The Edward Snowden-Oliver Stone Convergence Is Here at Last

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This is absolutely the perfect choice to direct a movie about Edward Snowden — the nuttiest conspiracy-mongering filmmaker in America: Oliver Stone Will Direct Film on Edward Snowden.

The film, produced by longtime Stone partner Moritz Borman, will be based on “The Snowden Files: The Inside Story of the World’s Most Wanted Man,” by Guardian journalist Luke Harding, the Guardian reports. Snowden leaked the documents to Guardian columnist Glenn Greenwald in June 2013.

The film would be Stone’s latest take on a contemporary political issue after pictures like W. and Nixon, and is likely to spawn plenty of controversy.

Oh no, controversy? I’m sure they wouldn’t want that.

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285 comments

1 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 2:26:02pm

Potential Titles

“Dumber and Dumber 2: The Glenn and Ed stories”

2 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 2:26:16pm

Yet another white male in the Snowden saga appears. Weird.

3 iossarian  Jun 2, 2014 2:27:06pm

“Most Want Man”?

Hire moar copy-editors, Time!

4 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2014 2:27:10pm
5 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 2:27:18pm

The Assange movie was such a breakout hit, are they sure the public is ready for another leak movie?

6 Testy Toad T  Jun 2, 2014 2:27:58pm

Coming soon to a basement near you!

7 iossarian  Jun 2, 2014 2:28:01pm

re: #5 Kragar

The Assange movie was such a breakout hit, are they sure the public is ready for another leak movie?

Huge market for leak movies out there, wink wink.

8 jaunte  Jun 2, 2014 2:29:30pm

Tommy Lee Jones in a white wig as an older Julian Assange, climbing the walls of the Ecuadorean Embassy.

9 Shazam  Jun 2, 2014 2:30:21pm

Now they just need to have Aaron Sorkin write it so Snowden can come off as a smooth-talking, witty strategic genius sticking it to the man. If he can do it for Mark Zuckerberg, he can do it for anybody.

10 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 2:30:41pm

re: #7 iossarian

Huge market for leak movies out there, wink wink.

I would have thought after “Taste the Golden Spray” bombed that the market for leak movies was all tapped out.

11 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 2:31:01pm

Even comes with a stripper. Or was that exotic dancer?

12 darthstar  Jun 2, 2014 2:32:04pm

I commented on this earlier:

13 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2014 2:32:17pm

Sure hope that nothing important went missing while Luke Harding was typing up stuff…

14 wrenchwench  Jun 2, 2014 2:32:42pm

Natural Born Killers Liars

15 jaunte  Jun 2, 2014 2:33:09pm

re: #1 Kragar

Potential Titles

“Dumber and Dumber 2: The Glenn and Ed stories”

Hidden Snowden, Crouching Greenwald.

16 Testy Toad T  Jun 2, 2014 2:33:32pm

When I’m looking for EXCITING! ACTION-PACKED! EDGE OF MY SEAT! DRAMA! I tend to look for it in equal parts 1) shakey-cam views of xterm and 2) some pasty-white nerd sitting on his ass at Sheremetyevo.

17 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 2:33:43pm

Great movie for pirating!

18 Dr Lizardo  Jun 2, 2014 2:34:09pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

re: #15 jaunte

The Day of the Jackass.

19 darthstar  Jun 2, 2014 2:34:20pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

Natural Born Killers Liars

The Man With the Golden Thumbdrive #SnowdenSpyMovies

20 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 2:34:25pm

re: #12 darthstar

21 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2014 2:35:19pm

“The Spy Who Bored Me (to tears…)”

22 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 2, 2014 2:35:30pm

re: #18 Dr Lizardo

The Day of the Jackass.

The Liar and the Douchebag. But that would exceed Hollywood honesty quotas.

23 Justanotherhuman  Jun 2, 2014 2:35:40pm

South of the Ring Road.

24 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 2:36:48pm

No chase scenes?

25 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 2:36:51pm

Dr. Sno.

26 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2014 2:37:05pm

I actually like some of Stone’s non-conspiracy films a lot. He’s a talented filmmaker. U Turn was a great movie, for one.

27 Randall Gross  Jun 2, 2014 2:37:45pm

“This is my laptop, this is my thumb, one is for stealing, one is for fun…”

28 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 2:37:52pm
29 Ed E. Lishus  Jun 2, 2014 2:38:27pm

So what is Stone going to do about the Third Act in this story that has yet to play out yet? Snowden finally gets extradited? The NSA is dismantled? Greenwald winning a Pulitzer prize is a pretty disappointing way to end a movie, is all I’m saying.

30 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 2:38:54pm

Snowden gets a movie deal within a year of stealing documents. That’s just like MLK, slavery, and the underground RR.

31 wrenchwench  Jun 2, 2014 2:39:03pm

Tinker, Tailor, Sysadmin, Spy.

32 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 2:39:13pm

12 Years a Douche Bag

33 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 2:39:32pm

re: #32 Gus

12 Years a Knave

34 Ed E. Lishus  Jun 2, 2014 2:40:01pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Right. I just feel like this movie hasn’t “played out” quite yet, if you know what I mean.

I mean, unless we want to get crazy. Hell, maybe throw in a little Putin whisks Snowden away to his secret Russian colony on the moon. That might be a cool movie.

35 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 2:40:45pm

re: #34 Ed E. Lishus

Right. I just feel like this movie hasn’t “played out” quite yet, if you know what I mean.

I mean, unless we want to get crazy. Hell, maybe throw in a little Putin whisks Snowden away to his secret Russian colony on the moon. That might be a cool movie.

“Moonfaker”

36 goddamnedfrank  Jun 2, 2014 2:41:05pm

I don’t disagree with today’s POTUS ruling, but Robert’s language raises a red flag.

Allowing Bond to be prosecuted under a treaty aimed at compounds such as ricin, sarin and mustard gas, Roberts said, would elevate dish detergent, stain remover and vinegar to chemical weapons status.

“Any parent would be guilty of a serious federal offense — possession of a chemical weapon — when, exasperated by the children’s repeated failure to clean the goldfish tank, he considers poisoning the fish with a few drops of vinegar,” he said.

I’m not saying that a parent poisoning their child’s pet is a war crime, but it’s kind of a fucked up, weird, random, pointlessly cruel, side-eye worthy thing for a Supreme Court Justice to readily conjure up as a benign counter example.

37 Jack Burton  Jun 2, 2014 2:41:27pm

To Russia, with Leak

38 jaunte  Jun 2, 2014 2:42:07pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

“Biographical sketches of the Supremes”

39 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2014 2:42:22pm

I admit - I really liked Natural Born Killers too. I was on the road with Al Jarreau around that time and we had a videotape of it on the tour bus - I watched it at least 10 times over the course of a couple of months. The Robert Downey Jr. character is hilarious. The whole movie’s hilarious in a very dark way.

40 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 2, 2014 2:42:47pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

I actually like some of Stone’s non-conspiracy films a lot. He’s a talented filmmaker. U Turn was a great movie, for one.

I’ll not be seeing this movie. Lucky for him (and a few others like Sean Penn and Maria Conchito Alonso) I won’t hold his work hostage to his politics, as so many do. Why toss out the good with the bad?

41 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 2, 2014 2:43:19pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

Tinker, Tailor, Sysadmin, Spy.

Hey! That’s no tailor. //

42 darthstar  Jun 2, 2014 2:43:54pm

The Spy Who Blogged Me

43 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 2, 2014 2:44:20pm

Key for this announcement about Oliver Stone is to see where the money is coming from, and going to. Selling an idea to Stone and getting him to comment positively about it could simply be a lead-in to a money pitch for something that will dry up shortly. And at that point any script or development can be dropped or left incomplete in “development hell”.

If it’s Stone’s money though, then it possibly might go somewhere.

44 Dr Lizardo  Jun 2, 2014 2:44:37pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

I admit - I really liked Natural Born Killers too. I was on the road with Al Jarreau around that time and we had a videotape of it on the tour bus - I watched it at least 10 times over the course of a couple of months. The Robert Downey Jr. character is hilarious. The whole movie’s hilarious in a very dark way.

Natural Born Killers is a good film; I took it as a savage satire of media sensationalism. It came out around the time of Amy Fischer, the ‘Long Island Lolita’ and all that nonsense, and I can recall how that wretched case was elevated into breathless, wall-to-wall media frenzy.

45 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 2:46:22pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

I admit - I really liked Natural Born Killers too. I was on the road with Al Jarreau around that time and we had a videotape of it on the tour bus - I watched it at least 10 times over the course of a couple of months. The Robert Downey Jr. character is hilarious. The whole movie’s hilarious in a very dark way.

I remember seeing it at the base theater in Japan when it came out. Packed house

46 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 2:46:43pm

The Bad, the Stupid and the Ugly

47 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2014 2:47:43pm

I’m guessing that Sarah Palin has no idea that you can scrub pages but the internet is forever.

wayback.archive-it.org

48 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2014 2:47:46pm

The opening was great too - that bizarre sitcom parody with Rodney Dangerfield as an abusive father. Pretty inspired stuff. Quentin Tarantino wrote part (or most, depending on who you believe) of the screenplay.

49 jaunte  Jun 2, 2014 2:48:51pm

re: #43 Feline Fearless Leader

“…Oliver Stone will write and direct a narrative adaptation of “The Snowden Files,” Luke Harding’s nonfiction account of the ongoing scandal surrounding former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden. The news was announced by the Guardian, which is involved with the film. Harding, a reporter for the British newspaper, received strong reviews for his book, with some describing its pacing as akin to that of a spy thriller.”
latimes.com

The Guardian is heavily invested in the Snowden story.

50 jaunte  Jun 2, 2014 2:49:38pm

“Harding and other Guardian journalists will serve as consultants on the movie.”
latimes.com

51 Justanotherhuman  Jun 2, 2014 2:49:55pm

re: #49 jaunte

The Guardian is heavily invested in the Snowden story.

So, The Guardian is admitting it’s biased on the subject?

52 jaunte  Jun 2, 2014 2:50:23pm

re: #51 Justanotherhuman

“Not proved!”

53 Testy Toad T  Jun 2, 2014 2:50:48pm

re: #51 Justanotherhuman

So, The Guardian is admitting it’s biased on the subject?

But it’s a DOCUMENTARY!!!!!1

54 jaunte  Jun 2, 2014 2:52:23pm

Try the Guardian™ brand encryption software!

55 Justanotherhuman  Jun 2, 2014 2:52:48pm

re: #50 jaunte

“Harding and other Guardian journalists will serve as consultants on the movie.”
latimes.com

And does that also mean that Godwald, who will be busy with his hand in the movie based on his own book, will not be one of the “Guardian journalists” mentioned?

56 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2014 2:53:27pm
57 Justanotherhuman  Jun 2, 2014 2:53:45pm

Sounds like a lot of people are going to make a lot of money from theft and treason.

58 dog philosopher  Jun 2, 2014 2:53:46pm

in violation of long standing moral principles, i am drinking diet mountain dew since there is no other form of caffeine available here at the moment

59 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 2:53:56pm

re: #54 jaunte

Try the GuardianTM brand encryption software!

“R-E-A-D M-O-R-E G-R-E-E-N-W-A-L-D”

Fuck their decoder ring.

60 jaunte  Jun 2, 2014 2:54:52pm
Closeups of grinders wreaking havoc on circuit boards. Very drama. Much excite.

Hahahaha

62 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2014 2:56:27pm
63 makeitstop  Jun 2, 2014 2:57:33pm

Straight. To. DVD.

64 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 2:57:45pm

Like most movies. There will only be one black man.

65 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 2:58:02pm

re: #63 makeitstop

Straight. To. DVD.

Screw that, torrent it

66 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 2:58:15pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Politifact: The five Taliban detainees being released from Guantanamo in exchange for captured Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl “are the hardest of the hard-core. These are the highest high-risk people.”

And everyone else should be either tried or freed too. Otherwise the message is: “The US is betraying its own principles for the fear of 500 men”.

67 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2014 2:59:12pm

Oh yeah, this is Luke Harding’s book too - he’s the one who said the NSA was taking over his computer and deleting things as he was typing them.

Another awesome scene in the making.

68 urbanmeemaw  Jun 2, 2014 2:59:38pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

What’s the soundtrack?

69 Testy Toad T  Jun 2, 2014 2:59:49pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

Oh yeah, this is Luke Harding’s book too - he’s the one who said the NSA was taking over his computer and deleting things as he was typing them.

Another awesome scene in the making.

THE DELETE KEY IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE BUILDING!

70 Justanotherhuman  Jun 2, 2014 3:00:29pm

This little factoid was brought up by RT, which shows that the Russians, and their poodles, Wikileaks and Godwald, are probably none too pleased about this turn of events.

“‘The Inside Story of Edward Snowden,’ by Someone Who Never Met or Spoke With Edward Snowden,” Greenwald referred to the Harding’s book in a tweet he sent out back in February. WikiLeaks, who has been among the most adamant supporters of both Snowden and Greenwald in the past, called Harding’s book a “hack job” composed of “unattributed re-writes of press reports.”

rt.com

71 makeitstop  Jun 2, 2014 3:00:45pm

re: #68 urbanmeemaw

What’s the soundtrack?

For the Greenwald scenes? The only thing that would be annoying enough would be Lou Reed’s Metal Machine Music.

72 Killgore Trout  Jun 2, 2014 3:00:57pm

re: #66 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

And everyone else should be either tried or freed too. Otherwise the message is: “The US is betraying its own principles for the fear of 500 men”.

There is some talk that Obama might clear them out but I suppose that would probably have to wait until after midterms.He might just leave them there and let the next president deal with.

73 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 3:01:48pm

So some of them may be dangerous. Deal.

74 Justanotherhuman  Jun 2, 2014 3:01:54pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

Oh yeah, this is Luke Harding’s book too - he’s the one who said the NSA was taking over his computer and deleting things as he was typing them.

Another awesome scene in the making.

Paranoia strikes deep…

75 Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2014 3:02:13pm

Color me schocked.
/
Stone annoys me.
His non political stuff is good.
His political stuff not so much.

76 Killgore Trout  Jun 2, 2014 3:02:17pm

MSNBC: Was the POW swap for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl legal?

When it comes to the legality of the Gitmo transfers however, the president’s Republican critics are correct. The Bergdahl exchange appears to be a situation in which Obama did exactly what he promised he wouldn’t - used a signing statement to disregard a part of a law Congress passed by saying “I don’t agree with that part.”

77 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 3:02:41pm

re: #68 urbanmeemaw

What’s the soundtrack?

Youtube Video

78 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 3:03:03pm

re: #75 Varek Raith

Color me schocked.
/
Stone annoys me.
His non political stuff is good.
His political stuff not so much.

Exact same thing with Michael Moore. (Except he doesn’t do non-political.)

/

79 Testy Toad T  Jun 2, 2014 3:03:25pm

re: #73 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

So some of them may be dangerous. Deal.

I fucking hope they were dangerous, if we’ve been holding them prisoner for half a decade. Holding innocent people without trial does, in fact, seem even a little bit worse.

You know who else is dangerous? A large fraction of the hundreds of thousands of people who complete their sentences and are let out of US prisons every year.

But they’re a different shade of skin, so no biggie.

80 CuriousLurker  Jun 2, 2014 3:03:32pm

So Snowden is a brave hero and Bergdahl is a cowardly traitor, huh? Up is down. Black is white. If I put my hand to a flame today maybe it’ll freeze.

Stop the world, I want to get off.

81 Ed E. Lishus  Jun 2, 2014 3:03:53pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Mostly true

So what’s McCain’s solution? Detain them with no trial until they rot? It seems sussing out whether his statement is mostly true is missing a larger issue.

82 allegro  Jun 2, 2014 3:04:45pm

re: #80 CuriousLurker

So Snowden is a brave hero and Bergdahl is a cowardly traitor, huh? Up is down. Black is white. If I put my hand to a flame today maybe it’ll freeze.

Stop the world, I want to get off.

Every day is Opposite Day in GOPland.

83 piratedan  Jun 2, 2014 3:04:53pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

if not, does that mean we can return John McCain back to the Vietnamese?

84 urbanmeemaw  Jun 2, 2014 3:04:57pm

re: #71 makeitstop

This is kind of a cliche, but how about the Mission Impossible theme? Of course Eddie should steal all the music he wants for the soundtrack and not pay licensing fees…

85 Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2014 3:05:21pm

re: #73 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

So some of them may be dangerous. Deal.

And if they go back to being bad, well, we have drones.

86 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 3:06:01pm

I know that we shouldn’t look to the pop culture for answers to most issues, but the concept of pre-crime has been dealt with nicely by Spielberg.

87 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2014 3:06:01pm
88 Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2014 3:06:45pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

That one still cracks me up.

89 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 3:06:50pm

90 Testy Toad T  Jun 2, 2014 3:07:30pm

re: #88 Varek Raith

That one still cracks me up.

Fucking computers: how do they work?

Fucking investigation: how does it work?

I bet he never even disabled the network connection.

91 Killgore Trout  Jun 2, 2014 3:08:27pm

re: #81 Ed E. Lishus

So what’s McCain’s solution? Detain them with no trial until they rot? It seems sussing out whether his statement is mostly true is missing a larger issue.

politico.com

“I would not have made this deal. I would have done everything in my power to repatriate him and I would have done everything I possibly could. But I would not have put the lives of American servicemen at risk in the future,”

He doesn’t go into specifics on what his alternative would be

92 Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2014 3:10:14pm

re: #90 Testy Toad T

Fucking computers: how do they work?

Fucking investigation: how does it work?

I bet he never even disabled the network connection.

I bet ya he had the insert key on.

93 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 3:10:22pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

94 Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2014 3:10:35pm

re: #89 Gus

[Embedded image]

That’s a real good one.

95 jaunte  Jun 2, 2014 3:10:37pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

I would not have put the lives of American servicemen at risk in the future

This sort of magical statement is not connected with the reality of being President.

96 Testy Toad T  Jun 2, 2014 3:10:57pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

He doesn’t go into specifics on what his alternative would be

“Doesn’t go into specifics” is code for “there is literally no plan”.

“Everything in my power”, pah. No emptier words have ever been spoken. “Would not put lives of servicemen at risk”, my ass. There’s risk even flying the C-130 out there to pick him up. What if it’s an ambush?

The words ring hollow because they are.

97 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 3:10:58pm

re: #92 Varek Raith

I bet ya he had the insert key on.

And his space bar was stuck.

98 MomSense  Jun 2, 2014 3:12:38pm

Mission Implausible

99 piratedan  Jun 2, 2014 3:13:16pm

re: #98 MomSense

I would have wiggumed it as Mission Unpossible

100 Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2014 3:13:28pm

My mouse sometimes stops responding.
It’s clearly the NSA and not a damaged USB port.
Hells no.

101 Jack Burton  Jun 2, 2014 3:13:45pm

Dudebros are Forever

102 Killgore Trout  Jun 2, 2014 3:13:50pm

re: #96 Testy Toad T

“Doesn’t go into specifics” is code for “there is literally no plan”.

“Everything in my power”, pah. No emptier words have ever been spoken. “Would not put lives of servicemen at risk”, my ass. There’s risk even flying the C-130 out there to pick him up. What if it’s an ambush?

The words ring hollow because they are.

He seems to hint that he might launch search and rescue missions. In terms of risk to American lives I would think that would result in more casualties than the prisoner release. We’re going to be out of Afghanistan by the time these guys get back to work. They might kill thousands of Pakistanis and Afghans but I don’t think they’ll kill many Americans.

103 Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2014 3:14:05pm

re: #98 MomSense

re: #99 piratedan

Going to hell for this one…
Image: m0C3voz.png

104 jaunte  Jun 2, 2014 3:14:17pm

re: #100 Varek Raith

Just turn the whole Defense Department off and restart.

105 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 3:15:11pm

re: #100 Varek Raith

My mouse sometimes stops responding.
It’s clearly the NSA and not a damaged USB port.
Hells no.

cabinetmagazine.org

106 Jack Burton  Jun 2, 2014 3:15:35pm

Dudebro, Where’s My Files?

107 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 3:16:26pm

108 MomSense  Jun 2, 2014 3:16:39pm

re: #99 piratedan

Much better!!

re: #103 Varek Raith

Perfect!!

109 sattv4u2  Jun 2, 2014 3:16:59pm

re: #106 Jack Burton

Dudebro, Where’s My Files?

It’s spring

They’ll be here soon!!

Oh ,, you typed FILES ,,, I thought you said FLIES !!!!

110 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 2, 2014 3:17:11pm

Can’t wait to see who’s going to play Greenwald.

111 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 2, 2014 3:17:24pm

Lord of the Files

112 Ed E. Lishus  Jun 2, 2014 3:17:28pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Right. So McCain is blustering here, and he’s simply selling a dubious point for political gain.

113 jaunte  Jun 2, 2014 3:18:06pm

re: #110 Eclectic Cyborg

Adam Sandler.

114 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 3:18:48pm

Two Guys in Trouble (to Say Nothing of Greenwald).

115 Justanotherhuman  Jun 2, 2014 3:18:49pm

re: #110 Eclectic Cyborg

Can’t wait to see who’s going to play Greenwald.

I’d almost bet you my SS check Greenwald won’t be in the Stone movie.

116 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2014 3:19:11pm

Remember though, this isn’t the Greenwald movie. There are actually going to be TWO movies about this mess.

117 klys  Jun 2, 2014 3:19:32pm

re: #96 Testy Toad T

“Doesn’t go into specifics” is code for “there is literally no plan”.

“Everything in my power”, pah. No emptier words have ever been spoken. “Would not put lives of servicemen at risk”, my ass. There’s risk even flying the C-130 out there to pick him up. What if it’s an ambush?

The words ring hollow because they are.

It’s the politician’s version of concern trolling.

118 Randall Gross  Jun 2, 2014 3:19:57pm

re: #115 Justanotherhuman

I’d almost bet you my SS check Greenwald won’t be in the Stone movie.

Greenwald & Stone are friends, hang out a lot when in same city.

119 Kid A  Jun 2, 2014 3:20:49pm

So along with the entire wingnutosphere in unison about the released prisoner, has anyone else noticed that last week at least four GOP parrots (Buckshot Cheney being the most recognizable) squawked the latest about “as I tour throughout the Middle East, I constantly hear America has lost her standing; when will America lead?” nonsense. I love how they never identify anyone as well. These fucksticks, I tell you.

120 Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2014 3:21:13pm

re: #105 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

cabinetmagazine.org

That was most interesting.

121 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 3:21:26pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

Remember though, this isn’t the Greenwald movie. There are actually going to be TWO movies about this mess.

So its like “Dante’s Peak” and “Volcano” or “Armageddon” and “Deep Impact”

122 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 2, 2014 3:22:42pm

From Russia With Love.

123 Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2014 3:22:45pm

re: #121 Kragar

So its like “Dante’s Peak” and “Volcano” or “Armageddon” and “Deep Impact”

Dante’s Peak and Deep Impact win that one.

124 Justanotherhuman  Jun 2, 2014 3:22:55pm

re: #118 Randall Gross

Greenwald & Stone are friends, hang out a lot when in same city.

Yeah, but bidness is bidness. Competing movies. Both with different viewpoints and one in which Snowden only plays a minor role while the “hero” is Greenwald himself.

Eh, both will probably go straight to DVD anyway. : )

125 Jack Burton  Jun 2, 2014 3:23:09pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

Remember though, this isn’t the Greenwald movie. There are actually going to be TWO movies about this mess.

When is The Asylum going to jump on this with a Mockbuster?

126 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 3:23:48pm

re: #123 Varek Raith

Dante’s Peak and Deep Impact win that one.

Sorry, but I still want to slap the dumb ass granny in Dante’s Peak, for getting out of the boat for no real fucking reason.

127 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 3:23:49pm

re: #120 Varek Raith

That was most interesting.

I take it from your tone, you’re going to build one…

128 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 3:24:05pm

Snowdenado?

129 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 3:24:08pm

re: #125 Jack Burton

When is The Asylum going to jump on this with a Mockbuster?

SNOWDENADO!

130 Randall Gross  Jun 2, 2014 3:24:09pm

Welp, I better go watch GoT before I catch a spoiler…

131 Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2014 3:24:51pm

re: #126 Kragar

Sorry, but I still want to slap the dumb ass granny in Dante’s Peak, for getting out of the boat for no real fucking reason.

True, but compared to Volcano…
*Shudders*

132 Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2014 3:25:34pm

re: #130 Randall Gross

Welp, I better go watch GoT before I catch a spoiler…

Everyone dies, gets resurrected, then die again.
Also, dying.

133 thedopefishlives  Jun 2, 2014 3:25:55pm

Evening Lizardim from the warm and breezy wild north country. So I had a hearty LOL on my way home from work - beautiful sunny day… Warm breeze out of the west… Some douchecanoe on a footbridge over I-94 with an “Impeach Obama” sign and a “Don’t tread on me” flag. Good times were had by all. How go things among the lizardfolk?

134 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 3:28:04pm

I suppose “Deep Star Six” and “Leviathan” might be better examples

135 Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2014 3:28:23pm

You know what I remember most from Volcano?
The projector caught fire a quarter of the way through and we had to come back the next day to finish it.

136 Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2014 3:28:38pm

re: #134 Kragar

I suppose “Deep Star Six” and “Leviathan” might be better examples

Indeed.

137 Jack Burton  Jun 2, 2014 3:28:44pm

re: #134 Kragar

I suppose “Deep Star Six” and “Leviathan” might be better examples

The Abyss

138 Justanotherhuman  Jun 2, 2014 3:29:16pm

Intel vice president is among victims in Mount Rainier fall, company says - @mercnews
Read more on mercurynews.com

139 Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2014 3:29:53pm

re: #137 Jack Burton

The Abyss

Apples and oranges.
;)

140 Killgore Trout  Jun 2, 2014 3:31:21pm

re: #96 Testy Toad T

“Doesn’t go into specifics” is code for “there is literally no plan”.

“Everything in my power”, pah. No emptier words have ever been spoken. “Would not put lives of servicemen at risk”, my ass. There’s risk even flying the C-130 out there to pick him up. What if it’s an ambush?

The words ring hollow because they are.

Probably. From what I read yesterday they knew he was being held in Pakistan and had good enough intel to direct drone strikes away from his postion. He was held closely to high value taliban leaders and plenty of fighters. If you think about it rescue mission would be a a hell of a lot riskier than the bin laden raid. I don’t think it was practical.

141 Killgore Trout  Jun 2, 2014 3:32:03pm

re: #130 Randall Gross

Welp, I better go watch GoT before I catch a spoiler…

Great episode, enjoy.

142 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 3:34:09pm
143 sattv4u2  Jun 2, 2014 3:35:36pm

re: #142 Kragar

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TRANSLATION

We’re waiting for the check to clear the bank

144 dog philosopher  Jun 2, 2014 3:39:53pm

re: #105 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

cabinetmagazine.org

most interesting i say holmes what?

145 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 3:45:11pm

That is one visually rich tumblr:

magictransistor.tumblr.com

146 Jack Burton  Jun 2, 2014 3:46:35pm

Posts with embedded tweets are just showing up as text to me. I made sure ghostery/disconnect/etc is off and it’s still doing it. Anyone else have the same problem right now?

147 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 3:48:50pm

re: #146 Jack Burton

Not me.

148 ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2014 3:49:48pm

re: #75 Varek Raith

Color me schocked.
/
Stone annoys me.
His non political stuff is good.
His political stuff not so much.

I always look at them as films. I never let Stone teach history. That is due to him having such a warped view of it. He is a nutter, early example, and with the backing to make films.

149 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 3:50:31pm
150 dog philosopher  Jun 2, 2014 3:50:43pm

re: #105 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

cabinetmagazine.org

The psychiatrist Hans Prinzhorn began collecting for his famous Museum of Pathological Art the same year that Tausk published his essay (within a year Prinzhorn had acquired forty-five hundred works, which are currently housed in the Psychiatric University Hospital in Heidelberg, Germany). One of these images illustrates an Influencing Machine in strikingly graphic form. The artist was Jakob Mohr, a farmer and hawker suffering from paranoid schizophrenia, and his picture shows someone holding a small box which resembles an old-fashioned camera and transmits something like static at its victim. The structural workings of the contraption are explained in a palimpsest of scribbled notes, which Prinzhorn called “word salad.” The operator, who is thought to be the psychiatrist (he wears headphones so that he can listen in on Mohr’s thoughts), aims a radiation tube at his subject that emits “electric waves” and renders him a “hypnotic slave.” The machine’s energy flows two ways—it is a magnet as well as a gun: “Waves are pulled out of me,” Mohr scrawled, “through the positive electrical fluorescent attraction of the organic positive pole as the remote hypnotizer through the earth.” The appliance’s malevolent power over Mohr is illustrated by a series of childishly drawn arrows and wavy tentacles which unite both men in a painful-looking spasm of electricity.


151 dog philosopher  Jun 2, 2014 3:51:48pm

re: #146 Jack Burton

Posts with embedded tweets are just showing up as text to me. I made sure ghostery/disconnect/etc is off and it’s still doing it. Anyone else have the same problem right now?

it could be that you are in a corporate lan that doesn’t allow ‘social media’

152 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 3:52:10pm

re: #150 dog philosopher

;)

153 Jack Burton  Jun 2, 2014 3:54:22pm

re: #151 dog philosopher

it could be that you are in a corporate lan that doesn’t allow ‘social media’

I’m the administrator and basically the whole internal IT department, so I’m pretty sure I didn’t block me from using twitter ;)

In the past when this has happened its generally Ghostery, Disconnect, Collusion or some similar extension for Chrome, and on rare occasions Twitter was b0rked or Charles was working on something.

154 b.d.  Jun 2, 2014 3:54:56pm

I hope Stone can work Hugo Chavez into the story somehow.

//

155 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 3:55:39pm
156 Jack Burton  Jun 2, 2014 3:56:37pm

I hope it’s like Star Wars: Episode W…

Where Stone shows that it was actually Yoda who ordered the destruction of Alderaan, conspiring with LBJ and the Miami Cosa Nostra.

157 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 3:57:19pm

re: #156 Jack Burton

Would’ve been cool tho.

158 Belafon  Jun 2, 2014 4:01:51pm

re: #154 b.d.

Or maybe Scott Fistler Cesar Chavez, the Republican Democratic candidate in Arizona. talkingpointsmemo.com

Winning quote:

There is just simply not enough Cesar Chavez to go around

159 Justanotherhuman  Jun 2, 2014 4:02:06pm

In 7 yrs, even $15/hr won’t be a living wage.

Seattle City Council approves plan to phase in a $15 minimum wage over the next 7 years - @seattletimes
Read more on seattletimes.com

160 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 2, 2014 4:04:35pm

re: #156 Jack Burton

I hope it’s like Star Wars: Episode W…

Where Stone shows that it was actually Yoda who ordered the destruction of Alderaan, conspiring with LBJ and the Miami Cosa Nostra.

Never know what hit them, those bastards will.”

161 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 2, 2014 4:05:19pm

re: #159 Justanotherhuman

In 7 yrs, even $15/hr won’t be a living wage.

Seattle City Council approves plan to phase in a $15 minimum wage over the next 7 years - @seattletimes
Read more on seattletimes.com

Doesn’t think work out to an annual raise of about $1/yr for the next seven years?

162 Killgore Trout  Jun 2, 2014 4:10:07pm

FBI: Terror suspect wanted to kill returning soldiers

On Saturday afternoon, FBI agents and members of the agency’s Joint Terrorism Task Force arrested Elfgeeh in the parking lot of a Walmart in Rochester, N.Y. They allege that he’d planned to buy firearms and he wanted to use them to kill returning American troops as well as Shiite Muslims living in the Rochester area.

163 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 2, 2014 4:12:53pm

Foul Glenn and The Snowden

164 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 2, 2014 4:13:50pm

Charles, I have a saved Page feature suggestion now that a few days or even a week could pass before publication. Sometimes events make a Page irrelevant or undesired before publication. I don’t see a delete option for us at that point. I have one in there that I would remove and not take up space with.

165 Justanotherhuman  Jun 2, 2014 4:15:19pm

re: #161 Eclectic Cyborg

Doesn’t think work out to an annual raise of about $1/yr for the next seven years?

It’s Seattle. Not like you can find a $600/mo apt easily. Those are hard to find around here, even in NC.

Even assuming you get 40 hrs/wk, that’s $600 before taxes, and you have utilities, transportation, clothing, medical, etc to pay, and if you have a kid or 2, it’s even harder since you might have to pay daycare, too. At that amt, you might not not be eligible for food stamps or Medicaid, either, if there is any other income, like a spouse working a similar job.

The working poor are damned if they do, and damned if they don’t.

All of it depends on location, which is why some localities and states are raising their own minimum wages.

166 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 2, 2014 4:17:08pm

re: #68 urbanmeemaw

What’s the soundtrack?

Got it.

pond5.com

167 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 2, 2014 4:21:38pm

[posted without reading the entire thread]

168 Lidane  Jun 2, 2014 4:22:27pm

*sigh*

169 sattv4u2  Jun 2, 2014 4:22:37pm

re: #167 Pie-onist Overlord

Already done!!!

littlegreenfootballs.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

170 thedopefishlives  Jun 2, 2014 4:22:59pm

re: #168 Lidane

*sigh*

[Embedded content]

AAAUUUUGGGGGGHHHH!

171 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 4:23:37pm

172 Lidane  Jun 2, 2014 4:24:15pm

That sound you hear is TCOT flipping their collective shit. Again.

173 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 2, 2014 4:25:13pm

re: #172 Lidane

I think TCOT types already consider most of the West coast a lost cause.

174 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 2, 2014 4:26:55pm

re: #10 Kragar

I would have thought after “Taste the Golden Spray” bombed that the market for leak movies was all tapped out.

Well, that escalated quickly.

RBS

175 Lidane  Jun 2, 2014 4:28:45pm

re: #173 Eclectic Cyborg

I think TCOT types already consider most of the West coast a lost cause.

Oh, the West Coast is a lost cause. Making memes about a $15/hr minimum wage, OTOH, should keep them busy a while.

176 dr. luba  Jun 2, 2014 4:29:02pm

re: #78 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Exact same thing with Michael Moore. (Except he doesn’t do non-political.)

/

I guess this means you’ve never seen “Canadian Bacon.”

177 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 2, 2014 4:29:57pm

re: #176 dr. luba

I guess this means you’ve never seen “Canadian Bacon.”

You had to go and ruin that already poor joke. Now its children are orphans :(

178 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 4:31:05pm

re: #176 dr. luba

I guess this means you’ve never seen “Canadian Bacon.”

I still think it was a funny movie.

“Sir, Omega Force has never been sanctioned for use against Caucasians.”

179 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2014 4:32:15pm

re: #168 Lidane

*sigh*

[Embedded content]

The freakout is very similar to the Gary Powers prisoner swap.

180 TedStriker  Jun 2, 2014 4:33:24pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

I actually like some of Stone’s non-conspiracy films a lot. He’s a talented filmmaker. U Turn was a great movie, for one.

The bulk of his work is at least pretty decent and most of those are pretty good: Platoon, Born of the Fourth of July, Natural Born Killers, The Doors, Nixon, World Trade Center, Wall Street (WS: Money Never Sleeps was decent but not up to the standards of the original).

However, some of Stone’s movies are either chock full of CTs or his personal political leanings (JFK, Comadante, Looking for Fidel) or just plain fucking sucked (WTH was he thinking about with Any Given Sunday?; Jamie Foxx, Al Pacino, and the rest of a pretty good cast were just wasted on that turd).

181 Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2014 4:36:09pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

Remember though, this isn’t the Greenwald movie. There are actually going to be TWO movies about this mess.

Possibly seeing 3 movies. Wasn’t Poitras working on one since day one as her ‘special contribution’?

182 Skip Intro  Jun 2, 2014 4:36:30pm

Hoo-boy.

Homeschooling expert: Sex-ed is a liberal plot — make kids watch guinea pigs do it instead

A conservative activist, who has been billed as a homeschooling expert by tea party groups, warned over the weekend that sex-ed courses were a plot to increase the number of Democratic voters by destroying marriages.

“Well, we had a boy and a girl guinea pig that clearly liked each other,” Holsten said. “You really couldn’t see anything because they’re big, furry little fuzzball things. I mean, that’s why there isn’t guinea pig porn movies.”

rawstory.com

183 thedopefishlives  Jun 2, 2014 4:37:32pm

re: #182 Skip Intro

The derpy look on her face is classic.

184 Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2014 4:38:04pm

re: #182 Skip Intro

Hoo-boy.

Homeschooling expert: Sex-ed is a liberal plot — make kids watch guinea pigs do it instead

[Embedded image]

rawstory.com

Do you know how hard it is to get a guinea pig to use one of those tiny condoms?

185 Stanley Sea  Jun 2, 2014 4:38:53pm

re: #181 Decatur Deb

Hey, how’ya feeling?

186 CuriousLurker  Jun 2, 2014 4:39:04pm

re: #181 Decatur Deb

Possibly seeing 3 movies. Wasn’t Poitras working on one since day one as her ‘special contribution’?

Glad you’re back and sorry to hear about your kidney stones. Hope you’re feeling better today. {{DD}}

187 TedStriker  Jun 2, 2014 4:39:56pm

re: #183 thedopefishlives

The derpy look on her face is classic.

Crazy eyes….

188 thedopefishlives  Jun 2, 2014 4:40:00pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

Do you know how hard it is to get a guinea pig to use one of those tiny condoms?

You don’t teach kids about BIRTH CONTROL!!!! They might actually go out and have SEX!

189 CuriousLurker  Jun 2, 2014 4:40:19pm

re: #185 Stanley Sea

Hey, how’ya feeling?

Apparently he’s back to his old self (guinea pig condoms). LOL

190 Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2014 4:41:27pm

Day’s news from Buddy’s Bucolic Brake, Transmission and Lithotripsy Service:

Everything came out in the end.

191 Kragar  Jun 2, 2014 4:41:53pm

re: #182 Skip Intro

Hoo-boy.

Homeschooling expert: Sex-ed is a liberal plot — make kids watch guinea pigs do it instead

[Embedded image]

“Well, we had a boy and a girl guinea pig that clearly liked each other,” Holsten said. “You really couldn’t see anything because they’re big, furry little fuzzball things. I mean, that’s why there isn’t guinea pig porn movies.”

rawstory.com

The daily show clip is great.

“So what this girl was doing is a felony? A misdemeanor?”

192 Skip Intro  Jun 2, 2014 4:42:38pm

re: #187 TedStriker

Crazy eyes….

Bachmann eyes.

193 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 4:44:30pm

194 Stanley Sea  Jun 2, 2014 4:45:21pm
195 Dr Lizardo  Jun 2, 2014 4:46:39pm

And goodnight, LIzards.

196 Lidane  Jun 2, 2014 4:47:34pm
197 CuriousLurker  Jun 2, 2014 4:48:24pm

re: #193 Gus

You’re starting to scare me. //

That B&W Alfred E,. Neuman version of Snowden was beyond creepy, but I think this one is even worse…

198 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 4:50:18pm

re: #197 CuriousLurker

You’re starting to scare me. //

That B&W Alfred E,. Neuman version of Snowden was beyond creepy, but I think this one is even worse…

199 Skip Intro  Jun 2, 2014 4:51:28pm

re: #193 Gus

Can you do one like that with both her and the Bachmanns watching guinea pigs mating?

That would be awesome, and educational too.

200 Lidane  Jun 2, 2014 4:51:32pm

Having my first soda in ages. I’ve gotten so used to drinking water, coffee, and tea lately that I’d forgotten I liked soft drinks.

201 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 4:53:49pm

202 thedopefishlives  Jun 2, 2014 4:54:25pm

re: #201 Gus

Now you’re just getting carried away.

203 CuriousLurker  Jun 2, 2014 4:54:42pm
204 b_sharp  Jun 2, 2014 4:55:14pm

re: #190 Decatur Deb

Day’s news from Buddy’s Bucolic Brake, Transmission and Lithotripsy Service:

Everything came out in the end.

Good stuff.

time to get pissed.

205 b_sharp  Jun 2, 2014 4:55:40pm

re: #193 Gus

[Embedded image]

Did you have to?

Uggg…ly.

206 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 4:55:50pm

re: #203 CuriousLurker

Creepy!!!

Hey! You win! Now I won’t be able to sleep tonight! :P

207 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2014 4:58:02pm
208 Killgore Trout  Jun 2, 2014 4:58:31pm

There are now rumours, courtesy of Fox and Weekly Standard that Bergdahl may have initially left as a willing collaborator for the Taliban. Even if that’s true I’m not sure it changes much. He still needed to be recovered and it does appear that he was no longer voluntarily staying with the Taliban.

209 CuriousLurker  Jun 2, 2014 5:02:35pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

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Seconded. I’ve been staying off Twitter because of the rumor mongering. I don’t have a lot of followers, but I’m blocking any who Tweet that shit at this point. It was too on cue, y’know? The minute the deal was announced the sliming began.

210 Killgore Trout  Jun 2, 2014 5:02:53pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

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I’m really suspicious too. Not only because it’s a Fox news exclusive but, if true, what in the hell would the White house be thinking? Surely this is something that would come out, why not preempt it with some kind of statement like “the guy made some mistakes but it’s our obligation…etc”. It would seem to be a very stupid self inflicted political wound.

211 Lidane  Jun 2, 2014 5:04:58pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

I always assume that anything coming from the RWNJs is bullshit until proven otherwise.

212 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:06:59pm
213 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:07:20pm

Oops. Wrong pic.

214 thedopefishlives  Jun 2, 2014 5:09:37pm

re: #213 Gus

Oops. Wrong pic.

Still funny as hell, though.

215 Killgore Trout  Jun 2, 2014 5:10:55pm

For father of released POW, growing a beard and studying captors defined the years

Bob Henley, former pastor at the Presbyterian Church of the Big Wood, which the Bergdahls attended, recalled how friends periodically would ask Bergdahl if he hadn’t crossed some line, if he hadn’t succumbed to some form of Stockholm syndrome.

“He was very cognizant of that possibility. He never resented it when that came up,” Henley said.

But Bergdahl assured his friends he was just trying to understand his son’s captors, doing whatever he could to ensure his son’s release. “I guess you really had to be in his shoes,” Henley said.

Bergdahl, who has declined to talk with the media, has said he grew his beard as a chronology marking the time that his son was missing. But, Henley said, Bergdahl also did it in a bid to win any small measure of sympathy from his son’s captors.

216 EPR-radar  Jun 2, 2014 5:11:11pm

re: #211 Lidane

I always assume that anything coming from the RWNJs is bullshit until proven otherwise.

Sound rule. In fact, I’m hard pressed to remember the last time there was even a tiny sliver of truth in a RWNJ (or even GOP) talking point.

217 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:12:26pm

re: #214 thedopefishlives

Still funny as hell, though.

Fix-ed-it.

218 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:13:10pm

I’m curious as to what we get out of knowing about his father at this point. Seems irrelevant now.

219 thedopefishlives  Jun 2, 2014 5:16:50pm

re: #218 Gus

I’m curious as to what we get out of knowing about his father at this point. Seems irrelevant now.

Slow news day.

220 Killgore Trout  Jun 2, 2014 5:16:52pm

re: #218 Gus

I’m curious as to what we get out of knowing about his father at this point. Seems irrelevant now.

There’s been a lot of speculation, I think that’s a reasonable article that puts a lot of the rumors to rest. The beard, the tweets, etc. It was his way of coping and trying to win sympathy of his son’s captors.

221 b.d.  Jun 2, 2014 5:16:56pm

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE

222 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:16:58pm

What’s happened to the Daily Caller?

223 Lidane  Jun 2, 2014 5:18:38pm
224 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2014 5:20:23pm
225 A Mom Anon  Jun 2, 2014 5:20:40pm

re: #219 thedopefishlives

No, what they’re doing is placing doubts in people’s minds about not only the soldier but his father too. He looks “foreign” with his beard and understanding the language, and they’re using that to paint the picture they want painted. I really hope this family doesn’t have to endure a bunch of shit because of wingnuts and their idiot media.

226 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 2, 2014 5:20:58pm

re: #218 Gus

I’m curious as to what we get out of knowing about his father at this point. Seems irrelevant now.

People are obsessing about this trade because Obama made it. Prisoner exchange is an incredibly old tradition, the Israeli’s do it, and that it went down is actually a sign of more normal warfare. The Taliban definitely has terroristic arms to it, but it’s important to not lose sight of the fact that many Taliban groups are actual fighters, guys who openly proclaim their allegiance and fight, in the field against other soldiers. Their cause is awful, but pretending all of them are terrorists starts the very, very dangerous reassignment of all guerilla forces to ‘terrorist’ status.

The idea that this is going to embolden the Taliban into capturing more US soldiers is just fatuous. As if they didn’t already have all the motivation in the world to kill or capture US soldiers? This is like people who think that the death sentence deters gangsters, who face life-and-death situations all the time.

So this family isn’t going to get the peace they deserve, they’re going to be investigated, what this poor bastard went through and where his mind is at now is going to be splashed all over the front pages, because people have a problem with Obama or have some need to ignore reality and brand all of the Taliban terrorists.

227 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:21:16pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

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1,027

228 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2014 5:22:35pm
229 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:23:49pm

re: #228 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

“280 of these served life sentences for planning and perpetrating various terror attacks against Israeli targets.”

en.wikipedia.org

230 Bulworth  Jun 2, 2014 5:24:21pm

Republicans demand hearings over freeing of American soldier held as prisoner of war for five years in Afghanistan. They sound nice.

news.yahoo.com

231 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:25:48pm

Why do you hate Israel?

//

232 CuriousLurker  Jun 2, 2014 5:26:07pm

re: #225 A Mom Anon

No, what they’re doing is placing doubts in people’s minds about not only the soldier but his father too. He looks “foreign” with his beard and understanding the language, and they’re using that to paint the picture they want painted. I really hope this family doesn’t have to endure a bunch of shit because of wingnuts and their idiot media.

The father didn’t react with hatred & venom. Apparently some people can’t fathom such a thing.

233 Bulworth  Jun 2, 2014 5:26:07pm

re: #218 Gus

I’m curious as to what we get out of knowing about his father at this point. Seems irrelevant now.

We just have kestions!! And Konserns!!! What’s he hiding??

234 b.d.  Jun 2, 2014 5:28:49pm

Obama should now just drop the mic, go put his feet up in Hawaii, and hand this deal off to Biden.

//

235 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 2, 2014 5:29:25pm

re: #182 Skip Intro

Hoo-boy.

Homeschooling expert: Sex-ed is a liberal plot — make kids watch guinea pigs do it instead

[Embedded image]

“Well, we had a boy and a girl guinea pig that clearly liked each other,” Holsten said. “You really couldn’t see anything because they’re big, furry little fuzzball things. I mean, that’s why there isn’t guinea pig porn movies.”

rawstory.com

Consider this statement in light of Rule 34. (And, no, I’m not going out looking, I spent a lot of money getting my cataract removed and a great plastic lens put in…. I’m not going to risk frying it.)

RBS

236 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:30:25pm

Bergdahl does look like a “foreign soundin’” name at first glance.

Rowe Bergdahli!

237 Skip Intro  Jun 2, 2014 5:32:13pm

TX school board official sorry for freaking out about Muslim getting elected as her colleague

According to WFAA, Place 5 representative Jo Lynn Haussmann posted the following on her Facebook page last week:

Do you realize because SO FEW voters took the time and responsibility to VOTE in the municipal elections - YOU NOW HAVE A ‘MUSLIM’ on the City Council!!! What A SHAME!!!!

She also was a Romney supporter, because it would be better to have a Mormon President instead of a Muslim one.

rawstory.com

238 b.d.  Jun 2, 2014 5:33:56pm

LOOKS LIKE A VERY CLASSY AFFAIR.

239 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2014 5:34:18pm
240 Skip Intro  Jun 2, 2014 5:34:48pm

re: #235 RealityBasedSteve

Consider this statement in light of Rule 34. (And, no, I’m not going out looking, I spent a lot of money getting my cataract removed and a great plastic lens put in…. I’m not going to risk frying it.)

RBS

I could post one if anyone likes. Still, I think kids are going to be confused over how human sex works if this is their model.

241 b.d.  Jun 2, 2014 5:37:00pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

Won’t be long before the wingnuts demand that Bergdahl be assigned one of those newly opened bunks in Cuba.

242 dog philosopher  Jun 2, 2014 5:38:40pm

bergdahl

fact is gop is casting around for the ‘midterms ‘14’ issue that has resonance, and they can’t tell which one it will be until they hit one that rings like a bell

it wasn’t benghazi, and it wasn’t the va, and this week they’re trying out bergdahl

243 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 2, 2014 5:38:56pm

re: #237 Skip Intro

TX school board official sorry for freaking out about Muslim getting elected as her colleague

[Embedded image]

According to WFAA, Place 5 representative Jo Lynn Haussmann posted the following on her Facebook page last week:

Do you realize because SO FEW voters took the time and responsibility to VOTE in the municipal elections - YOU NOW HAVE A ‘MUSLIM’ on the City Council!!! What A SHAME!!!!

She also was a Romney supporter, because it would be better to have a Mormon President instead of a Muslim one.

rawstory.com

I love the totally inappropriate use of ‘SCARE QUOTES’ and CAPS LOCK on the word Muslim. It’s like a sign I saw once at a restaurant, ‘Fresh’ Fish. I decided to have the chicken instead.

Really what is up with some of these people. Are they totally without any reflective ability at all? Are they so convinced of their superiority that any perceived threat to it is treated as the end of the world? ///rhetorical_questions

244 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 2, 2014 5:39:43pm

re: #240 Skip Intro

I could post one if anyone likes. Still, I think kids are going to be confused over how human sex works if this is their model.

give me your PayPal acct name… I’ll make it worth your while to NEVER post it.

RBS

245 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:41:57pm

PJ Media in January encouraging people to sign a petition for the White House to secure the release of Bergdahl by ANY means necessary. Including mentioning the possible trade of 5 Taliban GITMO detainees.

246 Skip Intro  Jun 2, 2014 5:44:02pm

re: #243 RealityBasedSteve

I love the totally inappropriate use of ‘SCARE QUOTES’ and CAPS LOCK on the word Muslim. It’s like a sign I saw once at a restaurant, ‘Fresh’ Fish. I decided to have the chicken instead.

Really what is up with some of these people. Are they totally without any reflective ability at all? Are they so convinced of their superiority that any perceived threat to it is treated as the end of the world? ///rhetorical_questions

The funny thing is that the only reason this loon got elected is because ‘SO FEW voters took the time and responsibility to VOTE in the municipal elections’, so now you have a crazy woman on the school board.

247 dog philosopher  Jun 2, 2014 5:44:13pm

re: #245 Gus

PJ Media in January encouraging people to sign a petition for the White House to secure the release of Bergdahl by ANY means necessary. Including mentioning the possible trade of 5 Taliban GITMO detainees.

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you’re doing that “remembering things that happened in the past” thing again aren’t you

248 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:45:21pm

re: #247 dog philosopher

you’re doing that “remembering things that happened in the past” thing again aren’t you

Also. H/T Charles. Tweeted yesterday.

249 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:46:08pm
250 b.d.  Jun 2, 2014 5:46:30pm

re: #245 Gus

THAT’S DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF……..OBAMA…….BENGHAZI….COALGHAZIGATE!!!11!

251 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2014 5:46:56pm

re: #164 Rightwingconspirator

Charles, I have a saved Page feature suggestion now that a few days or even a week could pass before publication. Sometimes events make a Page irrelevant or undesired before publication. I don’t see a delete option for us at that point. I have one in there that I would remove and not take up space with.

Are you referring to a scheduled page?

Right now, once you schedule it, the page gets published at that time and you can’t change it.

But it’s on the to-do list to have some way of editing scheduled pages.

252 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 2, 2014 5:47:11pm

re: #245 Gus

Good job Gus. Let’s not let the RWNJs control the narrative. Hold them to their positions and statements. Don’t let the SOBs weasel, obfuscate or black-hole the truth, that the outrage is purely manufactured for the sole purpose of whipping up their base.

RBS

253 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:48:14pm

re: #252 RealityBasedSteve

Good job Gus. Let’s not let the RWNJs control the narrative. Hold them to their positions and statements. Don’t let the SOBs weasel, obfuscate or black-hole the truth, that the outrage is purely manufactured for the sole purpose of whipping up their base.

RBS

Like I said. Got the tip from Charles but tanks.

254 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:48:33pm
255 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:49:01pm

Who got it from nomoremister… who got it from… //

256 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:49:21pm

Forgot about this.

257 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2014 5:50:13pm

re: #249 Gus

Blatant hypocrisy. Would make a great page.

258 makeitstop  Jun 2, 2014 5:54:15pm

re: #245 Gus

PJ Media in January encouraging people to sign a petition for the White House to secure the release of Bergdahl by ANY means necessary. Including mentioning the possible trade of 5 Taliban GITMO detainees.

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Fuckers.
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259 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2014 5:55:16pm

re: #245 Gus

That’s this year. Amazing how they can spin on a dime without hypocrisy whiplash.

260 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:56:10pm

re: #257 Charles Johnson

Blatant hypocrisy. Would make a great page.

Done.

261 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 5:58:57pm

Fixed spelling of Bergdahl. Derp.

262 Gus  Jun 2, 2014 6:01:05pm
263 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2014 6:01:16pm

re: #261 Gus

Fixed spelling of Bergdahl. Derp.

Typos are going around.

264 CuriousLurker  Jun 2, 2014 6:03:24pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

That’s this year. Amazing how they can spin on a dime without hypocrisy whiplash.

It’s like they no longer stand for anything or believe in anything. It’s all just naked, unrepentant opportunism now—the only thing that matters is sliming President Obama and anyone who exists in or enters his orbit.

They’re beyond pathetic, utterly morally bankrupt wretches. *spit*

265 Killgore Trout  Jun 2, 2014 6:04:30pm

Top of the DKos rec list: Man with a gun? Call 911.

Short and sweet.

Silence is complicity, so if you have a problem with guns being displayed in public, call the police when you see it happening.

I await the many comments explaining why this is a simple-minded and sophomoric action to take that Very Serious People should ignore.

Fits nicely onto a bumpersticker, too.

1) It’s going to get people killed 2) calling 9-11 on legal gun owners who aren’t breaking the law is illegal.

266 Lidane  Jun 2, 2014 6:07:09pm
267 CuriousLurker  Jun 2, 2014 6:12:14pm

re: #266 Lidane

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Good grief, the fucking stupid, it burns.

A bunch of young guys strutting around with loaded guns in a family restaurant… burgers, testosterone & bullets—what could possibly go wrong?

I’m so, so SO very glad I left Texas.

268 ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2014 6:14:08pm

Gus, you gotta remember, January was a couple news cycles ago. That was then, this is now.

People with little brains are like too-small hard drives in a computer. Stuff gets written over the old, time and time again. January is erased now, replaced with what they learned this week.

The Republicans have figured this out with their base. It is why they repealed Obamacare 50+ times, have been on Benghazi since Sept 11, 2012 with three hearings, keep bringing up the IRS and Fast and Furious.

You have to rewrite those files when they become a little corrupted so that they get fresh new updates when new fixes come out.

/

269 Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2014 6:24:15pm

re: #265 Killgore Trout

Top of the DKos rec list: Man with a gun? Call 911.

1) It’s going to get people killed 2) calling 9-11 on legal gun owners who aren’t breaking the law is illegal.

1) That’s between the good guys with guns, the bad guys with guns, and the cops with guns.

2) It’s not the citizen’s responsibility to psychoanalyse every asshole taking a gun into a mall or theatre. Call and let the professionals sort it out.

270 Killgore Trout  Jun 2, 2014 6:31:32pm

re: #269 Decatur Deb

1) That’s between the good guys with guns, the bad guys with guns, and the cops with guns.

2) It’s not the citizen’s responsibility to psychoanalyse every asshole taking a gun into a mall or theatre. Call and let the professionals sort it out.

False reports to police are illegal. This is just as dangerous for the police and the public as it for the gun owner. I know a lot of people would love to instigate a shootout but it’s illegal. immoral and dangerous.

271 makeitstop  Jun 2, 2014 6:33:30pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

False reports to police are illegal. This is just as dangerous for the police and the public as it for the gun owner. I know a lot of people would love to instigate a shootout but it’s illegal. immoral and dangerous.

If you see a man with a gun entering a public place and you call 911 and tell them there’s a man with a gun entering a public place, where, exactly, is the ‘false report?’

272 Killgore Trout  Jun 2, 2014 6:35:55pm

re: #271 makeitstop

If you see a man with a gun entering a public place and you call 911 and tell them there’s a man with a gun entering a public place, where, exactly, is the ‘false report?’

In open carry states it’s not illegal to carry a gun in a public place. 911 is to report emergencies only.

273 Killgore Trout  Jun 2, 2014 6:37:24pm

Trying to get people killed is a new level of depravity.

274 makeitstop  Jun 2, 2014 6:38:58pm

Going upstairs. I’m not letting myself get sucked into this.

275 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 2, 2014 6:41:58pm

If anyone was in my Defensive Gun Use Page I apologize. I deleted one sentence and somehow lost about the latter half of it. Crap. I sent a note to Charles but well I’ll be a while reconstructing it. Note to myself-make big Pages in Word and keep a backup. Ouch

276 Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2014 6:42:33pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

False reports to police are illegal. This is just as dangerous for the police and the public as it for the gun owner. I know a lot of people would love to instigate a shootout but it’s illegal. immoral and dangerous.

Who decides what’s false? In some states just feeling threatened by someone’s actions and demeanor is assault—a police matter. How the hell else do you get to stand your ground? A dipshit with a long gun locked and loaded in a restaurant is legal until he pulls the trigger. At that point the silent bystanders have failed their duty to stop a massacre.

277 Killgore Trout  Jun 2, 2014 6:45:40pm

re: #276 Decatur Deb

Who decides what’s false? In some states just feeling threatened by someone’s actions and demeanor is assault—a police matter. How the hell else do you get to stand your ground? A dipshit with a long gun locked and loaded in a restaurant is legal until he pulls the trigger. At that point the silent bystanders have failed their duty to stop a massacre.

The courts decide. It’s very illegal and I’m sure there are extra charges if someone gets killed.

278 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 2, 2014 6:46:06pm

279 Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2014 6:50:38pm

re: #277 Killgore Trout

The courts decide. It’s very illegal and I’m sure there are extra charges if someone gets killed.

There are just enough nuts shooting up the street to make the risk of an un-needed 911 call pale in comparison to watching a couple guys air out the food court. When do you come off stupid, when you make a reasonable unnecessary call or when you fail to prevent another mass shooting?

280 Killgore Trout  Jun 2, 2014 7:07:33pm

re: #279 Decatur Deb

There are just enough nuts shooting up the street to make the risk of an un-needed 911 call pale in comparison to watching a couple guys air out the food court. When do you come off stupid, when you make a reasonable unnecessary call or when you fail to prevent another mass shooting?

It should be a moment of reflection when the open carry opponents become more extreme and dangerous than open carry proponents. It’s reckless dangerous and illegal.

281 Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2014 7:12:37pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

It should be a moment of reflection when the open carry opponents become more extreme and dangerous than open carry proponents. It’s reckless dangerous and illegal.

And so is doing nothing. You can’t tell the difference between a heavily-armed 2nd Amendment paranoid and a heavily-armed Adam Lanza. It’s the cops’ job to find out, and they constantly ask for citizen help.

282 Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2014 7:31:25pm

Image: Gun-Mom.jpg I M A G E ⸩

Note the shoes—that’s two kids.

283 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 2, 2014 8:26:01pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

It should be a moment of reflection when the open carry opponents become more extreme and dangerous than open carry proponents. It’s reckless dangerous and illegal.

It’s not illegal to call 911 when you see people carrying guns around, for fuck’s sake.

284 Mattand  Jun 2, 2014 9:38:59pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

It should be a moment of reflection when the open carry opponents become more extreme and dangerous than open carry proponents. It’s reckless dangerous and illegal.

Well, I guess we found a new boogeyman to replace OWS.

285 De Kolta Chair  Jun 3, 2014 6:15:37am

In Stone’s version, “Extraña Pareja,” Snowden winds up being slovenly Fidel Castro’s tidy neurotic roommate. Hilarity ensues.


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