re: #363 Justanotherhuman

So you have an appreciation of propaganda coming from the christian rightwing?

No, I just have a dislike for the Victorian era theory of evolution.

365 Justanotherhuman  May 2, 2014 3:18:45am

I’m beginning to think the Kiev govt has lost control of Ukraine, unfortunately until they step up military operations. The West has entered unsettled territory in our dealings with Russia at this point.

Ukraine’s defence ministry calls for release of pilot who was shot down by pro-Russia separatists in south east Ukraine - @ITVNews
read more on itv.com

Pro-Russian separatists seize control center for Donetsk railways, practically stopping all train movement in eastern Ukraine - @Reuters

I was always afraid something like this was going to happen, given Ukraine’s past w/Russia and the old Soviet Union. Sanctions against Russia by the West don’t seem to be having much effect, and Russian propaganda and the propensity of Russian-oriented eastern Ukrainians, on seeing how easily Crimea was taken over, to embrace Russian involvement even if at this point it’s provocateurs and a ready army at the border is very unsettling.

366 Ryan King  May 2, 2014 3:25:45am

re: #364 EdDantes

No, I just have a dislike for the Victorian era theory of evolution.

What do you think about the Hellenistic theory that the earth is round?

367 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 3:28:27am

re: #364 EdDantes

No, I just have a dislike for the Victorian era theory of evolution.

What about the modern synthesis era of evolution?

368 KiTA  May 2, 2014 3:29:39am

I just had a thought re: The Bundy group of White Nationalist Domestic Terrorists in Nevada.

If Bundy doesn’t believe in the Federal Government, what are the odds he’s skiped a few tax payments in the past 20 years? Has anyone audited him? It would be hilarious to see Bundy get shown up by a bunch of accountants from the IRS.

369 EdDantes  May 2, 2014 3:31:57am

re: #366 Ryan King

What do you think about the Hellenistic theory that the earth is round?

That theory is demonstrably true so I agree.

370 Ryan King  May 2, 2014 3:34:15am

Only accept theories that are demonstrably true?

What about alternate theories of life, are they demonstrably true?

371 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 3:38:36am

re: #369 EdDantes

That theory is demonstrably true so I agree.

Evolution is also demonstrably true.

Have you even heard of the modern synthesis?

372 EdDantes  May 2, 2014 3:43:40am

re: #367 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

What about the modern synthesis era of evolution?

Do you mean neo-Darwinism? i.e. taking into account things that Darwin didn’t Know such as genetics?

373 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 3:44:40am

This is the part that a lot of anti-evolutionist whackos don’t get, actually: Not only did Darwin’s observations and subsequent work by other people show that evolution had happened, the discovery of genes and how they work to recombine in both sexual and asexual reproduction showed the mechanics of evolution.

Not only do the anti-evolutionary ignoramuses have to explain the diversity of species and their adaptations that evolution explains so well, they also have to explain our genes and their mechanism of recombination, which very obviously is something that allows mutations to occur in a population and then carry on to new generations.

374 EdDantes  May 2, 2014 3:45:57am

re: #370 Ryan King

Only accept theories that are demonstrably true?

What about alternate theories of life, are they demonstrably true?

If you can demonstrate them. What alternate theories do you mean?

375 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 3:46:23am

re: #372 EdDantes

Do you mean neo-Darwinism? i.e. taking into account things that Darwin didn’t Know such as genetics?

I mean the modern synthesis; that’s it’s general scientific name. But yeah, that Darwin was able to observe evolution without knowing about genetics is a big coup for him. We obviously would have discovered evolution eventually, once we discovered genetics, but that he got to it ahead of time is really amazingly impressive.

The modern synthesis is the combination of Darwin’s theory of evolution with the discovery of the work and function of genes; Darwin didn’t know, and didn’t claim to know, the mechanism of action by which evolution occurred.

376 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 3:46:45am

re: #374 EdDantes

If you can demonstrate them. What alternate theories do you mean?

Why do you think evolution can’t be demonstrated?

377 Justanotherhuman  May 2, 2014 3:48:26am

For the haters from the rightwing who proclaim their religion constantly, and those pushing these propagandistic “faith” vehicles like this awful movie, I have a reminder for them.

1 Corinthians 13:13

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

The entirety of 1 Corinithians, Chapter 13:

1If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. [Listen up, those who preach about their “faith”!] 2If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.

4Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. 11When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. 12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. 13But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.

Grow up, “christians”.

I would never survive as one of those “christians” with the bullhorns we are witnessing in politics today.

378 EdDantes  May 2, 2014 3:53:38am

re: #376 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Why do you think evolution can’t be demonstrated?

Because it has not been demonstrated.If it were true, perhaps it could be demonstrated.

379 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 3:55:53am

re: #378 EdDantes

Because it has not been demonstrated.If it were true, perhaps it could be demonstrated.

It has been demonstrated.

Do you disbelieve in the existence of drug-resistant bacteria, that have evolved defenses against the antibiotics used against them?

Do you disbelieve in the existence of ring species?

Do you disbelieve in the existence of genes?

380 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 3:56:39am

Oh, and the most obvious:

Do you disbelieve in the fossil record? Think it was all put there by Satan or something?

381 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 4:07:41am

re: #310 Kilroy01

Nice car from the looks of it. A little Miata-ish.

382 EdDantes  May 2, 2014 4:09:49am

re: #379 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

It has been demonstrated.

Do you disbelieve in the existence of drug-resistant bacteria, that have evolved defenses against the antibiotics used against them?

Do you disbelieve in the existence of ring species?

Do you disbelieve in the existence of genes?

I believe that some bacteria are resistant to antibiotics otherwise they would be dead. Those who are resistant survive and evolve into…
How do “ring species” advance the cause of evolution? Some populations can interbreed some can’t.
Yes, I believe in genes. Mendel was a genius.

383 EdDantes  May 2, 2014 4:11:19am

re: #380 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Oh, and the most obvious:

Do you disbelieve in the fossil record? Think it was all put there by Satan or something?

I wholeheartedly believe in the fossil record. Do you have something to say about it?

384 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 4:16:58am

re: #382 EdDantes

I believe that some bacteria are resistant to antibiotics otherwise they would be dead. Those who are resistant survive and evolve into…

You’re stating it somewhat weirdly, maybe because you don’t really understand evolution—you seem to be coming at it from a Lamarkian point of view. The drug-resistant bacteria don’t ‘evolve’; the population containing them evolves, since you’re applying a selective pressure on them through the drugs. So, you can predict, and show, evolution:

Start with wildtype (broadly genetically distributed) bacteria.

Apply drug A at high levels.

Most will die, only the drug-A resistant will remain.

Increase or decrease the Ph level of the solution.

Most will die, only those capable of living in that ph solution will remain.

Increase or decrease the oxygenation of the solution.

Most will die, only those capable of living in that oxygenation will remain.

Compare that bacteria to the original. The new bacteria will be drug-resistant, capable of living in a different ph and oxygen level than your original.

How do “ring species” advance the cause of evolution? Some populations can interbreed some can’t.

And why is that?

Yes, I believe in genes. Mendel was a genius.

So what is the output of the mechanism of action of genes?

385 EdDantes  May 2, 2014 4:17:54am

Cambrian explosion. Any ideas on that? Just asking.

386 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 4:18:06am

re: #383 EdDantes

I wholeheartedly believe in the fossil record. Do you have something to say about it?

Yes. The fossil record is a demonstration of evolution: it shows species changing over time in adaptation to their environment.

What is your explanation for the evolution of species demonstrated by the fossil record, such as:

Image: evolutionhorse.gif

387 EdDantes  May 2, 2014 4:20:50am

re: #384 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

In the end they remain bacteria. Show me some evolution.

388 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 4:24:00am

re: #387 EdDantes

In the end they remain bacteria. Show me some evolution.

Are you fucking serious?

389 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 4:24:11am

re: #385 EdDantes

Cambrian explosion. Any ideas on that? Just asking.

You’re citing a Victorian-era criticism of evolution—one made by Darwin himself.

I think you’re working on an older idea of what the Cambrian Explosion was; recent research into the fossil record shows a much smoother rate of change than was originally thought.

There was a high level of change, and that’s consistent with a number of things, like a high level of environmental change—like a change in oxygenation, Ph levels, or average temperature, all things that would cause most species to have to adapt rapidly, and rapid adaption means rapid speciation.

Another explanation is that the significant mutations to the Hox genes has already occurred, putting the Cambrian creatures in a position to experience more diverse evolution than previously. For you to understand this, you’re going to have to understand what Hox genes are.

Finally, there appears to have been a mass exctinction event around the same time period, which means there were tons of ecological niches available for exploitation, another thing that can cause rapid evolution, as genes that would not be selected for when established competition abounds can be when there is no direct competition. Commensurate with that may have been an ‘arms race’ between the species attempting to occupy those niches: rapid evolution in direct competition with non-established populations.

390 EdDantes  May 2, 2014 4:28:31am

re: #388 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Are you fucking serious?

Interesting way of asking that. What do you have to contradict me?

391 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 4:29:52am

re: #387 EdDantes

In the end they remain bacteria. Show me some evolution.

Oh, you mean ‘speciation’, not ‘evolution’. Like many people arguing against evolution, you don’t actually understand the terms you’re using.

Okay, here’s speciation:

De Vries, in 1905, found that one of his O. lamarckiana had mutated, and the new mutation had a different chromosomal number than the original and yet was fertile and stable. This new species was O. gigas.

Nereis acuminata was used in toxicology tests over a period of 20 years. At the end of these tests, the resulting populations were cross-bred. One of the species was reproductively isolated, and not capable of interbreeding with the other species—this is speciation.

392 Ryan King  May 2, 2014 4:30:53am

re: #374 EdDantes

If you can demonstrate them. What alternate theories do you mean?

What alternate theories do you think explain life, that are demonstrable?

393 EdDantes  May 2, 2014 4:35:28am

re: #389 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You’re citing a Victorian-era criticism of evolution—one made by Darwin himself.

I think you’re working on an older idea of what the Cambrian Explosion was; recent research into the fossil record shows a much smoother rate of change than was originally thought.

There was a high level of change, and that’s consistent with a number of things, like a high level of environmental change—like a change in oxygenation, Ph levels, or average temperature, all things that would cause most species to have to adapt rapidly, and rapid adaption means rapid speciation.

Another explanation is that the significant mutations to the Hox genes has already occurred, putting the Cambrian creatures in a position to experience more diverse evolution than previously. For you to understand this, you’re going to have to understand what Hox genes are.

Finally, there appears to have been a mass exctinction event around the same time period, which means there were tons of ecological niches available for exploitation, another thing that can cause rapid evolution, as genes that would not be selected for when established competition abounds can be when there is no direct competition. Commensurate with that may have been an ‘arms race’ between the species attempting to occupy those niches: rapid evolution in direct competition with non-established populations.

You are trying to explain a lack of fossils prior the the cambrian. That is not what science is a bout. If evolution was true we wouldn’t even be discussing this. We would be talking about the myriad of fossils that show the evolution of one kind into the other.

394 EdDantes  May 2, 2014 4:39:37am

re: #392 Ryan King

What alternate theories do you think explain life, that are demonstrable?

I have none! I wish I did. Other than invoking a deity I am don’t know. But many here are belive Darwin was right.

395 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 4:40:10am

re: #390 EdDantes

Obdicut’s example clearly shows evolution within the bacteria population. You seem to be shape-shifting the term “evolution” to mean “whatever the hell I want it to mean.” I don’t need to contradict you because your response was to hand-wave away a very clear proof that evolution occurs.

See also re: #391 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut above.

396 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 4:41:40am

Here’s some evolution right before your eyes:
Youtube Video

397 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 2, 2014 4:46:16am

If you insist on a literal interpretation of the Bible, you have to reject science, as it contradicts Genesis. In fact, you have to reject logic, as many parts of the Bible contradict each other.

Once you accept that, you can reason away anything.

398 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 4:47:49am

re: #393 EdDantes

You are trying to explain a lack of fossils prior the the cambrian. That is not what science is a bout. If evolution was true we wouldn’t even be discussing this. We would be talking about the myriad of fossils that show the evolution of one kind into the other.

There isn’t a lack of fossils prior to the cambrian.

399 EdDantes  May 2, 2014 4:48:04am

re: #395 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Obdicut’s example clearly shows evolution within the bacteria population. You seem to be shape-shifting the term “evolution” to mean “whatever the hell I want it to mean.” I don’t need to contradict you because your response was to hand-wave away a very clear proof that evolution occurs.

See also above.

You have no idea what you are talking about but I appreciate your contribution.

400 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 4:48:25am

re: #399 EdDantes

You have no idea what you are talking about but I appreciate your contribution.

Can you please respond to the speciation events I cited?

401 Ryan King  May 2, 2014 4:48:46am

re: #394 EdDantes

I have none! I wish I did. Other than invoking a deity I am don’t know. But many here are belive Darwin was right.

I don’t believe Darwin was right.

I believe Darwin, and thousand upon thousands of geneticists and biologists over the next 150 years who have made careers studying their fields, the results of which continue to further support the theory, no, Theory of Evolution, are right.

It’s a serious mistake to focus the entire theory on one man, although he deserves credit for being first to really put together the ideas into an actual theory that continue to this day being further supported and understood. Demonstrably so.

402 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 4:48:56am

Crazy wingnuts are crazy.

403 EdDantes  May 2, 2014 4:49:42am

re: #398 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

There isn’t a lack of fossils prior to the cambrian.

There are fossils prior to the Cambrian but the sponge is the only one we can identify.

404 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 4:52:16am

re: #403 EdDantes

There are fossils prior to the Cambrian but the sponge is the only one we can identify.

This is just factually untrue.

fossilmuseum.net

In addition, we know that there was massive metamorphic change in the rock layers that destroyed fossils; it’s completely unsurprising we’d have fewer fossils from that time period.

Can you please respond to the speciation events I cited?

And to the fossil record of the horse which shows the evolution of the foot to the hoof?

405 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 4:54:15am

Here’s a paper, by the way, showing the improvement in our understanding of the precambrian fossil record.
pnas.org

Now, after a half-century of discoveries, life’s history looks strikingly different—an immense early fossil record, unknown and assumed unknowable, has been uncovered to reveal an evolutionary progression dominated by microbes that stretches seven times farther into the geologic past than previously was known. This essay is an abbreviated history of how and by whom the known antiquity of life has been steadily extended, and of lessons learned in this still ongoing hunt for life’s beginnings.

406 EdDantes  May 2, 2014 4:54:38am

I’ve got to go now but I want Obdicut to continue to down ding me to make up for his lack of scientific knowledge. Oh! I didn’t down ding him at all.

407 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 4:56:02am

re: #406 EdDantes

I’ve got to go now but I want Obdicut to continue to down ding me to make up for his lack of scientific knowledge. Oh! I didn’t down ding him at all.

LOL

408 Ryan King  May 2, 2014 4:57:09am

I didn’t downding: CHECKMATE DARWINISTS

409 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 4:58:23am

re: #406 EdDantes

I’ve got to go now but I want Obdicut to continue to down ding me to make up for his lack of scientific knowledge. Oh! I didn’t down ding him at all.

You also asked me for evidence of speciation, which I gave, to which you’ve been unable to respond.

You confused speciation with evolution.

You are ignorant of modern developments in understanding of the precambrian era; you are using an anti-evolution argument that is woefully out of date.

You’re unable to explain how genetic reproduction could not cause evolution: given genes and mutation, and reproductive incompatibility, evolution is something that could be predicted without any access to the fossil record.

You have been unable to explain how the fossil record of the horse does not show the evolution of the hoof.

You have been unable to explain how evolved drug resistance in bacteria does not show evolution, because you don’t understand what the term means and confuse it with speciation.

But yeah, I’m sure people are going to believe I’m scientifically ignorant.

410 Ryan King  May 2, 2014 5:06:24am

This is why we can’t have nice things.

411 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 5:08:12am

re: #408 Ryan King

I did. That was the most ridiculous example of goal-post-moving and non-responsiveness I’ve seen in a while.

“Here, I’ll throw out some of my talking points for you to respond to. When you respond, I’ll refuse to acknowledge your response, or deny it’s a response and ask for another answer to another talking point. When you respond, demolishing my talking point, I’ll take my ball and go home, claiming you lack knowledge of science.”

Pretty much sums up the anti-evolutionist side of the discussion, really.

412 Ryan King  May 2, 2014 5:08:13am

re: #409 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

But yeah, I’m sure people are going to believe I’m scientifically ignorant.

Yes sir, I’ve researched your scientific credentials and have found significant proof of your scientific ignorance here.

413 Ryan King  May 2, 2014 5:11:05am

Everyone who downdings is morally bankrupt, therefore, is ignorant of science.

Signed, I Have No Idea of How Science Works in Wichita

414 Sionainn  May 2, 2014 5:12:16am

re: #413 Ryan King

Everyone who downdings is morally bankrupt, therefore, is ignorant of science.

Signed, I Have No Idea of How Science Works in Wichita

Sorry, couldn’t help it. ;-)

415 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 5:12:29am

Police arrest 9 during May Day ‘anarchist’ march in Seattle; some damage reported, but largely uneventful

𠈪 a 22-year-old man for property damage in the 1500 block of Broadway.
𠈪 23-year-old man for assaulting an officer at 6th Ave and Battery Street—officers also recovered a gun on the man during the arrest.
𠈪n 18-year-old man for malicious mischief at 6th and Virginia Street, where he damaged at least one vehicle.
𠈪 22-year-old man arrested for obstruction at 5th and Virginia.
𠈪 17-year-old man arrested for property damage at 6th and Pine.
𠈪 37-year-old man arrested for assault at Broadway and Pine.
𠈪 21-year-old man arrested for assault at Broadway and Pine
𠈪 19-year-old arrested for assault at Broadway and Pine
𠈪 20-year-old man arrested for assault at Broadway and E Olive.
𠈪nd a 17-year-old man arrested for obstruction at Broadway and Pine.

416 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 5:12:48am

The amount of arrests last night in Seattle were fairly low compared to past protests out there.

417 Sionainn  May 2, 2014 5:13:33am

re: #415 Killgore Trout

Police arrest 9 during May Day ‘anarchist’ march in Seattle; some damage reported, but largely uneventful

That’s nice. I hope to see much larger arrest numbers come from Las Vegas today at 10:00 a.m. when Bundy and his bunch show up at the police department.

418 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 5:14:37am

re: #412 Ryan King

Yes sir, I’ve researched your scientific credentials and have found significant proof of your scientific ignorance here.

The thing is, I don’t even have any scientific credentials. You don’t need any to understand evolution: It’s a very elegant idea. It was difficult to come up with, but it’s not difficult to understand. I know 5th graders who can understand it well.

419 Ryan King  May 2, 2014 5:15:07am

re: #414 Sionainn

Sorry, couldn’t help it. ;-)

Hey, I mad the Baddie Board! Just behind Ed!

420 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 5:16:01am

re: #415 Killgore Trout

Police arrest 9 during May Day ‘anarchist’ march in Seattle; some damage reported, but largely uneventful

All but 1 are kids. Next month most of them will be flipping your burger at lunch.

421 Sionainn  May 2, 2014 5:17:35am

re: #419 Ryan King

Hey, I mad the Baddie Board! Just behind Ed!

I had to go look at the bottom comments because I certainly didn’t want to put you there since I’m just teasing. You aren’t there.

P.S. I took it back. *smooch*

422 Ryan King  May 2, 2014 5:18:20am

re: #418 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The thing is, I don’t even have any scientific credentials. You don’t need any to understand evolution: It’s a very elegant idea. It was difficult to come up with, but it’s not difficult to understand. I know 5th graders who can understand it well.

True. But it does require effort to find, read, and think through.

Too much to ask of for many. I don’t know if it’s laziness as much as a comfort thing.

423 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 5:18:49am

Last minute footage of the ukrainian pilot being treated by the rebels.
Liveleak Video

He looks pretty badly injured

424 Ryan King  May 2, 2014 5:20:42am

re: #421 Sionainn

I had to go look at the bottom comments because I certainly didn’t want to put you there since I’m just teasing. You aren’t there.

Because some Morally Repugnant Anti-Science Updingers updinged me. DAMN THEM ALL TO…uh, just DAMN THEM.

(shakes fist, scowls)

425 Sionainn  May 2, 2014 5:21:37am

re: #424 Ryan King

Because some Morally Repugnant Anti-Science Updingers updinged me. DAMN THEM ALL TO…uh, just DAMN THEM.

(shakes fist, scowls)

Thanks for the laughs. I needed them to start my day. Off to work now.

426 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 5:21:39am

re: #416 NJDhockeyfan

The amount of arrests last night in Seattle were fairly low compared to past protests out there.

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Compared to previous years or OWS protests, last nights protests were much improved. I haven’t seen any reports of what happened last night here in Portland but it probably wasn’t too bad either. Looks like the cops did a pretty good job keeping the crowd from going wild.

427 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 5:22:34am

re: #422 Ryan King

True. But it does require effort to find, read, and think through.

Too much to ask of for many. I don’t know if it’s laziness as much as a comfort thing.

I don’t have the data to support it at hand, but I’m pretty sure resistance to the idea of evolution is driven by religious or other cultural beliefs and fanaticisms, rather than ignorance.

For example, the Japanese accept evolution widely—but they don’t accept human evolution as widely as other countries that accept evolution widely. The Japanese also have a cultural myth of being significantly different from other human populations.

428 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 5:23:20am

re: #427 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I don’t have the data to support it at hand, but I’m pretty sure resistance to the idea of evolution is driven by religious or other cultural beliefs and fanaticisms, rather than ignorance.

For example, the Japanese accept evolution widely—but they don’t accept human evolution as widely as other countries that accept evolution widely. The Japanese also have a cultural myth of being significantly different from other human populations.

Well, that’s a polite way of saying they are racists.

429 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 5:25:15am

re: #428 Pie-onist Overlord

Well, that’s a polite way of saying they are racists.

Well, you can’t say “Japanese are racists”, because there’s plenty of Japanese who aren’t racist. Moreover, there are quite a few who don’t think the Japanese are genetically different from other human beings, but that there’s some mystical, metaphysical difference.

430 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 5:25:45am

re: #427 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I’m pretty sure resistance to the idea of evolution is driven by religious or other cultural beliefs and fanaticisms, rather than ignorance.

I’d say both, at least in terms of the American fundamentalist/evangelical Christian axis (I know, I were one at one point … I got better).

The religious/cultural beliefs cause the ignorance, but it makes for ignorance, nonetheless. Also, a lot of these folks have no idea beyond what their pastor/Sunday school teacher/Ken Ham told them.

431 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 5:26:38am

re: #428 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s sort of like American Exeptionalism.

432 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 5:29:58am

re: #430 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I’d say both, at least in terms of the American fundamentalist/evangelical Christian axis (I know, I were one at one point … I got better).

The religious/cultural beliefs cause the ignorance, but it makes for ignorance, nonetheless. Also, a lot of these folks have no idea beyond what their pastor/Sunday school teacher/Ken Ham told them.

I’d agree, but there are also those who do know, who have looked at the fossil record, who are aware of microevolution, and still reject evolution. The ability to know and acknowledge the facts and yet say that there’s a ‘larger truth’ is something you get a lot.

For a trivial example, the belief in the ‘trinity’ of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit being at once separate entities and the same thing. This isn’t actually something that makes any logical sense, it’s an impossibility, and yet it’s a tenant of faith in many religions. If you asked those people if 1=3, they’d say no, but if you pointed out the trinity asserts that, they’d say that god can do anything.

So there’s a belief in a god to whom facts don’t matter, as it were, as well as the ignorance. Both are problems. There’s a distinct difference between religions that say “Deal with the facts” and those that say “Facts can be overruled by metaphysics”.

433 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 5:32:16am

re: #415 Killgore Trout

Police arrest 9 during May Day ‘anarchist’ march in Seattle; some damage reported, but largely uneventful

That’s not even a good Louisville bar the night before the Derby.

434 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 5:35:15am

re: #433 Decatur Deb

That’s not even a good Louisville bar the night before the Derby.

They don’t make anarchists like they used to.

435 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 5:39:05am

re: #434 NJDhockeyfan

They don’t make anarchists like they used to.

They don’t make bars like The Gay 90s. I hope.

436 GunstarGreen  May 2, 2014 5:42:37am

re: #33 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!

The only people who can appreciate this movie and the message it brings are right wing Christians and the Taliban, ironically.

There’s no difference between the two. They’re called the American Taliban for a reason.

437 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 5:43:58am

Meanwhile on the other side of the world…

438 Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 2, 2014 5:44:37am

when it comes down to it, is it always and forever going to be a fistfight between those who rely on blind faith and those who rely on evidence, experimentation, peer review, and consensus?

439 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 5:46:10am

Ukrainian Mi-17 Helicopter Under Heavy Fire in Slaviansk (volume warning)

Liveleak Video

440 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 5:46:36am

re: #432 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

For a trivial example, the belief in the ‘trinity’ of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit being at once separate entities and the same thing. This isn’t actually something that makes any logical sense, it’s an impossibility, and yet it’s a tenant of faith in many religions. If you asked those people if 1=3, they’d say no, but if you pointed out the trinity asserts that, they’d say that god can do anything.

I’d say that’s a separate arena from the evolution question, as that’s dealing with as issue of theology that focuses on something that can’t be observed or subjected to scientific method, really - the logic problem I grant. But really, if you posit an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent deity, you can illogic a lot of stuff away.

The question of evolution is, as you say, a thornier issue, because these (otherwise very intelligent) folk have seen the record, the scientific discourse, etc., and have chosen to reject it based on … whatever (blind faith, larger truths, biblical texts, hand-waving, etc.).

441 Mattand  May 2, 2014 5:50:23am

So someone has started their morning by denying evolution.

Jesus Christ, it’s amazing a good chunk of the US population doesn’t accuse you of stealing their souls when you take their picture.

442 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 5:50:45am
443 GunstarGreen  May 2, 2014 5:52:36am

re: #440 Rev_Arthur_Belling

They all have the same root though. Those people choose to reject the evidence laid out before them because this book instructs them to, and they have come to believe (whether through being raised that way or through some other mental process) that loyalty to the book is more important than anything else, including reality.

And this is why we get so much violence in the name of religion. Because at its core, the highly religious mind is a mind that is capable of prioritizing loyalty to the book above all else, up to and including outright rejection of reality.

444 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 5:53:06am

re: #442 NJDhockeyfan

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BLM THUGS ABUSING OUR RANCHERS !!!1!

445 GunstarGreen  May 2, 2014 5:54:14am

re: #441 Mattand

So someone has started their morning by denying evolution.

Jesus Christ, it’s amazing a good chunk of the US population doesn’t accuse you of stealing their souls when you take their picture.

Much like the issue of mixed-fabric clothing and food choices vs. “no gayz allowed”, American Religion is mostly a matter of picking and choosing those tenets that allow you to be the kind of asshole you want to be while maximizing your convenience in other areas.

446 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 5:55:34am
447 FemNaziBitch  May 2, 2014 5:58:28am

It’s morning again.

Why does this keep happening to me?

448 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 5:58:48am

Uh oh…

449 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 6:01:12am

re: #446 NJDhockeyfan

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Whod’da thot Keith would outlive marijuana laws?

450 FemNaziBitch  May 2, 2014 6:05:00am

You can’t hold G-d’s hand if you are masterbating.

451 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 6:05:09am

Financial Post:
Job Market Heats Up in April; Unemployment Rate Drops to 6.3%

nbcnews.com

What about the unskewed unemployment numbers?

452 FemNaziBitch  May 2, 2014 6:05:45am

453 b.d.  May 2, 2014 6:06:14am

FAKE GOVERNMENT NUMBERS!!!!

454 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 6:07:59am

re: #451 Decatur Deb

Financial Post:
Job Market Heats Up in April; Unemployment Rate Drops to 6.3%

nbcnews.com

What about the unskewed unemployment numbers?

HURR HURR!!!!! TEH OLD PEOPLES SHOULD WORK UNTIL THEY DIE!!!!!!

455 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 6:08:51am
456 FemNaziBitch  May 2, 2014 6:09:28am

457 b.d.  May 2, 2014 6:09:46am

re: #455 Pie-onist Overlord

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DailyKos? FireDogLake?

//

458 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 6:11:10am

re: #448 NJDhockeyfan

Uh oh…

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Yeah, Putin’s gonna need Odessa too. When he breaks off that chunk of Moldova he’s going to need a sea port for it.

459 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 6:11:28am

Well if that’s the case Janie, raising the minimum wage shouldn’t really have much of an impact on the economy.

460 lawhawk  May 2, 2014 6:18:14am

Greets and saluts from the bright and sunny NYC metro area. The BLS released their monthly statistics, and here’s a sample news report, which shows the rate dropping to 6.3% from 6.7%. It’s better than what analysts had expected, and earlier months were likewise revised upwards.

The labor market roared ahead in April as milder weather helped employers add 288,000 jobs — the most in more than two years.

The unemployment rate fell to 6.3% from 6.7% — the lowest since September 2008, the Labor Department said Friday.

Economists surveyed by Action Economics estimated that 210,000 jobs were added last month.

Businesses added 273,000 jobs, led by strong gains in professional and business services, retail and restaurants, and construction. Federal, state and local governments added 15,000.

Job gains for February and March were revised up by a total 36,000. February’s increase was revised to 222,000 from 197,000 and March’s to 203,000 from 192,000.

Strong job growth is a good thing, but not what the GOP wants people to think.

Here’s the BLS figures for unemployment using different measures. U-3 is the official rate (using the seasonally adjusted figures). U-6 is the one that GOPers will latch on to.

They have a limited point here. The U-6 is always higher than the official rate, but over the past few years, the U-6 rate has diverged from the official rate by a greater margin than in the past. In past years, the U-6 was about 4 points higher than the U-3 official rate. It’s now closer to 6 points higher.

The problem for the GOP is that they don’t offer up anything that would actually reduce the unemployment rate for those who have been marginalized by the job market.

461 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 6:19:53am

re: #460 lawhawk

The problem for the GOP is that they don’t offer up anything that would actually reduce the unemployment rate for those who have been marginalized by the job market.

HURR HURR!!!! THEIR SHOULD BE NO MOAR MINIMUM WAGE!!!!!!!

462 lawhawk  May 2, 2014 6:22:40am

re: #459 Pie-onist Overlord

And I’m betting that that “statistic” is based on those who are being paid the US minimum wage, which is lower than or equal to the state rates in 19 states. There are a number of states that have just increased their minimum wages, or are phasing in new increases to the minimum wage as well.

463 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 6:22:45am

re: #460 lawhawk

…snip.
The problem for the GOP is that they don’t offer up anything that would actually reduce the unemployment rate for those who have been marginalized by the job market.

More prisons. Building ‘em and filling ‘em. Fights unemployment from both ends.

464 b.d.  May 2, 2014 6:22:48am

SEE, WE DON’T NEED A MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE SINCE THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS’ POLICIES ARE CREATING JOBS

466 FemNaziBitch  May 2, 2014 6:25:07am

bbl

467 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 6:27:28am

Tourism, farming, prisons power North Florida’s rural economy

gainesville.com

The Sunshine Gulag.

468 William Barnett-Lewis  May 2, 2014 6:29:40am

re: #346 FemNaziBitch

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That’s not accurate. The whole ratification process needs to be done again because the bill contained a deadline that is long past.

469 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 6:30:42am

Russia Today

13:01 GMT:

Massive clashes have erupted in Odessa’s Grecheskaya Street, Interfax reports. Several thousand Kiev supporters gathered in the city center, accompanied by fans of the local football team, Chernomorets. They were confronted by several hundred anti-government protesters with baseball bats and shields.

470 darthstar  May 2, 2014 6:33:07am
471 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 6:34:22am

Livestream showing one dead protester, some gunshots

472 William Barnett-Lewis  May 2, 2014 6:35:24am

re: #377 Justanotherhuman

For the haters from the rightwing who proclaim their religion constantly, and those pushing these propagandistic “faith” vehicles like this awful movie, I have a reminder for them.

1 Corinthians 13:13

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Micah 6:8

He has told you, O mortal, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

& the second chapter of James are equally applicable. Not to mention 1 Peter 4:8

Above all, maintain constant love for one another, for love covers a multitude of sins.

473 darthstar  May 2, 2014 6:36:02am
474 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 6:36:04am

Photographer just hit by speeding patrol car

475 darthstar  May 2, 2014 6:39:00am
476 lawhawk  May 2, 2014 6:39:33am

re: #470 darthstar

The latest outrageous outrage - Obama wasn’t in the room as Benghazi was underway.

Ummm…. and this matters why/how? A president could simply request others monitor the situation and let him know when they have actionable information, and to let him know what can actually be done.

Time differences and all (Benghazi is 6 hours ahead of DC).

And the one fact that is indisputable is that the DoD had nothing that could respond and save the Ambassador from being killed. Any rescue was hours away.

Oh, another uncomfortable fact? The GOP refused to fund the State Department request for additional security, and the sequester cut across the board, including diplomatic security.

477 darthstar  May 2, 2014 6:39:42am

re: #474 Killgore Trout

Photographer just hit by speeding patrol car

I don’t narrate the porn I’m watching.

478 Ian G.  May 2, 2014 6:39:52am

Wait, wasn’t “A Matter of Faith” released a few weeks ago under the title “God’s Not Dead”?

//// (only halfway, though)

There’s not purpose to these flicks other than to calm the wingnuts who are terrified they’re losing this battle (they are). It’s a cinematic therapy session.

479 darthstar  May 2, 2014 6:40:59am
480 b.d.  May 2, 2014 6:41:08am

——

deleted

Darthstar beat my posting.

I vow vengeance.

481 darthstar  May 2, 2014 6:43:53am
482 Mattand  May 2, 2014 6:44:21am

re: #477 darthstar

I don’t narrate the porn I’m watching.

There’s a fine line between “Linking to news that people from other parts of the US might not hear about” and “See? This is why I think the cops should be allowed to kill protesters on sight.”

483 darthstar  May 2, 2014 6:46:20am

Full quote:
“Our Democratic friends, for the most part, have been in the tank over Benghazi. Some guy said this about me yesterday on the left: The only reason I cared about this was because I have six tea party opponents. Well, if that’s true, I’m the biggest scumbag in America.”

— Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), in a radio interview with Mike Gallagher.

484 ObserverArt  May 2, 2014 6:49:29am

re: #422 Ryan King

True. But it does require effort to find, read, and think through.

Too much to ask of for many. I don’t know if it’s laziness as much as a comfort thing.

Interesting comment. It also holds true for The Bible.

I was by earlier when Ed was being…well Ed. Had to leave and scope out some other sites.

You know what always perplexes me regarding Christian types having trouble with science and especially evolution? I went through the Catholic Baltimore Catechism days…learning all the rote answers to the questions asked. And I always had a problem with the fact they would make us recite we were all made by God and in his image.

So, science was created by God. Man was created by God. Through science man tries to figure out how things work by using his brain and looking at all that stuff God made. I’m thinking all of that is created by God too, right?

So God created Charles Darwin and Darwin’s brain and Darwin created Evolution. Therefore God created evolution through the workings of Darwin.

Where the heck is the disconnect with religions and science? I should think denying science is denying God to the deeply religious.

We were given brains for a reason. Maybe some people are too lazy to want to use them and learn all the cool stuff the creator of all created.

Outside that…it is Friday. Thank God!

: )

Edit…recite…not recent…duh!

485 darthstar  May 2, 2014 6:52:31am

Fox just can’t help themselves.

486 darthstar  May 2, 2014 6:53:27am
487 darthstar  May 2, 2014 6:55:22am
488 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 7:00:23am
489 Mattand  May 2, 2014 7:00:39am

re: #484 ObserverArt

Where the heck is the disconnect with religions and science? I should think denying science is denying God to the deeply religious.

I’ve always seen the religious fight against evolution as the hardcore faithful realizing the jig is up. Evolution pretty much blows the Garden of Eden out of the water, which IMO is one of the most popular go-to stories in the Bible.

If the ultimate Issue #1 origin story isn’t true, then the rest collapses like a house of cards. God; Noah; Moses; Jesus; the wicked-ass grand finale that features all the weird monsters; there either not real or greatly exaggerated tales of something that may have happened millennia ago.

Thus, the desperate attempt to put the truth genie back in the bottle. I mean, that’s what the movie featured in the OP is all about. It’s the religious cinematic version of Kevin Bacon from Animal House running around screaming, “Remain calm! All is well!”

490 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 7:06:15am
491 GunstarGreen  May 2, 2014 7:07:47am

re: #485 darthstar

Fox just can’t help themselves.

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Blatant, unashamed propaganda. Played for an audience of rubes that is either too stupid or too zealous to care. Under no normal line of reasoning does lower on the Y-axis correspond to higher values.

492 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 7:09:48am

re: #488 NJDhockeyfan

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493 Mattand  May 2, 2014 7:10:15am

re: #485 darthstar

re: #491 GunstarGreen

As LOL-worthy and probable as it is, has this graph been confirmed as real yet? Some people brought that question up on the Twitter thread it’s featured in

494 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 7:11:30am

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

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It’s really an amazing looking city

495 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 7:13:49am
496 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 7:15:33am

Protesters looks like they’ve found a fire truck, hooking up hoses now

497 darthstar  May 2, 2014 7:15:41am

re: #494 Killgore Trout

re: #495 NJDhockeyfan

Have you guys ever tried google hangouts? They’re awesome.

498 Bulworth  May 2, 2014 7:18:30am

Charles Johnson posted:

In “A Matter of Faith,” a good Christian girl who was raised right by her creationist daddy goes off to college, and daddy’s worst fears come true — Rachel falls under the spell of a sinister egg-headed evolutionist professor!

Haven’t we seen this movie already? There’s been something playing called God Isn’t Dead or something.

Just goes to show truly persecuted the religious right is. Wingnut actors can’t get jobs. Fundy movies can’t get made. //

499 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 7:18:37am

It’s getting hard to tell who’s who. Most of the normally dressed protesters have been replaced with more professional looking guys in uniforms and helmets.

500 William Barnett-Lewis  May 2, 2014 7:18:38am

re: #495 NJDhockeyfan

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Not spetznatz (Russian special forces). Rather a regular infantry designated marksman. It is an important difference - if he were, in fact, spetznatz he’d be hidden in a rooftop with high end camouflage and a spotter. This is just another soldier with a scoped rifle.

501 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 7:18:54am

re: #485 darthstar

Fox just can’t help themselves.

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Yep, pretty sleazy even by their standards.

502 lawhawk  May 2, 2014 7:19:41am

re: #491 GunstarGreen

Reuters did something similar a while back with SYG, where they reversed the Y axis and it showed the opposite of what people expect from those kinds of graphics.

503 RealityBasedSteve  May 2, 2014 7:21:35am

In 9 hours and 10 minutes I get on a flight from Nashville to Ft. Lauderdale, to attend a 5 day Family Reunion in Key Largo.

And my boarding pass is marked TSA-PRE, meaning I get to go to the special line, not have to open all my bags, Take laptop and cameras out… YEA ME!!!!

RBS

504 darthstar  May 2, 2014 7:23:08am

Anecdotal evidence why I’m not sweating the war porn in Ukraine right now. Putin’s puppets aren’t as cohesive a group as people want to believe.

505 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 7:25:44am

Wingnuts are just making up random numbers of people they claim are FORCED OUT OF TEH LABOR MARKET!!!!!!TY

506 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 7:26:51am

Police are looking really scared after that discussion

507 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 7:27:16am
508 Mattand  May 2, 2014 7:27:27am

re: #502 lawhawk

Reuters did something similar a while back with SYG, where they reversed the Y axis and it showed the opposite of what people expect from those kinds of graphics.

In that case, the artist admitted that they were trying to go for a “blood dripping down the walls” look that failed miserably.

Since this is an alleged Fox News graphic, it’s more of an issue of how far will Fox go in unapologetic lying to damage Obama?

509 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 7:27:32am

re: #505 Pie-onist Overlord

Man, Zerohedge has really gone off the deep end. At one time, I actually scanned them occasionally for intelligence in 2008.

510 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 7:29:55am

re: #506 Killgore Trout

Police are looking really scared after that discussion

They’ve been helping the pro-Russian group. Maybe the Ukraine supporters are gaining the upper hand right now. That would be great.

511 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 7:30:00am

Thy show again they don’t understand how macro-economics actually works. What a shocker.

513 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 7:32:01am

re: #510 NJDhockeyfan

They’ve been helping the pro-Russian group. Maybe the Ukraine supporters are gaining the upper hand right now. That would be great.

Looks like engagement broke off, firetruck turned around and left.

514 Bulworth  May 2, 2014 7:33:49am

Pie-onist Overlord posted:

Wingnuts are just making up random numbers of people they claim are FORCED OUT OF TEH LABOR MARKET!!!!!!TY

Eleventy Millions can’t work because Ocare and tax enough already!!!!but unemployed are lazy moochers!!!!1

515 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 7:33:53am

If Ukraine loses Odessa I don’t think they’re totally landlocked but I don’t think they have another major port left.

516 Mattand  May 2, 2014 7:34:01am

Hey, guys! Look! There’s a collection of free Faces of Death DVDs up for grabs outside your windows!!! Better hurry!!!

517 darthstar  May 2, 2014 7:35:15am

518 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 7:36:13am
519 Bulworth  May 2, 2014 7:36:21am

800K QUIT LABOR FORCE IN APRIL

—

Gov can’t create jobs only private business create jobs but Obamas fault and lazy unemployed don’t wont to work just get free STuff!!!

520 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 7:38:16am

re: #519 Bulworth

800K QUIT LABOR FORCE IN APRIL

—

Gov can’t create jobs only private business create jobs but Obamas fault and lazy unemployed don’t wont to work just get free STuff!!!

Let’s just leave it at Obama’s fault because that’s what it will always be even if Obama had the Clinton era economy.

521 darthstar  May 2, 2014 7:41:01am

Holy shit…He really is.

522 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 7:42:07am
523 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 7:44:04am

re: #521 darthstar

Wasn’t Hillary Clinton SoS when Benghazi happened?

524 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 7:44:32am

re: #523 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Wasn’t Hillary Clinton SoS when Benghazi happened?

Yeah she was.

525 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 7:44:46am
526 darthstar  May 2, 2014 7:45:48am
527 darthstar  May 2, 2014 7:46:22am

re: #523 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Wasn’t Hillary Clinton SoS when Benghazi happened?

528 lawhawk  May 2, 2014 7:47:04am

More economic data released today.

Factory orders up. Durable goods revised up.

The Commerce Department said on Friday new orders for manufactured goods increased 1.1 percent. February’s orders were revised to show a 1.5 percent rise instead of the previously reported 1.6 percent gain.

Economists polled by Reuters had forecast new orders received by factories advancing 1.4 percent in March.

Orders excluding the volatile transportation category rose 0.6 percent after advancing 0.7 percent in February.

Manufacturing is pushing higher after a lull in the winter, but a surge in inventories in the second half of 2013 remains an obstacle to achieving a faster pace of factory activity.

A report on Thursday showed a gauge of national factory activity rose in April for a third month. The Commerce Department report showed inventories increased only 0.1 percent in March, slowing from February’s 0.7 percent increase.

529 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 7:47:14am

re: #527 darthstar

FSM, Issa is such a dumbfuck tool.

530 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 7:47:57am
531 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 7:48:46am

re: #528 lawhawk

NPR yesterday had an economist talking about how the brutal winter had depressed durable goods sales. People don’t buy big ticket items when they’re hunkered down in their homes trying to stave off several feet of snow. Who knew?

532 lawhawk  May 2, 2014 7:48:53am

re: #527 darthstar

Issa probably figures that since he’s got Kerry there, they’ll ask him about his statements about Israel too. Just you watch. It’s all so much kabuki theater.

The hearings aren’t about getting information. It’s about putting together soundbites and making it look like Congress is doing something.

533 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 7:52:24am

re: #532 lawhawk

Issa probably figures that since he’s got Kerry there, they’ll ask him about his statements about Israel too. Just you watch. It’s all so much kabuki theater.

The hearings aren’t about getting information. It’s about putting together soundbites and making it look like Congress is doing something.

It’s about Issa and his guys when they have to face even bigger nutcases in the primaries going to their base and saying “See, we grilled Kerry too.” If it was about really getting answers, they would be looking at themselves for cutting embassy and consulate security but they won’t because everything is Obama’s fault.

534 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 7:53:11am

re: #530 Pie-onist Overlord

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Hoftnomics where one blames POTUS for people not looking for work yet insists the government shouldn’t be involved in the economy.

535 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 7:53:40am

re: #522 NJDhockeyfan

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Interesting that Russia seems to be the one initiating these UN meetings. I guess it makes sense since they are calling the shots here.

536 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 7:53:56am
537 Sionainn  May 2, 2014 7:55:19am

re: #485 darthstar

Fox just can’t help themselves.

What a weird ass way of doing a graph.

538 ObserverArt  May 2, 2014 7:55:55am

re: #532 lawhawk

Issa probably figures that since he’s got Kerry there, they’ll ask him about his statements about Israel too. Just you watch. It’s all so much kabuki theater.

The hearings aren’t about getting information. It’s about putting together soundbites and making it look like Congress is doing something.

Yessir.

I have a feeling Kerry is getting a little frustrated and testy with the way things are going in the world. I think he will see testifying in front of Issa’s committee as a waste of time, so there is good potential for him to rip into Issa big time. I expect more mics getting turned off and Issa calling a recess or ending the meeting when Kerry grows to the ‘enough’ point and starts taking Issa on.

539 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 7:56:34am

Unsurprisingly it looks like Putin is not going to honor his Geneva agreements
nytimes.com

Blaming the Kiev authorities, a spokesman for President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, Dmitri S. Peskov, told Russian news agencies, “The Kiev regime ordered combat aircraft to fire at civilian towns and villages, launching a ‘punitive operation’ and effectively destroying all hope for the viability of the Geneva agreements.”

Moscow repeated its warning that it reserved the right to intervene to protect its interests and Russian-leaning residents of eastern Ukraine, but there were no signs of an imminent move across the border.

Hashtag still not honored

540 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 7:58:22am

re: #485 darthstar

Fox just can’t help themselves.

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Is that real?

541 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 7:58:49am

re: #538 ObserverArt

I’d watch that on PPV.

542 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 7:58:54am

re: #535 Killgore Trout

Interesting that Russia seems to be the one initiating these UN meetings. I guess it makes sense since they are calling the shots here.

They are going to say how concerned they are about the violence happening in Ukraine, whine about current sanctions, and tell us how an invasion is needed to save Ukraine. Same bullshit, different day.

543 ObserverArt  May 2, 2014 7:58:56am

re: #537 Sionainn

What a weird ass way of doing a graph.

Fits the weird ass way they do the news. Actually it is fitting when you consider it.

The Topsy-turvy world of Fox news. What is up is down, what is down is up,

544 lawhawk  May 2, 2014 8:02:13am

re: #530 Pie-onist Overlord

And you know why the rate is still as high as it is, and the economy hasn’t recovered even faster? Government jobs haven’t recovered as much as private sector - a feature, not a bug, of the GOP efforts to shrink/destroy government, even the parts they’re willing to nominally tolerate.

545 Sionainn  May 2, 2014 8:03:08am

re: #538 ObserverArt

Yessir.

I have a feeling Kerry is getting a little frustrated and testy with the way things are going in the world. I think he will see testifying in front of Issa’s committee as a waste of time, so there is good potential for him to rip into Issa big time. I expect more mics getting turned off and Issa calling a recess or ending the meeting when Kerry grows to the ‘enough’ point and starts taking Issa on.

Oooh, one can only hope!

546 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 8:05:30am

re: #544 lawhawk

And you know why the rate is still as high as it is, and the economy hasn’t recovered even faster? Government jobs haven’t recovered as much as private sector - a feature, not a bug, of the GOP efforts to shrink/destroy government, even the parts they’re willing to nominally tolerate.

When government shut down for 2 weeks, the wingnuts were jubilating at all the “unnecessary” workers who were furloughed, even while they were whining like toddlers that park rangers were unavailable.

547 lawhawk  May 2, 2014 8:06:42am

Over in South Korea, two subway cars collided, and there are hundreds of injuries reported.

Much closer to home, an F train derailed a short time ago in Woodside Queens and FDNY is on scene. No reports of injuries in early reports, but there is apparently a smoke condition.

The MTA reports it was a Brooklyn-bound F train on the express tracks.

548 Eventual Carrion  May 2, 2014 8:10:57am

re: #537 Sionainn

What a weird ass way of doing a graph.

Not when it serves its purpose (to distract and un-inform).

549 lawhawk  May 2, 2014 8:12:24am

re: #546 Pie-onist Overlord

Maths is hard, and a deeper dive into Rick Perry’s Toyota comments shows just how idiotic and wasteful Perry was with limited state resources.

Toyota was going to move to Texas regardless after weighing the options. They had wanted to consolidate their corporate HQ, and the combination of factors weighed heavily towards Plano. The $40 million Toyota got wasn’t the deciding factor (but what company isn’t going to look that kind of money and refuse to take it).

So, instead of creating new organic jobs above and beyond those already existing nationally, Perry spent $40 million to shift 3,000 jobs from California to Texas that Toyota was going to move anyways.

550 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 8:14:40am

Somebody thought this was a good idea.

Windows 8 Transformation Pack 8.1

Windows 8 Transformation Pack will convert your XP, Vista or Windows 7 based system to look like Windows 8 and some of its features emulated. You don’t have to purchase Windows 8 or any 3rd-party applications to get Windows 8 UI experiences

Uhh, why on earth would anyone want to do that?

fileforum.betanews.com

551 Eventual Carrion  May 2, 2014 8:14:56am

re: #549 lawhawk

Maths is hard, and a deeper dive into Rick Perry’s Toyota comments shows just how idiotic and wasteful Perry was with limited state resources.

Toyota was going to move to Texas regardless after weighing the options. They had wanted to consolidate their corporate HQ, and the combination of factors weighed heavily towards Plano. The $40 million Toyota got wasn’t the deciding factor (but what company isn’t going to look that kind of money and refuse to take it).

So, instead of creating new organic jobs above and beyond those already existing nationally, Perry spent $40 million to shift 3,000 jobs from California to Texas that Toyota was going to move anyways.

No biggie, I’m sure he will see a little of it come back his way anyway (not back to the state of Texas mind you, back HIS way).

552 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 8:18:20am

re: #546 Pie-onist Overlord

When government shut down for 2 weeks, the wingnuts were jubilating at all the “unnecessary” workers who were furloughed, even while they were whining like toddlers that park rangers were unavailable.

It’s their political schizophrenia.

553 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 8:21:22am

re: #544 lawhawk

And you know why the rate is still as high as it is, and the economy hasn’t recovered even faster? Government jobs haven’t recovered as much as private sector - a feature, not a bug, of the GOP efforts to shrink/destroy government, even the parts they’re willing to nominally tolerate.

What I don’t understand about their ideology is this desire to dramatically reduce the size of government which obviously would create a lot of unemployed people in an instant. If you did what they wanted to do, you’d have even more unemployment and underemployment. But then again this is the same ideology that opposes things like welfare and food stamps all the while opposing the raising the minimum wage. See also how government’s size is so out of control but we can’t touch the defense budget. I’ve come to realize that conservatives just don’t understand economic realities.They live in a world of platitudes and sound bites.

554 ObserverArt  May 2, 2014 8:24:21am

re: #545 Sionainn

Oooh, one can only hope!

Well, if he watched Holder versus Gohmert…he might just be inspired.

555 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 8:26:20am

re: #554 ObserverArt

Well, if he watched Holder versus Gohmert…he might just be inspired.

Watching Gohmert in action is like watching an Anchorman spin-off where Champ Kind has Brick Tambland’s intelligence level and gets elected to Congress. A sort of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington if Mr. Smith was “what some call mentally retarded.”

556 Gus  May 2, 2014 8:29:46am
557 RealityBasedSteve  May 2, 2014 8:31:07am

re: #550 Skip Intro

Somebody thought this was a good idea.

Windows 8 Transformation Pack 8.1

Uhh, why on earth would anyone want to do that?

fileforum.betanews.com

Sort of like the old “Bradley GT” Kit cars… Make your VW Beetle look like something fast and exotic… But this would be more like a kit to make your car look like a YUGO-GT.

RBS

558 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 8:32:42am
559 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 8:35:17am

re: #558 Killgore Trout

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560 Gus  May 2, 2014 8:36:23am

Fucking ridiculous. More Benghazi. The GOP is a lost cause.

561 Gus  May 2, 2014 8:36:30am
562 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 8:38:01am

ustream.tv

Police protecting what looks like s single (very professional looking) soldier with facemask.

563 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 8:38:08am

Everyone knows entry level jobs are unpaid internships.

564 ObserverArt  May 2, 2014 8:38:33am

re: #557 RealityBasedSteve

Sort of like the old “Bradley GT” Kit cars… Make your VW Beetle look like something fast and exotic… But this would be more like a kit to make your car look like a YUGO-GT.

RBS

Just drop in a older Porsche engine and some of those kit cars can kick it pretty good. Who knows…maybe a small roots blower or a turbo added and leave others wondering. At least until you blow the heads off!

: )

565 Gus  May 2, 2014 8:38:35am

GOP:

Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA.

566 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 8:39:06am

re: #562 Killgore Trout

ustream.tv

Police protecting what looks like s single (very professional looking) soldier with facemask.

Maybe not protecting, they just took off his mask. He’s trying to hide his face from cameras

567 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 8:41:01am

re: #550 Skip Intro

Somebody thought this was a good idea.

Windows 8 Transformation Pack 8.1

Uhh, why on earth would anyone want to do that?

fileforum.betanews.com

At least from the sounds of it, Microsoft is giving users a choice. Mozilla decided it wanted Firefox to look like Chrome and users have no choices if they don’t want to be stuck back at FF28. I’m seriously considering taking my chances and downgrading, because I’ve already had three crashes since yesterday with FF29 and it’s absolutely killing my memory usage.

568 blueraven  May 2, 2014 8:47:14am

re: #565 Gus

GOP:

Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA. Benghazi. Repeal ACA.

And their helpful overlords: Fox News
They will be running a special 3 times over the weekend

Benghazi: White House Cover-Up Revealed (?)

FRIDAY, MAY 2 AT 9 P.M. ET

SATURDAY, MAY 3 AT 10 P.M. ET

SUNDAY, MAY 4 AT 9 P.M. ET

569 Gus  May 2, 2014 8:47:17am
570 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 8:48:41am

Professional soldier is fucked. I assume it has something to do with the protester bleeding from the neck 50 yards away. I don’t think that crowd is going to let the police take the soldier out.

571 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 8:53:44am
572 Gus  May 2, 2014 8:54:07am
573 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 8:55:24am

Now it’s nothing but clickbait.

574 Dr Lizardo  May 2, 2014 8:56:05am

re: #571 Killgore Trout

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Isn’t being without insignia a violation of the Geneva Convention, thereby leaving that Russian soldier liable to summary execution?

Or am I thinking in mufti?

575 b_sharp  May 2, 2014 8:56:20am

re: #564 ObserverArt

Just drop in a older Porsche engine and some of those kit cars can kick it pretty good. Who knows…maybe a small roots blower or a turbo added and leave others wondering. At least until you blow the heads off!

: )

Keep the boost below about 7lbs and the heads should survive.

576 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 8:57:42am

re: #574 Dr Lizardo

Isn’t being without insignia a violation of the Geneva Convention, thereby leaving that Russian soldier liable to summary execution?

Or am I thinking in mufti?

Technically maybe. I don’t know if it’s a grey area if they’re advisors or private contractors.

577 Lidane  May 2, 2014 8:58:33am

Uncle Ruckus is bleating again:

578 Bulworth  May 2, 2014 8:58:51am

Pie-onist Overlord posted:

On Wednesday, The Intercept “released one of the most revealing documents about NSA spying yet,” - EmptyWheel

REVealing!!! SPying!!!!

579 Dr Lizardo  May 2, 2014 8:59:00am

re: #576 Killgore Trout

Technically maybe. I don’t know if it’s a grey area if they’re advisors or private contractors.

Hmmm……..that’s actually a good question.

Where do civilian contractors stand in relation to the Geneva Conventions?

580 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 8:59:35am

re: #574 Dr Lizardo

Isn’t being without insignia a violation of the Geneva Convention, thereby leaving that Russian soldier liable to summary execution?

Or am I thinking in mufti?

Either way, I’m pretty sure cutting a civilian’s throat is also a violation. The victim was bleeding really badly.

581 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 9:01:02am

re: #577 Lidane

Uncle Ruckus is bleating again:

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Alan Keyes is still bat-shit insane. Some things just never change.

582 Dr Lizardo  May 2, 2014 9:01:51am

re: #577 Lidane

Uncle Ruckus is bleating again:

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Now look what you made me do.

Caution: The following is NSFW and/or may be offensive. Which is why I’m putting in a spoiler window.

Spoiler

Youtube Video

583 Bulworth  May 2, 2014 9:02:08am

Lidane posted:

Alan Keyes warns Obama is using his race as a “magic cloak” to carry out his “genocidal” plans

Typical Obama, always with these great elaborate plans and no follow-through. ///

584 Gus  May 2, 2014 9:02:25am

re: #573 Pie-onist Overlord

Now it’s nothing but clickbait.

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250 million dollars. Let’s link to Marcy Wheeler’s Firebagger blog.

585 Ian G.  May 2, 2014 9:03:37am

re: #581 HappyWarrior

Alan Keyes is still bat-shit insane. Some things just never change.

Given that I’m a white dude in a majority black neighborhood, I’d probably be among the first to go in Obama’s genocide.

…..

Nope, I haven’t noticed the machetes being handed out on my block. I’ll be sure to report on it if I do.

586 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 9:04:17am
587 Ian G.  May 2, 2014 9:04:31am

re: #530 Pie-onist Overlord

God forbid the boomers retire and leave the workforce.

588 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 9:05:06am

re: #585 Ian G.

Given that I’m a white dude in a majority black neighborhood, I’d probably be among the first to go in Obama’s genocide.

…..

Nope, I haven’t noticed the machetes being handed out on my block. I’ll be sure to report on it if I do.

Run!

589 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 9:05:45am

re: #583 Bulworth

Lidane posted:

Typical Obama, always with these great elaborate plans and no follow-through. ///

I always wonder what people who have actually suffered under real tyrannies think of this shit.

590 Bulworth  May 2, 2014 9:06:14am

Pie-zionist Overlord posted:

The debate tonight in Toronto - me &
@alexisohanian
v. Michael Hayden & Alan Dershowitz - will be live-streamed at
@the_intercept
at 7pm EST

Sorry, doing my hair tonight. And I’m bald.

591 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 9:06:27am

re: #587 Ian G.

God forbid the boomers retire and leave the workforce.

Hell, I got a face full of anger over the idea of that back when the stories came out that the ACA was helping people retire earlier from the workforce. “So what if they want to spend time with their family? They’re taking work out of the economy!!!!”

592 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 9:06:28am

re: #587 Ian G.

God forbid the boomers retire and leave the workforce.

RETIREMENT IS FOR LAZY MOOCHERS!!!!! MY GRAMPA WORKED IN THE SALT MINES UNTIL HE DROPPED DEAD OF A HEART ATTACK AT TEH RIPE OLD AGE OF 36!!!11!!!!!!

593 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 9:06:42am

re: #589 HappyWarrior

I always wonder what people who have actually suffered under real tyrannies think of this shit.

“Amateurs.”

594 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 9:07:05am

re: #590 Bulworth

Pie-zionist Overlord posted:

Sorry, doing my hair tonight. And I’m bald.

I have a bartender’s appointment :).

595 b.d.  May 2, 2014 9:07:55am

re: #586 Pie-onist Overlord

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Sock drawer is in major disarray, must fix it, otherwise I wouldn’t miss it

596 William Barnett-Lewis  May 2, 2014 9:07:56am

re: #564 ObserverArt

Just drop in a older Porsche engine and some of those kit cars can kick it pretty good. Who knows…maybe a small roots blower or a turbo added and leave others wondering. At least until you blow the heads off!

: )

I always wanted to get a Triumph Spitfire body, the straight 6 from the Triumph Stag GT, a certain model of Ford 5 speed manual transmission, some suspension upgrades, a roots type supercharger designed for that engine & maybe even a NO2 tank… Not going to happen but it was always the muscle car slayer I always wanted.

597 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 9:08:13am

re: #592 Pie-onist Overlord

RETIREMENT IS FOR LAZY MOOCHERS!!!!! MY GRAMPA WORKED IN THE SALT MINES UNTIL HE DROPPED DEAD OF A HEART ATTACK AT TEH RIPE OLD AGE OF 36!!!11!!!!!!

Yeah, the wingnut ideal is if you can work, then you have no reason to retire. If you’re 86 but can still smile and wave, then you can work as a Wal-Mart greeter. Otherwise you’re a lazy moocher who’s taking money out their pockets.

598 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 9:08:28am

re: #591 Targetpractice

Hell, I got a face full of anger over the idea of that back when the stories came out that the ACA was helping people retire earlier from the workforce. “So what if they want to spend time with their family? They’re taking work out of the economy!!!!”

Wingnuts probably root for Mr. Bumble when they read Oliver Twist.

599 De Kolta Chair  May 2, 2014 9:08:43am

Rarely is the question asked — Is our children learning about Right Wing Jesus?

600 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 9:10:01am

re: #598 HappyWarrior

Wingnuts probably root for Mr. Bumble when they read Oliver Twist.

Average wingnut wouldn’t look out of place as the villain in a Dickens novel.

601 Dr Lizardo  May 2, 2014 9:10:25am

re: #599 De Kolta Chair

Rarely is the question asked — Is our children learning about Jesus?

Is our children in bowling alleys?

Youtube Video

602 b.d.  May 2, 2014 9:12:02am

GLENN IS TOTALLY GOING TO WIN TONIGHT’S DEBATE OVER THOSE DROOLING SYCOPHANTS AND REAL CHANGE WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE OF IT. THIS WILL WAKE UP THE SHEEPLE ONCE AND FOR ALL!!

603 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 9:12:43am

re: #601 Dr Lizardo

Is our children in bowling alleys?

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Video

8 year olds dude.

604 RealityBasedSteve  May 2, 2014 9:13:12am

re: #564 ObserverArt

Just drop in a older Porsche engine and some of those kit cars can kick it pretty good. Who knows…maybe a small roots blower or a turbo added and leave others wondering. At least until you blow the heads off!

: )

MORE POWER!!!.

yea…. I don’t have the time or the energy to do another car project, (except MAYBE a T-Bucket kit with a nice small block chevy), but uni-body cars really killed that industry.

RBS

605 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 9:13:25am

re: #600 Targetpractice

Average wingnut wouldn’t look out of place as the villain in a Dickens novel.

I think he would reject them for being too over the top haha but yeah. I mean these people have little to no regard for their fellow man. It’s actually kind of sad.

606 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 9:14:06am

607 RealityBasedSteve  May 2, 2014 9:15:42am

re: #606 Targetpractice

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And if a “Select” committee isn’t good enough, Perhaps a “Choice” Committee, or throw the budget out the window and go for a “Prime” Committee.

RBS

608 NJDhockeyfan  May 2, 2014 9:16:07am
609 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 9:16:27am

re: #606 Targetpractice

That’s a misuse of the term “Breaking” by the AP, imho.

610 b.d.  May 2, 2014 9:16:51am

re: #608 NJDhockeyfan

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Land Shark v. Putin?
I’m betting on Land Shark.

611 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 9:17:08am

BREAKING: Boehner wasting taxpayers money again.

612 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 9:17:09am

re: #579 Dr Lizardo

Hmmm……..that’s actually a good question.

Where do civilian contractors stand in relation to the Geneva Conventions?

Contractors are civilians. Our army’s Emergency Essential Civilians (EEC) in uniform are ‘mercenaries’ per Soviet-era interpretations. I still don’t get Soldier of Fortune magazine for free, though.

613 ObserverArt  May 2, 2014 9:17:22am

re: #596 William Barnett-Lewis

I always wanted to get a Triumph Spitfire body, the straight 6 from the Triumph Stag GT, a certain model of Ford 5 speed manual transmission, some suspension upgrades, a roots type supercharger designed for that engine & maybe even a NO2 tank… Not going to happen but it was always the muscle car slayer I always wanted.

Since I am a VW nut, I always wanted to take the complete front wheel drive assembly of a either a VW or Audi V6 and move it into the back of a Rabbit/Golf hatchback and keep it as stock looking as possible. Dropped a bit with some good coil-overs, bigger brakes and some nice tires and wheels.

A two-seater, mid-engine hatchback seems completely reasonable to me.

I have been around some guys that have done some pretty creative stuff with VWs. I know a guy that was putting a complete Audi TT all-wheel drive package in a Jetta. It all fits with some fairly easy mods in the underpan. The beauty of VW parts is so many are made to fit in all their cars.

614 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 9:17:39am

re: #607 RealityBasedSteve

The fat(head) content of that committee is going to be too high for it to be prime or choice. Select is a stretch.

615 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 9:18:50am

re: #609 Rev_Arthur_Belling

That’s a misuse of the term “Breaking” by the AP, imho.

Well, not really. I mean, it’s “breaking” in the sense that the Tea Baggers finally broke Boehner’s will and got him to give them the blank check they’ve wanted to go on a fishing expedition that will last right up til Nov 2016.

616 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 9:18:55am

re: #611 HappyWarrior

BREAKING: Boehner wasting taxpayers money again.

Also a misuse of the term Breaking! ;)

617 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 9:19:12am

re: #616 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Also a misuse of the term Breaking! ;)

Ha touche.

618 Lidane  May 2, 2014 9:20:31am

re: #606 Targetpractice

So basically, Congress isn’t going to do anything of any value until at least 2017, and even that’s doubtful. Good to know.

619 ObserverArt  May 2, 2014 9:21:56am

BREAKING: Republicans being obstinate.

…sknxxxxx….snore!

620 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 9:22:10am

re: #567 Targetpractice

At least from the sounds of it, Microsoft is giving users a choice. Mozilla decided it wanted Firefox to look like Chrome and users have no choices if they don’t want to be stuck back at FF28. I’m seriously considering taking my chances and downgrading, because I’ve already had three crashes since yesterday with FF29 and it’s absolutely killing my memory usage.

Yeah, I was unpleasantly surprised by the new Firefox. If I want Chrome, I’ll use Chrome.

621 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 9:22:37am

Looks like the sun is setting in Odessa. Things could get interesting after dark

622 Lidane  May 2, 2014 9:23:40am
623 Gus  May 2, 2014 9:24:09am
624 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 9:24:35am

re: #621 Killgore Trout

Looks like the sun is setting in Odessa. Things could get interesting after dark

Ukraine has launched a military assault on the flashpoint town of Slavyansk, raising the stakes in the showdown with Russia, which has promised “catastrophic consequences” if Kiev stepped up operations

telegraph.co.uk

625 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 9:25:26am

re: #618 Lidane

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So basically, Congress isn’t going to do anything of any value until at least 2017, and even that’s doubtful. Good to know.

Yeah, they’ve wanted so badly to see a select committee because they wanted the power to go digging for dirt under any trash can they could find.

For now begins…The Inquisition!

626 Eventual Carrion  May 2, 2014 9:26:14am

re: #625 Targetpractice

Yeah, they’ve wanted so badly to see a select committee because they wanted the power to go digging for dirt under any trash can they could find.

For now begins…The Inquisition!

I didn’t expect that.

627 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 9:26:16am

re: #623 Gus

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Yep.

628 iossarian  May 2, 2014 9:26:21am

re: #623 Gus

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It’s pandering to the base is what it is.

Does anyone honestly believe that there are significant numbers of swing voters who give a shit about this?

629 Gus  May 2, 2014 9:26:29am

re: #618 Lidane

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So basically, Congress isn’t going to do anything of any value until at least 2017, and even that’s doubtful. Good to know.

630 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 9:26:42am

re: #625 Targetpractice

Yeah, they’ve wanted so badly to see a select committee because they wanted the power to go digging for dirt under any trash can they could find.

For now begins…The Inquisition!

Will Monica testify?

631 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 9:27:32am

re: #629 Gus

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They’re starting with conclusions and looking for the evidence to support them, which is a complete bastardization of the investigative process.

632 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 9:27:45am

re: #630 Decatur Deb

Will Monica testify?

She would have, but she doesn’t have a good dress to wear to the hearings anymore!!
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633 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 9:28:22am

re: #631 Targetpractice

They’re starting with conclusions and looking for the evidence to support them, which is a complete bastardization of the investigative process.

Worked for Torquemada.

634 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 9:29:06am

re: #621 Killgore Trout

Looks like the sun is setting in Odessa. Things could get interesting after dark

Putins upper hand!!

Ukraine and the European Union will hold talks over debts running into billions of dollars that state-run Russian gas firm Gazprom says Kiev owes.

Putin has warned that not paying the bill, which Gazprom estimates at $3.5 billion, could lead to him turning off the taps, which would also affect several European countries.

(same link as above)

635 Dr Lizardo  May 2, 2014 9:29:33am

re: #625 Targetpractice

Yeah, they’ve wanted so badly to see a select committee because they wanted the power to go digging for dirt under any trash can they could find.

For now begins…The Inquisition!

Youtube Video

636 iossarian  May 2, 2014 9:30:20am

So funny that these guys are always whining about the decline of America and then they ensure that US government spends all its time tied up on petty bullshit rather than actually thinking about ways to move forwards in the 21st century.

637 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 9:32:31am

re: #633 Decatur Deb

Worked for Torquemada.

Yeah, it’s spelled “Torquemada,” but it’s pronounced “Darrell Issa.”

638 wrenchwench  May 2, 2014 9:32:48am

re: #626 Eventual Carrion

I didn’t expect that.

Nobody does.

639 Dr. Matt  May 2, 2014 9:33:51am

Obamacare is doing well, the economy is doing well, the GOP had a bad month of PR from its racist constituents….cue: BRING ON BENGHAZI!!!!

640 HoosierHoops  May 2, 2014 9:33:56am

re: #624 sattv4u2

Ukraine has launched a military assault on the flashpoint town of Slavyansk, raising the stakes in the showdown with Russia, which has promised “catastrophic consequences” if Kiev stepped up operations

telegraph.co.uk

I wonder how close an all out war is?

641 Bulworth  May 2, 2014 9:34:34am
GOPer on Benghazi: “I think that we know exactly what happened,” we’re now “getting the proof to prove what happened”

If they get OJ out of prison they can combine their fishing expedition with the former footballer’s search for the “real killer”.

642 iossarian  May 2, 2014 9:35:20am

re: #638 wrenchwench

Nobody does.

Chuck Norris expects the Spanish Inquisition.

643 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 9:37:45am

644 Flounder  May 2, 2014 9:38:07am

re: #642 iossarian

MC Hammer was dissapointed when he found out that Chuck Norris could touch this.

645 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 9:38:07am

re: #639 Dr. Matt

Obamacare is doing well, the economy is doing well, the GOP had a bad month of PR from its racist constituents….cue: BRING ON BENGHAZI!!!!

Yep, distract and repeat.

646 Flounder  May 2, 2014 9:38:24am

Chuck Norris ordered a Big Mac at Burger King, and got one.

647 Flounder  May 2, 2014 9:38:38am

If Chuck Norris roundhouse kicks you, even Google won’t be able to find you.

648 Flounder  May 2, 2014 9:39:32am

They once made a Chuck Norris toilet paper, but there was a problem: It wouldn’t take shit from anybody.

649 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 9:40:20am

re: #640 HoosierHoops

I wonder how close an all out war is?

FTA, theres a meeting tonight with the Ukraine, the EU and Russia regarding the monies owed for the gas delivered.

I have a feeling (based on nothing but my gut) that there will be an agreement sometime soon that a portion of the Eastern Ukraine will be handed over to Russia for “security” purposes

650 Flounder  May 2, 2014 9:41:37am

re: #642 iossarian
and finally:
Youtube Video

651 darthstar  May 2, 2014 9:42:05am

re: #540 Skip Intro

Is that real?

Apparently, it wasn’t real. Feh.

653 Dr. Matt  May 2, 2014 9:42:49am

Don’t these fucking losers have jobs? They have been playing [wannabe] soldier for weeks now. Who the hell is supporting them?????

654 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 9:43:12am

Well folks, I mean we should celebrate. The GOP is finally, after all this time, going to REALLY look into what happened in Benghazi, more specifically what happened at the White House in the hours between Romney violating the 9/11 24-hr moratorium on campaign statements and the Sunday talk shows.

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655 Dr Lizardo  May 2, 2014 9:43:38am

re: #653 Dr. Matt

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Don’t these fucking losers have jobs? They have been playing [wannabe] soldier for weeks now. Who the hell is supporting them?????

That’s a good question. I haven’t come across an answer to that one yet.

656 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 9:43:42am

re: #653 Dr. Matt

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Don’t these fucking losers have jobs? They have been playing [wannabe] soldier for weeks now. Who the hell is supporting them?????

HURR HURR!!!!! SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS JRRB CREEYATERZ!!!!!!!

657 iossarian  May 2, 2014 9:43:44am

Please proceed, GOP.

658 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 9:43:49am

re: #651 darthstar

Apparently, it wasn’t real. Feh.

Damn Poe.

659 Charles Johnson  May 2, 2014 9:44:31am
660 darthstar  May 2, 2014 9:44:52am

re: #653 Dr. Matt

661 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 9:44:56am

What better way to spend the rest of this election year than spending every waking hour obsessing over the way you failed to win the last election year?

662 jaunte  May 2, 2014 9:45:02am

663 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 9:46:26am
664 jaunte  May 2, 2014 9:46:36am
665 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 9:48:37am

re: #664 jaunte

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I remember how it took the GOP majority a year to finally give into demands from the families and run a single investigation into 9/11, only for the final result to be a whitewashed campaign document where they dropped all the blame on the CIA and absolved the White House of any wrong-doing.

666 Lidane  May 2, 2014 9:49:00am

re: #653 Dr. Matt

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Don’t these fucking losers have jobs? They have been playing [wannabe] soldier for weeks now. Who the hell is supporting them?????

They’re fleecing the rubes to pay for all this shit. Didn’t someone post about how they raised over $40K for Bundy Ranch and only cut the Bundy family a $12K check?

667 Bulworth  May 2, 2014 9:49:36am

Pie-zionist Overlord posted:

These militia guys hanging out at
#BundyRanch
3 weeks, don’t any of them have jobs?

There patriots fighting our dually elected government and its laws they don’t need jobz shutup you!!1

668 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 9:49:37am

re: #618 Lidane

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So basically, Congress isn’t going to do anything of any value until at least 2017, and even that’s doubtful. Good to know.

No, but they’ll start wasting time on something else.

If they take over the Senate, they’ll switch from Benghazi to Impeachment.

Guaranteed.

669 jaunte  May 2, 2014 9:50:52am

Party of fiscal responsibility.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Congress’ multiple investigations of the deadly 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, have cost the Pentagon millions of dollars and thousands of hours of personnel time, according to the department.

In a March 11 letter, the Pentagon outlined its cooperation with six investigations of the Sept. 11 assault that killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens, and its response to repetitive requests for information from about 50 congressional hearings, briefings and interviews.
bigstory.ap.org

670 Lidane  May 2, 2014 9:51:02am
671 Gus  May 2, 2014 9:51:23am
672 Bulworth  May 2, 2014 9:51:49am

Lidane posted:

Fox News cuts away from Obama presser and says it won’t go back until someone asks a question about Benghazi.

Don’t let the doorknob hit you on the way out….

673 Lidane  May 2, 2014 9:52:34am

re: #668 Skip Intro

No, but they’ll start wasting time on something else.

If they take over the Senate, they’ll switch from Benghazi to Impeachment.

Guaranteed.

I’m convinced that if Hillary Clinton runs and wins, they’d find a way to remove her from office in the first year and just install whoever the GOP nominee was instead. They really are that shameless.

674 Stanley Sea  May 2, 2014 9:52:46am

For all the contractors out there

675 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 9:53:01am

re: #670 Lidane

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I really wish that, one of these days, the White House would eject Faux News from the press pool and relegate them to the kiddie table with the rest of the tabloid journalists.

676 b.d.  May 2, 2014 9:53:29am

The Japanese Are Fat-Shaming the New Godzilla

But in Japan, fans of the original film aren’t exactly thrilled with the look of the new Godzilla. In fact, some fans are down-right annoyed with how fat the monster appears in the American trailer. “When I finally saw it, I was a bit taken aback,” Godzilla fan Fumihiko super-fan Abe told the AFP at a Tokyo exhibition of paintings of the monster. “It’s fat from the neck downwards and massive at the bottom.”

time.com

SCREW YOU JAPAN WITH YOUR SCRAWNY ASS GODZILLAS!!!!!

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677 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 9:53:39am
678 lawhawk  May 2, 2014 9:54:45am

re: #633 Decatur Deb

Worked for Torquemada.

You can’t torqu em’outta’ anything.

679 ericblair  May 2, 2014 9:54:50am

re: #574 Dr Lizardo

Isn’t being without insignia a violation of the Geneva Convention, thereby leaving that Russian soldier liable to summary execution?

Or am I thinking in mufti?

I think we’ll need a lawyer for this one. I’ve read over the relevant parts of the Geneva Conventions: if you consider Russia a “party to the conflict”, then yes, they’d be covered under the GC as armed forces allegiant to the government. However, if you don’t, there could be a problem as they don’t have a fixed distinctive sign, and/or you consider what they’re doing espionage or sabotage.

Anyways, you’re supposed to err on the side of giving them GC rights and would probably need a tribunal to decide unless this situation is cut and dried historically.

680 Bulworth  May 2, 2014 9:54:54am

“Fox News cuts away from Obama presser and says it won’t go back until someone asks a question about Benghazi.”

Because the only important going on in America and the world is Benghazi. //

681 HoosierHoops  May 2, 2014 9:56:38am

re: #663 Pie-onist Overlord

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I don’t get this story.. I’d send in the damn Army, arrest everybody and take the cattle and sell them…Problem resolved

682 Flounder  May 2, 2014 9:57:18am

re: #674 Stanley Sea

20% Guaranteed!!!

683 leftynyc  May 2, 2014 9:57:20am

re: #219 Dark_Falcon

That’s a result of moonbats learning the hard way that targeting cops normally doesn’t end well. Police tend to react to being attacked by applying nightsticks or Mace to those attacking them.

Funny - that didn’t happen when it was a white deadbeat ranch owner who had his so called militia behind him.

684 danarchy  May 2, 2014 9:58:05am

re: #681 HoosierHoops

I don’t get this story.. I’d send in the damn Army, arrest everybody and take the cattle and sell them…Problem resolved

Posse Comitatus…swat teams are an option though

685 Varek Raith  May 2, 2014 9:58:14am

Vox Misleads On Keystone XL In GE-Sponsored Video

While the voiceover states that building the pipeline would “create thousands of temporary construction jobs,” the number on the screen shows 42,000 temporary jobs, suggesting that all 42,000 jobs will be in construction. But the State Department report actually projects only 3,900 temporary construction jobs if construction took one year or 1,950 jobs if construction took two years. The 42,000 figure includes tens of thousands of indirect jobs in everything from food service to finance that the State Department estimates will be supported by Keystone XL’s construction. The State Department estimates an outcome of only 35 permanent jobs would result from construction of the pipeline.
…
The video also repeats the State Department’s claim that the Keystone XL won’t greatly impact climate change because “most of the oil would just get shipped by rail anyway,” offering only that “green groups are disputing that analysis” as a rebuttal. But it’s not just green groups — reports from Reuters (largely ignored by the media) have found that the State Department’s projections on rail transport were way off, undermining the Department’s climate change claims.

686 Bubblehead II  May 2, 2014 9:59:01am

re: #684 danarchy

Posse Comitatus…swat teams are an option though

As is the National Guard.

687 Gus  May 2, 2014 10:00:31am
688 lawhawk  May 2, 2014 10:00:36am
689 b_sharp  May 2, 2014 10:01:07am

re: #647 Flounder

If Chuck Norris roundhouse kicks you, even Google won’t be able to find you.

If Chuck Norris roundhouse kicks you he’ll throw a hip and need traction for weeks.

690 The War TARDIS  May 2, 2014 10:01:31am

re: #684 danarchy

Posse Comitatus, a law that needs to be repealed.

691 Gus  May 2, 2014 10:01:35am
692 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 10:02:29am

re: #691 Gus

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That’s putting it mildly.

693 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 10:02:45am

I just can’t get into this Chuck Norris meme. Linda Hunt is WAY MORE BADASS than Chuck Norris.

694 The War TARDIS  May 2, 2014 10:03:07am

re: #693 Pie-onist Overlord

Or Bruce Lee!

695 Gus  May 2, 2014 10:03:17am

re: #692 Targetpractice

That’s putting it mildly.

696 Flounder  May 2, 2014 10:03:36am

re: #694 The War TARDIS

or the Dr.

697 ericblair  May 2, 2014 10:03:44am

re: #681 HoosierHoops

I don’t get this story.. I’d send in the damn Army, arrest everybody and take the cattle and sell them…Problem resolved

Unless there are nonbelligerents in there in direct danger, better to wait them out and pick them off one by one. There’s no real rush, and you might get them fighting openly among themselves in a couple of days.

698 Varek Raith  May 2, 2014 10:03:57am

re: #696 Flounder

or the Dr.

Or me.

699 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 10:04:01am

re: #694 The War TARDIS

Or Bruce Lee!

Linda Hunt could so kick Bruce Lee’s ass right after kicking Chuck Norris’s ass.

700 b_sharp  May 2, 2014 10:04:38am

re: #684 danarchy

Posse Comitatus…swat teams are an option though

Just send in the county sheriff.

701 Kilroy01  May 2, 2014 10:05:04am

re: #676 b.d.

The Japanese Are Fat-Shaming the New Godzilla

Wow.. I mean wow.

702 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 10:07:35am

re: #695 Gus

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They could start with the recent study showing at least 1 in 25 on death row are innocent of the crimes for which they were convicted. If that’s not troubling to supporters of capital punishment, then I doubt the manner in which they are conducted really matters. You’ve condemned a man to die, you’re just arguing now over how connected you want to be to the process.

703 Gus  May 2, 2014 10:08:00am
704 Gus  May 2, 2014 10:08:21am

You might remember him.

705 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 10:08:39am

re: #693 Pie-onist Overlord

I just can’t get into this Chuck Norris meme. Linda Hunt is WAY MORE BADASS than Chuck Norris.

Or Linda Blair

Nothing badder ass than being able to spin your own head around 360 degrees!!

706 lawhawk  May 2, 2014 10:09:04am

re: #693 Pie-onist Overlord

I just can’t get into this Chuck Norris meme. Linda Hunt is WAY MORE BADASS than Chuck Norris.

The Norris meme has been around for years. At one point it was even vaguely relevant (and remember that Norris was the bad guy who lost to Bruce Lee - badly).

But for ultimate badassery?

Julia Child and Dr. Ruth Westheimer are both more bad ass than anything either Norris or Hunt ever did.

Child worked for the OSS and Westheimer, before becoming a sex expert, was a sniper for Israel before being seriously injured by cannon fire.

707 Lidane  May 2, 2014 10:09:52am

re: #681 HoosierHoops

I don’t get this story.. I’d send in the damn Army, arrest everybody and take the cattle and sell them…Problem resolved

Yeah, but doing that would just make Bundy a martyr and further embolden the nutjobs.

Think about all the hysteria that the RWNJs have been whipping up since 2008 about Obama taking their guns, the government stocking up on ammo, white genocide, and Real Muricans being rounded up and sent to the gulags. Now have POTUS order the National Guard or the Army to take out the militias at Bundy Ranch. What do you think would happen?

If anything happens here, it has to be done locally or by the state of Nevada. If the feds do it, the RWNJs will flip their shit even more and it could get even more dangerous out there.

708 Gus  May 2, 2014 10:11:09am

Uh oh. NY Times is in for a whipping…

709 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 10:11:22am

re: #707 Lidane

Yeah, but doing that would just make Bundy a martyr and further embolden the nutjobs.

Think about all the hysteria that the RWNJs have been whipping up since 2008 about Obama taking their guns, the government stocking up on ammo, white genocide, and Real Muricans being rounded up and sent to the gulags. Now have POTUS order the National Guard or the Army to take out the militias at Bundy Ranch. What do you think would happen?

If anything happens here, it has to be done locally or by the state of Nevada. If the feds do it, the RWNJs will flip their shit even more and it could get even more dangerous out there.

Thing is, from the sounds coming from the Clark County Sheriff’s office, they either A) are not overly worried about the militia nuts running around armed or B) are scared if they take any action to actually enforce law & order, the nuts will turn those guns on them.

710 Lidane  May 2, 2014 10:12:10am

re: #690 The War TARDIS

Posse Comitatus, a law that needs to be repealed.

Is it even a law anymore? It was passed by the Southern states during Reconstruction but I don’t know how much, if any, relevance it still has in the law today.

These days it’s more of an excuse for white supremacist nutbars to pretend they’re law enforcement officers.

711 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 10:12:10am

re: #673 Lidane

I’m convinced that if Hillary Clinton runs and wins, they’d find a way to remove her from office in the first year and just install whoever the GOP nominee was instead. They really are that shameless.

WE MUST GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE WHITEWATER SCANDAL!!!!!!!

712 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 10:12:40am

Oh, and if you’re looking for action from the state of Nevada, it should help to remember that the governor of the state took Bundy’s side and at one time was heard to threaten mobilizing the state’s National Guard to order the BLM out at gunpoint.

713 Gus  May 2, 2014 10:13:31am
714 The Ghost of a Flea  May 2, 2014 10:14:25am

Bruce Lee existed.

All statements about Chuck Norris being cool are invalidated.

715 Lidane  May 2, 2014 10:15:08am

re: #709 Targetpractice

Thing is, from the sounds coming from the Clark County Sheriff’s office, they either A) are not overly worried about the militia nuts running around armed or B) are scared if they take any action to actually enforce law & order, the nuts will turn those guns on them.

If it’s A, then everyone in Clark County outside of Bundy Ranch is fucked since these yahoos are even conducting armed roadside checkpoints.

If it’s B, then the state of Nevada should send in SWAT teams and/or the state Guard to back up the country officers and end this shit already.

716 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 10:15:19am

re: #710 Lidane

Is it even a law anymore? It was passed by the Southern states during Reconstruction but I don’t know how much, if any, relevance it still has in the law today.

These days it’s more of an excuse for white supremacist nutbars to pretend they’re law enforcement officers.

In 2011, U.S. President Barack Obama signed National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 into law. Section 1021, clause “b”, article 2 defines a ‘covered person’, i.e., someone possibly subject to martial law, as the following: “A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.”
en.wikipedia.org

Da Googles ,,,, howz doz they werks !?!?!

/

717 Gus  May 2, 2014 10:16:02am
718 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 10:16:40am

re: #713 Gus

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What the fuck is up with landslides? I think we’ve heard of at least four or five since this year began.

719 Lidane  May 2, 2014 10:16:47am

re: #716 sattv4u2

What does any of that have to do with Posse Comitatus? I’m asking if the same law that created Posse Comitatus is still relevant or even on the books anymore.

720 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 10:17:17am
721 Varek Raith  May 2, 2014 10:17:33am

re: #715 Lidane

If it’s A, then everyone in Clark County outside of Bundy Ranch is fucked since these yahoos are even conducting armed roadside checkpoints.

If it’s B, then the state of Nevada should send in SWAT teams and/or the state Guard to back up the country officers and end this shit already.

What in the fuck…

722 Gus  May 2, 2014 10:18:08am

re: #718 Targetpractice

What the fuck is up with landslides? I think we’ve heard of at least four or five since this year began.

Landslides and train derailments.

723 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 10:18:24am

re: #719 Lidane

What does any of that have to do with Posse Comitatus?

It’s under the “Recent legislative events” tab for Posse Comitatus (additions,, amendments,,,, changes)

724 Lidane  May 2, 2014 10:18:53am

re: #721 Varek Raith

What in the fuck…

Yeah. They’re doing armed roadside checkpoints now.

I’m trying to think of what other armed militants use armed roadside checkpoints, but I’m drawing a blank. ///

725 Gus  May 2, 2014 10:19:01am

re: #718 Targetpractice

What the fuck is up with landslides? I think we’ve heard of at least four or five since this year began.

Rain. Lots of it. Don’t want to say climate change. I suppose there could be something there.

726 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 10:19:01am
727 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 10:20:15am

re: #718 Targetpractice

What the fuck is up with landslides? I think we’ve heard of at least four or five since this year began.

re: #722 Gus

Landslides and train derailments.

Cyclical

Theres a shark attack, all of a sudden three are reported a week
Theres a high speed LA highway car chase ,,,, three more in the next several days
A little kid stuck in a well ,, three more blah blah blah

728 RealityBasedSteve  May 2, 2014 10:20:58am

re: #706 lawhawk

The Norris meme has been around for years. At one point it was even vaguely relevant (and remember that Norris was the bad guy who lost to Bruce Lee - badly).

But for ultimate badassery?

Julia Child and Dr. Ruth Westheimer are both more bad ass than anything either Norris or Hunt ever did.

Child worked for the OSS and Westheimer, before becoming a sex expert, was a sniper for Israel before being seriously injured by cannon fire.

For a long time I didn’t believe that Dr. Ruth was a real person. I thought she was just a Muppet that talked dirty.

RBS

729 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 10:21:27am

locusts

locusts will be next I predict

In Manhattan!!!!!

730 Flounder  May 2, 2014 10:22:01am

re: #725 Gus

It is part of the wired world, if a Yeti farts in the Himalayas, we will see the tweet before the Yeti hears the echo.

731 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 10:22:07am

re: #724 Lidane

Yeah. They’re doing armed roadside checkpoints now.

I’m trying to think of what other armed militants use armed roadside checkpoints, but I’m drawing a blank. ///

Yeah, it’s not just on roads in Bunkerville, but also on the interstate running through there. They want you to produce ID when they stop you to prove that you live in Bunkerville and/or have reason to be there that’s not connected with the federal government.

And the Sheriff’s office and the state government are allowing this because those that don’t support Bundy are scared shitless of a firefight breaking out if they try to enforce the law.

732 Varek Raith  May 2, 2014 10:22:49am

re: #731 Targetpractice

Yeah, it’s not just on roads in Bunkerville, but also on the interstate running through there. They want you to produce ID when they stop you to prove that you live in Bunkerville and/or have reason to be there that’s not connected with the federal government.

And the Sheriff’s office and the state government are allowing this because those that don’t support Bundy are scared shitless of a firefight breaking out if they try to enforce the law.

Send them to Gitmo.
Shitheads.

733 Lidane  May 2, 2014 10:23:25am

re: #723 sattv4u2

So basically, local law enforcement and the National Guard aren’t bound by it?

Fantastic. The state should send them in and tell these wannabe soldiers to go home already.

734 Ian G.  May 2, 2014 10:24:34am

That’s gonna leave a mark.

I know, I know, ripping center-right hacks like Noonan is fish-in-a-barrell, but it’s a fun read nonetheless. And Kudos to Sullivan, observant Catholic that he is, for pointing out what so many want to ignore: that JPII was just as bad as Benedict when it came to covering up child rape, and enforcing far-right orthodoxy in the Church.

735 blueraven  May 2, 2014 10:24:44am

re: #717 Gus

Horrible. The remote location and hostile terrain make it highly unlikely that any significant rescue operation will be possible.

736 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 10:26:47am

The militia nutters have basically turned the Bundy ranch into an armed camp and are now treating Bunkerville like their own little private Fallujah.

737 Lidane  May 2, 2014 10:27:30am

re: #731 Targetpractice

Yeah, it’s not just on roads in Bunkerville, but also on the interstate running through there. They want you to produce ID when they stop you to prove that you live in Bunkerville and/or have reason to be there that’s not connected with the federal government.

And the Sheriff’s office and the state government are allowing this because those that don’t support Bundy are scared shitless of a firefight breaking out if they try to enforce the law.

Yeah, if someone stopped me like that, I’d demand to see their badge and proof of their authority before I hand over any ID. I’m still an American and have rights. I’m not obligated to give some yahoo with a gun my ID because he’s playing soldier.

What’s he going to do? Shoot me? That would be a reason for the government to intervene and these fanatics don’t want that. They just want to wave their guns around as long as there are no consequences.

738 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 10:29:33am

re: #737 Lidane

Yeah, if someone stopped me like that, I’d demand to see their badge and proof of their authority before I hand over any ID. I’m still an American and have rights. I’m not obligated to give some yahoo with a gun my ID because he’s playing soldier.

What’s he going to do? Shoot me? That would be a reason for the government to intervene and these fanatics don’t want that. They just want to wave their guns around as long as there are no consequences.

Yeah, but like the very sheep they claim everybody to be, the locals either are too scared of the guy walking around in fatigues and body armor while waving a gun to resist, too jaded to feel more than inconvenienced, or support this shit and are willingly going along with it.

739 Eventual Carrion  May 2, 2014 10:29:49am

re: #731 Targetpractice

Yeah, it’s not just on roads in Bunkerville, but also on the interstate running through there. They want you to produce ID when they stop you to prove that you live in Bunkerville and/or have reason to be there that’s not connected with the federal government.

And the Sheriff’s office and the state government are allowing this because those that don’t support Bundy are scared shitless of a firefight breaking out if they try to enforce the law.

So they are getting their way by instilling terror in the populous? Is there a word for that tactic?

740 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 10:30:22am

re: #739 Eventual Carrion

So they are getting their way by instilling terror in the populous? Is there a word for that tactic?

Now now, we dare not speak that word in connection with these people. The proper word is “patriot.”

////

741 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 10:30:50am

re: #739 Eventual Carrion

So they are getting their way by instilling terror in the populous? Is there a word for that tactic?

They appear to have the complete support of the Nevada state government.

742 Varek Raith  May 2, 2014 10:31:17am

If this were an Al Qaeda check point in America…

Seriously, this is complete bullshit. Arrest the fuckers.

743 Gus  May 2, 2014 10:32:19am
744 lawhawk  May 2, 2014 10:32:57am

re: #722 Gus

Landslides and train derailments.

Preparing the world for the existing of kaiju. Godzilla movies were simply emergency preparedness alert movies. The nuclear “tests” in the Pacific were actually attempts to destroy the kaiju. They failed, and now we’re going to reap what they’ve sown. ///

745 Sionainn  May 2, 2014 10:34:26am

This guy has been live-tweeting from the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department. Link

746 CriticalDragon1177  May 2, 2014 10:59:43am

Creationist Cat was thrilled by this new film guys! It looks like “A Matter of Faith” may actually get the attention it deserves.

747 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 2, 2014 12:33:43pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

We’re oppressed like the slaves were but slavery wasn’t so bad!

Not enough updings for that!


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