GOHMERT! Gay Rights Supporters Are Just Like Nazis

Is Gohmert the dumbest man in Congress, or just the most bigoted?
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In the ongoing saga of Life with Gohmert!, TPM has video of Texas’s own “Terror Babies” Louie, even more incoherent and blindly bigoted than usual, Godwinning all over the House floor: Louie Gohmert Compares Gay Rights Advocates to Nazis.

So it is amazing that in the name of liberality, in the name of being tolerant, this fascist intolerance has arisen. People that stand up and say, you know, I agree with the majority of Americans, I agree with Moses and Jesus that marriage was a man and a woman, now all of a sudden, people like me are considered haters, hate mongers, evil, which really is exactly what we’ve seen throughout our history as going back to the days of the Nazi takeover in Europe. What did they do? First, they would call people “haters” and “evil” and build up disdain for those people who held those opinions or religious views or religious heritage. And then the next came, well, those people are so evil and hateful, let’s bring every book that they’ve written or has to do with them and let’s start burning the books, because we can’t tolerate their intolerance.

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409 comments
1 Kragar  May 9, 2014 12:06:00pm

He’s probably just pissed he didn’t make the Benghazi committee.

2 aagcobb  May 9, 2014 12:07:53pm

I well remember the impassioned speeches Gohmert gave against the hate speech labeling homosexuals as evil pedophiles bent on destroying America …

3 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 9, 2014 12:08:57pm

Full Godwin. Impressive, Louie!

4 aagcobb  May 9, 2014 12:10:37pm

re: #1 Kragar

He’s probably just pissed he didn’t make the Benghazi committee.

Meet your #Benghazi Action Team! The GOP is jonesing to impeach the President. That’ll really help Rand with his lonely minority outreach campaign.

5 Lidane  May 9, 2014 12:11:02pm

Shorter GOHMERT! —

6 lawhawk  May 9, 2014 12:11:23pm

Charles, that photo of Gohmert in action is missing something.

Asparagus.

7 lawhawk  May 9, 2014 12:11:49pm

re: #4 aagcobb

Team GOP: World DERP.

8 Kragar  May 9, 2014 12:12:02pm

Gohmert makes perfect sense once you put it in the proper context of having been kicked in the head by a mule a couple of times.

9 Kragar  May 9, 2014 12:13:01pm

Allowing people to marry who they choose to marry is just like rounding up people for their religious beliefs.

10 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 12:13:19pm
Is Gohmert the dumbest man in Congress, or just the most bigoted?

Absolutely.

11 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 12:14:10pm

re: #9 Kragar

Allowing people to marry who they choose to marry is just like rounding up people for their religious beliefs.

Calling bigots bigots is bigotry!

12 Zamb  May 9, 2014 12:14:39pm
First, they would call people “haters” and “evil” and build up disdain for those people who held those opinions or religious views or religious heritage.

Someone needs to go through all the rightwing statements and catalog everything they have claimed to be what the Nazis did “first” I swear it must be up in the double digits.

13 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 12:15:08pm
I agree with Moses and Jesus that marriage was a man and a woman,

Can someone post the applicable passages in the bible that back Louie up? He may be right, but I don’t recall there being a whole lot about this topic there.

14 Kragar  May 9, 2014 12:16:32pm

re: #13 Skip Intro

Can someone post the applicable passages in the bible that back Louie up? He may be right, but I don’t recall there being a whole lot about this topic there.

Its right there next to the passage about AR-15s and the age of the Earth

15 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 12:16:40pm

re: #12 Zamb

Someone needs to go through all the rightwing statements and catalog everything they have claimed to be what the Nazis did “first” I swear it must be up in the double digits.

Are you talking about the daily count? The total count has to be in the thousands by now.

16 b.d.  May 9, 2014 12:17:22pm

re: #1 Kragar

He’s probably just pissed he didn’t make the Benghazi committee.

The Freep are in a tizzy that they left him off.

17 aagcobb  May 9, 2014 12:17:29pm

re: #8 Kragar

Gohmert makes perfect sense once you put it in the proper context of having been kicked in the head by a mule a couple of times.

You laugh, but imagine the horror if you had been at the HGTV Offices when the Jack-booted Rainbow Nazis broke down the doors to shut down “Flip It Forward.”

18 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 12:17:34pm

re: #14 Kragar

Its right there next to the passage about AR-15s and the age of the Earth

And dinosaurs. Don’t forget the dinosaurs.

19 Zamb  May 9, 2014 12:17:46pm

re: #4 aagcobb

If they impeach the first black president I’m pretty certain it will be 100 years before they can even hope to win over some of the community again.

20 Charles Johnson  May 9, 2014 12:18:30pm

re: #13 Skip Intro

When they bring up Moses they’re usually referring to the line about “a man who lies with a man as with a woman must be put to death.”

So old Louie’s basically saying he thinks homosexuals should be put to death.

21 b.d.  May 9, 2014 12:18:37pm

First they came for the haters…
Then they came for the internet trolls…

//

22 Kragar  May 9, 2014 12:20:01pm

I just realized the total abomination going on next Friday.

The morons at Operation American Spring are holding their farce to coincide with the anniversary of Ronnie James Dio’s death.

No mercy, destroy them all.

23 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 12:20:57pm

re: #19 Zamb

If they impeach the first black president I’m pretty certain it will be 100 years before they can even hope to win over some of the community again.

We’ll get to find out next year. Maybe that’s what Boehner is saving Judge Gohmert for.

24 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 12:21:49pm

re: #19 Zamb

If they impeach the first black president I’m pretty certain it will be 100 years before they can even hope to win over some of the community again.

You know, watching folks like Rand Paul or others try to figure out ways to appeal to the minority community while the base does everything in its power to drive them away just makes me think of a bunch of movie scene - which may never have been made - with a bunch of bad guys all hiding behind the smoothest, least scary one, who knocks on the door and asks to come in, while the ones behind him are sneaking evil, hungry looks at the homeowner and thumbing the edges of their knives…

25 Pie-onist Overlord  May 9, 2014 12:21:59pm
26 Lidane  May 9, 2014 12:22:46pm

Funny. I just had a conversation with an attorney last night who said he’d just helped a gay couple he knew get their marriage license together so they could go from Texas to California to get married. One of the things that stood out to me was his statement that he was as straight as the day is long, but that nobody should have to go through all these bullshit hoops to get married.

That guy would be surprised to find out he’s a Nazi sympathizer. Or he’d punch GOHMERT! in the face for saying it.

27 b.d.  May 9, 2014 12:22:49pm

re: #23 Skip Intro

We’ll get to find out next year. Maybe that’s what Boehner is saving Judge Gohmert for.

WE’RE NOT RACIST! WE IMPEACHED A WHITE PRESIDENT TOO!!!

28 calochortus  May 9, 2014 12:26:14pm

But it’s so very hard to discern the difference between:
a.) “My religion doesn’t allow same sex marriage. I will only marry someone of the opposite sex.”
and
b.) “My religion doesn’t allow same sex marriage. You will only marry someone of the opposite sex.”

Just a few tiny letters…

29 Justanotherhuman  May 9, 2014 12:26:38pm

Indiana man arrested for allegedly threatening to kill House Speaker Boehner, R-Ohio, over refusal to pass unemployment extension - @rollcall
read more on rollcall.com

30 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 12:27:41pm

Louie outdid himself yesterday, too.

The Comcast Sharia Conspiracy

We wouldn’t have known anything about it if a reader hadn’t tipped us off that it happened. But in a congressional hearing this morning Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) left a Comcast executive basically speechless when he accused the company of conspiring to keep Glenn Beck off the airwaves in favor of Sharia Law in the form of Al Jazeera America.

Youtube Video

31 aagcobb  May 9, 2014 12:28:31pm

re: #29 Justanotherhuman

Indiana man arrested for allegedly threatening to kill House Speaker Boehner, R-Ohio, over refusal to pass unemployment extension - @rollcall
read more on rollcall.com

A lot of people are suffering unnecessarily due to the GOP’s desire to “help” them get off their lazy butts to go work at jobs they can’t get. You still can’t make death threats against the assholes, however.

32 Ian G.  May 9, 2014 12:28:55pm

Well, at least he stuck with Moses and Jesus, and didn’t bring Abraham and his wife and concubine, or King David and his many wives into it. Kinda makes one re-think the “Biblical” definition of marriage.

Of course, aside from the Gospel of Scorsese/Kazantzakis, Jesus didn’t have a freakin’ wife.

33 Kragar  May 9, 2014 12:28:58pm

re: #26 Lidane

Funny. I just had a conversation with an attorney last night who said he’d just helped a gay couple he knew get their marriage license together so they could go from Texas to California to get married. One of the things that stood out to me was his statement that he was as straight as the day is long, but that nobody should have to go through all these bullshit hoops to get married.

That guy would be surprised to find out he’s a Nazi sympathizer. Or he’d punch GOHMERT! in the face for saying it.

Sounds like the guy in New Mexico, Lynn Ellins

Meet The N.M. County Clerk Who Started The Same-Sex Marriage License Hullaballoo

“Nobody voted on whether I can get married, and I don’t think anybody voted on whether you can get married, and you don’t vote civil rights issues because the purpose of the 14th Amendment is to protect minorities,” Ellins said. “And people with that sexual orientation are minorities. So you don’t put that to a vote. It flies in the face of jurisprudence since the late 19th century.”

34 Charles Johnson  May 9, 2014 12:31:23pm
35 Ian G.  May 9, 2014 12:31:29pm

Also, the Nazis were well-known for their advocacy of homosexual rights.

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36 Killgore Trout  May 9, 2014 12:32:08pm

re: #29 Justanotherhuman

Indiana man arrested for allegedly threatening to kill House Speaker Boehner, R-Ohio, over refusal to pass unemployment extension - @rollcall
read more on rollcall.com

He sounds nice/

Investigators believe Thompson logged on to his neighbor’s unencrypted wireless router to make the threat, according to the criminal complaint.

The owner of the wireless router told investigators that Thompson had pulled a gun on a debt collector approximately four years ago.

Thompson had received unemployment checks of $341 per week until the legislation authorizing the payments expired. He stopped received payments on January 11.

37 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 12:36:39pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

He stopped received payments on January 11.

Sarah Palin’s writing for Roll Call these days?

38 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 12:38:48pm

re: #35 Ian G.

Also, the Nazis were well-known for their advocacy of homosexual rights.

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Damn right. Every year they met in Munich to celebrate their beer hall pustch, and we all know what pustch is a code word for.

39 Ian G.  May 9, 2014 12:39:13pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

How is this guy different from Cliven Bundy? They both like to flash their piece in order to keep the government freebies coming.

40 Killgore Trout  May 9, 2014 12:41:15pm

Patton Oswalt Tells Ferguson Why He Sent Those Fake Apology Tweets

The whole thing is just further proof that people on the internet want to be angry whether or not there’s anything to be angry about.

Watch video below, via CBS:

41 Lidane  May 9, 2014 12:42:03pm

re: #31 aagcobb

A lot of people are suffering unnecessarily due to the GOP’s desire to “help” them get off their lazy butts to go work at jobs they can’t get. You still can’t make death threats against the assholes, however.

Exactly.

The lack of a UI extension has hurt me tremendously. I’m not going to threaten to kill anyone over it, though. That’s just beyond stupid.

42 Feline Fearless Leader  May 9, 2014 12:42:06pm

OT: But nature and science is so much more educational and entertaining than Gohmert! kabuki Act XXXIV.

livescience.com

And how does a Moroccan spider get down dunes 2.5 times faster than its walking speed?

:)

43 dog philosopher  May 9, 2014 12:43:51pm

a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government

totally the same

44 RealityBasedSteve  May 9, 2014 12:44:13pm

Tonight on GOP-TV

7-8 I Love Louis… Louis gets a job at a plant packing asparagus. Much hilarity ensues.

8-9 I Dream of Gohment… Louis finds himself transported to a future time where gays have all the rights of real people. Much hilarity ensues

9-10 What’s My Orientation… Louie has to pick between real Nazis and gay people based on their answers to questions. Much hilarity ensues

45 Kragar  May 9, 2014 12:45:40pm
46 CuriousLurker  May 9, 2014 12:51:40pm

re: #25 Pie-onist Overlord

I almost for got to mention this in case you’re not aware of it (I watched the first episode last night):

The Story of the Jews with Simon Schama | PBS

47 ObserverArt  May 9, 2014 12:51:53pm

I just turned my TV on about 15 minutes ago and was fliping through my usual channels and the MSNBC Cycle gang was on.

They are outdoors at some festival in Atlanta or something. Anyway, they did a really cool piece on the Ron Clark Academy in Atlanta. I never heard anything about the place but it was a cool uplifting story about Ron Clark the educator that founded the place. It was an old factory that was turned into a (middle?) school an it has a majority of African American students, but is open to anyone.

The first thing I noticed is how the kids were speaking with without any of the ums, ahhhs, you-knows, and any fashionable hiphop or internet words. They were also nattily attired in their school uniforms and all were bright-eyed and engaged. All the stuff they showed looked like it was fun, but still demanding of discipline. Lots of music and dance involved in everything, etc.

It shows that someone who cares can teach anyone and uplift them no matter their up bringing. Ron Clark is extremely upbeat and animated, so I can see how the kids love him.

It shows that a charter ( I think it is a charter) school can actually work.

I just Googled the link, and haven’t checked it out yet, but I thought some of you might be interested.

Welcome to the Ron Clark Academy

48 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 12:53:23pm

re: #45 Kragar

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Not just communities and civilizations, but also basic logic and economics.

Government does things for us that The Market won’t do, like national defense, police and fire protection, building roads and bridges and other infrastructure, the basic research that applied research depends on, the legal system to enforce contracts, protect against crime and punish it when it occurs.

Try running a successful company without roads to deliver goods, to receive materials, and for your employees to commute on; without police and fire protection; without the ability to punish workers who steal or competitors who infringe on your proprietary info; without a national defense to keep others from simply taking over your town; without the internet.

For that matter, try tweeting without the internet.

And all these functions are things we, the governed have asked our government to do, via our elected representatives.

49 aagcobb  May 9, 2014 12:54:14pm

re: #41 Lidane

Exactly.

The lack of a UI extension has hurt me tremendously. I’m not going to threaten to kill anyone over it, though. That’s just beyond stupid.

Sorry to hear that; I hope something good comes your way soon.

50 Kragar  May 9, 2014 12:55:39pm
51 Lidane  May 9, 2014 12:56:11pm
52 Kragar  May 9, 2014 12:59:30pm
53 aagcobb  May 9, 2014 12:59:59pm

re: #42 Feline Fearless Leader

OT: But nature and science is so much more educational and entertaining than Gohmert! kabuki Act XXXIV.

livescience.com

And how does a Moroccan spider get down dunes 2.5 times faster than its walking speed?

:)

Giant somersaulting spider robot; how charming!

54 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 1:00:04pm

re: #14 Kragar

Its right there next to the passage about AR-15s and the age of the Earth

Consult the Book of Armaments!

Youtube Video

55 William Barnett-Lewis  May 9, 2014 1:01:57pm

re: #50 Kragar

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He needs a link to the 24 types of libertarians.

Image: types_of_libertarian1.png

56 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:05:18pm

Yeah Louie. Advocating that gay people be treated like humans is just like the Nazis. May want to check your history pal, you’re more closer to the Nazis on this issue*
*Not like I think it’s cool to liken people to the Nazis.

57 Kragar  May 9, 2014 1:05:57pm
58 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 1:06:00pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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That is distressingly prophetic.

59 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 1:06:44pm

Dear Mr. Gohmert:

People like you who want to legislate their peculiar religious prejudices into laws applicable for all are, by definition, theocrats.

Furthermore, said peculiar religious prejudices are so often based on hate that such legislation is also an attempt to get your hate into the laws.

That makes you and you ilk “haters” by any reasonable definition of the term. Just own it, already.

No love,

Me

60 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 1:10:06pm

re: #57 Kragar

Libertarians really are idiots.

I get that over-concentration of power in the hands of the government is often a bad thing.

But what on earth gives over-concentration of power in private hands a free pass?

61 Kragar  May 9, 2014 1:10:49pm
62 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:10:52pm

Really I’m tired of assholes like Gohmert comparing people criticizing their bigoted views to one of the most murderous regimes in history especially knowing that one killed plenty of gay people too. It’s people like Gohmert who are more like the Nazis than any gay rights activist when it comes to sheer hate. News flash Louie, we don’t hate you because you’re a Christian. We hate you because you want the law to discriminate against people who just happen to love people of the same gender. Stop crying like a victim whenever you’re criticized for being a bigot and the heirs of the people who shouted slurs and attacked civil rights activists in the 60’s.

63 jaunte  May 9, 2014 1:11:08pm

re: #57 Kragar

DO YOU REALIZE THAT TAXES ARE INVOLUNTARY!!??!!

64 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 1:12:00pm

re: #61 Kragar

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Taxes are VOLUNTARY. You choose to accept them by not leaving. That’s how a republic works.

65 Kragar  May 9, 2014 1:12:04pm
66 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:12:07pm

Find me a society that survived without taxation and I’ll find you a society that never existed. Really, idiots like this want all the benefits of 2014 America but they don’t want to pay for it.

67 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 1:12:25pm

re: #58 Aunty Entity Dragon

It wasn’t really a prophecy at the time. Plutocracy really was rolled back significantly in the first 3/4 of the twentieth century.

68 jaunte  May 9, 2014 1:13:10pm

I was taxed for this highway, so I’ll drive any direction I please on any part of it!

69 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 1:13:19pm

re: #60 EPR-radar

Libertarians really are idiots.

I get that over-concentration of power in the hands of the government is often a bad thing.

But what on earth gives over-concentration of power in private hands a free pass?

None of them ever read Leviathan by Hobbes or really bothered to understand human history. If they did, they would know that actual anarcho-libertariansim is just as impossible as textbook Marxism.

They are both fundamentally incompatible with human interactions in the real world.

70 b_sharp  May 9, 2014 1:13:50pm

re: #60 EPR-radar

Libertarians really are idiots.

I get that over-concentration of power in the hands of the government is often a bad thing.

But what on earth gives over-concentration of power in private hands a free pass?

Any group of humans will always evolve into a hierarchy with some form of government. Hominids survived through cooperation.

71 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:14:07pm

Libertarianism like that exists because of the strides made by liberalism in the generations before us.

72 b.d.  May 9, 2014 1:16:12pm

STOP SIGNS ARE OPPRESSIVE

73 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 1:17:50pm

re: #65 Kragar

If this moron is still responding to you, you might want to ask him about the last time a mugger took only a set fraction from the victim, where the rate was determined through a representative political process.

74 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:18:02pm

Really, it’s easy to bitch about taxes when you live in a society with a much higher life expectancy than the one your grandparents were born into. One where it’s an article of faith that the water you use will likely be clean. One where mass transit isn’t a total clusterfuck or exists period. One where you know that the police or fire department will help you in need. More and more I think I’m a liberal not merely out of principle but because I don’t take shit for granted.

75 William Barnett-Lewis  May 9, 2014 1:18:09pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Libertarianism like that exists because of the strides made by liberalism in the generations before us.

I had to laugh the other day. I was calling a libertarian a pea-brained anarchist and I got called to task by a woman who _is_ an anarchist because anarchists actually have ideas about how to run things unlike libertarians.

76 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:18:26pm

re: #72 b.d.

STOP SIGNS ARE OPPRESSIVE

Red lights are communism of course.

77 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 1:18:31pm

re: #60 EPR-radar

Libertarians really are idiots.

I get that over-concnetration of power in the hands of the government is often a bad thing.

But what on earth gives over-concentration of power in private hands a free pass?

This is a key consideration. Government in a republic is the collective conscious will of the citizens. The Market is the result of all their choices, thinking and unthinking, informed and uninformed. It is subject to manipulation via disinformation, misinformation, and simple lack of information. Empirical observation - or even a little logical thought! - debunks the belief that The Market does what Libertarians think.

78 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:19:35pm

re: #75 William Barnett-Lewis

I had to laugh the other day. I was calling a libertarian a pea-brained anarchist and I got called to task by a woman who _is_ an anarchist because anarchists actually have ideas about how to run things unlike libertarians.

I get a laugh out of them too because they make me(normally fairly idealistic) feel like a stone-cold realist.

79 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 1:19:49pm

re: #75 William Barnett-Lewis

I had to laugh the other day. I was calling a libertarian a pea-brained anarchist and I got called to task by a woman who _is_ an anarchist because anarchists actually have ideas about how to run things unlike libertarians.

Self identified anarchists have probably put some thought into their positions.

Libertarians cluelessly don’t realize that anarchy is the end result of what they advocate for.

80 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 1:20:16pm

re: #65 Kragar

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I am having fun with this idiot…

81 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 1:22:26pm

re: #79 EPR-radar

Self identified anarchists have probably put some thought into their positions.

Libertarians cluelessly don’t realize that anarchy is the end result of what they advocate for.

The end result is warlords and armed gangs, since power abhors a vacuum.

82 Shiplord Kirel  May 9, 2014 1:22:52pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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Yep. Advocates of a libertarian system don’t realize that we used to have one.
Needless to say, there was a severe reaction against the inherent abuses of this system. After millions of deaths, the fear of a further expansion of communism led to efforts to mitigate the harmful effects of capitalism. Capitalism survived and flourished despite many dire predictions to the contrary. Libertarians, being both arrogant and stupid, either do not know this history or they do not really think it could repeat itself.

83 Killgore Trout  May 9, 2014 1:23:25pm

Secret money

This radical idea to fix influence in politics just might work

Why would you ban donation disclosure?

It sounds batty until you realize the authors’ key insight: for a quid pro quo to work, the paid-off party doesn’t just have to receive a kickback. They have to know they’ve received a kickback. In the current system, where you donate to campaigns by giving them your name and credit card number, or sending them a check with your name and signature, that’s trivially easy to figure out. It only takes a few keystrokes for Barack Obama to find out that Hollywood producer and Democratic super-donor Jeffrey Katzenberg maxed out to him in the 2012 primary and general elections.

But if we were to make donations secret, that link would be broken. Katzenberg could tell Obama that he donated, but there’d be no way he could prove it. And next time Katzenberg needed an invite to an administration gathering to secure a business deal with Chinese officials, White House officials wouldn’t know if he’s actually someone they need to keep happy. Whatever special privileges he currently enjoys with the administration would greatly diminish in importance, if not vanish completely. “It’s harder to buy influence when the candidate doesn’t know who paid for it,” Ayres tells me.

Heh. Kind of a neat idea.

84 blueraven  May 9, 2014 1:23:31pm
Is Gohmert the dumbest man in Congress, or just the most bigoted?

Yes

85 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:24:59pm

re: #81 Aunty Entity Dragon

The end result is warlords and armed gangs, since power abhors a vacuum.

Or as it’s called in the real world, Somalia. Libertarians argue that communism/socialism doesn’t work in practice but I have to say there’s much more examples of quasi socialism i.e. the Scandinavian welfare states working than libertarian societies. The thing is though libertarians think you can just tear down government entities that have been in place for years and replace them with the private sector and expect no real hiccups. That’s why I call them too damn idealistic for their own good. But that’s what happens when you pay more attention to Ron Paul than actual economists.

86 Kragar  May 9, 2014 1:25:16pm
87 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 1:25:33pm

re: #77 GeneJockey

This is a key consideration. Government in a republic is the collective conscious will of the citizens. The Market is the result of all their choices, thinking and unthinking, informed and uninformed. It is subject to manipulation via disinformation, misinformation, and simple lack of information. Empirical observation - or even a little logical thought! - debunks the belief that The Market does what Libertarians think.

When radioactivity was first discovered and before it was known how dangerous it was, radio-isotopes were included in patent medicines. E.g., Radithor which consisted of triple distilled water containing at a minimum 1 microcurie (37 kBq) each of the radium 226 and 228 isotopes.

This lethal nonsense came to an end in the US via a strengthening of the FDA’s powers.

I fail to see how this and worse would not come back in Libertopia. There will always be a market for woo and quackery, and there is much to be said for making this relatively harmless by government action.

88 Shiplord Kirel  May 9, 2014 1:27:31pm

re: #87 EPR-radar

When radioactivity was first discovered and before it was known how dangerous it was, radio-isotopes were included in patent medicines. E.g., Radithor which consisted of triple distilled water containing at a minimum 1 microcurie (37 kBq) each of the radium 226 and 228 isotopes.

This lethal nonsense came to an end in the US via a strengthening of the FDA’s powers.

I fail to see how this and worse would not come back in Libertopia. There will always be a market for woo and quackery, and there is much to be said for making this relatively harmless by government action.

It’s no accident that some of the most ardent libertarians are the purveyors of quack medicine (ie the “health supplements” so beloved of fundies and MLM scammers).

89 blueraven  May 9, 2014 1:27:36pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Secret money

This radical idea to fix influence in politics just might work

Heh. Kind of a neat idea.

No, it is a very stupid argument.

90 b_sharp  May 9, 2014 1:28:38pm

re: #77 GeneJockey

This is a key consideration. Government in a republic is the collective conscious will of the citizens. The Market is the result of all their choices, thinking and unthinking, informed and uninformed. It is subject to manipulation via disinformation, misinformation, and simple lack of information. Empirical observation - or even a little logical thought! - debunks the belief that The Market does what Libertarians think.

Dude, this is hitting Twitter.

91 Kragar  May 9, 2014 1:29:21pm
92 Killgore Trout  May 9, 2014 1:30:05pm

re: #89 blueraven

No, it is a very stupid argument.

How so? I’m not seeing a major flaw. I’d love to see publically funded campaigns but that ain’t gonna happen.

93 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 1:31:21pm

re: #90 b_sharp

Dude, this is hitting Twitter.

Knock yourself out. I don’t to the Twitters.

94 ObserverArt  May 9, 2014 1:31:27pm

re: #55 William Barnett-Lewis

He needs a link to the 24 types of libertarians.

Image: types_of_libertarian1.png

Do you happen to have a link or a copy of that in larger size? That’s a keeper.

95 Lidane  May 9, 2014 1:32:03pm

re: #91 Kragar

Oh god. Moron thinks he’s an anarcho-capitalist. I knew a few of those douchecanoes back in the Bush years. They’re all Luap Nor fanboys and worship at the Mises Institute altar.

Ask him if he loves Austrian economics. I’ll bet the answer is a yes, followed by lots and lots of words telling you it’s a coherent system of thought.

96 Kragar  May 9, 2014 1:32:50pm
97 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 1:33:29pm

re: #88 Shiplord Kirel

It’s no accident that some of the most ardent libertarians are the purveyors of quack medicine (ie the “health supplements” so beloved of fundies and MLM scammers).

An interesting note on the Radithor issue is that it took the death of a wealthy person to spur action.

Some things never change.

98 De Kolta Chair  May 9, 2014 1:33:36pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Heh. Kind of a neat idea.

Get thee to a secret donation booth.

99 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:34:55pm

re: #95 Lidane

Oh god. Moron thinks he’s an anarcho-capitalist. I knew a few of those douchecanoes back in the Bush years. They’re all Luap Nor fanboys and worship at the Mises Institute altar.

Ask him if he loves Austrian economics. I’ll bet the answer is a yes, followed by lots and lots of words telling you it’s a coherent system of thought.

They seriously think that von Mises is the only economist listening to and they learned all they did about policy from Rand Paul.

100 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 1:35:01pm

re: #96 Kragar

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Ask him what company would spend hundreds of millions researching and creating a new drug to save lives if it could be instantly analyzed and recreated by others?

101 Mike Lamb  May 9, 2014 1:36:15pm

re: #86 Kragar

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Right…the people, they get together. Eventually, they decide they need rules and people to enforce those rules. A charter is drafted; elections are held; the winners pass laws; and so on. This guy acts as if the federal gov’t is some alien being that simply impressed itself upon an already mature society rather than something that grew organically with society. Sure, there are arguments about over stepping mandates and whatnot, but as a general rule, gov’t operates within the constraints established by voters in a democratic republic.

So all that aside, I have to ask Kragar…do you perform any self-diagnostic intelligence testing just to make sure that you aren’t catching stupid from the twitter interactions?

102 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 1:37:40pm

re: #95 Lidane

Oh god. Moron thinks he’s an anarcho-capitalist. I knew a few of those douchecanoes back in the Bush years. They’re all Luap Nor fanboys and worship at the Mises Institute altar.

Ask him if he loves Austrian economics. I’ll bet the answer is a yes, followed by lots and lots of words telling you it’s a coherent system of thought.

That prompted me to look at the wikipedia entry on this topic, where I found this gem:

According to Mises, deductive economic thought experiment can yield conclusions which follow irrefutably from the underlying assumptions and could not be inferred from empirical observation or statistical analysis.

Idiocy on stilts wearing clown shoes.

103 Feline Fearless Leader  May 9, 2014 1:37:48pm

re: #73 EPR-radar

If this moron is still responding to you, you might want to ask him about the last time a mugger took only a set fraction from the victim, where the rate was determined through a representative political process.

Sounds like Anhk-Morpork. And the muggee gets a receipt as well.
/

104 CuriousLurker  May 9, 2014 1:38:00pm

GAHHHHHHHHHHH—my cat has a mouse and it’s bleeding, but not dead!

&%^$$%#@$@#!

105 NJDhockeyfan  May 9, 2014 1:38:22pm
106 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 1:38:24pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

Or as it’s called in the real world, Somalia. Libertarians argue that communism/socialism doesn’t work in practice but I have to say there’s much more examples of quasi socialism i.e. the Scandinavian welfare states working than libertarian societies. The thing is though libertarians think you can just tear down government entities that have been in place for years and replace them with the private sector and expect no real hiccups. That’s why I call them too damn idealistic for their own good. But that’s what happens when you pay more attention to Ron Paul than actual economists.

Since people do organize for protection and to compete with other outside groups (and have since the dawn of human existence) his little happy band of anarcho capitalists would be wiped out and their goods taken by the first band of marauders who were better armed then they were. That is the tragedy of human societies, and Hobbes hit it dead on the money:

For the laws of nature, as justice, equity, modesty, mercy, and, in sum, doing to others as we would be done to, of themselves, without the terror of some power to cause them to be observed, are contrary to our natural passions, that carry us to partiality, pride, revenge, and the like. And covenants, without the sword, are but words and of no strength to secure a man at all. Therefore, notwithstanding the laws of nature (which every one hath then kept, when he has the will to keep them, when he can do it safely), if there be no power erected, or not great enough for our security, every man will and may lawfully rely on his own strength and art for caution against all other men.

107 Kragar  May 9, 2014 1:39:06pm

re: #101 Mike Lamb

Right…the people, they get together. Eventually, they decide they need rules and people to enforce those rules. A charter is drafted; elections are held; the winners pass laws; and so on. This guy acts as if the federal gov’t is some alien being that simply impressed itself upon an already mature society rather than something that grew organically with society. Sure, there are arguments about over stepping mandates and whatnot, but as a general rule, gov’t operates within the constraints established by voters in a democratic republic.

So all that aside, I have to ask Kragar…do you perform any self-diagnostic intelligence testing just to make sure that you aren’t catching stupid from the twitter interactions?

I offer praise to the 4 Chaos Gods on a regular basis to ensure their good will in my unholy crusade

108 blueraven  May 9, 2014 1:40:19pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

How so? I’m not seeing a major flaw. I’d love to see publically funded campaigns but that ain’t gonna happen.

Because of the unlimited amount of money in politics.
If…and only if we could cut out all the citizens united type rulings then maybe something like this could work. Until then superpacs, big business, labor, wealthy individuals, and corporations rule the day.

If one could only donate directly to a candidate, with some reasonable limit, then we could talk about it.

109 Mike Lamb  May 9, 2014 1:40:24pm

re: #100 GeneJockey

Ask him what company would spend hundreds of millions researching and creating a new drug to save lives if it could be instantly analyzed and recreated by others?

Ask him who would develop the internet at a time when it’s economic value was completely unknown.

110 Killgore Trout  May 9, 2014 1:40:41pm

re: #105 NJDhockeyfan

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hmmm, looks like that NATO general is leaking satelie images to the press again.

111 Lidane  May 9, 2014 1:41:21pm

re: #102 EPR-radar

Idiocy on stilts wearing clown shoes.

Yeah, the whole “We don’t need no stinkin’ evidence or statistics! We have our gut feelings!” aspect of Austrian economics makes it entirely useless as an actual process.

There’s a reason why it has never, ever been used by any governments. Kind of like libertarianism.

112 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:41:37pm

re: #102 EPR-radar

That prompted me to look at the wikipedia entry on this topic, where I found this gem:

Idiocy on stilts wearing clown shoes.

And that is the biggest problem with von Mises as an economist. Sure, we can debate the theory till hell come high water but if you want to ignore actual data and observation, then frankly you’re a shitty economist. Keynes’ big thing as I recall was to look at actual data. It’s why while I also agree with Keynes more than I do Mises think that his approach is infinitely better. You have to look at data. You can’t just live in a world of theory when you’re dealing with policy that effects people.

113 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 1:42:13pm

re: #107 Kragar

I offer praise to the 4 Chaos Gods on a regular basis to ensure their good will in my unholy crusade

You must be one of the Fallen Dark Angels. Come along now…we have a nice room for you in The Rock. The Chaplains will have a word with you in just a minute…

114 Feline Fearless Leader  May 9, 2014 1:42:29pm

re: #89 blueraven

No, it is a very stupid argument.

Maybe if they were homeopathic contributions they would work better?
;)

115 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:42:37pm

re: #111 Lidane

Yeah, the whole “We don’t need no stinkin’ evidence or statistics! We have our gut feelings!” aspect of Austrian economics makes it entirely useless as an actual process.

There’s a reason why it has never, ever been used by any governments. Kind of like libertarianism.

Friedman thought it was too out there for pete’s sake.

116 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 1:43:21pm

re: #114 Feline Fearless Leader

Maybe if they were homeopathic contributions they would work better?
;)

Huffing bath salts…

117 Killgore Trout  May 9, 2014 1:43:42pm

re: #108 blueraven

Because of the unlimited amount of money in politics.
If…and only if we could cut out all the citizens united type rulings then maybe something like this could work. Until then superpacs, big business, labor, wealthy individuals, and corporations rule the day.

If one could only donate directly to a candidate, with some reasonable limit, then we could talk about it.

That would certainly be ideal but it looks very unlikely to happen. While we’re waiting for the overturn of Citizens United I think the anonymous donation system would be a good idea to limit the amount of influence that money buys.

118 b_sharp  May 9, 2014 1:43:44pm

re: #101 Mike Lamb

Right…the people, they get together. Eventually, they decide they need rules and people to enforce those rules. A charter is drafted; elections are held; the winners pass laws; and so on. This guy acts as if the federal gov’t is some alien being that simply impressed itself upon an already mature society rather than something that grew organically with society. Sure, there are arguments about over stepping mandates and whatnot, but as a general rule, gov’t operates within the constraints established by voters in a democratic republic.

So all that aside, I have to ask Kragar…do you perform any self-diagnostic intelligence testing just to make sure that you aren’t catching stupid from the twitter interactions?

Don’t worry, Kragar isn’t really human. He’s just an ethereal Turing test.

119 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 1:43:59pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Friedman thought it was too out there for pete’s sake.

Meh…joke about the wrong Friedman.

120 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:44:00pm

The Von Mises Institute at Auburn also for what it’s worth has a lot of CSA fanboys and Lincoln is evil nutters.

121 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 1:44:10pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

And that is the biggest problem with von Mises as an economist. Sure, we can debate the theory till hell come high water but if you want to ignore actual data and observation, then frankly you’re a shitty economists. Keynes’ big thing as I recall was to look at actual data. It’s why while I also agree with Keynes more than I do Mises think that his approach is infinitely better. You have to look at data. You can’t just live in a world of theory when you’re dealing with policy that effects people.

In fact, doing thought experiments completely dissociated from any observations at all is perfectly useless in all fields of inquiry, not just economics.

122 ObserverArt  May 9, 2014 1:44:39pm

re: #94 ObserverArt

Do you happen to have a link or a copy of that in larger size? That’s a keeper.

I had asked William Barnett-Lewis about a larger version of the image he had linked in #55.

Never mind on the larger image of the 24 types of Libertarians William. I just opened the image you had in Photoshop and it pops up to a decent readable size. I don’t get why it didn’t enlarge further when clicked on.

I love it.

123 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:44:51pm

re: #121 EPR-radar

In fact, doing thought experiments completely dissociated from any observations at all is perfectly useless in all fields of inquiry, not just economics.

Terrific point.

124 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 1:47:21pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

Terrific point.

That is what Neil Tyson was getting at the other day. Rod Dreher, Sullivan and a bunch of humanities types all got a huge case of pearl clutching over the presumptive scientist who thinks actual data should count more than fuzzy philosophy navel gazing.

125 Lidane  May 9, 2014 1:48:16pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

The Von Mises Institute at Auburn also for what it’s worth has a lot of CSA fanboys and Lincoln is evil nutters.

That too. It was no accident that the anarcho-capitalist Luap Nor fanboy douchecanoes I knew were also ZOMG LINCOLN WUZ WORSE THAN HITLER whackaloons.

Suffice it to say, I don’t go to those message boards anymore. :P

126 Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2014 1:48:28pm

re: #96 Kragar

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There are no states or nations? Really?

What a colossal ignoramus.

127 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:48:38pm

re: #124 Aunty Entity Dragon

That is what Neil Tyson was getting at the other day. Rod Dreher, Sullivan and a bunch of humanities types all got a huge case of pearl clutching over the presumptive scientist who thinks actual data should count more than fuzzy philosophy navel gazing.

Hey don’t hate on the humanities types. History BA and English minor here but yeah you gotta look at actual real world data and that’s at crux why von Mises’ approach is wacky.

128 Feline Fearless Leader  May 9, 2014 1:49:50pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Hey don’t hate on the humanities types. History BA and English minor here but yeah you gotta look at actual real world data and that’s at crux why von Mises’ approach is wacky.

He rejects your reality and substitutes his own (theory).

129 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 1:49:54pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Hey don’t hate on the humanities types. History BA and English minor here but yeah you gotta look at actual real world data and that’s at crux why von Mises’ approach is wacky.

He was having some fun with the types who dwell on semantics like “Why is a yardstick really a yardstick?”

130 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:50:03pm

re: #125 Lidane

That too. It was no accident that the anarcho-capitalist Luap Nor fanboy douchecanoes I knew were also ZOMG LINCOLN WUZ WORSE THAN HITLER whackaloons.

Suffice it to say, I don’t go to those message boards anymore. :P

I dealt with some of them since there was a big facebook group discussing the 2008 election. Luap Nor fanboys are the most arrogant people you’ll ever deal with. They thikn only Luap Nor is right and that only they understand the Constitution and Founding Fathers.

131 CuriousLurker  May 9, 2014 1:50:27pm

Mouse rescued and put outside thru window, but I doubt it’s gonna survive. I felt sorry for it—you should’ve seen the look on its tiny little face.

I knew there had to be one around because the younger cat kept patrolling the stove & fridge, She parked herself in front of the fridge staring intently at the bottom of it for like five hours straight the other evening. Guess it finally paid off. She wasn’t keen on giving up her trophy, but now she’s prancing around accepting accolades for catching it.

Yuck. The downside of owning a predator.

132 Kragar  May 9, 2014 1:50:41pm

re: #113 Aunty Entity Dragon

You must be one of the Fallen Dark Angels. Come along now…we have a nice room for you in The Rock. The Chaplains will have a word with you in just a minute…

Always more of a Night Lords fan for Chaos.

133 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 1:51:43pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Hey don’t hate on the humanities types. History BA and English minor here but yeah you gotta look at actual real world data and that’s at crux why von Mises’ approach is wacky.

Also…history uses actual data (primary documentation, baby!)

(Geology BS, two classes from finishing history BA)

134 Flying Squirrel Girl  May 9, 2014 1:52:21pm

re: #91 Kragar

And here our snowflake reveals himself to be #4 from the “24 Types of Libertarian” chart - arrogant.

135 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 1:52:30pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

I dealt with some of them since there was a big facebook group discussing the 2008 election. Luap Nor fanboys are the most arrogant people you’ll ever deal with. They thikn only Luap Nor is right and that only they understand the Constitution and Founding Fathers.

Like the guy who told me ‘If you think slavery was constitutional, you don’t understand the document’. What a moron! OF COURSE it was Constitutional! It was even ALLOWED FOR, SPECIFICALLY.

I swear, all these guys with Constitutions in their pockets are like Cloud William, Chief and Son Of Chiefs, reading E Plebnista!

136 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:53:23pm

re: #133 Aunty Entity Dragon

Also…history uses actual data (primary documentation, baby!)

(Geology BS, two classes from finishing history BA)

Yep, bulk of my term paper on the Russian pogroms in the latter years of the Russian empire had tons of primary sources. Always did prefer primary to secondary. when researching. Much more interesting to read.

137 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 1:55:05pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

Yep, bulk of my term paper on the Russian pogroms in the latter years of the Russian empire had tons of primary sources. Always did prefer primary to secondary. when researching. Much more interesting to read.

Yes. My view is that History is about what the people of the time thought and experienced, rather than what later people thought they thought.

138 Kragar  May 9, 2014 1:55:50pm

Great moments in Night Lords history

Night Lord Warlord 1: “If you really are a prophet, tell me my future.”

Night Lord Warlord 2: “You’ll be dead before this meeting is over.”

Night Lord Warlord 1: “Are we all going to sit hear and listen to this?”

At this point Warlord 1s body guard pulls a pistol, executes Warlord 1, then moves over to fall in with the rest of Warlord 2’s retinue.

Night Lord Warlord 2: “Does anyone else want to question me being here?”

139 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 1:55:50pm

re: #131 CuriousLurker

Mouse rescued and put outside thru window, but I doubt it’s gonna survive. I felt sorry for it—you should’ve seen the look on its tiny little face.

I knew there had to be one around because the younger cat kept patrolling the stove & fridge, She parked herself in front of the fridge staring intently at the bottom of it for like five hours straight the other evening. Guess it finally paid off. She wasn’t keen on giving up her trophy, but now she’s prancing around accepting accolades for catching it.

Yuck. The downside of owning a predator.

Our kitties lurv them some tasty mice.

I basically let them do their thing until the mice have finally died or the kitties lose interest. One critter was so badly chewed on I wasn’t completely certain what it had been originally. I figured it was probably a mouse…but it was missing an awful lot of surface features. It was also still breathing. *sigh*

The night that Olivia jumped into the air and nabbed a flying bat was freaking awesome. I have never seen anything like that before. I did rescue the bat before she went to town on it and started tearing it’s wings off, though.

140 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:55:59pm

re: #135 GeneJockey

Like the guy who told me ‘If you think slavery was constitutional, you don’t understand the document’. What a moron! OF COURSE it was Constitutional! It was even ALLOWED FOR, SPECIFICALLY.

I swear, all these guys with Constitutions in their pockets are like Cloud William, Chief and Son Of Chiefs, reading E Plebnista!

And then they get mad when someone like Thurgood Marshall who POTUS later agrees with says that shows that the Constitution had flaws. I love the Constitution. Terrific as you’re going to get for a governing document but it had and still has flaws. The worship of the document bothers me not because I disrespect it but because I realize the imperfections of a document written in 1787 being used to apply all standards to 2014.

141 blueraven  May 9, 2014 1:56:07pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

That would certainly be ideal but it looks very unlikely to happen. While we’re waiting for the overturn of Citizens United I think the anonymous donation system would be a good idea to limit the amount of influence that money buys.

Right, if you read the interview, the plan only works with some kind of “public funding”


So we can’t advocate this program standing by itself. We also need a Patriot Dollar program where citizens get a personal $50 account they can spend to support candidates of their choice. That’s about $7 billion per presidential cycle. This is perfectly constitutional.

If we put Patriot Dollars together with a blind trust, we have a system where people can give their own money to whoever they want so long as they actually believe in them, but most of the money will be Patriot Dollars. One person, one vote; one person, 50 Patriot Dollars. Ours is one of the few serious campaign finance programs that’s constitutional. We think the Supreme Court made the wrong decisions, but they have not said anything that really constrains our Patriot Dollars plus secret donation booth plan.

Most of the proposals from reformers dealing from the Supreme Court’s decisions are Band-Aids on an increasingly plutocratic system. We think free speech is great. We think money is speech. Moreover, we give each candidate the right to opt out of our system. You can finance your whole campaign, Mr. Bloomberg, only you should know that if you decided to appeal to citizens for Patriot Dollars, you could have raised $600 million. That money is now going to be used by the candidate who’s most competitive with you. You’ve just abandoned the field, and given up $600 million to your closest competitor. Does that sound very attractive? We’ve designed this program on the merits, but it is perfectly constitutional under the Court’s decisions.

142 jaunte  May 9, 2014 1:56:09pm

re: #96 Kragar

When SlavLibertarian gets older and grumpier, he’s all primed to become a sovereign citizen.

143 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 1:56:16pm

re: #132 Kragar

Always more of a Night Lords fan for Chaos.

Heretic!

144 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 1:57:29pm

re: #137 GeneJockey

Yes. My view is that History is about what the people of the time thought and experienced, rather than what later people thought they thought.

I always enjoyed the history classes where we got to read stuff from the average person or about them. My Chinese history courses had some focus on famous people like Mao, Chaing Kai-Shek but a good amount of it was about regular Chinese life and you’re right, that is what history is and it’s honestly why I do scoff at those who call history boring.

145 Kragar  May 9, 2014 1:58:50pm

re: #143 Aunty Entity Dragon

Heretic!

Sorry, they had me when the Inquisition reported they had to put down an entire enclave of Psykers who kept screaming “They pissed in our brains” when they attempt to scan a Night Lord cruiser.

146 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 1:59:20pm

re: #138 Kragar

I like the simplicity of the World Eaters.

KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN!KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN!

147 Kragar  May 9, 2014 2:00:15pm

re: #146 Aunty Entity Dragon

I like the simplicity of the World Eaters.

KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN!KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN!

Always a classic

148 William Barnett-Lewis  May 9, 2014 2:00:28pm

re: #122 ObserverArt

I had asked William Barnett-Lewis about a larger version of the image he had linked in #55.

Never mind on the larger image of the 24 types of Libertarians William. I just opened the image you had in Photoshop and it pops up to a decent readable size. I don’t get why it didn’t enlarge further when clicked on.

I love it.

It’s nice and big at it’s web site.

It is a hoot, isn’t it?

149 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 2:00:51pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

And then they get mad when someone like Thurgood Marshall who POTUS later agrees with says that shows that the Constitution had flaws. I love the Constitution. Terrific as you’re going to get for a governing document but it had and still has flaws. The worship of the document bothers me not because I disrespect it but because I realize the imperfections of a document written in 1787 being used to apply all standards to 2014.

Right. It’s not fucking Holy Writ! It’s the second attempt to set up a working system of self-government, without a lot of examples to study. It was set up by wealthy white male landowners largely for the benefit of their kind of people, because they felt their kind of people should be in charge.

But more importantly, worship of the document and the insistence that it be interpreted precisely as The Founders saw things ignores the whole point of self-governance: The people ARE the government, and it is what we want it to be.

150 Decatur Deb  May 9, 2014 2:00:55pm

re: #126 Dr Lizardo

There are no states or nations? Really?

What a colossal ignoramus.

“And no religion, too.

151 b_sharp  May 9, 2014 2:01:41pm

re: #131 CuriousLurker

Mouse rescued and put outside thru window, but I doubt it’s gonna survive. I felt sorry for it—you should’ve seen the look on its tiny little face.

I knew there had to be one around because the younger cat kept patrolling the stove & fridge, She parked herself in front of the fridge staring intently at the bottom of it for like five hours straight the other evening. Guess it finally paid off. She wasn’t keen on giving up her trophy, but now she’s prancing around accepting accolades for catching it.

Yuck. The downside of owning a predator.

If it bleeds then euthanize it.

152 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 2:02:21pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

Yep, bulk of my term paper on the Russian pogroms in the latter years of the Russian empire had tons of primary sources. Always did prefer primary to secondary. when researching. Much more interesting to read.

I just finished up a paper on Mary of Scots and Bess of Hardwick from 1569 to 1583. The original letters from Bess are cached at the University of Glasgow, and they put them online…original spelling and syntax included.

Good times…good times…

153 b_sharp  May 9, 2014 2:02:44pm

re: #135 GeneJockey

Like the guy who told me ‘If you think slavery was constitutional, you don’t understand the document’. What a moron! OF COURSE it was Constitutional! It was even ALLOWED FOR, SPECIFICALLY.

I swear, all these guys with Constitutions in their pockets are like Cloud William, Chief and Son Of Chiefs, reading E Plebnista!

Double upding for the Star Trek reference.

True nerdism.

154 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 2:03:10pm

re: #152 Aunty Entity Dragon

I just finished up a paper on Mary of Scots and Bess of Hardwick from 1569 to 1583. The original letters from Bess are cached at the University of Glasgow, and they put them online…original spelling and syntax included.

Good times…good times…

Now that seems like interesting reading material.

155 CuriousLurker  May 9, 2014 2:03:36pm

re: #139 Aunty Entity Dragon

Our kitties lurv them some tasty mice.

I basically let them do their thing until the mice have finally died or the kitties lose interest. One critter was so badly chewed on I wasn’t completely certain what it had been originally. I figured it was probably a mouse…but it was missing an awful lot of surface features. It was also still breathing. *sigh*

The night that Olivia jumped into the air and nabbed a flying bat was freaking awesome. I have never seen anything like that before. I did rescue the bat before she went to town on it and started tearing it’s wings off, though.

Whoa, your cat caught a bat? Impressive!

I used to let mine do their thing until one time I forgot to keep an eye on them and didn’t know what they did with the remains. I found out a few days later, thanks to the smell. *gag*

I also used to sleep on the floor sometimes until the day I opened my eyes and saw that one of them had left her trophy about 12 inches from the end of my nose to make sure I saw it, I guess. I’ve never woken up so fast in my life. O_O

156 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 2:05:08pm

re: #149 GeneJockey

Right. It’s not fucking Holy Writ! It’s the second attempt to set up a working system of self-government, without a lot of examples to study. It was set up by wealthy white male landowners largely for the benefit of their kind of people, because they felt their kind of people should be in charge.

But more importantly, worship of the document and the insistence that it be interpreted precisely as The Founders saw things ignores the whole point of self-governance: The people ARE the government, and it is what we want it to be.

What I think a lot of them don’t know is the fact that a lot of people thought the Constitution was too big government and that the Bill of Rights wasn’t needed. My big peeve though I confess is lumping them all in one. I mean I like Washington but there was inevitably going to be political parties in the Republic for the simple reason of people are always going to disagree over the best vision for the country and will organize as such. That doesn’t mean there has to be rabid partisanship of course.

157 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 2:05:23pm

re: #153 b_sharp

Double upding for the Star Trek reference.

True nerdism.

I proudly admit to seeing the first broadcast of the first episode - The Man Trap, the one with the Salt Monster.

158 b_sharp  May 9, 2014 2:05:34pm

I can’t imagine how the libertarians would deal with something like climate change.

159 Kragar  May 9, 2014 2:06:50pm

Of course my youngest girl has effectively co-opted my entire Night Lords force, so I’m back to strictly Imperial forces nowadays for the most part.

I need to work on those Dark Eldar at some point

160 Decatur Deb  May 9, 2014 2:06:51pm

re: #158 b_sharp

I can’t imagine how the libertarians would deal with something like climate change.

Waders, at market value.

161 b_sharp  May 9, 2014 2:07:22pm

re: #157 GeneJockey

I proudly admit to seeing the first broadcast of the first episode - The Man Trap, the one with the Salt Monster.

I watched the original series in black & white. We didn’t get a colour TV until ‘68 or so.

162 Lidane  May 9, 2014 2:08:11pm

re: #158 b_sharp

I can’t imagine how the libertarians would deal with something like climate change.

BUY GOLD! BUY SEEDS! ELEVENTY!

163 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 2:08:19pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Now that seems like interesting reading material.

Some of it is genuinely cool, especially the bits about needed another beer supplier since the stuff they have been getting is substandard. You also have to read between lines, however, since this is the age of Elizabeth, and everything you write can be intercepted, read and used as evidence against you. Diaries simply did not exist. Getting actual unvarnished political opinions is next to impossible unless the person wrote in a cipher and thought it was secure. (Mary of Scots did that a lot. Some of it was intercepted by Lord Burghley or Walsingham, however and decrypted. I really do think in the end that she got a damned rotten deal in her treatment by Elizabeth)

164 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 2:08:29pm

re: #158 b_sharp

I can’t imagine how the libertarians would deal with something like climate change.

Simple - “If Climate Change is real, The Market will provide an efficient solution to the problem!”

Kinda like believing “God will provide”. Lots of people starve to death. Why didn’t God provide for THEM?

165 wrenchwench  May 9, 2014 2:08:54pm

re: #158 b_sharp

I can’t imagine how the libertarians would deal with something like climate change.

The free market has decreed that humankind must die.

166 CuriousLurker  May 9, 2014 2:09:04pm

re: #151 b_sharp

If it bleeds then euthanize it.

Um, no.

167 Decatur Deb  May 9, 2014 2:09:44pm

re: #166 CuriousLurker

Um, no.

Is your MickeyCare paid up?

168 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 2:09:46pm

re: #161 b_sharp

I watched the original series in black & white. We didn’t get a colour TV until ‘68 or so.

We didn’t get color TV until Pap and Gran got a new set to replace the one they got for their 50th Anniversary in 1966. It had patches of purple and green by the time we got it, sometime in the early-mid 70s.

169 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 2:10:08pm

re: #165 wrenchwench

The free market has decreed that humankind must die.

Valar Morghulis.

170 Pie-onist Overlord  May 9, 2014 2:10:10pm

Liberals please don’t do this.

171 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 2:10:22pm

re: #163 Aunty Entity Dragon

Some of it is genuinely cool, especially the bits about needed another beer supplier since the stuff they have been getting is substandard. You also have to read between lines, however, since this is the age of Elizabeth, and everything you write can be intercepted, read and used as evidence against you. Diaries simply did not exist. Getting actual unvarnished political opinions is next to impossible unless the person wrote in a cipher and thought it was secure. (Mary of Scots did that a lot. Some of it was intercepted by Lord Burghley or Walsingham, however and decrypted. I really do think in the end that she got a damned rotten deal in her treatment by Elizabeth)

I always thought she got a bad deal too. I don’t have sympathy for many monarchs but I really do think she got screwed over. It is interesting though how her descendants through her son ended up ruling England until the Hanover dynasty started after Anne died I believe.

172 HappyWarrior  May 9, 2014 2:11:19pm

re: #170 Pie-onist Overlord

Liberals please don’t do this.

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Yeah not right. He’s an asshole. Let him be an asshole on his own with his absurd analogies.

173 darthstar  May 9, 2014 2:11:48pm
174 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 2:12:17pm

re: #173 darthstar

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TMI!

175 William Barnett-Lewis  May 9, 2014 2:12:19pm

re: #126 Dr Lizardo

There are no states or nations? Really?

What a colossal ignoramus.

The right wing version of the “withering away of the state” fantasy of Marx.

176 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 2:13:01pm

re: #175 William Barnett-Lewis

The right wing version of the “withering away of the state” fantasy of Marx.

It’ll never happen because the economy is like Soylent Green - it’s made of people.

177 wrenchwench  May 9, 2014 2:14:27pm

re: #167 Decatur Deb

I just got a plastic card in the mail, indicating my new status as a person with health care coverage.

Thanks for your indirect encouragement. It did take a while.

178 darthstar  May 9, 2014 2:14:32pm
179 CuriousLurker  May 9, 2014 2:14:52pm

re: #167 Decatur Deb

Is your MickeyCare paid up?

I know we Muslims are supposed to be crazy violent, but I even feel mildly guilty when I have to kill pesky bugs. Killing a mammal or other critter that wasn’t out to kill me simply isn’t something I’m cut out to do. I just can’t.

180 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 2:15:04pm

re: #155 CuriousLurker

Whoa, your cat caught a bat? Impressive!

I used to let mine do their thing until one time I forgot to keep an eye on them and didn’t know what they did with the remains. I found out a few days later, thanks to the smell. *gag*

I also used to sleep on the floor sometimes until the day I opened my eyes and saw that one of them had left her trophy about 12 inches from the end of my nose to make sure I saw it, I guess. I’ve never woken up so fast in my life. O_O

LMAO!

Olivia was a street rescue, so she does not leave gifts for us. She is the sweetest cat until she catches a mouse. Then, she is like “Eff you, buddy! You want a mouse…go get yer own!!”

She will try to hide them from us…but they inevitably come limping or crawling out from behind a door or somesuch and then she bites them again and hides them somewhere else until she is hungry.

The bit with the bat was unbelievable. Bats were getting into all the townhouses in our block (they had to put up new screens on the chimneys and attics) and this one was lost in our living room trying to get out.

Fat chance, with Olivia the anti-aircraft artillery cat watching it. She exploded into the air and next I saw, it was pinned to the carpet while she was licking her chops. I was amazed and as proud as I could be. :) I got the critter away from her and took it outside to carry on with its’ bat mission, but I petted her and told her what a good, good kitty she was.

181 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 2:15:21pm

re: #173 darthstar

That reminds me of a Mother’s day card I saw a long time ago. As I recall, its punchline was something like “Thanks Mom, you sure do make dead things taste good.”

I still can’t believe that when I pointed this card out to a good friend of mine, he bought it and sent it to his mom.

182 wrenchwench  May 9, 2014 2:15:57pm

re: #169 GeneJockey

Valar Morghulis.

Had to look it up. ‘10th and last’ was about all I had to read.

183 Decatur Deb  May 9, 2014 2:16:25pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

I just got a plastic card in the mail, indicating my new status as a person with health care coverage.

Thanks for your indirect encouragement. It did take a while.

Now you can take up skydiving and skateboard shredding.

184 Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2014 2:17:42pm

re: #149 GeneJockey

Right. It’s not fucking Holy Writ! It’s the second attempt to set up a working system of self-government, without a lot of examples to study. It was set up by wealthy white male landowners largely for the benefit of their kind of people, because they felt their kind of people should be in charge.

But more importantly, worship of the document and the insistence that it be interpreted precisely as The Founders saw things ignores the whole point of self-governance: The people ARE the government, and it is what we want it to be.

By setting up the idea that the Constitution must be interpreted precisely as the Founding Fathers would have does nothing less than create the rule of those long dead. Society would quickly become static and moribund; such a society would certainly not be a good one to live in.

185 Shiplord Kirel  May 9, 2014 2:18:10pm

re: #170 Pie-onist Overlord

Liberals please don’t do this.

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Reminds me of something I said to a fellow science education advocate whose rhetoric had crossed the line:
“Okay, you can call them ‘creo-liars’ (my personal favorite), ‘creo-fools,’ ‘creo-frauds,’ or ‘creo-shit-eating-scum-of-the-earth’ but please do not call them ‘creo-tards.’”

186 b_sharp  May 9, 2014 2:18:23pm

re: #168 GeneJockey

We didn’t get color TV until Pap and Gran got a new set to replace the one they got for their 50th Anniversary in 1966. It had patches of purple and green by the time we got it, sometime in the early-mid 70s.

From ‘65 til ‘68 I was living with my grandparents in a small town where 30 ft tall antenna towers had to be used to get the 2 stations available. The picture was grainy as hell. Hockey and Startrek were the only ‘had to watch’ TV programs for me. Christian shows were always on, but I spent most of my time reading or outside.

187 b_sharp  May 9, 2014 2:18:42pm

re: #166 CuriousLurker

Um, no.

Why?

188 b_sharp  May 9, 2014 2:20:19pm

re: #179 CuriousLurker

I know we Muslims are supposed to be crazy violent, but I even feel mildly guilty when I have to kill pesky bugs. Killing a mammal or other critter that was out to kill me simply isn’t something I’m cut out to do. I just can’t.

I hate watching an animal suffer. If I think it’s not going to survive without help I either take it to the vet or put it down.

EDIT:
BTW, I live capture mice that wander into the house and let them go miles away.

189 Kragar  May 9, 2014 2:21:36pm

Todd Starnes is quite possibly more insane than previously thought

190 Mattand  May 9, 2014 2:22:50pm

re: #179 CuriousLurker

I know we Muslims are supposed to be crazy violent, but I even feel mildly guilty when I have to kill pesky bugs. Killing a mammal or other critter that was out to kill me simply isn’t something I’m cut out to do. I just can’t.

LOL, you’re giving Sam Harris and Bill Maher a sad.

191 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 2:23:52pm

re: #186 b_sharp

From ‘65 til ‘68 I was living with my grandparents in a small town where 30 ft tall antenna towers had to be used to get the 2 stations available. The picture was grainy as hell. Hockey and Startrek were the only ‘had to watch’ TV programs for me. Christian shows were always on, but I spent most of my time reading or outside.

From 1962 - 1975 I lived in a town like that. Most of the houses were 2-story, so folks just put the aerial up on their roof. We had a mast in the back yard, with a motor-driven rotator. You had to aim differently for the Baltimore stations than you did for WGAL in Lancaster. The Baltimore ABC station, WJZ, did not carry ‘Batman’, so I had to watch it, if I could even get it, on the Washington ABC station, WMAL.

Basically, we had got the 3 networks, plus one independent channel.

192 wrenchwench  May 9, 2014 2:24:32pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Now you can take up skydiving and skateboard shredding.

I could have started weeks ago! I’m covered since March first. This is what I’d really like to do.

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Lack of health care was not the only thing preventing that accomplishment.

193 Zamb  May 9, 2014 2:25:02pm

re: #189 Kragar

If you are always arguing with the enemy in your head you will never be wrong.

194 dog philosopher  May 9, 2014 2:25:15pm

re: #158 b_sharp

I can’t imagine how the libertarians would deal with something like climate change.

if we kill ourselves off our place in the galactic economy will be taken over by a more market-efficient species

195 Feline Fearless Leader  May 9, 2014 2:26:14pm

re: #151 b_sharp

If it bleeds then euthanize it.

That’s what I did with any small rodents caught within the house by my cats that happened to still be alive. Felines carrying out of their primary missions (from the human point of view).

196 Kragar  May 9, 2014 2:26:55pm

re: #193 Zamb

If you are always arguing with the enemy in your head you will never be wrong.

I can agree with that.
NO I CAN’T!
Shut up me!

197 CuriousLurker  May 9, 2014 2:27:13pm

re: #180 Aunty Entity Dragon

Amazing kitty, Olivia!

Yeah, cats that have been outside tend to be more lethal. Back in Queens, my ex used to let this big male stray (orange tabby) cat into the basement when he was playing his guitar. One day he started flipping out and hollering for me to come down there. Turned out the cat had caught a mouse and was standing there with the tail sticking out of his mouth. My ex was squealing in horror like a little girl, then—*GULP*—the mouse was gone. LOL

198 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 2:27:31pm

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

By setting up the idea that the Constitution must be interpreted precisely as the Founding Fathers would have does nothing less than create the rule of those long dead. Society would quickly become static and moribund; such a society would certainly not be a good one to live in.

So, how is that different from religious fundamentalism, which is what Originalism reminds me of, the belief that rules written to govern a sparsely populated agrarian republic are just the thing to govern a post-industrial nation of >300,000,000.

199 Shiplord Kirel  May 9, 2014 2:28:22pm

re: #186 b_sharp

From ‘65 til ‘68 I was living with my grandparents in a small town where 30 ft tall antenna towers had to be used to get the 2 stations available. The picture was grainy as hell. Hockey and Startrek were the only ‘had to watch’ TV programs for me. Christian shows were always on, but I spent most of my time reading or outside.

We got three TV channels when we lived in Colorado Springs in the early 60s.
Channels 11 (ABC) and 13 (CBS) were in the Springs and came in pretty clearly. The third one, NBC channel 5, was in Pueblo and was hit or miss, usually miss unless you had a huge antenna.
Oddly, Lubbock had the same channels when we moved there, 5, 11, and 13, but the network lineup was different. Channel 11 (KCBD) was NBC. Channel 13 (KLBK) handled both CBS and ABC. This mix and match approach was the reason I missed the first season of the original Star Trek, KLBK had rejected it in favor of the CBS offering in that slot. Channel 5 (KTXT) was Texas Tech’s newfangled educational station. Even then had some good stuff on it, but the signal was, sure enough, a little grainy. In Lubbock this was because of low transmitter power rather than distance.
To this day, I am momentarily surprised if I change to channel 5 anywhere and find that it is coming in clearly.

200 CuriousLurker  May 9, 2014 2:28:35pm

re: #188 b_sharp

I hate watching an animal suffer. If I think it’s not going to survive without help I either take it to the vet or put it down.

I hate watching it suffer too, but I don’t have a car nor do I know of any vet around here. I don’t have the heart to put it down myself. Impossible.

201 b_sharp  May 9, 2014 2:29:39pm

re: #191 GeneJockey

From 1962 - 1975 I lived in a town like that. Most of the houses were 2-story, so folks just put the aerial up on their roof. We had a mast in the back yard, with a motor-driven rotator. You had to aim differently for the Baltimore stations than you did for WGAL in Lancaster. The Baltimore ABC station, WJZ, did not carry ‘Batman’, so I had to watch it, if I could even get it, on the Washington ABC station, WMAL.

Basically, we had got the 3 networks, plus one independent channel.

We had 2 stations available, both in a city some 50 miles away so the antenna didn’t need to be adjusted. Grandpa just aligned it so the picture quality kind of evened out.

My creationist grandparents didn’t allow us to watch many shows.

202 darthstar  May 9, 2014 2:31:31pm
203 Mattand  May 9, 2014 2:32:10pm

re: #180 Aunty Entity Dragon

Years ago, I was out back with the family cat. She was running down a mouse that managed to hide under a piece of newspaper, which somehow had blown into the yard. For whatever reason, Midnight decided to wait the mouse out, intently staring at its impromptu newspulp fort.

Feeling bad for Jerry, I figured I’d give him a sporting chance: I’d quickly grab the paper, run interference on the cat, and Jerry would live another day to eat cheese and carve out U-shaped mouse holes.

Well, that was the plan, anyway. To this day, I’m still stunned at the speed of our cat. In the half-second it took me to lift the paper, Midnight swooped, grabbed the hapless rodent, and was already 10 feet from me and gaining speed. I might as well have been moving in slow motion.

The moral of the story? Nature is going to take its course whether you want it to or not.

204 Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2014 2:32:20pm

re: #198 GeneJockey

So, how is that different from religious fundamentalism, which is what Originalism reminds me of, the belief that rules written to govern a sparsely populated agrarian republic are just the thing to govern a post-industrial nation of >300,000,000.

It is not different; it’s a form of political fundamentalism, tinged with religiosity.

The Most High Cult of the Constitution, where the Founding Fathers have been elevated to the status of deities.

205 Decatur Deb  May 9, 2014 2:32:25pm

re: #192 wrenchwench

I could have started weeks ago! I’m covered since March first. This is what I’d really like to do.

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Lack of health care was not the only thing preventing that accomplishment.

Yeah—there’s some potential for closed fractures, there. Was that metal “Pulsojango” device in the opening credit a home-made pulse-jet engine?

206 b_sharp  May 9, 2014 2:32:25pm

re: #200 CuriousLurker

I hate watching it suffer too, but I don’t have a car nor do I know of any vet around here. I don’t have the heart to put it down myself. Impossible.

They really can’t do much for an animal as small as a mouse though. We tried to get them to fix a broken leg on one of my daughter’s gerbils and they couldn’t do much.

207 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 2:32:32pm

re: #189 Kragar

Todd Starnes is quite possibly more insane than previously thought

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Looks like he has been gratifying himself with bedtime stories from the Turner Diaries and those wingnut North American Confederacy novels by L Neil Smith where George Washington was executed as a traitor after Shay’s Rebellion succeeds, and Ayn Rand serves as POTUS (which is ceremonial and has no actual power) while America is technologically a hundred years ahead of where we are now…because FREEDOM!

208 Decatur Deb  May 9, 2014 2:33:21pm

re: #200 CuriousLurker

I hate watching it suffer too, but I don’t have a car nor do I know of any vet around here. I don’t have the heart to put it down myself. Impossible.

Put it behind the car wheel. Go shopping.

209 b_sharp  May 9, 2014 2:34:02pm

Time to go get the wife and explain to her I don’t have any money to put in the house account.

Not looking forward to it.

210 thedopefishlives  May 9, 2014 2:34:02pm

Evening Lizardim. When is the next shipment of jackboots due? I seem to have outgrown mine. How go things among the lizardfolk?

211 Mattand  May 9, 2014 2:34:50pm

re: #191 GeneJockey

From 1962 - 1975 I lived in a town like that. Most of the houses were 2-story, so folks just put the aerial up on their roof. We had a mast in the back yard, with a motor-driven rotator. You had to aim differently for the Baltimore stations than you did for WGAL in Lancaster. The Baltimore ABC station, WJZ, did not carry ‘Batman’, so I had to watch it, if I could even get it, on the Washington ABC station, WMAL.

Basically, we had got the 3 networks, plus one independent channel.

Wow. WJZ. Hadn’t thought of those call letters for years. WBAL, too.

I remember getting our first color TV when I was a kid in MD. I think the first thing the delivery guy did was turn on Sesame Street for me and my brother.

212 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 2:35:49pm

re: #196 Kragar

I can agree with that.
NO I CAN’T!
Shut up me!

metacafe.com

Mel Brookes, so seriously NSFW

213 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 2:35:49pm

re: #204 Dr Lizardo

It is not different; it’s a form of political fundamentalism, tinged with religiosity.

The Most High Cult of the Constitution, where the Founding Fathers have been elevated to the status of deities.

Complete with the rewriting of their biographies, and denial of their less appealing actions.

Did you know, for example, that despite what everyone at the time knew and DNA confirmed, ol’ Tom Jefferson did NOT bang Sally Hemings? And if you say so, it’s because you hate America. Oh, and he WANTED TO release his slaves, he really did! Somehow, he just never managed it.

214 wrenchwench  May 9, 2014 2:35:50pm

re: #205 Decatur Deb

Yeah—there’s some potential for closed fractures, there. Was that metal “Pulsojango” device in the opening credit a home-made pulse-jet engine?

Why, yes. I believe it was.

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215 dog philosopher  May 9, 2014 2:37:40pm

slavlibertarian’s theory is straight out of baukunin’s anarcho-syndicalism

216 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 2:39:11pm

re: #203 Mattand

Years ago, I was out back with the family cat. She was running down a mouse that managed to hide under a piece of newspaper, which somehow had blown into the yard. For whatever reason, Midnight decided to wait the mouse out, intently staring at its impromptu newspulp fort.

Feeling bad for Jerry, I figured I’d give him a sporting chance: I’d quickly grab the paper, run interference on the cat, and Jerry would live another day to eat cheese and carve out U-shaped mouse holes.

Well, that was the plan, anyway. To this day, I’m still stunned at the speed of our cat. In the half-second it took me to lift the paper, Midnight swooped, grabbed the hapless rodent, and was already 10 feet from me and gaining speed. I might as well have been moving in slow motion.

The moral of the story? Nature is going to take its course whether you want it to or not.

My wife spent a summer with a family that had several cats, including one old, blind one called Uncle Bubby. He could navigate around just fine, but he’d forget where he was when he fell asleep, so when he fell asleep on a step, he’d wake up and launch into midair. Always landed on his feet, though.

She told me about watching him ‘watch’ a moth fluttering around a light, seeing his ears pan around with the moth’s flight. And she told me about the night a squirrel got into the house, and not one of the other, sighted cats could catch it, but blind Uncle Bubby did.

217 Shiplord Kirel  May 9, 2014 2:39:37pm

re: #201 b_sharp

We had 2 stations available, both in a city some 50 miles away so the antenna didn’t need to be adjusted. Grandpa just aligned it so the picture quality kind of evened out.

My creationist grandparents didn’t allow us to watch many shows.

For three years in the 50s, I didn’t watch anything on TV but Highway Patrol with Broderick Crawford. This was because we lived in Japan and there was no English language programming available except NHK’s broadcast of Highway Patrol in English. They did this twice a week, just after the Japanese dubbed version. I was just 4 when we got there, right after the Korean War, and we had come almost straight from the UK. I had never been in the States except for brief visits to my grandparents in Texas. I deduced that my nominal homeland was primarily a place inhabited by brassy blondes and gravelly voiced tough guys who spent an inordinate amount of time running up and down godforsaken desert roads, fighting, and shooting at each other.

218 Kragar  May 9, 2014 2:40:14pm

re: #215 dog philosopher

slavlibertarian’s theory is straight out of baukunin’s anarcho-syndicalism

I thought we were an autonomous collective

219 Decatur Deb  May 9, 2014 2:40:15pm

re: #214 wrenchwench

Why, yes. I believe it was.

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That’s a guy who’s going to appreciate his national health care.

220 CuriousLurker  May 9, 2014 2:41:49pm

re: #190 Mattand

LOL, you’re giving Sam Harris and Bill Maher a sad.

I know, right? I’m totally ruining our street creds.

You should’ve seen the time the halal butcher gave me a chicken with the head & feet included in the bag—something I wasn’t aware of till I got home and pulled it out. I’m sure the blood-curdling scream was heard several doors down.

Next time I bought chicken from that guy it was like, “Look, I’m American—I don’t want to be reminded that my food was once a real live chicken, m’kay? No. More. Heads. Or. Feet. Got it?” He just sorta shook his head & shrugged, heh.

221 Kragar  May 9, 2014 2:42:08pm

Libertarianism requires everyone to have full access to every possible bit of information on every subject, then react to it all in a uniform and rational matter.

Which works out great as long as you know everything and never disagree with anyone.

222 dog philosopher  May 9, 2014 2:43:44pm

re: #218 Kragar

I thought we were an autonomous collective

don’t oppress me with naming conventions i didn’t agree to, you fascist!!

223 Kragar  May 9, 2014 2:44:12pm
224 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 2:44:40pm

re: #220 CuriousLurker

I know, right? I’m totally ruining our street creds.

You should’ve seen the time the halal butcher gave me a chicken with the head & feet included in the bag—something I wasn’t aware of till I got home and pulled it out. I’m sure the blood-curdling scream was heard several doors down.

Next time I bought chicken from that guy it was like, “Look, I’m American—I don’t want to be reminded that my food was once a real live chicken, m’kay? No. More. Heads. Or. Feet. Got it?” He just sorta shook his head & shrugged, heh.

“Oh, yes! Very nice! But…you see…he’s SMILING at me!”

“Oh!” *CHOP!*

225 Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2014 2:45:11pm

re: #220 CuriousLurker

I know, right? I’m totally ruining our street creds.

You should’ve seen the time the halal butcher gave me a chicken with the head & feet included in the bag—something I wasn’t aware of till I got home and pulled it out. I’m sure the blood-curdling scream was heard several doors down.

Next time I bought chicken from that guy it was like, “Look, I’m American—I don’t want to be reminded that my food was once a real live chicken, m’kay? No. More. Heads. Or. Feet. Got it?” He just sorta shook his head & shrugged, heh.

When I lived in Kreuzberg, Berlin, there was a Turkish grocery store with a halal butcher - good cuts of meat and all quite fresh. But I never had a chicken head and feet, and I did a lot of shopping there for the Wohngemeinschaft. It was about one block away, so of course, very convenient.

226 thedopefishlives  May 9, 2014 2:45:21pm

re: #223 Kragar

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Comparing Russia to the South? That’s not very fair to Russia.

227 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 2:45:58pm

re: #221 Kragar

Libertarianism requires everyone to have full access to every possible bit of information on every subject, then react to it all in a uniform and rational matter.

Which works out great as long as you know everything and never disagree with anyone.

Unfortunately, the Mad Max universe is how libertarianism winds up.

No government=Lord Humongous

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228 Decatur Deb  May 9, 2014 2:47:17pm

re: #220 CuriousLurker

I know, right? I’m totally ruining our street creds.

You should’ve seen the time the halal butcher gave me a chicken with the head & feet included in the bag—something I wasn’t aware of till I got home and pulled it out. I’m sure the blood-curdling scream was heard several doors down.

Next time I bought chicken from that guy it was like, “Look, I’m American—I don’t want to be reminded that my food was once a real live chicken, m’kay? No. More. Heads. Or. Feet. Got it?” He just sorta shook his head & shrugged, heh.

When I was 6, one of my farm chores was to hold the chickens while an adult whacked their heads off with a hatchet. First time, I let it go and had to chase the headless hen through the woods for 5 minutes.

229 Kragar  May 9, 2014 2:48:00pm
230 gwangung  May 9, 2014 2:48:02pm

re: #221 Kragar

Libertarianism requires everyone to have full access to every possible bit of information on every subject, then react to it all in a uniform and rational matter.

Which works out great as long as you know everything and never disagree with anyone.

And EVERYONE resists the temptation to rig the system by withholding information or out and out cheating.

231 Kragar  May 9, 2014 2:48:38pm

re: #227 Aunty Entity Dragon

Unfortunately, the Mad Max universe is how libertarianism winds up.

No government=Lord Humongous

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I’d hate to think my collection of hockey masks and loin clothes are just going to go to waste.

232 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 2:49:10pm

re: #220 CuriousLurker

I know, right? I’m totally ruining our street creds.

You should’ve seen the time the halal butcher gave me a chicken with the head & feet included in the bag—something I wasn’t aware of till I got home and pulled it out. I’m sure the blood-curdling scream was heard several doors down.

Next time I bought chicken from that guy it was like, “Look, I’m American—I don’t want to be reminded that my food was once a real live chicken, m’kay? No. More. Heads. Or. Feet. Got it?” He just sorta shook his head & shrugged, heh.

Also reminds me of a time when we were doing a commemorative dinner for a Post-Doc who was moving on, at a very nice Chinese restaurant. One of the dishes was a salt-roasted chicken, and being a real Chinese place they left the head on the platter. The folks sitting around the table couldn’t take their eyes off it, so the Post-Doc put it on a little dish, and covered it with a teacup, to hide it.

My boss arrived late (as usual), looked around the table, and said, “Geez! Is there anything left?”

The Post-Doc said, “Here, Dan, we saved this for you!”

And handed him the little plate and teacup.

233 dog philosopher  May 9, 2014 2:51:58pm

in the libertarian utopia there will be no government or taxes

so all you will have to do is pay private companies for your military protection - including world class weaponry, defense research, and veterans’ benefits - police protection, fire brigades, sewer system, drug testing, food safety inspection and certification, streets, street lighting, and highways

you’ll have so much money left over because you won’t have to pay any stinking taxes!!!

234 Shiplord Kirel  May 9, 2014 2:52:06pm

re: #217 Shiplord Kirel

In his autobiography, Kaffir Boy, South African tennis player Mark Mathabane describes what it was like growing up in the segregated township of Alexandra in the 60s.
When school was out, the kids’ primary recreation was a third run movie house that showed mostly Italian westerns and gladiator movies, with a little bit of bad Japanese sci-fi. He relates that at the age of 4 or 5, he became convinced from this that white people spent most of their time killing each other, and that his own people were walled up in the township for their own protection. If you wandered outside you might easily get caught up in a gun duel or a gladiatorial combat. He figured the white policemen and teachers he knew were the tame ones, though even these often had guns (probably for use on their way home).

235 Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2014 2:52:07pm

re: #231 Kragar

I’d hate to think my collection of hockey masks and loin clothes are just going to go to waste.

You’ll need to find an appropriate toady to proclaim you “The Ayatollah of Rock-and-Rolla!”

236 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 2:52:29pm

re: #231 Kragar

I’d hate to think my collection of hockey masks and loin clothes are just going to go to waste.

In all seriousness, anarchic societies become hellholes of rape, famine and genocide. That is the nature of things when you lose the power to restrain the strong from preying on everyone else.

237 dog philosopher  May 9, 2014 2:52:42pm

re: #221 Kragar

Libertarianism requires everyone to have full access to every possible bit of information on every subject, then react to it all in a uniform and rational matter.

libertarianism requires that you be dead if you fail to do this

238 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 2:53:49pm

re: #237 dog philosopher

libertarianism requires that you be dead if you fail to do this

Bioshock?

239 Jack Burton  May 9, 2014 2:54:24pm

re: #221 Kragar

Libertarianism requires everyone to have full access to every possible bit of information on every subject, then react to it all in a uniform and rational matter.

Which works out great as long as you know everything and never disagree with anyone.

It’s even more of an unworkable utopian fantasy-land than communism is. Instead of taking years or decades to collapse (after turning dystopic way before that), it’s more like weeks or months and the dystopic turn in days.

They are both pseudo-intellectual mental masturbation for people who specialize at ignoring reality.

240 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 2:55:18pm

re: #236 Aunty Entity Dragon

In all seriousness, anarchic societies become hellholes of rape, famine and genocide. That is the nature of things when you lose the power to restrain the strong from preying on everyone else.

But they wouldn’t be ALLOWED to do that!

Seriously. One libertarian tried to argue that. In a libertarian society, he said, nobody would be exploited, because nobody would have the right to expoit anyone else.

I said, “How are you going to stop it?”

Crickets.

241 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 2:56:00pm

Getting out of here to take my kid to see captain America again. :)

242 Pie-onist Overlord  May 9, 2014 2:56:01pm

re: #158 b_sharp

I can’t imagine how the libertarians would deal with something like climate change.

They would totally support extortionists and price-gougers hoarding supplies, as long as they were the price-gougers.

And if they didn’t have the supplies, they’d just TAKE THERE GUNS and take all the supplies they need from the price-gougers!

And then sell supplies to people without guns, at gouged prices.

243 Kragar  May 9, 2014 2:56:11pm

re: #240 GeneJockey

But they wouldn’t be ALLOWED to do that!

Seriously. One libertarian tried to argue that. In a libertarian society, he said, nobody would be exploited, because nobody would have the right to expoit anyone else.

I said, “How are you going to stop it?”

Crickets.

Voluntarily.
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244 Kragar  May 9, 2014 2:56:47pm

re: #242 Pie-onist Overlord

They would totally support extortionists and price-gougers hoarding supplies, as long as they were the price-gougers.

And if they didn’t have the supplies, they’d just TAKE THERE GUNS and take all the supplies they need from the price-gougers!

And then sell supplies to people without guns, at gouged prices.

“MOLON LABE!”

245 Pie-onist Overlord  May 9, 2014 2:58:06pm

re: #213 GeneJockey

Complete with the rewriting of their biographies, and denial of their less appealing actions.

Did you know, for example, that despite what everyone at the time knew and DNA confirmed, ol’ Tom Jefferson did NOT bang Sally Hemings? And if you say so, it’s because you hate America. Oh, and he WANTED TO release his slaves, he really did! Somehow, he just never managed it.

Yeah because, debts and stuff.

246 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 9, 2014 3:01:11pm

re: #240 GeneJockey

But they wouldn’t be ALLOWED to do that!

Seriously. One libertarian tried to argue that. In a libertarian society, he said, nobody would be exploited, because nobody would have the right to expoit anyone else.

I said, “How are you going to stop it?”

Crickets.

You ALWAYS have to invoke a Deux Ex Machina (the perpetual motion device of Galt’s Gulch etc) to get this to work.

If your dream society does not conform to actual human experience, well…we have to fix humans!

Somehow.

The Soviets kept running into the same problem and had to re-introduce small scale capitalism just before Lenin died to keep food supplies up (I don’t care if it works in practice…does it work in theory?)

247 CuriousLurker  May 9, 2014 3:01:48pm

re: #225 Dr Lizardo

When I lived in Kreuzberg, Berlin, there was a Turkish grocery store with a halal butcher - good cuts of meat and all quite fresh. But I never had a chicken head and feet, and I did a lot of shopping there for the Wohngemeinschaft. It was about one block away, so of course, very convenient.

These guys were Egyptian. None of the other halal butchers I’ve been to have ever given me the head & feet either. I guess I was just lucky. //

I’ve gotta tell ya though, you know what’s fun? Going to ginormous Chinese grocery stores in Queens and trying to figure out what some of the stuff is. Grocery stores in heavily Mexican neighborhoods back in Texas were good for things like cow, pig, and goat heads, chicken feet, tripe, intestines, etc.

There’s a grocery store a few blocks from my house that caters mostly to Central & South Americans as well as some Haitians & Jamaicans. The meat & deli section can get pretty scary. The canned goods & dried stuff are fascinating, and the cheese aisle is impressive.

248 CuriousLurker  May 9, 2014 3:03:08pm

re: #232 GeneJockey

Also reminds me of a time when we were doing a commemorative dinner for a Post-Doc who was moving on, at a very nice Chinese restaurant. One of the dishes was a salt-roasted chicken, and being a real Chinese place they left the head on the platter. The folks sitting around the table couldn’t take their eyes off it, so the Post-Doc put it on a little dish, and covered it with a teacup, to hide it.

My boss arrived late (as usual), looked around the table, and said, “Geez! Is there anything left?”

The Post-Doc said, “Here, Dan, we saved this for you!”

And handed him the little plate and teacup.

Hahahahaha. That;s evil.

249 dog philosopher  May 9, 2014 3:04:26pm

“‘A federated, decentralised system of free associations, incorporating economic as well as other social institutions, would be what I refer to as anarcho-syndicalism; and it seems to me that this is the appropriate form of social organisation for an advanced technological society in which human beings do not have to be forced into the position of tools, of cogs in the machine. There is no longer any social necessity for human beings to be treated as mechanical elements in the productive process; that can be overcome and we must overcome it to be a society of freedom and free association, in which the creative urge that I consider intrinsic to human nature will in fact be able to realize itself in whatever way it will.”

250 Pie-onist Overlord  May 9, 2014 3:05:51pm

re: #229 Kragar

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251 GeneJockey  May 9, 2014 3:06:28pm

re: #250 Pie-onist Overlord

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Bingo.

252 Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2014 3:07:17pm

re: #247 CuriousLurker

These guys were Egyptian. None of the other halal butchers I’ve been to have ever given me the head & feet either. I guess I was just lucky. //

I’ve gotta tell ya though, you know what’s fun? Going to ginormous Chinese grocery stores in Queens and trying to figure out what some of the stuff is. Grocery stores in heavily Mexican neighborhoods back in Texas were good for things like cow, pig, and goat heads, chicken feet, tripe, intestines, etc.

There’s a grocery store a few blocks from my house that caters mostly to Central & South Americans as well as some Haitians & Jamaicans. The meat & deli section can get pretty scary. The canned goods & dried stuff are fascinating, and the cheese aisle is impressive.

Here in Ostrava, there isn’t quite that level of variety, unfortunately. When I want Shiracha sauce, I usually go to a Vietnamese store, but they don’t sell meat or anything like that; just condiments and instant Pho soup. There isn’t a Chinese market here, or anything like that. There’s a kosher deli in Prague, but that’s a few hours away.

I’ve never really looked at Brno; they have the second-largest population of foreigners outside of Prague.

253 dog philosopher  May 9, 2014 3:11:01pm

re: #238 Aunty Entity Dragon

Bioshock?

what i’m thinking of is what libertarians think will happen to people who don’t make the correct choices in a totally voluntary totally privatized society which therefore would have to operate by the law of the jungle

where if you fail you become lunch

254 Pie-onist Overlord  May 9, 2014 3:13:51pm

re: #220 CuriousLurker

I know, right? I’m totally ruining our street creds.

You should’ve seen the time the halal butcher gave me a chicken with the head & feet included in the bag—something I wasn’t aware of till I got home and pulled it out. I’m sure the blood-curdling scream was heard several doors down.

Next time I bought chicken from that guy it was like, “Look, I’m American—I don’t want to be reminded that my food was once a real live chicken, m’kay? No. More. Heads. Or. Feet. Got it?” He just sorta shook his head & shrugged, heh.

When I lived in Jerusalem, about the time of the Yom Kippur War, I used to buy chickens from this butcher shop in Mea Shearim where you picked a live chicken out of a pen and gave it to the shochet, and he killed it. Then they gave it to an Arab woman to pluck and gut, and the shochet would inspect the lungs for lesions that would make the chicken not kosher. If the chicken wasn’t kosher, the Arab woman got to keep it. If it was kosher, then I bought it. I could take it home and complete the kashering process (soak in water, leave in salt, rinse & repeat) or pay an extra shekel and they would kasher it.

My daughter who lives in Jerusalem says there are still places like that, but she goes to a modern Supr-Shuk where they have the kosher chicken in shrink wrap, just like here.

255 Zamb  May 9, 2014 3:14:08pm

re: #253 dog philosopher

People only make bad decisions in order to suck of the government teet.

256 dog philosopher  May 9, 2014 3:14:11pm

re: #240 GeneJockey

But they wouldn’t be ALLOWED to do that!

Seriously. One libertarian tried to argue that. In a libertarian society, he said, nobody would be exploited, because nobody would have the right to expoit anyone else.

I said, “How are you going to stop it?”

Crickets.

i want to live in a librarian society because i’m sick and tired of all this loud talking

257 wrenchwench  May 9, 2014 3:14:51pm

re: #247 CuriousLurker

These guys were Egyptian. None of the other halal butchers I’ve been to have ever given me the head & feet either. I guess I was just lucky. //

I’ve gotta tell ya though, you know what’s fun? Going to ginormous Chinese grocery stores in Queens and trying to figure out what some of the stuff is. Grocery stores in heavily Mexican neighborhoods back in Texas were good for things like cow, pig, and goat heads, chicken feet, tripe, intestines, etc.

There’s a grocery store a few blocks from my house that caters mostly to Central & South Americans as well as some Haitians & Jamaicans. The meat & deli section can get pretty scary. The canned goods & dried stuff are fascinating, and the cheese aisle is impressive.

My mom always took out-of-town visitors on ‘misguided tours’ of LA, including the Watts Towers, the Bradbury Building and Grand Central Market, which is a big open market with lots of stalls including butchers’ shops with tongues and trotters and sheep’s heads. They moved the border, but Mexico is still there.

258 jaunte  May 9, 2014 3:17:24pm

re: #249 dog philosopher

Florida Libertarian:
members.jacksonville.com

259 Gus  May 9, 2014 3:20:13pm

260 Zamb  May 9, 2014 3:20:41pm

re: #258 jaunte

See we don’t need police or a justice system with upright citizens there to police themselves, because we all know if you think someone might have done something like break into your car that is on equal footing with evidence and a fair trial.

261 Gus  May 9, 2014 3:21:11pm
262 jaunte  May 9, 2014 3:21:14pm

re: #259 Gus

Definitely has a Zardoz beat going on.

263 wrenchwench  May 9, 2014 3:21:15pm

re: #259 Gus

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Only as dumb as an individual hammer.

264 thedopefishlives  May 9, 2014 3:21:41pm

re: #261 Gus

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Wow, the President only costs $39.88? I want one.

265 thedopefishlives  May 9, 2014 3:22:12pm

re: #259 Gus

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It goes derp when you hit things with it.

266 Gus  May 9, 2014 3:23:27pm

re: #263 wrenchwench

Only as dumb as an individual hammer.

I have a box of hammers.

267 jaunte  May 9, 2014 3:24:22pm

re: #266 Gus

Handy for opening a beer.

268 ObserverArt  May 9, 2014 3:25:44pm

re: #160 Decatur Deb

Waders, at market value.

Don’t forget the generic low cost sunscreen and the pot farming to soak up some of that extra co2.

And oh yeah…solar driven smart phones to keep connected on the ‘net.

269 freetoken  May 9, 2014 3:26:55pm

re: #261 Gus

He’d seem out of place on the peopleofwalmart website.

270 Gus  May 9, 2014 3:28:34pm

re: #269 freetoken

He’d seem out of place on the peopleofwalmart website.

Yep. I like that pic.

271 jaunte  May 9, 2014 3:28:58pm
272 aagcobb  May 9, 2014 3:28:59pm

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

By setting up the idea that the Constitution must be interpreted precisely as the Founding Fathers would have does nothing less than create the rule of those long dead. Society would quickly become static and moribund; such a society would certainly not be a good one to live in.

There are timeless principles in the Constitution which can be applied to current situations. Due process and equal protection of the law mean the same thing now as it did in the 19th Century, even if a 19th Century white man would never have imagined same-sex marriage might be a thing.

273 Gus  May 9, 2014 3:30:41pm

OBAMA IS WALKING BY A DISPLAY OF TYRANNICAL LED LIGHT BULBS!!11ty

274 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 3:33:55pm

re: #229 Kragar

Because everybody has a Constitutional Right to a tv show. (I see VB beat me to it. You really can’t just jump back in here after a few hours without catching up, can you?)

Can Bryan get any dumber?

275 aagcobb  May 9, 2014 3:34:04pm

re: #179 CuriousLurker

I know we Muslims are supposed to be crazy violent, but I even feel mildly guilty when I have to kill pesky bugs. Killing a mammal or other critter that wasn’t out to kill me simply isn’t something I’m cut out to do. I just can’t.

TAQIYYA!!!////

276 thedopefishlives  May 9, 2014 3:34:08pm

re: #271 jaunte

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“A routine training exercise, isn’t that your usual BS?”

277 William Barnett-Lewis  May 9, 2014 3:34:30pm

Well, time for me to get ready to go out for a change. A Minneapolis indy band named “Communist Daughter” is playing in town so I’m off to see what they’re like live. Their recordings are a wee bit too much like Bon Iver so I’m hoping a little more originality shines through in concert. At least that’s not a bad influence, I just prefer bands to have their own sound. Still, it’s a cheap show ($15) so I’ll go, enjoy and have a couple fo beers and have a good time.

Perhaps if i’m up to it, I’ll post a review when I get back here.

Later Lizards.

278 jaunte  May 9, 2014 3:34:54pm
279 jaunte  May 9, 2014 3:36:58pm

Unit cost US$24-30 million (1996)
en.wikipedia.org

280 Gus  May 9, 2014 3:38:17pm

re: #279 jaunte

Unit cost US$24-30 million (1996)
en.wikipedia.org

Hey. Was on that. Was thinking about what will happen when an F-35B goes down. $200 million.

281 aagcobb  May 9, 2014 3:38:53pm

re: #213 GeneJockey

Complete with the rewriting of their biographies, and denial of their less appealing actions.

Did you know, for example, that despite what everyone at the time knew and DNA confirmed, ol’ Tom Jefferson did NOT bang Sally Hemings? And if you say so, it’s because you hate America. Oh, and he WANTED TO release his slaves, he really did! Somehow, he just never managed it.

I was watching an interview with a snobbish Jefferson descendant one time, and she said something like “there is such a thing as a moral impossibility.” Yeah right, Jefferson wasn’t too moral to own other human beings but he was too moral to bang one?

282 Gus  May 9, 2014 3:40:22pm
283 Gus  May 9, 2014 3:40:58pm
284 thedopefishlives  May 9, 2014 3:41:02pm

re: #280 Gus

Hey. Was on that. Was thinking about what will happen when an F-35B goes down. $200 million.

But the F-35B is perfect, it’ll never crash!

[Cough.]

285 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 3:42:06pm

Hey, how about another Florida Man story?

77-year-old Florida man tasered after trying to escape alleged bank robbery with walker

OYNTON BEACH , Fla., May 8 (UPI) — An elderly Florida man was tasered after he tried to make a very slow getaway following an alleged bank robbery in Boynton Beach.

Russell Cooper was at a PNC Bank attempting to withdraw money when he became “increasingly agitated” after a manager told him a “consistent lack of funds” had led his account to be closed.

The 77-year-old then pulled out a pocketknife and demanded the manager help him get the $130 he had requested, the Sun-Sentinel reported. After getting the money, Cooper attempted to escape using his walker while holding the manager hostage at knifepoint.

Read more: upi.com

Read more: upi.com

286 freetoken  May 9, 2014 3:42:12pm

re: #281 aagcobb

More accurately, DNA indicates that Sally bore a male from a Jefferson male, but it cannot conclusively prove it was ol’ Tom who did the deed.

However, since she was in his company quite a bit, even on extensive travels, we conclude that Tom was the father.

287 dog philosopher  May 9, 2014 3:42:13pm

re: #269 freetoken

He’d seem out of place on the peopleofwalmart website.

gohmert has a net worth of -$150,000, making him just about the poorest congressman

288 Feline Fearless Leader  May 9, 2014 3:42:55pm

re: #220 CuriousLurker

I know, right? I’m totally ruining our street creds.

You should’ve seen the time the halal butcher gave me a chicken with the head & feet included in the bag—something I wasn’t aware of till I got home and pulled it out. I’m sure the blood-curdling scream was heard several doors down.

Next time I bought chicken from that guy it was like, “Look, I’m American—I don’t want to be reminded that my food was once a real live chicken, m’kay? No. More. Heads. Or. Feet. Got it?” He just sorta shook his head & shrugged, heh.

(Makes note to avoid eating dim sum with CL.)

289 aagcobb  May 9, 2014 3:43:10pm

re: #236 Aunty Entity Dragon

In all seriousness, anarchic societies become hellholes of rape, famine and genocide. That is the nature of things when you lose the power to restrain the strong from preying on everyone else.

See Mogadishu; libertarian paradise.

290 ObserverArt  May 9, 2014 3:43:25pm

re: #220 CuriousLurker

I know, right? I’m totally ruining our street creds.

You should’ve seen the time the halal butcher gave me a chicken with the head & feet included in the bag—something I wasn’t aware of till I got home and pulled it out. I’m sure the blood-curdling scream was heard several doors down.

Next time I bought chicken from that guy it was like, “Look, I’m American—I don’t want to be reminded that my food was once a real live chicken, m’kay? No. More. Heads. Or. Feet. Got it?” He just sorta shook his head & shrugged, heh.

That was all for the voodoo altar you were supposed to build.

Oh wait, that’s a Catholic offshoot.

: )

291 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 3:43:44pm

re: #261 Gus

That has to be the cleanest WalMart I’ve ever seen.

292 wrenchwench  May 9, 2014 3:43:47pm

re: #283 Gus

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Yikes. I wonder if it showed up on a seismograph.

293 freetoken  May 9, 2014 3:44:20pm

re: #291 Skip Intro

That has to be the cleanest WalMart I’ve ever seen.

I was about to write that. That floor is quite polished.

294 Lidane  May 9, 2014 3:46:02pm

re: #285 Skip Intro

Hey, how about another Florida Man story?

77-year-old Florida man tasered after trying to escape alleged bank robbery with walker

Read more: upi.com

I see your Florida Man and raise you a Texas Man:

295 Gus  May 9, 2014 3:46:52pm

re: #294 Lidane

I see your Florida Man and raise you a Texas Man:

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A man’s got to do what a man’s got to do.

296 Pie-onist Overlord  May 9, 2014 3:46:56pm

re: #291 Skip Intro

That has to be the cleanest WalMart I’ve ever seen.

They made a bunch of employees work overtime for no pay to wax and polish the floor.

297 freetoken  May 9, 2014 3:47:13pm

BTW, there was another GOHMERT! sighting:

House Republicans Grill Comcast Over Plans to Merge With Time Warner Cable

[…]

Even if they have not come out against it, of concern to some lawmakers was the ability of independent channels, particularly startups, to find and retain carriage. Patrick Gottsch, founder and chairman of Rural Media Group, told the panel that Comcast dropped carriage of its RFD TV in Colorado and New Mexico markets last year even though it had “strong ratings” and the decision to remove it was “made over the objections of customers.”

That drew a number of questions over why Comcast made the decision to drop the channel. In fact, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) told Cohen, flippantly, “I get that. Why would Comcast want people who cling to God and their guns?” He even read an e-mail he said inferred that Comcast was part of a politically motivated effort to keep Glenn Beck’s “The Blaze” from gaining a cable footprint. Cohen vowed that the company would not engage in partisan-motivated programming decisions.

[…]

298 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 3:47:53pm

re: #294 Lidane

Nothing beats Florida, not even Texas.

Upset with neighbors, St. Johns woman bulldozes their mobile home

When a 62-year-old St. Johns County woman decided she didn’t like the sort of people who had been living next door, a bulldozer solved the problem.

Except the demolished trailer wasn’t hers.

The woman told a heavy equipment operator she owned the trailer on Dusty Road and wanted it and its septic tank destroyed, according to her arrest report.

members.jacksonville.com

299 CuriousLurker  May 9, 2014 3:48:07pm

Oh, hell no—a French sausage popular around Troyes, Lyon, Tours, Orléans, Eastern, and Northern France: Andouillette Warning: do not click if you’re within an hour or two of a meal.

Effing wikiwalking. Gotta learn to stay away from those dark alleys. I’m off in search of some brain bleach now.

Later, lizards.

301 Pie-onist Overlord  May 9, 2014 3:49:57pm

re: #293 freetoken

I was about to write that. That floor is quite polished.

Also it’s very well lit. The last time I shopped at a Walmart, about 3 years ago, half the lights were out and the other half were very dim. An associate cheerfully told me it was to “conserve energy.” Not that Walmart gives a shit about the environment but probably just to cut down on their utility costs.

302 Lidane  May 9, 2014 3:50:38pm

re: #298 Skip Intro

Nothing beats Florida, not even Texas.

Upset with neighbors, St. Johns woman bulldozes their mobile home

members.jacksonville.com

Oh, I don’t know. We have our share of crappy neighbors. Literally:

303 kirkspencer  May 9, 2014 3:52:15pm

re: #293 freetoken

I was about to write that. That floor is quite polished.

Actually I’ve seen a few that polished. They tended to be newish, mind, but they happened.

No, what caught my attention was that there are no other people. I know why, but unless you’re there in the very wee hours (and sometimes not even then) a shot like that will have other people most of the time - lots of other people.

304 Feline Fearless Leader  May 9, 2014 3:52:18pm

re: #283 Gus

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One less for resisting the Psychlos with in 986 years.

305 Decatur Deb  May 9, 2014 3:52:27pm

re: #299 CuriousLurker

Oh, hell no—a French sausage popular around Troyes, Lyon, Tours, Orléans, Eastern, and Northern France: Andouillette Warning: do not click if you’re within an hour or two of a meal.

Effing wikiwalking. Gotta learn to stay away from those dark alleys. I’m off in search of some brain bleach now.

Later, lizards.

That’s not just for Old Orleans.

306 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 3:52:37pm

re: #301 Pie-onist Overlord

You know what else? There’s stuff on the shelves instead of on the floor or not there at all.

And yeah, the lights. I don’t think I’ve ever been in a WalMart will all the lights on.

307 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 3:53:41pm

re: #302 Lidane

Those are pretty good. Let’s call it draw for now (unless I find something else really weird from Florida).

308 Cheechako  May 9, 2014 3:53:59pm

re: #285 Skip Intro

re: #294 Lidane

re: #298 Skip Intro

Was there a full moon last night?

309 Lidane  May 9, 2014 3:54:35pm

re: #308 Cheechako

Was there a full moon last night?

In quite a few front yards and driveways, apparently. Heh.

310 Pie-onist Overlord  May 9, 2014 3:54:50pm

re: #299 CuriousLurker

Oh, hell no—a French sausage popular around Troyes, Lyon, Tours, Orléans, Eastern, and Northern France: Andouillette Warning: do not click if you’re within an hour or two of a meal.

Effing wikiwalking. Gotta learn to stay away from those dark alleys. I’m off in search of some brain bleach now.

Later, lizards.

There is a Jewish delicacy known as kishka, which means intestines. Sometimes called stuffed derma. All the kishka I have ever seen is a dough of flour (or matzah meal, or breadcrumbs), oil, and spices, wrapped in parchment paper and simmered in the same roasting pan as a brisket or turkey or chicken. I am told that back in the day they actually stuffed a kishka, but not usually done any more. Sometimes the dough is wrapped in turkey skin or chicken skin which makes it nice and crunchy.

311 Decatur Deb  May 9, 2014 3:56:02pm

re: #307 Skip Intro

Those are pretty good. Let’s call it draw for now (unless I find something else really weird from Florida).

You would think that states that are full of death penalty aficionados would have almost no crime to talk about…

312 dog philosopher  May 9, 2014 3:57:16pm

re: #310 Pie-onist Overlord

There is a Jewish delicacy known as kishka, which means intestines. Sometimes called stuffed derma. All the kishka I have ever seen is a dough of flour (or matzah meal, or breadcrumbs), oil, and spices, wrapped in parchment paper and simmered in the same roasting pan as a brisket or turkey or chicken. I am told that back in the day they actually stuffed a kishka, but not usually done any more. Sometimes the dough is wrapped in turkey skin or chicken skin which makes it nice and crunchy.

Unfrozen Siberian Girlfriend tells me that kishka and pupik, are perfectly good russian for guts and bellybutton

313 Decatur Deb  May 9, 2014 3:57:34pm

re: #310 Pie-onist Overlord

There is a Jewish delicacy known as kishka, which means intestines. Sometimes called stuffed derma. All the kishka I have ever seen is a dough of flour (or matzah meal, or breadcrumbs), oil, and spices, wrapped in parchment paper and simmered in the same roasting pan as a brisket or turkey or chicken. I am told that back in the day they actually stuffed a kishka, but not usually done any more. Sometimes the dough is wrapped in turkey skin or chicken skin which makes it nice and crunchy.

Same kishka? Pittsburgh food.

Youtube Video

314 Feline Fearless Leader  May 9, 2014 3:57:52pm

re: #299 CuriousLurker

Oh, hell no—a French sausage popular around Troyes, Lyon, Tours, Orléans, Eastern, and Northern France: Andouillette Warning: do not click if you’re within an hour or two of a meal.

Effing wikiwalking. Gotta learn to stay away from those dark alleys. I’m off in search of some brain bleach now.

Later, lizards.

Eastern Pennsylvania (and nearby regions) counters with scrapple.

en.wikipedia.org

315 ObserverArt  May 9, 2014 3:58:02pm

re: #293 freetoken

I was about to write that. That floor is quite polished.

That explains the look on the president’s face.

“Damn, I’ve never seen a WalMart this clean. Maybe I should announce I’ll be paying visits to all WalMarts as I go around America.”

316 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 3:58:16pm

Florida Too Weird Even for National Enquirer.

National Enquirer leaving Boca for New York

sun-sentinel.com

317 Gus  May 9, 2014 3:58:31pm
318 Lidane  May 9, 2014 4:00:45pm

re: #299 CuriousLurker

One word: menudo.

You don’t know awful food until you’ve tasted bad menudo. It’s one of those dishes that can be good with the right recipe, but more often than not it’s horrific.

319 dog philosopher  May 9, 2014 4:01:26pm

re: #317 Gus

The solipsism of anti-imperialism

i think you broke my bachelor’s degree

320 ObserverArt  May 9, 2014 4:02:31pm

Later…it’s just about Friday and time for the guitar jam session with a buddy.

Have a nice evening all.

321 Kragar  May 9, 2014 4:04:06pm
322 thedopefishlives  May 9, 2014 4:05:32pm

re: #321 Kragar

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If people were perfectly altruistic, we wouldn’t have to organize society with force and coercion. It’s a byproduct of the broken world we live in. Get your idealistic head out of your idealistic ass and see what’s really going on.

323 Decatur Deb  May 9, 2014 4:05:43pm

re: #321 Kragar

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Let him be—time and nature will show him what you cannot.

324 Kragar  May 9, 2014 4:07:23pm
325 Gus  May 9, 2014 4:08:18pm

Hmm.

326 freetoken  May 9, 2014 4:08:55pm

Hmmm…

Fire Chief Wanted for Murder Eludes Statewide Manhunt

After a week of futility, authorities appeared no closer Friday to finding a state fire battalion chief being sought in the stabbing death of his girlfriend inside their home near Sacramento.

Orville “Moe” Fleming vanished more than a week ago, abandoning his official California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection pickup in a Sacramento suburb before sheriff’s investigators were alerted to the body of 26-year-old Sarah June Douglas. She was found inside the south Sacramento home they had shared for the last two years.

Investigators say Fleming, 55, moved in with Douglas after meeting her as an escort who advertised on the Internet. The victim’s past and comments Fleming’s estranged wife made to investigators have sparked as yet unsubstantiated reports of an incriminating sex tape.

Sacramento County Sheriff’s Sgt. Lisa Bowman said investigators are aware of Douglas’ history as an escort and that Meagan Fleming, the estranged wife, has told them that she viewed a tape showing Douglas having sex with her husband and other firefighters. Authorities previously gave the victim’s middle name as Jane but now say that was incorrect.

[…]

327 lawhawk  May 9, 2014 4:09:47pm

re: #324 Kragar

You’re still at it with this guy? States are amoral. They do bad things to each other. Sometimes people do nominally bad things to stop even worse things from happening. And without a system in place to handle the legitimate use of force, you get yourself your very own Somalia. Or Libya. Or any other failed state around the world.

328 dog philosopher  May 9, 2014 4:12:02pm

the perfectly free society ends outside the door of mom’s basement

329 freetoken  May 9, 2014 4:12:25pm

Scientists find gene behind a highly prevalent facial anomaly

No, they have not found what causes a GOHMERT! face.

330 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 4:14:42pm

re: #329 freetoken

Scientists find gene behind a highly prevalent facial anomaly

No, they have not found what causes a GOHMERT! face.

The Gohmert picture in the OP looks like a picture of a person whose sex toy just moved in a completely unexpected way.

331 kirkspencer  May 9, 2014 4:15:11pm

re: #321 Kragar

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. Publius (James Madison) Federalist 51.

332 Gus  May 9, 2014 4:16:16pm

Cripes. That guy has a boring TL like the RWNJs. It’s all one big long rant.

333 Gus  May 9, 2014 4:16:47pm

My TL is much more fun in between the occasional rants.

334 lawhawk  May 9, 2014 4:17:28pm

re: #284 thedopefishlives

F35 is peanuts compared to the crash of a B-2, which costs $1.4 billion per copy.

Or the US Navy having to scrap an improved Los Angeles class sub (USS Miami) after an arsonist torched it while in dry dock. It would have cost $400-500 million to repair, and the per unit cost is probably $2 billion or more.

335 Kragar  May 9, 2014 4:17:55pm
336 goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2014 4:17:59pm

re: #247 CuriousLurker

I’ve gotta tell ya though, you know what’s fun? Going to ginormous Chinese grocery stores in Queens and trying to figure out what some of the stuff is.

Duck vaginas.

Youtube Video

337 b_sharp  May 9, 2014 4:18:52pm

re: #221 Kragar

Libertarianism requires everyone to have full access to every possible bit of information on every subject, then react to it all in a uniform and rational matter.

Which works out great as long as you know everything and never disagree with anyone.

Exactamundo

338 freetoken  May 9, 2014 4:20:18pm

It’s going to be hot and dry again, next week.

This is the worst year I can remember, as far as lack of rain.

Yeah, sunny days are nice, but a little rain now and then keeps things alive.

339 Pie-onist Overlord  May 9, 2014 4:21:00pm

re: #313 Decatur Deb

Same kishka? Pittsburgh food.

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Video

Popular dance number at wedding and bar mitzvahs.

340 Decatur Deb  May 9, 2014 4:23:22pm

re: #339 Pie-onist Overlord

Popular dance number at wedding and bar mitzvahs.

Frankie Yankovic owned Sunday afternoon radio—and we were Irish.

341 wrenchwench  May 9, 2014 4:24:00pm
342 Decatur Deb  May 9, 2014 4:25:09pm

re: #341 wrenchwench

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They’re British—just trifling with you.

343 Pie-onist Overlord  May 9, 2014 4:25:20pm
344 Pie-onist Overlord  May 9, 2014 4:25:42pm

re: #340 Decatur Deb

Frankie Yankovic owned Sunday afternoon radio—and we were Irish.

Any relation to Weird Al?

345 wrenchwench  May 9, 2014 4:25:55pm

I snorted.

346 Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2014 4:26:40pm

re: #338 freetoken

It’s going to be hot and dry again, next week.

This is the worst year I can remember, as far as lack of rain.

Yeah, sunny days are nice, but a little rain now and then keeps things alive.

Well, meteorologists are thinking this year’s El Niño is gonna be a big one; perhaps as big as the 1997/1998 ENSO event.

blogs.discovermagazine.com

washingtonpost.com

347 Decatur Deb  May 9, 2014 4:26:50pm

re: #344 Pie-onist Overlord

Any relation to Weird Al?

No—only spiritual, according to WA.

348 Lidane  May 9, 2014 4:27:15pm

re: #333 Gus

Yay! A new Maru photo. :D

349 Gus  May 9, 2014 4:32:07pm

re: #348 Lidane

Yay! A new Maru photo. :D

Yep. I recognized that ass right away. :D

350 teleskiguy  May 9, 2014 4:41:09pm

re: #189 Kragar

Todd Starnes is quite possibly more insane than previously thought

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That is one of the weirdest fucking things I’ve read about Obama. What a fever swamp some people’s heads are about the President. How could anyone be so consumed with hate for the man? I mean, 6 fucking years and the Republic still stands! AAARGH!

Ok, I have vented. As a counterpoint to Todd Shit-Starnes’ twisted dreams of Obama becoming a God, here’s the Onion’s take on Obama’s plan to destroy America!

351 Gus  May 9, 2014 4:45:45pm
352 aagcobb  May 9, 2014 4:51:04pm

More good news; Arkansas’ same-sex marriage ban has been voided.

353 Jordy LuhPhorj  May 9, 2014 4:56:09pm

I’ve worked for an exploiter company (Charter Cable) that treats employees just as bad as Walmart does so seeing Obama in that Walmart photo is really bumming me out. I understand the context of getting them to switch to solar, but Walmart is so evil is it even worth working with them? They may actually be THE worst labor exploiters in the country. Seeing the president associated with them is actually confusing me because I support Obama and I thought Walmart was our common enemy. I thought Obama may make an example of them somehow by calling them out publicly for the exploitation of American workers. But we get this smiley happy fake ass clean bright Walmart bullshit instead.

354 Gus  May 9, 2014 4:57:43pm
355 Gus  May 9, 2014 5:01:46pm
356 lawhawk  May 9, 2014 5:02:15pm

re: #354 Gus

I’ve got a bad feeling about this.

357 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 5:03:14pm

re: #353 Jordy LuhPhorj

I’ve worked for an exploiter company (Charter Cable) that treats employees just as bad as Walmart does so seeing Obama in that Walmart photo is really bumming me out. I understand the context of getting them to switch to solar, but Walmart is so evil is it even worth working with them? They may actually be THE worst labor exploiters in the country. Seeing the president associated with them is actually confusing me because I support Obama and I thought Walmart was our common enemy. I thought Obama may make an example of them somehow by calling them out publicly for the exploitation of American workers. But we get this smiley happy fake ass clean bright Walmart bullshit instead.

The Democrats are center-right on economic issues and center left on social issues. The Republicans are barking mad on all issues.

Anyone expecting lefty economic policy (which is badly need to correct various imbalances in the US) out of today’s Democrats is going to be disappointed.

In particular, Walmart is a big enough player that it has significant ties to both party establishments. IIRC Hillary Clinton spent some time on their board of directors.

358 Gus  May 9, 2014 5:03:28pm

re: #356 lawhawk

I’ve got a bad feeling about this.

359 lawhawk  May 9, 2014 5:04:08pm

re: #358 Gus

Joffrey, is that you? /

360 Gus  May 9, 2014 5:08:50pm

re: #356 lawhawk

I’ve got a bad feeling about this.

361 goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2014 5:09:47pm

There’s this weird cognitive dissonance in Libertarianism. They sell the concept on the theory that people are inherently good, and rational. That if you structure society based on voluntary cooperation everything will just magically sort itself out, people will peacefully coexist and respect private property.

Except the entire basis for profit in said society is predicated on competition, the ability to outsmart, out-maneuver, out-produce and outsell everyone else. And since there’s no inherent safety net in this pretend universe, this competition isn’t just for increasing one’s standard of living or for luxuries, it’s for basic survival.

Why exactly is it again that people won’t turn violent? Why will they respect each other’s property, or especially the property of the rich? Why will they peacefully coexist with those who own the most?

They won’t. The rich will have to do what they do in every failed state throughout history, hire muscle and pray that muscle doesn’t kill them in their sleep.

362 Charles Johnson  May 9, 2014 5:10:45pm
364 Charles Johnson  May 9, 2014 5:11:33pm
365 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 5:15:29pm

This week’s winner in the Let’s Write Like Peggy Noonan contest.

It is so hard for me—so, so difficult, in fact—to comprehend the vitriol aimed at such good and decent men. I tear up when I read the invectives, sniffle when I listen to the commentariat on Saturday morning shows nobody watches, gasp when I pass an internet portal and experience the filth being splattered, wail at the historical inaccuracies and embellishments. I would take the misguided frailties of Bush and Reagan, their indiscretions and criminality, over a thousand cool Obamas and their jump shots and sandals. They were … men. They were … men. (Yes, it needs repeating). One on a horse in the great Northwest, the other on a schooner in the great Northeast. I see them now, their respective hairs blowing in respective winds. This president, as my good friend Maureen Dowd would say, still looking for a shore from which to sail. His hair does not blow. The wind is silent, freedom waits on the banks like a girl, a young girl, in floaties, waiting to be invited in. I weep waiting, as well” - Barry Friedman

The problem is, Barry wins every week.

366 dog philosopher  May 9, 2014 5:17:41pm

re: #361 goddamnedfrank

There’s this weird cognitive dissonance in Libertarianism. They sell the concept on the theory that people are inherently good, and rational. That if you structure society based on voluntary cooperation everything will just magically sort itself out, people will peacefully coexist and respect private property.

Except the entire basis for profit in said society is predicated on competition, the ability to outsmart, out-maneuver, out-produce and outsell everyone else. And since there’s no inherent safety net in this pretend universe, this competition isn’t just for increasing one’s standard of living or for luxuries, it’s for basic survival.

Why exactly is it again that people won’t turn violent? Why will they respect each other’s property, or especially the property of the rich? Why will they peacefully coexist with those who own the most?

They won’t. The rich will have to do what they do in every failed state throughout history, hire muscle and pray that muscle doesn’t kill them in their sleep.

empirical experimentation in unregulated capitalism in america in the 19th century demonstrated unequivocally that it produced not perfect competition but monopoly, the opposite of competition

qed

367 aagcobb  May 9, 2014 5:18:00pm

re: #363 Pie-onist Overlord

Cliven Bundy’s lecture series on American History.

In this week’s lesson, we learn how the negro immigrated to America so he could pick cotton and learn about Jesus./

368 freetoken  May 9, 2014 5:19:31pm

re: #363 Pie-onist Overlord

Cliven Bundy - the gift that keeps on giving.

369 Jordy LuhPhorj  May 9, 2014 5:20:36pm

re: #357 EPR-radar

That’s all true, it’s not like I will be voting Republican to fix the Walmart problem. I just feel like the Democratic Party is really missing the point with this issue. These workers are being used and abused. It needs to be dealt with legislatively, and doing smiley photo ops in a Walmart is not helping. Yes, I know nothing involving workers rights would make it through the house of derpresentatives but couldn’t Obama at least push the workers rights issue a little bit more? Gahhh I just despise Walmart so much I hate seeing Obama associate himself with them.

370 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 5:20:55pm

re: #366 dog philosopher

empirical experimentation in unregulated capitalism in america in the 19th century demonstrated unequivocally that it produced not perfect competition but monopoly, the opposite of competition

qed

Bringing up the history of the robber barons and the US gilded age is cruel and unusual punishment for libertarians, as they see their beautiful ideas crushed by ugly facts.

However, this is usually explained away as being entirely due to the ability of the robber barons to buy up governments. Cranks are going to believe what they want to believe.

371 Gus  May 9, 2014 5:21:03pm

372 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 5:21:26pm

re: #367 aagcobb

In this week’s lesson, we learn how the negro immigrated to America so he could pick cotton and learn about Jesus./

And why would they risk their life, and you know, back then, transportation was in a sailboat. They figured wasn’t very far out there, the ocean was flat out and would fall off, that was how much education, how much we knew about the ocean…

And the tides! Dammit! We still don’t know how they work.

373 freetoken  May 9, 2014 5:21:34pm

Anyone who wears a cowboy hat in his dark living-room has problems.

374 dog philosopher  May 9, 2014 5:22:34pm

re: #365 Skip Intro

They were … men. They were … men. (Yes, it needs repeating). One on a horse in the great Northwest, the other on a schooner in the great Northeast. I see them now, their respective hairs blowing in respective winds. This president, as my good friend Maureen Dowd would say, still looking for a shore from which to sail. His hair does not blow. The wind is silent, freedom waits on the banks like a girl, a young girl, in floaties, waiting to be invited in. I weep waiting, as well

i think it’s a shame we don’t have old fashioned soap operas like The Edge Of Night on afternoon teevee anymore…

and why doesn’t my respective hair blow in any respective winds???

375 aagcobb  May 9, 2014 5:22:41pm

re: #372 Skip Intro

And why would they risk their life, and you know, back then, transportation was in a sailboat. They figured wasn’t very far out there, the ocean was flat out and would fall off, that was how much education, how much we knew about the ocean…

And the tides! Dammit! We still don’t know how they work.

You can’t explain that!

376 b_sharp  May 9, 2014 5:23:21pm

re: #366 dog philosopher

empirical experimentation in unregulated capitalism in america in the 19th century demonstrated unequivocally that it produced not perfect competition but monopoly, the opposite of competition

qed

They seem to think regulations were born fully formed out of political dishonesty.

377 Gus  May 9, 2014 5:23:38pm

378 freetoken  May 9, 2014 5:23:39pm

I like how the Bundy Ranch videos on Youtube are “unlisted” and thus don’t show up when you click on their channel:

youtube.com

379 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 5:24:30pm

re: #369 Jordy LuhPhorj

That’s all true, it’s not like I will be voting Republican to fix the Walmart problem. I just feel like the Democratic Party is really missing the point with this issue. These workers are being used and abused. It needs to be dealt with legislatively, and doing smiley photo ops in a Walmart is not helping. Yes, I know nothing involving workers rights would make it through the house of derpresentatives but couldn’t Obama at least push the workers rights issue a little bit more? Gahhh I just despise Walmart so much I hate seeing Obama associate himself with them.

Me too. But it is hard to see how dealing with the banks, income inequality, and abuse of labor, to pick just a few issues, gets off the ground at all.

380 Charles Johnson  May 9, 2014 5:25:27pm
381 blueraven  May 9, 2014 5:27:00pm

re: #377 Gus

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That’s a good look for him.

382 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 5:28:25pm

re: #363 Pie-onist Overlord

Cliven Bundy’s lecture series on American History.

And here I thought this would be an Onion piece.

Alas no. It’s a dimwitted screed by a moron who mistakes writing fan fiction about the US founders for legal/political analysis.

383 Justanotherhuman  May 9, 2014 5:30:40pm

What comes after “The Colbert Report”?

On Comedy Central it will be “The Minority Report” and the host will be the “senior black correspondent” from “The Daily Show” — otherwise known as Larry Wilmore.

Comedy Central has concluded a deal with Jon Stewart’s production company, Busboy Productions, to create the follow-up show to the Emmy-winning “Colbert Report,” which will be coming to an end in the next year when its star, Stephen Colbert, leaves to succeed David Letterman on CBS’s “Late Show.”

nytimes.com

384 wrenchwench  May 9, 2014 5:33:53pm

re: #377 Gus

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I think this one works unchanged.

385 Justanotherhuman  May 9, 2014 5:34:25pm

Republican National Committee votes to punish 2016 presidential candidates who participate in debates not sanctioned by party - @CNNPolitics
read more on blogs.cnn.com

I think the party lost control a long time ago.

386 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 5:35:12pm

re: #382 EPR-radar

I’m really hoping he gets into a spirited defense of polygamy and how only an evil government run by Satan would have tried to thwart God’s Holy Word as told to His Prophet, Joseph Smith.

Oh, just a minute. God would like to say something here.

387 The Ghost of a Flea  May 9, 2014 5:35:42pm

re: #382 EPR-radar

And here I thought this would be an Onion piece.

Alas no. It’s a dimwitted screed by a moron who mistakes writing fan fiction about the US founders for legal/political analysis.

It’s Cleon Skousen stuff.

Same guy Glen Beck cites.

388 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 5:37:39pm

re: #387 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s Cleon Skousen stuff.

Same guy Glen Beck cites.

Yep. Also known as fan fiction about the US founders. They should do us all a favor and be more private about their stupid and deranged fantasies.

389 Gus  May 9, 2014 5:38:50pm

Uh oh. Time to hide!

390 b.d.  May 9, 2014 5:40:55pm

re: #389 Gus

Uh oh. Time to hide!

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Let me suggest one of these places:
en.wikipedia.org

391 Gus  May 9, 2014 5:40:57pm

Although. RE: Trey Gowdy?

392 Gus  May 9, 2014 5:41:49pm

SOON! SOON!

393 Skip Intro  May 9, 2014 5:42:38pm

re: #374 dog philosopher

i think it’s a shame we don’t have old fashioned soap operas like The Edge Of Night on afternoon teevee anymore…

and why doesn’t my respective hair blow in any respective winds???

But it’s a good thing they keep Peggy locked up behind a paywall these days to protect the general public from her booze-infused musings.

394 wrenchwench  May 9, 2014 5:43:31pm

re: #388 EPR-radar

Yep. Also known as fan fiction about the US founders. They should do us all a favor and be more private about their stupid and deranged fantasies.

I kinda like ‘em out in the open where I can see ‘em. I also appreciate the chance for more people to see the roots of the craziness.

395 Gus  May 9, 2014 5:46:10pm

re: #384 wrenchwench

I think this one works unchanged.

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396 The Ghost of a Flea  May 9, 2014 5:54:28pm

re: #388 EPR-radar

Yep. Also known as fan fiction about the US founders. They should do us all a favor and be more private about their stupid and deranged fantasies.

It spooks the shit out of me.

The individual claims are ridiculous, and many can be easily debunked…but it’s a worldview, and a worldview in which there’s a giant, internationalist conspiracy to keep the US federal government operating. Built into it is the idea that a bunch of people are in on the conspiracy—and the “conspiracy” involves any and all opinions that are socially liberal, not just government officials or union bosses—and will have to be dealt with.

397 Gus  May 9, 2014 5:55:28pm
398 wrenchwench  May 9, 2014 5:57:11pm

re: #395 Gus

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Gowdy the Kid.

399 Gus  May 9, 2014 5:58:24pm

Cripes. You know what you do when you’re in a hot air balloon like that. You jump.

400 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 5:58:37pm

re: #396 The Ghost of a Flea

Too true. A significant part of the US right has gone so far with its eliminationist rhetoric that they can reasonably be regarded as advocating for genocide.

It’s particularly irksome when they attribute that same desire to political opponents —- e.g., accusing those that want to address income inequality of wanting to kill off the rich.

401 Gus  May 9, 2014 6:02:02pm

Ugh, just as I thought.

402 Gus  May 9, 2014 6:03:24pm

Or maybe not… yet… I’ll go outside for a smoke.

403 The Ghost of a Flea  May 9, 2014 6:05:57pm

re: #400 EPR-radar

Too true. A significant part of the US right has gone so far with its eliminationist rhetoric that they can reasonably be regarded as advocating for genocide.

It’s particularly irksome when they attribute that same desire to political opponents —- e.g., accusing those that want to address income inequality of wanting to kill off the rich.

I disagree about the genocide part; it’s more nuanced than normal politics versus calls for extermination.

They want a system where they’re the whole of the enfranchised. They’re already experimenting with this. There’s also a kind of back end strategy going on, where you strip away secular institutions, and the Wrong Kind of Sacred Institutions, leaving people dependent on their particular brand of mixed politics/religion.

404 wrenchwench  May 9, 2014 6:07:00pm

Later, lizards.

405 nines09  May 9, 2014 6:07:04pm

re: #363 Pie-onist Overlord

Cliven Bundy’s lecture series on American History.

That could give you a full frontal lobotomy.

406 EPR-radar  May 9, 2014 6:10:12pm

re: #403 The Ghost of a Flea

I disagree about the genocide part; it’s more nuanced than normal politics versus calls for extermination.

They want a system where they’re the whole of the enfranchised. They’re already experimenting with this. There’s also a kind of back end strategy going on, where you strip away secular institutions, and the Wrong Kind of Sacred Institutions, leaving people dependent on their particular brand of mixed politics/religion.

I agree that the RWNJs aren’t presently calling for genocide. However, the path they are on, if followed, would lead inevitably to genocide because the rest of the country is not going to submit to being openly disenfranchised.

407 dog philosopher  May 9, 2014 6:12:18pm

i wonder how soon it will be before the freepers are condemning the tea party for not being right wing enough, or vice versa

408 De Kolta Chair  May 9, 2014 6:42:22pm

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That brings back memories of an AF jet (an F-4C, if I recall correctly) crashing smack dab into a shopping center in Tucson in the late sixties and scaring the crap out of everybody (as well as killing a couple of unfortunate citizens), not least me and my sisters, cuz our pop was not only an AF NCO but we worshiped him so much (and rightfully so, as he was a most righteous dude) that any catastrophe involving the AF had to involve him, as most children think their pop is the center of the universe, and for a couple of hours we thought he might have been killed. Good gawd, those were paranoid days, the sixties.

Turned out that pops happened to be a few blocks away in a bar slugging back shots while throwing darts, as was his wont, and he and his mates were the first responders on the scene.

409 Swift2991  May 9, 2014 7:02:20pm

You know, or should know, you’re in big trouble when the things you claim Hitler did bear no resemblance to what Hitler actually did. Let’s see, first thing is, he rounded up homosexuals and sent them to jail. HE was a “hater.” Guns had been tightly controlled as part of the Versailles Treaty, and he broke that and passed a broadly “liberal” law on guns. Except, ahem, for Jews, guns were easily available. Military and paramilitary training were encouraged. He started sending the physically and mentally handicapped to jail and killed them as “useless eaters.” The first in concentration camps were the political opposition. He struck a deal with the Pope so that, in exchange for the Pope folding the Catholic Party (Christian Democrat centrist), he allowed the church to teach German youth. Hitler also claimed the privilege of Otto III, and named an actual Nazi Bishop. In fact, the Homeland, the noble German Mother, training the young in military matters, you kind of get the idea that a government by the Tea Party and the “true conservatives” would be as happy a thought to them as is Putin to many of them now. Many conservatives of the day, among them Lindbergh, were big fans of Mr. Bitler— er, Hitler.


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