Update: Wikileaks Carries Out Threat to Release Information That Could “Cause Deaths”

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Remember this tweet from Wikileaks’ Julian Assange, posted in the heat of an argument with Glenn Greenwald about revealing top secret NSA information that could cause deaths?

Well, this deadline came and went more than two hours ago. It looks like Assange sorta forgot about that very public 72-hour threat.

Meanwhile, Pernicious G and the Wikileaks Man are the best of friends again.

UPDATE at 5/23/14 12:19:49 am

Apparently, Assange’s clock is just running a bit slow…

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389 comments
1 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 6:00:43pm

So sad. I weep…

Oh, the humanity!

2 Charles Johnson  May 22, 2014 6:00:57pm

They were either bluffing or Greenwald convinced them to back down, to prevent revealing that Wikileaks has the Snowden documents.

3 b.d.  May 22, 2014 6:05:07pm

Thus enraging the POST ALL OF THE INFORMATION! crowd just a little bit more.

4 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 6:05:14pm

Suppose they threw a cyberwar and nobody came?

5 Charles Johnson  May 22, 2014 6:06:23pm
6 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 6:07:47pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Wait, I think I hear something… yes I do hear it. It sounds like… wait… yup sounds like FAIL.

7 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 6:08:27pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

The revolution will be postponed because Assange’s hair was not camera-ready.

8 b.d.  May 22, 2014 6:08:48pm

Where’s The Leak?!

9 ObserverArt  May 22, 2014 6:10:24pm

Must have been some kind of a melding of the minds of two of the world’s most powerful men.

Wait. Did I just type that???

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10 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 6:10:52pm

i never tell anybody when i’m gonna take a leak

11 Skip Intro  May 22, 2014 6:11:17pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Hey, Glenn Beck has made a career out of it.

12 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 6:11:38pm

Maybe it was this news…

13 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 6:12:18pm

re: #11 Skip Intro

Hey, Glenn Beck has made a career out of it.

As have all manner of end-of-the-world preachers.

14 Swift2991  May 22, 2014 6:15:59pm

What is Assange, unless he’s a narcissist? Right-wing anarchist? Absolutist? Will he please go to Russia and act as cavalierly about the secrecy of the FSB’s info? Well, I think that would end the problem he is for us, too.

15 piratedan  May 22, 2014 6:17:29pm

someone got to him man, I suspect the Illuminati……

16 b.d.  May 22, 2014 6:18:44pm

re: #15 piratedan

someone got to him man, I suspect the Illuminati……

I ALWAYS SUSPECTED ASSANGE WORKED FOR THE ILLUMINATI OR THE NSA, MAYBE BOTH

17 Skip Intro  May 22, 2014 6:19:24pm

So now you know. There’s a story behind this, and it involves a participant in OAS, but I won’t bore you with it.

18 prairiefire  May 22, 2014 6:20:23pm

re: #6 Rightwingconspirator

Wait, I think I hear something… yes I do hear it. It sounds like… wait… yup sounds like FAIL.

I wonder how annoying the Russian secret service can be? I mean, dealing with a guy who is a proven security risk. I think he’s lucky if there are not electrical wires coming out of his breakfast cereal.

19 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 6:22:21pm

Assange still targeted by FBI

“WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange remains the subject of an active criminal investigation by the United States Justice Department and Federal Bureau of Investigation, newly published court documents reveal.

“Papers released in US legal proceedings have revealed that a “criminal/national security investigation” by the US Department of Justice and FBI probe of WikiLeaks is “a multi-subject investigation” that is still “active and ongoing” more than four years after the anti-secrecy website began publishing secret US diplomatic and military documents.

“Confirmation that US prosecutors have not closed the book on WikiLeaks and Mr Assange comes as a consequence of litigation by the US Electronic Privacy Information Centre to enforce a freedom of information request for documents relating to the FBI’s WikiLeaks investigation.”

Read more: smh.com.au

20 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 6:22:25pm

re: #18 prairiefire

I wonder how annoying the Russian secret service can be? I mean, dealing with a guy who is a proven security risk. I think he’s lucky if there are not electrical wires coming out of his breakfast cereal.

Get your mind into the gutter! //

21 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 6:22:36pm

re: #18 prairiefire

I wonder how annoying the Russian secret service can be? I mean, dealing with a guy who is a proven security risk. I think he’s lucky if there are not electrical wires coming out of his breakfast cereal.

Comrade Crunch

22 b.d.  May 22, 2014 6:27:24pm

[assange] Can I release the name of the country now Vlad? [/assange]

23 prairiefire  May 22, 2014 6:28:24pm

Either a bomb or a bug, nothing to do but pour the milk on. Poor guy.

24 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 6:28:44pm

Over $10M to provide a police presence outside the Ecuador embassy in London so far, and who know how much Australia has spent for consular services of one type or another on Assange, although they tend to buck requests from him.

Assange must be reveling in this knowledge of what it’s costing to keep him holed up there. It’s probably what keeps him pumped up, though.

25 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 6:32:42pm

TN bringing “Old Sparky” back.

Tennessee governor signs bill into law allowing state to use electric chair if lethal injection drugs unavailable - @AP
Read more on hosted.ap.org

Gotta kill ‘em, doncha know. ///

26 jaunte  May 22, 2014 6:34:46pm

re: #25 Justanotherhuman

Fiscal responsibility takes a back seat to vengeance.

27 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 6:37:45pm

re: #26 jaunte

Fiscal responsibility takes a back seat to vengeance.

“Vengeance is mine” sayeth the lords. ///

28 klys  May 22, 2014 6:40:01pm

As some of you might know, I watch the streaming webcam @ Yellowstone pretty regularly. They’ve just updated the camera and the new stream is pretty damn nice.

You all should definitely take a look.

29 Justanotherhuman  May 22, 2014 6:43:05pm

Goddamn Correa to fucking hell.

Ecuador issues permit for oil drilling in Amazon reserve - @AP
Read more on washingtonpost.com

30 Snarknado!  May 22, 2014 6:43:41pm

So I’ve finished going over the ballot for the primary. There’s something unnatural about only two propositions on a California ballot.

31 klys  May 22, 2014 6:48:37pm

re: #30 Snarknado!

So I’ve finished going over the ballot for the primary. There’s something unnatural about only two propositions on a California ballot.

I haven’t looked at it yet. I really should get my act together.

32 Snarknado!  May 22, 2014 6:51:07pm

re: #31 klys

I haven’t looked at it yet. I really should get my act together.

I won’t have time to do it later, so I’m doing it now. And it won’t take you very long, as I said. :)

33 Skip Intro  May 22, 2014 6:51:56pm
The FB page for PFA/OAS Operation American Spring is being hilariously trolled by three guinea pigs, Scamper, Whiskers and Nibbles. I don’t know which is funnier, the guinea pigs or the people arguing with guinea pigs. If you want to read them, they’re in the top right - Recent Posts By Others. Check them out before they’re scrubbed.

dailykos.com

34 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 7:04:07pm

re: #33 Skip Intro

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dailykos.com

“they have everything he’s done taped to the refrigerator”

made me laugh

35 Skip Intro  May 22, 2014 7:05:22pm

re: #34 dog philosopher

Almost makes me wish I had joined FB so I could read the rest.

Almost.

36 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 7:07:01pm

re: #35 Skip Intro

Almost.

word

37 Bubblehead II  May 22, 2014 7:09:23pm

re: #28 klys

As some of you might know, I watch the streaming webcam @ Yellowstone pretty regularly. They’ve just updated the camera and the new stream is pretty damn nice.

You all should definitely take a look.

Much Much better than the old one. Thanks.

38 Skip Intro  May 22, 2014 7:10:02pm

I don’t know why I find the idea of True Patriots arguing with guinea pigs so funny. Maybe a lack of oxygen would explain it.

39 Snarknado!  May 22, 2014 7:15:40pm

Did anyone take screenshots?

40 Decatur Deb  May 22, 2014 7:16:11pm

Oh good.

Bundy Ranch Shootout app parodies BLM standoff

reviewjournal.com

41 Skip Intro  May 22, 2014 7:17:26pm

re: #40 Decatur Deb

Oh good.

Bundy Ranch Shootout app parodies BLM standoff

reviewjournal.com

what a rip off.

bundy is not fat enough, the flags only have 12 snakes and some of the bundy militia have teeth.

42 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 22, 2014 7:22:04pm

Wait, what?

43 Dark_Falcon  May 22, 2014 7:27:42pm

re: #40 Decatur Deb

Oh good.

Bundy Ranch Shootout app parodies BLM standoff

reviewjournal.com

Making a game out of shooting federal agents…..

44 HappyWarrior  May 22, 2014 7:29:01pm

re: #42 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Wait, what?

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Sawah Connah?

45 TedStriker  May 22, 2014 7:35:32pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

Sawah Connah?

“Listen, and understand. That terminator Godzilla is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead. “

///

46 Decatur Deb  May 22, 2014 7:36:14pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

Making a game out of shooting federal agents…..

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It’s scored with dead female human shields:

digiskygames.com

47 Bubblehead II  May 22, 2014 7:37:40pm

Meanwhile back the nest.

One of the chicks has stashed a late night snack to munch on

48 steve_davis  May 22, 2014 7:42:16pm

Sadly, I can’t make it through all of the rest of the first season of the Wire as part of Amazon Prime’s free streaming, tonight. But I WILL be up at probably oh dark thirty to see what becomes of Avon Barksdale and his Baltimore crew. Funnily enough, in the episode I just watched, Omar is lying on the ground next to a car, shot in the leg, and in a long shot, you can see a fucking rat run across the street behind him. Not a squirrel, but an honest to fucking rat. And there is no way that was some trained rat that the director put out there: “O.k., now in this scene, there’s gunfire, you’re scared, and you run across the street…” That was just some random rat that lives in Baltimore and thought things got way too loud in that scene for his/her liking. Love it!!

49 jaunte  May 22, 2014 7:43:25pm

“Tammy Duckworth, you know I just don’t know where her loyalties lie…”
—Allen West
crooksandliars.com

50 Decatur Deb  May 22, 2014 7:43:53pm

re: #48 steve_davis

Sadly, I can’t make it through all of the rest of the first season of the Wire as part of Amazon Prime’s free streaming, tonight. But I WILL be up at probably oh dark thirty to see what becomes of Avon Barksdale and his Baltimore crew. Funnily enough, in the episode I just watched, Omar is lying on the ground next to a car, shot in the leg, and in a long shot, you can see a fucking rat run across the street behind him. Not a squirrel, but an honest to fucking rat. And there is no way that was some trained rat that the director put out there: “O.k., now in this scene, there’s gunfire, you’re scared, and you run across the street…” That was just some random rat that lives in Baltimore and thought things got way too loud in that scene for his/her liking. Love it!!

It’s OK, as long as the rat gets scale.

51 klys  May 22, 2014 7:52:42pm

Youtube Video

Capture of an Old Faithful eruption with the new webcam.

52 Dark_Falcon  May 22, 2014 7:58:55pm

re: #49 jaunte

“Tammy Duckworth, you know I just don’t know where her loyalties lie…”
—Allen West
crooksandliars.com

Actually, of the 5 Dems on the Benghazi committee, she’s one of two* I have no reservations about at all. In fact, her military experience with helicopters makes her very well suited to the task.

*: I have no reservations about Smith because I know little about him. Schiff and Sanchez are left-liberal, but that just means I disagree with their views, not that they have character flaws.

As for Congressman Cummings, I do not fault his character at all. But I’d rather no one from Issa’s committee were on the new committee, as I think the matter needs fresh eyes. But Congressman Gowdy is not obnoxious, unlike Darryl Issa, so at the very least Cummings relationship with the committee chair should be less combative.

53 Snarknado!  May 22, 2014 7:59:55pm

re: #48 steve_davis

Sadly, I can’t make it through all of the rest of the first season of the Wire as part of Amazon Prime’s free streaming, tonight. But I WILL be up at probably oh dark thirty to see what becomes of Avon Barksdale and his Baltimore crew. Funnily enough, in the episode I just watched, Omar is lying on the ground next to a car, shot in the leg, and in a long shot, you can see a fucking rat run across the street behind him. Not a squirrel, but an honest to fucking rat. And there is no way that was some trained rat that the director put out there: “O.k., now in this scene, there’s gunfire, you’re scared, and you run across the street…” That was just some random rat that lives in Baltimore and thought things got way too loud in that scene for his/her liking. Love it!!

The Wire should be savored, anyway. The later seasons are as good as the early ones, so you have an extended treat in store.

54 Lidane  May 22, 2014 8:02:13pm

Holy shit I’m tired. Two job interviews this morning and a recruiting happy hour event for a company I’d kill to work for. The downside? My body hates me. I’m exhausted. I feel like dead weight. The upside? The interviews went well, but the big win for me was that happy hour event.

I ended up in a conversation with one of the managers that I’d interviewed with last November. I’ve seen her at a bunch of their company events since then because I’ve made it a point to stay on their radar and to keep going to their public mixers. We had a long talk about my previous interview and she got to know me a bit better and more about my experiences. She wants me to email her tomorrow with an updated resume and then she’ll talk to the recruiter I’ve been dealing with to set up another interview. I don’t want to get my hopes up but working for them would be awesome. :D

55 Decatur Deb  May 22, 2014 8:04:17pm

re: #54 Lidane

Holy shit I’m tired. Two job interviews this morning and a recruiting happy hour event for a company I’d kill to work for. The downside? My body hates me. I’m exhausted. I feel like dead weight. The upside? The interviews went well, but the big win for me was that happy hour event.

I ended up in a conversation with one of the managers that I’d interviewed with last November. I’ve seen her at a bunch of their company events since then because I’ve made it a point to stay on their radar and to keep going to their public mixers. We had a long talk about my previous interview and she got to know me a bit better and more about my experiences. She wants me to email her tomorrow with an updated resume and then she’ll talk to the recruiter I’ve been dealing with to set up another interview. I don’t want to get my hopes up but working for them would be awesome. :D

Sounds like finding work is more work than work.

56 jamesfirecat  May 22, 2014 8:04:45pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

Actually, of the 5 Dems on the Benghazi committee, she’s one of two* I have no reservations about at all. In fact, her military experience with helicopters makes her very well suited to the task.

*: I have no reservations about Smith because I know little about him. Schiff and Sanchez are left-liberal, but that just means I disagree with their views, not that they have character flaws.

As for Congressman Cummings, I do not fault his character at all. But I’d rather no one from Issa’s committee were on the new committee, as I think the matter needs fresh eyes. But Congressman Gowdy is not obnoxious, unlike Darryl Issa, so at the very least Cummings relationship with the committee chair should be less combative.

Speaking of maters military, I finally managed to finished up the battle of Budapest in 1944 and closed out that year of war in Panzer Corps. So now, I am into the home stretch of 1945, the marathon that started in Poland is now a sprint towards Berlin…

57 Lidane  May 22, 2014 8:05:42pm

re: #55 Decatur Deb

Sounds like finding work is more work than work.

Because it is. Finding a job is a full-time job in itself. I left my house at 9am and didn’t make it back home for 12 hours. I’m beat.

58 Romantic Heretic  May 22, 2014 8:08:21pm

re: #54 Lidane

Good luck!

59 Bubblehead II  May 22, 2014 8:08:24pm

Charles, Just out of curiosity, is there a way you could code in who is logged in (real time) and what thread/page they are current active in?

60 Dark_Falcon  May 22, 2014 8:09:38pm

re: #56 jamesfirecat

Speaking of maters military, I finally managed to finished up the battle of Budapest in 1944 and closed out that year of war in Panzer Corps. So now, I am into the home stretch of 1945, the marathon that started in Poland is now a sprint towards Berlin…

Watch out for the IL-10, SU-100. and IS-3. The Red Army had some seriously mean machines come on line at that time and the IL-10 was even deadlier than the IL-2.

61 Lidane  May 22, 2014 8:17:43pm

Rebranding!

62 Decatur Deb  May 22, 2014 8:20:14pm

re: #61 Lidane

Rebranding!

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“I’m not going to get into this distinction between the tea party and Republicans,” Boehner added. “It’s a distinction you’re going to have a hard time finding.”

The main differences are spelling and haberdashery.

63 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 8:23:13pm

re: #61 Lidane

Boehner: No “distinction” between GOP and Tea Party

bit.ly

Ever see me post the GOP might actually be falling? No more republican party, gone wherever the whigs went? Maybe that’s it. Tea party in all but name?

64 jamesfirecat  May 22, 2014 8:30:07pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Watch out for the IL-10, SU-100. and IS-3. The Red Army had some seriously mean machines come on line at that time and the IL-10 was even deadlier than the IL-2.

They never field the IS-3 but I have come to hate both the SU-100 and IS-3 because they have the capability to shoot back at fighters and tactical bombers combined with armor thick enough to laugh off most artillery attacks so just about the only thing to do is pin them down with strategic high flying bombers then send in the king tigers…

65 goddamnedfrank  May 22, 2014 8:33:58pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

But I’d rather no one from Issa’s committee were on the new committee, as I think the matter needs fresh eyes.

Benghazi does not need fresh eyes, the GOP has beaten that dead horse’s dessicated corpse into a a fine powder.

But Congressman Gowdy is not obnoxious, unlike Darryl Issa, so at the very least Cummings relationship with the committee chair should be less combative.

Gowdy is just another GOP Tea Party bigoted asshole trying to make a name for himself by dry humping the corpses of dead State Dept employees. He also compared gay marriage to incest and pollygamy, which I realize is standard fare in that godawful revanchist atrocity masquerading as a political party.

Do you ever look honestly at what the Republican Party has become and allow yourself, even in private, to be simply appalled at how far it has fallen?

66 CuriousLurker  May 22, 2014 8:35:00pm

Just came by to drop this off. If you haven’t called your mom in the past week or two, please do so this weekend. Later, lizards. ;)

67 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 8:40:03pm

re: #66 CuriousLurker

Before ya go- Photo exercise for D_L and I tomorrow. Going up to the Mt Baldy Village area to get after a meteor shower. One of us will go really long exposures like 30 minutes and the other 15-30 second. It hits at midnight so we’ll stay up till “early” and knock out in a cabin. Gonna need app math to calculate the exposures for 30 or 60 or 90 minutes.

68 CuriousLurker  May 22, 2014 8:41:48pm

re: #67 Rightwingconspirator

Before ya go- Photo exercise for D_L and I tomorrow. Going up to the Mt Baldy Village area to get after a meteor shower. One of us will go really long exposures like 30 minutes and the other 15-30 second. It hits at midnight so we’ll stay up to early and knock out in a cabin. Gonna need app math to calculate the exposures for 30 or 60 or 90 minutes.

Sounds good—have fun! Don’t forget to send me the Dropbox link for the weekend. Oh, and give D_L my regards.

69 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 8:43:29pm

re: #68 CuriousLurker

Well now that I know what you will likely shoot I’m re working it… But tomorrow probably before I leave work. And thanks for working with me on that next photo tips Page.

70 EPR-radar  May 22, 2014 8:45:23pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

…

Do you ever look honestly at what the Republican Party has become and allow yourself, even in private, to be simply appalled at how far it has fallen?

What’s not to like about a political party that has systematically organized most of those in the US that have irrational and/or bigoted resentments about the US as it is?

Perhaps we seek sanity from a GOP establishment that has used and abused these resentful people for decades as a source of free votes for plutocracy without any real attempt to deliver on Tea Party pet peeves?

On second thought, that doesn’t help very much.

71 Gus  May 22, 2014 8:46:10pm

Bibi praised Obama on his Syria policy. Outrage!

72 jaunte  May 22, 2014 8:47:59pm
73 Gus  May 22, 2014 8:49:28pm

re: #72 jaunte

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Just put it over there for now!

74 jaunte  May 22, 2014 8:49:57pm

[Credit: Grant MacDonald/Los Angeles Times.]

75 Gus  May 22, 2014 8:51:50pm

It does have a beach landing feel to it.

76 jaunte  May 22, 2014 8:55:42pm


framework.latimes.com

A No. 1522 Pacific Electric Red Car leaves the Pacific Electric Building at 6th and Main streets heading to Long Beach in Los Angeles in Dec. 1960 shortly before service ended in 1961.

77 Gus  May 22, 2014 8:56:01pm
78 Gus  May 22, 2014 8:56:28pm
79 jaunte  May 22, 2014 8:59:33pm

re: #78 Gus

google.com

Looking for the arrow that says “Delay”

80 Rightwingconspirator  May 22, 2014 9:01:08pm

re: #74 jaunte

[Credit: Grant MacDonald/Los Angeles Times.]

Kudos to The Los Angeles Times for using pro staff photog images.

For example at the moment…
latimes.com

Traffic streams through the Sepulveda Pass on the 405 Freeway connecting the Westside to the San Fernando Valley. (Luis Sinco / Los Angeles Times)

81 piratedan  May 22, 2014 9:02:17pm

re: #78 Gus

so information only needs to be free if it’s profitable, thnx for clearing that up.

82 Gus  May 22, 2014 9:02:19pm

83 jaunte  May 22, 2014 9:04:49pm

Media cycle reasons: bqhatever.

84 Bubblehead II  May 22, 2014 9:07:12pm

Night Lizards. As always, May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours. Sleep well.

85 Dark_Falcon  May 22, 2014 9:08:59pm

re: #64 jamesfirecat

They never field the IS-3 but I have come to hate both the SU-100 and IS-3 because they have the capability to shoot back at fighters and tactical bombers combined with armor thick enough to laugh off most artillery attacks so just about the only thing to do is pin them down with strategic high flying bombers then send in the king tigers…

Make the fight for Berlin take place just a bit later and you’ll get to see the Pike (IS-3). It’s liable to be the last thing some of your tankers ever see, though. It had a thunderous 122mm gun and excellent armor.

Also bad news for dismounted infantry and any tac air you might still have would be the M17. It’s a M5 halftrack mounting a Maxon turret with 4 .50 cal M2HBs. The US shipped the Soviet Union 1000 of those during WWII, and they normally formed the AAMG company in an SU-100 brigade, operating in batteries of 4.

86 jamesfirecat  May 22, 2014 9:12:58pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Make the fight for Berlin take place just a bit later and you’ll get to see the Pike (IS-3). It’s liable to be the last thing some of your tankers ever see, though. It had a thunderous 122mm gun and excellent armor.

Also bad news for dismounted infantry and any tac air you might still have would be the M17. It’s a M5 halftrack mounting a Maxon turret with 4 .50 cal M2HBs. The US shipped the Soviet Union 1000 of those during WWII, and they normally formed the AAMG company in an SU-100 brigade, operating in batteries of 4.

The game being what it is it doesn’t take into account super late war units (at least not on the Allied side there is some silliness with flying wings, Mauses (Mice) and german four engined bombers. Either way I have already been seeing plenty of the M17 and while it can’t depress its guns enough (in game for balance reason/ps) to be much of a threat to infantry it does still pose and annoying shoot and scoot anti-air platform.

87 sagehen  May 22, 2014 9:14:12pm

re: #77 Gus

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SOMALGET?!?

Would it be too trite to think it’s Somalia? Where we have really good reason to want to be monitoring each and every cellphone call?

88 Varek Raith  May 22, 2014 9:24:55pm

GOP lawmaker defends duct tape pipeline ‘fix’ in wildlife refuge: That’s ‘what America is’

“But it just aggravates me that the body of Congress would be wasted with someone coming up and taking picture of something that shows that is is fixed,” he continued. “It may not be fixed the way you want it. It may not be used by these high-dollar couplings and aluminum-brass thread — whatever you want put on them. But it’s fixed. And it’s not leaking.”

89 Gus  May 22, 2014 9:26:22pm
90 Gus  May 22, 2014 9:34:19pm
91 Gus  May 22, 2014 9:36:04pm

92 Gus  May 22, 2014 9:41:25pm
93 Gus  May 22, 2014 9:47:44pm

94 Gus  May 22, 2014 10:20:55pm
95 Amory Blaine  May 22, 2014 10:24:12pm

Eyes Everywhere

“My position was straightforward,” Glenn Greenwald writes. “By ordering illegal eavesdropping, the president had committed crimes and should be held accountable for them.” You break the law, you pay the price: It’s that simple.

But it’s not that simple, as Greenwald must know. There are laws against government eavesdropping on American citizens, and there are laws against leaking official government documents. You can’t just choose the laws you like and ignore the ones you don’t like. Or perhaps you can, but you can’t then claim that it’s all very straightforward.

Greenwald was the go-between for Edward Snowden and some of the newspapers that reported on Snowden’s collection of classified documents exposing huge eavesdropping by the National Security Agency, among other scandals. His story is full of journalistic derring-do, mostly set in exotic Hong Kong. It’s a great yarn, which might be more entertaining if Greenwald himself didn’t come across as so unpleasant. Maybe he’s charming and generous in real life. But in “No Place to Hide,” Greenwald seems like a self-righteous sourpuss, convinced that every issue is “straightforward,” and if you don’t agree with him, you’re part of something he calls “the authorities,” who control everything for their own nefarious but never explained purposes.

96 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 10:32:59pm

miffs

miffs and wedgents

97 wheat-dogghazi  May 22, 2014 10:40:08pm

re: #95 Amory Blaine

Was this the NYT piece that got GG’s nose out of joint a few days ago?

98 Amory Blaine  May 22, 2014 10:51:23pm

I think the review was published early today.

99 wheat-dogghazi  May 22, 2014 10:57:07pm

re: #98 Amory Blaine

OK. So, he’ll be complaining about this one now, since the reviewer has not kowtowed to the Great Godwald.

100 dog philosopher  May 22, 2014 11:09:57pm

hobo nickels

101 BadExampleMan  May 22, 2014 11:45:29pm

Well, that didn’t take long. Maybe they just got confused by time zones or something. Happens to me all the time.

102 sagehen  May 23, 2014 12:40:31am

Gosh. Can’t imagine why the US might feel a need to monitor calls in a place where our troops are regularly being killed by their so-called allies…

103 Kragar  May 23, 2014 12:49:47am

re: #101 BadExampleMan

Well, that didn’t take long. Maybe they just got confused by time zones or something. Happens to me all the time.

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And this helps anyone how exactly?

104 Lidane  May 23, 2014 12:56:03am

re: #102 sagehen

Gosh. Can’t imagine why the US might feel a need to monitor calls in a place where our troops are regularly being killed by their so-called allies…

Seriously. We’re at war in Afghanistan. WTF are we supposed to do, just ignore people who are actively killing our military?

Fuck Wikileaks.

105 Alyosha  May 23, 2014 1:11:08am

On behalf of my fellow countrymen and women, I’d like to issue an apology for producing the creature known as Julian Assange.

… and also Ken Ham.

Sry

106 goddamnedfrank  May 23, 2014 1:53:21am

re: #103 Kragar

And this helps anyone how exactly?

It may well make it impossible for either of Karzai’s potential successors to sign an agreement with the US allowing a residual force to stay in country. Though there’s an obvious risk of allowing Afghanistan to again become a staging ground for terrorism it would arguably be a very good thing for us to be truly out, to have a concrete end to the Afghanistan War.

Most Americans probably don’t care too deeply whether or not Afghanistan stabilizes itself without our troops providing training and a base for special operations, or if it devolves like Iraq. They’ll just be happy to have 13 years of war finally concluded and that position has much to recommend it.

Wikileaks did commit a huge dick move here, inasmuch as this news going public now may well result in riots and lots of innocent people dying. But in the long run this might be the final thing that kills an open ended agreement to keep troops on the ground indefinitely in a country that has become basically synonymous with a nebulous, sissyphean military commitment.

107 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 3:30:13am

In April, Pres Obama said troops would be cut to around 10K; I suppose this could be an argument for total withdrawal very soon.

It’s a shitty move by Wikileaks, but one which doesn’t excuse Greenwald & Co, either, IMHO.

Karzai has been wanting the US out for years. Grant him his wish. His tenure is pretty much over, anyway, ended yesterday but he’s staying on until someone is elected in June.

“Hamid Karzai ‘preferred working with corrupt people, because they could be bought,’ Afghan lawmaker says.”

latimes.com

“Maybe he was justified personally” in opposing the troop agreement, said Davood Moradian, the founding director of a Kabul-based think tank, the Afghan Institute for Strategic Studies. “But as a president he had to show leadership by containing his personal grievances against the United States from Afghan national interests. And he failed on that account.”

“Friends say Karzai believes that in a country of swirling ethnic, regional and personal rivalries, only he has Afghanistan’s best interests at heart. As a result, he failed to encourage the growth of political parties or state institutions, preferring to strike personal deals with warlords and other powerful individuals to keep a lid on the rivalries and prevent his government from collapsing.

“Many experts say Karzai saw himself as less a president than a tribal chief, like his late father, who was leader of the influential Popalzai clan of the Pashtuns. Invested with extraordinary powers under a constitution that officials in the George W. Bush administration helped write, Karzai handed out key government posts and the money that often came with them, underwritten in part by bags of cash supplied by the CIA.”

108 Dr Lizardo  May 23, 2014 3:38:11am

re: #72 jaunte

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Interesting; shipped to Argentina. My dad always wondered what happened to the old L.A. streetcars when they disappeared. He used to tell me about the streetcar system when I was a kid - he even used pretty much the same words the late Bob Hoskins spoke in Who Framed Roger Rabbit?: “We had the finest public transportation system in the world. From downtown to Long Beach!”

109 Dark_Falcon  May 23, 2014 3:45:49am

re: #104 Lidane

Seriously. We’re at war in Afghanistan. WTF are we supposed to do, just ignore people who are actively killing our military?

Fuck Wikileaks.

As we’ve stated consistently, Julian Assange listens no one on this sort of manner and simply does not care who gets hurt in his vendetta against the ‘Great Satan’ America.

But while this will cause the terrorists to change tactics, I doubt it will cause any large scale turmoil in Afghanistan. Karzai will whoop and holler, but he’s already on the way out, and most Afghans don’t have the same ideals about privacy found in the US. They may see us as being dictatorial for listening in, but it’s the sort of thing they expect.

110 ObserverArt  May 23, 2014 3:50:10am

re: #33 Skip Intro

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dailykos.com

Hahahaa. Last weekend I commented about a member of a forum I take part in saying this was going on. He supposedly knows some of these guys. He had posted an image of the hamster “Nibbles” and some other comments.

They were posting about drones in the sky and all kinds of crazy stuff to throw a wrench in the OAS plans. Good stuff.

By the way…good holiday weekend everyone. Let’s get this summer going!

111 otoc  May 23, 2014 4:07:57am
We know from previous reporting that the National Security Agency’s mass interception system is a key component in the United States’ drone targeting program. The US drone targeting program has killed thousands of people and hundreds of women and children in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia in violation of international law. The censorship of a victim state’s identity directly assists the killing of innocent people.

Although, for reasons of source protection we cannot disclose how, WikiLeaks has confirmed that the identity of victim state is Afghanistan. This can also be independently verified through forensic scrutiny of imperfectly applied censorship on related documents released to date and correlations with other NSA programs (see freesnowden.is).

We do not believe it is the place of media to “aid and abet” a state in escaping detection and prosecution for a serious crime against a population.

Consequently WikiLeaks cannot be complicit in the censorship of victim state X. The country in question is Afghanistan.

I try to be a forgiving person, ignoring emotion and focusing on logic when it comes to working out an opinion. But this just pushed me to a final decision on Snowden/Greenwald/Assange.

First, there is no need for Assange to snowden me as to where this information came from: Snowden.

Second, the continual whole affair from all three leaves one question in my mind, and something that hasn’t been made clear to me. All the focus seems to be on what the US and it’s allies do, in this case during matters of war. What about other major countries which could be considered not always friendly? Russia, the host of Snowden?
wikileaks.org

Or China, who we know does it’s best at spying on other countries and companies while stating it does nothing.
wikileaks.org

Unless I’m missing something, the last entries for both countries was 5-6 years ago.

So, the truth is, this isn’t about freedom of information to make a better world. It is simply about bringing the US down. Now I can’t help but feel some emotion on the subject.

112 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 4:14:40am

Looks like Britain’s Tea Party has won a large number of council seats over there, if not the majority on the councils, shutting out Conservatives and Liberal Democrats in this election, although Labour pulled in more votes.

bbc.com

The main gripe of UKIP appears to be immigration, esp recent waves of Eastern Europeans who are said to be the preferred hires.

“With 76 councils declared, Labour has gained 132 seats, UKIP has gained 91 seats, the Lib Dems have lost 116 and the Conservatives have lost 118.

(snip)

“Some Conservative backbenchers have called for an electoral pact with UKIP going into the general election, with Jacob-Rees-Mogg warning UKIP could split the “small c conservative vote” and let Labour in.

“Conservative Party chairman Grant Shapps rejected a formal deal between the two parties, saying there was “no question of a pact per se.” More

113 Dr Lizardo  May 23, 2014 4:20:20am

re: #112 Justanotherhuman

Looks like Britain’s Tea Party has won a large number of council seats over there, if not the majority on the councils, shutting out Conservatives and Liberal Democrats in this election, although Labour pulled in more votes.

bbc.com

The main gripe of UKIP appears to be immigration, esp recent waves of Eastern Europeans who are said to be the preferred hires.

I figured UKIP would do well, and yes, their main gripe is largely Eastern European immigration, though they do seem to have a nativist streak as well. From what I can gather, overall they’re not as loony as, say, the BNP, but some of their candidates have expressed some pretty damned disturbing sentiments.

On the bright side, it looks like from exit polls that Geert Wilders’ party took a drubbing in The Netherlands, finishing up in fourth place in the exit polls. So that’s at least some small bit of good news. Jobbik, a really out-there, extreme-right party from Hungary, is expected to do well, as is FN of France. I don’t know how well Greece’s Golden Dawn will do.

114 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 4:29:41am

You know that little tune played on the ice cream truck? It’s racist as fuck.

I learned words to that song when I was a kid and they weren’t racist. The tune was always there and different people made up words for it. Some asshole made up racist lyrics but I don’t think the original song is racist.

115 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 4:36:54am

re: #113 Dr Lizardo

It’s a disturbing trend, this reactionary kind of backlash, but shouldn’t be entirely surprising to practical-minded politicians. Culturally, immigration of any kind is seen as threatening by the most financially threatened class and that sentiment is always exploited by cynical politicians rather than helping to provide a solution.

The “internationalist” line of thought these days is from corporations—not working people. Corporations are moving country to country, seeking the cheapest labor and importing cheaper labor where they are unable to or unwilling to move their facilities out of a country (even while they offshore their profits). Business professionals, execs and mgmt types think nothing of following their companies to foreign countries, either, leaving behind work forces that cannot, and having to deal with unemployment, retraining, and in the case of some, permanent negative conditions caused by job loss.

I’m not surprised by any of it. I despise racism, and ethnic hatred, but I also can see the other side of it because I see people suffering as a result of decisions made purely on reasons of business and profits. And the rightwing has done a bang up job of convincing too many workers that it’s not a flaw of capitalism, but a personal failing on their part.

116 Dark_Falcon  May 23, 2014 4:38:49am

And from Mississippi (where else?):

Crooks targeting Mississippi Wildlife Officers’ vehicles for guns (VIDEO)

The latest burglary occurred during daylight hours on May 15 when a MDWFP conservation officer assigned to the state’s special response team went to Academy Sports in Jackson. When the officer came back to his vehicle, the driver’s side window was smashed and the state-issued AR-15 .223 caliber rifle was missing, pried from its vehicle lock.

This comes just two weeks after thieves struck MDWFP officers’ vehicles parked at an archery competition at the Cabot Lodge near Millsaps College, six miles from the scene of the most recent burglary. In that incident, another AR-15 and a handgun were stolen from locked units.

In January, a select-fire capable HK MP5 was stolen from a Jackson Police Department SWAT member’s car parked at his home which, like the MDWFP guns, has not been recovered.

The tactic of breaking into vehicles believed to have firearms is not unique to the Magnolia State.

Just this week, gun show attendees in Florida came out to find their car windows smashed and guns missing. In a similar incident in North Carolina, police recently arrested a group of suspects who officers say broke into cars specifically looking for firearms. Officers say that the subjects looked for various gun-related decals and bumper stickers on the vehicles to pick their targets.

117 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 23, 2014 4:39:15am

re: #114 Pie-onist Overlord

You know that little tune played on the ice cream truck? It’s racist as fuck.

I learned words to that song when I was a kid and they weren’t racist. The tune was always there and different people made up words for it. Some asshole made up racist lyrics but I don’t think the original song is racist.

I know the melody as “Turkey in the Straw” and a few other titles.

118 Decatur Deb  May 23, 2014 4:59:19am

re: #114 Pie-onist Overlord

You know that little tune played on the ice cream truck? It’s racist as fuck.

I learned words to that song when I was a kid and they weren’t racist. The tune was always there and different people made up words for it. Some asshole made up racist lyrics but I don’t think the original song is racist.

Deep in the article, the writer says that. Sounds like a wound in search of salt. There’s enough real xenophobic crap out there—we don’t need to assemble Ikea Outrage from small parts.

119 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 5:03:23am

re: #118 Decatur Deb

Deep in the article, the writer says that. Sounds like a wound in search of salt. There’s enough real xenophobic crap out there—we don’t need to assemble Ikea Outrage from small parts.

Somebody found a very obscure recording, made 100 years ago, that put a bunch of shit racist lyrics to that old tune.

When I was a kid, we sang these lyrics:

I went to Cincinnati and I walked around the block
And I walked right in to a bakery shop
I took two doughnuts out of the grease
And I handed the baker a five-cent piece.

She looked at the nickel and she looked at me
She said, this isn’t any good, you see
There’s a hole in the middle and it runs right through
And I said, there’s a hole in the doughnut too!

(Shave & a haircut, 6 bits!)

120 Decatur Deb  May 23, 2014 5:07:18am

re: #119 Pie-onist Overlord

Somebody found a very obscure recording, made 100 years ago, that put a bunch of shit racist lyrics to that old tune.

When I was a kid, we sang these lyrics:

I went to Cincinnati and I walked around the block
And I walked right in to a bakery shop
I took two doughnuts out of the grease
And I handed the baker a five-cent piece.

She looked at the nickel and she looked at me
She said, this isn’t any good, you see
There’s a hole in the middle and it runs right through
And I said, there’s a hole in the doughnut too!

(Shave & a haircut, 6 bits!)

In Ancient Pittsburgh we knew the tune, but considered it ‘old-times’ and sort of hillbilly. Don’t remember any words at all, though the ‘shave and a haircut’ was attached to a lot of things, just for the metre.

121 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 5:12:58am

I can never remember how much a “bit” is. 15¢?

122 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 23, 2014 5:13:52am

re: #121 Pie-onist Overlord

I can never remember how much a “bit” is. 15¢?

12.5.

123 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 23, 2014 5:15:13am

re: #122 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

12.5.

one-eighth of a dollar

124 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 5:15:24am

re: #122 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

12.5.

So shave & a haircut cost 75¢. Gotcha.

125 Flounder  May 23, 2014 5:15:26am

re: #120 Decatur Deb

No toon can resist the old Shave and a Haircut bit.
Sorry, crappy audio.

126 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 23, 2014 5:16:43am

re: #118 Decatur Deb

Deep in the article, the writer says that. Sounds like a wound in search of salt. There’s enough real xenophobic crap out there—we don’t need to assemble Ikea Outrage from small parts.

Ikea Outrage. Nice one!

127 Decatur Deb  May 23, 2014 5:16:55am

re: #124 Pie-onist Overlord

So shave & a haircut cost 75¢. Gotcha.

25 cents.

128 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 5:17:25am

Some more historical background on the tune…

pancocojams.blogspot.com

Also, “The Rose Tree” here; you can see how “Turkey in the Straw” was derived from this old reel:

Youtube Video

BTW, when I was a kid, the boys used to sing this to taunt the girls:

“Do your tits hang low
Do they wobble to and fro
Can you tie them in a knot
Can you tie them in a bow
Can you sling them o’er your shoulder
Like a continental soldier
Do your tits hang low?”

129 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 5:17:37am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

25 cents.

That’s 2 bits.

130 William Barnett-Lewis  May 23, 2014 5:17:47am

re: #114 Pie-onist Overlord

You know that little tune played on the ice cream truck? It’s racist as fuck.

I learned words to that song when I was a kid and they weren’t racist. The tune was always there and different people made up words for it. Some asshole made up racist lyrics but I don’t think the original song is racist.

The problem is that the tune - an old and familiar one - was used as the backing to many black face minstrel songs as well as the specific one that was talked about in the article. It’s not saying one should never sing “Turkey in the Straw” for example, but you should also be very aware of how much that tune has been used to create a hateful atmosphere over the course of American history. It ties into the greater debate about things like sport team names and the refusal of the Washington Redskins to accept the reality that his team’s name is as racist as it gets. Just imagine if there were a team called the New York (Jewish slur) or Boston (drunken Irish Slur)?

131 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 23, 2014 5:17:57am

I always heard “shave and a haircut, two bits!”

132 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 5:18:40am

re: #128 Justanotherhuman

Some more historical background on the tune…

pancocojams.blogspot.com

Also, “The Rose Tree” here; you can see how “Turkey in the Straw” was derived from this old reel:

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BTW, when I was a kid, the boys used to sing this to taunt the girls:

“Do your tits hang low
Do they wobble to and fro
Can you tie them in a knot
Can you tie them in a bow
Can you sling them o’er your shoulder
Like a continental soldier
Do your tits hang low?”

We used to sing “Do your ears hang low” Lame, I know.

My dad told me that when he was in the Navy they sang “Do your balls hang low”

133 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 5:19:13am

re: #129 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s 2 bits.

Yeah, I remember an old lame cheer that said,

“2 bits
4 bits
6 bits
a dollar

All for _______
Stand up and holler.

134 otoc  May 23, 2014 5:19:22am

re: #131 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I always heard “shave and a haircut, two bits!”

Yes…
en.wikipedia.org

but..

Six bits” is occasionally used.

135 Decatur Deb  May 23, 2014 5:19:42am

re: #129 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s 2 bits.

Ah. We used “S&HC 2 bits”. Clearly you were already in the inflationary death spiral.

136 palomino  May 23, 2014 5:19:52am

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

And from Mississippi (where else?):

Crooks targeting Mississippi Wildlife Officers’ vehicles for guns (VIDEO)

According to the article, several other places, including North Carolina and Florida.

137 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 5:19:56am

re: #131 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I always heard “shave and a haircut, two bits!”

Adjusted for inflation by the time I heard it.

138 Decatur Deb  May 23, 2014 5:20:27am

re: #132 Pie-onist Overlord

If we said ‘tits’, it was ruler-time.

139 otoc  May 23, 2014 5:21:29am

re: #137 Pie-onist Overlord

Adjusted for inflation by the time I heard it.

ouch…

140 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 5:23:40am

When I was a kid the ice cream truck didn’t play a tune, the ice cream man had a little bell that he rang as he drove down the street.

When my kids were growing up, the ice cream truck played “The Honking Song”

There was another truck that played “The Sting.”

I think these trucks have loudspeaker systems that offer a selection of different tunes. Some are more annoying than others.

141 Decatur Deb  May 23, 2014 5:27:08am

re: #140 Pie-onist Overlord

When I was a kid the ice cream truck didn’t play a tune, the ice cream man had a little bell that he rang as he drove down the street.

When my kids were growing up, the ice cream truck played “The Honking Song”

There was another truck that played “The Sting.”

I think these trucks have loudspeaker systems that offer a selection of different tunes. Some are more annoying than others.

We didn’t have ice-cream trucks. We walked to the neighborhood “Isaly’s”, inventors of the Klondike.

Image: Can.jpg

We did have block ice delivered to the icebox, at times by horse-cart.

142 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 5:27:09am

We’re going to Toronto for the weekend. My son has no Internets because he thinks it’s not good for his kids.

I could use my phone for LGF but roaming charges would apply.

143 William Barnett-Lewis  May 23, 2014 5:27:21am

Later folks. Picked up some arch supports last night so that the bottoms of my feet may continue to resemble arches on the sign outside… ;)

144 otoc  May 23, 2014 5:28:13am

re: #142 Pie-onist Overlord

look for free wifi?
wirelesstoronto.ca

145 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 5:29:55am

re: #144 otoc

look for free wifi?

Staying off the Internets and spending face time with your family is not always a bad thing.

146 Decatur Deb  May 23, 2014 5:30:28am

re: #142 Pie-onist Overlord

We’re going to Toronto for the weekend. My son has no Internets because he thinks it’s not good for his kids.

I could use my phone for LGF but roaming charges would apply.

United States Army Pigeon Service

en.wikipedia.org

147 otoc  May 23, 2014 5:31:40am

re: #145 Pie-onist Overlord

Staying off the Internets and spending face time with your family is not always a bad thing.

True, just trying to help in case we talk about you… ;)

148 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 5:31:54am

They have free wifi at the OnRoute rest stops along the 401, they also sell halal, kosher & vegan snacks!

149 Decatur Deb  May 23, 2014 5:32:27am

re: #147 otoc

True, just trying to help in case we talk about you… ;)

“Where’s VB?”

“Went Amish.”

150 otoc  May 23, 2014 5:33:21am

re: #149 Decatur Deb

“Where’s VB?”

“Went Amish.”

Patience… the trip hasn’t begun yet. :p

151 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 5:36:28am

re: #147 otoc

True, just trying to help in case we talk about you… ;)

Say nice things or else THERE WILL BE NO PIE when I get back.

152 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 5:38:58am

War criminal says what?

153 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 5:40:31am

re: #152 Targetpractice

War criminal says what?

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What did you expect from someone so authoritarian but with no scruples?

154 b.d.  May 23, 2014 5:41:31am

YOU MEAN IN A COUNTRY WHERE WE BUILT THE TELEPHONE INFRASTRUCTURE WE PUT IN PLACE MEANS TO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY’S SECURITY?!?!?! OUTRAGEOUS!!

155 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 5:42:36am
156 darthstar  May 23, 2014 5:43:34am

re: #83 jaunte

Media cycle reasons: bqhatever.

I guess they didn’t want to rain on O’Keefe’s massive take down of anti-fracking actors.

157 darthstar  May 23, 2014 5:44:58am

re: #101 BadExampleMan

Well, that didn’t take long. Maybe they just got confused by time zones or something. Happens to me all the time.

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Hang on…we spied on people in a country with a large terrorist organization that attacked us?

158 otoc  May 23, 2014 5:45:58am

re: #151 Pie-onist Overlord

Say nice things or else THERE WILL BE NO PIE when I get back.

ahh, a challenge to my diet. I suggest you try this app…
Tin Can

159 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 5:46:01am

re: #153 Justanotherhuman

What did you expect from someone so authoritarian but with no scruples?

I’m not sure what I expected. It’s pretty obvious by now that conservatives like West only care about vets when they agree that the President is a “criminal.” That the woman is still serving in the Army Reserve despite losing both her legs in combat, while West got drummed out to avoid prosecution for war crimes, just requires a whole new level of chutzpah on his part.

160 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 5:46:34am

Just noticed on the video above that the guy was playing the violin in the bathroom for the acoustics, I suppose. Nice version, I might add.

161 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 23, 2014 5:49:06am

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

When I first read that, I thought the Palo Alto police had lost a drone. Oops!

162 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 5:54:16am

WTFITS

163 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 5:56:33am

Still seething, still butthurt

164 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 5:57:56am

re: #162 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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Started reading then immediately stopped due to disgust. It starts from the Greenwaldian argument that only “good” leaks have been printed by the press and that the government can’t be trusted to keep secrets because it’ll keep secret stuff that’s “embarrassing.”

Excuse me while I clean the taste of bile out my mouth.

165 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 5:58:59am

re: #164 Targetpractice

Started reading then immediately stopped due to disgust. It starts from the Greenwaldian argument that only “good” leaks have been printed by the press and that the government can’t be trusted to keep secrets because it’ll keep secret stuff that’s “embarrassing.”

Excuse me while I clean the taste of bile out my mouth.

The name “Conor Friersdorf” should be a trigger warning: DUDEBRO VOMIT.

166 GunstarGreen  May 23, 2014 6:01:31am

re: #159 Targetpractice

I’m not sure what I expected. It’s pretty obvious by now that conservatives like West only care about vets when they agree that the President is a “criminal.” That the woman is still serving in the Army Reserve despite losing both her legs in combat, while West got drummed out to avoid prosecution for war crimes, just requires a whole new level of chutzpah on his part.

As with absolutely everything else in the Republican Party — and I do mean everything else — it’s all empty symbolism and bluster. They don’t “support the troops” any more than they advocate “small government”. Those are just bullshit lines they feed to the idiot dupes that vote for them in order to stroke those Patriot Glands; glands that are swollen and engorged due to extended lack of use. None of those motherfuckers gives one single shit about any troop that doesn’t agree with them unquestioningly.

167 Eventual Carrion  May 23, 2014 6:01:57am

re: #133 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, I remember an old lame cheer that said,

“2 bits
4 bits
6 bits
a dollar

All for _______
Stand up and holler.

4 bits get you time in the rack

- Aerosmith “Back in the Saddle”

168 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 23, 2014 6:05:34am

re: #162 Pie-onist Overlord

I see Conor Friederpsdork has found his niche in the dudebro camp.

And, fwiw, no, the press is not better than the government at deciding what should remain secret, because the single overarching goal of the press in the modern era is the pursuit of eyeballs to sell to advertisers. There is no larger, overarching viewpoint of how actions beget reactions, how diplomacy works, how countries spy on each other and why, or why certain details shouldn’t be aired in broadsheet form for the public (and the enemy) to see.

Also, I read part of CF’s article (admittedly, he’s tl;dr 24/7, so I skimmed the last half), but he’s arguing against straw men, and using a select few high-profile cases to suggest that the press has a good batting average. He has no idea how many secrets the state holds, so he can’t really make that case based on limited evidence.

169 Eventual Carrion  May 23, 2014 6:06:44am

re: #141 Decatur Deb

We didn’t have ice-cream trucks. We walked to the neighborhood “Isaly’s”, inventors of the Klondike.

Image: Can.jpg

We did have block ice delivered to the icebox, at times by horse-cart.

Had an Isaly’s downtown in small town PA when I was a kid. Sandwiches and ice cream. A friend of mine that owns a bar in that same small town still orders Isaly’s ham and BBQ sauce to make up a bunch for sandwiches in the bar during Steelers football games. Good stuff.

170 darthstar  May 23, 2014 6:10:56am
171 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 6:12:39am

How PETA plans to celebrate Memorial Day…

PETA’s “Scent of Death” App Brings Smell of Slaughter to DTLA Ralph’s

Downtown hipsters beware. If you’re heading to Ralphs today for your weekly fix of PBR and pickles, you might get hit with the “scent of death” on your way out.

A 15-year-old named Joseph Arambula will demonstrating a new PETA app that the animal rights organization says will enable users to recreate the scent of decaying flesh found on corporate farms and slaughterhouses.

It’s being revealed ahead of Memorial Day weekend and barbecue season. The app includes …

… a dongle that can be plugged into an iPhone or iPad, PETA’s Liam Cronin told us. It contains a cartridge worth 100 sprays, he said, explaining this is how it works:

A shopper can scan the barcodes of hundreds of refrigerated and frozen chicken products at their local market and the app, if it recognizes the code, will squeeze off a nice spritz of dead-animal smell.

The program is in beta mode and PETA’s folks are still testing it, Cronin said. So today’s event is just a demo to raise awareness about meat.

172 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 6:14:20am

re: #171 NJDhockeyfan

How PETA plans to celebrate Memorial Day…

PETA’s “Scent of Death” App Brings Smell of Slaughter to DTLA Ralph’s

173 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 6:14:25am

Heh. First comment:

NewsDog 2 days ago
Love me the smell of meat on the grill. Can they coordinate another app that has the wounderful sizzle sound at the same time?

174 ObserverArt  May 23, 2014 6:14:30am

re: #141 Decatur Deb

We didn’t have ice-cream trucks. We walked to the neighborhood “Isaly’s”, inventors of the Klondike.

Image: Can.jpg

We did have block ice delivered to the icebox, at times by horse-cart.

Mmmm. Isalys. Good times. We had several in my home town here in Ohio. They also had a great little lunch counter that made the best hot chicken sandwiches. And they had the greatest orange sherbet. It had a nice acidic bite to it. And yes, Klondike bars. There was one about half way on my walk to school. My cousins and I would stop in almost daily for a ice cream cone, or a sherbet cone.

175 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 6:14:56am

re: #171 NJDhockeyfan

How PETA plans to celebrate Memorial Day…

PETA’s “Scent of Death” App Brings Smell of Slaughter to DTLA Ralph’s

They are going to use this to spray shoppers. That’s assault.

176 otoc  May 23, 2014 6:18:32am

re: #175 Pie-onist Overlord

They are going to use this to spray shoppers. That’s assault.

Which is probably why they are staying out of Florida with the “Stand your ground” laws.

177 Ian G.  May 23, 2014 6:19:15am

re: #152 Targetpractice

I like Duckworth even more now that an utter disgrace to his country and uniform is attacking her.

178 Bulworth  May 23, 2014 6:19:16am

There’s a new Dr. Ben Carson book out. About saving America or something. You’d think it would include something about making sure people get healthcare. But I doubt it.

179 ObserverArt  May 23, 2014 6:20:22am

re: #166 GunstarGreen

As with absolutely everything else in the Republican Party — and I do mean everything else — it’s all empty symbolism and bluster. They don’t “support the troops” any more than they advocate “small government”. Those are just bullshit lines they feed to the idiot dupes that vote for them in order to stroke those Patriot Glands; glands that are swollen and engorged due to extended lack of use. None of those motherfuckers gives one single shit about any troop that doesn’t agree with them unquestioningly.

Patriot glands. Hahahaa. Who knew?

I thought it was about heart. But then, maybe their hearts have been replaced by a gland.

180 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 6:20:35am

re: #178 Bulworth

There’s a new Dr. Ben Carson book out. About saving America or something. You’d think it would include something about making sure people get healthcare. But I doubt it.

Do you think he would perform free brain surgery?

182 Ian G.  May 23, 2014 6:23:11am

re: #178 Bulworth

There’s a new Dr. Ben Carson book out. About saving America or something. You’d think it would include something about making sure people get healthcare. But I doubt it.

I’m pretty sure I could easily write “a new Dr. Ben Carson book”. I mean, it’s not like wingnuts have had any new ideas in the past 30 years. Ban abortion, mandatory school prayer, cut taxes, abolish social security…zzzzzzzz

183 ObserverArt  May 23, 2014 6:23:49am

re: #169 Eventual Carrion

Had an Isaly’s downtown in small town PA when I was a kid. Sandwiches and ice cream. A friend of mine that owns a bar in that same small town still orders Isaly’s ham and BBQ sauce to make up a bunch for sandwiches in the bar during Steelers football games. Good stuff.

Oh yeah…the chip-chopped ham. I happen to remember that from the image of the Isaly’s Decatur Deb posted up thread. One of the signs in the window was for chopped ham.

184 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 6:24:38am

PETA would know since any dog they receive faces certain death before the van reaches the parking lot.

185 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 6:25:30am

re: #184 NJDhockeyfan

PETA would know since any dog they receive faces certain death before the van reaches the parking lot.

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I thought PETA was against people owning pets because it’s SLAVERY.

186 Sergey Romanov  May 23, 2014 6:25:31am

I don’t get the ppl who use “Daniel Ellsberg said this or supported that” as an argument. What DE did was right. That didn’t make him an infallible moral authority for the rest of his life.

187 Killgore Trout  May 23, 2014 6:26:09am

I’m not an economist but given Vox’s recent content I doubt this is a good idea
Slavery reparations are workable and affordable

The more wonkishly inclined might prefer a specific proposal, so here’s a place to start: we could close the wealth gap between black households and white households by directing the Federal Reserve to print $55 billion a month for 25 months and divide the proceeds evenly among every African-American.

188 ObserverArt  May 23, 2014 6:26:47am

re: #178 Bulworth

There’s a new Dr. Ben Carson book out. About saving America or something. You’d think it would include something about making sure people get healthcare. But I doubt it.

To Doc Ben government backed healthcare = slavery.

Dude is a loon. I don’t care how good a doctor he is/was. He is bad for this country with his backassward thinking politically.

189 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 6:26:58am

re: #186 Sergey Romanov

I don’t get the ppl who use “Daniel Ellsberg said this or supported that” as an argument. What DE did was right. That didn’t make him an infallible moral authority for the rest of his life.

It’s the Dudebro flavor of the APPEAL TO AUTHORITY fallacy that wingnuts use with their Fake Quotes.

190 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 6:27:23am

re: #188 ObserverArt

To Doc Ben government backed healthcare = slavery.

Dude is a loon. I don’t care how good a doctor he is/was. He is bad for this country with his backassward thinking politically.

191 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 6:27:30am

In an 2012 interview with a RWer, Friedsdorfer tries to whitemansplain his conservative, “liberal” and considerable libertarian views. Starting about 19:00.

mattklewis.com

And around 24:00 says there is no “war on women”.

(Edited for some clarification.)

192 darthstar  May 23, 2014 6:27:55am

re: #178 Bulworth

There’s a new Dr. Ben Carson book out. About saving America or something. You’d think it would include something about making sure people get healthcare. But I doubt it.

He was on All In last night. Said something like, “When I peel back the skin and open a person’s skull in surgery, everyone looks the same color.” Then he went on to say, “Before closing, I take a fork and fluff the brains like a baked potato, and then they’re all Republican too.”

193 darthstar  May 23, 2014 6:29:33am
194 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 6:31:18am

re: #193 darthstar

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The woman is an abomination, and over the years, set back NC in terms of education.

195 Bulworth  May 23, 2014 6:32:13am

Darthstar posted:

He was on All In last night.

Is that a new Fox show?

196 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 6:34:44am

re: #184 NJDhockeyfan

PETA would know since any dog they receive faces certain death before the van reaches the parking lot.

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Yeah, that tweet makes me want to puke considering that two PETA employees got away with dumping the corpses of numerous animals, including a dog and her new little of puppies, into dumpsters down in NC. Two charges for possession of the drugs they were using to euthanize, numerous counts of animal cruelty, and all of that got swept under the rug in favor of “illegal dumping” that resulted in fines. Why did PETA show such mercy? Because one of those arrested is best buds with PETA’s director, who threw the might of her organization’s legal department behind making the charges disappear.

197 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 6:36:57am

re: #196 Targetpractice

Yeah, that tweet makes me want to puke considering that two PETA employees got away with dumping the corpses of numerous animals, including a dog and her new little of puppies, into dumpsters down in NC. Two charges for possession of the drugs they were using to euthanize, numerous counts of animal cruelty, and all of that got swept under the rug in favor of “illegal dumping” that resulted in fines. Why did PETA show such mercy? Because one of those arrested is best buds with PETA’s director, who threw the might of her organization’s legal department behind making the charges disappear.

I remember that. That is one sick organization and I cant understand how they are able to get so many celebrities to endorse them.

198 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 23, 2014 6:38:19am

re: #197 NJDhockeyfan

I remember that. That is one sick organization and I cant understand how they are able to get so many celebrities to endorse them.

Because celebrities are no more/less inclined to stupidity in other arenas than are the rest of us (c.f., Jenny McCarthy, Clint Eastwood, etc., etc.).

199 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 6:38:42am

re: #197 NJDhockeyfan

I remember that. That is one sick organization and I cant understand how they are able to get so many celebrities to endorse them.

Honest opinion? Many celebrities like to boost their image by taking up “causes,” regardless of how much they might agree with those “causes.” And since PETA sells itself as being concerned about animals, despite evidence in court that the bulk of the animals turned over for it for adoption ending up euthanized, celebrities take up its “cause.”

200 Rightwingconspirator  May 23, 2014 6:43:27am

re: #199 Targetpractice

Honest opinion? Many celebrities like to boost their image by taking up “causes,” regardless of how much they might agree with those “causes.” And since PETA sells itself as being concerned about animals, despite evidence in court that the bulk of the animals turned over for it for adoption ending up euthanized, celebrities take up its “cause.”

PETA. *rude gesture* The NRA of animal rights.

201 Rightwingconspirator  May 23, 2014 6:47:42am

Happy Friday people. 3 day weekend!!

202 Feline Fearless Leader  May 23, 2014 6:47:51am

re: #185 Pie-onist Overlord

I thought PETA was against people owning pets because it’s SLAVERY.

For the pets, or the hoomans chained in the service of their Feline Overlords?

203 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 6:50:31am

re: #200 Rightwingconspirator

PETA. *rude gesture* The NRA Westboro of animal rights.

ftfy

204 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 6:52:36am

re: #186 Sergey Romanov

I don’t get the ppl who use “Daniel Ellsberg said this or supported that” as an argument. What DE did was right. That didn’t make him an infallible moral authority for the rest of his life.

Ellsberg is way past his sell-by date, even though I think he exposed the corruption of the Pentagon regarding Vietnam at the right time and was almost ruined for doing so. Ellsberg was a highly educated 40 yr old veteran at the time and served 2 yrs in Vietnam in a civilian capacity w/the State Dept. With a top secret security clearance and working at the Rand Corp, he had help in obtaining the documents that later were published as “The Pentagon Papers”. It was an act Ellsberg engaged in after listening to a war resister willing to go to jail for avoiding the draft—it was not the same opportunistic act such as Snowden’s, even though their politics might merge on some level.

Snowden couldn’t shine his shoes, and it’s too bad Ellsberg hastily and continually endorses what Snowden did.

205 Eventual Carrion  May 23, 2014 6:54:54am

re: #202 Feline Fearless Leader

For the pets, or the hoomans chained in the service of their Feline Overlords?

Wife signed up as a foster owner for the shelter down the road. We are going to pick up a cat for foster care later this afternoon. Take care of it until it is adopted. We went with fostering cats because our son said he would get too attached to a dog if she fostered for them. He likes cats well enough, but loves dogs. This program takes the load off the shelter (we are a small town and the shelter has limited resources) for feeding and caring for them until they get adopted

206 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 6:55:55am

re: #180 Pie-onist Overlord

Do you think he would perform free brain surgery?

Maybe lobotomies.

207 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 6:57:18am

Peta requests memorial for more than 1,000 chickens killed in M62 lorry crash

I would love to build a memorial in front of PETA’s main headquarters for the millions of dogs and cats they’ve killed. Maybe put a number on it labeled Murdered Pets by PETA and update it on a monthly basis.

208 Bulworth  May 23, 2014 6:59:02am

Justanotherhuman

Ellsberg is way past his sell-by date

Yeah, I like Ellsberg and all, but I’m not sure why he is supposed to be an infallible expert on this issue.

209 Feline Fearless Leader  May 23, 2014 6:59:06am

re: #205 Eventual Carrion

Wife signed up as a foster owner for the shelter down the road. We are going to pick up a cat for foster care later this afternoon. Take care of it until it is adopted. We went with fostering cats because our son said he would get too attached to a dog if she fostered for them. He likes cats well enough, but loves dogs. This program takes the load off the shelter (we are a small town and the shelter has limited resources) for feeding and caring for them until they get adopted

If I had more space I’d consider doing that as well since there is a continual need for pet fostering. But I’d need to construct an isolated space to keep that cat separate from the current overlords if necessary.

210 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 6:59:59am

This is the stupidest meme of the day:
Doofus, robots are NOT FREE. They cost a shit-ton of money, and the robotics programmers and service engineers who maintain them make A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN MINIMUM WAGE.

211 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 7:01:04am

Heh.

212 Pie-onist Overlord  May 23, 2014 7:01:04am

And with that, I’m off to Canada! Have a greak weekend!

213 Ian G.  May 23, 2014 7:01:25am

spc.noaa.gov

Look at that heavy rain falling over the TX panhandle. Boy, do they ever need that. They probably need a good 3-4 days of this to really bite into the drought, but they just may get it.

214 Bulworth  May 23, 2014 7:01:39am

Pie-onist Overlord

#donthire #automate

WTFITS?

215 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 7:04:49am

re: #210 Pie-onist Overlord

This is the stupidest meme of the day:
Doofus, robots are NOT FREE. They cost a shit-ton of money, and the robotics programmers and service engineers who maintain them make A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN MINIMUM WAGE.

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Hell, the whole cast of people involved in putting that robot there, from the guy who designs the machine, to the programmer who makes it work, to the guys on the assembly line who built it, to the technicians who installed it and fix any issues with it, are not minimum wage workers.

216 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 7:06:27am

What good is this going to do? They are financed by al-Qaeda.

217 GunstarGreen  May 23, 2014 7:06:34am

re: #214 Bulworth

Pie-onist Overlord

#donthire #automate

WTFITS?

What it is, is profoundly retarded people who want to live out their impotent, petty little revenge fantasies of having teh poors that dare agitate for a living wage replaced by machines, “Because your job is so simple and unskilled that robots could do it, man!!11!1!!1!!”

This, completely ignoring the exorbitant cost of complex robotics and machinery, the cost of manufacturing and upkeep on such specialized equipment, and the FAR-above-minimum-wage costs of paying people with the special skills required to repair and program and service the things.

218 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 7:09:05am

re: #207 NJDhockeyfan

Peta requests memorial for more than 1,000 chickens killed in M62 lorry crash

I would love to build a memorial in front of PETA’s main headquarters for the millions of dogs and cats they’ve killed. Maybe put a number on it labeled Murdered Pets by PETA and update it on a monthly basis.

Oh for chrissakes. I believe in taking proper care of animals, both those we pet, and those we eat. But if these people could concentrate more on taking care of the human race instead of pushing their cultish beliefs, we would all be better off, including animals. They’ve gone waaaaay past their original mission and have evolved into crowd of utter zealots who should turn anyone off.

219 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 7:09:11am

re: #217 GunstarGreen

What it is, is profoundly retarded people who want to live out their impotent, petty little revenge fantasies of having teh poors that dare agitate for a living wage replaced by machines, “Because your job is so simple and unskilled that robots could do it, man!!11!1!!1!!”

This, completely ignoring the exorbitant cost of complex robotics and machinery, the cost of manufacturing and upkeep on such specialized equipment, and the FAR-above-minimum-wage costs of paying people with the special skills required to repair and program and service the things.

Not to mention that when a robot breaks down, you can’t just threaten to fire it unless it gets back to work. I wonder how many of these witless wonders who think that you can just replace minimum wage workers with machines are themselves bitter because they were replaced on the assembly line by a machine?

220 wheat-dogghazi  May 23, 2014 7:13:48am

re: #219 Targetpractice

Not to mention that when a robot breaks down, you can’t just threaten to fire it unless it gets back to work. I wonder how many of these witless wonders who think that you can just replace minimum wage workers with machines are themselves bitter because they were replaced on the assembly line by a machine?

They’d be the first ones to squawk when the McD-robot screws up their Triple Cheeseburger with Fries and a Coke order. “I remember the old days, when people worked in fast food joints! Robots can’t cook worth shit!.”

221 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 7:15:48am

re: #220 wheat-dogghazi

They’d be the first ones to squawk when the McD-robot screws up their Triple Cheeseburger with Fries and a Coke order. “I remember the old days, when people worked in fast food joints! Robots can’t cook worth shit!.”

“I ordered a Big Mac with large fries and a Coke.”

“Sir, the machine says you confirmed an order of a Quarter Pounder with small fries and a sweet tea.”

“I don’t care what it says, I know what I ordered!”

“Sir, the machine says this is your order. If you have a complaint, there’s a number on your receipt to call.”

222 FemNaziBitch  May 23, 2014 7:16:07am

As usual,, I’m a big confused.

The population of Afghanistan is going to be spyed on for 72 hours.

The population of Afghanistan is being spyed on in 72 hours for a second or two?

Who is doing the spying?

does it matter?

223 Dr Lizardo  May 23, 2014 7:16:48am

re: #210 Pie-onist Overlord

This is the stupidest meme of the day:
Doofus, robots are NOT FREE. They cost a shit-ton of money, and the robotics programmers and service engineers who maintain them make A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN MINIMUM WAGE.

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Precisely; that’s what these fools aren’t thinking through. The capital expenditure to purchase a robot (or other automated system) not to mention the support personnel needed to maintain those systems - all of whom make exponentially more than a minimum-wage, to put it mildly.

224 wheat-dogghazi  May 23, 2014 7:17:45am

re: #221 Targetpractice

Imagine the order if Siri were taking the voice commands.

225 HappyWarrior  May 23, 2014 7:17:57am

re: #223 Dr Lizardo

Precisely; that’s what these fools aren’t thinking through. The capital expenditure to purchase a robot (or other automated system) not to mention the support personnel needed to maintain those systems - all of whom make exponentially more than a minimum-wage, to put it mildly.

They don’t think about that though. That’s one constant I’ve noticed with them is how unbelievably short sighted they are.

226 Feline Fearless Leader  May 23, 2014 7:18:01am

re: #220 wheat-dogghazi

They’d be the first ones to squawk when the McD-robot screws up their Triple Cheeseburger with Fries and a Coke order. “I remember the old days, when people worked in fast food joints! Robots can’t cook worth shit!.”

(bender)
You can bite my shiny metal ass!
(/bender)

227 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 7:18:07am
228 HappyWarrior  May 23, 2014 7:18:27am

re: #224 wheat-dogghazi

Imagine the order if Siri were taking the voice commands.

“No, siri, I did not ask for a burger from Cairo.”

229 Feline Fearless Leader  May 23, 2014 7:19:06am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

“No, siri, I did not ask for a burger from Cairo.”

How about a hot dog from Toledo?
;)

230 palomino  May 23, 2014 7:19:24am

re: #187 Killgore Trout

I’m not an economist but given Vox’s recent content I doubt this is a good idea
Slavery reparations are workable and affordable

The article you’re so outraged about wasn’t a proposal for monetary reparations paid directly to black people. Try reading the actual article next time.

231 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 7:20:30am

re: #224 wheat-dogghazi

Imagine the order if Siri were taking the voice commands.

Hell, just having a touch screen interface would be an absolute horror.

“I don’t want pickles on my burger. What button do I push to take them off?”

232 otoc  May 23, 2014 7:21:19am

re: #219 Targetpractice

Not to mention that when a robot breaks down, you can’t just threaten to fire it unless it gets back to work. I wonder how many of these witless wonders who think that you can just replace minimum wage workers with machines are themselves bitter because they were replaced on the assembly line by a machine?

The beauty of the current system is minimum wage workers below the poverty threshold get subsidized help, both in healthcare and assorted other items. The infrastructure behind robotics doesn’t get the same government help. In the end, with all private costs tallied, the robot loses.

Personally, I don’t think those using the snotty “replace you with a robot” meme ever worked an assembly line. I fear it is just that typical smokescreen against people who make a living by those whom are either part of the top percents or those brainwashed to speak their bidding without thought.

233 FemNaziBitch  May 23, 2014 7:22:45am

Can You Hold a Plank Position for Two Minutes?

I’m less concerned about my core, than that my elbows would give out. Although two minutes is an awful long time.

234 palomino  May 23, 2014 7:22:51am

re: #188 ObserverArt

To Doc Ben government backed healthcare = slavery.

Dude is a loon. I don’t care how good a doctor he is/was. He is bad for this country with his backassward thinking politically.

Dr. Carson is a columnist for the far right Washington Times, a publication so bad most conservatives don’t even take it seriously. He is not to be taken seriously either. He’s actually less qualified to run for president than Herman Cain, who not only ran America’s 7th largest(!) pizza chain but was also head of the KC Fed.

235 wheat-dogghazi  May 23, 2014 7:23:40am

re: #231 Targetpractice

Hell, just having a touch screen interface would be an absolute horror.

“I don’t want pickles on my burger. What button do I push to take them off?”

A couple of restaurants here in China use iPads/Android tablets as menus. A waitress is there to help with your selections, though. China still employs human wait staff and cooks, thankfully.

236 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 7:24:16am

Things at fast-food joints are already slow enough without people arguing with the machine taking their orders or bitching to the manager that the machine got their order wrong because they wanted four pieces of fish and got four pieces of chicken instead.

237 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  May 23, 2014 7:24:21am

Happy Friday fellow Lizards!

238 Dr Lizardo  May 23, 2014 7:24:52am

re: #231 Targetpractice

Hell, just having a touch screen interface would be an absolute horror.

“I don’t want pickles on my burger. What button do I push to take them off?”

Some stores here, such as IKEA and Baumax (a hardware store) have those automated self-checkout lanes. Czechs aren’t too thrilled with them, to be honest - they’re rarely used.

Tesco did have them one of their hypermarkets here - and they pulled them out once folks figured out how they get away with, for instance, buying one kilo of tomatoes for the price of one kilo of potatoes - a 70% difference in price. The machines only go by weight and the UPC sticker you’ve put on the plastic bag…..so people would weigh up their tomatoes, and then put a potato price sticker on it.

Sneaky.

239 otoc  May 23, 2014 7:27:09am

re: #238 Dr Lizardo

Some stores here, such as IKEA and Baumax (a hardware store) have those automated self-checkout lanes. Czechs aren’t too thrilled with them, to be honest - they’re rarely used.

Tesco did have them one of their hypermarkets here - and they pulled them out once folks figured out how they get away with, for instance, buying one kilo of tomatoes for the price of one kilo of potatoes - a 70% difference in price. The machines only go by weight and the UPC sticker you’ve put on the plastic bag…..so people would weigh up their tomatoes, and then put a potato price sticker on it.

Sneaky.

Here in states, we have the NSA watching over those self checkouts by way of the security cameras and network interfaces….

240 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 7:27:26am

re: #238 Dr Lizardo

Some stores here, such as IKEA and Baumax (a hardware store) have those automated self-checkout lanes. Czechs aren’t too thrilled with them, to be honest - they’re rarely used.

Tesco did have them one of their hypermarkets here - and they pulled them out once folks figured out how they get away with, for instance, buying one kilo of tomatoes for the price of one kilo of potatoes - a 70% difference in price. The machines only go by weight and the UPC sticker you’ve put on the plastic bag…..so people would weigh up their tomatoes, and then put a potato price sticker on it.

Sneaky.

We have automated checkout lanes in a lot of businesses here in the States, like Wal-Mart or Kroger. But they’ve proven more of a bottleneck than human workers have. Nothing quite like having a machine bark at you to put the item you scanned two seconds ago in the bagging area. Or having to wait on a human to come check your ID when buying cigarettes or alcohol. Really, in the grand scheme of things, they’re little more than glorified express checkout lanes.

241 Eventual Carrion  May 23, 2014 7:27:32am

re: #219 Targetpractice

Not to mention that when a robot breaks down, you can’t just threaten to fire it unless it gets back to work. I wonder how many of these witless wonders who think that you can just replace minimum wage workers with machines are themselves bitter because they were replaced on the assembly line by a machine?

Yep, they will have to pay for the machine and a backup plan if the machine breaks down (like the cashiers that watch the self serve grocery checkouts), like have a second machine sitting there to take its place in case of failure (and a person that knows how to set it up when the time comes it is needed). So even at that you will be paying for at least one backup machine and a maintenance contract for that machine to sit idle, and probably someone knowledgeable enough to prep it into action when needed close at hand (who will probably want paid to be available). Then heaven forbid you change something on the menu and need to replace the whole machine (and backup) to account for that.

242 Feline Fearless Leader  May 23, 2014 7:28:17am

re: #236 Targetpractice

Things at fast-food joints are already slow enough without people arguing with the machine taking their orders or bitching to the manager that the machine got their order wrong because they wanted four pieces of fish and got four pieces of chicken instead.

And what will the machine do when the fourth person in a row shows up claiming to be Korben Dallas wanting to get his pickup order?
;P

243 FemNaziBitch  May 23, 2014 7:28:32am

I am not a fan of self check-out. I have issues with the idea of “giving” my money to a company (for their product) yet still having to do all the work.

Yes, I feel the same about pumping my own gas.

Sometimes, the self check-out is nice, tho. Mostly for when I have one or two items and am in a hurry.

244 Major Tom  May 23, 2014 7:29:13am

GASP!

245 Eventual Carrion  May 23, 2014 7:31:44am

re: #220 wheat-dogghazi

They’d be the first ones to squawk when the McD-robot screws up their Triple Cheeseburger with Fries and a Coke order. “I remember the old days, when people worked in fast food joints! Robots can’t cook worth shit!.”

Yep, just like they bitch about computer assisted help phone lines:
Press 1 for English, 2 for Español, 3 for Swahili, 4 for …

“Why can’t I just talk to a fucking human!”

246 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 7:32:13am

re: #243 FemNaziBitch

I am not a fan of self check-out. I have issues with the idea of “giving” my money to a company (for their product) yet still having to do all the work.

Yes, I feel the same about pumping my own gas.

Sometimes, the self check-out is nice, tho. Mostly for when I have one or two items and am in a hurry.

And that’s all I really ever use it for, when I have a couple items and want to avoid the line at the express checkout register. Call me crazy, but I think human interaction is worth a few more dollars added to the minimum wage. And I think a lot of those who are threatening to replace minimum wage workers with machines are the kinda people who get irate when they call a help line and get a machine instead of a live operator.

247 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 7:33:07am

re: #243 FemNaziBitch

I am not a fan of self check-out. I have issues with the idea of “giving” my money to a company (for their product) yet still having to do all the work.

Yes, I feel the same about pumping my own gas.

Sometimes, the self check-out is nice, tho. Mostly for when I have one or two items and am in a hurry.

I remember the old days when you never got out of your car. The attendant would ask you which gas you wanted and pumped it for you, checked your oil and added a quart if you were low, and inspected the windshield wipers which they would replace if needed.

248 Killgore Trout  May 23, 2014 7:33:18am

re: #230 palomino

The article you’re so outraged about wasn’t a proposal for monetary reparations paid directly to black people. Try reading the actual article next time.

The vox article is about monetary reparations. The NTC article was just a catalog of racial injustice with a click bait headline about reparations to generate pundit buzz. I strongly suspect it was originally written as part of a book or some research project and he just pasted an outrageous headline on it and posted it as an article. Look at the end of his article. There’s no wrap up or conclusion, it just stops. As something to generate buzz it worked but as an article it kind of sucked.

249 Killgore Trout  May 23, 2014 7:35:30am

re: #243 FemNaziBitch

I am not a fan of self check-out. I have issues with the idea of “giving” my money to a company (for their product) yet still having to do all the work.

Yes, I feel the same about pumping my own gas.

Sometimes, the self check-out is nice, tho. Mostly for when I have one or two items and am in a hurry.

My problem with self check out is if you’re buying things without bar codes (fresh produce) then it’s a huge pain in the ass looking up each item and clicking through all the screens.

250 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 7:35:30am

re: #247 NJDhockeyfan

I remember the old days when you never got out of your car. The attendant would ask you which gas you wanted and pumped it for you, checked your oil and added a quart if you were low, and inspected the windshield wipers which they would replace if needed.

I’m way too young to have experienced that. From the moment I learned to drive, pumping my own gas has been my responsibility.

252 wheat-dogghazi  May 23, 2014 7:38:19am

re: #250 Targetpractice

I’m way too young to have experienced that. From the moment I learned to drive, pumping my own gas has been my responsibility.

Visit the Garden State. The last time I was there (been years) there were no self-serve gas stations.

253 FemNaziBitch  May 23, 2014 7:39:07am

So far, today is better than yesterday.

Station: Chicago Area (Melrose Park), IL
Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Station Head(s): Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Date of Pollen and Mold Count: 05/23/2014

*********************************
Pollen & Mold Summary
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Trees: High Concentration
Weeds: High Concentration
Grass: Moderate Concentration
Mold: Low Concentration

you?

254 Eventual Carrion  May 23, 2014 7:39:09am

re: #247 NJDhockeyfan

I remember the old days when you never got out of your car. The attendant would ask you which gas you wanted and pumped it for you, checked your oil and added a quart if you were low, and inspected the windshield wipers which they would replace if needed.

Yep, that was me at my grandpa’s service station in Mississippi. Check oil, tire pressure, clean windows, hell even replace a burnt out tail light if needed. They hand you the money, you hand them change (and green stamps if applicable), and off they went.

255 palomino  May 23, 2014 7:39:11am

re: #248 Killgore Trout

The vox article is about monetary reparations. The NTC article was just a catalog of racial injustice with a click bait headline about reparations to generate pundit buzz. I strongly suspect it was originally written as part of a book or some research project and he just pasted an outrageous headline on it and posted it as an article. Look at the end of his article. There’s no wrap up or conclusion, it just stops. As something to generate buzz it worked but as an article it kind of sucked.

I didn’t realize you were outraged by multiple articles, both TNC and Vox. Kinda weird coming from the guy who seems to think everything else is overhyped.

256 Killgore Trout  May 23, 2014 7:39:25am

re: #252 wheat-dogghazi

Visit the Garden State. The last time I was there (been years) there were no self-serve gas stations.

Oregon is the same. I can go years without touching my gas cap.

257 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 7:39:43am

re: #250 Targetpractice

I’m way too young to have experienced that. From the moment I learned to drive, pumping my own gas has been my responsibility.

That’s was back when customer service was something cherished. You youngsters don’t know what you’re missing!

258 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 7:40:45am

re: #257 NJDhockeyfan

That’s was back when customer service was something cherished. You youngsters don’t know what you’re missing!

No doubt. It’s sort of one of those “beware what you wish for moments” for all those assholes threatening to replace minimum wage workers with machines.

259 FemNaziBitch  May 23, 2014 7:40:51am
Polonian

PRONUNCIATION:
(po-LO-nee-uhn)

MEANING:
adjective:
1. Abounding in aphoristic expressions.
2. A native or inhabitant of Poland.

ETYMOLOGY:
For 1: After Polonius, a courtier and the father of Ophelia in Shakespeare’s play Hamlet, known for his moralistic aphorisms. Earliest documented use: 1847.
For 2: From Latin Polonia (Poland). Earliest documented use: 1533.

NOTES:
Some of Shakespeare’s best-known quotations come out of Polonius’s mouth. As his son Laertes heads for France, Polonius advises:

“Neither a borrower nor a lender be,
For loan oft loses both itself and friend.”

“This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.”

At another time, he says: “Brevity is the soul of wit.”
As happens with quotations, some of his words have become simplified and sharpened with time, such as from the original “For the apparel oft proclaims the man.” to “Clothes make the man.”

USAGE:
“A few Polonian precepts can do something to indicate whether or not a scientist is cut out for collaboration.”
P.B. Medawar; Advice To A Young Scientist; Harper and Row; 1980.

“Derek Mahon’s admonitory phrases often sounds Polonian rather than Apollonian: ‘Everything thrives on contrariety’, ‘Equip yourself in every way you can / to take it like a woman or a man.’”
Hugh Haughton; The Poetry of Derek Mahon; Oxford University Press; 2007.

260 Feline Fearless Leader  May 23, 2014 7:42:22am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

My problem with self check out is if you’re buying things without bar codes (fresh produce) then it’s a huge pain in the ass looking up each item and clicking through all the screens.

The Wegmans I frequent have scales that will weigh print out scannable price stickers in multiple places in their fresh produce area. I bag and tag my stuff well before I get near the checkout. And they are good about posting the item codes with the produce, as well as providing lookup capability in the scale software as well.

261 FemNaziBitch  May 23, 2014 7:42:40am

re: #245 Eventual Carrion

Yep, just like they bitch about computer assisted help phone lines:
Press 1 for English, 2 for Español, 3 for Swahili, 4 for …

“Why can’t I just talk to a fucking human!”

I’d wait until they are not fucking.

262 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 7:43:32am

re: #254 Eventual Carrion

Yep, that was me at my grandpa’s service station in Mississippi. Check oil, tire pressure, clean windows, hell even replace a burnt out tail light if needed. They hand you the money, you hand them change (and green stamps if applicable), and off they went.

Yes, green stamps! Thanks for the memories :)

Green Stamps

263 HappyWarrior  May 23, 2014 7:44:39am

re: #245 Eventual Carrion

Yep, just like they bitch about computer assisted help phone lines:
Press 1 for English, 2 for Español, 3 for Swahili, 4 for …

“Why can’t I just talk to a fucking human!”

That’s what I’m getting at when it comes to short sightedness. These are the same people who get upset dealing with other languages or a customer service rep whose first language may not be English. They’re going to take kindly to a machine? Besides machines will and do make mistakes. And new technology should never ever be an excuse to refuse to pay decent wages.

264 thedopefishlives  May 23, 2014 7:44:47am

Morning Lizardim.

265 Rightwingconspirator  May 23, 2014 7:44:48am

re: #221 Targetpractice

“I ordered a Big Mac with large fries and a Coke.”

“Sir, the machine says you confirmed an order of a Quarter Pounder with small fries and a sweet tea.”

“I don’t care what it says, I know what I ordered!”

“Sir, the machine says this is your order. If you have a complaint, there’s a number on your receipt to call.”

Gave me a little Elysium flashback…

266 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 7:44:59am

re: #262 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, green stamps! Thanks for the memories :)

Green Stamps

The local grocery store in my grandmother’s small town was still giving those out less than 10 years ago. Back when customer loyalty was more than just a card that got you a few cents off that package of Twinkies.

267 wheat-dogghazi  May 23, 2014 7:45:25am

Image: Texaco1955wide.jpg

268 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 7:46:40am

re: #265 Rightwingconspirator

Gave me a little Elysium flashback…

You mean the scene where the medic robot happily tells Matt Damon’s character that he’s dying from lethal radiation poisoning, only has five days to live, and to take a couple horse pills with each meal to remain somewhat alive until he drops dead in a week’s time?

269 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 7:47:07am

Green Stamps Sign

270 wheat-dogghazi  May 23, 2014 7:48:23am

re: #269 NJDhockeyfan

My mom collected S&H green stamps for years. Finast supermarkets handed them out.

271 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 7:48:43am

re: #266 Targetpractice

The local grocery store in my grandmother’s small town was still giving those out less than 10 years ago. Back when customer loyalty was more than just a card that got you a few cents off that package of Twinkies.

There are some grocery stores around here that will still bring your groceries to your car and load them for you.

272 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 7:49:49am

re: #270 wheat-dogghazi

My mom collected S&H green stamps for years. Finast supermarkets handed them out.

My mom did too. We ended up using her stamps to get her a new super 8 movie camera.

273 Rightwingconspirator  May 23, 2014 7:50:18am

re: #268 Targetpractice

That and the robot cop brutality.

274 FemNaziBitch  May 23, 2014 7:50:19am

re: #271 NJDhockeyfan

There are some grocery stores around here that will still bring your groceries to your car and load them for you.

Most of the ones around here ask if you need help out. You then pull up by the door and the bagger person loads for you. I think it’s part of the Americans with Disabilities Act requirments, but some stores do not advertise it.

Same with Gas Stations. They have to help you if you can’t do it yourself.

275 Dr Lizardo  May 23, 2014 7:50:26am

re: #256 Killgore Trout

Oregon is the same. I can go years without touching my gas cap.

They still won’t let you pump your own gas in Oregon?!

276 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 7:51:08am

re: #271 NJDhockeyfan

There are some grocery stores around here that will still bring your groceries to your car and load them for you.

Like I said, once upon a time stores cared about your patronage and took care of you to instill loyalty in their brand. Now? You’re just a statistic, a number on their spreadsheet for the day. If you leave dissatisfied, they couldn’t care less.

277 thedopefishlives  May 23, 2014 7:51:12am

re: #275 Dr Lizardo

They >still won’t let you pump your own gas in Oregon?!

Nope. Last I’d heard, New Jersey didn’t either. Only two states that couldn’t.

278 Dr Lizardo  May 23, 2014 7:52:04am

re: #277 thedopefishlives

Nope. Last I’d heard, New Jersey didn’t either. Only two states that couldn’t.

Wow. I figured by now that it would be legal.

279 Bulworth  May 23, 2014 7:52:16am

Wow, I thought NJ was the only state that didn’t have self-serve gas.

280 thedopefishlives  May 23, 2014 7:52:37am

re: #277 thedopefishlives

The reason I remember this is because on a diesel forum I used to frequent, guys would get frustrated because they’re legally allowed to pump diesel fuel, but not gasoline. So they’d pull up in their Volkswagen TDI’s and the guys would jump out to pump gas for them, and they’d get into arguments with the station attendants.

281 Targetpractice  May 23, 2014 7:52:57am

re: #273 Rightwingconspirator

That and the robot cop brutality.

Yeah, that was another scene that I looked at and thought “There’s people out there who’d watch this and think it’s a good idea.”

282 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 7:53:11am

The hell with McDonald’s and fast food.

I had 3 overrripe bananas and just made a loaf of banana/oatmeal bread.

I’ll give it away, though, probably let my grandson take it to work for those underpaid workers. Too much sugar in it for moi. : )

283 otoc  May 23, 2014 7:53:13am

re: #253 FemNaziBitch

So far, today is better than yesterday.

you?

I feel for you. I’ve been pouring sand in my eyes to get some relief.

284 Flounder  May 23, 2014 7:54:08am

re: #280 thedopefishlives

Fight the battles you can win!!!!

285 thedopefishlives  May 23, 2014 7:55:36am

re: #284 Flounder

Fight the battles you can win!!!!

Some guys started carrying around copies of the relevant statute and showing it to the station attendants so that they could pump their own diesel. It helps that there’s a valid concern - putting diesel in a gasoline car will make it run crappy and probably stall out, but do no damage; putting gas in a diesel car will wreck the fuel pump, and that’s a several-thousand-dollar repair.

286 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 7:56:02am

1965 Gas - 30 cents/gal regular

1965 Gas Station

287 Dr Lizardo  May 23, 2014 7:57:50am

re: #286 NJDhockeyfan

1965 Gas - 30 cents/gal regular

1965 Gas Station

When adjusted for inflation, that’s about $2.33 per gallon.

288 Flounder  May 23, 2014 7:58:25am

re: #285 thedopefishlives

OOOooh. Yeah, pumping gas into diesels is double plus ungood. I thought they just wanted to pump their own fuel.

289 thedopefishlives  May 23, 2014 7:58:32am

re: #287 Dr Lizardo

When adjusted for inflation, that’s about $2.33 per gallon.

Butbutbut OBAMA GAS PRICES!!!

290 thedopefishlives  May 23, 2014 7:59:47am

re: #288 Flounder

OOOooh. Yeah, pumping gas into diesels is double plus ungood. I thought they just wanted to pump their own fuel.

Yeah, no, several guys had incidents where idiot attendants put gas in it. One, I think, even had a legal battle where the gas station refused to pay for the repair. So they started taking matters into their own hands.

291 b.d.  May 23, 2014 8:01:52am

re: #286 NJDhockeyfan

1965 Gas - 30 cents/gal regular

1965 Gas Station

I remember on a family vacation in the early seventies my father throwing a fit because the gas was so high “I’m never going to pay $10 to fill up this station wagon again!!!”

He was right.

:p

292 wheat-dogghazi  May 23, 2014 8:04:15am

re: #291 b.d.

I remember on a family vacation in the early seventies my father throwing a fit because the gas was so high “I’m never going to pay $10 to fill up this station wagon again!!!”

He was right.

:p

I started to drive during the “gas crisis” of the early 1970s, when prices jumped from 36 cents to over a dollar in no time. I remember the lines for gas, too. I think I even ran out of gas idling the car in one of those lines.

293 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 8:06:59am

re: #276 Targetpractice

Like I said, once upon a time stores cared about your patronage and took care of you to instill loyalty in their brand. Now? You’re just a statistic, a number on their spreadsheet for the day. If you leave dissatisfied, they couldn’t care less.

Most stores, if you’re elderly or disabled, will assist you with loading. At 73, I’m still loading my own, though (I need the exercise).

Out of necessity, I frequent the same store (they know me well—12 yrs ago I worked there, too, in the deli when I first moved here) and usually wind up buying the sale items and getting coupons from the kiosk for things I use frequently (one advantage of them tracking your purchases). And I buy a lot of store brands, because this chain has some excellent items, although I will stoop to name brands sometimes if the price if right—for instance, the 2-fers they have, in which case if I just get one, it’s half price. I’ll visit the farmers market nearby, too, at the local elementary school, but my experience is that it tends to be sometimes overpriced with not much variety, in which case, I’ll visit the little produce store nearby or stop at a roadside stand for tomatoes, squash, etc, what’s in season. I just wish chicken was not so expensive (and there are plenty of chicken producers in NC).

I can squeeze a penny until Lincoln squeals. : )

The cheapest I remember paying for gas in the ’60s was 25 cents/gal.

294 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 8:08:03am

re: #291 b.d.

I remember on a family vacation in the early seventies my father throwing a fit because the gas was so high “I’m never going to pay $10 to fill up this station wagon again!!!”

He was right.

:p

Remember the family Sunday drive? Pack the car with the family and take a drive out in the country.

295 Ian G.  May 23, 2014 8:13:49am

re: #256 Killgore Trout

Oregon is the same. I can go years without touching my gas cap.

Yup. I’m used to it in Jersey since I’ve lived near it my whole life, but my first time in Oregon 3 years ago had a gas station attendant running at me and yelling as I was about to start pumping gas. :-P

296 Killgore Trout  May 23, 2014 8:16:36am

re: #275 Dr Lizardo

They still won’t let you pump your own gas in Oregon?!

Nope, and they get really pissed if you try. I gave up years ago. If the attendant is busy or just slow you have to wait. I’ve always wondered if there’s some sort of penalty or jail time for an act of civil disobedience by pumping your own gas.

297 FemNaziBitch  May 23, 2014 8:18:48am

Pam Anderson is brave:

Someone like Anderson, who is both an out sexual abuse survivor and unapologetically sexual, can help people understand that those things do not conflict. You can enjoy your sexuality and share it with others—on your own terms—while objecting to people who force sex on you against your will. It has been heartening see the incredibly supportive response by most of the media to Anderson’s announcement, with very little slut-shaming or insinuations that she somehow asked for it. Perhaps people are finally beginning to learn that just because someone is a proudly sexual woman, she isn’t any less deserving of a life free from violence.

also Paged

298 thedopefishlives  May 23, 2014 8:19:42am

re: #296 Killgore Trout

Nope, and they get really pissed if you try. I gave up years ago. If the attendant is busy or just slow you have to wait. I’ve always wondered if there’s some sort of penalty or jail time for an act of civil disobedience by pumping your own gas.

I’ve always wondered why OR and NJ persist in keeping that regulation. I mean, I get that gasoline can be a dangerous substance, but the other 48 states - and most of the rest of the world - seem to get along just fine without blowing themselves or anyone else up.

299 Dr. Matt  May 23, 2014 8:19:44am

re: #286 NJDhockeyfan

1965 Gas - 30 cents/gal regular

1965 Gas Station

Great pic. Where is that?

I lowest price I recall is around 55 cents…..mid/late 70s I think.

300 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 8:20:26am

Oh my, Godwald is butt hurt over Michael Kinsley’s review of his jeremiad against the US govt.

firstlook.org

He starts out by raking Kinsley over the coals for approval of what Bush used—the signing statement—which is actually Constitutional, and which Pres Obama, and every other President, has used on occasion.

GG is both a failed “constitutional” lawyer and a failed “journalist” as well. He does, however, bring the practice of obfuscation to a fine point in his overall butt hurt.

301 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2014 8:20:42am

I remember “gas wars” back in the late 60s, when competing gas stations would start dropping prices to attract customers.
Price would be in the low 30 cents in the morning and drop to mid 20 cents by end of day.

303 Killgore Trout  May 23, 2014 8:21:09am

Speaking of Portland: It’s Not A “Street Fee.” It’s a “Transportation Utility Fee.” Here’s What it Looks Like.

I love living here but I wonder how much longer it’s going to last. They are really piling up all the taxes and fees. Some of them (like the “art tax”) are horribly stupid.

304 Dr Lizardo  May 23, 2014 8:21:20am

re: #296 Killgore Trout

Nope, and they get really pissed if you try. I gave up years ago. If the attendant is busy or just slow you have to wait. I’ve always wondered if there’s some sort of penalty or jail time for an act of civil disobedience by pumping your own gas.

The last I recall, and it’s been well over a decade, is that there is a fine for pumping your own gas in Oregon.

305 Dr. Matt  May 23, 2014 8:21:33am

re: #256 Killgore Trout

Oregon is the same. I can go years without touching my gas cap.

Ugh. My OCFD (Obsessive Control Freak Disorder) wouldn’t be able to handle someone else filling my tank.

306 Killgore Trout  May 23, 2014 8:22:01am

re: #298 thedopefishlives

I’ve always wondered why OR and NJ persist in keeping that regulation. I mean, I get that gasoline can be a dangerous substance, but the other 48 states - and most of the rest of the world - seem to get along just fine without blowing themselves or anyone else up.

I was always told it’s about protecting the jobs of gas station attendants. Don’t know if that’s true or not.

307 thedopefishlives  May 23, 2014 8:22:17am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

I remember “gas wars” back in the late 60s, when competing gas stations would start dropping prices to attract customers.
Price would be in the low 30 cents in the morning and drop to mid 20 cents by end of day.

Fun fact for the day: Kokomo, IN, has been determined to be the most volatile gasoline market in the country. Prices change multiple times a day, every day, and the prices are different in different areas of the city. It’s so bad that it’s basically required to have a smartphone and a gas price tracking app if you intend to do anything more than helplessly ride the tidal wave of price fuckery.

308 Rightwingconspirator  May 23, 2014 8:23:06am

re: #286 NJDhockeyfan

1965 Gas - 30 cents/gal regular

1965 Gas Station

No extra charge for the lead.

309 Dr Lizardo  May 23, 2014 8:23:38am

re: #306 Killgore Trout

I was always told it’s about protecting the jobs of gas station attendants. Don’t know if that’s true or not.

From what I remember, the Oregon State Fire Marshal was opposed to it on the grounds that people might blow themselves up or create an otherwise hazardous situation by pumping their own gas - at least, that was the official reason.

310 FemNaziBitch  May 23, 2014 8:25:40am

REALLY?

311 b.d.  May 23, 2014 8:25:59am

re: #308 Rightwingconspirator

No extra charge for the lead.

No lead added gasoline was more expensive than gas that had it added to it too.

312 FemNaziBitch  May 23, 2014 8:26:43am

New Elizabeth Warren speech:
Youtube Video

313 thedopefishlives  May 23, 2014 8:27:02am

re: #310 FemNaziBitch

I see the concept of compound interest is escaping some people. Note that I do, in principle, agree that student loan debt is getting incredibly outrageous; but this one seems to be a little on the derpy side.

314 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 8:27:41am

re: #299 Dr. Matt

Great pic. Where is that?

I lowest price I recall is around 55 cents…..mid/late 70s I think.

Found it here. Doesn’t say where the location is.

315 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2014 8:30:02am

re: #308 Rightwingconspirator

No extra charge for the lead.

We have a 1947 Chevy that every once in a while we have to pour in some lead additive to the gas tank.

316 iossarian  May 23, 2014 8:32:00am

re: #310 FemNaziBitch

REALLY?

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It’s possible as long as the “faithfully” part is investigated a bit. Student loans are very difficult to get rid of, and if you’re paying an income-contingent rate without forgiveness then you could well end up in that situation.

317 Slap  May 23, 2014 8:32:00am

re: #267 wheat-dogghazi

What’s up with the dude wearing the down vest and Nikes? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe either were around in ‘55….

318 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 8:32:07am

re: #310 FemNaziBitch

REALLY?

[Embedded image]

Don’t think the SS & Medicare statements are correct (I will try to find out), but over 23 years you can rack up a shitload of interest since it compounds.

ETA: See below. Just don’t expect relief on interest if you skip payments; interest is based on principal owed.

319 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 8:32:25am

This is in Florida so I’ll guess and say the other pic is also in Florida.

Direct Gas Station in Florida

320 Killgore Trout  May 23, 2014 8:34:58am

re: #309 Dr Lizardo

From what I remember, the Oregon State Fire Marshal was opposed to it on the grounds that people might blow themselves up or create an otherwise hazardous situation by pumping their own gas - at least, that was the official reason.

lol

321 Rightwingconspirator  May 23, 2014 8:36:21am

Yup, I’m in for this one. Might be a dud, might get really lucky and have a meteor storm. If it’s not bright where you live you might get a good show.

Timing is Great for North America

Camelopardalid meteor prediction for San Francisco
This plot shows that, from the suburbs of San Francisco, a skywatcher out just after midnight on May 24th might see more than 100 meteors in an hour from new Camelopardalid shower. You can use the same “Fluximator” to estimate how many meteors you’ll see from various cities (and using different predictions).
Peter Jenniskens / SETI Institute
Storm or no storm, they agree that the peak will likely occur between about 6:30 and 7:30 Universal Time on the 24th. This timing favors North Americans, though it means you’ll have to be out around 3 a.m. on the East Coast and just after midnight on the West Coast. The outburst will be brief, lasting just a few hours, though a somewhat longer duration is possible. Moonlight from a slender waning crescent won’t be a problem.
- See more at: skyandtelescope.com

322 FemNaziBitch  May 23, 2014 8:37:44am

Why we need to focus on Domestic Violence (and Sexual Assault)

Supporters call these assessments critical preventive tools in addressing intimate partner violence, which results in nearly one out of every seven murders nationally according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

323 FemNaziBitch  May 23, 2014 8:40:27am

re: #313 thedopefishlives

I see the concept of compound interest is escaping some people. Note that I do, in principle, agree that student loan debt is getting incredibly outrageous; but this one seems to be a little on the derpy side.

I’d like to see the Truth in Lending box on the loan papers n #310.

324 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 8:40:53am

re: #318 Justanotherhuman

Don’t think the SS & Medicare statements are correct (I will try to find out), but over 23 years you can rack up a shitload of interest since it compounds.

Here’s the skinny on that.

tuition.io

Bottom line? Don’t go back to school with Federal loans (private cos cannot collect from your SS) when you’re reaching retirement age, and don’t co-sign Federal loans for children or grandchildren.

325 Dr. Matt  May 23, 2014 8:41:02am

re: #319 NJDhockeyfan

This is in Florida so I’ll guess and say the other pic is also in Florida.

Direct Gas Station in Florida

Yeah. Likely. In the first pick you can see Spanish Moss on the Oaks in the background. Very common in the SE, especially FL.

326 FemNaziBitch  May 23, 2014 8:41:19am

Are student loans compound or simple interest?

327 thedopefishlives  May 23, 2014 8:43:09am

re: #326 FemNaziBitch

Are student loans compound or simple interest?

I don’t know, but I know the math in #310 is clearly screwed up. To say nothing of the other derp at the bottom of the sign.

328 FemNaziBitch  May 23, 2014 8:43:26am

re: #324 Justanotherhuman

Here’s the skinny on that.

tuition.io

Bottom line? Don’t go back to school with Federal loans (private cos cannot collect from your SS) when you’re reaching retirement age, and don’t co-sign Federal loans for children or grandchildren.

that needs to be Paged

329 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 8:45:06am

re: #326 FemNaziBitch

Are student loans compound or simple interest?

This sorts it out: debtfreeadventure.com

It’s called “Simplified Daily Interest Formula”.

330 Eventual Carrion  May 23, 2014 8:46:20am

re: #315 Backwoods_Sleuth

We have a 1947 Chevy that every once in a while we have to pour in some lead additive to the gas tank.

Knock knock run on

331 Eventual Carrion  May 23, 2014 8:47:02am

re: #317 Slap

What’s up with the dude wearing the down vest and Nikes? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe either were around in ‘55….

From movie “Back to the Future”

332 FemNaziBitch  May 23, 2014 8:47:57am

this site says simple interest

This student loan estimator is from from studentloans.gov.

333 sagehen  May 23, 2014 8:50:10am

re: #248 Killgore Trout

The vox article is about monetary reparations. The NTC article was just a catalog of racial injustice with a click bait headline about reparations to generate pundit buzz. I strongly suspect it was originally written as part of a book or some research project and he just pasted an outrageous headline on it and posted it as an article. Look at the end of his article. There’s no wrap up or conclusion, it just stops. As something to generate buzz it worked but as an article it kind of sucked.

It doesn’t “just stop.” It ends with with a specific big-dollar example, court-certified, that the race-specific robbery he’s complaining about isn’t ancient history, it’s still going on today. This very minute.

334 Dr. Matt  May 23, 2014 8:50:33am

re: #317 Slap

What’s up with the dude wearing the down vest and Nikes? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe either were around in ‘55….

No. You’re wrong. Nikes have been around since 1845.

*snicker*

A rare color photo from the old west shows a cowboy dancing in Nikes:

335 FemNaziBitch  May 23, 2014 8:53:59am

bbl

336 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 8:55:08am

re: #332 FemNaziBitch

this site says simple interest

This student loan estimator is from from studentloans.gov.

See above. If you don’t make payments, the interest still adds up since it’s based on the principal amount you owe. Don’t pay for years? Expect heartburn when you see your loan double.

People can be proactive on these loans, though; there are hardship situations, loan forgiveness if you’re willing to “work it off” in some cases, but not paying one red dime in years means everything adds up to butt hurt later.

I think there should be free universal higher education for those who are willing to study and complete courses with passing grades as required, obtaining a degree in the field they choose.

If you’re just fucking around in school on those loans, stop attending and pay them off.

337 simoom  May 23, 2014 9:13:36am

[Edit: Re-worded slightly. I initially thought this article was new, but it’s actually from December.]

When the Guardian’s Alan Rusbridger testified before Parliament last December he actually publicly gave a concrete number for how many British classified documents were leaked by Snowden:

bbc.com

“We have published I think 26 documents so far out of the 58,000 we’ve seen,” he said.

This perfectly aligns with what’s been previously reported about the stolen British subset of Snowden document trove:

bbc.co.uk

Today we have learnt a little more about the electronic files seized from David Miranda - but a lot more about why the UK authorities are so concerned about it.

There are 58,000 documents, many marked “Secret” and “Top Secret”.

independent.co.uk

Information about the project was contained in 50,000 GCHQ documents that Mr Snowden downloaded during 2012. Many of them came from an internal Wikipedia-style information site called GC-Wiki. Unlike the public Wikipedia, GCHQ’s wiki was generally classified Top Secret or above.

According to Greenwald the 58K British files were just a “small subset” of the the overall leak:

buzzfeed.com

Only Laura and I have access to the full set of documents which Snowden provided to journalists.

…

As the Guardian reported, the New York Times and ProPublica have only the portion of the archive relating to GCHQ. That is a small subset of the documents.

[The Washington Post’s] Bart Gellman also has only a small subset of the documents, though the number is substantial and relate to NSA.

338 Bulworth  May 23, 2014 9:16:00am

Yeah, student loans.

I spent a buncha years in grad school (doesn’t mah spelling show it??), deferring loans, several years “working on my dissertation”. A few years ago I finally admitted the inevitable and incontrovertable, and let myself “time out” out of my doctoral program.

Now I’m finally paying them back. Along with paying for the best healthcare in the world for my kittehs other debt.

Fortunately, I make good $$ in a relatively secure job

339 thedopefishlives  May 23, 2014 9:16:24am

re: #337 simoom

Jesus H. F—-ing Christ. That’s not a leak, that’s a nightmare. Or, to use one of my favorite phrases, “It’s not an accident waiting to happen; it’s a disaster trying to happen.”

340 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 9:23:24am

re: #339 thedopefishlives

Jesus H. F—-ing Christ. That’s not a leak, that’s a nightmare. Or, to use one of my favorite phrases, “It’s not an accident waiting to happen; it’s a disaster trying to happen.”

And I don’t find it suprising that both Godwald (and his mule) and Poitras wound up in Moscow. Probably all European countries have an extradition treaty with the UK, and I don’t think the UK would hesitate to pick them up.

en.wikipedia.org

341 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 9:25:51am

re: #340 Justanotherhuman

And I don’t find it suprising that both Godwald (and his mule) and Poitras wound up in Moscow. Probably all European countries have an extradition treaty with the UK, and I don’t think the UK would hesitate to pick them up.

en.wikipedia.org

ETA: It surprises me that Britain hasn’t already issued warrants since Germany is a member of the EU. But they may simply be biding their time and building evidence.

I think GG & Co absolutely loves flaunting their criminality in front of the world, though, and meeting in Russia just gave it extra hot sauce.

342 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 9:28:35am

Source: Donald Sterling gives control of Los Angeles Clippers to wife Shelly Sterling to negotiate forced sale of team with the NBA - @ramonashelburne, @NBCNews
End of alert

343 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 9:31:41am

Look how Godwald distorts Kinsley review of his godawful book. Kinsley said the govt should decide which of its own documents to publish, and when. And there is legislation written which outlines a time frame for all of them.

344 Bulworth  May 23, 2014 9:34:01am

Justanotherhuman

‘Journalist’ Argues In NY Times That Publishing Decisions Should Ultimately Be Made By Government, by

I don’t think the government should be in the business of passing legislation or judging cases or settling legal disputes, or executing or administering the law either. So it all makes sense. //

345 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2014 9:34:41am

re: #343 Justanotherhuman

Look how Godwald distorts Kinsley review of his godawful book. Kinsley said the govt should decide which of its own documents to publish, and when. And there is legislation written which outlines a time frame for all of them.

[Embedded content]

‘Journalist’. How dare Kinsley! As if Harvard degrees, being a Rhodes Scholar and having decades of experience as an actual journalist mean anything.

346 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 9:35:25am

re: #343 Justanotherhuman

Look how Godwald distorts Kinsley review of his godawful book. Kinsley said the govt should decide which of its own documents to publish, and when. And there is legislation written which outlines a time frame for all of them.

[Embedded content]

And the comments sound straight out of a white supremacist site with their violent images, aggressive tone and absolute certainty.

347 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 9:36:30am

re: #344 Bulworth

Justanotherhuman

I don’t think the government should be in the business of passing legislation or judging cases or settling legal disputes, or executing or administering the law either. So it all makes sense. //

Anarchist!

348 Bulworth  May 23, 2014 9:37:23am

Kinsley’s obviously just another authoritarian, croc-wearing lickspickle.

349 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2014 9:39:46am

re: #348 Bulworth

Kinsley’s obviously just another authoritarian, croc-wearing lickspickle.

heh, from Kinsley’s wiki page:

On July 12, 2006 Kinsley underwent a form of surgery known as deep brain stimulation, to treat his Parkinson’s Disease. Initial reports suggest that the operation was a success. According to a joke reference in Time, Kinsley’s first words out of the operating room were, “Well, of course, when you cut taxes, government revenues go up. Why couldn’t I see that before?”

350 Gus  May 23, 2014 9:44:43am
351 wrenchwench  May 23, 2014 9:49:17am

re: #350 Gus

Of course.

It wasn’t his death they were worried about.

352 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2014 9:52:32am
353 Dr. Matt  May 23, 2014 9:57:05am

It’s quite amusing when GG refers to a journalist as ‘journalist’ (with misuse of apostrophes).

354 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 10:03:06am

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh, from Kinsley’s wiki page:

That was an “editor’s note”: “Editor’s note: Kinsley’s surgery took place on July 12 and went fine. His first words were, “Well, of course, when you cut taxes, government revenues go up. Why couldn’t I see that before?”

content.time.com

355 Bulworth  May 23, 2014 10:04:53am

Gus

Glenn Greenwald seems more concerned with a review of his book than Wikileaks revealing information he was convinced would cause deaths.
— Jeremy Duns (

As are we all. //

356 Gus  May 23, 2014 10:05:09am
357 Single-handed sailor  May 23, 2014 10:05:21am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

So much for being able to grow high grade sinsemilla in KY with all that hemp pollen floating around the state.

358 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 10:05:33am
359 Rightwingconspirator  May 23, 2014 10:06:47am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

Much to the consternation of DEA… Insert tiny violin

360 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 10:07:35am

re: #358 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

I wonder if she went to court and got herself designated as a conservator, thereby keeping her own iron grip on the proceeds?

361 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 10:08:10am

re: #357 Single-handed sailor

So much for being able to grow high grade sinsemilla in KY with all that hemp pollen floating around the state.

Hydroponics…

362 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 10:09:06am

Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon says he will veto bill that would divert taxpayer money away from public schools to private schools - @kfvsnews
Read more on kfvs12.com

363 Dr. Matt  May 23, 2014 10:10:15am

re: #356 Gus

“Journalist” uses 2nd party org. that he’s a board member of to attack Kinsley’s book review. t.co
— Gus (@Gus_802) May 23, 2014

See, now that’s proper punctuation Gus, you get a smiley sticker on your tweet and a watermelon candy.

364 Gus  May 23, 2014 10:11:27am

re: #363 Dr. Matt

See, now that’s proper punctuation Gus, you get a smiley sticker on your tweet and a watermelon candy.

Thank you.

365 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2014 10:12:15am

re: #357 Single-handed sailor

So much for being able to grow high grade sinsemilla in KY with all that hemp pollen floating around the state.

pollen that might make my hay fever more tolerable!

366 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 10:14:03am

Where did KT disappear to?

Three arrested, others detained in drugs, weapons bust

katu.com

(snip)

“Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office investigators and the Portland Police Special Emergency Reaction Team (SERT) severed [sic] search warrants at two neighboring homes, located at 8233 and 8234 E. Burnside Street, at around 4:30 a.m., according to sheriff’s office spokesman Lt. Steve Alexander.

“KATU’s Stephen Mayer reported investigators seized methamphetamine and 66 marijuana plants, along with several guns. Three people were arrested.

“The ongoing investigation, named Operation White Christmas by police, began in December, 2013. Authorities are targeting white supremacist gang members and others accused of drug and gun trafficking.” More

367 wrenchwench  May 23, 2014 10:15:42am

re: #363 Dr. Matt

See, now that’s proper punctuation Gus, you get a smiley sticker on your tweet and a watermelon candy.

I hate watermelon candy. But I love Watermelon Man.

Youtube Video

368 Kragar  May 23, 2014 10:18:31am

re: #367 wrenchwench

I hate watermelon candy. But I love Watermelon Man.

[Embedded content]

Video

MST3k Watermelon Man

Youtube Video

369 darthstar  May 23, 2014 10:23:42am

Copy cat

370 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2014 10:24:14am

Meanwhile, in Guadalajara:
The Prozac Tree

371 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 10:25:32am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

They are going to need some water.

Feds won’t allow water for pot growers

WASHINGTON — Delivering a major blow to state-licensed pot growers in Washington state and Colorado, the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation said today it will not allow any federally-controlled water to be used on marijuana crops.

“As a federal agency, Reclamation is obligated to adhere to federal law in the conduct of its responsibilities to the American people,” said Dan DuBray, the agency’s chief of public affairs.

The decision could hit particularly hard in Washington state, with the federal agency controlling the water supply for two-thirds of Washington state’s irrigated land.

Growers in Colorado will be less affected because the state allows only indoor pot farms.

The ruling makes clear that the Obama administration is willing to set limits on the states’ legalization experiments, even though the Justice Department said in August that it would not block their plans to tax and sell the drug.

372 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 10:26:49am

Kentucky is probably ok.

373 Kragar  May 23, 2014 10:27:18am

re: #372 NJDhockeyfan

Kentucky is probably ok.

They’re not even close to each other.
/

374 Rightwingconspirator  May 23, 2014 10:27:31am

re: #371 NJDhockeyfan

The can’t spare it, the NSA gets it all cooling servers.
/////////////!

375 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2014 10:29:06am

re: #372 NJDhockeyfan

Kentucky is probably ok.

We are indeed!

376 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2014 10:29:58am

The hemp seeds are actually going to the ag universities here.

377 NJDhockeyfan  May 23, 2014 10:31:05am
378 Killgore Trout  May 23, 2014 10:31:53am

re: #366 Justanotherhuman

Where did KT disappear to?

Three arrested, others detained in drugs, weapons bust

katu.com

(snip)

“Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office investigators and the Portland Police Special Emergency Reaction Team (SERT) severed [sic] search warrants at two neighboring homes, located at 8233 and 8234 E. Burnside Street, at around 4:30 a.m., according to sheriff’s office spokesman Lt. Steve Alexander.

“KATU’s Stephen Mayer reported investigators seized methamphetamine and 66 marijuana plants, along with several guns. Three people were arrested.

“The ongoing investigation, named Operation White Christmas by police, began in December, 2013. Authorities are targeting white supremacist gang members and others accused of drug and gun trafficking.” More

Not me.

379 Rightwingconspirator  May 23, 2014 10:33:24am

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well hey if the Feds want to argue just call in this bad boy…
It’s time to water my plants

380 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2014 10:34:21am

re: #378 Killgore Trout

hey, you! I was going through some old photos on my hard drive and found these I took many years ago.
Frog on the kitchen door screen

Frog in the cats’ waterbowl

381 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2014 10:34:56am

It might have been a toad…

382 Romantic Heretic  May 23, 2014 10:36:08am

re: #347 Justanotherhuman

Anarchist! Libertarian.

FTFY.

383 Justanotherhuman  May 23, 2014 10:38:24am

re: #378 Killgore Trout

Not me.

Didn’t think it was you. It’s just Portland.

They look nice. ///

kgw.com

384 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2014 10:39:35am

Rebranding!

Conservative Midland woman funds “Abortion Barbie” posters in Hollywood

SAN ANTONIO — A poster depicting Democratic gubernatorial candidate Wendy Davis as “Abortion Barbie” was unveiled in Los Angeles on Thursday in advance of her Hollywood fundraiser and bankrolled by a conservative Midland woman.
Kathryn Stuard told the San Antonio Express-News she donated an undisclosed amount to conservative street artist “Sabo” to create the posters, which portray Davis’ face over a semi-naked Barbie doll with an exposed fetus in the womb.

Mattel will not be pleased.

385 Killgore Trout  May 23, 2014 10:41:10am

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

hey, you! I was going through some old photos on my hard drive and found these I took many years ago.
Frog on the kitchen door screen

[Embedded image]Frog in the cats’ waterbowl

nice!

386 Dr Lizardo  May 23, 2014 10:43:33am

re: #383 Justanotherhuman

Didn’t think it was you. It’s just Portland.

They look nice. ///

kgw.com

Gypsy Jokers.

387 Decatur Deb  May 23, 2014 10:47:05am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

My problem with self check out is if you’re buying things without bar codes (fresh produce) then it’s a huge pain in the ass looking up each item and clicking through all the screens.

My problem with self check-out is that I want a salary and benefits if I’m supposed to work for the fukn’ store. Hire a damn human.

388 Slap  May 23, 2014 2:42:49pm

re: #383 Justanotherhuman

Not that I have any experience with these things (go ahead, get out the shovels….) — but those look like some half-assed plants. Three leaves? They give weedgrowers a bad name, I tell ya! Nobody takes pride in their work these days! (Must be the meth….)

389 wheat-dogghazi  May 23, 2014 6:18:29pm

re: #317 Slap

What’s up with the dude wearing the down vest and Nikes? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe either were around in ‘55….

That’s Marty McFly on his hoverboard. You’ve not seen the Back to the Future movies?


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