New York Times: Classified Military Report Does Not Conclude Bergdahl Deserted

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The latest New York Times article on Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl contains descriptions of a classified military report on the investigation into his disappearance, and it seriously undercuts some important pieces of the right wing smear campaign: Bergdahl Walked Away Before, Military Report Says.

The headline makes the first point: Bergdahl reportedly had walked away from his post on two previous occasions, and then returned — and his unit never reported or reprimanded him for it. This strongly argues against deliberate desertion, and in fact according to the Times the classified report does not conclude that Bergdahl deserted — although it does conclude that his unit had severe disciplinary problems.

And that letter Bergdahl was supposed to have left behind when he walked off, saying he was deserting because he was disillusioned with the mission? The military’s report apparently makes no mention of such a letter.

But the report is said to contain no mention of Sergeant Bergdahl having left behind a letter in his tent that explicitly said he was deserting and explained his disillusionment, as a retired senior military official briefed on the investigation at the time told The New York Times this week.

What’s more, the report apparently pictures Bergdahl as basically a good soldier — and includes quotes praising him from some of the same soldiers you now see on cable news calling him a deserter (or worse).

And it has no mention of Bergdahl trying to get in touch with someone in the Taliban who spoke English.

Its portrayal of him as a soldier is said to be positive, with quotes from both commanders and squadmates — apparently including some of the men now criticizing him — describing him as punctual, always in the correct uniform and asking good questions. It quotes colleagues as saying that he expressed some boredom and frustration that they were not “kicking down doors” more to go after insurgents who were destroying schools.

The report is also said to contain no mention of any alleged intercepts of radio or cellphone traffic indicating that Sergeant Bergdahl was asking villagers if anyone spoke English and trying to get in touch with the Taliban, as two former squadmates told CNN this week in separate interviews that they remembered hearing about from a translator who received the report.

Has the Republican Party overreached massively with this gigantic smear campaign? Stay tuned.

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471 comments
1 bratwurst  Jun 5, 2014 1:43:00pm

But…but…what about the hearsay reported by Jake Trapper (sic)?!?!

2 Bulworth  Jun 5, 2014 1:43:37pm

Do you mean to say that the wingnut patriot brigade, which has never been wrong about anything before, might have been making up shit this week about Bergdahl?

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3 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 5, 2014 1:46:36pm

re: #2 Bulworth

Do you mean to say that the wingnut patriot brigade, which has never been wrong about anything before, might have been making up shit this week about Bergdahl?

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Unpossible!

4 Bulworth  Jun 5, 2014 1:46:46pm

He did SO desert, you traitors because REASONS!

5 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 1:48:30pm

At worst, Bergdahl is guilty of Unauthorized Absence for leaving his post.
Desertion, eh, not so much.

Now once you combine that with poor leadership and security practices, I’d say the responsibility falls on his chain of command and not the Private who they were supposed to be looking out for at the time.

6 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 1:48:44pm
and includes quotes praising him from some of the same soldiers you now see on cable news calling him a deserter (or worse).

All the same stuff happened in 2004, during the swiftboating campaign, with some ppl changing their previously positive stories into negative ones.

7 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 1:48:58pm

re: #4 Bulworth

He did SO desert, you trators because REASONS!

FTFY.

8 klys  Jun 5, 2014 1:50:02pm

We are supposed to believe that the Wikileaks log is incomplete, that this little factoid didn’t make it into the report, but he absolutely 100% was asking for the Taliban.

Right.

Critical thinking, kids. Use it.

9 Bulworth  Jun 5, 2014 1:50:07pm

re:
#5

WRONG libtard! I heard on Facebook Traitor Bergdahl and his Taliban beard dad were debriefed and our now back in Afghanistan! Confirmed. FACT.

10 Charles Johnson  Jun 5, 2014 1:50:13pm
11 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 1:52:01pm

Speaking of ignoring the whole story:

12 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 1:52:18pm

re: #8 klys

We are supposed to believe that the Wikileaks log is incomplete, that this little factoid didn’t make it into the report, but he absolutely 100% was asking for the Taliban.

Right.

Critical thinking, kids. Use it.

Bolded part…I think I see the problem…

13 Bulworth  Jun 5, 2014 1:52:38pm

Um, how do we know the marine in Mexico didn’t desert and is Traitor?

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14 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 5, 2014 1:52:47pm

Benghazi
Bergdahl
Be_g_a_h <—- predict the name of the next great scandal!

15 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 5, 2014 1:54:02pm

I can’t keep these daily outrages straight any more. Are we supposed to be frothing at the mouth over Berghazi or Bengdahl??

16 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 5, 2014 1:54:22pm

He had dessert?

17 Tyrion  Jun 5, 2014 1:54:35pm

re: #13 Bulworth

Cause he HAD guns with him and GUNS!!!!

18 A Mom Anon  Jun 5, 2014 1:54:56pm

re: #6 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

I’d like to know the motive for this. In this current case we have a GOP PR guy involved. So is the motive money? What were these guys promised in return for their TV appearances? Why would you do this now? After all this time? When Bergdahl’s release is no skin off your ass at all?

The Swift Boat jackasses made money off their crap didn’t they? I just wonder if this is also the case with Bergdahl’s detractors and their PR flacks. This whole thing smells to high heaven.

19 klys  Jun 5, 2014 1:55:22pm

re: #15 Aunty Entity Dragon

I can’t keep these daily outrages straight any more. Are we supposed to be frothing at the mouth over Berghazi or Bengdahl??

I just never thought that I would see the day where the party of “support the troops” so publicly turned on a POW within a week of his release.

And that was even knowing that they actually didn’t give two shits about the troops, it was a useful political shield.

20 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 5, 2014 1:56:22pm

re: #17 Tyrion

Cause he HAD guns with him and GUNS!!!!

And he walked into a Chipotle and ordered a burrito bowl with extra .223 on the side.

21 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 1:56:26pm

ooooh……….

22 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 1:56:33pm

re: #18 A Mom Anon

I’ve no idea if they’re telling the truth (or the whole truth), I’m not saying they lie. Only that it’s possible and plausible from the earlier experiences.

23 AntonSirius  Jun 5, 2014 1:56:41pm

re: #14 Feline Fearless Leader

Benghazi
Bergdahl
Be_g_a_h <—- predict the name of the next great scandal!

Belgrade?

24 klys  Jun 5, 2014 1:56:51pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

ooooh……….

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I know it’s bad, but I LOLed at that.

25 b.d.  Jun 5, 2014 1:57:05pm

Eagerly awaiting all of the wingnut apologies.

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26 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 1:57:22pm

re: #14 Feline Fearless Leader

Benghazi
Bergdahl
Be_g_a_h <—- predict the name of the next great scandal!

Berlin greets Adolf Hitler?

27 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 1:57:26pm

re: #24 klys

I know it’s bad, but I LOLed at that.

me, too.
(hangs head in shame whilst still giggling)

28 klys  Jun 5, 2014 1:57:56pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

me, too.
(hangs head in shame whilst still giggling)

Oh good, I’m not alone in being a horrible human being.

/cracks up again

29 nines09  Jun 5, 2014 1:59:02pm

Headline you will never see; “GOP Pisses All Over Released POW and Attacks His Family.”

30 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 5, 2014 1:59:22pm

re: #19 klys

I just never thought that I would see the day where the party of “support the troops” so publicly turned on a POW within a week of his release.

And that was even knowing that they actually didn’t give two shits about the troops, it was a useful political shield.

What shocked the fuck out of me was the way that Fox went after his family. I suppose we should have expected it after Michelle Makin went stalking a SCHIP family to see what kind of counters they had in the kitchen…but this kind of attack on a frightened mother and father is utterly evil, and unprecedented in modern US politics.

31 Tyrion  Jun 5, 2014 1:59:49pm

I post on a sports board that has a general board also. You should see some of the comments. I’ve never understood why it seems forums always seem to have a high contingent of wingers posting. I thought they all had jobs and were busy working to support the rest of us? Oh, and just for an example of the comments, I was told to just watch and one of these five guys released were going to be the next Osama Bin Laden. The hyperbole is what makes them so adorable.

32 nines09  Jun 5, 2014 1:59:59pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

Last heard driver screaming “HEY YA’LL WATCH THIS!!!!!”

33 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 2:00:41pm

re: #32 nines09

Last heard driver screaming “HEY YA’LL WATCH THIS!!!!!”

“hold my beer a minute…”

34 nines09  Jun 5, 2014 2:01:19pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

“hold my beer a minute…”

“Be right back.”

35 Tyrion  Jun 5, 2014 2:01:37pm

re: #20 Aunty Entity Dragon

No doubt. I don’t know about anyone else but when I eat at Chipolte, I don’t need any gun to ward off others. amirite? lol

36 blueraven  Jun 5, 2014 2:02:51pm

re: #22 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

I’ve no idea if they’re telling the truth (or the whole truth), I’m not saying they lie. Only that it’s possible and plausible from the earlier experiences.

I think they (maybe rightly so) are pissed and blame Bergdahl for all the injuries/deaths after the fact.
It could be a pack mentality.

37 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 5, 2014 2:03:27pm

re: #32 nines09

Last heard driver screaming “HEY YA’LL WATCH THIS!!!!!”

Three things that strike terror in the heart of an army aerial observer:

A captain who says “I have an idea!”

A lieutenant who says “Based on my experience…”

A chief warrant officer who says “Now check this shit out!”

38 Amory Blaine  Jun 5, 2014 2:03:53pm

Got a flat of strawberries for 5 bucks. Enjoying a fresh strawberry syrup soda.
Yum.

39 klys  Jun 5, 2014 2:04:12pm

re: #30 Aunty Entity Dragon

What shocked the fuck out of me was the way that Fox went after his family. I suppose we should have expected it after Michelle Makin went stalking a SCHIP family to see what kind of counters they had in the kitchen…but this kind of attack on a frightened mother and father is utterly evil, and unprecedented in modern US politics.

You know, I get that there are questions that need to be asked and answered and that the circumstances surrounding the disappearance are murky. I get that.

But to pretend that there is any kind of value in what Fox has done in vilifying his family, in the parade of his ‘comrades’ to smear his character before he’s even made it back to the States, to say that these questions take precedence over simple fucking human decency…

If someone isn’t genuinely outraged over that, I don’t know what to say to them. Saying it’s all just politics or both sides do it doesn’t cut it. This is about the ethics you have as a person and where you are willing to draw the line, and a lot of people are showing their true colors over this.

40 Bulworth  Jun 5, 2014 2:04:30pm

re:
#19
Klys

I just never thought that I would see the day where the party of “support the troops” so publicly turned on a POW within a week day of his release.

FTFY

41 klys  Jun 5, 2014 2:05:16pm

re: #40 Bulworth

re:
#19
Klys

FTFY

I was trying to be generous, since I ignored the news on Saturday and wasn’t quite sure when it started.

42 nines09  Jun 5, 2014 2:05:26pm

re: #40 Bulworth

Hours.

43 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 5, 2014 2:05:26pm

re: #35 Tyrion

No doubt. I don’t know about anyone else but when I eat at Chipolte, I don’t need any gun to ward off others. amirite? lol

I own guns. Rather a lot of them, in fact.

I have never had an urge to carry my .30-06 rifle or one of my semi auto carbines into a local restaurant…and I would regard someone who did as a frakking lunatic.

44 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 5, 2014 2:06:32pm

So not surprised. Lots of reasons to wander off base for a bit. From having local friends like an interpreter or a girlfriend, or a local market to buys something.

Not gonna hold my breath waiting for anyone to back off let alone apologize. If it were not for movies and some programming like Al Jazeera America or Cosmos that nice big HDMI TV would just be my new computer secondary monitor.. Hey, that would make editing and Photoshop kinda cool…. 45” Preview screen.

45 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 2:06:38pm
46 nines09  Jun 5, 2014 2:07:21pm

re: #45 Lidane

He missed the memo. He got it now.

47 Charles Johnson  Jun 5, 2014 2:07:24pm
48 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 2:07:51pm
49 Testy Toad T  Jun 5, 2014 2:08:06pm

It’s a well-known fact that there are 47% of American troops who will desert their post in a combat zone no matter what.

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50 AntonSirius  Jun 5, 2014 2:08:28pm

re: #36 blueraven

I think they (maybe rightly so) are pissed and blame Bergdahl for all the injuries/deaths after the fact.
It could be a pack mentality.

I fully expect them all to say that they didn’t want to speak badly of Bergdahl initially after he was taken by the Taliban, but once word got around and they realized they weren’t the only ones to have doubts…

I do think it’s an important distinction between this and what happened to Kerry. The Swift Boaters were clearly all just partisan liars. The soldiers speaking up in this case don’t seem so much premeditated liars as just people misplacing their anger.

And misplaced fear and anger is what the modern GOP feeds on.

51 Bulworth  Jun 5, 2014 2:08:55pm

re:
#41
Klys

And our more normal brain processes might lend themselves to the idea that some reasonable time be allowed to alapse before rushing to judgment.

52 nines09  Jun 5, 2014 2:09:19pm

re: #48 Lidane

Pathetic.

53 Testy Toad T  Jun 5, 2014 2:10:09pm

re: #48 Lidane

McCain’s ranting and raving about a different POW’s recovery is truly the lowest, most vile, most dishonorable thing that has happened in this whole sorry story.

I didn’t think I had much more respect to lose for that old fossil after the Palin brainfart, but he sure showed me.

54 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 2:12:04pm

Thing is, the GOP has the perfect smokescreen for the smear campaign they’ve launched against this guy. They’ll just, as they’ve done time and again, declare that they never joined in the conspiracy theories, they only had “questions,” and they can’t tell the wingnut media what to do.

55 AntonSirius  Jun 5, 2014 2:12:28pm

re: #48 Lidane

56 Testy Toad T  Jun 5, 2014 2:13:19pm

I want to use that word again, “dishonorable”. It is the most basic and fundamental thing at work here.

McCain is exactly on the level of Oliver North.

Enjoy that, Senator. You earned it.

57 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 5, 2014 2:13:48pm

re: #49 Testy Toad T

It’s a well-known fact that there are 47% of American troops who will desert their post in a combat zone no matter what.

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they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. Freeloading army moochers need to be relaced with free market solutions.

58 Tyrion  Jun 5, 2014 2:15:08pm

At this point, and probably from the start, it doesn’t matter what the truth is, the “narrative” for the right wing has been established. No matter how many times you refute them, no matter how many times you actually SHOW them they are wrong, they will not change their story. They make their own “truth” and hang on for dear life.

I can’t even put into words how much their actions disgust and anger me. I struggle to adequately put forth my feelings and just can’t. It truly is like hitting your head against the wall. Maddening.

60 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 2:18:49pm

re: #58 Tyrion

At this point, and probably from the start, it doesn’t matter what the truth is, the “narrative” for the right wing has been established. No matter how many times you refute them, no matter how many times you actually SHOW them they are wrong, they will not change their story. They make their own “truth” and hang on for dear life.

I can’t even put into words how much their actions disgust and anger me. I struggle to adequately put forth my feelings and just can’t. It truly is like hitting your head against the wall. Maddening.

It pisses me off something fierce to realize that Bowe Bergdahl, a guy who from all accounts so far is a pretty decent person, it gonna spend the rest of his life getting called “deserter” and “traitor” because of this shit. There’s never going to be apologies, never going to be acknowledgement that the smear campaign was in error, and never likely to get one of his “buddies” from his unit to apologize for the shit they’ve started. From now until the day he dies, he’s gonna have to carry this fucking burden. Why? Because a black guy got elected to the White House and millions of Americans subsequently lost their fucking minds.

61 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 5, 2014 2:19:29pm

re: #58 Tyrion

At this point, and probably from the start, it doesn’t matter what the truth is, the “narrative” for the right wing has been established. No matter how many times you refute them, no matter how many times you actually SHOW them they are wrong, they will not change their story. They make their own “truth” and hang on for dear life.

I can’t even put into words how much their actions disgust and anger me. I struggle to adequately put forth my feelings and just can’t. It truly is like hitting your head against the wall. Maddening.

You cannot reason someone out of a position that they were not reasoned into.

I know some folks don’t like this little aphorism, but there is abundant empirical evidence and subjective experience to back it up.

62 blueraven  Jun 5, 2014 2:21:24pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Oh FFS, talk about competing narratives

These real-time dispatches were generated by the Eclipse Group, a shadowy private firm of former intelligence officers and operatives that has subcontracted with the Defense Department and prominent corporations to deliver granular intelligence on terrorist activities and other security-related topics, often from challenging environments in far-flung corners of the globe.

The group is run by Duane R. (“Dewey”) Clarridge, a former senior operations officer for the Central Intelligence Agency in the 1980s best known for having been indicted for lying to Congress about his role in the tangled set of events that became known as the Iran-Contra scandal.

63 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 2:21:29pm
64 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 2:21:35pm

Good. He shouldn’t apologize for this. Ever. If we want a military to fight and die for us, we damn well owe them a ride home no matter the circumstances. Period.

65 Charles Johnson  Jun 5, 2014 2:22:45pm

The smear is on, big time.

66 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 2:23:39pm

re: #64 Lidane

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Good. He shouldn’t apologize for this. Ever. If we want a military to fight and die for us, we damn well owe them a ride home no matter the circumstances. Period.

A-fucking-men. The man has nothing to apologize for. Bringing our men home, alive or dead, is nothing to be ashamed of. If his fellow Democrats take exception to that, then they need to get their noses back in joint. And as to the GOP: FUCK’EM!

67 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 2:24:28pm

re: #62 blueraven

68 jaunte  Jun 5, 2014 2:24:47pm

He liked to read. By himself. We don’t cotton to that.

69 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 2:25:01pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

The smear is on, big time.

Fighting to keep this alive. Remember how, as the initial rumors and myths surrounding Benghazi got pealed back one by one and shown as bullshit, Fox and the GOP just piled on more, citing “unnamed sources” nine times outta ten.

70 Testy Toad T  Jun 5, 2014 2:25:40pm

re: #69 Targetpractice

Fighting to keep this alive. Remember how, as the initial rumors and myths surrounding Benghazi got pealed back one by one and shown as bullshit, Fox and the GOP just piled on more, citing “unnamed sources” nine times outta ten.

60 Minutes, come on down!

71 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 2:26:35pm
72 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 5, 2014 2:27:13pm

re: #62 blueraven

Any person, for whatever reason…who gets any assistance from this President will be utterly eviscerated in public by the right wing media. Their families will be harried and stalked. Their friends will be subject to ambushes from Fox producers on the street. All of this because the end…destroying this President…justifies any means used.

Welcome to political warfare reductio ad absurdum.

73 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 2:27:47pm

re: #71 Kragar

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But shake and shiver in terror, because now they’ve been released! WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!

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74 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 2:28:44pm
75 Charles Johnson  Jun 5, 2014 2:28:45pm

It would not surprise me if there are elements of truth to the Fox story.

76 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 5, 2014 2:28:47pm

I can only hope he is accumulating a vast recording trove of right wing media talking heads, “journalists”, and TV bozos for an upcoming massive libel lawsuit. It would be sweet to have Fox News defend a multi-$$$ million lawsuit because of their eagerness to smear instead of investigate.

77 blueraven  Jun 5, 2014 2:30:01pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

It would not surprise me if there are elements of truth to the Fox story.

From the fox report

The New York Times, in its 2011 profile of Clarridge, described his agents’ dispatches as “an amalgam of fact, rumor, analysis and uncorroborated reports.” The fabled ex-spook made the more than one dozen SITREPs that Eclipse prepared on the Bergdahl case — all previously unpublished — available to Fox News because he wanted to demonstrate, as he put it: “We know what we’re talking about.”

78 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 2:30:06pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

It would not surprise me if there are elements of truth to the Fox story.

I’ll wait till they have a named source with a verifiable report.

79 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 2:30:15pm

re: #76 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I can only hope he is accumulating a vast recording trove of right wing media talking heads, “journalists”, and TV bozos for an upcoming massive libel lawsuit. It would be sweet to have Fox News defend a multi-$$$ million lawsuit because of their eagerness to smear instead of investigate.

I’d say, more than likely, that he’s more interested in just building up his strength and putting on some much needed pounds after 5 years in captivity.

80 klys  Jun 5, 2014 2:30:35pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

It would not surprise me if there are elements of truth to the Fox story.

Didn’t McCain make anti-American videos as a POW?

81 BlueSpotinAL  Jun 5, 2014 2:30:42pm

re: #49 Testy Toad T

It’s a well-known fact that there are 47% of American troops who will desert their post in a combat zone no matter what.

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47% are unauthorized leave-takers!

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82 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 2:30:45pm

re: #77 blueraven

From the fox report

Well, if you can’t trust that…

83 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 5, 2014 2:30:46pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

The smear is on, big time.

It used to be that a lie was half way around the world before the truth got its’ shoes on…in Mark Twain’s day.

Now, the lie can go around the world, meet up with others, spawn some offspring and go on to choke the truth in bed before proceeding to infest the public at large for years to come.

84 sunnygal  Jun 5, 2014 2:32:03pm

Has the Republican Party overreached massively with this gigantic smear campaign?

That’s a rhetorical question, isn’t it?

85 Ian G.  Jun 5, 2014 2:32:19pm

So the wingnut chorus is going to get burned just as quickly by this as they were by Cliven Bundy?

Maybe having such an integrated network of spittle-flecked rage has its disadvantages, especially when sober consideration is necessary. Maybe one shouldn’t outsource caution to Michelle Malkin.

Nah, never mind. I love it when they shoot themselves in the foot.

86 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 5, 2014 2:33:46pm

re: #39 klys

wait…did you just use the word “Ethics” and Fox News in the same paragraph?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Good one!

87 jaunte  Jun 5, 2014 2:34:11pm
U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl at one point during his captivity converted to Islam, fraternized openly with his captors and declared himself a “mujahid,” or warrior for Islam, according to secret documents prepared on the basis of a purported eyewitness account and obtained by Fox News.
foxnews.com

Purported Afghan eyewitness? Tell me more, Fox News!

Clarridge told Fox News his group enjoyed a subcontract from U.S. Central Command, or CENTCOM, headquartered at MacDill Air Force Base in Florida, from November 2009 through May 31, 2010, and that after the contract was terminated, he invested some $50,000 of his own money to maintain the network of informants that had yielded such detailed accounts of Bergdahl’s status.

I wonder how the poor man will recoup his investment?

88 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 2:35:02pm

I smell BS.

89 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 2:35:24pm

re: #62 blueraven

It’s going to look suspicious to a lot of people but one of the basics of hostage training is that you want to befriend your captors, fit in, become one of the gang. Learn about your guard’s personal interests, hobbies and families. Play chess, share stories, etc If they like you, they’re less likely to kill you when the time comes. IIRC, there are real world cases where captors were unable to kill their hostage because they’d grown attached.

90 Charles Johnson  Jun 5, 2014 2:35:28pm

Wow. Here’s the guy behind that Fox report - a Pinochet lover and total right wing whack job.

Youtube Video

91 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 2:35:45pm
92 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 5, 2014 2:36:02pm

re: #85 Ian G.

So the wingnut chorus is going to get burned just as quickly by this as they were by Cliven Bundy?

Maybe having such an integrated network of spittle-flecked rage has its disadvantages, especially when sober consideration is necessary. Maybe one shouldn’t outsource caution to Michelle Malkin.

Nah, never mind. I love it when they shoot themselves in the foot.

Burned?

I doubt it. They will throw enough shit into the air that any accurate accounting will be impossible to discern, and their own true believers will continue to fall in with the party line.

This has joined the nut job mythology, and 10 years from now they will still be quoting this story as proof that Obama is a Muslim traitor.

93 A Mom Anon  Jun 5, 2014 2:36:09pm

re: #62 blueraven

Are you fucking KIDDING ME? Someone who was indicted of lying in the Iran/Contra scandal is now an actual reliable news source with secret documents that prove Bergdahl is a traitor? OFFS.

Can Bowe Bergdahl and his family sue these fucking assholes at some point? I hope they’re DVRing and keeping track of as much of this shit as they can(or friends and family are). OMG if this was my son I would be tracking people down to punch them in the face. I’m really freaking out at how organized and relentless this is and it’s coming from a hundred different directions. Holy Shit.

94 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 2:36:45pm
95 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 2:36:54pm

meanwhile in Alabama at the moment:

96 klys  Jun 5, 2014 2:37:49pm

re: #86 Rocky-in-Connecticut

wait…did you just use the word “Ethics” and Fox News in the same paragraph?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Good one!

Well, to be technical they were in different paragraphs.

Mostly because while I know Fox has none and is ok with that, some of the other people who continue to perpetuate the story by “just asking questions” pretend to have them.

97 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 2:37:50pm
98 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 2:38:44pm

The Fox story could be what John Schindler was hinting at a few hours ago.

99 blueraven  Jun 5, 2014 2:39:13pm

re: #87 jaunte

Purported Afghan eyewitness? Tell me more, Fox News!

I wonder how the poor man will recoup his investment?

OK huge font article with breathlessly charged headline, but where is the beef?

Reached by telephone, retired U.S. Marine Corps General James N. Mattis, a 45-year service veteran who served as CENTCOM commander from August 2010 to August 2012, told Fox News he may have received bits and pieces of the intelligence generated by Eclipse, but said Ashley, with whom he maintained a close working relationship, had not forwarded on to him the specific SITREPs cited by Fox News.

Mattis was also adamant that no one at CENTCOM or within the broader U.S. military or intelligence community — despite intensive investigation of such allegations — ever learned of anything to suggest Bergdahl had evolved into an active collaborator with the Haqqani network or the Taliban. “We were always looking for actionable intelligence,” Mattis said. “It wasn’t just the IC [intelligence community]. We had tactical units that were involved in the fight. We had SIGINT. Any collaborators who were on the other side and who came over to our side. We kept an eye on this. … There was never any evidence of collaboration.

100 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 2:39:22pm

re: #94 Lidane

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I could almost excuse “evil smart”. But “evil stupid”? Brr.

101 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 2:40:03pm
102 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 5, 2014 2:40:15pm

Am in a lot of pain right now. BBL. :(

103 blueraven  Jun 5, 2014 2:40:24pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

The Fox story could be what John Schindler was hinting at a few hours ago.

If it is…it is lame.

104 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 2:40:31pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

The Fox story could be what John Schindler was hinting at a few hours ago.

Seems so. Not sure why he claimed it was a “fact”, seems like more murky data from murky sources. Not necessarily false, but…

105 klys  Jun 5, 2014 2:41:07pm

re: #104 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Seems so. Not sure why he claimed it was a “fact”, seems like more murky data from murky sources. Not necessarily false, but…

Because who needs critical thinking? Let’s just link all the shitty stories ever without thinking through what any of them say.

106 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 2:41:14pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

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Schindler is supposed to be some sort of a respectable scholar, right? Seems more like a pompous asshole to me.

107 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 2:41:42pm
108 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 2:41:51pm
109 Charles Johnson  Jun 5, 2014 2:42:07pm
110 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 2:42:09pm

“Tip, meet iceberg”. Heh. Douche.

111 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 2:42:31pm

re: #104 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Seems so. Not sure why he claimed it was a “fact”, seems like more murky data from murky sources. Not necessarily false, but…

He indicates the fox story is the tip of the iceberg so there’s probably going to be more.

112 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 2:43:26pm

re: #106 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Schindler is supposed to be some sort of a respectable scholar, right? Seems more like a pompous asshole to me.

Those two options aren’t mutually exclusive

113 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 5, 2014 2:43:31pm

re: #109 Charles Johnson

It’s the RW media equivalent of a Gish Gallop at this point. Try to heap the BS up faster than it can be evaluated and disproved. Essentially a giant doubling down of the lie rather than backing off and admitting possible error or overreaction.

114 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 2:43:44pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

He indicates the fox story is the tip of the iceberg so there’s probably going to be more.

What, more bullshit? Of that, I have no doubt.

115 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 2:43:47pm
116 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 2:43:47pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

True.

117 jaunte  Jun 5, 2014 2:43:56pm

re: #110 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

“Tip, meet iceberg”. Heh. Douche.

That doesn’t even make sense.

118 klys  Jun 5, 2014 2:44:16pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

He indicates the fox story is the tip of the iceberg so there’s probably going to be more.

Or he was indicating that the Fox story is the “iceberg” that he was saying the previous “tip” was indicating.

I notice you aren’t outraged at this speculation, though.

119 jaunte  Jun 5, 2014 2:44:20pm

The tip is on the iceberg.

120 Ace-o-aces  Jun 5, 2014 2:44:40pm

re: #94 Lidane

Ahhh, when the right-wing narrative falls apart, they can always fall back on homophobia.

121 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 2:45:00pm

“Iceberg” is more like an ice cube dropped in a steaming dog turd on an Arizona sidewalk.

122 Charles Johnson  Jun 5, 2014 2:45:51pm
123 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 2:46:50pm

re: #115 Kragar

124 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 2:47:14pm

re: #118 klys

Or he was indicating that the Fox story is the “iceberg” that he was saying the previous “tip” was indicating.

I notice you aren’t outraged at this speculation, though.

It’s fox but they claim they have sources. It’s possible elements of the story are true (see #89), it looks bad and a lot of people won’t understand it but it’s part of his training to do things like this if captured.

125 Ace-o-aces  Jun 5, 2014 2:47:14pm

re: #71 Kragar

Heck, one of those guys had quit the Taliban to go sell used cars when they picked him up.

126 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 2:47:21pm

First we were told that he was definitely a deserter and a traitor because the guys in his unit said he was and some retired jackoff said there was a note in the official Pentagon report stating his intent to defect to the Taliban.

Now that the NYT says that the Pentagon had reason to believe he wasn’t a deserter and the retired jackoff is left blustering that he swears he saw a part of the report referencing a note, on come the next shoveful of bullshit to the pile.

127 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 2:47:21pm

re: #117 jaunte

That doesn’t even make sense.

Well, English not being my native tongue, I googled for the phrase and didn’t come up with anything that would make much sense. My own interpretation was like klys’s in #118.

128 Floral Giraffe  Jun 5, 2014 2:48:03pm

re: #31 Tyrion

Welcome, yesterday’s hatchling!!!!

129 blueraven  Jun 5, 2014 2:48:11pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

He indicates the fox story is the tip of the iceberg so there’s probably going to be more.

There is really nothing in here except that he played ball with his captors…probably literally and figuratively.

People do have a survival instinct for a reason. To survive; until they can a) escape (which he twice attempted) or b) get released.

130 Dr Lizardo  Jun 5, 2014 2:48:15pm

“Purported eyewitesses”, eh?

I have it on reliable, if anonymous authority, that an extremely prominent right-wing pundit was secretly videotaped by a purported eyewitness having his wicked, wicked way with underage rent-boys in the Dominican Republic.

FACT.

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131 Bubblehead II  Jun 5, 2014 2:48:37pm

re: #99 blueraven

OK huge font article with breathlessly charged headline, but where is the beef?

Reached by telephone, retired U.S. Marine Corps General James N. Mattis, a 45-year service veteran who served as CENTCOM commander from August 2010 to August 2012, told Fox News he may have received bits and pieces of the intelligence generated by Eclipse, but said Ashley, with whom he maintained a close working relationship, had not forwarded on to him the specific SITREPs cited by Fox News.

Mattis was also adamant that no one at CENTCOM or within the broader U.S. military or intelligence community — despite intensive investigation of such allegations — ever learned of anything to suggest Bergdahl had evolved into an active collaborator with the Haqqani network or the Taliban. “We were always looking for actionable intelligence,” Mattis said. “It wasn’t just the IC [intelligence community]. We had tactical units that were involved in the fight. We had SIGINT. Any collaborators who were on the other side and who came over to our side. We kept an eye on this. … There was never any evidence of collaboration.”

You have a link for this?

132 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 2:48:56pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

It’s fox but they claim they have sources. It’s possible elements of the story are true (see #89), it looks bad and a lot of people won’t understand it but it’s part of his training to do things like this if captured.

You’re trying to suggest that Fox’s source may be telling a version of the truth?

133 blueraven  Jun 5, 2014 2:49:35pm

re: #131 Bubblehead II

You have a link for this?

foxnews.com

134 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 5, 2014 2:49:39pm

If you’re captured I’d think that you’re allowed to do stuff like lie to the people capturing you when they ask you “Do you want to join our Jihad?”

135 Shazam  Jun 5, 2014 2:50:37pm

re: #134 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

If you’re captured I’d think that you’re allowed to do stuff like lie to the people capturing you when they ask you “Do you want to join our Jihad?”

“Uh, sure. In fact, I think I’m ready for a gun now.”

136 Bubblehead II  Jun 5, 2014 2:51:33pm

re: #133 blueraven

Thanks.

137 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 2:51:49pm

re: #130 Dr Lizardo

“Purported eyewitesses”, eh?

I have it on reliable, if anonymous authority, that an extremely prominent right-wing pundit was secretly videotaped by a purported eyewitness having his wicked, wicked way with underage rent-boys in the Dominican Republic.

FACT.

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My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who saw Bergdahl declare Jihad at 31 flavors last night.

I guess its pretty serious.

138 klys  Jun 5, 2014 2:52:31pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

It’s fox but they claim they have sources. It’s possible elements of the story are true (see #89), it looks bad and a lot of people won’t understand it but it’s part of his training to do things like this if captured.

And the part where they are spinning this for maximum character smear means absolutely nothing to you. Good to know.

139 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 2:53:13pm

Tip, meet the Feebles.

140 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 2:53:20pm

re: #132 Targetpractice

You’re trying to suggest that Fox’s source may be telling a version of the truth?

It’s possible. Anyone who’s taken a hostage safety course will tell you these are the things you’re supposed to do as a hostage. Befriend your captors and win their trust. The more they like you, the less likely they are to kill you. The more they trust you, the more likely you’ll have chances to escape.

141 wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2014 2:54:22pm

I am ready for a jihad at 31 Flavors.

142 HappyWarrior  Jun 5, 2014 2:54:38pm

Somehow I think the people being judgmental towards him wouldn’t last five minutes let alone near 5 years in captivity. Really this is the right wing noise machine at its most ugly and vile.

143 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 2:54:52pm

jihadwench

144 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 2:54:54pm
145 HappyWarrior  Jun 5, 2014 2:55:12pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

I am ready for a jihad at 31 Flavors.

Baskin Al-Robbins? I’m more partial to Ben and Allah’s myself.

146 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 2:55:15pm

re: #144 Lidane

wait what

147 HappyWarrior  Jun 5, 2014 2:55:35pm

re: #144 Lidane

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If I’ve lost Krauthammer, I’ve lost middle Wingnut America.

148 klys  Jun 5, 2014 2:55:58pm

Man it sure sucks for Bergdahl. But these questions need to be raised. Sucks for him, but look, here’s another story reporting rumor and innuendo. It might have some facts. Can’t skip linking it. Wish people would stop suggesting other possible interpretations that suggest that his unit wasn’t perfect. That’s horrible speculation. Doesn’t help anything. Oh hey, don’t miss this Fox news report. Too bad Bergdahl was just doing what he was supposed to. We shouldn’t forget the President might have broken the law. Can’t wait for the next story that might come out on this. Sure a shame.

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149 HappyWarrior  Jun 5, 2014 2:56:03pm

re: #146 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

wait what

Krauthammer I think has actually acted like a decent human being in regards to Bergdahl instead of his usual right wing stooge act.

150 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 2:56:05pm

Does Krauthammer play the good cop today?

151 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 2:56:32pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

It’s possible. Anyone who’s taken a hostage safety course will tell you these are the things you’re supposed to do as a hostage. Befriend your captors and win their trust. The more they like you, the less likely they are to kill you. The more they trust you, the more likely you’ll have chances to escape.

Is this like how you were convinced yesterday that villagers saying he was asking about the Taliban meant there could be truth to the allegations that he’d signaled an intent to defect to them?

152 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 2:57:13pm
Charles Krauthammer said Tuesday on “Special Report with Bret Baier” that there is overwhelming evidence Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl is a deserter
153 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 2:57:16pm

re: #146 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

wait what

Surprisingly, Charles Krauthammer had a stopped clock moment where he stopped spewing his usual hackery and defended the President:

154 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 2:58:09pm

re: #150 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Does Krauthammer play the good cop today?

Of a sort. He was (of course) joining the impeachment chorus on Sunday, but yesterday he had an attack of conscience and declared that trading 5 prisoners for 1 of our soldiers was good because it shows how much we care for our own. That, like the Israelis, we’re willing to take the risk of future harm to secure the safety of our soldiers and that’s a good thing about America.

155 jaunte  Jun 5, 2014 2:58:12pm

Elbow, meet arm.

156 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 2:58:24pm

One of the few actual quotes from a named source in the “Bombshell”

Reached by telephone, retired U.S. Marine Corps General James N. Mattis, a 45-year service veteran who served as CENTCOM commander from August 2010 to August 2012, told Fox News he may have received bits and pieces of the intelligence generated by Eclipse, but said Ashley, with whom he maintained a close working relationship, had not forwarded on to him the specific SITREPs cited by Fox News.

Mattis was also adamant that no one at CENTCOM or within the broader U.S. military or intelligence community — despite intensive investigation of such allegations — ever learned of anything to suggest Bergdahl had evolved into an active collaborator with the Haqqani network or the Taliban. “We were always looking for actionable intelligence,” Mattis said. “It wasn’t just the IC [intelligence community]. We had tactical units that were involved in the fight. We had SIGINT. Any collaborators who were on the other side and who came over to our side. We kept an eye on this. … There was never any evidence of collaboration.”

157 HappyWarrior  Jun 5, 2014 2:59:23pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

Of a sort. He was (of course) joining the impeachment chorus on Sunday, but yesterday he had an attack of conscience and declared that trading 5 prisoners for 1 of our soldiers was good because it shows how much we care for our own. That, like the Israelis, we’re willing to take the risk of future harm to secure the safety of our soldiers and that’s a good thing about America.

The Israeli point is an interesting one to bring up to all the people who claim to venerate Israel and love Bibi. They’ve given up far more militants and ones that operate directly in their nation’s backyard at that for their guys.

158 klys  Jun 5, 2014 2:59:46pm

re: #156 Kragar

One of the few actual quotes from a named source in the “Bombshell”

But it might be true. It’s a disservice not to ask questions. Repeatedly. All over the place. Because it might be true, or it might not.

159 HappyWarrior  Jun 5, 2014 3:00:13pm

re: #156 Kragar

One of the few actual quotes from a named source in the “Bombshell”

So we should expect apologies to be forth coming or will I have to hear from NRO again how it’s Obama’s fault that this guy is hated.

160 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 3:01:14pm

re: #153 Lidane

OK, but they sure as heck haven’t lost Krauthammer.

161 blueraven  Jun 5, 2014 3:01:16pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

It’s possible. Anyone who’s taken a hostage safety course will tell you these are the things you’re supposed to do as a hostage. Befriend your captors and win their trust. The more they like you, the less likely they are to kill you. The more they trust you, the more likely you’ll have chances to escape.

I think you underestimate what reasonable people will think about Bergdahl and what he may or may not have done.

But the Fox News piece is a smear.

162 wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2014 3:01:49pm
163 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 3:01:51pm
164 HappyWarrior  Jun 5, 2014 3:02:16pm

re: #163 Kragar

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It depends, which one hates Obama more?

165 klys  Jun 5, 2014 3:02:19pm

re: #162 wrenchwench

Ack, I may actually need to own some Legos.

166 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 3:02:23pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

Is this like how you were convinced yesterday that villagers saying he was asking about the Taliban meant there could be truth to the allegations that he’d signaled an intent to defect to them?

It’s possible he had some stupid ideas, the villagers and his fellow soldiers had the same story about him seeking out the Taliban. It’s possible there’s an element of truth to it.

167 thedopefishlives  Jun 5, 2014 3:03:40pm

Evening Lizardim from the seriously waterlogged wild north country. I had a realization, reading the article - the right tries to paint themselves as champions of the military, the only party in America that truly supports the troops. But now we bring this guy home, rescuing him from his hellish imprisonment with our barbaric foes, and all of a sudden they have to tar and feather him and run him out of town on a rail? How in the hell do they survive with all this cognitive dissonance going on?

What’s new among the lizardfolk this wet and sleepy evening?

168 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 3:03:59pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

I had the impression that the “asking for Taliban” story was based on one account. Am I wrong?

169 sattv4u2  Jun 5, 2014 3:04:23pm

re: #165 klys

Ack, I may actually need to own some Legos.

Call me. I have boxes and boxes and boxes of them. Whole kits,,, individual pieces

Lil Satty was a Lego JUNKIE from the time he was 3 till early teens!!

170 wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2014 3:04:27pm

re: #165 klys

Ack, I may DO actually need to own some Legos.

FTFY

171 Bubblehead II  Jun 5, 2014 3:04:52pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

The Israeli point is an interesting one to bring up to all the people who claim to venerate Israel and love Bibi. They’ve given up far more militants and ones that operate directly in their nation’s backyard at that for their guys.

Yep. 1027 prisoner responsible for 569 dead Isreaelis for one man. Gilad Shalit

172 wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2014 3:05:16pm

re: #169 sattv4u2

Call me. I have boxes and boxes and boxes of them. Whole kits,,, individual pieces

Lil Satty was a Lego JUNKIE from the time he was 3 till early teens!!

You have to save those for his kids. I don’t care how long it takes.

173 klys  Jun 5, 2014 3:05:26pm

re: #169 sattv4u2

Call me. I have boxes and boxes and boxes of them. Whole kits,,, individual pieces

Lil Satty was a Lego JUNKIE from the time he was 3 till early teens!!

Sorry, but unless they are the women in STEM kit not interested.

174 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 3:05:40pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

The Israeli point is an interesting one to bring up to all the people who claim to venerate Israel and love Bibi. They’ve given up far more militants and ones that operate directly in their nation’s backyard at that for their guys.

I brought that up to a wingnut friend of mine who was ranting that the cost of bringing Bergdahl home was too high. I pointed out that Israel has done prisoner trades before, and gave him a link about Gilad Shalit.

Funny thing — he stopped posting about Bergdahl after that.

175 sattv4u2  Jun 5, 2014 3:07:40pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

You have to save those for his kids. I don’t care how long it takes.

Yup. Thats what Mrs Satty has told me, hence, we have storage boxes of them under the spare bed,, under the bed in my sons room,,, in the spare bedroom closet ,, in the home office closet ,,, in the garage ,, in the ,,, well,, you get the point!!

176 Bubblehead II  Jun 5, 2014 3:08:05pm

re: #174 Lidane

I brought that up to a wingnut friend of mine who was ranting that the cost of bringing Bergdahl home was too high. I pointed out that Israel has done prisoner trades before, and gave him a link about Gilad Shalit.

Funny thing — he stopped posting about Bergdahl after that.

Same Wiki link I just posted by any chance?

177 blueraven  Jun 5, 2014 3:08:42pm

re: #168 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

I had the impression that the “asking for Taliban” story was based on one account. Am I wrong?

an interpreted account…heresay, once removed

178 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 3:08:53pm

I had to take the State Dept terrorism seminar several times (kids under 16 had to do refreshers every couple years). Interesting stuff about what to do as a hostage, demonstrations of how to recognize a letter bomb or drive through a road block. For the kids there was a little test to see how well you could hide you dirty American Diplomatic Passport if taken hostage. The teacher turned his back and counted to 10. Everybody put their passports under their chair or in a wastepaper basket. I opened the window and threw mine into the streets of DC from the 4th floor.
/In my defense I was 8 but I still consider it a win

179 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 3:10:00pm

re: #176 Bubblehead II

Same Wiki link I just posted by any chance?

Not sure. Did you post this one? That’s what i used.

180 klys  Jun 5, 2014 3:10:10pm

In other news, there is an 80% chance of an El Nino event this winter, at this point.

Should be interesting.

181 HappyWarrior  Jun 5, 2014 3:10:56pm

re: #180 klys

In other news, there is an 80% chance of an El Nino event this winter, at this point.

Should be interesting.

90’s flashback time. Hey Macarena, Hey Macarena!

182 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 3:11:02pm

re: #168 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

I had the impression that the “asking for Taliban” story was based on one account. Am I wrong?

You’ll have to poke around but I think 2 of his fellow soldiers made the claim. Also WaPo talked to the villagers yesterday. I doubt there collaboration between the two groups but they might just be repeating the same rumors in circulation.

183 Bubblehead II  Jun 5, 2014 3:11:05pm

re: #179 Lidane

Not sure. Did you post this one? That’s what i used.

Yep.

184 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 3:12:11pm

So that briefing that Congress had about Bergdahl last night?

185 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 3:12:35pm

re: #178 Killgore Trout

In my defense I was 8

and stoned? ;)

186 blueraven  Jun 5, 2014 3:13:11pm

re: #152 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

The only way Krauthammer differs with the rabid right wing is about the powers of the President, which he has been consistent on.

He said he would have made the deal Obama did…reluctantly.

187 Maxwell Not So Smart  Jun 5, 2014 3:13:25pm

re: #174 Lidane

I brought that up to a wingnut friend of mine who was ranting that the cost of bringing Bergdahl home was too high. I pointed out that Israel has done prisoner trades before, and gave him a link about Gilad Shalit.

Funny thing — he stopped posting about Bergdahl after that.

One of the things about the Shalit deal is that pretty much everyone in Israel thinks it was worth it to get him home.

The GOP on the other hand well they should be ashamed of how they have handled this with little to no evidence to back up the smear campaign.

188 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 3:13:26pm

re: #185 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

and stoned? ;)

Skittles buzz

189 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 5, 2014 3:14:52pm

re: #187 Maxwell Not So Smart

One of the things about the Shalit deal is that pretty much everyone in Israel thinks it was worth it to get him home.

The GOP on the other hand well they should be ashamed of how they have handled this with little to no evidence to back up the smear campaign.

Not just them. Anyone repeating second or third-hand accounts about how he was totally looking for that Taliban should be ashamed of themselves too. Vulture journalism at best, happy participation in the smear of a POW at worst.

190 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 3:15:06pm

re: #184 Lidane

So that briefing that Congress had about Bergdahl last night?

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I’d really like a list of names. That way we know just who’s full of shit when he says he has “questions” about the swap.

191 Maxwell Not So Smart  Jun 5, 2014 3:15:53pm

re: #162 wrenchwench

I have a nephew that is going to love that. Well once baseball season is over and it gets cold again.

192 klys  Jun 5, 2014 3:16:05pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

You’ll have to poke around but I think 2 of his fellow soldiers made the claim. Also WaPo talked to the villagers yesterday. I doubt there collaboration between the two groups but they might just be repeating the same rumors in circulation.

Critical thinking time.

From the article, what the villagers actually say:

“It was very confusing to us. Why would he leave the base?” said Jamal, an elder in the village of Yusef Khel, about a half-mile from the American military installation. (Like many Afghans, he goes by only one name). “The people thought it was a covert agenda - maybe he was sent to the village by the U.S.”

What the district intelligence chief says:

They later told Afghan investigators that they had warned the American that he was heading into a dangerous area.

“They tried to tell him not to go there, that it is dangerous. But he kept going over the mountain. The villagers tried to give him water and bread, but he didn’t take it,” said Ibrahim Manikhel, the district’s intelligence chief.

“We think he probably was high after smoking hashish,” Manikhel said. “Why would an American want to find the Taliban?”

The other spot where it is mentioned, without any quotes to back it up:

To them, it’s clear something was wrong with the American. And he seemed to be deliberately heading for Taliban strongholds, they say.

There seem to be a lot of suppositions going on and no actual quote about an American asking for directions to the Taliban. Or, in fact, asking for directions at all.

193 sattv4u2  Jun 5, 2014 3:16:24pm

Ah well

Daily Afternoon Thunder-Storm is over

time to fire up the grill
Marinated chicken breasts,,,

grilled eggplant,,,

grilled garlic Texas Toast

194 Decatur Deb  Jun 5, 2014 3:16:32pm

re: #184 Lidane

So that briefing that Congress had about Bergdahl last night?

So many of my NBC colleagues are tracking down senators who were at classified briefing last night and many are admitting they left early]

Bogo night in Georgetown bars.

195 Decatur Deb  Jun 5, 2014 3:17:52pm

re: #193 sattv4u2

Ah well

Daily Afternoon Thunder-Storm is over

time to fire up the grill
Marinated chicken breasts,,,

grilled eggplant,,,

grilled garlic Texas Toast

According to someone above you’re not home free. Severe weather between Huntsville and Birmingham.

196 dog philosopher  Jun 5, 2014 3:18:02pm

Republicans Are Making the Long-Term Unemployed as Desperate as Possible

hopefully this means that the hope that the 2008 meltdown will lead to permanent and significant reductions in the salary and wage amount americans will accept has not been everything some people had hoped

in my darker moments, i suspect the entire meltdown was engineered to permanently put the american worker in his place, and that it has for the most part succeeded

197 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 3:18:55pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

OK, thanks. The article doesn’t say that he asked for the Taliban, but the villagers did interpret his behavior as trying to find his way to the Talibs. This does add some measure of credibility to that other guy’s story.

198 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 3:18:59pm

re: #184 Lidane

So that briefing that Congress had about Bergdahl last night?

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Because they had to leave in time for their TV appearances

199 sattv4u2  Jun 5, 2014 3:19:35pm

re: #195 Decatur Deb

According to someone above you’re not home free. Severe weather between Huntsville and Birmingham.

Yeah, but by the time it gets here I’ll be ensconced inside, grill off and covered, and a beer in my hand accompanying the repast!

200 HappyWarrior  Jun 5, 2014 3:19:44pm

re: #184 Lidane

So that briefing that Congress had about Bergdahl last night?

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How very telling. Really people complain about increased executive power. Well when your legislature shows that it cares more about political theater than doing its job, increases in executive power are inevitable.

201 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 3:20:19pm

re: #197 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

OK, thanks. The article doesn’t say that he asked for the Taliban, but the villagers did interpret his behavior as trying to find his way to the Talibs. This does add some measure of credibility to that other guy’s story.

Which is not to say that, if he indeed did hear something about “asking for the directions to the Taliban”, he interpreted it correctly.

202 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 3:20:42pm
203 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 3:20:53pm

“He was asking villagers about joining the Taliban.”

This from the guys making fun of him for attempting to learn the language.

How the fuck would they know what he was asking them?

204 thedopefishlives  Jun 5, 2014 3:21:27pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

How very telling. Really people complain about increased executive power. Well when your legislature shows that it cares more about political theater than doing its job, increases in executive power are inevitable.

It’s a little hard for the legislators to do anything if they don’t attend the briefings.

Okay, I take that back; they can do anything they want. It’s just going to be supremely stupid and get vetoed, blasted by the bench, or repealed/rewritten later after the embarrassment subsides.

205 Patricia Kayden  Jun 5, 2014 3:21:45pm

re: #31 Tyrion

You should ask them if the scores of detainees released by Bush could be the next Osama (especially since 30% of them relapsed to their terrorist ways).

206 Timothy Watson  Jun 5, 2014 3:21:53pm

Speculation (tit for tat): Was Clarridge involved in the assassination of Orlando Letelier and Ronni Moffitt on behalf of the Pinochet regime?

207 HappyWarrior  Jun 5, 2014 3:22:08pm

re: #196 dog philosopher

Republicans Are Making the Long-Term Unemployed as Desperate as Possible

hopefully this means that the hope that the 2008 meltdown will lead to permanent and significant reductions in the salary and wage amount americans will accept has not been everything some people had hoped

in my darker moments, i suspect the entire meltdown was engineered to permanently put the american worker in his place, and that it has for the most part succeeded

It’s frustrating honestly. On the plus side, I do have an interview I found out but it’s another “non paid work experience” or as I like to call it “We recognize you have a skill set that we can benefit from but we won’t bother paying you or making you full time.” Sorry just a little bittersweet about this. I am glad to have a chance to return to work but at the same time, I do feel disrespected.

208 Decatur Deb  Jun 5, 2014 3:22:57pm

re: #203 Kragar

“He was asking villagers about joining the Taliban.”

This from the guys making fun of him for attempting to learn the language.

How the fuck would they know what he was asking them?

If he was getting good at the local language (his major fault) why was he looking for an English-speaker? The BS is wrapping around itself and multiplying.

209 A Mom Anon  Jun 5, 2014 3:23:15pm

re: #184 Lidane

OMG. I swear this is going to make me hyperventilate. WTF?

210 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 5, 2014 3:24:33pm

re: #201 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Which is not to say that, if he indeed did hear something about “asking for the directions to the Taliban”, he interpreted it correctly.

Yeah. I mean, I’ve had military friends in Afghanistan who routinely ask directions to the Taliban, because they have this weird vested interest in knowing where the guys they’re fighting are.

Refusing bread and water also points to someone not behaving rationally, if that part happened.

Even at its worst, there hasn’t been any part of the story that a sober analysis of couldn’t find a reasonable, non-traitorous explanation for—usually as the Okham’s Razor explanation. Except for the ‘note’. If such a note exists, it’s a huge stretch to also believe that they’ve concluded there’s no active collaboration.

211 klys  Jun 5, 2014 3:25:03pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

If he was getting good at the local language (his major fault) why was he looking for an English-speaker? The BS is wrapping around itself and multiplying.

Or why was he asking in English at all, if he could speak the local language? And why weren’t these allegations that he was seeking out the Taliban in the report on the previous investigations into his disappearance, which were done at a time much closer to when it happened? I’m pretty sure that the military investigators would have been quite interested in it.

212 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 3:26:15pm

re: #210 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The villagers’ story confirms another important detail:

Locals remember Bergdahl walking through the village in a haze.

213 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 3:27:30pm

re: #197 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

OK, thanks. The article doesn’t say that he asked for the Taliban, but the villagers did interpret his behavior as trying to find his way to the Talibs. This does add some measure of credibility to that other guy’s story.

Like most of this story, there’s a lot of conflicting info. Why wasn’t this mentioned in the military investigation or the Wikileaks cable? Did the military disprove it or didn’t include it for lack of substantive proof? Maybe the rumor wasn’t even in circulation or invented until after the investigation. I wouldn’t rule anything out.

214 Stanley Sea  Jun 5, 2014 3:27:32pm

re: #180 klys

In other news, there is an 80% chance of an El Nino event this winter, at this point.

Should be interesting.

If that means a real winter with rain, I’m all for it. The weather is killing me (and my plants)

215 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 3:28:53pm

re: #210 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Yeah. I mean, I’ve had military friends in Afghanistan who routinely ask directions to the Taliban, because they have this weird vested interest in knowing where the guys they’re fighting are.

Refusing bread and water also points to someone not behaving rationally, if that part happened.

Even at its worst, there hasn’t been any part of the story that a sober analysis of couldn’t find a reasonable, non-traitorous explanation for—usually as the Okham’s Razor explanation. Except for the ‘note’. If such a note exists, it’s a huge stretch to also believe that they’ve concluded there’s no active collaboration.

My big question remains “Where the hell was his unit?”

Seriously, in the Marines, even just in training, we did routine head counts and no one went anywhere without a buddy and his weapon, yes, that includes even just going to take a dump.

I’m just dumbstruck by the whole notion.

216 Justanotherhuman  Jun 5, 2014 3:28:58pm

How long until the RWNJs start saying that Wikileaks is a front for the US govt?

Think it couldn’t happen? No one thought an American GI would be attacked like they’re doing now, either.

217 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 3:29:50pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

If he was getting good at the local language (his major fault) why was he looking for an English-speaker? The BS is wrapping around itself and multiplying.

Good point. He might not have been very good at it yet. Another possibility is his Pashtun was so bad the villagers misunderstood him. Maybe the phrase “where can I shit” and “where is the Taliban” sound similar.

218 Decatur Deb  Jun 5, 2014 3:29:51pm

re: #215 Kragar

My big question remains “Where the hell was his unit?”

Seriously, in the Marines, even just in training, we did routine head counts and no one went anywhere with a buddy and his weapon, yes, that includes even just going to take a dump.

I’m just dumbstruck by the whole notion.

Pencil: “without”

219 thedopefishlives  Jun 5, 2014 3:29:58pm

re: #215 Kragar

My big question remains “Where the hell was his unit?”

Seriously, in the Marines, even just in training, we did routine head counts and no one went anywhere with a buddy and his weapon, yes, that includes even just going to take a dump.

I’m just dumbstruck by the whole notion.

The article did say that the unit had some discipline problems. I’m wondering if they just didn’t have the cohesiveness and brotherhood that most military units try to foster.

221 A Mom Anon  Jun 5, 2014 3:31:01pm

222 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 3:32:09pm

And if we thought a guy might “wander off” or be at risk of deserting, we sure as fuck would make sure someone was responsible for knowing where the hell he was at all times. Hell, we had a guy who’d routinely space out and wouldn’t pay attention to where the platoon was going. All 30 of us knew to keep an eye on him.

223 Bubblehead II  Jun 5, 2014 3:32:21pm
224 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 3:32:58pm

re: #218 Decatur Deb

Pencil: “without”

Thats exactly what I said

*cough*

225 HappyWarrior  Jun 5, 2014 3:33:01pm

It’s definitely plausible and I’d say even likely that what he was saying was lost in translation. I would sometimes do it in Spanish and Spanish is a much more simple language to learn for a native English speaker than the language of Afghanistan.

226 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 3:33:10pm

US says its moving ahead with Guantanamo closure

A U.S. official says President Barack Obama is moving ahead with the effort to close the Guantanamo Bay prison despite the uproar over the exchange of five Taliban prisoners for a captured American soldier.

An administration official tells reporters “substantial progress” has been made on preparations to resume transfers of prisoners from the U.S. base in Cuba to their home countries or for repatriation elsewhere.

The official says more than half of the current 149 prisoners have been cleared for transfer after a security review.

The official spoke Thursday on condition of anonymity amid an increasingly intense criticism of the Obama administration’s trade of the five Taliban prisoners for Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.

227 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 5, 2014 3:33:18pm

re: #212 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

The villagers’ story confirms another important detail:

Confirms as in ‘adds weight to’, not as in, ‘definitely we can say this happened’.

It might not even be the same night he got kidnapped. Conflating multiple incidents into one is a big problem with eyewitness testimony, especially after years and years.

228 klys  Jun 5, 2014 3:33:20pm

re: #220 Charles Johnson

Exclusive: HUD Official Apologizes for Tweets Critical of Bergdahl’s Unit

That should hopefully soothe those who cannot distinguish between a personal twitter account and a press conference.

Hah. Who am I kidding. It’s the same people who can’t distinguish between real news and propoganda.

229 HappyWarrior  Jun 5, 2014 3:33:37pm

re: #222 Kragar

And if we thought a guy might “wander off” or be at risk of deserting, we sure as fuck would make sure someone was responsible for knowing where the hell he was at all times. Hell, we had a guy who’d routinely space out and wouldn’t pay attention to where the platoon was going. All 30 of us knew to keep an eye on him.

Really appreciate your personal insights as a former Marine on this.

230 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 3:34:19pm
231 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 3:34:32pm

re: #223 Bubblehead II

He’s toast.

Maybe, I’m sure he got some calls from higher up the food chain.

232 HappyWarrior  Jun 5, 2014 3:34:37pm

re: #220 Charles Johnson

Exclusive: HUD Official Apologizes for Tweets Critical of Bergdahl’s Unit

He really shouldn’t have to apologize. The people cyber-lynching Bergdahl OTOH.

233 klys  Jun 5, 2014 3:35:23pm

re: #227 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Confirms as in ‘adds weight to’, not as in, ‘definitely we can say this happened’.

It might not even be the same night he got kidnapped. Conflating multiple incidents into one is a big problem with eyewitness testimony, especially after years and years.

Somewhat a related question, how well can the villagers tell apart American soldiers? Do we know that Bergdahl was the only one who left base that night?

But hey, let’s just keep speculating, because there might be some truth in some of the ideas.

234 Decatur Deb  Jun 5, 2014 3:35:37pm

re: #223 Bubblehead II

He’s toast.

He emphasizes twice in the apology that he was using a personal, not HUD account. Might be OK if the timeline content didn’t present him as a HUD official.

235 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 3:35:38pm

re: #227 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Confirms as in ‘adds weight to’, not as in, ‘definitely we can say this happened’.

It might not even be the same night he got kidnapped. Conflating multiple incidents into one is a big problem with eyewitness testimony, especially after years and years.

“Hey do you remember when this one guy just sort of wandered thru your village 5 years ago?”

“I remember it as if only yesterday. The sun had risen at 6:02 am as a breeze of about 5mph came in from the south-south west…”

236 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 3:36:02pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

US says its moving ahead with Guantanamo closure

Good. Close the fucking thing. The war is over. Time to move on. Fuck Bush. Fuck the Iraq war. Fuck the 101st Fighting Keyboards. Fuck torture. Fuck Republicans and fuck GITMO.

237 klys  Jun 5, 2014 3:36:17pm

re: #234 Decatur Deb

He emphasizes twice in the apology that he was using a personal, not HUD account. Might be OK if the timeline content didn’t present him as a HUD official.

The timeline content also features his commentary on country music.

238 HappyWarrior  Jun 5, 2014 3:37:21pm

re: #237 klys

The timeline content also features his commentary on country music.

Well I have it on good authority that Brooks and Dunn is the official country music group of HUD.

239 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 5, 2014 3:37:40pm

re: #233 klys

Somewhat a related question, how well can the villagers tell apart American soldiers?

If he did try sort of bond with the Afghans, as some suggest, he probably would have been remembered.

240 Decatur Deb  Jun 5, 2014 3:37:42pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

US says its moving ahead with Guantanamo closure

Good. Trade the last batch off to third-nation retirement for a kilo of pistachios.

241 Decatur Deb  Jun 5, 2014 3:39:13pm

re: #237 klys

The timeline content also features his commentary on country music.

Then he’ll have to answer to Charlie Daniels.

242 ObserverArt  Jun 5, 2014 3:40:03pm

re: #94 Lidane

If Bergdahl pulls a Bradley Manning and becomes Chelsea Bergdahl, suddenly all the media coverage will shift in his favor.

What a repulsive human being. I can’t think of anything else to say, as he isn’t worthy of one more word.

243 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 5, 2014 3:40:27pm

Eyewitness testimony is best at describing large truths. Eyewitness testimony from the death camps of the Nazis doesn’t match exactly in all details, but the overall picture it builds is inescapable: Huge industrialized well organized camps where the death of inmates was purposeful.

Here, what matters are details that are ineffable and the most vulnerable to misinterpretation, about ‘intent’. The only question that really matters to the charge of ‘desertion’ is “did he abandon his post with the decision to do that permanently”. That is not something that eyewitness testimony would be very good at revealing, especially when recalling conversations where one party was speaking in a second language.

244 Bubblehead II  Jun 5, 2014 3:40:28pm

re: #234 Decatur Deb

He emphasizes twice in the apology that he was using a personal, not HUD account. Might be OK if the timeline content didn’t present him as a HUD official.

Doesn’t matter. He was identified as HUD employee, making statements on a social media site that could reflect badly on HUD. Don’t know about you, but the company I work for has a very strict policy about social media and routinely warns us to be careful about what we post.

245 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 3:40:30pm

re: #236 Gus

Good. Close the fucking thing. The war is over. Time to move on. Fuck Bush. Fuck the Iraq war. Fuck the 101st Fighting Keyboards. Fuck torture. Fuck Republicans and fuck GITMO.

It’s a tough call but I’m not seeing many options. Legal avenues for trials seem stalled. If we had taken them officially as POW we could theoretically hold them until Al Qaeda formally surrenders (AKA forever) but permanent legal limbo is going to be a problem. A lot of these guys are still with us because nobody else will take them. I suppose we could just fling open the gates and set them free, I’m resigned to the fact there are no good options.

246 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 3:41:35pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

Good. Trade the last batch off to third-nation retirement for a kilo of pistachios.

or that couple still held my the Taliban. We might as well get something out of it.

247 dog philosopher  Jun 5, 2014 3:41:41pm

re: #231 Killgore Trout

re: #223 Bubblehead II

He’s toast.

Maybe, I’m sure he got some calls from higher up the food chain.

it could be that the lines of communication were fried

now they are jumping like a squid in a skillet

248 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 3:42:11pm

re: #241 Decatur Deb

Then he’ll have to answer to Charlie Daniels.

For those who may have missed it:

249 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 3:42:44pm
250 Decatur Deb  Jun 5, 2014 3:43:32pm

re: #244 Bubblehead II

Doesn’t matter. He was identified as HUD employee, making statements on a social media site that could reflect badly on HUD. Don’t know about you, but the company I work for has a very strict policy about social media and routinely warns us to be careful about what we post.

He’ll have normal civil service rights to due process. If he spoke as a HUD policymaker he blew it. Speaking as a citizen that turns out to be an official is survivable, but his agency will (did) discuss it with him.

251 dog philosopher  Jun 5, 2014 3:43:37pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

Good. Trade the last batch off to third-nation retirement for a kilo of pistachios.

dump them in the california central valley and let them work their way back home picking strawberries

252 Maxwell Not So Smart  Jun 5, 2014 3:43:41pm

I can think of lots of reason to walk off the base. What I can’t figure out is why he would want to join up with the Taliban.

As a private he would have little to zero intelligence of value. He would know that and anyone who met up with him would know that in seconds as well.

He would have been of little value to the Taliban. They would have though he was a nut job and probably dropped him off at the door he walked out of.

If he was a sympathizer why would he have been beaten, frightened and in I’ll health? None of this deserter thing makes logical sense to me.

What does make sense is what I’ve read here. He wanted some breathing space from the Aholes in his troop and got lost or picked up. In any case given a good chance the people they traded for him were likely going back in 2016 and having been locked up for 13 years they wouldn’t be much value for anything other than propaganda. Good on the commander and chief for living up to his end of the deal and bringing Bergdahl home.

253 Charles Johnson  Jun 5, 2014 3:43:51pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

He’s a nut. A connected nut.

254 Mattand  Jun 5, 2014 3:44:17pm

Here’s the fantasy world I live in:

In November, the oh-so-wise independent voter in the voting booth will look at the Republican column and go “Let’s see; they shut down the government for no reason, and basically demonized an American POW for their own political end.

“Fuck those guys.”

The reality is more like:

“DURRRRRRR OBAMA HAD SIX YEARS TO FIX EVERYTHING EVER AND HE DIDN’T DUUUURRRRR I VOTE GOP!”

255 Decatur Deb  Jun 5, 2014 3:46:31pm

re: #251 dog philosopher

dump them in the california central valley and let them work their way back home picking strawberries

Some of them might feel resentful or even pissed. They need to go to the Old Peshmurgas’ Home.

256 Charles Johnson  Jun 5, 2014 3:46:51pm

Oh man. Friend of Brad Thor. Published that completely bogus report about Mullah Omar at Breitbart.

On May 10, biggovernment.com — a Web site run by the conservative commentator Andrew Breitbart — published an “exclusive” by Mr. Thor, who declined to comment for this article.

“Through key intelligence sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan,” Mr. Thor wrote, “I have just learned that reclusive Taliban leader and top Osama bin Laden ally, Mullah Omar, has been taken into custody.”

Credibility level declining rapidly. And it was already close to zero.

257 HappyWarrior  Jun 5, 2014 3:47:28pm

re: #254 Mattand

Here’s the fantasy world I live in:

In November, the oh-so-wise independent voter in the voting booth will look at the Republican column and go “Let’s see; they shut down the government for no reason, and basically demonized an American POW for their own political end.

“Fuck those guys.”

The reality is more like:

“DURRRRRRR OBAMA HAD SIX YEARS TO FIX EVERYTHING EVER AND HE DIDN’T DUUUURRRRR I VOTE GOP!”

It’s more like. “Sure, they demonized an American POW and shutdown the government but Obama’s going to increase my taxes and I can’t have that.” And I guess that’s what is disturbing. People know what they’re getting when they vote GOP but do so anyhow. They know they’re voting for a party whose sole ideology the past six years has been to oppose anything constructive President Obama stands for whether it’s health care reform or getting an American POW returned to his family.

258 jaunte  Jun 5, 2014 3:47:39pm

Cannon, meet loose.

259 Justanotherhuman  Jun 5, 2014 3:48:59pm

This is just getting to be too damned commonplace.

260 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 3:49:05pm

re: #253 Charles Johnson

He’s a nut. A connected nut.

I think he’d be classified as an OGA (other government agency). CIA and NSA are only the public face of spying and espionage. The real interesting stuff that doesn’t show up in Wikileaks.

261 Bubblehead II  Jun 5, 2014 3:49:13pm

re: #250 Decatur Deb

He’ll have normal civil service rights to due process. If he spoke as a HUD policymaker he blew it. Speaking as a citizen that turns out to be an official is survivable, but his agency will (did) discuss it with him.

Possibly. But if the rwnj’s continue to make an issue of it, he may be asked to resign.

262 blueraven  Jun 5, 2014 3:51:07pm
263 Justanotherhuman  Jun 5, 2014 3:51:57pm

re: #262 blueraven

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It’s Faux News…

264 klys  Jun 5, 2014 3:53:01pm

Oh boy, my first stalker interaction on Twitter. And now my first block on Twitter.

265 Mattand  Jun 5, 2014 3:53:10pm

re: #260 Killgore Trout

I think he’d be classified as an OGA (other government agency). CIA and NSA are only the public face of spying and espionage. The real interesting stuff that doesn’t show up in Wikileaks.

You did read the part about Mullah Omar stuff probably being horseshit, right? And the whole palling around with Fox News doesn’t raise any red flags?

266 HappyWarrior  Jun 5, 2014 3:53:17pm

re: #262 blueraven

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I don’t think someone happy and “Jihad” would try to escape. Really it seems that the right wants to make this a real life version of Homeland.

267 klys  Jun 5, 2014 3:56:14pm

re: #262 blueraven

“Well, we had this information but we didn’t think it was important enough/well sourced enough/useful to pass on to the Pentagon, but now that the guy is out we can go to town with it!”

Right.

268 Justanotherhuman  Jun 5, 2014 3:56:22pm

re: #266 HappyWarrior

I don’t think someone happy and “Jihad” would try to escape. Really it seems that the right wants to make this a real life version of Homeland.

We’re supposed to believe a certified liar and perjurer like Clarridge?

Everyone knows guys like him are just in it for the cash.

269 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 3:57:10pm

re: #265 Mattand

You did read the part about Mullah Omar stuff probably being horseshit, right? And the whole palling around with Fox News doesn’t raise any red flags?

It’d make a hell of a movie, he sounds interesting. I wonder if he worked with Chuck Barris.

270 Dr Lizardo  Jun 5, 2014 3:57:31pm

re: #259 Justanotherhuman

This is just getting to be too damned commonplace.

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Maybe someone with a stronger stomach than mine for such insanity can start a website like “Massacre of the Day!” or something like that.

Yeesh.

271 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 3:57:41pm

re: #259 Justanotherhuman

LIVE VIDEO: Shooting at Seattle Pacific University

At least four people were shot Thursday afternoon at Seattle Pacific University in Seattle and police have one suspect in custody.
A second suspect is at large. He is a white man with a long-sleeved blue shirt with long vertical stripes. Police said he’s armed with a handgun.
The shooting happened about 3:30 p.m. in Otto Miller Hall, 3rd Avenue West and West Nickerson Street. The campus was on lockdown.

272 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 3:57:49pm
273 A Mom Anon  Jun 5, 2014 3:58:09pm

re: #268 Justanotherhuman

And why in the everloving hell is this guy even hired by the government to do ANYTHING? Operation Enduring Clusterfuck. I just can’t even.

274 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 3:58:43pm
275 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 3:59:49pm

“Over 360,000 Gun Deaths Since 9/11”

Taliban is the worst killer of Americans though.

276 Dr Lizardo  Jun 5, 2014 3:59:52pm

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

LIVE VIDEO: Shooting at Seattle Pacific University

Two suspects; one in custody, one still at large.

277 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 4:00:12pm

Campus is being evacuated

278 jaunte  Jun 5, 2014 4:00:33pm

re: #275 Gus

Most hardened five men in the universe.

279 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:01:15pm

re: #278 jaunte

Most hardened five men in the universe.

And in the history of all the things.

280 Justanotherhuman  Jun 5, 2014 4:01:27pm

TSA says 18 guns found at checkpoints yesterday, breaking a record; 800 found so far this year - @prodjay via @NBCNightlyNews
see original on twitter.com

281 simoom  Jun 5, 2014 4:01:58pm

I’ve read at least three separate stories sourced to self-serving statements from Taliban commanders today. Seems just as with Putin, they’ve realized how easy it is to leverage today’s ethics-free, traffic-chasing media environment to fuel US partisan division.

282 jaunte  Jun 5, 2014 4:02:08pm

re: #280 Justanotherhuman

“I forgot it was inside my shampoo bottle.”

283 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 4:02:25pm

I would have though Obama would wait until after mid terms before pushing forward with the Gitmo thing. A lot of vulnerable Dems aren’t going to be happy.

284 thedopefishlives  Jun 5, 2014 4:02:26pm

God damnit, people. Why do we all have to go about shooting each other?

285 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 4:02:38pm
286 Ed E. Lishus  Jun 5, 2014 4:02:54pm

re: #280 Justanotherhuman

They’re just trying to reach the mile high open carry club.

287 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:03:09pm

re: #283 Killgore Trout

I would have though Obama would wait until after mid terms before pushing forward with the Gitmo thing. A lot of vulnerable Dems aren’t going to be happy.

Always the excuse.

288 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:05:03pm

Right wingers are making me more left all of the sudden. They’re such awful people.

289 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 4:05:16pm

re: #280 Justanotherhuman

TSA says 18 guns found at checkpoints yesterday, breaking a record; 800 found so far this year - @prodjay via @NBCNightlyNews
see original on twitter.com

Related: The Texas GOP wants to eliminate the TSA, among other things.

What could go wrong?

290 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 4:06:27pm

re: #287 Gus

Always the excuse.

Maybe the White House calculates midterms are going to be bad enough that it’s not going to make any difference.

291 Dr Lizardo  Jun 5, 2014 4:06:54pm

Two suspects in the Seattle SPU shooting are currently in custody, confirmed by police.

kirotv.com

292 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:06:57pm

re: #290 Killgore Trout

Maybe the White House calculates midterms are going to be bad enough that it’s not going to make any difference.

I’ll vote Dem. I don’t give a fuck about GITMO anymore.

293 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 4:07:02pm
294 Bubblehead II  Jun 5, 2014 4:07:02pm

re: #283 Killgore Trout

I would have though Obama would wait until after mid terms before pushing forward with the Gitmo thing. A lot of vulnerable Dems aren’t going to be happy.

Why? Gitmo closed. Detainees repatriated. Incentive to capture U.S. service (wo)men removed. Looks like a win/win scenario to me. Not to mention it removes a blight on America.

295 Charles Johnson  Jun 5, 2014 4:07:27pm

re: #264 klys

Oh boy, my first stalker interaction on Twitter. And now my first block on Twitter.

Aren’t they nice?

296 Charles Johnson  Jun 5, 2014 4:07:45pm
297 thedopefishlives  Jun 5, 2014 4:08:25pm

re: #294 Bubblehead II

Why? Gitmo closed. Detainees repatriated. Incentive to capture U.S. service (wo)men removed. Looks like a win/win scenario to me. Not to mention it removes a blight on America.

To be fair to the GOP, it is highly unlikely that freeing all the GItmo detainees is going to remove the incentive to capture US military personnel. The terrorists will always invent a reason to hate us, because it’s what they do. That being said, all of your other arguments are perfectly valid.

298 GeneJockey  Jun 5, 2014 4:09:15pm

re: #287 Gus

Always the excuse.

Right. Can’t close it now, because it will hurt vulnerable Dems. Can’t close it between 2014 and 2016, because it will screw up Hillary’s shot at the WH. Can’t close it between 2016 and 2018, because it will screw up the Midterms. Can’t close it between 2018 and 2020 because it will screw up Hillary’s reelection. Can’t close it between 2020 and 2022, because it will screw up the Midterms….

Lather, rinse, repeat.

299 Justanotherhuman  Jun 5, 2014 4:09:40pm

re: #297 thedopefishlives

To be fair to the GOP, it is highly unlikely that freeing all the GItmo detainees is going to remove the incentive to capture US military personnel. The terrorists will always invent a reason to hate us, because it’s what they do. That being said, all of your other arguments are perfectly valid.

Why should anyone be “fair” to the GOP? Do you understand what they’re doing to this country?

300 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:10:05pm

re: #298 GeneJockey

Right. Can’t close it now, because it will hurt vulnerable Dems. Can’t close it between 2014 and 2016, because it will screw up Hillary’s shot at the WH. Can’t close it between 2016 and 2018, because it will screw up the Midterms. Can’t close it between 2018 and 2020 because it will screw up Hillary’s reelection. Can’t close it between 2020 and 2022, because it will screw up the Midterms….

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Heh. Hillary.

301 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 4:10:32pm

re: #283 Killgore Trout

wut?

302 Decatur Deb  Jun 5, 2014 4:11:37pm

re: #272 Kragar

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While we’re sifting bullshit, I’m intrigued by the unsourced reports that he was teaching the Talis to upgrade their IED performance. Unless he was a combat engineer, he would know very little about explosives. The only grunts who might know more than the Taliban are our EOD guys, and they don’t get to the field as PFCs. Can’t find any mention of his MOS.

303 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 4:11:52pm
304 GeneJockey  Jun 5, 2014 4:12:17pm

re: #279 Gus

And in the history of all the things.

“Mister Neutron, the most dangerous man in the world - He really is!!!”

305 EPR-radar  Jun 5, 2014 4:12:19pm

re: #299 Justanotherhuman

Why should anyone be “fair” to the GOP? Do you understand what they’re doing to this country?

The only reason to be fair to the GOP is that true accounts of its malfeasance are more damaging than the made-up stuff.

306 A Mom Anon  Jun 5, 2014 4:12:29pm

re: #284 thedopefishlives

The Husband works (for now) at a student housing facility, not owned by the university. Today he was doing eviction/post clean up and found a Glock 9mm laying on the floor of a partially empty apartment. The cops were called and waited for the kid to come back to claim his stuff to talk to him which didn’t take long. They ended up arresting him because the gun wasn’t registered.

This isn’t the only encounter The Husband has had with unattended firearms at this job. A backpack was left by the pool with two loaded handguns inside. Another time a kid decided to return to a party with a loaded weapon after a fight over a spilled drink (no one was hurt or arrested that time). I could go on and on, he’s pretty sure one of the apartments had a bedroom used for something pretty ugly, since all that was in it was a dirty mattress and used condoms everywhere. He’s doing a ton of eviction stuff right now because the semester is winding down and people haven’t paid rent and have either skipped or have no plans on paying. I doubt this will be the end of the gun thing, it seems like there are a LOT of guns on this campus.

The Husband has been in the apartment/residential maintenance business for over 25 yrs. He said he’s NEVER seen this many weapons in his work before.

307 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:13:13pm

Republicans = Government by Scandal Mongering

308 GeneJockey  Jun 5, 2014 4:14:17pm

re: #302 Decatur Deb

While we’re sifting bullshit, I’m intrigued by the unsourced reports that he was teaching the Talis to upgrade their IED performance. Unless he was a combat engineer, he would know very little about explosives. They only grunts who might know more than the Taliban are our EOD guys, and they don’t get to the field as PFCs. Can’t find any mention of his MOS.

Oh, dude, c’mon! You’re applying reason and logic and actual experience to an ODS-related issue. You don’t expect it to actually WORK, do you?

309 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 4:15:13pm
310 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:15:58pm

If people are going to voting booths because of GITMO in 2014 this country is hopeless.

311 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 4:16:02pm

re: #294 Bubblehead II

Why? Gitmo closed. Detainees repatriated. Incentive to capture U.S. service (wo)men removed. Looks like a win/win scenario to me. Not to mention it removes a blight on America.

Some voters is swing districts might not like it. We’ll see how the polling goes.

312 thedopefishlives  Jun 5, 2014 4:17:44pm

re: #299 Justanotherhuman

Why should anyone be “fair” to the GOP? Do you understand what they’re doing to this country?

I only wish to be technically correct, that’s all. That the GOP is wrong in literally every other aspect besides that one is understood and heartily agreed with.

313 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:17:57pm

re: #311 Killgore Trout

Some voters is swing districts might not like it. We’ll see how the polling goes.

Newsflash KT. Some wingnut that’s going to have a nervous breakdown over GITMO closing won’t be voting for a Democrat in the first place.

314 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 4:18:15pm

re: #310 Gus

If people are going to voting booths because of GITMO in 2014 this country is hopeless.

Like I said before, if we can’t seriously release anybody from Gitmo because we live in fear that they will offend again, then the terrorists have already won. They don’t have to launch attacks on America anymore, they just have to maintain in our minds the fear that releasing those guys from Gitmo will lead to more attacks.

315 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:18:43pm

And the odds of GITMO closing before election day is like, zero. So really I don’t see the point in discussing this imaginary correlation further.

316 GeneJockey  Jun 5, 2014 4:19:26pm

re: #310 Gus

If people are going to voting booths because of GITMO in 2014 this country is hopeless.

Well, for some people, ‘Never Forget” becomes “Never move forward.” in their minds, we’re still in an existential fight with an enemy more dangerous than a USSR with 10,000 nukes aimed right at us, or the combination of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan we faced before that. The fact that nothing even remotely like 9/11 has happened SINCE 9/11 just means we’re being lulled int 13 years’ worth of false security.

317 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:19:45pm
318 GeneJockey  Jun 5, 2014 4:20:38pm

re: #317 Gus

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But the Mooozlimz are the REAL danger.
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319 A Mom Anon  Jun 5, 2014 4:20:54pm

re: #310 Gus

No one is going to be voting over GITMO. That’s someone’s fevered caricature of “what liberals do”. More likely people are going to be voting because of omgbeafraidofeverything11ty!!! or because of actual real concerns, like the economy and education, healthcare, etc. OK, maybe 12 people will vote because of GITMO, lol.

320 Bubblehead II  Jun 5, 2014 4:20:59pm

re: #313 Gus

Newsflash KT. Some wingnut that’s going to have a nervous breakdown over GITMO closing won’t be voting for a Democrat in the first place.

Not to mention that the moonbat left has been screaming for him to do it for 5 years now.

321 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 4:21:53pm
322 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 4:21:55pm

re: #317 Gus

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This wouldn’t have happened if Obama hadn’t negotiated with terrorists!

323 klys  Jun 5, 2014 4:22:12pm

re: #295 Charles Johnson

Aren’t they nice?

I chose pre-emptive action.

324 klys  Jun 5, 2014 4:23:34pm

re: #313 Gus

Newsflash KT. Some wingnut that’s going to have a nervous breakdown over GITMO closing won’t be voting for a Democrat in the first place.

But why aren’t you concerned, Gus??? This is important. Just another piece of evidence in how poor a job the Obama administration is doing.

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325 Varek Raith  Jun 5, 2014 4:23:42pm

re: #283 Killgore Trout

I would have though Obama would wait until after mid terms before pushing forward with the Gitmo thing. A lot of vulnerable Dems aren’t going to be happy.

Everything is not about politics.

326 simoom  Jun 5, 2014 4:24:32pm

re: #281 simoom

A few examples of US news media outlets tripping-over themselves to provide a megaphone for Taliban propaganda:

^ A particularly idiotic question, both for implying the Taliban previously lacked motivation to kidnap & kill Westerners, and because it’s almost a rhetorical question. No Taliban spox was ever going to respond: “No, in the future we’re now going to extend our warmest hospitality to Westerner’s we come across.”

327 klys  Jun 5, 2014 4:24:52pm

re: #325 Varek Raith

Everything is not about politics.

Sometimes personal ethics takes priority.

I know this is inconceivable to Republicans, apparently also to classical liberals libertarians.

328 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 4:25:01pm

More people killed in this country in any one year by dumbasses with guns than died on 9/11. But we’re supposed to live in constant fear of the terrorists and view people walking around with rifles slung over their shoulders as patriotic Americans.

329 Varek Raith  Jun 5, 2014 4:25:43pm

Another mass shooting.
Dammit.

330 thedopefishlives  Jun 5, 2014 4:26:42pm

I need ice cream. It’s been a crappy week at work, more derpularities forming, and now another mass shooting.

331 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 4:27:59pm
332 A Mom Anon  Jun 5, 2014 4:28:05pm

re: #330 thedopefishlives

I vote for Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough. AND Double Chocolate Chip.

333 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:28:25pm

If only the press had done as much speculation and second guessing on the Iraq war as they’re doing with Bergdahl.

334 Justanotherhuman  Jun 5, 2014 4:28:38pm

re: #326 simoom

A few examples of US news media outlets tripping-over themselves to provide a megaphone for Taliban propaganda:

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^ A particularly idiotic question, both for implying the Taliban previously lacked motivation to kidnap & kill Westerners, and because it’s almost a rhetorical question. No Taliban spox was ever going to respond: “No, in the future we’re now going to extend our warmest hospitality to Westerner’s we come across.”

We’re supposed to believe the Taliban?

Really, MSNBC, what do you take us for, a bunch of total idiots?

335 darthstar  Jun 5, 2014 4:28:44pm

But the media already concluded he’s a deserter.

336 Dr Lizardo  Jun 5, 2014 4:28:59pm

re: #328 Targetpractice

More people killed in this country in any one year by dumbasses with guns than died on 9/11. But we’re supposed to live in constant fear of the terrorists and view people walking around with rifles slung over their shoulders as patriotic Americans.

If al-Qaeda truly wanted to destroy the United States, all they’d need to do is come up with a floating head that spews guns, a la ‘Zardoz’ and says, “Hey you….with the Glock. See that guy over there? He’s gonna take your Social Security away. You….yeah, you, with the AR-15. That guy behind you? Yep…..he’s coming for your heirloom seeds and colloidal silver.”

337 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:29:44pm
338 jaunte  Jun 5, 2014 4:29:45pm

re: #333 Gus

If only the press had done as much speculation and second guessing on the Iraq war as they’re doing with Bergdahl.

Waiting for Time’s “Was Iraq Worth It” cover.

339 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 4:29:59pm

re: #326 simoom

“according to sources…”

>checks Scotch bottle<

340 darthstar  Jun 5, 2014 4:30:01pm

Here’s a Putin image that will make you take a rusty spoon to your brain in order to remove it from your memory…

341 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:30:04pm

re: #338 jaunte

Waiting for Time’s “Was Iraq Worth It” cover.

Boom!

342 PhillyPretzel  Jun 5, 2014 4:30:48pm

OT: My page on Operation Overlord plus 70 years. littlegreenfootballs.com

343 Bubblehead II  Jun 5, 2014 4:31:08pm

re: #332 A Mom Anon

I vote for Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough. AND Double Chocolate Chip.

Blue Bunny Butter Pecan

344 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:31:56pm

Republicans would have made a secret deal with the Taliban, engage in a massive cover-up, gotten Bergdahl back, and organized a ticker tape parade for him.

345 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 5, 2014 4:32:22pm

re: #337 Gus
Obama’s doing it wrong. He should have covered up everything surrounding Bergdahl and traded him for arms, cash and drugs.

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Best option is always Lawyers, Guns and Money…

Youtube Video
Warren Zevon Live BBC

RBS

346 thedopefishlives  Jun 5, 2014 4:32:25pm

re: #332 A Mom Anon

I vote for Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough. AND Double Chocolate Chip.

Cookie dough with chocolate chips, caramel, chocolate sauce, and a bit of frozen whipped cream. Yes, I am a pig.

347 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 4:32:29pm

re: #332 A Mom Anon

I vote for Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough. AND Double Chocolate Chip.

One of the backwoods granddaughters is a high school cheerleader and their fundraiser is selling those tubs of cookie dough (15 flavors at $15 a tub!).
I just gave her a $50 check made out to the cheerleader bank account and saved ourselves from violating healthy dieting practices…

348 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 4:33:09pm

re: #335 darthstar

But the media already concluded he’s a deserter.

Yes, our work is done. Next scandal, come on down!

349 Justanotherhuman  Jun 5, 2014 4:33:30pm

Glad I passed over the Time magazines at the dentist’s and went for The New Yorker (at least it has some droll cartoons even if a bit pretentious overall).

350 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 4:34:06pm

re: #340 darthstar

Here’s a Putin image that will make you take a rusty spoon to your brain in order to remove it from your memory…[Embedded image]

poop in his ears! poop in his ears!!!!

351 jaunte  Jun 5, 2014 4:35:41pm

Game over, man!

“…Also on Wednesday, Fox’s Sean Hannity promoted former GOP congressman Allen West’s conspiratorial claim that Bergdahl’s dad had supposedly “claimed” the White House for Islam by saying “in the name of God, most gracious, most compassionate,” in Arabic at President Obama’s announcement on Saturday.

But it appears that the White House may have already been claimed for Islam — back in 1805 during President Jefferson’s Iftar dinner.”
thinkprogress.org

352 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 4:35:49pm

heh…

353 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 4:35:53pm
354 sagehen  Jun 5, 2014 4:36:43pm

re: #326 simoom

A few examples of US news media outlets tripping-over themselves to provide a megaphone for Taliban propaganda:

[Embedded content]

^ A particularly idiotic question, both for implying the Taliban previously lacked motivation to kidnap & kill Westerners, and because it’s almost a rhetorical question. No Taliban spox was ever going to respond: “No, in the future we’re now going to extend our warmest hospitality to Westerner’s we come across.”

So he wandered away because he was pissed off at his colleagues… and was talking to himself, bitching about how very pissed off he was at his colleagues….

(I’ve done that. Not military, not in a warzone, but… I’ve been known to walk out of the office muttering not-very-under-my-breath about the asshole at the next desk or the guy whose music is too loud and the sunzabeetches who keep TAKING MY LUNCH FROM THE REFRIGERATOR I HAD A STICKER ON IT!!.)

355 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:37:57pm

Torture works in preventing terrorism!

What if Bergdahl was tortured?

Torture doesn’t work!

356 Bubblehead II  Jun 5, 2014 4:38:02pm

re: #340 darthstar

Here’s a Putin image that will make you take a rusty spoon to your brain in order to remove it from your memory…[Embedded image]

Nah, I have a bottle of Brain Bleach.

357 A Mom Anon  Jun 5, 2014 4:38:09pm

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, I have a chocolate problem, LOL. I just found out that there are Taco Bell chocolate taco kits now, just add ice cream. Hoo Boy.

358 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:38:16pm

Oh, I’m sorry. Enhanced interrogation. (Hacks up lung)

359 jaunte  Jun 5, 2014 4:38:29pm

re: #355 Gus

Torture doesn’t work on True Americans!

360 blueraven  Jun 5, 2014 4:39:52pm

re: #313 Gus

Newsflash KT. Some wingnut that’s going to have a nervous breakdown over GITMO closing won’t be voting for a Democrat in the first place.

I have a theory that many in the GOP secretly want Obama to close GITMO.
It is a loser for them, also if they ever get back in power they wouldn’t have to deal with it.

Of course they will beat him up over it if he does.

361 CuriousLurker  Jun 5, 2014 4:40:11pm

re: #346 thedopefishlives

Cookie dough with chocolate chips, caramel, chocolate sauce, and a bit of frozen whipped cream. Yes, I am a pig.

Pistachio muffin,. similar to this one. I just had one even though I’m not supposed to (which undoubtedly made it taste even better). They’re to die for if you like pistachios. I’m happy for the moment—it washed all the derp away.

362 EPR-radar  Jun 5, 2014 4:40:13pm

re: #359 jaunte

Torture doesn’t work on True Americans!

The mighty warriors of the 101st chairborne are impervious to pain!!

Other people’s pain.

363 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 4:40:22pm

double-checking the level in the Scotch bottle now….

O_o

364 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 4:40:25pm
365 Stanley Sea  Jun 5, 2014 4:40:59pm

AMERICA IS FUCKED UP.

366 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 4:41:03pm
367 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 4:41:12pm

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

double-checking the level in the Scotch bottle now….

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O_o

They found a copy of the Necronomicon?

368 thedopefishlives  Jun 5, 2014 4:41:29pm

re: #361 CuriousLurker

Pistachio muffin,. similar to this one. I just had one even though I’m not supposed to (which undoubtedly made it taste even better). They’re to die for if you like pistachios. I’m happy for the moment—it washed all the derp away.

I can’t stand nuts of any kind, sorry. I’m not allergic - I just don’t like the weird texture.

369 Decatur Deb  Jun 5, 2014 4:42:22pm

re: #367 Targetpractice

They found a copy of the Necronomicon?

It’s a cookbook!!1!

370 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:43:19pm

re: #366 Killgore Trout

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Fuck Tapper and fuck that Islamophobic idiot Allahpundit.

371 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 5, 2014 4:43:45pm

re: #368 thedopefishlives

I can’t stand nuts of any kind, sorry. I’m not allergic - I just don’t like the weird texture.

Then how can you possibly handle LFG?

RBS

372 Bubblehead II  Jun 5, 2014 4:43:54pm

re: #365 Stanley Sea

AMERICA IS FUCKED UP.

Your point being?

373 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 4:44:19pm

re: #359 jaunte

Torture doesn’t work on True Americans!

Just ask Hannity!

374 thedopefishlives  Jun 5, 2014 4:44:42pm

re: #371 RealityBasedSteve

Then how can you possibly handle LFG?

RBS

Very Carefully (tm).

375 Varek Raith  Jun 5, 2014 4:44:42pm

Internet spaceships time.
Less depressing.

376 jaunte  Jun 5, 2014 4:44:56pm

re: #371 RealityBasedSteve

We have a tremendous variety of weird textures.

377 Stanley Sea  Jun 5, 2014 4:45:02pm

re: #372 Bubblehead II

Your point being?

Shooting in Seattle.

378 Dr Lizardo  Jun 5, 2014 4:45:16pm

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

double-checking the level in the Scotch bottle now….

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O_o

I was wondering where that copy of the Necronomicon had got to. Glad they found it.

379 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 5, 2014 4:45:32pm

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

IT’S THE NECRONIMICON!

380 Shazam  Jun 5, 2014 4:45:32pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

As someone without Twitter, I’d say thanks for tweeting so I don’t have to hear you. [to the person you quoted]

381 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 4:45:41pm

re: #367 Targetpractice

They found a copy of the Necronomicon?

The story at the link is short. Read it. Ick.

382 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 4:45:58pm

re: #370 Gus

Fuck Tapper and fuck that Islamophobic idiot Allahpundit.

The note might be just a rumor.

383 CuriousLurker  Jun 5, 2014 4:46:11pm

Allahpundit? Haven’t seen that one in a while. I’m gonna go before the derp harshes my sugar mellow.

Y’all have fun. Later.

384 jaunte  Jun 5, 2014 4:47:12pm

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

double-checking the level in the Scotch bottle now….

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O_o

Just glad she had finished using it.

385 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 4:47:42pm
386 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 4:47:54pm

re: #382 Killgore Trout

The note might be just a rumor.

I’ve been told for days now with authoritative certainty by wingnuts that there was a note and that’s all the proof needed to declare him a deserter and a traitor.

You mean to tell me now that they’ve been bullshitting me?

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387 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 4:50:13pm

Charming fella:

McInnes used to write for VDARE which the Southern Poverty Law Center identifies as a “White Nationalist” “hate group,” and stated in 2011 “I love me some VDARE.” In one post for VDARE, McInnes compared a Canadian university to a “madrassa” because it wouldn’t host Jared Taylor, a white nationalist who advocates for founding all-white towns.

McInnes currrently writes for Taki’s Magazine, a “paleoconservative” website that publishes overtly racist articles including ones by neo-confederates.

388 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 4:51:05pm

re: #386 Targetpractice

I’ve been told for days now with authoritative certainty by wingnuts that there was a note and that’s all the proof needed to declare him a deserter and a traitor.

You mean to tell me now that they’ve been bullshitting me?

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There’s much bullshit afloat these days. But Tapper has talked to a lot of these guys, I would think if someone saw the note he’d know about it. It might just be a rumor that circulated among the squad, everybody assumed it was true but nobody ever saw it.

389 Mike Lamb  Jun 5, 2014 4:53:34pm

re: #326 simoom

A few examples of US news media outlets tripping-over themselves to provide a megaphone for Taliban propaganda:

[Embedded content]

^ A particularly idiotic question, both for implying the Taliban previously lacked motivation to kidnap & kill Westerners, and because it’s almost a rhetorical question. No Taliban spox was ever going to respond: “No, in the future we’re now going to extend our warmest hospitality to Westerner’s we come across.”

Some of it might not be propaganda—I mean it’s not out of the question that the guy was pissed off at someone in his unit; walked off base to blow off steam; and was talking to himself as in “Fuck that guy”…

The rest I agree with. Anyone that actually believes this impacts their motivations is galactically stupid. Well, I take that back—it could effect things in the sense that before it was “Let’s cut this motherfucker’s head off” to “Maybe he’s worth something alive”.

390 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 4:53:35pm

Gus what have you gone and done now? ;)

391 blueraven  Jun 5, 2014 4:54:44pm

re: #388 Killgore Trout

There’s much bullshit afloat these days. But Tapper has talked to a lot of these guys, I would think if someone saw the note he’d know about it. It might just be a rumor that circulated among the squad, everybody assumed it was true but nobody ever saw it.

If there was a note, it should have been handed up through the chain of command and should have ended up in the report.
It is a pretty important piece of evidence, don’t you think?

392 thedopefishlives  Jun 5, 2014 4:55:22pm

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gus what have you gone and done now? ;)

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Woopsy. I think I left HAARP plugged in overnight.

393 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:55:25pm

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gus what have you gone and done now? ;)

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Uh oh. Let me go outside and look.

394 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 4:56:06pm

re: #391 blueraven

If there was a note, it should have been handed up through the chain of command and should have ended up in the report.
It is a pretty important piece of evidence, don’t you think?

Yup, and it’s looking increasingly likely the note wasn’t mentioned in the report because it never existed.

395 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 4:56:55pm

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gus what have you gone and done now? ;)

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Oh hell, Gozer’s back.

396 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 5, 2014 4:57:20pm

This latest outburst of RWNJ hate lunacy almost defies belief, even for experienced and hardened wingnut watchers.

I am going to make a prediction, one that gives me no pleasure but that I believe will come to pass: There will be a major right wing insurrection or terrorist incident, one with 100+ casualties, before the summer is over. We can’t give way to paranoia and suspicion, but do keep your eyes and ears open.

Btw, I want to thank all the lizards who have done such great work in documenting this unprecedented behavior by the right.

397 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 4:57:21pm
398 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 4:58:02pm

re: #391 blueraven

If there was a note, it should have been handed up through the chain of command and should have ended up in the report.
It is a pretty important piece of evidence, don’t you think?

THIS. If a note like that existed, where is it? Why didn’t they hand it over five goddamn years ago when he first disappeared?

It’s just more RWNJ bullshit as they work to smear a soldier they’d previously been begging POTUS to have released.

399 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 4:58:16pm

That Denver cloud picture is teh BESTEST!

400 Shazam  Jun 5, 2014 4:58:30pm

How is Greenwald handling not being the center of attention?

401 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 4:58:53pm

re: #400 Shazam

How is Greenwald handling not being the center of attention?

GG haz a major sad

402 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 4:59:19pm

Just a light shower here. Drops.

403 Lidane  Jun 5, 2014 4:59:31pm

re: #400 Shazam

How is Greenwald handling not being the center of attention?

About as well as you’d expect:

404 goddamnedfrank  Jun 5, 2014 4:59:32pm

SPU is one of those Christian Universities with a mind towards policing their students naughty bits.

Behaviors for which students or student organizations are subject to disciplinary action include, but are not limited to the following:

3. Cohabitation and related forms of premarital, extramarital, or homosexual sexual activities. For more information on the subject of sexuality, refer to SPU’s Statement on Human Sexuality.

Notice that guns is way down on the list at #14.

405 Dr Lizardo  Jun 5, 2014 5:00:33pm

re: #404 goddamnedfrank

SPU is one of those Christian Universities with a mind towards policing their students naughty bits.

Notice that guns is way down on the list at #14.

What? No orgies?!!

Fuck that.

406 thedopefishlives  Jun 5, 2014 5:01:04pm

re: #405 Dr Lizardo

What? No orgies?!!

Fuck that.

No, no fucking anything, not on God’s campus.

407 wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2014 5:01:14pm

re: #402 Gus

Just a light shower here. Drops.

That’s how it always starts….

408 b.d.  Jun 5, 2014 5:01:26pm

re: #402 Gus

Just a light shower here. Drops.

Hunker anyways, just in case, one can never do enough hunkering.

409 Justanotherhuman  Jun 5, 2014 5:02:41pm

re: #400 Shazam

How is Greenwald handling not being the center of attention?

Pouting, judging by his twits.

410 wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2014 5:03:46pm

Elias Saavedra, one of the last survivors of the Bataan Death March, died Wednesday. He was 96.

Saavedra died of natural causes at his San Rafael, New Mexico, home after battling a number of illnesses, his son Alfred Saavedra said.

Born in 1918 in San Rafael, Saavedra joined the New Mexico National Guard at the outset of World War II. He was one of 75,000 Filipino and American soldiers taken captive by the Japanese in World War II when U.S. forces surrendered in the province of Bataan and Corregidor Island in April 1942.

In all, tens of thousands of troops were forced to march to Japanese prison camps in what became known as the Bataan Death March. Many were denied food, water and medical care, and those who collapsed during the scorching journey through Philippine jungles were shot or bayoneted.

The American defenders of Bataan included around 1,800 soldiers from New Mexico, who were part of the National Guard’s 200th and 515th Coast Artillery Regiments. Officials estimate that half of them did not survive the war.

After the war, Saavedra returned to New Mexico, where he worked in service stations in Grants, New Mexico, before operating his own station in San Rafael.

Family members said Saavedra rarely talked about his experiences in the march, but he did take part in various memorial events. When the National Guard came years later to award Saavedra some medals, Alfred Saavedra said his father asked them to leave and to give the medals to him. “He didn’t like the recognition,” the son said.

But occasionally, the elder Saavedra would bring up something about working in a labor camp and mention how he had to bury people, his son said.

“He would begin talking about it, so I’d begin to ask more questions to see if he’d open up,” Alfred Saavedra. “But then he would just break down and start crying. And I’d say, ‘Never mind.’ “

411 Varek Raith  Jun 5, 2014 5:03:51pm

re: #408 b.d.

Hunker anyways, just in case, one can never do enough hunkering.

Especially if that thing starts pewpewpewing.

412 A Mom Anon  Jun 5, 2014 5:07:17pm

re: #410 wrenchwench

Aww, and damn. Atrocities never leave people, ever.

413 wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2014 5:08:33pm
414 wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2014 5:09:21pm

re: #412 A Mom Anon

Aww, and damn. Atrocities never leave people, ever.

The last of the original Code Talkers died this week too.

415 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 5:10:54pm

re: #413 wrenchwench

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AP Alert just said one of those injured died at the hospital.

416 A Mom Anon  Jun 5, 2014 5:11:46pm

re: #414 wrenchwench

I know, I read that too. History is passing before our eyes. I hope we can salvage things so that younger generations remember and learn from these people’s lives.

417 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 5:13:29pm

re: #415 Targetpractice

AP Alert just said one of those injured died at the hospital.

dammit

418 HappyWarrior  Jun 5, 2014 5:13:34pm

re: #416 A Mom Anon

I know, I read that too. History is passing before our eyes. I hope we can salvage things so that younger generations remember and learn from these people’s lives.

Wish we had the technology we have now back when these guys were all younger and their memories more fresh. An oral history project would be great.

419 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 5:16:43pm
420 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 5:16:46pm

421 wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2014 5:17:50pm
422 Stanley Sea  Jun 5, 2014 5:17:51pm

re: #415 Targetpractice

AP Alert just said one of those injured died at the hospital.

What a week America.

423 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 5, 2014 5:17:53pm

re: #418 HappyWarrior

I think you are really going to like this link…
nationalww2museum.org

The Museum has collected a number of recordings of the personal stories of veterans of World War II. These oral histories contain vivid retellings and synthesis of the experience of the war through first-hand accounts and memories of the men who were there.
Click on the images below to watch each featured veteran’s oral history.

424 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 5:18:14pm

ZOMG!

425 Stanley Sea  Jun 5, 2014 5:19:05pm

re: #424 Gus

ZOMG!

In your face.

426 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 5, 2014 5:19:13pm

re: #422 Stanley Sea

Kudos to those who stepped up and stopped him, unarmed.

427 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 5:19:31pm

re: #425 Stanley Sea

In your face.

Not sure if should Tweet. :D

428 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 5:20:38pm

ah…all is well in Gus-land.

429 dog philosopher  Jun 5, 2014 5:20:43pm

re: #370 Gus

Fuck Tapper and fuck that Islamophobic idiot Allahpundit.

fuck pundits

fuck em

430 Targetpractice  Jun 5, 2014 5:20:52pm

re: #426 Rightwingconspirator

Kudos to those who stepped up and stopped him, unarmed.

Wait, how can that be? I thought stopping a bad guy with a gun required a good guy with a gun?

431 klys  Jun 5, 2014 5:21:07pm

re: #428 Backwoods_Sleuth

ah…all is well in Gus-land.

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But what does it mean???

432 Justanotherhuman  Jun 5, 2014 5:21:16pm

This is Canada’s NRA, folks.

National Firearms Association statement draws sharp response on Twitter

globalnews.ca

“The NFA deplores the terrible actions by a clearly deranged individual that led to these deaths and injuries,” the group said in the statement.

“Incidents like these demonstrate the validity of the mounting evidence that none of Canada’s firearms control efforts over the past 50 years have had any effect on preventing violence, or otherwise stopping bad people from carrying out their evil deeds.” More

433 wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2014 5:21:22pm

re: #418 HappyWarrior

Wish we had the technology we have now back when these guys were all younger and their memories more fresh. An oral history project would be great.

Oral history is tough. I spent a month among aunts, uncles, grandmothers, and others. The only ones who would speak knowing they were being recorded were the grandmothers. They talked the most when they were drinking.

434 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 5:21:40pm

re: #431 klys

But what does it mean???

It means Gus better go looking for TWO pots of gold!

435 b.d.  Jun 5, 2014 5:21:51pm

re: #427 Gus

Not sure if should Tweet. :D

[flapping arms] Brack Brack Brack [/flapping arms]

436 A Mom Anon  Jun 5, 2014 5:21:52pm

re: #420 Gus

Please tell me you tweeted that to the assholes at Time.

437 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 5:22:33pm

re: #436 A Mom Anon

Please tell me you tweeted that to the assholes at Time.

Got it all loaded up.

438 klys  Jun 5, 2014 5:22:39pm

re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth

It means Gus better go looking for TWO pots of gold!

Double rainbow, across the skyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!

439 Dr Lizardo  Jun 5, 2014 5:23:05pm

Good night, Lizards.

440 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 5:23:19pm

Missiles away!

441 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 5:25:02pm

re: #440 Gus

Missiles away!

[Embedded content]

Got your first retweet on that!

442 Killgore Trout  Jun 5, 2014 5:25:04pm

re: #396 Shiplord Kirel

This latest outburst of RWNJ hate lunacy almost defies belief, even for experienced and hardened wingnut watchers.

I am going to make a prediction, one that gives me no pleasure but that I believe will come to pass: There will be a major right wing insurrection or terrorist incident, one with 100+ casualties, before the summer is over. We can’t give way to paranoia and suspicion, but do keep your eyes and ears open.

Btw, I want to thank all the lizards who have done such great work in documenting this unprecedented behavior by the right.

Looks like it’s too late for that

443 palomino  Jun 5, 2014 5:29:51pm

re: #45 Lidane

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That’s Rep. Hunter from CA. He’s the one who supports using tactical nuclear weapons to bomb Iran. Yes, that’s right—nuclear weapons. Who gives a shit that we’ve pledged never to use nuclear weapons (of any sort) in a first strike capacity? We used nukes in 1945, that was a long time ago, so why not use them again?

444 abolitionist  Jun 5, 2014 5:30:39pm

re: #414 wrenchwench

The last of the original Code Talkers died this week too.

re: #418 HappyWarrior

Wish we had the technology we have now back when these guys were all younger and their memories more fresh. An oral history project would be great.

Found this link in a comment at Arstechnica:
Veterans History Project Field Kit

Nice pic here: Chester Nez, last of the original Navajo code talkers, dies at 93

445 piratedan  Jun 5, 2014 5:31:13pm

re: #443 palomino

for most of these guys, History is something they failed in the 8th, 10th and 12th grade….

446 Not Approved By The MPAA  Jun 5, 2014 5:31:17pm

Ah, the right-wing … always so very quick to smear anyone if it will help tarnish the Prez. The baseless assumptions of the Benghazi incident weren’t enough,so they had to go after an American soldier, and prisoner of war, before knowing more of the actual facts, just ‘cause a deal was put in place to bring the man home, by an administration they would rather slander and demean instead of working together to do they right thing and make improvements to the variety of dire situations the country faces.

A lot of the facts about Bergdahl are still up-in-the-air, but there is no evidence to support the most heinous crimes of which he is accused. The man served his country in an ill-conceived conflict that has dragged on for nearly thirteen years, with no definable goals and no foreseeable, positive outcome. Surely this man deserves the benefit of the doubt before the fucking right-wing smear machine crucifies him?

Apparently not.

The horrible excuse for human beings who pass themselves off as “journalists” at FOX news even went after the man’s father who took it upon himself to learn some of the Pashtu language and the culture, simply in order to try ANYTHING to have his son returned alive.

As for the other bullshit meme that we don’t “negotiate”with terrorists …? ( Also turns out the “Fast 5” most dangerous/hardened terrorists who were bartered for Bergdahl — yeah, maybe they aren’t as maniacal as (shocker!) the right-wing machine would have us believe … Christ, you’d’ve thought they were “Bane”…) I’d love to see the right-wing rationalize the Iran-Contra scandal which provided sophisticated weaponry to a terrorist nation-state in exchange for hostages — with a bonus of overthrowing a democratically elected administration in Nicaragua. Oh, but that’s okay ‘cause it was Reagan and he was a saint.

He’s not the crazy, secret Muslim whose gonna take away all our guns, enact Sharia law and put all those on the right in concentration camps now that he’s tanked the economy, lost two wars and turned the US of A into a socialist paradise with his health-care for all tyranny.

Sigh. Another day, another bunch of disgusting, unpatriotic crap from the right.

I’m disgusted beyond words and I am fully ashamed of many of my fellow countrymen.

447 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 5:31:57pm
448 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 5, 2014 5:32:47pm

re: #446 Not Approved By The MPAA

Tell ya what he is. My favorite President in a long time.

Fuck The Critics

449 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 5, 2014 5:33:54pm
450 abolitionist  Jun 5, 2014 5:35:37pm

re: #448 Rightwingconspirator

Tell ya what he is. My favorite President in a long time.

Fuck The Critics

Someone said we were gonna be hoodwinked, bamboozled, and something else. Guess he was right about that.

451 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 5, 2014 5:37:52pm

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and engaged in illegal and unwarranted invasions of our privacy, what with his knowing who’s naughty and who’s nice. No respect for personal property, the way he enters houses. I’m just waiting for the day that he meets a good gun toting patriot who is willing to stand his ground and not let this red jacketed anarchist get out alive.

RBS

452 jaunte  Jun 5, 2014 5:38:04pm

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

453 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 5:38:55pm

re: #452 jaunte

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454 jaunte  Jun 5, 2014 5:40:32pm

re: #453 Gus

MCINNES: I hate this guy […] White liberal nerds love this guy so much, he could defecate on them like Martin Bashir’s fantasies and they would dance in the streets. All he does is, he’s drunk with adulation. And he talks about things like “when I was young in New York I would get racially profiled when I’d go into stores.” Back then he looked like he was in The Warriors. He had a huge afro and a cutoff shirt and New York was a war zone. Sorry, you fit the profile.

McInnes’ mom really liked the brown acid.

455 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 5, 2014 5:41:27pm

re: #443 palomino

That’s Rep. Hunter from CA. He’s the one who supports using tactical nuclear weapons to bomb Iran. Yes, that’s right—nuclear weapons. Who gives a shit that we’ve pledged never to use nuclear weapons (of any sort) in a first strike capacity? We used nukes in 1945, that was a long time ago, so why not use them again?

I didn’t think that the US has renounced first strike capability? I was under the impression that only China and India have officially made that policy. Please correct me, let me know where you got your info, so I can correct myself.

Thanks

RBS

456 jaunte  Jun 5, 2014 5:41:35pm
“Hannity has also hosted McInnes frequently — 18 times so far in 2014”

What a year.

457 palomino  Jun 5, 2014 5:41:38pm

re: #420 Gus

[Embedded image]

The cover pretty much answers its own question.

Even the loyal Bushies and hardcore neo-cons don’t like talking about Iraq anymore. Pretty much tells you what you need to know. They’d like to forget about it, and have the rest of us forget too.

458 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 5, 2014 5:43:06pm

re: #442 Killgore Trout

Looks like it’s too late for that

Is what I said impossible, or even unlikely, given what we saw at the Bundy ranch, given the dozens of violent incidents documented here so far, given crazed RWNJs parading around with assault rifles on their backs? Are the militia kooks just going to declare their point made and go back to being honest citizens?
Are we not right to expect that people who promise violence every hour of every day might eventually deliver on those promises? Did Oklahoma City not happen? What is so different now, except that the rhetoric is exponentially hotter and the number of possible perpetrators enormously greater? It isn’t paranoid to shout “fire” when you see smoke pouring out of the baseboards. I should have qualified suspicion with “unwarranted” but what the hell, I sometimes under-estimate how obvious something has to be for some members of the audience.

459 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 5:43:25pm

re: #454 jaunte

McInnes’ mom really liked the brown acid.

Gawt damn.

460 wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2014 5:44:46pm

After I read that, I’m almost ready to believe Clarridge directed Bergdahl’s abduction.

461 Kragar  Jun 5, 2014 5:47:26pm
462 dog philosopher  Jun 5, 2014 5:47:53pm

re: #255 Decatur Deb

Some of them might feel resentful or even pissed. They need to go to the Old Peshmurgas’ Home.

i know plenty of alteh pashkudiks - does that count?

463 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 5, 2014 5:48:15pm

Bundy Ranch was a real eye-opener. Before that, I wouldn’t have thought you could get more than 2 or 3 serious militia kooks together for a genuine confrontation with authority, and 3 was probably a stretch.

464 dog philosopher  Jun 5, 2014 5:48:31pm

Dewey Clarridge

i want to be named after an expensive scotch and a very fancy hotel

465 Varek Raith  Jun 5, 2014 5:49:29pm

re: #464 dog philosopher

Dewey Clarridge

i want to be named after an expensive scotch and a very fancy hotel

So say we all.

466 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 5, 2014 5:49:54pm

re: #464 dog philosopher

Dewey Clarridge

i want to be named after an expensive scotch and a very fancy hotel

Ok, from this point forward, you shall be know as Glenmore Greenbriar.

RBS

467 wrenchwench  Jun 5, 2014 5:49:58pm
468 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 5, 2014 5:50:25pm

re: #455 RealityBasedSteve

IIRC we reserve the first strike option by way of an ultimate threat against those who might present an existential threat conventionally against a sworn ally. Like Japan for instance or South Korea.

Recent policy update-

WASHINGTON—The Obama administration will release a new national nuclear-weapons strategy Tuesday that makes only modest changes to U.S. nuclear forces, leaving intact the longstanding U.S. threat to use nuclear weapons first, even against non-nuclear nations.

The Obama administration will release a new national nuclear-weapons strategy Tuesday that makes only modest changes to U.S. nuclear forces.

But the new policy will narrow potential U.S. nuclear targets, and for the first time makes explicit the goal of making deterrence of a nuclear strike the “sole objective” of U.S. nuclear weapons, a senior Obama administration official said Monday.

Also for the first time, nations complying with their nuclear non-proliferation obligations that attack the U.S. or its allies with chemical or biological weapons will no longer be threatened with nuclear retaliation, the official said. But the president will make clear they would “face the prospect of a devastating conventional attack,” the official said.

469 Gus  Jun 5, 2014 5:50:58pm
470 dog philosopher  Jun 5, 2014 5:52:23pm

re: #466 RealityBasedSteve

Ok, from this point forward, you shall be know as Glenmore Greenbriar.

RBS

i just got five invitations to join a country club

471 palomino  Jun 5, 2014 5:55:38pm

re: #455 RealityBasedSteve

I didn’t think that the US has renounced first strike capability? I was under the impression that only China and India have officially made that policy. Please correct me, let me know where you got your info, so I can correct myself.

Thanks

RBS

Maybe we haven’t officially renounced it. But the possibility of using nukes in a first strike capacity isn’t something you’ll hear politicians propose very often. For one simple reason, it’s fucking insane.


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