Twitter Report by Melissa Chan of Al Jazeera on Jerad Miller

His call sign: “The Joker.” That’s all this man with an AK-47 and 9 mm Smith & Wesson would say.
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“Just realized I interviewed Vegas cop killer Jerad Miller outside Bundy Ranch in April.” — Melissa Chan

— Melissa Chan (@melissakchan) June 10, 2014


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1 Kragar  Jun 9, 2014 7:51:50pm
2 Skip Intro  Jun 9, 2014 10:05:04pm

I’m not sure why Jerad is getting all the press since the real badass psycho was his wife Andrea. By my count she killed four people to his one.

3 KerFuFFler  Jun 10, 2014 9:18:10am

Jerad Miller: “My call sign is Joker… If the government is going to label me a terrorist… Why not be call sign Joker.”

So maybe his enjoyment of his Joker costume was not so innocent after all….

4 blueraven  Jun 10, 2014 9:21:19am

OT, but it appears the Oregon HS shooter is dead. Report by Pete Williams NBC

5 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 9:21:33am

He seemed like such a nice young man, all armed up and all.

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6 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 9:21:52am

re: #3 KerFuFFler

Jerad Miller: “My call sign is Joker… If the government is going to label me a terrorist… Why not be call sign Joker.”

So maybe his enjoyment of his Joker costume was not so innocent after all….

Yeah, it seems to be a popular anti-hero alter ego lately.

7 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 9:22:55am

I’m just shocked, shocked that, after 6 years of blind insane rage being pumped into millions of households by the Limbaugh/Breitbart/Drudge axis, that someone would actually take what they’re saying seriously and start a “revolution”.

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8 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 10, 2014 9:23:12am

re: #4 blueraven

OT, but it appears the Oregon HS shooter is dead. Report by Pete Williams NBC

Yup per sheriffs dept…

9 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 9:23:19am

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it seems to be a popular anti-hero alter ego lately.

Because of Batman or “Full Metal Jacket”?

10 makeitstop  Jun 10, 2014 9:23:36am

OT: Live feed on Oregon school shooting.

11 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 9:24:04am

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

12 KerFuFFler  Jun 10, 2014 9:24:52am

Seeing the image of him guarding the road to Bundy’s ranch gives me the sense is that a lot of the appeal for these people is that they long to be important and part of an important mission. Addressing how our society marginalizes so many could reduce the appeal of such movements.

13 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 10, 2014 9:25:21am

Some good news if true…

14 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 9:25:29am

Jerad didn’t seem to stick to his “principles” very long.

Melissa Chan ✔ @melissakchan
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Jerad Miller said he wanted to talk to reporters so people “can see we’re not just inbred, gun happy, trigger-pulling people.”
12:00 AM - 10 Jun 2014

Liars.

15 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 10, 2014 9:25:45am

What is this call sign crap? All of these freelance home-made commandos seem to have a personal call sign. Do they want to pretend they are part of some double sekrit underground network where those in the know are all aware of these extra special identifiers? “OOOh, it’s ‘the joker.’ Better pay attention now.”

16 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 9:25:47am

re: #11 Pie-onist Overlord

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

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Nothing. As the Seattle Pacific U. shootings and the Jerad Miller rampage show, a good guy with a gun always wins. And a good guy with something like non-lethal pepper spray will always end up as worm food.

Wait, what?

17 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 9:26:25am

re: #9 Ian G.

Because of Batman or “Full Metal Jacket”?

I think it’s more of a batman thing. The Keith Ledger Joker reboot seems to have resonated with some folks on the fringe. From an acting point of view it’s quite a feat for someone to best Jack Nicholson in the same role.

18 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 9:26:51am

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel

What is this call sign crap? All of these freelance home-made commandos seem to have a personal call sign. Do they want to pretend they are part of some double sekrit underground network where those in the know are all aware of these extra special identifiers? “OOOh, it’s ‘the joker.’ Better pay attention now.”

That’s exactly what it is: a need to feel important, special, like the hero of a Tom Clancy novel.

19 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 10, 2014 9:27:45am

re: #11 Pie-onist Overlord

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

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I think Aaron has confused “diffuse” with “de-fuse.” Then again, it’s possible he wants some nutcake on scene to spread the shooting far and wide from its point of origin.

20 Timothy Watson  Jun 10, 2014 9:28:49am

re: #2 Skip Intro

I’m not sure why Jerad is getting all the press since the real badass psycho was his wife Andrea. By my count she killed four people to his one.

This is something I’ve found particular interesting, but haven’t heard a lot of people talking about. I’ve read Dave Cullen’s Columbine, and one of the psychologists he talked to about the shooting mentioned how rare it was for there to be two spree killers together and that one was almost always the dominant one of the group (in Columbine, that was Eric Harris why Dylan Klebold was described as serving from suicidal depression).

Based on the fact that the wife shot more people, in addition to shooting her husband and then killing herself, it seems she was the dominant one of the group.

21 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 9:30:22am

BTW, I’d just like to take the time, at this moment of yet another school shooting, to be glad that the 2nd amendment is there so I can protect my farm from Lord Howe’s marauding forces.

Sigh……

22 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 9:30:51am

re:
#7
Ian G.

Totally. UMpossible!!!1

23 Mike Lamb  Jun 10, 2014 9:31:10am

re: #1 Kragar

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I think the larger point was the fact that this dude, who was involved with killing 2 police and a bystander just 2 months after the interview did not stand out in any way. That he is/was typical of the people at Bundy Ranch. It’s pretty freaking scary.

24 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 9:31:46am

re: #7 Ian G.

I’m just shocked, shocked that, after 6 years of blind insane rage being pumped into millions of households by the Limbaugh/Breitbart/Drudge axis, that someone would actually take what they’re saying seriously and start a “revolution”.

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More like 15 years for Limbaugh now.

25 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 9:32:17am

Teacher was victim; but no one deceased.

Nothing like making yourself a stand-out target.

26 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 9:32:52am

Rush Limbo has been around spewing bile since at least the early 1990’s, or going on 20 years.

27 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 9:34:07am

re: #23 Mike Lamb

I think the larger point was the fact that this dude, who was involved with killing 2 police and a bystander just 2 months after the interview did not stand out in any way. That he is/was typical of the people at Bundy Ranch. It’s pretty freaking scary.

Well, he stood out to me, as did all of the other Bundy terrorists who targeted BLM officials.

They weren’t there just for the free food, not dressed up in camo carrying weapons. What more did they have to do to get noticed?

28 KerFuFFler  Jun 10, 2014 9:34:12am

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel

What is this call sign crap? All of these freelance home-made commandos seem to have a personal call sign. Do they want to pretend they are part of some double sekrit underground network where those in the know are all aware of these extra special identifiers? “OOOh, it’s ‘the joker.’ Better pay attention now.”

Yup!

It makes them feel important.

I imagine that part of what motivates ex-military——obviously not all ex- military, but the ones who join these militias——-to become involved in these groups is that they desperately miss the sense of mission and the strong personal loyalties that can develop. The emotional appeal of these militias is far more compelling than the satisfaction that most grunt jobs have to offer.

29 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 9:34:48am

re:
#19
Shiplord Kirel

Hurr durr I doesnt need too spell for common sense people!!11

30 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 9:36:08am

re: #26 Bulworth

Rush Limbo has been around spewing bile since at least the early 1990’s, or going on 20 years.

True, but it’s only since around 2000 that he let his true nature come out into the open. John McCain challenging Bush the Lessor for pres seemed to be the event that let the hate start flowing freely.

31 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 10, 2014 9:36:14am
32 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 9:37:22am

re:
#27
Skip Intro

They weren’t there just for the free food, not dressed up in camo carrying weapons. What more did they have to do to get noticed?

Say they want to impose Sharia Law. Duh. /////

33 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 9:37:35am

Even though this is a big country, these shootings, coming so closely together this week, do not seem to be “isolated incidents”. It will be interesting to find out if any of the people involved were in touch with one another or belonged to a common group of some type, even an online one.

34 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 9:38:47am

re:
#33
Justanotherhuman

Hey, look over there, Benghazi!!

35 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 10, 2014 9:40:33am

re: #31 NJDhockeyfan

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Attention, nutcakes, “Ma Deuce” is not a baby sitter.

Browning M2 heavy machine gun, caliber .50 in.

36 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 9:41:42am

re: #33 Justanotherhuman

Even though this is a big country, these shootings, coming so closely together this week, do not seem to be “isolated incidents”. It will be interesting to find out if any of the people involved were in touch with one another or belonged to a common group of some type, even an online one.

Could be a copycat effect. One incident triggers another incident, which in turn inspires another shooter to one-up the previous ones, etc., etc.

Like a sick competition; who can rack up the highest bodycount?

37 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 9:45:03am

Royal Hawaiian Shooting Club

“…staffed with NRA certified instructors.”

rhshooting.com

Yes, they even show guns “women and children will enjoy”.

rhshooting.com

38 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2014 9:45:50am

nice story:

D-Day veteran GI’s dog tag reunited with Detroit family

The dog tag of an American D-Day veteran is to be reunited with his family in Detroit after lying lost in the ground in Wales for 70 years.
Barrie Jones, 52, from Swansea, began a transatlantic hunt after finding the metal identity disc in his garden.
It belonged to Thurmond Carethers, one of thousands of GIs camped in the area as they prepared to invade Europe.
Carethers’s daughter Maurine said: “He did what he had to do. He was trying to get back home to marry my mother.”

39 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 9:45:59am

re: #33 Justanotherhuman

Even though this is a big country, these shootings, coming so closely together this week, do not seem to be “isolated incidents”. It will be interesting to find out if any of the people involved were in touch with one another or belonged to a common group of some type, even an online one.

I’m guessing probably not but the press frenzy can inspire people who are on the edge and are thinking about something of have just put the final touches on their manifesto. Remember the anthrax mailings after 9-11? Not officially connected but someone had anthrax laying around and thought it was a good time to make their point. My guess is this recent uptick it the result of the California shooter targeting women. He was rich, his victims were pretty and white so the press gave him a lot of attention, highlighted his grievances and manifesto. Other nuts wants some of the attention.

40 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 9:47:24am

“He seemed completely normal to me as he stood in front of me wearing camo and a sidearm and semi auto rifle as he talked about tyranny and the government taking away rights and putting restrictions and regulations on things that they have no business in. Oh, did I mention it was at Cliven Bundys ranch which is a Huge Bag ‘O Nuts that attracted bags of nuts from near and far?”
“Jerad Miller: “My call sign is Joker… If the government is going to label me a terrorist… Why not be call sign Joker.”
Gee. Sounds normal to me……

41 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2014 9:48:12am
42 Dr. Matt  Jun 10, 2014 9:48:54am

The Jerad Miller’s of the world that worship guns and constantly fantasize about armed warfare are also the same type that are too cowardly to take a real oath and wear this nation’s uniform.

43 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 9:49:01am

re: #40 nines09

“He seemed completely normal to me as he stood in front of me wearing camo and a sidearm and semi auto rifle as he talked about tyranny and the government taking away rights and putting restrictions and regulations on things that they have no business in. Oh, did I mention it was at Cliven Bundys ranch which is a Huge Bag ‘O Nuts that attracted bags of nuts from near and far?”
“Jerad Miller: “My call sign is Joker… If the government is going to label me a terrorist… Why not be call sign Joker.”
Gee. Sounds normal to me……

Wow, who would assume “completely normal” when talking with someone like that?

44 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 9:49:27am

re: #40 nines09

Well, Bulworth does have a point. No one mentioned Sharia Law so how was a reporter supposed to know they might be dangerous?

45 Kilroy01  Jun 10, 2014 9:50:25am

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

Depend on how out of alignment their parents head space and timing is.

46 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 9:50:57am

re: #42 Dr. Matt

The Jerad Miller’s of the world that worship guns and constantly fantasize about armed warfare are also the same type that are too cowardly to take a real oath and wear this nation’s uniform.

I’m sure there are missions that have a very small rate of survival. They can suit up, drop in, and kill to their hearts content. But no. That would take courage.

47 Dr. Matt  Jun 10, 2014 9:51:08am

Has Alex Jones declared that today’s shooting are more false flags?

48 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 9:51:56am

re: #40 nines09

“He seemed completely normal to me as he stood in front of me wearing camo and a sidearm and semi auto rifle as he talked about tyranny and the government taking away rights and putting restrictions and regulations on things that they have no business in. Oh, did I mention it was at Cliven Bundys ranch which is a Huge Bag ‘O Nuts that attracted bags of nuts from near and far?”
“Jerad Miller: “My call sign is Joker… If the government is going to label me a terrorist… Why not be call sign Joker.”
Gee. Sounds normal to me……

Yeah, sounds completely normal. If I heard that bullshit coming out of someone’s mouth, I’d walk away and report him to the authorities - as in, you’d better keep an eye on this MoFo, because he’s probably gonna start shooting people for no good reason.

Years and years and years ago, I dated a gal with similar delusions. I had a .45 pistol at the time, and when she started in that BS, I made damned sure it was hidden away when she came over. I never even told her I had it - better safe than sorry.

49 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 9:52:33am

Fuck this shit.

Shots fired at Vance County Courthouse in Henderson, NC; no injuries, sheriff says - @DerekRowles
End of alert

50 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 9:53:37am

re: #43 Justanotherhuman

re: #48 Dr Lizardo

“Did not appear unhinged” is her exact words. In that crowd he was normal. Just one of the boys.

51 Mike Lamb  Jun 10, 2014 9:54:59am

re: #27 Skip Intro

Well, he stood out to me, as did all of the other Bundy terrorists who targeted BLM officials.

They weren’t there just for the free food, not dressed up in camo carrying weapons. What more did they have to do to get noticed?

That’s sort of my point. These people were legitimized primarily by the GOP, but also through the media coverage of the events. Classic magical balance fairy. Yet, you have Miller, who didn’t stand out from the other Bundy ranchers in any way, start a shooting spree 2 months later.

Rather than emphasizing how completely loony, abnormal, out of touch, etc. etc. these people are, they were being treated as having some legitimate beef. As such, the undercurrent of violence/threats that was flashing like a neon sign over Bundy Ranch was muted…and now people are shocked, SHOCKED! that a shooting like this took place. It couldn’t be the natural consequence of a virulent political dogma, egged on by the GOP’s anti-gov’t rhetoric—nope, dude had to be schizo or dissociative.

52 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 9:55:02am

re: #50 nines09

“Did not appear unhinged” is her exact words. In that crowd he was normal. Just one of the boys.

So, she thought all those “sovereign citizen” types and the situation at Bundy ranch was “normal”?

Tired of these brain-dead reporters.

53 Dr. Matt  Jun 10, 2014 9:55:22am

re: #50 nines09

“Did not appear unhinged” is her exact words. In that crowd he was normal. Just one of the boys.

Well technically, Sean Hannity doesn’t “appear unhinged” next to Alex Jones or Glenn Beck. It’s all perspective I imagine,…..

54 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 9:55:33am

re: #49 Justanotherhuman

Fuck this shit.

Shots fired at Vance County Courthouse in Henderson, NC; no injuries, sheriff says - @DerekRowles
End of alert

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The cockroaches are out on the town, it would seem.

*smh*

55 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 9:56:19am

So another day, another mass shooting. Glad no one was killed.

56 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 9:56:59am

re:
Justanotherhuman

Shots fired at Vance County Courthouse in Henderson, NC

Hmmm. Courthouses. Seems like I’ve heard something about them lately. /

57 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 9:57:21am

re: #52 Justanotherhuman

So, she thought all those “sovereign citizen” types and the situation at Bundy ranch was “normal”?

Tired of these brain-dead reporters.

I spoke that sentence as a sum of her interview. It seemed like she was at a picnic and the boys in the military shirts were ok. Just a normal news day. Another story. Nothing new. My drift.

58 Dr. Matt  Jun 10, 2014 9:57:55am

I tweeted this [partly] in jest this morning:

Sometimes I hate being right…… :/

59 Amory Blaine  Jun 10, 2014 9:58:23am

Nutcakes? Breakfast pics? Arrgh I’m starving.

60 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 9:58:35am

As in; That is not a direct quote from her, but a summation of her tweets as I perceived them.

61 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 9:59:04am

re: #60 nines09

As in; That is not a direct quote from her, but a summation of her tweets as I perceived them.

Gotcha. But the result was: “normal”.

As in, none of these people are nutz…even with some of the views they express.

62 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 9:59:12am

re: #58 Dr. Matt

I tweeted this [partly] in jest this morning:

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Sometimes I hate being right…… :/

Instead of pro-NRA murder sprees, how about “pro-NRA freedom celebrations”?

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63 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 10:00:06am

NO. IT WILL MAKE HIM AN EVEN BIGGER DOUCHE THAN HE ALREADY IS.

64 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 10:00:28am

re: #61 Justanotherhuman

Gotcha. But the result was: “normal”.

Did her tweets reveal any concern to you? I didn’t sense that.

65 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 10:00:51am

re: #56 Bulworth

re:
Justanotherhuman

Hmmm. Courthouses. Seems like I’ve heard something about them lately. /

Doesn’t appear that “the revolution” is going too well, either by these terrorists.

66 blueraven  Jun 10, 2014 10:01:09am

re: #55 HappyWarrior

So another day, another mass shooting. Glad no one was killed.

Presser just revealed one student, plus shooter is dead.

67 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 10:01:35am

re: #64 nines09

Did her tweets reveal any concern to you? I didn’t sense that.

No, I got the impression it was the same as reporting a boy scout outing or something.

68 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 10:02:20am

re: #66 blueraven

Presser just revealed one student, plus shooter is dead.

Shit, shit, shit.

69 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 10, 2014 10:02:46am

re: #67 Justanotherhuman

No, I got the impression it was the same as reporting a boy scout outing or something.

Perhaps as a reporter for Al Jazeera her idea of normal is a middle eastern militia? ///////

70 blueraven  Jun 10, 2014 10:03:01am

re: #66 blueraven

Presser just revealed one student, plus shooter is dead.

Wait…I may have that wrong. Still listening. Maybe just the shooter.

71 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 10, 2014 10:03:15am
72 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 10:03:41am

re: #63 Pie-onist Overlord

NO. IT WILL MAKE HIM AN EVEN BIGGER DOUCHE THAN HE ALREADY IS.

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I guess he (or his handlers) think they can get the same suckers who like Sarah Palin and the Duck Dynasty twits for their “Christian values” to buy his albums and keep his career from spinning down the toilet. They might not be wrong.

73 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 10:03:50am

re: #70 blueraven

Wait…I may have that wrong. Still listening. Maybe just the shooter.

NBC News livestreaming is saying a student died.

74 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 10:03:54am

re: #67 Justanotherhuman

My point entirely. In retrospect the only thing that got her attention was he was there and she spoke with him. No concern at the time. Like this is all normal.

75 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 10:04:32am

re: #51 Mike Lamb

That’s sort of my point. These people were legitimized primarily by the GOP, but also through the media coverage of the events. Classic magical balance fairy. Yet, you have Miller, who didn’t stand out from the other Bundy ranchers in any way, start a shooting spree 2 months later.

Rather than emphasizing how completely loony, abnormal, out of touch, etc. etc. these people are, they were being treated as having some legitimate beef. As such, the undercurrent of violence/threats that was flashing like a neon sign over Bundy Ranch was muted…and now people are shocked, SHOCKED! that a shooting like this took place. It couldn’t be the natural consequence of a virulent political dogma, egged on by the GOP’s anti-gov’t rhetoric—nope, dude had to be schizo or dissociative.

Not to mention the open carry lunatics in Home Depot and a couple of restaurants in the last week or so. Perfectly normal behavior - in Somalia.

76 blueraven  Jun 10, 2014 10:04:33am

re: #73 Justanotherhuman

NBC News livestreaming is saying a student died.

Fuck, it’s true.

77 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 10:06:34am

re: #73 Justanotherhuman

NBC News livestreaming is saying a student died.

So not a mass shooting then. Just another day in the Tyrant hunting USA.

78 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 10, 2014 10:07:10am

Hey Wrench Wench? You listening? Got some questions about what to look for in a cheap bike that I can ride a couple/three miles to & from work each day.

Fairly flat terrain, trails for the most part (dirt, some gravel, some pavement) & I’ve not been on one in years but I’d like to get a bit more exercise than I have been.

Stopped at a bike shop yesterday and they were pushing an Expedition Specialize 9 speed(?) for $440 but that’s way outside my limited budget though I’d like something better than a Walfart special.

79 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 10:07:11am

Prosecutors to seek life sentence for SPU shootings

blogs.seattletimes.com

“Aaron Rey Ybarra, the Mountlake Terrace man accused of killing one student and wounding two others at Seattle Pacific University last week, will be charged today with premeditated first-degree murder, a source said this morning.

“Prosecutors plan to seek an exceptional sentence that will result in a term of life in prison, according to the source close to the investigation.

“The source said that under state law prosecutors can seek an exceptional sentence because the “offense involved a destructive and foreseeable impact on persons other than the victim.” The source indicated that the crimes impacted an entire university.

“Ybarra is also expected to be charged with other felonies as well.” More

80 Minor_L  Jun 10, 2014 10:07:34am

Just saw a tweet saying that police are looking for a man with a gun on the Tallahassee Community College campus.

81 Stanley Sea  Jun 10, 2014 10:08:06am

Damn, just don’t know what to say.

82 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 10, 2014 10:08:37am

We have a lot of people who do not recognize the government of the US as their freely and fairly elected representatives.

And we have a lot of people who see it as their armed duty to use their firearms against “tyrants”.

The outcome is predictable.

83 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 10:08:38am

re: #51 Mike Lamb

As such, the undercurrent of violence/threats that was flashing like a neon sign over Bundy Ranch was muted…and now people are shocked, SHOCKED! that a shooting like this took place. It couldn’t be the natural consequence of a virulent political dogma, egged on by the GOP’s anti-gov’t rhetoric—nope, dude had to be schizo or dissociative.

Honestly, it’s shocking to me how few of these violent acts we’ve had given that Miller’s social media rhetoric is pretty much indistinguishable from the kind of crap that Pionist Overlord posts here multiple times a day. I feel like we’re lucky that we’re not facing a low-level guerilla war right now. Maybe it’s because so many of these armchair warriors are too old and don’t want to lose gubmint benefits like social security and medicare to actually take their views to their logical conclusion…..

84 Mike Lamb  Jun 10, 2014 10:08:46am

re: #75 Skip Intro

Not to mention the open carry lunatics in Home Depot and a couple of restaurants in the last week or so. Perfectly normal behavior - in Somalia.

Precisely. No one is willing to make any comment that such behavior is not normal; that it’s not some exercise of fundamental rights; etc. I don’t know when the definition of reporting became “everyone’s argument will be treated as valid, no matter how ludicrous the argument is.” It’s not “bias” to call patently obvious bullshit, bullshit. That one side largely has a monopoly on patently obvious bullshit is a reflection of that particular side, but it shouldn’t cause a reporter to pull punches.

85 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 10:09:37am

re: #78 William Barnett-Lewis

Hey Wrench Wench? You listening? Got some questions about what to look for in a cheap bike that I can ride a couple/three miles to & from work each day.

Fairly flat terrain, trails for the most part (dirt, some gravel, some pavement) & I’ve not been on one in years but I’d like to get a bit more exercise than I have been.

Stopped at a bike shop yesterday and they were pushing an Expedition Specialize 9 speed(?) for $440 but that’s way outside my limited budget though I’d like something better than a Walfart special.

You might check Craigslist in your area for a deal. I once gave away my 10 spd (only rode it a few times) to the fire station that was collecting bikes for kids for xmas.

86 Mattand  Jun 10, 2014 10:10:14am

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s a really sick version of the scene in Animal House where Kevin Bacon is screaming “Remain calm! All is well!”

Unfortunately, instead of panicked parade goers, we have American citizens running from psychos armed to the teeth. In the Bacon role, we have the NRA and conservatives insisting these incidents are nothing to see.

Can’t have a 2nd Amendment without slaughtering innocent Americans, I guess.

87 Zamb  Jun 10, 2014 10:11:08am

re: #75 Skip Intro

Yup, normally when we see images on the news of people walking around with high powered weapons it indicates a war torn nation. Now we have a segment of the population who wants to emulate that in every city in the country. It’s not fucking normal, you don’t live in a country where you need that kind of shit and you sure as fuck don’t want to.

88 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2014 10:12:34am
89 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 10:12:49am

re: #84 Mike Lamb

Precisely. No one is willing to make any comment that such behavior is not normal; that it’s not some exercise of fundamental rights; etc.

Also, so few people are willing to say what’s blindingly obvious to me: that the 2nd amendment is a ridiculous relic of a time when you might have to keep a musket in your house, lest the redcoats (or marauding bands of Iroquois warriors) steal your cattle. And yet it’s considered something sacrosanct akin to the 1st or 4th amendments. It’s insane.

Good luck using that AR-15 against a legitimately tyrannical government that has drones, helicopter gunships, and tanks.

90 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 10:13:00am

re: #78 William Barnett-Lewis

Hey Wrench Wench? You listening? Got some questions about what to look for in a cheap bike that I can ride a couple/three miles to & from work each day.

Fairly flat terrain, trails for the most part (dirt, some gravel, some pavement) & I’ve not been on one in years but I’d like to get a bit more exercise than I have been.

Stopped at a bike shop yesterday and they were pushing an Expedition Specialize 9 speed(?) for $440 but that’s way outside my limited budget though I’d like something better than a Walfart special.

Used is the way to go on a budget. Just make sure it fits, the frame’s not bent, and everything works. Decent used mountain bikes start around $200 here. Three miles can be done on an old Varsity or any three speed, provided the gravel isn’t too difficult. Those are worth about $50.

91 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 10:14:00am

re: #66 blueraven

Presser just revealed one student, plus shooter is dead.

Shit hadnt heard. Damnit.

92 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 10:14:41am

re: #78 William Barnett-Lewis

Look at this Raleigh, for instance:

charlotte.craigslist.org

93 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 10, 2014 10:14:55am

re: #90 wrenchwench

Used is the way to go on a budget. Just make sure it fits, the frame’s not bent, and everything works. Decent used mountain bikes start around $200 here. Three miles can be done on an old Varsity or any three speed, provided the gravel isn’t too difficult. Those are worth about $50.

Thanks, I’ll look for that kind of thing then. Plus JAH’s craigslist reminder.

it was worth going to the shop just to google eye the big balloon tired monster that was in there apparently for riding in the snow O_o

94 De Kolta Chair  Jun 10, 2014 10:14:56am

As Stephen Colbert might say, I can’t see him the photos because he’s wearing camouflage.

95 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 10, 2014 10:15:43am
96 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 10:16:44am

re: #92 Justanotherhuman

Look at this Raleigh, for instance:

charlotte.craigslist.org

Good deal if you’re 6 feet tall or more!

97 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 10:17:18am

Jim Hoft’s idiot pal Andrew Marcus continues the derptastic denial:

SHOCK VIDEO: Vegas Cop Killer Ranted in YouTube Clip Like Crazed Leftist | the Gateway Pundit

98 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 10:17:26am

re: #93 William Barnett-Lewis

Thanks, I’ll look for that kind of thing then. Plus JAH’s craigslist reminder.

it was worth going to the shop just to google eye the big balloon tired monster that was in there apparently for riding in the snow O_o

People are using those for sand and trail riding too. Amazing.

99 Mattand  Jun 10, 2014 10:18:21am

re: #84 Mike Lamb

Precisely. No one is willing to make any comment that such behavior is not normal; that it’s not some exercise of fundamental rights; etc. I don’t know when the definition of reporting became “everyone’s argument will be treated as valid, no matter how ludicrous the argument is.” It’s not “bias” to call patently obvious bullshit, bullshit. That one side largely has a monopoly on patently obvious bullshit is a reflection of that particular side, but it shouldn’t cause a reporter to pull punches.

I sort got into this with the idiot who runs Open Carry TX on their initial “Stop bringing guns into restaurants” press release. He seems to be under the impression that joining his, or any other, group somehow magically inoculates you from ever having a mental problem or making a mistake.

One of these loons explicitly tied to an open carry group is going to go all San Ysidro McDonald’s in a mall one of these days. Not if, but when.

100 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 10:18:28am

re: #96 wrenchwench

Good deal if you’re 6 feet tall or more!

Hey, it’s a 26”! Mine was a 24” and at 5’ tall, I felt it was too big. : )

101 Mike Lamb  Jun 10, 2014 10:18:33am

re: #78 William Barnett-Lewis

Hey Wrench Wench? You listening? Got some questions about what to look for in a cheap bike that I can ride a couple/three miles to & from work each day.

Fairly flat terrain, trails for the most part (dirt, some gravel, some pavement) & I’ve not been on one in years but I’d like to get a bit more exercise than I have been.

Stopped at a bike shop yesterday and they were pushing an Expedition Specialize 9 speed(?) for $440 but that’s way outside my limited budget though I’d like something better than a Walfart special.

How flexible are you? What intensity of workout? More leisurely or will you be pushing yourself?

I’d probably be looking for a hybrid bike if I were in your position. Hybrids tend to resemble mountain bikes, but are less burly. They will keep you in a bit more upright position that should be more comfortable. They tend to have “flat” bars, as opposed to the hooked shape you see on a road bike. They also have wider tires than a road bike (in most instances), although not as wide as a mountain bike, for a smoother ride. Many hybrids will have a front shock and possibly a suspension seat post that will smooth out road/trail buzz as well. They are going to be on the heavier side.

In terms of what to look for in a specific bike—comfort is the no. 1 factor. The bike needs to fit you well. At the price point you are looking at, the shifting and other components are going to be pretty similar, same for frame quality. Not to mention that it doesn’t sound like you need to worry about the shifting the way you would for hard/fast paced riding. You’d probably want to at least ride some bikes at shops, even if they are outside of your price range, to get an idea of what feels good for you. If you find one that is a bit more expensive than you’d like, you can check on ebay or Craig’s list for a used version that might get you where you’d like to be price wise.

102 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 10:18:34am

This statement still gets me:

So it’s perfectly normal to see a group of armed men “guarding” an outlaw from agents trying to enforce the laws of the federal government? This is what we’ve come to now?

103 Lidane  Jun 10, 2014 10:19:55am
104 iossarian  Jun 10, 2014 10:19:59am

re: #95 NJDhockeyfan

Guns!

105 Mattand  Jun 10, 2014 10:20:05am

re: #89 Ian G.

Also, so few people are willing to say what’s blindingly obvious to me: that the 2nd amendment is a ridiculous relic of a time when you might have to keep a musket in your house, lest the redcoats (or marauding bands of Iroquois warriors) steal your cattle. And yet it’s considered something sacrosanct akin to the 1st or 4th amendments. It’s insane.

Good luck using that AR-15 against a legitimately tyrannical government that has drones, helicopter gunships, and tanks.

I’ve been saying it for a while now. It pisses off people who don’t own guns, let alone the ammo-sexuals (h/t to Bill Maher for that one.)

As practiced now, the 2nd Amendment is a suicide pact.

106 Lidane  Jun 10, 2014 10:20:53am
107 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 10:21:01am

re: #100 Justanotherhuman

Hey, it’s a 26”! Mine was a 24” and at 5’ tall, I felt it was too big. : )

That’s just the wheel size. Frame size matters more. You want to be able to straddle the top tube without incident.

108 Dr. Matt  Jun 10, 2014 10:21:02am

If anyone blasted Sen Reid for making these comments, they need to formally apologize:

APRIL 17, 2014: Harry Reid Calls Bundy Supporters ‘Domestic Terrorists’

109 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 10:21:14am

re: #89 Ian G.

Also, so few people are willing to say what’s blindingly obvious to me: that the 2nd amendment is a ridiculous relic of a time when you might have to keep a musket in your house, lest the redcoats (or marauding bands of Iroquois warriors) steal your cattle. And yet it’s considered something sacrosanct akin to the 1st or 4th amendments. It’s insane.

Good luck using that AR-15 against a legitimately tyrannical government that has drones, helicopter gunships, and tanks.

Good luck using an AR-15 against any government that’s armed with these:

Your revolution has been cancelled.

110 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 10:21:47am

re: #78 William Barnett-Lewis

Get a cheap bike. That way it won’t be stolen so quickly. New bikes should come with a sign that says “Steal ME!” and I ain’t kidding.

111 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 10:21:52am

re: #95 NJDhockeyfan

Ah, I see what the problem was.

“There was one side and another side. They got into an argument and there was only one gun, supposedly,” he said.

The NRA will be all over that fatal error. Everybody should have had guns.

112 iossarian  Jun 10, 2014 10:22:09am

re: #105 Mattand

Yeah, but something something good guys with guns.

113 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 10:23:07am

re: #97 Charles Johnson

Jim Hoft’s idiot pal Andrew Marcus continues the derptastic denial:

SHOCK VIDEO: Vegas Cop Killer Ranted in YouTube Clip Like Crazed Leftist | the Gateway Pundit

But, but. Don’t pick on the RWNJs!

114 klys  Jun 10, 2014 10:23:08am

re: #74 nines09

My point entirely. In retrospect the only thing that got her attention was he was there and she spoke with him. No concern at the time. Like this is all normal.

I think I read it somewhat differently, in that in the context of the situation, there was nothing about him specifically that raised any red flags - no instincts making her subconsciously uncomfortable, for example.

I knew someone who ended up committing a murder in college and after the news came out I definitely went back and reviewed all my interactions with him to see if there was anything that could have been a warning sign (there really wasn’t).

115 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 10:23:08am

re: #110 nines09

Get a cheap bike. That way it won’t be stolen so quickly. New bikes should come with a sign that says “Steal ME!” and I ain’t kidding.

A cheap bike and a good lock. Then use the lock. That seems to work really well. I don’t know why more people don’t try it.

116 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 10:23:14am

HURR HURR IT TEH GUN FREE ZONES!!!!!!! MOAR GUNS STOPS TEH SHOOTINGZ!!!!!!

117 kirkspencer  Jun 10, 2014 10:23:50am

re: #89 Ian G.

Also, so few people are willing to say what’s blindingly obvious to me: that the 2nd amendment is a ridiculous relic of a time when you might have to keep a musket in your house, lest the redcoats (or marauding bands of Iroquois warriors) steal your cattle. And yet it’s considered something sacrosanct akin to the 1st or 4th amendments. It’s insane.

Good luck using that AR-15 against a legitimately tyrannical government that has drones, helicopter gunships, and tanks.

There are many interpretations of what the amendment means, what with all the commas in odd spots.

I’m of the camp that reads it as:

There was a MAJOR discussion about standing armies. It’s an issue that shows up a lot in the federalist/anti-federalist discussions. The most frequent comment is that with a strong citizen militia there is no need for such a thing. There are several discussions of how it would work but at core it’s a national guard concept: citizens with well maintained weapons and ‘sufficient’ training who on need would respond, get enough extra training to knock off the rust and dust, and go. Or if haste was needed, skip the training and go.

An absolutely critical part of that was for the citizens to be able to own arms.

Now even though these days I’m pretty strongly in the gun control camp, I have to give a nod to the claim of the RWNJ who say the reason - or more accurately ONE of the reasons - for this whole militia camp was to resist government overstep. Thing is, it was not so the people could rise up against it because ‘we are our government’. No, the big deal was that removing a standing army took a major tool that gets abused away from the government. There’s this simple reality that if you’ve got a hammer you look for nails - and a lot of things that might be better served with other tools are just easier to treat as a nail. Take away the standing military (a costly thing, especially when unused) and there is far less intervention in other nations’ affairs. And, of course, less chance of an internal dictator taking over.

The second amendment, as written and I believe intended, has already been nullified by the decision to have a standing army. We are left trying to stretch and redirect it to allow for self-defense and hunting and collecting. Because it’s primary intent as another point of control on our government? That wasn’t the weapons, it was the militias. And they’re gone.

118 Mattand  Jun 10, 2014 10:23:56am

re: #102 Skip Intro

This statement still gets me:

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So it’s perfectly normal to see a group of armed men “guarding” an outlaw from agents trying to enforce the laws of the federal government? This is what we’ve come to now?

119 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 10:25:08am

re: #78 William Barnett-Lewis

Hey Wrench Wench? You listening? Got some questions about what to look for in a cheap bike that I can ride a couple/three miles to & from work each day.

Fairly flat terrain, trails for the most part (dirt, some gravel, some pavement) & I’ve not been on one in years but I’d like to get a bit more exercise than I have been.

Stopped at a bike shop yesterday and they were pushing an Expedition Specialize 9 speed(?) for $440 but that’s way outside my limited budget though I’d like something better than a Walfart special.

Get one like mine.

120 Mattand  Jun 10, 2014 10:25:11am

re: #117 kirkspencer

The second amendment, as written and I believe intended, has already been nullified by the decision to have a standing army. We are left trying to stretch and redirect it to allow for self-defense and hunting and collecting. Because it’s primary intent as another point of control on our government? That wasn’t the weapons, it was the militias. And they’re gone.

Yup. Spot on.

121 Stanley Sea  Jun 10, 2014 10:25:25am

re: #95 NJDhockeyfan

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122 Lidane  Jun 10, 2014 10:25:31am

re: #109 Dr Lizardo

That’s the part that gets me. These militia dipshits think they stand a chance against the same military that spends more than the next dozen countries COMBINED. Or that a bunch of neckbeards with AR-15s could beat the local SWAT team, much less a government with far more advanced weaponry because THREE PERCENT ZOMG.

123 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 10:26:02am

re: #116 Pie-onist Overlord

Yeah, because that armed guy in WalMart worked out so well.

Fucking idiots, every goddamn one of them.

124 klys  Jun 10, 2014 10:26:35am

re: #102 Skip Intro

This statement still gets me:

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So it’s perfectly normal to see a group of armed men “guarding” an outlaw from agents trying to enforce the laws of the federal government? This is what we’ve come to now?

Ok, maybe I missing something here, but again, I read this as she’s saying that in the context of the situation, he didn’t appear different. There were no obvious red flags from the time she spent with him saying he was going to commit murder soon.

Hell, you could read this as a suggestion that all the guys are ticking time bombs, since he was just like the others.

125 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 10:26:46am

re: #114 klys

I think I read it somewhat differently, in that in the context of the situation, there was nothing about him specifically that raised any red flags - no instincts making her subconsciously uncomfortable, for example.

I knew someone who ended up committing a murder in college and after the news came out I definitely went back and reviewed all my interactions with him to see if there was anything that could have been a warning sign (there really wasn’t).

She’s not a doctor, nor are you I presume. That is not the point. The rhetoric, the coverage and the sympathies for these nuts, and that is what they are, is the problem. That you can stand in that company and listen to that drivel and veiled threats and not have any concern is the problem. It was not a fucking picnic and now one of those boys is a (dead) fucking murderer along with his wife.

126 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 10, 2014 10:26:48am

re: #119 Dr Lizardo

Get one like mine.

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Feel free to mail it to me in Wisconsin … :whistles:

Seriously, I wouldn’t mind finding something like that. It would work and I’d get more exercise than I’m getting right now.

127 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 10:26:50am
128 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 10:27:53am
129 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 10:29:07am

re: #115 wrenchwench

A cheap bike and a good lock. Then use the lock. That seems to work really well. I don’t know why more people don’t try it.

Slows them down sometimes. There are bolt cutters which could cut bridge cables out there.

130 Jayleia  Jun 10, 2014 10:29:11am

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

And isn’t the lower one a Mk 19? Or something similar?

131 blueraven  Jun 10, 2014 10:29:23am

re: #97 Charles Johnson

Jim Hoft’s idiot pal Andrew Marcus continues the derptastic denial:

SHOCK VIDEO: Vegas Cop Killer Ranted in YouTube Clip Like Crazed Leftist | the Gateway Pundit

Right
Fema camps - check
One world Government - check
Govt will take all the GUNZ! - check
OMGTyranny - check

132 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 10, 2014 10:30:07am

re: #68 Justanotherhuman

Shit, shit, shit.

This has gotten so far out of hand I don’t even know how to react.

133 Mike Lamb  Jun 10, 2014 10:30:10am

re: #122 Lidane

That’s the part that gets me. These militia dipshits think they stand a chance against the same military that spends more than the next dozen countries COMBINED. Or that a bunch of neckbeards with AR-15s could beat the local SWAT team, much less a government with far more advanced weaponry because THREE PERCENT ZOMG.

They truly believe that they are simply the spokespeople for a silent majority, which includes large swathes of the armed forces—that when the revolution does happen, most of servicemen and women will switch sides.

134 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 10:30:13am

re: #129 nines09

Slows them down sometimes. There are bolt cutters which could cut bridge cables out there.

I forgot part B: park next to a good-looking unlocked bike.

135 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 10:30:31am

Koch Brothers are Against Wind Power! Wonder why.

136 klys  Jun 10, 2014 10:30:33am

re: #125 nines09

She’s not a doctor, nor are you I presume. That is not the point. The rhetoric, the coverage and the sympathies for these nuts, and that is what they are, is the problem. That you can stand in that company and listen to that drivel and veiled threats and not have any concern is the problem. It was not a fucking picnic and now one of those boys is a (dead) fucking murderer along with his wife.

So you’re mad at her for being a reporter on the ground? Pretty much?

Like, I’m really not getting the vitriol here that’s being directed her way. She was trying to provide some context and her impressions of him, from reporting she did on the ground at the time. If anything this is a useful thing because it shows people how similar he is to all the other assholes they know who are spouting off about revolution and guns from their cold dead hands.

137 Mattand  Jun 10, 2014 10:31:04am

re: #124 klys

Ok, maybe I missing something here, but again, I read this as she’s saying that in the context of the situation, he didn’t appear different. There were no obvious red flags from the time she spent with him saying he was going to commit murder soon.

Hell, you could read this as a suggestion that all the guys are ticking time bombs, since he was just like the others.

That’s how I read it. Those stupid mothefuckers were ready to open fire on federal officials, supposedly using women and children as shields, because crazy Uncle Cliven didn’t want to pay his taxes.

IMO, you make a statement you’re willing to murder someone trying to enforce the law, you’ve lost your Rational Human card. As far as I’m concerned, everyone of those Bundy mouth breathers is a potential spree killer.

138 kirkspencer  Jun 10, 2014 10:31:15am

re: #115 wrenchwench

A cheap bike and a good lock. Then use the lock. That seems to work really well. I don’t know why more people don’t try it.

er, get a good lock and cable and use it correctly.

My daughter goes to Georgia Tech so I know the problem’s there but I don’t doubt it’s all over. Basically, people buying the thinnest cables they can get the cable snipped by a small wire snipper. And then there’s the people who secure their bikes by running the cable through the front tire who come out to find the front tire still secured, but the rest of the bike’s been taken away.

If they /really want/ your bike, it’s gone. But you can keep the casual thieves away.

139 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 10:31:31am

re: #124 klys

Nope, no red flags at all. No sir.

140 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 10:31:32am

re: #134 wrenchwench

I forgot part B: park next to a good-looking unlocked bike.

Rule #1. Park your POS bike next to finest bikes you can locate.

141 Lidane  Jun 10, 2014 10:32:05am
142 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 10:32:08am

FUCKING TOOL

143 Mike Lamb  Jun 10, 2014 10:32:14am

re: #136 klys

So you’re mad at her for being a reporter on the ground? Pretty much?

Like, I’m really not getting the vitriol here that’s being directed her way. She was trying to provide some context and her impressions of him, from reporting she did on the ground at the time. If anything this is a useful thing because it shows people how similar he is to all the other assholes they know who are spouting off about revolution and guns from their cold dead hands.

The point is that she treated everything as if it were normal. She shouldn’t have. It’s not a reasonable point of view and it should be highlighted as such.

144 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 10, 2014 10:32:27am

re: #109 Dr Lizardo

Good luck using an AR-15 against any government that’s armed with these:

Your revolution has been cancelled.

Actually…you can wage very succesful insurgencies against folks with nukes. Who the hell wants to blow up their own cities and infrastructure?

Also, we already found out over the past 13 years that idiots with AK-47s can still make life pretty damned hellish for everyone else in Iraq and Afghanstan.

145 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 10:32:32am

re: #126 William Barnett-Lewis

Feel free to mail it to me in Wisconsin … :whistles:

Seriously, I wouldn’t mind finding something like that. It would work and I’d get more exercise than I’m getting right now.

Heh.

I paid about $50 for it; it needed some work - I had to rebuild the rear axle which was frozen - but it’s fun. Single speed with coaster brakes and that old-school stempelbremse up front. I had to order a front-brake pad out of Germany, as no one carries them around here. I took it to a local bike shop, and the guy asked me why I was riding a museum piece.

:D

146 Mattand  Jun 10, 2014 10:33:13am

re: #136 klys

So you’re mad at her for being a reporter on the ground? Pretty much?

Like, I’m really not getting the vitriol here that’s being directed her way. She was trying to provide some context and her impressions of him, from reporting she did on the ground at the time. If anything this is a useful thing because it shows people how similar he is to all the other assholes they know who are spouting off about revolution and guns from their cold dead hands.

You’re right, it’s not Chan’s fault. Maybe it’s because she’s trying to be objective. For me personally, just once I want to hear a reporter like her acknowledge how fucked up that situation was.

147 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 10, 2014 10:33:54am
148 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2014 10:35:13am
149 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 10, 2014 10:35:27am

re: #130 Jayleia

And isn’t the lower one a Mk 19? Or something similar?

Yep.

I can’t get too excited. The National Guard used to do similar things when I was young at the regional state fair. I can remember sitting in a jeep and playing pretend with a M40 recoilless rifle that was mounted on it. The moving seats on the Ferris Wheel were fun to try and track with the hand wheels ;) ISTR being about 10 at the time (early 70’s).

150 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 10:35:29am

re: #147 NJDhockeyfan

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The way I heard it, she shot him, then she shot herself, then he shot himself. So they each killed their own self, in the end.

151 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 10:36:15am

TCOT keep spamming the meme that “unemployed vets” should be given JRRBS as armed school security. Throw in some PTSD what could possible go wrong?

152 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 10:37:02am

Ben GFY

153 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 10:37:30am

re: #151 Pie-onist Overlord

TCOT keep spamming the meme that “unemployed vets” should be given JRRBS as armed school security. Throw in some PTSD what could possible go wrong?

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At minimum wage, of course, or even less if we take George Will’s advice.

154 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 10:38:26am

re: #136 klys

The media has been covering these jackals for fucking years. The right wing has been jacking up these jackals for years. The NRA has defended these jackals for years. So Cliven Bundy gets some jackals with guns to support his welfare habit and they show pictures of his armed supporters with BLM agents in their sights and open threats of violence and =everything is ok? Now concern? This is the chickens coming home to roost. She reported on jackals and didn’t even smell them. Just another day at the park? She was at an armed standoff. No concern. happens every day and we condone it by not condemning it.

155 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 10:38:52am

re: #144 Aunty Entity Dragon

Actually…you can wage very succesful insurgencies against folks with nukes. Who the hell wants to blow up their own cities and infrastructure?

Also, we already found out over the past 13 years that idiots with AK-47s can still make life pretty damned hellish for everyone else in Iraq and Afghanstan.

Those are good points, unfortunately.

It’s a delicate matter, these armed wingnuts. On the one hand, if you simply go with the “Palpatine Doctrine” - Wipe them out. All of them. - well, you’re just going to make martyrs out of morons. On the other hand, if you let them have a seat at the political table, they poison the national dialogue with their extremism.

There has to be some kind of way to politically marginalize them without setting them off down the path of violent confrontation.

156 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 10, 2014 10:39:01am

re: #145 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

I paid about $50 for it; it needed some work - I had to rebuild the rear axle which was frozen - but it’s fun. Single speed with coaster brakes and that old-school stempelbremse up front. I had to order a front-brake pad out of Germany, as no one carries them around here. I took it to a local bike shop, and the guy asked me why I was riding a museum piece.

:D

Heh.

There was a shop in Madison that carried “Swiss Army Bikes”. I always wished I could afford one …

157 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 10, 2014 10:39:05am

nbcnews.com

Bunch of idiots in the California legislature. But I suspect they’re well paid ones.

I love the energy industry spokesman saying ‘We don’t use much compared to the other uses!” when it’s obvious to most that fracking water is essentially not reusable without a lot of processing whereas agricultural water use for irrigation pretty much goes right into the water table and gets reused. (A bit like the multiplier effect of spending money.)

158 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 10:39:11am

re: #147 NJDhockeyfan

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She was more like a death ray to 4 people.

159 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 10:39:47am

BBL

160 iossarian  Jun 10, 2014 10:40:23am

re: #152 Pie-onist Overlord

Ben GFY

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Reagan put the mentally ill out on the streets. Seriously, Republicans, fuck off.

161 kirkspencer  Jun 10, 2014 10:40:35am

re: #144 Aunty Entity Dragon

Actually…you can wage very succesful insurgencies against folks with nukes. Who the hell wants to blow up their own cities and infrastructure?

Also, we already found out over the past 13 years that idiots with AK-47s can still make life pretty damned hellish for everyone else in Iraq and Afghanstan.

The big deal with insurgencies is they need cover.

It used to be, and probably still is, mandatory for counter-insurgency folk to read some books from several wars back because they’re still valid. Because of our circumstances I’d really recommend two in particular: Mao’s “On Guerrilla Warfare” and Thompson’s “Defeating Communist Insurgency”. If you’re only going to read one read the second - Thompson WON, and he notes some geopolitical requirements for doing it his way that specifically apply here in the US.

162 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 10, 2014 10:41:39am

re: #156 William Barnett-Lewis

Where does the 4’ long rip saw fold out of?
;)

163 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 10:41:41am

But, but. Chicago.

164 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 10:41:49am

re: #156 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh.

There was a shop in Madison that carried “Swiss Army Bikes”. I always wished I could afford one …

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Sweet. I would love one of those.

165 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 10:41:52am
166 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 10, 2014 10:43:01am

re: #130 Jayleia

And isn’t the lower one a Mk 19? Or something similar?

I think so. Not sure though.

167 Jayleia  Jun 10, 2014 10:43:20am

re: #149 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, when I was a kid I memorized all the C.B Colby books about the army and the air force…got to visit some military bases here. But looking back, I was a budding “ammosexual”, but with no access to weapons…and I was not the person that should have had access to guns.

Looking back, I can see how things might have made some wrong turns into bad crazy if I’d had access to things.

But at the same time…I see a Mk 19…and that inner War Nerd wants to get in line to play with it.

168 Mattand  Jun 10, 2014 10:45:03am

re: #163 Gus

But, but. Chicago.

LOL, I can feel a poorly-punctuated defense of the “Chicago IS TOO a murder hole!” meme from an LGF regular coming on.

Replete with cherry-picked gun stats.

169 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 10:46:05am

re: #152 Pie-onist Overlord

Ben GFY

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What on earth does “normalizing nuclear family” mean? I mean, it’s not like these mass shootings are because these people were raised by single mothers on welfare. Cripes on a popsicle stick.

170 iossarian  Jun 10, 2014 10:46:40am

re: #169 Ian G.

What on earth does “normalizing nuclear family” mean? I mean, it’s not like these mass shootings are because these people were raised by single mothers on welfare. Cripes on a popsicle stick.

Beatings will continue until regurgitation of talking points improves.

171 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 10, 2014 10:46:46am

re: #163 Gus

But, but. Chicago.

If Grumpzilla eye-beamed The Bean, what sort of effect would it have?

For those who don’t know the reference:
en.wikipedia.org

172 iossarian  Jun 10, 2014 10:47:43am

I wonder why Ben Shapiro doesn’t add “emphasis on Christian family values” to his list of gun disaster prevention bromides.

173 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 10, 2014 10:47:57am

re: #169 Ian G.

What on earth does “normalizing nuclear family” mean? I mean, it’s not like these mass shootings are because these people were raised by single mothers on welfare. Cripes on a popsicle stick.

The key is that *everything* but guns must be blamed first.

174 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 10:48:16am

I want to know WHO WORKS 70 HOURS A WEEK unless it’s someone who WORKS 2 JOBS and still has to take welfare b/c they still can’t make ends meet.

175 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 10:48:16am

re: #128 Gus

Can someone put together a handy spreadsheet of all of the mass shootings that occurred today so I can keep track of them easier? Thanks.

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176 lawhawk  Jun 10, 2014 10:48:17am
177 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 10, 2014 10:48:47am

re: #161 kirkspencer

The big deal with insurgencies is they need cover.

It used to be, and probably still is, mandatory for counter-insurgency folk to read some books from several wars back because they’re still valid. Because of our circumstances I’d really recommend two in particular: Mao’s “On Guerrilla Warfare” and Thompson’s “Defeating Communist Insurgency”. If you’re only going to read one read the second - Thompson WON, and he notes some geopolitical requirements for doing it his way that specifically apply here in the US.

The classic is David Galula’s Counter Insurgency: Theory and Practice. Galula was a French officer during the Algerian uprising and his book was a major influence on Patreus when he revamped our COIN doctrine.

178 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 10:49:19am
179 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 10:49:19am

Good grief, I have to spend at least part of the day doing work; the shootings are happening faster than I can keep up with.

180 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 10:49:21am

re: #160 iossarian

Reagan put the mentally ill out on the streets. Seriously, Republicans, fuck off.

Luckily for Ben, Breitbart chose to hire a lot of them.

181 iossarian  Jun 10, 2014 10:49:22am

re: #174 Pie-onist Overlord

Always appreciate the people working super hard and not making much money blaming their situation on people worse off than they are.

182 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 10:49:42am

re: #174 Pie-onist Overlord

I want to know WHO WORKS 70 HOURS A WEEK unless it’s someone who WORKS 2 JOBS and still has to take welfare b/c they still can’t make ends meet.

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Investment Bankers making a cool $2 million a year at age 30 work hours like that. Obviously, they can’t afford what people in on welfare in the trailer parks in rural WV can afford.

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183 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 10, 2014 10:49:51am

re: #173 Feline Fearless Leader

The key is that *everything* but guns must be blamed first.

Should I point out that the millers were a traditional nuclear family when they went on their shooting spree?

184 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 10, 2014 10:49:55am

re: #161 kirkspencer

The big deal with insurgencies is they need cover.

It used to be, and probably still is, mandatory for counter-insurgency folk to read some books from several wars back because they’re still valid. Because of our circumstances I’d really recommend two in particular: Mao’s “On Guerrilla Warfare” and Thompson’s “Defeating Communist Insurgency”. If you’re only going to read one read the second - Thompson WON, and he notes some geopolitical requirements for doing it his way that specifically apply here in the US.

The other thing they need is supply. In most nations, that’s exterior supply (think HCM Trail) but the US is big enough that it might be possible for an insurgency in a one region to be supplied by supporters in another.

185 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 10:49:59am

re: #156 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh.

There was a shop in Madison that carried “Swiss Army Bikes”. I always wished I could afford one …

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Well, if you’re anywhere near Madison now…

madison.craigslist.org

186 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 10, 2014 10:50:14am

Wait a minute. Shooting in Oregon. In Troutdale? Just asking questions.
/

187 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 10, 2014 10:51:26am

re: #169 Ian G.

What on earth does “normalizing nuclear family” mean? I mean, it’s not like these mass shootings are because these people were raised by single mothers on welfare. Cripes on a popsicle stick.

Blame the gay mafia. Rod Dreher does it all the time.

188 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2014 10:51:27am

re: #183 Aunty Entity Dragon

Should I point out that the millers were a traditional nuclear family when they went on their shooting spree?

And Mrs. Miller worked at Hobby Lobby!!!

189 kirkspencer  Jun 10, 2014 10:53:02am

re: #161 kirkspencer

Expanding, because I got sidetracked and didn’t connect all that coherently.

Insurgencies need cover. They need, as Mao (sort of) said, “A sea in which to swim, to be indistinguishable from the other fish of the sea.” That is, goo help us, the 27% plus maybe a little more.

But - and it’s a big but - if you can isolate the fish from their sea, it becomes (sorry, can’t resist) shooting fish in a barrel.

If the insurgents push it far enough, don’t be surprised to see things that are already available pushed up the notch to work to isolate these people. It’ll hit us all, though, and it’ll suck hard against other things I hold dear.

Example: all that NSA stuff everyone is crying about? Think about it with the ‘war and unrest’ clauses invoked.

Example: ok, you all want good IDs for citizenship? One national ID coming up - with RFID. Which, because of the insurgency, becomes an internal passport.

Example: Another ‘war and unrest’ clause allows tracking all those firearms after all. And vendors who can’t show solid paperwork (depending on source estimated between 5% and 25% of the whole) are not only done but their records get seized for sales to possible illegal recipients.

Thank you, RWNJ’s. You have successfully destroyed the nation I loved regardless who comes out on top. Pardon me while I make sure you aren’t the ones on top.

190 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 10, 2014 10:54:20am

re: #174 Pie-onist Overlord

I want to know WHO WORKS 70 HOURS A WEEK unless it’s someone who WORKS 2 JOBS and still has to take welfare b/c they still can’t make ends meet.

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I’m working full time, minimum wage and I get medical assistance & snap. I’m still not going to have enough money for all my bills at the end of the month. My life & renters insurance are probably going to be history soon.

191 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 10:54:35am

re: #182 Ian G.

Investment Bankers making a cool $2 million a year at age 30 work hours like that. Obviously, they can’t afford what people in on welfare in the trailer parks in rural WV can afford.

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Want to make some really Big Bucks? Get yourself appointed to the Facebook Board of Directors.

Mark Zuckerberg and other members of Facebook’s board have been sued by a shareholder who claimed a policy letting them annually award directors more than $150 million of stock each if they choose is unreasonably generous.

In a complaint filed on Friday night in Delaware Chancery Court, Ernesto Espinoza said the board was “essentially free to grant itself whatever amount of compensation it chooses” under the social media company’s 2012 equity incentive plan, which also covers employees, officers and consultants.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Top that, you burger-flipping parasites.

192 allegro  Jun 10, 2014 10:54:55am

A week or so ago I told the story about the fuck noodle here in the RV park where I live going on a middle of the night drunken shooting spree. One bullet penetrated a rig and whizzed past a woman’s head as she slept in her bed. This guy has a Gadsden flag, second amendment sign, and violent anti-liberal bumper stickers on his truck.

The management told the guy he had to go. He wouldn’t. They filed eviction papers that are apparently still in process. I haven’t seen any evidence yet that the guy is making any effort to depart.

So Sunday evening, my friend and I were out walking our dogs as we do every night and we hear gunshots. We stepped up the pace and got back to our respective homes as quickly as we could. Talked to the manager Monday morning - it was the same fucking guy! She said he had 48 hours to get out of here.

Eviction is great, get the asshole away from here so we can have our safe community back. But why hasn’t he been arrested? How is it that his guns haven’t been confiscated? Apparently the laws don’t allow that… or something because police have definitely been here. This guy is going to kill someone. He damn near did already.

I am so over this goddamned insanity.

193 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 10, 2014 10:55:26am

re: #184 William Barnett-Lewis

The other thing they need is supply. In most nations, that’s exterior supply (think HCM Trail) but the US is big enough that it might be possible for an insurgency in a one region to be supplied by supporters in another.

The overwhelming prevalence of law enforcement and ability to shut down money supplies would be a big problem for an insurgency here. Islamic fundys have peer to peer informal financial networks that rely on family relationships and are nigh impenetrable to outsiders. That does not exist here in the US…and just about everybody has to have an atm card to function unless you really do go off the grid in Idaho.

194 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 10:56:29am

re: #192 allegro

Gadsden flag?

195 kirkspencer  Jun 10, 2014 10:56:52am

re: #177 Aunty Entity Dragon

The classic is David Galula’s Counter Insurgency: Theory and Practice. Galula was a French officer during the Algerian uprising and his book was a major influence on Patreus when he revamped our COIN doctrine.

Yes. And there are dozens more. But I thought Thompson’s more readable than Galula’s. Plus Galula had some reliance on things now known to be counter to success - like torture and threats to families of known insurgents. Lots of good stuff but some minefields for those reading casually.

196 Amory Blaine  Jun 10, 2014 10:56:59am

re: #149 William Barnett-Lewis

vulturespace.org
bikecollective.org

Some low cost options in the milwaukee area.

197 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 10, 2014 10:57:19am

re: #185 Justanotherhuman

Well, if you’re anywhere near Madison now…

madison.craigslist.org

Alas, no, up in the northwoods. I’ll check craigs list after I get paid on Friday (last check from McD’s, first from AmericInn)

198 Stanley Sea  Jun 10, 2014 10:57:47am

re: #175 Ian G.

Can someone put together a handy spreadsheet of all of the mass shootings that occurred today so I can keep track of them easier? Thanks.

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199 danarchy  Jun 10, 2014 10:58:48am

re: #174 Pie-onist Overlord

I want to know WHO WORKS 70 HOURS A WEEK unless it’s someone who WORKS 2 JOBS and still has to take welfare b/c they still can’t make ends meet.

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Anyone who works at a startup. I did it for 2 years in the late 90’s before I burnt out. Never did get the buyout that was supposed to make us all rich ;)

200 allegro  Jun 10, 2014 10:59:54am

re: #194 Gus

Gadsden flag?

LOL yes. Fucking autocorrect. Thanks.

201 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 10, 2014 11:00:20am

re: #192 allegro

What state are you in? I believe that would have been a felony here in Wisconsin - arrest & confiscation immediately. After conviction, he’d be gone for a year or two at Club Prison and then would be a “prohibited person” who is not allowed to possess firearms after that.

202 allegro  Jun 10, 2014 11:04:05am

re: #201 William Barnett-Lewis

What state are you in? I believe that would have been a felony here in Wisconsin - arrest & confiscation immediately. After conviction, he’d be gone for a year or two at Club Prison and then would be a “prohibited person” who is not allowed to possess firearms after that.

Guess.
….
….
Texas.

203 Single-handed sailor  Jun 10, 2014 11:19:51am

re: #175 Ian G.

Can someone put together a handy spreadsheet of all of the mass shootings that occurred today so I can keep track of them easier? Thanks.

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Mass Shooting Tracker

204 KerFuFFler  Jun 10, 2014 11:25:24am

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

There has to be some kind of way to politically marginalize them without setting them off down the path of violent confrontation.

Re-educate them in FEMA camps.//

205 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 10, 2014 11:25:51am

re: #174 Pie-onist Overlord

I want to know WHO WORKS 70 HOURS A WEEK unless it’s someone who WORKS 2 JOBS and still has to take welfare b/c they still can’t make ends meet.

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Also: If it doesn’t currently come from rich people, why fight against trying to make it come much more from rich people?

206 Eventual Carrion  Jun 10, 2014 11:27:49am

re: #134 wrenchwench

I forgot part B: park next to a good-looking unlocked bike.

One hunter says to the other hunter as they are running from a lion, “Do you think we can outrun this lion?”

The other hunter replies, “I only have to outrun you.”

207 KerFuFFler  Jun 10, 2014 11:47:57am

re: #174 Pie-onist Overlord

I want to know WHO WORKS 70 HOURS A WEEK unless it’s someone who WORKS 2 JOBS and still has to take welfare b/c they still can’t make ends meet.

Students getting PHD’s in lab sciences work ridiculously long hours——-my son was routinely working at least that much for years (and finally just earned his degree in chemistry——- YAY!) I recognize that this is a bit off point, but I just wanted to stick up for doctoral students who are really getting shafted since labor laws don’t exactly apply to their “student status”. Sure, they end up with a degree, but they also get paid less than minimum wage if you take into account their obscene work schedules. Typically they also get no protection from occasional predatory profs who work them like slaves and then kick them out of their lab after four years labor. And let’s not forget that their work is highly skilled and quite often dangerous!

Not sure what the precise answer should be, maybe more grad student unions, but the system is rife with abuse.

208 Khal Wimpo  Jun 10, 2014 1:23:59pm

re: #16 Ian G.

When I hear this kind of derp, in the past, I have tried to walk them through the process: so, we are going to need to hire a full-time guard with full-on assault rifle to stand around all day, pretty much doing nothing. And we’ll need one for each and every entrance to the school, or the shooters will sneak past them.

Ballpark it: average of 20 entrance/exits per school of 400 (to comply with fire codes), assume each guard can cover max 5 entrances (generous, I know), you’re going to need at least 4 guards. Full pay and benefits, plus pension, say $150K/yr, plus equipment, uniforms and security cams/metal detectors and training, add another 50K. Multiply that times the 132,000 K-12 schools, and we get $105.6 billion/year extra. The schools will also need to be retrofitted with bulletproof glass on all the windows and doors, so the shooter can’t just blast his way in (as in Sandy Hook). At about $1.2 million per school that comes to an additional $158BN to be amortized over the next 30 years. Over the next ten years that additional $1.2 TRILLION (which is probably a low-end estimate) would require a massive tax hike.

All for the privilege of having our children go to school in an environment that closely resembles a brutal Stalinist gulag.

Kind of gives the lie to the “it’s all about freedom!” slogan. Imprisonment is not freedom.

I proposed that since all these extra expenditures are necessary because of the RWNJ’s insistence on providing assault rifles to anyone who wants them … that gun owners should have to pay the additional surcharge for everyone else if they want to enjoy their toys.

Which works out to about $398,000 for each assault rifle owner over the next 10 years (using Pew research stats, which are admittedly suspect).

They tend to start spluttering, saying things like since the rest of society benefits from the “protection” they provide via their ownership of assault rifles, we should all subsidize their mania. I point out that this is akin to forcing everyone to buy health care.

That really fries their CPUs, and they tend to start cursing and waving their hands a lot.

209 klys  Jun 10, 2014 2:42:53pm

re: #208 Khal Wimpo

I like the way you think.

210 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 3:08:51pm

See anybody you recognize?

Nevada Oath Keepers.

meetup.com


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