Gateway Pundit Doubles Down on Derp: Vegas Terrorist “Ranted Like Crazed Leftist”

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Today at the site the Dumbest Man on the Internet built, Jim Hoft’s idiot pal Andrew Marcus is doubling down on the derp with yet another hilarious attempt to deny Jerad Miller was a wingnut with views very similar to theirs: SHOCK VIDEO: Vegas Cop Killer Ranted in YouTube Clip Like Crazed Leftist | the Gateway Pundit.

DERP

Videos are surfacing of one of the terrorist Las Vegas shooters.

Dressed in Joker face, Jerad Miller rails against “incarcerating innocent Americans and holding them indefinitely.”

Despite attempts on the left to paint these terrorists as conservatives, the truth is they would’ve blended right in at a Code Pink rally.

They were so radical, they were BOOTED from the Cliven Bundy protest camp.

In the video, Miller rants about FEMA camps, the government taking away his guns, his dread of the “One World Government,” and his fear that Obama is instituting tyranny.

Sure, that sounds exactly like a “crazed leftist.”

Here’s a photo of this “crazed leftist” at the Bundy Ranch:

I’d make fun of this some more, but it really is self-mocking. These morons have entered a realm beyond parody.

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1 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 10:52:02am

If Miller is a leftist, there is no such thing as the right.

2 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 10:52:28am

Right. A Leftist.

3 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 10:52:44am

Booted from the Bundy camp.

Why was he there in the 1st place again?

4 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 10:52:58am

He would have blended right in at a Code Pink rally.

Would have, could have.

It just so happens he did, not “would have, could have”, blend right in at an armed Clive Bundy anti-BLM rally.

5 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 10, 2014 10:53:28am

re: #2 Gus

Right. A Leftist.

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Just look at him! Damned hippie!

6 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 10:53:41am
7 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2014 10:54:05am
8 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 10:55:25am

re:
#3
b.d.

He wanted to spread his Code Pink revolutionary rhetoric. He didn’t have anything to do with Code Pink. But he could have, would have fit right in. Confirmed. FACT.

9 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 10:56:16am

THERE ARE A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE PEOPLE WHO HANG WITH THE TEA PARTIERS THAT ARE REALLY LEFT WING PLANTS, WE’LL TELL YOU WHO THEY ARE AS WARRANTED

10 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 10:56:25am
11 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 10:56:34am

WTFITS

KENNEWICK, Wash. — The father of one of the cop killers in Las Vegas told KIRO 7 on Monday that two months ago his son “kinda set me up for knowing something was going to happen.”

Tod Miller called his son, Jerad Miller, “very strong-hearted on things.” “When he believes in something he goes all out for it.”

Tod Miller said his son had supported President Barack Obama’s election, then became disillusioned with what he considered “big government.” In the conversation this spring, Miller said his son told him “when it happens make sure everybody knows that I am a patriot and a revolutionary and I fight for the Second Amendment, fighting against tyranny.” Miller said his son became concerned the federal government would repeal the Second Amendment, and would approach police officers to ask them what they would do if they were ordered to confiscate weapons.

I just can’t even.

12 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 10:56:50am

re: #2 Gus

Right. A Leftist.

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I think I saw Noam Chomsky guarding the Bundy Ranch with his AR-15 while handing out copies of his books.

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13 Jayleia  Jun 10, 2014 10:56:53am

Is there a way for me to find out who liked comments?

14 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 10:57:38am

Wingnuts spamming KIRO7 everywhere forever.

15 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 10:58:10am

re: #13 Jayleia

Click on the number.

16 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 10, 2014 10:58:57am

I suggest that No True Scotsman be known as No True Wingnut from here out.

17 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 10, 2014 10:59:40am

Hoft and his fellow idiots are desperately cobbling up another fig leaf their bigoted base can use to hide its real agenda.
The only facts they and the rest of the right really care about: Obama is still black, there is still a minimum wage, OSHA and similar agencies are still in business.

18 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 10:59:52am

re:
#14
Pie-onist Overlord

Shooter and wife were also members of notorious voter fraud group, ACORN. Became disallusioned with society after ACORN collapsed, although ACORN lives and is still frauding elections and disenfranchizing law-abiding, tax-paying voters. /

19 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 10:59:53am

IS HE A FALSE FLAG OR A LEFT WINGER?! I CAN’T KEEP UP AND MY AM RADIO IS BROKEN!

20 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 10, 2014 11:00:02am

re: #12 Ian G.

I think I saw Noam Chomsky guarding the Bundy Ranch with his AR-15 while handing out copies of his books.

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I was going to make a snide comment at the site, but they have already banned me from yesterday.

21 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2014 11:00:33am
22 kirkspencer  Jun 10, 2014 11:00:33am

re: #11 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

I just can’t even.

I’m calling bs on part of his claim. Miller’s facebook page was full of “I didn’t vote for Obama” comments.

23 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 11:01:28am

Fox News: We now know that the shooter and his wife were never at the Bundy Ranch but instead embraced well known Leftist causes like marijuana.

24 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 11:03:01am

[x] 1,000,000 right-wing lunatic words.
[x] 1 possible left-wing incident.

He’s a leftist.

Republican math.

//Karl Rove

25 kirkspencer  Jun 10, 2014 11:03:23am

re: #23 Bulworth

Fox News: We now know that the shooter and his wife were never at the Bundy Ranch but instead embraced well known Leftist causes like marijuana.

The pictures of him there are obvious photoshops. Just check the kerning.

26 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 10, 2014 11:03:54am

Off to do errands. bbl.

27 Stanley Sea  Jun 10, 2014 11:04:35am
28 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 10, 2014 11:05:46am

re: #3 b.d.

Booted from the Bundy camp.

Why was he there in the 1st place again?

I think they booted him for saying out loud what they all think…

29 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 10, 2014 11:05:54am

Troutdale police confirm shooter and 1 student were killed at the high school

Fox 13

30 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 11:06:02am

re: #24 Gus

[x] 1,000,000 right-wing lunatic words.
[x] 1 possible left-wing incident.

He’s a leftist.

Republican math.

//Karl Rove

I also don’t get the “incarcerating innocent Americans” thing as being “leftist”. Are Hoft and his minionsfor indefinite detention of innocent Americans? Because that would violate the parts of the Constitution that the right has no use for (i.e. everything but the 2nd amendment).

31 Mattand  Jun 10, 2014 11:06:08am

re: #25 kirkspencer

The pictures of him there are obvious photoshops. Just check the kerning.

I real life LOL’d at that one.

32 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 11:06:56am

Wait! Jim Hoft has competition!

33 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 11:07:14am

Vegas shooters may have loved Ron and Rand Paul, might have “liked” all these tea party and anti-government groups, and might have “liked” all these pro-gun groups, but they ranted like crazed leftists so they were in fact, Leftists.

34 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 10, 2014 11:08:00am

Well, the media are warmed up for the afternoon and evening mass shootings. I wonder where they’ll be?

35 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 11:08:09am

re: #27 Stanley Sea

Actually, I’m not sure we’re better than this. If we were better than this, the lives of innocent people would count more than do the fever dreams of a few lunatics who want to keep themselves armed to the teeth just to protect against the New World Order’s attempts to put them into FEMA death camps and implement Agenda 21.

36 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 11:08:45am

Fox News: The fact is, the Vegas shooters weren’t even armed.

37 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 11:09:22am

Recall the idiots holding up signs about 2nd amendment solutions.

38 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2014 11:10:08am
39 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 11:11:11am

re: #22 kirkspencer

I’m calling bs on part of his claim. Miller’s facebook page was full of “I didn’t vote for Obama” comments.

Like father like son would be truer.

40 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 11:12:11am
41 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 11:15:17am

re: #37 jaunte

American culture glorifies gun ownership while legitimizing the idea that guns are a means of conflict resolution.

And there’s the problem right there.

American culture believes that force - or the threat of force - is an acceptable method of settling disputes. It is an idea deeply ingrained in American culture and constantly reinforced in our popular media; from the late 19th Century dime-books about Jesse James or Billy the Kid, down the present day.

Gotta problem?
Kill ‘em.
Problem solved.

And until that thinking changes, there’s going to be more shooting sprees, more violence, more fear, more paranoia.

42 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 11:16:15am

Here, let the Freepers explain things to you.

freedumb2003 wrote:These yahoos were NOT right-leaning at all. They were Nazi-wannabees (German Socialist party).
I don’t think you can point to a single “right wing” violence episode in the last… well, forever (mcveigh was a ultra-lefty).

DB wrote:Nazis are socialists.
KKK are Democrats on steroids. The KKK was born as the militant arm of the Democrat party.
Simply facts. Inconvenient facts for this moron “journalist”.

5th MEB wrote:Hey Waldman, you stupid ass!
White Supremacists = American Nazis.
NAZI= National SOCIALIST Workers Party.
Got that Dumb Ass?
So next time try looking at extreme LEFT WING nut cases.

I hope that clears things up.

Oh, you’d like a link?

OK.

freerepublic.com

43 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 11:17:06am

Press doesn’t seem interested in demonizing this guy as a stooge of the NRA’s radical agenda
Cost of Bravery: Vegas Bystander Died Trying to Stop Rampage

44 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 11:17:35am

re: #41 Dr Lizardo

It’s true, and the western movie scenario is so ingrained that people don’t stop and think about what happens after a body hits the ground.
There’s a whole new set of problems, and you can’t escape by riding off into the sunset.

45 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 11:17:43am

Despite attempts on the left to paint these terrorists as conservatives, just because all their FB “likes” were wingnut pages and just because they loved and waved guns around and wanted to overthrow the government like we want to overthrow the government the truth is they would’ve blended right in at a Code Pink rally if they ever thought about going to a Code Pink rally, which we have no evidence to suggest they did.

46 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 11:18:30am

re: #37 jaunte

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Recall the idiots holding up signs about 2nd amendment solutions.

Kind of helps Europe that the crazy, criminal, rebel Swiss/Germans/Poles/Irish/French/Etc wound up here, some transported on prison ships. Then they had a couple hundred years to hone their skills on the natives, blacks, and each other.

47 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2014 11:18:53am
48 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 11:19:44am

re:
#42
Skip Intro

McVeigh was a ultra-lefty

I got nothin..

49 Amory Blaine  Jun 10, 2014 11:20:19am

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel

Just look at him! Damned hippie!

I can smell the patchouli from here!!

50 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 11:20:55am

If we only had some way of knowing what the Las Vegas shooters thought, which political leaders, causes and groups they liked. If only we had some way….

51 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 11:21:03am

52 Jayleia  Jun 10, 2014 11:21:20am

re: #45 Bulworth

Of course they’d blend in at a Code Pink rally…because camo

53 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 11:21:31am
54 allegro  Jun 10, 2014 11:21:33am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Press doesn’t seem interested in demonizing this guy as a stooge of the NRA’s radical agenda
Cost of Bravery: Vegas Bystander Died Trying to Stop Rampage

I certainly wouldn’t want to see the guy demonized but he was certainly victimized by the NRA et al propaganda and gun culture.

55 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2014 11:22:44am
56 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 11:22:59am

re: #44 jaunte

It’s true, and the western movie scenario is so ingrained that people don’t stop and think about what happens after a body hits the ground.
There’s a whole new set of problems, and you can’t escape by riding off into the sunset.

The Dead Kennedys said it far better than I ever will in the their song, “Rambozo the Clown”, from their 1986 album Bedtime For Democracy;

Got a deadly toy
To brainwash your boy

An egocentric muscle thug
Kicks butt on the screen like a brat outa hell
Bullshitter in the Indochina shop
Pull the string in his back, we win the war

That we never should have started at all

A cabbage patch terrorist to call our own
Who rewrites history with a machine gun
Don’t think about it-KILL IT
That’s what we teach your child

RAMBOZO
RAMBOZO
RAMBOZO the Clown

To draft-age kids
It sure looks like fun-
“Kill ‘em all
And let God sort ‘em out.”
Like video games
No mess -
Just fuel for a mass lapse of common sense
You can be Don Quixote
We’ll dice you with our windmill blades

Brawn over brain
Means a happy ending
G.I. Joe in the cereal bowl
Grey shrapnel-flavored chewing gum
Mass murder ain’t just painless
Now we’ve made it cute

RAMBOZO
RAMBOZO
RAMBOZO the Clown

War is sexy
War is fun
Iron Ego
Red Dawn
Be a wolverine. You’ll rule the hills
Just get some guns and Cheerios
Any kid can conquer Libya
Just steal a fighter plane!

Look who came home in a wheelchair
V.A. Hospital, they don’t care
“We’re the machine
You’re just a tool.”
Who fell for the myth of Rambozo the Clown

57 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 11:23:18am
Jerad Miller was eager to support Bundy, who was confronted by federal officials after years of refusing to pay grazing fees. On April 9, he wrote on Facebook:

I will be supporting Clive Bundy and his family from Federal Government slaughter. This is the next Waco! His ranch is under seige right now! The federal gov is stealing his cattle! Arresting his family and beating on them! We must do something. I will be doing something.

motherjones.com

Just like Code Pink!

58 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 11:23:31am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Hey. Trolls gotta eat. I run a damn troll rescue mission/soup kitchen.

59 Zamb  Jun 10, 2014 11:23:39am

re: #41 Dr Lizardo

I can’t even count the number of insane escalations from verbal disagreement to physical threats/shoving/punching I witnessed from jackasses in college. It seems we are supposed to live in a world where the larger of the two in any dispute is supposed to be correct, fuck I’ve actually heard the argument that people wouldn’t say things to a guy bigger than them, as if it actually has any bearing on whatever issue is at hand.

60 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 11:24:16am

Yep. Nothing to see here. AMIRITE?

61 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 10, 2014 11:24:36am
62 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 11:24:36am

Somebody should invent something where people could post things, could indicate which political leaders, causes, etc, they “liked”, who they voted for, or intended to vote for, that everyone could see, that could be revealed in public, that would give the world a sense of what this person liked, was into. Somebody should definitely invent something like that. I’d call it, I don’t know, maybe something like Facebook.

63 Minor_L  Jun 10, 2014 11:25:33am

re: #30 Ian G.

I don’t know, the right seems to love putting people in prison and keeping them there. Greenwald and his ilk often rant about “indefinite detention” (re Gitmo), so maybe it’s an anti-Obama, pro-libertarian thing. Either that or he was referring to FEMA camps.

64 RadicalModerate  Jun 10, 2014 11:26:12am

re: #1 Ian G.

If Miller is a leftist, there is no such thing as the right.

It’s a John Birch Society and neo-Confederate mentality.

Non-whites? Leftists.
Women who aren’t subservient to their every whim? Leftists.
“the JOOOOs”? Leftists.
Nazis (never mind the fact that they agree with almost everything that the Third Reich stood for) - LEFTISTS!

So, why wouldn’t they label someone who was completely ideologically in line with their own beliefs, who frequented their gatherings, and just so happened to act on the very things that these “patriots” were advocating on a daily basis as some sort of Marxist?

65 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 11:27:05am
66 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 11:27:12am

HURR HURR!!!!

67 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 11:27:33am

re:
#57
Jaunte:

I will be supporting Clive Bundy and his family from Federal Government slaughter. This is the next Waco! His ranch is under seige right now! The federal gov is stealing his cattle! Arresting his family and beating on them! We must do something. I will be doing something.

“Well, what else do you expect a crazed leftist who would have blended right in at a Code Pink rally, if he had ever heard of Code Pink, to say?”

68 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 11:27:42am

re: #64 RadicalModerate

So, why wouldn’t they label someone who was completely ideologically in line with their own beliefs, who frequented their gatherings, and just so happened to act on the very things that these “patriots” were advocating on a daily basis as some sort of Marxist?

Well, look what happened. He was obviously mentally ill!!!

69 Amory Blaine  Jun 10, 2014 11:28:07am

The RWNJ can blame “lefties” all they want, the shootings will continue with or without their delusions.

70 Zamb  Jun 10, 2014 11:28:12am

re: #63 Minor_L

The prison reform issue seems to me to be a liberal/young person issue. The older right want all those people locked up while the younger thinks “hey I smoke pot, I don’t want to go to jail”

71 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 11:28:28am

re: #54 allegro

I certainly wouldn’t want to see the guy demonized but he was certainly victimized by the NRA et al propaganda and gun culture.

The guy tried and unfortunately failed. I see him as a victim of the people who shot him and I’ll leave it at that.

72 Minor_L  Jun 10, 2014 11:28:47am

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

I like how they just throw in the “and they were too radical” part. Has anyone said that, or are they just adding/changing facts to fit their narrative?

73 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 11:29:00am

re: #57 jaunte

We must do something. I will be doing something.

I understand the urge to do something (although Miller had the urge to do the wrong things.) I don’t understand why the urge to do something is so often combined with suicide.

74 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 11:29:21am

re:
#61
Feline Fearless Leader

Kittehs!

75 Minor_L  Jun 10, 2014 11:29:59am

re: #70 Zamb

Prison form seems to be a left issue to me, especially because of how tied it is to racism. It’s a pretty big stretch with regard to Miller, though.

76 allegro  Jun 10, 2014 11:31:24am

re: #69 Amory Blaine

The RWNJ can blame “lefties” all they want, the shootings will continue with or without their delusions.

Like evolution and climate change. Not real hopeful.

77 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 10, 2014 11:31:27am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Press doesn’t seem interested in demonizing this guy as a stooge of the NRA’s radical agenda
Cost of Bravery: Vegas Bystander Died Trying to Stop Rampage

You’ll get another oak leaf cluster on your Passive Aggressive Medal for that one, Killgore. You brave, brave contrarian.

78 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 11:32:10am
79 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 11:32:16am

re: #73 wrenchwench

I understand the urge to do something (although Miller had the urge to do the wrong things.) I don’t understand why the urge to do something is so often combined with suicide.

They don’t want to be taken alive; if some wingnut is convinced that President Obama is nothing less than the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler, or Mao, or Pol Pot or whatever, they have no intention of being incarcerated in a “re-education camp” or tortured by “Obama’s Gestapo”.

It’s like that old line…..”Save the last bullet for yourself.” Death with honor.

80 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 11:32:18am

re: #73 wrenchwench

I understand the urge to do something (although Miller had the urge to do the wrong things.) I don’t understand why the urge to do something is so often combined with suicide.

I guess some personalities can’t settle for partial measures.

81 iossarian  Jun 10, 2014 11:32:35am

re: #71 Killgore Trout

The guy tried and unfortunately failed. I see him as a victim of the people who shot him and I’ll leave it at that.

Yup, because broad societal trends have no bearing on individual outcomes whatsoever.

82 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 11:33:10am

re: #75 Minor_L

Prison form seems to be a left issue to me, especially because of how tied it is to racism. It’s a pretty big stretch with regard to Miller, though.

Miller simply didn’t want to obey the law. That’s the “sovereign citizen” mindset.

83 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 11:34:25am

re:
#78
Pie-onist Overlord

Hurr Durr journalist is Aljazeera Muslim hippy hates Ameria!!!!11

84 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 11:34:33am

re: #81 iossarian

Yup, because broad societal trends have no bearing on individual outcomes whatsoever.

That’s why I don’t support radical movements that are likely to inspire domestic terrorists.

85 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 11:34:48am

re: #79 Dr Lizardo

They don’t want to be taken alive; if some wingnut is convinced that President Obama is nothing less than the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler, or Mao, or Pol Pot or whatever, they have no intention of being incarcerated in a “re-education camp” or tortured by “Obama’s Gestapo”.

It’s like that old line…..”Save the last bullet for yourself.”

re: #80 jaunte

I guess some personalities can’t settle for partial measures.

Seems like a lack of dedication to the cause, unless one believes that one’s death will have more meaning to the cause than one’s life. So difficult to analyze the results, though, once you’re dead.

86 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 11:35:30am

re: #41 Dr Lizardo

And there’s the problem right there.

American culture believes that force - or the threat of force - is an acceptable method of settling disputes. It is an idea deeply ingrained in American culture and constantly reinforced in our popular media; from the late 19th Century dime-books about Jesse James or Billy the Kid, down the present day.

Gotta problem?
Kill ‘em.
Problem solved.

And until that thinking changes, there’s going to be more shooting sprees, more violence, more fear, more paranoia.

Honestly, though, I think the culture is changing. Fewer people are gun owners, and crime is way down pretty much everywhere from its peak a generation ago. It’s just going to take a while for the transformation to be complete, and you can bet that the usual suspects who are freaked out over the country becoming less white and less Christian are freaked out about this too, so they’ll just up the ante. There will be fewer gun owners, but those who do own guns will be more likely to be lunatics stockpiling assault weapons in their compounds to “protect” white, Christian America.

87 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 11:35:57am

I BELIEVE IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE CLIVE BUNDY AFFAIR WAS A NONPARTISAN SITUATION

88 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 11:36:05am

re: #85 wrenchwench

I think they realize they aren’t going to make the change they want, and they can’t stand that reality.

89 iossarian  Jun 10, 2014 11:36:20am

re: #84 Killgore Trout

That’s why I don’t support radical movements that are likely to inspire domestic terrorists.

Oh, you mean like the civil rights movement and its heinous use of economic boycotts as a means of nonviolent resistance?

90 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 11:36:49am

re: #78 Pie-onist Overlord

He and his wife were booted, it showed in the Bundy/Threeper forums several weeks ago. Vanderboegh, Threeper Asshole #1, is pulling out the discussions while posting how law-abiding True Threepers are.

91 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 11:37:01am

Nothing to see here. Just another white male who had mental problems. No politics involved and the Bundy stand-off had nothing to do with it.
— NBC News

Coming up next. An interview with Edward Snowden and how the NSA is worse than Hitler.

//

92 lawhawk  Jun 10, 2014 11:37:36am

re: #78 Pie-onist Overlord

He was allows to stick around, until he wasn’t. They didn’t exactly do a background check on the folks who came out to support the thief Bundy, who was stealing from the federal government and trespassing on federal land because he refused to pay the grazing fees that most ranchers will pay without any issue.

Heck, Bundy didn’t have a problem paying until the feds changed the grazing fee calculation way back when, but suddenly decided it would be a sovereign citizen issue, and that the feds arent’ allowed to own federal lands.

So, Bundy put the call out to like minded individuals and this nut shows up with his guns and ammo. Oh, he looked all sensible in those photos/images at the Bundy ranch (we’d just have to ignore that they were out there in the first place playing militia with all manner of guns and ammo to protect a thief and trespasser - that all of them are extremists, and extremists that members of the GOP and right wing echo chamber were highlighting as being symbols of government trampling on individual rights).

93 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 10, 2014 11:37:40am

re: #81 iossarian

Please don’t feed the Troll.

94 Kragar  Jun 10, 2014 11:37:47am

Man, I am really getting tired of all those damn liberal at TCOT talking about FEMA Camps and calling Obama a tyrant.

95 A Mom Anon  Jun 10, 2014 11:38:07am

I’m kinda glad I’m here alone this afternoon with my animals because I keep crying.

I honestly believe in my heart (and you may go ahead and call me a nut or a bleeding heart liberal or whatever) that ALL of these incidents should have been a wake up call and they just keep happening because we aren’t waking the fuck up. I’m really not sure someone opening fire in the nation’s Capitol Building would even have an effect at this point. I just don’t think there’s any way to penetrate the notion that a gun is damned close to being a religious symbol right now.

This didn’t happen overnight. It’s been a long and ugly slog to get here. Now we’re to the place where there are firmly entrenched interests and their nasty little “helpers” (on the internets, the radio, the TV and in Congress as well as state and local governments) that prevent mere discussions of how to fix the problems. Heaven forbid you’d try to actually DO something, you get death threats and intimidated out of even trying. Why is that do you think?

It may not seem connected, but the lack of financial/job security in this country is a big factor. It throws people into a panic and makes them easy prey for those who want us fighting among ourselves over stupid shit. We have a lot of people in our society that don’t feel like they belong anywhere, when you have that, people who might not otherwise fall prey to crazy shit are ripe for the picking. So they form these little insane posses with a gang mentality, that becomes the family they don’t have. I used to know a cop who worked on a gang task force. He told me once that the way to break up these gangs and get kids out of them is to find something better, something with hope and promise, like jobs, education, stable housing, good mentors and foster parents. The lack of those things made his job harder, and he said a lot of the time the cops would focus on one kid, or maybe one family (or what was left of the family) and try to help them outside of their work on keeping gang wars from erupting. One life at a time was the best they could hope for, and he said there were days where that concept was so fucking depressing it made it hard to go to work. He’s dead now, he died in the line of duty.

We need to stop thinking the answer to everything is a gun. I don’t know how you unravel a culture where people think it’s really no big deal to set your baby in front of a giant assed machine gun like it’s a Fisher Price Farm Set. It’s not. It’s a machine designed to kill people. Like your guns, collect them even, but maybe no one should own weapons like that outside of Law Enforcement or Military, they aren’t Hummel figurines FFS. A gun is a machine designed to kill, that’s what it’s for, and it seems like a lot of people want to dance around that and not deal with it. Sure, you can kill people with a freaking rock or a bread knife, but guns make it simple, make it easy to do from a distance and make it a whole lot faster to end a life in less than a second. Do we really need that? Really? I don’t understand this at all, I really fucking don’t. And it’s breaking my heart and making me really sad today. I just can’t even anymore.

96 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 11:38:19am

re: #88 jaunte

I think they realize they aren’t going to make the change they want, and they can’t stand that reality.

Weenies.

There’s my one word condemnation for suicides who don’t go solo.

97 lawhawk  Jun 10, 2014 11:38:37am

re: #94 Kragar

Obama. Worst. Tyrant. Ever.

He can’t even get the FEMA camp trains to run on time. They’re all stuck at the VA getting appointments.

98 iossarian  Jun 10, 2014 11:38:39am

re: #84 Killgore Trout

That’s why I don’t support radical movements that are likely to inspire domestic terrorists.

By the way, I can’t decide whether this is in fact a non-sequitur, or actually a contradiction of your previous observation that you can’t blame a movement for the actions of an individual.

99 RadicalModerate  Jun 10, 2014 11:39:21am

re: #69 Amory Blaine

The RWNJ can blame “lefties” all they want, the shootings will continue with or without their delusions.

If they thought that they could somehow turn it into a net positive for their cause, these same people would be calling the Millers full-blown patriots.

After all, they lauded individuals like Anders Breivik, Scott Roeder, George Zimmerman, and Eric Rudolph as heroes.

100 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 10, 2014 11:39:36am

re: #85 wrenchwench

Seems like a lack of dedication to the cause, unless one believes that one’s death will have more meaning to the cause than one’s life. So difficult to analyze the results, though, once you’re dead.

How much of it is living the life of quiet desperation, having dreams (however unrealistic) squashed, grasping for any explanation for why success has not been found, and then deciding to go out “making a splash” in some way. Which unfortunately seems to be by killing a bunch of innocents in a spree.

If you drop off the attempt to grab attention by violence it’s essentially starts sounding like a standard suicide, isn’t it? (Oversimplification.)

101 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 10, 2014 11:39:41am

Why are the rwnjs stockpiling guns and ammunition to “resist tyranny,” and preaching “second amendment solutions” then running over each other to disavow anyone who acts on those positions?

“Not one of us” is laughably transparent, they can’t believe it themselves and they aren’t even trying to convince anyone else. It is simply a disruptive space filler and the clearest proof yet of their insincerity. They are really about racism and perpetuating economic injustice, and nothing else.

102 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 11:40:21am

re: #86 Ian G.

Honestly, though, I think the culture is changing. Fewer people are gun owners, and crime is way down pretty much everywhere from its peak a generation ago. It’s just going to take a while for the transformation to be complete, and you can bet that the usual suspects who are freaked out over the country becoming less white and less Christian are freaked out about this too, so they’ll just up the ante. There will be fewer gun owners, but those who do own guns will be more likely to be lunatics stockpiling assault weapons in their compounds to “protect” white, Christian America.

I can definitely see the most hardcore retreating into their compounds to “protect” white Christian America. If you look at the white-nationalist right, that idea is gaining currency quite rapidly. The notion of retreating into whites-only enclaves, heavily armed, all the while waiting for the collapse of American civilization at the hands of “mongrel hordes” is something I predict is going to be a big business in the not-too-distant future as the US changes demographically and culturally.

103 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 11:40:55am

re: #92 lawhawk

He was allows to stick around, until he wasn’t. They didn’t exactly do a background check on the folks who came out to support the thief Bundy, who was stealing from the federal government and trespassing on federal land because he refused to pay the grazing fees that most ranchers will pay without any issue.

Heck, Bundy didn’t have a problem paying until the feds changed the grazing fee calculation way back when, but suddenly decided it would be a sovereign citizen issue, and that the feds arent’ allowed to own federal lands.

So, Bundy put the call out to like minded individuals and this nut shows up with his guns and ammo. Oh, he looked all sensible in those photos/images at the Bundy ranch (we’d just have to ignore that they were out there in the first place playing militia with all manner of guns and ammo to protect a thief and trespasser - that all of them are extremists, and extremists that members of the GOP and right wing echo chamber were highlighting as being symbols of government trampling on individual rights).

The breaking point for the Threepers/Oathkeepers/Militia ‘internal security’ types was his avowed felon status, while standing there with an AK. They decided they didn’t want that baggage around their necks (just yet).

104 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 11:41:34am

re: #95 A Mom Anon

{{{A Mom Anon}}}

Don’t cry. Just keep typing those rants. They are very articulate without being stripped of emotion.

105 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 11:41:55am
106 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 10, 2014 11:42:25am

re: #103 Decatur Deb

The breaking point for the Threepers/Oathkeepers/Militia ‘internal security’ types was his avowed felon status, while standing there with an AK. They decided they didn’t want that baggage around their necks (just yet).

Good point since by even holding a rifle as a prohibited person he was committing felony worth up to 10 years at Club Fed.

107 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 11:42:46am
108 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 11:43:18am

re: #98 iossarian

By the way, I can’t decide whether this is in fact a non-sequitur, or actually a contradiction of your previous observation that you can’t blame a movement for the actions of an individual.

I think we’d both agree that political/social movements share at least some of the responsibility for the radicals in their midst but the amount of responsibility varies in a case by case basis. In this case he does seem heavily influenced by far right/libertarian/militia culture. It doesn’t surprise me when these movements spawn terrorists.

109 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 11:43:32am

re:
#87
b.d.

Well, the Tea Party is a non-bi-partisan group, disgusted with both parties equally, you know, just hates government, hates affirmative action, hates any kind of social insurance except for the kind they get, hates government regulation of business, hates the progressive income tax, hates any kind of government intervention in the economy except for the kind they benefit from. Like most fair-minded, objective folks, they don’t think too many people should vote, and they would very much like to have an Operation American Spring to overthrow by force of arms the dually-elected government we presently have under the Constitution. //

110 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 11:43:34am

re: #107 Charles Johnson

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It seems nice.

111 lawhawk  Jun 10, 2014 11:43:48am

re: #107 Charles Johnson

Oh, can you feel the love.

Had he been reported, law enforcement might have taken actions, which could have prevented this particular mass shooting.

112 Varek Raith  Jun 10, 2014 11:44:05am

re: #107 Charles Johnson

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Uh…
Charming.

113 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 11:44:07am

re: #107 Charles Johnson

That was the kind of reasoned, articulate response I’ve come to expect from Alex Jones fans.

114 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 11:44:50am

I think this is pretty telling.

Melissa Chan @melissakchan * 14h

And at least in mid-April, Bundy family members welcomed Miller enough to cook him breakfast the day we were there. Not sure about later.

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Melissa Chan @melissakchan * 14h

On report Bundy Ranch had kicked Miller out: most militia members not on ranch property but around road leading up to the place, anyway.

And, how were Miller’s views really any different from Bundy’s? Or was it just the fact that Miller was an ex-con thief and pot dealer and they just didn’t trust him not to steal anything or bring down the law for pot?

115 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 11:45:06am
116 Amory Blaine  Jun 10, 2014 11:45:06am

Also I see claims of Miller being asked to leave the Bundy ranch but no fucking proof. I see proof that he was a part oft
Their loonacy however.
Arrgh I hate tapatap on this tablet!,,,

117 Kragar  Jun 10, 2014 11:45:18am

re: #113 Ian G.

That was the kind of reasoned, articulate response I’ve come to expect from Alex Jones fans.

118 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 11:45:20am

Weirdo deleted the first tweet, then reposted exactly the same thing.

119 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 11:45:26am

re: #107 Charles Johnson

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Yeah, that hate rant is tipjar-worthy. I’m betting Melissa Chan’s mailbox is starting to reek about now.

120 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 11:45:46am

re: #107 Charles Johnson

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Deleted. Save screenshot?

121 Varek Raith  Jun 10, 2014 11:46:01am

Always amuses me.
Youtube Video

122 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2014 11:46:41am

I’m still searching…

123 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 11:47:03am

re: #107 Charles Johnson

Jayme is a full on anti-fluoride, chemtrails, Bilderberg-conspiracy nutburger.

124 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 11:47:49am

re: #107 Charles Johnson

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Ah, the usual eloquent witticisms from the Alex Jones brigade. Obviously, they’ve been reading their Wilde or Shaw; they often tossed out a riposte along the lines of go fuck yourself.

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125 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 11:48:10am

re: #116 Amory Blaine

Also I see claims of Miller being asked to leave the Bundy ranch but no fucking proof. I see proof that he was a part oft
Their loonacy however.
Arrgh I hate tapatap on this tablet!,,,

As I said above, the traffic about booting a felon and his wife was on the nutcase forums several weeks ago. It was the start of the split between the Oathkeepers and militias that surfaced after the ‘drone’ boondoggle.

126 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 11:48:16am

127 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2014 11:48:46am

re: #107 Charles Johnson

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128 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 11:48:50am

re:
#107
Charles Johnson

OK, so we’ve heard from the kind, reasonable, god-fearing, Patriotic American who loves America segment of Alex Jones’ audience. //

129 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 11:48:50am

re: #118 Charles Johnson

Weirdo deleted the first tweet, then reposted exactly the same thing.

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Perhaps he corrected a spelling error.

130 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 11:49:08am

“For your punishment, you must listen to Alex Jones rant on video.”

131 Mike Lamb  Jun 10, 2014 11:49:11am

A) Him being asked to leave (allegedly—and certainly not immediately) does not change the fact that he was drawn to the sovereign citizen ideology that permeated Bundy’s BS.

B) I’ve yet to see where someone said that Miller was booted (allegedly) for being too radical. The story was always that he had a record, and that someone involved had an iota of common sense that being involved with felons would not be helpful.

C) The GOP’s pathological need to paint every shooter/domestic terrorist as a lefty is entirely irrelevant. I’ll stipulate to it for the sake of argument. What is relevant is not the political stripes of the bad actor, but the political stripes of the people that are trying to prevent future mass shootings/domestic terror events.

D) Having said point C, fuck these guys for trying to wash their hands of the monster they helped create.

132 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 11:50:03am

re: #105 Charles Johnson

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The NSA is so useless.
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133 aagcobb  Jun 10, 2014 11:50:05am

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m still searching…

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middle of the right hand margin.

134 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 11:50:19am
135 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 11:50:31am
136 Varek Raith  Jun 10, 2014 11:51:19am

re: #133 aagcobb

middle of the right hand margin.

!
It’s so obvious now…
Heh.

137 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 11:52:18am

re: #131 Mike Lamb

A) Him being asked to leave (allegedly—and certainly not immediately) does not change the fact that he was drawn to the sovereign citizen ideology that permeated Bundy’s BS.

B) I’ve yet to see where someone said that Miller was booted (allegedly) for being too radical. The story was always that he had a record, and that someone involved had an iota of common sense that being involved with felons would not be helpful.

C) The GOP’s pathological need to paint every shooter/domestic terrorist as a lefty is entirely irrelevant. I’ll stipulate to it for the sake of argument. What is relevant is not the political stripes of the bad actor, but the political stripes of the people that are trying to prevent future mass shootings/domestic terror events.

D) Having said point C, fuck these guys for trying to wash their hands of the monster they helped create.

From what I gather the reason the Millers were kicked out was because Jerad was a felon, and at least someone there had the common sense to recognize that having a convicted felon walking around with an assault rifle is the worst kind of PR imaginable.

138 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 11:52:24am

That’s a real winner you got there Charles:

139 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2014 11:52:40am

re: #133 aagcobb

middle of the right hand margin.

Yep, just found it.
Found a squirrel or some sort of rodent, as well. Upper right border.

140 Amory Blaine  Jun 10, 2014 11:52:41am

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks like the dude on the lef4 has on3 on his back. Hard to tell on this shitty tabl3t.

142 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 11:54:01am
143 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 11:54:07am

re: #137 Dr Lizardo

From what I gather the reason the Millers were kicked out was because Jerad was a felon, and at least someone there had the common sense to recognize that having a convicted felon walking around with an assault rifle is the worst kind of PR imaginable.

Agreed but I’d also add that just because they had the common sense to get rid of him it was still a movement based on radicalism and made up of assholes. Just mostly assholes without felony convictions.

144 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 11:54:30am

re: #138 b.d.

That’s a real winner you got there Charles:

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Brigadier General Jack D. Ripper Alex Jones explains it all.

145 J A P  Jun 10, 2014 11:54:43am

re: #37 jaunte

I did a quick little search to see if there was a correlation between the rate of gun ownership in the society and gun violence. I can’t vouch for the quality of this page but according to the the graph on it, Switzerland is not even an outlier.

Violence and Video Games Part 9: The Statistics/Conclusion (I picked this page for the graphs.)

However, that’s just covers the question of gun ownership. The gun culture in Switzerland is entirely different. The gun advocates here would not like Switzerland’s laws. I would be perfectly happy to have everyone wanting a gun in the U.S. to join a government run militia for a year and undergo proper training. Also, the Swiss are really fond of target shooting, you know, a sport. I have no concerns about people who are interested in sports like this. I worry about the people who want guns for personal protection and want to carry them all over the place.

Regarding Swiss laws on carrying, from Wikipedia:

To carry a loaded firearm in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a Waffentragbewilligung (gun carrying permit), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.

There’s a permit necessary to buy a gun. People with a criminal record or a psychiatric history cannot get a permit. Records must be kept of private transfers. The sale of automatic firearms is not permitted. Ammunition sales are registered.

If we’re going to have a gun culture, then let’s have a real gun “culture.” Let’s train people how to use them. Let’s give them a course in safety. Maybe, along with sex ed, we could have gun ed in school and teach actual facts about how guns are dangerous, not something gleaned from movies and advertisements.

But the gun advocates don’t like laws like the Swiss have.

In any case, there’s still one big problem.

Switzerland: Guns kept at home frequently used to kill partners
76% of the homicide-suicide cases in Switzerland involve the use of firearms, very often a gun kept at home by Swiss army reservists, according to a new study by the University Institute of Forensic Medicine of Lausanne (Switzerland). (source)

Most people who advocate for greater regulation of guns in the U.S. would be reasonably happy with Switzerland’s laws.

146 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 11:54:44am

It’s like taking a vacation to a far away land and never leaving your chair:

147 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 11:54:59am

No amount of house cleaning would absolve the Bundy Ranch crowd from being dickheads.

148 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 11:55:34am

re: #137 Dr Lizardo

Yup. And the decision wasn’t unanimous. An Oathkeeper (of sorts) from New Hampshire named Jerry Delamus seemed to have the call as the Bundy ‘security liaison’.

149 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 11:56:45am

Lalalalalalalala, convergence achieved.

150 Kragar  Jun 10, 2014 11:57:32am
151 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 11:58:06am

While TCOT is waiting for their talking points, they are dialing the Hillary Derangement to Eleventy.

152 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 11:58:25am

re: #150 Kragar

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It would be irresponsible not to ask.

153 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 11:59:57am

There are very few labels that have the impact of “white supremacist.” The term is a silver bullet that instantly relegates someone to the cultural fringe and eliminates any bit of sympathy that might otherwise be granted to him or her. Put simply, you call somebody a white supremacist, you’ve basically made that person an irredeemable monster in the eyes of most of society. Maybe this is why it was such an easy thing to say about Jerad and Amanda Miller in the immediate aftermath of their shooting spree in Las Vegas on Sunday. They were obviously a couple of white-trash dead-enders bent on starting some kind of revolution, ergo the most obvious sticker to slap on them — the quickest way to entirely dismiss the belief system that was at the core of their deadly attack — was to call them “white supremacists.” So that’s what most press outlets called them…

Told you so.

154 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 12:00:55pm

re: #153 Gus

“They shouldn’t simply be called anti-government extremists because their beliefs weren’t the least bit extreme when you take into account that many of them came from someone who has millions of followers online and has made millions in a scheme that peddles paranoia for profit, while many more were legitimized by the most-watched cable news organization in America.”
thedailybanter.com

155 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 12:02:04pm
156 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 12:02:24pm

re:
#151
Pie-onist Overlord

Hillary Benghazi gets to publish a book and make $$$$ but what about 4 heroes in Benghazi Hillary abandoned and gave STAND DOWN order while she plaid golf???!?!?!

157 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 12:02:24pm

re: #360 Gus

I honestly they’re going to blow all of this off by just calling them white supremacists.

158 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 10, 2014 12:03:39pm

Bad bad bad…terrorists are still making progress in Iraq…

159 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 12:04:21pm

re: #145 J A P

Heck, even look at the gun laws in the Czech Republic.

en.wikipedia.org

They are quite liberal compared to much of Europe, but even there, it’s far more restrictive than in the US.

160 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 10, 2014 12:04:31pm

re: #158 NJDhockeyfan

They’re not terrorists, they’re an outright insurgent military.

161 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 12:04:40pm

re: #157 Gus

So to recap.

I honestly think they’re going to blow all of this off by just calling them white supremacists.

162 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 12:05:43pm

re: #153 Gus

Actually, I saw one of the police spokesmen use the term “white supremacist” in one of the press conferences. I don’t think the media originated it, but they definitely did seize on it.

Also immediately started with the usual “mental illness” wharrgarbl.

163 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 12:07:18pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

Actually, I saw one of the police spokesmen use the term “white supremacist” in one of the press conferences. I don’t think the media originated it, but they definitely did seize on it.

Also immediately started with the usual “mental illness” wharrgarbl.

Re-write then.

I honestly think they’re going to blow all of this off by just calling treating them as white supremacists people.

164 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 10, 2014 12:08:02pm

re: #159 Dr Lizardo

Heck, even look at the gun laws in the Czech Republic.

en.wikipedia.org

They are quite liberal compared to much of Europe, but even there, it’s far more restrictive than in the US.

As a liberal gun owner & hunter, I don’t see anything wrong with the Czech Republics laws as listed there.

165 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 12:08:07pm

I’ve seen a few reports that the Millers had racist views, but nothing specific.

166 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 12:09:16pm

At the moment, the Freep front page has no mention of Las Vegas.

167 De Kolta Chair  Jun 10, 2014 12:09:18pm

Naturally, my pointing out in the comments section of that Gateway Pundit page that I don’t recall seeing any lefties hanging around the Bundy ranch was deleted, and it appears I’ve been banned, at least on that thread. Tells me everything I need to know about how much that site values open debate.

168 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2014 12:09:20pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

I’ve seen a few reports that the Millers had racist views, but nothing specific.

Someone here posted a screenshot of one of Jerad’s posts that was pretty much racist.

169 J A P  Jun 10, 2014 12:09:22pm

re: #46 Decatur Deb

Sounds like Australia or Canada. What’s the difference between the U.S. and those two other countries? Gun laws, maybe?

170 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 12:09:46pm
171 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 12:11:09pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

I’ve seen a few reports that the Millers had racist views, but nothing specific.

I’d have to check back, but the interview with the woman’s father posted last night used the term ‘white supremacy’.

littlegreenfootballs.com

172 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 12:11:29pm

re: #169 J A P

Sounds like Australia or Canada. What’s the difference between the U.S. and those two other countries? Gun laws, maybe?

Slavery.

173 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 12:13:33pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

I’d have to check back, but the interview with the woman’s father posted last night used the term ‘white supremacy’.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Actually, no - that article was referring to the statements from authorities: Indiana Dad of Las Vegas Shooter: ‘I Begged Her Not to Marry Him’

Authorities are still looking for a motive, but believed the pair shared an ideology with “militia and white supremacists,” including the belief that law enforcement was the “oppressor.”

174 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 10, 2014 12:13:55pm

re: #160 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

They’re not terrorists, they’re an outright insurgent military.

They are carrying an al-Qaeda flag. They are terrorists.

175 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 12:15:38pm

re: #164 William Barnett-Lewis

As a liberal gun owner & hunter, I don’t see anything wrong with the Czech Republics laws as listed there.

As a center-left gun owner (and permanent resident) I have no problems with the gun laws here. The Wikipedia article notes that Breivik attempted to buy firearms here in the Czech Republic prior to the Utoya Massacre. No one here - even in the criminal underworld - would sell weapons to him because they thought he was a fucking nut.

That speaks volumes.

176 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 12:17:01pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

Actually, no - that article was referring to the statements from authorities: Indiana Dad of Las Vegas Shooter: ‘I Begged Her Not to Marry Him’

You’re right. They buried their descriptive comment among the father’s statements. He emphasized ‘patriot’ movement stuff.

177 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 12:18:44pm

re:
#170
Charles Johnson

Those sound like nice people on a very nice Internets forum….

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178 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 10, 2014 12:20:10pm

re: #174 NJDhockeyfan

They are carrying an al-Qaeda flag. They are terrorists.

Um, they’re actually conquering territory. That’s not something terrorists do. That’s something militaries do.

Do you think calling them a ‘military’ is somehow, like, uplifting them? The Nazis also had a military.

179 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 12:21:12pm

WTFITS

180 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 10, 2014 12:22:22pm

re: #179 Pie-onist Overlord

I’ll take “Who’s Way Past His Prime” for $1,000, Alex.

181 Kragar  Jun 10, 2014 12:23:00pm
182 darthstar  Jun 10, 2014 12:23:07pm

This needs to get a shitload of attention:

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 10, 2014 12:23:30pm

re: #160 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

They’re not terrorists, they’re an outright insurgent military.

Now, you listen here: ‘e’s not the Messiah, ‘e’s a very naughty boy! Now, go away!
//

184 CuriousLurker  Jun 10, 2014 12:24:06pm

re: #174 NJDhockeyfan

They are carrying an al-Qaeda flag. They are terrorists.

It’s not an AQ flag, it’s a Jihadi flag. AQ split with them back mid-February. Furthermore, Islamist, Jihadist, insurgent, and terrorist aren’t synonymous, interchangeable terms, regardless of how you may feel about them personally.

Al-Qaeda disavows any ties with radical Islamist ISIS group in Syria, Iraq

BEIRUT — Al-Qaeda formally dissociated itself from its onetime affiliate in Iraq and Syria on Monday, culminating months of feuding and exposing the dwindling influence of the group’s leadership over an emerging new generation of radicals.

The repudiation of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria came after the failure of repeated efforts
by al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri to heal a dispute between ISIS and the officially anointed al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra that has erupted in fighting in parts of rebel-held northern Syria.

ISIS “is not a branch of the al-Qaeda group . . . does not have an organizational relationship with it and [al-Qaeda] is not the group responsible for their actions,” al-Qaeda’s General Command said in a statement, marking the first time the leadership has formally repudiated an affiliate.

The rejection means that al-Qaeda no longer has representation in Iraq, where ISIS originated and where it has rebounded in recent months from the setbacks inflicted by U.S. troops to pose a significant challenge to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s control over the country. […]

washingtonpost.com

185 Kragar  Jun 10, 2014 12:24:34pm

re: #181 Kragar

“[The government] needs the police and the military to wipe out the liberty movement, and we wipe them out. […] I estimate in the civil war, 300,000 police will die. I estimate that if the military marches out against the gun owners, half a million dead. Two million dead on the side of the patriots. Won’t matter, we’ll have another 10 million where that came from. But it’ll be a real war once they start it.”

Jones ends the segment by shouting, “We’ve got to stop the civil war. Don’t kill cops!” But seconds earlier he clearly issued the threat that 300,000 cops will die in a civil war at the hands of “patriots,” which is by any account a complimentary term.

186 Ed E. Lishus  Jun 10, 2014 12:25:40pm

re: #181 Kragar

Interesting that Alex Jones was so quick to call this a false flag. It’s almost as if he doesn’t want to accept that there are consequences to his rhetoric. Hmm, I wonder why.

187 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 12:26:08pm

re:
#181
Kragar

Yeah but which is the Leftist, Code Pink group here?

//

188 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 12:26:32pm

Not sure how seriously to take this but it’s an interesting read
Exploring Al-Qa’ida’s Russian Connection

[Note: This is an unusually controversial piece, even for my blog, for reasons that will quickly become obvious. Linkages between Al-Qa’ida and Russian intelligence have been discussed in hushed tones among spies in many countries, for years, and this matter has been a “hobby file” of mine for some time. Here is a think-piece on it, in the hope of spurring additional discussion and research into this important yet murky matter. This is particularly necessary given rising tensions between Moscow and the West at present. Considering the subject, I have eschewed my usual hyperlinks in favor of proper end-notes.]

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2014 12:26:32pm

re: #185 Kragar

Apparently, this is what really happens every time Alex Jones shares his opinion:

190 blueraven  Jun 10, 2014 12:27:14pm

re: #32 Gus

Wait! Jim Hoft has competition!

The best way to end violence against women? Stop taking lovers and…
By W Bradford Wilcox @WilcoxNMP
The data show that #yesallwomen would be safer hitched to their baby daddies.

Washington Post @washingtonpost

Looks like they re-thought their choice of words

The data show that #yesallwomen would be safer with fewer boyfriends around their kids.

Disgusting.

191 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 10, 2014 12:27:48pm
192 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 10, 2014 12:27:50pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently, this is what really happens every time Alex Jones shares his opinion:

It wasn’t me!

193 lockjawcanbefun  Jun 10, 2014 12:28:28pm

And your multiple shooting of the day focuses in on Vancouver.

cbc.ca

194 De Kolta Chair  Jun 10, 2014 12:28:41pm

re: #181 Kragar

Bob Cesca @bobcesca_go

Alex Jones Predicts 300,000 Police Officers Will Die In Civil War Against ‘Patriots’

Why’s that, Mr. Jones, because many cops are union members? /

195 J A P  Jun 10, 2014 12:30:05pm

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

At three o’clock in the margin.

196 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 12:30:14pm

re: #184 CuriousLurker

It’s not an AQ flag, it’s a Jihadi flag. AQ split with them back mid-February. Furthermore, Islamist, Jihadist, insurgent, and terrorist aren’t synonymous, interchangeable terms, regardless of how you may feel about them personally.

Yeah….basically, they’re too crazy even for al-Qaeda. On the other hand, if they were a little closer to Nigeria, ISIS might be able to get along with Boko Haram. But it’s sort of hard to tell who’s more insane in that equation.

197 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 12:30:20pm

re:
#181
Kragar

Does Alex Jones know about elections and democracy and things like that?

198 Stanley Sea  Jun 10, 2014 12:30:22pm

re: #191 NJDhockeyfan

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We built that. And if you supported the Iraq war, you acquiesced.

It’s booga booga now? Please.

199 J A P  Jun 10, 2014 12:30:39pm

re: #172 Decatur Deb

Canada had slavery. The first slave in Canada was named Olivier le Jeune.

200 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 10, 2014 12:30:58pm

Off we go. One more day of 3 to 11 training, then tomorrow I shift (heh) over to my 11 - 7’s. So far a good job that I’m lining a lot.

BBL.

201 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 12:31:09pm

Update to earlier story on Troutdale OR shooting.

Shooter And Student Reported Dead At Reynolds High School

huffingtonpost.com

202 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 10, 2014 12:31:27pm

re: #197 Bulworth

re:
#181
Kragar

Does Alex Jones know about elections and democracy and things like that?

Probably only that they appear broken to him and have to be properly fixed.
/

203 blueraven  Jun 10, 2014 12:32:21pm

re: #191 NJDhockeyfan

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Thank God we went over there to liberate the Iraqi people.

/

204 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 12:33:04pm

re: #196 Dr Lizardo

Yeah….basically, they’re too crazy even for al-Qaeda. On the other hand, if they were a little closer to Nigeria, ISIS might be able to get along with Boko Haram. But it’s sort of hard to tell who’s more insane in that equation.

I might award that prize to ISIS. Boko Haram might sell girls into slavery but they haven’t crucified anyone yet.

205 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 12:33:10pm

Since what was Alex Jones saying during the W Bush admin? Was he down with the Iraq war? Did he still want a civil war in America?

206 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 12:33:37pm

re: #202 Feline Fearless Leader

Probably only that they appear broken to him and have to be properly fixed.
/

PROPERLY FIXED - WITH GUNS!!!

*headdesk*

207 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 10, 2014 12:34:43pm

re: #196 Dr Lizardo

Yeah….basically, they’re too crazy even for al-Qaeda. On the other hand, if they were a little closer to Nigeria, ISIS might be able to get along with Boko Haram. But it’s sort of hard to tell who’s more insane in that equation.

So that’s three terrorists groups and 2 of them got in a fight and went their separate ways. I wish they all would fight each other instead of killing civilians.

208 Ed E. Lishus  Jun 10, 2014 12:35:24pm

re: #205 Bulworth

FWIW (anecdotes, plural of data, etc) but I knew a few righties who rejected Jones, thought he was a loon. IIRC I think it’s because he wasn’t down with Bush either. New World Order and all that.

209 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 12:36:52pm

re:
#208
Ed E. Lishus

Thanks

210 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 12:36:55pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

I might award that prize to ISIS. Boko Haram might sell girls into slavery but they haven’t crucified anyone yet.

Yes, but then again Boko Haram opened fire on a crowd of people who’d gathered to hear them preach. Imagine walking into a church some fine Sunday morning and the good Reverend whips out an AK-47 and starts shooting up the congregation while screaming, “Jesus loves you!!”

That’s some pretty epic-level crazy.

And frankly, something out of Children of the Corn.

211 A Mom Anon  Jun 10, 2014 12:36:58pm

re: #190 blueraven

Yeah, like that time my daughter’s father came home drunk when she was a year old and when I bitched about it he pulled a gun on me WHILE I WAS HOLDING HER. Yeah, I felt Reeeeeallly safe that day. Oh, and then he was shocked, shocked I tell you when I kicked his lazy ass to the curb 28 yrs ago. Apparently he STILL tells my daughter he just doesn’t understand why I had any problems with him at all. And…wait for it….I know you’ll be SO surprised to know…. that he’s a gun toting RWNJ, especially since he noticed (shhh, don’t tell anyone)…the President is BLACK)….

Honest to god, these idiots really need to understand that Father Knows Best and Leave It to Beaver were not fucking documentaries.

212 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 12:37:32pm

re: #210 Dr Lizardo

Yes, but thenagain Boko Haram opened fire on a crowd of people who’d gathered to hear them preach. Imagine walking into a church some fine Sunday morning and the good Reverend whips out an AK-47 and starts shooting up the congregation while screaming, “Jesus loves you!!”

That’s some pretty epic-level crazy.

And frankly, something out of Children of the Corn.

good point.

213 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 12:38:44pm

re: #211 A Mom Anon

Honest to god, these idiots really need to understand that Father Knows Best and Leave It to Beaver were not fucking documentaries.

They were propaganda for patriarchy.

214 kirkspencer  Jun 10, 2014 12:39:06pm

There is a word for those who intend to overthrow the lawful government by violent means, whether through insurgent or classical warfare, regardless of whether using terror or abiding by the geneva conventions.

Perhaps instead of calling them insurgents or terrorists we should start using the legally correct name for them?

215 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 12:39:25pm

re: #199 J A P

Canada had slavery. The first slave in Canada was named Olivier le Jeune.

But they didn’t have to have a civil war to get rid of it. (Looking around here, I’d say it’s not finished.)

216 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 12:39:34pm

Why The Terrorists Are Winning in Iraq—And How That Could Cost Them Everything

Al Qaeda takes the position that winning popular support is a necessary precursor to declaring the establishment of the Caliphate. ISIS, which considers itself the embodiment of the Islamic Caliphate, declares the kingdom of God wherever the group flies its black flag. But as ISIS’s power grows it’s schism with other Islamist groups like al Qaeda may pale compared to the reprisals it will face from government powers. Mosul is ISIS’ signature victory so far, its biggest achievement. But the price of victory could be a giant target on their backs. This could be the moment when regional and international powers like the United States decide to intervene against ISIS. The takeover of Mosul could even trigger a response from Iran, the powerful Shia state that borders Iraq.

217 A Mom Anon  Jun 10, 2014 12:41:33pm

re: #213 wrenchwench

Propaganda that seems to have worked quite well seeing as how I don’t think they’ve been on TV (outside maybe Nick At Night) for what, 40 or 50 years? Gah, I’m hating people today, lol.

218 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 12:41:59pm

Why octopuses don’t get into a tangle
Liveleak Video

219 CuriousLurker  Jun 10, 2014 12:42:04pm
Iraqi city of Mosul falls to jihadists

BAGHDAD — Islamic militants overran parts of Iraq’s second-largest city of Mosul on Tuesday, driving security forces from their posts and seizing the provincial government headquarters, security bases and other key buildings. Gunmen cruised through neighborhoods, waving black banners while residents fled.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki pressed parliament to declare a state of emergency.

The fight for Mosul was a heavy defeat in Baghdad’s battle against a widening insurgency by a breakaway al Qaeda group, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, which has been trying - with some success - to seize territory both in Iraq and neighboring Syria.

Earlier this year, the group captured another Iraqi city, Fallujah, in the west of the country, and government forces have been unable to take it back after months of fighting. The far larger Mosul is an even more strategic prize. The city and surrounding Ninevah province are a major export route for Iraqi oil and a gateway to Syria.

On Tuesday, Mosul residents said the militants appeared to be in control of several parts of the city, raising the black banners that are the emblem of the Islamic State. The residents spoke to The Associated Press by telephone on condition of anonymity, fearing for their safety.

The fighters also seized helicopters at Mosul airport and seized heavy equipment and weapons depots, parliament speaker Osama al-Nujaifi - a Sunni from Mosul - said in a televised address. South of Mosul, several villages and a military air base around the town of Shurqat, in Salahuddin province, also fell to militants, al-Nujaifi said. […]

cbsnews.com

220 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 12:45:02pm

re: #216 Killgore Trout

Why The Terrorists Are Winning in Iraq—And How That Could Cost Them Everything

ISIS is fanatically anti-Shi’a - they regard Shi’a Muslims as takfir.

I imagine that Iran is currently calculating what it can do in regard to an ISIS takeover. If, God forbid, ISIS actually takes Baghdad and precipitates the collapse of the central Iraqi government and begins massacring Iraqi Shi’ites, I can’t imagine Iran is going to stand by and do nothing.

221 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 12:47:44pm

re: #219 CuriousLurker

Trojan Horse Update for you…
BBC: Bradford school governors ‘promoted Islamic agenda’

Teachers in Bradford have reported instances of governors promoting a more Islamic ethos, the BBC has learned.

Governors at Carlton Bolling College, which has a mainly Muslim intake, asked whether a broad religious agenda met the spiritual needs of students.

Documents seen by the BBC also suggest boys and girls have been segregated for trips and after-school workshops.

The chairman of the governors rejected claims of an Islamic agenda, saying his aim was to meet community needs.

The revelations come amid concerns about an Islamist takeover in some schools in Birmingham.

After the so-called Trojan Horse claims, Ofsted inspectors found evidence of a campaign to change the character and ethos of some schools in the Midlands city.

222 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 10, 2014 12:47:56pm

re: #219 CuriousLurker

I believe Iraq is the world’s 4th largest crude oil exporter. This can become devastating to the worlds economy if they take control of the oil wells.

223 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 12:49:42pm

re: #220 Dr Lizardo

ISIS is fanatically anti-Shi’a - they regard Shi’a Muslims as takfir.

I imagine that Iran is currently calculating what it can do in regard to an ISIS takeover. If, God forbid, ISIS actually takes Baghdad and precipitates the collapse of the central Iraqi government and begins massacring Iraqi Shi’ites, I can’t imagine Iran is going to stand by and do nothing.

My guess is Iran would be mostly involved from the Syrian side of the border but on the bright side; Iran and Iraq are getting along fairly well these days.

224 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 12:51:11pm

re: #193 lockjawcanbefun

And your multiple shooting of the day focuses in on Vancouver.

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cbc.ca

Shit. It’s bike shop related.

According to unconfirmed reports, the shooting centred around the Reckless bike shop on Davie Street, and the suspect fled by bike to Science World, where he was involved in a gunfight with police.

225 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 12:52:33pm

Time for America to stop everything again for Iraq. Right.

226 blueraven  Jun 10, 2014 12:55:34pm

re: #222 NJDhockeyfan

I believe Iraq is the world’s 4th largest crude oil exporter. This can become devastating to the worlds economy if they take control of the oil wells.

wait…weren’t we supposed to profit, in the end, by invading Iraq?

Good grief the hits just keep on coming from the misguided policy of Bush/Cheney.

227 A Mom Anon  Jun 10, 2014 12:56:19pm

re: #225 Gus

Some of the old cranky people in my life, before I became old and cranky, used to have some sort of saying about cleaning up one’s own backyard before trying to clean up someone else’s, or complaining about someone else’s mess. Something like that….

If we don’t have the money to educate our children or shelter the homeless or fix our schools, roads and bridges, let alone get gun violence under control, then how in the hell are we supposed to fix anywhere else?

228 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 12:56:56pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

My guess is Iran would be mostly involved from the Syrian side of the border but on the bright side; Iran and Iraq are getting along fairly well these days.

I could see Iran sending in its Revolutionary Guards in order to deal with ISIS, at the Baghdad government’s more-or-less overt invitation. The Iraqi central government is running scared in regard to this situation, and to be honest, I simply cannot understand how a relatively lightly-armed group like ISIS is capable of taking over Mosul, a city of almost two million.

By all accounts, the Iraqi Army and police forces simply ran away. This should be unacceptable to the Iraqi government - it speaks loudly of piss-poor training and quite bluntly, command incompetence.

229 CuriousLurker  Jun 10, 2014 12:58:30pm

re: #220 Dr Lizardo

ISIS is fanatically anti-Shi’a - they regard Shi’a Muslims as takfir.

I imagine that Iran is currently calculating what it can do in regard to an ISIS takeover. If, God forbid, ISIS actually takes Baghdad and precipitates the collapse of the central Iraqi government and begins massacring Iraqi Shi’ites, I can’t imagine Iran is going to stand by and do nothing.

They appear to be evolving, if you can call it that. These guys seem more radical as well as more organized & disciplined. In the photos I’ve been seeing they look much more like a conventional army than some ragtag band of mujaheddin who’ve been hiding out in caves.

I just saw an Al Arabiya article that said Maliki is now offering to arm citizens who are willing to fight ISIS. Not a good sign.

230 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 12:59:02pm

re: #227 A Mom Anon

Some of the old cranky people in my life, before I became old and cranky, used to have some sort of saying about cleaning up one’s own backyard before trying to clean up someone else’s, or complaining about someone else’s mess. Something like that….

If we don’t have the money to educate our children or shelter the homeless or fix our schools, roads and bridges, let alone get gun violence under control, then how in the hell are we supposed to fix anywhere else?

We do have enough, though. It’s just poorly distributed right now.

231 iossarian  Jun 10, 2014 1:00:04pm

re: #226 blueraven

wait…weren’t we supposed to profit, in the end, by invading Iraq?

Good grief the hits just keep on coming from the misguided policy of Bush/Cheney.

Total fucking disaster from start to finish. But of course the idiots are unrepentant. Besides, Cheney made his money so he’s happy.

232 Single-handed sailor  Jun 10, 2014 1:00:26pm

re: #222 NJDhockeyfan

I believe Iraq is the world’s 4th largest crude oil exporter. This can become devastating to the worlds economy if they take control of the oil wells.

14th

233 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 10, 2014 1:00:30pm

nbcnews.com

BEES!

234 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:00:35pm

re: #227 A Mom Anon

Some of the old cranky people in my life, before I became old and cranky, used to have some sort of saying about cleaning up one’s own backyard before trying to clean up someone else’s, or complaining about someone else’s mess. Something like that….

If we don’t have the money to educate our children or shelter the homeless or fix our schools, roads and bridges, let alone get gun violence under control, then how in the hell are we supposed to fix anywhere else?

Earlier.

235 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 1:00:46pm
236 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 1:01:08pm

re: #229 CuriousLurker

I saw that earlier about al-Maliki saying he’d arm civilians if they’d go fight ISIS.

Sounds like the Iraqi Army is simply falling apart at the precise moment they’re needed the most.

237 iossarian  Jun 10, 2014 1:04:01pm

“Sure, just unload those pallets of cash over there. Sign for them you say? Nah, can’t be bothered.”

Fiscal responsibility!

238 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 1:06:46pm

re: #233 Feline Fearless Leader

nbcnews.com

BEES!

B E E S
E
A
R
S
!

239 CuriousLurker  Jun 10, 2014 1:06:51pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Trojan Horse Update for you…
BBC: Bradford school governors ‘promoted Islamic agenda’

Oh good, the reports are out then. I’ll have to read them later. I briefly skimmed through the article and I have to say that “instances of governors promoting a more Islamic ethos” sounds a lot less threatening than, “ZOMG, Trojan Horse—they’re taking over our schools!!11!”

240 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 1:07:10pm
241 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:07:34pm

4,487 dead Americans.

242 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 1:08:04pm

Bees AND bears.

This is not good.

243 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:08:09pm

Maybe if we put some boots on the ground for Mosul?

//

244 blueraven  Jun 10, 2014 1:08:45pm

re: #243 Gus

Maybe if we put some boots on the ground for Mosul?

//

Maybe the NRA can send their “good guys” over there?

245 Floral Giraffe  Jun 10, 2014 1:08:56pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

Lions & Tigers & Bears! Oh My!

246 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 10, 2014 1:10:14pm
247 CuriousLurker  Jun 10, 2014 1:10:35pm

re: #244 blueraven

Maybe the NRA can send their “good guys” over there?

THIS!

248 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 1:10:51pm

Looks like a chocolate milk frog. Mmmm.

249 D Koch  Jun 10, 2014 1:10:53pm

A student hugs her mom after a shooting at Reynolds High School near Portland, Oregon

250 allegro  Jun 10, 2014 1:11:14pm

re: #244 blueraven

Maybe the NRA can send their “good guys” over there?

Aaaaaand let’s send them our talibangelists to convert them to Jesus ala Coulter.

/Too much?

251 A Mom Anon  Jun 10, 2014 1:12:40pm

re: #246 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

So, this makes me wonder, who stands to profit from this? Who runs this ministry and how are they connected to the GOP? What have they been promised in return for all this? Because it’s ALWAYS about the money with these peeps, always.

252 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:13:02pm

$2,000,000,000

253 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:13:41pm

BEE:30

254 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:14:11pm

Oh. And Ukraine. And Crimea.

255 allegro  Jun 10, 2014 1:14:50pm

re: #254 Gus

Oh. And Ukraine. And Crimea.

What about Africa?

256 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:15:03pm

Meanwhile at Arab League headquarters.

[crickets]

257 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:15:19pm

re: #255 allegro

What about Africa?

And Africa.

258 Single-handed sailor  Jun 10, 2014 1:15:20pm

re: #252 Gus

$2,000,000,000

2 billion?

259 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:15:36pm

And South Korea.

260 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:15:51pm

re: #258 Single-handed sailor

2 billion?

I don’t know. Seeing double right now. :D

261 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 1:16:18pm

re: #256 Gus

Meanwhile at Arab League headquarters.

[crickets] [bees]

262 J A P  Jun 10, 2014 1:16:23pm

re: #215 Decatur Deb

No, they didn’t. It became so rooted in the south because the region developed an economy based on it. The entire British Empire outside of the United Kingdom itself had slavery, as did the French Empire and most of the others as far as I know. The was nothing “inherent” in the culture of North America that caused slavery to become so deeply embedded in the southern part of England’s North American colonies. Some of the first colonies to get rid of slavery were northern states in the U.S.

Places outside of the U.S. where the economy also became based on slavery, most notably the Caribbean islands, had difficulty getting rid of slavery as well. If you look at the behavior of the different empires in the sugar islands, the treatment of the native population, treatment of white workers and the treatment of non-white workers, it all starts looking more economic than cultural to me.

The race problem complicates the gun problem. There is still a correlation between gun ownership and gun violence even when looking at other countries. Let’s not forget, Canada passed stricter gun laws in the wake of a mass shooting. Canada has a macho, frontier culture, think of lumberjacks, couriers de bois and all that. They also had a rate of gun ownership last time I looked into it back in the nineties. Hunting is still a popular pastime there. Their record regarding indigenous groups is no kinder than ours.

Also, let’s not forget that much of this gun buying is new. It’s been fanned by conservative media. It’s possible to trace roots to earlier periods in U.S. history, but I’m not sure that’s really helpful at this point. I mean, we could go back to the failures of reconstruction, but that doesn’t tell us where to go from here.

The gun manufacturers have saturated this society with guns for a profit and we’re dealing with the consequences. The only thing that will slow this down is sensible gun laws and, at this point, because we’ve allowed this problem to fester for too long, it will probably take some time before we have any positive results.

And, yes, we’ll still have a race problem to deal with.

263 allegro  Jun 10, 2014 1:16:28pm

Central and South America

264 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:17:00pm

With bonus Chechens fighters possibly heading for Eastern Ukraine.

265 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 1:17:00pm

re: #248 wrenchwench

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Looks like a chocolate milk frog. Mmmm.

He looks like a ceramic nicknack. BTW, My frogs are still talking all night long and breeding. In past years they’ve always stopped by mid may. Not sure why it’s different this year.

266 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:17:14pm

re: #263 allegro

Central and South America

Nah. We’re still ignoring them.

267 Stanley Sea  Jun 10, 2014 1:17:23pm

re: #248 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

Looks like a chocolate milk frog. Mmmm.

Actually a mint chocolate milk frog.

268 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 1:17:33pm
269 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:17:48pm

Which is probably a blessing.

270 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 1:18:46pm

re: #265 Killgore Trout

He looks like a ceramic nicknack. BTW, My frogs are still talking all night long and breeding. In past years they’ve always stopped by mid may. Not sure why it’s different this year.

Climate change. Srsly. If it isn’t now, it will be. Happening in the mountains now, frog species are climbing to reach the climate that left them.

271 CuriousLurker  Jun 10, 2014 1:19:04pm

re: #263 allegro

Central and South America

Don’t forget Mexico. BMW! Anchor babies! Persian tattoos! Los Zetas!

Louieeeeeee! Somebody get Gohmert on the phone, stat!

272 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:19:28pm

There is the “drug war” in Columbia but that’s mostly BS and a military contractor feeding pit.

273 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:20:00pm

re: #271 CuriousLurker

Don’t forget Mexico. BMW! Anchor babies! Persian tattoos! Los Zetas!

Louieeeeeee! Somebody get Gohmert on the phone, stat!

And Canada. //

274 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:21:05pm

Freedom isn’t free.

//

275 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:21:44pm

They hate us because are freedoms.

276 CuriousLurker  Jun 10, 2014 1:21:56pm

re: #264 Gus

With bonus Chechens fighters possibly heading for Eastern Ukraine.

Black Widows—KT was right!!11!! *gasp, thud*

277 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:22:02pm
278 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:22:40pm

re: #276 CuriousLurker

Black Widows—KT was right!!11!! *gasp, thud*

Saw it the other night. From EuromaidanPR. O.O

279 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:24:12pm
280 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 1:24:17pm

So, not entirely on their own terms at all.

Official: Police, not wife, killed man in Wal-Mart after couple shot 2 police officers - @reviewjournal
Read more on reviewjournal.com

281 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 10, 2014 1:24:29pm

re: #270 wrenchwench

Climate change. Srsly. If it isn’t now, it will be. Happening in the mountains now, frog species are climbing to reach the climate that left them.

youtube.com

Across the Andes by Frog.

:)

282 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 1:24:44pm

re: #278 Gus

Saw it the other night. From EuromaidanPR. O.O

Chenens joining the fight in Ukraine? I don;t think that would be a huge deal. I doubt they’d show up in numbers large enough to make a difference or cause a problem.

283 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:25:58pm

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Chenens joining the fight in Ukraine? I don;t think that would be a huge deal. I doubt they’d show up in numbers large enough to make a difference or cause a problem.

Who are you and what have you done to Killgore?

284 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 1:26:59pm

Why doesn’t Obama lead?

Why is Obama appeasing the terrerirsts?!?!

Why is Obama letting America decline??!?

Fox News: Did the 5 high profile terrorist leaders Obama illegally released from Gitmo help the terrorists win in Mosul and Pakistan?

285 CuriousLurker  Jun 10, 2014 1:27:01pm

re: #278 Gus

Saw it the other night. From EuromaidanPR. O.O

Seriously, at any given time—24/7—there are so damned many bad things going on in the world that we can stress out over… it’s exhausting just thinking about it, forget trying to actually fix anything.

As you said, we can’t even fix our problems here.

286 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 1:27:43pm

re: #283 Gus

Who are you and what have you done to Killgore?

I punished him for free speech and have taken his place.

287 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:27:59pm

re: #285 CuriousLurker

Seriously, at any given time—24/7—there are so damned many bad things going on in the world that we can stress out over… it’s exhausting just thinking about it, forget trying to actually fix anything.

As you said, we can’t even fix our problems here.

Yes, but Max Fisher has issues. //

288 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:28:13pm

re: #286 Killgore Trout

I punished him for free speech and have taken his place.

:P

289 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:30:07pm

Or Michael Weiss. Or Josh Rogin. “Well, actually!”

290 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 10, 2014 1:30:50pm

re: #219 CuriousLurker

Un freaking believable. I was reading the same story albeit at Christian Science Monitor.

Another AFP journalist said thousands of Mosul residents had fled for the safety of the autonomous Kurdish region in the north. Dozens of cars and trucks stretched out from one checkpoint on the boundary of the region, as people with plastic bags, suitcases and a pram waited to enter, some with young children in tow.

291 CuriousLurker  Jun 10, 2014 1:34:54pm

re: #290 Rightwingconspirator

Un freaking believable. I was reading the same story albeit at Christian Science Monitor.

I was just thinking about you. An article on the guy who tried to stop stop the shooters: Family mourns man killed while trying to stop shooting spree

292 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 1:36:47pm
293 Ian G.  Jun 10, 2014 1:37:08pm

re: #290 Rightwingconspirator

So what chance does Iraq have of not turning into Syria at this point? OK, maybe Maliki isn’t as ruthless as Assad, but it would seem a Sunni-Shi’a civil war is all but inevitable.

Well, there’s always Kurdistan, I guess. They really need to make a full break with the train wreck that is the rest of Iraq, though.

294 CuriousLurker  Jun 10, 2014 1:41:03pm

re: #293 Ian G.

So what chance does Iraq have of not turning into Syria at this point? OK, maybe Maliki isn’t as ruthless as Assad, but it would seem a Sunni-Shi’a civil war is all but inevitable.

Well, there’s always Kurdistan, I guess. They really need to make a full break with the train wreck that is the rest of Iraq, though.

I was just thinking about the Kurds. They’re mountain people and not to be trifled with, so I doubt ISIS will bother them. Maybe they should’ve been left in charge instead of Maliki. Nah, prolly not interested.

295 Varek Raith  Jun 10, 2014 1:41:49pm

Every time you think you’ve heard the dumbest possible thing from these guys, they go and surprise you with new levels of derp.

296 CuriousLurker  Jun 10, 2014 1:42:25pm
297 CuriousLurker  Jun 10, 2014 1:44:08pm

Okay, time for a sanity break.

BBL

298 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 1:47:39pm

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m still searching…

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299 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 10, 2014 1:49:10pm

re: #292 Gus

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They are sending a bunch of them to Syria.

300 GeneJockey  Jun 10, 2014 1:52:06pm

If ONE MORE PERSON says anything to me remotely like “Both sides do it”, I will fucking explode.

301 Kragar  Jun 10, 2014 1:52:30pm

re: #300 GeneJockey

If ONE MORE PERSON says anything to me remotely like “Both sides do it”, I will fucking explode.

Everybody says that

302 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 10, 2014 1:53:33pm

re: #301 Kragar

Everybody says that

But the other side says it more….

RBS

303 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 10, 2014 1:53:46pm

re: #300 GeneJockey

If ONE MORE PERSON says anything to me remotely like “Both sides do it”, I will fucking explode.

Quit seething. You’re just like the other guys.

304 GeneJockey  Jun 10, 2014 1:55:05pm

re: #303 NJDhockeyfan

Quit seething. You’re just like the other guys.

BANG! Splat!

Told you.

305 A Mom Anon  Jun 10, 2014 1:56:08pm

re: #300 GeneJockey

Yeah, I know what you mean. But you know, the facts are what they are, no matter how much the bastards insist otherwise. It’s OK to get pissed off, it’s what you do with your anger that makes you different (or the same) as the other guy.

306 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 10, 2014 1:58:17pm
307 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 1:58:57pm

re: #300 GeneJockey

If ONE MORE PERSON says anything to me remotely like “Both sides do it”, I will fucking explode.

Both sides fucking explode. Go for it!

308 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 1:59:11pm

I doubt this guy put his political views all over the internet, either.

Osmakac found guilty of planning terror attack

tbo.com

“Osmakac, a naturalized citizen born in Kosovo, faces life in prison.

(snip)

“Osmakac was arrested Jan. 7, 2012, in the culmination of an FBI sting in which an undercover agent, posing as an arms dealer, provided him with inert explosives and non-working guns. Osmakac was arrested as he tried to pull away from a Days Inn parking lot with what he thought was a car bomb in his trunk.

“According to evidence presented in the trial, Osmakac planned to detonate the bomb outside a busy South Tampa pub, then go to the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino, where he planned to use guns and grenades to take hostages and demand the release of Muslim prisoners.” More

309 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 2:00:07pm

re: #306 NJDhockeyfan

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310 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 2:02:59pm

re: #308 Justanotherhuman

I doubt this guy put his political views all over the internet, either.

Osmakac found guilty of planning terror attack

tbo.com

“Osmakac, a naturalized citizen born in Kosovo, faces life in prison.

(snip)

“Osmakac was arrested Jan. 7, 2012, in the culmination of an FBI sting in which an undercover agent, posing as an arms dealer, provided him with inert explosives and non-working guns. Osmakac was arrested as he tried to pull away from a Days Inn parking lot with what he thought was a car bomb in his trunk.

“According to evidence presented in the trial, Osmakac planned to detonate the bomb outside a busy South Tampa pub, then go to the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino, where he planned to use guns and grenades to take hostages and demand the release of Muslim prisoners.” More

You’d think the Kosovars would be more friendly to us American Imperialist Dogs. They can be a problem. I guess we probably absorbed a lot of refugees so statistically absorbed a lot of bad apples.

311 Archangelus  Jun 10, 2014 2:04:11pm

re: #181 Kragar

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Ooh, that’s a good one, Jones…

/OhWaitHe’sSerious

312 dog philosopher  Jun 10, 2014 2:05:24pm

in mosul’s fall
we sinned all

313 thedopefishlives  Jun 10, 2014 2:09:17pm

re: #295 Varek Raith

Every time you think you’ve heard the dumbest possible thing from these guys, they go and surprise you with new levels of derp.

I’m beginning to wonder if there is such a thing as the “dumbest possible thing”. These guys are certainly making a strong argument in the negative.

Evening Lizardim.

314 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 10, 2014 2:12:23pm

re: #313 thedopefishlives

I’m beginning to wonder if there is such a thing as the “dumbest possible thing”. These guys are certainly making a strong argument in the negative.

Evening Lizardim.

it’s like finding out that there actually are things colder than “absolute zero”. It shouldn’t exist, it’s impossible, but there it is… colder than cold could be. (and we aren’t talking about my first ex-wife’s heart)

RBS

315 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 2:12:36pm
316 Stanley Sea  Jun 10, 2014 2:16:05pm
317 Lidane  Jun 10, 2014 2:16:26pm

RADICAL LEFTY!

318 KerFuFFler  Jun 10, 2014 2:17:02pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Just sayin’ - if somebody posted a rant like that about murdering cops at LGF, they’d be reported to authorities immediately.

“The Police (To Kill or Not to Kill)”

He was just wonderin’…… //

319 GeneJockey  Jun 10, 2014 2:17:27pm

re: #305 A Mom Anon

Yeah, I know what you mean. But you know, the facts are what they are, no matter how much the bastards insist otherwise. It’s OK to get pissed off, it’s what you do with your anger that makes you different (or the same) as the other guy.

The problem I have is with the folks who cannot understand the difference between “This is bullshit, and here’s why” and “This is bullshit, you must be (Gay; Communist; Muslim; Stupid)”.

320 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 2:20:22pm

Obama’s fault.

321 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 2:22:20pm
322 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 2:22:27pm

You know who else decided to end SOFA talks?

/

323 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 2:25:09pm

re: #322 Bulworth

You know who else decided to end SOFA talks?

/

I don’t like the way you couched that question.

324 Kragar  Jun 10, 2014 2:25:53pm

re: #322 Bulworth

You know who else decided to end SOFA talks?

/

Rick James

325 Bulworth  Jun 10, 2014 2:26:11pm

I see what you did there.

And it only took me 11.9 seconds to see what you did there.

326 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 2:26:30pm

re: #320 Gus

Statement by the President on Agreements with Iraq
November 2008

Today’s vote affirms the growth of Iraq’s democracy and increasing ability to secure itself. We look forward to a swift approval by Iraq’s Presidency Council.

Two years ago, this day seemed unlikely - but the success of the surge and the courage of the Iraqi people set the conditions for these two agreements to be negotiated and approved by the Iraqi parliament. The improved conditions on the ground and the parliamentary approval of these two agreements serve as a testament to the Iraqi, Coalition, and American men and women, both military and civilian, who paved the way for this day.
georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov

327 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!  Jun 10, 2014 2:27:20pm

re: #323 wrenchwench

YES! Hahaha!

328 Varek Raith  Jun 10, 2014 2:27:39pm

re: #321 Gus

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Who are they to tell us to leave their country?!?!!?

Sigh…

329 Varek Raith  Jun 10, 2014 2:31:09pm

I iz making pizza.

330 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 2:31:42pm

[….]

Howard Scheff, another American Independent candidate, said he met the couple in March, at a rally against Common Core, and saw them again the following month at another rally and then at the Bundy ranch.

Amanda Miller had legally purchased a shotgun and semiautomatic pistol carried by her husband, Scheff said, and she carried a revolver.

Scheff, who’s running for the District 42 seat in the Nevada statehouse, said he liked the couple, who were about the same age as his own children, but he quickly realized Jerad Miller could not remain at the ranch.

He learned that Jerad Miller was a convicted felon, although he continued to carry guns - including an AR-15 someone had loaned him during a patrol shift - and he received a disturbing text during a visit home to Las Vegas.

“‘You need to get back here, it’s going down,’” Scheff said Jerad Miller told him in the message. “‘They’ve got drones in the sky, they’ve got guys coming in to attack us.’”

Scheff said he called the Bundy family, who said nothing had changed since he left the ranch, and he found Jerad Miller even more “amped up” when he returned.

“‘I’m going over to the (Bureau of Land Management) base camp to get this started,’” he said Jerad Miller told him.

Scheff brought his concerns to militia members who had been handling security during the standoff, and they agreed to tell Jerad Miller he had failed a background check. [Emphasis added.]

“They just told them to leave, and he cried - hysterically cried, so emotional my heart broke,” Scheff said. “He wanted to do the right thing, but he didn’t know how to do that.”

[…]

He was going to get them killed, so they told him he failed a background check.

331 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 2:31:49pm

re: #329 Varek Raith

I iz making pizza.

I iz done making redneck window screen with mosquito netting from IKEA and duct tape.

:D

332 blueraven  Jun 10, 2014 2:32:03pm

re: #320 Gus

Obama’s fault.

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WTF?

333 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 2:32:46pm

re: #332 blueraven

WTF?

The usual. Blame Obama but whatever you do, don’t bring up Bush!

334 Varek Raith  Jun 10, 2014 2:33:19pm

re: #331 Dr Lizardo

I iz done making redneck window screen with mosquito netting from IKEA and duct tape.

:D

Been there, done that.
Damn bugs.

335 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 2:33:37pm

re: #330 wrenchwench

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He was going to get them killed, so they told him he failed a background check.

ONLY LIBERAL BETA-MALES CRY! PWND! HE WAS LIBTARD!!

336 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 2:34:38pm

re: #334 Varek Raith

Been there, done that.
Damn bugs.

Yeah…..all kinds of beetles and skeeters fly in without them.

And when I was putting it up, Spiderzilla stopped by to see what I was up to. One of those big old European garden spiders.

337 klys  Jun 10, 2014 2:35:04pm

re: #330 wrenchwench

So they only used the background check as an excuse to get him to leave and didn’t actually care? I have a shocked face somewhere, I’m sure.

338 dog philosopher  Jun 10, 2014 2:36:59pm

3d
6 cities submitted bids to host 2016 Democratic National Convention: Birmingham, Cleveland, Columbus, New York, Philadelphia and Phoenix, DNC says

can you imagine birmingham ala as the site for the convention? really?

339 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 2:37:00pm

re: #337 klys

So they only used the background check as an excuse to get him to leave and didn’t actually care? I have a shocked face somewhere, I’m sure.

They didn’t care about the felony so much as the ravings of a guy who took their rhetoric seriously.

340 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 2:38:42pm

341 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 2:39:27pm

342 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 10, 2014 2:39:48pm

re: #313 thedopefishlives

I’m beginning to wonder if there is such a thing as the “dumbest possible thing”. These guys are certainly making a strong argument in the negative.

Evening Lizardim.

Stuck at work doing documentation work with a co-worker for an equipment test tomorrow.

Not in a hurry to walk home since a thunderstorm is swinging through Center City right now.

343 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 2:40:21pm
344 klys  Jun 10, 2014 2:40:28pm

re: #339 wrenchwench

They didn’t care about the felony so much as the ravings of a guy who took their rhetoric seriously.

Shit, man, we can’t afford to be seen as firing first. Crap. Quick, how can we get him out of here before he fucks it all up???

345 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 2:40:33pm

re: #330 wrenchwench

Other groups for which the Millers expressed support denounced their actions.

“TTPC has always supported members of law enforcement and the military who honor their oath,” posted The Three Percenters Club. “The recent shooting was nothing more than premeditated murder by two cowards. TTPC does not condone these types of actions, nor will we ever. It is unfortunate that true patriot groups do have ‘bad apples’ amongst them, as all groups do. Do not allow yourselves to be drawn in by these hate mongering extremists.”

Extremist group disavows extremists who act out their avowed philosphy.

ADL:

The Oath Keepers and Three Percenters, both part of an anti-government extremist movement that has grown since President Obama took office, promote the idea that the federal government is plotting to take away the rights of American citizens and must be resisted.adl.org

346 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 2:40:40pm
347 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 2:41:46pm
348 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 2:42:17pm

re: #346 Gus

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I say we send the Bundy militias to both Iraq and Syria.

I doubt they’d last long.

349 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 2:42:58pm

re: #348 Dr Lizardo

I doubt they’d last long.

Probably not. Fall over in a diabetic coma after not getting enough snacks.

350 dog philosopher  Jun 10, 2014 2:43:25pm

re: #341 Gus

mushroom cloud

so it wasn’t about a bottle of smoking loon in the form of a mushroom soup?

351 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 2:44:03pm
352 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 10, 2014 2:44:49pm

re: #337 klys

So they only used the background check as an excuse to get him to leave and didn’t actually care? I have a shocked face somewhere, I’m sure.

Would have been nice if they’d passed any of that onto the local LE. You’ve just kicked a guy used to handling weapons to the curb and triggered an extremely emotional response. And not given a thought where and how that emotion might rechannel itself?

353 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 2:45:28pm

re: #351 Charles Johnson

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Somewhere (probably a stinky place) Andrew Breitbart is smiling.

354 goddamnedfrank  Jun 10, 2014 2:45:32pm

re: #339 wrenchwench

They didn’t care about the felony so much as the ravings of a guy who took their rhetoric seriously.

During the standoff there were tons of these assholes on twitter raving about drones and BLM snipers on the hilltops. The entire situation was designed to feed off of endemic right wing paranoid fears. They didn’t really give a shit that he failed the background check, they’d known for days that he was a felon and they weren’t bothered by him walking around with guns.

It was when he talked about going down to the BLM base camp and intentionally starting a shooting war that they decided to kick him out, and that was probably more about public relations and expedience than anything else. The militia and their supporters were palpably disappointed when the BLM decided to back down instead giving them the violent showdown they desperately wanted.

They just really wanted the BLM to fire the first shot, that’s what the talk about using women as humans shields was all about, and why some of them thought bringing their children to the camp was a good idea. They were cynically trying to set up the optics in such a way that the government agents would look like monsters, so when this guy threatened all that work he had to go.

355 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 2:46:08pm

re: #330 wrenchwench

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He was going to get them killed, so they told him he failed a background check.

Isn’t that more like Scheff trying to cover his own ass?

He was there. A candidate running for office in NV, just hanging out at the Bundy ranch.

356 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 2:46:27pm
357 dog philosopher  Jun 10, 2014 2:46:28pm

re: #351 Charles Johnson

EXCLUSIVE @SenTedCruz writes for

im sorry ted yer still not gonna be nominee

358 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 2:46:48pm

re: #345 jaunte

Extremist group disavows extremists who act out their avowed philosphy.

I wonder whether anyone learned anything of value to the continuation of civilization.

359 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 2:48:00pm
360 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 2:48:29pm

re: #356 Gus

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I’m glad Pinker is showing his ass before I read one of his tomes.

361 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 2:49:14pm

LOL He deleted that Tweet!

362 klys  Jun 10, 2014 2:51:04pm

re: #355 Justanotherhuman

Isn’t that more like Scheff trying to cover his own ass?

He was there. A candidate running for office in NV, just hanging out at the Bundy ranch.

American Independence party means that his hanging out at the Bundy ranch is pretty much consistent with the party platform.

We consider patriotism as a manifestation of how we express our love for this great country and each other.

We affirm that patriotism does not mean blind submission to government, but rather vigilant action in the preservation and perpetuation of our rights and liberties against government infringement, and against those in or out of government attempting to pervert or overthrow our Constitution and national independence. Since the American flag is the symbol of our freedom and the sacrifice of countless Americans, we strongly oppose any form of desecration to our nation’s flag.

- See more at: independentamericanparty.org

363 klys  Jun 10, 2014 2:52:09pm

re: #362 klys

More added fun:

We assert that our 5th Amendment property rights limit the federal power of an eminent domain solely to the purchase of private property at fair market value for legitimate public use, and not for purposes such as urban renewal, environmental protection, or historic preservation. - See more at: independentamericanparty.org

Emphasis mine.

364 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 2:52:44pm

re: #355 Justanotherhuman

Isn’t that more like Scheff trying to cover his own ass?

He was there. A candidate running for office in NV, just hanging out at the Bundy ranch.

And a few other venues, starting with a rally against Common Core.

365 klys  Jun 10, 2014 2:52:53pm

re: #363 klys

Ok, last bit:

We oppose federal ownership or management of any properties not specified in the Constitution. - See more at: independentamericanparty.org

366 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 2:53:06pm
367 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 2:53:44pm
368 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 2:54:10pm

re: #345 jaunte

Extremist group disavows extremists who act out their avowed philosphy.

ADL:

Depending on definition, there are several factions of Threepers, two main ones. (It’s further confused by frequent self-identification.) The two major foci are The Sipsey Street blog, hosted by M. Vanderboegh and the III Percent Patriots and subsets led by Sam Kerodin. They basically despise each other.

A Canadian ‘Patriot’ site has a detailed inside description of the vetting of the Millers at Bundy ranch. I can’t seem to approach it by cache, and don’t want to direct traffic to them w/o Charles knowledge. The important new element in that telling is that the days-long decision to ease them out included the donation of ‘a few hundred dollars’ to square them away physically.

369 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 2:54:39pm

They changed the headline to: One way to end violence against women? Married dads.

Link still read like the original.

the-best-way-to-end-violence-against-women-stop-taking-lovers-and-get-married

370 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 2:55:48pm

W. Bradford Wilcox

Gay parents study controversy

In July 2012 a study titled “How different are the adult children of parents who have same-sex relationships? Findings from the New Family Structures Study”[8] was published which prompted much criticism regarding its methodology and allegations that it was influenced by two politically conservative organizations that helped fund his study.[9] Later, James Wright, editor of Social Science Research, identified Paul Amato and W. Bradford Wilcox as two of the three anonymous peer reviewers who vetted the scientific methodology of this study.[10]

371 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 2:55:53pm

re: #366 Gus

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BUT THAT WAS TOTALLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE BLACKITY SOMETHING SHUT UP THAT’S WHY!1!!

372 klys  Jun 10, 2014 2:57:03pm

re: #369 Gus

They changed the headline to: One way to end violence against women? Married dads.

Link still read like the original.

the-best-way-to-end-violence-against-women-stop-taking-lovers-and-get-married

They missed the clearest takeaway, which is that married couples without children have the lowest rate of violence. Protect yourself, don’t have kids!

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373 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 2:58:02pm

re: #368 Decatur Deb

Depending on definition, there are several factions of Threepers, two main ones. (It’s further confused by frequent self-identification.) The two major foci are The Sipsey Street blog, hosted by M. Vanderboegh and the III Percent Patriots and subsets led by Sam Kerodin. They basically despise each other.

A Canadian ‘Patriot’ site has a detailed inside description of the vetting of the Millers at Bundy ranch. I can’t seem to approach it by cache, and don’t want to direct traffic to them w/o Charles knowledge. The important new element in that telling is that the days-long decision to ease them out included the donation of ‘a few hundred dollars’ to square them away physically.

Wow. Paid ‘em off to leave.

374 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:00:07pm

Holy Schnikies

Raining so hard here right now I can’t even see the gate from the security camera that’s mounted not 3 feet away from it!!!

And not 30 minutes ago, there wasn’t a cloud in the sky

I LOVE Atlanta late afternoon/ spring thunderstorms

((skies will be totally clear in another 20 minutes or so)))

375 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 3:00:14pm

re: #362 klys

Evidently Scheff has something to do with guns—promotion, selling, trading or something of that sort.

plus.google.com

linkedin.com

Gunsmith / Co-owner at Gun Doctor (Division of HCB Marketing Group)
COO at HCB Marketing Group

376 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 3:00:30pm

W Bradford Wilcox
@WilcoxNMP

Director, National Marriage Project @UVA | Senior Fellow, Institute for Family Studies | Visiting Scholar @AEI

AEI! Hahahaha!

377 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:01:11pm

re: #376 Gus

AEI

I prefer EIEIO

378 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 3:01:15pm
379 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 3:01:50pm

re: #376 Gus

W Bradford Wilcox
@WilcoxNMP

Director, National Marriage Project @UVA | Senior Fellow, Institute for Family Studies | Visiting Scholar @AEI

AEI! Hahahaha!

Another Propagandist for Patriarchy.

380 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 3:01:54pm

re: #373 wrenchwench

Wow. Paid ‘em off to leave.

Only temporarily—the squaring away was for a mission to a remote site, to get them out of the way. They returned and were definitively told to leave. the process took a couple days, hence all the interview/photo ops. The claim is that they were kept in the ‘fruits and nuts’ camp, technically not on Bundy property, with other weirdos. That camp became significant when the militias and Oathkeepers started to unravel.

381 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 3:02:37pm

re: #377 sattv4u2

AEI

I prefer EIEIO

Who wouldn’t? There’s a whole lot less bullshit on Old MacDonald’s farm.

382 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:03:28pm

re: #381 wrenchwench

Who wouldn’t? There’s a whole lot less bullshit on Old MacDonald’s farm.

Plus ,,, you have pigs ,, which mean you have (yup) BACON!!!

383 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 3:03:58pm

re: #380 Decatur Deb

Only temporarily—the squaring away was for a mission to a remote site, to get them out of the way. They returned and were definitively told to leave. the process took a couple days, hence all the interview/photo ops. The claim is that they were kept in the ‘fruits and nuts’ camp, technically not on Bundy property, with other weirdos. That camp became significant when the militias and Oathkeepers started to unravel.

It used to be the lefties who had deadly purity battles.

384 A Mom Anon  Jun 10, 2014 3:04:09pm

re: #349 Gus

Yep. But if they love those kinds of weapons so much, then they ought to be happy to go. What are they? A bunch of weenies? They should be first in line….

(and then I laughed, oh how I laughed…)

385 dog philosopher  Jun 10, 2014 3:04:15pm

re: #381 wrenchwench

Who wouldn’t? There’s a whole lot less bullshit on Old MacDonald’s farm.

and the hamburgers are better

386 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 3:04:20pm

re: #382 sattv4u2

Plus ,,, you have pigs ,, which mean you have (yup) BACON!!!

Oh, AEI has pigs…..

387 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:05:13pm

re: #386 wrenchwench

Oh, AEI has pigs…..

Yeah,, but I don’t want their tasty parts!

388 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 3:05:40pm

Welp. I no longer follow any “atheist leaders” on Twitter. Pinker was the last one.

389 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 3:05:50pm

re: #383 wrenchwench

It used to be the lefties who had deadly purity battles.

Personality-based leadership meet macho BS. Pretty much inevitable. There is also a good bit of obvious profiteering.

390 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 3:06:18pm

re: #387 sattv4u2

Yeah,, but I don’t want their tasty parts!

They want to regulate mine, so I prefer EIEIO too.

391 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:06:29pm

re: #388 Gus

Welp. I no longer follow any “atheist leaders” on Twitter. Pinker was the last one.

ummm, where are they “leading” TOO!?!?!?!

392 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 3:06:59pm

re: #391 sattv4u2

ummm, where are they “leading” TOO!?!?!?!

Their egos.

393 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 3:07:07pm

re: #383 wrenchwench

It used to be the lefties who had deadly purity battles.

Hmmm. Don’t fall into that trap. I’ve never seen a weapon when I was having a discussion about politics—theoretical or practical.

394 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 3:07:28pm

re: #388 Gus

Welp. I no longer follow any “atheist leaders” on Twitter. Pinker was the last one.

Maybe we’ll have to appoint b_sharp as an “atheist leader”.

395 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 3:07:59pm

re: #356 Gus

[Embedded content]

Heresy!

396 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 3:09:39pm

re: #395 Killgore Trout

Heresy!

Yeah, how dare I have my own standards.

397 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 3:09:43pm

re: #393 Justanotherhuman

Hmmm. Don’t fall into that trap. I’ve never seen a weapon when I was having a discussion about politics—theoretical or practical.

Mr. w has. Maybe doesn’t count as ‘lefty’. It was union stuff. But most of the purity battles were deadly to the cause, not participants.

398 Dr. Matt  Jun 10, 2014 3:09:54pm
399 Snarknado!  Jun 10, 2014 3:10:19pm

re: #336 Dr Lizardo

Yeah…..all kinds of beetles and skeeters fly in without them.

And when I was putting it up, Spiderzilla stopped by to see what I was up to. One of those big old European garden spiders.

You were interfering with the free flow of spider chow.

400 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:10:37pm

re: #395 Killgore Trout

Heresy!

Ooohhhh,,,, I love their Peanut Butter Cups

oh ,, wait ,, that’s Hershey’s,, nevahmind

401 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:10:52pm

dammit ,,, now I want peanut butter cups

402 thedopefishlives  Jun 10, 2014 3:11:25pm

re: #398 Dr. Matt

Regret, one upding, etc., etc.

403 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 3:11:50pm

re: #388 Gus

Welp. I no longer follow any “atheist leaders” on Twitter. Pinker was the last one.

I still read Sam Harris’ blog but I don’t know what his twitter feed is like.

404 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 3:12:58pm

re: #396 Gus

Yeah, how dare I have my own standards.

Independent thought, the enemy of dogma.

405 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 3:13:31pm

Uh oh.

Dallas Cowboys recover drone lost on stadium roof, will return it to owner; FAA is investigating if any rules were violated - @ScottGordonNBC5
see original on twitter.com

Can you imagine if everyone had their own drone?

406 klys  Jun 10, 2014 3:14:03pm

re: #396 Gus

Yeah, how dare I have my own standards.

You’re apparently infringing on his free speech by not following him on Twitter. Or something.

407 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 3:14:08pm

re: #401 sattv4u2

dammit ,,, now I want peanut butter cups

I almost broke down and walked to Trader Joes for their dark chocolate peanut butter cups. I resisted but they’re calling me, maybe next week.

408 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 3:14:28pm

See anybody you recognize?

Nevada Oath Keepers

409 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 3:15:23pm

I should bring back my Hitchens avatars. Not sure if I even have them around anymore.

410 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:15:30pm

re: #405 Justanotherhuman

Can you imagine if everyone had their own drone?

I almost married one

She went on and on and on about this,, and that ,,,

411 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 3:15:30pm

Off to join a ragged band of Alabama Dems, as we try to make a plan to take down the DerpStar.

BBL.

412 Dr. Matt  Jun 10, 2014 3:15:58pm

re: #408 Skip Intro

See anybody you recognize?

[Embedded image]

[Embedded image]

CRAZED LEFTISTS!!!!!!

413 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 3:15:58pm

re: #406 klys

You’re apparently infringing on his free speech by not following him on Twitter. Or something.

Pinker will be OK as long as he isn’t seen wearing a Keffiyeh.

//

414 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 3:15:59pm

re: #403 Killgore Trout

I still read Sam Harris’ blog but I don’t know what his twitter feed is like.

He’s the worst. Not his twitter feed, I haven’t seen that.

415 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 3:16:47pm

re: #408 Skip Intro

See anybody you recognize?

[Embedded image]

[Embedded image]

Nevada Oath Keepers

Where did you get those?

416 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 3:17:32pm

re: #414 wrenchwench

He’s the worst. Not his twitter feed, I haven’t seen that.

Never liked him much even when I was deep into Hitchens. Beyond his latent racism he’s BORING!

417 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 3:17:52pm

re: #415 Gus

Where did you get those?

meetup.com

418 thedopefishlives  Jun 10, 2014 3:17:53pm

re: #405 Justanotherhuman

Uh oh.

Dallas Cowboys recover drone lost on stadium roof, will return it to owner; FAA is investigating if any rules were violated - @ScottGordonNBC5
see original on twitter.com

Can you imagine if everyone had their own drone?

We can. Those silly little remote control helicopters are apparently called “drones” now.

419 Varek Raith  Jun 10, 2014 3:18:04pm

re: #416 Gus

Never liked him much even when I was deep into Hitchens. Beyond his latent racism he’s BORING!

STOP STIFLING FREE SPEECH.

420 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:18:13pm

re: #415 Gus

Where did you get those?

He’ll tell you. But then he’ll have to turn your name in to the Keepers D’Oath

421 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 3:18:51pm

re: #405 Justanotherhuman

Uh oh.

Dallas Cowboys recover drone lost on stadium roof, will return it to owner; FAA is investigating if any rules were violated - @ScottGordonNBC5
see original on twitter.com

Can you imagine if everyone had their own drone?

I think we all can understand on why someone would want to drone the Dallas Cowboys.

422 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 3:19:07pm

re: #405 Justanotherhuman

Can you imagine if everyone had their own drone?

423 Varek Raith  Jun 10, 2014 3:20:14pm

re: #422 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

Can you imagine all the idiots on the roads in the sky?
Yeah, no.

424 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:20:24pm

re: #422 wrenchwench

Is that Harold Lloyd standing on the wing of the bi-plane in the middle!?!?!

425 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 3:20:33pm

re: #414 wrenchwench

He’s the worst. Not his twitter feed, I haven’t seen that.

What’s wrong with him? Not looking for a fight, just curious.

426 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 3:20:52pm

re: #420 sattv4u2

Here’s another one from the same site (hint: it’s called the Nevada Oath Keepers).

427 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:21:33pm

re: #426 Skip Intro

Here’s another one from the same site (hint: it’s called the Nevada Oath Keepers).

[Embedded image]

You’re telling me this ,,, because ,,,,!?!?!

428 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 3:21:39pm

re: #422 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

Where are all the guns?

429 Stanley Sea  Jun 10, 2014 3:22:14pm

re: #408 Skip Intro

See anybody you recognize?

[Embedded image]

[Embedded image]

Nevada Oath Keepers

Everyone knew them. There are a lot of people who should be scared shitless right now.

430 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 3:22:30pm

re: #426 Skip Intro

Here’s another one from the same site (hint: it’s called the Nevada Oath Keepers).

[Embedded image]

Maybe I’m being paranoid, or perhaps I need new glasses, but is Jerad Miller in those photos?

431 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:22:43pm

re: #428 Skip Intro

Where are all the guns?

holstered

What part of CONCEALED Carry is unclear!?!?
/(kinda)

432 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 3:23:23pm

re: #427 sattv4u2

Because LGF is jumping around on Chrome like it’s got a palsy, and you just got lucky when I managed to get something posted.

433 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 3:23:34pm

re: #426 Skip Intro

Here’s another one from the same site (hint: it’s called the Nevada Oath Keepers).

[Embedded image]

Isn’t that Pine Tree Flag on the right a piracy flag like the Jolly Roger?

434 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:23:45pm

re: #430 Dr Lizardo

Maybe I’m being paranoid, or perhaps I need new glasses, but is Jerad Miller in those photos?

Instead of his Joker garb he’s cleverly disguised as S. Palin!!!
/

435 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 3:24:00pm

re: #425 Killgore Trout

What’s wrong with him? Not looking for a fight, just curious.

Says Islam is a uniquely violent and otherwise bad religion.

I disagree.

You?

436 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:24:15pm

re: #432 Skip Intro

Because LGF is jumping around on Chrome like it’s got a palsy, and you just got lucky when I managed to get something posted.

duck ,, duck,,, duck,,, duck,,, GOOSE!!

I’m it !!!

:)

/

437 Stanley Sea  Jun 10, 2014 3:25:08pm

re: #430 Dr Lizardo

Maybe I’m being paranoid, or perhaps I need new glasses, but is Jerad Miller in those photos?

And his wife.

438 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 3:25:31pm

re: #430 Dr Lizardo

Maybe I’m being paranoid, or perhaps I need new glasses, but is Jerad Miller in those photos?

And his wife.

439 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 3:25:52pm

So slow.

440 Stanley Sea  Jun 10, 2014 3:26:20pm

re: #439 wrenchwench

So slow.

We are Sistas.

441 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 3:26:52pm

re: #431 sattv4u2

Buildings and airships have holsters?

Damn. It is crazy out there.

442 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 3:27:10pm

Obama: inability to get tougher gun laws shameful

kaj18.com

WASHINGTON, DC - President Barack Obama said Tuesday the nation should be ashamed of the inability to get tougher gun restrictions through Congress in the aftermath of mass shootings that he said have become commonplace in America.

“He said the United States was the only developed country on Earth where mass shootings occur with regularity, adding that “if public opinion does not change, we’re not going to change.”

“Obama added that politicians from both parties were “terrified” of the National Rifle Association, saying the organization was well-funded and able to influence elections to prevent any significant new gun regulations from becoming law.” More

443 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 3:27:44pm

re: #437 Stanley Sea

And his wife.

Where is he in the Palin photo? Is he the guy behind Palin in the tan sportjacket?

444 Lidane  Jun 10, 2014 3:27:49pm

re: #426 Skip Intro

WTF is that white flag with an arrow that has text on it that says “Appeal to..”?

I don’t recognize that one.

445 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 3:27:59pm

re: #440 Stanley Sea

We are Sistas.

So nice to have a sane one!

446 thedopefishlives  Jun 10, 2014 3:28:37pm

re: #436 sattv4u2

duck ,, duck,,, duck,,, duck,,, GOOSE!!

I’m it !!!

:)

/

That’s “duck, duck, duck, GREY DUCK” to you, mister.

/Actually, I always played “duck, duck, goose” as a child, too, the whole “grey duck” thing confuses me greatly

447 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:28:53pm

re: #441 Skip Intro

Buildings and airships have holsters?

Damn. It is crazy out there.

No

Harold Llloyd ,, on the biplanes wing!!

448 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 3:29:17pm

re: #443 Dr Lizardo

Where is he in the Palin photo? Is he the guy behind Palin in the tan sportjacket?

That was Oct 2013; I don’t think the Millers were in NV then.

449 Stanley Sea  Jun 10, 2014 3:29:18pm

re: #443 Dr Lizardo

Where is he in the Palin photo? Is he the guy directly Palin in the tan sportjacket?

Don’t think he’s with them there. Those are NV Club photos it appears.

450 Lidane  Jun 10, 2014 3:29:27pm

A war criminal says what?

451 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:29:30pm

re: #446 thedopefishlives

That’s “duck, duck, duck, GREY DUCK” to you, mister.

/Actually, I always played “duck, duck, goose” as a child, too, the whole “grey duck” thing confuses me greatly

1st i’ve heard of it

452 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 3:30:23pm

re: #448 Justanotherhuman

re: #449 Stanley Sea

OK. Yeah, you’re right. They didn’t move to Nevada till late last year, if I recall correctly.

453 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:30:32pm

re: #446 thedopefishlives

re: #451 sattv4u2

1st i’ve heard of it

dammit ,, now I want to go to a Chinese restaurant and order the duck!

454 allegro  Jun 10, 2014 3:31:02pm

re: #421 b.d.

I think we all can understand on why someone would want to drone the Dallas Cowboys.

Heh. I have a neighbor with a big rock under his tree with the Texans logo painted on it. Can’t pass there without my dogs peeing on it.

455 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 10, 2014 3:31:24pm

Jimmy Hoft is like sort of a hybrid between Goebbels and Bozo the clown.

456 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 3:31:30pm

re: #450 Lidane

Gee, didn’t Pat Robertson say exactly the same thing today? Are these guys all getting their talking points from Fox News now?

457 thedopefishlives  Jun 10, 2014 3:31:37pm

re: #451 sattv4u2

1st i’ve heard of it

Apparently it’s a Minnesota thing. I’d never heard of it until I moved here and my wife asked if I played “duck, duck, grey duck” as a kid. I was like, uhhh, what?

458 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 3:31:39pm

re: #453 sattv4u2

dammit ,, now I want to go to a Chinese restaurant and order the duck!

No peeking

459 Stanley Sea  Jun 10, 2014 3:32:07pm

Headed home. Catch ya’ll ltr.

Scare the shit out of the NV Oathkeepers & let em know he’s on their site.

Or not, they look kinda like G-Pa & G-Ma.

Idjits.

460 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:32:51pm

re: #458 b.d.

No peeking

flipping you the bird!!

461 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 3:33:12pm

re: #442 Justanotherhuman

Obama’s point that mental illness is basically irrelevant is a simple and good one.

The US does not have astonishingly high rates of mental illness compared to the rest of the developed world, so it is clearly insufficient as an explanation for the relatively high murder rate of the US.

We have lots of shootings in the US because guns are everywhere. There is no other reason for this.

462 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 3:33:41pm

re: #460 sattv4u2

flipping you the bird!!

Down sattv4u2

463 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:33:47pm

So now I want Peking Duck and Hersheys Peanut Butter cups

464 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 10, 2014 3:33:49pm

re: #460 sattv4u2

flipping you the bird!!

Today’s word?

465 goddamnedfrank  Jun 10, 2014 3:33:53pm

re: #408 Skip Intro

See anybody you recognize?

[Embedded image]

[Embedded image]

Nevada Oath Keepers

Notice that only one other guy in those photographs might be their age. Pretty much everyone else is two decades older. That right there should have been a warning sign, how out of place they were. People that young have no reason to be that that fucked up angry and full of revanchist dumbshitery. Too bad the Millers were probably shot in the head because it would be instructive to know if there were some kind of pathology at play, a tumor or a pheo or something driving one or both of them insane.

466 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 3:35:27pm

This is the “Spiderzilla” I was referring to. Tegenaria duellica. Presumably, it was inspecting my handiwork with the duct tape to make sure everything was up to code.

I’m putting the photo in a spoiler tag for the arachnophobes. You’ve been warned.

467 sattv4u2  Jun 10, 2014 3:35:58pm

re: #464 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Today’s word?

A-well-a, everybody’s heard about the bird
Bird, bird, bird, b-bird’s the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, the bird is the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, well, the bird is the word
A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird’s the word

468 Dr Lizardo  Jun 10, 2014 3:36:49pm

re: #455 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Jimmy Hoft is like sort of a hybrid between Goebbels and Bozo the clown.

Goebbozo.

469 goddamnedfrank  Jun 10, 2014 3:36:50pm

re: #444 Lidane

WTF is that white flag with an arrow that has text on it that says “Appeal to..”?

I don’t recognize that one.

It’s a new version of the Pine Tree flag, Appeal to Heaven.

470 Killgore Trout  Jun 10, 2014 3:36:51pm

re: #435 wrenchwench

Says Islam is a uniquely violent and otherwise bad religion.

I disagree.

You?

I hadn’t paid a whole lot of attention to his comments about Islam, quick google turns up this about the cartoon riots….
The Reality of Islam

I think he overstates his case at times, I might quibble with some of the wording but I wouldn’t expect an atheist to be supportive or sympathetic to blasphemy laws so I’m not offended. My personal view? I think Islam has its own unique set of challenges in the modern world. Isnhallah, they’ll figure it out.

471 GeneJockey  Jun 10, 2014 3:42:11pm

re: #468 Dr Lizardo

Goebbozo.

Gesundheit!

472 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 3:42:33pm

re: #470 Killgore Trout

I hadn’t paid a whole lot of attention to his comments about Islam, quick google turns up this about the cartoon riots….
The Reality of Islam

I think he overstates his case at times, I might quibble with some of the wording but I wouldn’t expect an atheist to be supportive or sympathetic to blasphemy laws so I’m not offended. My personal view? I think Islam has its own unique set of challenges in the modern world. Isnhallah, they’ll figure it out.

I find it odd when an atheist singles out one religion for opprobrium, especially if it’s not the one they were raised in.

I appreciate you sharing your personal view.

473 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 3:43:16pm

Vegas gunman made no secret of extreme views

Jerad Miller was ready to share his anti-government views with just about anyone who would listen, views that telegraphed his desire to kill police officers and his willingness to die for what he hoped would be a revolution against the government.

He told neighbors, television reporters and the Internet. Once, he threatened to attack a Nevada court while on the phone with the Indiana Bureau of Motor Vehicles.

If local or federal authorities were monitoring his online rants and increasingly sharp threats, they aren’t saying — not with police still investigating what triggered Miller and his wife to gun down two officers and a third man Sunday before taking their own lives.

Just a normal guy. Nothing about him stood out. How could anybody know what he was planning on doing?

It’s just a mystery.

washingtonpost.com

474 GeneJockey  Jun 10, 2014 3:53:34pm

I have a problem with the concept of Atheist leaders, much as I have a problem with the concept of an Atheist movement. I don’t really cotton to the idea of grouping people based on what they don’t believe, and I sure don’t want to be represented by anyone else based on shared lack of belief.

Bill Maher doesn’t embarrass me as an Atheist, because being an atheist doesn’t mean we believe the same thing. I also don’t believe in the Tooth Fairy. It doesn’t make me part of an anti-Tooth Fairy movement.

475 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 10, 2014 3:53:44pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

Dude stole your avatar

Thief!

476 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 3:55:38pm

re: #474 GeneJockey

I have a problem with the concept of Atheist leaders, much as I have a problem with the concept of an Atheist movement. I don’t really cotton to the idea of grouping people based on what they don’t believe, and I sure don’t want to be represented by anyone else based on shared lack of belief.

Bill Maher doesn’t embarrass me as an Atheist, because being an atheist doesn’t mean we believe the same thing. I also don’t believe in the Tooth Fairy. It doesn’t make me part of an anti-Tooth Fairy movement.

My leader:

Youtube Video

477 makeitstop  Jun 10, 2014 4:49:49pm

re: #450 Lidane

A war criminal says what?

[Embedded content]

That’s what they’re going with? That Obama is cray-cray?

Takes one to know one, I guess.
/


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