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Dr. Ben Carson, Birther: “From Where Were You (Obama) Applying” To Columbia?

Or, “Ben Carson Goes Birther”
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In this interview with Alan Colmes from earlier this week, Dr. Ben Carson does the birther two step, saying that while he does believe President Obama was born in Hawaii, it is also reasonable for people to be suspicious about his background. To support his argument, he brings up the old canard about his college records:

Colmes: For example, I never heard of a president before questioned about his birth certificate, being treated as if he was a foreign, “not one of us,” “he’s a secret Muslim;” doesn’t that arise out of some sort of soft bigotry?

Carson: Well, I would say that the best way to put that to rest is expose everything, including your academic records. Let us know, you know, where did you apply - when you applied to Columbia, from where were you applying?

Colmes: - at Occidental. But he’s released both versions of a birth certificate, and that wasn’t even enough for those who kept criticizing him for not releasing the information. They said, “that’s not real.” They continue to say it wasn’t real.

Carson: But don’t you think, and try to be totally objective in answering this question -

Colmes: Okay

Carson: Don’t you think it is reasonable for people who are seeking public office, or are in public office, to allow people to see what they’re getting, and to expose their past records?

Colmes: (overlap) No that’s fair. What you said is fair, but you just said a few moments ago, would you have the same reaction were it a white person versus a black person, no white president has ever been asked to produce a birth certificate.

Carson: But has there been anybody else who has had a shroud of secrecy around their records like this?

Colmes: Do you have any question about whether he was born in this country?

Carson: I do have questions about where he applied from, when he applied to Columbia.

Colmes: But do you have any questions about whether he was born in the United States?

Carson: That has not been an issue for me.

Colmes: So you know he was born in Hawaii?

Carson: I accept that that’s the case.

Colmes: So what I’m saying is that the birther movement, questioning whether the president was even born here, saying he’s really a Kenyan, he’s really an African, and he’s not even a Christian, he’s really a Muslim, a white president never had to go through that.

Carson: I don’t think that it is racially motivated. I do think that people want to know, because, you know, be objective, you have somebody whose name is Barack Hussein Obama -

Colmes: Right.

Carson: - there is secrecy about some of his records, there’s something that’s been written in the past which I’m sure you’re familiar with that says he was born somewhere else -

Colmes: Do you believe that?

Carson: I don’t believe that’s true, no, but what I’m saying is that there is reason that some people might be suspicious. I’m not one of them.

He cites Obama’s full name as a reason somebody might be suspicious.

Really?

More to the point, hover, what Carson does not mention (and Colmes really should have mentioned), is that there was never any credible reason to suspect Obama was born anywhere outside the United States in the first place, and that “something that’s been written in the past” he refers to was his literary bio, “exposed” by Breitbart.com during their famous/infamous “The Vetting” series in 2012 that was explained as a fact checking error. This is what makes birtherism so incredibly stupid!

Colmes said that Carson didn’t go birther on him, but he did.

More: More Ben Carson: ‘Some People Might Be Suspicious’ of Barack Obama

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276 comments

1 Bulworth  May 25, 2014 11:58:33am

Carson: Don’t you think it is reasonable for people who are seeking public office, or are in public office, to allow people to see what they’re getting, and to expose their past records?

Like Romney’s tax records…did he ever release those?

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2 Zamb  May 25, 2014 12:51:13pm
Carson: But has there been anybody else who has had a shroud of secrecy around their records like this?

No, because they didn’t ask all the white guys all these fucking insane questions. You can’t have all these crazy demands and then say you are justified in asking for them because these questions being asked prove there is something there.

3 jaunte  May 25, 2014 2:25:43pm
Carson: I don’t think that it is racially motivated. I do think that people want to know, because, you know, be objective, you have somebody whose name is Barack Hussein Obama…

And in Carson’s version of objectivity, there has never been a white president with such a suspicious name.

4 Mattand  May 25, 2014 2:25:46pm

re: #2 Zamb

No, because they didn’t ask all the white guys all these fucking insane questions. You can’t have all these crazy demands and then say you are justified in asking for them because these questions being asked prove there is something there.

This.

Also, fuck Alan Colmes. The nanosecond you have “questions” about where Obama was born, you’re going birther. Colmes demonstrates once again his Useful Idiot on Fox training.

5 Lidane  May 25, 2014 2:25:58pm

More proof that fancy degrees don’t make you smart.

I don’t care what this guy has done as a neurosurgeon. He’s a fucking moron.

6 jaunte  May 25, 2014 2:27:11pm
7 Mattand  May 25, 2014 2:27:34pm

Also, Ben Carson is the GOP’s wettest dream come true: a black Republican who promotes birtherism.

8 piratedan  May 25, 2014 2:28:59pm

well in short… fuck you Dr. Carson, stay to your specialty good sir and do good deeds there.

9 Targetpractice  May 25, 2014 2:29:14pm

First they demanded a birth certificate, so he produced one. Then they said that wasn’t good enough, they needed the “long form” version. So he’s produced that. But that’s still not good enough, now he has to produce his college records in toto. Because we all know that, if there’s nothing out of the ordinary there, they’ll totally drop the birther business…

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10 aagcobb  May 25, 2014 2:31:18pm

re: #7 Mattand

Also, Ben Carson is the GOP’s wettest dream come true: a black Republican who promotes birtherism.

Compares Obamacare to slavery; has “questions” about Obama’s “mysterious” past. Definitely GOP presidential material!

11 Mattand  May 25, 2014 2:31:24pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

First they demanded a birth certificate, so he produced one. Then they said that wasn’t good enough, they needed the “long form” version. So he’s produced that. But that’s still not good enough, now he has to produce his college records in toto. Because we all know that, if there’s nothing out of the ordinary there, they’ll totally drop the birther business…

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This is why it’s hard for me to watch the conservatives/Republicans here complain about RWNJs. Because they’ve helped create this monster and then run and cry foul when it’s pointed out how fucked up their party is on race.

12 sagehen  May 25, 2014 2:31:44pm

re: #4 Mattand

This.

Also, fuck Alan Colmes. The nanosecond you have “questions” about where Obama was born, you’re going birther. Colmes demonstrates once again his Useful Idiot on Fox training.

My favorite birther poll result was the 6% of Republicans who believed he was born in Hawaii, but weren’t entirely convinced Hawaii was part of the United States.

13 aagcobb  May 25, 2014 2:32:30pm

Another mass shooting. Three dead in S.C.

14 Lidane  May 25, 2014 2:33:05pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

First they demanded a birth certificate, so he produced one. Then they said that wasn’t good enough, they needed the “long form” version. So he’s produced that. But that’s still not good enough, now he has to produce his college records in toto. Because we all know that, if there’s nothing out of the ordinary there, they’ll totally drop the birther business…

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15 b_sharp  May 25, 2014 2:34:02pm

re: #7 Mattand

Also, Ben Carson is the GOP’s wettest dream come true: a black Republican who promotes birtherism.

Please tell me’s not also a creationist.

16 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2014 2:34:35pm

re: #1 Bulworth

Carson: Don’t you think it is reasonable for people who are seeking public office, or are in public office, to allow people to see what they’re getting, and to expose their past records?

Like Romney’s tax records…did he ever release those?

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Like the medical records of John McCain and Sarah Palin?
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17 aagcobb  May 25, 2014 2:35:15pm

re: #15 b_sharp

Please tell me’s not also a creationist.

Check!

18 Lidane  May 25, 2014 2:35:38pm

re: #15 b_sharp

Please tell me’s not also a creationist.

Of course he is. Did you expect anything less?

19 thedopefishlives  May 25, 2014 2:36:18pm

re: #14 Lidane

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20 Targetpractice  May 25, 2014 2:36:27pm

re: #15 b_sharp

Please tell me’s not also a creationist.

If there’s bad craziness prevalent amongst wingnuts, Carson’s totally bought into it. He’s their dream candidate: A black man who’s as batshit insane as they are.

21 Mattand  May 25, 2014 2:38:07pm

re: #15 b_sharp

Please tell me’s not also a creationist.

re: #17 aagcobb

Check!

re: #18 Lidane

Of course he is. Did you expect anything less?

I think we’ve got a leading contender for the 2016 GOP clown car.

It’s really amazing to think of how many lives this guy has saved, despite having such a crackpot view on reality.

22 Targetpractice  May 25, 2014 2:39:18pm

re: #21 Mattand

I think we’ve got a leading contender for the 2016 GOP clown car.

It’s really amazing to think of how many lives this guy has saved, despite having such a crackpot view on reality.

Exhibit A in favor of the argument that being smart and being crazy are not mutually exclusive.

23 Lidane  May 25, 2014 2:39:31pm

re: #19 thedopefishlives

24 Targetpractice  May 25, 2014 2:40:55pm

Now I find myself curious if Carson also would argue that, without photographic proof, he can’t be convinced that OBL is dead?

25 Dr Lizardo  May 25, 2014 2:41:48pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

Now I find myself curious if Carson also would argue that, without photographic proof, he can’t be convinced that OBL is dead?

I wouldn’t be surprised; that’s a common idea among the wingnuts.

26 thecommodore  May 25, 2014 2:42:22pm

re: #20 Targetpractice

If there’s bad craziness prevalent amongst wingnuts, Carson’s totally bought into it. He’s their dream candidate: A black man who’s as batshit insane as they are.

I’m not sure if he’s as batshit insane as they are. I doubt he’s Orly Taitz/Alan Keyes crazy, but he knows that kind of crazy is what will butter his bread, so he says this kind of shit.

27 aagcobb  May 25, 2014 2:42:22pm

re: #20 Targetpractice

If there’s bad craziness prevalent amongst wingnuts, Carson’s totally bought into it. He’s their dream candidate: A black man who’s as batshit insane as they are.

global warming denial? Check!

Whether we are experiencing global warming or a coming ice age, which was predicted in the 1970s, we as responsible human beings must be concerned about our surroundings and what we will pass on to future generations. However, to use climate change as an excuse not to develop our God-given resources makes little sense.

28 thecommodore  May 25, 2014 2:43:05pm

re: #14 Lidane

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ALL HE DID THAT DAY WAS SIGN A PIECE OF PAPER AND THEN GO PLAY GOLF!!!!!11TY

29 freetoken  May 25, 2014 2:45:11pm

Ben Carson is in full pander mode.

An he is pandering to the bottom of the American political barrel.

30 Lidane  May 25, 2014 2:45:22pm

re: #28 thecommodore

ALL HE DID THAT DAY WAS SIGN A PIECE OF PAPER AND THEN GO PLAY GOLF!!!!!11TY

That and joking around at the WHCD while bin Laden was being forcefully introduced to Seal Team Six.

31 Dark_Falcon  May 25, 2014 2:45:47pm

re: #23 Lidane

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Are at least two of the doughnuts glazed?

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32 freetoken  May 25, 2014 2:46:39pm

re: #15 b_sharp

Please tell me’s not also a creationist.

We assume that this is a purely rhetorical question.

33 Charles Johnson  May 25, 2014 2:48:34pm

re: #15 b_sharp

Please tell me’s not also a creationist.

Dr. Ben Carson Thinks the Earth Was Created 6000 Years Ago

34 The War TARDIS  May 25, 2014 2:50:59pm

I have had this thought churning in my head for a little while now. about the Gun Fornicators.

Look at the weapons you constantly see them with. These large semi-Automatics that throw a lot of lead out quickly. I get the feeling most of these clowns can’t shoot for shit. When it comes to shooting, it doesn’t matter how much lead you are putting out, but the accuracy.

Again, let’s look at Simo Hayha. Him and his trusty Mosin-Nagant M38-30, a bolt action rifle without a scope, took down between 500-550 people. And these where trained Soviet troops, not a much of uninitelligent troglodytes with a severe inadequacy problem.

Yes, I know Hayha also had a some sort of Sub-Machine Gun too, which but his overall record somewhere north of 700, but the point still stands.

These clowns would crap themselves against any well-trained person, though I don’t think we have any American Hayhas.

35 Charles Johnson  May 25, 2014 2:51:12pm
36 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 2:52:56pm

And dedicated GOP apologists are stuck defending the likes of Ben Carson from well-deserved mockery.

Here’s a clue for the apologists: When every attempt to try to spin the current state of the GOP as positive in any way results in defending the idiocy of Ben Carson (or worse), it is time to leave the party or accept that you’re a wing nut defending the party of wing nuts.

37 Kid A  May 25, 2014 2:55:41pm

Da gayz tendonsees made him do do it:

38 A Mom Anon  May 25, 2014 2:55:55pm

re: #34 The War TARDIS

These morons are scared of a made up America, a made up President and made up ooga booga scary things to justify their own bigotry, hate and fear. Of course most of them aren’t trained, these aren’t Navy Seals or Army Rangers we’re talking about here. They feel powerless and scared, they aren’t entirely sure why so they blame some Other. Instead of getting out of their own heads for awhile and doing things to help others or to truly make their communities, their schools, their neighbors lives, better, they choose the chicken shit way out. And the incredibly LAZY way out too.

NO ONE makes good choices when they’re scared or angry. These people are both, which makes them a danger to public health and safety.

39 Skip Intro  May 25, 2014 2:56:38pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

First they demanded a birth certificate, so he produced one. Then they said that wasn’t good enough, they needed the “long form” version. So he’s produced that. But that’s still not good enough, now he has to produce his college records in toto. Because we all know that, if there’s nothing out of the ordinary there, they’ll totally drop the birther business…

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I’ve seen them demand his kindergarten records, Just like they haven’t for all other presidents.

40 thecommodore  May 25, 2014 2:56:47pm

re: #26 thecommodore

I’m not sure if he’s as batshit insane as they are. I doubt he’s Orly Taitz/Alan Keyes crazy, but he knows that kind of crazy is what will butter his bread, so he says this kind of shit.

I’ll take back my doubt that maybe he isn’t batshit insane:

Carson: VA Scandal a “gift from God.”

Who says that kind of shit unless they’re batshit insane?

mediaite.com

41 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2014 2:57:54pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

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Yes, you too can survive a nuclear war!

I actually own two copies of this book.
What a freakin’ joke…

42 b_sharp  May 25, 2014 2:58:03pm

re: #18 Lidane

Of course he is. Did you expect anything less?

Of course.
It must be in their breakfast cereal.

43 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 2:58:20pm

Putin’s lackeys and shills have told us that the Ukraine is full of those scary fascists.

Well, according to a couple of exit polls, Vadim Rabinovich got more votes (1.9%/2.1%) than ultranationalists (fascists) Tyahnibok (1.3%/1.3%) and Yarosh (0.9%/1.1%):

censor.net.ua

44 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 2:59:33pm

re: #34 The War TARDIS

Speaking of guns, this is a repost from a dead thread relating to your thought about going to the police and seeking a 5-10 year gun ban for yourself.

Get professional help NOW. This is very disordered thinking.

Your stated issue is difficulty with dating, not a hunting trip or target shooting. Thus guns are completely and fundamentally irrelevant unless you are contemplating a suicide or murder-suicide scenario. You need to get that toxic shit out of your head.

5-10 years is a self-imposed deadline that is setting yourself up for failure. The anxiety induced by the deadline won’t help with dating issues, and what excuse is there for some drastic action when the deadline expires?

45 Skip Intro  May 25, 2014 2:59:35pm

re: #15 b_sharp

Please tell me’s not also a creationist.

Ben Carson’s creationist views spark controvery over commencement speech

An unusual controversy has erupted at Emory University over the choice of famed neurosurgeon Ben Carson to deliver this year’s commencement address because he does not believe in evolution.

washingtonpost.com

46 thedopefishlives  May 25, 2014 2:59:53pm

re: #43 Sergey Romanov

Putin’s lackeys and shills have told us that the Ukraine is full of those scary fascists.

Well, according to a couple of exit polls, Vadim Rabinovich got more votes (1.9%/2.1%) than ultranationalists (fascsists) Tyahnibok (1.3%/1.3%) and Yarosh (0.9%/1.1%):

censor.net.ua

Speaking of Comrade Putin, I enjoyed today’s Cracked article that seemed to bring our favorite villain a bit more down to earth, as opposed to the great supervillain pedestal that Killgore would have us put him on.

47 Eclectic Cyborg  May 25, 2014 2:59:55pm

re: #19 thedopefishlives

It doesn’t mention the birth certificate, but I’ve always liked this one:

Edit: DAMN, I see someone beat me to it. :P

48 b_sharp  May 25, 2014 3:01:19pm

I hate to insult our religious lizards, but I’m starting to think creationism should be an instant disqualifier for political positions.

49 Targetpractice  May 25, 2014 3:02:07pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes, you too can survive a nuclear war!

I actually own two copies of this book.
What a freakin’ joke…

Still always gets me how, even into the 1980s, people were convinced that you could “win” a nuclear war.

50 Eclectic Cyborg  May 25, 2014 3:02:37pm

re: #48 b_sharp

I hate to insult our religious lizards, but I’m starting to think creationism should be an instant disqualifier for political positions.

Are you referring to the young earth or old earth variety?

51 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 3:02:45pm

re: #48 b_sharp

I hate to insult our religious lizards, but I’m starting to think creationism should be an instant disqualifier for political positions.

Where by creationism we understand religious anti-evolutionism, so I don’t think our religious lizards need to be insulted, since there is no necessary contradiction between religion and evolution.

52 Skip Intro  May 25, 2014 3:02:46pm

re: #37 Kid A

Da gayz tendonsees made him do do it:

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Fox “News” suggests becomes some bloggers Fox “News” reports which then gets picked up as a story by Fox “News” as “other people are reporting….”

It runs like a fine old watch.

53 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 3:03:04pm

re: #48 b_sharp

I hate to insult our religious lizards, but I’m starting to think creationism should be an instant disqualifier for political positions.

This certainly makes sense for young earth creationists. Frankly, I’d like to see YEC added to the DSM.

54 Kid A  May 25, 2014 3:04:05pm

Hurr Hurr. Da blackz should be happy they were brought here in slave ships. Be happy, darkies!!!
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55 Lidane  May 25, 2014 3:04:25pm

re: #42 b_sharp

Of course.
It must be in their breakfast cereal.

Feature, not a bug. Being a Republican these days requires either signing on to or defending:

Young Earth Creationism, AGW denial, no campaign finance laws, Voter ID for everyone except white people, mass deportations, sniper towers and land mines at the border, personhood amendments, open carry and/or non-existent gun laws, rape laws that punish women instead of their rapists, personhood amendments, laws that criminalize miscarriage, forced ultrasounds, no UI benefits, no minimum wage, no child labor laws, the economic incoherence of wanting no taxes and a higher defense budget, Agenda 21 scaremongering and BENGHAZI.

That’s not even an exhaustive list. I probably missed something.

56 Eclectic Cyborg  May 25, 2014 3:04:52pm

re: #54 Kid A

Hurr Hurr. Da blackz should be happy they were brought here in slave ships. Be happy, darkies!!!
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That’s not a dog whistle, it’s an air raid siren.

57 A Mom Anon  May 25, 2014 3:05:12pm

re: #48 b_sharp

Yeah, I don’t have a problem with people believing whatever they want. But when it comes to governing, people are just too emotional about their beliefs to leave them out of the processes governance requires. Hence the giant and hugely successful push to dumb down and demonize (heh) the public school system and teachers as well as universities and professors. There’s too much at stake here. If you want to run something and be a creationist, get yourself ordained or create a church, nothing’s stopping you.

58 Skip Intro  May 25, 2014 3:05:12pm

re: #48 b_sharp

I hate to insult our religious lizards, but I’m starting to think creationism should be an instant disqualifier for political positions.

It is for me, but since it’s always the Republicans spouting it, my vote has never been affected.

59 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 3:05:19pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

Still always gets me how, even into the 1980s, people were convinced that you could “win” a nuclear war.

I still remember a Scientific American article from that era that considered the pleasant scenario of an all out nuclear exchange where the Soviets targeted civilian nuclear reactions in the US.

60 Eclectic Cyborg  May 25, 2014 3:05:41pm

re: #55 Lidane

Feature, not a bug. Being a Republican these days requires either signing on to or defending:

Young Earth Creationism, AGW denial, no campaign finance laws, Voter ID for everyone except white people, mass deportations, sniper towers and land mines at the border, personhood amendments, open carry and/or non-existent gun laws, rape laws that punish women instead of their rapists, personhood amendments, laws that criminalize miscarriage, forced ultrasounds, no UI benefits, no minimum wage, no child labor laws, the economic incoherence of wanting no taxes and a higher defense budget, Agenda 21 scaremongering and BENGHAZI.

That’s not even an exhaustive list. I probably missed something.

Or in other words wanting to create the perfect America for white, white land owning Christians.

61 freetoken  May 25, 2014 3:06:03pm

These people - creationists, birthers, etc. are all running from the modern world. That is the common thread. They don’t like the year 2014.

62 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 3:06:16pm

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

Are you referring to the young earth or old earth variety?

I would say, both. I mean, YECism is “sane” compared to geocentrism, which is “sane” compared to flatearthism, which… well, whatever - they all are crazy.

63 Eclectic Cyborg  May 25, 2014 3:06:30pm

I mean technically Obama is a creationist isn’t he? I mean he identifies as a Christian.

64 Dark_Falcon  May 25, 2014 3:06:44pm

re: #34 The War TARDIS

I have had this thought churning in my head for a little while now. about the Gun Fornicators.

Look at the weapons you constantly see them with. These large semi-Automatics that throw a lot of lead out quickly. I get the feeling most of these clowns can’t shoot for shit. When it comes to shooting, it doesn’t matter how much lead you are putting out, but the accuracy.

Again, let’s look at Simo Hayha. Him and his trusty Mosin-Nagant M38-30, a bolt action rifle without a scope, took down between 500-550 people. And these where trained Soviet troops, not a much of uninitelligent troglodytes with a severe inadequacy problem.

Yes, I know Hayha also had a some sort of Sub-Machine Gun too, which but his overall record somewhere north of 700, but the point still stands.

These clowns would crap themselves against any well-trained person, though I don’t think we have any American Hayhas.

We’ve had some some phenomenal snipers of our own, and most of the Soviet troops Hayha faced were poorly trained and badly led. So your point is decent, but it needs to include some things.

BTW, Hayha carried a Suomi KP-31 SMG, a weapon that lasted for decades in Finnish service and whose 71-round drum was copied by the Soviet Union’s PPD-40 PPSh-41 SMGs.

65 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 3:07:10pm

re: #63 Eclectic Cyborg

I mean technically Obama is a creationist isn’t he? I mean he identifies as a Christian.

No, he accepts evolution.

66 Eclectic Cyborg  May 25, 2014 3:07:19pm

re: #62 Sergey Romanov

I would say, both. I mean, YECism is “sane” compared to geocentrism, which is “sane” compared to flatearthism, which… well, whatever - they all are crazy.

Well for the record, I’m an OEC, but I certainly would it ram it down people’s throats on a political campaign.

67 Eclectic Cyborg  May 25, 2014 3:07:38pm

re: #65 Sergey Romanov

No, he accepts evolution.

Ah, I was not aware of that.

68 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2014 3:07:48pm

re: #34 The War TARDIS

You really need to get a hobby/interest beside the ones that involve dwell on massive killing and genocide.
I’ve posted loads of links to amazing Islamic art and literature over a long time here. You never acknowledge any of them.
Why is that?

69 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 3:09:11pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

Ah, I was not aware of that.

Merely believing that God created the World and gave an impetus to the life on Earth does not a creationist make.

70 Dr Lizardo  May 25, 2014 3:09:24pm

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

Or in other words wanting to create the perfect America for white, white land owning Christians.

I’m sure the wingnuts fervently wish that Uncle Ruckus was a significant voting demographic.

71 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 3:09:29pm

re: #66 Eclectic Cyborg

Well for the record, I’m an OEC, but I certainly would it ram it down people’s throats on a political campaign.

So why do you dismiss the evidence for evolution?

72 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 3:09:36pm

re: #66 Eclectic Cyborg

Well for the record, I’m an OEC, but I certainly would it ram it down people’s throats on a political campaign.

I think the most useful definition is an operational one. Politically, a “creationist” is one who wants to subvert the teaching of evolution in public schools and introduce creationist dogma as a substitute. Of course this includes the ID and “teach the controversy” crowd.

73 Targetpractice  May 25, 2014 3:09:36pm

re: #59 EPR-radar

I still remember a Scientific American article from that era that considered the pleasant scenario of an all out nuclear exchange where the Soviets targeted civilian nuclear reactions in the US.

Just a limited nuclear exchange would pretty well reduce any affected countries to third-world nations for at least a generation. Not to mention the likely high altitude bursts intended to wash the US and USSR in EMPs, which would have knocked us back to the proverbial Stone Age.

74 Lidane  May 25, 2014 3:10:37pm

You may not like it, Dark, but that list is what the GOP stands for these days. It’s what they run on. And it’s what you defend when you take their side.

75 aagcobb  May 25, 2014 3:10:48pm

re: #63 Eclectic Cyborg

I mean technically Obama is a creationist isn’t he? I mean he identifies as a Christian.

There are plenty of Christians who accept the scientific evidence for evolution.

76 Kid A  May 25, 2014 3:11:08pm

So when did Dr. Carson become a legitimate contender for the GOP again?

77 Dark_Falcon  May 25, 2014 3:11:19pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes, you too can survive a nuclear war!

I actually own two copies of this book.
What a freakin’ joke…

Written by Robert Scheer, you’d expect it to be a joke. Happily, it turned out that Ronald Reagan was far smarter and both he and George Bush the Elder better at planning than doomsayers like Scheer thought.

78 Blue Fielder  May 25, 2014 3:11:43pm

He really does exist solely so he can echo whatever the wingnut sentiment is, usually somewhere visible to wingnuts who can point at him and say SEE EVEN ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE SAYS TEH DHIMMICRATZ IS WRONG!!11!1, doesn’t he?

I hope one of them accidentally lets slip what they really think of him. I doubt it’ll do much to change his porous little brain, but still.

79 freetoken  May 25, 2014 3:12:08pm

re: #76 Kid A

So when did Dr. Carson become a legitimate contender for the GOP again?

When Marco Rubio drank water on camera.

80 Blue Fielder  May 25, 2014 3:12:47pm

re: #76 Kid A

So when did Dr. Carson become a legitimate contender for the GOP again?

The moment they realized he was self-hating enough to be black and a Repub.

81 Lidane  May 25, 2014 3:13:13pm

re: #79 freetoken

When Marco Rubio drank water on camera.

And when Rubio came out in favor of immigration reform.

Once Rubio became the amnesty candidate, Carson became the favorite.

82 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 3:13:14pm

re: #78 Blue Fielder

He really does exist solely so he can echo whatever the wingnut sentiment is, usually somewhere visible to wingnuts who can point at him and say SEE EVEN ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE SAYS TEH DHIMMICRATZ IS WRONG!!11!1, doesn’t he?

I hope one of them accidentally lets slip what they really think of him. I doubt it’ll do much to change his porous little brain, but still.

I’m sure copious application of folding green sincerity will suffice to smooth everything over, should something regrettable like that occur.

83 A Mom Anon  May 25, 2014 3:13:26pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

This might be a reason he’s having trouble in the dating world. Women mostly have a 6th sense so to speak about this sort of thing and we run like hell from it. And surely there are plenty of other things to do in this big world for a young person with a whole world and life ahead of them. Help at the animal shelter, teach literacy to kids or immigrants, help clean up the park, SOMETHING, to get out of his own head.

I wish he’d go seek help from a trained professional. Someone who understands Asperger’s and abusive family dynamics.

84 freetoken  May 25, 2014 3:14:07pm

Ben Carson is the GOP’s “black friend”.

85 aagcobb  May 25, 2014 3:14:36pm

re: #76 Kid A

So when did Dr. Carson become a legitimate contender for the GOP again?

When he criticized the ACA at the national prayer breakfast in front of the President.

86 Targetpractice  May 25, 2014 3:15:02pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

Written by Robert Scheer, you’d expect it to be a joke. Happily, it turned out that Ronald Reagan was far smarter and both he and George Bush the Elder better at planning than doomsayers like Scheer thought.

Reagan got lucky that a reformer and not another hardliner replaced Andropov.

87 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 3:15:31pm

re: #84 freetoken

Ben Carson is the GOP’s “black friend”.

Black friend —- Fetusinajar, the 2016 GOP dream ticket.

88 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 3:16:21pm
89 Kid A  May 25, 2014 3:17:00pm

re: #74 Lidane

Bingo. And if you even for one second question any of the actions or motives of a single Republican you are outcast. Just ask David Frum. Or better yet, look at the Fixed coverage of the 2012 election. All their tools were predicting a Romney landslide, even the “smart and logical” ones like Krauthammer. Not a single soul dared to question the idiocy of St. Toad saying Romney would win Pennsylvania by double digits (BY DOUBLE DIGITS!!!!!!).

90 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 3:17:48pm

re: #83 A Mom Anon

This might be a reason he’s having trouble in the dating world. Women mostly have a 6th sense so to speak about this sort of thing and we run like hell from it. And surely there are plenty of other things to do in this big world for a young person with a whole world and life ahead of them. Help at the animal shelter, teach literacy to kids or immigrants, help clean up the park, SOMETHING, to get out of his own head.

I wish he’d go seek help from a trained professional. Someone who understands Asperger’s and abusive family dynamics.

Agreed. Furthermore, that nuttiness about going to the cops to self-limit access to guns is a big red flag.

91 Aqua Obama  May 25, 2014 3:17:59pm

Surprised no one here is talking about the EU elections here, since the UKIP and Front National are pure Breitbart… and winning a majority of votes in their respective countries.

92 Aqua Obama  May 25, 2014 3:19:34pm

The FPO got 20% in Austria and an actual Nazi won in Germany.

93 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 3:20:47pm

re: #92 Aqua Obama

That happens from time to time. Not sure it’s a trend, hopefully just normal oscillations.

94 Aqua Obama  May 25, 2014 3:22:20pm

Sergey!

95 Bulworth  May 25, 2014 3:22:21pm

re: #80 Blue Fielder

The moment they realized he was self-hating enough to be black and a Repub.

And arrogant. Try running for governor or senator or something before running for prez.

96 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 3:22:38pm

re: #94 Aqua Obama

Hi.

97 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 3:23:09pm

re: #92 Aqua Obama

The FPO got 20% in Austria and an actual Nazi won in Germany.

The rise of the far right in Europe is sadly unsurprising, given the EU debt situation compounded by the great recession. Let’s hope EU institutions can deal with these issues before fascists etc. start winning majorities.

So far it’s not looking good. Austerity + no consequences for bank malfeasance is a recipe for a repeat of the 1920s and 1930s.

98 Kid A  May 25, 2014 3:23:26pm

With our (Texas) special elections coming up, I’ll share this quick story:

In Texas, our Republicans take the derp to new heights. Heights I thought were impossible to achieve. We have a special derp master running for Lt. Governor by the name of Dan Patrick. To say he’s a pandering, soulless asshole would be too kind. Anyway, back in March, near the polling place I live a block from, I’m slowly driving by it and there’s the stereotypical Texan holding a Patrick placard. I beep twice at him and yell “BOO! Dan Patrick sucks!” He responds with two birds. Made my freaking year, and there were nine months to go at the time.

99 Aqua Obama  May 25, 2014 3:24:01pm

The Democrats are winning something like 40% in Italy, highest result for the left-wing in Italy in like forever.

100 Lidane  May 25, 2014 3:24:31pm

re: #95 Bulworth

And arrogant. Try running for governor or senator or something before running for prez.

Shit, run for mayor or a state office first. Prove you can get elected somewhere.

101 Dr Lizardo  May 25, 2014 3:24:53pm

re: #93 Sergey Romanov

That happens from time to time. Not sure it’s a trend, hopefully just normal oscillations.

In the UK, UKIP is a protest party - particularly for those disenchanted with the Tories. And EU elections aren’t the same as national elections, where these parties usually don’t perform all that well.

There are exceptions of course; Hungary’s Jobbik does pretty well at home, and there are some far-right parties in Slovakia that do well also. FN of France has been re-branding themselves.

102 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 3:28:46pm

re: #101 Dr Lizardo

Well, I mean, let’s take FPÖ. They’ve already risen to the power there once, then sunk again. It may rise again and sink again, it’s not pleasant but I wouldn’t panic just yet.

103 b_sharp  May 25, 2014 3:29:36pm

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

Are you referring to the young earth or old earth variety?

I’ll go with YEC, because they seem to be loonie.

104 The War TARDIS  May 25, 2014 3:31:01pm

re: #44 EPR-radar

It’s more of the fact I don’t trust myself. I tend to judge myself very harshly. To the point where this quote from Doctor Who applies.

“There’s only one person in the universe who hates me as much as you do….”

105 b_sharp  May 25, 2014 3:31:11pm

I’m arguing with a climate change denier on Twitter.
He’s becoming quite frustrated.
I’m laughing.

106 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 3:31:16pm

re: #103 b_sharp

I’ll go with YEC, because they seem to be loonie.

According to any sensible definition of “delusional”, young earth creationists qualify.

107 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 3:31:26pm

re: #103 b_sharp

I’ll go with YEC, because they seem to be loonie.

OEC is only slightly less so. OK, so they accept the old earth, big deal if they also don’t accept evolution. What’s the point of the old age of Earth then?

108 Dr Lizardo  May 25, 2014 3:32:50pm

re: #102 Sergey Romanov

Well, I mean, let’s take FPÖ. They’ve already risen to the power there once, then sunk again. It may rise again and sink again, it’s not pleasant but I wouldn’t panic just yet.

Exactly.

109 Dave In Austin  May 25, 2014 3:33:38pm

Houston means I’m one step closer to……

Youtube Video

110 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 3:34:34pm

re: #107 Sergey Romanov

OEC is only slightly less so. OK, so they accept the old earth, big deal if they also don’t accept evolution. What’s the point of the old age of Earth then?

An OEC who just thinks God tweaks things a bit from time to time is not nearly as floridly insane as a young earth creationist that insists on a literal Adam and Eve etc. etc.

It’s the difference between denying all of biology (OEC) and all of science (YEC).

111 freetoken  May 25, 2014 3:34:41pm

re: #108 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, but the paleo-right in this country will be crowing about how these elections vindicate them, for some strange reason.

112 Dr Lizardo  May 25, 2014 3:35:56pm

re: #111 freetoken

Yeah, but the paleo-right in this country will be crowing about how these elections vindicate them, for some strange reason.

That’s true enough. But these elections have on bearing whatsoever on American conservatism.

113 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 3:36:03pm

re: #102 Sergey Romanov

Well, I mean, let’s take FPÖ. They’ve already risen to the power there once, then sunk again. It may rise again and sink again, it’s not pleasant but I wouldn’t panic just yet.

I’m too old to panic. However, I would like to see something better than austerity as the prescription for EU debt issues.

114 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 3:37:06pm
115 BongCrodny  May 25, 2014 3:37:09pm

re: #3 jaunte

And in Carson’s version of objectivity, there has never been a white president with such a suspicious name.

With a name like “Fitzgerald,” we should have more closely examined whether Kennedy was really born in Ireland.

116 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2014 3:37:52pm

re: #104 The War TARDIS

It’s more of the fact I don’t trust myself. I tend to judge myself very harshly. To the point where this quote from Doctor Who applies.

Why do you always fall back on Dr Who for answers to your life’s problems?

117 A Mom Anon  May 25, 2014 3:38:09pm

re: #90 EPR-radar

Unresolved anger. If there’s an abusive family situation, it’s understandable. What’s not understandable is not seeking help when people have told him again and again that he needs to work on stuff and stop the thinking that just the right girl will “fix” him. Unfair to her, and him. That anger is in the way, it won’t get better til it’s dealt with and put in the proper place and perspective.

I’m not a professional, but I have spent 20 yrs raising a young man with Asperger’s. I’ve known at least 40 young men with the same form of autism over that time. The difference between those who succeed and those who don’t are a willingness to learn from mistakes (which is very hard and needs constant support and reinforcing) , a willingness to not only accept help but seek it out (again with support if need be), and the fortitude to work really hard on anger and social issues. It’s not easy, but it’s not impossible either. No one can help you, nothing gets better until you relent and admit you cannot fix it alone. It’s not weakness, it’s brave and shows remarkable courage to do that.

(and that’s my last word on this. TWT is a grown up, he needs to stop bringing this here and go to those who can help him in real time and not just shove meds in his face. If he doesn’t have a support network, there are resources out there, he just has to plug into the internet and seek that support. If he asks for help with that, I’m sure some of us would be glad to point him in a positive direction. Beyond that, he has to help himself)

118 Dark_Falcon  May 25, 2014 3:41:36pm

re: #104 The War TARDIS

It’s more of the fact I don’t trust myself. I tend to judge myself very harshly. To the point where this quote from Doctor Who applies.

I can be the same way, PLL, but I understand that I sometimes have to give myself a break, and so do you. Otherwise your harshness will compound the problems you are facing.

119 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 3:41:52pm

re: #104 The War TARDIS

It’s more of the fact I don’t trust myself. I tend to judge myself very harshly. To the point where this quote from Doctor Who applies.

I’m sure you’ve heard it before, but self-criticism can easily become irrationally severe. In any case, linking the availability of guns to your personal issues is objectively disordered thinking. There is no rational justification for it.

If you don’t think you should own a gun, great. More people should be realistic about things like this. However, it is 100% on you to simply never purchase one. Of all the things in life that may be difficult, surely one of the easiest is to never go to the gun shop and buy a gun.

120 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 3:42:04pm

re: #110 EPR-radar

An OEC who just thinks God tweaks things a bit from time to time is not nearly as floridly insane as a young earth creationist that insists on a literal Adam and Eve etc. etc.

It’s the difference between denying all of biology (OEC) and all of science (YEC).

It’s not from time to time but constantly. Namely, God was creating all those species one by one, individually (since evolution is dismissed), millions of them for millions of years, and all for what?

YEC is not denial of all science, it’s denial of more science that OEC but less than geocentrism or flat-earthism. So there is a continuum of craziness here, and I don’t see why the cut-off point should be at OEC ;)

121 jaunte  May 25, 2014 3:42:54pm

It’s as simple as that!

122 blueraven  May 25, 2014 3:43:43pm

re: #121 jaunte

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It’s as simple as that!

lolwut?

123 Targetpractice  May 25, 2014 3:43:51pm

re: #121 jaunte

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It’s as simple as that!

So, is the guy next to me with a gun a good guy looking out for everybody or a bad guy looking to use his easily acquired guns to go on a rampage?

124 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 3:44:10pm

I have a deja vu of having had this conversation with dragonfire years ago, about him defining himself as a creationist wrongly, because I think in the end he did accept evolution and was just using the wrong term.

Am I imagining things?

125 jaunte  May 25, 2014 3:45:23pm

re: #122 blueraven

It’s as pure a statement of the “armed society is a polite society” fantasy as I’ve seen today.

126 Killgore Trout  May 25, 2014 3:45:44pm

The Hound (from Game of Thrones) was in Hot Fuzz
Youtube Video
Yarp

127 The War TARDIS  May 25, 2014 3:45:55pm

re: #83 A Mom Anon

Right now, I am not ready for a romantic relationship. I have a tendency to become clingy, constantly fret about what I am doing, be a more than a little paranoid because of social blindness, along with other more minor issues.

128 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 3:48:07pm

re: #120 Sergey Romanov

It’s not from time to time but constantly. Namely, God was creating all those species one by one, individually (since evolution is dismissed), millions of them for millions of years, and all for what?

YEC is not denial of all science, it’s denial of more science that OEC but less than geocentrism or flat-earthism. So there is a continuum of craziness here, and I don’t see why the cut-off point should be at OEC ;)

Part of the problem here is that OEC is not as well-defined as YEC. For example, I believe the Catholic position insists on a divine creation, accepts evolution as the usual way things work, and allows for the possibility of occasional divine tweaking with evolution (but not constantly).

Whether this is OEC or not depends on definitions more than anything else.

129 kirkspencer  May 25, 2014 3:50:56pm

The basic requirement to be a YEC is to say science isn’t believable. It’s not just evolution, it’s radioactive decay and a host of other things. If you’re a YEC you are, in my opinion, an idiot. Idiot savant, perhaps, but idiot.

130 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 3:53:15pm

re: #128 EPR-radar

Part of the problem here is that OEC is not as well-defined as YEC. For example, I believe the Catholic position insists on a divine creation, accepts evolution as the usual way things work, and allows for the possibility of occasional divine tweaking with evolution (but not constantly).

Whether this is OEC or not depends on definitions more than anything else.

Sure, one could define creationism as a belief that God created (at least the Universe). That’s not how it is used nowadays, especially when juxtaposed with YEC (where the difference between the two is the age of Earth). What you’ve just described is usually called theistic evolutionism.

131 jaunte  May 25, 2014 3:53:25pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

So, is the guy next to me with a gun a good guy looking out for everybody or a bad guy looking to use his easily acquired guns to go on a rampage?

Hard to tell, you’d better get the drop on him.

132 BongCrodny  May 25, 2014 3:54:10pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

So, is the guy next to me with a gun a good guy looking out for everybody or a bad guy looking to use his easily acquired guns to go on a rampage?

I better buy two guns just in case.

133 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 3:54:13pm

re: #129 kirkspencer

The basic requirement to be a YEC is to say science isn’t believable. It’s not just evolution, it’s radioactive decay and a host of other things. If you’re a YEC you are, in my opinion, an idiot. Idiot savant, perhaps, but idiot.

Flood geology is perhaps my favorite YEC craziness.

Indeed, this is the concept that geological features that sensible people regard as being the result of millions of years of geological process were all created by the flood of Noah’s ark.

134 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 3:54:22pm

re: #129 kirkspencer

The basic requirement to be a YEC is to say science isn’t believable. It’s not just evolution, it’s radioactive decay and a host of other things. If you’re a YEC you are, in my opinion, an idiot. Idiot savant, perhaps, but idiot.

It’s not much different from OECs, who distort not only biology, but also, say, thermodynamics.

135 The War TARDIS  May 25, 2014 3:55:21pm

And the reason why I would want a block on myself was that it would take it out of my hands. I like that, because I am having stimulation overload these days for thinking about so much stuff all the time. One thing less=less stress.

136 Decatur Deb  May 25, 2014 3:56:22pm

re: #69 Sergey Romanov

Merely believing that God created the World and gave an impetus to the life on Earth does not a creationist make.

We’ve reminded ourselves, every year or so, of the difference of Young Earth and Old Earth creationism. Through religious self-identification OECs default to a large majority of the US population.

137 jaunte  May 25, 2014 3:56:40pm
138 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 3:57:11pm

re: #130 Sergey Romanov

Sure, one could define creationism as a belief that God created (at least the Universe). That’s not how it is used nowadays, especially when juxtaposed with YEC (where the difference between the two is the age of Earth). What you’ve just described is usually called theistic evolutionism.

That’s what I’m getting at. OEC covers various possibilities, including theistic evolution, so it’s not really as well defined a term as YEC. en.wikipedia.org

139 Aqua Obama  May 25, 2014 3:57:13pm

The UK Liberal Democrats were wiped out in their stronghold.

The Front National won a majority of the under-35s, working class. Reminds me of all the poor whites in the US who swear by Alex Jones.

140 Amory Blaine  May 25, 2014 3:58:41pm

The winning political move for democrats is to give this kind of lunacy all the outlets it can muster. “Please proceed” is paying off handsomely. I certainly want to see the democrats on the Benghazi panel asking all the right questions as well.

141 Dr Lizardo  May 25, 2014 3:59:06pm

re: #139 Aqua Obama

The UK Liberal Democrats were wiped out in their stronghold.

The Front National won a majority of the under-35s, working class. Reminds me of all the poor whites in the US who swear by Alex Jones.

Yep.

142 goddamnedfrank  May 25, 2014 4:00:27pm

re: #104 The War TARDIS

It’s more of the fact I don’t trust myself. I tend to judge myself very harshly. To the point where this quote from Doctor Who applies.

You internalize a ton of external bullshit and present yourself constantly in terms of external references. If I were you I’d ask myself why and try to work past it instead of simply presenting it as sad statement of fact. People here have tried many times to present healthier alternatives and interests which you might explore and find your own happiness, but you want to fixate on certain frustrations. It’s really irritating to witness so it must be intolerable to experience, so why not change it.

Honestly, this is a big part of why your constant presentation of problems within a “muslim” framework comes off as so forced and artificial, because it’s just another external system in which you’re trying to order your life. It’s why your insistence on a need to find a muslim wife seems so desperate and often disconcerting, because it’s all about you and what you think you need.

Being cautious of a convert’s zealotry isn’t enough either, because while I’m sure your conversion is genuine you also seem to use it as a crutch, as a shortcut to belonging to a community. This is why the realization that you will in many many ways forever be an outsider in that community is really difficult for you.

I think you need to learn how to be content with yourself as is, to learn how to be happy alone. People sometimes through times where connecting with other people is hard, for whatever reason, that’s life. Learn how to occupy your time without external dependence and the angst you carry around will lessen at the very least. To whatever degree you can replace that angst, that constant self judgment with acceptance of who you are you will naturally become more attractive to other people. You can’t carry that kind of self hate around and expect other people to be comfortable around you.

143 Dr Lizardo  May 25, 2014 4:02:08pm

So, for you Lizards who enjoy history, an interesting documentary, though it will help if you can understand French. It’s mostly in English, but a lot of it is in French, and sadly, there are no subtitles.

Mobutu: King of Zaire

Youtube Video

en.wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org

A fascinating look at a part of recent African history.

144 Killgore Trout  May 25, 2014 4:06:48pm

re: #137 jaunte

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Afghan President Turns Down Invitation To Meet With Obama

Afghan President Hamid Karzai turned down an invitation to meet with President Barack Obama Sunday. A White House official issued a statement to the press pool attributing Karzai’s decision to the “short notice” of the request and the fact Obama’s surprise visit to Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan was dedicated to meeting with U.S. troops ahead of the Memorial Day holiday.

“As we said, we weren’t planning for a bilateral meeting with President Karzai or a trip to the palace, as this trip is focused on thanking our troops,” the official said. “We did offer him the opportunity to come to Bagram, but we’re not surprised that it didn’t work on short notice.”

145 goddamnedfrank  May 25, 2014 4:07:49pm

re: #135 The War TARDIS

And the reason why I would want a block on myself was that it would take it out of my hands. I like that, because I am having stimulation overload these days for thinking about so much stuff all the time. One thing less=less stress.

Don’t buy a fucking gun and they will remain out of your hands. Go talk to your Psychologist, let them figure out if you’re a danger to yourself or others. If you have genuine stress over the hypothetical ability to purchase firearms then I don’t know how to help you, but you aren’t going to find a temporary solution. If you end up getting your right to own firearms taken away it’s going to be for life.

146 palomino  May 25, 2014 4:11:02pm

re: #84 freetoken

Ben Carson is the GOP’s “black friend”.

Does anyone here actually take Carson seriously as a presidential candidate?

He’s a great scientist…who denies both evolution and climate change. He’s a columnist for the Wash Times, an absolute joke of a newspaper. And each time he speaks, he mindlessly repeats the same old TP talking points from 2009.

The question Colmes didn’t ask but should have, that often goes unasked even by liberals: Why must Obama release his college transcripts when most other presidents and candidates before him did not? This erroneous notion that most others have released their transcripts is the flimsy assertion that Carson uses to excuse the insane GOP obsession with the BC. “If Obama won’t release his transcripts, then it makes perfect sense to question his BC.” An “argument” that ignores the actual history of presidents and their college transcripts, and reflects the quality of reasoning one expects from Wash Times writers.

147 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 4:11:05pm

re: #138 EPR-radar

That’s what I’m getting at. OEC covers various possibilities, including theistic evolution, so it’s not really as well defined a term as YEC. en.wikipedia.org

Again, that’s not how it’s used today. We wouldn’t call Obama a creationist, even though he (apparently) believes in God and thus in creation. Creationism is associated with anti-evolutionism. Theistic evolution (not to be confused with evolutionary creationism) stands on its own.

nap.edu

Advocates of the ideas collectively known as “creationism” and, recently, “intelligent design creationism” hold a wide variety of views. Most broadly, a “creationist” is someone who rejects natural scientific explanations of the known universe in favor of special creation by a supernatural entity. Creationism in its various forms is not the same thing as belief in God because, as was discussed earlier, many believers as well as many mainstream religious groups accept the findings of science, including evolution. Nor is creationism necessarily tied to Christians who interpret the Bible literally. Some non-Christian religious believers also want to replace scientific explanations with their own religion’s supernatural accounts of physical phenomena.

[…]

Other creationists, known as “old Earth” creationists, accept that the Earth may be very old but reject other scientific findings regarding the evolution of living things.

I’ll go with NAS.

148 palomino  May 25, 2014 4:13:02pm

re: #121 jaunte

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It’s as simple as that!

Yes, this homicidal maniac in Santa Barbara would have been deterred by the knowledge that more people on the streets were carrying guns. Because, you know, he was thinking all logically and stuff before he went on his shooting rampage.

149 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 4:13:41pm

re: #135 The War TARDIS

And the reason why I would want a block on myself was that it would take it out of my hands. I like that, because I am having stimulation overload these days for thinking about so much stuff all the time. One thing less=less stress.

This is also thoroughly disordered thinking. If you are thinking too much about guns, get some real professional help, as opposed to a farcical fantasy that has failure baked into it from the start.

My final word on the subject is this: On a 1-10 scale of suck, never having dated at age 50 is about a 4. You’re much younger than 50, so deal with it sensibly or learn to accept the results of not dealing with it.

150 blueraven  May 25, 2014 4:15:08pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Afghan President Turns Down Invitation To Meet With Obama

Give it a rest. It is Memorial weekend.
Karzai decided not to take up an invitation that was 1) not very inviting, 2) a Giant afterthought. Big woop.

BTW that is a great photo!

151 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 4:16:08pm

re: #148 palomino

Yes, this homicidal maniac in Santa Barbara would have been deterred by the knowledge that more people on the streets were carrying guns. Because, you know, he was thinking all logically and stuff before he went on his shooting rampage.

The manifesto was full of all kinds of logical thinking. Conclusions followed from premises, complete sentences were used, and he spelled better than I do.

152 jaunte  May 25, 2014 4:16:35pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Karzai is probably busy trying to figure out how to finesse the Taliban long enough to escape to Dubai with most of his loot.

153 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 4:17:09pm

Make up your own title.

154 palomino  May 25, 2014 4:17:35pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Afghan President Turns Down Invitation To Meet With Obama

So? What’s your point? And what’s the use of an unscheduled meeting with the corrupt POS we put in power?

155 Ryan King  May 25, 2014 4:18:16pm

Douchecannon Logic:

1. One man with a gun will shoot a bunch of people.
2. All men with a gun won’t shoot anybody.

Note that spree killers frequently expect to die (and do): more people having guns won’t deter them at all.

But he thinks more people having guns means much less dead.

You can’t reason with cynical and simplistic logic like that.

156 The War TARDIS  May 25, 2014 4:19:49pm

re: #149 EPR-radar

If you look at one of the past 3 or 4 comments, you will see an acknowledgement that I am not ready for a romantic relationship.

157 Killgore Trout  May 25, 2014 4:20:49pm

re: #150 blueraven

Give it a rest. It is Memorial weekend.
Karzai decided not to take up an invitation that was 1) not very inviting, 2) a Giant afterthought. Big woop.

BTW that is a great photo!

4)Karzai is a dick 5) I have a hard time seeing a happy ending to our involvement in Afghanistan. The region is fucked beyond repair and with Pakistan refusing to take control of its own tribal region I think the Taliban will have a resurgence after we leave. They may not retake Afghanistan but they’ll make a mess trying. I feel bad for the Afghan people.

158 Killgore Trout  May 25, 2014 4:21:31pm

re: #152 jaunte

Karzai is probably busy trying to figure out how to finesse the Taliban long enough to escape to Dubai with most of his loot.

He’s probably already got that one figured out.

159 goddamnedfrank  May 25, 2014 4:21:40pm

re: #154 palomino

So? What’s your point? And what’s the use of an unscheduled meeting with the corrupt POS we put in power?

Karzai wants us out. His two possible successors want us to stay.

I’m not sure exactly what Obama wants, but it’s probably best if we leave and he’s using the uncertainty before Afghanistan’s elections to continue with withdrawal plans.

160 A Mom Anon  May 25, 2014 4:22:18pm

re: #135 The War TARDIS

GO FIND SOMETHING TO DO. I mean this. You are a smart person, use it for something good. Go sign up for Habitat for Humanity, or any volunteer gig that interests you. If you’re looking for quiet, go to the museum, the botanical gardens, hike in the park, SOMETHING. Connecting with nature is a huge help, studies have even proven time spent hiking or walking in natural places help alleviate depression and anxiety. DO IT. Make the commitment to yourself. You’re at least self aware enough to grasp that you can’t be in a relationship right now, that’s one good thing.

If I recall correctly, you left your family, got in the car and drove hundreds of miles away to try and make it on your own. Do you know how big of a deal that is for someone on the autism spectrum? So there’s another positive thing. Build on what is good, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant. You have to start where you are and go from there.

161 blueraven  May 25, 2014 4:23:03pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

4)Karzai is a dick 5) I have a hard time seeing a happy ending to our involvement in Afghanistan. The region is fucked beyond repair and with Pakistan refusing to take control of its own tribal region I think the Taliban will have a resurgence after we leave. They may not retake Afghanistan but they’ll make a mess trying. I feel bad for the Afghan people.

So you think we should stay? How long?

Or maybe we should have never gone? What is your point?

162 Ryan King  May 25, 2014 4:28:15pm

so I came to SF this weekend with Wifey, and had lunch with Mom planned: turns out it was surprise birthday party for me.

Besides the delicious elixirs that came as booty, we get to walk through downtown getting our Anthony Bourdain on tonight.

163 The War TARDIS  May 25, 2014 4:28:59pm

re: #160 A Mom Anon

Going to a zoo with friends tomorrow. They rallied around me after last weekend. I am feeling better. The whole thing with guns is more me trying to be proactive.

164 Stanley Sea  May 25, 2014 4:29:23pm

I really really don’t think Tardis is reading any of your replies.

?

165 A Mom Anon  May 25, 2014 4:29:29pm

re: #162 Ryan King

Happy birthday and lucky you!! I love San Francisco, I’ve only been once, but I fell in love with it.

166 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 4:30:15pm

re: #163 The War TARDIS

Going to a zoo with friends tomorrow. They rallied around me after last weekend. I am feeling better. The whole thing with guns is more me trying to be proactive.

This whole things with guns is freaky and insane. You need to get that, and I’m concerned that you seem to be completely oblivious to this.

167 Ryan King  May 25, 2014 4:30:56pm

re: #164 Stanley Sea

I really really don’t think Tardis is reading any of your replies.

?

Never has.

168 Killgore Trout  May 25, 2014 4:31:49pm

re: #161 blueraven

So you think we should stay? How long?

Or maybe we should have never gone? What is your point?

I wish we could have done a better job. Maybe that wasn’t possible.

169 Ryan King  May 25, 2014 4:32:58pm

re: #165 A Mom Anon

Happy birthday and lucky you!! I love San Francisco, I’ve only been once, but I fell in love with it.

I like SF a lot. The best thing to do is get a room for 2-3 days and eat 4 times a day, small meals. Walk a direction, find a campy or hole in the wall place, have a drink and share a small meal. Go back to hotel room, hang out… then venture out in 3-4 hours and do it again in a different direction.

170 blueraven  May 25, 2014 4:35:48pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

I wish we could have done a better job. Maybe that wasn’t possible.

Maybe if we hadn’t lost focus by going into Iraq…

171 Stanley Sea  May 25, 2014 4:36:07pm

re: #162 Ryan King

Happy Birthday and enjoy!

Check out Belden Place if you can.

belden-place.com

172 Ryan King  May 25, 2014 4:36:53pm

The thing I’m left with this weekend, in light of the little f’ing asshole, is that a whole bunch of women are driving the narrative away from minimizing the event as ‘just a crazy guy’ and focusing on what is really is, misogynist terrorism.

173 The War TARDIS  May 25, 2014 4:38:06pm

re: #166 EPR-radar

I think I am thinking one a different wavelength.

On your advice, I will be to a psych in the next month. This will help me be ready for a relationship. In addition, I will find a headhunter to help me find a better job. I tend to get overloaded when looking through Job Openings.

174 Dr Lizardo  May 25, 2014 4:40:18pm

re: #163 The War TARDIS

Going to a zoo with friends tomorrow. They rallied around me after last weekend. I am feeling better. The whole thing with guns is more me trying to be proactive.

That’s good.

You know, you can marry a Christian or a Jewish woman; your options are pretty open.

Me…..even though I don’t really like to get too much into my personal life, there’s a Ugandan woman I’m involved with, and she’s Christian. And we’ve discussed marriage, though we both still want to be a little more sure about our relationship. And we gotta figure out where we’re gonna live….here or in Uganda.

So in my case, I’d be looking at not only a interreligious marriage but an interracial marriage as well. She’s pretty mellow with regard to religion, and I am as well. She made me swear no other wives, and I told her, “Trust me….you’re more than enough.”

:)

175 thedopefishlives  May 25, 2014 4:41:12pm

re: #172 Ryan King

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The thing I’m left with this weekend, in light of the little f’ing asshole, is that a whole bunch of women are driving the narrative away from minimizing the event as ‘just a crazy guy’ and focusing on what is really is, misogynist terrorism.

So I remember hearing that this guy was 22 years old and a virgin; I got married at 24 and had never had sex before then. My brother-in-law was literally a 40-year-old virgin. Why didn’t either of us think to go on a murderous rampage with our gigantic blue balls?/////

176 Ryan King  May 25, 2014 4:41:26pm

re: #171 Stanley Sea

Happy Birthday and enjoy!

Check out Belden Place if you can.

belden-place.com

Oh look - .4 miles. We may go twice!

177 A Mom Anon  May 25, 2014 4:42:03pm

re: #163 The War TARDIS

DO MORE. Every day. You HAVE to for your mental health.

I will share something here. I suffer from depression and a generalized anxiety disorder along with PTSD. Not a fun combo. I had a relapse in Feb. A bad one. I cannot take the meds, they make me sick and make me, well, quite frankly, suicidal. I tried to take them again in Feb and ended up spending a week in bed, unable to function. Never again. (meds work for many people, not all, but many, this is not a recommendation to stop any meds)

I have been on a daily walking regimen with my dog every day for over a year and it’s literally saved my life. Things went bad in Feb because the weather was sucky and I stayed in. Big mistake. Sure, sometimes the weather makes it unsafe or uncomfortable, but there were a lot of days I could have went and didn’t. And I ended up in the ER with a full blown panic attack and I couldn’t stop weeping. I’m back on schedule again and I’m doing great. It’s the only thing that works for me. I work outside and walk every day for at least an hour of walking and sometimes several hours of gardening. Walk, hike, bike, something, I promise, if you give it a chance you’ll see a difference. And I see a therapist as needed. Another key, I found someone who gets my issues. It took awhile, but I’m glad I didn’t give up. I will get better, period.

178 b_sharp  May 25, 2014 4:42:54pm

Damn, those deniers sure love the CRU emails.

179 Stanley Sea  May 25, 2014 4:43:32pm

re: #176 Ryan King

Oh look - .4 miles. We may go twice!

It’s really cool. Outdoor seating in this little alley.

180 palomino  May 25, 2014 4:43:43pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

I wish we could have done a better job. Maybe that wasn’t possible.

Maybe we should have learned from the Russian experience of the 1980s. I’m sure a lot of old Soviets had quite a laugh at our expense over the last decade: “Can you believe the Americans are making the exact same mistake we did? Do they learn nothing?”

181 Ryan King  May 25, 2014 4:45:39pm

So what teenage boy (or pre-teen, or post-teen, or any dude besides Ashton Kutcher) didn’t have issues getting girls?

Men are f’ing whiny bitches.

182 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 25, 2014 4:48:56pm

183 thedopefishlives  May 25, 2014 4:53:37pm

re: #181 Ryan King

So what teenage boy (or pre-teen, or post-teen, or any dude besides Ashton Kutcher) didn’t have issues getting girls?

Men are f’ing whiny bitches.

What amuses me is that this guy really shouldn’t have had any problem getting laid. He wasn’t horribly ugly, he had wealth and privilege, if he’d just been a genuinely nice guy instead of a self-centered douchecanoe only looking for a piece he probably would’ve found a pretty alright girl to go out with.

184 Ryan King  May 25, 2014 4:55:51pm

So I’ve been cooped up in this here hotel room on Market St watching Anthony Bourdain, getting hungry, waiting on my wife who ‘just ran out to get a pair of shoes.’

The angst of not getting wimmenz in my 20’s pales in comparison to not being able to pursue later PM street food in one of the foodiest cities in the world…

WOMEN ARE HORRI…

‘Oh, Hi honey. Nice shoes… can we go get something to eat now?’

185 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2014 4:56:33pm

re: #183 thedopefishlives

What amuses me is that this guy really shouldn’t have had any problem getting laid. He wasn’t horribly ugly, he had wealth and privilege, if he’d just been a genuinely nice guy instead of a self-centered douchecanoe only looking for a piece he probably would’ve found a pretty alright girl to go out with.

His problem was that he would only consider hot blonde sorority girls.
Other girls weren’t worth his attention.
I’m pretty sure that other girls knew that they were “unworthy” in his eyes and they really didn’t care… and he probably knew that too and it pissed him off even more.

186 The War TARDIS  May 25, 2014 4:56:34pm

re: #181 Ryan King

For the past several years or so, all of my friends have been women. In a few cases, I began to like them. However, I didn’t want to lose a friend so I never acted on it but once.

And that is better than being a tool. And one friend, the one now in Pakistan, said that if it wasn’t for her parents finding her someone, she would have chosen me, or another friend she had, in Pakistan.

She also had me do some modeling. I know I can attract a person. I just haven’t crossed paths with the one Allah has set for me.

187 Bubblehead II  May 25, 2014 4:59:49pm

Night Lizards. I came and I saw. Reine good to see you back. Ice, we’ll just leave that one alone. Sleep well Lizards.

188 Ryan King  May 25, 2014 5:04:31pm

I had a ton of angst about girls. From what little teeny bits I know about wimmenz.. they had a bunch of angst too.

Angst is part of life.

But being oversensitive to angst, and being a narcissist and a misogynist, I’m not sure. What came first, the narcissism or the misogyny?

189 Lidane  May 25, 2014 5:04:32pm

re: #172 Ryan King

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The thing I’m left with this weekend, in light of the little f’ing asshole, is that a whole bunch of women are driving the narrative away from minimizing the event as ‘just a crazy guy’ and focusing on what is really is, misogynist terrorism.

And they should. That entitled little shit didn’t exist in a vacuum. There are plenty of guys just like him out there and there always have been. The only difference is that most of them don’t reach for their (legally purchased, fair and square) guns and open fire. They just find other ways to harass and intimidate women or slut shame them.

You can give a guy a fake number. You can tell him you’re gay. You can mention your boyfriend/husband/partner/FWB/whatever and still be ignored. Some guys just don’t understand the concept of no being no or of Taking The Hint. Some guys can’t fathom the possibility that women aren’t interested in them because they’re creepy and/or too full of themselves. This UCSB dipshit was one of those guys.

190 William Barnett-Lewis  May 25, 2014 5:12:57pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

Written by Robert Scheer, you’d expect it to be a joke. Happily, it turned out that Ronald Reagan was far smarter and both he and George Bush the Elder better at planning than doomsayers like Scheer thought.

Sorry DF, but we got lucky that as he was running out of money first, Gorby knew the buttons to push on Ronnie. Plus Ronnie watched “The Day After” which was when he finally had modern war made real to him - and it wasn’t like the little Live Fire Exercise they’d just run in Grenada to divert people’s attention away from the Beirut Barracks Bombing.

Without both of those things?

Well, I joined the US Army out of High School in 1982 fully expecting RayGun to start WWIII. I decided I’d rather die quickly than either of radiation or freezing/starving to death in the long winter.

I know you like to think well of him, DF. But Reagan was not a good president. Thankfully he was lead away from the sabers by people better than he ever was.

191 William Barnett-Lewis  May 25, 2014 5:17:17pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

I wish we could have done a better job. Maybe that wasn’t possible.

It stopped being possible the day W took the troops away to start his unnecessary & immoral war of choice in Iraq. We could have, should have, finished the job in Afghanistan. Instead he pissed away our treasure & our army to make thing worse in both countries.

192 RealityBasedSteve  May 25, 2014 5:17:23pm

If I were Obama (and every day you people had best be thankful that I’m not), the day after I leave office, I’d take out a full page spread in the New York Times with copies of all my transcripts and other records. Just for the Shits and Grins of it.

RBS

193 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 5:18:47pm

re: #188 Ryan King

I had a ton of angst about girls. From what little teeny bits I know about wimmenz.. they had a bunch of angst too.

Angst is part of life.

But being oversensitive to angst, and being a narcissist and a misogynist, I’m not sure. What came first, the narcissism or the misogyny?

If we take the perp’s manifesto at face value, the narcissism came first in this case.

194 William Barnett-Lewis  May 25, 2014 5:21:58pm

re: #188 Ryan King

I had a ton of angst about girls. From what little teeny bits I know about wimmenz.. they had a bunch of angst too.

Angst is part of life.

But being oversensitive to angst, and being a narcissist and a misogynist, I’m not sure. What came first, the narcissism or the misogyny?

Coming of age in the late 70s - early 80’s (Post sexual revolution & pre-AIDS) made some of this easier. At least I got laid regularly in high school & I wasn’t Mr. Playah. But the rest of it was still true. I could go back and find some hideously bad angsty teenager poetry if you don’t believe me :whistles:

195 Stanley Sea  May 25, 2014 5:22:42pm
196 Ryan King  May 25, 2014 5:22:47pm

re: #189 Lidane

Well said. You’re right.

Lots of angry little boys in men’s bodies out there.

197 William Barnett-Lewis  May 25, 2014 5:24:29pm

BBIAB. Just got done working the grill and don’t feel like cooking. A nice pineapple & Canadian bacon pizza sounds good /// (actually it does, but I know I’m weird that way :D )

198 Lidane  May 25, 2014 5:25:05pm

re: #192 RealityBasedSteve

If I were Obama (and every day you people had best be thankful that I’m not), the day after I leave office, I’d take out a full page spread in the New York Times with copies of all my transcripts and other records. Just for the Shits and Grins of it.

RBS

Heh. I’d broadcast that shit from Times Square the moment I left office.

199 The War TARDIS  May 25, 2014 5:25:22pm

I am realizing I am coming at what I said here yesterday from a completely different angle from Everyone else. Can you tell me where I lost the plot. Thought process is below. Blod the step where I deviated from logic, cause I am not getting it.

Saw news——>That Sucks——->Shooter was an Aspie——->So am I——->Think of past mental history——-> I shouldn’t have a gun———> Wants to be proactive—-> Put myself on a no gun list ——> Mission Accomplished.

200 Stanley Sea  May 25, 2014 5:25:44pm
201 thedopefishlives  May 25, 2014 5:27:06pm

re: #199 The War TARDIS

I am realizing I am coming at what I said here yesterday from a completely different angle from Everyone else. Can you tell me where I lost the plot. Thought process is below. Blod the step where I deviated from logic, cause I am not getting it.

Saw news——>That Sucks——->Shooter was an Aspie——->So am I——->Think of past mental history——-> I shouldn’t have a gun———> Wants to be proactive—-> Put myself on a no gun list ——> Mission Accomplished.

False equivalence in between “Shooter was an Aspie” and “So am I”. Not all Asperger’s individuals are created equal. Some are perfectly capable of being semi-normal and not going on homicidal rampages.

202 Justanotherhuman  May 25, 2014 5:27:27pm

Carson is such a damned tool. How in hell did he ever get out of medical school?

Meanwhile, I want one.

A GPS. Had no trouble finding a place I’d never been, 2 counties over, and coming back home was a breeze, too. We had a good time. : )

203 Lidane  May 25, 2014 5:28:24pm

re: #199 The War TARDIS

You lost the plot the moment you decided that the UCSB shooter’s problems were due to his place on the autism spectrum. They’re not.

Plenty of people exist on the spectrum and don’t go opening fire on others. He was a narcissistic, misogynist douchecanoe that thought the reason he couldn’t get laid was because of the women he was around. He never stopped to think about his own attitudes or beliefs about women.

That shooting wasn’t about his place on the spectrum. It was an entitled little shit who decided that women were the reason for all his problems and he settled on violence to “solve” things.

204 b_sharp  May 25, 2014 5:31:34pm

re: #203 Lidane

You lost the plot the moment you decided that the UCSB shooter’s problems were due to his place on the autism spectrum. They’re not.

Plenty of people exist on the spectrum and don’t go opening fire on others. He was a narcissistic, misogynist douchecanoe that thought the reason he couldn’t get laid was because of the women he was around. He never stopped to think about his own attitudes or beliefs about women.

That shooting wasn’t about his place on the spectrum. It was an entitled little shit who decided that women were the reason for all his problems and he settled on violence to “solve” things.

Same thing happened up here.

205 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 5:39:40pm

re: #199 The War TARDIS

I am realizing I am coming at what I said here yesterday from a completely different angle from Everyone else. Can you tell me where I lost the plot. Thought process is below. Blod the step where I deviated from logic, cause I am not getting it.

Saw news——>That Sucks——->Shooter was an Aspie——->So am I——->Think of past mental history——-> I shouldn’t have a gun———> Wants to be proactive—-> Put myself on a no gun list ——> Mission Accomplished.

The dangerous point of similarity between your situation and this weekend’s perp is rage, not Asperger’s.

Deciding that you shouldn’t have a gun is great.

Obsessing about the ability to buy a gun when you think you shouldn’t is a big problem. Trying to deal with this obsession by making gun purchase temporarily impossible is pretty much impossible and doesn’t address the real problem (i.e., the obsession).

206 Justanotherhuman  May 25, 2014 5:39:44pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Afghan President Turns Down Invitation To Meet With Obama

KT, earlier I linked to a notice that Pres Obama had no intentions of meeting with Karzai while in Afghanistan. This was to meet with the military for discusssions and in honor of Memorial Day.

Didn’t you get the notice?

BTW, “Business Insider” has a rather mixed record of getting stuff right. They screwed this one up.

I can’t even link to that page, so they must have realized their error and taken it down?

207 Varek Raith  May 25, 2014 5:41:46pm


CNN host bans all gun control talk after Calif. mass shooting, then gets schooled by panelists

During coverage of the breaking news that seven people had died when 22-year-old Elliot Rodger went on a shooting spree near UC Santa Barbara’s campus, Feyerick hosted segments pointing to mental health problems and video games as possible triggers for the mass murders.

FFS, stop blaming videogames.

208 A Mom Anon  May 25, 2014 5:41:50pm

re: #199 The War TARDIS

I don’t give a shit what the idiotic media says, Asperger’s and violence DO NOT GO HAND IN HAND. I mentioned before, I have known a lot of young people on the spectrum in the last 20 years. NONE of them are violent. Do they have difficulties and issues? Yep. Violent? Nope. I’m not even sure there’s been confirmation of this fool’s diagnosis.

If you’re worried about becoming violent, you need to find specialized help. Since ASDs are common now, you should be able to find a therapist who understands you and how you think. If you’re not worried about that, stop creating a problem where none exists and get on with your life’s plan. And again, GET OUT OF YOUR OWN HEAD every day. DO EET!

Edited to add… you have anger issues, dude. It might be related to your family life, abuse you suffered, stuff like that. If that’s the case, it’s NOT about your Asperger’s it’s about the ANGER. And the abuse. Not all abuse is physical but it all leaves scars.

209 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 5:43:12pm

re: #207 Varek Raith


CNN host bans all gun control talk after Calif. mass shooting, then gets schooled by panelists

FFS, stop blaming videogames.

Just wait until the douchebag brigade gets to those parts of the manifesto. Ugh.

210 thedopefishlives  May 25, 2014 5:45:32pm

re: #208 A Mom Anon

The mind is such a complicated thing and I wonder if anyone is really, truly “normal”. I just have a feeling that there’s something in all of us that could be categorized as a mental disorder if we really studied it hard enough.

211 Killgore Trout  May 25, 2014 5:45:47pm

re: #206 Justanotherhuman

KT, earlier I linked to a notice that Pres Obama had no intentions of meeting with Karzai while in Afghanistan. This was to meet with the military for discusssions and in honor of Memorial Day.

Didn’t you get the notice?

BTW, “Business Insider” has a rather mixed record of getting stuff right. They screwed this one up.

I can’t even link to that page, so they must have realized their error and taken it down?

AFP: au.news.yahoo.com

US officials said Obama offered to see the Afghan leader at the sprawling Bagram base but decided not to go to his palace in central Kabul. They did not say how much notice they had given the Afghan leader.

Karzai interpreted Obama’s invitation as a snub, saying in a pointed statement that “the government of Afghanistan is prepared to warmly welcome the US president in the presidential palace, but it does not intend to go to Bagram to meet Obama.”

A US official summed up the latest disconnect in the dysfunctional relationship between Washington and a man it once hailed as Afghanistan’s saviour by saying: “We’re not surprised that it didn’t work on short notice.”

Obama later telephoned Karzai on his flight out the country and the pair talked for 15 to 20 minutes, Obama telling his counterpart he would be in touch before announcing his decision about troop numbers, a senior administration official said.

212 Killgore Trout  May 25, 2014 5:48:03pm

NYT: nytimes.com

They said American officials offered Mr. Karzai the opportunity to join Mr. Obama at Bagram, but were not surprised when the Afghan leader turned them down. A statement from Mr. Karzai’s office was terse about the invitation: “The president of Afghanistan said that he was ready to warmly welcome the president of the United States in accordance with Afghan traditions,” it said, “but had no intention of meeting him at Bagram.”

213 A Mom Anon  May 25, 2014 5:49:47pm

re: #210 thedopefishlives

Oh absolutely. One thing I’ve learned is that whatever we think of is normal doesn’t exist. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, has something that’s dysfunctional on some level. No one is perfect or ideal. I think this culture is sick in a lot of ways, and a big thing that’s really fucked up is this illusion that life is like people’s selfie photos, everyone smiling, always having fun and getting along and if your life isn’t like that, you’re broken.

It’s bullshit.

214 Varek Raith  May 25, 2014 5:50:18pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Who cares.
Karzai is a douche and anything but helpful.

215 The War TARDIS  May 25, 2014 5:52:25pm

re: #214 Varek Raith

Good Riddance to that clown.

Too bad Bush chose him as own man in Afghanistan, and that we didn’t protect Ahmed Shah Massoud.

216 Kragar  May 25, 2014 5:52:30pm

You know, when talking about problems that were going on for over a decade, childlike glee over the fact you get to hammer Obama over it might not be the best approach.

217 Charles Johnson  May 25, 2014 5:54:10pm
218 EPR-radar  May 25, 2014 5:55:52pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

This Kincannon asshole must be trying out for the job of being the next Rush Limbaugh.

220 Varek Raith  May 25, 2014 5:56:58pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

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Fucking Rambo wannabes.

221 Stanley Sea  May 25, 2014 5:57:04pm

re: #207 Varek Raith


CNN host bans all gun control talk after Calif. mass shooting, then gets schooled by panelists

FFS, stop blaming videogames.

They also edited out the grieving father’s call out of politicians and the NRA.

222 The War TARDIS  May 25, 2014 5:57:08pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

And knowing how he is talking, probably wiping out many bystanders.

Seriously, how frightened do you have to be to constantly have a gun?

223 Justanotherhuman  May 25, 2014 5:57:38pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

NYT: nytimes.com

It’s being blown up as a “snub” but it’s nothing like that.

Karzai has always been an ass and showed his contempt for a busy Pres Obama by invoking “pomp and circumstance” at his palace in Kabal under the guise of “culture” which would have interfered with POTUS’s schedule. Even Karzai can’t move freely about in the presidential palace but stays with his family in a well guarded, secure apt within it.

There was never any “plan” to include Karzai in this visit, until perhaps there was criticism once Pres Obama landed at Bagram. Why would anyone want POTUS subjected to the daily threats against the Afghanistan presidential palace?

224 Varek Raith  May 25, 2014 5:57:55pm

re: #221 Stanley Sea

They also edited out the grieving father’s call out of politicians and the NRA.

Damn, that’s low.
Even for CNN.

225 A Mom Anon  May 25, 2014 5:59:10pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

Hoo Boy.

So let’s see, not only is there um, some massive overcompensation/ lovin’ him some violence there, it’s all wrapped up in some more sexism, because this madness just didn’t have enough. Good job Todd, nice work.

Gross.

226 Lidane  May 25, 2014 5:59:23pm

re: #219 Varek Raith


Fox News ‘expert’ suggests ‘homosexual impulses’ triggered Calif. mass shooting

WTF

Anything to deflect from the fact that the kid was pretty much a textbook MRA type and that he bought his guns legally.

227 Stanley Sea  May 25, 2014 6:01:45pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

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Trying to one up Coulter with the 9/11 widows.

Is he doing it for monetary reward?

Dog that man is evil.

228 jaunte  May 25, 2014 6:03:07pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

Yeah, no misogyny there.

229 Stanley Sea  May 25, 2014 6:03:09pm

re: #224 Varek Raith

Damn, that’s low.
Even for CNN.

Oh no, not CNN. Fox.

230 Kragar  May 25, 2014 6:03:37pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

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I’d figure any relation of Todd to end up in a clock tower as some point

231 Amory Blaine  May 25, 2014 6:03:49pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

Jesus, what a fucking dick.

232 palomino  May 25, 2014 6:05:03pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

NYT: nytimes.com

As you would say, Meh, Not a big deal, I’m not concerned with this, It doesn’t mean anything, Just an outrageous outrage, Both sides snubbed each other, Who cares?

Why is this an important story?

233 William Barnett-Lewis  May 25, 2014 6:06:18pm

re: #232 palomino

Why is this an important story?

Because KT’s concerned.

234 Amory Blaine  May 25, 2014 6:06:32pm

Looks like he’s battling Frank Lutz.

235 palomino  May 25, 2014 6:10:28pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

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Does his son always have a gun drawn while walking down the street? Because if you don’t, you’re not really safe from a mass murder spree. The killer always has the advantage of surprise in these situations.

Just think about all those little “bitches” who died in the CO movie theater shooting. If only they’d had their guns drawn in a darkened movie theater, I’m sure all would have turned out fine. Same goes for all those little bitches killed by the DC sniper. Why weren’t they carrying and ready for sniper fire when filling up their cars at the gas station?

None of us are safe until we all walk around like Jesse James.

236 Amory Blaine  May 25, 2014 6:11:21pm

Hey Krager, they were talking about an article of yours at Wiki in January.

en.wikipedia.org

237 Killgore Trout  May 25, 2014 6:11:32pm

re: #223 Justanotherhuman

Why would anyone want POTUS subjected to the daily threats against the Afghanistan presidential palace?

Yeah, it doesn’t speak well for the situation that the Presidential palace probably isn’t safe. Karzai himself is enough of a security risk, I wouldn’t put anything past him

238 palomino  May 25, 2014 6:12:11pm

re: #233 William Barnett-Lewis

Because KT’s concerned.

Which of course means that typically the story is trivial.

239 Justanotherhuman  May 25, 2014 6:12:42pm

This is a 123,000 acre fire, 20% contained.

Evacuation order issued as Funny River fire threatens homes

Read more here: adn.com

Rainfall expected Mon in south-central AK, where the fire is located.

240 Amory Blaine  May 25, 2014 6:12:56pm

re: #218 EPR-radar

This Kincannon asshole must be trying out for the job of being the next Rush Limbaugh.

I’m pretty sure when Rush retires that this is the type of replacement we’ll get.

241 Stanley Sea  May 25, 2014 6:14:10pm

re: #233 William Barnett-Lewis

Because KT’s concerned.

Not even concerned. Concentrated on fucking up the thread. Another day.

242 Amory Blaine  May 25, 2014 6:15:24pm

Kincannons tweet suggests he doesn’t even have kids. Does he?

243 allegro  May 25, 2014 6:16:43pm

re: #242 Amory Blaine

Kincannons tweet suggests he doesn’t even have kids. Does he?

Good gawd, some woman would have to fuck him to accomplish that. I can’t imagine they’re lining up for it.

244 Killgore Trout  May 25, 2014 6:19:26pm

Ugh

White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

The CIA’s top officer in Kabul was exposed Saturday by the White House when his name was inadvertently included on a list provided to news organizations of senior U.S. officials participating in President Obama’s surprise visit with U.S. troops.

The White House recognized the mistake and quickly issued a revised list that did not include the individual, who had been identified on the initial release as the “Chief of Station” in Kabul, a designation used by the CIA for its highest-ranking spy in a country.

245 Stanley Sea  May 25, 2014 6:19:51pm

Ah, what the hell.

246 palomino  May 25, 2014 6:20:49pm

re: #241 Stanley Sea

Not even concerned. Concentrated on fucking up the thread. Another day.

Well, everyone’s got some purpose in life. Apparently that’s his. Kinda sad.

Some people confuse being a contrarian with having integrity.

247 jaunte  May 25, 2014 6:22:20pm

re: #245 Stanley Sea

248 Decatur Deb  May 25, 2014 6:22:44pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Ugh

White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan

Not that dramatic. The Chief of Station is the highest ranking CIA embassy staff official. He is a ‘declared’ official, and not secret. I bought my Israel beater car from the Deputy Chief as he was rotating back. (Good indication of how relatively safe Israel was in 1998.)

249 William Barnett-Lewis  May 25, 2014 6:25:27pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

Not that dramatic. The Chief of Station is the highest ranking CIA embassy staff official. He is a ‘declared’ official, and not secret. I bought my Israel beater car from the Deputy Chief as he was rotating back. (Good indication of how relatively safe Israel was in 1998.)

Good explanation. Pity it’ll do no good…

250 aagcobb  May 25, 2014 6:27:43pm

re: #207 Varek Raith


CNN host bans all gun control talk after Calif. mass shooting, then gets schooled by panelists

FFS, stop blaming videogames.

To my knowledge, no-one has ever been killed by an XBox.

251 Killgore Trout  May 25, 2014 6:28:01pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

Not that dramatic. The Chief of Station is the highest ranking CIA embassy staff official. He is a ‘declared’ official, and not secret. I bought my Israel beater car from the Deputy Chief as he was rotating back. (Good indication of how relatively safe Israel was in 1998.)

It was probably an open secret but it’s still not best to advertise it. Previous station chiefs have had to leave their post after being outed.

In this case, the pool report was filed by Washington Post White House bureau chief Scott Wilson. Wilson said he had copied the list from the e-mail provided by White House press officials and included it in a report that was sent to a distribution list with more than 6,000 recipients.

Wilson said that after the report was distributed, he noticed the unusual reference to the station chief and asked White House press officials in Afghanistan whether they had intended to include that name.

Initially, the press office raised no objection, apparently because military officials had provided the list to distribute to news organizations. But senior White House officials realized the mistake and scrambled to issue an updated list without the CIA officer’s name. The mistake, however, already was being noted on Twitter, although without the station chief’s name.

Somebody fucked up.

252 Justanotherhuman  May 25, 2014 6:29:16pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Godwald would call that “transparency”.

253 aagcobb  May 25, 2014 6:30:32pm

re: #235 palomino

Does his son always have a gun drawn while walking down the street? Because if you don’t, you’re not really safe from a mass murder spree. The killer always has the advantage of surprise in these situations.

Just think about all those little “bitches” who died in the CO movie theater shooting. If only they’d had their guns drawn in a darkened movie theater, I’m sure all would have turned out fine. Same goes for all those little bitches killed by the DC sniper. Why weren’t they carrying and ready for sniper fire when filling up their cars at the gas station?

None of us are safe until we all walk around like Jesse James.

That is the NRA’s objective.

254 Decatur Deb  May 25, 2014 6:30:38pm

re: #251 Killgore Trout

It was probably an open secret but it’s still not best to advertise it. Previous station chiefs have had to leave their post after being outed.

Somebody fucked up.

Not something to advertise in a war zone, but the initial reaction indicates how minor it was. No WTF moment there.

255 ObserverArt  May 25, 2014 6:31:10pm

re: #192 RealityBasedSteve

If I were Obama (and every day you people had best be thankful that I’m not), the day after I leave office, I’d take out a full page spread in the New York Times with copies of all my transcripts and other records. Just for the Shits and Grins of it.

RBS

I am looking forward to his time after he has served. I too hope for a little whoop-ass out of him, but really all he has done is shown class and looked past a lot of it. So, he might not be real demonstrative. But he will be fun to follow.

256 b_sharp  May 25, 2014 6:32:39pm

The New Comments button no longer gives me the number of comments available.

257 William Barnett-Lewis  May 25, 2014 6:33:11pm

re: #256 b_sharp

The New Comments button no longer gives me the number of comments available.

Try reloading the page - it’s working for me.

258 Justanotherhuman  May 25, 2014 6:36:25pm

Bunny Yeager, photographer of Bettie Page pinups, dies at 85 - @latimes
Read more on latimes.com

259 Killgore Trout  May 25, 2014 6:37:00pm

We’ve all been down this road before with teen killers and media coverage. I’m reminded that now we’re due for the media navel gazing about how irresponsible it is to show the guy’s picture and publish his manifesto. Also there’s the possibility of copycats inspired by lonely nice guy syndrome or whatever they’re going to call it.

260 Justanotherhuman  May 25, 2014 6:37:25pm

re: #258 Justanotherhuman

Bunny Yeager, photographer of Bettie Page pinups, dies at 85 - @latimes
Read more on latimes.com

ETA better link: latimes.com

261 ObserverArt  May 25, 2014 6:39:12pm

re: #245 Stanley Sea

Ah, what the hell.

How trees actually reproduce

Reminds me in an odd way of a site from some time ago, back when the ‘net was just getting rolling with zany creativity. furnitureporn.com The Kamu Sutra of creative furniture arrangements. That was a long time ago, I’m not even sure if it is still going. Heh.

Well, what do you know…after a preview, I noticed it linked right up and does go there. It has a “must be 18” sign-in, but compared to what you can stumble across on the ‘net the site is pretty safe. Sexual theme played out in furniture.

262 Killgore Trout  May 25, 2014 6:39:44pm

Charlie Brooker’s Newswipe
Youtube Video

263 Stanley Sea  May 25, 2014 6:40:04pm

re: #260 Justanotherhuman

ETA better link: latimes.com

Ha, she skimmed a year off of her age. Most women then did not do less than 10.

264 Killgore Trout  May 25, 2014 6:41:29pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Charlie Brooker’s Newswipe
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25/03/09

265 Stanley Sea  May 25, 2014 6:42:53pm

re: #261 ObserverArt

Reminds me in an odd way of a site from some time ago, back when the ‘net was just getting rolling with zany creativity. furnitureporn.com The Kamu Sutra of creative furniture arrangements. That was a long time ago, I’m not even sure if it is still going. Heh.

Well, what do you know…after a preview, I noticed it linked right up and does go there. It has a “must be 18” sign-in, but compared to what you can stumble across on the ‘net the site is pretty safe. Sexual theme played out in furniture.

omg primitive website. I’m trying but my eyes are bleeding from the red font.

266 Stanley Sea  May 25, 2014 6:43:52pm

re: #261 ObserverArt

Reminds me in an odd way of a site from some time ago, back when the ‘net was just getting rolling with zany creativity. furnitureporn.com The Kamu Sutra of creative furniture arrangements. That was a long time ago, I’m not even sure if it is still going. Heh.

Well, what do you know…after a preview, I noticed it linked right up and does go there. It has a “must be 18” sign-in, but compared to what you can stumble across on the ‘net the site is pretty safe. Sexual theme played out in furniture.

omg lol.

267 Amory Blaine  May 25, 2014 6:46:41pm

re: #265 Stanley Sea

Same webmaster as Drudge?

268 ObserverArt  May 25, 2014 6:47:06pm

re: #265 Stanley Sea

omg primitive website. I’m trying but my eyes are bleeding from the red font.

Yep. I think I first heard about it back like ‘98 or so. That would be about the time I was beginning to understand the open potential for how creative and crazy the internet could be.

269 Varek Raith  May 25, 2014 6:51:06pm

re: #261 ObserverArt

Reminds me in an odd way of a site from some time ago, back when the ‘net was just getting rolling with zany creativity. furnitureporn.com The Kamu Sutra of creative furniture arrangements. That was a long time ago, I’m not even sure if it is still going. Heh.

Well, what do you know…after a preview, I noticed it linked right up and does go there. It has a “must be 18” sign-in, but compared to what you can stumble across on the ‘net the site is pretty safe. Sexual theme played out in furniture.

Lolwhut.

270 RealityBasedSteve  May 25, 2014 6:51:36pm

re: #265 Stanley Sea

omg primitive website. I’m trying but my eyes are bleeding from the red font.

I don’t see the problem. It’s every GeoCities / AngelFire site ever created from the beginning of time. All based on the basic design principle, “If you don’t know what you’re doing, do lots of it, in different colors”. Just one thing thing that I’d fix is that it’s a bit short of animated gifs. I do like the classic ‘bevel buttons’ and the 3d gold shadowed text. I don’t see anything wrong with it. (which is why you don’t put RBS on the UI team, keep him busy writing business logic and data components)

RBS

271 Stanley Sea  May 25, 2014 6:56:43pm

re: #269 Varek Raith

Lolwhut.

sofas fucking chairs. O M G

272 Decatur Deb  May 25, 2014 6:59:29pm

re: #261 ObserverArt

Reminds me in an odd way of a site from some time ago, back when the ‘net was just getting rolling with zany creativity. furnitureporn.com The Kamu Sutra of creative furniture arrangements. That was a long time ago, I’m not even sure if it is still going. Heh.

Well, what do you know…after a preview, I noticed it linked right up and does go there. It has a “must be 18” sign-in, but compared to what you can stumble across on the ‘net the site is pretty safe. Sexual theme played out in furniture.

I’d enter, but I’m afraid I’d see an Eames chair I know.

273 The War TARDIS  May 25, 2014 7:01:24pm

re: #250 aagcobb

If thrown with enough force, I’m pretty sure it could.

274 Lancelot Link  May 25, 2014 7:18:33pm

re: #235 palomino

None of us are safe until we all walk around like Jesse James.

That didn’t work out too well for Jesse James, either.

275 Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 26, 2014 7:41:47am

Dr. Ben Carson is a prefect example of how Ideology trumps Intelligence in determining how stupid you are.

Dr. Carson is presumably an otherwise intelligent man whose mental ability is severely compromised by knee-jerk adherence to ideology that specifically rejects the scientific method and common sense. This fits the definition of Stupid.

276 labman57  May 26, 2014 8:44:19am

And yet another tea-chugging political wannabe suckles at the delusional, Obama-phobic, conspiracy-theorist’s teat.


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