Is Rand Paul Really Against Voter ID Laws? Well, Actually…

Another word for this is “lying”
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Remember just a few days ago, when libertarian extremist Rand Paul got some press for telling a group of black pastors in Tennessee that the GOP needed to stop pushing voter ID laws? And remember how I scoffed at his statement?

Well, today the director of Rand Paul’s PAC “clarified” the Senator’s statement, and guess what?

Senator Paul was having a larger discussion about criminal justice reform and restoration of voting rights, two issues he has been speaking about around the country and pushing for in state and federal legislation.

In the course of that discussion, he reiterated a point he has made before that while there may be some instances of voter fraud, it should not be a defining issue of the Republican Party, as it is an issue that is perhaps perceived in a way it is not intended. At no point did Senator Paul come out against voter ID laws. In terms of the specifics of voter ID laws, Senator Paul believes it’s up to each state to decide that type of issue.

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211 comments
1 nines09  May 13, 2014 10:08:04am

Randy lies like a rug.

2 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 10:08:21am

I posted this early this morning, but it fits better here.

3 Lidane  May 13, 2014 10:09:11am

So basically, he still supports disenfranchising minorities Voter ID laws, but he doesn’t think the national GOP needs to make a big deal out of it.

4 S'latch  May 13, 2014 10:11:01am

So, if he said that the GOP needs to lay off voter ID because “It’s offending people.” no one should have interpreted that to mean he is actually opposed to voter ID laws. I see.

5 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 10:11:11am

STATES RIGHTS!!! STATES RIGHTS!!11!!!

6 S'latch  May 13, 2014 10:13:46am

I love that pic of Rand because he’s got that look on his face like “See how clever I am. I really fooled ‘em. Ha ha!”

But, no, you didn’t Rand.

7 Bulworth  May 13, 2014 10:14:32am

Yes voter ID only for states to do what they want except for big libtard states like CA and NYC that our required MANDATED to have Voter ID because all the voter fraud!!! TRUE. Confirmed.

8 Skip Intro  May 13, 2014 10:16:17am

Somebody got a call from the LimbaughBunker about this misstatement of party policy.

9 Bulworth  May 13, 2014 10:19:03am

States Rights to do what they want with Voter ID, except every state must allow gun ID for voter ID which will be made Federal law for everybody. And states can do what they want except for allowing college ID to count because that = FRAUD. Also states can do what they want except allow people on the Welfares or Unemployed or food stamps to vote.

10 b.d.  May 13, 2014 10:19:53am

IF I PREVIOUSLY CAME ACROSS AS SANE, I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION

11 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 10:20:27am

Full moon is tomorrow. Guess he was getting a head start.

12 Pie-onist Overlord  May 13, 2014 10:21:08am

re: #9 Bulworth

States Rights to do what they want with Voter ID, except every state must allow gun ID for voter ID which will be made Federal law for everybody. And states can do what they want except for allowing college ID to count because that = FRAUD. Also states can do what they want except allow people on the Welfares or Unemployed or food stamps to vote.

Texas allows a gun ID to be used for voter ID.

13 Dr Lizardo  May 13, 2014 10:22:14am

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

Full moon is tomorrow. Guess he was getting a head start.

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What does God need with a starship dump truck?

14 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 10:22:56am
15 EPR-radar  May 13, 2014 10:27:58am

Another pandering elected GOP official exposed. Why would anyone object to characterizing these people as jackals or worse?

The GOP base has preferentially accumulated those with irrational resentments against the modern US, including racists, confederates, creationists, know-nothings, misogynists, homophobes, religious cranks, free-market fundamentalists, gun nuts, states-rights fetishists and assorted other loons.

One simply has to be at least a bit of a low-life to appeal to this crowd.

16 Skip Intro  May 13, 2014 10:28:56am

See how it works?

He said if Clinton runs for president, voters must be told what happened when she suffered a fall in December 2012. The official diagnosis was a blood clot. Rove told the conference near LA Thursday, “Thirty days in the hospital? And when she reappears, she’s wearing glasses that are only for people who have traumatic brain injury? We need to know what’s up with that.” Rove repeated the claim a number of times to the audience.

I wonder who he learned that from?

Reagan Remark Spurs Dukakis Health Report

Democratic presidential nominee Michael S. Dukakis on Wednesday released a detailed medical history, responding to press inquiries that have followed weeks of unsubstantiated rumors about his mental health.

The release of the report, showing that he is in good physical and mental health, was prompted by a remark by President Reagan on Wednesday morning. Asked about Dukakis, Reagan said he did not want to “pick on an invalid,” then later insisted that he had meant the remark in jest.

Nothing ever changes in the GOP.

17 Bulworth  May 13, 2014 10:30:02am
Texas allows a gun ID to be used for voter ID.

That’s because Texas=America! But every state must require gun ID to vote. And no gunz or gun ID for blah people. That’s in the Constitution.!! Confirmed.

18 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 10:31:33am
19 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 10:33:39am

heh.

20 Bulworth  May 13, 2014 10:33:58am

Great. This God in the Dump Truck slamming into TV station is in my state. /

Don’t recognize the call letters, though.

21 Pie-onist Overlord  May 13, 2014 10:34:17am

re: #17 Bulworth

That’s because Texas=America! But every state must require gun ID to vote. And no gunz or gun ID for blah people. That’s in the Constitution.!! Confirmed.

BRING ALL TEH GUNS TO TEH VOTING PLACES!!!!!! ONLY TEH GUN-FREE ZONES HAS ALL TEH GUN CRIMES!!!!!!

22 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 10:36:11am

re: #20 Bulworth

Great. This God in the Dump Truck slamming into TV station is in my state. /

Don’t recognize the call letters, though.

In Baltimore, I think.

23 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 10:37:01am
24 b_sharp  May 13, 2014 10:37:11am

re: #20 Bulworth

Great. This God in the Dump Truck slamming into TV station is in my state. /

Don’t recognize the call letters, though.

God’s or the station’s call letters?

25 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 13, 2014 10:38:59am

The Federal government should be allowed to set standards for elections to all national offices, these should include the President and the US Congress.

The state can have its own standards for state elections, but since these are held simultaneously, it would be ridiculous to have separate ballots and voting booths.

26 Varek Raith  May 13, 2014 10:39:19am

re: #13 Dr Lizardo

What does God need with a starship dump truck?

God had a little too much to drink.

27 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 10:42:42am

From the staff retraction:

In the course of that discussion, he reiterated a point he has made before that while there may be some instances of voter fraud, it should not be a defining issue of the Republican Party, as it is an issue that is perhaps perceived in a way it is not intended.

That’s the big lie. The perception is of reality; the purpose of voter ID is to deny voting rights to Democrats. The Republicans are trying to CREATE the perception that it’s about voter fraud. It’s not working.

28 Bulworth  May 13, 2014 10:42:55am
God’s or the station’s call letters?

Ha, yeah.

Apparently the ABC affiliate.

Fortunately I has a special List on my Twitters for Maryland news so am following that now.

29 Bulworth  May 13, 2014 10:45:23am

Apparently they don’t have the driver of the dump truck in custody yet. #WMAR

30 Feline Fearless Leader  May 13, 2014 10:47:03am

re: #29 Bulworth

Apparently they don’t have the driver of the dump truck in custody yet. #WMAR

Well if it was God that shouldn’t be surprising.

31 Charles Johnson  May 13, 2014 10:47:41am

What if God was one of us?

What if he drove a dump truck into a TV station?

What if God’s just mad as hell and not going to take this any more?

32 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 10:48:30am

Both of my senators are idiots.

33 ramex  May 13, 2014 10:50:20am

re: #15 EPR-radar

The GOP base has preferentially accumulated those with irrational resentments against the modern US, including racists, confederates, creationists, know-nothings, misogynists, homophobes, religious cranks, free-market fundamentalists, gun nuts, states-rights fetishists and assorted other loons.

See, it is a big tent.

34 Bulworth  May 13, 2014 10:50:22am
Well if it was God that shouldn’t be surprising.

The mystery deepens…..

35 William Barnett-Lewis  May 13, 2014 10:50:56am

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

Both of my senators are idiots.

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Only one of mine is - and the idiots of this state voted out Feingold to put that ignorant twit in.

SK - thanks for the heads up about the vet vote. I’ve called Washington and expressed my disgust, as a vet, with his vote.

36 FemNaziBitch  May 13, 2014 10:52:38am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

What if God was one of us?

What if he drove a dump truck into a TV station?

What if God’s just mad as hell and not going to take this any more?

Now, you are channeling the Whacko’s.

37 EPR-radar  May 13, 2014 10:56:16am

re: #33 ramex

See, it is a big tent.

I forget the revisionist historians and the climate change deniers.

38 Charles Johnson  May 13, 2014 10:57:37am
39 FemNaziBitch  May 13, 2014 10:57:38am
40 Pie-onist Overlord  May 13, 2014 10:57:58am

Liberals, if you want to make fun of Ann Coulter and all you can come up with is transphobic jokes, you’re doing it wrong.

41 Feline Fearless Leader  May 13, 2014 10:58:05am

re: #33 ramex

See, it is a big tent.

And they’ll ride out of the hills and destroy the town of Rock Ridge any day now.
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42 Charles Johnson  May 13, 2014 10:59:18am

I have to admit I have almost zero interest in reading Greenwald’s book, but I guess I’ll have to. Waaahhh.

43 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 10:59:44am
44 Pie-onist Overlord  May 13, 2014 11:00:23am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

I have to admit I have almost zero interest in reading Greenwald’s book, but I guess I’ll have to. Waaahhh.

That’s going above & beyond.

45 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 11:01:33am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

I have to admit I have almost zero interest in reading Greenwald’s book, but I guess I’ll have to. Waaahhh.

You’ll need this:
CPAC reaction, in one graphic.

46 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 11:01:34am

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I HATE wrong way cyclists. GIT ‘em!

47 Feline Fearless Leader  May 13, 2014 11:01:44am

re: #40 Pie-onist Overlord

Liberals, if you want to make fun of Ann Coulter and all you can come up with is transphobic jokes, you’re doing it wrong.

Ann isn’t worth the time to make fun of. The best treatment for her and her vile spewings is to ignore them.

48 FemNaziBitch  May 13, 2014 11:02:34am

bbl

49 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 11:03:01am

re: #46 wrenchwench

I HATE wrong way cyclists. GIT ‘em!

I like the sign on the truck in the background. Kinda fits.

50 Feline Fearless Leader  May 13, 2014 11:03:18am

Peregrine Falcon sighting.

Adult swooping around about 30 stories up in Center City.

:)

51 Eventual Carrion  May 13, 2014 11:03:26am

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

Full moon is tomorrow. Guess he was getting a head start.

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See, I knew S/he would be pissed if S/he had to come back down here. wonder why the boy stayed behind in heaven and didn’t join the ramming fun. Although the flood thing was more spectacular, but S/he promised not to do that again didn’t S/he?

52 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 13, 2014 11:03:33am

re: #46 wrenchwench

I HATE wrong way cyclists. GIT ‘em!

They are common in Frankfurt, which is a maze of one-way streets, but cyclists are allowed to use them in moth directions…major pain in the tuckus.

53 Feline Fearless Leader  May 13, 2014 11:03:52am

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did someone check what’s in his wallet?
/

54 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 11:04:35am

re: #53 Feline Fearless Leader

Did someone check what’s in his wallet?
/

Apparently, he had NO ID on him.
hahahaaaa!

55 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 11:04:48am

From Weigel’s article linked at the top:

Steve Chapman, a libertarian columnist I used to work with at Reason, used his space today to deride the claims of widespread fraud that justify new ID laws. “Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott brags of successfully prosecuting 50 cases of election fraud,” he wrote. “But the list his office sent me included only three cases in six years of someone being charged with voter impersonation at a polling place.”

Chapman could have gone further. Last week Iowa’s Republican secretary of state, Matt Schultz, released the results of a two-year investigation into possible vote fraud. He got the early headlines he wanted: There had, indeed, been illegal voting in Iowa, at a rate as high as 0.008427933 percent. But there had been no voter impersonation. Illegal votes had come, allegedly, from people who had committed felonies or had voted in two states. None of that could have been stopped with a one-state ID law.

I’m afraid the Republicans will see that as a seriously big number. Decimal points are almost like science, ya know.

56 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 11:05:33am

re: #52 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They are common in Frankfurt, which is a maze of one-way streets, but cyclists are allowed to use them in moth directions…major pain in the tuckus.

People seem to forget the basics of traffic engineering when it comes to cyclists.

57 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 13, 2014 11:06:14am

re: #56 wrenchwench

People seem to forget the basics of traffic engineering when it comes to cyclists.

Frankfurt streets were designed around the horse and cart, then retrofitted for cars, bicycles really seem to be an afterthought.

58 Feline Fearless Leader  May 13, 2014 11:06:22am

re: #55 wrenchwench

From Weigel’s article linked at the top:

I’m afraid the Republicans will see that as a seriously big number. Decimal points are almost like science, ya know.

Significant digits are a liberal conspiracy.

59 SteveMcGazi  May 13, 2014 11:07:06am

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

I like the sign on the truck in the background. Kinda fits.

I actually don’t mind them. I do it myself because I would rather see what’s coming. I can’t tell you how many times I have to give a cyclist extra room because he/she is riding loosely (not quite straight). If that cyclist knew what traffic was coming up, I’m sure he/she would ride straighter. When I see oncoming traffic I just tuck in a little bit tighter to the curb or the parked cars. I just feel that I know and the cyclist knows the situation, but a cyclist with his/her back to me doesn’t have the same awareness.

60 Pie-onist Overlord  May 13, 2014 11:07:38am

If there’s looted nazi art, she probably wants to buy that too.

61 b.d.  May 13, 2014 11:07:41am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

I have to admit I have almost zero interest in reading Greenwald’s book, but I guess I’ll have to. Waaahhh.

You should find a way to download it for free.

62 Pie-onist Overlord  May 13, 2014 11:08:30am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

I have to admit I have almost zero interest in reading Greenwald’s book, but I guess I’ll have to. Waaahhh.

Request a reviewer’s copy.

63 jaunte  May 13, 2014 11:09:06am

re: #60 Pie-onist Overlord

Buy up all the art and hide it in a small town far distant from major population centers. Brilliant!

64 Bulworth  May 13, 2014 11:09:57am
Request a reviewer’s copy.

Still sounds risky and not a good use of time. Life is short.

65 SteveMcGazi  May 13, 2014 11:10:34am

I find that when it comes to cyclists, too often they seem to want to be treated like motor vehicle traffic but at the same time they violate most of the rules motor vehicles have to abide.

66 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 11:10:51am

re: #59 SteveMcGazi

I actually don’t mind them. I do it myself because I would rather see what’s coming. I can’t tell you how many times I have to give a cyclist extra room because he/she is riding loosely (not quite straight). If that cyclist knew what traffic was coming up, I’m sure he/she would ride straighter. When I see oncoming traffic I just tuck in a little bit tighter to the curb or the parked cars. I just feel that I know and the cyclist knows the situation, but a cyclist with his/her back to me doesn’t have the same awareness.

It’s 25 times more dangerous to ride against traffic than it is to ride with traffic. Most people aren’t looking for someone coming at them, but the real danger is when auto traffic wants to turn and doesn’t see the cyclist.

67 lawhawk  May 13, 2014 11:10:57am

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

NYC had announced that they were going to do a traffic blitz to go after cars with distracted drivers and other violations. Baldwin must have thought that the rules of the road didn’t apply to him either.

68 Pie-onist Overlord  May 13, 2014 11:11:16am

re: #63 jaunte

Buy up all the art and hide it in a small town far distant from major population centers. Brilliant!

IT’S MINE ALL MINE!!!!!!!

69 b.d.  May 13, 2014 11:11:19am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

I have to admit I have almost zero interest in reading Greenwald’s book, but I guess I’ll have to. Waaahhh.

Tweet Pierre and see if he’ll send you one?

70 Feline Fearless Leader  May 13, 2014 11:11:35am

re: #59 SteveMcGazi

I actually don’t mind them. I do it myself because I would rather see what’s coming. I can’t tell you how many times I have to give a cyclist extra room because he/she is riding loosely (not quite straight). If that cyclist knew what traffic was coming up, I’m sure he/she would ride straighter. When I see oncoming traffic I just tuck in a little bit tighter to the curb or the parked cars. I just feel that I know and the cyclist knows the situation, but a cyclist with his/her back to me doesn’t have the same awareness.

In my opinion the problem is that we’re trying to fit three transportation modes (foot/bicycle/motorized) into a system that appears for the most part to only take two of them into serious consideration. And each has separate requirements for handling crossings, parking, and related issues.

71 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 11:11:41am

re: #65 SteveMcGazi

I find that when it comes to cyclists, too often they seem to want to be treated like motor vehicle traffic but at the same time they violate most of the rules motor vehicles have to abide.

The ones who want to live act like motor vehicle traffic. The rest of them are morons. Some of the morons make policy.

72 Pie-onist Overlord  May 13, 2014 11:13:03am

re: #63 jaunte

Buy up all the art and hide it in a small town far distant from major population centers. Brilliant!

ALICE WILL OPEN A WALMART STORE IN DETROIT AND GIVE JRRBS TO ALL TEH POORS, IN EXCHANGE FOR ALL TEH ART TREASURES IN THE DIA!!!!!

73 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 11:13:21am

re: #70 Feline Fearless Leader

In my opinion the problem is that we’re trying to fit three transportation modes (foot/bicycle/motorized) into a system that appears for the most part to only take two of them into serious consideration. And each has separate requirements for handling crossings, parking, and related issues.

Nope. Bikes function just fine under the rules for the road. It’s when bike lanes are put in that they can’t.

74 SteveMcGazi  May 13, 2014 11:13:55am

re: #66 wrenchwench

It’s 25 times more dangerous to ride against traffic than it is to ride with traffic. Most people aren’t looking for someone coming at them, but the real danger is when auto traffic wants to turn and doesn’t see the cyclist.

Just in my experience in Philadelphia, I’ll wait for the pedestrians to clear the intersection, and then when I start to make my right turn, a bike comes up from behind on the right to pass me on the inside. I have never had such a close call with a cyclist who is approaching from the front.

75 petesh  May 13, 2014 11:15:28am

Rand never said he was against Voter ID laws, he said he was against people knowing about them. Also, he doesn’t think business people should be able to discriminate against blacks, he thinks they should be able to discriminate against anyone they want. Nuance, people, Randy has nuance! His dog whistle sometimes needs a bit of a tune-up, though.

76 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 11:16:28am

re: #74 SteveMcGazi

Just in my experience in Philadelphia, I’ll wait for the pedestrians to clear the intersection, and then when I start to make my right turn, a bike comes up from behind on the right to pass me on the inside. I have never had such a close call with a cyclist who is approaching from the front.

That’s an error on the part of the cyclist, assuming you had your signal on, or really, even if you didn’t. If the cyclist was in a bike path, the error was on the people responsible for installing infrastructure that contradicts the rules of the road and lures the cyclist into stupid maneuvers.

77 Mike Lamb  May 13, 2014 11:17:12am

re: #71 wrenchwench

The ones who want to live act like motor vehicle traffic. The rest of them are morons. Some of the morons make policy.

This. It’s not hard. If I am on the streets, I’m a vehicle. I behave as such and should be treated as such.

78 SteveMcGazi  May 13, 2014 11:17:13am

I also see it a couple of times a day that when a cyclist looks over his/her left shoulder the bike veers a couple of feet out into the street. (Edit) If the cyclist didn’t have to keep looking over the shoulder, the bike would go much straighter and the cyclist would always see the traffic that was most important. Also, the oncoming traffic would be more confident that the cyclist knows the situation

79 GunstarGreen  May 13, 2014 11:17:31am

And the award for Lifetime Achievement in Spinelessness goes to…!

I recently had to update my license to the new SecureID standards. This shit was preposterous. I had to provide my birth certificate, my SSN card, and two bills.

Note that I’ve had a valid and official Georgiastan license for six years by this point. Had to shell out $50 for the birth cert as my parents lost mine long ago and I didn’t have a lot of info to go on for finding a certified copy, so I had to go through the state finder service.

80 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 11:20:04am

re: #77 Mike Lamb

This. It’s not hard. If I am on the streets, I’m a vehicle. I behave as such and should be treated as such.

Yep. One system of rules for all users. That’s the only way it can work.

81 Mike Lamb  May 13, 2014 11:20:44am

re: #76 wrenchwench

That’s an error on the part of the cyclist, assuming you had your signal on, or really, even if you didn’t. If the cyclist was in a bike path, the error was on the people responsible for installing infrastructure that contradicts the rules of the road and lures the cyclist into stupid maneuvers.

Yup again. Although my biggest fear riding is having a car overtake me and then cut me off to make a right turn. Cyclists should work from the assumption that the driver doesn’t see you. I make it point to get eye contact with a driver before I assume that he/she is stopping; not turning in front of me; etc.

82 Feline Fearless Leader  May 13, 2014 11:20:49am

re: #73 wrenchwench

Nope. Bikes function just fine under the rules for the road. It’s when bike lanes are put in that they can’t.

I will disagree due to seeing how they interact with motor vehicles here in Philadelphia - especially in places where there are two tight lanes. They (unfortunately) do not get treated as full vehicles by too many drivers, and all too many of them are not willing to act like full vehicles and demand the appropriate space.

Instead you see a hodge-podge of behaviors where they go up the middle or past cars on the parking lane side while the cars are awaiting an intersection to free up (see Steve’s post above for what happens sometimes as a result.) They run red lights and stop signs. And all too often switch between using the roads and the sidewalks. And this is just the adult riders, the children and teens are often worse.

Not that the automobile drivers are much better mind you. There seem to be enough assholes on bikes or driving cars to go around.

83 Mike Lamb  May 13, 2014 11:22:15am

re: #78 SteveMcGazi

I also see it a couple of times a day that when a cyclist looks over his/her left shoulder the bike veers a couple of feet out into the street. (Edit) If the cyclist didn’t have to keep looking over the shoulder, the bike would go much straighter and the cyclist would always see the traffic that was most important. Also, the oncoming traffic would be more confident that the cyclist knows the situation

That’s a poorly skilled rider. Even when there is a bike lane, I am constantly checking behind me to see what is back there. I don’t weave.

84 Kragar  May 13, 2014 11:22:28am

Got a letter from the IRS. Apparently I had failed to calculate my Child Tax credits properly.

I thought I was getting $700 back.

They said I should be getting $2100 back

Thanks IRS.

85 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 11:22:30am

re: #78 SteveMcGazi

I also see it a couple of times a day that when a cyclist looks over his/her left shoulder the bike veers a couple of feet out into the street.

Amateurs. I sometimes drift left on purpose while looking in my mirror to see whether the driver notices and starts to move left also. If not, I keep drifting into their path. Once they react, I know I’ve been seen and I give the driver more room.

86 GunstarGreen  May 13, 2014 11:23:30am

re: #78 SteveMcGazi

I also see it a couple of times a day that when a cyclist looks over his/her left shoulder the bike veers a couple of feet out into the street.

You go where you look when you’re on two wheels. Looking over your shoulder, unless you have remarkable muscle discipline, naturally shifts your torso and thus your arms in that direction. Thus the bike starts to lean and veer. This is why motorcyclists are taught to look through the turn, and to avoid target-fixating on the outside.

That being said, yeah. Bike lanes cause huge problems. Bicyclists face the same hazards as Motorcyclists, only amplified because they’re even smaller, even quieter, and even more rare. Having two wheels instead of four should not grant you any less entitlement to full use of the lane. The number one concern of two-wheeled transportation is to make sure that you can be seen, and a tiny lane off to the extreme side of the road is not the way to do that.

87 Kragar  May 13, 2014 11:23:40am
88 Pie-onist Overlord  May 13, 2014 11:23:41am

re: #66 wrenchwench

It’s 25 times more dangerous to ride against traffic than it is to ride with traffic. Most people aren’t looking for someone coming at them, but the real danger is when auto traffic wants to turn and doesn’t see the cyclist.

I watched the movie Premium Rush, which seemed to glorify reckless biking in much the same way Hollywood likes to glorify car chases.

89 SteveMcGazi  May 13, 2014 11:24:11am

Maybe there’s some sort of metaphysical duality with bicycles. They are part pedestrian and part motor vehicle, with an extra helping of uncertainty.

90 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 11:24:29am

re: #82 Feline Fearless Leader

I will disagree due to seeing how they interact with motor vehicles here in Philadelphia - especially in places where there are two tight lanes. They (unfortunately) do not get treated as full vehicles by too many drivers, and all too many of them are not willing to act like full vehicles and demand the appropriate space.

Instead you see a hodge-podge of behaviors where they go up the middle or past cars on the parking lane side while the cars are awaiting an intersection to free up (see Steve’s post above for what happens sometimes as a result.) They run red lights and stop signs. And all too often switch between using the roads and the sidewalks. And this is just the adult riders, the children and teens are often worse.

Not that the automobile drivers are much better mind you. There seem to be enough assholes on bikes or driving cars to go around.

I forgot to add, ‘if there’s a wide right lane.’ I’m for lots of enforcement, especially against bicycle operators. The bad behavers are making it more dangerous for the rest of us.

91 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 11:26:27am

re: #89 SteveMcGazi

Maybe there’s some sort of metaphysical duality with bicycles. They are part pedestrian and part motor vehicle, with an extra helping of uncertainty.

People seem to think that, but they are just vehicles, with all the same responsibilities and rights as the motorized ones.

92 freetoken  May 13, 2014 11:27:21am

He was for them before he was against them before he was for them, kind of thing?

93 Justanotherhuman  May 13, 2014 11:27:47am

“Senator Paul believes it’s up to each state to decide that type of issue.”

Umm no.

Why don’t you just admit you want the confederacy back, RP?

94 Feline Fearless Leader  May 13, 2014 11:27:49am

re: #86 GunstarGreen

You go where you look when you’re on two wheels. Looking over your shoulder, unless you have remarkable muscle discipline, naturally shifts your torso and thus your arms in that direction. Thus the bike starts to lean and veer. This is why motorcyclists are taught to look through the turn, and to avoid target-fixating on the outside.

That being said, yeah. Bike lanes cause huge problems. Bicyclists face the same hazards as Motorcyclists, only amplified because they’re even smaller, even quieter, and even more rare. Having two wheels instead of four should not grant you any less entitlement to full use of the lane. The number one concern of two-wheeled transportation is to make sure that you can be seen, and a tiny lane off to the extreme side of the road is not the way to do that.

I don’t consider that a proper “bicycle lane”. I’m of the same opinion as David Byrne in _Bicycle Diaries_ in that a bicycle lane should be barriered well enough that a motor car cannot enter it. Which is not a quality of the marking only “bike lane” that sits between a traffic lane and the curbside parking. Simply too much interaction there and temptation for a motor car to double-park there “just for a minute”.

95 Rightwingconspirator  May 13, 2014 11:28:07am

re: #78 SteveMcGazi

I also see it a couple of times a day that when a cyclist looks over his/her left shoulder the bike veers a couple of feet out into the street. (Edit) If the cyclist didn’t have to keep looking over the shoulder, the bike would go much straighter and the cyclist would always see the traffic that was most important. Also, the oncoming traffic would be more confident that the cyclist knows the situation

I’m really surprised I don’t see mirrors on many bikes. I have seen some slick little ones that looked very helpful awareness of the immediate area.

96 Kragar  May 13, 2014 11:29:11am

I see the nutters are already getting their “Operation American Spring” is a false flag op groove on.

97 SteveMcGazi  May 13, 2014 11:29:24am

re: #91 wrenchwench

People seem to think that, but they are just vehicles, with all the same responsibilities and rights as the motorized ones.

Granted, but you know how well rights and responsibilities are unevenly accepted. My basic point is that I don’t mind a cyclist coming down the street in the wrong direction because I know we see each other.

98 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 11:29:37am

heh.
Just got a pollster call from the Matt Bevin campaign.
Asked if I was supporting Bevin or McConnell. I said neither.
Asked which issue was most important to me: Obamacare, national debt and two other pretty useless issues. I said none. Pollster said “none?” I said, “none. jobs is the issue.”
Then he asked since I didn’t support Bevin or McConnell, who did I support? There or two even bigger nutcases on the Republican primary ballot next week.
I said, as a Republican, I support the Democrat, Alison Lundergan Grimes.

99 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 11:29:46am

re: #94 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t consider that a proper “bicycle lane”. I’m of the same opinion as David Byrne in _Bicycle Diaries_ in that a bicycle lane should be barriered well enough that a motor car cannot enter it. Which is not a quality of the marking only “bike lane” that sits between a traffic lane and the curbside parking. Simply too much interaction there and temptation for a motor car to double-park there “just for a minute”.

No matter how separated a bike lane is, there will be conflicts at intersections. Unless it’s just circling a park. That’s where those who can’t handle traffic should be.

100 Bulworth  May 13, 2014 11:30:09am

Kragar posted:

Got a letter from the IRS. Apparently I had failed to calculate my Child Tax credits properly.

I thought I was getting $700 back.

They said I should be getting $2100 back

Thanks IRS.

IRS SCANDAl!!! Government WAste!! FRee stuff!!111 Investigate!!!

101 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 11:30:30am

re: #95 Rightwingconspirator

I’m really surprised I don’t see mirrors on many bikes. I have seen some slick little ones that looked very helpful awareness of the immediate area.

Mine is on my helmet. I don’t know how anyone can ride without one.

102 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 11:31:01am

re: #97 SteveMcGazi

Granted, but you know how well rights and responsibilities are unevenly accepted. My basic point is that I don’t mind a cyclist coming down the street in the wrong direction because I know we see each other.

And you can know you have an idiot headed your way.

103 Feline Fearless Leader  May 13, 2014 11:31:10am

re: #95 Rightwingconspirator

I’m really surprised I don’t see mirrors on many bikes. I have seen some slick little ones that looked very helpful awareness of the immediate area.

I have a small helmet mounted mirror and also generally carry one that sits on the back of my left hand. Use them both to “check my 6”, plus a look over my shoulder before turns or swerves if possible.

The biggest factor (walking, biking, or auto driving) is looking ahead and anticipating issues of course.

104 SteveMcGazi  May 13, 2014 11:32:05am

re: #102 wrenchwench

And you can know you have an idiot headed your way.

And you can be overtaking an idiot too.

105 GunstarGreen  May 13, 2014 11:32:10am

re: #90 wrenchwench

I forgot to add, ‘if there’s a wide right lane.’ I’m for lots of enforcement, especially against bicycle operators. The bad behavers are making it more dangerous for the rest of us.

Yeah, I get a little furious every time I’m on the bike and I see some squidjockey lanesplitting at a red light. It’s hard enough to ride without all the four-wheelers around me being pissed off at every biker they see because of that.

Fortunately, motorcycles are prevalent enough in my general area that I haven’t had to aggressively defend my lane — yet. Still, going out of my way to make sure I’ve got space and am visible is an ingrained part of how I ride. Lightly pulsing the brakes to flash the tail light before slowing down, flashing the high beams before passing, etc.

106 Pie-onist Overlord  May 13, 2014 11:33:26am

LOL

107 jaunte  May 13, 2014 11:33:33am
108 Targetpractice  May 13, 2014 11:33:35am

Well, I guess I was wrong this morning, Paul never had a point…except the one atop his head.

109 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 11:33:39am

re: #104 SteveMcGazi

And you can be overtaking an idiot too.

Could be, but if they’re wrong-way riding on a bike, there’s no doubt.

110 Dr Lizardo  May 13, 2014 11:33:51am

This looks cool. Really cool.

Miles Davis Film ‘Miles Ahead’ Starring Don Cheadle To Begin Filming In Cincinnati This Summer

The Greater Cincinnati & Northern Kentucky Film Commission announced that Don Cheadle will star as iconic jazz innovator Miles Davis in a movie filming in Cincinnati this summer.

Cheadle (“House of Lies,” “Iron Man 2,” “Iron Man 3”) also will direct and produce “Miles Ahead” from a script he wrote with Steven Baigelman.

Local musicians and actors will be needed for the movie about trumpeter Davis, a major jazz figure in the bebop, cool jazz and jazz fusion movements in the 20th century.

… “We look forward to exploring the culture, musicians and backdrop of this city. We are hoping to work closely with the community to bring this project to (the) screen,” said Cheadle in the film commission release today.

Zoe Saldana and Ewan McGregor also will star in the film.

Sounds good. I’m looking forward to it already.

milesdavis.com

111 Bulworth  May 13, 2014 11:34:05am

All this talk about bicycles…everybody knows that bicycles and bike paths are part of the UN’s Agenda 21 to take are sovereignty and cars away, right?

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112 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 11:34:32am

re: #106 Pie-onist Overlord

LOL

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MILLIONS!!MILLIONS!!!!!!!!!!!

113 SteveMcGazi  May 13, 2014 11:34:34am

There are just extra risks faced by the cyclist. They aren’t always fair, but you gotta manage your risk. Personally, I prefer to have the highest risk (the closest traffic) in front of me instead of behind me.

114 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 11:34:35am

re: #111 Bulworth

All this talk about bicycles…everybody knows that bicycles and bike paths are part of the UN’s Agenda 21 to take are sovereignty and cars away, right?

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SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!1!

115 Kragar  May 13, 2014 11:34:59am
116 Feline Fearless Leader  May 13, 2014 11:35:13am

re: #99 wrenchwench

No matter how separated a bike lane is, there will be conflicts at intersections. Unless it’s just circling a park. That’s where those who can’t handle traffic should be.

That’s where it switches over to the bicycle being the high speed vehicle being annoyed at slow and ignorant pedestrians ignoring the rules of the trail.

;P

117 wrenchwench  May 13, 2014 11:35:14am

OK, y’all pipe down, I gotta get some work done.

118 Bulworth  May 13, 2014 11:35:26am

OPERATION AMERICAN SPRING - UPDATE 51 LEAVING FOR D.C.

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False Flag!!!

119 Kragar  May 13, 2014 11:35:34am

re: #106 Pie-onist Overlord

LOL

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So 4 guys and each with the dozen or so voices in their heads?

120 Justanotherhuman  May 13, 2014 11:36:06am

re: #110 Dr Lizardo

This looks cool. Really cool.

Miles Davis Film ‘Miles Ahead’ Starring Don Cheadle To Begin Filming In Cincinnati This Summer

Sounds good. I’m looking forward to it already.

milesdavis.com

And Don Cheadle, too. Fantastic!

121 Feline Fearless Leader  May 13, 2014 11:36:39am

re: #111 Bulworth

All this talk about bicycles…everybody knows that bicycles and bike paths are part of the UN’s Agenda 21 to take are sovereignty and cars away, right?

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It’s also set-up for the far eastern invasion by scooters. Vespa was just their initial scouts.
O_O

122 Targetpractice  May 13, 2014 11:37:04am

re: #107 jaunte

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Yes folks, when you’re unemployed, watching your retirement savings dwindling and your mortgage months overdue, what you need is not an unemployment insurance check, you need “love.” More specifically, you need the sort of empty “love” that comes from believing that you’re in this position because of something you did, not because your boss is a greedy asshole who’s funding guys like Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, and Jeb Bush to tell you that you don’t need that government check.

123 Pie-onist Overlord  May 13, 2014 11:37:11am

re: #119 Kragar

So 4 guys and each with the dozen or so voices in their heads?

PERSONHOOD FOR ALL ARE GUNZ!!!!!!

124 jaunte  May 13, 2014 11:37:30am

re: #115 Kragar

Another believer in magical Sheriff Power.

125 Feline Fearless Leader  May 13, 2014 11:37:53am

re: #117 wrenchwench

OK, y’all pipe down, I gotta get some work done.

Can’t hear the carbon fiber scream as you tighten the nuts, eh?

126 Kragar  May 13, 2014 11:38:59am

re: #118 Bulworth

OPERATION AMERICAN SPRING - UPDATE 51 LEAVING FOR D.C.

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False Flag!!!


COUP ALERT: Operation American Spring is a Trap

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014, President Obama will award the Medal of Honor to former Army Sergeant Kyle J. White at the White House. Sgt. White allegedly risked his life to save fellow service members during a 2007 ambush in Afghanistan.
.
Three days later on Friday, May 16, 2014, Retired Colonel Harry Riley will lead a march of thousands of so-called “patriots” to Washington D.C. to “remove Obama, Biden, Reid, McConnell, Boehner, Pelosi, and Attorney General Holder from Office”.
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Interestingly, Col. Riley has termed the march “OPERATION AMERICAN SPRING”, a name synonymous with Islamic terrorism. In essence, “Operation American Spring” is a trap to set-up well-meaning “patriots” for acts of state-sponsored terror so that Obama’s political opposition can be vilified and a civil war can commence.
.
It is during one or both of these seemingly harmless events that a state-sponsored coup d’état and/or terror attacks will likely take place. Although terror plots are always subject to change, most likely target is Washington, D.C., namely the Obama White House and the Washington Monument.

127 freetoken  May 13, 2014 11:39:20am

Think you’re smarter than the average American?

Average Americans think they’re smarter than average Americans

That article is based on this YouGov article:
today.yougov.com

But…. as I read those, I’ve got to wonder if the writers really know what they’re writing about.

If you look at the results in a table:

While one might be able to get insights from that, they may not be the ones the writers of those focused upon.

I’ve got to wonder, what is “intelligence”, and what is the average “intelligence”.

128 Dr Lizardo  May 13, 2014 11:39:35am

re: #120 Justanotherhuman

And Don Cheadle, too. Fantastic!

Indeed; he’s one of my favorite actors. I have much confidence he’ll do justice to a biopic about Miles Davis.

129 Kragar  May 13, 2014 11:39:35am

re: #124 jaunte

Another believer in magical Sheriff Power.

Founding Fathers didn’t have no “Posse Comitatus” in the Constitution

130 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 11:40:24am

re: #115 Kragar

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Cliven Bundy Klan Calls for Action Wednesday in Salt Lake City

The Cliven Bundy Klan are at it again, this time calling for packing a public debate over public lands in Utah at a meeting called for Wednesday in Salt Lake City….

131 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 11:41:03am

re: #123 Pie-onist Overlord

PERSONHOOD FOR ALL ARE GUNZ!!!!!!

One vote per gun…

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132 Targetpractice  May 13, 2014 11:41:38am

re: #129 Kragar

Founding Fathers didn’t have no “Posse Comitatus” in the Constitution

The Founders totally intended sheriffs to be the highest law enforcement authority…which is why such is never expressed anywhere in the Constitution or in any of the known papers authored by the Founding Fathers.

133 Kragar  May 13, 2014 11:42:11am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cliven Bundy Klan Calls for Action Wednesday in Salt Lake City

Never enough Street Judges around when you need them.

134 Justanotherhuman  May 13, 2014 11:42:59am

re: #106 Pie-onist Overlord

LOL

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They’re not even selling any ads, and have an endorsement/screed from a 70 yr old retiree on the “about” page.

patriotsbillboard.org

Yeah, these people have no idea of what they’re doing. And they “discovered” the internet after they spent thousands on billboards in FL in the 2012 election.

135 Targetpractice  May 13, 2014 11:43:17am

re: #133 Kragar

Never enough Street Judges around when you need them.

Which Judges are we looking for, the hammy kind or the low and gravely kind?

136 Kragar  May 13, 2014 11:43:43am
137 b.d.  May 13, 2014 11:44:55am

re: #100 Bulworth

Kragar posted:

IRS SCANDAl!!! Government WAste!! FRee stuff!!111 Investigate!!!

THE IRS GIVES MONIES TO LIBS WHO DON’T EVEN ASK FOR IT WHILE MAKING THE TEA PARTY PEOPLE PAY MOAR!!

139 Feline Fearless Leader  May 13, 2014 11:47:34am

re: #124 jaunte

Another believer in magical Sheriff Power.

The kicker is that however you break it down the sheriff is a representative of a higher power. Going back historically the “shire reeve” from which the term sheriff is derived was the local magistrate responsible to and appointed by the king. He was a representative of a central government even then.

I presume the counter argument to that is that the current sheriff is locally elected and thus only a representative of the local people without any responsibilities towards the state or federal level. If that separation is held true, then the posse commitus folk are simply in rebellion against the state and federal government and should be treated as such.

140 Targetpractice  May 13, 2014 11:47:36am

re: #138 Sionainn

From the local moron talk radio show:

“I’m no scientist, but can someone explain why your DRINK doesn’t overflow when the ice melts in your glass? “

Fluid dynamics, how do they work?

141 Kragar  May 13, 2014 11:47:50am

re: #135 Targetpractice

Which Judges are we looking for, the hammy kind or the low and gravely kind?

142 Killgore Trout  May 13, 2014 11:48:08am

U.S. Says No Ransom For Kidnapped Nigerian Girls

The United States would oppose any ransom payment or prisoner exchange to free more than 250 Nigerian schoolgirls kidnapped last month by the extremist group Boko Haram, the Obama Administration said Tuesday.

“It is the policy of the United States to deny kidnappers the benefits of their criminal acts, and that includes ransoms or concessions,” White House Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters when asked whether Obama would support negotiations with Boko Haram, which abducted the girls last month.

143 Targetpractice  May 13, 2014 11:48:15am

re: #141 Kragar

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Good choice.

144 Bulworth  May 13, 2014 11:48:34am

Sionainn posted:

From the local moron talk radio show:
“I’m no scientist, but can someone explain why your DRINK doesn’t overflow when the ice melts in your glass? “

YOU can’t explain THAT!!!

145 jaunte  May 13, 2014 11:49:11am
146 Sergey Romanov  May 13, 2014 11:49:47am
“I’m no scientist, but can someone explain why your DRINK doesn’t overflow when the ice melts in your glass? “

Ray Comfort, is that you?

147 Feline Fearless Leader  May 13, 2014 11:50:15am

re: #145 jaunte

Until they did that next to the Bundy - and gunfire broke out. Everyone knows that cattle and sheep don’t mix.
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148 Targetpractice  May 13, 2014 11:51:29am

Spent days now thinking my computer’s power supply was making a whining sound that indicated it was on the verge of death…then discovered today it’s coming from my monitor’s built-in speaker. Guess it’s time to start shopping for a new monitor.

149 Skip Intro  May 13, 2014 11:51:30am

re: #106 Pie-onist Overlord

LOL

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Carl Swenson and Alex Coffey have arranged “live streaming” beginning on May 16, 2014 of the event from the D.C. Mall and other places as OAS D.C. takes us. Visit oas2014.com and you will see the test patterns on the site now. We will be there daily with you and for you and all of America that are not able to be in D.C.

OK, so I went to oas2014.com to see the test patterns.

Oops! That page can’t be found.

150 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 11:52:04am

re: #138 Sionainn

From the local moron talk radio show:

“I’m no scientist, but can someone explain why your DRINK doesn’t overflow when the ice melts in your glass? “

good grief, and she likes the answers that have nothing to do with polar ice melting.

151 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 11:53:14am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Saw this earlier today for you, KT:

152 Charles Johnson  May 13, 2014 11:53:18am
153 Killgore Trout  May 13, 2014 11:53:39am

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

Saw this earlier today for you, KT:

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lol

154 Pie-onist Overlord  May 13, 2014 11:54:27am

re: #149 Skip Intro

OK, so I went to oas2014.com to see the test patterns.

Try this:
oas2014.com

They have some patriotic Flash animations.

155 jaunte  May 13, 2014 11:54:44am

re: #138 Sionainn

From the local moron talk radio show:

“I’m no scientist, but can someone explain why your DRINK doesn’t overflow when the ice melts in your glass? “

She even included a picture helpfully showing that the frozen ice that’s making the “drink overflow” wasn’t in the glass before it melted.

156 Killgore Trout  May 13, 2014 11:55:06am

There has been an outrage
One of the most powerful women in the world won’t speak at Smith College after protests

Lagarde is one of the most accomplished and powerful women in the world. She has made history several times — as the first female head of the IMF, the first female finance minister of a G8 nation and the first female chairman of international law firm Baker & McKenzie.

Critics of the IMF argue the organization has had a damaging influence on the economies of developing nations.

157 Skip Intro  May 13, 2014 11:58:28am

re: #154 Pie-onist Overlord

You can’t get there from the link on their site.

158 Justanotherhuman  May 13, 2014 11:58:38am

Was this guy drummed out of the Army for delusions of grandeur?

Exclusive BIN Interview With Colonel Harry Riley, Leader Of ‘Operation American Spring’ (Video)

beforeitsnews.com

159 Pie-onist Overlord  May 13, 2014 11:59:24am

re: #158 Justanotherhuman

Was this guy drummed out of the Army for delusions of grandeur?

Exclusive BIN Interview With Colonel Harry Riley, Leader Of ‘Operation American Spring’ (Video)

beforeitsnews.com

Maybe he is a “Colonel” like the KFC guy?

160 Lidane  May 13, 2014 11:59:52am

re: #138 Sionainn

From the local moron talk radio show:

“I’m no scientist, but can someone explain why your DRINK doesn’t overflow when the ice melts in your glass? “

161 Decatur Deb  May 13, 2014 12:00:42pm

re: #158 Justanotherhuman

Was this guy drummed out of the Army for delusions of grandeur?

Exclusive BIN Interview With Colonel Harry Riley, Leader Of ‘Operation American Spring’ (Video)

beforeitsnews.com

Believe he was Military Intelligence. Army’s expectations of MI officers are ‘different’.

162 Killgore Trout  May 13, 2014 12:02:11pm

Update: Assad still using chemical weapons
French Say Assad’s Forces Used Chlorine Gas 14 Times

France’s foreign minister said Tuesday there were strong indications that the Syrian government had carried out attacks using chemical agents, especially chlorine, as many as 14 times in recent months, despite its promise to renounce such weapons in joining the global treaty banning them last year.

The minister, Laurent Fabius, who met here Tuesday morning with Secretary of State John Kerry, also said that he regretted that the Obama administration had decided against using force to enforce its “red line” after a chemical weapons attack in Damascus last Aug. 21 that Western nations, led by the United States, blamed on forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad.

France, Mr. Fabius indicated, had been prepared to use force as part of an American-led coalition, but did not want to act alone. Had such a military strike been carried out, Mr. Fabius said, “we feel that it would have changed many things.”

163 Targetpractice  May 13, 2014 12:03:21pm

You know, between the Bundy business and now this “American Spring,” it’s amazing how much free time such “hard-working patriots” have on their hands. Storming the capital on the Friday? Did they get their coworkers to cover their shifts at the mill?

164 Pie-onist Overlord  May 13, 2014 12:04:51pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

You know, between the Bundy business and now this “American Spring,” it’s amazing how much free time such “hard-working patriots” have on their hands. Storming the capital on the Friday? Did they get their coworkers to cover their shifts at the mill?

HURR HURR!!!! THERE ALL HARD WORKIN ENTERPENORRIN JRRB CREEATERZ, SELLIN THEM SHOWER CURTAINS ON CAFEPRESS!!!!!!

165 makeitstop  May 13, 2014 12:06:21pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

You know, between the Bundy business and now this “American Spring,” it’s amazing how much free time such “hard-working patriots” have on their hands. Storming the capital on the Friday? Did they get their coworkers to cover their shifts at the mill?

Yeah, I’m wondering how Bundy is ordering them all over the country, show up in Utah, show up here, there…and DC on Friday.

Who’s paying for their gas?

166 Justanotherhuman  May 13, 2014 12:07:06pm
167 Pie-onist Overlord  May 13, 2014 12:07:53pm

re: #165 makeitstop

Yeah, I’m wondering how Bundy is ordering them all over the country, show up in Utah, show up here, there…and DC on Friday.

Who’s paying for their gas?

Americans For Prosperity (aka TEH KOCH’S)

168 Killgore Trout  May 13, 2014 12:10:25pm

ADL survey: 26 percent of adults worldwide harbor anti-Semitic attitudes

Some 26 percent of those surveyed for the ADL Global 100: An Index of Anti-Semitism were found to be “deeply infected” with anti-Semitic attitudes, according to the Anti-Defamation League, which released the survey results on Tuesday. Some 53,100 adults in 102 countries and territories around the world were surveyed.

Laos was found to be the least anti-Semitic country at 0.2 percent of the adult population. The territories of the West Bank and Gaza Strip had the highest anti-Semitic attitudes at 93 percent.

169 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 12:10:58pm

oh lordy…

170 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 12:11:50pm

re: #165 makeitstop

Yeah, I’m wondering how Bundy is ordering them all over the country, show up in Utah, show up here, there…and DC on Friday.

Who’s paying for their gas?

They do a lot of begging on twitter and facebook for “patriot donations”

171 Killgore Trout  May 13, 2014 12:12:34pm

Yemeni Jet Hits 3 Trucks Carrying Weapons in South

A Yemeni military jet struck three trucks packed with weapons in a restive southern region on Tuesday, killing eight people including suspected al-Qaida militants, military and local officials said.

The trucks were moving arms and ammunition, including artillery equipment, from Shabwa to Marib governorate, where al-Qaida militants have been retreating after the military drove them from nearby strongholds, military officials said. Three of those killed are the drivers of the trucks, while the rest are thought to be al-Qaida fighters, they said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to brief the media.

172 Bulworth  May 13, 2014 12:13:40pm

Targetpractice posted:

You know, between the Bundy business and now this “American Spring,” it’s amazing how much free time such “hard-working patriots” have on their hands. Storming the capital on the Friday? Did they get their coworkers to cover their shifts at the mill?

Money, too. I thought they were “taxed enough already”? Amazing they have any money left after All The Taxes to do things, organize, travel, buy gunz, whatnot.

173 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 12:14:37pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

heh, another one for you, KT:

174 Justanotherhuman  May 13, 2014 12:15:26pm

Teehee, from The Examiner, no less.

Harry Riley promises Operation American Spring is “bathed in prayer”

examiner.com

(snip)

“According to Riley, “there’s 267 million armed citizens in the United States,” whom he evidently believes he can count on to participate in the OAS movement.

“There are roughly 307 million people in the United States as a whole, fewer than 40% of whom own guns and more than half of whom voted for the man Riley plans to violently overthrow.

“There’s that pesky communist arithmetic again.”

175 Killgore Trout  May 13, 2014 12:15:46pm

America

176 Killgore Trout  May 13, 2014 12:18:28pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

America

Surprising to see so many young and atheists don’t like Jews much.

177 GunstarGreen  May 13, 2014 12:18:44pm

re: #174 Justanotherhuman

Teehee, from The Examiner, no less.

Harry Riley promises Operation American Spring is “bathed in prayer”

examiner.com

(snip)

“According to Riley, “there’s 267 million armed citizens in the United States,” whom he evidently believes he can count on to participate in the OAS movement.

“There are roughly 307 million people in the United States as a whole, fewer than 40% of whom own guns and more than half of whom voted for the man Riley plans to violently overthrow.

“There’s that pesky communist arithmetic again.”

Similar to that freeper comment about “300 million Christian Americans” being opposed to Sam’s pick in the NFL.

Those damned commies and their numbers and facts!

178 Kragar  May 13, 2014 12:18:51pm
179 Justanotherhuman  May 13, 2014 12:21:23pm

re: #178 Kragar

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The sad thing is, they’re making money pushing that vile ignorance.

180 Lidane  May 13, 2014 12:21:40pm

Oh, this should be fun:

181 Dr Lizardo  May 13, 2014 12:22:14pm

re: #179 Justanotherhuman

The sad thing is, they’re making money pushing that vile ignorance.

Hate sells.

182 Feline Fearless Leader  May 13, 2014 12:23:19pm

re: #180 Lidane

Oh, this should be fun:

Will this be the announcement for the gold-plated bitcoin? Coming soon to a website near you!
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183 Kragar  May 13, 2014 12:24:23pm

CNBC Anchor Loses It: ‘I Don’t Know Who the Republican Party Is Anymore’
by Evan McMurry | 9:34 am, May 13th, 2014 VIDEO 170

“Can we stop saying ‘The Republican Party?’” Sullivan said. “As somebody that grew up in a conservative household, I don’t recognize the Republican Party of even my youth. I don’t like what I see. I don’t like the far right. I don’t like the extremism. They’ve pushed me away.”

He very much continued:

“As someone pretty much not religious, pro-same-sex marriage, pro-legalization of marijuana for the most part — what party is this? What party am I supposed to be in? When I’m a fiscal conservative who believes that small government can often be better — there are times for larger government.

“So we keep saying ‘The Republican Party.’ I don’t know who the Republican Party is anymore. I don’t know if the Republican Party knows who the Republican Party — because it’s not a party, unfortunately, that I can get on board with, because I don’t like the small-minded attitude of a lot of the far right wing stuff that comes out. I should go home now.”

184 Targetpractice  May 13, 2014 12:24:49pm

re: #180 Lidane

Oh, this should be fun:

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Did I miss something? Did the price of gold plunge while I was watching Frozen?

185 makeitstop  May 13, 2014 12:24:50pm

re: #182 Feline Fearless Leader

Will this be the announcement for the gold-plated bitcoin? Coming soon to a website near you!
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I’m waiting for the survival seed-encrusted Bitcoin, personally.

186 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 12:24:57pm
Archaeologists have confirmed the presence of a long-lost Roman military camp deep in eastern Germany. The 18-hectare site, found near the town of Hachelbich in Thuringia, would have sheltered a Roman legion of up to 5000 troops. Its location in a broad valley with few impediments suggests it was a stopover on the way to invade territory further east.

Additional evidence of an ancient encampment includes traces of eight makeshift bread ovens not far from the camp perimeter and a handful of artifacts, including four nails from the bottom of Roman boots, a piece of horse tackle, and part of a scabbard. The style of these artifacts—and a few radiocarbon dates—place the camp somewhere in the first 2 centuries C.E., too broad a range to be linked to a known specific event in Roman history.

Ancient Roman Military Camp Unearthed in Eastern Germany

187 Kragar  May 13, 2014 12:25:41pm

re: #180 Lidane

Oh, this should be fun:

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“This gold scam has just about run its course, and that survival food just isn’t taking off like we thought. What else have we got to bilk the rubes?”

188 b.d.  May 13, 2014 12:26:56pm

re: #185 makeitstop

I’m waiting for the survival seed-encrusted Bitcoin, personally.

I’ll only use heirloom bitcoins

189 Targetpractice  May 13, 2014 12:28:04pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ancient Roman Military Camp Unearthed in Eastern Germany

In related news, Bundy’s militia buddies have started buying plane tickets and scouting ATV shops in East Germany.

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190 bubba zanetti  May 13, 2014 12:28:05pm

re: #188 b.d.

I’ll only use heirloom bitcoins

How about some handcrafted integers?

brooklynintegers.com

191 GunstarGreen  May 13, 2014 12:28:22pm

re: #180 Lidane

Oh, this should be fun:

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Hmm… this sounds familiar, somehow.

Oh yeah! It’s the Repliforce.

Youtube Video

Featuring Sigma as Koch.

192 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 12:28:28pm
193 Feline Fearless Leader  May 13, 2014 12:29:02pm

re: #190 bubba zanetti

How about some handcrafted integers?

brooklynintegers.com

Are heirloom integers in limited denominations like I, V, X, and C?

194 Skip Intro  May 13, 2014 12:29:16pm

re: #180 Lidane

Good timing, Glenn.

Bitcoin miner startup slapped with involuntary bankruptcy petition

Just days after HashFast’s CEO told Ars that his company was “as poor as church mice,” a group of five customers has filed an involuntary bankruptcy petition against the Bitcoin miner manufacturer-turned-chipmaker. It’s the first step in an attempt to recover over $330,000 in payments that were apparently never fulfilled.

arstechnica.com

195 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 12:29:25pm

good grief.

196 Lidane  May 13, 2014 12:31:30pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

Heh. That’s like trying to say “bless your heart” to someone and mean it in the South.

197 Justanotherhuman  May 13, 2014 12:32:24pm

re: #181 Dr Lizardo

Hate sells.

Yeah, I think of it as a shit sandwich for the non-thinking and people like Starnes and Fischer are running just one of the concessions.

198 Lidane  May 13, 2014 12:34:33pm
199 jaunte  May 13, 2014 12:35:59pm
200 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 12:36:41pm

re: #174 Justanotherhuman

Teehee, from The Examiner, no less.

Harry Riley promises Operation American Spring is “bathed in prayer”

oh gawd, I sure hope that doesn’t mean they’re gonna go all nekkid at the Mall…

201 lawhawk  May 13, 2014 12:37:20pm

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

That affects a wide range of rockets should this continue for a prolonged period - Atlas V use Russian RD-180s and it would screw with US DoD/NSA/NRO satellite launches, to say nothing of commercial launches and launches requiring the Atlas V lift capabilities.

In a way that helps Musk’s Space X, since they aren’t relying on Russian designed engines in the way that Boeing-Lockheed are.

202 EPR-radar  May 13, 2014 12:37:27pm

re: #183 Kragar

Seeing evidence of self-inflicted damage to the GOP because of its embrace of racists and assorted other cranks always brightens my day.

203 jaunte  May 13, 2014 12:37:51pm

re: #174 Justanotherhuman

Harry Riley promises Operation American Spring is “bathed in prayer”

Imprecatory for the win!

204 EPR-radar  May 13, 2014 12:38:31pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh gawd, I sure hope that doesn’t mean they’re gonna go all nekkid at the Mall…

Sky-clad patriotic ceremonies by tea baggers?

Not enough brain bleach in the world to cope with that.

205 Kragar  May 13, 2014 12:38:39pm

re: #203 jaunte

Imprecatory for the win!

Probably the only bathing for many of them.

206 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2014 12:38:44pm

re: #201 lawhawk

That affects a wide range of rockets should this continue for a prolonged period - Atlas V use Russian RD-180s and it would screw with US DoD/NSA/NRO satellite launches, to say nothing of commercial launches and launches requiring the Atlas V lift capabilities.

In a way that helps Musk’s Space X, since they aren’t relying on Russian designed engines in the way that Boeing-Lockheed are.

Might also help get back funding for NASA.

207 Bulworth  May 13, 2014 12:38:59pm

Lidane posted:

Tonight’s Glenn Beck show will be dedicated to discussing whether Bitcoin just “may be a key to our liberty and our security.”

Can’t make it tonight. Gotta do my hair. And I’m bald.

208 Lidane  May 13, 2014 12:39:48pm

re: #183 Kragar

The Walkback of Shame has begun:

CNBC Anchor: ‘I Wasn’t Praising The Dems’ When I Went Off On GOP

Sullivan revisited his “Morning Joe” bit Tuesday afternoon on his CNBC program, “Street Signs.” He said that he wasn’t commenting on the GOP’s handling of the Benghazi attacks, as some of the other MSNBC panelists were, but instead was making a point about the direction of the party.

“When I look at all of the different social issues, I would be willing as a voter to sacrifice a bad economic policy — or one maybe I didn’t agree with — if it was better than some big social agenda I cannot get on board with,” Sullivan said. “And I know a lot of people that have been faced with the same decision. That’s the point I was trying to make.”

Longtime CNBC host Larry Kudlow chimed in and said that in recent years the Democratic Party has silenced people who stand against the party’s social messaging, including those who oppose abortion.

“I wasn’t praising that side, Larry, I wasn’t praising the Dems,” Sullivan said, adding that American politics looks extremely polarized to outsiders.

209 EPR-radar  May 13, 2014 12:42:21pm

re: #208 Lidane

American politics looks polarized to others because it is polarized.

There is no way to sugar-coat the difference between sane and insane.

210 b_sharp  May 13, 2014 1:11:28pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Surprising to see so many young and atheists don’t like Jews much.

Atheists are pretty much against all religions.

211 EPR-radar  May 13, 2014 2:36:04pm

re: #210 b_sharp

Atheists are pretty much against all religions.

There’s a big difference between not believing in religion (i.e., atheism) and anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, anti-Catholicism etc.

Unfortunately, some atheists tends to conflate these by using their skepticism about religious belief as a justification for bigoted smears, blindly unaware of the massive irony involved.


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