Marco Rubio: I’m Ready to Be President, and Climate Change Is a Hoax

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Speaking today on ABC’s This Week, Marco Rubio announced that he’s “ready to be President,” in between ranting about Benghazi, of course. And to prove what a marvelous leader he would be, Rubio says all those scientists are just wrong. Never mind the stupid eggheads, Rubio knows the truth: man-made climate change is a hoax.

Good grief. If you need any more evidence that anti-science craziness is deeply ingrained in the Republican Party, here’s one of their front-runners for the Presidency completely denying the mountains of scientific evidence for human-caused climate change.

RUBIO: I don’t agree with the notion that some are putting out there, including scientists, that somehow there are actions we can take today that would actually have an impact on what’s happening in our climate, Our climate is always changing, and what they have chosen to do is take a handful of decades of research and say that this is now evidence of a longer term trend that’s directly and almost solely attributable to man-made activity. I do not agree with that.

I don’t know of any era in world history where the climate has been stable. Climate is always evolving and natural disasters have always existed.

I do not believe that human activity is causing these dramatic changes to our climate the way these scientists are portraying it. That’s what I do not … and I do not believe that the laws that they propose we pass will do anything about it. Except, it will destroy our economy.

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1 Dr Lizardo  May 11, 2014 10:46:43am

And Marco Rubio fires up the GOP Clown Car for 2016!

*headdesk*

2 team_fukit  May 11, 2014 10:48:22am

it’s only “a handful of decades of research”

“It’s only ‘wafer thin.’”

3 Unabogie  May 11, 2014 10:50:29am

What is wrong with these people? I’m not a climate scientist, but I know enough to realize that if 97% of all peer reviewed science agrees on something, it’s almost certainly true, even if it disagrees with my personal politics. What’s it going to take before the American right admits they were hoodwinked on this?

4 Skip Intro  May 11, 2014 10:50:42am
I don’t know

Usually the only three words you safely can believe from a GOP pres candidate.

5 Zamb  May 11, 2014 10:52:14am

Well I suppose if you cram the entire history of earth into 6000 years it’s bound to look like the climate is always fluctuating wildly.

6 Targetpractice  May 11, 2014 10:55:32am

Skippy thinks he’s ready to be president? Sorry Marco, you blew that last year, when you had the audacity to support immigration reform that included a pathway to citizenship. You go to the base next year and they’re gonna tear you apart. And those who don’t will instead tear into him for his lies about his folks being refugees from Castro’s Cuba.

7 Skip Intro  May 11, 2014 10:56:40am

Let’s hear again from Charles Krauthammer from last week, who still doesn’t understand the difference between weather and climate.

“Ninety-nine percent of physicists were convinced that space and time are fixed, until Einstein working in a patent office wrote a paper in which he showed that they are not,” he said. “I’m not impressed by numbers, I’m not impressed by consensus.”

“These are things that people negotiate the way that you would negotiate a bill, because the science is unstable,” he added. “Because in the case of climate, the models are changeable and because climate is so complicated, the idea that we who have trouble forecasting what’s going to happen on Saturday in the climate could pretend to be predicting what could happen in 30, 40 years is absurd.”

8 Targetpractice  May 11, 2014 10:57:05am

re: #1 Dr Lizardo

And Marco Rubio fires up the GOP Clown Car for 2016!

*headdesk*

Rubio, Cruz, Perry, Paul, Bush, and those are just the “front runners.” Yegods, next fall is gonna be a veritable cornucopia of derpitude.

9 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 11, 2014 10:57:40am
Speaking today on ABC’s This Week, Marco Rubio announced that he’s “ready to be President,”

Hopefully, the majority of the American voting public and the electoral college will decide that you are not ready to be president.

10 Skip Intro  May 11, 2014 10:58:09am

re: #1 Dr Lizardo

And Marco Rubio fires up the GOP Clown Car for 2016!

*headdesk*

Looks like it’s going to be the GOP Clown Bus, just like last time.

11 Killgore Trout  May 11, 2014 10:59:53am

Nigeria Requested US Intel and Military Gear to Fight Terror, Documents Say

Garrett said Friday that no meetings have been scheduled with U.S. diplomats and claims little if any intelligence has been shared by the U.S., much less any surplus military gear.

“To date I have not received a decisive response to our requests, but we continue to work on these vital requirements for the office of the national security adviser of the government of Nigeria,” Garrett told ABC News.
….
The Obama administration’s former top diplomat for Africa, Ambassador Johnnie Carson, told ABC News Thursday that the Nigerian record was one longstanding factor in rendering aid to them.

“We were concerned that it associated us very closely with what have proven to be unsuccessful Nigerian policies… like human rights violations by the Nigerian military,” Carson said.

12 Targetpractice  May 11, 2014 11:03:26am

re: #7 Skip Intro

Let’s hear again from Charles Krauthammer from last week, who still doesn’t understand the difference between weather and climate.

What Charlie fails to acknowledge is that Einstein was already published when he came out with his papers in 1905 that included the special theory of relativity. He was not some unknown in the scientific field, he was viewed as an up-and-comer. And his work built on what others had done, it didn’t step in and say “You’re idiots for not reading the data in the way that says what I want it to say.”

13 Ryan King  May 11, 2014 11:03:52am
…and what they have chosen to do is take a handful of decades of research…

A handful of decades of thousands of scientists spending probably millions of man hours actually, like, doing sciency shit and stuff.

Just a handful… not much more.

Oh, and scientists pass laws. Who knew?

14 Sergey Romanov  May 11, 2014 11:07:32am

re: #12 Targetpractice

Yep. Maxwell (constant light speed) and Lorentz (Lorentzian contraction, published iirc in 1904) paved the way for Einstein. Krauthammer is such an idiot.

15 b_sharp  May 11, 2014 11:08:50am

Interesting thing about the climate - it doesn’t give a shit about what Rubio believes.

16 Eclectic Cyborg  May 11, 2014 11:08:57am

He should change his name to Mark Reubens first.

17 Zamb  May 11, 2014 11:08:58am

re: #7 Skip Intro

Thing is Einstein published his work with actual data to attempt and prove his theory. Climate denialists simply say look snow in January I win. It should also be noted that Einsteins work was a lot more abstract and difficult to obtain any kind of usable data where climate science has the ability to look at past events and use that information to predict future outcomes.

18 Justanotherhuman  May 11, 2014 11:10:41am

Marco just thinks youth and a pretty face will get him the presidency, not intelligence and knowledge.

19 Charles Johnson  May 11, 2014 11:10:57am

Republicans are going to deny, deny, deny right up until the point where some horrible disaster makes it impossible for them to deny it any longer.

Then they’ll blame Democrats for it.

It’s hard for to express my utter disgust with what the GOP has become. Reactionary doesn’t even begin to describe this.

20 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 11, 2014 11:13:18am

re: #18 Justanotherhuman

Marco just thinks youth and a pretty face will get him the presidency, not intelligence and knowledge.

He should ask McCain how that plan with Palin worked out.

21 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 11, 2014 11:13:25am

Not to denigrate previous generations of scientific advancement, but until relatively recently, “scientist” was mostly a “gentleman scholar” type of field anyway, from my (admittedly limited) reading. The amount of training, advanced equipment, money, coordination, peer review, etc. that occurs in science today is vastly different from the age of geocentrism.

22 Eclectic Cyborg  May 11, 2014 11:13:48am

I think just for the heck of it I am going to contact Rubio and see what I get back. 2016 will be the first U.S. election I will be able to vote in.

23 Zamb  May 11, 2014 11:13:51am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Yup and they will point to one republican who wasn’t a denier and claim that this person was actually the force behind the push to stop climate change, therefore all republicans are to be given credit.

24 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 11, 2014 11:14:32am

re: #23 Zamb

Yup and they will point to one republican who wasn’t a denier and claim that this person was actually the force behind the push to stop climate change, therefore all republicans are to be given credit.

Which one isn’t a climate denier?

25 b_sharp  May 11, 2014 11:14:52am

This Nov, the GOP will have more power.

How much of a mess are they going to make?

26 Zamb  May 11, 2014 11:15:59am

re: #24 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Some obscure state senator from the northeast would be my guess. Point is no one will have known anything about this person until republicans 50 years from now are trying to give themselves a makeover.

27 Skip Intro  May 11, 2014 11:17:21am

re: #12 Targetpractice

What Charlie fails to acknowledge is that Einstein was already published when he came out with his papers in 1905 that included the special theory of relativity. He was not some unknown in the scientific field, he was viewed as an up-and-comer. And his work built on what others had done, it didn’t step in and say “You’re idiots for not reading the data in the way that says what I want it to say.”

Because the GOP and, of course Fox, are both completely anti-science, no one there has any idea or interest in how scientists work. When there are problems with existing models not correctly predicting behavior, scientists no longer just say “well, that’s God putting his hand in to keep order” - although Newton did just that - they look for a new theory.

Quite unlike, say, the GOP when after 30 years of trickle-down economics has failed to provide the predicted benefits to the little people, instead of looking for the problem in the theory, they just say it doesn’t work because we don’t have enough of it.

28 Charles Johnson  May 11, 2014 11:17:52am
29 Skip Intro  May 11, 2014 11:18:34am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Republicans are going to deny, deny, deny right up until the point where some horrible disaster makes it impossible for them to deny it any longer.

Then they’ll blame Democrats for it.

Or the sure-fire hit, we’re being punished by God for being so wicked.

30 Ryan King  May 11, 2014 11:20:32am

Krauthammer is pushing the facile narrative that flips the strength of science into it’s weakness: since scientists believe A and New Guy believes B and look he was right, it’s all a bunch of BS anyway.

Or, ‘see, science was wrong before, so it’s probably wrong this time.’

It takes a complete lack of understanding of the scientific method and events surrounding important events for these notions to hold, which they do.

31 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 11, 2014 11:23:40am

On a related note, a couple of book recommendations:
John M. Barry, The Great Influenza: The Epic Story of the Deadliest Plague in History. In this book, Barry discusses not only the 1918 flu pandemic, but also the deplorable conditions of medical training in the U.S. prior to that time.

Sam Kean, The Disappearing Spoon: And Other True Tales of Madness, Love, and the History of the World from the Periodic Table of the Elements. Kean travels through the periodic table and examines the lives of the scientists who discovered various elements.

Both of these are written for readers who may not be steeped in scientific training. I found them both fascinating in their own way.

32 petesh  May 11, 2014 11:24:08am

re: #12 Targetpractice

What Charlie fails to acknowledge is that Einstein was already published …. And his work built on what others had done …

Indeed, it clarified and provided more detail rather than flatly contradicting; Newtonian physics still works just fine, at the appropriate scale. Krauthammer is confused, lying or completely uninformed (pick one to three of these choices; also feel free to add your own).

33 CriticalDragon1177  May 11, 2014 11:24:32am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Republicans are going to deny, deny, deny right up until the point where some horrible disaster makes it impossible for them to deny it any longer.

Then they’ll blame Democrats for it.

It’s hard for to express my utter disgust with what the GOP has become. Reactionary doesn’t even begin to describe this.

Unfortunately you maybe right. Hopefully it won’t come to that. Hopefully will be able to mount enough pressure to force them to accept reality before its too late. If the facts won’t persuade them, maybe losing elections will. Off course that will be easier said than done as long as a large number of Americans buy into climate change denial.

34 Ryan King  May 11, 2014 11:25:32am

Oh joy:

Glenn Greenwald: The Explosive Day We Revealed Edward Snowden’s Identity to the World
Pulitzer-prize winning journalist tells the story of those fateful days in Hong Kong.

On Thursday 6 June 2013, our fifth day in Hong Kong, I went to Edward Snowden’s hotel room and he immediately said he had news that was “a bit alarming”. An internet-connected security device at the home he shared with his longtime girlfriend in Hawaii had detected that two people from the NSA - a human-resources person and an NSA “police officer” - had come to their house searching for him.

Internet Connected Security Device…. you man a web cam? Why not just say a web cam?

This merely shows the omni-evil NSA didn’t really think Snowden was that big of a deal at first.

35 jaunte  May 11, 2014 11:26:32am

re: #34 Ryan King

36 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 11, 2014 11:27:28am

re: #35 jaunte

I am so not looking forward to the next few weeks of GG pimping his book.

37 Skip Intro  May 11, 2014 11:28:11am

re: #32 petesh

Indeed, it clarified and provided more detail rather than flatly contradicting; Newtonian physics still works just fine, at the appropriate scale. Krauthammer is confused, lying or completely uninformed (pick one to three of these choices; also feel free to add your own).

Krauthammer is not a stupid man, but he plays the part well because you don’t get a commentator job on Fox if you don’t.

38 jaunte  May 11, 2014 11:29:07am
39 BongCrodny  May 11, 2014 11:33:47am

re: #2 team_fukit

it’s only “a handful of decades of research”

“It’s only ‘wafer thin.’”

If I had to come up with a term describing the intellectual curiosity and integrity of today’s Republican party, “wafer thin” wouldn’t be too far off the mark.

40 Sergey Romanov  May 11, 2014 11:35:07am

re: #30 Ryan King

Not to mention that what Einstein did did not contradict - in the relevant sense - what the other scientists were saying. Rather it was an expansion of knowledge that resolved some previous contradictions - like the Michelson-Morley experiment v. aether thing. The assumption of “fixed” space and time was just that - it did not follow from the theories, on the contrary, the theories tried to take it into account unsuccessfully. So it was discarded as unnecessary. It’s not like anybody was trying to defend it for decades.

41 b.d.  May 11, 2014 11:36:37am

re: #34 Ryan King

Oh joy:

Glenn Greenwald: The Explosive Day We Revealed Edward Snowden’s Identity to the World
Pulitzer-prize winning journalist tells the story of those fateful days in Hong Kong.

Internet Connected Security Device…. you man a web cam? Why not just say a web cam?

This merely shows the omni-evil NSA didn’t really think Snowden was that big of a deal at first.

The NSA has their own police force?

42 BongCrodny  May 11, 2014 11:39:35am

re: #25 b_sharp

This Nov, the GOP will have more power.

How much of a mess are they going to make?

Impeachment hearings, Benghazi, anti-abortion (anti-women) bills, tax cuts for the uber-rich, “drill, baby, drill.”

Not necessarily in that order.

43 Ryan King  May 11, 2014 11:39:45am

What would it look like if a person fell into a volcano?

No, they didn’t throw a person in there to test. At least not a live person. I don’t think.

44 Stanley Sea  May 11, 2014 11:43:22am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

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Huntsman?

45 Unabogie  May 11, 2014 11:48:29am

I have a friend who is a retired climatology professor. He pointed out that the simplest proof of global warming is that if you run all of the climate models, and exclude CO2 but include every other kind of forcing (solar, water, whatever), you get a result that’s wholly different from the observed data. But as soon as you add in CO2 to the model, then bam, it matches everything we’ve measured for hundreds of years.

If that’s true, then how can people claim that climate just changes and we can’t know why?

46 Ryan King  May 11, 2014 11:49:05am

re: #44 Stanley Sea

Huntsman?

There’s a ton of people in the GOP who accept the science on AGW.

Like, 7.

47 BongCrodny  May 11, 2014 11:49:32am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Republicans are going to deny, deny, deny right up until the point where some horrible disaster makes it impossible for them to deny it any longer.

Then they’ll blame Democrats for it.

It’s hard for to express my utter disgust with what the GOP has become. Reactionary doesn’t even begin to describe this.

This.

Next door in Kansas, the state legislature passed a *huge* series of tax cuts with the wealthy being the prime beneficiaries.

Now, revenues have fallen far below projections — Kansas had the second largest revenue decline for 2014, second to only Alaska.

The news turned worse when April tax collections fell $93 million short of estimates, followed by a slight downgrade in the state’s credit rating. Overall, state revenues are down $480 million for the first three quarters of the current fiscal year. The state’s budget is about $15 billion.

It should be noted that Republicans dominate the Kansas Legislature. Dominate. There are 32 Republican state senators and only 8 Democrats; in the House it’s 92 Republicans and 33 Democrats.

The governor of Kansas, Sam Brownback, is also a Republican.

Their reason for the state’s problems?

The Brownback administration blamed President Barack Obama’s tax policies when the state came up $93 million short of projection in April.

Blame Obama. Broken fucking record.

Kansas City Star: Kansas tax revenues fall while other states see rise

48 Sergey Romanov  May 11, 2014 11:50:30am

There certainly was an opposition to Einstein though - from the ideologues. In Nazi Germany he was branded a “Relativitätsjude”. Some Soviet philosophers during the times of Lysenko tried to argue that relativity contradicted materialism. Though at least these attempts were unsuccessful because the scientists convinced Beria that without the theory the atomic bomb would be impossible.
So, ideologues, yeah…

49 Rightwingconspirator  May 11, 2014 11:50:30am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

I had read this, posted without endorsement…

Environmentalists won’t want to hear this, but the best hope for saving the planet may be another president named Bush.
Jeb Bush built solid green credentials during two terms as Florida’s governor, spearheading a $1 billion public land acquisition program, Everglades restoration and water quality. Of late, he’s using his credentials as a fiscal conservative to challenge his party’s “anti-science” wing.

Read more: politico.com

50 Varek Raith  May 11, 2014 11:54:26am

re: #47 BongCrodny

Conservatives Have Free Reign In Kansas. It’s Failing.

51 Rightwingconspirator  May 11, 2014 11:55:33am

All we can hope is that whoever wins sets their prejudices and election year lies aside in the face of the very serious briefings that will happen. Economy, science, military, domestic crime, etc etc. Whoever wins must be educable and willing to change with reality. I think that happened big time with our current President. I think that explains the gap in anti terror policy from his candidacy to what he actually has done.

52 Stanley Sea  May 11, 2014 11:57:42am

re: #46 Ryan King

There’s a ton of people in the GOP who accept the science on AGW.

Like, 7.

Really 6. They were just kidding with Sister Sarah!

53 Charles Johnson  May 11, 2014 11:58:07am

re: #49 Rightwingconspirator

I had read this, posted without endorsement…

Jeb Bush is exactly in line with Marco Rubio on this. Politico is full of scheisse again.

Jeb Bush: Rick Perry ‘Has Every Right to Suggest’ Global Warming ‘Not a Certainty’ (VIDEO)

As for the issue of global warming, Bush articulated his own views on the subject on the heels of Perry raising doubt about the environmental phenomenon during a recent stop in New Hampshire.

“I think global warming may be real,” said Bush before adding that “whether it’s manmade or not is the point Perry was pining on.”

He continued, “It is not unanimous among scientists that it is disproportionately manmade. What I get a little tired of on the left is this idea that somehow science has decided all this so you can’t have a view. Science has decided that embryonic stem cell research is the way to go and if you don’t agree with that then somehow you’re Cro-Magnon Man or something like that. Governor Perry, as it relates to global warming has every right to suggest that it’s not a certainty.”

This is climate change denial.

54 Ryan King  May 11, 2014 11:59:34am

re: #52 Stanley Sea

Really 6. They were just kidding with Sister Sarah!

INORIGHT!

And one guy I haven’t heard of, and two of them are somewhat out of politics, and the rest RINOs.

None of them ‘mainstream’ GOP, leading frontrunners.

It’s the Lysenko-Luddite party.

55 Rightwingconspirator  May 11, 2014 12:03:32pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Jeb Bush is exactly in line with Marco Rubio on this. Politico is full of scheisse again.

Jeb Bush: Rick Perry ‘Has Every Right to Suggest’ Global Warming ‘Not a Certainty’ (VIDEO)

This is climate change denial.

Still it contrasts with Rubio quite a bit. Lets keep in mind a moment the Republican primary. We need two credible responsible candidates to face off.

EDIT
If Obama had run on the GWOT policies he has implemented he may very well have lost.

56 Skip Intro  May 11, 2014 12:05:25pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

I see. The new criteria for science to be accepted by the GOP is that is has to be unanimous.

This is a moderate position in the GOP these days. Most GOPers would say it doesn’t matter if it is unanimous, we’re having none of it.

57 Rightwingconspirator  May 11, 2014 12:08:47pm

re: #45 Unabogie

I have a friend who is a retired climatology professor. He pointed out that the simplest proof of global warming is that if you run all of the climate models, and exclude CO2 but include every other kind of forcing (solar, water, whatever), you get a result that’s wholly different from the observed data. But as soon as you add in CO2 to the model, then bam, it matches everything we’ve measured for hundreds of years.

If that’s true, then how can people claim that climate just changes and we can’t know why?

We see this a lot in politicians. They present what wins and think what’s real. Which they act on is the policy that we get. These phenomena are universal facets of political parties. In the better parties the worst of it goes in harmless directions. In the worst, like what we see from the GOP. In extremis this time around.

58 Lidane  May 11, 2014 12:15:31pm

re: #5 Zamb

Well I suppose if you cram the entire history of earth into 6000 years it’s bound to look like the climate is always fluctuating wildly.

And you get garbage like this from the RWNJs:

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59 Varek Raith  May 11, 2014 12:15:45pm

re: #56 Skip Intro

I see. The new criteria for science to be accepted by the GOP is that is has to be unanimous.

This is a moderate position in the GOP these days. Most GOPers would say it doesn’t matter if it is unanimous, we’re having none of it.

Yeah…
So, they should just stop using technology.
We may make things work, but on the quantum level, we really ain’t gotta clue as to how.

60 b.d.  May 11, 2014 12:15:54pm

WE FOUND A SCIENTIST WHO THINKS THAT RADIATION IS NOT BAD FOR YOU, TIME TO BUILD A SECOND HOME NEAR CHERNOBYL

61 Varek Raith  May 11, 2014 12:18:22pm

re: #60 b.d.

WE FOUND A SCIENTIST WHO THINKS THAT RADIATION IS NOT BAD FOR YOU, TIME TO BUILD A SECOND HOME NEAR CHERNOBYL

Radiation gives you super powers,
Confirmed fact.

62 Rightwingconspirator  May 11, 2014 12:19:04pm

I’m sorry I just do see the daylight between the headline quote “Hoax” and Jeb Bush of “not unanimous” & ” I think global warming may be real” shame. I’m no fan of either and i dread a Bush V Clinton race. Oh well. The primary will tell.

To me it makes sense to hope the least Tea party crazed guys win the Primary. Of course hoping they put up unelectable loons is another way of looking at it. But at the end of the day I’m looking for less dysfunction period.

63 Lidane  May 11, 2014 12:20:03pm

re: #61 Varek Raith

Radiation gives you super powers,
Confirmed fact.

We should test that theory. Let’s send a bunch of anti-science loons on a long-term space mission outside of the atmosphere. See what happens.

64 Sergey Romanov  May 11, 2014 12:21:23pm

re: #60 b.d.

I’ve found a director of a mercury plant in Kazakhstan who drinks mercury, so apparently you can safely drink mercury.

Youtube Video

65 b.d.  May 11, 2014 12:23:33pm

re: #64 Sergey Romanov

I’ve found a director of a mercury plant in Kazakhstan who drinks mercury, so apparently you can safely drink mercury.

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Video

I think that Ted Cruz just found the guy he would want heading up the EPA.

66 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 11, 2014 12:23:42pm

re: #62 Rightwingconspirator

I’m sorry I just do see the daylight between the headline quote “Hoax” and Jeb Bush of “not unanimous” & ” I think global warming may be real” shame. I’m no fan of either and i dread a Bush V Clinton race. Oh well. The primary will tell.

That daylight is called “talking out of both sides of your mouth.” Bush doesn’t want to totally piss off the tea party base, so he hems and haws about it. I’d be curious what he says in front of a dyed-in-the-wool GOP audience.

67 Skip Intro  May 11, 2014 12:25:02pm

re: #66 Rev_Arthur_Belling

That daylight is called “talking out of both sides of your mouth.” Bush doesn’t want to totally piss off the tea party base, so he hems and haws about it. I’d be curious what he says in front of a dyed-in-the-wool GOP audience.

You don’t have to wonder. Mitt Romney showed us back in 2012.

68 Sergey Romanov  May 11, 2014 12:25:05pm

re: #65 b.d.

Uh oh.

69 Lidane  May 11, 2014 12:26:29pm

re: #62 Rightwingconspirator

At the end of the day, whoever the 2016 GOP nominee is will have to spend months leading up to the primary pandering to the mouth breathers and raving lunatics in the GOP base just to get nominated. Then they’re going to spend the general election wondering why they’ve scared everyone except the True Believers away.

The GOP desperately needs an enema, and if that involves nominating the most whacked out lunatic of all of them so that they will lose, so be it.

70 Sergey Romanov  May 11, 2014 12:27:36pm

Mercury in every pot and pot in every … oh wait.

71 Pie-onist Overlord  May 11, 2014 12:28:18pm

re: #43 Ryan King

What would it look like if a person fell into a volcano?

No, they didn’t throw a person in there to test. At least not a live person. I don’t think.

Youtube Video

72 Charles Johnson  May 11, 2014 12:33:39pm

re: #55 Rightwingconspirator

Still it contrasts with Rubio quite a bit.

Not really - he’s saying exactly the same thing: “Climate change may be real but humans are probably not causing it.”

And when he says “it’s not unanimous” - well, that’s just ludicrous. Something like 97% of climate scientists agree that humans are forcing climate change with unprecedented CO2 releases. So yeah, it’s “not unanimous” - 3% of scientists disagree.

73 allegro  May 11, 2014 12:34:37pm

re: #55 Rightwingconspirator

Still it contrasts with Rubio quite a bit. Lets keep in mind a moment the Republican primary. We need two credible responsible candidates to face off.

That will be seen in the Democratic primary. Little chance of that happening in the general election.

74 Sergey Romanov  May 11, 2014 12:37:29pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

And what I’ve seen from the 3% doesn’t inspire confidence in their adequacy… theguardian.com

75 Charles Johnson  May 11, 2014 12:41:37pm

This really is one of the issues that drove me to the breaking point with the GOP. The sheer cynicism of these people is mind-boggling - some of them are just stupid and think they know better than the world’s scientists, but more than a few are deliberately, knowingly spreading this deceptive propaganda to please their corporate masters.

76 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 11, 2014 12:48:20pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

This really is one of the issues that drove me to the breaking point with the GOP. The sheer cynicism of these people is mind-boggling - some of them are just stupid and think they know better than the world’s scientists, but more than a few are deliberately, knowingly spreading this deceptive propaganda to please their corporate masters.

It’s kind of a vicious cycle. The stupid ones believe the ‘science’ put out by the cynical grifters, and the cynical grifters egg the stupid ones on with their anti-science bloviating.

77 Ryan King  May 11, 2014 12:49:35pm

re: #65 b.d.

HORMESIS!

78 Charles Johnson  May 11, 2014 12:52:59pm

79 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 11, 2014 12:54:08pm

re: #64 Sergey Romanov

I’ve found a director of a mercury plant in Kazakhstan who drinks mercury, so apparently you can safely drink mercury.

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That somehow reminds me of the colloidal silver nut who made himself blue.

Image: the-man-whos-skin-turned-blue-from-drinking-silver-has-passed-away.png

80 jaunte  May 11, 2014 12:54:39pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Happy cousin / sad cousin

81 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 11, 2014 12:54:51pm
82 Justanotherhuman  May 11, 2014 12:55:17pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

[Embedded image]

PeeWee at least looks amused; GG looks pathetic. : )

83 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 11, 2014 12:55:25pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

The guy on the left is Paul Reubens, a talented (if somewhat weird) American actor known for his portrayal of Pee Wee Herman. The guy on the right … is not.

Correct?

84 Lidane  May 11, 2014 12:55:29pm

re: #55 Rightwingconspirator

We need two credible responsible candidates to face off.

We’re going to end up with one credible candidate and one Republican. And a few third party whackaloons to mix things up.

85 b.d.  May 11, 2014 12:56:44pm

Knowing what I know, I’d still rather go to the movies with Paul Reubens

86 Pie-onist Overlord  May 11, 2014 12:57:56pm

re: #84 Lidane

We’re going to end up with one credible candidate and one Republican. And a few third party whackaloons to mix things up.

Jeb Bush’s plan must include being “all things to all people” while the Tea Party candidates eat each other and he’s the last one left standing.

87 allegro  May 11, 2014 12:58:47pm

re: #85 b.d.

Knowing what I know, I’d still rather go to the movies with Paul Reubens

I still miss Pee Wee’s Playhouse. I adored Pee Wee and all of the silly, clever characters. One of the most innovative shows ever.

88 Targetpractice  May 11, 2014 1:00:42pm

re: #86 Pie-onist Overlord

Jeb Bush’s plan must include being “all things to all people” while the Tea Party candidates eat each other and he’s the last one left standing.

Jeb’s going to play the McCain/Romney bit: Just crazy enough not to unite the base behind one candidate, but “moderate” enough that the rest of the field fights over who’s the “true conservative.” He’ll rise basically by standing atop their corpses as the base splits over who to support as the “Not Bush.”

89 Zamb  May 11, 2014 1:02:35pm

re: #86 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s the truth with all the establishment or as some like to say “moderate” GOP they will make comments trying to indicate that while they aren’t quite crazy enough to say science is a liberal plot they still try to claim that the crazies argument has merit. In the end it doesn’t matter the end result will be nothing gets done on the issue.

90 blueraven  May 11, 2014 1:04:51pm

Rick Perry and the Texas solution to climate change is Biblical

Youtube Video

If you have HBO, check out the full episode on VICE

91 Lidane  May 11, 2014 1:04:56pm

re: #89 Zamb

In the end it doesn’t matter the end result will be nothing gets done on the issue.

So more of the same from the Republicans, then?

They’ve been completely unproductive and useless for years. Their only real accomplishment since 2008 is shutting down the government.

92 aagcobb  May 11, 2014 1:06:30pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

Jeb’s going to play the McCain/Romney bit: Just crazy enough not to unite the base behind one candidate, but “moderate” enough that the rest of the field fights over who’s the “true conservative.” He’ll rise basically by standing atop their corpses as the base splits over who to support as the “Not Bush.”

It worked for Romney to get the nomination. The problem for the GOP is that, with the white percentage of the electorate probably dropping to 70% by 2016, Bush would have to get a record amount of the total white vote to win the election, and does anyone really think Hillary is going to get a lower percentage of the white vote than Obama did?

93 Randall Gross  May 11, 2014 1:07:43pm

Yikes, prepare to be lost for the rest of the day if you click this link… Smithsonian Virtual tour…

mnh.si.edu

94 Targetpractice  May 11, 2014 1:08:35pm

re: #92 aagcobb

It worked for Romney to get the nomination. The problem for the GOP is that, with the white percentage of the electorate probably dropping to 70% by 2016, Bush would have to get a record amount of the total white vote to win the election, and does anyone really think Hillary is going to get a lower percentage of the white vote than Obama did?

Hell, let’s assume that Hillary loses the nomination to somebody who’s not even on the political radar. Jeb would still have to get a record percentage of the white vote alone to win in 2016.

95 Randall Gross  May 11, 2014 1:10:11pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

This really is one of the issues that drove me to the breaking point with the GOP. The sheer cynicism of these people is mind-boggling - some of them are just stupid and think they know better than the world’s scientists, but more than a few are deliberately, knowingly spreading this deceptive propaganda to please their corporate masters.

Or even worse - maybe they think politics is just a game, and their side winning means more than the future of humanity.

96 Khal Wimpo  May 11, 2014 1:10:25pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

Jeb’s going to play the McCain/Romney bit: Just crazy enough not to unite the base behind one candidate, but “moderate” enough that the rest of the field fights over who’s the “true conservative.” He’ll rise basically by standing atop their corpses as the base splits over who to support as the “Not Bush.”

I’m not sure the corporate types will buy into a Bush v. Clinton rematch, and open their pursestrings for such an obvious losing setup. All the basic low-information voter knows about Clinton was that the economy was going great and the world was at peace.

Bush? Not so much.

97 Eclectic Cyborg  May 11, 2014 1:10:37pm

Does GG ever smile for pictures?

98 b.d.  May 11, 2014 1:11:24pm

re: #97 Eclectic Cyborg

Does GG ever smile for pictures?

FTFY

99 aagcobb  May 11, 2014 1:11:34pm

re: #96 Khal Wimpo

I’m not sure the corporate types will buy into a Bush v. Clinton rematch, and open their pursestrings for such an obvious losing setup. All the basic low-information voter knows about Clinton was that the economy was going great and the world was at peace.

Bush? Not so much.

But right now, with Christie being damaged goods, Jeb is about their only alternative.

100 Dr Lizardo  May 11, 2014 1:11:49pm

Well, it ain’t just AGW that RWNJ’s are denying. Maybe that goes hand-in-hand with their denialism of….well, the following:

Fox News host Eric Bolling pulled a Rudy Giuliani on Wednesday, asserting that there were no terrorist attacks on “American soil” during President Bush’s term in office.

Giuliani famously made a similar assertion in early 2010, saying, “we had no domestic attacks under Bush.” Of course, the 9/11 attacks happened under Bush.

Bolling’s misstatement came during a discussion on the network’s Glenn Beck replacement show, “The Five.” He and a panel—which included former Bush spokeswoman Dana Perino—were arguing about whether Bush had been guilty of “fear-mongering” during his tenure. Panelist Bob Beckel said that the former president had used fear-mongering around the non-existent weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. As he attempted to continue his point, Bolling cut him off and started to move on to the next segment.

“America was certainly safe between 2000 and 2008,” he said. “I don’t remember any attacks on American soil during that period of time.” Nobody on the panel challenged this comment.

Pretty soon, they’ll blame it on President Obama. Because of course, he was President on September 11th, 2001.

Right?

Right?!

*smh*

huffingtonpost.com

101 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 11, 2014 1:13:23pm

re: #100 Dr Lizardo

The stupid, it burns!

102 Sergey Romanov  May 11, 2014 1:13:35pm

re: #100 Dr Lizardo

“Hey, I meant 2000 to 2008 BC, so what I said was totally true!”

103 aagcobb  May 11, 2014 1:14:18pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

Hell, let’s assume that Hillary loses the nomination to somebody who’s not even on the political radar. Jeb would still have to get a record percentage of the white vote alone to win in 2016.

Some in the GOP may think Jeb can go on Telemundo, speak Spanish to the audience, and turn the Hispanic vote around. But I doubt they will forget who killed immigration reform that quickly.

104 Dr Lizardo  May 11, 2014 1:15:21pm

re: #101 Rev_Arthur_Belling

re: #102 Sergey Romanov

The wingnuts live in their own little fantasy world; that’s the only logical conclusion I can arrive it.

They’re simply detached from reality. It’s almost cult-like behavior.

105 aagcobb  May 11, 2014 1:16:08pm

re: #104 Dr Lizardo

The wingnuts live in their own little fantasy world; that’s the only logical conclusion I can arrive it.

They’re simply detached from reality. It’s almost cult-like behavior.

corrected that for you.

106 Targetpractice  May 11, 2014 1:16:17pm

re: #103 aagcobb

Some in the GOP may think Jeb can go on Telemundo, speak Spanish to the audience, and turn the Hispanic vote around. But I doubt they will forget who killed immigration reform that quickly.

Jeb’s gonna try to sell himself to the Hispanic community as the best guy on the stage to usher in immigration reform, which is in some ways hard to argue. But in the general, he’s gonna get slayed as soon as his book gets brought up and he has to defend his “new” position on immigration.

107 b.d.  May 11, 2014 1:17:15pm

re: #100 Dr Lizardo

9-11 was CLINTON’S FAULT!!!!

Things that happened between:
1980 -1992 - CARTER’S FAULT
1992 - 2008 - CLINTON’S FAULT
2012 - now - OBAMA’S FAULT

108 Sergey Romanov  May 11, 2014 1:17:48pm

re: #100 Dr Lizardo

An offtopic question: was it hard for you to learn Czech? I tried to listen to it on youtube, and altough it’s obviously a Slavic language, I couldn’t even make out a single word, it was like a lexical porridge…

109 Targetpractice  May 11, 2014 1:18:13pm

re: #104 Dr Lizardo

The wingnuts live in their own little fantasy world; that’s the only logical conclusion I can arrive it.

They’re simply detached from reality. It’s almost cult-like behavior.

Wingnuts these days are indistinguishable from a cargo cult, convinced that if they keep acting like it’s 1981, good things will happen. Part of that is the belief that America needs a “strong” President to keep evil at bay. Hence the myth that is oft-repeated that the Iranian Hostage Crisis ended when Reagan walked into his office, called Tehran, and told them he wasn’t Carter and he was going to come get the hostages if they weren’t immediately released.

110 Dr. Matt  May 11, 2014 1:18:52pm

Climate change deniers are quite analogous to those who didn’t believe (and even today some still don’t believe) tobacco causes lung cancer crowd. Some of the original talking points were, 1) there are no biological data to support a mechanism, 2) why do most people who get lung cancer smoked for 20 years or more? In other words, if I start smoking today why don’t I get lung cancer today? 3) And finally, my favorite, there hasn’t been a randomized controlled trial to prove the association.

111 Khal Wimpo  May 11, 2014 1:19:00pm

re: #90 blueraven

Part & parcel of the GOP selling its soul for the evangelical whackjob vote, coupled with the scheming energy-extraction money. It relies on using religious fervor and ignorance, paid for and maintained by corporate entities that care only about the bottom line in this next fiscal quarter. At some point, the sludge they create is going to break through the retaining whiles in their manicured retirement villages, and they aren’t going to be able to drive their little electric scooters fast enough to evade the toxic tidal wave.

Actually, that’d make a pretty cool sequence in the next Hollywood summer blockbuster movie. That giant reactionary retirement village in central Florida getting swamped in slo-mo. Someone call Michael Bay!

112 Targetpractice  May 11, 2014 1:20:04pm

re: #111 Khal Wimpo

Part & parcel of the GOP selling its soul for the evangelical whackjob vote, coupled with the scheming energy-extraction money. It relies on using religious fervor and ignorance, paid for and maintained by corporate entities that care only about the bottom line in this next fiscal quarter. At some point, the sludge they create is going to break through the retaining whiles in their manicured retirement villages, and they aren’t going to be able to drive their little electric scooters fast enough to evade the toxic tidal wave.

Actually, that’d make a pretty cool sequence in the next Hollywood summer blockbuster movie. That giant reactionary retirement village in central Florida getting swamped in slo-mo. Someone call Michael Bay!

No no, for a movie like that, you need Roland Emmerich.

113 Dr Lizardo  May 11, 2014 1:22:06pm

re: #108 Sergey Romanov

An offtopic question: was it hard for you to learn Czech? I tried to listen to it on youtube, and altough it’s obviously a Slavic language, I couldn’t even make out a single word, it was like a lexical porridge…

I still don’t speak Czech fluently; it’s a difficult language. The story goes that by the mid-to-late 19th Century, the Czech language was pretty much confined to rural areas. Everyone in the cities or educated folks spoke German as their first language. As a result, when the “Czech Revival” got started up around that time, they had to reconstruct the Czech language. And for the grammar, because there were no examples beyond uneducated rural folks and, they went with Latin; they just substituted Czech words and artificially reconstructed the language from there.

By the time of the Czech Revival, the language itself was damned near extinct.

114 Kragar  May 11, 2014 1:22:43pm

Dear Marco Rubio,

I’m ready for you to go away.

115 jaunte  May 11, 2014 1:22:58pm
“…if Florida is predictive of the national response to sea level rise, there is no leadership on the toughest part of climate change adaptation: retreating from the coasts. The entire southern half of the state is scarcely a few feet above sea level. Yet, the region’s biggest utility — Florida Power and Light — is proceeding with plans to put two new nuclear reactors at a cost of more than $20 billion in exactly the area of the state, South Florida, that is most vulnerable to the rising seas.

The reality of future economic and social hardship from global warming is so severe, it might chase anyone to the side of denial. One of the best examples, unsurprisingly, is from Florida: US Senator Marco Rubio. Rubio is a Florida Republican whose political future has been groomed and manicured more carefully than any in the Bush camp. As Eye On Miami repeatedly pointed out this year, Senator Rubio has refused even to be briefed by scientists on climate change. In an interview released on Monday, Rubio told GQ Magazine, “Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I’m not sure we’ll ever be able to answer that. It’s one of the great mysteries.”
eyeonmiami.blogspot.com

116 Dr Lizardo  May 11, 2014 1:23:47pm

re: #112 Targetpractice

No no, for a movie like that, you need Roland Emmerich.

You beat me to it.

Youtube Video

117 blueraven  May 11, 2014 1:27:36pm

re: #100 Dr Lizardo

Well, it ain’t just AGW that RWNJ’s are denying. Maybe that goes hand-in-hand with their denialism of….well, the following:

Pretty soon, they’ll blame it on President Obama. Because of course, he was President on September 11th, 2001.

Right?

Right?!

*smh*

huffingtonpost.com

Bolling is an idiot. He recently made another boneheaded comment claiming the Benghazi attack was before Osama Bin Laden was killed and the Presidents response was an effort to make him look tough on Terrorism.

This time his co hosts immediately called him out.

ERIC BOLLING: There’s one more piece to this. Don’t forget that this was prior — prior — to Osama bin Laden being taken down, and the thought was, and the discussion was, is President Obama going into the re-election soft on terror or not? A lot of people were saying…. It was after?

DANA PERINO: Much after.

ERIC BOLLING: Was it after?

DANA PERINO: Yeah, yeah, yeah. A year.

ERIC BOLLING: My bad, I take it back.

GREG GUTFIELD: Next on The Five….

DANA PERINO: But a great point if it were true.

Youtube Video

118 Targetpractice  May 11, 2014 1:27:53pm

re: #110 Dr. Matt

Climate change deniers are quite analogous to those who didn’t believe (and even today some still don’t believe) tobacco causes lung cancer crowd. Some of the original talking points were, 1) there are no biological data to support a mechanism, 2) why do most people who get lung cancer smoked for 20 years or more? In other words, if I start smoking today why don’t I get lung cancer today? 3) And finally, my favorite, there hasn’t been a randomized controlled trial to prove the association.

Denial of scientific data is as old as science itself, but it’s picked up a great deal in recent centuries due to the incestuous relationship that has developed between industry profits and industry-funded research. Climate change, chlorofluorocarbons, asbestos, cigarettes, leaded gasoline, lead paint, and other such items are just the tip of the iceberg that has grown up around the idea that taking your research funds off a company interested in seeing your research used to protect themselves in civil torts is in no way immoral.

119 Shiplord Kirel  May 11, 2014 1:30:13pm

50 years ago today, the B-52’s first planned replacement was rolled out:

11 May 1964: At Air Force Plant 42, Palmdale, California, the first prototype North American Aviation XB-70A-1-NA Valkyrie, 62-0001, was rolled out. In August 1960, the U.S. Air Force had contracted for one XB-70 prototype and 11 pre-production YB-70 development aircraft, however by 1964, the program had been scaled back to three XB-70s. Only two would actually be built.

Boneyard Safari
I saw the XB-70s fly a number of times. It was the loudest plane I have ever heard, and truly a magnificent sight on the ground and in the air. It is still the largest mach 3 aircraft ever built.

120 b.d.  May 11, 2014 1:30:15pm

I HOPE HE CALLS MATT LAUER GLIB!!!

For my new book on my NSA reporting, surveillance and privacy, and Edward Snowden - “No Place to Hide”, to be released this Tuesday - I’ll be at the following events this week:
Tuesday, 5/13: in NYC, at Cooper Union, with Matt Taibbi, 7 pm (cooper.edu)
Wednesday, 5/14: in Washington DC at 6th and I at 7 pm (brownpapertickets.com)
Thursday, 5/15, in Boston: at Harvard Bookstore, with Noam Chomsky, 7 pm (harvard.com)
Para Brasileiros: Vou estar na Programa do Jô: segunda ou terca.
I’ll be on the Today Show on Monday morning and the Colbert Report on Monday night.

facebook.com

121 aagcobb  May 11, 2014 1:31:06pm

re: #116 Dr Lizardo

You beat me to it.

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Video

It was very touching near the end of the movie when the political elites relented and let a few of the obscenely wealthy on their Arks along with hundreds of Chinese workers who actually built the Arks (hey, somebody is going to have to do the work after the water recedes, right?) while billions died. In my after fantasy of the movie, I imagine the Chinese workers revolting, roasting the Queens corgis for dinner, and making the 1 percenters into their slaves.

122 Zamb  May 11, 2014 1:31:25pm
DANA PERINO: But a great point if it were true.

The essence of republican policy right there.

123 Targetpractice  May 11, 2014 1:31:35pm

re: #119 Shiplord Kirel

50 years ago today, the B-52’s first planned replacement was rolled out:
[Embedded image]

Boneyard Safari
I saw the XB-70s fly a number of times. It was the loudest plane I have ever heard, and truly a magnificent sight on the ground and in the air. It is still the largest mach 3 aircraft ever built.

Imagine a world where the manned bomber and not the ICBM remained the preferred method of nuclear bomb delivery. The Valkyrie likely would have been just the start of a family that went all the way into hypersonic territory.

124 Dr Lizardo  May 11, 2014 1:38:16pm

re: #121 aagcobb

It was very touching near the end of the movie when the political elites relented and let a few of the obscenely wealthy on their Arks along with hundreds of Chinese workers who actually built the Arks (hey, somebody is going to have to do the work after the water recedes, right?) while billions died. In my after fantasy of the movie, I imagine the Chinese workers revolting, roasting the Queens corgis for dinner, and making the 1 percenters into their slaves.

LOL

I recall the last scene of the film, where the camera pulls back and reveals that the only land mass left is Africa. I’m pretty sure that was intentional on Emmerich’s part; sort of a “going home” ending to the film.

125 Shiplord Kirel  May 11, 2014 1:41:14pm

With their successful mechanized invasion of Navaho sites in Utah, wingnut militias are on a roll, at least they think they are. Being both arrogant and stupid, they will keep raising the ante until they get their shootout. Might they attempt to storm into Groom Lake (“Area 51”) in an effort to expose the spectacular secrets being kept there? How about going into Nellis AFB to take over the drone control facilities, daring the guards to shoot? You know what will happen, but do the arrogant militia turds know? There are many restricted areas where access control is a matter of life and death and the security forces will play for keeps.

In any case, I think it is only a matter of time before armed militias defy the feds in support of some kind of unlawful discrimination. Suppose a restaurant posts a “No Muslims” sign and hundreds of AR-15 wielding yokels occupy the place to show their support for “freedom of association” and “private property rights.”

126 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 11, 2014 1:46:04pm

re: #117 blueraven

DANA PERINO: But a great point if it were true.

Pretty much sums up the entirety of Republican “debate” in contemporary American politics. And Perino isn’t the brightest bulb herself.

Edit: And I see Zamb beat me to it.

127 Zamb  May 11, 2014 1:47:05pm

re: #125 Shiplord Kirel

Honestly I think they pick these little rules to disobey, like the ATV thing, because they want the spectacle of excessive government force in defense of such a little thing even though the rule is completely justified and the only reason excessive force has to be used is because these assholes arm themselves to the teeth and threaten anyone who tells them no.

128 Charles Johnson  May 11, 2014 1:47:42pm
129 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 11, 2014 1:49:23pm

re: #125 Shiplord Kirel

With their successful mechanized invasion of Navaho sites in Utah, wingnut militias are on a roll, at least they think they are. Being both arrogant and stupid, they will keep raising the ante until they get their shootout. Might they attempt to storm into Groom Lake (“Area 51”) in an effort to expose the spectacular secrets being kept there?

Not sure the aliens would take kindly to that.//

130 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 11, 2014 1:53:36pm

Charles, if you are around, a suggestion for some future update to the site: maybe a way for users to be notified if someone responds to a page the user created or a comment a user made on a page. I commented on Observer Art’s Palin photoshop gif page the other day, and - because the main threads are so captivating - missed OA’s responses until later.

Like I said, maybe something to think about, notifications. Don’t want to seem like I’m complaining, I enjoy the site overall.

131 Shiplord Kirel  May 11, 2014 1:54:47pm

re: #129 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Not sure the aliens would take kindly to that.//

Armed “protesters,” could be rounded up and traded for some kind of new nanotech. The Greys need them for their highly successful program To Serve Man.

132 Zamb  May 11, 2014 1:57:13pm

re: #131 Shiplord Kirel

The Greys need them for their highly successful program To Serve Man.

Well it’d probably be better than receiving welfare checks on the democratic plantation.

133 Lidane  May 11, 2014 1:57:55pm

re: #127 Zamb

Honestly I think they pick these little rules to disobey, like the ATV thing, because they want the spectacle of excessive government force in defense of such a little thing even though the rule is completely justified.

It’s no different than the kid in school who deliberately annoys the teachers with little things so they can call the teacher an abusive ass for finally sending them to the principal’s office.

134 Dr Lizardo  May 11, 2014 1:59:57pm

re: #133 Lidane

It’s no different than the kid in school who deliberately annoys the teachers with little things so they can call the teacher an abusive ass for finally sending them to the principal’s office.

Yep…it’s like I commented a few days ago. It’s Oppositional Defiant Disorder. But for adults.

135 Pie-onist Overlord  May 11, 2014 2:00:31pm

Could the “Moonbats” category be changed to “Dudebros”?

We don’t talk much about “Moonbats” anymore. Are there even any “Moonbats” left, except for PETA & Code Pink? And why do they need their own category, they can go to the “Weird” category.

136 Shiplord Kirel  May 11, 2014 2:03:19pm

re: #127 Zamb

Honestly I think they pick these little rules to disobey, like the ATV thing, because they want the spectacle of excessive government force in defense of such a little thing even though the rule is completely justified and the only reason excessive force has to be used is because these assholes arm themselves to the teeth and threaten anyone who tells them no.

The problem is that the militias are too ignorant and misinformed to reliably distinguish between little things and big ones. The crunch will come when they mistake one of the latter for one of the former.

137 CuriousLurker  May 11, 2014 2:03:39pm

Happy Mother’s Day to all the LGF moms! Just stopping by to drop off a poem about the depth & constancy of a mother’s love. The poem below is fairly recent, but the theme is an old one and exists across epochs & cultures.

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Ballad of a Mother’s Heart

The night was dark,
For the moon was young,
And the Stars were asleep and rare,
The clouds were thick,
Yet Youth went out,
To see his Maiden fair.

Dear one,
he pleaded as he knelt before her feet in tears.
My love is true,
Why you have kept me waiting all this years?
The maiden looked at him.
Unmoved it seemed,
And whispered low.

Persistent Youth,
You have to prove by deeds,
Your love is true.
“There’s not a thing
I would not do for you, Beloved” said he.
“Then, go.” said she. “To your mother dear,
And bring her heart to me.

Without another word,
Youth left and went to his mother dear.
He opened her breast and took her heart!
But he did not shed a tear.

Then back to his Maiden fair,
He run unmindful of the rain.
But his feet slipped, And he fell down,
And loud, he groaned with pain!

Still in his hand he held the prize,
That would win his Maiden’s hands.
But he thought of his mother dear,
So kind, so sweet, so fond.

And then,
he heard a voice!
Not from his lips,
But all apart!

“Get up” it said.
“Were you hurt,Child?”
It was his mother’s heart

—Jose La Villa Tierra

138 allegro  May 11, 2014 2:16:57pm

re: #127 Zamb

Honestly I think they pick these little rules to disobey, like the ATV thing, because they want the spectacle of excessive government force in defense of such a little thing even though the rule is completely justified and the only reason excessive force has to be used is because these assholes arm themselves to the teeth and threaten anyone who tells them no.

… while standing behind their young children.

139 Patricia Kayden  May 11, 2014 2:34:14pm

re: #47 BongCrodny

And so what if Brownback blames President Obama? What next? When will Kansans figure out that cutting taxes for the 1% is not a panacea and makes no economic sense?

140 Sionainn  May 11, 2014 2:56:47pm

re: #14 Sergey Romanov

Yep. Maxwell (constant light speed) and Lorentz (Lorentzian contraction, published iirc in 1904) paved the way for Einstein. Krauthammer is such an idiot.

Long time no see, Sergey! Glad to see you back!


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