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freetoken May 2, 2014 4:08:00pm |
This is going to be painful.
And I have no chocolate in the house to help me.
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freetoken May 2, 2014 4:08:58pm |
Who decided that Greenwald is the right person to be at such “debate”?
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Bubblehead II May 2, 2014 4:12:56pm |
re: #1 freetoken
This is going to be painful.
And I have no chocolate in the house to help me.
That’s why I bought beer.
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freetoken May 2, 2014 4:13:53pm |
This is trying to legitimize Greenwald just by having him on stage.
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Mattand May 2, 2014 4:13:57pm |
re: #4 wrenchwench
I just hit my thumb with a hammer. I’m ready.
Your Hammer Time will, without a doubt, be the less irritating of the two experiences.
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Bubblehead II May 2, 2014 4:14:00pm |
Big Thinkers? GG? OFFS. This is going to be painful.
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 4:14:36pm |
And in this corner, El Tremendo Greenwald de Copacabana!
/ht Gus
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Mattand May 2, 2014 4:14:57pm |
BTW, what does Dershowitz gain from this? Other than a massive migraine and countless dudebro death threats?
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Gus May 2, 2014 4:15:19pm |
re: #10 Charles Johnson
And in this corner, El Tremendo Greenwald de Copacabana!
/ht Gus
Inspired by DD. :D So the “Copacabana” part is his.
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Targetpractice May 2, 2014 4:15:36pm |
Hmm, watch Glenn Greenwald debate…or slam my dick in a drawer. Tough decision.
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freetoken May 2, 2014 4:16:18pm |
“Most famous journalist of his generation”
GG’s head is now the size of the Moon.
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Mattand May 2, 2014 4:17:19pm |
re: #10 Charles Johnson
And in this corner, El Tremendo Greenwald de Copacabana!
/ht Gus
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Mattand May 2, 2014 4:17:49pm |
re: #13 Targetpractice
Hmm, watch Glenn Greenwald debate…or slam my dick in a drawer. Tough decision.
Is it a nice drawer?
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 4:17:49pm |
Oh good, they have timers, so Greenwald can't just rant over everyone.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 2, 2014
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Skip Intro May 2, 2014 4:17:55pm |
I wonder why I don’t care what they’re debating. I’m just intellectually lazy, I suppose.
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Gus May 2, 2014 4:17:59pm |
Who’s the genius that decided to use a white font over a bright yellow background?
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 4:19:23pm |
Hayden starts off with Greenwald's “pernicious human beings” quote. Boom!— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 2, 2014
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Rev_Arthur_Belling May 2, 2014 4:26:08pm |
DELETED BECAUSE I WAS UNSURE WHO WAS SPEAKING.
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 4:26:14pm |
The sound on this live stream is awful. I keep hearing someone typing every once in a while. Sounds like he’s a holding a mic up to a computer speaker.
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jaunte May 2, 2014 4:26:34pm |
re: #25 Gus
“…Alexis Ohanian (born April 24, 1983) is an American internet entrepreneur, activist and investor based in the Brooklyn borough of New York City, best known for co-founding the social news website reddit, helping launch travel search website Hipmunk, and starting social enterprise Breadpig.”
en.wikipedia.org
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 4:26:39pm |
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RealityBasedSteve May 2, 2014 4:27:26pm |
I’d watch it, but my tablet will let me watch, or follow the thread, but not both. This is better, and I’m sure it will be archived someplace.
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 4:27:53pm |
Why am I supposed to hate Michael Hayden again? I forgot what the hit on him was supposed to be.
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klys May 2, 2014 4:27:54pm |
re: #30 RealityBasedSteve
I’d watch it, but my tablet will let me watch, or follow the thread, but not both. This is better, and I’m sure it will be archived someplace.
I’m pretty sure there’s no good reason to watch it. Ever.
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Pie-onist Overlord May 2, 2014 4:28:02pm |
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Bubblehead II May 2, 2014 4:29:48pm |
Well if you watched the earlier pre-debate interviews that I linked to, these talking points are no surprise
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 4:29:50pm |
Doesn’t whoever’s running the audio hear that clipping and distortion? VERY ANNOYING.
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Gus May 2, 2014 4:30:21pm |
Just a generalized speech. He makes a lot of conclusions but doesn’t provide any evidence.
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freetoken May 2, 2014 4:30:48pm |
re: #35 Charles Johnson
That’s just the NSA fiddling with the audio and changing it in real time.
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Pie-onist Overlord May 2, 2014 4:30:55pm |
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG HERE?
#MomsDemand Guns: tell her how many rounds she needs #gunsense #Everytown #SGP #PJNET #tcot #tgdn #2A #NRA #ccot pic.twitter.com/QycEhfWh0w— Matt MacBradaigh (@MattMacBradaigh) April 29, 2014
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 4:31:19pm |
When I hear someone use the term “surveillance state” I know I’m listening to a bullshit artist.
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Gus May 2, 2014 4:31:57pm |
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 4:34:28pm |
Dershowitz calls out Greenwald for his insinuations about secret dark motives.
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Jymn May 2, 2014 4:34:39pm |
As we slowly watch Charles Johnston returns to his right-wing roots.
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EPR-radar May 2, 2014 4:35:11pm |
re: #39 Pie-onist Overlord
“Education defeats propaganda” as part of gun nut propaganda.
Irony rises briefly from its grave, only to die again in a few seconds.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling May 2, 2014 4:36:07pm |
Is that mic hanging from Dershowitz’ glasses? Don’t think I’ve ever seen that before.
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Bubblehead II May 2, 2014 4:36:40pm |
re: #44 Jymn
As we slowly watch Charles Johnston returns to his right-wing roots.
Karma: 18
Jymn
(Logged in)
Registered since: Jul 24, 2010 at 8:31 am
No. of comments posted: 8
No. of Pages posted: 0
I smell a troll.
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freetoken May 2, 2014 4:36:45pm |
re: #47 Rev_Arthur_Belling
No, it just looks like it at certain angles.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling May 2, 2014 4:37:50pm |
re: #50 freetoken
Yeah, the quality of the livestream, combined with the lighting, I guess. Might actually be a good idea, now that I think about it, for someone who wears glasses.
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 4:37:52pm |
.@bobcesca_go He also used the term “surveillance state,” instant sign of unseriousness.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 2, 2014
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GeneJockey May 2, 2014 4:38:15pm |
re: #39 Pie-onist Overlord
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG HERE?
[Embedded content]
What in hell is she protecting them FROM, that’s what I want to know! Fer chrissakes, soldiers in WWII made do with 8-round clips for the M1, and 7-round magazines for the 1911.
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jaunte May 2, 2014 4:39:07pm |
First, know who the terrorists are, and then surveil them. Good plan.
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 4:39:09pm |
Took Greenwald two sentences to get sarcastic.
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RealityBasedSteve May 2, 2014 4:39:22pm |
OK, the aircraft has arrived, the new crew for it should be here in a bit, should finally get out of here soon.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling May 2, 2014 4:39:31pm |
Personally, I don’t really like that style of mic. It looks stupid. If you’re going to do that, just go with a lapel lav mic.
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GeneJockey May 2, 2014 4:39:45pm |
re: #44 Jymn
As we slowly watch Charles Johnston returns to his right-wing roots.
And here I thought the Right Wing was anti-surveillance, what with a black guy in the WH and all.
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Romantic Heretic May 2, 2014 4:40:43pm |
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Pie-onist Overlord May 2, 2014 4:42:29pm |
re: #55 Charles Johnson
Took Greenwald two sentences to get sarcastic.
That’s remarkable self control.
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Bubblehead II May 2, 2014 4:43:25pm |
And this is something new Glenn? U.S Government has being doing for years. Hoover was doing it before computers. The USP is still doing it.
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jaunte May 2, 2014 4:44:03pm |
Greenwald disparaging emotionally loaded language. Hah.
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Shiplord Kirel May 2, 2014 4:44:03pm |
re: #53 GeneJockey
What in hell is she protecting them FROM, that’s what I want to know! Fer chrissakes, soldiers in WWII made do with 8-round clips for the M1, and 7-round magazines for the 1911.
But they weren’t being attacked by mindless, zombie-like hordes of loot-crazed “others” who are apparently expected to keep coming unless you shoot the entire horde. Okay, there were those banzai charges in the Pacific but GIs had grenades, machine guns and flamethrowers to help with those, something the evil liberals deny this defenseless mom and her precious children.
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freetoken May 2, 2014 4:44:09pm |
I see the full dudebro slate of issues is on the board.
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 4:44:26pm |
Greenwald: “The US erected a torture regime.”— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 2, 2014
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Bear May 2, 2014 4:45:06pm |
re: #53 GeneJockey
But most of the other nation’s rifles were 5 round magazines. Then there was the BAR with 20 round magazine, sub machine guns with magazines much larger than 5 round capacity. And oh yes the 30 cal us carbine with 15 round magazines.
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 4:49:45pm |
Greenwald obviously has a fan club in the audience.
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goddamnedfrank May 2, 2014 4:49:53pm |
re: #53 GeneJockey
What in hell is she protecting them FROM, that’s what I want to know! Fer chrissakes, soldiers in WWII made do with 8-round clips for the M1, and 7-round magazines for the 1911.
They also had twenty round stick mags and fifty round drum mags for the Thompson, twenty round mags for the BAR, belt fed .30 & .50 cal heavy machine guns, flame throwers, bazookas, hand grenades, artillery support, naval bombardment, tanks and air cover, among other things.
While I think the picture with the gun mom is fucking retarded, you’re not exactly making a flushed out argument here.
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Shiplord Kirel May 2, 2014 4:54:05pm |
re: #44 Jymn
As we slowly watch Charles Johnston returns to his right-wing roots.
You can tell any lie you like, but the right wing is nearly unanimous in its support of Greenwald and the complete destruction of US surveillance capability.
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GeneJockey May 2, 2014 4:54:59pm |
re: #69 Bear
But most of the other nation’s rifles were 5 round magazines. Then there was the BAR with 20 round magazine, sub machine guns with magazines much larger than 5 round capacity. And oh yes the 30 cal us carbine with 15 round magazines.
re: #72 goddamnedfrank
They also had twenty round stick mags and fifty round drum mags for the Thompson, twenty round mags for the BAR, belt fed .30 & .50 cal heavy machine guns, flame throwers, bazookas, hand grenades, artillery support, naval bombardment, tanks and air cover, among other things.
While I think the picture with the gun mom is fucking retarded, you’re not exactly making a flushed out argument here.
FLESHED OUT argument, Frank. Flushed out argument would be a WHOLE ‘nother thing.
The point is most GIs weren’t carrying bullet hoses. They were carrying 8-round clips. And they were fighting a WAR against a lot of really well armed, trained folks. So, what is she defending AGAINST that she needs more bullets before reloading than our fathers and grandfathers needed to win WWII?
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EPR-radar May 2, 2014 4:55:10pm |
re: #76 Shiplord Kirel
You can tell any lie you like, but the right wing is nearly unanimous in its support of Greenwald and the complete destruction of US surveillance capability.
Unless/until there is a Republican president, of course.
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goddamnedfrank May 2, 2014 4:55:31pm |
re: #69 Bear
But most of the other nation’s rifles were 5 round magazines. Then there was the BAR with 20 round magazine, sub machine guns with magazines much larger than 5 round capacity. And oh yes the 30 cal us carbine with 15 round magazines.
The Soviets cranked out so many 35 to 71 round PPSh sub machine guns that entire divisions were outfitted with them near the end of the war. Their urban / close quarters combat effectiveness would have been terrifying.
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Pie-onist Overlord May 2, 2014 4:55:46pm |
re: #77 GeneJockey
FLESHED OUT argument, Frank. Flushed out argument would be a WHOLE ‘nother thing.
The point is most GIs weren’t carrying bullet hoses. They were carrying 8-round clips. And they were fighting a WAR against a lot of really well armed, trained folks. So, what is she defending AGAINST that she needs more bullets before reloading than our fathers and grandfathers needed to win WWII?
ZOMBIES!!!!
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CuriousLurker May 2, 2014 4:56:25pm |
re: #48 Charles Johnson
Who in the hell are you? One day you’re portrayed as a kool aid drinking, Israel-hating moonbat, and the next you’re a freedom hating, knuckle-dragging wingnut. Nuance & shades of gray are way too difficult, so please stop trying to be reasonable just pick a damned extremity already, will ya? Sheesh.
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wrenchwench May 2, 2014 4:57:13pm |
Has Alexis said HOW surveillance has made us LESS SAFE?
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GeneJockey May 2, 2014 4:57:32pm |
re: #81 Pie-onist Overlord
ZOMBIES!!!!
Gotta be.
Or shambling hordes of Those People, with their low slung pants preventing them from moving quickly as they hold their guns sideways…
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GeneJockey May 2, 2014 4:58:31pm |
re: #82 CuriousLurker
Who in the hell are you? One day you’re portrayed as a kool aid drinking, Israel-hating, moonbat, and the next you’re a freedom hating, knuckle-dragging wingnut. Nuance & shades of gray are way too difficult, so please stop trying to be reasonable just pick a damned extremity already, will ya? Sheesh.
Man, it’s almost like he thinks independently or something. The nerve of some people, I tells ya!
//
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Stanley Sea May 2, 2014 4:58:57pm |
re: #85 klys
I started the process of ordering my harp.
YAY.
I’m contemplating dinner. Yay. Yours is better.
(thanks for watching and posting you martyrs)
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EPR-radar May 2, 2014 4:59:17pm |
With respect to guns, an NRA board member expresses himself on the subject of Newtown victim families being “props”.
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 4:59:17pm |
re: #82 CuriousLurker
Who in the hell are you? One day you’re portrayed as a kool aid drinking, Israel-hating, moonbat, and the next you’re a freedom hating, knuckle-dragging wingnut. Nuance & shades of gray are way too difficult, so please stop trying to be reasonable just pick a damned extremity already, will ya? Sheesh.
I gotta be me.
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GeneJockey May 2, 2014 4:59:19pm |
re: #85 klys
I started the process of ordering my harp.
YAY.
You have to ORDER them in advance? I thought they just issued them at the Pearly Gates?
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freetoken May 2, 2014 4:59:28pm |
re: #83 wrenchwench
I think his claim is that known backdoors into software are kept there, or post there, at the behest of intelligence agencies.
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klys May 2, 2014 5:00:04pm |
re: #90 GeneJockey
You have to ORDER them in advance? I thought they just issued them at the Pearly Gates?
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When you come to the Highland Games at Pleasanton this year, maybe if you ask real nice I’ll even let you see it.
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wrenchwench May 2, 2014 5:00:07pm |
re: #91 freetoken
I think his claim is that known backdoors into software are kept there, or post there, at the behest of intelligence agencies.
TY.
“Has Alexis said HOW surveillance has made us LESS SAFE?” — wrenchwench #munkdebate— Gus (@Gus_802) May 2, 2014
TY.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling May 2, 2014 5:00:16pm |
Notice how Greenwald says they’re collecting “billions of calls a day,” not metadata, but calls.
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GeneJockey May 2, 2014 5:00:45pm |
re: #93 klys
When you come to the Highland Games at Pleasanton this year, maybe if you ask real nice I’ll even let you see it.
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But if my wife sees me talking to a strange woman, I might get kilt!
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klys May 2, 2014 5:01:33pm |
re: #96 GeneJockey
But if my wife sees me talking to a strange woman, I might get kilt!
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I’d say I’d have my husband stand in front of me but between the hair and the kilt she might still get confused.
I KNOW!
We can distract her with scotch.
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Skip Intro May 2, 2014 5:01:38pm |
re: #39 Pie-onist Overlord
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG HERE?
[Embedded content]
How come she’s wearing clothes? I thought all gun-toting babes did it naked.
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 5:01:51pm |
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GeneJockey May 2, 2014 5:02:22pm |
re: #95 Rev_Arthur_Belling
Notice how Greenwald says they’re collecting “billions of calls a day,” not metadata, but calls.
Cripes, imagine having to plow through all the dreck in billions of phone calls and emails.
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goddamnedfrank May 2, 2014 5:02:49pm |
re: #77 GeneJockey
The point is most GIs weren’t carrying bullet hoses. They were carrying 8-round clips. And they were fighting a WAR against a lot of really well armed, trained folks. So, what is she defending AGAINST that she needs more bullets before reloading than our fathers and grandfathers needed to win WWII?
Why do people focus on mag capacity when statistics show handguns are used in 85% or more of every category of gun crime? I care a lot less about what she thinks she’s defending against than the ability to easily sneak a weapon into crowded areas.
And the fact is that without the suppressing fire afforded by larger capacity support weapons, WWII would have been much more difficult to win. The low capacity weapons were mostly designed for long range engagements or as secondary side arms.
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GeneJockey May 2, 2014 5:03:33pm |
re: #97 klys
I’d say I’d have my husband stand in front of me but between the hair and the kilt she might still get confused.
I KNOW!
We can distract her with scotch.
Nah. She’s more of a Vodka girl. But you could distract ME with scotch.
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 5:04:06pm |
Greenwald says he can see no use at all for bulk data collection. Ever.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 3, 2014
The hyperbole this guy is putting out. What bullshit.
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 5:04:32pm |
Oh man. What a bunch of total crap he just spewed.
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klys May 2, 2014 5:04:35pm |
re: #104 GeneJockey
Nah. She’s more of a Vodka girl. But you could distract ME with scotch.
We can distract her with harps. Mine won’t be the only one.
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Swift2991 May 2, 2014 5:05:11pm |
re: #36 Gus
They never cite cases. It’s the reverse Benghazi. Nothing actually happened. But any intelligence service, no matter the tactics, no matter the strategic needs, is evil, unless it’s not the United States, which does all the world’s spying just to enslave us.
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Shiplord Kirel May 2, 2014 5:05:17pm |
Combining conspiracy memes:
The other night, Texas Overnight radio host Charlie Jones said that since NSA is known to record every phone call in the United States, they should be required to turn over their recordings of all White House conference calls that dealt with Benghazi.
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goddamnedfrank May 2, 2014 5:05:19pm |
re: #98 Skip Intro
How come she’s wearing clothes? I thought all gun-toting babes did it naked.
She’s got on the tight vagina pants, thigh high boots and a sleeveless top. About as racy as they dare go while still trying to sell the mom meme.
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Kid A May 2, 2014 5:06:30pm |
@jjauthor I can! I can! It's a total fake because Columbia didn't have barcodes on their IDs when Obama went there!!!!
— Eric Christian Smith (@ericphototx) May 3, 2014
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GeneJockey May 2, 2014 5:06:34pm |
re: #102 goddamnedfrank
Why do people focus on mag capacity when statistics show handguns are used in 85% or more of every category of gun crime? I care a lot less about what she thinks she’s defending against than the ability to easily sneak a weapon into crowded areas.
And the fact is that without the suppressing fire afforded by larger capacity support weapons, WWII would have been much more difficult to win. The low capacity weapons were mostly designed for long range engagements or as secondary side arms.
You appear to be wandering off into the weeds, there, Frank. The capacity issue has to do with frightening people into thinking they NEED a high-capacity magazine in order to just survive.
So, again, what is she defending against? How many holes does she need to blow in intruders and her own walls to be safe?
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klys May 2, 2014 5:07:18pm |
re: #107 klys
We can distract her with harps. Mine won’t be the only one.
It will just be the prettiest.
Once I, you know, decide on the inlay.
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Stanley Sea May 2, 2014 5:08:17pm |
re: #110 Shiplord Kirel
Combining conspiracy memes:
The other night, Texas Overnight radio host Charlie Jones said that since NSA is known to record every phone call in the United States, they should be required to turn over their recordings of all White House conference calls that dealt with Benghazi.
Haha. I swear their end goal is to show that the president was in bed sleeping when it went down.
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Skip Intro May 2, 2014 5:08:26pm |
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Kid A May 2, 2014 5:08:26pm |
@jjauthor Saint Ronald of Reagan has the blood of 60 Benghazis on his hands because of Beirut. Just sayin'.
— Eric Christian Smith (@ericphototx) May 3, 2014
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klys May 2, 2014 5:08:37pm |
re: #115 klys
It will just be the prettiest.
Once I, you know, decide on the inlay.
Although the wood on this harp is hella sexy.
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 5:09:13pm |
Just heard Greenwald whispering hints to Alexis.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 3, 2014
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Stanley Sea May 2, 2014 5:09:23pm |
re: #111 goddamnedfrank
She’s got on the tight vagina pants, thigh high boots and a sleeveless top. About as racy as they dare go while still trying to sell the mom meme.
Her kids look like waifs. Yeah, believable.
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GeneJockey May 2, 2014 5:09:29pm |
re: #117 Skip Intro
“Mom” is going blow her babies eardrums out.
Yeah Mom!
Or Junior’s going to shoot his little sister by accident, which seems to happen with depressing frequency. Generally, Junior doesn’t need more than the one round to do that.
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 5:10:12pm |
This guy keeps saying NSA surveillance makes us LESS SECURE - and never bothers to explain how.
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GeneJockey May 2, 2014 5:10:26pm |
re: #111 goddamnedfrank
She’s got on the tight vagina pants, thigh high boots and a sleeveless top. About as racy as they dare go while still trying to sell the mom meme.
Maybe she’s the babysitter….
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Skip Intro May 2, 2014 5:10:51pm |
re: #123 GeneJockey
And why are we looking through a keyhole, or is this supposed to be a simulation of a serious glaucoma condition?
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Rev_Arthur_Belling May 2, 2014 5:12:13pm |
re: #124 Charles Johnson
If I gather correctly, the NSA makes us less secure because it monitors the Internet, and the Internet makes us secure in and of itself, as sort of a deus ex technologica.
Or something.
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 5:14:32pm |
The Mighty Greenwald denies everything he just said.
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Targetpractice May 2, 2014 5:15:20pm |
re: #128 Charles Johnson
The Mighty Greenwald denies everything he just said.
And shows himself a massive hypocrite, considering this is a guy who regularly attacks his critics by attributing to them beliefs and ideals that have no basis in fact.
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Bubblehead II May 2, 2014 5:15:39pm |
Sorry GG. The internet is the NEW street corner. It IS viewable to all.
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Kid A May 2, 2014 5:16:18pm |
@jjauthor The explanation-point key on your computer is really pissed off at you today.
— Eric Christian Smith (@ericphototx) May 3, 2014
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freetoken May 2, 2014 5:16:33pm |
Oh goodie, more press for Snowden.
This debate is a front.
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Bear May 2, 2014 5:16:36pm |
re: #102 goddamnedfrank
Battle sight setting for the Garand was 300 yards as I recall.
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jaunte May 2, 2014 5:16:45pm |
Is this commercial message a normal part of Munk debates?
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Targetpractice May 2, 2014 5:17:08pm |
re: #130 Bubblehead II
Sorry GG. The internet is the NEW street corner. It IS viewable to all.
Exactly. Don’t believe that? Google your own name.
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Single-handed sailor May 2, 2014 5:17:32pm |
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jaunte May 2, 2014 5:18:13pm |
Slowly scrolling background is strangely hypnotic. I believe everything he is saying…
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 5:18:29pm |
Greenwald said Dershowitz misrepresented his views, then never explained how that was true.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 3, 2014
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Targetpractice May 2, 2014 5:18:42pm |
Sorry, had to mute the audio during the Snowden advertisement.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling May 2, 2014 5:19:05pm |
re: #139 jaunte
That was incredibly hackneyed background usage.
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Randall Gross May 2, 2014 5:19:27pm |
It’s almost amusing how many wingnuts have been sucked into the Benghazi black hole that originally formed when Romney imploded his campaign with tone deaf statements on it.
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darthstar May 2, 2014 5:20:51pm |
Why are people paying attention to Greenwald again?
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 5:20:54pm |
Hayden again flatly denies Snowden's claim that he could “wiretap anyone, even the President.”— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 3, 2014
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EPR-radar May 2, 2014 5:21:02pm |
re: #102 goddamnedfrank
Some poking around on the web turned up HR 117, the Handgun Licensing and Registration Act of 2013.
This will quietly die in a House committee and go absolutely nowhere.
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goddamnedfrank May 2, 2014 5:23:51pm |
re: #114 GeneJockey
You appear to be wandering off into the weeds, there, Frank. The capacity issue has to do with frightening people into thinking they NEED a high-capacity magazine in order to just survive.
So, again, what is she defending against? How many holes does she need to blow in intruders and her own walls to be safe?
Criminal statistics isn’t “the woods.” It’s reality. It’s responsible for at least 85/100 gun deaths in this country. Your entire premise is designed to put the burden of proof on the people wanting capacity, and to do that you’re saying things about WWII that are patently untrue. I don’t really care what she thinks she’s defending against, even if her fears are unreasonable capacity isn’t really the problem so I’m not sure why putting the burden of proof on others is appropriate. It’s when people are able to conceal their guns and easily take them undetected into the public domain that most problems arise.
Concealability, by a huge majority is the problem. Handguns make up the top nine out ten of the most common firearm models recovered from crime scenes, the tenth being cheap Mossberg low capacity pump action pistol grip shotguns.
People are advocating capacity limits because they know handguns are a harder fight. But the fight for capacity limits only makes the handgun fight that much more difficult, because the legislation by definition can at best only nip away at the margins of the problem. The ensuing lack of effectiveness will only add more fuel to the gun lobby.
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EPR-radar May 2, 2014 5:23:56pm |
re: #145 Randall Gross
It’s almost amusing how many wingnuts have been sucked into the Benghazi black hole that originally formed when Romney imploded his campaign with tone deaf statements on it.
They can’t help themselves, bless their hearts. The GOP got so much undeserved credit from the Iran hostage debacle under Carter that since then their only foreign policy goal when a (D) president is in office is to somehow repeat it.
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Targetpractice May 2, 2014 5:23:57pm |
re: #145 Randall Gross
It’s almost amusing how many wingnuts have been sucked into the Benghazi black hole that originally formed when Romney imploded his campaign with tone deaf statements on it.
“Benghazi” has become a by-word for the Tea Bagger belief that they were robbed of the election by the crafty and cunning Kenyan Usurper. In their minds, Benghazi was their Iran Hostage Crisis, their chance to turn what foreign policy incident into a major argument against the Democrat in the White House.
We heard it time and again, the comparisons of Obama to Carter. They hoped deeply that Romney would have his Reagan moment during the debates, where he turned the whole thing against the President and successfully argued that he couldn’t keep America safe. But he failed to do that, the President instead turned it on him and made him look like a fool. And because of that, they now want to “set the record straight.”
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Justanotherhuman May 2, 2014 5:25:49pm |
You can tell who the adults are there, and it’s not Greensnow.
| 155 |
Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 5:26:15pm |
Greenwald is totally misrepresenting Xkeyscore again. Man, this gets tiring to keep up with all these details well enough to know how Greenwald is distorting the shit out of them.
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Gus May 2, 2014 5:26:35pm |
re: #155 Charles Johnson
Greenwald is totally misrepresenting Xkeyscore again. Man, this gets tiring to keep up with all these details well enough to know how Greenwald is distorting the shit out of them.
Block this weirdo: @grabmybuttstik
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 5:28:16pm |
I think Greenwald’s assholishness is kind of getting through to the audience a bit.
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Varek Raith May 2, 2014 5:29:10pm |
re: #44 Jymn
As we slowly watch Charles Johnston returns to his right-wing roots.
Actually, we’re seeing people like you embrace moronic libertarian nonsense.
| 164 |
Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 5:29:47pm |
He hasn’t said a single compelling thing in the entire debate.
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Shiplord Kirel May 2, 2014 5:29:56pm |
re: #150 EPR-radar
They can’t help themselves, bless their hearts. The GOP got so much undeserved credit from the Iran hostage debacle under Carter that since then their only foreign policy goal when a (D) president is in office is to somehow repeat it.
Reagan cultists believe the Iranians released the hostages a few minutes after St. Ron was sworn in because they were afraid of what he might do. In fact, the process had been going on for some time, with Algeria bribed to serve as an intermediary, and the release was timed as it was in an effort to humiliate Carter.
To his credit, the real-life Reagan didn’t stand for this and sent Carter to greet the hostages as his official representative.
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Justanotherhuman May 2, 2014 5:30:23pm |
re: #162 Charles Johnson
This guy Alexis is an empty windbag.
The one with the orange shoes? For chrissakes, already.
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Bubblehead II May 2, 2014 5:30:24pm |
//// Yea, Government work for us,. Now who owns the Government.
Edited for the sarc tabs
| 168 |
jaunte May 2, 2014 5:31:18pm |
He’s trying to sell a cheerleading memo as actual policy.
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Targetpractice May 2, 2014 5:31:18pm |
re: #164 Charles Johnson
He hasn’t said a single compelling thing in the entire debate.
Yeah, Glenn’s been a serious windbag this whole ti…oh, you mean the seat filler next to him. Sorry, my mistake.
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William of Orange May 2, 2014 5:31:51pm |
FUCK YOU VIACOM!!!
(Pardon me for these strong words but they fully deserve it.)
Get this:
COMEDY CENTRAL IS NOW BLOCKED FOR INTERNATIONAL VIEWERS LIKE ME!!
And that without announcing anything.
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simoom May 2, 2014 5:32:10pm |
I just tuned in but it sounded like Greenwald just intentionally misrepresented the reviews of the efficacy of the section 215 domestic call log collection as actually having covered all intelligence collection.
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 5:33:02pm |
Greenwald totally misrepresented Hayden’s point about the Soviet Union. He didn’t say they were “nice and reasonable,” he said they were big and slow-moving and easy targets compared to terrorists.
What a lying asshole. He’s blatantly twisting words again.
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b_sharp May 2, 2014 5:33:11pm |
re: #165 Shiplord Kirel
Reagan cultists believe the Iranians released the hostages a few minutes after St. Ron was sworn in because they were afraid of what he might do. In fact, the process had been going on for some time, with Algeria bribed to serve as an intermediary, and the release was timed as it was in an effort to humiliate Carter.
To his credit, the real-life Reagan didn’t stand for this and sent Carter to greet the hostages as his official representative.
Didn’t St. Ron end the USSR just by threatening them with his giant military grade drone balls?
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Rev_Arthur_Belling May 2, 2014 5:34:29pm |
re: #174 Charles Johnson
Greenwald totally misrepresented Hayden’s point about the Soviet Union.
My surprised face, etc.
GG’s voice has actually become more annoying as the evening has gone on.
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wrenchwench May 2, 2014 5:35:15pm |
I’ve had to pause the thing for customer interruptions, so I just got to the Snowden part. Have the Russians been giving him Smarm lessons? He used to be just dweeby and stuff. Now he looks like a professional Smarm Actor.
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Shiplord Kirel May 2, 2014 5:35:36pm |
#176 b_sharp
Didn’t St. Ron end the USSR just by threatening them with his giant military grade drone balls?
Those and his nuclear six-shooter with the Chuck Norris fast draw.
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EPR-radar May 2, 2014 5:36:17pm |
re: #179 Shiplord Kirel
Those and his nuclear six-shooter with the Chuck Norris fast draw.
Throbbing MIRV missiles.
| 182 |
freetoken May 2, 2014 5:36:49pm |
Reddit guy didn’t really add anything.
He keeps repeating the same sentence.
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 5:37:25pm |
Empty windbag says what?
Watch - he’ll end by saying it MAKES US LESS SECURE…
Oh, there he goes! I was too late.
| 185 |
Targetpractice May 2, 2014 5:37:27pm |
Christ, the Nye-Ham debate had more substance to it. This is like biting into a mayo sandwich by comparison.
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klys May 2, 2014 5:37:38pm |
re: #182 freetoken
The reddit guy is only two years older than me.
On the other hand, at least I’ve done something productive with my time.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling May 2, 2014 5:38:05pm |
re: #182 freetoken
I really don’t want to hear from the Reddit guy. This is the community that shelters assholes like violentacrez and a lot of skeevy shit. A more polished /b/
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Varek Raith May 2, 2014 5:38:50pm |
re: #187 Rev_Arthur_Belling
I really don’t want to hear from the Reddit guy. This is the community that shelters assholes like violentacrez and a lot of skeevy shit. A more polished /b/
Seriously, at least the channers admitted they were assholes.
| 189 |
Justanotherhuman May 2, 2014 5:39:08pm |
Hey, Dudebro with Orange Shoes, I feel even more vulnerable when my govt does nothing to protect me. Even if it means some people’s privacy (even my own) is “intruded upon” in some fashion on the WWW, if it’s warranted.
No so much when your company phishes me, though. Then I feel merely exploited.
| 190 |
freetoken May 2, 2014 5:40:02pm |
No one ever challenged the continual invocation of “surveillance state”, until the closing argument.
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Gus May 2, 2014 5:40:02pm |
re: #184 Charles Johnson
Empty windbag says what?
Watch - he’ll end by saying it MAKES US LESS SECURE…
Oh, there he goes! I was too late.
MY CAREER
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Justanotherhuman May 2, 2014 5:40:36pm |
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Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 5:42:07pm |
Hayden is actually going through and refuting every deceptive Greenwald point I noted myself.
Is the NSA watching LGF?
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klys May 2, 2014 5:42:46pm |
To distract you all from the pain of listening to GG, I give you progress:
I have a needle threader and can continue!
This braid (which you can’t tell but it’s sparkles!) is such a bitch to thread in the needle. I can thread normal floss just fine, but this stuff? This stuff needs to die in a fire.
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klys May 2, 2014 5:43:00pm |
re: #193 Charles Johnson
Hayden is actually going through and refuting every deceptive Greenwald point I noted myself.
Is the NSA watching LGF?
I hope they like my needlework.
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Justanotherhuman May 2, 2014 5:43:21pm |
re: #194 klys
To distract you all from the pain of listening to GG, I give you progress:
I have a needle threader and can continue!
This braid (which you can’t tell but it’s sparkles!) is such a bitch to thread in the needle. I can thread normal floss just fine, but this stuff? This stuff needs to die in a fire.
Beautiful, Klys!
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Targetpractice May 2, 2014 5:43:25pm |
re: #193 Charles Johnson
Hayden is actually going through and refuting every deceptive Greenwald point I noted myself.
Is the NSA watching LGF?
I thought you were on their payroll?
//
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Targetpractice May 2, 2014 5:43:56pm |
re: #194 klys
To distract you all from the pain of listening to GG, I give you progress:
I have a needle threader and can continue!
This braid (which you can’t tell but it’s sparkles!) is such a bitch to thread in the needle. I can thread normal floss just fine, but this stuff? This stuff needs to die in a fire.
Very nice.
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Rev_Arthur_Belling May 2, 2014 5:44:08pm |
re: #194 klys
Nice. Must be much more soothing than listening to the Hypnowald.
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klys May 2, 2014 5:44:27pm |
re: #196 Justanotherhuman
Beautiful, Klys!
It’s not going with me to Ireland (I need good lighting, the lamps don’t travel well) so I’m trying to shove time into it now. BECAUSE IT’S SO CLOSE.
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klys May 2, 2014 5:44:42pm |
re: #199 Rev_Arthur_Belling
Nice. Must be much more soothing than listening to the Hypnowald.
It’s why I share it with you all. :D
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CuriousLurker May 2, 2014 5:45:27pm |
In case anyone needs a break from GG:
This marsupial has marathon sex until it goes blind and drops dead http://t.co/ZpKNCzpgxN pic.twitter.com/P50VP9oXQR— WIRED (@WIRED) May 3, 2014
Males relentlessly bound from partner to partner, as massive hormone releases in their bodies cause their immune systems to crash and their fur to fall out. They bleed internally. Some males even go blind, yet still stumble around the leaf litter hoping for one last tryst. In a few short weeks, every single male lies dead, leaving the females to raise their offspring. And so it seems that in perpetually dangerous Australia, even the sex can kill you. […]
And with that, I’m out for the night. Later, lizards.
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Varek Raith May 2, 2014 5:45:29pm |
GG.
Youtube Video
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klys May 2, 2014 5:45:33pm |
…that moment where you discover a grammar error but two people have already quoted your comment so you can’t ninja-fix it.
DAMMIT.
| 208 |
freetoken May 2, 2014 5:46:11pm |
Munk is still hawking the “Snowden video”.
It’s a cross between an advertising gimmick and an unlevel playing field, and deceptive.
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Targetpractice May 2, 2014 5:46:58pm |
GG, letters I only ever see as an acronym for “Good Game” on multiplayer games, always used by the losing side and always used alone because it’s the equivalent of kicking over the table and storming out.
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EPR-radar May 2, 2014 5:47:29pm |
re: #194 klys
That’s much more sharable than my entertainment progress these days (i.e., obsessive video game behavior).
| 212 |
jaunte May 2, 2014 5:47:38pm |
It is weird to see a debate pause for a commercial for one side.
| 213 |
Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 5:47:45pm |
Hayden screwed up his closing statement. We’re going to hear tons of yelling about “TRUST ME” now.
| 214 |
Rev_Arthur_Belling May 2, 2014 5:48:19pm |
If this were actually a debate, I’d score it a win for Hayden/Dershowitz, as they had actual arguments. The Reddit dudebro had ONE decent argument that he repeated ad nauseam, but not much else of substance (esp. the NSA making us less safe tripe). Greenwald held his own on some points, but got demolished during rebuttals and final statements by Hayden.
It was clear Dershowitz was a seasoned litigator/legal mind and Greenwald was trying to remember his days in High School Debate Team.
| 215 |
wrenchwench May 2, 2014 5:48:23pm |
re: #204 CuriousLurker
In case anyone needs a break from GG:
[Embedded content]
And with that, I’m out for the night. Later, lizards.
So that stuff they told us about going blind was true, but the growing hair part they got backwards.
| 216 |
William of Orange May 2, 2014 5:48:26pm |
re: #170 William of Orange
FUCK YOU VIACOM!!!
(Pardon me for these strong words but they fully deserve it.)
Get this:
COMEDY CENTRAL IS NOW BLOCKED FOR INTERNATIONAL VIEWERS LIKE ME!!
And that without announcing anything.
Yep! It’s a deliberate step. Just installed the Hola Unblocker and sure enough, with a bit delay, there’s the Dailyshow again….
| 217 |
freetoken May 2, 2014 5:48:36pm |
re: #213 Charles Johnson
Yeah, I thought it he thought it was a clever line.
He was doing good up till then. I wish he’d just rebuted the accusations.
| 218 |
Gus May 2, 2014 5:48:47pm |
I vote no on all four but with a footnote on Alexis Ohanian taking top honors for drivel.
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klys May 2, 2014 5:49:23pm |
re: #211 EPR-radar
That’s much more sharable than my entertainment progress these days (i.e., obsessive video game behavior).
I will be playing the shit out of Bravely Default on the plane. And possibly FFIX.
| 221 |
Bubblehead II May 2, 2014 5:50:32pm |
| 222 |
jaunte May 2, 2014 5:50:45pm |
From the other debate tonight:
“I don't care if every Planned Parenthood clinic goes out of business - in fact that would be a great goal.” @DanPatrick #txvotes
— Texas Democrats (@TXDemParty) May 3, 2014
| 223 |
freetoken May 2, 2014 5:52:05pm |
It’s pretty clear by the voting results that the dudebros are going to skew the debate voting.
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Justanotherhuman May 2, 2014 5:52:29pm |
re: #218 Gus
I vote no on all four but with a footnote on Alexis Ohanian taking top honors for drivel.
Ohanian had more clever drivel but GG had lots moar.
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Targetpractice May 2, 2014 5:52:46pm |
re: #222 jaunte
From the other debate tonight:
[Embedded content]
Because banning legal abortions will totally end all abortions, right?
| 226 |
jaunte May 2, 2014 5:53:12pm |
.@DanPatrick says need to have free market principles for #water problems in Texas #txvotes
— Laura Isensee (@lauraisensee) May 3, 2014
| 229 |
freetoken May 2, 2014 5:54:37pm |
Isn’t it socialism to have city water supplies.
Who wants socialism???
| 231 |
Gus May 2, 2014 5:54:48pm |
People that complain to me about other people blocking people get blocked by me.
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Targetpractice May 2, 2014 5:54:56pm |
re: #226 jaunte
[Embedded content]
Translation: “All you poor people need to stop drinking so much water! We need that for fracking!!”
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NJDhockeyfan May 2, 2014 5:55:25pm |
Yup
I’m passing this on because it worked for me today. A Dr. on TV said to have inner peace we should finish things we started & we all could use more calm in our lives. I looked around my house to find things I’d started & hadn’t finished, so I finished off a bottle of Merlot, a bottle of Chardonnay, a bodle of Baileys, a butle of wum, tha mainder of Valiuminun scriptins, an a box a chocletz. Yu haf no idr how fablus I feel rite now. Sned this to all who need inner piss. An telum u luvum
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EPR-radar May 2, 2014 5:55:42pm |
re: #219 klys
I will be playing the shit out of Bravely Default on the plane. And possibly FFIX.
I have certain “because its there” tendencies in video games. Dealing with the card game in FFIX (which provides absolutely zero in-game rewards) is a good example.
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Varek Raith May 2, 2014 5:56:18pm |
re: #231 Gus
People that complain to me about other people blocking people get blocked by me.
Blockception.
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Varek Raith May 2, 2014 5:56:50pm |
re: #234 EPR-radar
I have certain “because its there” tendencies in video games. Dealing with the card game in FFIX (which provides absolutely zero in-game rewards) is a good example.
I liked 8’s card game.
| 239 |
klys May 2, 2014 5:57:57pm |
re: #238 Varek Raith
I liked 8’s card game.
VII, VIII, and IX can be played on the PSP. I may have all three.
And a separate battery for charging via USB cables, so I can play on the plane.
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EPR-radar May 2, 2014 5:58:43pm |
re: #238 Varek Raith
I liked 8’s card game.
That one has enormous in-game rewards, to the point where it can easily be more effective to power up by playing the card game than by killing monsters.
| 243 |
Varek Raith May 2, 2014 6:01:20pm |
re: #241 EPR-radar
That one has enormous in-game rewards, to the point where it can easily be more effective to power up by playing the card game than by killing monsters.
I hated the leveling system in that game.
It was always the same low amount for each level.
:/
| 244 |
wrenchwench May 2, 2014 6:01:55pm |
The one year old niece and her mom.
Later, lizards.
| 245 |
Bear May 2, 2014 6:04:19pm |
re: #194 klys
I have a quilt made by one of my Great something Grandmothers in 1859. Wool from sheep on the farm. flax thread made from flax on the farm. Of course it is not fancy as your thing.
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EPR-radar May 2, 2014 6:04:56pm |
re: #243 Varek Raith
I hated the leveling system in that game.
It was always the same low amount for each level.
:/
It’s not like you actually want to level up in FF8, since the monsters level up as you do (and get much more power by doing so than your party).
So the game would (paradoxically) be easier if high levels were harder to attain.
| 247 |
klys May 2, 2014 6:05:01pm |
re: #245 Bear
I have a quilt made by one of my Great something Grandmothers in 1859. Wool from sheep on the farm. flax thread made from flax on the farm. Of course it is not fancy as your thing.
No, but the kind of sentimental value that has can’t be overstated. It’s really wonderful that you have something like that.
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thedopefishlives May 2, 2014 6:05:19pm |
Evening again, Lizardim. So what did I miss?
| 249 |
freetoken May 2, 2014 6:05:48pm |
Bundy sons in Nevada accuse feds of assault in police complaint
Sons and sisters of Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher who has been resisting efforts by federal agents to seize his cattle grazing without permits on public land, filed police complaints with the local sheriff’s office on Friday accusing the agents of assault.
[…]
Bundy and his supporters do not recognize federal authority over the land, which has been cleared of other ranchers’ livestock to protect the habitat of the desert tortoise.
In the police complaint on Friday, two younger sisters of Bundy and three of his sons accuse the federal agents of using a stun gun and of throwing one of the sisters to the ground.
They also say that Clark County Sheriff Douglas Gillespie should have intervened.
[…]
The BLM has said it was authorized by federal court orders to seize the cattle and that it took necessary steps to protect the safety of its officers and the public.
“We welcome Mr. Bundy’s new interest in the American legal system,” it said in a statement said after Friday’s filings.
[…]
Sharp-witted bureaucrat there.
| 250 |
Gus May 2, 2014 6:06:17pm |
re: #248 thedopefishlives
Evening again, Lizardim. So what did I miss?
Alexis Ohanian has a career. //
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Targetpractice May 2, 2014 6:07:30pm |
re: #249 freetoken
Bundy sons in Nevada accuse feds of assault in police complaint
Sharp-witted bureaucrat there.
Indeed. But if we’re gonna talk about what the Sheriff should be doing, perhaps we can start with the jackasses who have turned the town into their own little fiefdom by setting up ID checkpoints on all the roads.
| 252 |
NJDhockeyfan May 2, 2014 6:09:03pm |
My girls are at their first dance tonight. Mom asked them if they were going to kiss a boy and their response? “Ewwww…no way!”
| 253 |
Shiplord Kirel May 2, 2014 6:11:28pm |
The effect seems to have lasted. Remember when then-73 year old Buzz punched out that much younger and much larger conspira-liar?
| 254 |
klys May 2, 2014 6:12:33pm |
re: #245 Bear
I have a quilt made by one of my Great something Grandmothers in 1859. Wool from sheep on the farm. flax thread made from flax on the farm. Of course it is not fancy as your thing.
Still thinking about this comment.
GGT knows because she and I had a discussion about this on twitter, but my grandmother made her first quilt to give me for my wedding. My grandfather passed away 4 months before we got married (I received the wedding invitations they day we left for the funeral, so he got buried with one) and he knew and had seen it in progress. It’s a king-sized quilt, with fabrics inspired by Japan.
Grandma passed away 9 months later.
Now I need to learn to quilt, because I have two sisters and a cousin who will never get one from Grandma and Grandpa.
| 255 |
thedopefishlives May 2, 2014 6:13:23pm |
re: #253 Shiplord Kirel
The effect seems to have lasted. Remember when then-73 year old Buzz punched out that much younger and much larger conspira-liar?
Bart Sibrel! I remember the name because he came up at JREF recently in connection with some religious nutjob conspiracy. Still one of my all-time favorite CT moments.
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Killgore Trout May 2, 2014 6:14:58pm |
Merkel disgruntled
Merkel Signals Tension Persists Over U.S. Spying
| 257 |
NJDhockeyfan May 2, 2014 6:16:31pm |
re: #253 Shiplord Kirel
The effect seems to have lasted. Remember when then-73 year old Buzz punched out that much younger and much larger conspira-liar?
One of the greatest punches of all time!
| 258 |
simoom May 2, 2014 6:16:49pm |
Results: 41% agree 59% disagree
+9 / +13 from before.
[edit: transcribed from listening to a post debate google hangout]
[edit2: hangout guy’s math was off. change was actually +9 / +12]
| 259 |
Killgore Trout May 2, 2014 6:16:55pm |
I watched the livestream of this earlier
As many as 40 die after building filled with entrenched pro-Russian forces gets hit with molotov
| 261 |
freetoken May 2, 2014 6:17:59pm |
re: #258 simoom
The online voting indicates that the online audience was overwhelmingly dudebro.
| 262 |
thedopefishlives May 2, 2014 6:18:15pm |
re: #260 Floral Giraffe
He’s a very nice man, in person.
Unless, of course, you’re f***ing retarded.
| 263 |
freetoken May 2, 2014 6:20:50pm |
re: #259 Killgore Trout
Have I mentioned lately that we are a very aggressive and territorial species?
| 264 |
simoom May 2, 2014 6:23:06pm |
re: #258 simoom
As an aside all the MunkDebates post-show Google hangout guests are uber-pro Snowden, save one who is just mostly pro-Snowden.
| 265 |
Killgore Trout May 2, 2014 6:24:44pm |
re: #263 freetoken
Have I mentioned lately that we are a very aggressive and territorial species?
Get off mah lawn!
/
| 266 |
Charles Johnson May 2, 2014 6:26:31pm |
re: #258 simoom
Results: 41% agree 59% disagree
+9 / +13 from before.
Which means overall opinions budged not one iota.
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klys May 2, 2014 6:28:11pm |
I stitch a lot to documentaries. Mostly science and/or disaster related.
One of the better documentaries out there on the tsunami in Japan in 2011, featuring interviews with people who took several of the better videos you can find of the disaster.
| 268 |
freetoken May 2, 2014 6:28:11pm |
re: #264 simoom
It’s so faddish. This is “fashion” when it comes to politics.
You might as well expect these people to think that The Tomorrow People really are the tomorrow people.
| 269 |
urbanmeemaw May 2, 2014 6:29:28pm |
re: #13 Targetpractice
Yeah, Charles, I’d love to sign on but, um, I’m feeling an overwhelming urge to poke hot needles in my eyeballs. Much more soothing than Snowwald.
| 270 |
Gus May 2, 2014 6:30:46pm |
re: #266 Charles Johnson
Which means overall opinions budged not one iota.
Which means they went in there in love with Greenwald and came out loving Greenwald.
| 271 |
thedopefishlives May 2, 2014 6:31:20pm |
re: #270 Gus
Which means they went in there in love with Greenwald and came out loving Greenwald.
Expect him to omit that first part when he crows about his legendary victory.
| 272 |
Shiplord Kirel May 2, 2014 6:32:18pm |
The 50th anniversary of Apollo 11 is just five years away. Too bad Neil Armstrong can’t be there, but there is a good chance Buzz and Mike Collins will make it.
I wish there could be a new Moon landing before then, but the chances aren’t so good. Still it is not impossible that SpaceX or the Chinese could pull it off. SpaceX’s new Falcon Heavy has the lift for a Moon shot. It would require considerably lighter command and landing vehicles but that should be feasible.
| 273 |
freetoken May 2, 2014 6:33:00pm |
The Snowden commercial made it clear that this Munk “debate” was but a rigged show for Snowden/Greenwald.
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simoom May 2, 2014 6:33:53pm |
re: #266 Charles Johnson
Which means overall opinions budged not one iota.
Look’s like the hangout host’s math was slightly off. Change was actually +9 / +12, so the “most famous journalist of his generation” can claim a staggering 3% victory ///.
Munk Debate Results: 41% agree, 59% disagree (32 agree, 47 disagree pre-debate). Narrow win for @ggreenwald and @alexisohanian.— The Munk Debates (@munkdebate) May 3, 2014
| 275 |
Killgore Trout May 2, 2014 6:37:15pm |
Oregon is outraged after comedian makes parody of our failed healthcare effort
‘We Are Stupid F*cking Idiots’: Oregon Ad Agency Responds to John Oliver
Given the world today, you have to be a stupid fucking idiot to want to help activate a legislation so controversial.
You have to be a stupid fucking idiot to suggest a strategy that unites people around a common good before selling them on something as complicated as health insurance.
You have to be a stupid fucking idiot to think advertising can actually help improve the quality of people’s lives.
But at North, we welcome stupid fucking idiots. And I’d do it all again just the same, proudly.
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Gus May 2, 2014 6:50:55pm |
Folks. Here's Firedoglake on the Odessa fire. pic.twitter.com/QptwRHo4VQ— Gus (@Gus_802) May 3, 2014
Alone in a Bathroom: The Fear and Uncertainty of a Post-Roe Medication Abortion Angel tucked two white pills into each side of her mouth, bracing herself as they began to dissolve. Her deepest fears and anxieties took over. Angel had wanted to talk to a doctor before she took the pills to ...
Cheechako
They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... CheechakoJoe Bacon ✅
March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
William Lewis
Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
Rightwingconspirator
Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... CheechakoKGxvi
Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
