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Officials in Bergdahl’s Town Deluged With Hateful Right Wing Phone Calls, Cancel Celebration

The smear campaign has whipped up an angry mob
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NBC News reports that as a result of the massive right wing smear campaign (unfortunately aided by much of the media) against Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, city officials in his hometown are being deluged with vitriolic, hateful phone calls.

This irrational lynch mob mentality is being fueled very deliberately by right wing blogs and media. They’ve found a juicy target and they’re using it to whip their audiences into a blind rage — which isn’t far from their normal state, anyway.

These phone calls are the direct equivalent of what you’ll see in the comment sections of any right wing site on the web today.

Jane Drussel, the president of the Hailey Chamber of Commerce, has been fielding dozens of angry calls.

“Well, (I feel) disappointment number one, just absolutely total surprise at how bad some of them are,” she told NBC News on Tuesday. …

Drussel said many of the calls are cancelling trips to the town of about 8,000.

“Well, number one is, how dare we as a community support someone who in their mind they’re thinking of as a ‘deserter,’ a traitor. That they had plans to come here on their vacation, they’re no longer coming, they’re cancelling their reservations.”

“I just find that shocking,” she said. “You know, we’re Americans, and we need to act like Americans, and to me that’s un-American. Let things play out, and if there needs to be action taken, I’m sure it will be taken. But that’s not the city of Hailey’s responsibility.”

She said the staffers at the Chamber of Commerce, and at a store she runs, don’t know how to deal with the vitriol.

“(We’re) really surprised at the people who are calling — they are hate calls, they’re not just people voicing an opinion,” she said. “The girls just don’t even… we’re all just absolutely in shock, we don’t know how to respond to that to tell you quite truthfully.”

UPDATE at 6/4/14 2:18:27 pm

And now…

UPDATE at 6/4/14 2:29:17 pm

LGF reader Bubblehead points out the press release from Hailey, Idaho:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 2, 2014

CONTACT: City of Hailey

Bring Bowe Back/Bowe Is Back Event Cancelled

(Hailey, Idaho) - Hailey community members who worked during March and April of this year to organize their annual Bring Bowe Back event in Hailey have asked to cancel the event.

When the news of Bowe Bergdahl’s release was announced this past Saturday, the organizers joyfully declared that the event would be renamed Bowe is Back, and would become a celebration of family and friends being reunited with their son who was had been held captive in Afganistan for five years. In the past, the event had been a celebration of support to the family through these many years.

National media attention on Hailey and this event has led many across the nation to believe that the event is intended to be a military parade. There is broad interest in this topic, as evidenced by the approximate 100 correspondences per day received by the City of Hailey this week. The organizers and Hailey expect a significant increase in attendance to this event, by people who both want to support or protest against it.

In the interest of public safety, the event will be cancelled. Hailey, a town of 8,000, does not have the infrastructure to support an event of the size this could become.

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383 comments

1 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 1:48:28pm
That they had plans to come here on their vacation

Uh huh. Tell me more, tell me more…

2 Bulworth  Jun 4, 2014 1:48:37pm
“(We’re) really surprised at the people who are calling — they are hate calls, they’re not just people voicing an opinion,” she said. “The girls just don’t even… we’re all just absolutely in shock, we don’t know how to respond to that to tell you quite truthfully.”

Welcome to the jungle.

3 Testy Toad T  Jun 4, 2014 1:49:09pm

Now that’s the kind of political activism a Republican can really get behind.

Go march on DC for an afternoon? Fuck, man, that sounds like work. Let’s go to the bar.

Make a hateful prank call to some random 20-something girl manning a desk in a podunk town in the middle of nowhere? NOW WE’RE TALKING BRO

4 Bulworth  Jun 4, 2014 1:49:15pm

re:
#1

Confirmed. FACT.

5 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 1:49:40pm
The girls just don’t even…

Me too, BTW.

6 Kragar  Jun 4, 2014 1:49:47pm

But they “support the troops”

7 Decatur Deb  Jun 4, 2014 1:51:04pm

Sounds like somebody, official or not, is going to resist this BS and get the soldier his welcome. Love to see VP Biden drop in to rub a few shoulders.

8 Testy Toad T  Jun 4, 2014 1:51:23pm

re: #1 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

“That they had plans to come here on their vacation”

Uh huh. Tell me more, tell me more…

bumfucknowhere.jpg

Seems legit.

9 Kragar  Jun 4, 2014 1:51:26pm

Because screaming at a receptionist will certainly teach Obama a lesson.

10 Bulworth  Jun 4, 2014 1:51:51pm

re:
#6
Kragar

We have BUMPER STICKERS!!! What do you have Libtard?!??!

11 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2014 1:51:58pm

Patriots!

12 jaunte  Jun 4, 2014 1:52:14pm

How many hotel beds does Hailey have, anyway? Twelve?

13 Bulworth  Jun 4, 2014 1:52:52pm

re:
#7

Yeah, this calls for a VP Biden trip all the way.

14 Kragar  Jun 4, 2014 1:52:55pm

re: #10 Bulworth

re:
#6
Kragar

We have BUMPER STICKERS!!! What do you have Libtard?!??!

A valid income tax return

15 Romantic Heretic  Jun 4, 2014 1:52:57pm

Man. Just when we think those professing to be ‘conservatives’ can’t sink any lower, they do.

16 The War TARDIS  Jun 4, 2014 1:53:14pm

re: #5 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

All of us in Sanityville just don’t even too.

17 piratedan  Jun 4, 2014 1:53:35pm

wow, just wow…. ty our failed media experiment. Instead of raising informed discourse, we have instead constant pandering to the lowest common denominator. Welcome to the front lines of the media war, proud citizens of Hailey.

18 Kid A  Jun 4, 2014 1:54:14pm

Take a bow, wingnuts, you must be proud.

19 Kragar  Jun 4, 2014 1:54:37pm

I need to be careful here. I don’t want to inspire another rage fueled witchhunt on this thread.

20 b.d.  Jun 4, 2014 1:54:55pm

Stay classy wingnuts!

21 jaunte  Jun 4, 2014 1:55:05pm

re: #19 Kragar

whut?

22 The War TARDIS  Jun 4, 2014 1:55:28pm

re: #17 piratedan

Could the parents and Bergdahl himself make a case for a defamation lawsuit against these clowns in our media, and against the Daily Mail as well?

23 Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2014 1:56:49pm

The right has developed a well-honed, well-rehearsed, scarily efficient Demonization Machine, and they use it to push their agenda into mainstream media very successfully.

24 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 1:56:50pm

Scary Arab letters! Must be a bomb!

25 b.d.  Jun 4, 2014 1:57:14pm

YELLING AT THE GIRLS WHO ANSWER THE PHONE AT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM

26 Kid A  Jun 4, 2014 1:57:27pm

Brigitte Gabriel just told Sean Insanity that when Bergdahl’s father was speaking at the White House, he was saying in Arabic that the White House had just been claimed for Islam.

27 Mattand  Jun 4, 2014 1:57:31pm

Fun fact: Hailey is the seat of Blaine County, which is basically the only county that Obama won in 2012.

28 GeneJockey  Jun 4, 2014 1:57:45pm

re: #6 Kragar

But they “support the troops”

Someone linked to a Salon (or Slate, I mix them up all the time) post yesterday about the Right’s view of those in the military - they worship them as heroes, until they do or say something that ISN’T according to the RW script, whether it’s protesting against a war, supporting gay rights, or just supporting Obama. THEN they HATE them with the white hot heat of a thousand suns.

It pointed out that love can turn to hate in an instant, and be every bit as intense, if not more so.

Another point is that the Right worships servicemen and women in the abstract, not as real, flesh and blood individuals. It’s almost part of their religion that soldiers are the absolute essence of America, and thus a REAL soldier would believe exactly as they do - hence the belief that the military would not put down an armed insurrection by the Right - so if one DOES, he’s not just an apostate, he’s like Satan, turning away from All That Is Good, and so that much more deserving of hatred and enmity.

Interesting pathology.

29 Kragar  Jun 4, 2014 1:58:17pm

re: #26 Kid A

Brigitte Gabriel just told Sean Insanity that when Bergdahl’s father was speaking at the White House, he was saying in Arabic that the White House had just been claimed for Islam.

I thought anyone who could speak Arabic was a traitor, so how the hell would she know?
/

30 Decatur Deb  Jun 4, 2014 1:58:18pm

The President and his staff are normally very careful about handling nutcase memes. (Remember the dinner and the birth certificate, wingnuts.)
They don’t take a lot of unnecessary political risk when they have the time and resources to prepare.

31 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 1:58:59pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

The right has developed a well-honed, well-rehearsed, scarily efficient Demonization Machine, and they use it to push their agenda into mainstream media very successfully.

Same bunch of nuts that are always freaking out about Alinsky’s 12 rules for radicals.

32 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2014 1:59:02pm

I can’t even.

We are breeding some real psychos in this country.

33 Kragar  Jun 4, 2014 1:59:43pm

re: #28 GeneJockey

The only time anyone on Twitter brings up me being a veteran is wingnuts who claim I’m lying about it because I don’t agree with them.

34 Tyrion  Jun 4, 2014 1:59:53pm

Reuters is reporting that the town has cancelled the welcome home celebration. Can anyone on here confirm?

35 GeneJockey  Jun 4, 2014 1:59:59pm

re: #19 Kragar

I need to be careful here. I don’t want to inspire another rage fueled witchhunt on this thread.

Where are my royalties?
///

36 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2014 2:00:04pm

re: #27 Mattand

Fun fact: Hailey is the seat of Blaine County, which is basically the only county that Obama won in 2012.

So, there is an island of sanity in Idaho?

37 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 2:00:11pm

I be trolling.

38 Kid A  Jun 4, 2014 2:00:21pm

re: #28 GeneJockey

Remember this oldie but a goodie?

YOU CAN’T SUPPORT THE TROOPS AND NOT SUPPORT THE WAR!!!!

39 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 2:00:34pm

Oy. Hehe.

40 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 2:00:44pm

From previous thread.

re: #407 Bubblehead II

Got the reply. It’s canceled.

41 Bubblehead II  Jun 4, 2014 2:00:45pm

re: #34 Tyrion

Reuters is reporting that the town has cancelled the welcome home celebration. Can anyone on here confirm?

They did. I will post the press release shortly.

42 Ian G.  Jun 4, 2014 2:01:03pm
You know, we’re Americans, and we need to act like Americans, and to me that’s un-American.

See, Jane, you don’t understand the wingnut mind. We’re not all Americans to them. Only some (white, rural, evangelical Christian, hardcore right-wing) are, and the rest of us are treasonous aliens who are taking over “their” country. Once you understand the wingnut mind, it becomes a lot easier to understand their lunacy.

43 Bulworth  Jun 4, 2014 2:01:11pm

re:
#38

Yeah but I has new information now shutup traitor liar!!!!

44 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 4, 2014 2:01:27pm

re: #28 GeneJockey

Someone linked to a Salon (or Slate, I mix them up all the time) post yesterday about the Right’s view of those in the military - they worship them as heroes, until they do or say something that ISN’T according to the RW script, whether it’s protesting against a war, supporting gay rights, or just supporting Obama. THEN they HATE them with the white hot heat of a thousand suns.

It pointed out that love can turn to hate in an instant, and be every bit as intense, if not more so.

Another point is that the Right worships servicemen and women in the abstract, not as real, flesh and blood individuals. It’s almost part of their religion that soldiers are the absolute essence of America, and thus a REAL soldier would believe exactly as they do - hence the belief that the military would not put down an armed insurrection by the Right - so if one DOES, he’s not just an apostate, he’s like Satan, turning away from All That Is Good, and so that much more deserving of hatred and enmity.

Interesting pathology.

The same way they worship the unborn in the abstract up to the moment they are brought into this world.

And I say “in the abstract” since if they really cared for them in reality they would be heavily supporting pre-natal care, health clinics, etc. rather than cutting funding and throwing up roadblocks at every opportunity.

45 Bubblehead II  Jun 4, 2014 2:01:30pm

re: #40 Gus

From previous thread.

Did you get the press release?

46 Kid A  Jun 4, 2014 2:01:43pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

As long as there’s a black man in the White House, it takes very little effort on their part.

47 goddamnedfrank  Jun 4, 2014 2:01:52pm

Me and Mrs Wingnut were gonna go to vacation in Hailey but now thanks to Obama freeing a captured soldier that used to live there we’ll be spending our hard earned chickens filled with ammunition in Atomic City.

48 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 2:01:57pm

re: #45 Bubblehead II

Did you get the press release?

No. Did you link that?

49 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2014 2:01:58pm

re: #37 Gus

I be trolling.

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You know, if the city manager is citing “the interest of public safety”, I wouldn’t rule it out that some wingnuts may well have made open threats against city personnel, etc.

After all, these are wingnuts we’re talking about.

50 Tyrion  Jun 4, 2014 2:02:06pm

news.yahoo.com

Man, this pisses me off.

BTW, long time lurker, first two times poster. I’ve gotten to where I need to see some sane comments on the internet after all the right wing crap I see here in Kentucky. So, I’m thankful for this site.

51 Kid A  Jun 4, 2014 2:02:34pm

re: #42 Ian G.

What wingnut mind?

52 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 2:02:52pm

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

You know, if the city manager is citing “the interest of public safety”, I wouldn’t rule it out that some wingnuts may well have made open threats against city personnel, etc.

After all, these are wingnuts we’re talking about.

That’s why I said that. It’s true. These people are psychopaths.

53 Testy Toad T  Jun 4, 2014 2:03:12pm

re: #50 Tyrion

BTW, long time lurker, first two times poster. I’ve gotten to where I need to see some sane comments on the internet after all the right wing crap I see here in Kentucky. So, I’m thankful for this site.

You must be that new lizard up there smoking a cigarette. Shame, hatchling. You need to wait until you’re 18.

54 Kid A  Jun 4, 2014 2:03:26pm

re: #50 Tyrion

It’s all we have left, dude.

55 The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2014 2:03:31pm

re: #26 Kid A

Brigitte Gabriel just told Sean Insanity that when Bergdahl’s father was speaking at the White House, he was saying in Arabic that the White House had just been claimed for Islam.

That’s been said more than once.

Actual questions about this situation—such as the military court might have—aren’t playing a part in this.

It’s just another chance to trot out the Amalgamated Moral Panic: Creeping Not American-ness.

Taliban beard, speaking Muslim, Obama proximity.

56 jaunte  Jun 4, 2014 2:03:38pm

re: #39 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Maureen Dowd’s hotel room wallpaper.

57 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 4, 2014 2:03:42pm

re: #50 Tyrion

news.yahoo.com

Man, this pisses me off.

BTW, long time lurker, first two times poster. I’ve gotten to where I need to see some sane comments on the internet after all the right wing crap I see here in Kentucky. So, I’m thankful for this site.

Welcome hatchling. Did you know that you look shorter on TV?

58 wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2014 2:03:44pm

Such-and-Such said ‘limerick’, and my brain switched to limerick mode.

There was a POW from Hailey
The wingnuts would pray for him daily
‘Til he was suddenly sprung
Now they want him hung
‘Cause he hopped on the chopper too gaily.

59 Kragar  Jun 4, 2014 2:03:47pm
60 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2014 2:03:52pm

re: #50 Tyrion

news.yahoo.com

Man, this pisses me off.

BTW, long time lurker, first two times poster. I’ve gotten to where I need to see some sane comments on the internet after all the right wing crap I see here in Kentucky. So, I’m thankful for this site.

Welcome, Hatchling! Feel freeeeeee.

61 Floral Giraffe  Jun 4, 2014 2:03:54pm

re: #19 Kragar

I need to be careful here. I don’t want to inspire another rage fueled witchhunt on this thread.

Meh, get your broomstick tuned up, baby!

62 wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2014 2:04:15pm

re: #50 Tyrion

Welcome, hatchling.

63 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 4, 2014 2:04:45pm

re: #55 The Ghost of a Flea

That’s been said more than once.

Actual questions about this situation—such as the military court might have—aren’t playing a part in this.

It’s just another chance to trot out the Amalgamated Moral Panic: Creeping Not American-ness.

Taliban beard, speaking Muslim, Obama proximity.

Is AMP trading on the exchange yet?
/

64 Ace-o-aces  Jun 4, 2014 2:04:45pm

I can only hope that all this hate aimed at Bergdhal backfires on the GOP. I mean, even if you think he deserves punishment for desertion, we are talking about a kid who just had a friend killed by an enemy attack, and then witnessed a child being run over by his fellow soldiers. Maybe being left to rot in a Taliban prison is a bit overkill given the circumstances?
Also, if you read the Rolling Stone article, he was apparently one of the few compentant soldiers in a platoon of fuck-ups (those fuck-ups are, as you would expect, the same ones running to the right-wing media to smear Bergdahl). As things move forward, I’m betting their will be a lot of backpeddling by conservatives on all this.

65 GeneJockey  Jun 4, 2014 2:04:50pm

re: #51 Kid A

What wingnut mind?

Brainstem, really. Sufficient to react, but not to respond.

66 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2014 2:04:58pm

re: #52 Gus

That’s why I said that. It’s true. These people are psychopaths.

Sadly, all too true. I could see some deranged RWNJ’s turning up heavily armed to protest. Sort of like the Bundy Ranch crowd.

67 Bubblehead II  Jun 4, 2014 2:05:12pm

Press Release from Hailey, Id.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 2, 2014

CONTACT: City of Hailey

Contact Info Deleted

Bring Bowe Back/Bowe Is Back Event Cancelled

(Hailey, Idaho) -

Hailey community members who worked during March and April of this year to organize their annual Bring Bowe Back event in Hailey have asked to cancel the event.

When the news of Bowe Bergdahl’s release was announced this past Saturday, the organizers joyfully declared that the event would be renamed Bowe is Back, and would become a celebration of family and friends being reunited with their son who was had been held captive in Afganistan for five years. In the past, the event had been a celebration of support to the family through these many years.

National media attention on Hailey and this event has led many across the nation to believe that the event is intended to be a military parade. There is broad interest in this topic, as evidenced by the approximate 100 correspondences per day received by the City of Hailey this week. The organizers and Hailey expect a significant increase in attendance to this event, by people who both want to support or protest against it.

In the interest of public safety, the event will be cancelled. Hailey, a town of 8,000, does not have the infrastructure to support an event of the size this could become.

# # #

68 Kid A  Jun 4, 2014 2:05:16pm

re: #31 Gus

Francis Fox Piven!!!! Bill Ayres!!!

69 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2014 2:05:17pm

re: #59 Kragar

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Yeah having hypocrisy pointed out hurts.

70 The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2014 2:05:20pm

re: #28 GeneJockey

Wingnuts’ war on the troops: The ugly lesson of Bowe Bergdahl and Sarah Palin

Less understood is that when a member of the military fails to adhere to the far right’s rigid formula of what a soldier should be (nationalistic, religious, obedient; conservative) right-wingers like Palin come down on them like a ton of bricks. Where they once were heroes of almost mythic proportion, now they become charlatans — or maybe even traitors. During these moments, the far right’s hatred for the apostate soldier can only be understood if it’s recognized as a mirror image of their usual reverence. It’s not just that Sarah Palin is disappointed with Bergdahl for loathing the war in Afghanistan so much that he was “ashamed to be an American”; it’s that she now considers Bergdahl to be someone who is worth so little that the president’s acting to secure his life and liberty is, effectively, an insult to the rest. You know that old truism that nothing can turn to hate as quickly as love? This is what that looks like in politics.

71 Tyrion  Jun 4, 2014 2:05:39pm

re: #57 Feline Fearless Leader

That’s OK, but I was hoping to look smaller. lol

Thanks for all the welcome’s.

72 Ian G.  Jun 4, 2014 2:05:50pm

re: #28 GeneJockey

Someone linked to a Salon (or Slate, I mix them up all the time) post yesterday about the Right’s view of those in the military - they worship them as heroes, until they do or say something that ISN’T according to the RW script, whether it’s protesting against a war, supporting gay rights, or just supporting Obama. THEN they HATE them with the white hot heat of a thousand suns.

Or just block it out and deny it. That was the Sean Hannity reaction to someone (I forget whom) telling him that Pat Tillman was an atheist. “I don’t believe it”. Seriously.

Of course, Tillman’s dead, so he’s not around to tell us how much he likes Chomsky, so the right can continue to pretend he’s one of them.

73 GeneJockey  Jun 4, 2014 2:05:55pm

re: #59 Kragar

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Fuck ‘em.

74 GeneJockey  Jun 4, 2014 2:06:17pm
75 klys  Jun 4, 2014 2:06:35pm

re: #58 wrenchwench

Such-and-Such said ‘limerick’, and my brain switched to limerick mode.

I bow to literary greatness.

76 SteveMcGazi  Jun 4, 2014 2:06:50pm

re: #27 Mattand

Fun fact: Hailey is the seat of Blaine County, which is basically the only county that Obama won in 2012.

So you’re aleging that Obama is pandering to his base, huh?

77 A Mom Anon  Jun 4, 2014 2:06:54pm

re: #44 Feline Fearless Leader

One of the prime examples of this is the blazing hot hatred they have for the school lunch program and FLOTUS’s Let’s Move campaign. Yeah, let kids go hungry while they’re at school because it’s patriotic, or whateverthefuckingfuck passes for thinking with these fools.

78 Kragar  Jun 4, 2014 2:07:05pm

re: #61 Floral Giraffe

Meh, get your broomstick tuned up, baby!

Youtube Video

(NSFW)

79 Ian G.  Jun 4, 2014 2:08:37pm

re: #8 Testy Toad T

Hey, Craters of the Moon got almost 1/14th as many visitors as Yellowstone last year. And Hailey is only 30 miles from it! Hailey is a huge tourist mecca, I tell you! HUUUGE!

80 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2014 2:09:10pm

I too would love this to turn against them. I want nothing more than clips of Republican office holders and right wing pundits demanding that POTUS do all he can do to return Sgt. Bergdahl to be played with clips of them later calling him a traitor and demanding POTUS’s impeachment for doing just that. I want the American public to see what a bunch of ugly people the GOP is comprised of and I want it to make Boehner to return to a permanent job as minority leader until his retirement or death.

81 blueraven  Jun 4, 2014 2:09:24pm

Barbara Starr for CNN just reported Pentagon officials said there was NO evidence of a note left by Bergdahl as has been alleged.

Also reports that he had left the post before… unnoticed, bringing up the state of the security at the post.

Also, if he had indeed left the post prior to being captured, why wasn’t he under a watch?

82 De Kolta Chair  Jun 4, 2014 2:09:32pm

Reminds me of something that happened to Werner Klemperer, who famously portrayed Colonel Klink on Hogan’s Heroes, and was the son of renowned conductor Otto Klemperer and soprano Johanna Geisler. Take it away, NY Times obit

Mr. Klemperer, whose Jewish family had escaped Germany in the 1930’s for Los Angeles, found the role a double-edged sword. […]

Years ago Mr. Klemperer was set to serve as grand marshal in a parade in Oregon, but a state legislator protested and said it was wrong to honor an actor who played Colonel Klink. Mr. Klemperer bowed out.

”I found that so ridiculous,” he said, years later. ”I wrote an open letter to the paper in that particular area and I said that I certainly would bow out of this parade, but that it was saddening to me that I, a three-year World War II veteran, had to do that.”

83 Mattand  Jun 4, 2014 2:09:50pm

re: #50 Tyrion

news.yahoo.com

Man, this pisses me off.

BTW, long time lurker, first two times poster. I’ve gotten to where I need to see some sane comments on the internet after all the right wing crap I see here in Kentucky. So, I’m thankful for this site.

Hey, at least you got Kynect going for you down there.

84 Kid A  Jun 4, 2014 2:11:06pm

And here we go! One of Bergdahl’s troop mates is on Insanity spilling the beans on what a wacko Bergdahl is. By the way, until he is charged with desertion, he is not a deserter. No one knows what or why the fuck he went off. Jesus H, these people are batshit insane.

85 klys  Jun 4, 2014 2:11:33pm

Have a distraction tweet, everyone.

86 Amory Blaine  Jun 4, 2014 2:11:52pm

87 Tyrion  Jun 4, 2014 2:12:05pm

re: #83 Mattand

Well, I have insurance through my employer so it didn’t come into play for me. But, these yahoos here (I’m KY born and bred so I can say this) don’t even know that Kynect is part of the Affordable Care Act. smh. I’m bracing for the “war on coal!!!!” now.

88 Kragar  Jun 4, 2014 2:12:16pm

re: #81 blueraven

Barbara Starr for CNN just reported Pentagon officials said there was NO evidence of a note left by Bergdahl as has been alleged.

Also reports that he had left the post before… unnoticed, bringing up the state of the security at the post.

Also, if he had indeed left the post prior to being captured, why wasn’t he under a watch?

Hey now, none of that. Questioning the operational status of his unit and fellow soldiers is just blind rage against the troops.

89 Romantic Heretic  Jun 4, 2014 2:12:51pm

re: #28 GeneJockey

These are the people who think that America is a faith rather than a nation. Literally America is something to be worshipped. Anything that might not make America ‘The Holiest Place on Earth Ever!™’ obviously must be destroyed lest the universe fall.

It’s because of them that I often refer to mass shooting victims as human sacrifices. These people believe blood must be shed or all is lost.

90 klys  Jun 4, 2014 2:13:08pm

re: #88 Kragar

Hey now, none of that. Questioning the operational status of his unit and fellow soldiers is just blind rage against the troops.

Your anger, Kragar, I sense it.

//

91 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 4, 2014 2:13:11pm

re: #83 Mattand

Hey, at least you got Kynect going for you down there.

But is he living in the half of Kentucky represented by Paul, or McConnell?

;P

92 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 2:15:09pm

Hungry. I haz it.

Wait. Just ate. Hmmm.

93 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2014 2:15:11pm

re: #89 Romantic Heretic

These are the people who think that America is a faith rather than a nation. Literally America is something to be worshipped. Anything that might make America ‘The Holist Place on Earth Ever!TM’ obviously must be destroyed lest the universe fall.

It’s because of them that I often refer to mass shooting victims as human sacrifices. These people believe blood must be shed or all is lost.

BLOOD FOR QUETZALCOATL AMERICA!!

94 Tyrion  Jun 4, 2014 2:15:26pm

re: #91 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m in Lexington, so I’m in one of the three(I think it was three) areas that voted for Obama. You know, Lexington and Louisville, the two “modern”, at least by Kentucky standards, of the state.

There’s a tiny bit of hope that Grimes can beat McConnell, but I’m doubtful.

95 Romantic Heretic  Jun 4, 2014 2:15:46pm

re: #50 Tyrion

Welcome hatchling.

96 Floral Giraffe  Jun 4, 2014 2:16:00pm

re: #78 Kragar

Outstanding!

97 Bubblehead II  Jun 4, 2014 2:16:14pm

re: #88 Kragar

Hey now, none of that. Questioning the operational status of his unit and fellow soldiers is just blind rage against the troops.

Let go of your anger Luke Krager. Lest you fall to the dark side.

98 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 4, 2014 2:17:02pm

re: #81 blueraven

Also reports that he had left the post before… unnoticed, bringing up the state of the security at the post.

If he did leave previously to walkabout & returned on his own, it also puts a big bright light on why some want the time he was captured to be a big deal. I wonder just how far up the chain of command this CYA is going?

99 Kragar  Jun 4, 2014 2:17:45pm

re: #90 klys

Your anger, Kragar, I sense it.

//

I know you didn’t expect such a huge reaction.

Youtube Video

100 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 2:18:41pm

“I think we’re going to have to wait and talk to Sgt. Bergdahl now and get his side of the story,” the retired general said. “One of the great things about America is we should not judge until we know the facts. And after we know the facts, then we should make a mature judgment on how we should handle it.”

101 Mattand  Jun 4, 2014 2:19:06pm
102 darthstar  Jun 4, 2014 2:19:45pm

It’s a small town. Tourism isn’t their #1 business. People calling to shout at them aren’t canceling reservations. Those people probably won’t even leave their homes, let alone travel to rural Idaho.

103 ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2014 2:20:02pm

re: #19 Kragar

I need to be careful here. I don’t want to inspire another rage fueled witchhunt on this thread.

Please proceed. I’m so freaking stunned by all this I need to hear what others are really feeling. As I posted in the last thread, I’m blown so anything real will be music to my ears.

104 Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2014 2:20:45pm
105 Mattand  Jun 4, 2014 2:21:03pm

re: #102 darthstar

It’s a small town. Tourism isn’t their #1 business. People calling to shout at them aren’t canceling reservations. Those people probably won’t even leave their homes, let alone travel to rural Idaho.

Angry conservatives/Republicans are lying to prove their point???

Next thing you’ll tell me is there’s gambling in this establishment.

106 Killgore Trout  Jun 4, 2014 2:22:42pm

A little noticed tidbit from the release video
An annotated video breakdown of Bowe Bergdahl’s recovery from the Taliban
According to the video the Taliban claims they got 18 prisoners in exchange. They might be full of shit or maybe there were some releases from Pakistan or a Bagrahm Air Force Base or something.

107 Bubblehead II  Jun 4, 2014 2:23:13pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Press release at #67

108 The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2014 2:23:58pm

re: #93 Dr Lizardo

BLOOD FOR QUETZALCOATL AMERICA!!

Not to be an Aztec stickler, but I think you mean Huitzilpochtli.

I just wanted to use the phrase “Aztec stickler.” Sounds super dirty, right? Not even fun dirty—like scary, seedy dirty.)

109 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 4, 2014 2:24:30pm

So how is this not like the Westboro Baptist Church?

110 piratedan  Jun 4, 2014 2:25:31pm

re: #89 Romantic Heretic

way too fucking apropos… good insight RH. These people worship a Chevy commercial, not the reality that our nation is.

111 Testy Toad T  Jun 4, 2014 2:25:31pm

re: #106 Killgore Trout

According to the video the Taliban claims they got 18 prisoners in exchange. They might be full of shit or maybe there were some releases from Pakistan or a Bagrahm Air Force Base or something.

Well, it would be irresponsible not to speculate. In the meantime, I will ascribe 50% value to Obama’s claim and 50% to the Taliban’s.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. When will Politifact address this?

///////////////////////////////

112 wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2014 2:26:04pm

The wingers all wanted Bowe back
So badly Obama caught blow-back.
‘Til his dad grew a beard
and they thought that was weird
Now they’d just as soon he would go back.

113 EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2014 2:26:27pm

re: #100 Gus

“I think we’re going to have to wait and talk to Sgt. Bergdahl now and get his side of the story,” the retired general said. “One of the great things about America is we should not judge until we know the facts. And after we know the facts, then we should make a mature judgment on how we should handle it.”

This business about getting the facts before making a judgement is yet another feature of reality that the RWNJs (and many ‘moderate’ GOPers as well) refuse to accept.

114 Kragar  Jun 4, 2014 2:26:38pm

re: #109 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

So how is this not like the Westboro Baptist Church?

The only problem they had with Phelps was that he hated them too.

115 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 2:26:47pm
116 Mattand  Jun 4, 2014 2:26:50pm

re: #111 Testy Toad T

Well, it would be irresponsible not to speculate. In the meantime, I will ascribe 50% value to Obama’s claim and 50% to the Taliban’s.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. When will Politifact address this?

///////////////////////////////

That’s gonna leave a mark.

117 Floral Giraffe  Jun 4, 2014 2:27:27pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

And the arm chair pundits are pissed!
While others, are glad this soldier has been released from FIVE YEARS of captivity.

118 Killgore Trout  Jun 4, 2014 2:27:44pm

re: #106 Killgore Trout

A little noticed tidbit from the release video
An annotated video breakdown of Bowe Bergdahl’s recovery from the Taliban
According to the video the Taliban claims they got 18 prisoners in exchange. They might be full of shit or maybe there were some releases from Pakistan or a Bagrahm Air Force Base or something.

Oops, my mistake. They claim they had 18 fighters at the exchange.

119 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 2:27:53pm
120 EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2014 2:28:00pm

re: #109 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

So how is this not like the Westboro Baptist Church?

More friendly mainstream media coverage of RWNJs vs. Westboro Baptist is the main apparent difference.

121 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 2:28:20pm

122 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 2:29:39pm

123 Testy Toad T  Jun 4, 2014 2:30:00pm

re: #121 Gus

Sweet Jesus, can I, like, adblock that image or something?

No matter which way I dance around the screen, the crazyeyes follow me.

124 piratedan  Jun 4, 2014 2:30:09pm

re: #121 Gus

I’d kindly thank you to refrain from posting pics of that shameless harridan of a political opportunist…. kthnxbai!

125 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 2:30:46pm

re: #123 Testy Toad T

Sweet Jesus, can I, like, adblock that image or something?

No matter which way I dance around the screen, the crazyeyes follow me.

re: #124 piratedan

I’d kindly thank you to refrain from posting pics of that shameless harridan of a political opportunist…. kthnxbai!

126 EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2014 2:31:02pm

re: #111 Testy Toad T

Well, it would be irresponsible not to speculate. In the meantime, I will ascribe 50% value to Obama’s claim and 50% to the Taliban’s.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. When will Politifact address this?

///////////////////////////////

Averaging roughly 50% ‘good cop’ corporate and 50% batshit insane is supposed to produce bipartisan wisdom. The pundits who spew this nonsense really need to show how this works.

127 Decatur Deb  Jun 4, 2014 2:31:20pm

re: #108 The Ghost of a Flea

Not to be an Aztec stickler, but I think you mean Huitzilpochtli.

I just wanted to use the phrase “Aztec stickler.” Sounds super dirty, right? Not even fun dirty—like scary, seedy dirty.)<./sub>

Aztec Sticker:

Image: Tepeyollotl_1.jpg

128 Testy Toad T  Jun 4, 2014 2:32:02pm

BAD GUS
BAD
NO BISCUIT

129 simoom  Jun 4, 2014 2:32:07pm
130 wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2014 2:32:40pm

re: #101 Mattand

13 Things You Need to Know About Bowe Bergdahl

Definitely worth the read.

From there:

4) Bergdahl’s unit in Afghanistan — part of the Obama surge — was beset by deficits of leadership, “a collapse in unit morale and an almost complete breakdown of authority.”

The unruly situation was captured by … a British documentary filmmaker [whose] footage shows a bunch of soldiers who no longer give a shit: breaking even the most basic rules of combat, like wearing baseball caps on patrol instead of helmets.

Oh, no, we don’t need to look at the rest of his unit. Let’s just calm down. I’m sure that’s all been investigated already.

131 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2014 2:32:43pm

re: #108 The Ghost of a Flea

Not to be an Aztec stickler, but I think you mean Huitzilpochtli.

I just wanted to use the phrase “Aztec stickler.” Sounds super dirty, right? Not even fun dirty—like scary, seedy dirty.)

No problem. I was thinking of this chap.

Q looking for Michael Moriarty.

132 Mattand  Jun 4, 2014 2:32:56pm

re: #127 Decatur Deb

Aztec Sticker:

Image: Tepeyollotl_1.jpg

Inca Dinka Doo.

133 ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2014 2:33:01pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

The right has developed a well-honed, well-rehearsed, scarily efficient Demonization Machine, and they use it to push their agenda into mainstream media very successfully.

And it works. The ratings go up. So, why would the media not feed it?

Sometime Saturday morning, some think-tank group somewhere figured out the way they could turn this story into possibly the worst fuck-up in the Obama administration ever. This is his Bill Clinton moment…we have him now. The IRS and Benghazi were to do it, bring Obama down. But they didn’t. This is our opportunity. It has all the good juicy bits.

So, they must see a chance here. A chance they think they can use like no other. By this weekend, this will be a national security problem…Obama selling out this country to the Taliban. High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Alan West is the day’s test dummy. They have floated out the real plan on his blog (and probably others) as was posted here at LGF in the last thread.

This will be an attempt at an impeachment.

Hope I’m wrong…but this is too pat. The quick turn by everyone to clear history and backtrack too coordinated. The talking points are out and they are sticking to it. This is the real Republican party at work.

134 Testy Toad T  Jun 4, 2014 2:34:36pm

re: #133 ObserverArt

Hang a repatriated POW around Obama’s neck?

Please proceed.

135 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 2:34:50pm

re: #129 simoom

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He was always at war with Eastasia!

136 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2014 2:37:34pm

Well, if I’m going to have to put up with all that RW nutball shit, we must have spaghetti and garlic bread. Luckily, there was frozen sauce I had made previously.

Even if it is 90 deg outside. Maybe because it is. : )

137 EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2014 2:39:35pm

re: #133 ObserverArt

And it works. The ratings go up. So, why would the media not feed it?

Sometime Saturday morning, some think-tank group somewhere figured out the way they could turn this story into possibly the worst fuck-up in the Obama administration ever. This is his Bill Clinton moment…we have him now. The IRS and Benghazi were to do it, bring Obama down. But they didn’t. This is our opportunity. It has all the good juicy bits.

So, they must see a chance here. A chance they think they can use like no other. By this weekend, this will be a national security problem…Obama selling out this country to the Taliban. High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Alan West is the day’s test dummy. They have floated out the real plan on his blog (and probably others) as was posted here at LGF in the last thread.

This will be an attempt at an impeachment.

Hope I’m wrong…but this is too pat. The quick turn by everyone to clear history and backtrack too coordinated. The talking points are out and they are sticking to it. This is the real Republican party at work.

This rings very true to me.

So, for the hundredth time, the most pressing US political question:

Why would anyone who is not themselves a true believer in the batshit insanity/evil that is the entirety of this GOP continue to vote affirmatively for such blatant evil?

If 50% + 1 of the the US really is this evil, then we’re doomed and there is no way to avoid it. However, I really don’t think we have 50% + 1 RWNJs in the US. The so-called ‘moderates’ in the GOP need to desert the party en masse to stop providing cover for and enabling the RWNJs.

138 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 2:40:24pm
139 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2014 2:40:41pm

re: #136 Justanotherhuman

Here’s an outdoor clothesline for you that you can mount up on your balcony.

urbanclotheslines.com

Or this.

urbanclotheslines.com

140 nines09  Jun 4, 2014 2:41:25pm

re: #133 ObserverArt

Yep. The Real GOP. The smearing bigoted lying their ass off 24/7/365 bottom feeding chum scum Real Republicans. The Real Deal 100% American Troop Loving Flag Waving Veteran Loving Republicans. Yep. I can tell.

141 darthstar  Jun 4, 2014 2:42:19pm

Low information people aren’t all idiots, but this one is:

142 Amory Blaine  Jun 4, 2014 2:43:56pm

143 nines09  Jun 4, 2014 2:44:15pm

re: #141 darthstar

Low information people aren’t all idiots, but this one is:

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I think she just made algae look smart.

144 allegro  Jun 4, 2014 2:44:48pm

re: #98 William Barnett-Lewis

If he did leave previously to walkabout & returned on his own, it also puts a big bright light on why some want the time he was captured to be a big deal. I wonder just how far up the chain of command this CYA is going?

See that’s what has had me questioning the timing of these sudden ‘revelations’ (besides the GOP involvement). Quiet all this time until Bowen is released and can finally tell his side of the story. Feels a lot like a pre-emptive CYA strike to bias anything he might say with character annihilation before his story can come out.

145 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 2:46:29pm

146 ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2014 2:48:25pm

re: #121 Gus

You know, they could make that face into a Halloween mask. I know I find it scary.

147 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 2:50:04pm

re: #142 Amory Blaine

Much better!

148 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2014 2:51:10pm

I think he sealed his fate with that last tweet.

Sen. Thad Cochran, R-Miss., challenger Chris McDaniel to meet in runoff June 24 to decide GOP Senate nominee - @AP
End of alert

149 Testy Toad T  Jun 4, 2014 2:52:24pm

re: #148 Justanotherhuman

The idea of the Tea Party costing the GOP a senate seat in freakin’ MISSISSIPPI is so delightful I might explode into a cloud of mirth.

150 ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2014 2:52:53pm

re: #134 Testy Toad T

Hang a repatriated POW around Obama’s neck?

Please proceed.

Dealing with the enemy. Allowing known terrorists to be able to come back and knock down America. Usurping his powers as outlined by our laws.

I’m sure we can think up some others.

151 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 4, 2014 2:53:14pm
She said the staffers at the Chamber of Commerce, and at a store she runs, don’t know how to deal with the vitriol.

Grrr. They decided how. Town canceled the homecoming rally. Infuriating. The guy have had a welcome home rally, and made to feel welcome by his neighbors. But no, they cave in to a bunch of partisan assholes. Sad and angry about this.

152 klys  Jun 4, 2014 2:53:29pm

re: #149 Testy Toad T

The idea of the Tea Party costing the GOP a senate seat in freakin’ MISSISSIPPI is so delightful I might explode into a cloud of mirth.

I’d like to laugh, but far more likely is that we’ll end up with a neoConfederate Senator if the challenger wins.

153 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 2:56:08pm

re: #144 allegro

See that’s what has had me questioning the timing of these sudden ‘revelations’ (besides the GOP involvement). Quiet all this time until Bowen is released and can finally tell his side of the story. Feels a lot like a pre-emptive CYA strike to bias anything he might say with character annihilation before his story can come out.

I’m rather marveling at how quickly the “revelations” made it into the press. Wasn’t more than 24 hours after the announcement that I was already hearing references to a years old Rolling Stones article about “desertion,” NDAs, and accusations of “treason.”

154 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 4, 2014 2:56:33pm

re: #151 Rightwingconspirator

Grrr. They decided how. Town canceled the homecoming rally. Infuriating. The guy have had a welcome home rally, and made to feel welcome by his neighbors. But no, they cave in to a bunch of partisan assholes. Sad and angry about this.

They may legitimately be afraid of an even worse spectacle, of deranged haters showing up to jeer at him in person and make a horrible fucking scene.

The media is being worse than they were with Schiavo.

155 Egregious Philbin  Jun 4, 2014 2:57:36pm

This whole madness is gonna blow up in the ultra right’s face like Bundy. They keep creating scary monsters that turn on them and attack them.

Let them, I’m sick of telling wingnuts that it is un-american to be judge and jury and practice “guilty until proven innocent”

Xenu wept

156 EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2014 2:57:38pm

re: #149 Testy Toad T

The idea of the Tea Party costing the GOP a senate seat in freakin’ MISSISSIPPI is so delightful I might explode into a cloud of mirth.

MS had an 11.5% margin in favor of Romney in 2012. I’ll believe a (D) senator from Mississippi when I see it. However, Tea Party loons in Senate races do have a useful tendency to provide nationwide splash damage to the Republicans.

157 J A P  Jun 4, 2014 2:58:20pm

re: #151 Rightwingconspirator

If I understand correctly, he wasn’t going to be there. Every year they’ve had a “Bring Bowe Back” day. This year they’ve changed it to “Bowe is Back.” It was already planned. Bowe is expected to still be recovering and is unlikely to get to it.

158 Testy Toad T  Jun 4, 2014 2:58:32pm

re: #152 klys

I’d like to laugh, but far more likely is that we’ll end up with a neoConfederate Senator if the challenger wins.

Distinction without a difference, IMHO. Ultimately, the only positive action a senator can take is with his votes, and the votes wouldn’t be any different from the incumbent’s. Meanwhile, we could be sure of negative action (mouth-running, basically) which would continue to damage the Republican brand.

159 kirkspencer  Jun 4, 2014 2:58:34pm

re: #149 Testy Toad T

The idea of the Tea Party costing the GOP a senate seat in freakin’ MISSISSIPPI is so delightful I might explode into a cloud of mirth.

Worth recalling that this is how Cruz became a Senator.

160 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 4, 2014 2:59:05pm

CL, Charles, Lawhawk and others that love beautiful photography, check out this guy. New York never looked better.
Bob Boyd

161 Amory Blaine  Jun 4, 2014 2:59:51pm

162 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 4, 2014 3:00:01pm

re: #157 J A P

Okay did not realize that. Still sucks IMO. Now they can’t do it. Last year when all this was known anyway.

163 The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2014 3:00:31pm

Taliban beard is comorbid with Creeping Shariah. May result in Sudden Infant Burkha Syndrome./

164 Testy Toad T  Jun 4, 2014 3:00:47pm

re: #159 kirkspencer

Worth recalling that this is how Cruz became a Senator.

Yes, and I would say that Cruz is accidentally a powerful Democratic ally in Washington.

It’s hilarious that he doesn’t seem to realize it.

165 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2014 3:01:05pm

re: #50 Tyrion

news.yahoo.com

Man, this pisses me off.

BTW, long time lurker, first two times poster. I’ve gotten to where I need to see some sane comments on the internet after all the right wing crap I see here in Kentucky. So, I’m thankful for this site.

Born here in Kentucky, will die here in Kentucky, and will be the old lady yelling sane things at the wingnuts here in the meantime.

166 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 4, 2014 3:01:23pm

re: #161 Amory Blaine

*startled so bad shoes are left behind*

167 EmmaAnne  Jun 4, 2014 3:02:50pm

This article at Mother Jones seems to indicate that even if Bergdahl walked away voluntarily, he was AWOL and not a deserter. Unless it is proved that the soldier has no intention of returning, the soldier isn’t considered to be a deserter until 30 days of being AWOL.

motherjones.com

I think it is a difference worth keeping in mind. AWOL can be accidental or sloppy or a temporary brain freeze or whatever. Desertion is much more deliberate and nefarious.

168 Bubblehead II  Jun 4, 2014 3:02:53pm

re: #161 Amory Blaine

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I have seen the future and I am scared.

169 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 4, 2014 3:04:18pm

re: #154 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

They may legitimately be afraid of an even worse spectacle, of deranged haters showing up to jeer at him in person and make a horrible fucking scene.

The media is being worse than they were with Schiavo.

Could not agree more.

170 nines09  Jun 4, 2014 3:04:24pm

re: #167 EmmaAnne

This article at Mother Jones seems to indicate that even if Bergdahl walked away voluntarily, he was AWOL and not a deserter. Unless it is proved that the soldier has no intention of returning, the soldier isn’t considered to be a deserter until 30 days of being AWOL.

motherjones.com

I think it is a difference worth keeping in mind. AWOL can be accidental or sloppy or a temporary brain freeze or whatever. Desertion is much more deliberate and nefarious.

Stop mucking up the Rage Fest with facts.

171 The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2014 3:07:16pm

re: #154 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

They may legitimately be afraid of an even worse spectacle, of deranged haters showing up to jeer at him in person and make a horrible fucking scene.

The media is being worse than they were with Schiavo.

Odds that threats were made?

Let’s go look at all the other shit wingnuts make threats about….

172 Patricia Kayden  Jun 4, 2014 3:07:21pm

re: #50 Tyrion

news.yahoo.com

Man, this pisses me off.

BTW, long time lurker, first two times poster. I’ve gotten to where I need to see some sane comments on the internet after all the right wing crap I see here in Kentucky. So, I’m thankful for this site.

There are many sensible sites like this. Balloon-juice, Lawyers guns and money, pharyngula, joemygod, etc.

Stay sane!!

173 bratwurst  Jun 4, 2014 3:08:26pm
174 Amory Blaine  Jun 4, 2014 3:09:05pm

Any opinions on this game?

store.steampowered.com

175 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 4, 2014 3:09:36pm

re: #167 EmmaAnne

My grandfather, in the Phillipines in WWII, wrote about punishing AWOL soldiers with regularity and leniency, including one guy who who holed up fishing for a week and then walked back in—in that case, the leniency was partially because when they found him he’d caught a bunch of catfish that they then fried up and ate.

Inherent in this ‘desertion’ charge is that he was joining the Taliban. because otherwise, I mean, where was he ‘deserting’ to? The cry of ‘desertion’ is actually pretty directly accusing him of being a traitor.

176 Kragar  Jun 4, 2014 3:09:53pm

re: #174 Amory Blaine

Any opinions on this game?

store.steampowered.com

Not my thing

177 Kragar  Jun 4, 2014 3:11:17pm
178 Patricia Kayden  Jun 4, 2014 3:12:11pm

re: #64 Ace-o-aces

Have conservatives backtracked on anything? All of the non-scandals that they’ve tried to pin on President Obama have failed (Benghazi, IRS, Fast & Furious, etc.) but Republicans are still using them in a vain attempt to damage this administration and to raise $$$. They are interested in nothing more than playing political games.

179 Testy Toad T  Jun 4, 2014 3:12:27pm

re: #177 Kragar

If this kerfluffle ultimately has the effect of reducing or eliminating Twitter’s effect on our political discourse, then I’m all fucking for it.

180 Mike Lamb  Jun 4, 2014 3:13:05pm

re: #170 nines09

Stop mucking up the Rage Fest with facts.

As if that’s possible. You could have video of Bergdahl on patrol being jumped from behind by Taliban fighters and dragged away, and it would matter not a whit.

181 Sophist, D.D., DDS, DFH  Jun 4, 2014 3:15:56pm

re: #8 Testy Toad T

Hailey Idaho is about ten miles down the road from Sun Valley. And about 25 away from this.

Just because you’ve never heard of it, it doesn’t mean nobody else has.

182 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 3:16:47pm

re: #180 Mike Lamb

As if that’s possible. You could have video of Bergdahl on patrol being jumped from behind by Taliban fighters and dragged away, and it would matter not a whit.

Bergdahl’s ultimate “crime” was not holding out until 2017, when he could have been brought home by President Ted Cruz.

/

183 Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2014 3:16:49pm
184 GeneJockey  Jun 4, 2014 3:16:59pm

re: #178 Patricia Kayden

Have conservatives backtracked on anything? All of the non-scandals that they’ve tried to pin on President Obama have failed (Benghazi, IRS, Fast & Furious, etc.) but Republicans are still using them in a vain attempt to damage this administration and to raise $$$. They are interested in nothing more than playing political games.

Yep..Ed Dantes was on last night and mentioned every one of those and more as evidence the Obama Administration was scandal-ridden.

Investigations yield no evidence of wrongdoing? Doesn’t matter. The name of the scandal is enough.

185 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 3:17:29pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

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How long before they blame him for Benghazi? Before they start declaring that he knew the right consulates to attack and how?

186 Patricia Kayden  Jun 4, 2014 3:18:38pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

But it’s not weird that the Duck Dynasty clan all have beards, right Rightwingers?

187 A Mom Anon  Jun 4, 2014 3:18:50pm

re: #181 Sophist, D.D., DDS, DFH

Yeah, but I get the distinct impression that that mass influx of calls cancelling vacation plans is bullshit. I guess only time will tell, but I doubt someone who has paid a non refundable portion of a plane ticket, hotel room, car rental or whatever is going to throw away a vacation over something like this. It will be interesting to see if the local businesses actually do suffer in any way.

188 GeneJockey  Jun 4, 2014 3:18:51pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

How long before they blame him for Benghazi? Before they start declaring that he knew the right consulates to attack and how?

The answers are out there!

WAY out there.

189 Sophist, D.D., DDS, DFH  Jun 4, 2014 3:20:14pm

re: #12 jaunte

How many hotel beds does Hailey have, anyway? Twelve?


4 hotels, 3 B&Bs and 420 vacation rentals.

190 dog philosopher  Jun 4, 2014 3:20:18pm

frogs nudes chimes in a lightning poll:

Bergdahl was held captive for five years in Afghanistan. Voters are nearly evenly divided over the Taliban-exchange deal that got him released: 45 percent approve vs. 47 percent disapprove.

While 59 percent of Democrats approve of the swap, nearly a third disapproves (32 percent). Views among Republicans are reversed: 31 percent approve vs. 62 percent disapprove. Independents are more likely to disapprove (49 percent) than approve (41 percent) of the exchange.

It’s worth noting that this has been a fast-moving story and the poll was conducted before it was widely known that Bergdahl had written letters to his father saying he was ashamed to be an American and before the multiple news reports that Bergdahl intentionally walked off his post.

it’s worth noting

foxnews.com

191 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2014 3:20:44pm

If you twitter, you might want to tag Bob Bergdahl’s acct:

192 Mike Lamb  Jun 4, 2014 3:21:33pm

This is whole episode is just surreal. The speed with which this has happened is breathtaking (in the Seinfeldian sense). You have huge swathes of people, egged on by political operatives from one of two national parties (with a huge assist from the MSM) viciously smearing a soldier that was held captive for the last 5 years (along with his parents) with nothing more than hearsay and innuendo. No more than 6 months ago (and if you’d have asked, probably as recently as last week), they were yelling to do whatever needed to be done to get him back.

Now? Fuck him. He’s a traitor. The guy hasn’t even issued a public statement. There has been no investigation. Nothing. It’s well and truly unbelievable.

And the people that are having this shoved in their faces? Again, unbelievable.

Why? All because it’s a Democrat that did it. Where have we gone wrong?

193 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2014 3:21:49pm

re: #191 Justanotherhuman

Send them some love. : )

194 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 3:21:58pm

re: #190 dog philosopher

frogs nudes chimes in a lightning poll:

Bergdahl was held captive for five years in Afghanistan. Voters are nearly evenly divided over the Taliban-exchange deal that got him released: 45 percent approve vs. 47 percent disapprove.

While 59 percent of Democrats approve of the swap, nearly a third disapproves (32 percent). Views among Republicans are reversed: 31 percent approve vs. 62 percent disapprove. Independents are more likely to disapprove (49 percent) than approve (41 percent) of the exchange.

It’s worth noting that this has been a fast-moving story and the poll was conducted before it was widely known that Bergdahl had written letters to his father saying he was ashamed to be an American and before the multiple news reports that Bergdahl intentionally walked off his post.

it’s worth noting

foxnews.com

“Worth noting.”

Translation: “Before we’d sufficiently poisoned the well.”

195 darthstar  Jun 4, 2014 3:22:14pm
196 The War TARDIS  Jun 4, 2014 3:23:03pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

I really hope there can be very public lawsuits against those who promoted this. Lot of notables, but certainly Fox News and CNN.

197 Amory Blaine  Jun 4, 2014 3:23:19pm

198 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2014 3:24:27pm

re: #195 darthstar

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She’s a real wingnut…

199 Bubblehead II  Jun 4, 2014 3:24:51pm

re: #197 Amory Blaine

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I have so stolen your MBF.

200 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 3:25:06pm

re: #197 Amory Blaine

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“They might possibly be full of shit, but let’s not hold them accountable for it.”

201 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2014 3:25:12pm

re: #197 Amory Blaine

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A journalist who can’t spell? Or did he just invent a new word, like Palin does?

202 Testy Toad T  Jun 4, 2014 3:25:22pm

re: #181 Sophist, D.D., DDS, DFH

Hailey Idaho is about ten miles down the road from Sun Valley. And about 25 away from this.

Just because you’ve never heard of it, it doesn’t mean nobody else has.

I’ve done my visit to Craters of the Moon. I know the region.

I rather doubt that a large fraction of the hundred of calls per day they’re getting actually represent disgusted would-have-been tourists.

203 J A P  Jun 4, 2014 3:25:33pm

re: #181 Sophist, D.D., DDS, DFH

According to Trip Advisor there are four hotels with a total of 155 rooms.

I didn’t think that people were saying that no one would ever go to Hailey, just that the likelihood that all the people phoning to say that were planning on going sometime soon and now wouldn’t were probably, at best, exaggerating their intent to vacation there.

204 A Mom Anon  Jun 4, 2014 3:25:53pm

re: #197 Amory Blaine

OFFS, he has some serious fucking nerve. Master of Derp himself decrying derp he helped derp along down the Derp Highway.

What an asshole.

205 Patricia Kayden  Jun 4, 2014 3:26:08pm

re: #133 ObserverArt

And how are they going to impeach the President for securing the safe return of an American POW? He’s not the first President to negotiate the release of a POW with our enemies. Saint Ronnie Reagan traded weapons to Iran for the release of hostages. Bush freed scores of Gitmo detainees.

This is just another cycle of faux outrage and hypocrisy by the Rightwing who hate President Obama.

206 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2014 3:26:51pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

“Worth noting.”

Translation: “Before we’d sufficiently poisoned the well.”

It wasn’t “letters”; it was allegedly emails, as noted in the Michael Hastings’ piece in Rolling Stone and no one outside of his family has ever seen them, not even Hastings.

207 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 3:26:56pm

208 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 3:28:18pm

re: #197 Amory Blaine

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Meet Jake Tapper, journalist.

209 Testy Toad T  Jun 4, 2014 3:28:39pm

re: #207 Gus

He needs to fire his makeup person.

210 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 3:28:47pm

re: #207 Gus

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Is it alive?

211 Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2014 3:29:08pm

re: #202 Testy Toad T

I’ve done my visit to Craters of the Moon. I know the region.

I rather doubt that a large fraction of the hundred of calls per day they’re getting actually represent disgusted would-have-been tourists.

Oh no - that’s a pretty standard asshole tactic, to claim they were going to do something good for somebody but now FUCK YOU. I’ve seen this many times with LGF trolls too.

It’s a dim-wit’s way to increase the hurt factor of what they’re saying. That’s what it’s for.

212 GeneJockey  Jun 4, 2014 3:29:27pm

re: #192 Mike Lamb

This is whole episode is just surreal. The speed with which this has happened is breathtaking (in the Seinfeldian sense). You have huge swathes of people, egged on by political operatives from one of two national parties (with a huge assist from the MSM) viciously smearing a soldier that was held captive for the last 5 years (along with his parents) with nothing more than hearsay and innuendo. No more than 6 months ago (and if you’d have asked, probably as recently as last week), they were yelling to do whatever needed to be done to get him back.

Now? Fuck him. He’s a traitor. The guy hasn’t even issued a public statement. There has been no investigation. Nothing. It’s well and truly unbelievable.

And the people that are having this shoved in their faces? Again, unbelievable.

Why? All because it’s a Democrat that did it. Where have we gone wrong?

“Many felt coming down from the trees had been a mistake. Others felt the trees were a mistake, and they should never have left the water.”
///

I think, honestly, it’s the fault of those who, for political gain, spent the last 40 or so years delegitimizing expertise, science, even reality itself. We used to all live in the same world, but saw it from different viewpoints.

Now we no longer share a common reality.

As I read comments on FB posts from Conservatives, or anyplace else where they congregate, I no longer find people living in the same universe as me. They live in a place where what they want to believe is true because they believe it, and if reality dose not conform to their expectations, it’s reality that’s faulty. This has been encouraged by the tearing down of every independent source of verifiable fact, none of which are to be trusted, according to an alarmingly large percentage of our fellow Americans.

213 BongCrodny  Jun 4, 2014 3:29:56pm

re: #152 klys

I’d like to laugh, but far more likely is that we’ll end up with a neoConfederate Senator if the challenger wins.

Don’t we already have at least one of those?

I don’t have access to any articles at the moment, but if the topic continues I’ll search — but I seem to recall that Sen. Beauregard Sessions has had a few speaking engagements over the years with some very Confederacy-friendly groups.

Am I mistaken in this belief?

214 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 3:30:12pm

re: #207 Gus

10ft pole, anyone?

215 klys  Jun 4, 2014 3:30:54pm

re: #213 BongCrodny

Don’t we already have at least one of those?

I don’t have access to any articles at the moment, but if the topic continues I’ll search — but I seem to recall that Sen. Beauregard Sessions has had a few speaking engagements over the years with some very Confederacy-friendly groups.

Am I mistaken in this belief?

Probably, this one would just be even more blatant.

/sigh

I think I will go plan meals instead.

216 Patricia Kayden  Jun 4, 2014 3:30:55pm

re: #196 The War TARDIS

I really hope there can be very public lawsuits against those who promoted this. Lot of notables, but certainly Fox News and CNN.

I was wondering about that. Can Bergdahl and his family sue for defamation of character? Looks like he’s already been denigrated and I assume his parents are being subjected to death threats as we speak.

217 Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2014 3:31:01pm

re: #207 Gus

Reminds me of…

Youtube Video

218 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 4, 2014 3:31:02pm

Can you imagine living with the idea, for five years, that your son was being held and possibly tortured by the Taliban?

I can’t. The closest I can get is thinking of it happening to my brother and I can’t even bear to think about it for a second. I have the luxury to not think about it. Berdghal Sr did not. For five years he thought of what might be happening to his son.

219 Amory Blaine  Jun 4, 2014 3:31:03pm

re: #207 Gus

He’s a sad clown.

220 allegro  Jun 4, 2014 3:31:13pm

re: #207 Gus

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Caption: I pooped my pants again. I need my mommy.

221 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 3:32:32pm

re: #214 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

10ft pole, anyone?

I has Photoshop.

222 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 4, 2014 3:33:54pm

Has Bergdahl made any kind of a public statement yet?

223 klys  Jun 4, 2014 3:34:42pm

re: #222 Eclectic Cyborg

Has Bergdahl made any kind of a public statement yet?

Sgt. Bergdahl is still being treated at a US military hospital in Germany and has not said anything.

I don’t think his parents have said anything since their appearance with President Obama.

224 GeneJockey  Jun 4, 2014 3:34:44pm

re: #197 Amory Blaine

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Someone with the heft to do so needs to ask Tapper for examples of the LW derp he asserts is out there.

225 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2014 3:34:46pm

All right, then, let’s see if a Republican spills anything. If they even hint at anything, I hope they’re sanctioned.

Emerging from classified briefing on Sgt. Bergdahl’s release, Sen Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., says he can neither discuss his questions nor the answers received - @markknoller
see original on twitter.com

226 A Mom Anon  Jun 4, 2014 3:35:13pm

re: #206 Justanotherhuman

I was wondering about that. Because to hear some of these asses talk, you’d think they had the emails and had memorized them.

What’s interesting is that my wingnut friends on Facebook haven’t said a WORD about any of this. The only thing I’ve seen so far is a cartoon monkey flinging poop with some idiotic saying about liberals and their “facts” but no conversation, nothing. My Vet friends (all lefties ,most know each other) haven’t commented either, I messaged one of them this morning and he basically said” Sister, I am too PISSED to say much, we’re just waiting to see what we can find out”. No one wants to step in it, which is good.

227 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 3:35:52pm

228 Amory Blaine  Jun 4, 2014 3:35:53pm

re: #208 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

That’s the kind of crap you get from him. Over and over.

229 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 3:37:12pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

Rather:
Youtube Video

230 Lidane  Jun 4, 2014 3:38:15pm

For the Lizards who might remember, is this reaction and hate against Bergdahl anything like what Vietnam veterans were getting from people when they came home? I’m having a hard time thinking of a time that I’ve ever seen a POW being treated as if he was a serial killer who should have been left to rot with his captors.

231 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2014 3:38:30pm

re: #219 Amory Blaine

He’s a sad clown.

Whiter than white.

232 Romantic Heretic  Jun 4, 2014 3:38:43pm

re: #174 Amory Blaine

Any opinions on this game?

store.steampowered.com

It looks like the type of thing that will give an adult nightmares, never mind a two year old. The videos creeped me right out.

233 Bubblehead II  Jun 4, 2014 3:40:56pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

Reminds me of…

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That was definitely on the freaky side.

234 Sophist, D.D., DDS, DFH  Jun 4, 2014 3:41:55pm

re: #102 darthstar

It’s a small town. Tourism isn’t their #1 business.

Well, someone should tell the Hailey Chamber of Commerce that.

235 EmmaAnne  Jun 4, 2014 3:42:22pm

re: #230 Lidane

For the Lizards who might remember, is this reaction and hate against Bergdahl anything like what Vietnam veterans were getting from people when they came home? I’m having a hard time thinking of a time that I’ve ever seen a POW being treated as if he was a serial killer who should have been left to rot with his captors.

I asked my mom about that one time. She was a true DFH back in the day, wearing tie dye and going to peace rallies. She said no one she knew ever spit on or yelled at or was hostile in any way to the returning vets. She said they were people their age, their siblings and people they knew, and many were in horrible shape from the war (and she still knows many Vietnam vets, some still not in good shape, so I believe it). They were horrified and sad - not mean and hostile.

236 Romantic Heretic  Jun 4, 2014 3:42:58pm

re: #205 Patricia Kayden

And how are they going to impeach the President for securing the safe return of an American POW? He’s not the first President to negotiate the release of a POW with our enemies. Saint Ronnie Reagan traded weapons to Iran for the release of hostages. Bush freed scores of Gitmo detainees.

This is just another cycle of faux outrage and hypocrisy by the Rightwing who hate President Obama the N-word in the White House.

FTFY.

237 Killgore Trout  Jun 4, 2014 3:43:35pm

re: #222 Eclectic Cyborg

Has Bergdahl made any kind of a public statement yet?

No, it’s going to be a while. As of yesterday his condition is so fragile they haven’t even started asking him about his capture.

238 dog philosopher  Jun 4, 2014 3:43:35pm

re: #230 Lidane

For the Lizards who might remember, is this reaction and hate against Bergdahl anything like what Vietnam veterans were getting from people when they came home? I’m having a hard time thinking of a time that I’ve ever seen a POW being treated as if he was a serial killer who should have been left to rot with his captors.

the whole idea that vietnam veterans got a bad reaction when they came home has been vastly overblown

there may have been some people somewhere that called them killers, but the 1968-era wingnut reaction blew up a very few scattered incidents into much much more than it ever was in reality

239 GeneJockey  Jun 4, 2014 3:46:01pm

re: #230 Lidane

For the Lizards who might remember, is this reaction and hate against Bergdahl anything like what Vietnam veterans were getting from people when they came home? I’m having a hard time thinking of a time that I’ve ever seen a POW being treated as if he was a serial killer who should have been left to rot with his captors.

Not that I recall. The Vietnam vets were largely draftees, who really didn’t have a hell of a lot of choice in the matter. I’m sure there were SOME who called them babykillers, etc, but by and large the folks protesting were in danger of being drafted themselves, so they were likely more inclined to sympathy rather than hatred.

I think what many Vietnam vets experienced may have had to do with the difference between Vietnam and, say WWII, where the entire nation and economy had been turned over to the war effort, where everyone was in for the duration, and there was a defined end. Vietnam vets returned to the world from a war that was still ongoing, to an America where it was in the news, but didn’t really have much of any effect on day-to-day living. Often they were returned with startling rapidity, and expected to immediately jump back into everyday, humdrum America after being in the jungle in imminent danger of death for no obvious reason for a long time. No parades, no welcome home speeches.

And by the time the whole thing ended, pretty much everyone just wanted it to go away.

240 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 3:46:26pm
241 dog philosopher  Jun 4, 2014 3:48:37pm

i can’t even imagine what the reaction of bergdahl’s parents might be to this giant shitstorm calling their son a traitor and an coward

242 GeneJockey  Jun 4, 2014 3:48:42pm

re: #238 dog philosopher

the whole idea that vietnam veterans got a bad reaction when they came home has been vastly overblown

there may have been some people somewhere that called them killers, but the 1968-era wingnut reaction blew up a very few scattered incidents into much much more than it ever was in reality

Dolchstosslegende.

243 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 3:48:53pm
244 A Mom Anon  Jun 4, 2014 3:49:35pm

re: #235 EmmaAnne

My paternal grandfather’s sister had 5 kids, 3 girls and 2 boys. Both the boys were drafted and went to Vietnam. The girls were all hippy dippy flower children (who often babysat me, which was always fun) who went to war protests and the like. I was young then, but I never remember any one being nasty or hateful to any returning veteran. When the brothers came home I remember them being different people than when they left. One helped me learn to read, I remember sitting on his lap and he would read to me for as long as I wanted to. When they came back one was addicted to heroin, the other had trouble keeping a job or any focus. Both had PTSD. Their mom was a widow and her home was always open to everyone, so there were lots of social things going on there all the time. I never once heard or saw anything that was mean or awful relating to her sons. Everyone was way too happy they were alive and home to be anything else.

245 GeneJockey  Jun 4, 2014 3:50:37pm

re: #241 dog philosopher

i can’t even imagine what the reaction of bergdahl’s parents might be to this giant shitstorm calling their son a traitor and an coward

I’m still struggling with the idea that Obama turned this kid into The Most Hated American Soldier Ever. How the hell does THAT work, since all Obama did was get him out? I mean, in a way it’s true, because the fact that Obama did it means the RW cannot accept is as a good thing, but still.

246 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2014 3:53:08pm

re: #235 EmmaAnne

I asked my mom about that one time. She was a true DFH back in the day, wearing tie dye and going to peace rallies. She said no one she knew ever spit on or yelled at or was hostile in any way to the returning vets. She said they were people their age, their siblings and people they knew, and many were in horrible shape from the war (and she still knows many Vietnam vets, some still not in good shape, so I believe it). They were horrified and sad - not mean and hostile.

I was in the same position. We always had some returning vets from Vietnam in our various demonstrations (into the early ’70s), but I never saw anyone spit, hit or otherwise act hostile toward any of them. In fact, some were more vehemently against the war than your ordinary protester—after all, they had seen the horror that was Vietnam first hand.

It was like the “bra-burning” meme. I never saw that, either, even though I’m a feminist, until we decided to make it a reality at a party one night. : )

247 EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2014 3:53:52pm

re: #242 GeneJockey

Dolchstosslegende.

Indeed. It is hard to improperly Godwin a movement/party that is so desperately seeking scapegoats whose elimination would be offered as the sole response to address imaginary grievances.

248 GeneJockey  Jun 4, 2014 3:56:53pm

re: #246 Justanotherhuman

I was in the same position. We always had some returning vets from Vietnam in our various demonstrations (into the early ’70s), but I never saw anyone spit, hit or otherwise act hostile toward any of them. In fact, some were more vehemently against the war than your ordinary protester—after all, they had seen the horror that was Vietnam first hand.

It was like the “bra-burning” meme. I never saw that, either, even though I’m a feminist, until we decided to make it a reality at a party one night. : )

As I remember it - and my family were fairly active in the peace movement, being part of one of the traditional ‘Peace Churches’ (Mennonite) - was that the peace movement drew a very clear distinction between the Administration and the military brass on the one hand, and the soldiers fighting it on the other.

249 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2014 3:59:22pm

This is great.

250 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 3:59:31pm

Today’s news in one pic.

251 wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2014 3:59:33pm

Bowe walked off the res like Geronimo.
Barack swapped him for five from Guantanamo.
Some wingnuts agreed,
‘Though it’s good he was freed
It was not s’posed to be an Obama show!’

252 allegro  Jun 4, 2014 4:02:04pm

I have been a VA volunteer for a number of years so I know and talk to a lot of Nam vets. Not yet have I heard one say he was spat upon or otherwise directly mistreated upon return home. What I have heard from several is a resentment directed at the anti-war protesters of the day who they feel belittled their efforts, a kind of ‘insult to injury’ thing. They felt shat upon by the military and government already, forced into that hellhole as so much cannon fodder for no good reason and then they felt disrespected by the people as well.

253 EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2014 4:02:34pm

re: #249 Justanotherhuman

The GOP/RWNJ response to this challenge is to dispense with the idea of people having consciences.

254 ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2014 4:03:01pm

re: #205 Patricia Kayden

And how are they going to impeach the President for securing the safe return of an American POW? He’s not the first President to negotiate the release of a POW with our enemies. Saint Ronnie Reagan traded weapons to Iran for the release of hostages. Bush freed scores of Gitmo detainees.

This is just another cycle of faux outrage and hypocrisy by the Rightwing who hate President Obama.

I said I hoped I was wrong. Outside that, keep watching because I don’t think you have been. And one more point, that hatred you mention, they do it for a reason.

255 The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2014 4:03:24pm

re: #250 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Today’s news in one pic.

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Whoa.

Where’s that from and who did it?

256 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 4:03:52pm

Some dipshit on another board’s convinced that the Army already has enough evidence to charge Bowe with desertion, but the reason they’ve not changed his status or put a hold on his promotions is “government bureaucracy.” Says things move so slow in DC that the Army just hadn’t gotten around to it before he was released.

257 klys  Jun 4, 2014 4:04:08pm

Filed my comment with the FCC on the whole net neutrality bit. Hope they’re going to enjoy reading what the Internet has to say.

258 dog philosopher  Jun 4, 2014 4:04:49pm

re: #250 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Today’s news in one pic.

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jazz incunabula: a selection of renaissance hells

259 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 4:05:18pm

re: #255 The Ghost of a Flea

Matthias Grünewald - Temptation of St. Anthony

260 Feline Overlord  Jun 4, 2014 4:06:25pm

Long time lurker here-

Hailey is probably the most urban town in Idaho north of Boise. My family is from near there, and I was there just two years ago. It’s most known for having the airport that the celebrities land at on their way to Sun Valley.

Their heavy tourism season is in the winter, but it’s also a nice place to visit in the summer, especially so you can see the Craters of the Moon national park; well worth it.

I doubt that any of the people calling the CoC had reservations, but don’t pick on Hailey. It’s a nice place full of nice people.

261 The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 4, 2014 4:07:00pm

re: #256 Targetpractice

Some dipshit on another board’s convinced that the Army already has enough evidence to charge Bowe with desertion, but the reason they’ve not changed his status or put a hold on his promotions is “government bureaucracy.” Says things move so slow in DC that the Army just hadn’t gotten around to it before he was released.

Public unfounded accusations have poisoned the well. If the Army finds no wrongdoing—or waives a penalty—it’s conspiracy and Mooslamic Obama et cetera.

262 EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2014 4:07:27pm

re: #256 Targetpractice

Some dipshit on another board’s convinced that the Army already has enough evidence to charge Bowe with desertion, but the reason they’ve not changed his status or put a hold on his promotions is “government bureaucracy.” Says things move so slow in DC that the Army just hadn’t gotten around to it before he was released.

Sounds like Heinz 57 varieties of bullshit to me. It would be idiotic for the Army to determine someone’s status preemptively like this while the possibility exists of talking to that person.

263 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 4:07:57pm

re: #258 dog philosopher

The bellyface motif is ubiquitous in demonography, I wonder if Carpenter got inspiration from that.

264 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 4:08:40pm
266 EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2014 4:12:21pm

re: #265 dog philosopher

Good find! The given synonyms are also worth noting:

“pulling a one-hatey”

“Kenyan boomerang”

267 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 4:12:22pm

re: #262 EPR-radar

Sounds like Heinz 57 varieties of bullshit to me. It would be idiotic for the Army to determine someone’s status preemptively like this while the possibility exists of talking to that person.

This is a full metal wingnut, boasts being ex-Army and having talked to the other guys in Bergdahl’s unit, and is convinced that they’re telling the total truth, he deserted to join the Taliban, and the Army has sat on that info for years. He’s also convinced that the White House is gonna work to shut down the investigation because it’ll hurt them when he’s court-martialed and convicted of desertion and treason.

Did I mention this nutter’s a conspiracy theorist?

268 klys  Jun 4, 2014 4:12:31pm

re: #264 Gus

…I guess I can see where GG would think what’s been happening in the press in sympathy. It’s only vaguely harsher than the critiques he gets, right?

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269 GeneJockey  Jun 4, 2014 4:13:45pm

re: #267 Targetpractice

This is a full metal wingnut, boasts being ex-Army and having talked to the other guys in Bergdahl’s unit, and is convinced that they’re telling the total truth, he deserted to join the Taliban, and the Army has sat on that info for years. He’s also convinced that the White House is gonna work to shut down the investigation because it’ll hurt them when he’s court-martialed and convicted of desertion and treason.

Did I mention this nutter’s a conspiracy theorist?

That would have been redundant.

270 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2014 4:14:49pm

re: #264 Gus

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Oh, go fuck yourself, Godwald. We’ve been talking about them for many years.

Where the hell have you been, you pandering piece of opportunistic greedy gut?

I thank the stars above that you’ll never be the dictator you truly want to be.

271 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2014 4:15:25pm

re: #151 Rightwingconspirator

Grrr. They decided how. Town canceled the homecoming rally. Infuriating. The guy have had a welcome home rally, and made to feel welcome by his neighbors. But no, they cave in to a bunch of partisan assholes. Sad and angry about this.

And as I understand it, it wasn’t even a “homecoming”. It was an annual event the town has been holding.

272 EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2014 4:16:00pm

re: #267 Targetpractice

This is a full metal wingnut, boasts being ex-Army and having talked to the other guys in Bergdahl’s unit, and is convinced that they’re telling the total truth, he deserted to join the Taliban, and the Army has sat on that info for years. He’s also convinced that the White House is gonna work to shut down the investigation because it’ll hurt them when he’s court-martialed and convicted of desertion and treason.

Did I mention this nutter’s a conspiracy theorist?

Sounds like a mainstream Republican to me, unless the other conspiracy theories are too ‘out there’.

To be viewed as a nut in GOP lala land, one probably needs to deny the moon landings.

273 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2014 4:17:17pm

re: #264 Gus

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Funny, Glenn, I was criticizing Gitmo when you were being the same nasty pos you are now to anyone who criticized the Bush admin.

274 wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2014 4:19:49pm

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

And as I understand it, it wasn’t even a “homecoming”. It was an annual event the town has been holding.

They were going to have Carole King there.

275 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 4:20:44pm

re: #273 HappyWarrior

I think he was always anti-Bush.

276 Zamb  Jun 4, 2014 4:22:03pm

re: #270 Justanotherhuman

This is pretty normal with the crowd he serves, claim no one is talking about your particular issue even if they are, then point to entertainment news as evidence that everyone else is lazy and superficial. It’s particularly bad when the issue at hand is many years old and the debate has largely run its course.

277 EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2014 4:23:19pm

re: #275 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

I think he was always anti-Bush.

At one point GG defended the Bush’s administration’s disdain for world opinion in making its decisions.

It would be interesting if something more unequivocally pro-Bush by GG surfaces.

278 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 4:23:48pm

ThinkProgress points out what should have been obvious by now: Unless the “GWOT” continues on indefinitely, then once hostilities against the Taliban ended, we’re required under the Geneva Conventions to release these five anyway. Even if we tried to argue that they were still “unlawful combatants,” we still needed to charge and convict them of crimes against the US, something it seems none of the five released has even been accused of.

279 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 4:24:15pm

re: #277 EPR-radar

It was an attack on “the media”. Them he purported to hate even more than Bush.

280 EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2014 4:25:28pm

re: #279 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

It was an attack on “the media”. Them he purported to hate even more than Bush.

Good point. Now GG seem rather fond of media that gives him $$$ and/or favorable coverage.

281 Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2014 4:27:59pm

re: #279 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

It was an attack on “the media”. Them he purported to hate even more than Bush.

Glenn Greenwald’s Hilarious Denial About His Support for Iraq War

282 Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2014 4:28:58pm

Greenwald admitted in the foreword to one of his books that he was pro-Bush, but said his political ideas “hadn’t fully formed” at that point, so we’re supposed to forget about it.

283 CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2014 4:30:18pm

ZOMG, the Bible Belt—America is doomed!!11! // Here’s the map.

284 wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2014 4:31:10pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

Greenwald admitted in the foreword to one of his books that he was pro-Bush, but said his political ideas “hadn’t fully formed” at that point, so we’re supposed to forget about it.

How is babby Greenwald formed?

285 Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2014 4:31:49pm

re: #284 wrenchwench

Heh.

286 Decatur Deb  Jun 4, 2014 4:31:52pm

re: #213 BongCrodny

Don’t we already have at least one of those?

I don’t have access to any articles at the moment, but if the topic continues I’ll search — but I seem to recall that Sen. Beauregard Sessions has had a few speaking engagements over the years with some very Confederacy-friendly groups.

Am I mistaken in this belief?

Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III, and we’re not talkn’ Thomas J.

287 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2014 4:32:43pm

re: #283 CuriousLurker

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ZOMG, the Bible Belt—America is doomed!!11! // Here’s the map.

The Bible Belt - soon to be known as the Qur’an Belt.

Heh. I wonder what Pammy will have to say? Epic freakout guaranteed.

288 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 4, 2014 4:33:20pm

re: #283 CuriousLurker

Good luck figuring out “Baha’i”, wingnuts.

289 Lidane  Jun 4, 2014 4:33:39pm
290 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2014 4:33:58pm

re: #283 CuriousLurker

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ZOMG, the Bible Belt—America is doomed!!11! // Here’s the map.

Well, flog me with a wet noodle. : )

“In 20 states, mostly in the Midwest and South, Islam is the largest non-Christian faith tradition.”

291 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 4:34:14pm

re: #289 Lidane

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My surprise, etc.

292 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 4:34:18pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

Well, he does have a point - back then he was not a journalist, but rather a pornographer. ;)

He also accused Greenwald of having bullied him into signing the deal, citing several twisted emails that he said were from Greenwald, whose email address was, “DomMascHry31.”

nydailynews.com

293 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 4:34:53pm

Speaking of splodey heads.

294 Lidane  Jun 4, 2014 4:35:11pm

re: #283 CuriousLurker

Look at all those Muslims in the South. I’m sure that gives the RWNJs heartburn.

295 piratedan  Jun 4, 2014 4:35:55pm

to be honest I’m not surprised at the speed at which the RW ragegasm has erupted. Hell, I was here for Shirley Sherrod and this is the same MO, convict the “transgressor” in the court of the media 24 hour news cycle. Own the news cycle. Have the truth come out in dribs and drabs later and all the low information voter will remember is that somehow Obama supported a deserting soldier and gave up 5 terrorists to plague the US again.

reince and repeat….

for other examples, see Benghazi, IRS, Fast and Furious, Obamacare, and NSA Oversight

296 Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2014 4:36:18pm

re: #293 Gus

Uh oh. Now watch them start trying to take away that money by any means necessary.

297 A Mom Anon  Jun 4, 2014 4:37:06pm

re: #289 Lidane

Um, if this proves he’s a Muslim then it’s not really a secret now is it? And if there is more “evidence” then it’s REALLY like the worst kept secret EVAR.

If only we could harness The Stupid in this country we could be energy independent in about an hour, and the climate change crisis would be solved.

298 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 4:37:59pm

re: #293 Gus

Speaking of splodey heads.

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Technically no, while he’s under investigation, that back pay and his scheduled promotion are on hold. Since, in the event he is charged and convicted with desertion, one of the likely terms of the verdict will be forfeiture of all pay and benefits from the time he was gone.

299 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 4:38:05pm

re: #275 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

I think he was always anti-Bush since he began to write about politics.

FTFM.

300 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 4:40:06pm

re: #285 Charles Johnson

Heh.

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301 EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2014 4:41:42pm

re: #300 Gus

The BbenStork. Obviously.

302 wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2014 4:41:49pm

re: #295 piratedan

reince and repeat….

Heh. I might be borrowing that.

303 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 4:42:27pm

re: #300 Gus

What’s up with ‘bb’?

304 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 4:43:31pm

re: #303 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

What’s up with ‘bb’?

Where do babby come from.

305 EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2014 4:44:18pm

re: #302 wrenchwench

Heh. I might be borrowing that.

Disemvoweling ‘Reince Priebus’ gives RNC PR BS. I don’t think I’ll ever get tired of that one.

306 dog philosopher  Jun 4, 2014 4:49:21pm

re: #304 Gus

Where do babby come from.

meme search yields this:

they need to do way instain mother> who kill thier babbys. becuse these babby cant frigth back? it was on the news this mroing a mother in ar who had kill her three kids . they are taking the three babby back to new york too lady to rest my pary are with the father who lost his chrilden ; i am truley sorry for your lots.

307 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 4:50:10pm

BTW, from that preface by GG:

My primary political belief was that both parties were plagued by extremists who were equally dangerous and destructive

308 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 4:50:58pm
309 CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2014 4:52:21pm

re: #307 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

BTW, from that preface by GG:

Thank goodness GG’s not extreme, huh? //

310 EPR-radar  Jun 4, 2014 4:53:27pm

re: #307 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

GG was born in 1967. At no time while GG was an adult has this been remotely close to true. We can add delusional and/or politically naive to GG’s already impressive resume.

311 piratedan  Jun 4, 2014 4:54:05pm

re: #309 CuriousLurker

well he certainly comes to the debate fact free and unburdened by insight

312 wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2014 4:55:00pm

My brother the biologist found a flower on which biology was having a field day.

313 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 4, 2014 4:55:09pm
314 CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2014 4:55:42pm

re: #312 wrenchwench

My brother the biologist found a flower on which biology was having a field day.

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Whoaaaaa.

315 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2014 4:56:26pm

Good night Lizards.

316 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 4:56:29pm

re: #312 wrenchwench

My brother the biologist found a flower on which biology was having a field day.

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That’s one busy flower. One moth, and one spider about to gobble up a fly on its back.

317 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 4, 2014 4:57:18pm

re: #312 wrenchwench

My brother the biologist found a flower on which biology was having a field day.

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Was the fly screaming for Mothra to save him?

318 ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2014 4:58:34pm

re: #230 Lidane

For the Lizards who might remember, is this reaction and hate against Bergdahl anything like what Vietnam veterans were getting from people when they came home? I’m having a hard time thinking of a time that I’ve ever seen a POW being treated as if he was a serial killer who should have been left to rot with his captors.

Well, to make light of it…the Vietnam vets didn’t have to worry how they were treated until they ran for president.

There were some questions about some soldiers involved in the war of course. Lt. William Calley probably the biggest story due to the My Lai Massacre. So, that had huge rumblings of people taking sides and justifying and all that. But nothing like this. Of course, the media wasn’t anywhere near as ubiquitous as now. No blogs and Smart Phone Videos, etc.

319 wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2014 4:58:37pm

re: #317 Feline Fearless Leader

Was the fly screaming for Mothra to save him?

Mothra could be next! There’s web all over those petals.

320 Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2014 4:59:10pm

re: #312 wrenchwench

My brother the biologist found a flower on which biology was having a field day.

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Sho good eatin’!

321 Cheechako  Jun 4, 2014 4:59:26pm

Late last night someone posted a Wikileaks post containing the supposed transcript of the events surrounding Bergdahls capture. The military posting had transcripts of the translated, real-time Taliban radio conversations during Bergdahl’s capture.

Has this “leak” been confirmed?

If so, the Taliban were talking about a US soldier answering “a call of nature” just before he was captured. He was captured “after he cleaned up”.

It would be extremely ironic if a Wikileaks release gave the best reason of why Bergdahl was away from his post!

322 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 4:59:44pm

re: #313 NJDhockeyfan

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What an odd thing to say to a guy you’ve been buddies with for five years. You’d almost think that he was their captive or something.

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323 Kragar  Jun 4, 2014 5:01:33pm
324 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 5:03:42pm

re: #321 Cheechako

Late last night someone posted a Wikileaks post containing the supposed transcript of the events surrounding Bergdahls capture. The military posting had transcripts of the translated, real-time Taliban radio conversations during Bergdahl’s capture.

Has this “leak” been confirmed?

If so, the Taliban were talking about a US soldier answering “a call of nature” just before he was captured. He was captured “after he cleaned up”.

It would be extremely ironic if a Wikileaks release gave the best reason of why Bergdahl was away from his post!

Confirmed? No, but it’s been reported by the media, even as recently as this past March, that Wikileaks had a transcript showing radio chatter from the Taliban in the area at that time. That they’d caught a soldier in a makeshift latrine without a gun and sent out word to make a video announcing his capture.

325 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 4, 2014 5:04:17pm

re: #321 Cheechako

Late last night someone posted a Wikileaks post containing the supposed transcript of the events surrounding Bergdahls capture. The military posting had transcripts of the translated, real-time Taliban radio conversations during Bergdahl’s capture.

Has this “leak” been confirmed?

If so, the Taliban were talking about a US soldier answering “a call of nature” just before he was captured. He was captured “after he cleaned up”.

It would be extremely ironic if a Wikileaks release gave the best reason of why Bergdahl was away from his post!

Is this the one? I haven’t read it yet.

326 Cheechako  Jun 4, 2014 5:06:04pm

re: #324 Targetpractice

Thanks. I was wondering ifdates, time and location were verified with what actually happened on the ground.

327 Killgore Trout  Jun 4, 2014 5:06:27pm

re: #321 Cheechako

Late last night someone posted a Wikileaks post containing the supposed transcript of the events surrounding Bergdahls capture. The military posting had transcripts of the translated, real-time Taliban radio conversations during Bergdahl’s capture.

Has this “leak” been confirmed?

If so, the Taliban were talking about a US soldier answering “a call of nature” just before he was captured. He was captured “after he cleaned up”.

It would be extremely ironic if a Wikileaks release gave the best reason of why Bergdahl was away from his post!

He was in a village miles away asking for someone who spoke English and looking for the Taliban
Afghan villagers recall when Bergdahl stumbled into their midst
He might have had a mental breakdown, took drugs and/or just had a really stupid idea.

328 GeneJockey  Jun 4, 2014 5:07:01pm

How the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch do you make tiny text?

329 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 5:07:03pm

re: #325 NJDhockeyfan

Is this the one? I haven’t read it yet.

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They can’t seem to make up their minds. The story says that he was caught while trying to get somebody who spoke English to help him speak with “unknown agents,” but right there in the transcript it says they caught him with his pants down, taking a shit without his gun nearby.

330 Cheechako  Jun 4, 2014 5:07:29pm

re: #325 NJDhockeyfan

Yes that’s the one.

331 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 4, 2014 5:08:55pm

re: #323 Kragar

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332 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 5:09:32pm

re: #325 NJDhockeyfan

Is this the one? I haven’t read it yet.

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333 Killgore Trout  Jun 4, 2014 5:09:54pm

re: #325 NJDhockeyfan

Is this the one? I haven’t read it yet.

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It is curious that the Wikileaks cables don;t specifically mention the part about looking for the Taliban, just that he was looking for someone who spoke English. I’m not sure why the Taliban is left out.

334 Kragar  Jun 4, 2014 5:10:06pm
335 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 5:10:57pm

UPDATE: 0610z LLVI TRAFFIC FROM REDRIDGE: freq 162.1 1- W ARE READY FOR THEM. 2- ALL THE NUMBERS ARE MESS IT. WE ARE WWAITING FOR THEM. 1- LOL THEY KNOW WHERE HE IS BUT THEY KEEP GOING TO WRONG AREA. 2- OK SET UP THE WORK FOR THEM. 1- YES WE HAVE A LOT OF IED ON THE ROAD. 2- GOD WILLING WE WILL DO IT. 1- WE WERE ATTACKING THE POST HE WAS SITTING TAKING EXPLETIVE HE HAD NO GUN WITH HIM. HE WAS TAKING EXPLETIVE, HE HAS NOT CLEANED HIS BUTT YET. 2- WHAT SHEAM FOR THEM. 1- I DONT THINK HE W 2-YES LOOK THEY HAVE ALL AMERICANS, ANA HELICOPTERS THE PLANES ARE LOOKING FOR HIM. 1- I THINK HE IS BIG SHOT THAT WHY THEY ARE LOOKING FOR HIM. 3-CAN YOU GUYS MAKE A VIDEO OF HIM AND ANNOUNCE IT ALL OVER AFGHANISTAN THAT WE HAVE ONE OF THE AMERICANS. 1- WE ALREADY HAVE A VIDEO OF HIM.

336 Killgore Trout  Jun 4, 2014 5:11:24pm

re: #329 Targetpractice

They can’t seem to make up their minds. The story says that he was caught while trying to get somebody who spoke English to help him speak with “unknown agents,” but right there in the transcript it says they caught him with his pants down, taking a shit without his gun nearby.

It probably because not all the actions were happening simultaneously. There was probably a sequence.

337 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 5:11:42pm

re: #333 Killgore Trout

It is curious that the Wikileaks cables don;t specifically mention the part about looking for the Taliban, just that he was looking for someone who spoke English. I’m not sure why the Taliban is left out.

You consider perhaps that the people making such claims are inserting their own conclusions?

338 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 5:12:55pm

re: #329 Targetpractice

They can’t seem to make up their minds. The story says that he was caught while trying to get somebody who spoke English to help him speak with “unknown agents,” but right there in the transcript it says they caught him with his pants down, taking a shit without his gun nearby.

The transcript has both messages. Also, there is no contradiction between them - apparently he was asking for someone English-speaking in the village, and then got captured.

339 Romantic Heretic  Jun 4, 2014 5:13:32pm

re: #288 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Good luck figuring out “Baha’i”, wingnuts.

I can never see the word ‘Baha’i’ without hearing this song play in my head.

Youtube Video

340 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 5:13:50pm

re: #321 Cheechako

He was captured “after he cleaned up”.

Before ;)

It would be extremely ironic if a Wikileaks release gave the best reason of why Bergdahl was away from his post!

It cannot be the/a reason though.

341 Cheechako  Jun 4, 2014 5:13:50pm

I was wondering if the date, times and locations in the Wikileaks post were verified to the actual known info.

342 klys  Jun 4, 2014 5:14:17pm

re: #341 Cheechako

I was wondering if the date, times and locations in the Wikileaks post were verified to the actual known info.

That might derail the newstrain, can’t have that.

343 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 5:14:30pm

re: #338 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

The transcript has both messages. Also, there is no contradiction between them - apparently he was asking for someone English-speaking in the village, and then got captured.

Considering he was described as being “in a haze” by the villagers, for all we know, the guy was high off his coconut and stumbling around.

344 Killgore Trout  Jun 4, 2014 5:14:31pm

re: #337 Targetpractice

You consider perhaps that the people making such claims are inserting their own conclusions?

Possibly. But being in the village, asking for English speakers and looking for the Taliban have both been corroborated by the villagers and other guys in his unit. It’s quite possibly true.

345 Charles Johnson  Jun 4, 2014 5:14:42pm

Oh yeah! I recorded Fargo last night! So I have that to look forward to.

346 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 4, 2014 5:14:46pm

re: #338 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

The transcript has both messages. Also, there is no contradiction between them - apparently he was asking for someone English-speaking in the village, and then got captured.

And the two “facts” can be rearranged to fit a large number of scenarios dependent on how far apart and in what order the events happened. Thus the need for a more thorough investigation at this point.

347 wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2014 5:14:58pm

348 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 5:14:59pm

re: #333 Killgore Trout

It is curious that the Wikileaks cables don;t specifically mention the part about looking for the Taliban, just that he was looking for someone who spoke English. I’m not sure why the Taliban is left out.

What part exactly is left out? Why do you assume anything has been left out?

349 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 5:15:15pm

re: #344 Killgore Trout

Possibly. But being in the village, asking for English speakers and looking for the Taliban have both been corroborated by the villagers and other guys in his unit. It’s quite possibly true.

“Possibly” being the operative word.

350 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 5:15:43pm

re: #341 Cheechako

I was wondering if the date, times and locations in the Wikileaks post were verified to the actual known info.

I haven’t seen the authenticity of the documents questioned.

351 Killgore Trout  Jun 4, 2014 5:15:58pm

re: #343 Targetpractice

Considering he was described as being “in a haze” by the villagers, for all we know, the guy was high off his coconut and stumbling around.

I’m starting to suspect he had some sort of mental breakdown.

352 klys  Jun 4, 2014 5:15:59pm

re: #349 Targetpractice

“Possibly” being the operative word.

It might be true, it might not. Check back in another three posts for more by Trout Blitzer, here on CNN!

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353 ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2014 5:16:29pm

re: #347 wrenchwench

I’m watching you watch.

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354 Killgore Trout  Jun 4, 2014 5:17:16pm

re: #348 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

What part exactly is left out? Why do you assume anything has been left out?

Unless I missed it the Wikileaks cable doesn’t mention that he was looking for the Taliban, just that he was looking for English speakers.

355 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 5:17:42pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

I’m starting to suspect he had some sort of mental breakdown.

Could very well have. Wouldn’t be the first soldier who cracked under the pressure. Except this one didn’t massacre 16 civilians before he ran out of ammo.

356 dog philosopher  Jun 4, 2014 5:17:47pm

you have to imagine that bergdahl will be giving his version of events sooner or later

357 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 5:17:50pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

I’m starting to suspect he had some sort of mental breakdown.

Hopefully it didn’t start as a prank by someone in his unit, involving drugs/booze…

358 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 5:18:58pm

re: #357 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Hopefully it didn’t start as a prank by someone in his unit, involving drugs/booze…

Another possibility, they either talked him or pressured himself into getting drunk/high and he just wandered off. Again, certainly would not be the first time.

359 SteveMcGazi  Jun 4, 2014 5:19:25pm

Has anybody noticed that the death toll of the mission to find him keeps going up? It started at 3, now the last I heard it was 8.

360 Cheechako  Jun 4, 2014 5:19:30pm

Based on my experience leading wild-land firefighting crews, it’s not uncommon for some idiot to go off wandering around in the pucker-brush to answer a call of nature and never tell anyone where they were going.

361 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 5:21:03pm

re: #354 Killgore Trout

Unless I missed it the Wikileaks cable doesn’t mention that he was looking for the Taliban, just that he was looking for English speakers.

Which just means that the cable doesn’t mention it. You, on the other hand, have claimed that it was somehow edited out. On what basis?

362 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2014 5:21:31pm

re: #359 SteveMcGazi

Has anybody noticed that the death toll of the mission to find him keeps going up? It started at 3, now the last I heard it was 8.

Last I heard was 14. Like I said last night, before it’s all over, he’ll be blamed for every death in Afghanistan since 2009.

363 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 5:21:52pm

re: #359 SteveMcGazi

Has anybody noticed that the death toll of the mission to find him keeps going up? It started at 3, now the last I heard it was 8.

By the time this is over Bergdahl will have been responsible for all ISAF deaths in Afghanistan.

364 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 5:22:05pm

re: #360 Cheechako

Based on my experience leading wild-land firefighting crews, it’s not uncommon for some idiot to go off wandering around in the pucker-brush to answer a call of nature and never tell anyone where they were going.

Then there would have been far more POWs than just Bergdahl. Also, he left his weapons. Sorry, that doesn’t explain anything.

365 ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2014 5:22:22pm

re: #358 Targetpractice

Another possibility, they either talked him or pressured himself into getting drunk/high and he just wandered off. Again, certainly would not be the first time.

And if something like that did happen, then it is a good explanation for some of the concerns about a cover your ass story by the rest of the guys in his unit.

366 CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2014 5:23:48pm

Okay, since we’re doing macro shots, here are a couple from the series that caused me to work up a sweat yesterday.

If you’ve never tried this stuff—Nielsen-Massey Madagascar Bourbon Pure Vanilla Bean Paste—it’s amazing.

100mm macro 1/13 sec. at f/4.0 ISO 1600, tripod

100mm macro 1/3 sec. at f/11 ISO 1600, tripod, remote shutter release

The exposure & depth of field was much better on the second one, and the remote shutter release really helped keep things sharp.

Next time I’ll try to be more prepared and have my speedlight ready so I can bump the ISO down and not have to worry about camera shake.

367 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 5:24:00pm

re: #365 ObserverArt

And if something like that did happen, then it is a good explanation for some of the concerns about a cover your ass story by the rest of the guys in his unit.

The thought did cross my mind… But it’s just too gruesome.

368 Killgore Trout  Jun 4, 2014 5:25:31pm

re: #361 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Which just means that the cable doesn’t mention it. You, on the other hand, have claimed that it was somehow edited out. On what basis?

I never said it was edited out. I’m not going to play word games. I don’t know why mentions of looking for the taliban weren’t included in the wikileaks cables.

369 Cheechako  Jun 4, 2014 5:27:09pm

re: #364 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Then there would have been far more POWs than just Bergdahl. Also, he left his weapons. Sorry, that doesn’t explain anything.

I have to disagree. It probably happens all the time but maybe Bergdahl was just in the wrong place, at the wrong time just as the Taliban were preparing to attack. Yes, it was stupid to leave his weapon behind but we all know that sometimes stupid people do stupid things.

370 CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2014 5:28:13pm

371 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 5:28:26pm

re: #368 Killgore Trout

OK, sorry, then I misinterpreted your “I’m not sure why the Taliban is left out.”. It just means that Taliban likely wasn’t mentioned in the first place. (And yes, I know there were claims to the contrary. But human memory is frail. Usually documents have to take precedence.)

372 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 4, 2014 5:30:50pm

re: #370 CuriousLurker

OK, that’s just ugly. Sry. :P

373 CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2014 5:32:01pm
374 Gus  Jun 4, 2014 5:35:11pm

Wanting to meet with the Taliban doesn’t prove intent.

375 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 4, 2014 5:37:59pm

re: #283 CuriousLurker

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ZOMG, the Bible Belt—America is doomed!!11! // Here’s the map.

I’m a little surprise that Judaism is the second biggest one here in Tennessee. Lord knows that they keep screaming about the “Stealth Mosque” down the road in Murfreesboro, despite it having all been properly noticed and permitted. The Supreme Court yesterday refused to hear the case of the people against the Mosque.

RBS

376 wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2014 5:38:09pm

re: #372 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

OK, that’s just ugly. Sry. :P

And soon there will be more!

377 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 4, 2014 5:40:04pm

re: #312 wrenchwench

My brother the biologist found a flower on which biology was having a field day.

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Man, you got biology going on all over the place there. It’s a Biogazi!!!!

RBS

378 Bubblehead II  Jun 4, 2014 5:42:04pm

Night Lizards. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.

379 CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2014 5:46:02pm

re: #375 RealityBasedSteve

I’m a little surprise that Judaism is the second biggest one here in Tennessee. Lord knows that they keep screaming about the “Stealth Mosque” down the road in Murfreesboro, despite it having all been properly noticed and permitted. The Supreme Court yesterday refused to hear the case of the people against the Mosque.

RBS

Yes, I was very pleased that SCOTUS refused to hear the case.

380 CuriousLurker  Jun 4, 2014 5:48:32pm

re: #374 Gus

Heh. //

381 JustMark  Jun 4, 2014 6:31:17pm

re: #289 Lidane

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Worst kept secret ever, then…

382 urbanmeemaw  Jun 4, 2014 6:37:22pm

re: #197 Amory Blaine

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Oh, and what “derp” is coming from “L”, Jake Yapper?

383 OhNoZombies!  Jun 4, 2014 6:53:20pm

re: #295 piratedan

to be honest I’m not surprised at the speed at which the RW ragegasm has erupted. Hell, I was here for Shirley Sherrod and this is the same MO, convict the “transgressor” in the court of the media 24 hour news cycle. Own the news cycle. Have the truth come out in dribs and drabs later and all the low information voter will remember is that somehow Obama supported a deserting soldier and gave up 5 terrorists to plague the US again.

reince and repeat….

for other examples, see Benghazi, IRS, Fast and Furious, Obamacare, and NSA Oversight

Reince…Ha!


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