Friday Evening Oddity: Floating Metal Key

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“FMK Film, an assembly of seven concentrated film snippets that deconstruct and expand the logic, beauty and anguish trapped within each track of the 7 tracks on Matthew Wilcock’s debut EP, FMK / Floating Metal Key.”

FLOATING METAL KEY
OUT NOW / EVERYWHERE
Itunes: itunes.apple.com!
Play: goo.gl!
Spotify: open.spotify.com!

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Directed By
Dan Kokotajlo / dankokotajlo.com / twitter.com

Concept
Dan Kokotajlo
Matthew Wilcock

Art Direction Concept
Tony Zagoraios / twitter.com

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246 comments
1 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 7:13:55pm

I’m too old for that video

2 Charles Johnson  May 16, 2014 7:18:27pm
3 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 7:20:13pm

“Practicing what they preach to us”

great video at link

I love young people. Old people piss me off.

4 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 7:22:18pm
5 Randall Gross  May 16, 2014 7:24:47pm

Itunes update out there.

6 Charles Johnson  May 16, 2014 7:25:56pm
7 Charles Johnson  May 16, 2014 7:26:19pm

re: #5 Randall Gross

Itunes update out there.

Yeah, got it yesterday with the latest Mac OS update.

8 Kragar  May 16, 2014 7:28:08pm

So my latest project is coming along nicely

9 Charles Johnson  May 16, 2014 7:30:35pm

Actually managed to installed Java runtime version 7 today, on the LGF server. It’s only being used to run the Google Closure Compiler that “minifies” our Javascript files, but the latest Closure Compiler requires Java 7.

What a pain in the neck it is to upgrade Java. Took hours to get the process right; the worst thing is that you can’t use wget to download the package directly. It’s like Stone Age software.

10 darthstar  May 16, 2014 7:39:52pm
11 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 7:40:04pm


Someone smote Godzilla!

12 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 7:41:44pm

13 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 7:42:45pm
14 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 7:43:21pm
15 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 7:46:23pm
16 Kragar  May 16, 2014 7:49:30pm

I really liked the rules they have for one of the 40k characters, but his model just looks atrocious. Now I’ll be able to run his rules using my Night Lords

17 calochortus  May 16, 2014 7:50:01pm

re: #15 FemNaziBitch

Obama is such a kid-magnet. I love it.

18 Kragar  May 16, 2014 7:55:48pm
19 teleskiguy  May 16, 2014 7:57:02pm

So this is happening in my neck of the woods.

20 teleskiguy  May 16, 2014 7:59:09pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Dude, those are some hip sunnies!

21 Charles Johnson  May 16, 2014 8:02:13pm
22 Charles Johnson  May 16, 2014 8:10:28pm

On the drawing board for the near future: a private messaging system that will let LGF users send, yes, private messages to each other.

23 Lidane  May 16, 2014 8:19:14pm
24 Charles Johnson  May 16, 2014 8:21:10pm

re: #23 Lidane

Speaker at #OperationAmericanSpring tells “crowd” that “it’s going to take a little blood” to stop Obama

Crowd gives feeble cheer, looks forward to the motel bed with the Happy Fingers massage.

25 wheat-dogghazi  May 16, 2014 8:27:15pm

re: #23 Lidane

Why not just wait until his term ends?

26 calochortus  May 16, 2014 8:28:32pm

re: #23 Lidane

Stop Obama from doing what, exactly? I’m tired of all this nonspecific “take back our country” stuff.

27 Kragar  May 16, 2014 8:30:26pm

re: #25 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Why not just wait until his term ends?

Because a part of them realizes they’re never going to win an election.

28 Lidane  May 16, 2014 8:32:36pm

re: #26 calochortus

Stop Obama from doing what, exactly?

Stop being a black POTUS, obviously. Hence all the Dixie flags and KKK symbolism on the far right.

29 jaunte  May 16, 2014 8:34:28pm

re: #28 Lidane

Stop being a black POTUS, obviously.

It’s tyranny!

30 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 8:35:51pm

re: #26 calochortus

Stop Obama from doing what, exactly? I’m tired of all this nonspecific “take back our country” stuff.

stop doing.

stop being.

I think they mean it in the intransitive verb sort of way.

31 Kragar  May 16, 2014 8:38:18pm

re: #26 calochortus

Stop Obama from doing what, exactly? I’m tired of all this nonspecific “take back our country” stuff.

32 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 8:40:16pm

re: #31 Kragar

[Embedded image]

Sucks when the perceived rule of order changes.

33 Charles Johnson  May 16, 2014 8:40:19pm

Weird. Has the Internet just forgotten about Justin Raimondo’s long history of the worst kind of antisemitic lunacy? How is this guy coming back into the mainstream? I mean, wtf?

Raimondo was one of the first hardcore paleo-right wing antisemites I’ve ever encountered, and a truly disgusting example of it. He’s now supposed to be a legitimate voice?

Really?

34 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 8:41:21pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Weird. Has the Internet just forgotten about Justin Raimondo’s long history of the worst kind of antisemitic lunacy? How is this guy coming back into the mainstream? I mean, wtf?

[Embedded content]

Raimondo was one of the first hardcore paleo-right wing antisemites I’ve ever encountered, and a truly disgusting example of it. He’s now supposed to be a legitimate voice?

Really?

election coming up.

35 jaunte  May 16, 2014 8:42:06pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Kevin Patrick Kelly looks about 16, so maybe it’s all news to him.

36 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 8:42:07pm

bbl

37 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 16, 2014 8:42:41pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

I have played a few Martin’s in stores, trying them out, and for some reason, they never really grabbed me like they do others.

I would like to try a Richard Thompson Lowden guitar someday, just to see if it clicks, because I admire his playing, and he seems to get some great sounds out of it. It’s “win the lottery” money for me though.

38 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 16, 2014 8:44:04pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Weird. Has the Internet just forgotten about Justin Raimondo’s long history of the worst kind of antisemitic lunacy? How is this guy coming back into the mainstream? I mean, wtf?

[Embedded content]

Raimondo was one of the first hardcore paleo-right wing antisemites I’ve ever encountered, and a truly disgusting example of it. He’s now supposed to be a legitimate voice?

Really?

A GG tongue bath covers a multitude of sins ////

39 Charles Johnson  May 16, 2014 8:49:42pm
40 teleskiguy  May 16, 2014 9:04:43pm
41 freetoken  May 16, 2014 9:13:49pm

Spouse of twice-failed Republican US Senate candidate loses $350 million in one day:

WWE CEO Vince McMahon No Longer Billionaire After Losing $350 Million In A Day

The 1% of the 1% had a bad day.

42 wheat-dogghazi  May 16, 2014 9:17:41pm

re: #41 freetoken

Spouse of twice-failed Republican US Senate candidate loses $350 million in one day:

WWE CEO Vince McMahon No Longer Billionaire After Losing $350 Million In A Day

The 1% of the 1% had a bad day.

Can you hear the tiny violins playing in the background?

43 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 16, 2014 9:20:39pm

re: #41 freetoken

Spouse of twice-failed Republican US Senate candidate loses $350 million in one day:

WWE CEO Vince McMahon No Longer Billionaire After Losing $350 Million In A Day

The 1% of the 1% had a bad day.

The stock fell after news that WWE had signed a new television deal with NBCUniversal for less than some investors had hoped. Benchmark analyst Mike Hickey estimated WWE got a 50% raise over its last TV agreement, but he expected the new deal to pay WWE double or triple its previous one.

(my emphasis)

I can’t stand Vince McMahon, but this piece of that article explains why I can’t stand the stock market even more, and why I would never trust them to manage social security “privatized retirement accounts.” It’s a casino, and if things don’t go the way they like, they’ll act like spoiled brats and sell off their stock.

44 Gus  May 16, 2014 9:22:19pm

I haz gone shopping with Colorado’s new law today finally. :D

45 Gus  May 16, 2014 9:22:36pm

I have to admit. It’s pretty fucking neat.

46 Gus  May 16, 2014 9:24:36pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Weird. Has the Internet just forgotten about Justin Raimondo’s long history of the worst kind of antisemitic lunacy? How is this guy coming back into the mainstream? I mean, wtf?

[Embedded content]

Raimondo was one of the first hardcore paleo-right wing antisemites I’ve ever encountered, and a truly disgusting example of it. He’s now supposed to be a legitimate voice?

Really?

Tweet by, “Previously a columnist for The Washington Times Communities. Currently a columnist for Oliver Stone’s @//untoldhistoryus.”

47 Charles Johnson  May 16, 2014 9:28:22pm

re: #46 Gus

Tweet by, “Previously a columnist for The Washington Times Communities. Currently a columnist for Oliver Stone’s @//untoldhistoryus.”

Circle of derp.

48 Gus  May 16, 2014 9:29:04pm
49 Gus  May 16, 2014 9:33:24pm
50 Charles Johnson  May 16, 2014 9:34:07pm

51 teleskiguy  May 16, 2014 9:35:20pm

re: #44 Gus

I haz gone shopping with Colorado’s new law today finally. :D

re: #45 Gus

I have to admit. It’s pretty fucking neat.

I made my third ever purchase at a weed store today as well! The names are outrageous. I got a little Jack the Ripper, some Blue Dream, and a big ol’ joint (for later when I’m in a big circle of people around a fire) filled with some stuff called Charlie Sheen OG.

It’s the third time I’ve gone into a legal establishment and bought cannabis, and so far, every time I’ve vocalized how weird and how cool it is that this shit is going down.

:D

52 teleskiguy  May 16, 2014 9:36:09pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Here’s hopin’ the meme takes off. Cheers.

53 Gus  May 16, 2014 9:37:16pm

re: #51 teleskiguy

I made my third ever purchase at a weed store today as well! The names are outrageous. I got little Jack the Ripper, some Blue Dream, and a big ol’ joint (for later when I’m in a big circle of people around a fire) filled with some stuff called Charlie Sheen OG.

It’s the third time I’ve gone into a legal establishment and bought cannabis, and so far, every time I’ve vocalized how weird and how cool it is that this shit is going down.

:D

Cheap too. Went to this little shop on Capitol Hill. Nice people to boot.

54 William Barnett-Lewis  May 16, 2014 9:37:48pm

re: #51 teleskiguy

I made my third ever purchase at a weed store today as well! The names are outrageous. I got little Jack the Ripper, some Blue Dream, and a big ol’ joint (for later when I’m in a big circle of people around a fire) filled with some stuff called Charlie Sheen OG.

It’s the third time I’ve gone into a legal establishment and bought cannabis, and so far, every time I’ve vocalized how weird and how cool it is that this shit is going down.

:D

Done enough damage to my lungs while I still used tobacco that even if I visited I’d not do anything but find a brew pub. :D But I do think it’s good to see that we’re making real progress in getting this legal.

55 wheat-dogghazi  May 16, 2014 9:40:50pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Pernicious G. and MC Snowden

56 teleskiguy  May 16, 2014 9:44:53pm

re: #53 Gus

Cheap too. Went to this little shop on Capitol Hill. Nice people to boot.

The first time I bought legal cannabis was in Aspen in March. This place was decked out, yo! All their strains were in glass cases on the wall to observe, all in nice-sized 2-pint jars, with lights above your head displaying the bud nicely. I pointed to a jar that said “snow” on it and asked a clerk there about the bud and he replied “Oh yeah, I tried that last night, it’s a real creeper but a very good sativa high, if that’s what you’re in to.”

The staff was extremely friendly, and the process pretty straightforward. All of their wares are in this little room with shiny glass cases. They give you a piece of paper and you check off what you want and quantities and it’s then packaged in another room and you walk out nice and discreet.

That place was expensive. It was downtown Aspen, after all. But it was very classy. Very classy.

57 Dark_Falcon  May 16, 2014 9:45:09pm

re: #55 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Pernicious G. and MC Snowden

Starring in: The DERP of Treachery.

58 Gus  May 16, 2014 9:50:39pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

The first time I bought legal cannabis was in Aspen in March. This place was decked out, yo! All their strains were in glass cases on the wall to observe, all in nice-sized 2-pint jars, with lights above your head displaying the bud nicely. I pointed to a jar that said “snow” on it and asked a clerk there about the bud and he replied “Oh yeah, I tried that last night, it’s a real creeper but a very good sativa high, if that’s what you’re in to.”

The staff was extremely friendly, and the process pretty straightforward. All of their wares are in this little room with shiny glass cases. They give you a piece of paper and and you check off what you want and quantities and it’s then packaged in another room and you walk out nice and discreet.

That place was expensive. It was downtown Aspen, after all. But it was very classy. Very classy.

That’s Aspen for ya. I just floated there late this afternoon. Parked right in front near downtown. Denver still has a lot of pluses.

59 Rightwingconspirator  May 16, 2014 9:51:13pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

Nice.
In other words a kinda high end informative retail experience. For those that oppose legalization or flip out over that medical dispensary down the street, my question becomes what do you think society can do instead?
What scenario is less negative than regulated taxed retail sales?

60 teleskiguy  May 16, 2014 10:02:40pm

re: #54 William Barnett-Lewis

Done enough damage to my lungs while I still used tobacco that even if I visited I’d not do anything but find a brew pub. :D But I do think it’s good to see that we’re making real progress in getting this legal.

I’ve been tobacco free for a couple of years now. And I found it a shame because I like to smoke. I think it’s in the man’s autobiography, Zappa said he liked to smoke, and I, being a fallible human, related with that.

Health-wise? I haven’t smoked tobacco in many many months, because duh!

The cannabis? I’m really thinking that vaporizing is the way to go. Hell, you can vaporize tobacco - anything you want! in some of these pricier vaporizers. Igniting burning plant and inhaling the smoke into your lungs? This is the 21st century.

Now I just need to put aside $200+ for a pocket-sized handheld vaporizer with digital temperature control. :P

61 teleskiguy  May 16, 2014 10:08:36pm

re: #59 Rightwingconspirator

Nice.
In other words a kinda high end informative retail experience. For those that oppose legalization or flip out over that medical dispensary down the street, my question becomes what do you think society can do instead?
What scenario is less negative than regulated taxed retail sales?

This was not meeting your boy in the back of the mall parking lot to score some grass. This was a most pleasant retail experience!

62 William Barnett-Lewis  May 16, 2014 10:15:22pm

re: #59 Rightwingconspirator

Good to see you’re here tonight. Been doing a bit of home smithing of late, got my project 1972 Model 10 a fair ways along. Next is the cold blue solution that should arrive on Monday. I also have a new set of the same type of grips on order from S&W, though they can take months to arrive.

I’ll just link so people that don’t want to see guns don’t have to… ;)
Image: _5142286.JPG

63 Gus  May 16, 2014 10:21:24pm

Too late. See above.

Youtube Video

64 Rightwingconspirator  May 16, 2014 10:23:00pm

re: #62 William Barnett-Lewis

Nice project. Nice to break from Premiere / editing for a bit. How good is cold blue? Been looking at finishes, refinishing my old IDPA competition Caspian .45

65 Rightwingconspirator  May 16, 2014 10:30:59pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

Take a look at the cloud. Only takes wax concentrate but that does keep the cost of the device down.

Google link

Well under a hundred $ and I’m assured by trusted pals it works well. Far less material burned, presumably less risk. But not well studied!

66 William Barnett-Lewis  May 16, 2014 10:31:30pm

re: #64 Rightwingconspirator

Nice project. Nice to break from Premiere / editing for a bit. How good is cold blue? Been looking at finishes, refinishing my old IDPA competition Caspian .45

Depends on the product. I did a fair bit of research before buying the one I went with (Brownell’s Oxpho-Blue). It’s supposed to go on without being as sensitive to needing serious cleaning and polishing first plus it’s supposed to have decent wear characteristics. I’ll know soon enough :) For something like your .45 it should be good but I’ll see what results I get and post some pics for you to check out.

I am such a revolver Fudd… O_o

67 Rightwingconspirator  May 16, 2014 10:36:00pm

re: #66 William Barnett-Lewis

Depends on the product. I did a fair bit of research before buying the one I went with (Brownell’s Oxpho-Blue). It’s supposed to go on without being as sensitive to needing serious cleaning and polishing first plus it’s supposed to have decent wear characteristics. I’ll know soon enough :) For something like your .45 it should be good but I’ll see what results I get and post some pics for you to check out.

I am such a revolver Fudd… O_o

I seem to wear all the finishes out. The nature of IDPA as a CCW styled sport is a ton of holster draws. Just strips the finish off the front of the slide. Pondering a high tech solution vs just repeat old school blue every other year.

Oh and nothing wrong with a revolver. :-)

68 Gus  May 16, 2014 10:39:06pm
69 Lidane  May 16, 2014 11:05:43pm
70 freetoken  May 16, 2014 11:13:11pm

re: #69 Lidane

Photoshopped?

71 Rightwingconspirator  May 16, 2014 11:16:48pm

annecy
Welcome. I see you registered recently. If ya jump in the waters fine.

72 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 11:17:03pm

An Early Morning Mandela

nytol

73 Lidane  May 16, 2014 11:17:32pm

re: #70 freetoken

No idea. I just thought it looked cool.

74 Single-handed sailor  May 16, 2014 11:41:32pm

John Belushi - A Little Help From My Friends

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75 Single-handed sailor  May 17, 2014 12:05:37am

The real Joe Cocker at Woodstock

Youtube Video

76 Kragar  May 17, 2014 12:20:12am
77 Kragar  May 17, 2014 12:22:57am
78 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 17, 2014 12:56:31am

re: #77 Kragar

made my day, reposted it in FB already…

79 freetoken  May 17, 2014 1:35:45am

MP3 Audio

80 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 17, 2014 2:29:50am

I’m the joker, I’m the smoker, I’m the the midnight freetoker…

81 Decatur Deb  May 17, 2014 2:32:38am

re: #70 freetoken

Photoshopped?

Same people that did the moon landing.

82 Targetpractice  May 17, 2014 2:34:58am

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I’m the joker, I’m the smoker, I’m the the midnight freetoker…

You get your lovin’ on the run?

83 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 3:51:49am

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I’m the joker, I’m the smoker, I’m the the midnight freetoker…

Do you speak of the pompitous of love?

84 jonhendry  May 17, 2014 3:58:30am

re: #54 William Barnett-Lewis

There’s always edibles, like rice krispy treats made with THC-infused butter.

85 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 4:15:23am

As I Lay Dying Frontman Sentenced

This guy is not about music; hell, he’s not about love, either, but about ego and being a power over others. “Talent” doesn’t excuse him. And he only got 6 years?

It doesn’t appear that in spite of what his wife went through, she learned very much about that; hopefully she’ll get therapy to understand herself. I mean, your life is you and no one can be trusted with it except yourself—giving it over to someone else is nothing but slavery, not love.

“My name used to be Meggan Lambesis. And up until two years ago, my heart was entirely devoted to him,” Murphy began. “I trusted him with everything, including my life … When the one person who you’ve been most vulnerable with and the most intimate with; who you’ve entrusted with every aspect of your life; who has not only desired but planned your murder — you’re left feeling completely exposed and unprotected. Who can I trust now? How can I feel safe?”

Source: nbcsandiego.com
Follow us: @nbcsandiego on Twitter | NBCSanDiego on Facebook

86 ObserverArt  May 17, 2014 4:16:51am

Morning! Well, this is no way to start a day. I watch local NBC news for weather, etc. And I usually allow it to roll right into The Today Show. And who is their first guest. Glenn Greenwald.

Addition: Well, that was short. I get the idea Lester Holt doesn’t care a lot for Glenn and Snowden, He kept that interview short and went to the point that many think Snoweden is a skunk. Greenwald passed it off as a false narrative and that was pretty much the interview. Ha.

87 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 4:25:32am

re: #86 ObserverArt

Morning! Well, this is no way to start a day. I watch local NBC news for weather, etc. And I usually allow it to roll right into The Today Show. And who is their first guest. Glenn Greenwald.

Addition: Well, that was short. I get the idea Lester Holt doesn’t care a lot for Glenn and Snowden, He kept that interview short and went to the point that many think Snoweden is a skunk. Greenwald passed it off as a false narrative and that was pretty much the interview. Ha.

Lester Holt would never be allowed into the Dudebro™ cult anyway, for 2 obvious reasons.

88 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 4:30:45am

re: #86 ObserverArt

Wasn’t GG just on the Today Show the other day with Matt Lauer. The snake has no qualms about whoring himself out for whatever publicity he can get. Sheesh.

89 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 4:40:27am

re: #87 Justanotherhuman

Lester Holt would never be allowed into the DudebroTM cult anyway, for 2 obvious reasons.

OK, the first and obvious reason is that Holt is Blac-blac-blakity-black!!1. Is the other reason because he works for MSNBC AKA ‘corporate media’?

90 ObserverArt  May 17, 2014 4:40:35am

re: #88 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Wasn’t GG just on the Today Show the other day with Matt Lauer. The snake has no qualms about whoring himself out for whatever publicity he can get. Sheesh.

Yes he was. And Lauer softballed it.

I was caught out by one thing Lester said though, before doing the interview he said he needed to let everyone know that NBC has a working relationship with The Intercept. I never heard anything about that.

91 ObserverArt  May 17, 2014 4:42:07am

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

OK, the first and obvious reason is that Holt is Blac-blac-blakity-black!!1. Is the other reason because he works for MSNBC AKA ‘corporate media’?

Dark…see my comment about NBC and The Intercept in 90. Surprise. Surprise.

92 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 4:43:24am

re: #90 ObserverArt

Yes he was. And Lauer softballed it.

I was caught out by one thing Lester said though, before doing the interview he said he needed to let everyone know that NBC has a working relationship with The Intercept. I never heard anything about that.

That working relationship might have been why Lauer threw softballs, not wanting to upset an applecart set up by his superiors. Given that situation, I’d likely throw a couple softballs then slink away myself.

93 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 4:50:24am

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

That working relationship might have been why Lauer threw softballs, not wanting to upset an applecart set up by his superiors. Given that situation, I’d likely throw a couple softballs then slink away myself.

Well, didn’t know that little factoid. When did that happen? Obviously that puts a lot of people at NBC in an odd position. Maybe not so much MSNBC, where it’s all opinion and no news anyway, but NBC? The news outlet?

GG is doing exactly what he he venomously accuses MSM journalists of doing.

I’m wondering if Omidyar has heavy investments in NBC?

94 ObserverArt  May 17, 2014 4:54:15am

re: #93 Justanotherhuman

Well, didn’t know that little factoid. When did that happen? Obviously that puts a lot of people at NBC in an odd position. Maybe not so much MSNBC, where it’s all opinion and no news anyway, but NBC? The news outlet?

GG is doing exactly what he he venomously accuses MSM journalists of doing.

I’m wondering if Omidyar has heavy investments in NBC?

Well, with Comcast owning it all now…who knows. Once Comcast bought NBC Universal, I figured NBC was done as I knew it. Sad. Everything is like one big Monopoly game board. No matter what you land on it is owned by one of the top 100 companies. That is what scares me…no independence. And if they get an end to ‘net neutrality just think of where it will all go.

95 urbanmeemaw  May 17, 2014 4:55:41am

re: #90 ObserverArt

Disclosure! What a concept. I forgot that’s what “real journalists” do. How many other relationships or connections are there between Pierre and other organizations in the media?

Speaking of Pierre, I followed a link in a comments section (may have been here) to a story on poynter.org, which reported that Pierre had a meeting with some media executives and reporters to help him determine what direction the Intercept should take. This was after the announcements of hirings, etc. Wouldn’t that kind of planning be done prior to a launch? This whole Intercept endeavor strikes me as disorganized and poorly managed, which is not surprising at all. I predict many defections over ego conflicts and lack of direction.

On another note, the good thing about this “24 hour news cycle” is that the media will move on to some new story and Snowald will be forgotten. Until he has his very public meltdown when someone criticizes him or Pierre won’t let him have his way. Film at 11.

96 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 4:55:49am

re: #93 Justanotherhuman

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

re: #90 ObserverArt

It is somewhat ironic? hypocritical? both? that GG has been doing a book tour spitting in the face of all the media outlets that have trumpeted his “reporting” about Snowden over the past year, all the while hopping into bed with them for further “working relationships.”

I know if I ran a publication that got pissed all over by GG in his book, I would make damned sure the dudebro didn’t have an easy time if one of my reporters ever interviewed him.

You want to see an adversarial press, Glenn, I’d give you an adversarial press.

97 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 4:59:14am

re: #94 ObserverArt

Well, with Comcast owning it all now…who knows. Once Comcast bought NBC Universal, I figured NBC was done as I knew it. Sad. Everything is like one big Monopoly game board. No matter what you land on it is owned by one of the top 100 companies. That is what scares me…no independence. And if they get an end to ‘net neutrality just think of where it will all go.

This is a good resource for seeing just how concentrated media ownership is in the U.S., from Columbia Journalism Review: Who owns what. At one point, 6 companies controlled like 90 percent of the major media (including entertainment as well as journalism). Not sure if that figure is accurate anymore.

98 ObserverArt  May 17, 2014 5:05:12am

re: #97 Rev_Arthur_Belling

This is a good resource for seeing just how concentrated media ownership is in the U.S., from Columbia Journalism Review: Who owns what. At one point, 6 companies controlled like 90 percent of the major media (including entertainment as well as journalism). Not sure if that figure is accurate anymore.

That’s an interesting link Rev. I went to the Comcast list. It is pretty long. Heck, they even own VeriSign one of the big internet SSL security companies.

99 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 5:09:07am

re: #96 Rev_Arthur_Belling

It is somewhat ironic? hypocritical? both? that GG has been doing a book tour spitting in the face of all the media outlets that have trumpeted his “reporting” about Snowden over the past year, all the while hopping into bed with them for further “working relationships.”

I know if I ran a publication that got pissed all over by GG in his book, I would make damned sure the dudebro didn’t have an easy time if one of my reporters ever interviewed him.

You want to see an adversarial press, Glenn, I’d give you an adversarial press.

I’m not so sure you would, given the consequences if you did. If your interviewer just tore into Greenwald, even fully honestly, then his publicity firm would blacklist your publication. You’d likely never get an interview from one of their clients again. And other publicity firms would likely not want to deal with you as well for a significant period after you ambushed Greenwald.

100 ObserverArt  May 17, 2014 5:12:32am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

I’m not so sure you would, given the consequences if you did. If your interviewer just tore into Greenwald, even fully honestly, then his publicity firm would blacklist your publication. You’d likely never get an interview from one of their clients again. And other publicity firms would likely not want to deal with you as well for a significant period after you ambushed Greenwald.

So we agree!

We no longer have a critical news media. Which sucks.

101 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 5:16:18am

And we add at least another question to these—what exactly is the “working relationship” between “First Look” and NBC? You know it’s about money.

The 4 Questions Glenn Greenwald and Pierre Omidyar Still Haven’t Answered

thedailybanter.com

I do have to take issue with the 9/11 troofer crap, though in an otherwise decent piece, although it shows the level of Greenwald’s character.

102 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 5:24:06am

So, did the money for “First Look” come from Omidyar’s “philanthropic” arm?

ABOUT OMIDYAR NETWORK
Omidyar Network is a philanthropic investment firm dedicated to harnessing the power of markets to create opportunity for people to improve their lives. Established in 2004 by eBay founder Pierre Omidyar and his wife Pam, the organization invests in and helps scale innovative organizations to catalyze economic and social change. Omidyar Network has committed more than $688 million to for-profit companies and non-profit organizations that foster economic advancement and encourage individual participation across multiple initiatives, including Consumer Internet & Mobile, Education, Financial Inclusion, Government Transparency, and Property Rights. To learn more, visit omidyar.com. (my emphasis)

It certainly would fall under the description therein if you want to stretch it a bit.

103 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 5:25:35am

re: #100 ObserverArt

So we agree!

We no longer have a critical news media. Which sucks.

No, there are still outlets that might go after Greenwald. But those don’t use their news division for publicity interviews, which NBC has been doing for longer than I’ve been alive.

But dealing with Glenn Greenwald likely wasn’t too hard for Lester Holt. He used to work for CBS’ Chicago affiliate, and Chicago reporters have to deal with all kinds of slimy characters, many of whom are part of the city government.

104 A Mom Anon  May 17, 2014 5:34:40am

re: #85 Justanotherhuman

My son really liked this band. He was disgusted not just by this whole mess but the comments on some of the metal sites were just horribly nasty and sexist. Mostly it boiled down to “what did she do to him to force him to do such awful things?” and a lot of crap about her not letting him see the kids being a prime motivator. Gee, I can’t imagine why she might not want this guy alone with the kids for any reason at all, can you? I doubt he just sort of snapped one afternoon and hired a hit man because she hid the TV remote. I just hope she gets somewhere safe and stays away from this crazy bastard. (added: And his some of his messed up fans. Yipes)

105 BongCrodny  May 17, 2014 5:41:03am

re: #44 Gus

I haz gone shopping with Colorado’s new law today finally. :D

My address is…

106 A Mom Anon  May 17, 2014 5:41:05am

I think we’re going to take advantage of the cooler temps and take the Harley out for a ride. BBL.

107 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 5:44:12am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

I’m not so sure you would, given the consequences if you did. If your interviewer just tore into Greenwald, even fully honestly, then his publicity firm would blacklist your publication. You’d likely never get an interview from one of their clients again. And other publicity firms would likely not want to deal with you as well for a significant period after you ambushed Greenwald.

I don’t think you know me well enough to make that call. I would make sure my reporter had researched enough to ask tough, honest questions, not “What was it like being the center of international intrigue?” Greenwald slags on Tim Russert, for example, for being a toady to the powerful. He complains about the complicity of the media in the agenda of the national security state. If he wants an adversarial press, then that’s a two-way street.

Also, fuck the publicity firms. Greenwald, as a “journalist” should be willing and able to handle tough questions.

And, fwiw, I wouldn’t be ambushing anyone. I’m not particularly a fan of the “60 Minutes” style of doing that. I would, however, make clear to GG that the interview would not be softball questions.

If he wanted to back out at that point, I’d write about that too.

The problem with what you’re saying is that such PR hackery is exactly what neuters the press we have now. It’s why senior government officials can give juicy quotes to reporters and be recorded as “a source close to the president.” It’s bullshit, and I think people would support an outlet that didn’t play those games. I.F. Stone seemed to make a decent career out of it.

108 Amory Blaine  May 17, 2014 5:46:44am

This sits in my den. I’m so jelly of you highlanders and your stores and what not.

Works like a champ every time. I use turkey basting bags, they re a little more durable but heavier too which meansyou have to gently guide it occasionally until it fills. I like painting smilies and shit on the bags for added whimsy.

109 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 5:47:11am

re: #107 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I don’t think you know me well enough to make that call. I would make sure my reporter had researched enough to ask tough, honest questions, not “What was it like being the center of international intrigue?” Greenwald slags on Tim Russert, for example, for being a toady to the powerful. He complains about the complicity of the media in the agenda of the national security state. If he wants an adversarial press, then that’s a two-way street.

Also, fuck the publicity firms. Greenwald, as a “journalist” should be willing and able to handle tough questions.

And, fwiw, I wouldn’t be ambushing anyone. I’m not particularly a fan of the “60 Minutes” style of doing that. I would, however, make clear to GG that the interview would not be softball questions.

If he wanted to back out at that point, I’d write about that too.

The problem with what you’re saying is that such PR hackery is exactly what neuters the press we have now. It’s why senior government officials can give juicy quotes to reporters and be recorded as “a source close to the president.” It’s bullshit, and I think people would support an outlet that didn’t play those games. I.F. Stone seemed to make a decent career out of it.

the public might support it, but media and government elites would freeze such an organization out.

110 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 5:47:11am

To add to my comment above, I’m talking about a hypothetical here. And if we want a better media, then we need someone in a position of leadership somewhere to actually drive the money changers (PR flacks) out of at least one particular media outlet as a start.

111 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 5:49:11am

This is a very interesting piece, even if it is Sibel Edmond’s joint.

BFP Exclusive: And an Oligarch Shall Lead Them: Omidyar, Greenwald & First Look Media’s Attack on the Future of the Press

“To help provide context to what appears to be a dubious conflation of journalistic ethics and legalities, I sought the opinion of civil rights attorney Stanley L. Cohen, whose penchant for defending activists spans some three decades, ranging anywhere from the IRA to Hamas.

“Every time a journalist raises these arguments about—‘Oh, I’ve got agreements’ and ‘I’ve cut deals’—it is a blow against all journalists,” says Cohen, “because ultimately what protects the journalist from government over-reaching is the journalist’s privilege.

“The intent behind the journalist’s privilege is not that a journalist is going to exercise discretion to decide what he or she thinks is in the public’s best interest, but is designed to facilitate the free-flow of information from a source to an intermediary who performs the function of keeping the public in the know, the loop; informed. It doesn’t contemplate this kind of unique vetting, self-censorship, and selection process that seems to give such strength to Mr. Greenwald.”

- See more at: boilingfrogspost.com

112 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 5:55:57am

re: #110 Rev_Arthur_Belling

To add to my comment above, I’m talking about a hypothetical here. And if we want a better media, then we need someone in a position of leadership somewhere to actually drive the money changers (PR flacks) out of at least one particular media outlet as a start.

I like what Stanley Cohen says about GG in the article linked above.

“He’s positioned himself very nicely,” Cohen concedes. “Greenwald apparently tries to be all things to all people. The real problem is he’s not only done damage to the journalist’s privilege, he’s also violating legal privilege. He picks and chooses what is all too convenient at various crossroads.

“I think there’s also some very serious confusion floating around here, because I heard people talk about—‘Well, he’s a lawyer.’ Well, he may be a lawyer, but Snowden is not his client. Greenwald needs to decide who the fuck he is. If he’s a lawyer, let him start practicing law. If he’s an agent, let him start making movies and get on with his life. If he’s a journalist, he needs to stop deciding what is in the best interest of the public’s right to know.”

Snowden would have done well to pick Cohen, not Greenwald, as he person he turned to after his crime. Although you can’t convince someone who wants glory to do differently.
- See more at: boilingfrogspost.com

113 kirkspencer  May 17, 2014 5:55:59am

re: #108 Amory Blaine

This sits in my den. I’m so jelly of you highlanders and your stores and what not.[Embedded image]

Works like a champ every time. I use turkey basting bags, they re a little more durable but heavier too which meansyou have to gently guide it occasionally until it fills. I like painting smilies and shit on the bags for added whimsy.

I know I’m still early on my first cup of coffee, but I have no clue what that is.

(and when it turns out to be a duh moment, well, consider that said too. //)

114 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 6:02:56am

re: #112 Justanotherhuman

Thanks for the link. Reading it over my next cup of coffee. :)

GG has no training as a journalist. He’s basically inventing an ethical framework as he goes along, one that suits his own interests exclusively. But that’s not the way journalism ethics works.

I’m sort of disappointed how many actually intelligent journalism professionals and academics (I’m looking at you, Jay Rosen) have gone along with GG’s “reinvention” of journalism.

115 BongCrodny  May 17, 2014 6:02:58am

re: #41 freetoken

Spouse of twice-failed Republican US Senate candidate loses $350 million in one day:

WWE CEO Vince McMahon No Longer Billionaire After Losing $350 Million In A Day

The 1% of the 1% had a bad day.

There’s a lot of dead bodies that have propped up the WWE over the years.

We owe the people of Connecticut a debt of gratitude for twice rejecting McMahon’s wife.

I’m not intimating that McMahon was personally responsible for anything any wrestler chose to put in his body, but he sure knew how to take advantage of fame-starved kids. The number of wrestlers who have died twenty, thirty years before their time is staggering.

I’d love to see him lose the whole thing.

116 Amory Blaine  May 17, 2014 6:04:45am

re: #113 kirkspencer

It’s an *ahem* herbal vaporizer.

117 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 6:07:12am

re: #114 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Thanks for the link. Reading it over my next cup of coffee. :)

GG has no training as a journalist. He’s basically inventing an ethical framework as he goes along, one that suits his own interests exclusively. But that’s not the way journalism ethics works.

I’m sort of disappointed how many actually intelligent journalism professionals and academics (I’m looking at you, Jay Rosen) have gone along with GG’s “reinvention” of journalism.

Glenn Greenwald doesn’t care about ethics. He just squawks the word at times and puts up some pretend rules to sell himself as being something other than a selfish asshole.

118 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 6:10:15am

The “anti” arguments sound like those made against birth control pills because sluts.

In US, gay men clash over HIV prevention pill

uk.news.yahoo.com

“A single daily pill may help prevent HIV. And in America, gay men who have lost countless loved ones to AIDS can’t stop fighting about it.

“Much of the debate has played out on the Internet and social media as tempers flare over promiscuity, erratic condom use and the potential to either eliminate or worsen the stubborn HIV/AIDS epidemic, which has killed 36 million people worldwide in the past three decades.

“The drug in question is Truvada, an oblong blue pill that combines two antiretroviral medications — tenofovir and emtricitabine.” More

119 Amory Blaine  May 17, 2014 6:16:35am

The dream is to build an appliance garage with an electrical outlet for it in my den.

120 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 6:19:08am

re: #112 Justanotherhuman

Just finished reading the link, and I really wish Greenwald would stop calling himself a journalist and just call himself what he is: an activist-provocateur.

121 Amory Blaine  May 17, 2014 6:20:33am

Someone should bring a drool cup when they debate GG.

122 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 6:25:02am

Wow! Everyone supposed someone in government would eventually come out and call President Obama a Ni-CLANG. Looks like we have a winner:

In the almost all-white town of Wolfeboro, N.H., resident Jane O’Toole was in a restaurant in March when, she says, she overheard the police commissioner use the n-word. She wrote the town manager about the language.

Wolfeboro Police Commissioner Robert Copeland wrote her back acknowledging that he’d called the president the n-word and adding that he had no intention of apologizing.

“I believe I did use the ‘N’ word in reference to the current occupant of the Whitehouse [sic],” Copeland wrote in the email, the Associated Press reports. “For this, I do not apologize—he meets and exceeds my criteria for such.”

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123 FemNaziBitch  May 17, 2014 6:27:33am

re: #118 Justanotherhuman

The “anti” arguments sound like those made against birth control pills because sluts.

In US, gay men clash over HIV prevention pill

uk.news.yahoo.com

“A single daily pill may help prevent HIV. And in America, gay men who have lost countless loved ones to AIDS can’t stop fighting about it.

“Much of the debate has played out on the Internet and social media as tempers flare over promiscuity, erratic condom use and the potential to either eliminate or worsen the stubborn HIV/AIDS epidemic, which has killed 36 million people worldwide in the past three decades.

“The drug in question is Truvada, an oblong blue pill that combines two antiretroviral medications — tenofovir and emtricitabine.” More

arbitrary morals over practicality.

I’m so tired of it.

124 FemNaziBitch  May 17, 2014 6:30:47am

So far, it’s not too bad in my part of the world today. Sun is out, yet the birds are rather quiet. hmmm. That is strange.

NO allergy report yet.

125 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 6:30:59am

re: #120 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Journalism is a discipline which can be learned or experienced. Greenwald has done neither, and I agree with what you said. He is a polemicist by nature, and his training as a debater (just an extension of his lawyering/advocacy). He won’t ever be “objective” in the true meaning of what journalism is supposed to be.

I don’t call myself a journalist, and wouldn’t, even if I had my own site. Just because I worked on the 9th grade school paper and was an editor in college doesn’t make me a journalist by any means. Journalists put in long hours, most of the time with little reward, don’t appear on TV shilling their own writing, and don’t actively seek the limelight. A real journalist is not a “TV personality” IMHO.

OTOH, I think I have more of an understanding of journalistic ethics than GG does, even if I did learn them in the 9th grade. : )

126 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 6:34:12am

re: #122 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Wow! Everyone supposed someone in government would eventually come out and call President Obama a Ni-CLANG. Looks like we have a winner:

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One of a panel of three in a medium-sized town. He’s not very important and the town is already looking into his removal. People might not have noticed except that Wolfeboro was a frequent dateline in the 2012 presidential election, as Mitt Romney has a summer home near there and held a number of events in the town during the run-up to the New Hampshire primary.

127 Killgore Trout  May 17, 2014 6:34:20am

re: #44 Gus

I haz gone shopping with Colorado’s new law today finally. :D

Congratulations! I have a couple shops within a few blocks but Oregon still has the “medical” pretense to our laws so shops are limited how much they can talk to people without cards. It’s still neat to go in and see what’s going on. A few new bars have opened close to me and already there’s been problems with drunks walking through the neighborhood being loud douches late at night. I’d much rather have the pot shops, they make much better neighbors.

128 FemNaziBitch  May 17, 2014 6:39:16am

Ha!

129 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 6:39:37am

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

One of a panel of three in a medium-sized town. He’s not very important and the town is already looking into his removal. People might not have noticed except that Wolfeboro was a frequent dateline in the 2012 presidential election, as Mitt Romney has a summer home near there and held a number of events in the town during the run-up to the New Hampshire primary.

All that having been said, this asshole needs to be made an example of. American Political parties need a way to read someone out of them, thus barring that person from claiming affiliation with them or running on their nomination.

130 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 6:41:29am

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

One of a panel of three in a medium-sized town. He’s not very important and the town is already looking into his removal. People might not have noticed except that Wolfeboro was a frequent dateline in the 2012 presidential election, as Mitt Romney has a summer home near there and held a number of events in the town during the run-up to the New Hampshire primary.

Not very important. Right.

As commissioner, Copeland is responsible for hiring, firing and disciplining officers in the town of Wolfeboro

Sure, Wolfeboro isn’t a big town (6,300 pop. according to the article), but this is an elected official, one who supervises the police force.

131 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 6:44:53am

re: #130 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Not very important. Right.

Sure, Wolfeboro isn’t a big town (6,300 pop. according to the article), but this is an elected official, one who supervises the police force.

He’s one of three commissioners, relevant at the local level but not statewide. Still, he should be removed, as that kind of racism makes one incapable of supervising a police force fairly.

132 wrenchwench  May 17, 2014 6:46:15am

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

He’s one of three commissioners, relevant at the local level but not statewide. Still, he should be removed, as that kind of racism makes one incapable of supervising a police force fairly.

He’s 82. It’s a self-solving problem.

133 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 6:46:58am

re: #132 wrenchwench

He’s 82. It’s a self-solving problem.

Another Donald Sterling.

134 Killgore Trout  May 17, 2014 6:47:07am

New attacks as France hosts summit on Boko Haram threat

As Saturday’s summit began, news of fresh violence emerged.

An attack in northern Cameroon, near the Nigerian border, targeted Chinese workers. In Nigeria, 11 people were reported killed in a separate incident.

In that attack Boko Haram fighters are said to have targeted a village a few hours’ drive from the Cameroonian border on Friday.

A relative of one of the victims said a woman and a child were among the dead.

The attack in the far north of Cameroon occurred at camp run by the Chinese construction company Sinohydro.

Chinese diplomats said 10 people were missing and one person injured. There are reports that one person was killed.

135 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 6:48:55am

re: #125 Justanotherhuman

Journalism is a discipline which can be learned or experienced. Greenwald has done neither, and I agree with what you said. He is a polemicist by nature, and his training as a debater (just an extension of his lawyering/advocacy). He won’t ever be “objective” in the true meaning of what journalism is supposed to be.

I don’t call myself a journalist, and wouldn’t, even if I had my own site. Just because I worked on the 9th grade school paper and was an editor in college doesn’t make me a journalist by any means. Journalists put in long hours, most of the time with little reward, don’t appear on TV shilling their own writing, and don’t actively seek the limelight. A real journalist is not a “TV personality” IMHO.

OTOH, I think I have more of an understanding of journalistic ethics than GG does, even if I did learn them in the 9th grade. : )

Bingo! on the bolded part. A journalist, ideally, lays out the facts, organizes them and tries to connect the dots so that the readers can draw their own conclusions. His or her prose is ideally supposed to be neutral, partly for ethical and professional reasons and partly to avoid potential libel suits. Editors are there to make sure the articles in question meet these standards before they go to press. And corporate lawyers are often consulted, too. It’s a group effort, in other words. It’s also time consuming and at times mind-numbingly dull, because every quote and every fact has to be (ideally) double- and triple-checked before the article is published.

I did this for a living for a time. So I know.

Compare this situation with Greenwald’s MO. He’s got a treasure trove of documents that were basically dropped in his lap — an Exclusive! Were he working for a real media outlet, his editors would make sure he followed best practices before anything went to press. But he isn’t. He’s a one-man show — writer, reporter, editor, publicist — with an axe to grind. No one is looking over his shoulder to vet his stuff, and if anyone dared, he’d probably ignore and fire them. Based on what I’ve read, Julian Assange is a similar character. They both believe they are above all those petty rules about professional responsibility. Assange and Wikileaks at least just releases shit, and let’s others figure out what it’s all about. Greenwald has appointed himself the keymaster and the gatekeeper for everything Snowden gave him. He’s also the principal benefactor, because he can dribble those documents out for the next several years, making dough off of them.

Sooner or later, his dudebro fans are going to realize Greenwald is playing them for fools. He’s not a journalist, or a whistleblower, or someone who believes that information should be free. Wikileaks would have released all of Snowden’s shit all at once, or in several large blocks. Greenwald won’t. He’s only in this for his own self-aggrandisement.

136 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 6:50:15am

re: #132 wrenchwench

He’s 82. It’s a self-solving problem.

That solution is not one that can be waited for in his case. Once the n-word has been spewed by an elected official who is not him or herself black, then that official must be hounded from office.

137 wrenchwench  May 17, 2014 6:50:22am

Racism in the private sector.

One of nation’s largest hospital healthcare service companies fired the interim CEO of one of its Texas-based hospital systems after he made racially charged remarks about Latinos during an employee meeting.

Community Health Systems, the parent company of Sparks Health System, quickly dismissed interim CEO Tim Schmidt this week after he uttered startling comments in front of about 125 hospital employees.

During a question-and-answer session, Schmidt was asked why he wanted to move the company from Laredo, Texas, to Fort Smith, Arkansas.

“Have you ever been to Laredo, Texas?” said Schmidt, according to The City Wire, a local website that covers northern Arkansas. “It’s 97 percent Hispanic.”

[…]

The poor asshole used to work in NM.

138 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 6:50:45am

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Getting the Chinese pissed off is not a good idea.

139 BongCrodny  May 17, 2014 6:51:27am

re: #130 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Not very important. Right.

Sure, Wolfeboro isn’t a big town (6,300 pop. according to the article), but this is an elected official, one who supervises the police force.

Not too far off (in distance and in similarity) from the thing that happened in Sabattus, Maine last year — the town selectman(?) who posted “Shoot the ******” on a picture of Obama at Facebook.

Just another pathetic old white asshole unable to cope with the changes going on around him.

140 wrenchwench  May 17, 2014 6:51:54am

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

That solution is not one that can be waited for in his case. Once the n-word has been spewed by an elected official who is not him or herself black, then that official must be hounded from office.

As long as there is plenty of loud criticism, I don’t care whether he leaves office or not. Leave him up there to catch the pies.

141 Skip Intro  May 17, 2014 6:55:03am

re: #133 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Another Donald Sterling.

There are so many of them and unfortunately they’re not all 80 years old.

142 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 6:55:30am

re: #128 FemNaziBitch

Ha!

Thanks! Found this at that site, too. : )

This is how you put someone in their place…

quickmeme.com

143 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 6:55:43am

re: #137 wrenchwench

Racism in the private sector.

The poor asshole used to work in NM.

Then he’s not too bright. There’s a lot of Hispanic people in the Southwest, ‘cause, you know, they were there before the rest of Europe showed up. Also, Mexico is just on the other side of the river.

And, there’s Hispanic people in Arkansas, too. Oh noes!!! //

144 wrenchwench  May 17, 2014 6:56:32am

bbl

145 FemNaziBitch  May 17, 2014 6:58:24am

re: #142 Justanotherhuman

Thanks! Found this at that site, too. : )

This is how you put someone in their place…

quickmeme.com

excellent!

146 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 6:58:55am

re: #135 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Bingo! on the bolded part. A journalist, ideally, lays out the facts, organizes them and tries to connect the dots so that the readers can draw their own conclusions. His or her prose is ideally supposed to be neutral, partly for ethical and professional reasons and partly to avoid potential libel suits. Editors are there to make sure the articles in question meet these standards before they go to press. And corporate lawyers are often consulted, too. It’s a group effort, in other words. It’s also time consuming and at times mind-numbingly dull, because every quote and every fact has to be (ideally) double- and triple-checked before the article is published.

I did this for a living for a time. So I know.

Compare this situation with Greenwald’s MO. He’s got a treasure trove of documents that were basically dropped in his lap — an Exclusive! Were he working for a real media outlet, his editors would make sure he followed best practices before anything went to press. But he isn’t. He’s a one-man show — writer, reporter, editor, publicist — with an axe to grind. No one is looking over his shoulder to vet his stuff, and if anyone dared, he’d probably ignore and fire them. Based on what I’ve read, Julian Assange is a similar character. They both believe they are above all those petty rules about professional responsibility. Assange and Wikileaks at least just releases shit, and let’s others figure out what it’s all about. Greenwald has appointed himself the keymaster and the gatekeeper for everything Snowden gave him. He’s also the principal benefactor, because he can dribble those documents out for the next several years, making dough off of them.

Sooner or later, his dudebro fans are going to realize Greenwald is playing them for fools. He’s not a journalist, or a whistleblower, or someone who believes that information should be free. Wikileaks would have released all of Snowden’s shit all at once, or in several large blocks. Greenwald won’t. He’s only in this for his own self-aggrandisement.

It’s really the “god” complex, writ large. : )

147 Skip Intro  May 17, 2014 6:59:29am

re: #133 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Another Donald Sterling.

Speaking of Sterling, he’s having none of the punishment by the NBA. The fine, the ban, none of it. He’s going to sue, sue, sue.

Too bad the Clippers season is over because I’d love to see the reception he’d receive when he showed up to another game.

148 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 6:59:51am

re: #146 Justanotherhuman

Glenn Godwald

149 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 7:00:18am

re: #148 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Glenn Godwald

Oh shit! Tweet that!

150 FemNaziBitch  May 17, 2014 7:01:05am
In general, the United States needs to pay more attention to its younger citizens and less to its seniors, who are consuming too much in the way of resources. As Marian Wright Edelman, head of the Children’s Defense Fund, has put it, we’re “eating our seed corn.” If we don’t do more to prepare youngsters for the workforce, the economy cannot grow. We will doom ourselves to a less prosperous future.

Before we can do any of those things, though, we need to understand what we’re up against. The standard Republican mantra — “lower taxes, less spending” — won’t get us anywhere. Democrats have a better idea in raising the minimum wage, but that hardly helps the larger economic problems. Neither party has yet understood how much the world has changed.

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151 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 7:02:36am

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

Oh shit! Tweet that!

China blocks Twitter, but I’ll give a go from my phone. Android seems to work better than Windoze in climbing over the Great Firewall.

152 darthstar  May 17, 2014 7:09:01am
153 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 7:11:02am

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

Oh shit! Tweet that!

I have done it. And may god have mercy on my soul. I await the shitstorm that the Great Firewall will block. Muhahaha!

Nope. My VPN isn’t working so well right now. GGodwald is safe from my mighty Snark for the time being. If someone else can do the honors, be my guest.

154 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 7:12:14am

re: #150 FemNaziBitch

<blockquote>In general, the United States needs to pay more attention to its younger citizens and less to its seniors, who are consuming too much in the way of resources. As Marian Wright Edelman, head of the Children’s Defense Fund, has put it, we’re “eating our seed corn.” If we don’t do more to prepare youngsters for the workforce, the economy cannot grow. We will doom ourselves to a less prosperous future.

Before we can do any of those things, though, we need to understand what we’re up against. The standard Republican mantra — “lower taxes, less spending” — won’t get us anywhere. Democrats have a better idea in raising the minimum wage, but that hardly helps the larger economic problems. Neither party has yet understood how much the world has changed.

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I’m not so sure I take Edelman seriously. She made some pretty dire predictions when she left government service back in 1996 in protest of Bill Clinton signing welfare reform. Her doom-saying proved off the mark, as such talk normally does.

And moreover, because seniors vote far more often than those under 30 politicians quite naturally pay more attention to them. If you’re an adult and you don’t vote, then you simply don’t matter politically (except perhaps if you are seen as a problem by someone else).

155 Killgore Trout  May 17, 2014 7:12:18am

re: #138 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Getting the Chinese pissed off is not a good idea.

I don’t know if the Chinese are going to become major players in this. I’d be more worried about the French who have a couple thousand troops in the region. I am getting worried about how this is going to play out. Everybody has, at least publically, said no to ransom or prisoner swaps. That leaves us with the only option of a rescue. Nigerian forces are terrible (even tried to assassinate one of their own commanders last week). US and UK don’t seem interested in lending a rescue team. The French or the Israelis might do it but I’m not sure if they’d make that public information. If this is left to Nigerian troops for the rescue it could be a bloodbath for all involved. I don’t think that’s wise.

156 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 7:12:59am

re: #147 Skip Intro

Speaking of Sterling, he’s having none of the punishment by the NBA. The fine, the ban, none of it. He’s going to sue, sue, sue.

Too bad the Clippers season is over because I’d love to see the reception he’d receive when he showed up to another game.

He’s going to sue and he’ll still end up paying the fines, remain banned and have to sell the team. From what I read of the NBA constitution, owners sign that by agreeing to the terms, they agree that the NBA’s rulings are final and waive their rights to pursue court cases.

I know that doesn’t always end up making or breaking a case (and IANAL), but pro sports leagues have pretty wide leeway in dealing with internal matters.

The more interesting case, to me, will be his wife, who wants to keep her ownership share. Apparently, she’s a pretty vile person herself.

157 Dr Lizardo  May 17, 2014 7:13:10am

re: #152 darthstar

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Didn’t that happen in 2010: Odyssey Two?

Better start checking for monoliths. :)

158 darthstar  May 17, 2014 7:13:58am
159 Targetpractice  May 17, 2014 7:14:29am

re: #157 Dr Lizardo

Didn’t that happen in 2010: Odyssey Two?

Better start checking for monoliths. :)

I believe we’re getting a message now…

“All these worlds are yours except Europa. Attempt no landings there.”

160 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 7:14:59am

re: #150 FemNaziBitch

<blockquote>In general, the United States needs to pay more attention to its younger citizens and less to its seniors, who are consuming too much in the way of resources. As Marian Wright Edelman, head of the Children’s Defense Fund, has put it, we’re “eating our seed corn.” If we don’t do more to prepare youngsters for the workforce, the economy cannot grow. We will doom ourselves to a less prosperous future.

Before we can do any of those things, though, we need to understand what we’re up against. The standard Republican mantra — “lower taxes, less spending” — won’t get us anywhere. Democrats have a better idea in raising the minimum wage, but that hardly helps the larger economic problems. Neither party has yet understood how much the world has changed.

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While I agree overall with this assessment, much of the fault in medicine lies with the establishment itself. I don’t over-use medical care; in fact, I try to limit my dr visits to 2 per yr (although they want to see me more). I don’t request any tests other than routine blood to check sugar and cholesterol levels (although nothing is taking my cholesterol down—it’s a genetic problem).

But I consider myself an educated consumer of medical care and pay attention to my own body and health—most aren’t and don’t, and defer to the health care establishment.—“do something to make me feel better!” whether it’s tests, pills or frequent dr visits.

Those who don’t think they need an “education” because they’re not working in a “suit” are sadly mistaken. Education takes many forms, and consumer education should be right up there at the top of the list, along with other subjects that pertain to our daily lives, such as healthy eating and habits.

161 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 7:15:16am

re: #153 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I have done it. And may god have mercy on my soul. I await the shitstorm that the Great Firewall will block. Muhahaha!

162 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 7:16:41am

re: #155 Killgore Trout

I don’t know if the Chinese are going to become major players in this. I’d be more worried about the French who have a couple thousand troops in the region. I am getting worried about how this is going to play out. Everybody has, at least publically, said no to ransom or prisoner swaps. That leaves us with the only option of a rescue. Nigerian forces are terrible (even tried to assassinate one of their own commanders last week). US and UK don’t seem interested in lending a rescue team. The French or the Israelis might do it but I’m not sure if they’d make that public information. If this is left to Nigerian troops for the rescue it could be a bloodbath for all involved. I don’t think that’s wise.

China may not involve its military, but it can exert financial pressure on business and political leaders. China is a heavy investor in Africa now. If the locals can’t protect Chinese nationals, then China will do the protecting.

163 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 7:16:53am

re: #150 FemNaziBitch

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

I don’t see why we can’t do both. The problem is the IGMFU mindset, particularly among seniors and glibertarian/conservatives who think paying taxes to support public schools is an injustice.

164 darthstar  May 17, 2014 7:17:11am

So American Spring was sabotaged from within…an inside job!

165 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 7:17:32am

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

Thanks. My tweet never entered the Twitterverse.

166 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 7:17:37am

re: #156 Rev_Arthur_Belling

He’s going to sue and he’ll still end up paying the fines, remain banned and have to sell the team. From what I read of the NBA constitution, owners sign that by agreeing to the terms, they agree that the NBA’s rulings are final and waive their rights to pursue court cases.

I know that doesn’t always end up making or breaking a case (and IANAL), but pro sports leagues have pretty wide leeway in dealing with internal matters.

The more interesting case, to me, will be his wife, who wants to keep her ownership share. Apparently, she’s a pretty vile person herself.

I think he’ll have to pay the fines, but there’s good chance in my read of the case that a court may side with him in that trying to force him to sell the team is a violation of his rights under the 5th and 14th Amendments.

167 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 7:19:11am

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

Commercial and contractual law may be in play in this case.

168 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 7:19:18am

re: #164 darthstar

So American Spring was sabotaged from within…an inside job!

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169 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 7:21:45am

re: #167 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Commercial and contractual law may be in play in this case.

Possibly, but I feel sure in saying Sterling’s suit will at least survive summary judgement. Of course, that may make things worse for him, since then the case moves into Discovery, which might turn up even more instances of racism from him.

170 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 7:21:46am

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

The revolution will not be televised … because the revolutionaries all stayed home to watch it on TV.

171 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 7:22:24am

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

I think he’ll have to pay the fines, but there’s good chance in my read of the case that a court may side with him in that trying to force him to sell the team is a violation of his rights under the 5th and 14th Amendments.

It will be the first time this has happened in the NBA, but there is a mechanism in the bylaws that provides for the removal of a team. It’s a franchise, which people seem to forget. If he owned a McDonalds franchise and McD’s decided to strip him of the franchise for similar issues, nobody would bat an eye.

172 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 7:23:46am

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

Possibly, but I feel sure in saying Sterling’s suit will at least survive summary judgement. Of course, that may make things worse for him, since then the case moves into Discovery, which might turn up even more instances of racism from him.

Apparently, as Deadspin noted, everything Sterling has said to anyone over the last month has been recorded, and people are trying to sell more audio. So there’s probably a metric shit ton of bad stuff awaiting discovery.

173 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 7:23:49am
174 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 7:24:53am

re: #171 Rev_Arthur_Belling

It will be the first time this has happened in the NBA, but there is a mechanism in the bylaws that provides for the removal of a team. It’s a franchise, which people seem to forget. If he owned a McDonalds franchise and McD’s decided to strip him of the franchise for similar issues, nobody would bat an eye.

Franchisees have to follow pretty strict rules if they expect to keep their franchises. MickeyD and all other franchisers have a brand to protect, which they will do swiftly and without much warning.

175 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 7:25:33am

re: #162 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

China may not involve its military, but it can exert financial pressure on business and political leaders. China is a heavy investor in Africa now. If the locals can’t protect Chinese nationals, then China will do the protecting.

UK Foreign Secretary William Hague says there is a strong common purpose from 5 African presidents today at summit in Paris where Boko Haram and other topics were discussed - @WilliamJHague
see original on twitter.com

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French President Francois Hollande says Boko Haram is now a threat to west and central Africa; has proven links with al-Qaida - @Reuters
End of alert

176 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 7:26:44am

re: #171 Rev_Arthur_Belling

It will be the first time this has happened in the NBA, but there is a mechanism in the bylaws that provides for the removal of a team. It’s a franchise, which people seem to forget. If he owned a McDonalds franchise and McD’s decided to strip him of the franchise for similar issues, nobody would bat an eye.

That’s a bit different, actually. This is more akin to not just ‘pulling his shingle’ , as the expression goes, but to forcing him to sell the restaurant building. Thus the courts may rule that the bylaws are superseded by the Constitution.

177 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 7:30:25am

re: #174 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Franchisees have to follow pretty strict rules if they expect to keep their franchises. MickeyD and all other franchisers have a brand to protect, which they will do swiftly and without much warning.

Exactly, and also why the NBA stepped in so quickly and forcefully against Sterling. 29 billionaires didn’t want 1 other asshole billionaire slowing down their gravy train.

I also find it kind of sad that Kevin Johnson and Michelle Rhee, both of whom seem to be pretty odious people, are somehow mixed up in all this, according to Deadspin and the NYT.

179 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 7:31:12am

This may be an over-estimation of weight, maybe not, but holy crap, that humerus is huge!

‘World’s heaviest’ dinosaur bones discovered in Argentina

bbc.com

“Palaeontologists in Argentina believe they have found bones belonging to the heaviest dinosaur to ever have walked the Earth - which had an estimated body mass of 77 tonnes.

“They found bones belonging to seven individuals from a new species of titanosaur, which has yet to be named - and calculated the approximate size of the largest one by measuring the diameter of the femur and the humerus bones.

“In this video, Dr Diego Pol explains how the measuring process works. A film crew from the BBC Natural History Unit filmed him and Dr Jose Luis Carballido when they measured the femur.”

180 Killgore Trout  May 17, 2014 7:31:24am
A teenager walked into a Pakistani police station on Friday and shot dead a 65-year-old man from a minority sect accused of blasphemy, the second murder involving the country’s controversial blasphemy laws in as many weeks.
181 FemNaziBitch  May 17, 2014 7:31:37am
In April the District of Columbia’s Court of Appeals wisely overturned the lower court’s order, saying that the only factor to be considered was what Mrs. Carder wanted, determined from all available evidence. “The right of bodily integrity,” Judge John A. Perry said, “is not extinguished simply because someone is ill, or even at death’s door.” Meanwhile Angela Carder’s parents, Nettie and Dan Stoner, sued the Medical Center for malpractice and civil rights violations.

1990 decision that a pregnant woman is a human being with civil rights.

182 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 7:32:12am

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

That’s a bit different, actually. This is more akin to not just ‘pulling his shingle’ , as the expression goes, but to forcing him to sell the restaurant building. Thus the courts may rule that the bylaws are superseded by the Constitution.

He doesn’t own the building. He franchises a brand. The Clippers play in the Staples Center. If he wants to run a basketball team outside the league, not using the Clippers name or playing NBA teams, participating in NBA drafts, etc., I’m sure he could do that.

183 ObserverArt  May 17, 2014 7:33:35am

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

the public might support it, but media and government elites would freeze such an organization out.

Well, frozen out is frozen out no matter how it comes about. You are saying play the game with the big media and PR groups and Rev_Belling is saying get tough and be true journalists.

If what you say happens happens we get no answers.

If the Rev does what he wants and the guy walks out we get no answers.

But there is one big difference.

The people watching see the guy being interviewed walks out on Rev and has something to hide and then they wonder about why he didn’t want to answer. So, they are now curious and they start asking questions and they start looking around. At that point the more independent media gets read and/or the PR people have to figure out what they need to do to clear this up and maybe their boy is put back into the interviews, etc.

I think I’d go with the Rev’s approach. I think most people would.

184 darthstar  May 17, 2014 7:35:53am

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

My Gadsden flag was at the cleaner’s.

185 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 7:36:50am

re: #177 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Exactly, and also why the NBA stepped in so quickly and forcefully against Sterling. 29 billionaires didn’t want 1 other asshole billionaire slowing down their gravy train.

I also find it kind of sad that Kevin Johnson and Michelle Rhee, both of whom seem to be pretty odious people, are somehow mixed up in all this, according to Deadspin and the NYT.

Michelle Rhee is one of very few people on my list of people whom I wish never got to be important. Sarah Palin is on it, too. Rhee is coated with Teflon. Despite a sketchy professional background, she’s managed to convince politicians and corporate leaders that She Has All the Answers.

I fart in her general direction.

186 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 7:37:20am

re: #184 darthstar

My Gadsden flag was at the cleaner’s.

And my Hoveround was being repaired.

187 FemNaziBitch  May 17, 2014 7:38:01am

Any input from our Talmudic Scholars?

188 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 7:38:37am

re: #185 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Michelle Rhee is one of very few people on my list of people whom I wish never got to be important. Sarah Palin is on it, too. Rhee is coated with Teflon. Despite a sketchy professional background, she’s managed to convince politicians and corporate leaders that She Has All the Answers.

I fart in her general direction.

Didn’t she pretty much single-handedly fuck up the DC schools?

189 FemNaziBitch  May 17, 2014 7:38:54am

re: #184 darthstar

Don’t Tread on Me

You can borrow mine.

190 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 7:39:56am

re: #188 Justanotherhuman

Didn’t she pretty much single-handedly fuck up the DC schools?

Yup, and walked away to let others take the heat.

191 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 7:41:29am

re: #188 Justanotherhuman
She also once taped the mouths of first graders shut, causing injuries to some, while she was in Teach For America:

In a speech at the Columbia Heights Education Campus in Washington DC, Rhee said that she once put small pieces of masking tape on the children’s mouths so they would be quiet on the way to the lunchroom and that, after removing the tape, skin came off their lips, they were bleeding and she had “thirty-five kids who were crying”.[7][8] Rhee told Washingtonian magazine that she was demoralized by her first year of teaching, but said to herself, “I’m not going to let eight-year-old kids run me out of town”

The very fact that she sort of humblebragged about that episode makes her unfit for any kind of career in education.

192 A Mom Anon  May 17, 2014 7:41:39am

So much for the bike ride, it looks like all hell is gonna break loose with rain in a minute.

So, here’s something to toss out there today… I need help with something.

The No Longer a Teenager got his driver’s license yesterday. Which is seriously cool and totally awesome and we are just busting with pride. It’s a HUGE deal for some people with Asperger’s to learn this skill because you have to push down lots of fear and sensory overload to do it. I cannot even express how proud I am of him, he’s one of the bravest people I’ve ever known.

The issue now becomes auto insurance. He is saving for a car but has a way to go before he has enough to get something safe to drive. Meanwhile, he can drive my car enough to keep his skills sharp when he’s home from vocational rehab school. Does anyone know the best and least expensive way to add him as a driver to our existing policy? He’s 20, and I don’t think the student discounts are going to work here since this isn’t an academic school he’s attending (it’s a school for young adults with learning disabilities, he’s learning basic job and life/social skills with the goal of being an employable human at the end), and I’m kinda scared that if the insurance company figures out he has Asperger’s they won’t insure him. I called them once and the conversation really didn’t make it clear what to do or how much it would cost. We’re in GA, does anyone have any thoughts or ideas about what to do?

193 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 7:41:56am

re: #179 Justanotherhuman

This may be an over-estimation of weight, maybe not, but holy crap, that humerus is huge!

‘World’s heaviest’ dinosaur bones discovered in Argentina

bbc.com

“Palaeontologists in Argentina believe they have found bones belonging to the heaviest dinosaur to ever have walked the Earth - which had an estimated body mass of 77 tonnes.

“They found bones belonging to seven individuals from a new species of titanosaur, which has yet to be named - and calculated the approximate size of the largest one by measuring the diameter of the femur and the humerus bones.

“In this video, Dr Diego Pol explains how the measuring process works. A film crew from the BBC Natural History Unit filmed him and Dr Jose Luis Carballido when they measured the femur.”

Adam would have needed a rope ladder to climb into the saddle on one of those babies!

//

194 FemNaziBitch  May 17, 2014 7:42:56am
195 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 7:44:01am

re: #180 Killgore Trout

Prediction: He’ll get a light sentence, being seen as a “pure yout” who killed to “defend Islam”.

Note: My misspelling of ‘youth’ was deliberate. BBL

196 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 7:44:53am

Get ready…

Report: AT&T to announce acquisition of DirecTV this Sunday, source familiar with the plans tells @BuzzFeed
Read more on buzzfeed.com

197 FemNaziBitch  May 17, 2014 7:45:48am

re: #192 A Mom Anon

So much for the bike ride, it looks like all hell is gonna break loose with rain in a minute.

So, here’s something to toss out there today… I need help with something.

The No Longer a Teenager got his driver’s license yesterday. Which is seriously cool and totally awesome and we are just busting with pride. It’s a HUGE deal for some people with Asperger’s to learn this skill because you have to push down lots of fear and sensory overload to do it. I cannot even express how proud I am of him, he’s one of the bravest people I’ve ever known.

The issue now becomes auto insurance. He is saving for a car but has a way to go before he has enough to get something safe to drive. Meanwhile, he can drive my car enough to keep his skills sharp when he’s home from vocational rehab school. Does anyone know the best and least expensive way to add him as a driver to our existing policy? He’s 20, and I don’t think the student discounts are going to work here since this isn’t an academic school he’s attending (it’s a school for young adults with learning disabilities, he’s learning basic job and life/social skills with the goal of being an employable human at the end), and I’m kinda scared that if the insurance company figures out he has Asperger’s they won’t insure him. I called them once and the conversation really didn’t make it clear what to do or how much it would cost. We’re in GA, does anyone have any thoughts or ideas about what to do?

If the State has granted him a driver’s license I do not think they can discriminate based on a medical diagnosis. If they do, I’d fight it—file a report with the Insurance Board and Attorney General.

I also, do not think they can raise rates because of it.

IIRC, The cheapest way to insure a young man is to buy a beater car and carry the minimum insurance on it. After Liabiity, the greats cost is for Collision coverage. So go without coverage for the vehicle itself.

198 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 17, 2014 7:48:04am

re: #197 FemNaziBitch

Agree about the coverage. Get minimum liability for him. Not sure how that works with regards to adding him to your policy. Check and see how much it would be to have a policy in his name with liability, against how much it would cost to add him to yours.

Seems there would be some way to calculate those online, depending on your ins. company.

199 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 7:49:25am

re: #191 Rev_Arthur_Belling

She also once taped the mouths of first graders shut, causing injuries to some, while she was in Teach For America:

The very fact that she sort of humblebragged about that episode makes her unfit for any kind of career in education.

She taught in inner city schools for three years, then started her own non-profit to train teachers, which she ran for 10 years. Somehow she ended up as chancellor of the DC schools soon afterward. She’d never run a school, much less a school district, before.

I’d say more, but I’ll just get more angry, so I’ll just shut up.

200 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 7:50:26am

re: #192 A Mom Anon

So much for the bike ride, it looks like all hell is gonna break loose with rain in a minute.

So, here’s something to toss out there today… I need help with something.

The No Longer a Teenager got his driver’s license yesterday. Which is seriously cool and totally awesome and we are just busting with pride. It’s a HUGE deal for some people with Asperger’s to learn this skill because you have to push down lots of fear and sensory overload to do it. I cannot even express how proud I am of him, he’s one of the bravest people I’ve ever known.

The issue now becomes auto insurance. He is saving for a car but has a way to go before he has enough to get something safe to drive. Meanwhile, he can drive my car enough to keep his skills sharp when he’s home from vocational rehab school. Does anyone know the best and least expensive way to add him as a driver to our existing policy? He’s 20, and I don’t think the student discounts are going to work here since this isn’t an academic school he’s attending (it’s a school for young adults with learning disabilities, he’s learning basic job and life/social skills with the goal of being an employable human at the end), and I’m kinda scared that if the insurance company figures out he has Asperger’s they won’t insure him. I called them once and the conversation really didn’t make it clear what to do or how much it would cost. We’re in GA, does anyone have any thoughts or ideas about what to do?

Flo will know!

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201 A Mom Anon  May 17, 2014 7:51:11am

re: #197 FemNaziBitch

I can’t afford a third car, even a clunker. We are literally living paycheck to paycheck right now. I’m hoping that changes soon, but for now, it’s not happening. We’re looking at maybe selling off the bike, but that’s a hard sell for The Husband, you know how guys are about stuff like this sometimes. He worked really hard for years to afford it, and now he may have to give it up. If the bike goes, then this will be less of an issue, but for now, I have to figure something else out. I can’t tell the kid he can’t drive after he worked so hard to get a license. Ack.

202 kirkspencer  May 17, 2014 7:51:23am

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

That’s a bit different, actually. This is more akin to not just ‘pulling his shingle’ , as the expression goes, but to forcing him to sell the restaurant building. Thus the courts may rule that the bylaws are superseded by the Constitution.

No, it’s not and it’s unlikely they will.

Not at all on the 5th. That’s wholly “state”, so it’s the same case as trying to argue Charles can’t ban people on LGF.

On the 14th there’s a gap. In the 1960s the supreme court ruled that private agencies can be state like actors in cases involving denials of privileges or immunities, due process, and equal protection of the laws. BUT, and it’s a big one, there must be a perception that the state is involved - that the state controls or could control but is delegating the private agency. (Easy example: private prisons.) State regulation of the industry or agency is insufficient.

I think that because franchise law is pretty solid in regard to eviction of franchisees that Sterling’s case will receive summary dismissal. But because there’s a narrow chance of the 14th applying it may get a hearing. If it does I still think his chances of winning are very, very small. He’s used to winning by throwing a lot of money, but the other guys have as much or more.

203 ObserverArt  May 17, 2014 7:52:16am

re: #135 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Bingo!

-cut-

Sooner or later, his dudebro fans are going to realize Greenwald is playing them for fools. He’s not a journalist, or a whistleblower, or someone who believes that information should be free. Wikileaks would have released all of Snowden’s shit all at once, or in several large blocks. Greenwald won’t. He’s only in this for his own self-aggrandisement.

Well, with his parade around major media this week, they should start seeing that he isn’t the super-hero fighting the man they think he is. It is pretty clear the book is way more important than a crusade to stave off spying into personal digital info.

But, somehow I don’t think they will. That is what really gets me about the world around us as far as media. It really does seem that the “initial report” sticks. People hear Snowden is a hero for fighting for their privacy. They hear Snowden chose Greenwald as the trusted journalist that is protecting Snowden and is the go-between. And they buy in. They buy the whole image and almost treat it all as a poster they hang on the wall and can look at as their heroes, someone to admire.

Along comes stuff that should indicate the “initial reports” were way off, Snowden may well be a snake. Greenwald is out selling a book while also selling Snowden down the river. It’s all about the money, the stature, the power…personal security be damned.

But they have that poster, and no matter what, those guys are my heroes.

I think Greenwald is smart enough to know he has framed this whole thing with a whole bunch of dudebros that will buy more posters and more books.

204 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 7:55:53am

re: #203 ObserverArt

I dunno. Sooner or later, GG’s house of cards is going to fall down. Either he’s going to blunder bad with his publications, or he’s going to piss off some rich, important dudebro.

205 ObserverArt  May 17, 2014 7:56:05am

re: #148 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Glenn Godwald

Maybe not a god…but…

(came up with this the other night, I figure it is usable a lot when referring to the Patron Saint to All Dudebros)

Patron Saint to DudeBros Everywhere.

206 Skip Intro  May 17, 2014 7:56:45am

re: #156 Rev_Arthur_Belling

The more interesting case, to me, will be his wife, who wants to keep her ownership share. Apparently, she’s a pretty vile person herself.

I’d assume that after 57 years of marriage she and her husband must have some things in common.

What always gets me about people like the Sterlings is their total lack of embarrassment when their behavior becomes public. In their case, no embarrassment at all, even by the wife who gets to see her husband taking his bimbos to public events.

207 Feline Fearless Leader  May 17, 2014 7:58:27am

re: #203 ObserverArt

But, somehow I don’t think they will. That is what really gets me about the world around us as far as media. It really does seem that the “initial report” sticks. People hear Snowden is a hero for fighting for their privacy. They hear Snowden chose Greenwald as the trusted journalist that is protecting Snowden and is the go-between. And they buy in. They buy the whole image and almost treat it all as a poster they hang on the wall and can look at as their heroes, someone to admire.
(snip)

It appears to be difficult for groups of humans to admit they were wrong - especially in front of a group of peers. It’s emotionally cheaper to grasp at straws about conspiracies, being misquoted, etc. than to see that the emperor has no clothes. And the first few dissenters are stoned by the majority, providing even more incentive to just continue to accept the initial story.

208 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 7:59:12am

re: #205 ObserverArt

Maybe not a god…but…

(came up with this the other night, I figure it is usable a lot when referring to the Patron Saint to All Dudebros)

Patron Saint to DudeBros Everywhere.

Maybe he is an avatar of the Godhead, at least in his own mind.

209 Feline Fearless Leader  May 17, 2014 7:59:26am

re: #205 ObserverArt

Since he’s pointing at the scroll shouldn’t there be a Latin subtitle saying “Buy my book”?

210 FemNaziBitch  May 17, 2014 7:59:37am

re: #198 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Agree about the coverage. Get minimum liability for him. Not sure how that works with regards to adding him to your policy. Check and see how much it would be to have a policy in his name with liability, against how much it would cost to add him to yours.

Seems there would be some way to calculate those online, depending on your ins. company.

IIRC, if he is in your household he is covered under your insurance —State Law. When evaluating a person for an auto insurance policy underwriters consider the whole household when considering the risk. Anyone you give the keys to your car to is covered when they drive your car. Insurance follows the car, not the person.

Adding him to an existing vehicle is often more expensive, because that car is often a new car with full coverage —required by the leinholder. Even as a non-primary driver the cost is high.

211 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 7:59:44am

re: #197 FemNaziBitch

If the State has granted him a driver’s license I do not think they can discriminate based on a medical diagnosis. If they do, I’d fight it—file a report with the Insurance Board and Attorney General.

I also, do not think they can raise rates because of it.

IIRC, The cheapest way to insure a young man is to buy a beater car and carry the minimum insurance on it. After Liabiity, the greats cost is for Collision coverage. So go without coverage for the vehicle itself.

In NC, even liability is higher for inexperienced drivers, as my grandson found out. But the premium goes down every six mos, so there’s that.

I don’t see how Mom can avoid putting her son on their family policy since he has no vehicle of his own, and it may be cheaper in the long run to do so.

212 Skip Intro  May 17, 2014 7:59:50am

Day 2 of the “This Time We Really Are Going to Take Over the Government”.

It doesn’t appear that the reinforcements have arrived.

ustream.tv

213 ObserverArt  May 17, 2014 8:02:14am

re: #184 darthstar

My Gadsden flag was at the cleaner’s.

Here use this one…

Uh huh honey…don't step on my blue suede shoes

Hah. Fun with previous images!

214 FemNaziBitch  May 17, 2014 8:02:29am

re: #211 Justanotherhuman

In NC, even liability is higher for inexperienced drivers, as my grandson found out. But the premium goes down every six mos, so there’s that.

I don’t see how Mom can avoid putting her son on their family policy since he has no vehicle of his own, and it may be cheaper in the long run to do so.

If he has a license the insurance company will tell you that he must be rated on a vehicle and they must charge the appropriate premium. Unless you can guarantee he will not drive and are willing to sign an Exclusion notice, they will charge you for him.

215 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 8:03:11am

re: #203 ObserverArt

Well, with his parade around major media this week, they should start seeing that he isn’t the super-hero fighting the man they think he is. It is pretty clear the book is way more important than a crusade to stave off spying into personal digital info.

But, somehow I don’t think they will. That is what really gets me about the world around us as far as media. It really does seem that the “initial report” sticks. People hear Snowden is a hero for fighting for their privacy. They hear Snowden chose Greenwald as the trusted journalist that is protecting Snowden and is the go-between. And they buy in. They buy the whole image and almost treat it all as a poster they hang on the wall and can look at as their heroes, someone to admire.

Along comes stuff that should indicate the “initial reports” were way off, Snowden may well be a snake. Greenwald is out selling a book while also selling Snowden down the river. It’s all about the money, the stature, the power…personal security be damned.

But they have that poster, and no matter what, those guys are my heroes.

I think Greenwald is smart enough to know he has framed this whole thing with a whole bunch of dudebros that will buy more posters and more books.

Maybe, but that seems to be a very small audience, and online.

I’d like to hear from an average person who never heard of him and just saw him on say, the Today Show.

I’m sure no one around here ever heard of him except me, and if they have, they probably would think he’s full of shit. People have more important things to think about, like a real job, to even consider the stuff he’s peddling.

216 wrenchwench  May 17, 2014 8:05:08am
217 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 8:05:55am

re: #214 FemNaziBitch

If he has a license the insurance company will tell you that he must be rated on a vehicle and they must charge the appropriate premium. Unless you can guarantee he will not drive and are willing to sign an Exclusion notice, they will charge you for him.

When my grandson got his car, he had been driving a year, and paid $1200 for the cheapest ins and that was liability only. He was put in a “risk pool” which is where most inexperienced drivers or drivers with records wind up (he didn’t have a “record”).

There was no getting around it in NC.

218 wheat-dogghazi  May 17, 2014 8:07:58am

re: #215 Justanotherhuman

Most people already suspect and accept the government spies on every other nation. So, he’s not going to drum up much support from that quarter. As for the domestic surveillance, unless it involves someone they know personally, most people (sadly) could give a shit. There are security cameras everywhere now. You have to flash your ID to buy stuff with a credit card. You get frisked or X-rayed at the airport. Government surveillance? What else is news?

219 BongCrodny  May 17, 2014 8:10:30am

re: #212 Skip Intro

Day 2 of the “This Time We Really Are Going to Take Over the Government”.

It doesn’t appear that the reinforcements have arrived.

ustream.tv

Oh, look ~~ it’s a crazy person talking!

220 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2014 8:11:22am

I had a visitor last night, come to steal catfood on the front porch:

I’ll just take this…

221 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 8:12:02am

re: #218 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Most people already suspect and accept the government spies on every other nation. So, he’s not going to drum up much support from that quarter. As for the domestic surveillance, unless it involves someone they know personally, most people (sadly) could give a shit. There are security cameras everywhere now. You have to flash your ID to buy stuff with a credit card. You get frisked or X-rayed at the airport. Government surveillance? What else is news?

Most people, I’d think, are more worried about local LE, getting a speeding ticket, having a neighbor file a noise complaint, etc. I think in a modern world, when you’re part of a modern govt, perhaps even receiving benefits from it, you expect your privacy to be somewhat “violated”.

What burns me up is that since I started receiving SS, I’ve been bombarded with all kinds of snail ad mail for hearing aids, ins, etc. Online, it’s a bit different, because phishing exists and they look for code words, although I seldom go anywhere and comment except LGF. I’m just wondering if they can pick them up from Gmail (which I don’t send many emails from anyway; I prefer telephone calls).

222 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2014 8:12:34am

and then he decided to sit still for a portrait.

hurry up with the picture, I ain’t got all night.

223 Skip Intro  May 17, 2014 8:17:16am

re: #219 BongCrodny

Millions more are on the way. They’ll be here Thursday, for sure.

224 ObserverArt  May 17, 2014 8:19:34am

re: #192 A Mom Anon

So much for the bike ride, it looks like all hell is gonna break loose with rain in a minute.

So, here’s something to toss out there today… I need help with something.

The No Longer a Teenager got his driver’s license yesterday. Which is seriously cool and totally awesome and we are just busting with pride. It’s a HUGE deal for some people with Asperger’s to learn this skill because you have to push down lots of fear and sensory overload to do it. I cannot even express how proud I am of him, he’s one of the bravest people I’ve ever known.

The issue now becomes auto insurance. He is saving for a car but has a way to go before he has enough to get something safe to drive. Meanwhile, he can drive my car enough to keep his skills sharp when he’s home from vocational rehab school. Does anyone know the best and least expensive way to add him as a driver to our existing policy? He’s 20, and I don’t think the student discounts are going to work here since this isn’t an academic school he’s attending (it’s a school for young adults with learning disabilities, he’s learning basic job and life/social skills with the goal of being an employable human at the end), and I’m kinda scared that if the insurance company figures out he has Asperger’s they won’t insure him. I called them once and the conversation really didn’t make it clear what to do or how much it would cost. We’re in GA, does anyone have any thoughts or ideas about what to do?

I don’t know how it will work with the Asperger’s, or if they offer auto insurance in your area, but try Erie Insurance. They are one, if not the best at insuring younger drivers. Many times you will see them at the top of the ratings for auto insurance. They don’t spend money of advertising and PR they spend it on their making their customers happy. I know, I’ve been a happy customer since I bought my first car and could get off my father’s policy. 40+ years…no complaints from me.

225 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 8:25:38am

Mom, is there an agent for your ins company nearby? You could discuss adding your son to the policy and get some info from that person, but I wouldn’t, if there are no limitations on his license, say anything about his Asperger’s. You might try discussing lowering the limits on your liability (if it lowers the premium enough, say if you have $100K for property damage, reduce it to $50K) or raising your deductible (if that’s fairly low) and see how it affects your premium. If doing something like that doesn’t reduce the premium to make much of a difference, then I’d leave the limits alone. If he is going to be driving the family vehicles, you will have to “bite the bullet”, I’m afraid, until he can afford an older car w/just liability on his own.

If he goes 6 mos w/o tickets or an accident, your premium will more than likely decrease twice a year until he’s considered an experienced driver. My grandson has had his ins a year, and it’s been halved already.

226 Varek Raith  May 17, 2014 8:28:03am

Nuclear power economical?
Lol.

227 Justanotherhuman  May 17, 2014 8:30:06am

French President Francois Hollande says Western powers and Nigeria have agreed on plan of action against Boko Haram - @WSJbreakingnews
End of alert

228 FemNaziBitch  May 17, 2014 8:30:52am

re: #227 Justanotherhuman

French President Francois Hollande says Western powers and Nigeria have agreed on plan of action against Boko Haram - @WSJbreakingnews
End of alert

Sucks that the West had to get involved at all.

after kidnapping 300 girls, you’d think it would be a no-brainer.

229 FemNaziBitch  May 17, 2014 8:32:38am

bbl

230 A Mom Anon  May 17, 2014 8:34:56am

re: #225 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, I’m going to have to go in there and talk to them. I called and they started asking me a shit ton of questions about his grades in high school, they assumed he was in college and asked about his grades and I had to half ass tell them he wasn’t living at home but was in a work/ study program and only needed insurance to drive my car when he was home a couple times a month. I think there’s a thing where we can get lower rates if he’s driving less than 500 miles a month or something. My car is new-ish, a 2012 and almost paid off (about 3K to go I think, but I don’t owe a payment til next year because I paid ahead when we got a little money from taxes last year) so it has full coverage and I would probably keep that for awhile after it’s paid for, just to be safe. I was just hoping we could add him on a limited basis for awhile, til he gets on his feet and can get working back here after he’s done with school. I guess I’m going to have to go or send The Husband up there to figure it out with an agent.

231 ObserverArt  May 17, 2014 8:45:07am

If Charles is out there reading…I was having trouble accessing LGF Thursday and Friday morning. Late last night it seemed to be much better. Today, back to loading quickly.

Did something get fixered up, or was it as I was thinking yesterday in a comment, there were glitches in how the ads were loading and it was causing all the issues?

Anyway…it is nice when it works like it should…pop-ads on or not. Back online…and happy.

232 ObserverArt  May 17, 2014 8:48:33am

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had a visitor last night, come to steal catfood on the front porch:

I’ll just take this…

Ohhhh. A bandit, I can tell by the mask.

I know raccoons can be a pain in the ass, but they sure are crafty and intelligent critters. And the babies are cute as all get out.

233 William Barnett-Lewis  May 17, 2014 8:57:56am

re: #187 FemNaziBitch

Any input from our Talmudic Scholars?

[Embedded content]

ISTR VB talking about that recently. You’ll have to wait to ask her after nightfall, but it is my understanding that is the generally accepted explaination of Sodom & Gomorrah in traditional Jewish thinking. I only own a commentary on the Torah, not of the writings & the prophets unfortunately.

I’d also sick Chapter 2 of the Epistle of James on them. (“15 If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill,” and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? 17 So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. “)

234 Sergey Romanov  May 17, 2014 9:06:17am

re: #233 William Barnett-Lewis

Luke’s Jesus seems to sort of agree with the hospitality interpretation (ch.10):

8 “When you enter a town and are welcomed, eat what is offered to you. 9 Heal the sick who are there and tell them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’ 10 But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its streets and say, 11 ‘Even the dust of your town we wipe from our feet as a warning to you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God has come near.’ 12 I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.

I have yet to see a single biblical verse unequivocally tying the S&G punishment to sexual orientation.

235 Sergey Romanov  May 17, 2014 9:09:13am

re: #234 Sergey Romanov

Interestingly, what the proponents of that interpretation are implicitly saying is that heterosexual gang rape is somehow better than the same-sex one.

236 calochortus  May 17, 2014 9:12:05am

re: #235 Sergey Romanov

Interestingly, what the proponents of that interpretation are implicitly saying is that heterosexual gang rape is somehow better than the same-sex one.

Some folks have said it explicitly as well. Heterosexual rape is apparently regrettable but natural, so it’s kind of OK.

237 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2014 9:14:04am

heh…

238 wrenchwench  May 17, 2014 9:16:46am
239 wrenchwench  May 17, 2014 9:43:21am
240 Lidane  May 17, 2014 9:43:24am
241 jaunte  May 17, 2014 9:49:15am
242 Lidane  May 17, 2014 9:49:25am
243 Eclectic Cyborg  May 17, 2014 9:50:06am

re: #205 ObserverArt

Should be holding a thumb drive.

244 jaunte  May 17, 2014 9:55:48am

It’s a beautiful day today in Central Texas, 77º F, breezy. Listening to bird song and watching a heron hunt the pond.


(looks like this heron, grabbed from jrcompton.com)

245 BeenHereAwhile  May 17, 2014 11:06:39am

re: #238 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

“My jacket’s gonna be cut and slim and checked,
Maybe a touch of seersucker, with an open neck.
I ride a G.S. scooter with my hair cut neat,
Wear my wartime coat in the wind and sleet.”

The Who

246 urbanmeemaw  May 17, 2014 11:23:05am

re: #205 ObserverArt

Maybe not a god…but…

(came up with this the other night, I figure it is usable a lot when referring to the Patron Saint to All Dudebros)

Patron Saint to DudeBros Everywhere.

Prayer of the Dudebro: “Dear St. Glenn: Please Prey For Us”


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