Wingnut Blogger Arrested for Photographing Sen. Thad Cochran’s Bedridden Wife

Otherwise known as stalking
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Here we see the kind of narcissistic moron who gives all bloggers a bad name (not that most right wing bloggers don’t deserve it): Activist Arrested After Photographing Thad Cochran’s Bedridden Wife.

A Mississippi political activist has been arrested for allegedly breaking into the nursing home of Sen. Thad Cochran’s wife and photographing Rose Cochran without her consent, the Clarion-Ledger newspaper reported Saturday.

Rose Cochran has lived in the St. Catherine’s Village facility since 2000 and suffers from progressive dementia, the Jackson-based newspaper said.

The suspect, identified as 28-year-old Clayton Thomas Kelly, maintains a political blog where he has posted statements attacking the senator and advocating for his defeat in the June 3 Republican primary. Referring to himself online as “Constitutional Clayton,” Kelly has railed against the United Nations and written in support of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s standoff with the federal Bureau of Land Management.

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360 comments
1 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 7:01:52pm

What a douche. It’s one thing to want to Sen. Cochran to lose his seat, but to sneak into a nursing home and photograph his ill wife is just plain rotten.

2 BongCrodny  May 17, 2014 7:02:29pm

No courtesy.

No common sense.

Not even the slightest bit of empathy.

And these people think they should lead the country?

Fuck ‘em.

3 PhillyPretzel  May 17, 2014 7:08:28pm

You are correct Charles it is stalking. These people are sinking to new depths.

4 Skip Intro  May 17, 2014 7:10:35pm

Enhancing his resume for his Breitbart job interview?

5 klys  May 17, 2014 7:14:32pm

Here is a photograph not of an elderly woman but instead the Guinness museum.

For Gus, if he’s still around.

6 b.d.  May 17, 2014 7:15:13pm

James O’Keefe wannabee, maybe if he puts on a fur coat he’ll become the next wingnut darling.

7 klys  May 17, 2014 7:17:08pm

No premature celebrations here.

8 Decatur Deb  May 17, 2014 7:19:19pm

So does Kelly’s favored candidate tear him a new one, or does the politician need the scumbag vote?

Nevermind… a statement at the end of the article.

9 b.d.  May 17, 2014 7:19:21pm

You have to admit that that’s an unique excuse for not being at the American Spring uprising.

10 Floral Giraffe  May 17, 2014 7:20:17pm
A Mississippi political activist has been arrested for allegedly breaking into the nursing home of Sen. Thad Cochran’s wife and photographing Rose Cochran without her consent,

Just despicable.

11 jaunte  May 17, 2014 7:27:15pm

What sort of insane logic would lead someone to believe that a picture of a woman suffering from dementia is a political liability for her husband?

12 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 7:29:10pm

re: #11 jaunte

What sort of insane logic would lead someone to believe that a picture of a woman suffering from dementia is a political liability for her husband?

I can’t imagine. The good news is that this asshole has likely made it more likely that Sen, Cochran will win his primary. And I hope he does, in order to put this dirtbag’s hopes into ruins.

13 RealityBasedSteve  May 17, 2014 7:30:35pm

Army McCarthy Hearings “Have you no decency”

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14 Dark_Falcon  May 17, 2014 7:36:04pm

re: #13 RealityBasedSteve

Army McCarthy Hearings “Have you no decency”

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This is actually worse in a way, since removing Communists loyal to Moscow from positions within the government was at least a relevant issue in 1954 (Sen. McCarthy’s methods were far over the line, though, hence Welch’s retort).

By contrast, this wingnut’s invasion of privacy served no legitimate issue that I can see.

15 Killgore Trout  May 17, 2014 7:46:55pm

Having fun going through the crosstabs on the poll I posted about earlier
The State of the Center

Third Way’s inaugural State of the Center survey takes a deep look at the values that animate the center of the electorate. The results shed significant light on the unique perspectives of moderate voters, who wrestle with and often reject the either/or ideological choices so prevalent in modern politics. Rather, they frequently recognize that both sides have a piece of the truth, which colors their views on government, politics, and specific policy issues. In short, moderates aren’t mushy — they’re multifaceted.

16 fern01  May 17, 2014 7:47:49pm

I have visited family and friends in nursing homes where there was always free and easy access - and many of the residents loved to say hello - regardless of who you came to visit.

All this type of stupid does is lock people up alone because someone might get sued for allowing such a person into the home - slowly but surely, these fools and their “freedom” are removing freedom from everyone else.

17 Charles Johnson  May 17, 2014 7:54:47pm

They’re doing it again.

18 Pie-onist Overlord  May 17, 2014 7:55:56pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

They’re doing it again.

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Why does this psycho still have a Twitter account?

For that matter, why does the guy who threatened palmerskiss still have a Twitter account?

19 Stanley Sea  May 17, 2014 8:03:24pm

re: #11 jaunte

What sort of insane logic would lead someone to believe that a picture of a woman suffering from dementia is a political liability for her husband?

He abandoned his wife? Sick. Lee Atwater lives on.

20 Lidane  May 17, 2014 8:04:45pm
21 NJDhockeyfan  May 17, 2014 8:05:26pm
22 dog philosopher  May 17, 2014 8:11:25pm

the heavenly voices i hear just tell me to run

away

fast

23 Pie-onist Overlord  May 17, 2014 8:14:31pm

Freepers be preppin’

24 RealityBasedSteve  May 17, 2014 8:14:32pm

re: #22 dog philosopher

the heavenly voices i hear just tell me to run

away

fast

Mine tell me that it’s ok to eat a full batch of cup-cakes over the course of a a weekend..

RBS

25 Pie-onist Overlord  May 17, 2014 8:15:09pm

re: #24 RealityBasedSteve

Mine tell me that it’s ok to eat a full batch of cup-cakes over the course of a a weekend..

RBS

We have eated half The APPLE PIE

26 klys  May 17, 2014 8:15:27pm

At least two more hours before I should go to bed, in the interest of being on the appropriate time zone.

Don’t die, thread. DON’T DIE.

27 RealityBasedSteve  May 17, 2014 8:18:01pm

re: #25 Pie-onist Overlord

We have eated half The APPLE PIE

Hopefully you had some for breakfast…. it’s one of the best breakfast foods there is. Apple Pie, a couple of slices of good sharp cheddar cheese, some coffee. Yum-Yum.

RBS

28 Lidane  May 17, 2014 8:18:40pm

re: #23 Pie-onist Overlord

Freepers are also strangely silent on this story out of Mississippi. I just looked and there aren’t any big threads over there talking about it.

29 Pie-onist Overlord  May 17, 2014 8:22:37pm

re: #27 RealityBasedSteve

Hopefully you had some for breakfast…. it’s one of the best breakfast foods there is. Apple Pie, a couple of slices of good sharp cheddar cheese, some coffee. Yum-Yum.

RBS

It was one of my best pies ever. At first I thought I made a mistake using a combination of Granny Smith & Gala apples after reading that Gala are not supposed to be used in pie, but it was TEH MOAST AWESOME.

30 Charles Johnson  May 17, 2014 8:23:02pm

Meanwhile, Marcy Wheeler is still listed as a member of The Intercept’s staff.

31 BongCrodny  May 17, 2014 8:24:00pm

re: #26 klys

At least two more hours before I should go to bed, in the interest of being on the appropriate time zone.

Don’t die, thread. DON’T DIE.

In the interest of pimping a good band, here’s a great way to fill 2 1/2 minutes of that two hours.

Country Lips - Nothin’ To My Name

Youtube Video
If you’re not a country fan…never mind! ;-)

32 klys  May 17, 2014 8:24:34pm

re: #27 RealityBasedSteve

Hopefully you had some for breakfast…. it’s one of the best breakfast foods there is. Apple Pie, a couple of slices of good sharp cheddar cheese, some coffee. Yum-Yum.

RBS

Now I want apple pie for breakfast.

I tried an apple pie in Dublin. It was pie-shaped but the crust tasted like (and had the consistency of) cake.

I’m not sure if that was an Irish thing or just the food at that one place though.

33 Pie-onist Overlord  May 17, 2014 8:25:04pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Marcy Wheeler is still listed as a member of The Intercept’s staff.

Maybe they forgot the password and got locked out and can’t log in to make updates.

34 Pie-onist Overlord  May 17, 2014 8:25:33pm

Apple Pie is the most perfect food there is.

35 Shiplord Kirel  May 17, 2014 8:27:21pm

re: #23 Pie-onist Overlord

Freepers be preppin’
FreeRepublic: DIY: Make your own self-igniting flaming arrows in case of siege
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Diet for patriots: Incinerate tanks with lethal flatulence.

36 NJDhockeyfan  May 17, 2014 8:28:50pm
37 RealityBasedSteve  May 17, 2014 8:29:55pm

re: #29 Pie-onist Overlord

It was one of my best pies ever. At first I thought I made a mistake using a combination of Granny Smith & Gala apples after reading that Gala are not supposed to be used in pie, but it was TEH MOAST AWESOME.

I’m not a baker, but it may be a case where maybe Gala’s aren’t good by themselves, but they blend well with others? Perhaps you have found the secret to “The Ultimate Apple Pie”, you’ll become rich and famous, have a show on the Food Channel. Do you need a general handyman / sous-chef / photographer / woodworker?

RBS

38 Mattand  May 17, 2014 8:48:43pm

I guess this is where I’m supposed to say that not all Tea Baggers are this inhuman blah blah blah, but screw it. If you’re associating yourself with the Tea Party, there’s something wrong with you.

It may not be full blown Bundy-level insanity, but there really seems to something genuinely damaged about the Tea Party thought process/grip on reality.

Christ, if this is how they treat fellow Republicans, can you imagine what would have happened if was Cochran a Democrat? We might be looking at a kidnapping or something horrible like that right now.

Seriously, Republicans, I don’t want your pissy little civil war and the overall mental illness you pass off as party platform dragging the rest of us down with you.

39 freetoken  May 17, 2014 8:57:01pm

re: #21 NJDhockeyfan

I didn’t know dinos wore cargo shorts and black hats.

40 freetoken  May 17, 2014 8:59:25pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Rather, they frequently recognize that both sides have a piece of the truth, …

Frankly, when I see something like that, and it’s a popular sort of phrase among neo-journalists trying to find their spot in the “mainstream”, I just think the writer is being intellectually lazy.

41 freetoken  May 17, 2014 9:02:50pm

Clayton Thomas Kelly has a piece of the truth.

He also now has a piece of Mississippi criminal record databases.

42 Snarknado!  May 17, 2014 9:03:03pm

re: #34 Pie-onist Overlord

Apple Pie is the most perfect food there is.

Berry pie.

43 EPR-radar  May 17, 2014 9:16:28pm

re: #40 freetoken

Frankly, when I see something like that, and it’s a popular sort of phrase among neo-journalists trying to find their spot in the “mainstream”, I just think the writer is being intellectually lazy.

Indeed. I await a credible report that movement conservatives have hold of even an infinitesimal piece of the truth.

44 Gus  May 17, 2014 9:32:51pm

45 Stanley Sea  May 17, 2014 9:39:43pm

re: #44 Gus

Pius.

46 Gus  May 17, 2014 9:42:26pm

re: #45 Stanley Sea

Pius.

She’s freaking nuts. Plus she’s doing it under the premise of supporting Israel. Good grief. Who the feck needs that kind of support.

47 Lidane  May 17, 2014 9:54:55pm
48 freetoken  May 17, 2014 10:09:53pm

This will be interesting:

Switzerland votes on world’s highest minimum wage

Swiss voters will take part in a referendum on Sunday on whether to introduce what would be the highest minimum wage in the world.

If approved, employers would be obliged to pay workers a monthly minimum of 4,000 Swiss francs (£2,680; $4,470).

[…]

Hmmm… I wonder what would happen if here in California we had a referendum to raise a minimum wage?

49 Gus  May 17, 2014 10:11:40pm
50 freetoken  May 17, 2014 10:15:37pm

re: #49 Gus

To see that much relief, the viewing point must not have been set very high.

51 Gus  May 17, 2014 10:16:50pm

re: #50 freetoken

To see that much relief, the viewing point must not have been set very high.

Yep. Wouldn’t be from “space” with that kind of topography showing up.

52 Gus  May 17, 2014 10:18:07pm
53 Gus  May 17, 2014 10:19:42pm

re: #50 freetoken

To see that much relief, the viewing point must not have been set very high.

That’s what set of mah alarm. I was like, “wait a second.” Off I went searching. Found an answer right away at Reddit. “Science” porn however doesn’t seem to practice science. Ironically.

54 freetoken  May 17, 2014 10:19:52pm

re: #51 Gus

Rough guess - 30 mile altitude. Around the boundary of the stratosphere and the mesosphere:

Image: Atm_Structure.png

55 Lidane  May 17, 2014 10:19:57pm
56 Gus  May 17, 2014 10:22:00pm

re: #54 freetoken

Rough guess - 30 mile altitude. Around the boundary of the stratosphere and the mesosphere:

Image: Atm_Structure.png

I was thinking 80,000’ ASL. Close enough. :D

57 Gus  May 17, 2014 10:26:20pm

Finally took a peek at those OAS crazies. Many those people are seriously whacked.

58 freetoken  May 17, 2014 10:26:27pm

re: #53 Gus

I guess I’d cut them a little bit of slack as “space” is everywhere around us, in us, and we part of it.

It’s part of an antiquated notion - that “space” is “up there” - stemming from millennial of superstitious beliefs about the “heavens” being different than the earth below.

That always bugs me about news articles about “space” exploration - when a the writer claims that a human or object has finally reached “space”. This old fashioned dichotomy (between what is above and what is below) is so pervasive in our language and arts that extricating our mindsets from primitive beliefs is going to take a very long time.

59 Gus  May 17, 2014 10:28:42pm

re: #58 freetoken

I guess I’d cut them a little bit of slack as “space” is everywhere around us, in us, and we part of it.

It’s part of an antiquated notion - that “space” is “up there” - stemming from millennial of superstitious beliefs about the “heavens” being different than the earth below.

That always bugs me about news articles about “space” exploration - when a the writer claims that a human or object has finally reached “space”. This old fashioned dichotomy (between what is above and what is below) is so pervasive in our language and arts that extricating our mindsets from primitive beliefs is going to take a very long time.

Even funnier is “outer space.” Not much you can do about it. It’s like “drones.” Words don’t seem to matter much.

60 freetoken  May 17, 2014 10:29:03pm

Here is another picture “from space”:

Image: forest-floor.jpg

61 freetoken  May 17, 2014 10:30:04pm

re: #59 Gus

Even funnier is “outer space.” Not much you can do about it. It’s like “drones.” Words don’t seem to matter much.

As opposed to “inner space”, where all those voices dwell that encourage nuts to run for political offices.

62 Lidane  May 17, 2014 10:39:50pm
63 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  May 17, 2014 10:45:17pm

re: #42 Snarknado!

Berry pie.

Strawberry rhubarb. Or maybe Key lime. I dither.

64 freetoken  May 17, 2014 10:45:18pm

re: #62 Lidane

We are breeding pets to look more like humans.

In the case of cats, and dogs but it hasn’t worked as well with dogs, that means flatter faces.

Yesterday there was a somewhat feral cat around my place, and I had forgotten how three dimensional (i.e., not as flat) the face of the wild small felines can be.

The thing with kittens is that their faces are especially flat - and their eyes light colored - which makes them seem even more human like.

Darwin would get a kick out of these photos, I think.

65 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  May 17, 2014 10:47:56pm
Referring to himself online as “Constitutional Clayton,” Kelly has railed against the United Nations and written in support of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s standoff with the federal Bureau of Land Management.

Again the right wing wackos conspire to make The Onion sound like straight political reportage: Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be.

In a sane world you wouldn’t be allowed to bill yourself as a supporter of the Constitution and of Cliven Bundy simultaneously.

66 Kragar  May 17, 2014 11:01:50pm

Just got home from chaperoning elementary school kids to Disneyland all day.

Fuck I’m tired.

67 Kragar  May 17, 2014 11:03:45pm

My feet feel like two swollen lumps

68 Kragar  May 17, 2014 11:05:51pm

They also neglected to tell us with was the day every other school in Southern CA was having a class trip for the end of the year

69 sagehen  May 17, 2014 11:12:19pm

re: #51 Gus

Yep. Wouldn’t be from “space” with that kind of topography showing up.

Anything over 50k feet is technically “space”… even though the space station is about 5 times farther.

70 Kragar  May 17, 2014 11:15:21pm

Oh electric massager, you’re my bestest friend

71 darthstar  May 18, 2014 12:05:11am

re: #70 Kragar

Oh electric massager, you’re my bestest friend

It doesn’t go in your pants.

72 Lidane  May 18, 2014 12:08:57am

re: #71 darthstar

It doesn’t go in your pants.

You’re assuming he’s still wearing pants.

73 darthstar  May 18, 2014 12:08:57am

For Gus…a better song for GG.

Youtube Video

74 darthstar  May 18, 2014 12:09:30am

re: #72 Lidane

You’re assuming he’s still wearing pants.

Oh, silly me. I forgot to add the “what would I do?” filter.

75 darthstar  May 18, 2014 12:10:02am

re: #66 Kragar

Just got home from chaperoning elementary school kids to Disneyland all day.

Fuck I’m tired.

At least you didn’t have to bring them back.

76 Kragar  May 18, 2014 12:42:12am

PINS AND NEEDLES!

77 freetoken  May 18, 2014 1:56:42am

One of Jerome Kern’s more famous compositions, (and one of my favorites), as interpreted by D.E.:

MP3 Audio

78 Sergey Romanov  May 18, 2014 2:19:28am

79 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 2:38:49am

What a despicable person. As I’ve reported, I live in a fairly rural/BR comm type of county which votes R, religious and conservative. I was at my granddaughter’s yesterday and she runs a dog grooming business; the 2 g-grandsons got to play outside and it’s a big, green space w/2 houses on the property (owned by her father in law) tucked away on a lightly traveled, quiet road, perfect for kids. Anyway, she was going to groom the 2 standard poodles from across the road, Ruby and Coco, beautiful dogs, BTW. Now, I don’t know anything about those folks, their politics or anything else, but they work the dogs as service dogs, taking them to nursing homes which I thought was such a neat idea. I saw another service dog at Wallyworld the other day, also. The elderly man s/he was with had put a sign on the dog which said, “This dog is working” as a warning, I suppose, for people not to pet it. Too many people don’t know to leave them alone since they are very protective.

My granddaughter is so funny about animals—she truly loves them. They have 3? 4? dogs (I can’t keep up), a cat, a bearded lizard, and she wants a goat, a donkey, a cow, chickens—in other words, she wants to turn the place into a barnyard. She would have gone to vet school if she’d had the chance, but that didn’t happen, so she does the next best thing for her.

BTW, Gala apples are my favorite. You can make a killer salad w/mesclun, a small chopped gala apple, chopped celery, crumbled blue cheese, a sprinkling of walnuts & dried cranberries w/a sweet poppy seed dressing. Both pretty and scrumptious! Throw on some grilled chicken strips if you’d like some meat but I usually leave it off. If you keep the dressing scant, you can eat a fairly large salad and not consume over 400 cals. One of my meals every day is a greens-based salad and nothing else. I will pay more for mesclun because every little leaf gets eaten, there’s no waste as in larger lettuces.

Beautiful Mesclun

80 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 2:52:53am

More on that bldg collapse in N Korea.

N. Korean elite in rare apology for construction accident

sg.news.yahoo.com

“Senior North Korean officials have publicly apologised for an “unimaginable” accident at an apartment construction site, state media said Sunday, a rare admission of culpability by the secretive hardline state.

“South Korean officials said the incident involved the collapse of a 23-storey apartment building in Pyongyang’s Pyongchon district, which already had close to 100 families in residence.

(snip)

“Leader Kim Jong-Un “sat up all night, feeling painful” after being told about the accident, the agency said.”

Yeah, I’ll bet he did. I cannot imagine moving into a structure which was not yet finished and inspected. But that’s just me…

81 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 3:00:41am

See what happens when you leave Brazil, GG, you selfish pig?

Report: Rioting Brazil prisoners take more than 120 hostages, official says - @AFP
End of alert

No doubt The Mighty Godwald™ would be the most effective deterrent, doncha know. Just his presence would make those prisoners tremble and crawl back into their cells.

82 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 3:03:22am

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but the Abramson firing at the NYT is getting uglier by the minute.

83 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 3:06:36am

re: #81 Justanotherhuman

See what happens when you leave Brazil, GG, you selfish pig?

Report: Rioting Brazil prisoners take more than 120 hostages, official says - @AFP
End of alert

No doubt The Mighty GodwaldTM would be the most effective deterrent, doncha know. Just his presence would make those prisoners tremble and crawl back into their cells.

It’s interesting that the Intercept hasn’t had word one about the deplorable lack of preparation by Brazil for the 2014 World Cup, not to mention the fact that the IOC has talked about moving the 2016 Olympics to London because Brazil is so far behind on preparing for that.

84 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 3:08:20am

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

“Leader Kim Jong-Un “sat up all night, feeling painful” after being told about the accident, the agency said.”

Yeah, I’ll bet he did. I cannot imagine moving into a structure which was not yet finished and inspected.

There had to have been quite a few deaths for that type of statement to come out. Sheesh, what a waste of human life.

85 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 3:53:17am

re: #84 Rev_Arthur_Belling

There had to have been quite a few deaths for that type of statement to come out. Sheesh, what a waste of human life.

In China that type of construction is called “tofu construction.” I’d guess they didn’t use rebar or scrimped on the quality of cement used.

86 Bulworth  May 18, 2014 3:58:18am

re: #55 Lidane

C’mon guys, this Constitutional blogger is just loving American and concerned about Freedom and Liberty. ///

87 Bulworth  May 18, 2014 3:59:26am

re: #66 Kragar

Just got home from chaperoning elementary school kids to Disneyland all day.

Fuck I’m tired.

What did you do to deserve this punishment?

88 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 4:30:39am

re: #82 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but the Abramson firing at the NYT is getting uglier by the minute.

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It sounds as though she was causing a lot of complaints with her mgmt style.

If I wouldn’t put up with it from a man, why would I if it were a woman? I once had a temporary job with a bank and the woman I was working for, one of those ubiquitous “Vice Presidents” banks are full of, was awful. I wondered if she thought she had to be as big an ass as any of the guys and I called the agency and left at noon. I had never done that on any job I was sent to because I had never had anyone (male or female) be quite so nastily authoritarian and profane toward me, as though I was dirt beneath her feet.

89 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 4:37:09am

When are they going to arrest govt employees for allowing this mine to operate at all?

Turkey mine disaster: ‘18 arrested’ over Soma deaths

bbc.com

“The rescue operation at the mine, in the town of Soma, ended on Saturday after the bodies of the last two workers were recovered.

“The final death toll from the disaster is 301, making it Turkey’s worst mining disaster.

“The arrests are being widely reported by Turkish broadcasters.”

Here’s another story: hurriyetdailynews.com

90 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 4:42:21am

re: #88 Justanotherhuman

It sounds as though she was causing a lot of complaints with her mgmt style.

If I wouldn’t put up with it from a man, why would I if it were a woman? I once had a temporary job with a bank and the woman I was working for, one of those ubiquitous “Vice Presidents” banks are full of, was awful. I wondered if she thought she had to be as big an ass as any of the guys and I called the agency and left at noon. I had never done that on any job I was sent to because I had never had anyone (male or female) be quite so nastily authoritarian and profane toward me, as though I was dirt beneath her feet.

There’s a lot of he said/she said (no pun intended) in this situation. There’s a question as to whether her style was thought of as “pushy” because she’s a she, questions of compensation, etc. I don’t know either way, but there’s a lot of NYT dirty laundry that’s coming to the surface here. I don’t think Sulzberger has covered himself in glory in the way he handled things either.

91 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 4:47:47am

re: #90 Rev_Arthur_Belling

There’s a lot of he said/she said (no pun intended) in this situation. There’s a question as to whether her style was thought of as “pushy” because she’s a she, questions of compensation, etc. I don’t know either way, but there’s a lot of NYT dirty laundry that’s coming to the surface here. I don’t think Sulzberger has covered himself in glory in the way he handled things either.

Strong women are often called “pushy”.

My mom told me I was pushy once. I said “yes, and that is why I get things done and don’t have to wait forever for people to respond.”

My Mom would wait at home ALL Day for a return call from a doctor’s office and then be angry when they didn’t call back. Then call me and complain.

I go down there and don’t wait, I get results. Therefore, I am pushy.

92 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 4:48:56am

re: #91 FemNaziBitch

Strong women are often called “pushy”.

Weren’t the #tcot crowd using Bossy in their handles?

93 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 4:49:54am

re: #92 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Weren’t the #tcot crowd using Bossy in their handles?

I updated the post with a personal story. I’m tired of being polite and behaving like a child because that is what is expected.

94 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 4:52:06am

re: #93 FemNaziBitch

I updated the post with a personal story. I’m tired of being polite and behaving like a child because that is what is expected.

If you want something, you gotta go get it.

95 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 5:02:47am

I was often seen as “pushy” or aggressive at work, but that didn’t mean I wasn’t polite to people. You simply can’t run roughshod over others, no matter who you are. I didn’t engage in petty gossip or tearing others down but tried to zero in on problems and got a lot of work done. If someone needed my help, they got it and I asked for help when I needed it as well to get the work out. I tried very hard to separate the work from my own personal feelings about others.

I pushed myself, not other people, but I don’t lie down and take neglect or abuse of any form, either.

96 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 5:03:16am

Per the NYT/Abramson imbroglio, this is some interesting background on the first female senior editor at a major daily: The First Woman Senior Editor at a Major Newspaper Worked in Louisville. It Didn’t End Well, Either.

Although her appointment was greeted with publicity and praise in many quarters, back in Louisville there was considerable grousing. A lot of the staff—most of them white males, many of them jealous—undercut Carol’s management. They said she was not home to run the shop (the fact was that she was encouraged to make many trips and to promote The Courier-Journal elsewhere). She was accused of making the newspaper too “light” (meaning feminine) by encouraging feature projects rather than hard news. And her passion for international affairs led some to complain that the newspaper suffered from “Afghanistanism,” meaning a preoccupation with stories about far away places that didn’t matter to “the Shively housewife,” as a typical C-J reader was nicknamed.

Backstabbing, and a Demotion

As writers have observed since that time, Carol’s predicament was similar to other career women of the day. Change had come rapidly but resistance was great, and often invidious backstabbing led to Carol’s demotion in the late spring of 1976. We were both in New York City at the time (for different reasons) but she chose to give me the news over an otherwise festive lunch at “21.” In retrospect, it was like a scene out of “Mad Men.” She was being moved to the publisher’s office, to work as his assistant on “tailored products.” It would be good, she said, because she had spent too much time away from her girls and her husband, Charles. What I also knew was that the stress of the job had led her to smoke—and sometimes to drink—more than she should.

97 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 5:06:30am

re: #95 Justanotherhuman

I was often seen as “pushy” or aggressive at work, but that didn’t mean I wasn’t polite to people. You simply can’t run roughshod over others, no matter who you are. I didn’t engage in petty gossip or tearing others down but tried to zero in on problems and got a lot of work done. If someone needed my help, they got it and I asked for help when I needed it as well to get the work out. I tried very hard to separate the work from my own personal feelings about others.

I pushed myself, not other people, but I don’t lie down and take neglect or abuse of any form, either.

As I mentioned above, I have no idea what Abramson’s interactions with others on the staff or in management were like. One thing that is clear from all this is that there are a lot of big egos in management at the Times (and doubtless on the editorial staff as well), and much more interoffice politics than readers probably ever knew.

98 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 5:11:26am

re: #96 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I know Keith Runyon. I taught his kids. He’s a good man. But I never met Carol Sutton Whaley, sadly.

Also sad is the fact that the Courier-Journal can no longer be counted as a major American newspaper any longer. It’s a Gannett rag now, and the lustre it enjoyed as a family-owned enterprise has tarnished since the sale to Gannett.

99 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 5:12:46am

re: #90 Rev_Arthur_Belling

There’s a lot of he said/she said (no pun intended) in this situation. There’s a question as to whether her style was thought of as “pushy” because she’s a she, questions of compensation, etc. I don’t know either way, but there’s a lot of NYT dirty laundry that’s coming to the surface here. I don’t think Sulzberger has covered himself in glory in the way he handled things either.

As for me, though, I’ve got out the popcorn and I’ll pop some later today. Because for Republicans, watching the New york Times being convulsed by accusations of sexism after all it has done to promote the idea of a ‘GOP War on Women’ is just plain fun to watch. Watching liberals go after a liberal newspaper has brought a smile to my face.

Hey, there are a fair number of liberal people here who cheer when conservatives get into internal spats. This is just the same thing in the other direction.

100 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 5:13:59am

It says we are going to have a nice day in my part of the world. So, far it is bright and the birds are awake.

No news yet on the allergy front.

101 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 5:14:51am

re: #97 Rev_Arthur_Belling

As I mentioned above, I have no idea what Abramson’s interactions with others on the staff or in management were like. One thing that is clear from all this is that there are a lot of big egos in management at the Times (and doubtless on the editorial staff as well), and much more interoffice politics than readers probably ever knew.

Well, we know of one shining example of when gigantic egos take over—GG. : )

102 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 5:17:27am

re: #100 FemNaziBitch

It says we are going to have a nice day in my part of the world. So, far it is bright and the birds are awake.

No news yet on the allergy front.

Supposedly a 68 here today w/maybe some showers. Very overcast right now, though, and chilly earlier (low was 43).

103 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 18, 2014 5:20:22am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

As for me, though, I’ve got out the popcorn and I’ll pop some later today. Because for Republicans, watching the New york Times being convulsed by accusations of sexism after all it has done to promote the idea of a ‘GOP War on Women’ is just plain fun to watch.

There is a very real GOP war on women, and acting as though the NYT is just promoting the idea of it is shameful on your part.

104 William Barnett-Lewis  May 18, 2014 5:21:22am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

promote the idea reality of a the ‘GOP War on Women’

FTFY. While I can understand your thinking, lets stick to the real world. Everyone fails to reach their ideals - some more spectacularly than others. This is different from the willful oppression of half the species.

Personally, I wish there actually was a leftist/liberal media in America. The Times is rather like the President - slightly left of the American center socially, slightly right of the American center fiscally which means they’re almost equal to, say, The Economist of London much of the time which is definitely fairly right of center by European standards.

Meanwhile Fox continues to fool the gullible with “fair and balanced” lies and continues to drag the political discourse of the nation over the cliff with the intent of drowning it in a cesspool.

105 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 5:24:23am

re: #98 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I know Keith Runyon. I taught his kids. He’s a good man. But I never met Carol Sutton Whaley, sadly.

Also sad is the fact that the Courier-Journal can no longer be counted as a major American newspaper any longer. It’s a Gannett rag now, and the lustre it enjoyed as a family-owned enterprise has tarnished since the sale to Gannett.

Everything Gannett touches turns to shit.

106 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 5:26:42am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

As for me, though, I’ve got out the popcorn and I’ll pop some later today. Because for Republicans, watching the New york Times being convulsed by accusations of sexism after all it has done to promote the idea of a ‘GOP War on Women’ is just plain fun to watch. Watching liberals go after a liberal newspaper has brought a smile to my face.

Hey, there are a fair number of liberal people here who cheer when conservatives get into internal spats. This is just the same thing in the other direction.

Um, the NYT is not a “liberal” newspaper. And there IS a GOP War on Women. There’s evidence of that littered throughout the pages and posts here. If you have any evidence to the contrary, bring it forward.

107 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 5:29:33am

re: #106 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Oh yes, the NY Times is liberal, and if you think it to be ‘middle-of-the-road’, then frankly your perceptions are skewed.

108 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 5:32:36am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

It’s still a mystery to me how you continue to defend the GOP when you’re here all the time slagging on the politicians at the top of the party, and the morons who vote in their primaries.

And now you’re cackling with glee because you think you’re seeing some hot liberal-on-liberal mudwrestling.

Meanwhile, the GOP has done absolutely nothing of value on the national political scene for at least the last 5 years.*

If you’re flogging a dead horse elephant, might be time to dismount.

* I’d argue they did nothing of value the 8 years before that, but that’s a different discussion.

109 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 5:34:12am

re: #104 William Barnett-Lewis

“The Times is rather like the President - slightly left of the American center socially, slightly right of the American center fiscally …”

That probably describes my politics for the last 30 yrs, except—I think when people need help in a horrible economy, or even in good times, they should get it, and I don’t think this President has neglected to try to get that done. It’s what Democrats do. No President will ever be allowed to go all out in what people considered “leftist” in fiscal policy because that’s not the way capitalism, which is tied to govt, works.

Anyone who thinks “liberals” or “leftists” are huge spendthrifts, well, they haven’t considered how the Republicans spend money, esp a 2 term President who financed 2 wars pretty much “off the books”. That’s the kind of waste, both human and monetary, with little results that makes up my “fiscal conservatism”.

110 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 5:36:12am

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

You obviously don’t read their opinion section, pay attention to the advertisements or the countless stories they run which caters to the 1 percent.

The NYT pushed Judith Miller’s reporting on WMDs in the run-up to the Iraq War 2 and withheld publication of NSA stories. If anything, the Times is too deferential to government, but I know of quite a few “progressive/liberal/whatever” people who would disagree with your assessment.

111 lawhawk  May 18, 2014 5:36:37am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

The NYT and Sulzberger may indeed be paying women less than men, but that’s not just a poor reflection on the NYT. It’s a symptom of a wider gender disparity in wages that is still a huge problem across the country and across business and industry.

Why is it that female CEOs are paid less than their male counterparts for the same work? Is there a shorter leash on when things go wrong when a woman is at the helm? Are there double standards when women are involved in the decision making? Yes.

That the Times’ Sulzberger engages in those same behaviors doesn’t discount the reporting on other businesses and industries where the problem exists. It’s something that has to be addressed across all businesses.

The Times has to clean up its act. No excuses. But the Times’ actions don’t discount what’s going on elsewhere.

112 William Barnett-Lewis  May 18, 2014 5:37:59am

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Oh yes, the NY Times is liberal, and if you think it to be ‘middle-of-the-road’, then frankly your perceptions are skewed.

Not ours - American as a whole. Fox has successfully moved the Overton window so far right that a newspaper that publishes content hardly distinguishable from The Economist is viewed by many as being liberal.

That’s the real damage they have done here and it continues as they attempt to continue to move the window further. Look at what CNN has degenerated into, for example, as they attempt to chase after the Fox demographic rather than after the news.

113 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 5:41:06am

5 minutes worth watching
Youtube Video

114 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 5:43:28am

115 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 5:44:06am

re: #112 William Barnett-Lewis

Not ours - American as a whole. Fox has successfully moved the Overton window so far right that a newspaper that publishes content hardly distinguishable from The Economist is viewed by many as being liberal.

That’s the real damage they have done here and it continues as they attempt to continue to move the window further. Look at what CNN has degenerated into, for example, as they attempt to chase after the Fox demographic rather than after the news.

News a product they are selling, not a service they are providing.

116 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 5:44:55am

re: #110 Rev_Arthur_Belling

The Times has withheld some NSA stories because its the New York Times. Back in 2001, its city got brutalized by the Al Qaeda scum that the NSA goes after. Since that time, the NYT has developed a limited willingness to support intelligence gathering in order to avert terrorist attacks.

Frankly, I don’t see intelligence matters as a liberal/conservative thing, because there are liberals such as Diane Feinstein who support intelligence gathering, and conservatives such as Rand Paul who oppose it.

117 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 5:46:19am

What War on Women?

118 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 5:47:38am

So, let’s take an informal poll:

Do you think women brought sin into the world?

119 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 18, 2014 5:47:56am

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

The Times has withheld some NSA stories because its the New York Times. Back in 2001, its city got brutalized by the Al Qaeda scum that the NSA goes after. Since that time, the NYT has developed a limited willingness to support intelligence gathering in order to avert terrorist attacks.

No, not since that time.

You have some weird fantasies about the NYT, Dark. It’s an incredibly establishment paper, it’s really not some wildly leftist place. The incredible rightward shift of the GOP in the last decade means that centrist, establishment places are farther away from the GOP, but that’s because the GOP has become a wildly reactionary, unconservative party.

The GOP advocates such extreme change to the US that I don’t get how anyone can honestly say they’re ‘conservative’ and yet support the GOP. The Democrats are far, far more conservative than the GOP these days.

120 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 5:54:13am

re: #114 FemNaziBitch

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Don’t forget to have these available. Those deter predators quite well if used correctly.

121 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 5:56:00am

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

Frankly, I don’t see intelligence matters as a liberal/conservative thing, because there are liberals such as Diane Feinstein who support intelligence gathering, and conservatives such as Rand Paul who oppose it.

Diane Feinstein is hardly what I’d consider “liberal.” Most would consider her center-left a la the DLC.

If you wanted to argue that the NYT represents a center-left east coast elite viewpoint, I would have no qualms with that. Some of their “flyover country” features are painful to read.

And, while I’ve got you here, D_F, do you consider the Chicago Tribune to be a liberal paper?

122 William Barnett-Lewis  May 18, 2014 5:56:28am

re: #119 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The Democrats are far, far more conservative than the GOP these days.

I’d bet Burke would be a Democrat, perhaps derided as a blue dog but perhaps not, if he were in the current congress. He would be rather more interested in rebuilding and restoring the best of what has been rather than radically ripping down to replace with nothing or worse.

123 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 5:56:32am
124 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 5:56:53am

re: #118 FemNaziBitch

So, let’s take an informal poll:

Do you think women brought sin into the world?

I’d have to believe in the concept of sin to answer that question.

125 b.d.  May 18, 2014 5:57:05am
Julian Castro to be tapped for HUD secretary

politico.com

Joining a Lame Duck and moving away from Texas as a stepping stone to bigger things? Mayor Bill White of Houston was a well known democrat and a loved two term mayor of Houston when he got his ass handed to him against Perry.

I don’t see this as a winning move for someone who is supposedly on the rise, this looks more like a sequel to the Henry Cisneros story.

126 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 5:58:17am

re: #121 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Diane Feinstein is hardly what I’d consider “liberal.” Most would consider her center-left a la the DLC.

If you wanted to argue that the NYT represents a center-left east coast elite viewpoint, I would have no qualms with that. Some of their “flyover country” features are painful to read.

And, while I’ve got you here, D_F, do you consider the Chicago Tribune to be a liberal paper?

No. The Sun-Times is left-of-center, but as a whole the Tribune is center-right.

127 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 5:59:42am

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

No. The Sun-Times is left-of-center, but as a whole the Tribune is center-right.

Does it really freakin’ matter?

An intelligent person should be able to gather the facts, check them against other sources and form their own opinion. Having other people label a publication isn’t really helpful.

128 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 6:02:00am

re: #118 FemNaziBitch

So, let’s take an informal poll:

Do you think women brought sin into the world?

No. Eve did take that apple, but her fault was her own, not the fault of all women for all time.

Note: I’m not a biblical literalist, I was just using the creation story to make a point.

129 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 6:02:43am

re: #127 FemNaziBitch

Does it really freakin’ matter?

An intelligent person should be able to gather the facts, check them against other sources and form their own opinion. Having other people label a publication isn’t really helpful.

RAB asked me a question, GGT. I was just answering it.

130 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 6:04:53am

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

I’d consider the Tribune’s edit board to be fiscally to the right. I haven’t seen their stances on social topics (gay marriage, abortion, legalization, etc.), but they have a libertarian streak as well in their editorials.

But this goes to the problem with labeling a paper with a particular political leaning, at least in the U.S. The “reporting” part of editorial is separate from the “opinion” part of editorial. Reporting on government malfeasance, gridlock, political shenanigans, social issues, etc. usually remains objective (with notable exceptions). Even the Wall Street Journal, whose editorial pages are a haven for the worst conservative blowhards, has an exceptional and well-balanced news team (for the moment).

There’s been research on this topic, D_F. You might look it up. Even though most print newsrooms are filled with self-described liberals, it mostly doesn’t show up in coverage.

This is excluding cable news, because cable news is a vast ideological battleground of “debate” between talking heads, with very little in the way of “news” content.

131 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 6:05:11am

re: #118 FemNaziBitch

So, let’s take an informal poll:

Do you think women brought sin into the world?

Facts not in evidence, your honor.

Define “sin.”

132 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 6:06:41am

Hashtag #whiteschools is certainly worth perusing.

Education never stops.

133 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 6:07:35am

re: #131 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Facts not in evidence, your honor.

Define “sin.”

I have no idea. I gather it’s the stiffening of the male sex organ.

134 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 6:10:33am

re: #133 FemNaziBitch

I have no idea. I gather it’s the stiffening of the male sex organ.

“Sin” is more disobeying God, and really not all about teh sexytime.

But like I said, I’d have to believe in sin to answer the original question.

135 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 6:12:18am

re: #133 FemNaziBitch

I have no idea. I gather it’s the stiffening of the male sex organ.

That’s the operational definition, but the Church fathers gussied it up with all kinds of fancy words and things.

Early patriarchal religions, some of which exist today, made the woman “the other” to counter the matriarchy and the power of the priestesses. If you look into the archaeological record, there are many figures of goddesses, but as patriarchies and male gods gained favor, the goddess religions were marginalized. You can catch glimpses of the goddess religions in the OT, mostly as something to be despised.

So Eve takes the blame for the banishment from Eden, even though Adam is just as culpable. He was punished, too, after all. And if some man does something wrong, if a woman is involved, it’s her fault.

Three thousand years of the same old shit.

136 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 18, 2014 6:12:30am

re: #122 William Barnett-Lewis

I’d bet Burke would be a Democrat, perhaps derided as a blue dog but perhaps not, if he were in the current congress. He would be rather more interested in rebuilding and restoring the best of what has been rather than radically ripping down to replace with nothing or worse.

I actually wrote an essay about how horrified of the GOP Burke would be, especially threatening to shut down the government. Burke, above all, wanted government to function.

The modern-day GOP are far too anarchic for Burke.

137 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 6:14:21am

re: #134 Rev_Arthur_Belling

“Sin” is more disobeying God, and really not all about the sexytime.

But like I said, I’d have to believe in sin to answer the original question.

Yeah, I get stuck on that part too.

Yet the the disobeying part seems to be always linked to sex. Why did the first disobedience noted involve it?

The whole scenario of the apple and such just doesn’t make any sense to me. It seems to be symbolism for desire/lust/sex. Yet, it still makes no sense if the only possible outcome is a new life (according to the fundamentalists). How can a new life be bad?

138 William Barnett-Lewis  May 18, 2014 6:14:49am

re: #134 Rev_Arthur_Belling

“Sin” is more disobeying God, and really not all about teh sexytime.

But like I said, I’d have to believe in sin to answer the original question.

A more useful definition is that sin is a conscious act that harms self or society. If one accepts the idea that god is trying to help humans create a better society, only then does the element of disobeying god come into play. That it’s been abused is no real surprise especially what with Augustine’s invention of the wholly non-biblical idea of “original sin” in order to give himself psychological salve for the life he’d lead.

139 Pie-onist Overlord  May 18, 2014 6:15:05am

re: #118 FemNaziBitch

So, let’s take an informal poll:

Do you think women brought sin into the world?

G-D created human beings with the ability to make decisions.

140 FemNaziBitch  May 18, 2014 6:16:16am

bbl

141 RealityBasedSteve  May 18, 2014 6:17:54am

re: #118 FemNaziBitch

So, let’s take an informal poll:

Do you think women brought sin into the world?

I’m going to have to remember that one… /evil_grin

RBS

142 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 18, 2014 6:18:24am

re: #137 FemNaziBitch

Part of the problem is that the Adam and Eve story is very inconsistent with Christianity; it’s also somewhat inconsistent with Rabbinical Judaism. It’s part of an older belief system. It’s an interesting story, since Adam and Eve are blamed for something they did when they literally didn’t know right from wrong—that was the knowledge that was brought to them by eating the apple.

143 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 6:24:31am

re: #137 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, I get stuck on that part too.

Yet the the disobeying part seems to be always linked to sex. Why did the first disobedience noted involve it?

The whole scenario of the apple and such just doesn’t make any sense to me. It seems to be symbolism for desire/lust/sex. Yet, it still makes no sense if the only possible outcome is a new life (according to the fundamentalists). How can a new life be bad?

If you wanted to go to the first disobedience outside the Garden of Eden, it’s Cain slaying Abel (or possibly Cain not offering a worthwhile sacrifice). Jealousy and murder would be the first two “sins.”

144 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 6:26:24am

re: #142 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Part of the problem is that the Adam and Eve story is very inconsistent with Christianity; it’s also somewhat inconsistent with Rabbinical Judaism. It’s part of an older belief system. It’s an interesting story, since Adam and Eve are blamed for something they did when they literally didn’t know right from wrong—that was the knowledge that was brought to them by eating the apple.

Going by the story, they were instructed by God not to eat from the tree. They knew that much.

145 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 6:32:51am

re: #137 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, I get stuck on that part too.

Yet the the disobeying part seems to be always linked to sex. Why did the first disobedience noted involve it?

The whole scenario of the apple and such just doesn’t make any sense to me. It seems to be symbolism for desire/lust/sex. Yet, it still makes no sense if the only possible outcome is a new life (according to the fundamentalists). How can a new life be bad?

I revised my previous answer to you above to work in the Adam and Eve story. IMO, the story emphasizes that we people are children, disobedient children, of a father god. He sets them up in a nice place, plenty of food to eat, warm enough not to need clothes, but he tests them. “Adam and Eve, those two trees’ fruit you can’t eat: the knowledge of good and evil, and immortality, are forbidden to you. Now, run along and play, I’m going walkabout. See you later.”

So the omniscient, omnipresent god goes walkabout, then is like totally surprised when Adam and Eve eat of the tree of knowledge, becoming in some sense more like god himself, Then he gets angry and kicks them out of the house. The original tough love.

The apple is not really about sex/love/lust, but about evil. A and E were innocent and pure, like little kids. Eating the fruit showed them there were not-so-nice ways to live, which will forever tempt them into “sin.”

146 Ryan King  May 18, 2014 6:33:38am

re: #118 FemNaziBitch

So, let’s take an informal poll:

Do you think women brought sin into the world?

That’s actually quite impressive, starting out as one rib and all.

147 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 6:35:32am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

And now, I have a pain behind my eye.

DF, I wish we were neighbors sometimes. I believe in my heart you are a good person and try to do your best to do the right thing whenever you can. I also think if we were friendly neighbors you would probably learn that many of your stereotypes about liberals are wrong. Plus, I like cooking for people and you might find yourself a guest at my dinner table once in awhile.

However, this blind loyalty to conservatism is really silly. Liberals and Democrats (and there are a LOT of conservative dems out there) aren’t all awful people hellbent on the destruction of the country. It makes me sad to see you cheer for something to fail when we need decent newspaper reporting and it’s going away FAST. This isn’t a sporting event, this is politics and policy we’re talking about bottom line and its effects and aftermath hurt real families. I wish you’d remember that before you start popping the popcorn. Yeah, this is “only” the NYT, but it’s been around for a very long time and to argue it’s some sort of liberal rag is ridiculous. I will say though that ALL newspapers in this country have messed up by not spending money on real investigative journalism, it’s a shame and I wish it would be fixed.

148 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 18, 2014 6:36:52am

re: #144 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Going by the story, they were instructed by God not to eat from the tree. They knew that much.

RIght. But they didn’t know good nor evil, so they didn’t know whether it was good or evil to obey that instruction. And in fact, the story doesn’t actually condemn the act as evil, just contrary to god’s wishes. The traditional Jewish interpretation of this is that obedience to god’s wishes is neither good nor evil but a seperate, even more important category, that free will is not just about choosing between good or evil, but also between disobedience or obedience to God. This is also part of the explanation for many of god’s “evil” acts, like slaughtering first-borns and commanding genocides.

149 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 6:38:09am

re: #137 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, I get stuck on that part too.

Yet the the disobeying part seems to be always linked to sex. Why did the first disobedience noted involve it?

I think the reason it gets linked to sex (especially in cases where fundies want women to cover up their bodies) is that, in the story, Eve ate the fruit* first, and then brought it to Adam, “tempting him” to eat the fruit. Therefore, women are temptresses.

It takes some squinting, but I’ve heard that “logic” presented in sermons before, and I’m positive that’s part of the reason for so much misogyny.

* The fruit was never called an apple in Genesis.

150 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 6:39:32am

Another aspect of all this women and sin discussion was the reputation of the priestesses, who no doubt lured “good boys” into their dens of sexytime. If you’re trying to get men to worship the father god, and keep them away from the more enticing goddess temples, you’ve got to demonize those priestesses (and sex, too) in some way. Back then, Yahweh/El was probably just one of many gods, and there was a lot of competition. Reading the OT, you see references to those other gods, which are not as powerful and wonderful as Yahweh/El, or are false gods.

151 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 6:41:21am

re: #148 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

And in fact, the story doesn’t actually condemn the act as evil, just contrary to god’s wishes. The traditional Jewish interpretation of this is that obedience to god’s wishes is neither good nor evil but a seperate, even more important category, that free will is not just about choosing between good or evil, but also between disobedience or obedience to God.

Yeah, which was why I said that “sin” is disobedience to god above. I think we agree about that. The genocides and stuff is just weird. The whole OT sounds like it could be a Game of Thrones subplot.

152 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 6:41:51am

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

Come out and join the debate, ‘cuzIsaidso’. Don’t be a chickenhearted stealth-dinger.

153 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 6:43:41am

re: #149 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I think the reason it gets linked to sex (especially in cases where fundies want women to cover up their bodies) is that, in the story, Eve ate the fruit* first, and then brought it to Adam, “tempting him” to eat the fruit. Therefore, women are temptresses.

It takes some squinting, but I’ve heard that “logic” presented in sermons before, and I’m positive that’s part of the reason for so much misogyny.

* The fruit was never called an apple in Genesis.

If Adam ate the fruit because Eve offered to bang him, then he was one kind of stupid. That whole Lilith experience must have slipped his mind.

Also, Eve’s tempting Adam ties in with the priestess cults that were active then. Maybe the Adam and Eve story was an attack on those cults.

154 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 6:45:59am

re: #153 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

If Adam ate the fruit because Eve offered to bang him, then he was one kind of stupid. That whole Lilith experience must have slipped his mind.

Also, Eve’s tempting Adam ties in with the priestess cults that were active then. Maybe the Adam and Eve story was an attack on those cults.

Ha! Glad I wasn’t sipping coffee when I read that first paragraph.

To the second, I imagine that was probably part of it (the cult thing), but I was sticking to the text as we have it now and how it’s interpreted by fundamentalists/evangelicals in the U.S. They don’t really mention anything about goddess worship. :)

155 Charles Johnson  May 18, 2014 6:46:26am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

As for me, though, I’ve got out the popcorn and I’ll pop some later today. Because for Republicans, watching the New york Times being convulsed by accusations of sexism after all it has done to promote the idea of a ‘GOP War on Women’ is just plain fun to watch. Watching liberals go after a liberal newspaper has brought a smile to my face.

Hey, there are a fair number of liberal people here who cheer when conservatives get into internal spats. This is just the same thing in the other direction.

There IS a GOP war on women. After all the posts at LGF about the shocking misogyny of so many Republicans and the non-stop efforts to strip women of the right to control their own bodies, it’s kind of amazing you’d try to deny it.

156 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 6:46:47am

re: #153 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

If Adam ate the fruit because Eve offered to bang him, then he was one kind of stupid. That whole Lilith experience must have slipped his mind.

Also, Eve’s tempting Adam ties in with the priestess cults that were active then. Maybe the Adam and Eve story was an attack on those cults.

Of course Adam was “one kind of stupid”… he was a man. Men have been known to do seriously stupid things when they get horny.

157 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 6:47:02am

It might be good to mention at this point that I’m not actually a Reverend, but I did graduate from seminary. The nym is a Monty Python character. ;)

158 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 6:48:07am

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

Of course Adam was “one kind of stupid”… he was a man. Men have been known to do seriously stupid things when they get horny.

FTFY. Aka, “Hold my beer and watch this …”

159 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 6:49:37am

re: #154 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Ha! Glad I wasn’t sipping coffee when I read that first paragraph.

To the second, I imagine that was probably part of it (the cult thing), but I was sticking to the text as we have it now and how it’s interpreted by fundamentalists/evangelicals in the U.S. They don’t really mention anything about goddess worship. :)

Well, they like to pretend that there was only One God, and the other “gods” and “goddesses” mentioned in the OT are false idols. In fact, Yahweh, Baal, Asherah, El, etc., were part of the Canaanite pantheon. Yahweh ended up the winner in the popularity contest, because his followers managed to wipe out everyone else, I suspect.

160 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 6:50:23am

re: #114 FemNaziBitch

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They shouldn’t, but I don’t think the writer of that notice understands teen boys very well, boys whose hormones are raging, even if girls’ aren’t. In summer, clothes act as a protective item, absorbing sweat and sun. I wouldn’t want to see guys shirtless and in running shorts in school, either.

Everything to do with what they don’t understand about females turns boys on. I raised 2 boys; I know how they were and even though I’m a feminist, there was no stopping it, even though I wanted them to see women as human beings with a brain and other attributes. But getting together with their peers to snicker over a Playboy or Hustler was what they did, along with trying desperately to have their first sexual experience other than masturbating. The entire culture, which promotes sex at every turn (it sells stuff!), needs an overhaul, and we’re only chipping away at it. Until boys start getting messages about their own sexual responsibility, girls are going to have to think about who they’re dealing with. And we are seeing sexual acting out at even younger ages now.

Towards a Better Understanding of Children’s Sexual Behavior

aboutourkids.org

161 jonhendry  May 18, 2014 6:51:06am

re: #81 Justanotherhuman

In Rio and Sao Paulo, police kill one person out of every 23 that are in police custody.

In the US, it’s about 1 in 37,000.

For GG, it’s no big deal.

162 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 6:53:05am

re: #159 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

You know that, and I know that. But the vast majority of fundamentalists (clergy and lay) don’t. Their training in historical/archaeological matters related to their sacred texts is woefully inadequate and - at times - disingenuous

163 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 6:56:36am

re: #160 Justanotherhuman

There was a women scientist a few years back who wrote a book about the sexuality of children. I don’t remember the title now. Her premise — and it’s a good one — is that sex is inherent to growing up as is peeing or learning how to talk. Children are curious about sex even when they are in primary school. They may not understand the nuances and dangers of sexual activity, but they sure do suspect that sex must be a lot of fun. Anyway, the writer argues that adults need to recognize that children have sexual thoughts and impulses, that their interest doesn’t suddenly switch on during puberty. it just becomes more intense.

164 Ryan King  May 18, 2014 6:57:35am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

There is a GOP War on Women, it’s not a liberal concept that’s merely promoted.

And on top of that, no objective inquiry into Abram’s allegations. It’s just ideological shadenfreude to you.

165 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 6:59:49am

re: #162 Rev_Arthur_Belling

You know that, and I know that. But the vast majority of fundamentalists (clergy and lay) don’t. Their training in historical/archaeological matters related to their sacred texts is woefully inadequate and - at times - disingenuous

Fundies do not recognize the need or validity of scholarly research into the cultures depicted in the Bible, unless such research accidentally confirms something mentioned in the Bible. They would prefer to believe that the people of the OT existed in some kind of cultural oasis, completely separate and immune from the dominant cultures of the Mid East.

166 William Barnett-Lewis  May 18, 2014 6:59:50am

Off to church. BBL

167 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 7:01:14am

re: #160 Justanotherhuman

I agree with this to a point, but on the flip side, it’s hot outside and as long as the shorts aren’t super short, then the girls should be able to wear what’s comfortable and the boys need to learn to shush their faces about it. Hormones and growing up too fast lead to all kinds of impulsive stupidity to be sure, but boys need to learn that girls are everywhere and dressed all kinds of ways and none of that makes them property or entertainment for boys. You know this of course, these are just my thoughts on the matter having just recently had a boy in high school and now in a school with other young ladies and men in their early 20’s.

I walk my dog by a middle school every day during first period gym class which is held outside until it gets too cold for it. It’s GA, it’s acky and humid sometimes a lot of mornings, and I only see tee shirts and gym shorts out there. And honestly, I think a lot of the bullshit dress codes (like we can’t see your bra straps ladies, or, what? Something something) come from adults who spend WAY too much time gawking at and thinking about teens and sex. Which concerns me more than what the teens may or may not be doing.

168 ObserverArt  May 18, 2014 7:01:30am

Morning all.

Pretty heavy conversations going on this Sunday morning.

As far as this liberal/conservative conversation…the problem comes down to one thing to me. We have a two-party system. We also have 330 million people.

How the hell do you get 330 million people to fit into either A or B???

Can’t be done. If we were to design new political parties to actually reflect the real politics of those 330 million, we’d probably need 30 political parties (An arbitrary number to make a point).

Yeah, 30 political parties, maybe more to categorize all the different subtleties in peoples thinking about law, economy, rights, civic needs, military/defense, foreign policy…etc.

But that doesn’t work either. How do you hold elections that would allow people to vote on 30 candidates? How do you even get the country to understand what the 30 parties stand for?

So, we have 2. Sometimes we get an independent or a libertarian, or some other.

I’m glad we have a two party system. In a way it prevents some of the nuttiness that goes on in the countries that have many parties. But we have to remember you have to cram so many different viewpoints that would probably be served better by having 30 different parties down into two.

So, there really is no clear way to stick the average American into one of two parties. So many try to make that clear A or B designation, and you can’t. I see it as foolish to think anyone or anything is clearly pure Republican or Pure Democrat.

And to tie that into the religious theme also going on…we know that no one is ‘pure’ in anything!

169 Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2014 7:02:08am

re: #163 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

There was a women scientist a few years back who wrote a book about the sexuality of children. I don’t remember the title now. Her premise — and it’s a good one — is that sex is inherent to growing up as is peeing or learning how to talk. Children are curious about sex even when they are in primary school. They may not understand the nuances and dangers of sexual activity, but they sure do suspect that sex must be a lot of fun. Anyway, the writer argues that adults need to recognize that children have sexual thoughts and impulses, that their interest doesn’t suddenly switch on during puberty. it just becomes more intense.

If I’m not mistaken, there’s a reference to that idea in Brave New World.

170 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 7:04:44am

re: #163 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

There was a women scientist a few years back who wrote a book about the sexuality of children. I don’t remember the title now. Her premise — and it’s a good one — is that sex is inherent to growing up as is peeing or learning how to talk. Children are curious about sex even when they are in primary school. They may not understand the nuances and dangers of sexual activity, but they sure do suspect that sex must be a lot of fun. Anyway, the writer argues that adults need to recognize that children have sexual thoughts and impulses, that their interest doesn’t suddenly switch on during puberty. it just becomes more intense.

We’re sexual beings, yes. When I was 6, curiosity drove some of us to engage in the old “show me yours and I’ll show you mine”.

That doesn’t mean, however, that people can’t be taught what is appropriate and what isn’t at certain stages of development. It’s also why we have laws…

171 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 7:08:06am

re: #168 ObserverArt

I might be wrong about this, but it seems to me that the more parties you have, the smaller the group of people controlling things. So if you had those 30 parties, in theory less than 10 percent of the voters could rule the roost so to speak. I thought the idea of a 2 party system was to have different factions within it that would work on a consensus of some sort, or at least compromise. Coming up with a party platform and goals to work toward. Sadly what we’ve been seeing instead is a lot of infighting and using the rules in any way possible to stop progress, hell half the time there’s no discussion being allowed to bring things up for a vote because one side will have none of it and can’t allow the other side even the smallest victories for political reasons. It’s frustrating to say the least.

172 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 7:09:14am

re: #167 A Mom Anon

I agree with this to a point, but on the flip side, it’s hot outside and as long as the shorts aren’t super short, then the girls should be able to wear what’s comfortable and the boys need to learn to shush their faces about it. Hormones and growing up too fast lead to all kinds of impulsive stupidity to be sure, but boys need to learn that girls are everywhere and dressed all kinds of ways and none of that makes them property or entertainment for boys. You know this of course, these are just my thoughts on the matter having just recently had a boy in high school and now in a school with other young ladies and men in their early 20’s.

I walk my dog by a middle school every day during first period gym class which is held outside until it gets too cold for it. It’s GA, it’s acky and humid sometimes a lot of mornings, and I only see tee shirts and gym shorts out there. And honestly, I think a lot of the bullshit dress codes (like we can’t see your bra straps ladies, or, what? Something something) come from adults who spend WAY too much time gawking at and thinking about teens and sex. Which concerns me more than what the teens may or may not be doing.

Boys and men are going to gawk at women, at least sometimes. I do my best not to, but I still find myself staring at times. I think the difference is more that I stop myself when I do realize I’m staring or if it is brought to my attention. Because I know I shouldn’t, but at the same time I also know I sometimes will.

Men can override their bio-programming, but the override is almost always going to be incomplete.

173 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 7:11:44am

re: #170 Justanotherhuman

We’re sexual beings, yes. When I was 6, curiosity drove some of us to engage in the old “show me yours and I’ll show you mine”.

That doesn’t mean, however, that people can’t be taught what is appropriate and what isn’t at certain stages of development. It’s also why we have laws…

Of course, but some adults seem absolutely shocked that teens or even younger kids want to know (or experience) sex. They imagine it’s only an adult thing, separate from the “innocence” of youth.

The only people who get their noses out of joint about visible bra straps are the adults in schools. If every other girl is showing her bra strap, I don’t think many boys are going to get all hot and bothered by seeing them.

174 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 7:13:19am

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think it’s fair to ask men to shut down, just to realize that women are just as human as they are and they have the right to feel comfortable wherever they are however they’re dressed. When people humanize one another it makes things a bit easier. Not easy in this culture to be sure. We all have certain things that catch our attention about other people, but the key is how we react socially to those things. Men can have a hard time getting that they mostly don’t have to worry about stuff like where they go alone, especially at night, or if their mode of dress might lead to sexual harassment. And honestly, sometimes it matters not a whit what you’re dressed like, some men do that crap for sport just because.

175 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 7:14:57am

BBL, chores and stuff are calling. Enjoy the day lizards.

176 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 7:18:52am

re: #174 A Mom Anon

I don’t think it’s fair to ask men to shut down, just to realize that women are just as human as they are and they have the right to feel comfortable wherever they are however they’re dressed. When people humanize one another it makes things a bit easier. Not easy in this culture to be sure. We all have certain things that catch our attention about other people, but the key is how we react socially to those things. Men can have a hard time getting that they mostly don’t have to worry about stuff like where they go alone, especially at night, or if their mode of dress might lead to sexual harassment. And honestly, sometimes it matters not a whit what you’re dressed like, some men do that crap for sport just because.

Our culture is very repressed about many things, despite our proclamations of “freedom.”

177 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 7:19:54am

re: #173 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Of course, but some adults seem absolutely shocked that teens or even younger kids want to know (or experience) sex. They imagine it’s only an adult thing, separate from the “innocence” of youth.

The only people who get their noses out of joint about visible bra straps are the adults in schools. If every other girl is showing her bra strap, I don’t think many boys are going to get all hot and bothered by seeing them.

There’s a song that expresses this well. The band’s left wing, but the song’s good:

Youtube Video

178 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 7:20:56am

re: #167 A Mom Anon

I agree with this to a point, but on the flip side, it’s hot outside and as long as the shorts aren’t super short, then the girls should be able to wear what’s comfortable and the boy’s need to learn to shush their faces about it. Hormones and growing up too fast lead to all kinds of impulsive stupidity to be sure, but boys need to learn that girls are everywhere and dressed all kinds of ways and none of that makes them property or entertainment for boys. You know this of course, these are just my thoughts on the matter having just recently had a boy in high school and now in a school with other young ladies and men in their early 20’s.

I walk my dog by a middle school every day during first period gym class which is held outside until it gets too cold for it. It’s GA, it’s acky and humid sometimes a lot of mornings, and I only see tee shirts and gym shorts out there. And honestly, I think a lot of the bullshit dress codes (like we can’t see your bra straps ladies, or, what? Something something) come from adults who spend WAY too much time gawking at and thinking about teens and sex. Which concerns me more than what the teens may or may not be doing.

There’s nothing wrong with shorts (no Daisy Dukes, though, with ass hanging out) and a sleeveless or tshirt, but crop tops with hip huggers just seems inappropriate to me. School is the “work place” for kids, and I knows this country is pretty anti-intellectual, but sheeesh, save those for later if they have to. Kids have enough distractions as it is.

Newer schools around here have A/C; in fact, even the oldest elementary down the road now has it; I can’t vouch for others. If schools don’t have A/C, they should install it. Problem solved totally.

179 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 7:26:41am

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

There’s a song that expresses this well. The band’s left wing, but the song’s good:

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Video

Just out of curiosity, is there a list out there somewhere that identifies all bands by their political bent? I know next to nothing about MCR, other than I’ve heard a couple of their songs on the radio. Where are you getting that they’re “left wing”?

I could understand if you were talking about Rage Against the Machine, for instance, but just curious why you feel the need to label this band as “left wing.”

180 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 7:30:27am

re: #174 A Mom Anon

I don’t think it’s fair to ask men to shut down, just to realize that women are just as human as they are and they have the right to feel comfortable wherever they are however they’re dressed. When people humanize one another it makes things a bit easier. Not easy in this culture to be sure. We all have certain things that catch our attention about other people, but the key is how we react socially to those things. Men can have a hard time getting that they mostly don’t have to worry about stuff like where they go alone, especially at night, or if their mode of dress might lead to sexual harassment. And honestly, sometimes it matters not a whit what you’re dressed like, some men do that crap for sport just because.

If it mattered, women of all ages, even elderly ones, would not be raped.

Because it’s about power, not how you’re dressed.

181 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 7:30:38am

re: #179 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Just out of curiosity, is there a list out there somewhere that identifies all bands by their political bent? I know next to nothing about MCR, other than I’ve heard a couple of their songs on the radio. Where are you getting that they’re “left wing”?

I could understand if you were talking about Rage Against the Machine, for instance, but just curious why you feel the need to label this band as “left wing.”

D_F sounds like my dad, who said Joan Baez was a commie, but she still sang really good.

182 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 7:35:03am

re: #179 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Just out of curiosity, is there a list out there somewhere that identifies all bands by their political bent? I know next to nothing about MCR, other than I’ve heard a couple of their songs on the radio. Where are you getting that they’re “left wing”?

I could understand if you were talking about Rage Against the Machine, for instance, but just curious why you feel the need to label this band as “left wing.”

Their songs strike me as having a ‘left angle’, is all.

183 darthstar  May 18, 2014 7:37:11am

Mornin’ everyone…I love this.

184 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 7:38:57am

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

Their songs strike me as having a ‘left angle’, is all.

I think you’ve internalized your politics a bit too much. Do you also look at art and photos and classify them as left wing or right wing? What I am suggesting is that we can enjoy a band’s music without needing to classify it on the political spectrum.

185 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 7:39:48am

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

Their songs strike me as having a ‘left angle’, is all.

Well, maybe it would be better phrased as “they sound left-wing to me.” Which still doesn’t mean politics should be dragged into every song and taped to a band like a scarlet letter. I have artists in my iTunes library whose politics I doubtless disagree with, but that doesn’t prevent me from appreciating the songs for what they are: songs. Especially when a song doesn’t have an overt political message (lost love, existential questions, etc.), the political leanings of certain band members shouldn’t enter into the discussion.

That said, if someone is as overtly political as to be a stupid hack (like Ted Nugent, for instance), then I will call them out on their politics and probably not listen to their music.

Edit: #184 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window put it more succinctly.

186 darthstar  May 18, 2014 7:43:11am

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

Their songs strike me as having a ‘left angle’, is all.

Music in general is an expression of positive energy and emotion…even wingnut Charlie Daniels sounds like he has a left angle in his song “Uneasy Rider”

“You may not know it but this man is a spy.
He’s a undercover agent for the FBI
And he’s been sent down here to infiltrate the Ku Klux Klan!”

He was still bent over holdin on to his knee
But everybody else was looking and listening to me
And I laid it on thicker and heavier as I went

I said, “Would you believe this man has gone as far
As tearing Wallace stickers off the bumpers of cars.
And he voted for George McGovern for President.”

“Well, he’s a friend of them long haired, hippy-type, pinko fags!
I betchya he’s even got a commie flag
tacked up on the wall inside of his garage.”

“He’s a snake in the grass, I tell ya guys.
He may look dumb but that’s just a disguise,
He’s a mastermind in the ways of espionage”

They all started lookin real suspicious at him
And he jumped up and said “Now just wait a minute Jim!
You know he’s lying I been living here all of my life!”

“I’m a faithful follower of Brother John Birch
And I belong to the Antioch Baptist Church.
And I ain’t even got a garage, you can call home and ask my wife!”

I mean, hell…Charlie’s mocking the fuck out of his most loyal fans.

Youtube Video

187 klys  May 18, 2014 7:44:09am

St Patrick’s Cathedral, Dublin, Ireland.

Seems appropriate for a Sunday image. Colors deliberately muted because I liked the picture better that way.

188 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 7:46:16am

re: #185 Rev_Arthur_Belling

If the song isn’t political, I don’t bring up the band or singer’s politics. But how this country views and acts towards teenagers is political and it has been for my entire lifetime. It really shouldn’t be, and it’s not something I encourage, but it is a fact on the ground.

189 darthstar  May 18, 2014 7:47:55am

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

If the song isn’t political, I don’t bring up the band or singer’s politics. But how this country views and acts towards teenagers is political and it has been for my entire lifetime. It really shouldn’t be, and it’s not something I encourage, but it is a fact on the ground.

Jesus…I’m so sorry. How long have you been a teenager?

190 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 7:49:12am

re: #189 darthstar

Jesus…I’m so sorry. How long have you been a teenager?

Nothing wrong with that. Dick Clark managed OK being the world’s oldest teenager.

191 darthstar  May 18, 2014 7:51:56am

re: #190 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Nothing wrong with that. Dick Clark managed OK being the world’s oldest teenager.

True…but the 80s had to have been hell on him. So much of that music sucked.

192 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 7:52:56am

re: #186 darthstar

Music in general is an expression of positive energy and emotion…even wingnut Charlie Daniels sounds like he has a left angle in his song “Uneasy Rider”

I mean, hell…Charlie’s mocking the fuck out of his most loyal fans.

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That was before Charlie got religion and changed his political outlook. That said, I like most of his old stuff.

When I was a kid, I would not listen to country music. As I got older, though, I began to appreciate the older stuff, and I have no idea what kind of politics this poet, a great songwriter who left too soon, possessed. His son, however, can kiss off, AFAIC.

This is one of my favorite songs of all time. You have to listen to the words. This is a live performance.

Youtube Video

193 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 7:53:16am

re: #191 darthstar

True…but the 80s had to have been hell on him. So much of that music sucked.

It aged him, for sure.

Maybe it sucked, but I still get ’80s earworms every once in a while.

194 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 7:54:22am

re: #192 Justanotherhuman

For my benefit, since I can’t get to YouTube reliably, who and what is it?

195 ObserverArt  May 18, 2014 7:55:45am

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

Their songs strike me as having a ‘left angle’, is all.

Is reality right- or left-leaning???

And since you seem to like everything to be black or white, A or B…if you are not a progressive (liberal) are you regressive (conservative)?

Which goes to my ramble about the two party system. Nothing easily fits into any simple black or white or A or B answer.

196 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 7:56:31am

re: #194 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

For my benefit, since I can’t get to YouTube reliably, who and what is it?

It’s Hank Williams, “I’m So Lonesome I Could Cry”:

Hear that lonesome whippoorwill
He sounds too blue to fly
The midnight train is whining low
I’m so lonesome I could cry

I’ve never seen a night so long
When time goes crawling by
The moon just went behind the clouds
To hide its face and cry

Did you ever see a robin weep
When leaves begin to die?
Like me, he’s lost the will to live
I’m so lonesome I could cry

The silence of a falling star
Lights up a purple sky
And as I wonder where you are
I’m so lonesome I could cry

197 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 7:57:15am

re: #191 darthstar

True…but the 80s had to have been hell on him. So much of that music sucked.

Hey now! Every decade has its share of suck. There were a lot of good indie bands in the 80s.

198 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 7:58:59am

re: #196 Justanotherhuman

I knew it was Hank Sr. when you mentioned his son lol

199 Sergey Romanov  May 18, 2014 8:04:40am

re: #118 FemNaziBitch

So, let’s take an informal poll:

Do you think women brought sin into the world?

I don’t believe in the concept of sin, so, no. Acc. to the Christian Bible - yes.

1 Timothy 2:13𠄱4
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

200 Killgore Trout  May 18, 2014 8:05:42am

Official: Head of Syrian air defense killed

The head of Syria’s air defenses was killed in clashes near the capital, Damascus, a government official and activists said Sunday, one of a few high-ranking military officers to be killed in the country’s 3-year-old civil war.

Lt. Gen. Hussein Ishaq died Saturday as rebels attacked a Syrian air defense base near the town of Mleiha, the official said. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to brief journalists about Ishaq’s death.

201 ObserverArt  May 18, 2014 8:06:06am

re: #192 Justanotherhuman

That was before Charlie got religion and changed his political outlook. That said, I like most of his old stuff.

When I was a kid, I would not listen to country music. As I got older, though, I began to appreciate the older stuff, and I have no idea what kind of politics this poet, a great songwriter who left too soon, possessed. His son, however, can kiss off, AFAIC.

This is one of my favorite songs of all time. You have to listen to the words. This is a live performance.

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Yeah…Sonny boy Williams is an idiot. Dad Hank was a great songwriter. He gets classified as country, which I understand, but he could really write a song, and they can be played and be understood by everyone. I put Willie Nelson in the same category.

By the way, for the music junkies out there that like Hank Williams songs…did any of you ever listen to The The’s Hanky Panky?

Here is a sample from the album…it is a great homage to Hank. There is a tear in my beer

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202 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 8:07:20am

re: #196 Justanotherhuman

I also guessed it was Hank, but wanted to be sure of the song. Hank Sr. still had some of country’s folk-song roots in his music, before the “Nashville sound” took over and glitzed everything up.

I used to look down my nose at country music for a long time, but in time learned to appreciate that there are some fine musicians and songwriters there. I even like Taylor Swift now. She’s big here in China, especially among the female students.

203 Killgore Trout  May 18, 2014 8:08:08am

Rogue Libyan general’s troops attack parliament

Forces loyal to a rogue Libyan general attacked the country’s parliament Sunday, forcing lawmakers to flee an assault his spokesman said targeted Islamists there who protect the extremist militias now plaguing the nation.

204 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 8:09:31am

re: #198 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I knew it was Hank Sr. when you mentioned his son lol

Yes, a short life. HW was born with spina bifida occulta, a disorder of the spinal column, which gave him lifelong pain—a factor in his later abuse of alcohol and drugs. He died aged 29.

He met Rufus Payne, a black street performer who gave him guitar lessons in exchange for meals or money.

en.wikipedia.org

205 Sergey Romanov  May 18, 2014 8:10:42am

re: #142 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Part of the problem is that the Adam and Eve story is very inconsistent with Christianity; it’s also somewhat inconsistent with Rabbinical Judaism. It’s part of an older belief system. It’s an interesting story, since Adam and Eve are blamed for something they did when they literally didn’t know right from wrong—that was the knowledge that was brought to them by eating the apple.

The Mormon version, while ad hoc, at least makes some sense. The Fall was deliberate - Adam (Archangel Michael) fell so that men may be, and men are, so that they may have joy.

206 ObserverArt  May 18, 2014 8:11:28am

re: #197 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Hey now! Every decade has its share of suck. There were a lot of good indie bands in the 80s.

Thanks for that comment Rev. Too many times people judge music on the main pop stations and what is considered popular.

If that is the rating method, then a whole hell of a lot of eras suck.

207 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 18, 2014 8:13:52am

re: #206 ObserverArt

Thanks for that comment Rev. Too many times people judge music on the main pop stations and what is considered popular.

If that is the rating method, then a whole hell of a lot of eras suck.

Also, independent broadcasting had all but died out in that decade and did not come back until later.

208 Sergey Romanov  May 18, 2014 8:14:29am

re: #159 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Well, they like to pretend that there was only One God, and the other “gods” and “goddesses” mentioned in the OT are false idols. In fact, Yahweh, Baal, Asherah, El, etc., were part of the Canaanite pantheon. Yahweh ended up the winner in the popularity contest, because his followers managed to wipe out everyone else, I suspect.

Well, the Tanakh contains lots of wiping out during the conquest of Canaan. But we know from archaeology that no such conquest happened. So I guess it was sort of a natural selection.

209 ObserverArt  May 18, 2014 8:14:49am

re: #202 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I also guessed it was Hank, but wanted to be sure of the song. Hank Sr. still had some of country’s folk-song roots in his music, before the “Nashville sound” took over and glitzed everything up.

I used to look down my nose at country music for a long time, but in time learned to appreciate that there are some fine musicians and songwriters there. I even like Taylor Swift now. She’s big here in China, especially among the female students.

I look at Hank and Willie as America balladeers. Again, a great song can be played in many styles, by many artists and be understood by all. One of the great things about a great song. It will cut across all lines.

Hell, it might even be accepted on both side of the political spectrum too.

210 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 8:16:00am

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Official: Head of Syrian air defense killed

re: #203 Killgore Trout

Rogue Libyan general’s troops attack parliament

yawn,,,,,

211 Sergey Romanov  May 18, 2014 8:16:55am

Which reminds me - did Buck get banned or did he just get tired?

212 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 8:17:31am

re: #205 Sergey Romanov

men are, so that they may have joy.

I tried to have Joy once

She said no!

213 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 8:18:08am

re: #207 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Also, independent broadcasting had all but died out in that decade and did not come back until later.

Well, college radio was a lot more of an influence back then in propelling indie bands, as was MTV’s 120 minutes. Anyone remember that show? I discovered so many bands through that.

But R.E.M., Violent Femmes, Husker Du, Replacements, etc., etc., etc. - lots of good stuff in the 80s, you just usually had to go to the “Import” bins to find it.

214 darthstar  May 18, 2014 8:19:30am

re: #198 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I knew it was Hank Sr. when you mentioned his son lol

Hank 3 is also a bit of an asshole, but at least he’s a talented asshole. I love listening to his stuff. Sounds a lot like Hank WIlliams Sr. when you listen to him. Here are a couple of samples where you can hear the resemblence:

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215 Sergey Romanov  May 18, 2014 8:19:57am

re: #212 sattv4u2

men are, so that they may have joy.

I tried to have Joy once

She said no!

Your whole life has been in vain!

216 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 8:20:19am

re: #202 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I see Taylor Swift as just another pop star, even though she plays an instrument, there’s not much “country” there. There are so many in “country” nowadays you can’t even count ‘em.

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217 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 8:21:07am

Ah well

It’s a rainy night day in Georgia

Think I’ll go wander around the farmers market for dinner inspiration!

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218 Killgore Trout  May 18, 2014 8:21:13am

re: #210 sattv4u2

yawn,,,,,

Spring!

219 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 8:21:49am

re: #215 Sergey Romanov

Your whole life has been in vain!

A Vain In Spain Falls Mainly On Des Plaines

220 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 8:22:11am

re: #218 Killgore Trout

Spring!

I actually had typed that 1st, then changed it

221 darthstar  May 18, 2014 8:22:36am

re: #218 Killgore Trout

Spring!

Did you catch the American Spring on Friday? Man, that was something! I’m not sure what, but it was something.

222 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 8:22:50am

re: #204 Justanotherhuman

Yes, a short life. HW was born with spina bifida occulta, a disorder of the spinal column, which gave him lifelong pain—a factor in his later abuse of alcohol and drugs. He died aged 29.

He met Rufus Payne, a black street performer who gave him guitar lessons in exchange for meals or money.

en.wikipedia.org

I discovered HW Sr. through my stepfather’s record collection (which he never played). My grandfather was into old school country, which wasn’t my taste growing up, but I appreciated it more over time, and there’s a lot of folk/blues/bluegrass influence on that style of country.

I progressed with music sorta like I progressed with food. When I was a spoiled teenage punk, I had a very picky palate. As I’ve aged, my palate has expanded, and I enjoy many more forms and styles of music.

223 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 8:23:17am

re: #215 Sergey Romanov

Your whole life has been in vain!

I knew a girl whose whole life has been in vein. She works in a the Red Cross Bloodmobile

224 darthstar  May 18, 2014 8:25:22am

re: #223 sattv4u2

I knew a girl whose whole life has been in vein. She works in a the Red Cross Bloodmobile

I no wanna wa-ait in vein for your blood.

225 Sergey Romanov  May 18, 2014 8:25:45am

re: #223 sattv4u2

I knew a girl whose whole life has been in vein. She works in a the Red Cross Bloodmobile

Sounds like the beginning of a tragic story.

226 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 8:25:53am

re: #224 darthstar

I no wanna wa-ait in vein for your blood.

I’ll bet that sounded a whole lot better in your head than reading it here!

227 Killgore Trout  May 18, 2014 8:25:57am

I was expecting to find he’s somehow affiliated with the Muslim Bros but he has closer ties to the US…
Khalifa Belqasim Haftar

228 Amory Blaine  May 18, 2014 8:26:48am

Yeah when the NYT comes out for nationalizing the oil companies and calling “school reform” what it is, a callous cash grab at the expense of the poor then I’ll believe it’s liberal.

229 darthstar  May 18, 2014 8:26:57am

re: #223 sattv4u2

You’re so vein you probably thing this phlebotomist about you.

230 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 8:27:19am

re: #229 darthstar

You’re so vein you probably thing this phlebotomist about you.

Is her name Joy?

231 sattv4u2  May 18, 2014 8:27:27am

OUTSKIES!!!

bbl

232 Killgore Trout  May 18, 2014 8:28:15am

re: #221 darthstar

Did you catch the American Spring on Friday? Man, that was something! I’m not sure what, but it was something.

Meh, a handful of loony douchebags but they were peaceful douchebags. Like a fart in the breeze they are gone.

233 jaunte  May 18, 2014 8:29:41am

There’s a Philip K. Dick story in there somewhere.

234 Pie-onist Overlord  May 18, 2014 8:30:08am

Let’s feed Bryan to the bears.

235 Amory Blaine  May 18, 2014 8:30:36am

As if our public university trained professionals need Exxon CEOs to suck oil out of the peoples ground with a straw. Yeah no.

236 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 8:30:59am

re: #216 Justanotherhuman

I see Taylor Swift as just another pop star, even though she plays an instrument, there’s not much “country” there. There are so many in “country” nowadays you can’t even count ‘em.

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Taylor is pop-py, but her songwriting is not bad. She’s more talented than Justin Bieber, in my book.

237 jaunte  May 18, 2014 8:31:03am

re: #234 Pie-onist Overlord

He must have a special “bears” newsfeed.

238 Pie-onist Overlord  May 18, 2014 8:31:22am

The swimming pool was closed AGAIN, they need to replace the hot water heater.

Meanwhile I made a bunch of bread dough.

239 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 8:34:10am

re: #234 Pie-onist Overlord

Let’s feed Bryan to the bears.

I don’t get his fascination with bears. Why bears? it’s not like bears are asking for equal rights or getting married to humans.

240 BongCrodny  May 18, 2014 8:34:29am

re: #213 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Well, college radio was a lot more of an influence back then in propelling indie bands, as was MTV’s 120 minutes. Anyone remember that show? I discovered so many bands through that.

But R.E.M., Violent Femmes, Husker Du, Replacements, etc., etc., etc. - lots of good stuff in the 80s, you just usually had to go to the “Import” bins to find it.

Back in the day, I used to do part-time gigs on radio. I never made a career of it because I found I could earn significantly more money doing other things — for every Howard Stern, there are a thousand deejays slaving away at minimum wage. Still, it was probably my favorite “hobby” for the better part of 15 years.

I lost the desire to continue in radio when working for a station in Portland: They billed themselves as a rock station, but not “classic rock.”

I just did not understand why REM did not get added to the station’s playlist, but the newest Doobie Brothers album was a cause for celebration.

241 Sergey Romanov  May 18, 2014 8:34:49am

re: #234 Pie-onist Overlord

How did Colbert manage to predict Fischer’s obsession with bears?

242 Sergey Romanov  May 18, 2014 8:35:18am

re: #239 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I don’t get his fascination with bears. Why bears? it’s not like bears are asking for equal rights or getting married to humans.

Some do ;)

243 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 8:35:18am

re: #236 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Taylor is pop-py, but her songwriting is not bad. She’s more talented than Justin Bieber, in my book.

If she’s like most pop stars (and country stars) most of the songs aren’t hers. Nashville is the one place where songwriters can still make a living.

244 Pie-onist Overlord  May 18, 2014 8:35:50am
245 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 8:37:08am

re: #219 sattv4u2

A Vain In Spain Falls Mainly On Des Plaines

As long as it isn’t more damn rain. We’ve had quite enough of that in Des Plaines, IL for a few days.

246 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 8:37:15am

re: #244 Pie-onist Overlord

When the revolution comes, the army will travel on its folding tables and donation jars! //

247 darthstar  May 18, 2014 8:37:36am

re: #239 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I don’t get his fascination with bears. Why bears? it’s not like bears are asking for equal rights or getting married to humans.

Fischer likes a man in black leather chaps.

248 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 8:38:34am

re: #244 Pie-onist Overlord

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Is that an actual “American Spring” event, or just an open carry rally?

249 BongCrodny  May 18, 2014 8:38:42am

re: #244 Pie-onist Overlord

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Operation White American Spring.

250 Amory Blaine  May 18, 2014 8:39:09am

The boss is a harsh mistress. She wants a gate in the backyard.

Post hole digger is ready
all relevant material has been procured
the weather is good
I start my weeks vacation today

Nowhere left to hide.

251 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 8:39:21am

re: #247 darthstar

Fischer likes a man in black leather chaps.

I believe it’s unsafe at any speed to go much further in discussing Fisher’s repressed … predilections.

252 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 8:40:35am

re: #243 Rev_Arthur_Belling

If she’s like most pop stars (and country stars) most of the songs aren’t hers. Nashville is the one place where songwriters can still make a living.

In fact, she’s written most of the songs she has performed. en.wikipedia.org

Many of the big names in songwriting, like Neil Young and James Taylor, have praised her work. Check out her wiki bio en.wikipedia.org — under Influence and Recognition.

253 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 8:40:36am

re: #243 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I remember reading somewhere that like Dolly Parton, she has maintained the rights to all the songs she’s written. And she does write most of her own stuff if the thing on ABC awhile ago is accurate. She’s not my cup of tea and can be a spoiled brat, but on the flip side, she does spend time with her fans at her shows and stuff like that. So she’s not a total ass or idiot like some of her pop icon peers.

(stupid rain totally destroyed my garden plans for today, so I’m indoors doing laundry and figuring out today’s dinner, maybe some baking)

254 BongCrodny  May 18, 2014 8:41:04am

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

Is that an actual “American Spring” event, or just an open carry rally?

Probably an open carry rally; guns weren’t so obvious from the feeds of OAS I watched.

255 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 8:42:53am

re: #244 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m totally stealing that. Y’all Qaeda, heehee.

256 Amory Blaine  May 18, 2014 8:45:14am

Digging into Scott Walker’s talk of 17,000 job-producing new businesses

As the fall election nears and most everyone agrees his promise of 250,000 new jobs in four years won’t be met, Gov. Scott Walker is rolling out a bullish new measure of business growth — and suggesting it shows Wisconsin could reach the mark by mid-2015.

But his impressive-sounding talking point — that 17,000 new ready-to-hire businesses have sprung up on his watch — crumbles upon examination.

The count of newly registered “business entities” that Walker touts includes not only new ventures that bring new jobs, but thousands with no workers on the payroll at all — and little if any prospect of hires to come.

257 Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2014 8:46:09am

re: #239 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

I don’t get his fascination with bears. Why bears? it’s not like bears are asking for equal rights or getting married to humans.

Oh, Bryan Fischer has a fascination with bears, all right……just not the four-legged variety.

258 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 8:47:47am

re: #255 A Mom Anon

I’m totally stealing that. Y’all Qaeda, heehee.

Y’all Qaeda headgear is well worn ball caps with the bills sharply curved and pulled down low over the eye brows. T-shirts, standard American jeans and work boots are the required uniform. Skoal cans in the back pocket are optional.

259 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 8:49:21am

Defying a ban by their new Russian-backed rulers, thousands of Crimean Tatars gather at a mosque to commemorate the day 70 years ago the mass deportation of their families began under the orders of Soviet leader Joseph Stalin - @Reuters
Read more on reuters.com

260 A Mom Anon  May 18, 2014 8:50:04am

re: #258 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Hey now, those jeans, workboots and t-shirts are what I wear most of the time, lol. Watch it mister ;)

261 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 8:51:26am

re: #260 A Mom Anon

Hey now, those jeans, workboots and t-shirts are what I wear most of the time, lol. Watch it mister ;)

Haha. It’s my off duty clothing, too, although I use hiking boots or running shoes. I don’t do Skoal at all.

262 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 8:54:14am

re: #253 A Mom Anon

re: #252 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Yeah, the songwriting varies. But there are a LOT of big name country stars who don’t write their own music/lyrics. Which is fine. James McMurtry, for instance, has had a number of his songs recorded by Robert Earl Keen, among others. It’s a way to earn some extra money. Lots of songwriters don’t have the charisma to be performers, so it’s good that they have a way to make some money doing something they love.

263 Amory Blaine  May 18, 2014 8:55:09am

If the Skoal is optional, the well worn shroud of Turin-like imprint of the tin on the back pocket is not.

264 Mattand  May 18, 2014 8:55:52am

re: #155 Charles Johnson

There IS a GOP war on women. After all the posts at LGF about the shocking misogyny of so many Republicans and the non-stop efforts to strip women of the right to control their own bodies, it’s kind of amazing you’d try to deny it.

A Republican man pretending that his party’s effort to wipe out every women’s center in the country is not because their holy book of fables says abortion makes baby Jesus stab hobos?

Sadly, it’s not amazing. It’s fucking typical.

265 palomino  May 18, 2014 8:56:16am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

As for me, though, I’ve got out the popcorn and I’ll pop some later today. Because for Republicans, watching the New york Times being convulsed by accusations of sexism after all it has done to promote the idea of a ‘GOP War on Women’ is just plain fun to watch. Watching liberals go after a liberal newspaper has brought a smile to my face.

Hey, there are a fair number of liberal people here who cheer when conservatives get into internal spats. This is just the same thing in the other direction.

You can masturbate all you want over that little imbroglio. But it’s really just internal office politics. So you’re not going to wind up all that happy in the end.

It’s not as if the GOP stands to gain much here. The party’s policies aren’t going to become more appealing to women nationwide simply because an editor and publisher in NYC have a disagreement.

But seriously, maybe you can explain why you see the war on women as just a figment of the left’s imagination. Right after you explain how Ben Carson can save the Republican Party and make everyone realize it’s not racist.

266 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 8:58:11am

re: #262 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Yeah, the songwriting varies. But there are a LOT of big name country stars who don’t write their own music/lyrics. Which is fine. James McMurtry, for instance, has had a number of his songs recorded by Robert Earl Keen, among others. It’s a way to earn some extra money. Lots of songwriters don’t have the charisma to be performers, so it’s good that they have a way to make some money doing something they love.

Lots of songwriters don’t have the voices to be performers, yet many succeed at it anyway.

267 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 8:58:16am

re: #254 BongCrodny

Probably an open carry rally; guns weren’t so obvious from the feeds of OAS I watched.

OK, but then the caption is inappropriate, because advocating Open Carry is not terrorism and to call it that is a sign of moral confusion.

268 darthstar  May 18, 2014 8:59:52am

re: #263 Amory Blaine

If the Skoal is optional, the well worn shroud of Turin-like imprint of the tin on the back pocket is not.

When I was young, I had the tell-tale circle in the back pocket of every pair of jeans I owned (I chewed for a few decades). Now my back pocket looks like an android phone.

269 darthstar  May 18, 2014 9:00:25am
270 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 9:01:08am

re: #265 palomino

I just said I was going to make some popcorn and then sit back and watch; Why did you add an vulgar sexual component to it? Because I get no sexual gratification out of political matters, Palomino, that I assure you! You owe my an apology for implying that I would.

271 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 9:03:01am

re: #266 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Lots of songwriters don’t have the voices to be performers, yet many succeed at it anyway.

Charisma, voice, looks, whatever. Point being, Bernie Taupin never made it as a performer, but look where he got Elton John. :)

272 wheat-dogghazi  May 18, 2014 9:03:24am

I hate to bow out of today’s discussion, but it’s midnight here and I need some shuteye.

273 palomino  May 18, 2014 9:03:28am

re: #244 Pie-onist Overlord

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Look at all the diversity in that photo. I mean the guns, not the people. The people are all pretty much the same. One of the guys uses a wheelchair, and one of the guys is a woman. Other than that, not much difference from one to the next. But the guns…ohh, the guns. What a wonderful rainbow like variety of guns. Finally a great example of what conservatives mean when they say, “We love diversity too!”

274 BongCrodny  May 18, 2014 9:04:02am

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

OK, but then the caption is inappropriate, because advocating Open Carry is not terrorism and to call it that is a sign of moral confusion.

Jeez, dude — it’s a JOKE.

275 Amory Blaine  May 18, 2014 9:04:38am

re: #256 Amory Blaine

Digging into Scott Walker’s talk of 17,000 job-producing new businesses

Scott Walker is counting lemonade stands and garage sales.

//

276 Mattand  May 18, 2014 9:04:43am

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

OK, but then the caption is inappropriate, because advocating Open Carry is not terrorism and to call it that is a sign of moral confusion.

True. Open Carry is more of a cry for help for most people. It’s basically a sign you’re so terrified of 21st Century America you have to pretend you live in the Hollywood version the 19th Century American West.

277 darthstar  May 18, 2014 9:04:53am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

I just said I was going to make some popcorn and then sit back and watch; Why did you add an vulgar sexual component to it? Because I get no sexual gratification out of political matters, Palomino, that I assure you! You owe my an apology for implying that I would.

Oh, come on…you wouldn’t be human if you didn’t spank your monkey.

278 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 9:06:10am

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

re: #276 Mattand

Could someone tell me exactly what purpose “open carry” serves? I mean, that makes it more … more than concealed carry?

279 Mattand  May 18, 2014 9:06:28am

re: #277 darthstar

Oh, come on…you wouldn’t be human if you didn’t spank your monkey.
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I call it “scolding the orangutan.”

“Shaming the macaque” is a close second.

280 jaunte  May 18, 2014 9:06:37am

re: #278 Rev_Arthur_Belling

It’s more intimidating.

281 darthstar  May 18, 2014 9:07:10am

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

OK, but then the caption is inappropriate, because advocating Open Carry is not terrorism and to call it that is a sign of moral confusion.

Moral confusion? Thank you Reverend Falcon.

282 darthstar  May 18, 2014 9:08:49am

re: #278 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Could someone tell me exactly what purpose “open carry” serves? I mean, that makes it more … more than concealed carry?

Makes people feel macho, like Yul Brynner

283 Mattand  May 18, 2014 9:09:35am

Swear to Crom, it never ceases to amaze me that the country that invented the Internet, and sent a man to the moon, is the same county whose citizens think they need to walk around like Robocop all day long.

284 BongCrodny  May 18, 2014 9:09:44am

re: #279 Mattand

I call it “scolding the orangutan.”

“Shaming the macaque” is a close second.

Thrill the gorill?

285 Killgore Trout  May 18, 2014 9:10:30am

I wonder if that Libyan general has backing from somewhere. He has ties to the US but I seriously doubt we’d be backing a coup in Libya. Maybe the Russians are messing around but there’s no evidence of that. He claims he’s going after Islamists so I don’t think the Muslim Bros would back him. He wasn’t friendly with the former Q’Daffy regime. Maybe he’s just a homegrown local guy with some ambitious ideas.

286 Skip Intro  May 18, 2014 9:10:45am

re: #234 Pie-onist Overlord

Let’s feed Bryan to the bears.

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If Bryan had just tried a little harder I’m sure he could have worked Benghazi into that tweet.

287 Mattand  May 18, 2014 9:10:51am

re: #284 BongCrodny

Thrill the gorill?

You win an internet.

How about “Gimp the chimp”?

288 darthstar  May 18, 2014 9:11:32am

Of course…Democrats do mass shootings to make Republicans look bad.

289 darthstar  May 18, 2014 9:12:17am

re: #287 Mattand

You win an internet.

How about “Gimp the chimp”?

Helping the rhesus find Jesus?

290 jaunte  May 18, 2014 9:14:22am

re: #289 darthstar

Blessing the Primate.

291 Skip Intro  May 18, 2014 9:14:42am

re: #278 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Could someone tell me exactly what purpose “open carry” serves? I mean, that makes it more … more than concealed carry?

Sure. It’s a great substitute for those who would really just like to whip their wiener out and wave it around for all to see.

292 Lidane  May 18, 2014 9:16:04am

re: #91 FemNaziBitch

Strong women are often called “pushy”.

Pushy. Intimidating. A know-it-all. Bossy. A control freak. A bitch. Yeah, I’ve been called all of them. When you’re in high school being called all those things it screws with your head, especially if you weren’t part of the in crowd. It took me many years to realize that I wasn’t awkward back then. I just didn’t have an interest in any of the usual high school drama.

Hell, I don’t have any interest in it now. When my grad school cohort was first coming together, we had a meeting in our classroom to figure out who would be our class rep to the profs and how we would govern ourselves. I flat out said that I’m an easy person to get along with. Just don’t bullshit me. That’s all I ask.

293 jaunte  May 18, 2014 9:16:14am

re: #291 Skip Intro

294 BongCrodny  May 18, 2014 9:16:16am

re: #289 darthstar

Helping the rhesus find Jesus?

Attune the baboon?

295 Killgore Trout  May 18, 2014 9:18:44am

Decent article here….

Rogue Libyan general’s troops attack parliament
Best I can tell is it’s a breakdown of the semi-private militia system. I guess somebody was bound to get ambitious eventually.

296 Lidane  May 18, 2014 9:18:45am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Because for Republicans, watching the New york Times being convulsed by accusations of sexism after all it has done to promote the idea of a ‘GOP War on Women’ is just plain fun to watch.

Pro tip: The GOP War on Women isn’t “an idea”. It’s real. Look at the policies you support by voting for them and the actual laws these assholes pass on your behalf.

297 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 9:20:31am

re: #268 darthstar

When I was young, I had the tell-tale circle in the back pocket of every pair of jeans I owned (I chewed for a few decades). Now my back pocket looks like an android phone.

How many butt calls do you make a day? : )

298 Skip Intro  May 18, 2014 9:20:44am

Complete Failure of OAS finally explained.

Everyone involved in the planning/execution was an infiltrator from Soros-backed organizations who wanted to make it fail.

I’ve got to say, watching these people eat each other alive today almost makes getting out of bed at 6 am worth it.

299 darthstar  May 18, 2014 9:23:08am

re: #297 Justanotherhuman

How many butt calls do you make a day? : )

A few. But most of my friends are assholes so it’s not long distance.

300 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 9:24:13am

re: #278 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Could someone tell me exactly what purpose “open carry” serves? I mean, that makes it more … more than concealed carry?

Depends on circumstance. In the city? Problematic. Although there was no problem when I did that in Arizona year after year during the Tucson Gem show to and from the hotel. The local and the police have worked out procedures etc. And since it’s common the average person is not intimidated by it. But Tucson is not L.A., where the whole thing is different. Cops not trained for it, locals not used to it etc etc so very bad idea.

Camping in Alaska 25 miles from Anchorage? Not So Much. That’s safer for those that enforce fish and game laws, they can see who is armed or not.

301 jaunte  May 18, 2014 9:24:29am

re: #298 Skip Intro

302 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 9:25:31am

re: #281 darthstar

Moral confusion? Thank you Reverend Falcon.

Well, what phrase would you use? An armed but non-violent rally for a change in the law isn’t something that should be equated with terrorism, so how would you describe the error made by the person who wrote that caption?

303 darthstar  May 18, 2014 9:25:39am

re: #301 jaunte

It’s all about the right to bare arms.

304 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 9:25:44am

re: #301 jaunte

[Embedded content]

And a lot more colorful (in more ways than one). : )

305 Skip Intro  May 18, 2014 9:27:39am

Youtube Video

OAS storms the Capitol, gets to the barricades, then, in an act of unprecedented courage under fire, stands around and shoots the shit for the next 45 minutes. Lots of nice pictures of the lawn, too.

306 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 9:28:55am

But how many people went away disappointed?

‘Godzilla’ tops box office with $93.2 million opening - @TheWrap
Read more on thewrap.com

307 Skip Intro  May 18, 2014 9:29:38am

re: #301 jaunte

Yeah, well, none of those commies have jobs, unlike all of the brave patriots on government assistance at OAS.

308 darthstar  May 18, 2014 9:30:56am

re: #302 Dark_Falcon

Well, what phrase would you use? An armed but non-violent rally for a change in the law isn’t something that should be equated with terrorism, so how would you describe the error made by the person who wrote that caption.

I think the person who made that caption is mocking the tea party (note the yeller flag with the worm on it…them’s not just open carry assholes, them’s teabaggin’ open carry assholes) and how they’re trying to “take back” their country (because they disagree with the moral direction of a black president - there’s your moral confusion if any exists, by the way).

Anyway, they’re your family, and as much as I mock them myself and dislike their politics, I believe in your right to stand beside them and defend them.

And I appreciate your righteous indignation…I don’t think we’d talk about monkeys and penises nearly as much without your input.

309 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 9:33:05am

re: #305 Skip Intro

[Embedded content]

Video

OAS storms the Capitol, gets to the barricades, then, in an act of unprecedented courage under fire, stands around and shoots the shit for the next 45 minutes. Lots of nice pictures of the lawn, too.

What is that “de feet, O-bama” stuff? : )

310 allegro  May 18, 2014 9:33:09am

re: #302 Dark_Falcon

Well, what phrase would you use? An armed but non-violent rally for a change in the law isn’t something that should be equated with terrorism, so how would you describe the error made by the person who wrote that caption?

Not all would agree that it’s an error. The very intent of open carry is to intimidate and threaten - there really is no other purpose.

311 darthstar  May 18, 2014 9:34:06am

re: #306 Justanotherhuman

But how many people went away disappointed?

‘Godzilla’ tops box office with $93.2 million opening - @TheWrap
Read more on thewrap.com

93.2 million divided by an average ticket price of around 9.25 (accounting for child tickets and matinees)…carry the one…hm. Yep… 874,937 people were disappointed on opening weekend. The rest were just overwhelmed by the surround sound and couldn’t understand it.

312 darthstar  May 18, 2014 9:34:46am

re: #310 allegro

Not all would agree that it’s an error. The very intent of open carry is to intimidate and threaten - there really is no other purpose.

We call that terrorism when people of the wrong color do it.

313 darthstar  May 18, 2014 9:35:43am
314 Floral Giraffe  May 18, 2014 9:36:32am

re: #114 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded image]

I SO wish I could upding that more than once!

315 Killgore Trout  May 18, 2014 9:37:21am

The favorite theory on twitter is that it’s a CIA plot

316 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 9:37:38am

AT&T poised to acquire America’s biggest satellite television provider, DirecTV, in a deal worth almost $50 billion; boards of 2 companies meeting on Sunday to approve the plan, according to a person with direct knowledge of the meetings - @CNNMoney
Read more on money.cnn.com

317 Stanley Sea  May 18, 2014 9:37:44am

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

OK, but then the caption is inappropriate, because advocating Open Carry is not terrorism and to call it that is a sign of moral confusion.

The Gadsen flag means nothing then?

318 darthstar  May 18, 2014 9:38:36am

re: #317 Stanley Sea

The Gadsen flag means nothing then?

Coincidence?

319 Killgore Trout  May 18, 2014 9:38:55am

re: #315 Killgore Trout

The favorite theory on twitter is that it’s a CIA plot

[Embedded content]

Oops, I didn’t catch the full context of that. Not claiming it a CIA plot. My mistake.

320 darthstar  May 18, 2014 9:39:40am

re: #319 Killgore Trout

Oops, I didn’t catch the full context of that. Not claiming it a CIA plot. My mistake.

That’s what the CIA wants you to think.

321 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 9:40:52am

You bet it is.

Senate Intelligence Chair Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., calls the House’s new Benghazi committee ‘a hunting mission for a lynch mob’ - @HuffPostPol
Read more on huffingtonpost.com

322 Floral Giraffe  May 18, 2014 9:41:07am

re: #187 klys

So very beautiful. Thank you for posting it!

323 Skip Intro  May 18, 2014 9:41:28am

re: #291 Skip Intro

Sure. It’s a great substitute for those who would really just like to whip their wiener out and wave it around for all to see.

For example,

Parents at a Forysth County park abruptly stopped a children’s baseball game after growing suspicions of the behavior of a man carrying a gun in a waist holster Tuesday night.

“He’s just walking around [saying] ‘See my gun? Look, I got a gun and there’s nothing you can do about it.’ He knew he was frightening people. He knew exactly what he was doing,” said parent Karen Rabb.

Rabb told Channel 2’s Tom Regan the parents grew so alarmed that they brought the game to a halt when the man declined a request that he leave a parking lot overlooking the baseball field.

“He scared people to the point where we stopped the game, took the kids out of the dugout and behind the dugout, and kind of hunkered down,” Rabb said.

wsbtv.com

324 Justanotherhuman  May 18, 2014 9:42:42am

Aide: Obama angry over VA allegations

WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House chief of staff says President Barack Obama is ”madder than hell” about reports of treatment delays at veterans’ hospitals across the country.

“Top aide Denis McDonough tells CBS’ ”Face the Nation” that Obama is demanding that Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki (shin-SEHK’-ee) and others in the administration ”continue to fix these things until they’re functioning the way that our veterans believe they should.”

“Allegations of preventable deaths that may be linked to delays at the Phoenix VA hospital have triggered an election-year uproar.” More

boston.com

325 Killgore Trout  May 18, 2014 9:43:44am

re: #320 darthstar

That’s what the CIA wants you to think.

Heh. Seriously, this guy ordered fighter jets to attack a city. I had no idea the Libyan government had so little control over its own military. He claims he’s attacking Islamists but looks like he has enough power to take the country if he wants it.

326 Skip Intro  May 18, 2014 9:45:03am

re: #313 darthstar

Republicans Cry Foul

ATLANTA (AP) — Former Dollar General CEO David Perdue says his chief rivals in the GOP race for Georgia’s open Senate seat are falsely accusing him of being the worst kind of Republican — one who…

Damn. I was sure the last two words were going to be “is sane”.

327 Killgore Trout  May 18, 2014 9:47:44am

Does Java on windows 8 have to suck this bad? What a laggy, crashy piece of shit with no obvious fixes.

328 Dark_Falcon  May 18, 2014 9:47:55am

Well, I’ve got to get going. I’ll be back later.

329 lawhawk  May 18, 2014 9:49:51am

re: #311 darthstar

More people saw Gone with the Wind or Wizard of Oz or even Star Wars and Jaws than any of the current crop of blockbusters (best guide is to look at the box office take and divide by average price of a ticket).

And by adjusted ticket prices, it puts a different spin on the box office take.

330 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 18, 2014 9:51:29am

re: #329 lawhawk

Also, movies hung out playing a lot longer back then. These days they get pushed out quicker.

331 Lidane  May 18, 2014 9:54:30am

re: #312 darthstar

We call that terrorism when people of the wrong color do it.

Yes, but when people of the white right color do it, they’re just preserving the Second Amendment.

332 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 18, 2014 9:54:50am

On a completely unrelated story, Matt Hardigree at Jalopnik totally demolishes a Zero Hedge CT article about auto companies hiding then recycling scores of unsold cars. It’s a thing of beauty: That Zero Hedge Article On Unsold Cars Is Bullshit.

I usually enjoy reading Zero Hedge because the insights are often interesting and I think pessimism is an underrated virtue these days. However, this guest article on unsold cars is so demonstrably false I had to take a break from my Sunday morning to dispute it.

It is an admittedly appealing idea to think that automakers, unable to sell cars, are just wildly producing them and then dumping them around the world in an endless cycle of mass production hysteria. So much of the modern economy seems senseless and inexplicable, which is why an article like this seems to give some credence to the feeling many of us have inside that something is terribly wrong.

The visuals are strong, the headline is clear, and you almost don’t have to read the article to viscerally understand the problem. I, more than anyone, get the appeal of this story because it seems to largely rip off an article I wrote — including the images and headline — more than five years ago (which itself was largely a rehash of a Guardian article).

I would think that most intelligent people would read this and obviously see the flaws but, alas, I’ve had enough emails about it this morning that I feel the need to refute it. And since it’s a (bad) copy of something I wrote, I have an extra responsibility to kill this misunderstanding before it has a chance to spread.

333 Killgore Trout  May 18, 2014 9:54:58am

both flash and Runtime think my 64 bit machine is 32 bit. I’m pretty sure that’s my problem but windows 8 doesn’t seem to allow me to run my 64 bit machine on 64 bit. Genius!

334 blueraven  May 18, 2014 9:57:00am

Ukrainian steelworkers taking back their cities

Video

335 palomino  May 18, 2014 9:58:27am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

I just said I was going to make some popcorn and then sit back and watch; Why did you add an vulgar sexual component to it? Because I get no sexual gratification out of political matters, Palomino, that I assure you! You owe my an apology for implying that I would.

It’s a figure of speech. I’m sorry you were offended.

Now how about the substance? No war on women? One contract dispute/personality conflict at the NYT is such a big deal?

And how does Ben Carson do any more for the GOP among blacks than Michael Steele and Herman Cain (both of whom had actual political experience that went beyond writing a column for a paper even many conservatives admit is a joke, the Wash Times)?

336 Mattand  May 18, 2014 10:01:47am

re: #323 Skip Intro

For example,

wsbtv.com

This is what Open Carry is all about right here. Guys walking around armed at children’s sports events.

This is the kind of country these fuckwads want.

337 palomino  May 18, 2014 10:02:06am

re: #276 Mattand

True. Open Carry is more of a cry for help for most people. It’s basically a sign you’re so terrified of 21st Century America you have to pretend you live in the Hollywood version the 19th Century American West.

Open Carry (or concealed) by itself is certainly not terrorism. But the threat of large crowds of TPP or OAS brandishing weapons in DC in order to “take their country back while watering the tree of liberty” is most definitely an intimidation technique that borders on domestic terrorism.

338 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 10:03:25am

re: #330 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Also, movies hung out playing a lot longer back then. These days they get pushed out quicker.

That was in the studio monopoly “studio system” days. Now they don’t own the theaters.

339 Skip Intro  May 18, 2014 10:03:37am

I wonder how many open carry people will be hanging around voter registration places in the south where the wrong kinds of people tend to register?

340 andres  May 18, 2014 10:03:49am

re: #327 Killgore Trout

Does Java on windows 8 have to suck this bad? What a laggy, crashy piece of shit with no obvious fixes.

Was it any better in other versions of Windows?

// I think this is more a problem with trying to be something for everyone.

341 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 10:05:52am

Where is Hoosier? Anyway Indy qualifying today. If you are into motor sports it’s worth watching. A true American classic race.

342 palomino  May 18, 2014 10:06:20am

re: #277 darthstar

Oh, come on…you wouldn’t be human if you didn’t spank your monkey.
[Embedded image]

Exactly. My comment was snarky, but not really meant to humiliate. 99.9% of the adult male population masturbates. Including me. I almost DID masturbate on election night back in Nov. 2012, when Karl Rove melted down over Ohio (although I was actually thinking more about Megyn Kelly than Ham Pudding Rove).

343 Ryan King  May 18, 2014 10:06:36am

re: #336 Mattand

This is what Open Carry is all about right here. Guys walking around armed at children’s sports events.

This is the kind of country these fuckwads want.

I’m so thankful for all these American Fuckwads protecting me from tyranny. Because it’s the fear of a Black/Liberal/Gay Planet that we have to worry about, not the tyranny of a bunch of fuckwads walking around with guns itching for a fight.

344 andres  May 18, 2014 10:06:48am

re: #333 Killgore Trout

both flash and Runtime think my 64 bit machine is 32 bit. I’m pretty sure that’s my problem but windows 8 doesn’t seem to allow me to run my 64 bit machine on 64 bit. Genius!

Check the versions of JRE and Flash you downloaded. They must be specific for 64 bit.

345 EmmaAnne  May 18, 2014 10:10:22am

re: #329 lawhawk

More people saw Gone with the Wind or Wizard of Oz or even Star Wars and Jaws than any of the current crop of blockbusters (best guide is to look at the box office take and divide by average price of a ticket).

And by adjusted ticket prices, it puts a different spin on the box office take.

That is really cool. I’d like to see it adjusted by population too.

346 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 10:11:33am

Kurt Bush (R)
I like this guy. He looks good for the job. Smart and with a conservative plan to win.

No, No not congress. He’s a rookie at Indy!

347 William Barnett-Lewis  May 18, 2014 10:14:55am

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

Not sure I’d call them left or right, but they are an interesting band. I do love this song though - it was certainly true in the early 80’s when I was in the gehenna called high school.

348 Charles Johnson  May 18, 2014 10:15:19am
349 Charles Johnson  May 18, 2014 10:16:13am

I can’t believe the arrogance of this guy. He demonizes everyone who criticizes him.

350 Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2014 10:17:35am

re: #329 lawhawk

More people saw Gone with the Wind or Wizard of Oz or even Star Wars and Jaws than any of the current crop of blockbusters (best guide is to look at the box office take and divide by average price of a ticket).

And by adjusted ticket prices, it puts a different spin on the box office take.

Gone With The Wind

is still, the box-office champion of all time when adjusted for inflation.

boxofficemojo.com

And the new Godzilla flick - in addition to the $90 million in US domestic box office - also scored a cool $100 million in international box office, which I’m pretty sure means it’s already profitable.

And it hasn’t even opened in Japan or China yet.

boxofficemojo.com

351 Decatur Deb  May 18, 2014 10:18:43am

re: #250 Amory Blaine

The boss is a harsh mistress. She wants a gate in the backyard.

Post hole digger is ready
all relevant material has been procured
the weather is good
I start my weeks vacation today

Nowhere left to hide.

Tell her you need an EPA cultural remains survey before breaking ground. Should be good for 2 year delay.

352 Floral Giraffe  May 18, 2014 10:20:14am

re: #346 Rightwingconspirator

Sent you a VM…

353 Killgore Trout  May 18, 2014 10:20:24am

re: #344 andres

Check the versions of JRE and Flash you downloaded. They must be specific for 64 bit.

Windows 8 (for some reason) autoamitally installs both 32 and 64. There’s no user option that I’ve found. But my 64 bit machine seems to only run 32. I’ve tried deleting and reinstalling and it always ends up with the same thing.

354 William Barnett-Lewis  May 18, 2014 10:21:14am

re: #275 Amory Blaine

Scott Walker is counting lemonade stands and garage sales.

//

So is my filling an opening at MickeyD’s one of those 17,000 “New” jobs?

355 Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2014 10:22:32am

re: #352 Floral Giraffe

Oh heck I had left my phone off. Duh….

356 William Barnett-Lewis  May 18, 2014 10:24:27am

re: #306 Justanotherhuman

But how many people went away disappointed?

‘Godzilla’ tops box office with $93.2 million opening - @TheWrap
Read more on thewrap.com

Read a few personal reviews - one in particular whom I trust - and they’ve been 90% positive. You gotta like monster flicks and appreciate that Godzilla’s always going to have to look like a guy in a rubber suit but they enjoyed it.

If I go see anything in the theater this year it’ll be Guardians of the Galaxy just for the hoot.

357 Decatur Deb  May 18, 2014 10:24:38am

re: #354 William Barnett-Lewis

So is my filling an opening at MickeyD’s one of those 17,000 “New” jobs?

Yup. That’s a free market, low minimum wage, Right to Work success story. Might be featured at a TPGOP debate.

358 ObserverArt  May 18, 2014 11:54:33am

re: #341 Rightwingconspirator

Where is Hoosier? Anyway Indy qualifying today. If you are into motor sports it’s worth watching. A true American classic race.

I used to love Indycar racing, but since it has gone to spec cars with their own issues and even real tight spec motors it just doesn’t have it for me anymore.

The 24 Hours of LeMans is coming up and that is now my major race these days. And I do catch the entire F1 season.

359 BeenHereAwhile  May 18, 2014 1:06:11pm

re: #253 A Mom Anon

I remember reading somewhere that like Dolly Parton, she has maintained the rights to all the songs she’s written. And she does write most of her own stuff if the thing on ABC awhile ago is accurate. She’s not my cup of tea and can be a spoiled brat, but on the flip side, she does spend time with her fans at her shows and stuff like that. So she’s not a total ass or idiot like some of her pop icon peers.

(stupid rain totally destroyed my garden plans for today, so I’m indoors doing laundry and figuring out today’s dinner, maybe some baking)

Dolly does retain publishing rights to songs she’s written.

She wrote “I will always love you,” and got a phone call from Col Tom Parker.

Parker told Dolly that Elvis wanted to record that song (this was while Dolly was still trying to make it to the big time).

But for Elvis to record that song, she had to give 1/2 of publishing rights to Elvis. Dolly’s response was, “well I guess Elvis isn’t going to record my song.”

Years later, Dolly made millions, from Whitney Houston recording that song.

Her character is unlike most country cross over stars. And she is a very astute business person to boot.

360 Feline Fearless Leader  May 18, 2014 1:20:12pm

re: #221 darthstar

Did you catch the American Spring on Friday? Man, that was something! I’m not sure what, but it was something.

Now is the summer of their discount tent.


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