Glenn Greenwald’s New Article Destroys “Invaluable,” Legal NSA Program

Human traffickers rejoice
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We have a rare event today, a new article at The Intercept! And yes, it’s more of the same hyperbole, exaggeration and unfounded leaping to conclusions we’ve come to expect. By Ryan Devereaux, Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras: Data Pirates of the Caribbean: The NSA Is Recording Every Cell Phone Call in the Bahamas - the Intercept.

The National Security Agency is secretly intercepting, recording, and archiving the audio of virtually every cell phone conversation on the island nation of the Bahamas.

According to documents provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, the surveillance is part of a top-secret system - code-named SOMALGET - that was implemented without the knowledge or consent of the Bahamian government. Instead, the agency appears to have used access legally obtained in cooperation with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration to open a backdoor to the country’s cellular telephone network, enabling it to covertly record and store the “full-take audio” of every mobile call made to, from and within the Bahamas - and to replay those calls for up to a month.

That’s right. This is a legal program they’re exposing, that lets the NSA conduct surveillance in countries like Mexico, Kenya, the Philippines and the Bahamas. Now why in the world would anyone want to do that?

Well, for starters, the Bahamas are infamous as a center for all kinds of criminal money laundering operations, as well as human trafficking. Do I need to mention the similar concerns for Mexico, the Philippines and Kenya?

So there are compelling reasons to spy on these countries. And yes, it’s spying. Welcome to reality.

But since there are compelling reasons, the fine journalists of The Intercept also need to discredit those reasons in order to satisfy their usual agenda of painting the NSA and US as sinister forces with hidden motives.

If the U.S. government wanted to make a case for surveillance in the Bahamas, it could point to the country’s status as a leading haven for tax cheats, corporate shell games, and a wide array of black-market traffickers. The State Department considers the Bahamas both a “major drug-transit country” and a “major money laundering country” (a designation it shares with more than 60 other nations, including the U.S.). According to the International Monetary Fund, as of 2011 the Bahamas was home to 271 banks and trust companies with active licenses. At the time, the Bahamian banks held $595 billion in U.S. assets.

But the NSA documents don’t reflect a concerted focus on the money launderers and powerful financial institutions - including numerous Western banks - that underpin the black market for narcotics in the Bahamas. Instead, an internal NSA presentation from 2013 recounts with pride how analysts used SOMALGET to locate an individual who “arranged Mexico-to-United States marijuana shipments” through the U.S. Postal Service.

It’s important to understand their point here to see how disingenuous and deceptive it is; their evidence that the NSA is not really focusing on Bahamian money laundering operations is … the lack of evidence in a Powerpoint slide. That’s correct — there’s absolutely no positive evidence for this claim in their entire article.

The piece also strongly insinuates that the NSA and DEA are in collusion to share the recorded cell phone data for possibly sinister purposes… but then suddenly, in paragraph 47, we find:

The presentation doesn’t say whether the NSA shared the information with the DEA.

Oh.

By the way, if you check out their source documents, there’s a section they didn’t mention in this wildly speculative article that I’d like to draw your attention to; the second paragraph on page 1:

We are all aware that the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is leading our nation’s counternarcotics (CN) efforts. But many are not aware that from the start NSA has been at the forefront of Intelligence Community (IC) support to this seemingly unconventional DOD mission. The novel collection and analysis techniques NSA developed and refined against these criminal hard targets have not only resulted in major successes in the war on drugs, but they have also proven invaluable to other critical SIGINT missions, particularly counterterrorism, sometimes blurring the lines between the two missions.

So these programs The Intercept is exposing were not only legal, they were “invaluable” in fighting crime and terrorism. And the NSA was clearly very aware of the boundaries between the agencies.

Well, say goodbye to this invaluable intelligence gathering effort now. The Mighty Greenwald has killed it. And I’m completely at a loss to understand how killing this program does anything to help victims of the horrible crime of human trafficking.

UPDATE at 5/19/14 4:49:10 pm

Julian Assange is furious at Pernicious G, and he’s issuing threats to reveal the name of the country Greenwald redacted from this article. According to Greenwald, revealing this country would cause deaths.

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150 comments

1 Kragar  May 19, 2014 2:10:48pm

Seriously, if the CIA and NSA were half as bad as Glenn tries to make them out to be, shouldn’t he be stuffed in the trunk of car which is rusting in a junk yard somewhere in Central America right now?

2 Amory Blaine  May 19, 2014 2:11:36pm

Which billionaire is behind the site again and why does he want my sympathy to dissuade US officials from monitoring the islands?

3 Kragar  May 19, 2014 2:11:41pm

I’m so glad GG vets all the stories so carefully.

4 Testy Toad T  May 19, 2014 2:14:33pm

Pernicious G considers it a badge of honor to be described as a wrecker of legitimate, legal, invaluable intelligence-gathering operations that keep vulnerable adults and children from being sold into functional slavery.

I suppose that explains why he’s so okay with his local favela, eh?

5 Justanotherhuman  May 19, 2014 2:17:49pm

Godwald & Co. keep digging their hole deeper.

I can wait for the indictments. Fucking traitors.

6 Sergey Romanov  May 19, 2014 2:18:53pm

LOLOLOL.

A Russian social-nationalist (his own def) extremist (whom I’ve known for years) has tried to join the Donetsk separatists. He crossed the border and approached them somehow, with documents and ready to explain anything about himself in case they would become suspicious. So yes, he was ready for a healthy dose of suspicion - but he certainly didn’t expect to be brutally tortured “by his own” (at the moment of writing one of his hands still didn’t function fully), only then to be transferred to the Ukrainian forces as a “Maidan spy” in exchange for someone else. The People’s Republic of Dombabwe - that’s where the dreams go to die :)

kenigtiger.livejournal. com/1478464.html (URL broken deliberately)

7 b_sharp  May 19, 2014 2:20:02pm

re: #1 Kragar

Seriously, if the CIA and NSA were half as bad as Glenn tries to make them out to be, shouldn’t he be stuffed in the trunk of car which is rusting in a junk yard somewhere in Central America right now?

He is.

What we’re seeing is a clone.

8 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2014 2:20:19pm

When did the Bahamas move to the Caribbean?

9 Justanotherhuman  May 19, 2014 2:21:46pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

When did the Bahamas move to the Caribbean?

The Bahamas, officially the Commonwealth of the Bahamas, is an island country consisting of more than 700 islands, cays, and islets in the Atlantic Ocean; north of Cuba and Hispaniola.

Someone want to send him a picture?

10 Testy Toad T  May 19, 2014 2:21:47pm

re: #5 Justanotherhuman

Godwald & Co. keep digging their hole deeper.

I can wait for the indictments. Fucking traitors.

This is a weird one, because usually it’s providing aide and comfort to a particular enemy.

Pernicious G and co. seem to care more about fucking over the US than they do about helping anybody. It’s an unusually negatively-focused strain of espionage. Russia, for example, really doesn’t stand to gain for it to be easier to coordinate human trafficking in the Bahamas. Maybe at the slightest wispy fringes they benefit from a weakened US, but that’s a tough case to make IMHO.

It’s hard to paint this as even a naive and wrong-headed sort of True Believer idealism. It’s just nutso libertarian nonsense with a metaphorical gun backing it up.

11 Charles Johnson  May 19, 2014 2:21:59pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

When did the Bahamas move to the Caribbean?

Inorite? They’re not physically in the Caribbean - but they are a member of the Caribbean Community.

12 Testy Toad T  May 19, 2014 2:23:08pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Inorite? They’re not physically in the Caribbean - but they are a member of the Caribbean Community.

Rhetorical flourish in the article title was much more important than technical accuracy. It is the sine qua non of GG.

13 Charles Johnson  May 19, 2014 2:24:05pm

Greenwald and Julian Assange are having a big fight on Twitter because they redacted the name of one country from their article.

14 Amory Blaine  May 19, 2014 2:24:56pm

Isle of Dudebro?

15 Testy Toad T  May 19, 2014 2:25:00pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Greenwald and Julian Assange are having a big fight on Twitter because they redacted the name of one country from their article.

Brazil

16 Justanotherhuman  May 19, 2014 2:25:25pm

re: #10 Testy Toad T

This is a weird one, because usually it’s providing aide and comfort to a particular enemy.

Pernicious G and co. seem to care more about fucking over the US than they do about helping anybody. It’s an unusually negatively-focused strain of espionage. Russia, for example, really doesn’t stand to gain for it to be easier to coordinate human trafficking in the Bahamas. Maybe at the slightest wispy fringes they benefit from a weakened US, but that’s a tough case to make IMHO.

It’s hard to paint this as even a naive and wrong-headed sort of True Believer idealism. It’s just nutso libertarian nonsense with a metaphorical gun backing it up.

They’ve received stolen goods—secret US govt documents deliberately passed to them by Snowjob, which they knew he had, and for which a case might also be made for conspiracy, which they have no right to have. IMHO, that puts them in the same category as he is.

17 Charles Johnson  May 19, 2014 2:27:09pm
18 b.d.  May 19, 2014 2:27:42pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Greenwald and Julian Assange are having a big fight on Twitter because they redacted the name of one country from their article.

Glad to see that the GSA (Greenwald Security Agency) is deciding for us what should stay secret and what should be known.

I’m so glad that the founding fathers wrote that document to guide us until he came around.

19 Amory Blaine  May 19, 2014 2:28:30pm

The Bahamas seem like an odd spot to plant the dudebro flag.

20 Testy Toad T  May 19, 2014 2:28:59pm

re: #16 Justanotherhuman

They’ve received stolen goods—secret US govt documents deliberately passed to them by Snowjob, which they knew he had, and for which a case might also be made for conspiracy, which they have no right to have. IMHO, that puts them in the same category as he is.

I didn’t mean it as justification, or defense. It’s just weird to me that they’re so blatantly amoral. With most spies or traitors, you can construct a cute little mental bubble around them, and within that bubble, in their own worldview, a lot of them think they’re doing the right thing.

Not in this universe or any other could you convince me that GG thinks he’s really truly doing the right thing. He’s just burning shit down and getting paid for it.

21 Charles Johnson  May 19, 2014 2:29:08pm
22 Eclectic Cyborg  May 19, 2014 2:29:34pm

Wait I thought we were only supposed to be outraged at the NSA spying on Americans?

23 missliberties  May 19, 2014 2:31:04pm

This is dangerous bullshit, because some of the kidz fall for it, because they think GG is intelligent because he uses lots of words pretending to sound smart and the kidz can say propaganda too! See.

And just in case you didn’t know GG is trying to save the world, by destroying it.

G sez he is a purist activist, with reasons. No matter who it harms G doesn’t care because it’s time to defile and expose the world order of blather blather.

He smarmed this poo-jelly all over Chris Hayes the other night in an interview where he convinced Chris he was like Christ with a blog, a humble man destroying world powers for the great historical cause, otherwise known as his ego.

24 wrenchwench  May 19, 2014 2:31:41pm

The Intercept is finding its level. ‘Sub-jourmalism’

25 Kragar  May 19, 2014 2:34:35pm

re: #24 wrenchwench

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The Intercept is finding its level. ‘Sub-jourmalism’

26 Amory Blaine  May 19, 2014 2:35:47pm

re: #25 Kragar

Snap “in real time”.

O_o

27 wrenchwench  May 19, 2014 2:36:13pm

re: #25 Kragar

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Both in one was a pretty good trick, or at least they seemed to think so.

28 Sergey Romanov  May 19, 2014 2:37:33pm

oh gee

29 Testy Toad T  May 19, 2014 2:37:36pm

The Legislative Branch writes the laws.
The Executive Branch enforces them.
The Judicial Branch reviews them and ascertains their legality within our existing framework.

The Pernicious Branch bribes the law’s minions and squirts a putrid largesse on the world stage if it feels like it can make a quick buck.

30 Testy Toad T  May 19, 2014 2:38:38pm

re: #28 Sergey Romanov

oh gee

ggreenwald When has true published information harmed innocents? You are painting future publications into a corner with this Pentagon line

“Your new mob recruit Bob is a police informant.”

These people cannot even fucking be for real.

31 A Mom Anon  May 19, 2014 2:38:43pm

re: #19 Amory Blaine

Maybe not when you think of who is funding Greenwald and Co and how much money they have and one of the things the Bahamas is known for. Wonder how much cash Glenn’s cash cow(cows?) has stashed there? Ok, maybe I’m stretching it, but lordy I cannot stand his smug face at all.

Greenwald is an amoral asshat. Unless he feels pain, it doesn’t exist. If it doesn’t directly effect him, it doesn’t exist. Now he’s messing with efforts to stop human trafficking which is just so vile I can’t even unpack why anyone would be so careless and unfeeling about that.

32 Sergey Romanov  May 19, 2014 2:39:06pm

People in the comments are speculating it’s Afghanistan, BTW.

33 Sergey Romanov  May 19, 2014 2:40:53pm

ok, now we know who of the two is far more unhinged.

34 Pie-onist Overlord  May 19, 2014 2:41:15pm

I don’t understand why GG has a swarm of cult followers. What has he ever done for them?

35 Testy Toad T  May 19, 2014 2:41:31pm

re: #30 Testy Toad T

“Your classmate Matthew Shepard is gay.”

36 Amory Blaine  May 19, 2014 2:41:44pm

37 Justanotherhuman  May 19, 2014 2:42:08pm

Haha, this is such a fucking sloppy job. On p2 of the docs, the header shows “(DL.sid_comms)” which is obviously the address of S0121, which is redacted.

documentcloud.org

38 wrenchwench  May 19, 2014 2:42:33pm

re: #34 Pie-onist Overlord

I don’t understand why GG has a swarm of cult followers. What has he ever done for them?

Made them feel potentially important.

39 Kragar  May 19, 2014 2:43:44pm
40 HappyWarrior  May 19, 2014 2:44:47pm

re: #39 Kragar

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Julian Assenge’s ego > People’s safety and well being.

41 Sergey Romanov  May 19, 2014 2:46:34pm

So it’s not about not harming the innocents after all…

42 Justanotherhuman  May 19, 2014 2:48:37pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

Julian Assenge’s ego > People’s safety and well being.

They are both the evil twin. : )

43 Kragar  May 19, 2014 2:49:46pm

re: #41 Sergey Romanov

So it’s not about not harming the innocents after all…

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And in basements across the world, dudebros are curled up in fetal positions and gently rocking themselves as they whimper “Stop fighting. Stop fighting.”

44 Kragar  May 19, 2014 2:51:03pm
45 iossarian  May 19, 2014 2:53:02pm

Gentlemen! You cannot fight in here! This is the war room!

47 teleskiguy  May 19, 2014 2:56:01pm
48 Charles Johnson  May 19, 2014 2:57:50pm

re: #47 teleskiguy

I hope you know that’s a parody account…

49 wrenchwench  May 19, 2014 2:57:54pm

re: #43 Kragar

And in basements across the world, dudebros are curled up in fetal positions and gently rocking themselves as they whimper “Stop fighting. Stop fighting.”

As seen here:

50 Rob H  May 19, 2014 2:59:53pm

Funny they talk about tax-cheats when Greenwald’s already been outed as one. Typical.

Greenwald said he believes he’s all caught up, although he’s still trying to pay down an old IRS judgement against him from his lawyer days

So which is it? Caught up or paying down? Only Greenwald could play himself against himself without anyone catching him. They’re so obsessed with Snowden they couldn’t care less about the side stories. Only John Lewis called him out on his lying crap. And then GG went remarkably quiet. Better than getting in a fight with a real civil rights hero for all to see. What a “dick,” as Mona called him. LOL.

51 Varek Raith  May 19, 2014 3:00:22pm

re: #1 Kragar

Seriously, if the CIA and NSA were half as bad as Glenn tries to make them out to be, shouldn’t he be stuffed in the trunk of car which is rusting in a junk yard somewhere in Central America right now?

GG would’ve disappeared eons ago.

52 Mattand  May 19, 2014 3:00:26pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

As seen here:

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Good God, that dudebro is about one second away from turning into the “LEAVE BRITTANY ALONE!!!” kid.

53 A Mom Anon  May 19, 2014 3:01:56pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

Aww, now boys, you’re both equally horrible, so stop fighting. Jesus, it’s too bad we can’t harness the energy of those egos to power the country, we’d be energy independent long before now.

54 dog philosopher  May 19, 2014 3:02:10pm

FDA issues warning on toxic dog treats, may be linked to over 1,000 deaths

Fox News Headline Fails To Condemn Obama

roger ailes said to be furious and looking into who’s responsible

55 Kragar  May 19, 2014 3:02:14pm
56 Amory Blaine  May 19, 2014 3:02:59pm

Tonight it’s Dogfish Head 90 Minute Imperial IPA, homemade Waldorf salad and scalloped potatoes with ham.

57 HappyWarrior  May 19, 2014 3:03:07pm

re: #51 Varek Raith

GG would’ve disappeared eons ago.

Seriously Glenn’s lucky he’s not from his pal Ed’s host country. Not saying I want harm on GG by the way but I am saying that Greenwald is lucky he’s not a Russian national doing the shit he does.

58 HappyWarrior  May 19, 2014 3:03:37pm

re: #53 A Mom Anon

Aww, now boys, you’re both equally horrible, so stop fighting. Jesus, it’s too bad we can’t harness the energy of those egos to power the country, we’d be energy independent long before now.

I hate it when mommy and daddy fight over who’s a more self-righteous ass.

59 Pie-onist Overlord  May 19, 2014 3:03:38pm

I want to see the food fight at Pierre’s pool.

60 HappyWarrior  May 19, 2014 3:04:16pm

re: #56 Amory Blaine

Tonight it’s Dogfish Head 90 Minute Imperial IPA, homemade Waldorf salad and scalloped potatoes with ham.

Party at Amory’s! Seriously though that’s a damn good beer. One of my favorites.

61 Charles Johnson  May 19, 2014 3:04:39pm
62 Kragar  May 19, 2014 3:05:23pm

re: #59 Pie-onist Overlord

I want to see the food fight at Pierre’s pool.

They tried to start a game of Marco Polo, but Glenn complained it supported Western imperialism and they had to stop.

63 dog philosopher  May 19, 2014 3:05:58pm

MORE THAN 1,000 DOG DEATHS since 2007 may be linked to deadly jerky treats imported from China, the Food and Drug Administration says.

Researchers Say Now Possible To Measure Distance Between Fox News And World Net Daily In Units Of Less Than An Inch

64 Sergey Romanov  May 19, 2014 3:06:14pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Seriously Glenn’s lucky he’s not from his pal Ed’s host country. Not saying I want harm on GG by the way but I am saying that Greenwald is lucky he’s not a Russian national doing the shit he does.

They would’ve needed a lead coffin because of all the ensuing radiation. Polonium samovar and all that.

65 NJDhockeyfan  May 19, 2014 3:09:02pm

re: #54 dog philosopher

FDA issues warning on toxic dog treats, may be linked to over 1,000 deaths

Fox News Headline Fails To Condemn Obama

roger ailes said to be furious and looking into who’s responsible

Let me guess, they are from China.

66 teleskiguy  May 19, 2014 3:09:20pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

I hope you know that’s a parody account…

Oh yeah, I know! Found it last summer on a tip from Dave Weigel’s blog.

It’s all about nextifying your thinkfluence with rising metrics in your unworkspace, maaan!

67 wrenchwench  May 19, 2014 3:09:46pm

re: #64 Sergey Romanov

They would’ve needed a lead coffin because of all the ensuing radiation. Polonium samovar and all that.

Band name alert.

68 Amory Blaine  May 19, 2014 3:10:32pm

69 Varek Raith  May 19, 2014 3:10:40pm

We really need to stop importing all food products from China.
Be it for human or pet.
Good grief.

70 dog philosopher  May 19, 2014 3:10:53pm

Our arrival at this brave new world has been surprisingly quick. Most of the ideological changes have occurred in the past few decades, and the overreach of the NSA, the strong-arm tactics of the IRS and the militarization of the police already dominate the news.

Award-winning journalist and Washington Times writer Cheryl K. Chumley documents a problem weighing heavily on the hearts and minds of Americans. She explores:

How radical environmentalism has eroded property rights
How the Patriot Act has intruded on personal privacy
The extended reach of American intelligence in the name of security
The militarization of local police forces
How the national media misrepresents the policies of security, plus much more.

how convenient to be against the “patriot” act when a democrat is in the white house…

71 CuriousLurker  May 19, 2014 3:11:06pm

OT: The results of a new Pew survey are out. Atheists are apparently still at the top of the unacceptable list when it comes to the presidency, but the percentage of people who would be less likely to support a gay/lesbian presidential candidate has fallen by almost 20% since 2007.

For 2016 Hopefuls, Washington Experience Could Do More Harm than Good
Military Service Top Positive, Atheism Top Negative for Potential Candidates

The survey finds that at a time of increasing acceptance of homosexuality, most Americans (66%) say it table 2007 2011 2014 gay or lesbian presidential candidatewouldn’t matter if a presidential candidate is gay or lesbian; 27% say they would be less likely to support a gay or lesbian candidate while 5% would be more likely. In 2007, nearly half (46%) said they would be less likely to vote for a homosexual candidate. […]

72 iossarian  May 19, 2014 3:11:24pm

re: #69 Varek Raith

We really need to stop importing all food products from China.
Be it for human or pet.
Good grief.

But then how will we drive shareholder value?

73 Varek Raith  May 19, 2014 3:12:15pm

re: #71 CuriousLurker

OT: The results of a new Pew survey are out. Atheists are apparently still at the top of the unacceptable list when it comes to the presidency, but the percentage of people who would be less likely to support a gay/lesbian presidential candidate has fallen by almost 20% since 2007.

Awww, sadface.
I’m not that scary.
;)

74 b.d.  May 19, 2014 3:12:41pm

SPLITTERS!!

75 Justanotherhuman  May 19, 2014 3:12:42pm

Idiots actually do think all information should be free. No protections of intellectual content or proprietory information. Not one thing.

76 Sergey Romanov  May 19, 2014 3:12:57pm

re: #73 Varek Raith

Awww, sadface.

Space tyrants don’t make sadfaces!

77 urbanmeemaw  May 19, 2014 3:13:06pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

As seen here:

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Oh no! Mommy and Daddy are fighting!

78 Amory Blaine  May 19, 2014 3:13:53pm

79 Kragar  May 19, 2014 3:14:17pm
80 HappyWarrior  May 19, 2014 3:15:23pm

re: #71 CuriousLurker

OT: The results of a new Pew survey are out. Atheists are apparently still at the top of the unacceptable list when it comes to the presidency, but the percentage of people who would be less likely to support a gay/lesbian presidential candidate has fallen by almost 20% since 2007.

i understand why people don’t like Washington but at the same time, I dislike the idea that someone from “outside Washington” would be better. We’ve seen the harm that the Tea Party has down by sending people who don’t understand government to office. I’d rather have a president who is the ultimate insider who understands how to get things done than some perhaps well intentioned outsider who doesn’t understand. Bryan Cranston, who is playing LBJ on Broadway right now pointed out in an interview I saw with him that this was why LBJ was so successful at getting legislation passed. He not only personally knew nearly all the legislators but also what was important ot them. Now that said, I’m glad to see more people growing more open minded about gay candidates because honestly who a candidate loves in his own time is non of my business.

81 Amory Blaine  May 19, 2014 3:16:39pm

82 CuriousLurker  May 19, 2014 3:17:14pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Yeah, we don’t need a new crop of TP lunatics. O_o

83 Skip Intro  May 19, 2014 3:19:21pm

re: #71 CuriousLurker

OT: The results of a new Pew survey are out. Atheists are apparently still at the top of the unacceptable list when it comes to the presidency, but the percentage of people who would be less likely to support a gay/lesbian presidential candidate has fallen by almost 20% since 2007.

Being an atheist is like being the only sober person in the car and they won’t let you drive - Thomas Jefferson.

You can tweet that if you like.

84 simoom  May 19, 2014 3:21:46pm

These people are so spectacularly dishonest. Peter Maass, Senior writer at The Intercept, formerly of the NYT, now practicing yellow journalism:

There is nothing in the article about US Persons’ communications being retained.

85 wrenchwench  May 19, 2014 3:22:22pm

re: #83 Skip Intro

Being an atheist is like being the only sober person in the car and they won’t let you drive - Thomas Jefferson.

You can tweet that if you like.

Ironic, since CL used to drive a cab.

86 wrenchwench  May 19, 2014 3:23:56pm

Mona interrupted her tweets of electronicintifada to post this one:

87 HappyWarrior  May 19, 2014 3:23:57pm

re: #82 CuriousLurker

Yeah, we don’t need a new crop of TP lunatics. O_o

You ain’t kidding. Really too many of those TP lunatics elected were people who just decided that they didn’t like the way the country was headed and decided to run for office. Nothing wrong with that mind you, that’s your right as an American but once elected too many of them kept on acting like that. Too many of them can’t be bothered to acknowledge the president’s legitimacy not just as president but as their fellow American who wants to make this country better.

88 lawhawk  May 19, 2014 3:25:07pm

How heroic. Greenwald undermines legitimate national security programs and legal NSA operations under US law because Greenwald doesn’t like that the NSA is doing, well, it’s job.

The NSA mission is to provide sigint on a wide array of targets designated by political leaders. Its intel gathering can extend to terror groups, drug cartels, and economic and political groups in foreign countries. Because those groups can destabilize and/or threaten US interests domestically and US interests abroad.

These are legitimate targets for intel gathering, and Greenwald throws all that to the four winds.

All to feed his insatiable ego that he’s right about national security, and that anyone and everyone associated with national security in government is wrong (other than his designated lackeys).

Meanwhile, this once again shows that the Snowden cache had far more about damaging US national security and so much less to do with Snowden’s claimed need to reveal civil rights violations by the NSA.

89 dog philosopher  May 19, 2014 3:25:22pm

re: #85 wrenchwench

Ironic, since CL used to drive a cab.

thomas jefferson said that during the time he was a cab driver in paris

90 Skip Intro  May 19, 2014 3:25:33pm

re: #85 wrenchwench

Ironic, since CL used to drive a cab.

I have no idea how you all know these things.

91 Skip Intro  May 19, 2014 3:26:56pm

re: #89 dog philosopher

thomas jefferson said that during the time he was a cab driver in paris

I think he was referring to Ben Franklin.

92 wrenchwench  May 19, 2014 3:27:10pm

re: #90 Skip Intro

I have no idea how you all know these things.

This one thing was posted here. I read it. That’s how I know. All the other things I know, I got somewhere else.

93 Varek Raith  May 19, 2014 3:29:54pm

Less teaparty, moar crazy vampires!
Youtube Video

94 Kragar  May 19, 2014 3:31:09pm
95 William Barnett-Lewis  May 19, 2014 3:32:28pm

re: #94 Kragar

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Now, now, we have loons on the lakes up here. Beautiful birds well suited to their niche. Him? Not so much.

96 Kragar  May 19, 2014 3:33:34pm

“IT CAN’T BE LEGAL IF THE HOST COUNTRY DIDN’T KNOW!”

You can just fuck right off right there.

97 Sergey Romanov  May 19, 2014 3:38:34pm

re: #83 Skip Intro

Being an atheist is like being the only sober person in the car and they won’t let you drive - Thomas Jefferson.

You can tweet that if you like.

And with this, the quote becomes authentic:

98 simoom  May 19, 2014 3:39:00pm

I was just skimming the Guardian’s review of Greenwald’s book and it seems this is starting to become a pattern in reviews from sympathetic publications:

theguardian.com

One of the depressing parts of last summer in Britain was the failure of the quality press and the broadcasting media to react to Snowden and Greenwald is rightly contemptuous of the journalists on both sides of the Atlantic who act as proxies for authority - better an activist journalist than a lackey anytime. But let me just say I think the book does a disservice to my colleagues at the Guardian, which after all is established media. The author tips his hat occasionally but does not really acknowledge the importance of the seasoned reporter Ewen MacAskill’s work in Hong Kong, or the team that assembled to sift the documents, decode their inner secrets, prioritise information, gain reaction, shape the stories and provide analysis.

It was one of the most impressive journalistic operations I have ever seen and without it Glenn Greenwald would have floundered and, indeed, have been dismissed more easily as an activist journalist. He has done a great job of exposition and advocacy and for that he should be praised, but credit should be shared.

NYT:

nytimes.com

In “No Place to Hide,” Mr. Greenwald is critical of the process by which publications like The Washington Post, The New York Times and The Guardian speak with government officials before publishing sensitive articles dealing with national security issues; he contends that this process allows the “government to control disclosures and minimize, even neuter, their impact.” He also makes self-dramatizing boasts about his own mission: “Only audacious journalism could give the story the power it needed to overcome the climate of fear the government had imposed on journalists and their sources.”

In one passage, Mr. Greenwald makes the demonstrably false assertion that one “unwritten rule designed to protect the government is that media outlets publish only a few such secret documents, and then stop,” that “they would report on an archive like Snowden’s so as to limit its impact — publish a handful of stories, revel in the accolades of a ‘big scoop,’ collect prizes, and then walk away, ensuring that nothing had really changed.” Many establishment media outlets obviously continue to pursue the Snowden story. Further, many of Mr. Greenwald’s gross generalizations about the establishment media do a terrible disservice to the many tenacious investigative reporters who have broken important stories on some of the very subjects like the war on terror and executive power that Mr. Greenwald feels so strongly about.

When Mr. Greenwald turns his fervor to the issue of surveillance and its implications for ordinary citizens’ civil liberties, he is far more credible.

So praise followed by a requisite few paragraphs about how unfairly Greenwald covers his fellow traveler journalists. It’s too bad they don’t make the obvious leap to considering what else he covers dishonestly.

99 b.d.  May 19, 2014 3:39:37pm

re: #84 simoom

These people are so spectacularly dishonest. Peter Maass, Senior writer at The Intercept, formerly of the NYT, now practicing yellow journalism:

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There is nothing in the article about US Persons’ communications being retained.

Maass knows that he has to act right or that he is going to be the next one to be “Wheelered”.

100 Pie-onist Overlord  May 19, 2014 3:42:29pm

Well, The Intercept is looking for a Senior Policy Editor.

101 Decatur Deb  May 19, 2014 3:47:05pm

re: #19 Amory Blaine

The Bahamas seem like an odd spot to plant the dudebro flag.

Think “Endless Spring Break”.

102 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2014 3:47:09pm

re: #82 CuriousLurker

Yeah, we don’t need a new crop of TP lunatics. O_o

Primary elections tomorrow here in Kentucky.
Gonna hold my nose and vote for Mitch McConnell because his opponent is a crazy ass bagger/Libertarian and I don’t want to see a chance of a repeat of the Rand Paul debacle.
Come November, however…Alison gets my vote.

103 Kragar  May 19, 2014 3:48:26pm
104 Decatur Deb  May 19, 2014 3:50:13pm

re: #24 wrenchwench

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The Intercept is finding its level. ‘Sub-jourmalism’

“Jourmalism” is a good portmanteau, even if accidental.

105 b.d.  May 19, 2014 3:53:48pm

re: #103 Kragar

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So Snowball gave his stolen cache to Wikileaks too?

106 Kragar  May 19, 2014 3:55:32pm

re: #105 b.d.

So Snowball gave his stolen cache to Wikileaks too?

Well, once Putin got a hold of Snowjob, it was just a matter of time

107 freetoken  May 19, 2014 3:55:35pm

Meanwhile, actually illegal internet activities happen all around us:

FBI: BlackShades Infected Half-Million Computers

It’s amazing how much of this stuff goes on. From earlier this month:

PHILIPPINES POLICE, INTERPOL BREAK UP “SEXTORTION” RING

108 simoom  May 19, 2014 4:00:38pm

re: #105 b.d.

So Snowball gave his stolen cache to Wikileaks too?

Or perhaps Greenwald did:

nytimes.com

Their discussion turned to the question of coming back to the United States. Greenwald said, half-jokingly, that if he was arrested, WikiLeaks would become the new traffic cop for publishing N.S.A. documents. “I would just say: ‘O.K., let me introduce you to my friend Julian Assange, who’s going to take my place. Have fun dealing with him.’ “

Poitras prodded him: “So you’re going back to the States?”

He laughed and pointed out that unfortunately, the government does not always take the smartest course of action. “If they were smart,” he said, “I would do it.”

109 dog philosopher  May 19, 2014 4:07:20pm

re: #107 freetoken

Meanwhile, actually illegal internet activities happen all around us:

FBI: BlackShades Infected Half-Million Computers

It’s amazing how much of this stuff goes on. From earlier this month:

PHILIPPINES POLICE, INTERPOL BREAK UP “SEXTORTION” RING

i think in a few years we’ll remember 2014 as an idyllic period before illegal internet activity and invasions of privacy got really bad

110 Justanotherhuman  May 19, 2014 4:08:01pm

re: #108 simoom

Or perhaps Greenwald did:

nytimes.com

Smug bastards.

111 Sergey Romanov  May 19, 2014 4:09:20pm

So Assange has “gone rogue” on GG? LOL.

112 Justanotherhuman  May 19, 2014 4:10:36pm

People think the US is a police state?

An announcement on Thailand’s military-run TV said martial law had been invoked ‘to restore peace and order for people from all sides,’ stressing that the move ‘is not a coup’ - @AFP (my emphasis)
Read more on yahoo.com

113 b.d.  May 19, 2014 4:10:46pm

re: #108 simoom

Or perhaps Greenwald did:

nytimes.com

“If they were smart,” he said, “I would do it.”

That settles that, Glenn never misses an opportunity to show Glenn how smart Glenn is.

114 Justanotherhuman  May 19, 2014 4:11:08pm

re: #111 Sergey Romanov

So Assange has “gone rogue” on GG? LOL.

It’s probably pure theater.

115 b.d.  May 19, 2014 4:11:42pm

re: #111 Sergey Romanov

So Assange has “gone rogue” on GG? LOL.

Those suite of rooms in the Ecuadorian Embassy get smaller by the day.

116 Varek Raith  May 19, 2014 4:12:09pm

Steampunk was added to the dictionary.
Neat.

117 dog philosopher  May 19, 2014 4:14:25pm

future memories of 2014

- smartphones were unreliable, with wimpy batteries, poor sound on ancient ‘3g’ models, and - especially - many spots where reception was poor

- tablet pcs had lousy processing power and it was nearly impossible to use a browser on them

- most portable computers still had external, physical keyboards and pointing devices

- you could still listen to the rolling stones without young people groaning about how corny the music was

118 Bubblehead II  May 19, 2014 4:20:04pm

Evening Lizards. News from the SSM front.

Federal judge strikes down Oregon’s same-sex marriage ban

No appeal will be filed as the Oregon A.G. has stated that she would not defend the Law.

In February, the state’s attorney general said she would not defend the ban in court because it would not stand up to a federal constitutional challenge.

Wonder when the SCOTUS is going to step in and issue a stay?

120 dog philosopher  May 19, 2014 4:34:23pm

re: #119 Varek Raith


Quitter Queen says ‘no’ to Twitter diplomacy from her Facebook Fortress of Derpitude

Lol.

When we last saw Sarah Palin, — Half-Term Governor of The Northern Territories, Mother of GED Students, Destroyer of Words — she was fresh off of a featured

“Now I Have Become Derp, Destroyer Of Words”

121 freetoken  May 19, 2014 4:37:29pm

North Carolina, leading the way toward corporate slavehood:

NC Republicans want prison time for revealing what frackers are pumping into the ground

122 FemNaziBitch  May 19, 2014 4:42:25pm

Thanks for explaining this, Charles!

Greenwald certainly is showing his naivety —no?

123 FemNaziBitch  May 19, 2014 4:43:06pm

re: #116 Varek Raith

Steampunk was added to the dictionary.
Neat.

What are you fav Steampunk novels?

124 piratedan  May 19, 2014 4:48:13pm

those two (wikileaks and GG’s dudebro posse) deserve each other.

Do I expect that my government spies on people in other countries, yes, yes I do. I expect other countries do the same. What I don’t get is how some narcissistic sociopath like Greenwald gets to decide what is a moral or ethical good behavior of governments when he’s a hypocritical bastard of the first order.

125 Kid A  May 19, 2014 4:50:48pm

Oh, what the fuck is this shit?

126 Varek Raith  May 19, 2014 4:52:33pm

re: #123 FemNaziBitch

What are you fav Steampunk novels?

Funny enough, I haven’t read any.
I’m all about the style of it though.
Played a few steampunk games though.

127 FemNaziBitch  May 19, 2014 4:52:59pm
128 FemNaziBitch  May 19, 2014 4:53:16pm

re: #126 Varek Raith

Funny enough, I haven’t read any.
I’m all about the style of it though.
Played a few steampunk games though.

:(

129 Varek Raith  May 19, 2014 4:53:24pm

re: #121 freetoken

North Carolina, leading the way toward corporate slavehood:

NC Republicans want prison time for revealing what frackers are pumping into the ground

Good grief.

130 Varek Raith  May 19, 2014 4:53:37pm

re: #128 FemNaziBitch

:(

Yeah, I know…

131 dog philosopher  May 19, 2014 4:54:20pm

re: #123 FemNaziBitch

What are you fav Steampunk novels?

‘the difference engine’

132 piratedan  May 19, 2014 4:55:14pm

re: #129 Varek Raith

they can do time along with the 31 year old black lady who was arrested when she went back to high school, that’ll show them!

133 Kid A  May 19, 2014 4:55:43pm
134 RealityBasedSteve  May 19, 2014 4:56:47pm

I’m not a violent man… I’m really not. But Greenwald has managed to make me willing to shake off the thin veneer of civilization that we all wear.

When I was in the military, one of the things I learned working in comsec (Communications Security) and hanging out with the S-2 (Intelligence) shop is that you don’t have to give up all of a secret to compromise many many thing.

Bits of information, each one relatively insignificant, taken in context, can reveal much about that which is unknown. You have to assume that the people you are hiding information from are intelligent, understand analysis, and have people who are good at it too. (and yes, that includes non-conventional / asymmetric forces).

What GG is doing is exposing the basic operational concepts, practices and tools to all who will read it. I don’t know, for the life of me, why he wasn’t arrested when he arrived in the US.

People are going to die because of him, if they haven’t already.

RBS

135 FemNaziBitch  May 19, 2014 5:00:31pm
136 b.d.  May 19, 2014 5:00:45pm

re: #134 RealityBasedSteve

He would love to be arrested, that would ensure martyrdom and gain him allies domestically and from around the world. The strategy of sitting back and watching him flame out, although slower, seems to be working

137 Kid A  May 19, 2014 5:00:48pm

re: #127 FemNaziBitch

see who is in her newsfeed?

A swell collection of derp I see.

138 Skip Intro  May 19, 2014 5:02:58pm

re: #127 FemNaziBitch

see who is in her newsfeed?

Oh My Gawd!

139 FemNaziBitch  May 19, 2014 5:03:04pm

re: #134 RealityBasedSteve

I’m not a violent man… I’m really not. But Greenwald has managed to make me willing to shake off the thin veneer of civilization that we all wear.

When I was in the military, one of the things I learned working in comsec (Communications Security) and hanging out with the S-2 (Intelligence) shop is that you don’t have to give up all of a secret to compromise many many thing.

Bits of information, each one relatively insignificant, taken in context, can reveal much about that which is unknown. You have to assume that the people you are hiding information from are intelligent, understand analysis, and have people who are good at it too. (and yes, that includes non-conventional / asymmetric forces).

What GG is doing is exposing the basic operational concepts, practices and tools to all who will read it. I don’t know, for the life of me, why he wasn’t arrested when he arrived in the US.

People are going to die because of him, if they haven’t already.

RBS

very childish

140 FemNaziBitch  May 19, 2014 5:04:23pm

re: #139 FemNaziBitch

I mean GG is very childish. He assumes he knows all there is to know about something.

I hate when I run across this trait in people. The idea that the “unknown variable” exists.

141 Amory Blaine  May 19, 2014 5:04:59pm

Heh this is funny.

Youtube Video

142 FemNaziBitch  May 19, 2014 5:05:23pm
143 FemNaziBitch  May 19, 2014 5:06:20pm
144 Kid A  May 19, 2014 5:07:53pm
145 dog philosopher  May 19, 2014 5:13:29pm

re: #144 Kid A

why does soros get so much tsuris?

146 Kid A  May 19, 2014 5:13:50pm
147 FemNaziBitch  May 19, 2014 5:39:06pm

I love writers who can write like this:

In other words, these right-wingers are people who have descended beneath the gutter into the viscous sewer of inhumanity, people who have surrendered any right to claim a role in civilized society.

Paged Here:

148 Swift2991  May 19, 2014 5:55:52pm

re: #34 Pie-onist Overlord

Fed their self-righteousness.

149 wheat-dogghazi  May 19, 2014 7:05:28pm

FYI —

GG’s new book is available on bittorrent now.

Just sayin’

150 darthstar  May 19, 2014 7:52:42pm

re: #146 Kid A

“Destroyer of Words.”

Opening sentence of the year:

When we last saw Sarah Palin, — Half-Term Governor of The Northern Territories, Mother of GED Students, Destroyer of Words — she was fresh off of a featured speaker gig at the NRA’s annual Blood Frenzy Circle Jerk.


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