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Snowden: The US “Trapped” Me in Russia, Ask the State Department Why I’m Here

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The latest promotional clips from Brian Williams’ interview with NSA leaker Edward Snowden illustrate again the overwhelming ego-centrism of the Snowden/Greenwald self-narrative. When Williams asks Snowden, “What are you doing in Russia?” Snowden replies that the US stranded him there, and we should ask the State Department why they were so mean to him.

Snowden is a world-class narcissist; if you take him at his word that he didn’t intend to end up in Russia, he actually seems to believe the US (or any country for that matter) should simply let him travel freely without a care, wherever he wants, carrying millions of stolen top secret documents. To Snowden, revoking his passport is unconscionable oppression. He doesn’t just think he did nothing illegal, he expects the entire world to agree, and give him carte blanche.

In the clip above, Secretary of State John Kerry answers Snowden’s claim that the mean old State Department stranded him in Russia for no reason, but I don’t think it’s the answer Snowden had in mind.

“For a supposedly smart guy, that’s a pretty dumb answer, frankly,” Kerry said. “If Mr. Snowden wants to come back to the United States today, we’ll have him on a flight today.

“We’d be delighted for him to come back. He should come back. That’s what a patriot would do. A patriot would not run away and look for refuge in Russia or Cuba or some other country. A patriot would stand up in the United States and make his case to the American people,” Kerry added.

“He can come home but he’s a fugitive from justice which is why he is not being permitted to fly around the world,” he said.

The massive Snowden ego is contained within a very thin skin; the descriptions of him as a “hacker” or “system administrator” have really irritated him, obviously, because he takes this opportunity to float a new way of looking at the greatness of Snowden: as a master spy and man of many faces.

In the sit-down, Snowden also fought back against critics who dismissed him as a low-level hacker — saying he was “trained as a spy” and offered technical expertise to high levels of government.

“I was trained as a spy in sort of the traditional sense of the word, in that I lived and worked undercover overseas — pretending to work in a job that I’m not — and even being assigned a name that was not mine,” Snowden said.

I keep waiting for the point where the egomania maxes out, but the self-glorification just keeps getting more grandiose.

Also see:
Susan Rice: Snowden Was Not a Spy

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160 comments

1 piratedan  May 28, 2014 1:24:38pm

I dunno Eddie Baby, maybe by conspiring with a couple of erstwhile “journalists” to use and abuse your position within the security infrastructure (post you signing some docs stating that wouldn’t harm your country) to download sensitive, classified and top secret materiel that was supposed to highlight abuses of the NSA on Americans and instead exposed ongoing intelligence operations around the globe…. might.. just might have something to do with it. Instead of say… following the established protocols for whistleblowing and exposing any supposed malfeasance within the organization you chose to flee the country in the honored tradition of other American patriots, like exactly whom?

2 Shiplord Kirel  May 28, 2014 1:27:46pm

Snowjob is in Russia for two reasons:
1. He knows that his ignorant conspiracy culture supporters will believe he can’t get a fair trial in the US and will therefore shower him with praise and money.
2. He knows that he is guilty as sin and a fair trial would send him to prison.

3 Kragar  May 28, 2014 1:28:13pm

Sure Ed, you were trained as a “spy”, which is why your little bitch ass pulled a smash and grab, panicked, and then got stuck in Russia.

4 Shazam  May 28, 2014 1:29:59pm

I wonder what Papa Putin thinks of Snowden admitting he doesn’t really want to be in Russia. You know, after Snowden and Greenwald tried to paint it as the real land of the free.

5 Bulworth  May 28, 2014 1:32:54pm
When Williams asks Snowden, “What are you doing in Russia?” Snowden replies that the US stranded him there, and we should ask the State Department why they were so mean to him.

So the U.S. shipped him to Russia, I guess?

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6 Shiplord Kirel  May 28, 2014 1:34:05pm

The Assange/Greenwald/Snowden Axis rests its entire case on the claim that Assange and Snowden will not get fair trials in Sweden and the US respectively.

Ironically, this sends them into the waiting arms of countries where they really wouldn’t get a fair trial if they somehow offended their hosts.

In fact, both could raise any amount of bail money from adoring conspiracy culture dupes and armies of opportunistic lawyers would fight each other for the right to defend them. Perhaps they could make even more money by auctioning the right to defend them, such would be its value to a media star legal team.

7 wrenchwench  May 28, 2014 1:35:26pm

re: #4 Shazam

I wonder what Papa Putin thinks of Snowden admitting he doesn’t really want to be in Russia. You know, after Snowden and Greenwald tried to paint it as the real land of the free.

As long as Snowden is blaming Obama for his troubles, he is doing Papa Putin’s work.

8 GeneJockey  May 28, 2014 1:36:27pm

What an asshole.

9 Feline Fearless Leader  May 28, 2014 1:38:41pm

Still not sure which party might necessarily had suckered the other into taking part, but it looks like Greenwald is “winning” since he has the book deal, freedom, and an easier time maintaining himself in the focus of the media.

10 Shiplord Kirel  May 28, 2014 1:40:45pm

I wonder if President Cruz will pardon Snowden after the dudebros and conspiraliars put the Tea Party in power?

Actually no. I think a bloody gun humper uprising is going to comprehensively discredit not just the far right but the conspiracy industry in general before 2016 ever gets here.

11 missliberties  May 28, 2014 1:43:37pm

Snowden and is alter ego Greenwald have seriously damaged this nations safety.

They need to be called out for their disgusting hubris, because they are NOT helping.

12 b.d.  May 28, 2014 1:43:52pm
13 Kragar  May 28, 2014 1:44:18pm
14 NJDhockeyfan  May 28, 2014 1:45:35pm
15 Kragar  May 28, 2014 1:47:03pm

Bryan has jumped the shark

16 missliberties  May 28, 2014 1:48:10pm

re: #7 wrenchwench

As long as Snowden is blaming Obama for his troubles, he is doing Papa Putin’s work.

Precisely.

17 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 1:48:28pm

re: #15 Kragar

Bryan has jumped the shark

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A man like him would fit in wonderfully in Saudi Arabia if the Qu’ran was his favorite book.

18 NJDhockeyfan  May 28, 2014 1:48:35pm
19 missliberties  May 28, 2014 1:49:42pm

re: #8 GeneJockey

What an asshole.

Times a godzillion.

20 calochortus  May 28, 2014 1:50:27pm

re: #15 Kragar

Bryan has jumped the shark

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Well, that’s inches away from “we do non-believers a disservice by not condemning them so they can repent and find God” isn’t it?

21 HappyWarrior  May 28, 2014 1:52:23pm

re: #20 calochortus

Well, that’s inches away from “we do non-believers a disservice by not condemning them so they can repent and find God” isn’t it?

It’s frighteningly close. Sometimes I wonder if Bryan is just a time traveler who got lost on a trip from the Middle Ages with his extremely reactionary views.

22 Justanotherhuman  May 28, 2014 1:54:19pm

This is the kind of shit that makes me scared for this country—the amount of narcissism evidenced in so much of what we see these days, so much so that most of these idiots don’t live in reality but carefully construct their little worlds from their own fevered minds.

Snowden, Greenwald, Poitras, Omidyar—all of them have massive egos and actually think that they know better than 99.99999999999% of the rest of the country. I will give them points for cleverness and luring in actual journalists who think they’re dealing with honest brokers which isn’t the case at all.

This isn’t petty narcissism, such as you didn’t like my column—poutrage—but these people actually believe they have better judgment than a duly elected govt which understands what it’s doing and what is out there that is, or could be, a danger to any nation—any country and all of them that cooperate with the US and each other, and yes, even spy upon each other.

We have mechanisms in govt that can deal with anything that needs changing and there have been discussions about the parameters of the NSA, terrorism and other related issues for some time now. Some people took it upon themselves to commit criminal offenses, to make that judgment instead of allowing the democratic process to work. These people aren’t democrats (small d); they’re anarchistic narcissists and a danger to stability both here and in the rest of the world.

They can go waste away in Siberia for all I care.

23 Kragar  May 28, 2014 1:54:19pm

Ed’s spycraft training was breaking the Ovaltine code

24 ObserverArt  May 28, 2014 1:55:09pm

This ought to be a pretty good show tonight. Everyone got their popcorn ready?

I’d love to see a camera on Greenwald while this is on TV. I have a feeling their are going to be moments when he will be cringing and yelling “No Ed…no, no no!!!

By the way, I wonder if Glenn asked for rebuttal time? You know, like the Republican addresses after an Obama State-of-the-Union.

25 Decatur Deb  May 28, 2014 2:01:19pm

re: #7 wrenchwench

As long as Snowden is blaming Obama for his troubles, he is doing Papa Putin’s Jim Hoft’s work.

26 allegro  May 28, 2014 2:02:55pm

So he says he was trained as a spy to go undercover. He doesn’t say which country he was trained by or for whom he went undercover.

is he admitting he’s a Russian spy and worked undercover to steal US secrets? Explains a lot.

27 Kragar  May 28, 2014 2:04:28pm

Shorter Ed Snowden:

Youtube Video

28 Gus  May 28, 2014 2:05:36pm

Maya Angelou’s political contributions. Weird. Seems like a standard Democrat to me and not a communist.

Contributions to Political Committees

ANGELOU, MAYA
WINSTON SALEM, NC 27101

CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM
VIA HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON FOR US SENATE COMMITTEE INC
09/26/2000 -500.00 20020341321

ANGELOU, MAYA
WINSTON SALEM, NC 27101
POET

CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM
VIA HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON FOR US SENATE COMMITTEE INC
09/12/2000 500.00 20020340576
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ANGELOU, MAYA
WINSTON SALEM, NC 27101
WAKE FOREST UNIVERSITY

CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM
VIA HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON FOR US SENATE COMMITTEE INC
10/22/2000 -1000.00 20020431578
10/22/2000 1000.00 20020431578

ANGELOU, MAYA
WINSTON SALEM, NC 27101
WAKE FOREST UNIVERSITY/PROFESSOR/

RANGEL, CHARLES B
VIA RANGEL FOR CONGRESS
06/29/2001 1000.00 21990346820
06/29/2001 1000.00 21990346820

ANGELOU, MAYA
WINSTON SALEM, NC 27106
SELF EMPLOYED

DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE
01/12/2010 500.00 10930342636

ANGELOU, MAYA
WINSTON SALEM, NC 27106
SELF-EMPLOYED

DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE
06/11/2004 500.00 25971420211

ANGELOU, MAYA
WINSTON SALEM, NC 27106
WAKE FOREST UNIVERSI

DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE
08/31/2000 2500.00 20036150128

ANGELOU, MAYA
WINSTON SALEM, NC 27106
WAKE FOREST UNIVERSITY

NATIONAL LEADERSHIP PAC
08/05/2007 500.00 28931882843

ANGELOU, MAYA
WINSTON-SALEM, NC 27101
POET

DEMOCRATIC SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE
08/16/1999 500.00 99020101948

ANGELOU, MAYA
WINSTON-SALEM, NC 27106
AUTHOR/POET

BOWLES, ERSKINE B
VIA ERSKINE BOWLES FOR US SENATE
11/05/2002 800.00 22020921753

ANGELOU, MAYA
WINSTON-SALEM, NC 27106
POET

BRAUN, CAROL MOSELEY
VIA CAROL MOSELEY-BRAUN FOR US SENATE 1998 INC
09/09/1997 1000.00 98020021173

ANGELOU, MAYA
WINSTON-SALEM, NC 27106
RETIRED

WATT, MELVIN L
VIA MEL WATT FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
07/26/2007 900.00 28993128105
07/26/2007 2100.00 28993128104

ANGELOU, MAYA
WINSTON-SALEM, NC 27106
WAKE FOREST UNIV

MCKINNEY, CYNTHIA
VIA RUN CYNTHIA MCKINNEY RUN
01/05/1999 250.00 99034624950

ANGELOU, MAYA
WINSTON-SALEM, NC 27106
WAKE FOREST UNIVERSITY

EDWARDS, JOHN R
VIA EDWARDS FOR SENATE
09/17/1999 250.00 20020020855
06/30/2001 500.00 21020100161

ANGELOU, MAYA
WINSTON-SALEM, NC 27109
WAKE FOREST UNIVERSITY

JACKSON, JESSE L JR
VIA JESSE JACKSON JR FOR CONGRESS
06/16/2000 1000.00 20035780772

ANGELOU, MAYA DR.
WINSTON SALEM, NC 27109
WAKE FOREST UNIVERSITY/PROFESSOR

GORE, AL
VIA GORE 2000 INC
03/23/1999 250.00 20990083758

Total Contributions: 15550.00

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ANGELOU, MAYA
WINSTON-SALEM, NC 27106
POET

VICTORY IN NORTH CAROLINA
08/06/1998 1000.00 99034411790

Total Joint Fundraising: 1000.00

TRY A: NEW QUERY
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29 Justanotherhuman  May 28, 2014 2:06:08pm

Greenwald, Marcy Wheeler, all of them, are doubling down on the derp today.

30 Bulworth  May 28, 2014 2:08:14pm

Gus

Maya Angelou’s political contributions. Weird. Seems like a standard Democrat to me and not a communist.

Duh. The Democrat Party is commie Soshulist. Checkmate, Libtard!

31 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2014 2:11:16pm
32 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 28, 2014 2:13:10pm

re: #30 Bulworth

Gus

Duh. The Democrat Party is commie Soshulist. Checkmate, Libtard!

They also introduced the Jim Crow laws, the wily coymmies.

33 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  May 28, 2014 2:14:17pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I’m trapped in Russia and I can’t get out!”

34 Gus  May 28, 2014 2:14:23pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

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35 GeneJockey  May 28, 2014 2:15:18pm

re: #32 Sergey Romanov

They also introduced the Jim Crow laws, the wily coymmies.

Yep, the party of giving blacks free stuff and letting anyone vote and taking away stuff from blacks and not letting them vote. The party of secession and states rights and a strong central government running roughshod over states rights.

36 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2014 2:17:16pm

re: #34 Gus

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I knew I could count on you!

37 Gus  May 28, 2014 2:18:54pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

I knew I could count on you!

Snowden has such dead eyes. His whole face is just so expressionless. Odd.

38 wrenchwench  May 28, 2014 2:19:02pm

re: #34 Gus

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Can you put his face on a balloon and inflate it a lot?

The massive Snowden ego is contained within a very thin skin

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2014 2:19:20pm

re: #37 Gus

Snowden has such dead eyes. His whole face is just so expressionless. Odd.

His moles have more personality.

40 raina  May 28, 2014 2:19:25pm

Hi, first time posting here.

Just seen on twitter, via CNN Susan Rice “forcefully denies” Snowden was ever a spy.

41 GeneJockey  May 28, 2014 2:19:27pm

If he was really trained as a spy, I shudder in fear for the incompetence of our intelligence community.

42 wrenchwench  May 28, 2014 2:20:27pm

re: #40 raina

Welcome, hatchling.

43 Dr Lizardo  May 28, 2014 2:21:38pm

OT, but I finally got around to watching the second trailer for Guardians Of The Galaxy. Nice use of a classic rock song, “Spirit in the Sky” by Norman Greenbaum in the trailer. I remember that number from my childhood - heard it first when I was a kid, and the opening riff is one of the memorable ones in rock music.

Youtube Video

I’m genuinely looking forward to this one when it opens here.

44 Rightwingconspirator  May 28, 2014 2:21:42pm

Okay okay. I give up.

Edward you no longer have to live in Russia. You can move.

To Crimea.

45 wrenchwench  May 28, 2014 2:21:56pm

re: #38 wrenchwench

Can you put his face on a balloon and inflate it a lot?

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

His moles have more personality.

Can you have a mole dancing on the balloon?

46 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2014 2:22:39pm

re: #40 raina

Hi, first time posting here.

Just seen on twitter, via CNN Susan Rice “forcefully denies” Snowden was ever a spy.

welcome!
Please deposit the required hatchling offerings of coffee, cookies, muffins, etc.

47 Rightwingconspirator  May 28, 2014 2:23:51pm

re: #40 raina

Hi, first time posting here.

Just seen on twitter, via CNN Susan Rice “forcefully denies” Snowden was ever a spy.

Our unofficial mascot welcomes you. Say Hi to Lizzie.

48 wrenchwench  May 28, 2014 2:24:32pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

welcome!
Please deposit the required hatchling offerings of coffee, cookies, muffins, etc.

I need a low-carb hatchling. Maybe I should just eat the hatchling.

/ <————————tag of sarcasm

49 Gus  May 28, 2014 2:25:34pm
50 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2014 2:28:55pm

heh…

51 Gus  May 28, 2014 2:29:33pm

re: #47 Rightwingconspirator

Our unofficial mascot welcomes you. Say Hi to Lizzie.
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Lizard in Disguise

52 Emoprog Refugee  May 28, 2014 2:31:49pm

I had to log in just to upding Gus’ artwork! It’s got me laughing out loud.

Since I’m here, welcome, raina!

53 wrenchwench  May 28, 2014 2:31:52pm

re: #49 Gus

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Nice!

re: #51 Gus

Lizard in Disguise

Thanks for fixing the tail. That was bugging me.

54 Rightwingconspirator  May 28, 2014 2:31:56pm

re: #51 Gus

Lizard in Disguise

*snort* Damn coca cola gets me needing yet another keyboard.

55 simoom  May 28, 2014 2:33:22pm

I’d never seen this blog before last night, but assuming their “No Place to Hide” book excerpt is accurate, it sounds like Brian Williams and various representatives of NBC were lobbying Snowden through Greenwald:

daddyclaxton.com

“…Snowden was determined to disappear from sight, as he said, to do no interviews. He understood that the media love to personalize every story, and he wanted to keep the focus on NSA surveillance, not on him. True to his word, Snowden refused all media invitations. …Brian Williams dispatched several different representatives to make his case. Snowden could have spent all day and night on the most influential television shows, with the world watching him, had he wanted to do that.

“But he was unmovable. I conveyed the requests and he declined them, to avoid taking attention away from the revelations. Strange behavior for a fame-seeking narcissist.” (Pages 222-223)

56 Gus  May 28, 2014 2:36:21pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

Nice!

Thanks for fixing the tail. That was bugging me.

re: #54 Rightwingconspirator

*snort* Damn coca cola gets me needing yet another keyboard.

Here’s a few more.

57 Dr Lizardo  May 28, 2014 2:36:31pm

re: #40 raina

Welcome, hatchling.

58 Justanotherhuman  May 28, 2014 2:37:40pm

re: #55 simoom

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I’d never seen this blog before last night, but assuming their “No Place to Hide” book excerpt is accurate, it sounds like Brian Williams and various representatives of NBC were lobbying Snowden through Greenwald:

daddyclaxton.com

“Hey, Eddie. How about waiting until my book tour starts to do any interviews for the US press, esp TV guys like Brian Williams.”

It’s always about paying attention to Godwald first. Snowjob has become an afterthought.

59 TedStriker  May 28, 2014 2:37:46pm

re: #23 Kragar

Ed’s spycraft training was breaking the Ovaltine code

“A crummy commercial? Sonofabitch…”

60 raina  May 28, 2014 2:38:40pm

re: #47 Rightwingconspirator

eww hello Lizzie

61 Gus  May 28, 2014 2:41:06pm

Of course… //

62 Justanotherhuman  May 28, 2014 2:42:58pm

re: #59 TedStriker

“A crummy commercial? Sonofabitch…”

Youtube Video

63 Feline Fearless Leader  May 28, 2014 2:43:41pm

re: #61 Gus

Of course… //

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Should just put some invasion stripes on Lizzie’s tail directly.

64 Charles Johnson  May 28, 2014 2:45:20pm
65 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2014 2:46:12pm

re: #55 simoom

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I’d never seen this blog before last night, but assuming their “No Place to Hide” book excerpt is accurate, it sounds like Brian Williams and various representatives of NBC were lobbying Snowden through Greenwald:

daddyclaxton.com

one of the perks of NBC and First Look having a collaboration agreement.

66 simoom  May 28, 2014 2:46:45pm

re: #55 simoom

Google Books search — it’s not one of the pages you’re allowed to actually view but it’s clearly in the index, so the excerpt seems to be real:

67 piratedan  May 28, 2014 2:49:18pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stonekettle is a great little site imho….

68 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 2:51:41pm

Anybody else remember when we were told, before Snowden’s identity was revealed, about the sort of “master spy” who’d pulled off this heist? He wore a black hood in his hotel room, stuffed pillow covers under the door, yet was still using the wifi in a Hong Kong hotel to do all of his web browsing?

69 Justanotherhuman  May 28, 2014 2:53:08pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

Anybody else remember when we were told, before Snowden’s identity was revealed, about the sort of “master spy” who’d pulled off this heist? He wore a black hood in his hotel room, stuffed pillow covers under the door, yet was still using the wifi in a Hong Kong hotel to do all of his web browsing?

He was no more a spy than you or I.

Just a run of the mill traitor and puppet of the Russians now.

70 Gus  May 28, 2014 2:53:38pm

re: #63 Feline Fearless Leader

Should just put some invasion stripes on Lizzie’s tail directly.

D-Day Lizzie

71 jaunte  May 28, 2014 2:54:52pm

Matt Wilstein:

“Then again, if Snowden was an undercover spy, wouldn’t it be Rice’s duty to protect his cover? “mediaite.com

This is how conspiracy theories start, Matt.

72 simoom  May 28, 2014 2:55:16pm

re: #66 simoom

Yup, definitely in there:

I’m off for a while. Watching some Breaking Bad on Netflix.

73 piratedan  May 28, 2014 3:07:26pm

re: #69 Justanotherhuman

i dunno, if I had to say, he’s been an extremely successful one and I hope that some day, the lessons learned from his actions make us a better place.

1) keeping Intelligence “in-house” and not farmed out to contractors

2) getting everyday folks who work in the Intel Community to follow the rules when it comes to security

3) that whistleblowers to be understand their rights and the appropriate way to bring issues, moral, ethical, legal to light and that our public servants don’t do them a disservice by sweeping their revelations under the rug. Doesn’t mean that they have to make them public, but fix the problems, don’t shoot the messenger.

Now does Snowden fit into any of these upgrades, I doubt it; he was either a tool, a pawn or a double-bladed knife. I haven’t been too impressed by the statements that I’ve read but it does take a certain amount of chutzpah to wheedle passwords out of co-workers and while he may be thinking that he’s doing great deeds, I haven’t seen anything published that makes me think that all we’ve dealt with on the US side is would have or could haves and internationally thrown a spanner into the works.

74 Gus  May 28, 2014 3:16:33pm
75 Gus  May 28, 2014 3:22:45pm
76 Charles Johnson  May 28, 2014 3:25:20pm
77 wrenchwench  May 28, 2014 3:26:52pm

re: #75 Gus

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Greenwald netted $3000 for stolen secrets.

78 Justanotherhuman  May 28, 2014 3:27:58pm

When you carefully read this, it is the height of chutzpah and a chilling insight into the “mind” of Snowden.

“In interview excerpts released earlier Wednesday, Snowden blamed the State Department for stranding him in Russia. He said that he had a flight booked to Cuba and on to Latin America, but “the United States government decided to revoke my passport.”

Did he really think that he could steal top secret documents from the US govt and go hide in some Latin American country with absolutely no repercussions whatsoever?

80 Charles Johnson  May 28, 2014 3:30:47pm

re: #74 Gus

They’re all feeding at the trough.

81 Justanotherhuman  May 28, 2014 3:34:48pm

Just talked to my son who said one of his childhood cronies had died—born in 1959, the same age as he is. Chatted for a minute or two, and then he said, “Let me go, Mom, I want to see what this Snowden guy has to say.”

To shorten the goodbye, I said, “He’s a fucking idiot.”

82 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 28, 2014 3:40:48pm

re: #77 wrenchwench

Greenwald netted $3000 for stolen secrets.

He’s netted a lot more than that. I want to hear what his book signing deal was for.

83 RealityBasedSteve  May 28, 2014 3:42:56pm

re: #40 raina

Hi, first time posting here.

Just seen on twitter, via CNN Susan Rice “forcefully denies” Snowden was ever a spy.

Is that diplomatic speak for “Doing a spit take, spraying water across the room and going “Oh FUCK No!!!!! Are you INSANE”.

Of course, if he WERE a spy, that is exactly what they would say. After all, Austin Powers was so effective, because everybody underestimated him. /Just Saying…

RBS

84 TedStriker  May 28, 2014 3:43:46pm

re: #78 Justanotherhuman

When you carefully read this, it is the height of chutzpah and a chilling insight into the “mind” of Snowden.

“In interview excerpts released earlier Wednesday, Snowden blamed the State Department for stranding him in Russia. He said that he had a flight booked to Cuba and on to Latin America, but “the United States government decided to revoke my passport.”

Did he really think that he could steal top secret documents from the US govt and go hide in some Latin American country with absolutely no repercussions whatsoever?

I’m sure that he did, because he and GG thought they had the US government by the balls.

85 Charles Johnson  May 28, 2014 3:45:12pm
86 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 28, 2014 3:51:37pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

I’m amazed that anyone believes anything this guy says. But he has a built-in conspiracy theory excuse: “OF COURSE, the government is going to deny it!”

87 Charles Johnson  May 28, 2014 3:56:06pm
88 Charles Johnson  May 28, 2014 4:00:39pm

Uh oh, it’s “LEAVE EDWARD SNOWDEN ALONE” time again.

89 Charles Johnson  May 28, 2014 4:02:01pm
90 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 28, 2014 4:04:38pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

It’s interesting the divisions within the ostensibly “progressive” blogosphere that are being heightened by the Snowwald Saga. There are several writers who have slipped a few notches in my eyes because of their defenses of patently illegal activities by Snowden and narcissistic bullying by Greenwald.

Cole is one of those.

91 Gus  May 28, 2014 4:04:48pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Uh oh, it’s “LEAVE EDWARD SNOWDEN ALONE” time again.

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Wasn’t even about Snowden. Weird.

92 Justanotherhuman  May 28, 2014 4:05:32pm

re: #86 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I’m amazed that anyone believes anything this guy says. But he has a built-in conspiracy theory excuse: “OF COURSE, the government is going to deny it!”

And he’s absolutely depending on people’s* distrust of govt to parlay into his narrative.

*They know who they are—the extreme rightwing and libertarian dudebros, along with self-proclaimed “leftists”, all of whom have disdain for a democratically elected govt.

They’re just hoping that the rest of the country buys into what they’re selling.

93 b.d.  May 28, 2014 4:06:10pm

SNOWDEN WAS AN ASTRONAUT SPY WHILE ALSO BEING A COWBOY, SHOVE OFF DROOLING SYCOPHANTS!!

94 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 28, 2014 4:06:13pm

re: #92 Justanotherhuman

Whew. Thought I’d killed the thread there for a minute.

95 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 4:06:31pm

re: #94 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Whew. Thought I’d killed the thread there for a minute.

I’m not dead yet.

96 klys  May 28, 2014 4:07:18pm

re: #95 Targetpractice

I’m not dead yet.

I’m not dead either, but the thought of dealing with plumbers in order to get the house repiped is making me want to claw my eyes out.

I now have a list of 4 to get estimates from though. /sigh

97 b.d.  May 28, 2014 4:07:27pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

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I see Cole is insulting someone that is not on his own blog for a change.

98 Charles Johnson  May 28, 2014 4:07:31pm
99 Charles Johnson  May 28, 2014 4:11:26pm

re: #97 b.d.

I see Cole is insulting someone that is not on his own blog for a change.

I tried to politely ask him not to drag me into whatever the fuck he’s talking about, but no, he has to be an asshole.

100 b.d.  May 28, 2014 4:14:18pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

I tried to politely ask him not to drag me into whatever the fuck he’s talking about, but no, he has to be an asshole.

Cole doesn’t do polite………….or subtlety…or…..thinking things through.

101 Ryan King  May 28, 2014 4:16:03pm

Dude. like… Snowden’s responses are f’ing juvenile.

it’s like I’m talking to a 17 year old Dudebro.

102 Charles Johnson  May 28, 2014 4:16:14pm

Oh, now I see what started Cole off this time.

I had to go back and find it - missed it at first.

Yeah, that’s not a cool thing to say. And I wouldn’t say it, either, so fuck John Cole. That I would say.

103 Charles Johnson  May 28, 2014 4:16:54pm

Ah ha - Pat deleted it, I guess.

104 Charles Johnson  May 28, 2014 4:18:27pm
105 b.d.  May 28, 2014 4:19:35pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

Oh, now I see what started Cole off this time:

I had to go back and find it - missed it at first.

Yeah, that’s not a cool thing to say. And I wouldn’t say it, either, so fuck John Cole. That I would say.

So a guy who doesn’t even read the comments on his own blog is mad at you for not chastising someone who said something on one of your Twitter conversations?

106 wrenchwench  May 28, 2014 4:21:36pm

re: #100 b.d.

Cole doesn’t do polite………….or subtlety…or…..thinking things through.

You sound like a refugee or sumthin.

107 wrenchwench  May 28, 2014 4:22:51pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

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I watched a little of this and I gotta say, Gus, you didn’t alter Snowden’s head at all!

108 A Mom Anon  May 28, 2014 4:22:58pm

re: #105 b.d.

WTF happened to Cole and Balloon Juice? I used to be a regular over there and it just went to shit. Constant fighting and trolling, it wasn’t even fun anymore. Or informative.

109 b.d.  May 28, 2014 4:23:12pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

You sound like a refugee or sumthin.

SNOWDEN KNOWS WHO I AM AND HE MIGHT TELL COLE!!1!

110 coin operated  May 28, 2014 4:25:38pm

I enjoy a lot of the stuff Cole writes, but his Snowden fanboi crush has made me want to puke several times over.

111 b.d.  May 28, 2014 4:27:42pm

re: #108 A Mom Anon

WTF happened to Cole and Balloon Juice? I used to be a regular over there and it just went to shit. Constant fighting and trolling, it wasn’t even fun anymore. Or informative.

I loved Balloon Juice. IMO Cole caught a bad case of the Dudebroitis and started to jerkily blast his readers/commenters that had a different opinion. Trying to outHamsher Hamsher to earn some sort of mythical blogcred, folks just left, nobody has time for that.

112 urbanmeemaw  May 28, 2014 4:28:21pm

re: #108 A Mom Anon

WTF happened to Cole and Balloon Juice? I used to be a regular over there and it just went to shit. Constant fighting and trolling, it wasn’t even fun anymore. Or informative.

Yup. Though Soonergrunt and many commenters don’t seem to be drinking Godwald’s kool aid, when I scroll through and see a poster bash Kinsley’s article I immediately click off (though I love Betty and Richard Mayhew). Same with LGM.

113 dog philosopher  May 28, 2014 4:31:25pm

ou sont les neige-dens d’antan?

114 wrenchwench  May 28, 2014 4:31:44pm

re: #110 coin operated

Welcome, hatchling.

115 Ryan King  May 28, 2014 4:32:09pm

Brained half of this on a plane, may Page a review after I finish:

Dog Whistle Politics: How Coded Racial Appeals Have Reinvented Racism and Wrecked the Middle Class

116 Charles Johnson  May 28, 2014 4:32:31pm

Big rig stopped now. Driver’s out. On the ground.

117 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 28, 2014 4:33:19pm

re: #112 urbanmeemaw

Yup. Though Soonergrunt and many commenters don’t seem to be drinking Godwald’s kool aid, when I scroll through and see a poster bash Kinsley’s article I immediately click off (though I love Betty and Richard Mayhew). Same with LGM.

I read that thread the other night, and Snowwald has become a guaranteed lightning rod in the comments. I thought Kinsley’s piece was much more nuanced than the dudebros made it out to be. Certainly not worthy of Margaret Sullivan’s sneering dismissal.

118 Decatur Deb  May 28, 2014 4:34:45pm

Seventy years ago today, the Decatur Deb was shot down while destroying the synthetic fuel plant at Rothensee, 1 mile N of Magdeburg.

Image: magdeburg-rothsee-oil-SP.jpg
Image: magdeburg-braunkahle-oil-DA2.jpg

119 b.d.  May 28, 2014 4:34:53pm

Welcome to the ballgame China;

120 Ryan King  May 28, 2014 4:35:51pm

You’re either with us or against us

George Bush Glenn Greenwald

121 wrenchwench  May 28, 2014 4:37:09pm

re: #118 Decatur Deb

Seventy years ago today, the Decatur Deb was shot down while destroying the synthetic fuel plant at Rothensee, 1 mile N of Magdeburg.

Image: magdeburg-rothsee-oil-SP.jpg
Image: magdeburg-braunkahle-oil-DA2.jpg

{{{Dad of Decatur Deb, RIP}}}

122 coin operated  May 28, 2014 4:39:22pm

re: #114 wrenchwench

Thank you. I’m mostly of the lurking lizard variety…

123 Lancelot Link  May 28, 2014 4:40:04pm

re: #90 Rev_Arthur_Belling

It’s interesting the divisions within the ostensibly “progressive” blogosphere that are being heightened by the Snowwald Saga.

Some say that dividing the left is a one of the main aims of this whole situation.

124 Gus  May 28, 2014 4:42:10pm

re: #118 Decatur Deb

Seventy years ago today, the Decatur Deb was shot down while destroying the synthetic fuel plant at Rothensee, 1 mile N of Magdeburg.

Image: magdeburg-rothsee-oil-SP.jpg
Image: magdeburg-braunkahle-oil-DA2.jpg

Looks like they literally bombed that plant to the stone age.

125 Rightwingconspirator  May 28, 2014 4:44:24pm

re: #122 coin operated

I think if one looked back I registered almost a year before jumping in with a comment, and Pages were still in the future.

126 b.d.  May 28, 2014 4:47:27pm

re: #125 Rightwingconspirator

I think if one looked back I registered almost a year before jumping in with a comment, and Pages were still in the future.

Registration here only used to be open at certain times, for certain periods iirc? Long before my time here.

127 Gus  May 28, 2014 4:48:38pm

Heh. France.

128 urbanmeemaw  May 28, 2014 4:50:08pm

re: #123 Lancelot Link

Some say that dividing the left is a one of the main aims of this whole situation.

At the risk of sounding like a Reynolds Wrap beanie wearer, I think the goal is to bring down Obama. I’ve thought that since day 1. The timing is suspicious. This whole thing stinks to high heaven. I also wonder what is going on behind the scenes. The Obama administration has publicly been pretty quiet about this (except for some NSA officials).

129 Ryan King  May 28, 2014 4:51:27pm

I tried lurking.

Failed miserably.

The best I’ve been able to do is not say anything too stupid. But if you say something stupid… make em laugh.

130 Bear  May 28, 2014 4:53:11pm

re: #126 b.d.

I may have been reading LGF for almost a year before I caught an open registration period. For me it was not easy to catch an opening.

131 Ryan King  May 28, 2014 4:54:33pm
132 klys  May 28, 2014 4:55:45pm

I’m in the Lizard class of right-after-the-2012-elections but I lurked for a bit after registration.

I really should make the phone calls to the plumbers and the attorneys to start getting estimates but I don’t want to use the telephone thing today. I’ll do it tomorrow.

133 Gus  May 28, 2014 4:56:04pm
134 b_sharp  May 28, 2014 4:57:30pm

re: #132 klys

I’m in the Lizard class of right-after-the-2012-elections but I lurked for a bit after registration.

I really should make the phone calls to the plumbers and the attorneys to start getting estimates but I don’t want to use the telephone thing today. I’ll do it tomorrow.

I never lurked. I stepped right in and made an ass of myself.

135 Ryan King  May 28, 2014 4:58:47pm

re: #134 b_sharp

I never lurked. I stepped right in and made an ass of myself.

I’ve been down dinged by better than you!

(shakes fist, scowls)

136 Justanotherhuman  May 28, 2014 5:00:16pm

So, did anyone watch this part of the Snowjob interview? Just how many parts are there, anyway?

137 Justanotherhuman  May 28, 2014 5:01:43pm

21-year-old UC Santa Barbara student arrested in Isla Vista on suspicion of negligent discharge of gun, possession of high-capacity magazines days after shooting rampage killed 7 - @LANow
End of alert

138 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 5:02:22pm

re: #131 Ryan King

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But…but…BENGHAZI!!!

139 Gus  May 28, 2014 5:03:49pm

Not sure if this will work.

Video

140 Gus  May 28, 2014 5:04:12pm

No workie. Anywho, here.

141 b_sharp  May 28, 2014 5:04:35pm

re: #135 Ryan King

I’ve been down dinged by better than you!

(shakes fist, scowls)

meh, you’re an amateur at being an ass.

142 Justanotherhuman  May 28, 2014 5:04:49pm

I notice that no one, no one, has mentioned the Snowden interview over at the Godwald twitter acct. Or The Intercept acct, either.

143 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2014 5:05:46pm

meanwhile in South Carolina…BIG LIZARD!

144 Justanotherhuman  May 28, 2014 5:06:35pm

In fact, the last mention of Snowden at The Intercept acct is the selfie which, of course, has Godwald’s mug in it along with Snowden, et al.

145 Ryan King  May 28, 2014 5:07:42pm
146 Gus  May 28, 2014 5:08:08pm
147 Lidane  May 28, 2014 5:08:11pm

re: #15 Kragar

And by criminals he means teh ghey. Fischer is a lunatic.

148 klys  May 28, 2014 5:08:41pm

I don’t know if any of you have heard of Zoë Keating, but her music is pretty phenomenal. Unfortunately she and her husband found out earlier this month that he has cancer - in his brain, lungs, liver, possibly bones.

Today, she found out that insurance has declined to cover his recent hospitalization as not medically necessary.

Yeah, tell me again how great our health insurance system is, Republicans. Even the ACA is just trying to paper over the cracks. I’d love to believe that people will wise up soon and we can have single payer, so that stories like this aren’t so fucking heartbreakingly common.

In the meantime, if you like her music, considering buying an album or two.

149 Targetpractice  May 28, 2014 5:09:02pm

What’s hilarious is that it’s been almost a month since the “smoking gun” memo was put out there by Judicial Watch and all the wingnuts crowed that they’d finally hit paydirt because the press was “turning” on the White House. They were patting Fox News on the back, telling them that they’d been the only network that had stayed on it and were finally being rewarded.

A month later, Fox News’ ratings are dropping and the rest of the press has either moved on yet again. HA!

150 Amory Blaine  May 28, 2014 5:09:37pm

Conservatives stung by talk of Doe settlement with Walker

A legal civil war erupted Wednesday among targets of a John Doe probe, as a conservative group sought Wednesday to block prosecutors from having settlement talks with Gov. Scott Walker’s campaign.

In a letter sent Wednesday, the Washington, D.C., attorney representing the Wisconsin Club for Growth and one of its directors questioned whether a special prosecutor in the case is negotiating with the GOP governor’s campaign to seek concessions that the Club might oppose.

The Club and its treasurer, Eric O’Keefe, filed a federal lawsuit in February against special prosecutor Francis Schmitz and others contending the secret investigation into the 2012 recall campaigns violated their rights to free speech. This month, U.S. District Judge Rudolph Randa in Milwaukee halted the probe as he considers the group’s claims.

151 Stanley Sea  May 28, 2014 5:09:59pm

My claim to LGF fame is good ‘ole Mandy Manners called me an asshole pretty soon after I started commenting.

152 Ryan King  May 28, 2014 5:11:00pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

My claim to LGF fame is good ‘ole Mandy Manners called me an asshole pretty soon after I started commenting.

I don’t got no stinkin badges that big and shiny.

153 b.d.  May 28, 2014 5:11:07pm

I really do loves me some of our Energy Secretary

154 Skip Intro  May 28, 2014 5:15:52pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile in South Carolina…BIG LIZARD!

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Meanwhile, in Russia

Crocodile Hospitalized After Being Crushed By Heavy Russian Woman On Circus Bus

huffingtonpost.com

155 b_sharp  May 28, 2014 5:24:57pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

My claim to LGF fame is good ‘ole Mandy Manners called me an asshole pretty soon after I started commenting.

Still sporting the scar I see.

156 Rightwingconspirator  May 28, 2014 5:52:08pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

Thanks for fixing the tail. That was bugging me.

Maybe had a close call but they grow back fast. (Thx Gus)

157 Rightwingconspirator  May 28, 2014 5:54:23pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

My claim to LGF fame is good ‘ole Mandy Manners called me an asshole pretty soon after I started commenting.

Her real classic was piss up a rope. LOL.

158 Feline Fearless Leader  May 28, 2014 6:21:03pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile in South Carolina…BIG LIZARD!

[Embedded content]

Looking to buy two pair of Hoomans, assuming they’re on sale.
O_O

159 Jay in Oregon  May 28, 2014 8:18:42pm

re: #90 Rev_Arthur_Belling

There are several writers who have slipped a few notches in my eyes because of their defenses of patently illegal activities by Snowden and narcissistic bullying by Greenwald.

Cole is one of those.

If I remember correctly, Cole has been a fan of Greenwald’s for a while. I thought there was a rumor that Cole was talking with Greenwald about writing for First Look, but that might be my imagination; I don’t think Greenwald’s fans want to read about Cole’s pets, which is like 90% of what he personally writes about anymore.

I know that Soonergrunt and Zandar have been pretty vocal on Twitter about not buying Snowden/Greenwald’s bullshit, and I will give Cole credit for not kicking them off of his blog.

160 jonhendry  May 28, 2014 9:17:53pm

re: #158 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s an outlet, so they might be irregular humans.


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