Amazing Short Film: One Hour of San Diego Surfing Time-Collapsed to Two Minutes

Subtly surreal technique removes the time and space between the waves
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This video was created from one hour of source footage shot from a bluff in San Diego the morning of Jan 21, 2014. I was interested in exploring the manipulation of water and to see how the movements and patterns from surfing interact. Watching surfing typically happens in one or two ways: in films/videos or in person standing on a pier, beach or bluff. In most surf films, the riders are so talented and the waves are so good it becomes an abstraction from the average viewer’s/surfer’s experience at an average break. On the other hand, watching in person can be very slow and depending on the swell there may be long stretches when nothing happens at all. This video is a playful attempt to split the difference and reveal just how much can actually happen in an hour in an otherwise nondescript surf spot with non professional riders. There are no CG elements, these are all real surfers and real waves with the time separating them removed. The video does not contain every wave that passed during the hour; I picked the best rides but otherwise tried to maintain chronology.

A sample of the source footage may be viewed here.

A look at the AE editing may be viewed here.

My blog post with additional info, text and images here.

The San Diego Studies is a series of short videos that collapse time to reveal otherwise unobservable rhythms and movement in San Diego. The project is supported my MOPA San Diego and the San Diego Foundation. For more information about this video please visit cysfilm.com and mopa.org

San Diego Study #1
San Diego Study #2
San Diego Study #3

Contact+Info: cysfilm@gmail.com
connect with me on Twitter: @cysfilm

Shot on a Canon C100 + Atomos Ninja in CLog, with a Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5 L lens at 24p. The post work was done in After Effects.

(Hat tip: Stanley Sea.)

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142 comments
1 Gus  May 21, 2014 5:24:56pm
2 dog philosopher  May 21, 2014 5:28:24pm

I Was Collapsed To Two Minutes But Nobody Came To Surf Me

undigitized girl spills her pixels with the world

3 wrenchwench  May 21, 2014 5:32:55pm

I love the airport ones.

4 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2014 5:34:22pm

And OK, speaking of mind-warping videos, I also stumbled across this completely insane new … uh, I don’t know what to call it, by Die Antwoord. Highly disturbing. Trigger warning. Violence. Language. NSFW. Probably unsafe for most other environments too. Creepy, in fact. These people are not well. Don’t click if you aren’t ready for it, and don’t say I didn’t warn you, kids.

Pitbull Terrier

Youtube Video

5 Stanley Sea  May 21, 2014 5:39:59pm

Some excellent rides.

6 Gus  May 21, 2014 5:42:11pm
7 thedopefishlives  May 21, 2014 5:42:42pm

re: #6 Gus

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Never. Going. To. Happen.

8 dog philosopher  May 21, 2014 5:44:15pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

And OK, speaking of mind-warping videos, I also stumbled across this completely insane new … uh, I don’t know what to call it, by Die Antwoord. Highly disturbing. Trigger warning. Violence. Language. NSFW. Probably unsafe for most other environments too. Creepy, in fact. These people are not well. Don’t click if you aren’t ready for it, and don’t say I didn’t warn you, kids.

Pitbull Terrier

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Video

if you can’t make a disturbing video, you can’t graduate from artsy film school

9 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2014 5:44:25pm

re: #6 Gus

Yes! The Nader! This is what US politics really needs, especially right before an important election season. Will Pernicious G and The Nader hook up and form a super-band?

10 jamesfirecat  May 21, 2014 5:44:54pm

re: #6 Gus

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Yes we should unite by having them vote for democratic candidates because this is a first past the post system which naturally trends down to two groups, and any splinter faction only ends up strengthening those who most opposes the party from which the splinter occurred, and sorry libertarians but the Democrtatic party was here first.

11 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 5:45:12pm

re: #6 Gus

I’d like to see Mr. Nader explain how aligning with libertarians is supposed to rein in corporate abuses.

That is really stupid, especially from someone whose main accomplishments amounted to increasing government regulation of corporations.

12 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2014 5:45:56pm

Die Antwoord

Die Antwoord lead vocalist, Ninja, was part of the South African hip-hop scene for many years, fronting acts such as The Original Evergreen, maxnormal.tv and The Constructus Corporation.[1] Ninja told Rolling Stone, “Everything I did before Die Antwoord was me experimenting, messing around and trying to find Die Antwoord… Everything before it was disposable. It was all throwaway.”[2]

Die Antwoord observed that journalists and critics, particularly in the United States, frequently ask if their creative output is a joke or a hoax. When asked if he was playing a character, Ninja said, “Ninja is, how can I say, like Superman is to Clark Kent. The only difference is I don’t take off this fokken Superman suit.”[3] They have described their work as “documentary fiction” and “exaggerated experience” designed for shock value. Ninja told Spin:

People are unconscious, and you have to use your art as a shock machine to wake them up. Some people are too far gone. They’ll just keep asking, “Is it real? Is it real?” That’s dwanky. That’s a word we have in South Africa, “dwanky.” It’s like lame. “Is it real?” You have to be futuristic and carry on. You gotta be a good guide to help people get away from dull experience.

13 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 5:46:54pm

re: #10 jamesfirecat

Yes we should unite by having them vote for democratic candidates because this is a first past the post system which naturally trends down to two groups, and any splinter faction only ends up strengthening those who most opposes the party from which the splinter occurred, and sorry libertarians but the Democrtatic party was here first.

My guess is that the libertarians who are basically shy Republicans greatly outnumber the libertarians who have pot as their single issue.

14 klys  May 21, 2014 5:47:19pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Yes! The Nader! This is what US politics really needs, especially right before an important election season. Will Pernicious G and The Nader hook up and form a super-band?

I’m waiting for someone to unironically suggest that this is going to happen with the emoprogs.

15 jamesfirecat  May 21, 2014 5:48:44pm

re: #13 EPR-radar

My guess is that the libertarians who are basically shy Republicans greatly outnumber the libertarians who have pot as their single issue.

I’m just saying they’re welcome to join the current multifaceted democratic coalition made up of just about everyone under the sun, but I am afraid they are going to get their precious fee fees hurt if they want special privileges like running libertarian candidates (in the sense of candidates who do not identify as democrats during the primary) and expecting democrats to vote for them.

16 Gus  May 21, 2014 5:49:57pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Yes! The Nader! This is what US politics really needs, especially right before an important election season. Will Pernicious G and The Nader hook up and form a super-band?

17 dog philosopher  May 21, 2014 5:51:57pm

re: #6 Gus

Why Libertarians And Liberals

no they shouldn’t

18 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2014 5:52:27pm
19 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 5:54:19pm

re: #6 Gus

Normally, right wing nut jobs have a lock on the US weekly stupid sweepstakes, but this turd from Nader is a sure top ten entry.

20 wrenchwench  May 21, 2014 5:54:32pm

re: #6 Gus

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Nader is a dudebro.

21 Killgore Trout  May 21, 2014 5:55:54pm

re: #6 Gus

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Pat Buchanan is skeptical but open to the idea
A Left-Right Convergence?

Because they have principles and visions in conflict, left-right alliances inevitably fall out and fall apart. Because they are almost always on opposite sides of disputed barricades, it is difficult for both to set aside old wounds and grievances and come together.

A social, moral, and cultural divide that did not exist half a century ago makes it all the more difficult. But if the issue is keeping America out of unnecessary wars and restoring American sovereignty, surely common ground is not impossible to find.

22 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 5:57:41pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

Nader is a dudebro.

What kind of Dudebro mounts a campaign that ends up with a new federal agency (NHTSA) and federal legislation mandating, for starters, seat belts and better windshields?

23 wrenchwench  May 21, 2014 5:58:14pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

Pat Buchanan is skeptical but open to the idea
A Left-Right Convergence?

Self absorbed well-off white men DO have a lot in common, and they don’t want to share it with the rest of us. They can form a club, but they can’t win elections unless they ramp up the voter suppression to democidal levels.

24 wrenchwench  May 21, 2014 5:58:45pm

re: #22 EPR-radar

What kind of Dudebro mounts a campaign that ends up with a new federal agency (NHTSA) and federal legislation mandating, for starters, seat belts and better windshields?

A newly-minted one with a shameful past.

25 Gus  May 21, 2014 6:00:31pm

26 EmmaAnne  May 21, 2014 6:00:44pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

Nader is a dudebro.

Yeah. Fuck that guy.

27 Killgore Trout  May 21, 2014 6:01:41pm

re: #19 EPR-radar

Normally, right wing nut jobs have a lock on the US weekly stupid sweepstakes, but this turd from Nader is a sure top ten entry.

The original Tea Parties (despite the revisionist history) were Ron Paul-Code Pink rallies demanding 9-11 truth. The BIrchers, Larouchies, Anonymous, ANSWER, Paulians are natural allies. You can see more or less the same mix of nuts at every anti-war rally, Tea Party and even OWS. The alliance will hold up just fine as it always has but the real problem is the participants are too nutty to deal with anything realistically.

28 Bubblehead II  May 21, 2014 6:03:35pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

And OK, speaking of mind-warping videos, I also stumbled across this completely insane new … uh, I don’t know what to call it, by Die Antwoord. Highly disturbing. Trigger warning. Violence. Language. NSFW. Probably unsafe for most other environments too. Creepy, in fact. These people are not well. Don’t click if you aren’t ready for it, and don’t say I didn’t warn you, kids.

Pitbull Terrier

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You get a down-ding from me. Why? I can’t explain. Just found it offensive on a base level. But hey, we have been here before,.

29 Jack Burton  May 21, 2014 6:03:40pm

re: #25 Gus

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It will be even worse than that Super-Suck Band with George Michael, Kenny G., and Snow.

30 Lidane  May 21, 2014 6:05:43pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

Pat Buchanan is skeptical but open to the idea
A Left-Right Convergence?

Fuck Pat Buchanan. He’s a white supremacist nutbag. Any “left/right convergence” that he wants isn’t worth it.

31 Jack Burton  May 21, 2014 6:05:58pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

Nader is a dudebro.

He’s on the moonbat side of the dudebro spectrum.

32 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2014 6:06:27pm

re: #31 Jack Burton

He’s on the moonbat side of the dudebro spectrum.

He’s a moonbro.

33 wrenchwench  May 21, 2014 6:07:59pm

Later, lizards.

34 Killgore Trout  May 21, 2014 6:08:54pm

re: #30 Lidane

Fuck Pat Buchanan. He’s a white supremacist nutbag. Any “left/right convergence” that he wants isn’t worth it.

I think it’s a great idea. Both parties get to jettison some dead weight from their fringe. The only thing keeping Michael Moore and Rand Paul from falling deeply in love is social stigma of bipartisanship. I say let it happen.

35 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 6:10:17pm

re: #30 Lidane

Fuck Pat Buchanan. He’s a white supremacist nutbag. Any “left/right convergence” that he wants isn’t worth it.

It irks me when scum like Pat Buchanan are among the few that still talk about breaking up banks that are too big to fail.

It is very dangerous for the mainstream parties to ignore real issues like this.

36 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 21, 2014 6:11:06pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

You can see more or less the same mix of nuts at every anti-war rally, Tea Party and even OWS.

And again, as someone who actually went to OWS and talked to people, no, this is bullshit. First, all three of those groups had plenty of non-nuts. Second, the nuts that they did have were really obviously very different to anyone not desperately stretching miles to make a false equivalency.

Anyway, since you’re a libertarian, what’s your problem? A lot of them should be your kind of nuts.

37 jamesfirecat  May 21, 2014 6:14:47pm

re: #36 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

And again, as someone who actually went to OWS and talked to people, no, this is bullshit. First, all three of those groups had plenty of non-nuts. Second, the nuts that they did have were really obviously very different to anyone not desperately stretching miles to make a false equivalency.

Anyway, since you’re a libertarian, what’s your problem? A lot of them should be your kind of nuts.

I thought he was a self described (as no other definition of the term really fits him) classical liberal…. (Snark)

38 Decatur Deb  May 21, 2014 6:17:10pm

Friend’s kid in Hopatcong NJ is playing lacrosse. Game on hold—bear on the field.

39 klys  May 21, 2014 6:17:57pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Friend’s kid in Hopatcong NJ is playing lacrosse. Game on hold—bear on the field.

I’m assuming (thankfully) that Bryan Fischer is nowhere to be found.

40 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 21, 2014 6:18:52pm

re: #37 jamesfirecat

I thought he was a self described (as no other definition of the term really fits him) classical liberal…. (Snark)

Classical liberals, in modern terms, are libertarians.

41 Decatur Deb  May 21, 2014 6:19:18pm

re: #39 klys

I’m assuming (thankfully) that Bryan Fischer is nowhere to be found.

If he were any kind of prophet, he could work with bears.

42 Jack Burton  May 21, 2014 6:20:59pm

re: #40 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Classical liberals, in modern terms, are libertarians.

Classical Liberals weren’t borderline (or full-blown) anarchists though. Most libertarians are.

43 blueraven  May 21, 2014 6:22:55pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

The original Tea Parties (despite the revisionist history) were Ron Paul-Code Pink rallies demanding 9-11 truth. The BIrchers, Larouchies, Anonymous, ANSWER, Paulians are natural allies. You can see more or less the same mix of nuts at every anti-war rally, Tea Party and even OWS. The alliance will hold up just fine as it always has but the real problem is the participants are too nutty to deal with anything realistically.

Bullshit

The tea party didn’t show up until the bank bailouts. But really came into their own with the election of Obama and the debate over the healthcare.

Where did you get that idea? hmmm?

Well as it happens that BS was stated on this vile website. Are you a fan?

If you recall, the original tea parties were being held in the darkest years of the Bush-Cheney Axis of Evil reign of terror and were largely comprised of Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth Activists,

lemmingfarm.wordpress.com

44 klys  May 21, 2014 6:23:39pm

re: #41 Decatur Deb

If he were any kind of prophet, he could work with bears.

I thought he did.

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45 Killgore Trout  May 21, 2014 6:25:37pm

re: #42 Jack Burton

Classical Liberals weren’t borderline (or full-blown) anarchists though. Most libertarians are.

For some reason libertarians tend to be fundamentalists about it so they aren’t terribly realistic or practical. It also doesn’t help that American Libertarianism has been a dumping ground for bad ideas, failed policies, conspiracy theories and quack economics. It’s a mess.

46 klys  May 21, 2014 6:26:47pm

I am amused about how little time there was between my comment @ #14 and the current thread.

Amused may equal depressed.

47 Decatur Deb  May 21, 2014 6:26:59pm

re: #43 blueraven

Bullshit

The tea party didn’t show up until the bank bailouts. But really came into their own with the election of Obama and the debate over the healthcare.

Where did you get that idea? hmmm?

Well as it happens that BS was stated on this vile website. Are you a fan?

lemmingfarm.wordpress.com

There are about 5-6 streams that converged at Rick Santelli’s bogus meltdown to form the mainstream TP movement. The Paulians had been using the term ineffectively for a couple years.

48 William Barnett-Lewis  May 21, 2014 6:28:17pm

re: #42 Jack Burton

Classical Liberals weren’t borderline (or full-blown) anarchists though. Most libertarians are.

Those who call themselves “Classical Liberal” have utterly nothing to do with the reality of liberalism - past present or future. Their purpose is so that government of business, by business and for business shall not perish from the earth…

49 Decatur Deb  May 21, 2014 6:28:36pm

re: #44 klys

I thought he did.

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In his fevered dreams.

50 William Barnett-Lewis  May 21, 2014 6:29:11pm

re: #46 klys

I am amused about how little time there was between my comment @ #14 and the current thread.

Amused may equal depressed.

Trolls have to troll.

51 Jack Burton  May 21, 2014 6:29:16pm

re: #43 blueraven

Libertarian kooks have been invoking the Boston Tea Party to describe their nonsense for decades. KT is right on this to a point. The new Tea Party groups that came out of 2008 (originally due to Rick Santelli’s rant) and turned full metal wingnut riding on Koch brothers cash simply co-opted pre-existing BS and I think this is part of the reason so many dudebros got mixed up in the GOP.

52 klys  May 21, 2014 6:30:03pm

re: #49 Decatur Deb

In his fevered dreams.

I try really, really hard not to think about those. The brain bleach isn’t as effective as one would hope.

53 Decatur Deb  May 21, 2014 6:31:25pm

re: #52 klys

I try really, really hard not to think about those. The brain bleach isn’t as effective as one would hope.

Usually involve Brother Bryan as a maiden-in-distress.

54 klys  May 21, 2014 6:33:01pm

re: #53 Decatur Deb

Usually involve Brother Bryan as a maiden-in-distress.

I’m pretty sure I currently hate you sans sarc tags, at the moment.

55 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 21, 2014 6:34:39pm

re: #42 Jack Burton

Classical Liberals weren’t borderline (or full-blown) anarchists though. Most libertarians are.

There’s a broad swathe of libertarians who think that the justice system is pretty much the only valid part of government, too. The GOP has a lot of those.

56 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 6:36:20pm

re: #53 Decatur Deb

Usually involve Brother Bryan as a maiden-in-distress.

Bryan Fischer as Goldilocks in a zoocrastic retelling of the story of the three bears.

57 Decatur Deb  May 21, 2014 6:37:45pm

re: #56 EPR-radar

Bryan Fischer as Goldilocks in a zoocrastic retelling of the story of the three bears.

“This one is just right.”

58 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 21, 2014 6:39:27pm

The average ‘libertarian’ these days doesn’t actually have much of a coherent philosophy. It’s more of an attitude, a feeling, than it is an actual set of principles and rules. A lot of this comes out with the confederate type of libertarian who has a huge problem with federal power but very little problem with state power—the Paulian kind of libertarian, the ones who think the CRA was a mistake. There’s a weird fixation on the federal government as somehow so much more repressive than the states.

What passes of libertarianism in the US today is like ludditism, but with social science.

59 Killgore Trout  May 21, 2014 6:43:39pm

re: #43 blueraven

Bullshit

The tea party didn’t show up until the bank bailouts. But really came into their own with the election of Obama and the debate over the healthcare.

Where did you get that idea? hmmm?

Well as it happens that BS was stated on this vile website. Are you a fan?

lemmingfarm.wordpress.com

Never seen that site but it was widely discussed here on LGF at the time. You can search the archives. Plenty of videos available on the web if you search
2006 Boston Tea Party for 9/11 Truth
Youtube Video

Tea Party Started In 2007

Youtube Video

AUSTIN TEA PARTY 07 RON PAUL

Youtube Video

60 Decatur Deb  May 21, 2014 6:44:43pm

re: #56 EPR-radar

Bryan Fischer as Goldilocks in a zoocrastic retelling of the story of the three bears.

Had to check out the word. First hit was a delightful work (19th Cent?) that wrote all the dirty parts in Latin.

books.google.com

61 Jack Burton  May 21, 2014 6:45:05pm

re: #58 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Having a rigid “set of rules” is just as bad if not worse because it leads to fundamentalism, ideological purity, an inability to govern because you can’t work with others, and taking things too far, well beyond logical boundaries.

There are libertarians who have such a set of rules in their heads, and think of any compromise as a deal with the devil.

They also think everyone should pay individually for Cops and Fire protection too because they take the ‘small government’ idea to an illogical extreme and anything else is tyranny.

62 Killgore Trout  May 21, 2014 6:48:58pm

My favorite: Code PInk - Portland Tea Party 12-16-07 Christmas Carols

Youtube Video

63 klys  May 21, 2014 6:49:29pm

So am I right in that for some people Code Pink is the proto-OWS?

Just trying to be clear.

64 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2014 6:50:07pm
65 Killgore Trout  May 21, 2014 6:51:34pm

re: #63 klys

So am I right in that for some people Code Pink is the proto-OWS?

Just trying to be clear.

Uh, no. We were discussing Ralph Nader’s proposal for a left-right alliance. It’s not a new idea, the alliance has been functioning for quite some time.

66 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 21, 2014 6:52:16pm

re: #61 Jack Burton

Having a rigid “set of rules” is just as bad if not worse because it leads to fundamentalism, ideological purity, an inability to govern because you can’t work with others, and taking things too far, well beyond logical boundaries.

There are libertarians who have such a set of rules in their heads, and think of any compromise as a deal with the devil.

They also think everyone should pay individually for Cops and Fire protection too because they take the ‘small government’ idea to an illogical extreme and anything else is tyranny.

Yeah, and, even though classical liberal is an outdated term, the anti-labor positions that classical liberals started, the naive misunderstanding of the balance of power between employer and employee, is one of the biggest problems with the average rule-bound libertarian. It’s a determined failure to not look at the 20th century, but instead hearken back to the romanic yeoman farmer idea of revolutionary America. The best you can say about it is that it’s quaint, but it looks laughably out of place against the backdrop of 21st century capitalism.

67 jamesfirecat  May 21, 2014 6:52:32pm

re: #55 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

There’s a broad swathe of libertarians who think that the justice system is pretty much the only valid part of government, too. The GOP has a lot of those.

Don’t you mean the justice system and the military?

68 klys  May 21, 2014 6:53:26pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Uh, no. We were discussing Ralph Nader’s proposal for a left-right alliance. It’s not a new idea, the alliance has been functioning for quite some time.

Oh, and here I thought we were discussing the Tea Party/Code Pink intersection. Hah. I didn’t know Nader proposed that in 2007.

Silly me.

69 Decatur Deb  May 21, 2014 6:54:03pm

re: #63 klys

So am I right in that for some people Code Pink is the proto-OWS?

Just trying to be clear.

Not proto-anything. They’re retro-Bertrand Russell hangovers.

70 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 21, 2014 6:54:54pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Uh, no. We were discussing Ralph Nader’s proposal for a left-right alliance. It’s not a new idea, the alliance has been functioning for quite some time.

And again: On the left, OWS had, and certainly has, almost no political influence. On the right, the Tea Party had and has enormous influence; they shifted the GOP to the right, and even though the GOP structure is stomping a lot of the Tea Party loons who want to run for elected office, the GOP has co-opted the Tea Party’s message, embraced their semi-anarchic ideas of government.

The difference between the left and the right, in so far as they actually exist, in the US today is that the left keeps the extremists far from the levers of power and the right elects them or caters to them.

71 Decatur Deb  May 21, 2014 6:56:11pm

re: #70 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

And again: On the left, OWS had, and certainly has, almost no political influence. On the right, the Tea Party had and has enormous influence; they shifted the GOP to the right, and even though the GOP structure is stomping a lot of the Tea Party loons who want to run for elected office, the GOP has co-opted the Tea Party’s message, embraced their semi-anarchic ideas of government.

The difference between the left and the right, in so far as they actually exist, in the US today is that the left keeps the extremists far from the levers of power and the right elects them or caters to them.

But..but…but BERNIE SANDERS !!1!

72 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 6:56:48pm

re: #61 Jack Burton

Having a rigid “set of rules” is just as bad if not worse because it leads to fundamentalism, ideological purity, an inability to govern because you can’t work with others, and taking things too far, well beyond logical boundaries.

There are libertarians who have such a set of rules in their heads, and think of any compromise as a deal with the devil.

They also think everyone should pay individually for Cops and Fire protection too because they take the ‘small government’ idea to an illogical extreme and anything else is tyranny.

I still can’t believe that an otherwise intelligent and functioning person I know (e.g., Stanford Ph.D. in physics) had the habit of twisting any discussion about the pros and cons of government regulation of business to the killing fields of Pol Pot’s Cambodia.

73 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 6:58:45pm

re: #66 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Yeah, and, even though classical liberal is an outdated term, the anti-labor positions that classical labor started, the naive misunderstanding of the balance of power between employer and employee, is one of the biggest problems with the average rule-bound libertarian. It’s a determined failure to not look at the 20th century, but instead hearken back to the romanic yeoman farmer idea of revolutionary America. The best you can say about it is that it’s quaint, but it looks laughably out of place against the backdrop of 21st century capitalism.

Basic US history stands as the greatest indictment of libertarian ideology. In very large part we have actually been there and done that, and it sucked golf balls through garden hoses.

74 Decatur Deb  May 21, 2014 6:58:58pm

re: #72 EPR-radar

I still can’t believe that an otherwise intelligent and functioning person I know (e.g., Stanford Ph.D. in physics) had the habit of twisting any discussion about the pros and cons of government regulation of business to the killing fields of Pol Pot’s Cambodia.

His mother frightened him with a Mao doll.

Image: mao-doll.jpg

75 Pie-onist Overlord  May 21, 2014 7:07:02pm

76 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 7:07:45pm

re: #75 Pie-onist Overlord

Never forget!

77 klys  May 21, 2014 7:07:53pm

re: #75 Pie-onist Overlord

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That photo has made the rounds for years now.

I know this because it was up well before I finished my Ph.D. and that was over a year ago.

(I’M FREE STILL BITCHES.)

78 EmmaAnne  May 21, 2014 7:08:10pm

re: #63 klys

So am I right in that for some people Code Pink is the proto-OWS?

Just trying to be clear.

Can’t really speak for “some people” but I thought Code Pink was mostly anti-war and OWS was mostly economic issues.

79 b_sharp  May 21, 2014 7:08:40pm

re: #1 Gus

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Jimmy Page?

are they nuts?

80 klys  May 21, 2014 7:08:49pm

re: #78 EmmaAnne

Can’t really speak for “some people” but I thought Code Pink was mostly anti-war and OWS was mostly economic issues.

It’s ok. Some people apparently have a guilty conscience and responded.

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81 Pie-onist Overlord  May 21, 2014 7:08:50pm

re: #77 klys

That photo has made the rounds for years now.

I know this because it was up well before I finished my Ph.D. and that was over a year ago.

(I’M FREE STILL BITCHES.)

It’s from the east coast earthquake of 2011. NEVER FORGET!

82 dog philosopher  May 21, 2014 7:10:43pm

re: #81 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s from the east coast earthquake of 2011. NEVER FORGET!

i think i might have spilled my gin-and-tonic

83 klys  May 21, 2014 7:11:21pm

re: #81 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s from the east coast earthquake of 2011. NEVER FORGET!

I know. I just can’t remember dates.

Funny thing. I took my qualifying exams 3/11/09. The Tohoku quake was 3/11/11. I defended my dissertation 3/11/13.

(Our first joint trip to Japan was in November of 2011, to do our part to support tourism. We went up to Tohoku this past new year’s, and will go again soon, I suspect.)

84 klys  May 21, 2014 7:11:36pm

re: #82 dog philosopher

i think i might have spilled my gin-and-tonic

OH THE HUMANITY.

85 Bubblehead II  May 21, 2014 7:12:03pm

Night Lizards. Charles, getting an upding for a downding, well that is priceless. Dissent isn’t dead here at LGF regardless of what the stalkers say. Sleep well Lizards.

86 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 7:13:21pm

re: #82 dog philosopher

i think i might have spilled my gin-and-tonic

On the other hand, the Washington Monument sustained $15M in damage from the 2011 VA quake, and just re-opened to visitors a few days ago (5/12/14).

87 klys  May 21, 2014 7:14:59pm

re: #83 klys

I know. I just can’t remember dates.

Funny thing. I took my qualifying exams 3/11/09. The Tohoku quake was 3/11/11. I defended my dissertation 3/11/13.

(Our first joint trip to Japan was in November of 2011, to do our part to support tourism. We went up to Tohoku this past new year’s, and will go again soon, I suspect.)

(I didn’t realize this until I was compiling info for my defense. To prove my lack of memory for dates.)

88 TedStriker  May 21, 2014 7:16:21pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

But..but…but BERNIE SANDERS !!1!

And Dennis Kucinich when he was still in office.

While true that Sanders and Kucinich are kooks, they also didn’t/don’t seem to have much effect on Capitol Hill beyond their own constituents and the press.

This, I’m sure, is by design.

89 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 7:17:28pm

re: #77 klys

That photo has made the rounds for years now.

I know this because it was up well before I finished my Ph.D. and that was over a year ago.

(I’M FREE STILL BITCHES.)

If you’re so free, why are you still taking classes? //

Actually, I’d happily be a grad student indefinitely if it didn’t involve poverty and dissertations.

90 klys  May 21, 2014 7:17:54pm

re: #88 TedStriker

And Dennis Kucinich when he was still in office.

While true that Sanders and Kucinich are kooks, they also didn’t/don’t seem to have much effect on Capitol Hill beyond their own constituents and the press.

This, I’m sure, is by design.

THIS IS WHY WE MUST BE EVER VIGILANT! SLIPPERY SLOPE AND ALL THAT! TOLERANCE MUST BE TOLERANT OF INTOLERANCE! ETC. ETC.

91 klys  May 21, 2014 7:18:37pm

re: #89 EPR-radar

If you’re so free, why are you still taking classes? //

Actually, I’d happily be a grad student indefinitely if it didn’t involve poverty and dissertations.

I WITHDREW AND GOD HAS SMILED UPON ME.

Actually, he hasn’t (in terms of job offers), but I’m at least learning useful shit as opposed to doing math proofs for the rest of my existence.

92 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 7:21:24pm

re: #91 klys

I WITHDREW AND GOD HAS SMILED UPON ME.

Actually, he hasn’t (in terms of job offers), but I’m at least learning useful shit as opposed to doing math proofs for the rest of my existence.

Those proofs did seem to be a waste of time. The only practical purpose I can see for such class in a CS curriculum is to serve as a filter class, like freshman calculus at an engineering school.

93 klys  May 21, 2014 7:22:55pm

re: #92 EPR-radar

Those proofs did seem to be a waste of time. The only practical purpose I can see for such class in a CS curriculum is to serve as a filter class, like freshman calculus at an engineering school.

When the question “why am I doing this” has no good answer, I can in fact make the right decision.

/shoves 6 years of grad school behind the door.

94 jaunte  May 21, 2014 7:25:18pm
95 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 7:25:46pm

re: #93 klys

When the question “why am I doing this” has no good answer, I can in fact make the right decision.

/shoves 6 years of grad school behind the door.

If you had no principles, you could use your credentials (Ph.D. geology, IIRC) to score some of that sweet wingnut welfare by shilling for young earth creationists.

Amusingly enough, this observation stands as another indictment of the free market idol the libertarians fawn over.

96 klys  May 21, 2014 7:26:40pm

re: #95 EPR-radar

If you had no principles, you could use your credentials (Ph.D. geology, IIRC) to score some of that sweet wingnut welfare by shilling for young earth creationists.

Amusingly enough, this observation stands as another indictment of the free market idol the libertarians fawn over.

The general field is accurate, the specifics …well, I’m more suited to consulting on smartphone glass than oil fields.

But I hate research, and here we are.

97 blueraven  May 21, 2014 7:26:41pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

Never seen that site but it was widely discussed here on LGF at the time. You can search the archives. Plenty of videos available on the web if you search
2006 Boston Tea Party for 9/11 Truth
[Embedded content]

Video

Tea Party Started In 2007

[Embedded content]

Oh wow…a dozen or so people having a tea party on the anniversary of the original Boston Tea Party.

Where are the “Taxed Enough Already” folks.
These are not what we know as the TP today. There may be some of the same people involved. But Freedom Works co-opted a bunch of racists idiots, and political activists to create the “movement”

98 klys  May 21, 2014 7:29:25pm

re: #97 blueraven

Lies, I’m sure that my grandparents, staunch Tea Party activists that they were, would have GLADLY interacted with the Code Pink folk prior to 20078.

Minus the part where my grandfather was a retired Chief Master Sergeant in the Air Force.

And thought Bush did no wrong ever.

But tell me more.

99 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 7:34:01pm

re: #88 TedStriker

And Dennis Kucinich when he was still in office.

While true that Sanders and Kucinich are kooks, they also didn’t/don’t seem to have much effect on Capitol Hill beyond their own constituents and the press.

This, I’m sure, is by design.

Sen. Sanders on the subject of the government shutdown: en.wikipedia.org

The real issue here, if you look at the Koch Brothers’ agenda, is: look at what many of the extreme right-wing people believe. Obamacare is just the tip of the iceberg. These people want to abolish the concept of the minimum wage, they want to privatize the Veteran’s Administration, they want to privatize Social Security, end Medicare as we know it, massive cuts in Medicaid, wipe out the EPA, you don’t have an Environmental Protection Agency anymore, Department of Energy gone, Department of Education gone. That is the agenda. And many people don’t understand that the Koch Brothers have poured hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars into the Tea Party and two other kinds of ancillary organizations to push this agenda.

Clearly the ravings of a loon wearing nothing but a tinfoil hat and sandwich board reading “The end is nigh”. ///

More ravings

Sanders was a critic of Alan Greenspan; in June 2003, during a question-and-answer discussion with the then-Federal Reserve Chairman, Sanders told Greenspan that he was concerned that Greenspan was “way out of touch” and “that you see your major function in your position as the need to represent the wealthy and large corporations”.[27] Sanders said in 1998 that investment banks and commercial banks should remain as separate entities.[28]

Even though Sanders may have other positions that are more out there than this, there must be dozens of right wingers in congress that are more extreme than the one and only socialist in the Senate.

100 Stanley Sea  May 21, 2014 7:34:08pm

re: #76 EPR-radar

Never forget!

We will rebuild!

101 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 7:35:41pm

re: #96 klys

The general field is accurate, the specifics …well, I’m more suited to consulting on smartphone glass than oil fields.

But I hate research, and here we are.

Wingnut welfare wouldn’t require research.

102 blueraven  May 21, 2014 7:36:10pm

re: #98 klys

Lies, I’m sure that my grandparents, staunch Tea Party activists that they were, would have GLADLY interacted with the Code Pink folk prior to 20078.

Minus the part where my grandfather was a retired Chief Master Sergeant in the Air Force.

And thought Bush did no wrong ever.

But tell me more.

Same with my Stepfather. He was mostly sane until Jan 2009.

103 klys  May 21, 2014 7:36:36pm

re: #100 Stanley Sea

We will rebuild!

I am occasionally depressed by the fact that the East Coast has had more earthquakes since I moved away than the West Coast has had since I moved to it.

I need to figure out how to market this and then I can retire.

104 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 7:37:46pm

re: #103 klys

I am occasionally depressed by the fact that the East Coast has had more earthquakes since I moved away than the West Coast has had since I moved to it.

I need to figure out how to market this and then I can retire.

Earthquakes suck. You also have an irrational fondness for rotten weather. //

105 klys  May 21, 2014 7:38:14pm

re: #102 blueraven

Same with my Stepfather. He was mostly sane until Jan 2009.

I wouldn’t argue my grandparents were sane prior to then. But at least they were consistent.

106 klys  May 21, 2014 7:39:23pm

I HAVE DISCOVERED WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE MY LITTLE SISTER SAY THE WORD FUCK.

It’s apparently the Kings going up 5-2.

My criteria is much less strict.

107 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 7:40:11pm

re: #103 klys

I am occasionally depressed by the fact that the East Coast has had more earthquakes since I moved away than the West Coast has had since I moved to it.

I need to figure out how to market this and then I can retire.

Incidentally, those east coast earthquakes aren’t the real thing, just like there are no mountains in the US east of the Mississippi river.

108 klys  May 21, 2014 7:40:40pm

re: #107 EPR-radar

Incidentally, those east coast earthquakes aren’t the real thing, just like there are no mountains in the US east of the Mississippi river.

I am somewhat comforted by that thought.

//

109 Decatur Deb  May 21, 2014 7:43:26pm

re: #99 EPR-radar

Sen. Sanders on the subject of the government shutdown: en.wikipedia.org

Clearly the ravings of a loon wearing nothing but a tinfoil hat and sandwich board reading “The end is nigh”. ///

More ravings

Even though Sanders may have other positions that are more out there than this, there must be dozens of right wingers in congress that are more extreme than the one and only socialist in the Senate.

He’s as extreme as we elect these days. Actually, I’d probably vote for him. Possibly even Kucinich, bless his heart.

110 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 7:44:22pm

re: #106 klys

I HAVE DISCOVERED WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE MY LITTLE SISTER SAY THE WORD FUCK.

It’s apparently the Kings going up 5-2.

My criteria is much less strict.

I think I hit peak potty mouth in third grade, and have been gradually cutting back since then.

111 klys  May 21, 2014 7:45:02pm

re: #110 EPR-radar

I think I hit peak potty mouth in third grade, and have been gradually cutting back since then.

I’m flattered that you think me young enough to have a sister in third grade.

///

Hahahahaha, the baby is now legal to drink oh fuck me.

112 Dark_Falcon  May 21, 2014 7:45:39pm

re: #106 klys

I HAVE DISCOVERED WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE MY LITTLE SISTER SAY THE WORD FUCK.

It’s apparently the Kings going up 5-2.

My criteria is much less strict.

How that happened with them down 2-0 with 5 minutes left in the second period I do not understand. But the fact remains that the Chicago Blackhawks have suffered what is for them a very rare collapse. the kings are going to tie the series 1-1 with games three and four being in LA. The Blackhawks are going to need to shake this off and win one of those two games if they want another shot at the Stanley Cup.

113 Dark_Falcon  May 21, 2014 7:46:39pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

And now it’s 6-2 Kings.

114 klys  May 21, 2014 7:46:44pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

How that happened with them down 2-0 with 5 minutes left in the second period I do not understand. But the fact remains that the Chicago Blackhawks have suffered what is for them a very rare collapse. the kings are going to tie the series 1-1 with games three and four being in LA. The Blackhawks are going to need to shake this off and win one of those two games if they want another shot at the Stanley Cup.

They are employing a well known NJ Devils tactic called “score all your goals for the series in one game.”

//////

I might be a Devils fan first and foremost.

115 klys  May 21, 2014 7:48:19pm

re: #110 EPR-radar

I think I hit peak potty mouth in third grade, and have been gradually cutting back since then.

Also, you, sir, need to email me at this klysai @gmail.com reversing the LGF portion of my name.

Because if you are in the Bay Area and we don’t do do dinner at some point it is criminal. Especially since you are a fellow Stanford grad.

116 Dark_Falcon  May 21, 2014 7:48:55pm

re: #114 klys

You’re giving the Kings too much credit. The Hawks’ll serve them some Hell in LA and come back to Chicago for Game 5 with the series at a 2-2 tie at worst.

117 klys  May 21, 2014 7:49:53pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

You’re giving the Kings too much credit. The Hawks’ll serve them some Hell in LA and come back to Chicago for Game 5 with the series at a 2-2 tie at worst.

…I’m saying that the Hawks decided to let all the goal scoring against them out of their system in one game. How is that doing the Kings too much credit?

You realize that I’m saying the Kings put all their goal scoring into one game, right?

118 klys  May 21, 2014 7:50:34pm

re: #117 klys

…I’m saying that the Hawks decided to let all the goal scoring against them out of their system in one game. How is that doing the Kings too much credit?

You realize that I’m saying the Kings put all their goal scoring into one game, right?

I will be uber-clear: I want the Kings to lose, because I don’t want to have to choose between rooting between the Kings and the Rangers in the Cup.

119 Dark_Falcon  May 21, 2014 7:51:41pm

re: #117 klys

…I’m saying that the Hawks decided to let all the goal scoring against them out of their system in one game. How is that doing the Kings too much credit?

You realize that I’m saying the Kings put all their goal scoring into one game, right?

But they also scored a goal in Game 1, so it can’t be that.

[meh]

120 klys  May 21, 2014 7:52:28pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

But they also scored a goal in Game 1, so it can’t be that.

[meh]

…You are clearly not a Devils fan.

Devils hockey goes like this: SCORE! But not enough to win the game by.

Winning the game? SCORE LOTS!!!!

121 Dark_Falcon  May 21, 2014 7:54:27pm

re: #120 klys

…You are clearly not a Devils fan.

Devils hockey goes like this: SCORE! But not enough to win the game by.

Winning the game? SCORE LOTS!!!!

We’ve already got a Devils fan on LGF, so I figure the job’s taken.

122 EPR-radar  May 21, 2014 7:55:17pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

re: #120 klys

It looks like I can get the two of you to agree on something very easily. I went to RPI for undergrad and made a special point of never attending a hockey game, even though the school usually had a good team.

123 klys  May 21, 2014 7:58:25pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

We’ve already got a Devils fan on LGF, so I figure the job’s taken.

But Brodeur. Dude. Brodeur.

Whatever, I will rub my picture with the Stanley Cup in your face. Because I am mature like that.

/// (on the rubbing, not the picture. that’s real.)

124 Dark_Falcon  May 21, 2014 7:58:31pm

re: #122 EPR-radar

It looks like I can get the two of you to agree on something very easily. I went to RPI for undergrad and made a special point of never attending a hockey game, even though the school usually had a good team.

EPR-radar is an anti-hockey heretic!! PURGE THE HERETIC!!!11

125 William Barnett-Lewis  May 21, 2014 8:04:15pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

EPR-radar is an anti-hockey heretic!! PURGE THE HERETIC!!!11

Hockey? Isn’t that what they pretend to play in between the “Mixed Martial Arts on Ice” fights?

////

Grinning, Ducking & Running…

126 klys  May 21, 2014 8:08:15pm

re: #125 William Barnett-Lewis

Hockey? Isn’t that what they pretend to play in between the “Mixed Martial Arts on Ice” fights?

////

Grinning, Ducking & Running…

Not enough kicks, it can’t be MMA…

///

127 Gus  May 21, 2014 8:08:32pm
128 jaunte  May 21, 2014 8:10:54pm

re: #127 Gus

That’s definitely a cat face that’s saying “WTF.”

129 NJDhockeyfan  May 21, 2014 8:12:06pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

We’ve already got a Devils fan on LGF, so I figure the job’s taken.

Us Devils fans always welcome newcomers :)

130 Dark_Falcon  May 21, 2014 8:13:57pm

re: #127 Gus

[Embedded content]

What Tara’s thinking: “Ugh. If I knew how much trouble I was going to get in for chasing that dog I’d have just let him munch on the kid.”

She does not look at all happy, and she really shouldn’t be there. Cats don’t like being in a strange place surrounded by strange people, and one of these days someone is going to get clawed rather badly by a notable cat brought into the wrong place when said cat lashes out in fear.

131 klys  May 21, 2014 8:14:49pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

What Tara’s thinking: “Ugh. If I knew how much trouble I was going to get in for chasing that dog I’d have just let him munch on the kid.”

She does not look at all happy, and she really shouldn’t be there. Cats don’t like being in a strange place surrounded by strange people, and one of these days someone is going to get clawed rather badly by a notable cat brought into the wrong place when said cat lashes out in fear.

That they made it that far out there means she’s tolerant enough.

Believe me, the cat would have made it known well before then.

132 Dark_Falcon  May 21, 2014 8:18:30pm

re: #131 klys

That they made it that far out there means she’s tolerant enough.

Believe me, the cat would have made it known well before then.

Agreed. That said, the man isn’t holding her right: Cats should be held in such a way as to properly support their bodies. He should have had a hand under her to support her hind legs.

133 Lidane  May 21, 2014 8:19:58pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

EPR-radar is an anti-hockey heretic!! PURGE THE HERETIC!!!11

Hockey is what they call those weird fights on ice skates between zamboni laps, right?

/////

134 klys  May 21, 2014 8:21:44pm

re: #133 Lidane

Hockey is what they call those weird fights on ice skates between zamboni laps, right?

/////

ALL THE SCIENTISTS ARE RUNNING AROUND, LOOKING FOR THE MONKEYS BUT THEY CAN’T BE FOUND, BECAUSE THEY’RE OUT ON THE ICE, PLAYING HOCKEY WITH THE KIDS………….

135 klys  May 21, 2014 8:22:53pm

re: #134 klys

ALL THE SCIENTISTS ARE RUNNING AROUND, LOOKING FOR THE MONKEYS BUT THEY CAN’T BE FOUND, BECAUSE THEY’RE OUT ON THE ICE, PLAYING HOCKEY WITH THE KIDS………….

Ok, pond, I messed up my lyrics.

IT’S BEEN YEARS.

Youtube Video

136 NJDhockeyfan  May 21, 2014 8:24:15pm

re: #123 klys

But Brodeur. Dude. Brodeur.

Whatever, I will rub my picture with the Stanley Cup in your face. Because I am mature like that.

/// (on the rubbing, not the picture. that’s real.)

It’s been such a pleasure to watch Brodeur’s career from the beginning. He’s been playing for I think 21 years (has it really been that long?), owns almost all goalie records and has 3 Stanley Cup rings. They came to Nashville this year and I was able to see him skate in between periods but he didn’t play that game. I would like to see him win one more Cup. He almost did it a few years ago.

137 klys  May 21, 2014 8:24:43pm

re: #136 NJDhockeyfan

If he signs with someone else this offseason I will cry.

138 Dark_Falcon  May 21, 2014 8:31:28pm

It seems that the Islamists are on the back foot in Libya right now:

Salabi, the militia leader, denied that his group was responsible for a string of assassinations in Benghazi in the past two years targeting former military and security personnel, prosecutors, judges and local leaders. Islamist militias have been widely blamed for the deaths. On Tuesday, a Chinese engineer was found dead in the city hours after he was abducted, a local TV channel reported.

Calls are growing for protests Friday in Tripoli, Benghazi and other cities in support of Hifter’s “Operation Dignity.” The Facebook page of a prominent Tripoli activist, Abdelmoaz Banoun, who first called for the protest, says its goal is to “regain the prestige of the state and the stolen dignity of the nation.” Meanwhile, the largest political bloc in parliament, the National Forces Alliance, announced its support for Hifter. Ahmed Rakha, a member of the group, said Hifter’s offensive has already yielded results. “The militias that kill soldiers and police in Benghazi started backing off after Operation Dignity began,” he said.

On Tuesday night, the chief commander of Libya’s air force announced that he was also throwing his weight behind Hifter’s “Operation Dignity.” He did not mention Hifter by name. Shortly after his address, explosions and fighting erupted in Tripoli, killing at least two people.

Libya’s acting interior minister denied his ministry was throwing its weight behind Hifter’s offensive. In a statement posted on its Facebook page, the ministry had called its forces to join “Operation Dignity.” But in an interview on the Libyan TV channel Al-Nabaa, minister Salah Mazeg said the department’s only goal was “the peace and safety of the Libyan people.”

Please be careful if you read this excerpt aloud. It contains the name ‘Benghazi’ three times and if you say that city’s name aloud all three times then Darryl Issa will appear to torment you.

139 NJDhockeyfan  May 21, 2014 8:35:27pm

re: #133 Lidane

Hockey is what they call those weird fights on ice skates between zamboni laps, right?

/////

You mean like this?

Youtube Video

140 NJDhockeyfan  May 21, 2014 8:37:01pm

re: #137 klys

If he signs with someone else this offseason I will cry.

It will be tough to except like when Scott Stevens retired. They don’t make em like that anymore.

141 palomino  May 21, 2014 8:41:20pm

There is no left-right convergence in the TP. Whatever it was back in 2007 is now irrelevant. In early 2009 it quickly morphed into a hard right, reactionary, hysterically anti-Obama group.

And it hasn’t changed since. Hundreds of candidates across the US have run as TP candidates. Most as Republicans, a few as Independents, NONE as Democrats. Once again, consistency is the hobgoblin of narrow obsessive little minds.

142 palomino  May 21, 2014 8:45:41pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

I think it’s a great idea. Both parties get to jettison some dead weight from their fringe. The only thing keeping Michael Moore and Rand Paul from falling deeply in love is social stigma of bipartisanship. I say let it happen.

Michael Moore and Rand Paul are the MBF’s in your little world?

Remember, one of them is an elected official who, for the most part, fits in the mainstream of his party, and is one of the frontrunners for the gop nod. The other is a propagandist filmmaker who is far too left to be a Dem candidate. As usual, your little balance fairy has no wings. Comparing Moore and Paul is moronic bullshit, the kind of thing we’ve all come to expect from you. Yawn.


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