Bundy Ranch Terrorists Issue Bomb Threats, Intimidate City Council Meeting, Attempt to Set Fire to Cars

When will the government act?
KiTA
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The lack of a response is emboldening the terrorists.

Within the past few days, local 8 News NOW received Police Reports and other information that show Bundy’s Anti-American, Anti-Government thugs:

- “poured lighter fluid around” news trucks,
- Issued “bomb threats” against Hotels where Federal employees were lodging,
- told hotel staff they would be “dragged out in the parking lot and shot”
- Bundy thugs asked Metro Police Sgt Jenkins if “he was ready to die”

They’re also showing up to intimidate the local city council:

Fox News 5 is reporting that Bundy’s armed thugs surrounded the City Council room and stood watch over a “standing-room only City council meeting” yesterday. Why did Bundy’s thugs attend the City Council meeting? Were they there to intimidate?

So yeah. It’s not a matter of if this powder keg goes off, it’s WHEN. The Federal Government needs to step in, immediately, and put down this modern Whiskey Rebellion.

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331 comments
1 CriticalDragon1177  May 2, 2014 6:00:46pm

KiTA,

The government better act soon before these terrorists “freedom fighters” start murdering innocent people because they’re not getting what they want.

2 KiTA  May 2, 2014 6:22:20pm

re: #1 CriticalDragon1177

KiTA,

The government better act soon before these terrorists “freedom fighters” start murdering innocent people because they’re not getting what they want.

I really do think there’s going to be some form of collapse, soon. Either they’re going to turn on each other, or they’re going to find some minority or news reporter or federal agent all by themselves and attack them, or the terrorists are going to try to push the “Sovereign nation” bullshit and declare themselves independent warlords of the local towns.

They’ve already been allowed too much leeway, it’s time to slap them down and remind them that crossing fingers and wishing real hard does not make them suddenly immune to law.

3 Dark_Falcon  May 2, 2014 6:37:09pm

re: #2 KiTA

I really do think there’s going to be some form of collapse, soon. Either they’re going to turn on each other, or they’re going to find some minority or news reporter or federal agent all by themselves and attack them, or the terrorists are going to try to push the “Sovereign nation” bullshit and declare themselves independent warlords of the local towns.

They’ve already been allowed too much leeway, it’s time to slap them down and remind them that crossing fingers and wishing real hard does not make them suddenly immune to law.

That won’t happen, is my bet. The Obama administration is going to refrain from moving proactively on this matter, preferring to react if the militia types actually brutalize and/or kill someone. This is both in hopes the area will cool down on its own and also in order to present any eventual crackdown in the best possible light to those willing to listen to the administration.

4 freetoken  May 2, 2014 6:38:06pm

I’m sort of cautious about DKos entries, and since I never really visit the site (except when fed there by links) I’m not sure of the poster.

Anyway, yes, it is clear that the Bundy Bunch thugs are way out of line, are really being a gang, and that others in the area will pay for the Bundy idiocy.

Cliven Bundy doesn’t want to live in the 21st century. From his statements it sounds like he wasn’t so hot on the 20th century either. He’d probably do well in the 18th.

5 Kragar  May 2, 2014 6:38:08pm

The whole oath to defend they United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

These guys are the domestic enemies.

Round them up and lock them away.

6 thedopefishlives  May 2, 2014 6:39:41pm

re: #2 KiTA

The problem with this whole “arrest the bastards already” philosophy is that it ignores the fact that it will be a royal bloodbath - probably on both sides, despite the fact that the police now know more or less what they’re getting into. It would be a PR disaster on the order of Waco or Ruby Ridge even though there’s no doubt in my mind that these idiots will be shooting back and probably cause some police casualties. And even if, by some chance, this is not the most likely outcome, it’s likely enough to give even the stoutest sheriff pause.

7 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 6:43:41pm

This is the right’s Fort Sumter, except that the Bundy Bund has even less legal standing than the secessionists did. If blood is spilled, send the Army to crush this insurrection.

It would be an important object lesson for RW media and conspiracy dupes in what the Constitution and the law REALLY say, as well as the ineffectuality of AR-15s against tanks and gunships.

8 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 6:43:47pm

Just like Gandhi huh Kevin Williamson.

9 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 6:48:00pm

re: #6 thedopefishlives

The problem with this whole “arrest the bastards already” philosophy is that it ignores the fact that it will be a royal bloodbath - probably on both sides, despite the fact that the police now know more or less what they’re getting into. It would be a PR disaster on the order of Waco or Ruby Ridge even though there’s no doubt in my mind that these idiots will be shooting back and probably cause some police casualties. And even if, by some chance, this is not the most likely outcome, it’s likely enough to give even the stoutest sheriff pause.

I’m not sure the comparison to Ruby Ridge and Waco will hold up in the aftermath. People can clearly see that these thugs are going onto public property to intimidate and terrorize. Neither Randy Weaver nor the Branch Davidians did that.

10 thedopefishlives  May 2, 2014 6:49:02pm

re: #9 Shiplord Kirel

I’m not sure the comparison to Ruby Ridge and Waco will hold up in the aftermath. People can clearly see that these thugs are going onto public property to intimidate and terrorize. Neither Randy Weaver nor the Branch Davidians did that.

I would be pleasantly surprised if people did recognize this. I have little faith in the general public, sad to say. Many Americans already tend to be suspicious of the police - not completely unfounded, I might add.

11 Sionainn  May 2, 2014 6:49:06pm

It’s going to be 99 degrees out at Bunkerville tomorrow. I think these “tough guys” are going to melt and go home. I think that the feds have identified those who pointed weapons at law enforcement and will arrest them one by one when they least expect it.

12 Dark_Falcon  May 2, 2014 6:49:16pm

re: #6 thedopefishlives

The problem with this whole “arrest the bastards already” philosophy is that it ignores the fact that it will be a royal bloodbath - probably on both sides, despite the fact that the police now know more or less what they’re getting into. It would be a PR disaster on the order of Waco or Ruby Ridge even though there’s no doubt in my mind that these idiots will be shooting back and probably cause some police casualties. And even if, by some chance, this is not the most likely outcome, it’s likely enough to give even the stoutest sheriff pause.

Even worse with some of these rural sheriff’s departments is the chance that some of the deputies might decide they agree with Bundy and turn on the government.

13 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 6:49:19pm

Remember that time MLK and Rosa Parks tried to intimidate city officials? Yeah me neither.

14 klys  May 2, 2014 6:50:11pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Even worse with some of these rural sheriff’s departments is the chance that some of the deputies might decide they agree with Bundy and turn on the government.

Well, if they start shouting BENGHAZI we’ll know for sure.

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15 thedopefishlives  May 2, 2014 6:50:19pm

re: #11 Sionainn

It’s going to be 99 degrees out at Bunkerville tomorrow. I think these “tough guys” are going to melt and go home. I think that the feds have identified those who pointed weapons at law enforcement will arrest them one by one when they least expect it.

That would be my preferred approach. I have nothing against pinching them - I just don’t think it would be a good idea to send in the tanks and tear gas right this minute. Let’s get them when they’re vulnerable.

16 Sionainn  May 2, 2014 6:51:12pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Even worse with some of these rural sheriff’s departments is the chance that some of the deputies might decide they agree with Bundy and turn on the government.

There is no rural sheriff’s department there, so no worries about that. It’s why Bundy’s supporters came to Las Vegas to file their complaints.

17 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 2, 2014 6:51:40pm

re: #7 Shiplord Kirel

I’m pretty sure if a True Patriot mounts enough tactical lights, nightvision scopes, laser pointers, vertical foregrips, Duck Dynasty memorabilia, truck nuts, Ted Nugent 8-track tapes, and AM radios to any .223 cal rifle it can disable an M1A1.

18 Sionainn  May 2, 2014 6:51:57pm

re: #15 thedopefishlives

That would be my preferred approach. I have nothing against pinching them - I just don’t think it would be a good idea to send in the tanks and tear gas right this minute. Let’s get them when they’re vulnerable.

Yep. I think they are going to wait until they go home and get them there. Should be pretty easy if they’ve identified them.

19 Dark_Falcon  May 2, 2014 6:53:24pm

re: #11 Sionainn

It’s going to be 99 degrees out at Bunkerville tomorrow. I think these “tough guys” are going to melt and go home. I think that the feds have identified those who pointed weapons at law enforcement will arrest them one by one when they least expect it.

The problem with that is any of those assholes you miss in the first wave of arrests are going to know they are wanted men. Some may turn themselves in, but others may go full insurgent after that. There’s nothing like designating a man “Enemy of the State”* to get him to commit himself, and even yahoo neckbeards can turn out to be tougher than you expect when they’ve got nothing left to lose.

*: That’s how they’ll see any arrest warrants, anyhow.

Edited.

20 Gus  May 2, 2014 6:56:09pm

Gandhi Ranch //

21 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 6:56:17pm

re: #17 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I’m pretty sure if a True Patriot mounts enough tactical lights, nightvision scopes, laser pointers, vertical foregrips, Duck Dynasty memorabilia, truck nuts, Ted Nugent 8-track tapes, and AM radios to any .223 cal rifle it can disable an M1A1.

I would include Three Stooges videos in the troops’ briefing so they will be desensitized enough not to laugh themselves insensible when they see the Bundista weapons.

22 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 6:58:57pm

re: #15 thedopefishlives

That would be my preferred approach. I have nothing against pinching them - I just don’t think it would be a good idea to send in the tanks and tear gas right this minute. Let’s get them when they’re vulnerable.

Thing is, the longer this drags on without response, the more emboldened they become. The law’s being at the very least bent, if not outright broken, and the local officials seem to be either cowed by the open displays and threats or are in fact supportive of these loons.

23 ksecus  May 2, 2014 6:59:41pm

Im betting there are a few undercover government agents winning the confidence of these nuts. Theyre probably trying to get in deep to see if they have big plans.

24 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 7:00:30pm

re: #23 ksecus

Im betting there are a few undercover government agents winning the confidence of these nuts. Theyre probably trying to get in deep to see if they have big plans.

Without a doubt.

25 thedopefishlives  May 2, 2014 7:01:06pm

re: #22 Targetpractice

Thing is, the longer this drags on without response, the more emboldened they become. The law’s being at the very least bent, if not outright broken, and the local officials seem to be either cowed by the open displays and threats or are in fact supportive of these loons.

I’d sooner say they are afraid of the public backlash that might - and I emphasize the “might” - follow from attempting action on these yokels. They know it’s going to be bad; people are going to get shot, some of them will probably die. While comparisons to Waco and Ruby Ridge might be completely unfounded, they will be made, and it will be an ugly PR stain that will probably never go away. If I had to guess, they’re probably plotting strategies to make this go away quietly, and none of them involve being hasty.

26 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 7:01:40pm

No matter how this gets broken up by real authorities (and I hope it does with minimal bloodshed), these nuts are going to find a pretext (to use a word from the GG debate earlier) to declare that it’s some kind of fascist dictatorship descending on ‘Murica. Alex Jones will go ballistic.

27 freetoken  May 2, 2014 7:02:17pm

Nothing a few DRONES can’t take of.

28 Mattand  May 2, 2014 7:02:20pm

re: #22 Targetpractice

Thing is, the longer this drags on without response, the more emboldened they become. The law’s being at the very least bent, if not outright broken, and the local officials seem to be either cowed by the open displays and threats or are in fact supportive of these loons.

Three guesses what party these officials are in.

29 The Ghost of a Flea  May 2, 2014 7:02:25pm
8 News NOW obtained a police report which also shows the hotel received at least nine threatening phone calls in April, after they allowed BLM rangers to stay in the hotel.

Workers were told to kick out the BLM or they “would not be standing in the morning.”

Ain’t no freedom like the freedom to set up your own micro-state using threats of violence.

Kind of makes you worry about the bigger picture of people talking about “less government” and “interfering feds.”

30 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 7:03:09pm

We may wake up some morning to find that a large contingent of Bundy militia have arrested the rest of the gang and called in federal marshals to haul them away. Then, and only then, will they know who the undercover agents really were.

31 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 7:03:18pm

re: #25 thedopefishlives

I’d sooner say they are afraid of the public backlash that might - and I emphasize the “might” - follow from attempting action on these yokels. They know it’s going to be bad; people are going to get shot, some of them will probably die. While comparisons to Waco and Ruby Ridge might be completely unfounded, they will be made, and it will be an ugly PR stain that will probably never go away. If I had to guess, they’re probably plotting strategies to make this go away quietly, and none of them involve being hasty.

And in the mean time, they’re basically showing these terrorists that the way to win is to make things so politically painful to address that inaction and acquiescence are the only options. What our enemies overseas learned, our enemies here at home are now adopting.

32 Gus  May 2, 2014 7:04:08pm

re: #27 freetoken

Nothing a few DRONES can’t take of.

33 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 7:04:32pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

And in the mean time, they’re basically showing these terrorists that the way to win is to make things so politically painful to address use women and children as shields so that inaction and acquiescence are the only options.

34 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 2, 2014 7:05:11pm

re: #32 Gus

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I’ll take “We’re fucked” for $400, Alex.

35 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 7:06:56pm

Also, let’s not delude ourselves that some of these sickos want a confrontation. They’ve been itching for one since Jan. 20, 2009. Wonder what happened that day?

36 Sionainn  May 2, 2014 7:07:21pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

The problem with that is any of those assholes you miss in the first wave of arrests are going to know they are wanted men. Some may turn themselves in, but others may go full insurgent after that. There’s nothing like designating a man “Enemy of the State”* to get him to commit himself, and even yahoo neckbeards can turn out to be tougher than you expect when they’ve got nothing left to lose.

*: That’s how they’ll see any arrest warrants, anyhow.

Edited.

Oh, I’m sure that we’ve got enough law enforcement that they can be picked up pretty quickly when they are alone and before word gets out.

37 klys  May 2, 2014 7:07:46pm

/stitch stitch stitch

Just for fun contrast, here’s the piece from the back.

38 Mattand  May 2, 2014 7:08:04pm

I understand that you have to move deliberately in order to avoid a bloodbath, but these Tea Bagging conservative thugs have essentially taken over an American town by force.

They’re no different than the fucking Nazis trying to overrun that town in SD.

I’m getting so sick of this. I don’t want to see anybody hurt, but now these assholes are basically threatening anything that moves. Something needs to give here.

And fuck the Republican Party for fostering this poisonous atmosphere in the first place.

39 Dark_Falcon  May 2, 2014 7:08:26pm

re: #35 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Also, let’s not delude ourselves that some of these sickos want a confrontation. They’ve been itching for one since Jan. 20, 2009. Wonder what happened that day?

Some of them have wanted a confrontation for longer than that. It’s just that their rage was either hibernating or directed at external enemies during the Bush presidency.

40 Floral Giraffe  May 2, 2014 7:08:56pm

LOL! Just got a call from the RNC. He was NOT happy when I told him “you people suck. I’m a Democrat now”.

41 Sionainn  May 2, 2014 7:09:02pm

re: #26 Rev_Arthur_Belling

No matter how this gets broken up by real authorities (and I hope it does with minimal bloodshed), these nuts are going to find a pretext (to use a word from the GG debate earlier) to declare that it’s some kind of fascist dictatorship descending on ‘Murica. Alex Jones will go ballistic.

Yeah, but when does Alex Jones not go ballistic?

42 thedopefishlives  May 2, 2014 7:09:11pm

re: #40 Floral Giraffe

LOL! Just got a call from the RNC. He was NOT happy when I told him “you people suck. I’m a Democrat now”.

Eeeeeeexcellent.

43 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 7:09:51pm

re: #40 Floral Giraffe

LOL! Just got a call from the RNC. He was NOT happy when I told him “you people suck. I’m a Democrat now”.

Too bad you couldn’t have told that to Reince Preibus himself.

44 klys  May 2, 2014 7:11:00pm

re: #40 Floral Giraffe

LOL! Just got a call from the RNC. He was NOT happy when I told him “you people suck. I’m a Democrat now”.

You go girl.

The best I can tell them is that they’re speaking to the wrong spouse.

(He is registered Republican so he can vote in that primary in an attempt to bring sanity back to the party. I’m like whatever, that ship sailed.)

45 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 2, 2014 7:11:56pm

re: #41 Sionainn

Touche!

46 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 2, 2014 7:12:25pm

re: #44 klys

You go girl.

The best I can tell them is that they’re speaking to the wrong spouse.

(He is registered Republican so he can vote in that primary in an attempt to bring sanity back to the party. I’m like whatever, that ship sailed.)

Sailed, and is now slowly sinking.

47 lawhawk  May 2, 2014 7:13:50pm

Nevada authorities better be looking hard at the local law enforcement and whether they’re turning a blind eye to what’s going on in reckless disregard for public safety. These militia thugs are itching for a fight, and while the feds are right to try and defuse the situation, but letting them stick around and begin harassing locals and setting up roadblocks on state and local public roads is illegal and must be addressed quickly.

There’s not going to be an easy answer for the situation, but if the militias go ahead and cause harm or injury to someone, the state and feds will have to deal decisively with them (and with the predictable right wing outrageous outrage).

48 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 7:13:58pm

Ship sunk the minute that Jon Huntsman was less viable than Herman Cain.

49 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 7:14:28pm

re: #38 Mattand

And fuck the Republican Party for fostering this poisonous atmosphere in the first place.

QFT

50 Feline Fearless Leader  May 2, 2014 7:16:42pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Even worse with some of these rural sheriff’s departments is the chance that some of the deputies might decide they agree with Bundy and turn on the government.

Well it’s a little hard to call Clark County “rural” since it has 3/4 of Nevada’s population. Mainly due to the county seat.

51 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 2, 2014 7:17:37pm

re: #38 Mattand

I understand that you have to move deliberately in order to avoid a bloodbath, but these Tea Bagging conservative thugs have essentially taken over an American town by force.

They’re no different than the fucking Nazis trying to overrun that town in SD.

I’m getting so sick of this. I don’t want to see anybody hurt, but now these assholes are basically threatening anything that moves. Something needs to give here.

And fuck the Republican Party for fostering this poisonous atmosphere in the first place.

Not just the Party, but ranters like Rushbo, Coulter, Beck, et al., who whip up this kind of aggression.

52 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 7:17:39pm

I’m wondering if Cliven Bundy even could get rid of these gangs if he decided they’d worn out their welcome. It has to be stressful having hundreds of armed drunks and crazy people camping out on your property. Is the Bundy family in danger of being held hostage? Could it be happening already? He can’t very well call the law to clear them out.

53 Mattand  May 2, 2014 7:18:11pm

re: #47 lawhawk

Nevada authorities better be looking hard at the local law enforcement and whether they’re turning a blind eye to what’s going on in reckless disregard for public safety. These militia thugs are itching for a fight, and while the feds are right to try and defuse the situation, but letting them stick around and begin harassing locals and setting up roadblocks on state and local public roads is illegal and must be addressed quickly.

There’s not going to be an easy answer for the situation, but if the militias go ahead and cause harm or injury to someone, the state and feds will have to deal decisively with them (and with the predictable right wing outrageous outrage).

That’s what’s pissing me off to no end. I imagine trying to leave my house to run to the grocery store, and being prevented by some armed thugs with no official authority.

It’s infuriating. Why this isn’t a bigger deal in the news right now is beyond me.

54 Sionainn  May 2, 2014 7:18:27pm

re: #47 lawhawk

Nevada authorities better be looking hard at the local law enforcement and whether they’re turning a blind eye to what’s going on in reckless disregard for public safety. These militia thugs are itching for a fight, and while the feds are right to try and defuse the situation, but letting them stick around and begin harassing locals and setting up roadblocks on state and local public roads is illegal and must be addressed quickly.

There’s not going to be an easy answer for the situation, but if the militias go ahead and cause harm or injury to someone, the state and feds will have to deal decisively with them (and with the predictable right wing outrageous outrage).

I’ve been doing a lot of thinking about this. I really think Sheriff Gillespie is stuck between a rock and hard place. If he takes a bunch of police out there to disperse the crowd and move them on their way or arrest them, there’s going to be some killings, on both sides, and right now, Metro has a lot of police shootings on record and people are getting disgusted with how often it is occurring.

It’s federal land. I think the feds need to take care of it. They are probably better prepared than the police department is, as well.

55 The Ghost of a Flea  May 2, 2014 7:19:00pm

These guys are just dying for a Horst Wessel.

The Nuge could write the song.

56 Sionainn  May 2, 2014 7:20:16pm

re: #50 Feline Fearless Leader

Well it’s a little hard to call Clark County “rural” since it has 3/4 of Nevada’s population. Mainly due to the county seat.

Despite that, most of Clark County is rural. It always amazes me when I look at other states much smaller than Nevada and they have what look like hundreds of counties.

57 freetoken  May 2, 2014 7:21:05pm

Don’t know if any of you have read Coates’ article on racism and Sterling, Bundy et. al., from a couple of days ago, but it’s worth digesting.

There are substantive comments, too, like this one:

theatlantic.com

There is more to Bundy’s (and even Sterling’s) issues than just racism, but Coates does attempt to paint the bigger picture of our society.

58 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 7:23:21pm

re: #56 Sionainn

Despite that, most of Clark County is rural. It always amazes me when I look at other states much smaller than Nevada and they have what look like hundreds of counties.

I think Georgia is up there for counties even though it’s “only” like 12th or 13th or so in population. Got quite a bit of counties here in VA too.

59 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 2, 2014 7:25:35pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

I think Georgia is up there for counties even though it’s “only” like 12th or 13th or so in population. Got quite a bit of counties here in VA too.

Kentucky has like 123. As I understand it, they were laid out so each county seat was about a day’s ride (on horseback or by wagon/carriage) from where folks lived.

60 Mattand  May 2, 2014 7:26:22pm

re: #51 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Not just the Party, but ranters like Rushbo, Coulter, Beck, et al., who whip up this kind of aggression.

I tried to work them into the original draft, but wanted to avoid a run-on sentence.

61 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 7:26:41pm

re: #59 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Kentucky has like 123. As I understand it, they were laid out so each county seat was about a day’s ride (on horseback or by wagon/carriage) from where folks lived.

Interesting. I think I remember hearing that many of the plains states have their shape due to the Homestead Act and stuff. I’m a geography nerd I concede.

62 Feline Fearless Leader  May 2, 2014 7:26:48pm

re: #56 Sionainn

Despite that, most of Clark County is rural. It always amazes me when I look at other states much smaller than Nevada and they have what look like hundreds of counties.

True. But I’d think due to Las Vegas and the overall amount of population that the Clark County sheriff’s office is not that small as compared to what a county with a relatively low population would have.

63 Dark_Falcon  May 2, 2014 7:27:33pm

And in another case that made national headlines, sanity has prevailed in Minnesota:

Minnesota homeowner who fatally shot teen intruders found guilty of murder (VIDEO)

Byron Smith, the man who fatally shot two teen intruders in the basement of his Little Falls, Minnesota, home on Thanksgiving Day in 2012, has been convicted of premeditated murder.

Smith was found guilty on four counts total - two counts of first-degree murder and two counts of second-degree murder for the shooting deaths of 18-year-old Haile Kifer and 17-year-old Nick Brady. He was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

Multiple sources reported that it took the jury only about three hours of deliberation before delivering the verdict Tuesday. Apparently a key factor in the jury’s decision being the disturbing and detailed audio and visual recordings of the break-in and fatal shootings as they occurred.

Smith, who was a retired security engineer for the State Department responsible for establishing security at embassies and consulates around the world, had set up a security system within his home, which had been burglarized several times in the past.

Smith was determined to catch those responsible for the prior break-ins, but many - including the jury - determined that he crossed the line from self-defense to premeditated murder.

64 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 2, 2014 7:28:24pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Interesting. I think I remember hearing that many of the plains states have their shape due to the Homestead Act and stuff. I’m a geography nerd I concede.

Correct. Lots of squares and rectangles out there, following lines of latitude and longitude, even down to individual farms.

65 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 7:29:15pm

re: #54 Sionainn

I’ve been doing a lot of thinking about this. I really think Sheriff Gillespie is stuck between a rock and hard place. If he takes a bunch of police out there to disperse the crowd and move them on their way or arrest them, there’s going to be some killings, on both sides, and right now, Metro has a lot of police shootings on record and people are getting disgusted with how often it is occurring.

It’s federal land. I think the feds need to take care of it. They are probably better prepared than the police department is, as well.

I think you’re right. A state of insurrection exists there in that the local authorities are unable to deal with the lawlessness. That makes it a federal, even a military, responsibility under the exclusion from the Posse Comitatus Act of actions taken under the Insurrection Act of 1807. Btw, wingnuts love to cite the Posse Comitatus Act but few if any of them seem to know what it actually says.

66 palomino  May 2, 2014 7:29:39pm

Yes, the labor force participation rate declined this month, offsetting some of the gains from the addition of 288,000 jobs. Viewed out of context, that sounds bad.

But here’s the context: the participation rate has been dropping steadily since 1999, when it peaked.

Not surprisingly, the biggest drop was 2007-2008 during the Great Recession.

67 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 2, 2014 7:31:01pm

re: #66 palomino

I am one of those who dropped out of the US labor force to work overseas.

68 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 7:31:17pm

re: #64 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Correct. Lots of squares and rectangles out there, following lines of latitude and longitude, even down to individual farms.

Right makes sense. What’s also interesting in geography are place names. Lots of English sounding names in New England and Scandinavian/German ones in the Midwest for obvious reasons.

69 Gus  May 2, 2014 7:32:09pm
70 Sionainn  May 2, 2014 7:32:23pm

re: #62 Feline Fearless Leader

True. But I’d think due to Las Vegas and the overall amount of population that the Clark County sheriff’s office is not that small as compared to what a county with a relatively low population would have.

I guess what I was trying to say that was the population is not spread out. Clark County is pretty big, but the population is pretty much clustered in the Las Vegas Valley. There are some very large counties in Nevada, though, that only have a couple of thousand people in them. I love that!

71 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 7:33:14pm

re: #66 palomino

Yes, the labor force participation rate declined this month, offsetting some of the gains from the addition of 288,000 jobs. Viewed out of context, that sounds bad.

But here’s the context: the participation rate has been dropping steadily since 1999, when it peaked. [Embedded image]

Not surprisingly, the biggest drop was 2007-2008 during the Great Recession.

And it will continue to drop as Boomers retire from the workforce. But that won’t stop wingnuts from harping on the drops…at least until a Republican is in the White House, when they’ll remember that they didn’t give a damn about such statistics when the last Republican was in office.

72 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 7:33:47pm

Was looking at some old censuses and NV had the smallest population by far of any state until 1950 which consequently was the first full decade after Bugsy suggested to the mob to go out to Vegas.

73 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 2, 2014 7:33:50pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Right makes sense. What’s also interesting in geography are place names. Lots of English sounding names in New England and Scandinavian/German ones in the Midwest for obvious reasons.

Also a lot of Native words all over the USA.

74 aagcobb  May 2, 2014 7:34:18pm

re: #66 palomino

Yes, the labor force participation rate declined this month, offsetting some of the gains from the addition of 288,000 jobs. Viewed out of context, that sounds bad.

But here’s the context: the participation rate has been dropping steadily since 1999, when it peaked. [Embedded image]

Not surprisingly, the biggest drop was 2007-2008 during the Great Recession.

Much of the Baby Boom is in prime retirement years. I think another factor is that since Congress won’t extend UI benefits for the long-term unemployed, and no-one will hire them, they no longer have a reason to look for a job.

75 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 7:34:46pm

re: #69 Gus

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Fine, it’s on tape. The dipshit was being belligerent, the cops tried to get him to back off by using a dog which was on a leash to put a scare in him, he kicked the dog in the head, and he got hit with a taser. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

76 Gus  May 2, 2014 7:35:14pm
77 Dark_Falcon  May 2, 2014 7:36:43pm

Gaston Glock buys wife $15 million horse

Austrian gun designer Gaston Glock recently forked out $15 million on a new horse for his wife, Kathrin.

Glock, 84, bought London, the 12-year-old Olympic silver-medal winning show jumping horse at an auction. Kathrin, 31, plans to use London in the Glock Horse Performance Center, which was built near their house in Carinthia, Austrian Times reports.

The Glocks also hope to use London to take home a medal in the 2016 Olympic Games.

Ann Romney is probably berating Mitt over this story as we speak, since the horse he bought her didn’t win a medal, and she didn’t get to pick out the White House china like he promised her, either.

78 Gus  May 2, 2014 7:36:50pm
79 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 7:37:44pm

re: #73 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Also a lot of Native words all over the USA.

Yep and tons of Spanish words in the west obviously too.

80 Mattand  May 2, 2014 7:40:03pm

re: #76 Gus

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I’m sorry, remind me again which political party has been voting for seceding/threatening treason since a black man got elected President?

The Tea Bag thuggery in NV just hit me the wrong way tonight.

81 Lidane  May 2, 2014 7:40:18pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Even worse with some of these rural sheriff’s departments is the chance that some of the deputies might decide they agree with Bundy and turn on the government.

If they do, then I’m sure they won’t have a problem a stint in the very same jails they send other people to.

82 freetoken  May 2, 2014 7:42:26pm

Get this:

Koch brothers decline invitation to debate climate change

A group supporting the political views of retired billionaire investor Tom Steyer bought a full-page color advertisement Friday in The Wichita Eagle — the Koch brothers’ hometown newspaper — inviting the brothers to a public debate on climate change.

The brothers, Charles and David, don’t plan to take him up on it.

“We are not experts on climate change,” wrote Koch spokeswoman Melissa Cohlmia in an e-mail Friday afternoon. “We do believe there should be free and open debate on the climate issue and it should be based on sound science and intellectual honesty.

“The debate should take place among the scientific community, examining all points of view and void of politics, personal attacks and partisan agendas.”

[…]

The Koch bros. just want a “free and open debate”, that’s all.

Why do you all hate them?

83 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 7:42:52pm

From the Insurrection Act of 1807:

§ 331. Federal aid for State governments

Whenever there is an insurrections in any State against its government, the President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into Federal service such of the militia of the other States, in the number requested by that State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to suppress the insurrection.

§ 332. Use of militia and armed forces to enforce Federal authority

Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State or Territory by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.

§ 333. Interference with State and Federal law

The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it—

(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or

(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.(emphasis added)

84 calochortus  May 2, 2014 7:43:53pm

re: #44 klys

You go girl.

The best I can tell them is that they’re speaking to the wrong spouse.

(He is registered Republican so he can vote in that primary in an attempt to bring sanity back to the party. I’m like whatever, that ship sailed.)

I hung on with the Republicans longer than I should have for that very reason. It didn’t work. Finally, I could no longer stand it when they supported torture.

85 Dark_Falcon  May 2, 2014 7:44:54pm

re: #82 freetoken

Get this:

Koch brothers decline invitation to debate climate change

The Koch bros. just want a “free and open debate”, that’s all.

Why do you all hate them?

They’re businessmen, not scientists and I’m glad they know they shouldn’t try a debate like that. The risk / reward correlation is not in their favor in such a matter.

86 Gus  May 2, 2014 7:45:16pm
87 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 7:46:01pm

Bundy’s lawyers should be disbarred if they have failed to make him aware of the consequences of insurrectionist activity by his “guests.”

88 freetoken  May 2, 2014 7:46:28pm

re: #86 Gus

Stockholm Syndrome?

Maybe just stockings syndrome…

89 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 7:46:31pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

They’re businessmen, not scientists and I’m glad they know they shouldn’t try a debate like that. The risk / reward correlation is not in their favor in such a matter.

You’re right, they’re not scientists which is why we shouldn’t be listening to groups that they pay to push anti-AGW agendas.

90 Sionainn  May 2, 2014 7:46:46pm

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel

From the Insurrection Act of 1807:

LOL. Can you imagine if this president did that?

91 The Ghost of a Flea  May 2, 2014 7:48:35pm

“You’re not serving the American public and you do not deserve even First Amendment constitutional rights, sir!”

To belabor a point:

This shit is totally in keeping with the “less federal government” of the Jim Crow South. Setting up a little local monopoly of violence to keep folks in line, while crying about the outsiders interfering.

It’s all about their team getting to decide who gets what rights, when.

And all the assholes the supported Bundy to start with…while they may have run away when he started being openly racist, but what they share in common is that deep down, the feel like they’re the Real Americans, and they get to dictate who gets what rights.

Bundy and his militiamen will eventually leave the stage, but this shit ain’t over. Half of Capitol Hill is selling the same resentment.

92 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 7:50:12pm

re: #91 The Ghost of a Flea

“You’re not serving the American public and you do not deserve even First Amendment constitutional rights, sir!”

To belabor a point:

This shit is totally in keeping with the “less federal government” of the Jim Crow South. Setting up a little local monopoly of violence to keep folks in line, while crying about the outsiders interfering.

It’s all about their team getting to decide who gets what rights, when.

And all the assholes the supported Bundy to start with…while they may have run away when he started being openly racist, but what they share in common is that deep down, the feel like they’re the Real Americans, and they get to dictate who gets what rights.

Bundy and his militiamen will eventually leave the stage, but this shit ain’t over. Half of Capitol Hill is selling the same resentment.

Fuckin’ nailed it.

93 freetoken  May 2, 2014 7:52:58pm

It’s just so stereotypical for the mistress to come to her sugar daddy’s defense.

94 Gus  May 2, 2014 7:54:27pm

re: #93 freetoken

It’s just so stereotypical for the mistress to come to her sugar daddy’s defense.

95 freetoken  May 2, 2014 7:55:38pm

re: #94 Gus

I wonder if Barbara can get the wife on too.

96 calochortus  May 2, 2014 7:57:40pm

re: #95 freetoken

I wonder if Barbara can get the wife on too.

With the mistress? That sounds more like Jerry Springer.

97 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 7:58:10pm

re: #90 Sionainn

LOL. Can you imagine if this president did that?

The shit would well and truly hit the fan but the racist right and its media enablers have been begging for a showdown for a long time. They are determined to re-institute; indeed, expand; the localized tyranny of the Jim Crow era and the unfettered exploitation of the Gilded Age (see Ghost of a Flea’s #91) . The showdown cannot be avoided. It can be delayed, but not indefinitely.

98 freetoken  May 2, 2014 7:59:12pm

re: #96 calochortus

Think of the ratings.

99 jaunte  May 2, 2014 8:01:19pm
100 freetoken  May 2, 2014 8:02:30pm

The Snowjob snowjob get’s an AP story:

EDWARD SNOWDEN APPEARS VIA VIDEO AT TORONTO DEBATE

101 jaunte  May 2, 2014 8:07:31pm

re: #100 freetoken

“Snowden, who appeared via video link at Toronto’s Roy Thomson Hall during a semi-annual Munk debate, suggested that we pay no attention to Ukraine and Crimea.”

102 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 8:08:14pm

re: #101 jaunte

“Snowden, who appeared via video link at Toronto’s Roy Thomson Hall during a semi-annual Munk debate, suggested that we pay no attention to Ukraine and Crimea.”

Of course, pay no attention to what my Russian hosts are doing.

103 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 8:08:56pm

re: #101 jaunte

“Snowden, who appeared via video link at Toronto’s Roy Thomson Hall during a semi-annual Munk debate, suggested that we pay no attention to Ukraine and Crimea.”

Dudebros haven’t been paying attention for weeks, so why start now?

104 Gus  May 2, 2014 8:10:15pm

re: #101 jaunte

“Snowden, who appeared via video link at Toronto’s Roy Thomson Hall during a semi-annual Munk debate, suggested that we pay no attention to Ukraine and Crimea.”

Where’s that?

105 freetoken  May 2, 2014 8:10:38pm

re: #104 Gus

Where’s that?

Near Perth, of course.

106 simoom  May 2, 2014 8:13:10pm

re: #101 jaunte

“Snowden, who appeared via video link at Toronto’s Roy Thomson Hall during a semi-annual Munk debate, suggested that we pay no attention to Ukraine and Crimea.”

Snowden: “I don’t want public attention because I don’t want the story to be about me,”

107 Gus  May 2, 2014 8:14:22pm

re: #105 freetoken

Near Perth, of course.

Meant that I didn’t see that quote at the AP article.

108 jaunte  May 2, 2014 8:14:52pm

re: #107 Gus

I added everything after the comma.

109 Gus  May 2, 2014 8:16:28pm

re: #108 jaunte

I added everything after the comma.

Shucks. :D

110 klys  May 2, 2014 8:16:53pm

re: #86 Gus

Next week:

Lawsuit between Sterling’s wife and V. whats-her-face settled.

111 Gus  May 2, 2014 8:17:51pm
112 freetoken  May 2, 2014 8:18:24pm

Hayden should have done the entire “debate” in his Burns voice. It’s what that audience wanted to believe, anyway.

113 klys  May 2, 2014 8:20:26pm

For the culinary-inclined lizards, dinner tonight starts with this recipe for Maple-Mustard Glazed Chicken and makes the following changes:

Subbing in boneless center thin cut pork loin for the chicken (and cutting the oven time down to 7 minutes).

Switching to 1/8 - 1/4 cup chicken broth, 1 tbsp syrup, 2 tbsp cider vinegar, and 2 tbsp mustard.

You get just a hint of the sweetness, the mustard goes really well with the pork, and it’s really well cooked. I serve with roasted potatoes and veggies.

The husband says it’s one of his favorite ways of having pork and he’s from NC. (And he is actually honest with me about my cooking, because he has to eat it on a regular basis.)

114 jaunte  May 2, 2014 8:26:38pm

You’ve have fell for it!

115 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 8:26:57pm

re: #111 Gus

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Rest in Peace after a long and productive life. A good hard-working actor and a decent human being by most accounts.

116 simoom  May 2, 2014 8:27:09pm

Check out the comments on this CBS article:
CBS News Crew Blindfolded, Detained By Pro-Russian Forces In Ukraine

This has to have been linked to from somewhere as all the top comments are essentially variations on the reporters deserving it for carrying Obama’s water.

[edit: ah, it’s on Drudge.]

117 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 8:27:52pm

re: #114 jaunte

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You’ve have fell for it!

Yeah that couldn’t possibly be because of all the conservative politicians and pundits who wanted to turn Bundy into a folk hero before he embarrassed them by being an open racist.

118 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 8:29:47pm

re: #111 Gus

Reminds me. I joke and complain occasionally about my advanced age (65) but Mr. Zimbalest was that old in 1984. I may still have a lot of time.

119 jaunte  May 2, 2014 8:30:23pm

re: #111 Gus

Pretty amazing career. His wiki page shows he started in:
1946, Mr. and Mrs. North (TV movie)
and worked all the way to
2008, The Delivery (Dr. Engel)
en.wikipedia.org.

120 Gus  May 2, 2014 8:31:58pm

re: #119 jaunte

Pretty amazing career. His wiki page show he started in:
1946, Mr. and Mrs. North (TV movie)
and worked all the way to
2008, The Delivery (Dr. Engel)
en.wikipedia.org.

For a while there seemed like every other week there was something on TV, “starring, Efrem Zimbalist, Jr.”

121 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 2, 2014 8:32:08pm

re: #113 klys

For the culinary-inclined lizards, dinner tonight starts with this recipe for Maple-Mustard Glazed Chicken and makes the following changes:

Subbing in boneless center thin cut pork loin for the chicken (and cutting the oven time down to 7 minutes).

Switching to 1/8 - 1/4 cup chicken broth, 1 tbsp syrup, 2 tbsp cider vinegar, and 2 tbsp mustard.

You get just a hint of the sweetness, the mustard goes really well with the pork, and it’s really well cooked. I serve with roasted potatoes and veggies.

The husband says it’s one of his favorite ways of having pork and he’s from NC. (And he is actually honest with me about my cooking, because he has to eat it on a regular basis.)

Lucky guy. I am sure you remind of this fact often. ;-)

122 jaunte  May 2, 2014 8:32:53pm

re: #120 Gus

I can still hear the announcer declaiming “A QUINN MARTIN PRODUCTION.”

123 The Ghost of a Flea  May 2, 2014 8:33:13pm

re: #119 jaunte

as the voice behind the character Alfred Pennyworth in Batman: The Animated Series and its numerous spin-offs.

He was an awesome Alfred. RIP

124 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 8:33:46pm

re: #113 klys

For the culinary-inclined lizards, dinner tonight starts with this recipe for Maple-Mustard Glazed Chicken and makes the following changes:

Subbing in boneless center thin cut pork loin for the chicken (and cutting the oven time down to 7 minutes).

Switching to 1/8 - 1/4 cup chicken broth, 1 tbsp syrup, 2 tbsp cider vinegar, and 2 tbsp mustard.

You get just a hint of the sweetness, the mustard goes really well with the pork, and it’s really well cooked. I serve with roasted potatoes and veggies.

The husband says it’s one of his favorite ways of having pork and he’s from NC. (And he is actually honest with me about my cooking, because he has to eat it on a regular basis.)

Damn that sounds good.

125 klys  May 2, 2014 8:34:29pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

Damn that sounds good.

It has been fantastic. Twice now.

126 Gus  May 2, 2014 8:35:37pm

re: #122 jaunte

I can still hear the announcer declaiming “A QUINN MARTIN PRODUCTION.”

Then after the last set of commercials… EPILOGUE.

127 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 8:37:32pm

re: #125 klys

It has been fantastic. Twice now.

I bet.

128 klys  May 2, 2014 8:47:16pm

I am posting this here for the Lizards interested in WWII - Japan’s War in Color. Color video of WWII from the Japanese perspective.

The husband and I actually just ordered it on DVD from Amazon (2005 documentary) and so I haven’t watched the whole thing, but I thought some other folks might be interested.

Youtube Video

129 teleskiguy  May 2, 2014 8:47:34pm

42 years ago today our species became a little nicer.

130 palomino  May 2, 2014 8:48:20pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

And it will continue to drop as Boomers retire from the workforce. But that won’t stop wingnuts from harping on the drops…at least until a Republican is in the White House, when they’ll remember that they didn’t give a damn about such statistics when the last Republican was in office.

Exactly. How often do you even hear this stat discussed unless as a cudgel to hit Obama?

131 Gus  May 2, 2014 8:48:40pm
132 Gus  May 2, 2014 8:49:04pm
133 teleskiguy  May 2, 2014 8:58:01pm

Huh. It was on this day the J. Edgar Hoover and Joseph McCarthy died, years apart of course. 2 May is a pretty good day.

134 William Barnett-Lewis  May 2, 2014 9:00:23pm

re: #133 teleskiguy

Pity both didn’t die a day sooner. Would have given the people even more reason to celebrate… ;)

135 palomino  May 2, 2014 9:00:51pm

re: #86 Gus

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Sure, because we all know lots of non-racists who just incidentally happen to hate being seen with blacks, Hispanics, Jews, etc. Right?

I can believe his girlfriend (who has plenty of motive to say he’s not racist, as she might be in line for a nifty settlement from Sterling if she agrees to destroy the 100 additional hours of tapes she has of him).

Or I can believe my lying ears. The only way we can judge what’s “in his heart” is to go by what comes out of his mouth.

136 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 9:00:58pm

re: #133 teleskiguy

Huh. It was on this day the J. Edgar Hoover and Joseph McCarthy died, years apart of course. 2 May is a pretty good day.

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Also my SiL’s b-day.

137 Amory Blaine  May 2, 2014 9:04:18pm

138 Amory Blaine  May 2, 2014 9:07:12pm

My little brother moved in today. Starts his new job on Monday I’m very happy for him.

139 Tigger2  May 2, 2014 9:07:59pm

re: #132 Gus

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That is so cute,

140 Tigger2  May 2, 2014 9:08:46pm

re: #137 Amory Blaine

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I have a cat just like that one, I get so damn mad at him,

141 Amory Blaine  May 2, 2014 9:09:31pm

142 Amory Blaine  May 2, 2014 9:09:56pm

Youtube Video

143 Amory Blaine  May 2, 2014 9:12:36pm

I dithered this down for our purposes.

144 Amory Blaine  May 2, 2014 9:16:42pm

145 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 9:16:48pm

re: #128 klys

I am posting this here for the Lizards interested in WWII - Japan’s War in Color. Color video of WWII from the Japanese perspective.

The husband and I actually just ordered it on DVD from Amazon (2005 documentary) and so I haven’t watched the whole thing, but I thought some other folks might be interested.

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Video

Thank you for posting this. I remember Japan as a land of color. I was there in the mid 1950s, just a few years after these films were made.

146 klys  May 2, 2014 9:20:35pm

re: #145 Shiplord Kirel

Thank you for posting this. I remember Japan as a land of color. I was there in the mid 1950s, just a few years after these films were made.

I’m glad you’re enjoying this!

My aunt was actually born at Misawa Air Force Base, during one of my grandfather’s tours (he had two up there). When my neighbors visited, she talked about when she was growing up and her dad was stationed over there, and how different it was.

I suspect it’s very different now, in some really important ways. I’m glad I’ve gotten to go and see it, but it’s so neat to see the history.

147 Amory Blaine  May 2, 2014 9:22:51pm

I thought shit was going to be cool for a while when this happened.
Youtube Video

I was a kid though I thought I knew some shit.

148 klys  May 2, 2014 9:23:46pm

So far, the science in this one has been vaguely accurate.

Or at least, I’ve felt less compelled to throw things.

Youtube Video

149 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 9:24:05pm

re: #133 teleskiguy

Huh. It was on this day the J. Edgar Hoover and Joseph McCarthy died, years apart of course. 2 May is a pretty good day.

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With all the alcohol in his system he is probably perfectly preserved. RWNJ revisionists like Ann Coulter might want to exhume McCarthy and put him on public display like the commies did Lenin.

150 Amory Blaine  May 2, 2014 9:26:35pm

We totally fucked up the USSR intervention.

151 William Barnett-Lewis  May 2, 2014 9:28:22pm

re: #150 Amory Blaine

We totally fucked up the USSR intervention.

Which one? Arkhangelsk? Vladivostok? The Czech Legion? All those? One I’m forgetting?

152 Egregious Philbin  May 2, 2014 9:28:45pm

Time to round up these inbreds and disburse them back to the trailer parks from which they came.

153 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 9:29:40pm

Though not well known, Helen Gandy was one of the major figures of the Hoover era at the FBI. She was J. Edgar’s personal secretary for an amazing 54 years, from 1918 until Hoover’s death in 1972. Like Hoover, she never married. She was completely devoted to him and the bureau and was reportedly responsible for destroying some of Hoover’s more incriminating files after his death. She herself died at 91 in 1988.

154 Amory Blaine  May 2, 2014 9:30:32pm

I’m talking about the fall of the USSR. We totally fucking neglected their transition period, fucking it all up in my eyes.

155 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 9:32:03pm

I would not recommend an A-10 strike on a Bundy roadblock, political fuss and all, but it would not be illegal, especially if it is a federal highway being blocked.

156 William Barnett-Lewis  May 2, 2014 9:35:06pm

re: #154 Amory Blaine

I’m talking about the fall of the USSR. We totally fucking neglected their transition period, fucking it all up in my eyes.

True enough, though all thing considered Gorby managed to do a better job than he might have despite the GOP. I mean, seriously, if you think how it went down was bad, at least Bush Sr was mentally competent. Had it happened a couple of years sooner, it could have been far worse.

157 Amory Blaine  May 2, 2014 9:37:45pm

I was disappointed. All that propaganda I grew up with about how bad it was and here we were able to take the initiative to help set up valid voting places etc. and we didn’t do shit.

158 William Barnett-Lewis  May 2, 2014 9:37:52pm

re: #155 Shiplord Kirel

I would not recommend an A-10 strike on a Bundy roadblock, political fuss and all, but it would not be illegal, especially if it is a federal highway being blocked.

Meh, the rounds for the GAU-8 cost too much to waste on them. Put up a blockade around the place, don’t allow anyone or anything in. Jam their TV & radio. When they come out arrest them. If they claim to be sovereign citizens turn them over to INS for deportation. Otherwise prosecute for all outstanding felonies and make sure NICS knows they’re prohibited persons.

159 Gus  May 2, 2014 9:39:06pm

These people are crazy.

160 Gus  May 2, 2014 9:42:09pm

The latest skirmish over the nation’s first smart gun, marked this week by death threats against a Maryland gun dealer…

161 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 9:43:19pm

re: #160 Gus

The latest skirmish over the nation’s first smart gun, marked this week by death threats against a Maryland gun dealer…

Death threats over a gun. Gun nuts need a new hobby. May I suggest something that doesn’t involve a deadly weapon?

162 Gus  May 2, 2014 9:44:49pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

Death threats over a gun. Gun nuts need a new hobby. May I suggest something that doesn’t involve a deadly weapon?

The latest skirmish over the nation’s first smart gun, marked this week by death threats against a Maryland gun dealer who wanted to sell the weapon, has raised doubts about its future and prompted some gun-control advocates to back away from legislative efforts to mandate the technology.

Engage Armament, a Rockville gun shop, endured an outpouring of vitriol from gun rights activists who fear the technology will be used to curtail their Second Amendment rights by limiting the kinds of guns they can buy in the future.

163 Gus  May 2, 2014 9:45:24pm

It’s a real drag how your really can’t buy a musket anymore.

164 klys  May 2, 2014 10:07:13pm

Ok, minor wife complaint.

I can’t hear my Youtube videos at my desk because his movie from the other room is making the closed door shake.

165 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 10:11:47pm

re: #163 Gus

It’s a real drag how your really can’t buy a musket anymore.

What’s really a drag is the number of totally insane assholes walking around these days.

166 Gus  May 2, 2014 10:13:32pm

re: #165 Skip Intro

What’s really a drag is the number of totally insane assholes walking around these days.

Ayep. Here, more crazies: UPDATE: Halal search option removed from Subway website due to staff safety concerns

167 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 10:20:05pm

re: #166 Gus

I wonder if having their own tv network and around 100,000 RWNJ talk radio and internet sites has anything to do with it?

168 Gus  May 2, 2014 10:22:17pm

re: #167 Skip Intro

I wonder if having their own tv network and around 100,000 RWNJ talk radio and internet sites has anything to do with it?

Probably a combination. The crazies were always there. Now we have this information at our fingertips. Domestically we have the first black president. Post 9/11, bigotry was mainstreamed again starting with Muslims. Etc.

169 TedStriker  May 2, 2014 10:26:01pm

re: #133 teleskiguy

Huh. It was on this day the J. Edgar Hoover and Joseph McCarthy died, years apart of course. 2 May is a pretty good day.

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That’s a hard-looking 48…

170 The Ghost of a Flea  May 2, 2014 10:30:07pm

re: #168 Gus

Probably a combination. The crazies were always there. Now we have this information at our fingertips. Domestically we have the first black president. Post 9/11, bigotry was mainstreamed again starting with Muslims. Etc.

Another thing we’ve seen is the mainstreaming of conspiracy theories, such that they’re in the mouths of our legislators. Also, they’ve become cross-indexed to a degree that instead of a series of tiny fringe groups, you’ve got an enclosed worldview with a market share.

International Bankers plus UN plus Creeping Shariah plus socialism plus an assortment of talking points from “evangelical” apocalypticism.

171 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 10:40:27pm

Also see littlegreenfootballs.com, because while to sane people it’s just something to laugh at, for 10s or 100s of thousands of people it’s all true, every word of it.

172 Amory Blaine  May 2, 2014 11:11:00pm

Youtube Video

173 freetoken  May 2, 2014 11:15:16pm

Party of God, indeed:

GOP lawmaker: Gay sex is ‘one-way alley for the garbage truck’

A Republican state lawmaker and Christian leader from South Dakota has written a letter warning of what he calls the dangers of gay sex, titled “A One-Way Alley for the Garbage Truck.”

Rep. Steve Hickey, a Republican representing Sioux Falls, wrote to the Sioux Falls Argus Leader because he is upset that South Dakota’s same-sex marriage ban is being challenged in federal court.

Hickey writes that his anti-gay missive is “an open letter to the medical and psychological communities” seeking affirmation of his view that “gay sex is not good for the body or mind.”

“Pardon a crude comparison, but regarding men with men, we are talking about a one-way alley meant only for the garbage truck to go down,” he writes, calling on the state’s doctors to “come out of the closet” and not “feel silenced and intimidated.”

[…]

Re-messaging at its best.

174 freetoken  May 2, 2014 11:26:09pm

Romneys - no one really wants them around, but they don’t seem to want to go into the woodwork:

Ann Romney remembers Olympics, urges SUU grads to read Bible

[…]

Keeping with the theme of traditional values, she encouraged the students to look to the Bible.

“The Bible works, so do what it says. You may not believe, like I do, the Bible was inspired by God, but if not, you’d surely have to admit it was written by some greatest philosophers and thinkers in history,” she said. “Either way, it’s worth paying a good deal of attention to what it has to say.”

[…]

Well, it was at the Southern Utah University’s commencement, so I suppose lots of religious people are there. No Book of Mormon though, which is probably also strong there.

175 freetoken  May 2, 2014 11:31:38pm

More on the Party of God - down in Texastan, Patrick, one time acolyte and now challenger to Dewhurst, explains why Dewhurst brought him up into the political stratosphere:

Dewhurst, Patrick debate character

[…]

Patrick said Dewhurst trusted him enough to name him chairman of the Senate Education Committee.

“He counted on me to get the job done this session,” Patrick said of Dewhurst. In citing his own legislative achievements, Patrick cited first posting “In God We Trust” in the Texas Senate and adding “under God” to the state pledge.

[…]

Party of God, indeed.

176 freetoken  May 2, 2014 11:36:40pm

So, why do GOP candidates go all God-talk on the trail?

Because that’s the base they have cultured, and their base wants moar God:

Emphasizing a personal approach, GOP Senate hopeful Mark Harris converts voters one at a time

[…]

Republican Dorothy Cherry, a 74-year-old retiree from Stedman, who heard Harris preach years ago at her church, came to shake his hand. “I know he’s a Christian,” she said later, when asked why she was supporting him. “My first thing is he has the qualities (needed), he has a good reputation and he believes in God. I just think this country needs God in their lives.”

[…]

177 The Ghost of a Flea  May 2, 2014 11:40:01pm

re: #176 freetoken

So, why do GOP candidates go all God-talk on the trail?

Because that’s the base they have cultured, and their base wants moar God:

Emphasizing a personal approach, GOP Senate hopeful Mark Harris converts voters one at a time

Also, that whole theology where virtue is not encoded in actions and conviction, but in saying magic words.

179 Gus  May 2, 2014 11:46:14pm
180 Gus  May 2, 2014 11:49:48pm

“It’s no longer based on the traditional practice of targeted taps based on some individual suspicion of wrongdoing…It covers phone calls, emails, texts, search history, what you buy, who your friends are, where you go, who you love.”

181 Gus  May 2, 2014 11:52:55pm
182 freetoken  May 3, 2014 12:02:28am

re: #181 Gus

The whole Monk “Debate” was a setup, a pretense, or in GG’s own word, a pretext for something else.

183 freetoken  May 3, 2014 12:06:10am

Contra to Charles’ evaluation of the film, Ken Ham is in love with it:

Who’s Going To Hate the Film A Matter of Faith?

Atheists and compromising Christians are going to hate A Matter of Faith! It’s a great new movie! If you’ve followed my blog or the AiG website for very long at all, you know that we don’t endorse very many movies—not even many of those that are supposedly “Christian” based. But we are getting fully behind A Matter of Faith!

[…]

184 Gus  May 3, 2014 12:07:21am

re: #182 freetoken

The whole Monk “Debate” was a setup, a pretense, or in GG’s own word, a pretext for something else.

A debate that included a video by Snowden. No presentations from the other side. I’m willing to accept that choosing Hayden and Dershowitz was a week choice. Most everyone spoke in vague terms with little specifics. A lot of known unknowns and fear building by Greenwald. Straw men from both sides. Pleading to emotion from Greenwald at one point.

185 freetoken  May 3, 2014 12:25:55am

re: #184 Gus

It’s all so dishonest. The whole debate was just a pretext, to use that term accurately. It was to give Snowden more time before eyes, to repeat his previous lies.

The actual proposition was barely debated at all.

186 Gus  May 3, 2014 12:26:02am

Bed. Later.

187 freetoken  May 3, 2014 12:26:07am

MP3 Audio

188 Gus  May 3, 2014 12:26:26am

re: #185 freetoken

It’s all so dishonest. The whole debate was just a pretext, to use that term accurately. It was to give Snowden more time before eyes, to repeat his previous lies.

The actual proposition was barely debated at all.

Yep. Hasta later.

189 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2014 1:58:33am

I think a lot of Americans are asking, “Who the hell are these nutty-assed people and where the hell is Bunkerville?”

re: #184 Gus

A debate that included a video by Snowden. No presentations from the other side. I’m willing to accept that choosing Hayden and Dershowitz was a week choice. Most everyone spoke in vague terms with little specifics. A lot of known unknowns and fear building by Greenwald. Straw men from both sides. Pleading to emotion from Greenwald at one point.

Now I understand why, having come in a bit later, when it had already started, I couldn’t understand why they actually called it a “debate”.

190 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2014 2:03:41am

re: #181 Gus

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He did that, didn’t he? “We” being the US govt, or “We, the People”, if he really wants to get Constitutional about it.

Of course, we know these dudebros don’t really care about the rest of us, it’s my career they’re really worried about.

Snowden got himself his 15 minutes and is attempting to stretch it into another 15 minutes, as any dudebro worth his salt would do.

191 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2014 2:04:48am

I think Greensnow and the Bundy Bunch should have an affair. They’re pretty much on the same page.

192 Kragar  May 3, 2014 2:16:22am
193 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2014 2:25:56am

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

Gaston Glock buys wife $15 million horse

Ann Romney is probably berating Mitt over this story as we speak, since the horse he bought her didn’t win a medal, and she didn’t get to pick out the White House china like he promised her, either.

Glock didn’t just buy a horse, he bought a wife, too, didn’t he?

“Glock has three children out of his former marriage with Helga Glock. In 2011, he divorced and married then 31-year old Kathrin Tschikof, who was one of his nurses after his stroke in 2008.[2] He suffered a second stroke in 2012 according to Josh Dorsey of Glock, Inc. of Smyrna, Georgia.[3]”

en.wikipedia.org

194 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2014 2:27:21am

re: #192 Kragar

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Christonacrutch, they haven’t declared Roy Moore mentally insane and incompetent yet?

195 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2014 2:40:22am

Things are just getting worse in Ukraine.

kyivpost.com

Death toll rises in Odessa; 144 detained in investigation

“According to Interfax Ukraine news services, the death toll in Odessa has reached 46 people killed during clashes and a fire on May 2, Odessa Oblast prosecutor Ihor Borshuliak told reporters at a press conference on Saturday. He said that law enforcement officers have launched several inquiries, including into police professional negligence. A total of 144 persons have been detained as a part of criminal proceedings. According to the Odessa City Council, as of 9 a.m. on May 3, 214 people came to hospitals of Odessa. Of this number, 88 have been hospitalized, including a 17-year-old boy. “— Brian Bonner

196 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2014 2:42:31am
197 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 3, 2014 2:43:15am

re: #183 freetoken

Contra to Charles’ evaluation of the film, Ken Ham is in love with it:

Who’s Going To Hate the Film A Matter of Faith?

That’s all I need to know. This movie will be utter nonsense.

198 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2014 2:47:59am

Will Alabama send the money and help back saying God will provide for those who help themselves?

President Obama signs disaster declaration for Alabama after severe storms bring tornadoes, flooding to state - @WhiteHouse
end of alert

199 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2014 3:23:18am

Ukrainian Security Services: ‘Illegal’ military groups from Moldova’s breakaway Transdniestria region were involved in fighting in Odessa on side of pro-Russian groups - @Reuters

200 Decatur Deb  May 3, 2014 3:50:31am

re: #178 Gus

Everyone is under surveillance now, says whistleblower Edward Snowden

And he’s not even married.

201 Decatur Deb  May 3, 2014 3:52:07am

re: #198 Justanotherhuman

Will Alabama send the money and help back saying God will provide for those who help themselves?

President Obama signs disaster declaration for Alabama after severe storms bring tornadoes, flooding to state - @WhiteHouse
end of alert

Well, we sent back enough Yankee money to provide Medicaid to a couple hundred thousand of the uninsured poor.

202 Decatur Deb  May 3, 2014 3:55:18am

re: #194 Justanotherhuman

Christonacrutch, they haven’t declared Roy Moore mentally insane and incompetent yet?

Alabama politician. “Insane” is one of his core competencies.

203 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 3, 2014 4:12:16am

re: #192 Kragar

Alabama’s chief justice: Buddha didn’t create us so First Amendment only protects Christians

weapons-grade stupid and not just some goombah at a town hall meeting, this is the Chief Justice…

204 Decatur Deb  May 3, 2014 4:14:37am

re: #203 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

weapons-grade stupid and not just some goombah at a town hall meeting, this is the Chief Justice…

Alabamans kicked him out over this. Then the other Alabamans re-elected him.

205 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 3, 2014 4:40:48am

OT, but, us isn’t that like advocating socialism?

Newt Gingrich: Clippers Should Be Publicly Owned

206 A Mom Anon  May 3, 2014 5:00:20am

So why aren’t these fools in jail yet? I don’t know, but I’m guessing that if I decided I didn’t need no stinking government and threatened federal officers, tried to shut down roads and make people show me ID before they could pass and made bomb and death threats someone would throw my ass into jail and recommend a psych evaluation. Why do these dolts get a pass? This shit has been dragging on for WAY too long now, it needs to be wrapped up before someone who has nothing to do with this mess gets hurt.

I think if I lived there I’d be trying to get my neighbors on board with demanding someone in authority step in and put and end to this bullshit.

207 Dark_Falcon  May 3, 2014 5:04:58am

re: #157 Amory Blaine

I was disappointed. All that propaganda I grew up with about how bad it was and here we were able to take the initiative to help set up valid voting places etc. and we didn’t do shit.

Nobody really wanted to ‘do’ anything and it happened fairly quickly. It’s not like Boris Yeltsin wanted our help, either. To the contrary, he wanted to make sure his own position in Russia was secure and honest transition elections would have put his position at risk.

208 Dark_Falcon  May 3, 2014 5:09:08am

re: #206 A Mom Anon

They aren’t in jail because trying to arrest scores of armed men in one place at one time tends to end in a bloody fashion unless you bring in overwhelming force. And the problem with overwhelming force is that news of its buildup tends to leak. whereupon the militia would either disperse or be reinforced. Dispersal would be the smart option, but most of Bundy’s fans aren’t that smart tactically or operationally.

209 Eventual Carrion  May 3, 2014 5:23:13am

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

They aren’t in jail because trying to arrest scores of armed men in one place at one time tends to end in a bloody fashion unless you bring in overwhelming force. And the problem with overwhelming force is that news of its buildup tends to leak. whereupon the militia would either disperse or be reinforced. Dispersal would be the smart option, but most of Bundy’s fans aren’t that smart tactically or operationally.

If this group had robbed a bank and were holed up there, what would be happening right now (well actually well before now)?

210 Dr. Matt  May 3, 2014 5:33:48am

An oldie but a goodie

211 GlutenFreeJesus  May 3, 2014 5:39:50am

This may be a case of “give them enough rope”. These thugs won’t go unpunished by the rule of law.

212 Dark_Falcon  May 3, 2014 5:40:03am

re: #209 Eventual Carrion

If this group had robbed a bank and were holed up there, what would be happening right now (well actually well before now)?

If the Bundys had robbed a bank instead of stiffed the BLM for grazing fees, the political aspects of this situation would be non-existant. They’d simply be lawbreakers and there would be nobody even semi-respectable rallying behind them.

213 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2014 5:40:23am

These people who are “discussing” (actually, not) the “debate” last night are saying such brilliant things as Hayden and Dershowitz are pushing fear simply because they stated that there could be another terrorist attack? Which, if I’m not mistaken, plans for which have already been uncovered more than once?

Just because we don’t necessarily hear about every single instance of terrorism that was stopped in the planning stages doesn’t mean it didn’t exist.

Do those “discussing” this live in Utopia or something? Brilliant observations, like ” Dershowitz, what a shitty lawyer. His whole shtick is fear.” from “Darth Anubis” who is probably a sitting in his mom’s basement with his Cheetos and Cokes and has never had a responsible moment in his life.

plus.google.com

214 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2014 5:44:06am

More tragedy in Afghanistan.

Afghan villagers pray over the site of a landslide where 350 people died and thousands are still missing -@shahmarai - @AFPphoto
see original on twitter.com

215 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 3, 2014 5:44:21am

re: #213 Justanotherhuman

The funny thing is that Dershowitz actually said several times that there needs to be less bulk collection and greater controls. His was the “don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater” argument.

216 Romantic Heretic  May 3, 2014 5:46:03am

re: #53 Mattand

That’s what’s pissing me off to no end. I imagine trying to leave my house to run to the grocery store, and being prevented by some armed thugs with no official authority.

It’s infuriating. Why this isn’t a bigger deal in the news right now is beyond me.

[wingnut]Badges? We don’ need no stinkin’ badges![wingnut]

217 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2014 5:47:53am

re: #215 Rev_Arthur_Belling

The funny thing is that Dershowitz actually said several times that there needs to be less bulk collection and greater controls. His was the “don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater” argument.

Yes, but when you’ve latched on to a “hero” being pushed by those like GG & Co, you tend to accept the argument without thinking whatsoever.

It’s pure hero worship over there, and damn the “other side”.

I don’t see much difference in the People of Bundy Ranch & those jokers.

218 ericblair  May 3, 2014 5:51:41am

re: #216 Romantic Heretic

[wingnut]Badges? We don’ need no stinkin’ badges![wingnut]

First thing these freedom-lovin’ patriots do is demand everybody show their ID papers at gunpoint.

219 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2014 5:58:21am

This is absolutely the height of cynicism and lack of responsibility for what he’s doing in Ukraine.

Vladimir Putin: “deep condolences to the relatives of those killed and burnt alive in Odessa and wished fast recovery to those who were injured as a result of punitive actions of Kiev authorities” - @KremlinRussia_E
read more on kremlin.ru

220 Jay in Oregon  May 3, 2014 5:59:31am

re: #123 The Ghost of a Flea

He was an awesome Alfred. RIP

I remember him as Alfred on Batman: The Animated Series and Justice League, and as William Edgars on Babylon 5.

221 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2014 6:01:13am

re: #219 Justanotherhuman

At the same time as the head of Ukraine’s anti-terrorism center is saying this:

Head of Ukraine’s anti-terrorist center tells news conference: “what we are facing in the Donetsk region and in the eastern regions is not just some kind of short-lived uprising, it is in fact a war” - @Reuters via @ITVNews
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222 NJDhockeyfan  May 3, 2014 6:19:48am

re: #196 Justanotherhuman

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Here is a video if the fire and what led up to it.

Youtube Video

223 darthstar  May 3, 2014 6:26:24am
224 NJDhockeyfan  May 3, 2014 6:29:41am
225 Dark_Falcon  May 3, 2014 6:29:41am

re: #215 Rev_Arthur_Belling

The funny thing is that Dershowitz actually said several times that there needs to be less bulk collection and greater controls. His was the “don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater” argument.

True. Alan Dershowitz tends to make arguments and proposals that do not carry things to their (illogical) extremes. This requires him to explain things in detail and occasionally use nuance, and that leaves him disliked by those whose shouted slogan is “Purity Now!”. Thus he is often hated by both Moonbats and Wingnuts.

226 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 6:31:02am

Gay Republican Runs Against The LGBT Lobby

He’s the first major candidate to put his partner in a campaign ad. Why are pro-gay groups against him?

227 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 6:38:42am

re: #222 NJDhockeyfan

Here is a video if the fire and what led up to it.

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I watched ground level video of that on the live stream yesterday. A couple things you can’t see in you video: There were people in those tents when the crowd first arrives, they were chased off. At 1:30 in your video the crowd quickly retreats. That was a response from a quick burst of gunfire from the building, maybe from the group of guys on the roof.

228 Skip Intro  May 3, 2014 6:44:14am

re: #203 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

weapons-grade stupid and not just some goombah at a town hall meeting, this is the Chief Justice…

This the guy who installed the “Christian” Ten Commandments in the courthouse.

So I guess it’s fuck you too, Jews, America’s laws only protect us Christians (as long as you’re the right kind of Christian, that it).

229 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 3, 2014 6:45:32am

re: #226 Killgore Trout

Gay Republican Runs Against The LGBT Lobby

Answer: Because he didn’t speak out against any anti-gay legislation, like Prop 8, and took money from supporters of prop 8.

Gee, how unpredictable.

230 NJDhockeyfan  May 3, 2014 6:45:44am
231 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 6:46:36am

Also the initial evacuation of people from the building was pretty ugly. As victims were being dragged out some in the crowd were beating them while others were putting on bandages. Not a pretty sight.

232 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 6:48:28am

Graphic: Aftermath scene of “House of Trade Unions”.
Read more at Liveleak Video

(WARNING: very graphic)

233 Dark_Falcon  May 3, 2014 7:01:38am

re: #230 NJDhockeyfan

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What the Feline Overlords decide, the Human Staff is powerless to set asunder.

234 Flounder  May 3, 2014 7:05:52am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

I’m assuming the dead are pro-Russians, I wander if this will be the catalyst for a full scale war?

235 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 7:13:06am

re: #234 Flounder

I’m assuming the dead are pro-Russians, I wander if this will be the catalyst for full scale war?

Yeah, I think the pro-Russian guys were in the Trade Union. Putin is looking for an excuse to send in troops for “security” reasons, he’s had plenty of excuses already so he’ll send in the troops when he’s ready. He also needs Odessa as a port city because he’s planning on taking over Transnistria eventually.

236 William Barnett-Lewis  May 3, 2014 7:17:16am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

More KT violence porn? No surprise.

237 darthstar  May 3, 2014 7:24:54am
238 NJDhockeyfan  May 3, 2014 7:25:59am
239 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 7:26:35am

Factbox - Ukraine says groups from Moldova’s Transdniestria stir unrest in Odessa

Ukraine’s SBU security service says illegal military groups from Moldova’s breakaway Transdniestria region worked with Russian groups to stir up unrest in the Ukrainian Black Sea city of Odessa, where dozens died in clashes on Friday.

It was not the first time largely Russian-speaking Transdniestria, a strip of Moldova bordering Ukraine and less than 100 km (62 miles) from Odessa, has been drawn into the crisis.

NATO’s top military commander said in late March that the separatist region, which declared its independence in 1990, could be next in Russia’s sights after its annexation of Crimea earlier in the month.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said last month the people of Transdniestria, who have voted in a referendum in favour of joining Russia one day, should have the right to decide their own fate, though he stressed the need for negotiation.

240 darthstar  May 3, 2014 7:27:03am
241 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 7:28:11am

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Yup

The pro Russians are agitating in various eastern Ukraine cities forcing the Ukrainian forces to react, which will most likely lead Putin to mobilize units to,,,,
protect the defenseless poor pro Russians from the overwhelming Ukraine forces!!!!

Said it yesterday. Putin is going to use the monies owed to Russia (for the gas exports) to carve off a portion of eastern Ukraine as a “security buffer zone”

242 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 7:33:44am

re: #241 sattv4u2

Ukraine has launched a military assault on the flashpoint town of Slavyansk, raising the stakes in the showdown with Russia, which has promised “catastrophic consequences” if Kiev stepped up operations.
telegraph.co.uk

243 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 7:33:56am

re: #241 sattv4u2

Yup

The pro Russians are agitating in various eastern Ukraine cities forcing the Ukrainian forces to react, which will most likely lead Putin to mobilize units to,,,,
protect the defenseless poor pro Russians from the overwhelming Ukraine forces!!!!

Said it yesterday. Putin is going to use the monies owed to Russia (for the gas exports) to carve off a portion of eastern Ukraine as a “security buffer zone”

I’m starting to get nervous about how ambitious Putin is going to get. I have been thinking he’s rational and knows how far to push without serious reprisals from the West. But he has a lot of territory he wants, I don’t know how far he’s going to go.

244 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 7:36:58am

Putin the Predictable

The danger today is that Putin’s fake separatist movement could take on a life of its own. The alarming footage on Russian TV of “Kiev’s punitive action against its own people” may force people in eastern Ukraine, who never even considered secession, to take sides. The Kremlin’s main goal is to rush through a referendum on independence on May 11 and undermine Ukrainian presidential elections scheduled two weeks later.

If there’s bloodshed among the separatists before the referendum, Putin has reserved his “right” to intervene militarily in Ukraine. And if some kind of vote does take place, the Kremlin will be able to use it as the legal basis to send in “peacekeepers.” In a matter of days, it may not even matter if the separatists were real or not.

245 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 7:37:43am

re: #243 Killgore Trout

I’m starting to get nervous about how ambitious Putin is going to get. I have been thinking he’s rational and knows how far to push without serious reprisals from the West. But he has a lot of territory he wants, I don’t know how far he’s going to go.

Follow the money!

he doesn’t want the EU to cut him off totally wrt buying gas, but he will use what they (and the Ukraine) owe Gazprom as a HUGE bargaining chip to slice off a piece of the Ukraine in the name of protecting the large Russian presence there

246 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 7:44:50am

re: #244 Killgore Trout

my guess

Putin will try to negotiate an area of the Ukraine that while not totally “separate”, will have Russian “security” forces there “protecting” them

If you look at a map, my guess is that area would be rather large. Make a straight line from the furthest southeast corner of the Belarus/ Ukraine border straight down to Odessa

247 thedopefishlives  May 3, 2014 7:55:29am

Morning Lizardim.

248 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 7:56:56am

re: #247 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizar dim.

hey now

I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but you don’t have to insult me!!!

249 thedopefishlives  May 3, 2014 8:01:01am

re: #248 sattv4u2

hey now

I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but you don’t have to insult me!!!

Not insulting. We’re all pretty dim until we get our mid-morning bask in.

250 Dr. Matt  May 3, 2014 8:02:42am

Phil Mushnick: Donald Sterling Was Lynched

As deadspin as demonstrated over the years (follow link for more links)…..”New York Post hack Phil Mushnick is a race-baiting troll whose job is basically to come as close to just filing a column consisting of the word “moulignan” written out 800 times as he can without getting fired. Anyway, he’s weighed in on the Donald Sterling affair, and his takeaway is that Sterling was lynched. There’s some shit in there about how Jalen Rose and Drake are the real racists, etc., but really, that’s it, the main thing, the rhetorical core of the argument: Donald Sterling was lynched.”

[O]n Tuesday, the NBA set its social and racial sensitivity bar at its highest rung. It lynched a mean old fool who committed the crime of being overheard speaking like

251 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2014 8:02:55am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Graphic: Aftermath scene of “House of Trade Unions”.
Read more at [Embedded content]

(WARNING: very graphic)

I despise Live Leak for that; if, in fact, it’s the “aftermath” at the House of Trade Unions.

Let the victims have some dignity, for chrissakes.

252 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 3, 2014 8:08:58am

re: #243 Killgore Trout

I’m starting to get nervous about how ambitious Putin is going to get. I have been thinking he’s rational and knows how far to push without serious reprisals from the West. But he has a lot of territory he wants, I don’t know how far he’s going to go.

Make up your mind if you know what he’s planning or you’re nervous about it. You keep making predictions (that often fail to come true) and then retreating back to your ‘he might, he might not’ CNN style analysis.

253 Skip Intro  May 3, 2014 8:09:02am

re: #250 Dr. Matt

Phil Mushnick: Donald Sterling Was Lynched

As deadspin as demonstrated over the years (follow link for more links)…..”New York Post hack Phil Mushnick is a race-baiting troll whose job is basically to come as close to just filing a column consisting of the word “moulignan” written out 800 times as he can without getting fired. Anyway, he’s weighed in on the Donald Sterling affair, and his takeaway is that Sterling was lynched. There’s some shit in there about how Jalen Rose and Drake are the real racists, etc., but really, that’s it, the main thing, the rhetorical core of the argument: Donald Sterling was lynched.”

I now think the NBA should have mandated that Sterling, his wife, and his mistress(es) all attend every single Clippers game and sit right down in front for as long as he owns the team.

Let him bask in all of that fan love.

254 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 8:09:31am

re: #251 Justanotherhuman

I despise Live Leak for that; if, in fact, it’s the “aftermath” at the House of Trade Unions.

Let the victims have some dignity, for chrissakes.

The original title of the video is ” Graphic: Aftermath scene of “House of Trade Unions”. that was set on fire by radicals “. Liveleak is like youtube. It’s a hosting site for videos. There’s lots of propaganda posted by Syrians and Russians but it’s important to see what images and narratives the Russian media is showing. It’s ugly but it helps to understand what public reaction is going to be.

255 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 3, 2014 8:13:13am

re: #254 Killgore Trout

Liveleak is like youtube.

If YouTube was exclusively for goreporn.

256 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  May 3, 2014 8:14:22am

All I can say is “only in America.” These yahoos have no idea how lucky they are. Any other country would have fired on them and jailed them all. These guys are only able to behave so badly because we are a society that values their sorry-ass human lives.

I’m glad that the local and Federal government is taking it’s time. These guys aren’t going anywhere. What’s the rush? They are not very bright, however, and they may eventually hurt someone. I would hate to see that happen and it would put an end to this pseudo-cowboy tantrum. But it’s more likely that they will hurt each other as their paranoia starts to mount.

257 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 8:16:26am

re: #250 Dr. Matt

re: #253 Skip Intro

The mistress defends her meal ticket man

Stiviano said. “But through his actions he’s shown that he’s not a racist. He’s shown to be a very generous and kind man.”
abcnews.go.com

258 sauceruney  May 3, 2014 8:18:52am

Hopefully, while they’re playing soldiers at the Bundy ranch, the feds are getting warrants to search their homes.

259 Skip Intro  May 3, 2014 8:19:13am

re: #257 sattv4u2

The mistress defends her meal ticket man

Stiviano said. “But through his actions he’s shown that he’s not a racist. He’s shown to be a very generous and kind man.”
abcnews.go.com

Yeah, I think the $1.8 million he paid her shows that. The (ex?)wife doesn’t agree, though.

260 thedopefishlives  May 3, 2014 8:22:30am

re: #259 Skip Intro

Yeah, I think the $1.8 million he paid her shows that. The (ex?)wife doesn’t agree, though.

I think it was here, the other day, where someone linked an article where she denied ever sleeping with him. Yeah, men (even rich men) don’t just give $1.8 million in cash and gifts to women they’re not boinking.

261 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 8:23:47am

A worthwhile read….
Brian Bonner: The Kremlin revs up its PR war machine

After the deaths of 46 people in Odessa on May 2, the Kremlin keeps beating the war drums.

Moscow’s propaganda machine remains in full tilt, suggesting that a Russian military invasion is more likely than any de-escalation of the current conflict instigated by Russian President Vladimir Putin. If that is the case, America and Europe had better be prepared to impose tougher sanctions than the mild ones enacted thus far.

Of course, Moscow sees itself as a bunch of innocents.

Let’s break down the lies in a single statement by Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov:

262 Skip Intro  May 3, 2014 8:24:36am

re: #260 thedopefishlives

Sterling likes blowjobs. I’m sure she can do that for him, even if he only paid her $1.8 million.

263 thedopefishlives  May 3, 2014 8:27:06am

re: #262 Skip Intro

Sterling likes blowjobs. I’m sure she can do that for him, even if he only paid her $1.8 million.

It’s still sex, no matter what the kids call it these days. I’m sure his soon-to-be-ex wife would agree.

264 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 8:27:30am

re: #261 Killgore Trout

suggesting that a Russian military invasion is more likely than any de-escalation of the current conflict

Again, bluster about “invasions” and “”catastrophic consequences”, then, at the negotiating table settle for “well,, okay ,,, we’ll have our forces go in there as observers for security reasons only!!
Once the camels nose is under the tent ,,,,,,,,,,

265 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 8:28:14am

re: #263 thedopefishlives

It’s still sex, no matter what the kids call it these days. I’m sure his soon-to-be- EXTREMELY WEALTHY ex wife would agree.

ftfy

266 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 8:28:29am

Police say pro-Russians accidentally set fatal Odessa fire with Molotov cocktails
I have doubts about that. It’s possible but from the video I’ve seen the protesters were throwing around a a lot of flares and setting fire to the tents outside. I did see some shots coming from the building (probably the roof) but I didn’t seem them throwing molitovs.

267 Skip Intro  May 3, 2014 8:29:03am

re: #263 thedopefishlives

It’s still sex, no matter what the kids call it these days. I’m sure his soon-to-be-ex wife would agree.

She said she didn’t “sleep” with him. I can believe that.

268 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 8:29:31am

6:09 p.m. - Dozens of Russian Mig-29 and Su-27 fighter aircraft, and Tu-22 bombers were noticed in Crimea, reports inforesist.org, a website operated by Ukrainian military expert and blogger Dmitry Tymchuk.

Ukrainian state-owned news agency Ukrinform reports that the Russian aircraft were re-deployed due to the “situation in southeastern Ukraine.” They were moved from a Simferopol district airbase toward the western coast of the peninsula

Ukraine’s Security Service has stated that it expects increased Russian-backed subversive activity in Ukraine beyond Donetsk and Luhansk.

269 darthstar  May 3, 2014 8:32:57am

I love when people post “I’m doing research on X…” online, and when someone responds with a bit of information they come back with “Thanks, but I’m looking for actual articles by experts and academics on the subject…”

You’re not doing research. You’re asking others to do your research for you. Go to the library.

270 PhillyPretzel  May 3, 2014 8:34:33am

re: #269 darthstar

And even in the local library you can get the Librarians to do the “footwork” for you.

271 darthstar  May 3, 2014 8:35:50am

re: #270 PhillyPretzel

And even in the local library you can get the Librarians to do the “footwork” for you.

272 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 8:35:59am

re: #269 darthstar

I love when people post “I’m doing research on X…” online, and when someone responds with a bit of information they come back with “Thanks, but I’m looking for actual articles by experts and academics on the subject…”

You’re not doing research. You’re asking others to do your research for you. Go to the library.

heh

to todays generation a “library” is a place to go to that has free wi fi connections

273 darthstar  May 3, 2014 8:36:33am

re: #270 PhillyPretzel

And even in the local library you can get the Librarians to do the “footwork” for you.

A good librarian will lead you to the card catalog.

274 PhillyPretzel  May 3, 2014 8:37:32am

re: #273 darthstar

Yes. I know how to use one. Dad taught me how to use it. My teachers gave me the wrong directions.

275 calochortus  May 3, 2014 8:39:38am

re: #273 darthstar

A good librarian will lead you to the card catalog.

Or The Reader’s Guide to Periodical Literature. Those were the days…

276 PhillyPretzel  May 3, 2014 8:42:21am

re: #275 calochortus

Also do not forget dictionaries, encyclopedias and newspapers.

277 darthstar  May 3, 2014 8:42:23am

re: #275 calochortus

Or The Reader’s Guide to Periodical Literature. Those were the days…

That was a rich resource…I wish I’d remembered it instead of giving a generic library link.

278 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 8:46:09am

re: #273 darthstar

A good librarian will lead you to the card catalog.

One of the most dreaded classes in grad school was Bibliography. Dreadfully boring technical library and format stuff. But the professor was a genius He set up weekly scavenger hunts. I was majoring in Music History so questions were like “What is the name of a 16th century castrati (Male soprano singer who’s been castrated) that fathered 8 children?” It was really fun looking through all the obscure foreign language reference books to find all the historical oddities. I’ve loved libraries ever since.

279 Feline Fearless Leader  May 3, 2014 8:46:28am

re: #277 darthstar

That was a rich resource…I wish I’d remembered it instead of giving a generic library link.

I presume that for a lot of these people they’d think a Reader’s Guide to Prejudicial Literature would be more useful. A faster path to the chosen talking points.
//

280 calochortus  May 3, 2014 8:47:22am

re: #277 darthstar

That was a rich resource…I wish I’d remembered it instead of giving a generic library link.

And frustrating too-at least the card catalog told you what that library had-as opposed to a tantalizing article in a journal that no one within 50 miles of your location actually had.

281 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 8:48:31am

BTW, the Castrati was born with 3 testicles and they were required to remove 2 before their voices changed at 10-11 years old. He kept his high voice and was left with one working nut to have a family with.

282 calochortus  May 3, 2014 8:50:15am

Anyhoo, the coffee mug is empty and I’d better get started on today’s to-do list.

BBL

283 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2014 8:54:17am

Heh.

Rutgers University statement on Condoleezza Rice backing out of commencement speech: ‘While Rutgers University stands fully behind the invitation to Dr. Rice to be our commencement speaker and receive an honorary degree, we respect the decision she made and clearly articulated in her statement this morning’ - via @NBCNews
end of alert

284 Rightwingconspirator  May 3, 2014 8:54:46am

Happy Saturday!
Todays excursion-Find and photograph the California Condor. Kinda tough we don’t have the direction finders the Condor tour guides use. But hey it’s a nice day and the mountains up behind and north of Santa Barbara might just allow us a little luck.

285 GeneJockey  May 3, 2014 9:00:03am

Good morning from GeneJockey’s Goat Ranch and Home For Freaked Out Greyhounds!

The goats seem to eat the ivy as their last resort. They’re pushing over smaller trees (the place is lousy with plum and acacia volunteers), and even bamboo canes to eat the leaves. Halfway through their visit, they’ve done a lot of work!

The dogs will no longer go out back, even with our accompaniment. We’re having to walk them around the block a couple times a day, which gets Rango, the excitable boy, all wiggly and pogo-y. Poor Zeena just had a corn on one of the pads on her left foo hulled, so she’s limping, but really game to go on a walk, even if it’s just down the block till she, um, finishes her business.

286 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 9:01:18am

Pro-Russian activist shooting in Odessa

Pro-Russian activist shooting in Odessa behind the Ukrainian police
Some fat-ass Russian shooting at Ukrainians and the police protects him.

Read more at Liveleak Video

He definitely doesn’t look like one of Putin’s professional soldiers. Looks like he’s spent most of his time behind a desk eating perogies.

287 GeneJockey  May 3, 2014 9:01:49am

re: #282 calochortus

Anyhoo, the coffee mug is empty and I’d better get started on today’s to-do list.

BBL

1. Make list.

2. Make more coffee.

3. Sit back down and drink it.

4. Cross 1- 3 off list, take nap.

288 GeneJockey  May 3, 2014 9:04:14am

Mrs. Jockey points out that ‘Cross above item off list’ would throw you into an endless loop, so caution in compiling your list is advised.

289 Feline Fearless Leader  May 3, 2014 9:05:54am

re: #276 PhillyPretzel

Also do not forget dictionaries, encyclopedias and newspapers.

And atlases. Atlases are cool.

290 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 3, 2014 9:08:07am

re: #273 darthstar

A good librarian will lead you to the card catalog.

How quaint. I don’t think our library even has a card catalog anymore. It’s all computerized.

291 PhillyPretzel  May 3, 2014 9:12:16am

re: #290 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I have not seen one since college; and after asking where it (card catalog) was I was directed to a computer.

292 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 3, 2014 9:12:28am

re: #283 Justanotherhuman

Saw that a bit earlier. I’m amazed at some of the polarizing political types who do commencements. Of course, that is one area where the magical balance fairy would be active. Hillary Clinton could be seen as being as polarizing as Condaleeza Rice, I suppose. Although Rice arguably has more blood on her hands.

I’m still amazed Dropbox thought it would be a good idea to have Rice on their BoD.

293 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 3, 2014 9:14:29am

re: #280 calochortus

And frustrating too-at least the card catalog told you what that library had-as opposed to a tantalizing article in a journal that no one within 50 miles of your location actually had.

Inter-Library Loan FTW. It’s a bit more of a PITA and takes longer, but most things can be found somewhere. I’ve also found ILL will sometimes send PDFs of articles.

294 GeneJockey  May 3, 2014 9:18:11am

Mrs. J is a BIG fan of the library, and has learned how to do searches on the collection entirely online, get items delivered to our local branch, etc. I haven’t seen a card catalog at a library in years.

295 thedopefishlives  May 3, 2014 9:19:18am

re: #294 GeneJockey

Mrs. J is a BIG fan of the library, and has learned how to do searches on the collection entirely online, get items delivered to our local branch, etc. I haven’t seen a card catalog at a library in years.

Our local library probably has one because we’re so far out in the sticks. I haven’t stopped in to check; but I absolutely love going to the library. Books are my best friends.

296 NJDhockeyfan  May 3, 2014 9:52:33am
297 Lidane  May 3, 2014 9:55:06am

Heh.

298 Feline Fearless Leader  May 3, 2014 9:56:49am

re: #295 thedopefishlives

Our local library probably has one because we’re so far out in the sticks. I haven’t stopped in to check; but I absolutely love going to the library. Books are my best friends.

Game store I visit got an old set of wooden card catalog drawers that a library was disposing of since they’d gone to computers. Turns out to be a useful way to store Magic cards.

299 Varek Raith  May 3, 2014 9:56:58am

A P-51 just buzzed the neighborhood.

300 NJDhockeyfan  May 3, 2014 9:57:23am
301 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 9:57:30am

re: #296 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

Big transport planes. That’s a lot of gear on the move.

302 Decatur Deb  May 3, 2014 9:58:32am

re: #299 Varek Raith

A P-51 just buzzed the neighborhood.

I can give you a good deal on a barrage balloon.

303 NJDhockeyfan  May 3, 2014 9:59:30am

re: #301 Killgore Trout

Big transport planes. That’s a lot of gear on the move.

It appears the invasion is going to be massive when Putin pulls the trigger.

304 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 10:00:29am

re: #296 NJDhockeyfan

re: #301 Killgore Trout

Big transport planes. That’s a lot of gear on the move.

Nothing to see here

Move along!

305 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 10:02:02am

re: #303 NJDhockeyfan

It appears the invasion is going to be massive when Putin pulls the trigger.

I don’t think so. See my earlier posts about them blustering. imho, it’s setting the stage for a negotiated “security section’ allowing Russian soldiers in to “monitor” and “secure” “their” citizens

306 calochortus  May 3, 2014 10:05:43am

re: #287 GeneJockey

1. Make list.

2. Make more coffee.

3. Sit back down and drink it.

4. Cross 1- 3 off list, take nap.

Slight variation
1. Make list
2. Do a couple items on it
3. Make more coffee
4. Sit down and drink it with a sense one has accomplished things and is totally entitled to relax.

307 calochortus  May 3, 2014 10:06:51am

re: #293 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Inter-Library Loan FTW. It’s a bit more of a PITA and takes longer, but most things can be found somewhere. I’ve also found ILL will sometimes send PDFs of articles.

Back in the day, say 4 decades ago, there were no PDFs to send and it was hard to pry bound copies of obscure journals out of the libraries that held them.

308 William Barnett-Lewis  May 3, 2014 10:13:26am

re: #307 calochortus

Back in the day, say 4 decades ago, there were no PDFs to send and it was hard to pry bound copies of obscure journals out of the libraries that held them.

I’ve found requesting photocopies will usually work in those cases.

309 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 10:16:23am

re: #304 sattv4u2

Nothing to see here

Move along!

Special delivery from Putin!

310 NJDhockeyfan  May 3, 2014 10:17:16am
311 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 10:23:20am

re: #310 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

Maybe they were going for Was Shington!

312 Lidane  May 3, 2014 10:26:25am

re: #310 NJDhockeyfan

It’s understandable. They’re out of practice after focusing on the Malaysian plane for so long.

313 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 10:29:29am

re: #312 Lidane

It’s understandable. They’re out of practice after focusing on the MalaysSian plane for so long.

ftfy

314 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 10:33:12am

UN springs into action, laments impotence.
UN Security Council takes no action in 13th emergency meeting on Ukraine

The council so far has been unable to agree on any action on Ukraine, as Russia holds veto power as a permanent council member. The 193-nation General Assembly weeks ago affirmed Ukraine’s territorial integrity in a surprisingly strong but nonbinding vote, showing Russia’s isolated stance.Frustration soared Friday, and Araud despaired at the council’s “impotence.” -

315 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 10:35:27am

The Security Council would officially lament their impotence but Russia would just veto it.

316 NJDhockeyfan  May 3, 2014 10:36:14am

re: #314 Killgore Trout

UN springs into action, laments impotence.
UN Security Council takes no action in 13th emergency meeting on Ukraine

They are still working on a strongly worded letter.

317 Stanley Sea  May 3, 2014 10:41:31am

The First Electric Chair, Or The Time Thomas Edison Helped Light A Man On Fire.

we were struck by how much the arguments about jurisprudence that led to the chair’s invention mirrored the arguments that are popping up again in the wake of Lockett’s death.

Read more at wonkette.com

318 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 10:42:28am

re: #315 Killgore Trout

The Security Council would officially lament their impotence but Russia would just veto it.

re: #316 NJDhockeyfan

They are still working on a strongly worded letter.

And then they’ll pack the limousines and head out for a fine lunch at Tavern On The Green

319 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 10:43:36am

re: #317 Stanley Sea

The First Electric Chair, Or The Time Thomas Edison Helped Light A Man On Fire.

Watson. Come here. My beards on fire!! (not to mention my pants!!)

320 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!  May 3, 2014 10:43:43am

re: #37 klys

/stitch stitch stitch

Just for fun contrast, here’s the piece from the back.

Just when I thought you couldn’t get any more adorable.

321 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 10:44:24am

re: #318 sattv4u2

And then they’ll pack the limousines and head out for a fine lunch at Tavern On The Green

I hear Putin picks up the tab if they go to Russian Tea Room.

322 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 3, 2014 10:50:24am

People continue to not understand the point of the UN, film at 11.

323 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 10:51:37am

re: #322 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

People continue to not understand the point of the UN, film at 11.

Will it be on someones teeth after the lunch??

324 Stanley Sea  May 3, 2014 10:53:09am

Hey Satt, what time/channel is the Derby on?

325 Killgore Trout  May 3, 2014 10:54:21am

Russian press: Shots Heard near Ukraine’s Slaviansk, Residents Prepare for Storming

The relative calm in the eastern Ukrainian city of Slaviansk has been broken by shots on the outskirts of the city, and residents are preparing for the storming by the Ukrainian army, a RIA Novosti correspondent reported on Saturday.

Federalization supporters, who are on duty on the roadblocks around Slaviansk, say they are waiting for the storming in the coming hours. The attack is widely expected following the departure of the OSCE inspectors, who were freed by federalists earlier in the day.

326 NJDhockeyfan  May 3, 2014 10:56:14am
327 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 10:56:35am

re: #324 Stanley Sea

Hey Satt, what time/channel is the Derby on?

TV coverage starts at 4:00 Eastern (depending on the end of a Stanley Cup Playoff game) on your local NBC affiliate

328 Stanley Sea  May 3, 2014 11:00:10am

re: #327 sattv4u2

TV coverage starts at 4:00 Eastern (depending on the end of a Stanley Cup Playoff game0 on your local NBC affiliate

Thanks - appreciated Mr. TV Guide.

329 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 11:01:07am

re: #328 Stanley Sea

Thanks - appreciated Mr. TV Guide.

n/p. Our satellite feed has been up for two hours already. No real content. Just ‘beauty shots” with an open microphone

330 Varek Raith  May 3, 2014 11:02:29am

Let’s bomb Russia!
e_e

331 sattv4u2  May 3, 2014 11:04:35am

re: #330 Varek Raith

Let’s bomb Russia!
e_e

I once got bombed with a Russian!

no,,, wait,,,, TWICE !!


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