Wingnuts Erupt In Rage Over Coates “Reparations” Article Without Bothering To Read It

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This is an excellent article, well worth reading: Ta-Nehisi Coates: The Case For Reparations.

However on #tcot (Top Conservatives On Twitter) they are enraged and seething, and of course, never even bothered to read the article.

Here is a sample of the derpularity. Enjoy.

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1 Bulworth  May 22, 2014 8:13:27am

Is that Ben Shapiro posting something about masturbating?

And that Todd Kincannon—what a shining light of derp he is. Just precious.

2 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 8:14:52am

Of course, they didn’t read it. They did without realizing it prove Coates point.

3 Bulworth  May 22, 2014 8:35:14am

Yeah the Deadlock Victim seems especially grieved. Poor Confederate..

4 Ryan King  May 22, 2014 10:18:04am

Hell hath no fury like an aggrieved white conservative after saying the word ‘reparations.’

5 Bulworth  May 22, 2014 11:26:32am

A great promotion…

6 Mattand  May 22, 2014 11:28:38am

Leave it to Todd Kincannon to somehow manage to take a racist series of tweets to an unthinkable new low.

And guess what, conservatives? These are your people.

7 GeneJockey  May 22, 2014 11:29:17am

The idea that blacks suffer disproportionately in the economy relative to whites, whether it be unemployment, compensation, housing etc. would refute the Right’s need to see themselves as self-made successes. It would reveal just how much of their greater success had to do with luck and privilege rather than their own inherent worth, and hard work.

8 jaunte  May 22, 2014 11:30:14am

re: #1 Bulworth

Is that Ben Shapiro…?

“Hidden racism.”

He doesn’t get out much.

9 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 11:30:39am

re: #6 Mattand

Leave it to Todd Kincannon to somehow manage to take a racist series of tweets to an unthinkable new low.

And guess what, conservatives? These are your people.

Yes, I think a middle passage reenactment just for Todd Kincannon would be appropriate.

10 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 11:32:24am

re: #8 jaunte

“Hidden racism.”

He doesn’t get out much.

Of course racism is hidden for the likes of Ben Shapiro. He’s in the business of denying racism and its effects, past and present, just like every other movement conservative.

11 Dr Lizardo  May 22, 2014 11:32:42am

I posted this in the downstairs thread, and it sums up my point of view as best I can.

For too long, Americans have viewed themselves and their history as some manner of divine manifestation of God’s Will. The Founding Fathers have been elevated to the level of deities in the minds of far too many, and the Constitution is viewed as some sacred and inviolable text - sacrosanct and holy.

But this is an erroneous view. The Founding Fathers were all too human, and they made a tragic mistake right at the beginning; they allowed slavery to continue. Granted, like all men, they were products of their times, and the unfortunate truth is that white supremacy - and specifically, White Anglo-Saxon Protestant supremacy - was accepted as common knowledge.

Until we, as a people, can admit honestly and openly that white supremacy was - and still is, in far too many places in America - a de facto though not de jure part of the American fabric of daily life, we will not move ahead.

Mr. Coates’ article cites the example of post-WWII West Germany, and it’s admission of responsibility, as a nation and a people and a culture, for the horrific atrocities perpetrated by the previous Nazi government. There is nothing more painful than to be brutally honest about oneself, and to admit that everything you believed, everything you had been taught, your culture, your societal norms, the whole enchilada - a nation’s very foundational mythologies - have caused genuine harm to others who were viewed as “outside” that national myth and that our society has made horrible mistakes and committed grave injustices against others, and that even if you can’t compensate those victims financially, you can at least beseech them for forgiveness.

There is no way forward until you atone for the past. Then we can move forward - then we can say, “Now we shall truly build a nation where all are created equal, and that all of us will share in the bounty our nation has to offer; that we shall work together as brothers and sisters, no matter our color or creed or where in the world our forefathers came from, because we are the United States of America, and though we’re not perfect, that’s no reason for us not to try make ourselves better.”

But we must part with our illusions first.

And from what I can see in the Tweets at the top of the story, there’s a whole lotta people who will simply never part with their illusions - or more, appropriately, delusions.

12 GeneJockey  May 22, 2014 11:32:49am

re: #8 jaunte

“Hidden racism.”

He doesn’t get out much.

Yeah. The same folks who say with one breath that the only racists in America are liberals, and that there should be no ‘group punishment’, or ‘group guilt’ will then, nearly in the same breath, say that young black men driving nice getting stopped by police is perfectly fine and if they didn’t want it to happen they should prevent OTHER young black men from stealing so much.

13 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 11:32:50am

re: #9 EPR-radar

Yes, I think a middle passage reenactment just for Todd Kincannon would be appropriate.

Hopefully ultra realistic. Likening it to an unpaid cruise. Fucking twisted motherfucker.

14 wrenchwench  May 22, 2014 11:33:19am

re: #8 jaunte

“Hidden racism.”

He doesn’t get out much.

Funny how they hide that stuff from white people. Why, you have to acknowledge the existence of others just to have a clue! It’s so hard!

15 Bulworth  May 22, 2014 11:33:59am

yes, stay classy, Todd….

16 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 11:34:15am

HAVE MOAR DERP

17 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 22, 2014 11:34:18am

It’s an excellent article in that it doesn’t pretend that the problem is solely an economic one, it gets to the spirit of reparations, the spirit of justice.

What a lot of people don’t get is that even if we, overnight, ended the war on drugs, provided a thousand extra public libraries, got single-payer—black people would still be terribly disadvantaged competitively with whites. The problem is a cultural one as well as a structural one; in many cases, the structural problem exists only because of the cultural problem.

18 GeneJockey  May 22, 2014 11:34:24am

re: #14 wrenchwench

Funny how they hide that stuff from white people. Why, you have to acknowledge the existence of others just to have a clue! It’s so hard!

It’s actually really hard to see privilege when you’re the one who’s privileged. But it’s especially hard to see it if your self-worth depends on denying it.

19 jaunte  May 22, 2014 11:35:07am

re: #16 Pie-onist Overlord

More people who couldn’t be bothered to read the whole thing.

20 blueraven  May 22, 2014 11:35:30am

It was a BIG OL WALL OF TEXT y’all.

TL;DR. they had no choice but to skim over it.

21 GeneJockey  May 22, 2014 11:36:29am

re: #17 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

It’s an excellent article in that it doesn’t pretend that the problem is solely an economic one, it gets to the spirit of reparations, the spirit of justice.

What a lot of people don’t get is that even if we, overnight, ended the war on drugs, provided a thousand extra public libraries, got single-payer—black people would still be terribly disadvantaged competitively with whites. The problem is a cultural one as well as a structural one; in many cases, the structural problem exists only because of the cultural problem.

This. There are so many simple, irrefutable examples, from the ‘black or white guy seems to be stealing bike’ video to the ‘black- or white-associated names on resumes’ study, But it CANNOT BE, so it ISN’T.

22 petesh  May 22, 2014 11:36:53am

re: #6 Mattand

And guess what, conservatives? These are your people.

They’ll never admit it. Nicholas Wade’s new book on race and genes gets full-throated support ONLY from the racist fringe, ranging all the way from Charles Murray through John Derbyshire to David Duke and Stormfront. For pointing this out, in a post that carefully acknowledged that Wade said racism was bad, I was accused of “smearing” him.

23 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 11:37:11am

re: #17 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

It’s an excellent article in that it doesn’t pretend that the problem is solely an economic one, it gets to the spirit of reparations, the spirit of justice.

What a lot of people don’t get is that even if we, overnight, ended the war on drugs, provided a thousand extra public libraries, got single-payer—black people would still be terribly disadvantaged competitively with whites. The problem is a cultural one as well as a structural one; in many cases, the structural problem exists only because of the cultural problem.

The detailed analysis of how the black ghettos of Chicago are constructs of white supremacy was a very powerful part of this article.

24 Amory Blaine  May 22, 2014 11:37:36am

Race tightens, with Scott Walker, Mary Burke tied among registered voters

In a development that could draw new interest and outside money into the race for governor, Democrat Mary Burke has drawn closer to Republican incumbent Scott Walker in the latest Marquette University Law School Poll.

Among likely voters — an important measure in a lower-turnout midterm election — Walker leads 48%-45%, which is considered a statistical toss-up for the poll released on Wednesday. Among all registered voters, including those currently seen as less likely to vote in November, the two candidates were tied at 46%.

In the last poll, on March 26, Walker held a 48% to 41% lead over Burke among registered voters and in January he led 47% to 41%. The numbers on likely voters are the first this year from Marquette, so for now no comparison is possible with past polls.

25 Kragar  May 22, 2014 11:38:18am

If there is one thing that conservatives do well, its take topics which deserve serious discussion and turn them into kindergarten tantrums.
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26 Bulworth  May 22, 2014 11:38:35am

So if we pay reparations, that means the matter is settled, and blacks will shut up about shit that happened 150 years ago, right?

This is some incredibly insightful and penetrating analysis. We can’t compete with that. ///

27 EmmaAnne  May 22, 2014 11:39:03am

TNC was definitely trolling the wing nuts with the title. And they are behaving even worse than I could have predicted. It is all very painful and ugly to watch, just as reading the article was painful and the stories it told were ugly. :-( I hope something good comes out of this.

28 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 11:39:13am

re: #16 Pie-onist Overlord

HAVE MOAR DERP

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And that’s what so many people don’t get. It wasn’t just “150 years ago.” It had longer term effects than that. Even with the abolition of slavery, blacks were either treated as second class citizens or in many case like they weren’t even human beings.

29 gwangung  May 22, 2014 11:40:42am

re: #28 HappyWarrior

And that’s what so many people don’t get. It wasn’t just “150 years ago.” It had longer term effects than that. Even with the abolition of slavery, blacks were either treated as second class citizens or in many case like they weren’t even human beings.

Yeah…anytime anyone says “150 years ago” is shows they havent read the article. Coates is talking about actions from less than a generation ago and he was talking to living victims NOW.

30 GeneJockey  May 22, 2014 11:40:42am

re: #26 Bulworth

So if we pay reparations, that means the matter is settled, and blacks will shut up about shit that happened 150 years ago, right?

This is some incredibly insightful and penetrating analysis. We can’t compete with that. ///

The amazing thing, of course, is that much of TNC’s narrative took place within the memory of living man, and some of it within the last 10 years.

31 GeneJockey  May 22, 2014 11:41:01am

re: #29 gwangung

Yeah…anytime anyone says “150 years ago” is shows they havent read the article. Coates is talking about actions from less than a generation ago and he was talking to living victims NOW.

Jinx.

32 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 11:41:12am

There is probably a shitload MOAR DERP out there that I don’t see because I have blocked and muted the most egregious.

33 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 11:41:24am

re: #26 Bulworth

So if we pay reparations, that means the matter is settled, and blacks will shut up about shit that happened 150 years ago, right?

This is some incredibly insightful and penetrating analysis. We can’t compete with that. ///

Reparations due just from the 20th century are likely to be much too large to pay off in any conventional sense.

I think conservatives’ biggest problems with this are 1) they don’t want to admit what really happened and 2) they don’t want to commit to even the smallest remedy (i.e., stop with the racist shit).

34 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 11:41:33am

re: #29 gwangung

Yeah…anytime anyone says “150 years ago” is shows they havent read the article. Coates is talking about actions from less than a generation ago and he was talking to living victims NOW.

Exactly.

35 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2014 11:42:25am

re: #20 blueraven

It was a BIG OL WALL OF TEXT y’all.

TL;DR. they had no choice but to skim over it.

Not enough updings EVER for that!

36 EmmaAnne  May 22, 2014 11:43:37am

Ben Shapiro’s hit me particularly hard after reading TNC’s article:

Leftists: work, marry, raise your kids, hire people, give charity and help others do the same rather than masturbating about hidden racism.

Because that is what the people in the article were trying to do, only to be sabotaged, cheated, stolen from, violently assaulted. Ugh!

37 Amory Blaine  May 22, 2014 11:44:02am

The flourishing prison industry is reparations, american style.

38 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 11:44:26am

re: #33 EPR-radar

Reparations due just from the 20th century are likely to be much too large to pay off in any conventional sense.

I think conservatives’ biggest problems with this are 1) they don’t want to admit what really happened and 2) they don’t want to commit to even the smallest remedy (i.e., stop with the racist shit).

I think too many conservatives are afraid to look at our past with a critical eye. To them, it’s a form of secular heresy. To be critical of one’s historical heritage is a form of treason or heresy. To me, it’s about confronting the lessons of the past and moving forward the best way we can. Coates brings up a bill that Rep. Conyers has introduced for the past 20 years that would be a study of the effects of slavery. It’s never left the House once. We have far too many people who think that slavery just ended in 1865 and that when Jim Crow finally ended, the institutions of white supremacism built from 1865-1965 just evaporated.

39 GeneJockey  May 22, 2014 11:44:28am

re: #20 blueraven

It was a BIG OL WALL OF TEXT y’all.

TL;DR. they had no choice but to skim skip over it.

FTFY

40 jaunte  May 22, 2014 11:44:38am

re: #20 blueraven

It was a BIG OL WALL OF TEXT y’all.

TL;DR. they had no choice but to skim over it.

Remember, some of these people have a hard time planning an ‘Impeach Tyrant Obama’ protest poster without misspelling a word or running out of room.

41 Gus  May 22, 2014 11:45:41am

Kurt Schlichter actually see Coates’ piece equal to “The Case for Anti-Semitism?”

Really?

42 Sergey Romanov  May 22, 2014 11:45:43am

re: #36 EmmaAnne

Ben Shapiro’s hit me particularly hard after reading TNC’s article:

Because that is what the people in the article were trying to do, only to be sabotaged, cheated, stolen from, violently assaulted. Ugh!

You mean this Ben Shapiro?

43 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2014 11:45:49am

Alison Lundergan Grimes is not only being hammered on twitter over her Shinseki tweet, but on Facebook as well.
The try-to-get-out-of-that-deep-deep-hole explanation (and we know it’s coming) better be a masterpiece.

44 EmmaAnne  May 22, 2014 11:47:48am

re: #18 GeneJockey

It’s actually really hard to see privilege when you’re the one who’s privileged. But it’s especially hard to see it if your self-worth depends on denying it.

I think you are being too generous. I’m sure I miss some of the subtleties of privilege, but really it isn’t at all hard to see unless you really make a point of not seeing it. We all know that people with apparently black names get fewer interviews than those with apparently white names. The one tiny facet is enough for any semi-aware white person to understand that they are privileged.

45 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 11:48:48am

re: #36 EmmaAnne

Ben Shapiro’s hit me particularly hard after reading TNC’s article:

Because that is what the people in the article were trying to do, only to be sabotaged, cheated, stolen from, violently assaulted. Ugh!

For me, it was Kincannon likening the Atlantic slave trade to a free cruise. Any human being that comes up with something like that is a moral monster that a sensible society would lock away to prevent contagious evil.

46 Stanley Sea  May 22, 2014 11:49:01am

I am still reading it.

47 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2014 11:50:44am

aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggg

48 b_sharp  May 22, 2014 11:53:00am

It pays to be a thief.

49 EmmaAnne  May 22, 2014 11:53:16am

re: #46 Stanley Sea

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I am still reading it.

It’s a tough read. We all know the main outlines, but many little tidbits of horror were all new to me.

50 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 11:53:16am

Gawd, to have to read the rantings of racist idiots and then see a photo of the ultra-smug Williams and Snowjob? Who at NBC is responsible for this “partnering” with “First Look”?

Stop the torture!

51 Kragar  May 22, 2014 11:53:55am

Irony: When the people making the most noise about the men who died in the Civil War dying to end slavery are Neo-Confederates

52 bratwurst  May 22, 2014 11:55:00am
53 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 11:55:13am

re: #51 Kragar

Irony: When the people making the most noise about the men who died in the Civil War dying to end slavery are Neo-Confederates

Yeah I love how blacks need to get over slavery and Jim Crow but it’s okay for Neo-Confederate Jackasses to act like Lincoln was a terrible tyrant and that the CSA was a honorable cause worth celebrating on their bumper stickers.

54 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 11:55:16am

re: #37 Amory Blaine

The flourishing prison industry is reparations, american style.

More realistically, the US prison industrial complex + the drug war and assorted other incidents of racism are getting uncomfortably close to a recreation of the black codes of the immediate post civil war South.

The black codes were an attempt to keep slavery going by basically criminalizing being black, which would allow their enslavement under the terms of the 13th amendment.

en.wikipedia.org

55 blueraven  May 22, 2014 11:55:24am

re: #39 GeneJockey

FTFY

To be fair, some did skim the article

Yeah, I kind of gave up and started skimming to find what he wants, how much money or the legal basis. He never does, does he? Maybe I missed it. I guess the title is there just to provoke a reaction, I’m not sure what his point is.

56 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 11:56:57am

Including this Tweet even though does not directly reference TNC, because it perfectly displays the mindset we’re talking about.

57 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 11:58:48am

Yeah, because Teh Poors totally bundled all the sub prime mortgages into securities and sold them to investors and retirement pension funds! Oh wait.

58 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 11:58:55am
59 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 11:59:56am
60 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 12:03:49pm

re: #59 Pie-onist Overlord

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She sounds mature.

61 gwangung  May 22, 2014 12:03:51pm

re: #56 Pie-onist Overlord

Including this Tweet even though does not directly reference TNC, because it perfectly displays the mindset we’re talking about.

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Oh, so that’s why the vast, vast majority of foreclosures came on homes that were upper middle and upper class?

62 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 12:03:56pm

I am getting a distinct vibe that Anti-Feminist is a dude.

63 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2014 12:04:01pm

re: #55 blueraven

To be fair, some did skim the article

That commenter sort of missed the point, didn’t he? Handing over some money, or a legal judgement, will not fix the issue. There needs to be a open appraisal of it as a cultural issue along with a strong and long-lasting effort to stop the behaviors and attitudes to continue to make it an open wound in our culture.

64 Kragar  May 22, 2014 12:05:31pm
65 b.d.  May 22, 2014 12:06:39pm

WHAT ABOUT REPARATIONS FOR THE BENGHAZI FAMILIES!?!

66 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2014 12:09:03pm

re: #62 Pie-onist Overlord

I am getting a distinct vibe that Anti-Feminist is a dude.

was it the “ballz” that gave it away?

67 b.d.  May 22, 2014 12:10:03pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggg

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Q: Brian : So Eddie, it seems you that really, really like that blue shirt.

68 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 12:10:43pm

re: #56 Pie-onist Overlord

Including this Tweet even though does not directly reference TNC, because it perfectly displays the mindset we’re talking about.

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Yeah, a lot of white people who built over-priced McMansions on the lake here lost them. They couldn’t afford them in that market, either.

69 Amory Blaine  May 22, 2014 12:10:53pm

It brings out the KGB in his eyes.

70 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 12:11:49pm

re: #67 b.d.

Q: Brian : So Eddie, it seems you that really, really like that blue shirt.

Some aunt told him when he was 10 that blue went perfectly with his eyes…

71 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 12:13:21pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

was it the “ballz” that gave it away?

An illiterate dude. Their, there, they’re—you know he didn’t pay attention in English class.

72 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 12:14:16pm

re: #68 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, a lot of white people who built over-priced McMansions on the lake here lost them. They couldn’t afford them in that market, either.

But these were not the buyers that had any problem obtaining loans, Bugnon is referring specifically to buyers who were denied under previous bank practices.

There was also the “flipping” craze going on that fueled the housing bubble. Flippers just walked away.

73 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 12:14:52pm

re: #70 Justanotherhuman

Some aunt told him when he was 10 that blue went perfectly with his eyes…

Some high school teacher told him that it was the perfect color to wear on TV.

74 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 12:15:55pm

re: #72 Pie-onist Overlord

But these were not the buyers that had any problem obtaining loans, Bugnon is referring specifically to buyers who were denied under previous bank practices.

There was also the “flipping” craze going on that fueled the housing bubble. Flippers just walked away.

Liar loans were Big Business.

75 Kragar  May 22, 2014 12:16:11pm

Throughout “No Place to Hide,” Greenwald quotes any person or publication taking his side in any argument. If an article or editorial in The Washington Post or The New York Times (which he says “takes direction from the U.S. government about what it should and shouldn’t publish”) endorses his view on some issue, he is sure to cite it as evidence that he is right. If Margaret Sullivan, the public editor (ombudsman, or reader representative) of The Times, agrees with him on some controversy, he is in heaven. He cites at length the results of a poll showing that more people are coming around to his notion that the government’s response to terrorism after 9/11 is more dangerous than the threat it is designed to meet.

Greenwald doesn’t seem to realize that every piece of evidence he musters demonstrating that people agree with him undermines his own argument that “the authorities” brook no dissent. No one is stopping people from criticizing the government or supporting Greenwald in any way. Nobody is preventing the nation’s leading newspaper from publishing a regular column in its own pages dissenting from company or government orthodoxy. If a majority of citizens now agree with Greenwald that dissent is being crushed in this country, and will say so openly to a stranger who rings their doorbell or their phone and says she’s a pollster, how can anyone say that dissent is being crushed? What kind of poor excuse for an authoritarian society are we building in which a Glenn Greenwald, proud enemy of conformity and government oppression, can freely promote this book in all media and sell thousands of copies at airport bookstores surrounded by Homeland Security officers?

76 Gus  May 22, 2014 12:16:41pm

re: #46 Stanley Sea

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I am still reading it.

77 Bubblehead II  May 22, 2014 12:16:46pm

Splody heads in 5..4..3..2..1

Obama goes for a walk

(CNN) - President Obama stunned tourists and others outside of the White House as he decided to take a stroll to the nearby Interior Department, accompanied by his sizable security detail

///// Bet you will never see a video of Bush doing this.

78 Kragar  May 22, 2014 12:19:17pm
79 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 12:19:28pm

re: #59 Pie-onist Overlord

There’s nothing funnier than watching liberals squirm when you take their race card they use so frequently and shove it up there ass

i hear clearly your difficulties with reality and enjoy your expressions of frustration with it

80 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 12:20:44pm

re: #16 Pie-onist Overlord

So if we pay reparations, that means the matter is settled, and blacks will shut up about shit that happened 150 years ago, right?

sorry, there will never be a time when it’s okay for you to be a racist

81 Stanley Sea  May 22, 2014 12:21:59pm

“The popular mocking of reparations as a harebrained scheme authored by wild-eyed lefties and intellectually unserious black nationalists is fear masquerading as laughter.”

82 Stanley Sea  May 22, 2014 12:22:55pm

re: #76 Gus

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We’re at the same place!

83 Ian G.  May 22, 2014 12:22:57pm

re: #1 Bulworth

Is that Ben Shapiro posting something about masturbating?

Between his obsessions with Sandra Fluke and Jason Collins and this, I think he needs to see a psychotherapist in the worst way. The boy has problems.

84 Skip Intro  May 22, 2014 12:24:06pm

Meanwhile, down in Florida,

Florida man goes on deadly shooting spree after girlfriend reneges on Triple Whopper promise

rawstory.com

85 Stanley Sea  May 22, 2014 12:24:07pm

And…I guess today Sister Sarah called the President lazy.

86 Skip Intro  May 22, 2014 12:24:30pm

re: #85 Stanley Sea

And…I guess today Sister Sarah called the President lazy.

You sure it wasn’t “shiftless”?

87 leftynyc  May 22, 2014 12:25:19pm

I think my head is going to explode:

dailykos.com

Fox News contributor Allen West questioned the “loyalties” of decorated veteran and Illinois Rep. Tammy Duckworth for serving with her fellow Democrats on the Benghazi select committee. […]
West remarked of Duckworth: “I just don’t know where her loyalties lie. You know, for her to have been a veteran, a wounded warrior for the United States Army, she should know that this is not the right thing. And hopefully, you know, she will remember the oath of office that she took as an Army officer and not the allegiance I guess she believes she has to the liberal progressives of the Democrat Party.”

I tried for a better source buy Media Matters gets blocked (for some strange reason). Was going for the daily cat thread and found this.

88 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 12:25:21pm

re: #75 Kragar

I have one small quibble with Kingsley when he says, “Especially in the age of blogs, it is impossible to distinguish between a professional journalist and anyone else who wants to publish his or her thoughts. And that’s a good thing.”

It’s not a “good thing” when someone ignorantly, ignominiously, and deliberately ignores the basic principles of journalism. And we know we see plenty of that.

There’s no way I’ll ever call Greenwald a “journalist”.

89 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 12:25:31pm

HURR HURR WERE TEH VICTIMZ!!!!!!

90 Ian G.  May 22, 2014 12:26:01pm

re: #16 Pie-onist Overlord

Sure, “blacks” will shut up about shit that happened 150 years ago when every last battle flag is taken down, every last statue and monument to traitors is demolished, and every last southern white starts looking upon the Confederacy with the same level of contempt as “blacks” do.

91 Ian G.  May 22, 2014 12:28:14pm

re: #56 Pie-onist Overlord

Forget it, this is another Eternal Truth of the right, along with the magic power of tax cuts to heal everything, and the non-existence of climate change. It’s all government/minorities fault that the economy imploded in 2008.

92 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 12:28:20pm

LOL wingnuts turning on Glenn Beck

93 Ian G.  May 22, 2014 12:29:53pm

re: #92 Pie-onist Overlord

LOL wingnuts turning on Glenn Beck

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I’m sure there were a good 10 times as many people at the GWU commencement than at Operation American Spring.

94 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2014 12:31:55pm

re: #87 leftynyc

I think my head is going to explode:

dailykos.com

I tried for a better source buy Media Matters gets blocked (for some strange reason). Was going for the daily cat thread and found this.

I linked to the Media Matters story in the thread downstairs.

mediamatters.org

95 Mattand  May 22, 2014 12:32:49pm

re: #87 leftynyc

I think my head is going to explode:

dailykos.com

I tried for a better source buy Media Matters gets blocked (for some strange reason). Was going for the daily cat thread and found this.

The woman lost both her legs and use of her right arm because she was serving her country in the military, and this fuckwit is questioning her loyalties.

Maybe she didn’t torture enough people for his liking.

Un-fucking-real.

96 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 12:34:13pm

HURR HURR!!!! WHITES IS TEH REAL VICTIMZ!!!!!

97 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 12:34:22pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

I linked to the Media Matters story in the thread downstairs.

mediamatters.org

West has absolutely no scruples.

98 Mattand  May 22, 2014 12:34:25pm

re: #93 Ian G.

I’m sure there were a good 10 times as many people at the GWU commencement than at Operation American Spring.

Lord knows the IQ level at the GWU commencement was 100 times higher.

99 Snarknado!  May 22, 2014 12:36:34pm

re: #87 leftynyc

I think my head is going to explode:

dailykos.com

I tried for a better source buy Media Matters gets blocked (for some strange reason). Was going for the daily cat thread and found this.

He’s questioning where her loyalties lie because she’s serving on the committee? Because it’s a sham and no self-respecting veteran should have anything to do with it?

(My head would also explode, if I expected sanity or the ability to reason from wingnuts.)

100 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 12:36:44pm

re: #98 Mattand

Lord knows the IQ level of one graduate at the GWU commencement was 100 times higher than the entire collection of teabaggers.

FTFY

101 Skip Intro  May 22, 2014 12:37:01pm

re: #97 Justanotherhuman

West has absolutely no scruples.

That’s why he’s a Fox News Star.

102 Charles Johnson  May 22, 2014 12:40:17pm
103 Bulworth  May 22, 2014 12:40:38pm
(CNN) - President Obama stunned tourists and others outside of the White House as he decided to take a stroll to the nearby Interior Department, accompanied by his sizable security detail

Why can’t he walk around in SW DC where I work??? FAIL.

104 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 12:43:43pm

Gawd, is there no level to which the RW won’t stoop? No lies they won’t tell? No bigotry too vile? No ignorance left unturned?

105 Ian G.  May 22, 2014 12:43:49pm

re: #96 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!! WHITES IS TEH REAL VICTIMZ!!!!!

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Well, he has a smidgen of a point: we are making progress as a country. Of course, that’s no thanks to the neo-Confederates who make up the GOP.

106 leftynyc  May 22, 2014 12:44:28pm

Asking you folks for a favor. I have a friend whose house in very close to where this fire is burning (house is right off Hwy 89A about 7 miles north of Slide Rock). I’ve had many good times and laughs at that house for the last 20 years. Please send good thoughts/prayers/karma to the residents and the fire fighters involved:

azfamily.com

107 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 12:47:04pm
The housing market crashed in ‘08 bcuz Dems forced banks to give home loans to ppl that couldn’t pay them back, not capitalism

Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. was a global financial services firm. Before declaring bankruptcy in 2008, Lehman was the fourth-largest investment bank in the US (behind Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, and Merrill Lynch), doing business in investment banking, equity and fixed-income sales and trading (especially U.S. Treasury securities), research, investment management, private equity, and private banking.

At 1:45AM on September 15, 2008, the firm filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection following the massive exodus of most of its clients, drastic losses in its stock, and devaluation of its assets by credit rating agencies. Lehman’s bankruptcy filing is the largest in US history,[2] and is thought to have played a major role in the unfolding of the late-2000s global financial crisis.

i’m sorry, lehman bros was not a bank overwhelmed with non-performing loans

you were saying?

108 Amory Blaine  May 22, 2014 12:47:56pm

A discussion of Native American issues among most company will give clues on the general mindset of american attitudes towards justice. Talk about any tragic historical event that affected NA and eventually the sentiment “yeah but they have the casinos now” will be the position.

109 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 12:48:08pm

re: #104 Justanotherhuman

Gawd, is there no level to which the RW won’t stoop? No lies they won’t tell? No bigotry too vile? No ignorance left unturned?

No. There is no bottom to this.

The only hope is for the so-called moderates to leave the GOP en masse so that crushing GOP defeats either force real reform or the end of the GOP as a national party.

110 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 12:49:11pm

WHITES IS TEH REAL VICTIMZ

the day whites is the real victimz they will know it fer shure and won’t require convoluted arguments

111 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 12:51:41pm

re: #110 dog philosopher

WHITES IS TEH REAL VICTIMZ

the day whites is the real victimz they will know it fer shure and won’t require convoluted arguments

Plenty of US whites are real victims of (non-racist) oppression. However, their oppressors tend to be other white people who find this business of a US divided along cultural and racial lines to be very convenient.

112 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 12:51:48pm

re: #110 dog philosopher

WHITES IS TEH REAL VICTIMZ

the day whites is the real victimz they will know it fer shure and won’t require convoluted arguments

as a matter of fact why don’t we just call it The Party Of Convoluted And Strained Theories And Arguments Hoping To Explain Away The Obvious That Are Only Believed By Credulous Morons Too Stupid Even To Have Heard Of The Word ‘Credulous’ Even Fercrissakes

113 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 12:52:59pm

re: #111 EPR-radar

Plenty of US whites are real victims of (non-racist) oppression. However, their oppressors tend to be other white people who find this business of a US divided along cultural and racial lines to be very convenient.

“thank you for the wonderful golden colored rain, wall st journal and fox news - it tastes like - VICTORY!!!”

114 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 12:53:03pm

re: #112 dog philosopher

as a matter of fact why don’t we just call it The Party Of Convoluted And Strained Theories And Arguments Hoping To Explain Away The Obvious That Are Only Believed By Credulous Morons Too Stupid Even To Have Heard Of The Word ‘Credulous’ Even Fercrissakes

tl;dr //

“The evil party” works for me these days. The evidence for this is getting to be overwhelming, after all.

115 ObserverArt  May 22, 2014 12:53:08pm

re: #50 Justanotherhuman

Gawd, to have to read the rantings of racist idiots and then see a photo of the ultra-smug Williams and Snowjob? Who at NBC is responsible for this “partnering” with “First Look”?

Stop the torture!

Is it something to do with Comcast? Is Omidyar involved as a big shareholder in Comcast…on the board…anything like that?

116 Charles Johnson  May 22, 2014 12:54:04pm
117 The Ghost of a Flea  May 22, 2014 12:55:06pm

Blacks need to just get over slavery. It was a long time ago.

Now excuse me while I drive away in my Battle Flag of the Confederacy bedecked truck.

118 Dr Lizardo  May 22, 2014 12:56:41pm

re: #110 dog philosopher

WHITES IS TEH REAL VICTIMZ

the day whites is the real victimz they will know it fer shure and won’t require convoluted arguments

The wingnuts in particular are loathe to look into the mirror and recognize themselves; that perhaps they are deeply prejudiced. And then there are those who openly wear their bigotry on their sleeves, and they’re quite proud of it; both of these groups would lose their minds if they had to actually admit that they are indeed no better than anyone else.

I confess to once having been prejudiced against LGBT people; this was simply a matter of: a) not having known any during my formative years and b) common social prejudice.

Over the course of my early adulthood, I wound up encountering LGBT folks from all walks of life. I admit, at first I was a little uncomfortable, but as I got to know them, my discomfort disappeared. Then one day, I sat down and watched The Times of Harvey Milk and through that, by viewing that outstanding documentary with an open and objective mind, my prejudice disappeared, because I gained empathy.

And empathy certainly seems to be lacking amongst the wingnut brigade, that’s for damned sure.

119 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2014 12:56:44pm

New York State’s turn today:

120 Kragar  May 22, 2014 12:56:45pm

By forcing the Department of Defense to maintain a larger force and, above all, more pet weapons systems than its budget can support, Congress is creating a military that is increasingly hollow, unfocused and unable to respond to the very real dangers facing the United States from Europe to East Asia.

How did this happen? Sequestration, of course. We’ve all been taught in school that “you can’t get something for nothing,” but apparently Congress was absent that day. In its recent markup of next year’s National Defense Authorization Act, DoD’s annual funding bill, the House Armed Services Committee (HASC) directed the military to keep the A-10 tank killer aircraft, U-2 spy plane and more than a dozen cruisers and amphibious ships that the Pentagon says it can’t afford. The HASC also wants to continue buying Abrams tanks and amphibious assault ships DoD didn’t ask for. And the committee blocked the Pentagon’s attempts to save money and reduce waste by reforming military compensation and closing excess bases and infrastructure. This week the Senate Armed Services Committee (SASC) begins its own markup of the NDAA. Given the opposition senators already expressed to any of the Pentagon’s proposed cost-cutting moves, it is likely the resulting legislation will drive up defense costs over the coming years without giving the military any more money.

The Pentagon, of course, does not want to make these cuts—it simply has no better alternative given the budget constraints Congress established in the 2013 Bipartisan Budget Act and 2011 Budget Control Act. Congress is trying to have it both ways by cutting defense spending and expecting the Defense Department to continue with business as usual. But the savings will have to come from somewhere.

121 Skip Intro  May 22, 2014 12:57:15pm

Some good news.

Tea Party Leader Arrested In Connection With Photos Of Thad Cochran’s Wife

The vice chairman of the Mississippi Tea Party and one other suspect were arrested Thursday in connection with photographs of Sen. Thad Cochran’s (R-Miss.) bedridden wife in a case that has roiled his reelection bid.

The Clarion-Ledger reports that attorney Mark Mayfield, a leader of the Mississippi Tea Party and officer with the Central Mississippi Tea Party, was arrested by police in Madison, Miss. The second suspect arrested has yet to be identified and no charges have been announced.

huffingtonpost.com

122 ObserverArt  May 22, 2014 12:57:42pm

re: #110 dog philosopher

WHITES IS TEH REAL VICTIMZ

the day whites is the real victimz they will know it fer shure and won’t require convoluted arguments

Yeah…victims of having to hear about the past that wasn’t too pretty. It seems many white folk think it is ALL in the past and there is no reason to keep bringing it up. Facts don’t matter. They learned in school slavery was ended, Jim Crow was buried so all is well. Don’t anyone harsh our buzz…we said we are sorry dammit…so move on.

Yeah, move on with the same ‘us’ and ‘them’ thinking that lies just under the surface.

123 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 12:58:30pm

re: #114 EPR-radar

tl;dr //

“The evil party” works for me these days. The evidence for this is getting to be overwhelming, after all.

i just check: is this yet another argument whose ultimate goal is to push down wages and/or eliminate consumer protection?

cui bono?

124 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2014 12:58:39pm

re: #108 Amory Blaine

A discussion of Native American issues among most company will give clues on the general mindset of american attitudes towards justice. Talk about any tragic historical event that affected NA and eventually the sentiment “yeah but they have the casinos now” will be the position.

And are the casinos really making a better life for that large of a percentage of them?

125 Killgore Trout  May 22, 2014 12:59:30pm

Manufacturing outrage for fun and profit
Adam Carolla to NPR: ‘Do Your Research’ Before You Call Me Racist

In the NPR interview, which Carolla is wondering if NPR will still have the “balls” to air, the comedian said he told the host, “I appreciate you trying to ambush me, but that wasn’t me. That’s Jo Koy, who happens to be Asian.” In response that host allegedly muttered, “Well, that helps.”

“That wasn’t me doing a stereotypically Asian voice, that was an Asian doing a stereotypically Asian voice,” Carolla clarified. Koy, who was also on the podcast Monday, stressed that it was a “really, really stereotypical” voice. Speaking to NPR, Carolla said, “You guys gotta do your research next time you call me in and try to call me racist.”

Carolla, who is currently promoting his new book, President Me: The America That’s in My Head, compared the experience to a recent interview he did with Salon, in which he said the website “baited” him into saying something that could be perceived as racist or sexist. In the controversial article, Carolla said he feels no “obligation” to lift anyone else up because of their race or gender and called out the gay community for turning into a “mafia” that demands “everyone apologize for every joke and retract every statement.”

126 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 12:59:46pm

re: #122 ObserverArt

Yeah…victims of having to hear about the past that wasn’t too pretty. It seems many white folk think it is ALL in the past and there is no reason to keep bringing it up. Facts don’t matter. They learned in school slavery was ended, Jim Crow was buried so all is well. Don’t anyone harsh our buzz…we said we are sorry dammit…so move on.

Yeah, move on with the same ‘us’ and ‘them’ thinking that lies just under the surface.

HURR HURR IT WAS TEH WHITE PEOPLE TAHT FREED TEH SLAVES!!!!!!!

127 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2014 1:00:06pm

re: #111 EPR-radar

Plenty of US whites are real victims of (non-racist) oppression. However, their oppressors tend to be other white people who find this business of a US divided along cultural and racial lines to be very convenient.

yep. A distraction since promoting those “wars” stops those being oppressed from seeing the class war that is really on-going.

128 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 1:00:32pm

re: #122 ObserverArt

Yeah…victims of having to hear about the past that wasn’t too pretty. It seems many white folk think it is ALL in the past and there is no reason to keep bringing it up. Facts don’t matter. They learned in school slavery was ended, Jim Crow was buried so all is well. Don’t anyone harsh our buzz…we said we are sorry dammit…so move on.

Yeah, move on with the same ‘us’ and ‘them’ thinking that lies just under the surface.

Their ongoing actions prove a complete lack of remorse, making the few apologies that have occurred purely individual events as opposed to anything of more institutional significance.

129 Minor_L  May 22, 2014 1:00:35pm

So, African-Americans need to just “get over that shit”, i.e. the BUYING AND SELLING OF HUMAN BEINGS, but the mere acknowledgement of racism is the greatest cross ever born by these poor #tcot-ers.

130 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2014 1:01:19pm

re: #114 EPR-radar

tl;dr //

“The evil party” works for me these days. The evidence for this is getting to be overwhelming, after all.

I’ll accept that name for them when they build a new national headquarters building out of giant matte black LEGO.

;)

131 Kragar  May 22, 2014 1:03:06pm

re: #126 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR IT WAS TEH WHITE PEOPLE TAHT FREED TEH SLAVES!!!!!!!

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My original response

132 Archangelus  May 22, 2014 1:03:52pm

re: #98 Mattand

Lord knows the IQ level at the GWU commencement was 100 times higher.

Think you’re missing a digit or two there…

133 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 1:05:04pm

what’s all this i hear about these here “annie may” cartoons?

134 b.d.  May 22, 2014 1:05:04pm

Is it time for the cartoonish supervillian Assange to name the country yet?

135 Sergey Romanov  May 22, 2014 1:05:35pm

If they could get away with this, they would bring back slavery in no time.

136 Sergey Romanov  May 22, 2014 1:09:33pm
A Republican Nevada state assemblyman said that he would vote for legislation in favor of slavery if his constituents wanted him to. According to the Las Vegas Sun, Jim Wheeler of Gardnerville, NV was speaking to the Storey County Republican Party when he made the remarks last August, although they are only now coming to light.

“If that’s what they wanted, I’d have to hold my nose, I’d have to bite my tongue and they’d probably have to hold a gun to my head, but yeah, if that’s what the citizens of the, if that’s what the constituency wants that elected me, that’s what they elected me for,” he said. “That’s what a republic is about.”

rawstory.com

137 Skip Intro  May 22, 2014 1:10:20pm

And Orangeman states the obvious:

Yesterday, Republican Speaker John Boehner admitted that “there’s not that big a difference” between the Tea Party and the GOP.

huffingtonpost.com

138 ObserverArt  May 22, 2014 1:12:40pm

re: #135 Sergey Romanov

If they could get away with this, they would bring back slavery in no time.

But this time, they would add other others and probably throw in some low performing white folk too.

I kinda get the idea it would be somewhere around 47% of the population would be the ideal candidates.

Hmmm. 47%. Now where did I get that number from?

///

139 Dr Lizardo  May 22, 2014 1:12:41pm

re: #136 Sergey Romanov

rawstory.com

So basically, Assemblyman Wheeler there lacks the courage to tell his constituents in that hypothetical scenario, “You’re wrong.”

140 Bubblehead II  May 22, 2014 1:15:05pm

I love it when they eat their own.

Nasty Texas GOP race gets nastier with brawl over psychiatric records

The medical history on Patrick, drawn from a criminal and civil court case, was released by Texas Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, who finished fourth in the primary but later endorsed Dewhurst. The records chronicle psychiatric hospital stays in 1982 and 1986 in which Patrick “needed sitters around the clock for being severely depressed.” Patterson says the information was “not leaked, but in the public domain for 25 years.”

141 blueraven  May 22, 2014 1:15:33pm

re: #136 Sergey Romanov

rawstory.com

Idiot. Missing the concept of “Leadership”.

142 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 1:15:47pm

re: #138 ObserverArt

But this time, they would add other others and probably throw in some low performing white folk too.

I kinda get the idea it would be somewhere around 47% of the population would be the ideal candidates.

Hmmm. 47%. Now where did I get that number from?

///

Considering all that I have seen on #tcot regarding the minimum wage, they think it would be a great idea to round up all teh blahs and make them work at Walmart and fast food outlets for no pay or maybe a token $1/hr HURR HURR BUT EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE JRRBS!!!!!!

143 ObserverArt  May 22, 2014 1:15:47pm

re: #137 Skip Intro

And Orangeman states the obvious:

Yesterday, Republican Speaker John Boehner admitted that “there’s not that big a difference” between the Tea Party and the GOP.

huffingtonpost.com

Big John has turned not only into the biggest do-nothing Speaker of the House in History…he has also proven that in spite of his barking, he is the biggest wuss politician in the same position in history too. A complete fake in my book. Sad thing, he gets paid big to be a complete dud. I guess he really does not care that history will be very unkind to the Orangeman.

144 Archangelus  May 22, 2014 1:15:59pm

re: #104 Justanotherhuman

Gawd, is there no level to which the RW won’t stoop? No lies they won’t tell? No bigotry too vile? No ignorance left unturned?

145 Sergey Romanov  May 22, 2014 1:21:21pm

re: #143 ObserverArt

Taugenichtsorangenkopf.

146 Dr Lizardo  May 22, 2014 1:21:59pm

re: #145 Sergey Romanov

Taugenichtsorangenkopf.

I’ve always preferred “The Human Cheeto”.

147 Gus  May 22, 2014 1:22:21pm

3 Asses and a Mule

148 Bubblehead II  May 22, 2014 1:24:06pm

re: #147 Gus

3 Asses and a Mule

You tweet that yet?

149 Sergey Romanov  May 22, 2014 1:25:04pm

re: #146 Dr Lizardo

I’ve always preferred “The Human Cheeto”.

I’ve heard The Human Cheeto 2 will soon be on the screens and it’s even more stomach-turning ///

150 Gus  May 22, 2014 1:25:07pm

re: #148 Bubblehead II

You tweet that yet?

Nope.

151 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2014 1:25:17pm

re: #148 Bubblehead II

You tweet that yet?

pretty sure VB did that earlier today.

152 Bubblehead II  May 22, 2014 1:26:15pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

pretty VB did that earlier today.

Cool.

153 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 1:27:05pm

re: #148 Bubblehead II

You tweet that yet?

154 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 1:27:53pm

I think Rosie O’Donnell could play Laura Poitras.

155 Sergey Romanov  May 22, 2014 1:34:54pm

Rosie killed the thread.

156 blueraven  May 22, 2014 1:35:22pm

re: #121 Skip Intro

Some good news.

Tea Party Leader Arrested In Connection With Photos Of Thad Cochran’s Wife

huffingtonpost.com

It is up to three more charged now, not including the blogger who actually took the photo. Conspiracy charges

2:45 p.m.: Third person charged today in the Rose Cochran video scandal is John Mary. Authorities have not confirmed he has been arrested, only charged. No other details are known.

1:30 p.m.: District Attorney Michael Guest confirms that Richard Sager of Laurel is the second person arrested today in relation to the Rose Cochran photo scandal.

Sager is a P.E. teacher at Mason Elementary School in Laurel. He’s also the assistant boys soccer coach for the high school. He served as the head soccer coach at Mississippi Delta Community College from 2002-06.

12:30 p.m.: Madison city court officials say that Mark Mayfield will appear before a judge today.

Also, attorney Kevin Camp, who represents Clayton Kelly, said two more arrests either have been or will be made in addition to Mayfield. All three are expected to face conspiracy charges.

157 Ian G.  May 22, 2014 1:35:49pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow, that’s a sweet looking hook echo there. No reports of wind damage yet on the SPC site, but apparently Amsterdam, NY (just to the north and west of that warning) got pounded by hail up to 2 inches in diameter, presumably by this supercell.

158 Gus  May 22, 2014 1:39:27pm

Hail.

159 Dr Lizardo  May 22, 2014 1:40:59pm

re: #158 Gus

Hail.

Hail, as in weather, or as in Hail Hydra?

160 Bulworth  May 22, 2014 1:41:44pm

Stay classy, Mississippi teabaggers…

161 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 1:41:51pm

A Libertarian response to Ta-Nehisi Coates. Srsly, this may be the stupidest shit you will read all day.

162 Gus  May 22, 2014 1:43:28pm

re: #159 Dr Lizardo

Hail, as in weather, or as in Hail Hydra?

Hail as in chick pea sized hail falling from the sky.

163 b_sharp  May 22, 2014 1:44:58pm

re: #162 Gus

Hail as in chick pea sized hail falling from the sky.

When it gets puck sized, then you’re in trouble.

164 Gus  May 22, 2014 1:46:32pm

re: #163 b_sharp

When it gets puck sized, then you’re in trouble.

First Swedish meatball sized then Italian meatballs.

165 wrenchwench  May 22, 2014 1:47:06pm

re: #147 Gus

3 Asses and a Mule

Poitras is looking at the camera. What are the other three looking at?

166 b_sharp  May 22, 2014 1:47:51pm

re: #165 wrenchwench

Poitras is looking at the camera. What are the other three looking at?

Pictures of them with halos.

167 Dr Lizardo  May 22, 2014 1:48:03pm

re: #161 Pie-onist Overlord

A Libertarian response to Ta-Nehisi Coates. Srsly, this may be the stupidest shit you will read all day.

[Embedded content]

Yep. That was pretty stoopid; I red teh hole think an i thing mi IQ drahped 20 pointz.

*headdesk* Libertarians are assclowns.

168 Gus  May 22, 2014 1:48:11pm

re: #165 wrenchwench

Poitras is looking at the camera. What are the other three looking at?

The FSB personnel.

169 Bubblehead II  May 22, 2014 1:48:28pm

re: #165 wrenchwench

Poitras is looking at the camera. What are the other three looking at?

Eddies FSB escort?

170 Bubblehead II  May 22, 2014 1:49:30pm

re: #168 Gus

The FSB personnel.

17 seconds. Curse you Gus!

171 bubba zanetti  May 22, 2014 1:49:47pm
172 Flounder  May 22, 2014 1:50:19pm

Alcoholics paid in beer to clean streets.

In Amsterdam, a program partially funded by the government pays alcoholics with beer to pick up litter. The goal is to get them off the streets, where they drink all day. NBC’s Katy Tur reports.

I hope maybe it is a start to their sobriety. Although thinking back on my continued journey with sobriety, I had to hold down a job so I could pay for beer.

173 Ryan King  May 22, 2014 1:51:02pm

Every conservative should be for reparations, because all that stimulus would trickle down and make black folk rich and make them GOP.

Seems legit.

174 Gus  May 22, 2014 1:52:18pm

Siren.

175 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 1:52:58pm

re: #161 Pie-onist Overlord

It really is amazingly stupid. All the evils of racism are blamed on “big government”.

As if racist government institutions magically became racist on their own only because of emanations from the Lovecraftian ur-evil of “big government”.

Sorry Mr. libertarian idiot, we have and have had racism in US government only because of racism in US society.

Not so incidentally, the main instances of massive progress in confronting this issue in the US were because of federal action.

176 b_sharp  May 22, 2014 1:54:18pm

re: #174 Gus

Siren.

Stay safe.

177 b.d.  May 22, 2014 1:55:35pm

re: #174 Gus

Siren.

Again?

178 Gus  May 22, 2014 1:55:38pm

re: #176 b_sharp

Stay safe.

I’ll head to the basement as soon as I hear a loud train outside.

179 Gus  May 22, 2014 1:56:13pm

re: #177 b.d.

Again?

Yep. Outside my area but in the box.

180 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 1:56:19pm

re: #175 EPR-radar

It really is amazingly stupid. All the evils of racism are blamed on “big government”.

As if racist government institutions magically became racist on their own only because of emanations from the Lovecraftian ur-evil of “big government”.

Sorry Mr. libertarian idiot, we have and have had racism in US government only because of racism in US society.

Not so incidentally, the main instances of massive progress in confronting this issue in the US were because of federal action.

Blaming “big government” is a cop out as always. And you’re right. The main instances of massive progress were caused by federal action. And consequently alot of evils like slavery and Jim Crow were defended because states rights! and local knows best. The one thing I do blame the Feds for is not making Reconstruction longer but that’s the opposite of an indictment of a powerful federal government.

181 ObserverArt  May 22, 2014 1:56:35pm

Just wanted to jump in and mention I am listening to ESPN radio as I whip up some meatballs.

This whole reparations discussion is going on the Dan Le Batard show. He has Bomani Jones on and they are kicking it pretty good. They are tossing in the Clippers owner Sterling, Mark Cuban and the whole history of slavery trough Jim Crow.

Le Betard is happy the article is in the Atlantic and sad that most white people will never read it.

I wonder if there are transcripts of the show available on line. It might be a good read. Jones cuts no one any slack.

If your around a radio, you might want to tune it. Just think Sports Radio having the conversation that mainstream media will pass over.

182 Gus  May 22, 2014 1:57:30pm

1 hour ago.

183 Mike Lamb  May 22, 2014 1:57:38pm

re: #172 Flounder

Alcoholics paid in beer to clean streets.

I hope maybe it is a start to their sobriety. Although thinking back on my continued journey with sobriety, I had to hold down a job so I could pay for beer.

Pay them in Heineken and they’ll sober up very quickly.

184 Bubblehead II  May 22, 2014 1:57:41pm

re: #174 Gus

Siren.

Stay safe.

185 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 1:58:03pm
186 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 1:58:20pm

re: #175 EPR-radar

It really is amazingly stupid. All the evils of racism are blamed on “big government”.

As if racist government institutions magically became racist on their own only because of emanations from the Lovecraftian ur-evil of “big government”.

Sorry Mr. libertarian idiot, we have and have had racism in US government only because of racism in US society.

Not so incidentally, the main instances of massive progress in confronting this issue in the US were because of federal action.

i would amend that to say we have racism because americans are humans, and humans are fatally addicted to arbitrary and dehumanizing divisions into us and them

187 Gus  May 22, 2014 2:00:11pm

All quiet now. Wasn’t much.

188 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 2:00:14pm

Which will be the loser?

Republican National Committee says Denver, Dallas, Cleveland and Kansas City, Mo., make cut to host 2016 convention - @denverpost
Read more on denverpost.com

189 NJDhockeyfan  May 22, 2014 2:00:38pm
190 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 2:01:29pm

re: #188 Justanotherhuman

Which will be the loser?

Republican National Committee says Denver, Dallas, Cleveland and Kansas City, Mo., make cut to host 2016 convention - @denverpost
Read more on denverpost.com

I’d wager Denver or Cleveland. You know that Colorado and Ohio are both states that they’re eager to win back.

191 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 2:02:04pm

re: #181 ObserverArt

Just wanted to jump in and mention I am listening to ESPN radio as I whip up some meatballs.

This whole reparations discussion is going on the Dan Le Batard show. He has Bomani Jones on and they are kicking it pretty good. They are tossing in the Clippers owner Sterling, Mark Cuban and the whole history of slavery trough Jim Crow.

Le Betard is happy the article is in the Atlantic and sad that most white people will never read it.

I wonder if there are transcripts of the show available on line. It might be a good read. Jones cuts no one any slack.

If your around a radio, you might want to tune it. Just think Sports Radio having the conversation that mainstream media will pass over.

I really do wish there were more sports pundits like LeBatard. Always like him when he guest stars on PTI. I’m a big Wilbon fan too.

192 Gus  May 22, 2014 2:04:10pm

Ahem.

193 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 2:04:13pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

Haha, I wouldn’t go back where I was no longer wanted. : )

194 Sergey Romanov  May 22, 2014 2:04:20pm

Youtube Video

195 Stanley Sea  May 22, 2014 2:05:11pm

Still sifting through some of the responses to TNC’s article. Here’s a quote from him:

I hope this is the start of a long conversation. I made my argument from the perspective of housing, but I strongly suspect that reparations arguments could be made from the perspective of criminal justice, education, health care, or from any number of angles.

196 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 2:05:27pm

re: #193 Justanotherhuman

Haha, I wouldn’t go back where I was no longer wanted. : )

Well they did have it in Tampa this past year. I’m just wagering that they go with a city in a state that they won under Bush but lost under Obama. Ohio and Colorado are both examples of such states.

197 b.d.  May 22, 2014 2:05:50pm

re: #192 Gus

Ahem.

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I don’t know even know where to begin.

198 Dr Lizardo  May 22, 2014 2:05:56pm

re: #182 Gus

1 hour ago.

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Yeah, when you see Godzilla in the sky, you’re pretty much screwed.

199 allegro  May 22, 2014 2:09:14pm

re: #198 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, when we see Godzilla in the sky, you’re pretty much screwed.

Gus needs to shop that with Godzilla spewing forth a tornado.

200 Bubblehead II  May 22, 2014 2:10:17pm

re: #185 Justanotherhuman

re: #189 NJDhockeyfan

We had a small one touch down yesterday. While tornado’s aren’t unheard of here in Southern Idaho, it seems like we are starting to see more of them in the last few years.

201 Ian G.  May 22, 2014 2:12:12pm

re: #157 Ian G.

May have spoken too soon:

spc.noaa.gov

Reports of damaged/destroyed homes in Albany and Schenectady Counties. Might not be a tornado, but I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if an NWS survey confirms a tornado touched down.

202 Romantic Heretic  May 22, 2014 2:13:18pm

re: #11 Dr Lizardo

I posted this in the downstairs thread, and it sums up my point of view as best I can.

And from what I can see in the Tweets at the top of the story, there’s a whole lotta people who will simply never part with their illusions - or more, appropriately, delusions.

It’s a matter of identity. How these people answer the question, “Who are you?”

This identity is wrapped up in the American theology and so it cannot be questioned. To do so risks becoming even more unmoored from a world they don’t understand.

203 NJDhockeyfan  May 22, 2014 2:13:31pm

re: #199 allegro

Gus needs to shop that with Godzilla spewing forth a tornado.

Godzilnado!

204 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2014 2:14:33pm

re: #198 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, when you see Godzilla in the sky, you’re pretty much screwed.

Can that be set to the tune of “Spirit In the Sky”?
:)

205 Feline Fearless Leader  May 22, 2014 2:16:36pm

Kaijunado - triggered by a moth’s wings of course. Just happens to be a really BIG moth!

206 Gus  May 22, 2014 2:16:57pm
207 Sergey Romanov  May 22, 2014 2:17:58pm

re: #203 NJDhockeyfan

Godzilnado!

Oh no. You just gave The Asylum a very bad idea…

208 BeenHereAwhile  May 22, 2014 2:20:09pm

re: #181 ObserverArt

Just wanted to jump in and mention I am listening to ESPN radio as I whip up some meatballs.

This whole reparations discussion is going on the Dan Le Batard show. He has Bomani Jones on and they are kicking it pretty good. They are tossing in the Clippers owner Sterling, Mark Cuban and the whole history of slavery trough Jim Crow.

Le Betard is happy the article is in the Atlantic and sad that most white people will never read it.

I wonder if there are transcripts of the show available on line. It might be a good read. Jones cuts no one any slack.

If your around a radio, you might want to tune it. Just think Sports Radio having the conversation that mainstream media will pass over.

Bomani is on the Dan Lebatard show every Thursday, and sometimes (jokingly) refers to his appearance as “ask the negro.” Dan’s show is not typical ESPN fare.

Dan Lebatard is infamous on conservative radio for his once appearance on the Hannity radio show. He (on a remote) was part of a panel to discuss race relations and kept loudly questioning why there were no blacks taking part in this discussion.

He was summarily cut off, and has not been invited back.

209 Ian G.  May 22, 2014 2:20:25pm

re: #192 Gus

Riders were worried about helmets casting magic spells

I’m sorry, but if you launch an armed insurgency and start killing people because you’re afraid of bike helmets casting spells on you, it’s not the government’s fault for passing the law, it’s your fault for believing in crazy things. I think this point flies over the dudebro’s heads.

210 Dr Lizardo  May 22, 2014 2:21:59pm

re: #202 Romantic Heretic

It’s a matter of identity. How these people answer the question, “Who are you?”

This identity is wrapped up in the American theology and so it cannot be questioned. To do so risks becoming even more unmoored from a world they don’t understand.

That’s a good point, and heaven knows they’re becoming increasingly agitated at being unmoored as the world around them changes beyond all recognition (from their point of view).

I could well imagine that is why they hold on so desperately to the identity they know, and if that’s taken away from them, then they will simply no longer know how to relate to the rest of the world around them. I suppose it would be profoundly traumatic, and that is a situation they seek to avoid at all costs.

211 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 2:22:37pm

Charles,
Are press releases exempt from the 4 paragraph clip rule? I got a doozy...

212 Gus  May 22, 2014 2:22:43pm

re: #209 Ian G.

I’m sorry, but if you launch an armed insurgency and start killing people because you’re afraid of bike helmets casting spells on you, it’s not the government’s fault for passing the law, it’s your fault for believing in crazy things. I think this point flies over the dudebro’s heads.

BIKE HELMETS ARE LIKE THE NSA AND THEY SPELL TYRANNY!

213 b.d.  May 22, 2014 2:23:05pm

re: #209 Ian G.

I’m sorry, but if you launch an armed insurgency and start killing people because you’re afraid of bike helmets casting spells on you, it’s not the government’s fault for passing the law, it’s your fault for believing in crazy things. I think this point flies over the dudebro’s heads.

Playing off of one’s irrational fears is a Dudebro’s stock-in-trade.

214 NJDhockeyfan  May 22, 2014 2:24:18pm
215 Gus  May 22, 2014 2:27:57pm

Explanatory journalism.

216 b.d.  May 22, 2014 2:28:11pm

Fort Hood blocks inbound traffic ‘due to potential force protection’


wfaa.com

217 Romantic Heretic  May 22, 2014 2:28:16pm

re: #87 leftynyc

I think my head is going to explode:

dailykos.com

I tried for a better source buy Media Matters gets blocked (for some strange reason). Was going for the daily cat thread and found this.

War criminal says what?

218 Ryan King  May 22, 2014 2:31:55pm

Inside a Hollywood Hit Job: How Sting Artist James O’Keefe Tried to Set His Latest Trap - And Got Stung Himself

Sting artist James O’Keefe says anti-fracking filmmaker Josh Fox is one of his latest victims. But Fox says his own secret tape reveals O’Keefe’s true methods.

LOL you vile pathetic hack.

219 Gus  May 22, 2014 2:33:42pm

I’m start to hate these stupid hipster journalists.

220 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 2:34:31pm

re: #211 Rightwingconspirator

Charles,
Are press releases exempt from the 4 paragraph clip rule? I got a doozy...

Again, explain how one becomes delusional?

221 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 2:35:25pm

re: #219 Gus

I’m start to hate these stupid hipster journalists.

There are journalists? Thought they away like typewriter mechanics.
(1/100th of a sarc)

222 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 2:35:46pm

re: #220 Justanotherhuman

?

223 ObserverArt  May 22, 2014 2:36:21pm

re: #208 BeenHereAwhile

Bomani is on the Dan Lebatard show every Thursday, and sometimes (jokingly) refers to his appearance as “ask the negro.” Dan’s show is not typical ESPN fare.

Dan Lebatard is infamous on conservative radio for his once appearance on the Hannity radio show. He (on a remote) was part of a panel to discuss race relations and kept loudly questioning why there were no blacks taking part in this discussion.

He was summarily cut off, and has not been invited back.

I don’t listen to LeBatard all the time, but the times I have he has been a bit more thorough in discussion than the typical ESPN radio dude. Also, he seems to dive into topics that are not standard sports radio.

As far as ESPN radio, I’m still trying to figure out if Colin Herd is a complete asshole, or just plays one on radio? Sometimes he says something smart and other times he is a complete jerk and carries ESPN water as the greatest thing eva!

224 Charles Johnson  May 22, 2014 2:36:43pm

re: #211 Rightwingconspirator

Charles,
Are press releases exempt from the 4 paragraph clip rule? I got a doozy...

Seems like the purpose of a press release is for it to be published widely - shouldn’t be a problem.

225 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 2:37:29pm

re: #222 Rightwingconspirator

?

They say they’re “winning”. So did Charlie Sheen.

226 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 2:39:36pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

Thanks.
From a site few will like by way of it’s purpose, Paging shortly.

227 ObserverArt  May 22, 2014 2:39:54pm

re: #219 Gus

I’m start to hate these stupid hipster journalists.

Can’t imagine why? Amazing how they all seem to suffer myopia which does not a good journalist make.

////+///

228 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 2:40:17pm

Dog was inside what?

229 gwangung  May 22, 2014 2:41:08pm

re: #228 Justanotherhuman

Yeow.

230 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 2:41:24pm

re: #228 Justanotherhuman

Dog was inside what?

inside of a dog it’s too dark to read

231 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 2:42:19pm

Newport Beach Jazz Fest

Southern California’s Most Famous Smooth Jazz Festival Returns!

“smooth” jazz??

count me out

232 ObserverArt  May 22, 2014 2:42:27pm

re: #228 Justanotherhuman

Dog was inside what?

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Oh, I hope they find them.

Do most houses have full basements out there?

233 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 2:42:27pm

Fort Hood in Texas shut down due to an investigation, officials say - @KCENNews
Read more on kcentv.com

“Officials say that nobody is allowed onto Fort Hood but people are allowed to leave.

“A Public Affairs officer tells KCEN that they are trying to keep someone or something from entering Fort Hood. The official said a call came in that gave the commander cause to close inbound traffic.

“III Corps and Fort Hood have released this statement:

“Precautionary security measures enacted. Effective immediately, all inbound traffic into Fort Hood has been blocked at all access control points due to a potential force protection issue. All outbound traffic is flowing normally.”

234 Charles Johnson  May 22, 2014 2:42:59pm
235 NJDhockeyfan  May 22, 2014 2:47:04pm

Excellent new video…

236 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 2:47:08pm

Phoned in threat that’s being taken very seriously.

Police: Fort Hood closed to all inbound traffic after threatening phone call - @kwtx
Read more on kwtx.com

237 TedStriker  May 22, 2014 2:48:14pm

re: #228 Justanotherhuman

Dog was inside what?

House on Route 20, Duanesburg. Dog found inside is okay. Resident and child unaccounted for. pic.twitter.com
— Craig Smith (@CBS6Craig) May 22, 2014

238 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 2:48:55pm

re: #235 NJDhockeyfan

Excellent new video…

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Heavenly Gilmour.

239 darthstar  May 22, 2014 2:49:57pm

Heh…I love this quote from the latest O’Keefe debacle:

Hemingway, who is also an author and environmental and fitness advocate, was immediately suspicious, noting that the man was wearing cheap pants and shoes.

O’Keefe probably thought Dockers and Hush Puppies would do the trick.

240 Pie-onist Overlord  May 22, 2014 2:50:05pm

WTFITS

241 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 22, 2014 2:51:12pm

re: #211 Rightwingconspirator

Charles,
Are press releases exempt from the 4 paragraph clip rule? I got a doozy...

God, they still don’t get it.

Don’t march with your guns. How hard is that to figure out?

I’d be actually impressed by a march of ‘responsible gun owners’ who demonstrated that responsibility by leaving their guns the fuck at home.

242 allegro  May 22, 2014 2:53:25pm

re: #241 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

God, they still don’t get it.

Don’t march with your guns. How hard is that to figure out?

I’d be actually impressed by a march of ‘responsible gun owners’ who demonstrated that responsibility by leaving their guns the fuck at home.

I’m trying to figure out why they think that those who object to their rifles will ever be accepting of their revolvers.

243 TedStriker  May 22, 2014 2:55:28pm

re: #241 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

God, they still don’t get it.

Don’t march with your guns. How hard is that to figure out?

I’d be actually impressed by a march of ‘responsible gun owners’ who demonstrated that responsibility by leaving their guns the fuck at home.

You know, just as I do, that these gun owners’ “marches” are all about a show of power, perceived or otherwise.

If anyone fits the archetype of the “brownshirt”, it’s these fucks.

244 Charles Johnson  May 22, 2014 2:55:37pm

re: #241 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

God, they still don’t get it.

Don’t march with your guns. How hard is that to figure out?

I’d be actually impressed by a march of ‘responsible gun owners’ who demonstrated that responsibility by leaving their guns the fuck at home.

This is one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever seen. NO. We do not want to live in a country where everyone walks around everywhere with high-powered rifles.

Kthxbai.

245 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 2:56:11pm

re: #242 allegro

I’m trying to figure out why they think that those who object to their rifles will ever be accepting of their revolvers.

There is a bit of a difference between someone brandishing a rifle and having a holstered handgun.

However, it’s not a very impressive difference IMO.

246 Charles Johnson  May 22, 2014 2:56:50pm

Anyone who does this, with no regard for the people they’re scaring and intimidating, is (to use the vernacular) a total fucking asshole.

247 Amory Blaine  May 22, 2014 2:57:13pm

Who’s he to tell me how I march with my long gun!!! I’m carrying one in each hand, fingers on the triggers!!!!

248 allegro  May 22, 2014 2:57:53pm

re: #243 TedStriker

You know, just as I do, that these gun owners’ “marches” are all about a show of power, perceived or otherwise.

Using fear and intimidation. What’s that definition of terrorism again?

249 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 2:58:13pm

re: #246 Charles Johnson

Anyone who does this, with no regard for the people they’re scaring and intimidating, is (to use the vernacular) a total fucking asshole.

They don’t care. And that’s why they’re assholes.

250 Targetpractice  May 22, 2014 2:59:56pm

Is there a variant of hypochondria that makes one believe their computer is on the verge of complete collapse? Because it seems I’ve been in the grip of such for weeks now. Guess that’s one of the side-effects of being unemployed, every squeak and rattle starts worrying you because you know you don’t have the money to afford a replacement.

On the upside, taking a break from my PC gave me a chance to finally watch the film version of World War Z. And uh…yeah…it’s entertaining, but crap.

251 allegro  May 22, 2014 3:01:08pm

re: #245 EPR-radar

There is a bit of a difference between someone brandishing a rifle and having a holstered handgun.

However, it’s not a very impressive difference IMO.

I see no difference at all. Their purpose is the same as is the intent of their owners, outside of LE.

252 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 3:01:51pm

They do realize that these kind of tactics turn people off big time right? It doesn’t make them look tough or bad ass. It makes them look like total tools.

253 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 3:01:56pm

re: #241 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

God, they still don’t get it.

Don’t march with your guns. How hard is that to figure out?

I’d be actually impressed by a march of ‘responsible gun owners’ who demonstrated that responsibility by leaving their guns the fuck at home.

That has happened. Park protest, not a march when I went there and did that. The media does not show up, no spectacle.

254 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2014 3:03:25pm

re: #246 Charles Johnson

Anyone who does this, with no regard for the people they’re scaring and intimidating, is (to use the vernacular) a total fucking asshole.

They WANT to scare and intimate. That’s the whole point.

255 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 3:04:08pm

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

They WANT to scare and intimate. That’s the whole point.

And yet they want to call other people thugs. Takes one to know one idiots.

256 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 3:04:30pm

re: #251 allegro

Long guns are way more intimidating in general. As a person who has made use of open carry in a city where it is not uncommon it really is no big deal. Tuscon, Az. Had my pistol “open carry” to and from the convention center each day of the gem show.

257 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 3:04:35pm

re: #251 allegro

I see no difference at all. Their purpose is the same as is the intent of their owners, outside of LE.

Distinction without a difference is one way to put it.

However, those black panthers back in the day that got gun control passed in CA were brandishing rifles. Holstered handguns would have been a less direct threat.

258 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 22, 2014 3:05:44pm

re: #253 Rightwingconspirator

That has happened. Park protest, not a march when I went there and did that. The media does not show up, no spectacle.

The solution is not to bring your gun and make a negative spectacle of yourself instead. It’s so self-defeating.

259 BeenHereAwhile  May 22, 2014 3:05:45pm

re: #223 ObserverArt

I don’t listen to LeBatard all the time, but the times I have he has been a bit more thorough in discussion than the typical ESPN radio dude. Also, he seems to dive into topics that are not standard sports radio.

As far as ESPN radio, I’m still trying to figure out if Colin Herd is a complete asshole, or just plays one on radio? Sometimes he says something smart and other times he is a complete jerk and carries ESPN water as the greatest thing eva!

As Dan says, “I think we’re forgetting this is supposed to be a radio sports talk show.”

Since moving to Nashville (it’s not carried by ESPN locally), I stream Dan’s show from his home station, 790 AM in Miami. It’s the only sports talk show I listen to regularly.

Because if a guest is only able to speak in “coach talk, give a 110%, etc,” and has nothing interesting to say, Dan will discontinue the interview.

260 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 3:06:34pm

When an advocacy group backs up like that it’s a pretty good sign they get it. Terribly counterproductive.

Of course one should remember in Texas guns are far more acceptable than other states.

261 Dr Lizardo  May 22, 2014 3:06:54pm

re: #257 EPR-radar

Distinction without a difference is one way to put it.

However, those black panthers back in the day that got gun control passed in CA were brandishing rifles. Holstered handguns would have been a less direct threat.

If these open-carry wingnuts saw this, they’d probably lose control of their bowels.

262 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2014 3:06:58pm

re: #256 Rightwingconspirator

Long guns are way more intimidating in general. As a person who has made use of open carry in a city where it is not uncommon it really is no big deal. Tuscon, Az. Had my pistol “open carry” to and from the convention center each day of the gem show.

And I’m pretty sure you didn’t look or act anything like those goobers at Chipotle’s, or a Bundy Rancher.

263 Amory Blaine  May 22, 2014 3:07:57pm

“The convenient folding stock on our AR-15 models make it perfect for a day at the beach!”

264 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 3:07:58pm

re: #261 Dr Lizardo

[Embedded image]

If these open-carry wingnuts saw this, they’d probably lose control of their bowels.

That’s the kind of image that makes wingnuts into gun control supporters.

265 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2014 3:08:24pm

re: #263 Amory Blaine

“The convenient folding stock on our AR-15 models make it perfect for a day at the beach!”

It doubles as a beach chair!

266 allegro  May 22, 2014 3:08:33pm

re: #256 Rightwingconspirator

Long guns are way more intimidating in general. As a person who has made use of open carry in a city where it is not uncommon it really is no big deal. Tuscon, Az. Had my pistol “open carry” to and from the convention center each day of the gem show.

You open carried in restaurants, grocery stores, gas stations…?

Yeah, that is that big of a deal.

267 Targetpractice  May 22, 2014 3:09:03pm

New Black Panther brandishing a billy club at polling place: “Look at the intimidation! White people were afraid to go and vote! This was a form of voter suppression!”

TPer shows up at Chipolte’s with rifle slung over shoulder: “He’s exercising his Constitutional right to bear arms! There’s nothing threatening about that! You’re overreacting!!!”

268 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 3:09:50pm

re: #267 Targetpractice

New Black Panther brandishing a billy club at polling place: “Look at the intimidation! White people were afraid to go and vote! This was a form of voter suppression!”

TPer shows up at Chipolte’s with rifle slung over shoulder: “He’s exercising his Constitutional right to bear arms! There’s nothing threatening about that! You’re overreacting!!!”

It’s typical wingnut bullshit.

269 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 3:11:24pm

re: #258 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The solution is not to bring your gun and make a negative spectacle of yourself instead. It’s so self-defeating.

True. So on one hand have you march with no guns and get no notice. No publicity. Now it’s just a gun owners picnic. On the other hand the spectacle hurt the cause. Bit of a dilemma.

270 Dr Lizardo  May 22, 2014 3:11:54pm

re: #267 Targetpractice

New Black Panther brandishing a billy club at polling place: “Look at the intimidation! White people were afraid to go and vote! This was a form of voter suppression!”

TPer shows up at Chipolte’s with rifle slung over shoulder: “He’s exercising his Constitutional right to bear arms! There’s nothing threatening about that! You’re overreacting!!!”

And if they saw something like the photo in my #261, it would be all over Fox News and the wingnuts would be Tweeting OMG! TEH BLAH REVOLUTION HAS BEGUN!11! The wingnuts would go out of their minds in two seconds flat.

271 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 22, 2014 3:12:05pm

re: #260 Rightwingconspirator

When an advocacy group backs up like that it’s a pretty good sign they get it. Terribly counterproductive.

Of course one should remember in Texas guns are far more acceptable than other states.

They’re not backing up, though. They’re not getting it. They’re saying bring your long guns—in a sling, and don’t go into random businesses. That’s not ‘getting it’. People aren’t more comforted by a phalanx of people with guns marching down the street than crowding into their Chipotle. Both aren’t a good image, except to people who already support them.

That came so close when it said to only go to small businesses that are supporters, but it missed the ball.

272 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 22, 2014 3:12:43pm

re: #269 Rightwingconspirator

True. So on one hand have you march with no guns and get no notice. No publicity. Now it’s just a gun owners picnic. On the other hand the spectacle hurt the cause. Bit of a dilemma.

Every other advocacy group on earth marches without guns, I think that gun owners can handle it.

273 gwangung  May 22, 2014 3:12:49pm

re: #267 Targetpractice

New Black Panther brandishing a billy club at polling place: “Look at the intimidation! White people were afraid to go and vote! This was a form of voter suppression!”

In an area that’s overwhelmingly black? Yeah, right. It’s more like the equivalent of the Applachian “Oh, him? That’s Cousin Jethro….he got a bug up his butt about some such. Don’t pay him no mind.”

274 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 3:13:30pm

re: #266 allegro

You open carried in restaurants, grocery stores, gas stations…?

Yeah, that is that big of a deal.

That’s my sticking point as well. Home defense I can deal with, defending a business with cause (e.g., cash, gems, precious metals, prior robberies etc) I can also deal with, but widespread carry in public for no particular reason is a model I can’t accept.

A car backfires and everybody draws weapons looking for the shooter?

275 Charles Johnson  May 22, 2014 3:13:45pm
276 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2014 3:14:44pm

re: #274 EPR-radar

That’s my sticking point as well. Home defense I can deal with, defending a business with cause (e.g., cash, gems, precious metals, prior robberies etc) I can also deal with, but widespread carry in public for no particular reason is a model I can’t accept.

A car backfires and everybody draws weapons looking for the shooter?

Or has happened recently at a shopping mall, a metal display rack falls over and 911 calls start coming in as “shots fired”.

277 darthstar  May 22, 2014 3:14:48pm

Smokin!
Image: 854024916.gif

278 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2014 3:15:07pm
279 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 3:15:22pm

re: #274 EPR-radar

That’s my sticking point as well. Home defense I can deal with, defending a business with cause (e.g., cash, gems, precious metals, prior robberies etc) I can also deal with, but widespread carry in public for no particular reason is a model I can’t accept.

A car backfires and everybody draws weapons looking for the shooter?

And indeed that’s the kind of thing that has led to tragedy in the past. The problem I think is the whole conversation has been dumbed down to “good guys with guns” and “bad guys with guns” and that if you have gun control only the baddies will have guns.

280 darthstar  May 22, 2014 3:15:30pm

re: #275 Charles Johnson

Twitter needs to support animated gifs. They support vine.

281 wrenchwench  May 22, 2014 3:15:33pm

re: #275 Charles Johnson

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CATNADO! RUN!

282 darthstar  May 22, 2014 3:15:58pm

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Stick some beer in that ice chest.

283 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2014 3:16:23pm
284 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 3:17:09pm

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

Or has happened recently at a shopping mall, a metal display rack falls over and 911 calls start coming in as “shots fired”.

The 911 calls in that case are harmless. What would be a lot worse is if this happened in NRA utopia where everyone was armed regardless of their physical and mental ability to deal with lethal weapons, and a falling metal rack ended up causing some asinine firefight.

285 darthstar  May 22, 2014 3:17:26pm

This just floated by my office.

286 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 3:18:22pm

The police confusion and chaos if the NRA and GOA had their way would just be awful I think.

287 Eventual Carrion  May 22, 2014 3:18:26pm

re: #182 Gus

1 hour ago.

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Now a Smog Monster cloud has to come in and slam him to the earth.

288 A Mom Anon  May 22, 2014 3:19:36pm

re: #253 Rightwingconspirator

Media doesn’t need to show up. The organizers need to use social media and send out press releases anyway. There’s also You Tube and other video outlets that could be used to interview people and let them talk about why this matter to them.

TV and radio are losing their audience in droves. And it’s because they’ve decided to be not only lazy and rely on sensational bullshit, but to also tell us we don’t want to be informed so they can produce crap. The interwebs have given us a means to fight back and get a message out to a big audience pretty quickly. So, Responsible Gun Owners can use the same vehicles the nutbars do, and eventually it would have an effect.

289 wrenchwench  May 22, 2014 3:19:52pm

No peeking!

290 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2014 3:20:56pm

re: #284 EPR-radar

The 911 calls in that case are harmless. What would be a lot worse is if this happened in NRA utopia where everyone was armed regardless of their physical and mental ability to deal with lethal weapons, and a falling metal rack ended up causing some asinine firefight.

In that case, the mall was put on lockdown and the SWAT team showed up.

291 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 3:21:03pm

re: #286 HappyWarrior

The police confusion and chaos if the NRA and GOA had their way would just be awful I think.

It would be impossible. There’s a reason law enforcement tends to be “squishy” on the second amendment according to the NRA/GOA. They have to deal with the results in real life.

How would you like to be a cop in GA responding to a barroom brawl after their ‘carry everywhere’ law goes into effect?

292 CuriousLurker  May 22, 2014 3:21:09pm

Heh, I don’t know if anyone has posted this yet, but it sounds like very good news to me and very bad news for Abubakar Shekau & Boko Haram:

The caption under the photo (the first in a slideshow of 14) says:

Mohammed Chiari, commander of a vigilante group of traditional hunters, poses for a picture at the hunters’ camp in Maiduguri, Nigeria May 21, 2014. About 100 traditional hunters from villages in Borno state have gathered in the camp and volunteered to hunt for the Islamist militant group Boko Haram for the local government. The local government gives them two meals per day, according to the hunters.
REUTERS/Joe Penney

After looking at the whole slideshow, I definitely woud NOT want those guys coming after me. Yikes. (Though I have to admit the Yankees logo on the hat caused a little cognitive dissonance.)

293 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 3:21:36pm

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

In that case, the mall was put on lockdown and the SWAT team showed up.

Fair point. Still mostly harmless compared to a civilian fire fight.

294 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 3:22:12pm

re: #266 allegro

You open carried in restaurants, grocery stores, gas stations…?

Yeah, that is that big of a deal.

Not like you say.
I got self service gas, left the gun in the car per AZ car / gun law when we went into a restaurant. Did not in any stores, did the same as eating out. In Tucson it is not a big deal to the locals or the cops. We all knew the procedure for a traffic stop. Local Tucson indoor shooting range, the guys just step out for a smoke gun still in holster. Yawn. Texas is largely the same. Lots of places where open carry shocks only tourists and visitors.

Seems very strange to people from big cities or where gun control is stricter. Can’t effect them either of course, until they go there.

295 BeenHereAwhile  May 22, 2014 3:22:13pm

re: #256 Rightwingconspirator

Long guns are way more intimidating in general. As a person who has made use of open carry in a city where it is not uncommon it really is no big deal. Tuscon, Az. Had my pistol “open carry” to and from the convention center each day of the gem show.

I work in an office where open carry is common. I own but don’t carry.

The consensus in the office re the public display of long guns is, “what a stupid bunch of wantabees.”

296 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 3:23:00pm

re: #291 EPR-radar

It would be impossible. There’s a reason law enforcement tends to be “squishy” on the second amendment according to the NRA/GOA. They have to deal with the results in real life.

How would you like to be a cop in GA responding to a barroom brawl after their ‘carry everywhere’ law goes into effect?

Yeah just sounds like a recipe for disaster. I mean keeping one at home for home protection I really do get as I do business owners but I do not get the need to bring one to a restaurant, bar, church, or whatever.

297 Bubblehead II  May 22, 2014 3:24:19pm

re: #211 Rightwingconspirator

“It will be very difficult to spin holstered, black powder revolvers into a negative story.”

Not really. A black powder, reproduction single action revolver is just as lethal as a smokeless powder single action revolver. Any incident (regardless of the type) is going to generate negative publicity.

Now, to be clear here. I own both long (rifles and shot guns) and short (pistols) small arms. Do I feel the need to carry one with me at all times? No. Does seeing someone with a pistol strapped on concern me. Depends. And by that I mean, what is their demeanor.

Are they casual about it and display an air of competency or are they swaggering buffoons who want people to know I got a weapon and I’m not afraid to use it.

The former I can live with. The latter, not so much.

BTW, Idaho is an OC state and has been for years.

298 ObserverArt  May 22, 2014 3:25:14pm

re: #288 A Mom Anon

Media doesn’t need to show up. The organizers need to use social media and send out press releases anyway. There’s also You Tube and other video outlets that could be used to interview people and let them talk about why this matter to them.

TV and radio are losing their audience in droves. And it’s because they’ve decided to be not only lazy and rely on sensational bullshit, but to also tell us we don’t want to be informed so they can produce crap. The interwebs have given us a means to fight back and get a message out to a big audience pretty quickly. So, Responsible Gun Owners can use the same vehicles the nutbars do, and eventually it would have an effect.

No time for social media. Too busy cleaning guns so they look real good when out and about.

/ : )

299 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 3:25:15pm

re: #295 BeenHereAwhile

Not fearful. Not a huge problem for Police. Just unseemly, and I admit kinda dumb with good reason. When I went to Arizona for photography I did not carry. Just for the gem show. Bad guys travel in to rob or steal. So I made use of local law to my advantage. When I had no extra risk, I just left my pistol back home in Los Angeles. Context matters.

300 wrenchwench  May 22, 2014 3:27:13pm

(Not necessarily a) HATCHLING!

301 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 22, 2014 3:27:14pm

re: #299 Rightwingconspirator

Not fearful. Not a huge problem for Police. Just unseemly, and I admit kinda dumb with good reason. When I went to Arizona for photography I did not carry. Just for the gem show. Bad guys travel in to rob or steal. So I made use of local law to my advantage. When I had no extra risk, I just left my pistol back home in Los Angeles. Context matters.

This is exactly why people should be better informed about their actual risks of violent attack: much lower than the average person thinks. A lot of people get guns for ‘self-defense’ while living in extremely safe areas.

302 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 3:28:29pm

re: #300 wrenchwench

(Not necessarily a) HATCHLING!

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Wow that little guy is tiny.

303 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 3:28:36pm

re: #297 Bubblehead II

“It will be very difficult to spin holstered, black powder revolvers into a negative story.”

Not really. A black powder, reproduction single action revolver is just as lethal as a smokeless powder single action revolver. Any incident (regardless of the type) is going to generate negative publicity.

Now, to be clear here. I own both long (rifles and shot guns) and short (pistols) small arms. Do I feel the need to carry one with me at all times? No. Does seeing someone with a pistol strapped on concern me. Depends. And by that I mean, what is their demeanor.

Are they casual about it and display an air of competency or are they swaggering buffoons who want people to know I got a weapon and I’m not afraid to use it.

The former I can live with. The latter, not so much.

BTW, Idaho is an OC state and has been for years.

I do not endorse open carry for no reason, as a display. Just doing what the law allows should not be that big a deal day to day. Culture matters. try smoking a joint in Tucson in public. It’s not going to go as well as it would in Oakland (aka Oaksterdam)

Drive your car after that joint and you are endangering the public. But the reaction from most there is meh.

304 BeenHereAwhile  May 22, 2014 3:28:36pm

re: #298 ObserverArt

No time for social media. Too busy cleaning guns so they look real good when out and about.

/ : )

Happiness is a shiny gun.

///

305 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 22, 2014 3:30:54pm

re: #303 Rightwingconspirator

I
Drive your car after that joint and you are endangering the public. But the reaction from most there is meh.

No, it’s not.

306 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 3:31:15pm

re: #304 BeenHereAwhile

Happiness is a shinny gun.

///

Is that connected to the ankle gun?

307 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 3:31:26pm

having a case of cognitive consonance

308 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 3:32:07pm

re: #304 BeenHereAwhile

Happiness is a shinny gun.

///

i thought happiness was a worm gun that shimmied

309 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 3:32:23pm

re: #301 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

This is exactly why people should be better informed about their actual risks of violent attack: much lower than the average person thinks. A lot of people get guns for ‘self-defense’ while living in extremely safe areas.

Quite true. Buying a gun for protection, sticking it in a quick safe and forgetting about it presents many of the risks and little benefit if any.

Another big number is people that enjoy hunting or target shooting and just figure that gun as also a self defense tool at home if needed. Why not they already have it, and the safety training. Use of force laws are not hard to learn, just takes some time. Besides even if you use a baseball bat or taser for defense at home you better know use of force laws in your area.

310 BeenHereAwhile  May 22, 2014 3:33:00pm

re: #306 EPR-radar

Is that connected to the ankle gun?

Too many n(s).

edited

311 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 3:34:00pm

re: #301 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

This is exactly why people should be better informed about their actual risks of violent attack: much lower than the average person thinks. A lot of people get guns for ‘self-defense’ while living in extremely safe areas.

in practice it seems more like ‘self offense’

312 TedStriker  May 22, 2014 3:35:44pm

re: #304 BeenHereAwhile

Happiness is a shinny gun.

///

Any relation to The Shinning?

///

313 ObserverArt  May 22, 2014 3:35:56pm

re: #294 Rightwingconspirator

Not like you say.
I got self service gas, left the gun in the car per AZ car / gun law when we went into a restaurant. Did not in any stores, did the same as eating out. In Tucson it is not a big deal to the locals or the cops. We all knew the procedure for a traffic stop. Local Tucson indoor shooting range, the guys just step out for a smoke gun still in holster. Yawn. Texas is largely the same. Lots of places where open carry shocks only tourists and visitors.

Seems very strange to people from big cities or where gun control is stricter. Can’t effect them either of course, until they go there.

Could they open carry pistols in Dodge City Kansas back at the turn of the century?

315 allegro  May 22, 2014 3:36:22pm

re: #309 Rightwingconspirator

Quite true. Buying a gun for protection, sticking it in a quick safe and forgetting about it presents many of the risks and little benefit if any.

Are you arguing that it’s better to keep a loaded gun in the nightstand?

316 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 3:36:34pm

re: #312 TedStriker

Any relation to The Shinning?

///

you guys are in deep shin

317 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 3:37:23pm

re: #314 darthstar

Google Searches by State. #MeatIsMurder #GladIDoNotLiveInTexas

Hahaha oh Delaware. Don’t ever change.

318 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 3:39:51pm

re: #315 allegro

What? No. How did you get that? I must have been terribly unclear.

319 Bubblehead II  May 22, 2014 3:39:59pm

re: #303 Rightwingconspirator

I do not endorse open carry for no reason, as a display. Just doing what the law allows should not be that big a deal day to day. Culture matters. try smoking a joint in Tucson in public. It’s not going to go as well as it would in Oakland (aka Oaksterdam)

Drive your car after that joint and you are endangering the public. But the reaction from most there is meh.

Exactly. These asshole are OCing for one reason. Because they can (swaggering buffoons). There is no reason to OC a long gun in an urban environment, let alone take one into a store.

320 ObserverArt  May 22, 2014 3:40:23pm

re: #304 BeenHereAwhile

Happiness is a shiny gun.

///

And warm!

(Beatles)

321 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 3:41:28pm

re: #313 ObserverArt

Could they open carry pistols in Dodge City Kansas back at the turn of the century?

Maybe not, why? My context is where the law allows and the local culture (if thats the word) is accepting.

322 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 3:44:03pm

re: #288 A Mom Anon

Media doesn’t need to show up. The organizers need to use social media and send out press releases anyway. There’s also You Tube and other video outlets that could be used to interview people and let them talk about why this matter to them.

Social media? Not that many non gun people are going to a gun advocacy FB page except maybe to complain. YouTube etc the fight is for views.

Going to drop this here and answer folks in the Page. Allegro join me there if ya like. Happy to answer as best I can.

323 goddamnedfrank  May 22, 2014 3:45:44pm

re: #301 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

This is exactly why people should be better informed about their actual risks of violent attack: much lower than the average person thinks. A lot of people get guns for ‘self-defense’ while living in extremely safe areas.

One of the biggest problems with American gun culture is that we’ve equated being robbed or burglarized with violent attack, we’re far too willing to justify killing over things. In general being willing to kill over material shit is simply fucked up and there are few situations where any kind of insurance company rewards this mentality.

For insurers, this means the risks of armed officers are difficult to justify in most settings, and they charge higher rates for security officer firms that employ armed officers. There are certainly situations that warrant an armed officer (i.e. banks, federal buildings, etc.). Insurance companies understand this and are willing to offer insurance for this type of exposure.

Yet in many other situations, such as retail stores or fast food restaurants, insurers believe the show of force presented by an armed security officer is counterproductive. It increases the business’s hazards and the possibility of a claim. Insurers are not quick to expose themselves to that level of risk, and businesses and security firms should think twice as well.

324 Gus  May 22, 2014 3:45:57pm

re: #292 CuriousLurker

Heh, I don’t know if anyone has posted this yet, but it sounds like very good news to me and very bad news for Abubakar Shekau & Boko Haram:

[Embedded content]

The caption under the photo (the first in a slideshow of 14) says:

After looking at the whole slideshow, I definitely woud NOT want those guys coming after me. Yikes. (Though I have to admit the Yankees logo on the hat caused a little cognitive dissonance.)

One day the government of Nigeria will learn to regret the slippery slope of bike-helmet laws.

325 allegro  May 22, 2014 3:46:40pm

re: #318 Rightwingconspirator

What? No. How did you get that? I must have been terribly unclear.

Apparently so. I’m having difficulty understanding what you meant by this:

Quite true. Buying a gun for protection, sticking it in a quick safe and forgetting about it presents many of the risks and little benefit if any.

326 wrenchwench  May 22, 2014 3:47:59pm

re: #324 Gus

One day the government of Nigeria will learn to regret the slippery slope of bike-helmet laws.

To be fair, that was a motorcycle helmet law.

///fair

327 Gus  May 22, 2014 3:48:07pm

328 BeenHereAwhile  May 22, 2014 3:48:35pm

re: #312 TedStriker

Any relation to The Shinning?

///

My spelling ability could be why they won’t let me make protest signs.

329 Bubblehead II  May 22, 2014 3:50:40pm

re: #315 allegro

Are you arguing that it’s better to keep a loaded gun in the nightstand?

Nope. 12 gauge (Mossberg 500) shotgun next to the bed. The wife keeps the Taurus in HER nightstand.

330 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 3:50:58pm

re: #323 goddamnedfrank

One of the biggest problems with American gun culture is that we’ve equated being robbed or burglarized with violent attack, we’re far too willing to justify killing over things. In general being willing to kill over material shit is simply fucked up and there are few situations where any kind of insurance company rewards this mentality.

I think this is absolutely right. No one obviously wants to get robbed or burglarized but is it worth to kill the person commuting the crime over? I really don’t think so.

331 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 3:51:22pm

re: #323 goddamnedfrank

Insurance rates is a very cogent point. These companies are in the business of evaluating risk and reality is enforced by their competition and by the need to pay out on claims. That doesn’t leave much room for pure ideology.

Sometimes armed security is a net improvement and sometimes not.

332 ObserverArt  May 22, 2014 3:53:48pm

re: #321 Rightwingconspirator

Maybe not, why? My context is where the law allows and the local culture (if thats the word) is accepting.

Just wondering that’s all. I’m trying to get some context as to why during the last 20 or more years open carry is so all important? I’d like a little history as to how we managed as a country to grow like we did, get as far as we did and did it without open carry laws and some of the other gun control issues we have today.

I have an older brother, now 74 and he is a gun rights activist. But only recently. He has always liked guns, but never a peep out of him until the last twenty or so years. Boy, do I have a gun story about him. I remember it like it happened yesterday, and I doubt he even understands how his own overblown reaction to a simple crime was both dangerous and stupid, it helped set me in the opposite direction.

Again…he never worried about open carry. Now he is all for it? It almost seems like it is a combination of fashion, safety in numbers thinking and pure hatred politics.

333 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 3:54:23pm

re: #330 HappyWarrior

I think this is absolutely right. No one obviously wants to get robbed or burglarized but is it worth to kill the person commuting the crime over? I really don’t think so.

To play devil’s advocate here, I think it fair to assume that the intent of a criminal may not really be clear. E.g., armed robbery or intruder in the home.

334 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 3:57:57pm

re: #333 EPR-radar

To play devil’s advocate here, I think it fair to assume that the intent of a criminal may not really be clear. E.g., armed robbery or intruder in the home.

No, that’s a legitimate point. Always good to play DA. The thing I worry about and feel I read too often about are people pulling out the gun when they could resolve the conflict verablly. Deeply troubling to read about a girl being killed in Arkansas because she egged a guy’s house or the guy killed over texting or the one kid killed because the guy “Felt threatened” by his music. I feel too often we’re dumbing the argument down to good guys and bad guys and real life as we know ain’t that simple.

335 goddamnedfrank  May 22, 2014 3:58:15pm

re: #330 HappyWarrior

I think this is absolutely right. No one obviously wants to get robbed or burglarized but is it worth to kill the person commuting the crime over? I really don’t think so.

Especially considering the state of modern technology. Few robbers are going to kill someone thinking to get rid of a witness when any number of video cameras, hidden, security, street, nanny, dashboard, etc may easily establish their presence. Then there’s the entire rest of the forensic toolkit to consider. Factor in that murders are investigated far more thoroughly than simple property crimes and the incentive for killing a robbery victim is greatly diminished.

336 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 3:58:27pm

re: #332 ObserverArt

If I understand the law right with some training, etc etc one can get a CCW in Texas so I am even more puzzled at these guys. To me CCW for the “well qualified” (just a conversational stipulation, skipping details) removes the need. If I could have had a CCW that was good in Tucson I would have carried concealed. Not in a bar, restaurant etc.

And of course I repeat- CCW without some good cause is just unnecessary risk taking.

337 BeenHereAwhile  May 22, 2014 4:02:40pm

re: #324 Gus

One day the government of Nigeria will learn to regret the slippery slope of bike-helmet laws.

“The Seersucker Whipsaw,” by Ross Thomas gives good insight into West African politics and manipulation of local beliefs.

It’s also a good read.

338 Bubblehead II  May 22, 2014 4:03:43pm

Heading upstairs.


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