Eric Cantor Defeated in VA GOP Primary by Tea Party Calvinist

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The big news of the evening: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor has lost the Virginia GOP primary to Tea Party challenger Dave Brat … a Christian Reconstructionist who cites 16th century theologian John Calvin as an influence. Just what we need, another extreme right wing religious fundamentalist in Congress.

UPDATE at 6/10/14 5:32:11 pm

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322 comments

1 Amory Blaine  Jun 10, 2014 5:21:35pm

Scary to think that Cantor will probably be considered to the left of Mao by his party. We’ll be pining for the good old days when Cantors obstructionism was just boys being boys.

from downstairs

2 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 5:22:03pm

So, really, a libertarian christianist.

How does that work, again?

3 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 5:22:03pm

Party like it’s 1799

4 piratedan  Jun 10, 2014 5:22:13pm

great scalp for the Tea Party, wonder what atrocities will follow in its wake…. Also have to wonder if this may be good news for Dems because if only the true believers came out to vote for this guy, perhaps the Dems can actually peel this seat off… every little bit helps.

5 dog philosopher  Jun 10, 2014 5:23:32pm

freepers

Fox trying to now encourage Cantor to run a write-in campaign. GET LOST, FOX! Voters have rejected shamnesty and the establishment!

Thank God! Let this be a recurring theme for the other states tonight. Linda Graham is next…

DEATH TO THE GOP…! >:(

Best news to come out of VA since January 19, 1807

lolwhut?

6 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 5:24:22pm

Go scorched earth on their ass Eddie Eric. All that stuff that they are afraid to vote on? Bring it to the floor.

7 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 5:24:27pm

From Betsy Woodruff, NRO:

Brat’s background should make him especially appealing to conservative organizations. He chairs the department of economics and business at Randolph-Macon College and heads its BB&T Moral Foundations of Capitalism program. The funding for the program came from John Allison, the former CEO of BB&T (a financial-services company) who now heads the Cato Institute. The two share an affinity for Ayn Rand: Allison is a major supporter of the Ayn Rand Institute, and Brat co-authored a paper titled “An Analysis of the Moral Foundations in Ayn Rand.” Brat says that while he isn’t a Randian, he has been influenced by Atlas Shrugged and appreciates Rand’s case for human freedom and free markets.

His academic background isn’t all economics, though. Brat got a business degree from Hope College in Holland, Mich., then went to Princeton seminary. Before deciding to focus on economics, he wanted to be a professor of systematic theology and cites John Calvin, Karl Barth, and Reinhold Niebuhr as influences.

And he says his religious background informs his views on economics. “I’ve always found it amazing how we have the grand swath of the Judeo-Christian tradition, and we lost moral arguments on the major issue of our day,” he says, referring to fiscal-policy issues.

A Randian-Christian. Oh boy.

8 Zamb  Jun 10, 2014 5:24:58pm

re: #5 dog philosopher

Because we all know ideological purity is of the utmost importance to freedom.

9 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 5:24:58pm

Oh, they’re loving this over at GG’s place.

10 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 5:25:44pm
11 dog philosopher  Jun 10, 2014 5:25:54pm

freeper

Doesn’t matter what Cantor does, write-in or not. The big news is a House Majority Leader was taken out in a primary. This is HUGH and SERIES! There are many soiled Depends on Capitol Hill tonight.

HUGH AND SERIES!

12 lawhawk  Jun 10, 2014 5:26:08pm
13 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 5:27:07pm

In a sensible world, enough of the 44% that voted for Cantor in the primary would defect to the (D) candidate in the general election to prevent such extremists from getting into power.

Of course this will never happen. With the GOP, every day is ‘Party uber alles’ day.

14 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 5:27:34pm

re: #11 dog philosopher

freeper

Doesn’t matter what Cantor does, write-in or not. The big news is a House Majority Leader was taken out in a primary. This is HUGH and SERIES! There are many soiled Depends on Capitol Hill tonight.

HUGH AND SERIES!

Is that a TV show like Beavis and Butthead?

15 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 5:27:47pm
16 Amory Blaine  Jun 10, 2014 5:28:00pm
17 dog philosopher  Jun 10, 2014 5:28:10pm

Tea Party Tastes Blood, Lusts For More

believes biting former friends to death ticket to immortality

18 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 5:28:25pm

re: #7 jaunte

“Moral Foundations of Capitalism”

LOL.

19 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 10, 2014 5:28:28pm

I’ve hated Cantor ever since he wanted to tie aid to a community hit by tornados to spending cuts. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

20 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 5:30:16pm

Teacher of the Year. This shows real dedication to students.

Police: Despite being injured, teacher Todd Rispler made his way to office to start lockdown procedure during high school shooting in Troutdale, Ore. - @Oregonian live video
End of alert

21 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 5:30:30pm

HURR HURR JUICE IS ALL TEH SEEKRIT DEMOCRATS!!!!!

22 piratedan  Jun 10, 2014 5:30:37pm

well lets see how that old truism works out… that elections have consequences… by all means Mr. Brat, please tell us how we can subscribe to your newsletter and edumacate us with your ideas…..

23 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 5:31:15pm

Frank says:

The person who stands up and says, “This is stupid,” either is asked to ‘behave’ or, worse, is greeted with a cheerful “Yes, we know! Isn’t it terrific!”

24 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 5:32:07pm

re: #18 EPR-radar

“Moral Foundations of Capitalism”

LOL.

“…Allison is an ardent devotee of Ayn Rand, the philosopher and writer who counted human greed as a virtue. That’s not so unusual for a libertarian, but so intense is Allison’s devotion to Rand’s work that he has waged a campaign to make college students read it, using the power of the BB&T Charitable Foundation and millions of dollars in donations to schools to achieve his goal. ”
newyorker.com

25 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 5:32:10pm
26 Minor_L  Jun 10, 2014 5:32:20pm

re: #11 dog philosopher

That made me literally laugh out loud.

27 RandomMonster  Jun 10, 2014 5:33:53pm

LOL. Bring it on!

28 dog philosopher  Jun 10, 2014 5:34:03pm

Yay! Conservatism retook a single seat in the House. All we have to do now it retake the entire education system, every federal agency, Hollywood, the music industry, the publishing industry, a significant percentage of churches, the news industry, the Senate, and the White House.

It’ll take decades.

could it be… that… not being a wingnut is… NORMAL??!?

29 Minor_L  Jun 10, 2014 5:34:26pm

I’m glad I don’t live in VA-7, a place where Eric Freaking Cantor isn’t conservative enough.

30 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 10, 2014 5:35:17pm

I was going to have some chicken for dinner tonight, but when took it out of the fridge it didn’t smell quite right. It wasn’t “bad”, but had a slightly sour smell. I decided not to risk it…

I wimped out, took it out to the trash, and fixed a grilled ham and roast beef sandwich with cheese and chipotle mayo. All in all, not bad.

RBS

31 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 5:35:25pm

Well there you go. Raise a dog, feed him, teach him how to heel and do tricks and work and protect your interests and attack your enemies……And he winds up biting you. Well, well. You brought them in, you fed them bullshit. Now you are on the chopping block. How’s that Re-Branding going? I hear it’s going GREAT.

32 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 5:35:39pm

The teabaggers are on quite a roll. Took out a Senator last week and the House Majority leader tonight.

November is shaping up to be ugly as hell.

33 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 5:36:43pm

One hopes that this is the start of a long and destructive intra-party civil war between the GOP business-friendly establishment and the knuckle-draggers in the GOP base.

No issue is more perfectly suited for getting this festival started than immigration, since the establishment likes having people around whose labor can be more readily exploited because of legal status issues and the base is xenophobic.

34 Shvaughn  Jun 10, 2014 5:36:56pm

What does the district look like? Any possibility that this could swing Democratic?

35 teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2014 5:37:00pm

re: #7 jaunte

Reading this description of a Mr. Brat (nice last name, methinks) gives me a scintilla of hope. Maybe he’s too out there for Virginia’s 7th Congressional District and they’ll send someone else to congress.

Who the fuck am I kidding? I hope our country doesn’t turn into a theocracy in my lifetime.

36 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 5:37:51pm

re: #11 dog philosopher

freeper

Doesn’t matter what Cantor does, write-in or not. The big news is a House Majority Leader was taken out in a primary. This is HUGH and SERIES! There are many soiled Depends on Capitol Hill tonight.

HUGH AND SERIES!

HUGH & SERIES are FReeperisms from way back,

37 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 5:38:09pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

Reading this description of a Mr. Brat (nice last name, methinks) gives me a scintilla of hope. Maybe he’s too out there for Virginia’s 7th Congressional District and they’ll send someone else to congress.

Who the fuck am I kidding? I hope our country doesn’t turn into a theocracy in my lifetime.

A Randian theocracy. Isn’t that a contradiction in terms, though?

38 Zamb  Jun 10, 2014 5:38:47pm

re: #34 Shvaughn

I’ve heard it is close to the most conservative out there so I’m gonna guess no

39 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 5:38:50pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

Reading this description of a Mr. Brat (nice last name, methinks) gives me a scintilla of hope. Maybe he’s too out there for Virginia’s 7th Congressional District and they’ll send someone else to congress.

Who the fuck am I kidding? I hope our country doesn’t turn into a theocracy in my lifetime.

“Brat” is Russian for “Brother.”

Coincidence?

40 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 5:39:36pm

re: #34 Shvaughn

What does the district look like? Any possibility that this could swing Democratic?

Per Wikipedia, the 2012 presidential vote there was 57% Romney, 42% Obama.

No real chance of this district going (D) in 2014.

41 bratwurst  Jun 10, 2014 5:40:03pm
42 dog philosopher  Jun 10, 2014 5:40:53pm

House Majority Leader Unseated By Even More Right Wing Opponent

john boehner pours himself a double bourbon and thinks hard

43 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 5:41:14pm
44 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 5:41:34pm

re: #11 dog philosopher

freeper

Doesn’t matter what Cantor does, write-in or not. The big news is a House Majority Leader was taken out in a primary. This is HUGH and SERIES! There are many soiled Depends on Capitol Hill tonight.

HUGH AND SERIES!

I heard it was all over for Cantor for all intensive purpose.

45 teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2014 5:41:39pm

re: #34 Shvaughn

What does the district look like? Any possibility that this could swing Democratic?

From Wikipedia:

The district stretches from the west end of Richmond and its suburbs in Henrico and portions of Chesterfield Counties, through Orange, Culpeper and northward to Page and Rappahannock Counties. Its current configuration dates from 1993, when Virginia was forced to create a majority-minority district by a Justice Department directive. At that time, most of Richmond, which had been entirely in the old 3rd District for over a century, was shifted to a newly created 3rd District. The remaining territory in the old 3rd was combined with some more rural areas to the north to form the new 7th District.

Prior to 1993, the 7th District stretched from the fringes of the Washington, D.C. suburbs to Charlottesville. It included the far northern portion of the Shenandoah Valley, as well as Manassas and Fredericksburg.

According to the United States Census Bureau’s 2010 data for the 111th Congress, the total population of the district is 757,917. Median age for the district is 39.2 years. 74.3% of the district is White, 17.1% Black or African American, 3.9% Asian, 4.9% Hispanic or Latino, 0.3% Native American or Alaskan, and 2.1% some other race. Owner-occupied housing is 72.0% and renter-occupied housing is 28.0%. The median value of single-family owner-occupied homes is $188,400. 88.1% of the district population has at least a high school degree, 36.7% at least a bachelor’s degree or higher. 9.9% of the district are civilian veterans. 12.7% are foreign born and 20.1% speak a language other than English at home. 9.9% are of disability status. 68.2% of the district is in the labor force, which consists of those 16 years and older. Mean travel time to work is 26.2 minutes. Median household income is $64,751. Per capita income is $33,628. 5.3% of the population account for families living below the poverty level, and 7.6% of individuals live below the poverty level.

46 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 5:42:22pm

re: #37 Justanotherhuman

Interesting intersection with Calvinism:

Max Weber (1864-1920) appropriated the concept of predestination to explain the rise of capitalism as an economic system. Because no one knows exactly who will be saved, one can look only to temporal conditions as evidence of God’s favor. Thus the most faithful response to the life one is given is to care prudently for one’s resources and work diligently to show further evidence of humility and sobriety. If one accumulates wealth and property in the process of careful management of earthly resources, one can live more hopefully—and thus more faithfully. Randall Collins (1996) writes:

If one does this, turning one’s life into a calling, restricting any impulse to frivolous pleasure, one comes to experience a feeling of assurance that one is a member of the Elect. The puritan, ascetic lifestyle thus emerges as a response to the doctrine of predestination. Its effects, in turn, are to bring worldly economic activity under religious control and to harness religious motivation to a new spirit of capitalism.
hirr.hartsem.edu

47 The War TARDIS  Jun 10, 2014 5:42:50pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

$500 for each time they said it.

48 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 5:43:01pm

Worldly wealth, the only reliable sign of God’s grace.

49 Romantic Heretic  Jun 10, 2014 5:43:50pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

I regard it as much more likely that America will break up. To those of us outside the States it seems pretty obvious large swathes of the nation loathe the other people and places in it and can’t wait to leave.

I’ve been thinking for a couple of years now that might be for the best. An somewhat amicable divorce now rather than a viciously vituperative one in the future.

I can’t figure out what to do with all of the States atomic weapons though.

50 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 5:44:03pm

re: #46 jaunte

FFS. That’s just another excuse for those who have won in the lottery of life to claim it was divine favor/their inherent goodness that made it so.

51 olafmetal  Jun 10, 2014 5:44:18pm

A major part of Calvinism is the idea of predestination and the elect. Since God is all knowing and all powerful humans lack free will and cannot influence whether they go to heaven or hell. Their are some indications of who will be the elect going to heaven though. They will be the more upstanding and successful members of the community. This ties in quite well with our current political climate. Conservatives see the rich and powerful as paragons of virtue and intelligence chosen by god. That is why they constantly try to undermine the democratic process. Democracy is bad because it can potentially undermine the authority of gods chosen people.

52 Romantic Heretic  Jun 10, 2014 5:44:32pm

re: #37 Justanotherhuman

A Randian theocracy. Isn’t that a contradiction in terms, though?

Not really.

53 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 5:44:50pm

Dems better get their asses in gear fast because this is really happening now.

54 Amory Blaine  Jun 10, 2014 5:45:05pm

A snakeskin bota bag filled with Boeners tears.

55 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 5:45:29pm

re: #45 teleskiguy

From Wikipedia:

Not exactly a down-on-your-luck district. Above average, really, compared to many cong districts.

56 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 5:46:29pm
57 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 5:46:35pm

re: #51 olafmetal

Calvinism and predestination are very high on the list of fucked up ideas of all time.

58 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 5:46:59pm

re: #51 olafmetal

Welcome, hatchling.

59 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 5:47:07pm

re: #48 jaunte

Worldly wealth, the only reliable sign of God’s grace.

Fits right in with the “prosperity gospel” people, too. The ones who make a fortune preaching it, that is.

60 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 10, 2014 5:47:26pm

re: #42 dog philosopher

House Majority Leader Unseated By Even More Right Wing Opponent

john boehner pours himself a double bourbon and thinks hard

Boehner is thrilled, because Cantor was aiming for his job as speaker.

61 The War TARDIS  Jun 10, 2014 5:47:56pm

re: #49 Romantic Heretic

Except you will be stuck with Liberals and Minorities behind enemy lines, so to speak.

I think our best option is wait it out. Demographics are in the favour of the non-Tea Partiers.

Though, I do think we will go through an American Version of the Troubles.

62 Varek Raith  Jun 10, 2014 5:48:50pm

re: #29 Minor_L

I’m glad I don’t live in VA-7, a place where Eric Freaking Cantor isn’t conservative enough.

VA-10 here.

63 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 5:48:53pm
64 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 5:49:14pm

re: #48 jaunte

Worldly wealth, the only reliable sign of God’s grace.

Yeah that Jesus guy, what did he know?

65 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 5:49:28pm

EARTHQUAKE

66 Ace-o-aces  Jun 10, 2014 5:49:35pm

He’s a Calvinist? So I guess he believes the election has already been decided.

67 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 5:49:38pm

re: #57 EPR-radar

Calvinism and predestination are very high on the list of fucked up ideas of all time.

Pure evil, totally at odds with what Christianity is supposed to be about, and completely in tune with the beliefs of corporate America and the GOP base that worships it.

68 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 5:49:56pm
69 blueraven  Jun 10, 2014 5:50:54pm

Whoa. I did not see this one coming.
Hell, did anyone?

70 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 5:51:13pm
71 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 5:51:26pm
72 teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2014 5:52:18pm

OT

Hmm, it’s like LGF knows what my favorite touring rock n roll act is. There’s ads for Umphrey’s McGee’s new album “Similar Skin” that dropped today on my favorite website.

Jolly good!

The album - if you’re into heavy guitar prog with some pop sprinkled in - is really really good, probably their strongest effort in the studio to date.

73 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 5:52:39pm

The Chamber of Commerce is not pleased.

74 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 5:52:59pm

75 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 5:53:02pm

re: #69 blueraven

Whoa. I did not see this one coming.
Hell, did anyone?

Not me. Time to recalibrate the GOP Crazyometer another 10 degrees to starboard.

76 Varek Raith  Jun 10, 2014 5:53:12pm

re: #69 blueraven

Whoa. I did not see this one coming.
Hell, did anyone?

Not really, no.

77 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 5:53:17pm

BRAT
E
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S

Just sayin’.

78 teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2014 5:54:26pm

re: #51 olafmetal

A major part of Calvinism is the idea of predestination and the elect. Since God is all knowing and all powerful humans lack free will and cannot influence whether they go to heaven or hell. Their are some indications of who will be the elect going to heaven though. They will be the more upstanding and successful members of the community. This ties in quite well with our current political climate. Conservatives see the rich and powerful as paragons of virtue and intelligence chosen by god. That is why they constantly try to undermine the democratic process. Democracy is bad because it can potentially undermine the authority of gods chosen people.

Nice first post, hatchling! (is teleskiguy allowed to call hatchlings hatchlings???)

Not only is it a good first post to the discussion at hand, it’s genuinely frightening to this secular humanist.

79 jaunte  Jun 10, 2014 5:54:45pm

This is good news for Steve Stockman.

80 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 5:55:30pm
81 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 10, 2014 5:55:30pm

re: #11 dog philosopher

freeper

Doesn’t matter what Cantor does, write-in or not. The big news is a House Majority Leader was taken out in a primary. This is HUGH and SERIES! There are many soiled Depends on Capitol Hill tonight.

HUGH AND SERIES!

Well since you asked…

82 teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2014 5:55:47pm

re: #72 teleskiguy

And Charles, when I get a little better scrilla flow, I will definitely give you some money to turn the ads off, hopefully before the year ends. :D

83 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 5:56:07pm
84 dog philosopher  Jun 10, 2014 5:56:19pm

re: #60 Iwouldprefernotto

Boehner is thrilled, because Cantor was aiming for his job as speaker.

but since the reason for this was that boehner is too establishment gop - “eGOP” - and cantor was gonna fix that, how much the worse now that even cantor is no longer of the body and has been cast into the pit

85 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 10, 2014 5:56:19pm

re: #70 jaunte

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Tonight they really CAN party like it’s 1899!

86 Varek Raith  Jun 10, 2014 5:56:51pm

This is funny and sad.
Mostly sad.

87 goddamnedfrank  Jun 10, 2014 5:57:15pm
Dave will protect the rights of the unborn and the sanctity of marriage, and will oppose any governmental intrusion upon the conscience of people of faith.

So he’s basically just another ridiculous bigoted GOP slithering chunk o’ turd.

88 missliberties  Jun 10, 2014 5:58:17pm

People need to figure out that the right can win with a minority, because their base is agitated and motivated to get out and vote. They have done this all over the country, from school boards, to city council members to sheriffs. They have some secret code to motivates hard right folks to vote for ‘liberty’, while staying under the radar.

The freedom works, tea party base wins, and will spin this victory to high heaven as a signal to scare the bejesus out of moderates everywhere.

89 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 5:58:20pm
90 lawhawk  Jun 10, 2014 5:58:26pm

Cantor losing is just a false flag op to take attention off fact that right wing extremists who were Alex Jones fans were behind Las Vegas shooting. /

91 Varek Raith  Jun 10, 2014 6:00:14pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

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I wouldn’t expect a moron like him to understand why not having functioning ecosystems is a bad thing.
:(

92 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 6:00:40pm

re: #88 missliberties

People need to figure out that the right can win with a minority, because their base is agitated and motivated to get out and vote. They have done this all over the country, from school boards, to city council members to sheriffs. They have some secret code to motivates hard right folks to vote for ‘liberty’, while staying under the radar.

The freedom works, tea party base wins, and will spin this victory to high heaven as a signal to scare the bejesus out of moderates everywhere.

There’s no secret code.

Register.

Vote.

Get as many like-minded people as you can to do the same.

The wingnut ‘magic’ is in vote suppression and gerrymandering.

93 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 6:01:01pm

re: #88 missliberties

People need to figure out that the right can win with a minority, because their base is agitated and motivated to get out and vote. They have done this all over the country, from school boards, to city council members to sheriffs. They have some secret code to motivates hard right folks to vote for ‘liberty’, while staying under the radar.

The freedom works, tea party base wins, and will spin this victory to high heaven as a signal to scare the bejesus out of moderates everywhere.

And for every batshit crazy RWNJ of the GOP base, there’s another person that will vote GOP in the general elections for ‘party unity’.

94 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 6:01:26pm
95 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 6:02:12pm

re: #91 Varek Raith

I wouldn’t expect a moron like him to understand why not having functioning ecosystems is a bad thing.
:(

He’s paid to understand that we need to extract as much gas and oil as we can as fast as we can. Anything in the way is UnAmerican.

96 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 6:02:14pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

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Yippie Cantor’s gone! Huh, wait, what?

97 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 10, 2014 6:02:17pm

re: #91 Varek Raith

I wouldn’t expect a moron like him to understand why not having functioning ecosystems is a bad thing.
:(

While we were being swarmed by mosquitoes the other night a friend of mine said: “Man, wouldn’t it be cool to live on a planet to that had no bugs?”

It took me awhile to make him understand that no, it really wouldn’t.

98 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 6:03:32pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

The Kochs are so Giddy they can’t count their money right now.

99 wrenchwench  Jun 10, 2014 6:03:35pm

Later, lizards.

100 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 6:03:39pm

re: #67 Skip Intro

Pure evil, totally at odds with what Christianity is supposed to be about, and completely in tune with the beliefs of corporate America and the GOP base that worships it.

Human sacrifice may be the only religious practice that is clearly worse than predestination/Calvinism.

101 Lidane  Jun 10, 2014 6:04:02pm
102 lawhawk  Jun 10, 2014 6:04:07pm

Wait. What?

103 dog philosopher  Jun 10, 2014 6:04:15pm

The quirky challenger always knew he had a tough road to victory in the primary.

“Most of these [primary] races don’t kick in until about 30 days prior,” he said. “Now everyone’s looking, what’s the race? It’s an open primary and it’s just Eric and I on the ticket.”

well at least we know he’s vulnerable to syntactic overcorrection

“nobody expects that from a nice girl like I!”

104 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 6:05:28pm

re: #97 Eclectic Cyborg

While we were being swarmed by mosquitoes the other night a friend of mine said: “Man, wouldn’t it be cool to live on a planet to that had no bugs?”

It took me awhile to make him understand that no, it really wouldn’t.

Selective extinction of mosquitoes. I first thought of this fine idea when I was growing up in New Jersey, and the appeal really hasn’t waned since then.

105 Floral Giraffe  Jun 10, 2014 6:05:49pm

re: #99 wrenchwench

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Later, lizards.

Giggles!

106 Sionainn  Jun 10, 2014 6:05:51pm

Wasn’t this an open primary, meaning that Democrats could vote for anyone? Could that be what happened? Vote for the craziest guy so Cantor is out and having the sane guy against the crazy guy guarantees a Democrat?

107 Varek Raith  Jun 10, 2014 6:05:54pm

Take plankton out of the equation; Watch as the world collapses.
Little things, big impacts.

108 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 6:06:07pm

So, when people call themselves “Calvinists”, does that mean they’re as big an anti-Semite as John Calvin was? Among other bigotry, no doubt.

109 Varek Raith  Jun 10, 2014 6:06:18pm

re: #105 Floral Giraffe

Giggles!

I thought that was you.

110 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 6:06:18pm

re: #92 wrenchwench

There’s no secret code.

Register.

Vote.

Get as many like-minded people as you can to do the same.

The wingnut ‘magic’ is in vote suppression and gerrymandering.

Not really. The magic is getting the base so worked up with fear and anger and hatred that nothing will keep then from voting. It helps to have had 24/7 media outlets dedicated to that purpose for the last six years.

The Dems have nothing like that now, and because some Dems are disappointed in what Obama hasn’t accomplished they’re just going to sit at home and sulk while the far, far right takes over the country.

That’s my opinion, anyway.

111 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:06:34pm

Id be lying if i said i wasnt amused by this since Cantor more than any House GOP leader did what he could to create and then enable the TP wackos. But no way a Dem beats the aptly named Brat.

112 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 10, 2014 6:06:41pm

re: #101 Lidane

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That didn’t work out so well in GOT.

RBS

113 lawhawk  Jun 10, 2014 6:07:37pm

The tone deafness and extremists don’t realize they were already there. But they wanted scalps because ideological purity is paramount.

114 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 10, 2014 6:07:44pm

re: #99 wrenchwench

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Later, lizards.

That is one happy giraffe. I can hear it giggling.

RBS

115 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 6:07:48pm

re: #110 Skip Intro

Not really. The magic is getting the base so worked up with fear and anger and hatred that nothing will keep then from voting. It helps to have had 24/7 media outlets dedicated to that purpose for the last six years.

The Dems have nothing like that now, and because some Dems are disappointed in what Obama hasn’t accomplished they’re just going to sit at home and sulk while the far, far right takes over the country.

That’s my opinion, anyway.

Unfortunately, you’re more right than you might think. Or they’ll go “independent” and vote for someone like Nader.

116 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 6:07:48pm

re: #106 Sionainn

Wasn’t this an open primary, meaning that Democrats could vote for anyone? Could that be what happened? Vote for the craziest guy so Cantor is out and having the sane guy against the crazy guy guarantees a Democrat?

Nope.

117 aagcobb  Jun 10, 2014 6:08:55pm

So Eric, how did that strategy of turning Congress into the most hated institution in the country by obstructing everything and refusing to work with the President to get people employed work out for you?

118 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 6:09:54pm

re: #96 Gus

Yippie Cantor’s gone! Huh, wait, what?

Oops. Thought that was Brat. Still.

119 jamesfirecat  Jun 10, 2014 6:10:58pm

Anyone else have some spare popcorn? I suddenly seem to be all out…

120 freetoken  Jun 10, 2014 6:11:28pm
121 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 6:11:50pm

re: #119 jamesfirecat

Anyone else have some spare popcorn? I suddenly seem to be all out…

I want to see more actual damage to the GOP before I celebrate.

122 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 10, 2014 6:12:01pm

re: #110 Skip Intro

The Dems have nothing like that now, and because some Dems are disappointed in what Obama hasn’t accomplished they’re just going to sit at home and sulk while the far, far right takes over the country.

That’s my opinion, anyway.

Maybe if they took a hard look at WHY he hasn’t accomplished those things, they’d be more eager to fight back and get the vote out.

123 teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2014 6:12:14pm
124 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 6:12:20pm

It’s the Quickening. There Can Only Be One. Sooner or later the stench will seep out strong enough to wake sane people up. Don’t count on the news or newspapers to do it. Hell, they think armed seditionists with BLM agents in their gun sights are no big deal.

125 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 6:12:49pm
126 JustMark  Jun 10, 2014 6:12:57pm

Hail Hydra!

127 Lidane  Jun 10, 2014 6:13:23pm
128 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 10, 2014 6:13:32pm

re: #120 freetoken

GOP Leadership in ‘Chaos’ After Eric Cantor’s Loss

“Chaos”?

More like KAOS.

“Everyone knows it was a tough race out there. But when you have all the money in the world, spend those resources—in the long run, money usually wins out,” said the aide.

Keep drinking that kool aid and see where it gets you

129 bratwurst  Jun 10, 2014 6:14:08pm
130 Lidane  Jun 10, 2014 6:14:17pm

re: #126 JustMark

Hail Hydra!

131 aagcobb  Jun 10, 2014 6:14:49pm

re: #115 Justanotherhuman

Unfortunately, you’re more right than you might think. Or they’ll go “independent” and vote for someone like Nader.

I don’t think so. Eight years of George Bush taught everyone a lesson. Yes the GOP may win control of the Senate this year, but the GOP is collapsing in on itself like a black hole and in 2016 I expect Hillary to win the presidency and the Democrats to regain control of the Senate.

132 Zamb  Jun 10, 2014 6:15:07pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

Nobody ever said reading comprehension was high on the list of skills evangelicals hold. Just look at their version of the bible

133 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 6:15:23pm

Wow. Just wow. STUPIDEST GUN-FUCKING MEME OF THE DAY:

134 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 6:15:36pm
135 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 6:15:49pm
136 freetoken  Jun 10, 2014 6:15:52pm

re: #131 aagcobb

It takes 61 seats to control the US Senate, and I doubt any party will reach that anytime soon.

137 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:15:57pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

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People who only read Ayn Rand’s rationalizations for greed but ignore the parts where she totally disagrees with them about individual freedom. But yeah it’s a weird construct.

138 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 6:16:25pm

HAIL BEES!

139 jamesfirecat  Jun 10, 2014 6:16:35pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

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When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro…

140 dr. luba  Jun 10, 2014 6:16:36pm

“What is up with these so-called ‘Tea Party Ayn Rand libertarians’ who are also extreme religious fundamentalists?”

Well, you need an excuse for the extreme selfishness, and Jesus sure isn’t going to provide it.

141 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 6:16:47pm

re: #120 freetoken

GOP Leadership in ‘Chaos’ After Eric Cantor’s Loss

“Chaos”?

More like KAOS.

Think of the craziest GOP Congressperson there is and say “Hi” to the new majority leader.

142 goddamnedfrank  Jun 10, 2014 6:16:50pm

What’s instructive here is that this was a comparatively high turnout election to 2012, and that in a off year primary Cantor seems to have lost primarily because he didn’t hate immigrants enough. He didn’t schedule any votes on immigration reform, but at least on paper he gave wishy washy sentiments of approval for some nebulous version of the DREAM Act and allowing foreign citizen veterans of our military gain legal status. He obstructed actual immigration reform efforts at pretty much every turn, but Brat was able to paint him as an amnesty supporting liberal because Cantor didn’t back up his obstruction with vocal expressions of hate.

So, seriously, fuck the Republican party. Fuck it right in the neck.

143 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:16:58pm

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

Wow. Just wow. STUPIDEST GUN-FUCKING MEME OF THE DAY:

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I thought teachers were indoctrinators.

144 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 6:17:31pm

re: #131 aagcobb

I don’t think so. Eight years of George Bush taught everyone a lesson. Yes the GOP may win control of the Senate this year, but the GOP is collapsing in on itself like a black hole and in 2016 I expect Hillary to win the presidency and the Democrats to regain control of the Senate.

I dunno. You’re a lot more optimistic than I am. I actually thought GWB would never be elected twice after he got us in 2 wars.

145 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 6:17:40pm

re: #120 freetoken

GOP Leadership in ‘Chaos’ After Eric Cantor’s Loss

“Chaos”?

More like KAOS.

PROFESSOR CHAOS

146 urbanmeemaw  Jun 10, 2014 6:17:41pm

re: #100 EPR-radar

Human sacrifice may be the only religious practice that is clearly worse than predestination/Calvinism.

Don’t give them any ideas, please!

147 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 6:17:42pm

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

They should train one child in each Kindergarten class on up to 12th grade to be a marksman, like Sky Marshalls. Armed and ready and the killers will never know what kid it is. There is your fucking rational.

148 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 6:17:44pm

re: #136 freetoken

It takes 61 seats to control the US Senate, and I doubt any party will reach that anytime soon.

It only takes 51 seats for any party with the nerve to dispense with the filibuster. I can’t really see a Republican Senate allowing the Democrats to filibuster anything.

149 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 6:17:57pm

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

Wow. Just wow. STUPIDEST GUN-FUCKING MEME OF THE DAY:

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Hey, wait. Where’d that gun come from, and how did she learn to draw, aim and fire at the speed of light?

150 aagcobb  Jun 10, 2014 6:18:03pm

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

Wow. Just wow. STUPIDEST GUN-FUCKING MEME OF THE DAY:

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Three good guys with guns died this weekend. Moar gunz isn’t a solution to gun violence.

151 jamesfirecat  Jun 10, 2014 6:18:13pm

re: #135 Gus

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And here I always thought Lex Luthor being a billionare capitalist who runs a mega huge company and can’t stand to see himself shown up by an immigrant had a decidedly conservative bent…

152 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 6:18:26pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

I thought teachers were indoctrinators.

YOONYUN THUGS!!!!!!

153 dr. luba  Jun 10, 2014 6:18:59pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

People who only read Ayn Rand’s rationalizations for greed but ignore the parts where she totally disagrees with them about individual freedom. But yeah it’s a weird construct.

They treat Ayn Rand like they treat the Bible: pick and chose the parts you like, and ignore the inconvenient bits (like all the stuff about charity and helping the poor and the rich not entering heaven).

154 Lidane  Jun 10, 2014 6:19:03pm
155 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:19:06pm

re: #150 aagcobb

Three good guys with guns died this weekend. Moar gunz isn’t a solution to gun violence.

Thank you. Enough of this “All we need is more guns” bullshit. If it were as simple as more people being armed, cops being shot in the line of duty would be unheard of but guess what it, it still does happen.

156 aagcobb  Jun 10, 2014 6:19:17pm

re: #136 freetoken

It takes 61 seats to control the US Senate, and I doubt any party will reach that anytime soon.

Good point, though I think its “only” 60.

157 Lidane  Jun 10, 2014 6:19:32pm
158 Swift2991  Jun 10, 2014 6:19:36pm

So…since he believes he’s a member of the Elect, he won’t have to be elected again? “Double election” not right!

159 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:20:23pm

re: #157 Lidane

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Well we did have a GOP that gave Rick Santorum a silver medal and Mike Huckabee a bronze medal.

160 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:21:08pm

Really though. Although I am darkly amused by this development. It does show you how fucked up the Republican Party is getting.

161 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 6:21:16pm
162 dr. luba  Jun 10, 2014 6:21:25pm

DougJ at Balloon Juice noted that “Maybe it’s wrong to read too much into this, but there’s been only one surprising upset in the Republican primaries and….Eric cantor is the only Jewish member of the GOP House caucus.”

163 palomino  Jun 10, 2014 6:21:29pm

Hilarious. Obama certainly won’t miss Cantor. He’s been a total pain in his ass. Then again, the new Majority Leader will probably be even worse.

This is a pretty big deal. IIRC, the last time someone in such a high leadership position in the House lost his seat was Speaker Tom Foley, 20 years ago. But that was arguably less surprising, since he lost to a member of the opposing party…not an even more extreme ideologue in his own party.

The irony is that Cantor positioned himself to the right of Boehner, partly in the hopes of becoming Speaker someday. But apparently he didn’t position himself FAR right enough to get the nod in his own district, which he’s served over a decade. Cantor was already one of the gop’s most aggressive anti-Obama/anti-Dem attack dogs. How much more right wing would he have to be to satisfy the voters in his district?

164 freetoken  Jun 10, 2014 6:21:32pm

re: #156 aagcobb

Good point, though I think its “only” 60.

Inevitably someone doesn’t show, or needs to vote contra to the party line for local political reasons.

165 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 6:21:35pm

Dave Brat is a gun-fucker. Who’da thunk?

166 missliberties  Jun 10, 2014 6:21:39pm

Q. Who in the GOP is going to have the leadership and guts to call out these right wing radical extremists?

A. No one.

Arlen Specter’s advice was quit the GOP and run as an Independent, because the GOP is to radical.

Ask Senator Angus King who denounced the GOP and won as and Independent in Maine

167 aagcobb  Jun 10, 2014 6:21:55pm

re: #144 Justanotherhuman

I dunno. You’re a lot more optimistic than I am. I actually thought GWB would never be elected twice after he got us in 2 wars.

But his last win was 10 years ago, and the presidential electorate is a lot less white now than it was then. Seriously, where is the GOP going to get the votes to defeat Hillary? She’d have to lose whites by four more points than Obama did for the GOP candidate to even have a chance.

168 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 6:22:24pm

re: #142 goddamnedfrank

What’s instructive here is that this was a comparatively hight turnout election to 2012, and that in a off year primary Cantor seems to have lost primarily because he didn’t hate immigrants enough. He didn’t schedule any votes on immigration reform, but at least on paper he gave wishy washy sentiments of approval for some nebulous version of the DREAM Act and allowing foreign citizen veterans of our military gain legal status. He obstructed actual immigration reform efforts at pretty much every turn, but Brat was able to paint him as an amnesty supporting liberal because Cantor didn’t back up his obstruction with vocal expressions of hate.

So seriously, fuck the Republican party. Fuck it right in the neck.

This x100. Cantor gave the Teabaggers damn near everything they wanted on substance, but he was voted out purely for not being hateful enough in his rhetoric.

Any takers on a bet for when the first ‘2 minutes of hate’ or reasonable facsimile thereof will air at a GOP convention?

2016 seems about right to me.

169 ObserverArt  Jun 10, 2014 6:22:42pm

This thread is moving fast and I haven’t had a chance to catch up, so if this has already been discussed, sorry.

I think this election stunner is more about Cantor’s district turning against him. They wanted him gone. It’s the old throw the bum out move. Two things point to that to me.

1. The dude that beat him only ran on the immigration issues. I don’t think that was enough to dump a guy like Cantor. There had to be some disappointment with Cantor overall.

2. Turnout was low. People are not going out to support Cantor…in a Republican district. Says a lot.

My summation. If the Dems have a decent candidate, I think they can make a run for it in that district. Again…throw the bum out also means we want someone new. The floor is open to sell those folks in Virginia that a nice level headed centrist Democrat can work for you. The other guy…Brat…he may too much for the people too, but was enough to take down Cantor which may have been the important goal of the voters.

And, I wonder what Reince Priebus is up to tonight?

170 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 6:23:57pm
171 Lidane  Jun 10, 2014 6:24:09pm
172 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:24:19pm

re: #163 palomino

Hilarious. Obama certainly won’t miss Cantor. He’s been a total pain in his ass. Then again, the new Majority Leader will probably be even worse.

This is a pretty big deal. IIRC, the last time someone in such a high leadership position in the House lost his seat was Speaker Tom Foley, 20 years ago. But that was arguably less surprising, since he lost to a member of the opposing party…not an even more extreme ideologue in his own party.

The irony is that Cantor positioned himself to the right of Boehner, partly in the hopes of becoming Speaker someday. But apparently he didn’t position himself FAR right enough to get the nod in his own district, which he’s served over a decade. Cantor was already one of the gop’s most aggressive anti-Obama/anti-Dem attack dogs. How much more right wing would he have to be to satisfy the voters in his district?

I think what Cantor’s defeat does show you is how extremely nuts the GOP base has become. I am with Frank. Cantor never actually supported or did anything meaningful on immigration reform but it seems that he was defeated for not being openly hateful enough. It’s scary to me honestly the direction that party’s going and knowing they could get the Senate next year or worse the presidency in three years.

173 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:25:08pm

re: #171 Lidane

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I guess being a poseur has its benefits but I think Graham benefited from having no united opposition against him unlike Cochran.

174 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 6:25:28pm
175 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 10, 2014 6:25:28pm

I think with the loss of Cantor, every single GOP Senator and Rep is Christian.

He was the only GOP Jewish congressperson.

Getting whiter ever day.

176 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 6:25:48pm

Dave Brat won because he pandered to the xenophobic right.

177 missliberties  Jun 10, 2014 6:25:48pm

re: #162 dr. luba

DougJ at Balloon Juice noted that “Maybe it’s wrong to read too much into this, but there’s been only one surprising upset in the Republican primaries and….Eric cantor is the only Jewish member of the GOP House caucus.”

Neo-Nazi’s tend to not think that highly of the Jewz.

178 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 6:25:51pm
179 GeneJockey  Jun 10, 2014 6:26:09pm

re: #141 Skip Intro

Think of the craziest GOP Congressperson there is and say “Hi” to the new majority leader.

Steve fucking Stockman.

180 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 6:26:41pm

re: #170 Gus

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“Take your country back” to what? The Reformation?

181 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:26:58pm

re: #175 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I think with the loss of Cantor, every single GOP Senator and Rep is Christian.

He was the only GOP Jewish congressperson.

Getting whiter ever day.

Almost 100% certain you’re correct about that. Once Specter switched parties and Coleman got defeated by Franken, there were no more Republican Jews in the senate. Really there’s only one country whose representatives are reflective of our country as a whole.

182 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 10, 2014 6:27:25pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

Dave Brat won because he pandered to the xenophobic right.

The xenophobic and Christian right.

183 Lidane  Jun 10, 2014 6:27:46pm
184 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 6:28:09pm

re: #169 ObserverArt

And, I wonder what Reince Priebus is up to tonight?

He should be reading Frankenstein and thinking long and hard about the relevance of that story to the GOP.

185 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 10, 2014 6:28:16pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

Almost 100% certain you’re correct about that. Once Specter switched parties and Coleman got defeated by Franken, there were no more Republican Jews in the senate. Really there’s only one country whose representatives are reflective of our country as a whole.

There’s still time to edit and fix it.

But yeah, the GOP is amazingly undiverse, to the point where they, on their own as an organization, prove a lot of things about structural and institutional racism.

186 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 6:28:41pm
187 The War TARDIS  Jun 10, 2014 6:29:23pm

re: #154 Lidane

It occurs to me that this is like a Cultural Revolution on the Republican side, though instead of young people, it is a bunch racist, cowardly 40+ers.

Democrats need to get their butts in gear unless they want to be targeted in the same way.

188 missliberties  Jun 10, 2014 6:29:35pm

re: #165 Pie-onist Overlord

These are the folks that get out and vote in low turn out primaries. The angrier they are the more likely they will check the ballots box. We have to admit that the far right is doing a good job of motivating their base, no matter how much we mock them.

189 Gus  Jun 10, 2014 6:29:36pm
190 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:29:37pm

re: #183 Lidane

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The way they’re going, Hispanic voters could end up as strongly Democratic as African Americans. I’m going to be really amused with that meaning the GOP being a regional party due to their own bigotry. They’ve certainly come a long way from Bush speaking Spanish on the campaign trail, that’s for sure.

191 Targetpractice  Jun 10, 2014 6:29:57pm

I take the afternoon off from politics to catch up with my XCOM game, come back, and find out that the GOP’s monster claimed another victim. Can’t say I’ll be sorry to see Eric go.

192 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 6:30:23pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

The way they’re going, Hispanic voters could end up as strongly Democratic as African Americans. I’m going to be really amused with that meaning the GOP being a regional party due to their own bigotry. They’ve certainly come a long way from Bush speaking Spanish on the campaign trail, that’s for sure.

Let the CA GOP serve as a model for the nation.

193 Zamb  Jun 10, 2014 6:30:28pm

re: #169 ObserverArt

Um no. Those points demonstrate a one issue election the side driven by irrational hatred turn out, others stay home. you’d likely need more than one race to have any kind of evidence for a throw the bums out

194 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:30:55pm

re: #185 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

There’s still time to edit and fix it.

But yeah, the GOP is amazingly undiverse, to the point where they, on their own as an organization, prove a lot of things about structural and institutional racism.

Definitely. I think the problem lies in them pandering to Christian fundamentalists for years who seem to think this country is only for Christian fundamentalists. The whole “Christian nation” stuff we’ve seen pushed for some time now is rearing its ugly head.

195 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 10, 2014 6:31:22pm

re: #191 Targetpractice

I take the afternoon off from politics to catch up with my XCOM game, come back, and find out that the GOP’s monster claimed another victim. Can’t say I’ll be sorry to see Eric go.

ah… so it is your fault. This will be noted in your permanent record, and will follow you for life.

RBS

196 Targetpractice  Jun 10, 2014 6:31:50pm

re: #195 RealityBasedSteve

ah… so it is your fault. This will be noted in your permanent record, and will follow you for life.

RBS

Damnit, there go my plans to be a fighter pilot.

197 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 6:33:00pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Definitely. I think the problem lies in them pandering to Christian fundamentalists for years who seem to think this country is only for Christian fundamentalists. The whole “Christian nation” stuff we’ve seen pushed for some time now is rearing its ugly head.

It is high time for some of the evangelicals to get all “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God” in relation to this disgusting prosperity gospel heresy/blasphemy.

198 dog philosopher  Jun 10, 2014 6:33:21pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

Dave Brat won because he pandered to the xenophobic right.

instantly now every word that comes out of his mouth will be much louder that he has ever experienced in his entire life

tomorrow it will be wall to wall brat

199 teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2014 6:33:27pm

re: #165 Pie-onist Overlord

Gun-fucker. I’m going to use this later. And I own guns!

200 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 6:33:47pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

I guess being a poseur has its benefits but I think Graham benefited from having no united opposition against him unlike Cochran.

That and having six or so teabaggers splitting the vote is exactly what happened.

Cochran’s another matter. Here’s a guy who could hardly be more conservative, yet he loses his primary to the guy who has his wife filmed in a dementia unit, and the GOP base is fine with that.

These are crazy, hate filled people, particularly in the South.

201 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2014 6:33:52pm
202 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:34:15pm

re: #197 EPR-radar

It is high time for some of the evangelicals to get all “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God” in relation to this disgusting prosperity gospel heresy/blasphemy.

Jonathan Edwards or Cotton Mather right? Either way, both of those would be deemed too “progressive.” Honestly current GOP/Fundamentalist Christian political and spiritual ideology is a bizzaro marriage of the worst elements of Objectivism and Theocracy.

203 lawhawk  Jun 10, 2014 6:34:57pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Really though. Although I am darkly amused by this development. It does show you how fucked up the Republican Party is getting.

Is getting? It’s gone. There. Way past irrational.

The hate is strong with them. That’s what’s driving this. Hate. Hate of Obama and anything even remotely associated with Obama’s agenda or issues where GOPers might even consider a deal on governing.

Heck, Slate was running a story about how a GOPer has what they consider to be a superior student loan fix proposal to that which Elizabeth Warren has proffered.

Obama could make it his centerpiece for legislative intentions this year, and the GOP would turn on it on a dime and call it everything from reprehensible and unconscionable to unconstitutional, even though it was a GOPer who proposed it and there’s a record overseas of seeing it work. It was the same with ACA; they opposed even even though it came from their own think tanks.

204 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:35:29pm

re: #203 lawhawk

Is getting? It’s gone. There. Way past irrational.

The hate is strong with them. That’s what’s driving this. Hate. Hate of Obama and anything even remotely associated with Obama’s agenda or issues where GOPers might even consider a deal on governing.

Heck, Slate was running a story about how a GOPer has what they consider to be a superior student loan fix proposal to that which Elizabeth Warren has proffered.

Obama could make it his centerpiece for legislative intentions this year, and the GOP would turn on it on a dime and call it everything from reprehensible and unconscionable to unconstitutional, even though it was a GOPer who proposed it and there’s a record overseas of seeing it work. It was the same with ACA; they opposed even even though it came from their own think tanks.

True, it’s gotten fucked up and has been for some time now.

205 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 6:35:34pm

re: #200 Skip Intro

That and having six or so teabaggers splitting the vote is exactly what happened.

Cochran’s another matter. Here’s a guy who could hardly be more conservative, yet he loses his primary to the guy who has his wife filmed in a dementia unit, and the GOP base is fine with that.

These are crazy, hate filled people, particularly in the South.

The South honed its teeth on hatred of The Other.

206 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 6:35:56pm

re: #179 GeneJockey

Steve fucking Stockman.

I thought he was done this year. Still, there are plenty of other really bad choices from Texas.

I wonder if Michelle Bachmann regrets hanging it up this year? It could have been her.

207 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 6:36:01pm

Go write in Eric!!! Don’t go out like this!!!

..

208 palomino  Jun 10, 2014 6:36:18pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

I think what Cantor’s defeat does show you is how extremely nuts the GOP base has become. I am with Frank. Cantor never actually supported or did anything meaningful on immigration reform but it seems that he was defeated for not being openly hateful enough. It’s scary to me honestly the direction that party’s going and knowing they could get the Senate next year or worse the presidency in three years.

I don’t know a great deal about the political climate of VA-07. But the population in the district is 75% white, only 4% Asian and 5% Hispanic. What the hell are the residents there so freaked out about? They haven’t been “overwhelmed by the inferior dusky hordes of foreign lands.”

209 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 6:36:38pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

Jonathan Edwards or Cotton Mather right? Either way, both of those would be deemed too “progressive.” Honestly current GOP/Fundamentalist Christian political and spiritual ideology is a bizzaro marriage of the worst elements of Objectivism and Theocracy.

“Sinners…” was Edwards, who was Calvinist IIRC. However, prosperity gospel is a bit too blatant about the Mammon worship, even for Calvinists (I would hope).

210 Targetpractice  Jun 10, 2014 6:36:57pm

The irony of ironies is, IIRC, Boehner won his primary. So the boy who would be king got knocked off while the guy the party base hates with a passion will at least have a shot at another term.

211 danarchy  Jun 10, 2014 6:37:02pm

re: #169 ObserverArt

My summation. If the Dems have a decent candidate, I think they can make a run for it in that district. Again…throw the bum out also means we want someone new. The floor is open to sell those folks in Virginia that a nice level headed centrist Democrat can work for you. The other guy…Brat…he may too much for the people too, but was enough to take down Cantor which may have been the important goal of the voters.

And, I wonder what Reince Priebus is up to tonight?

Looks like there is no Democrat nominee. Something about failing to register on time or something. He will be running as a write in which isn’t promising.

ballotpedia.org

Edit: I think I caught them in an update, I have 2 windows open one has no democrat listed, the other says there is a Democrat named Jake Trammell who will be on the ballot.

212 GeneJockey  Jun 10, 2014 6:37:10pm

re: #207 b.d.

Go write in Eric!!! Don’t go out like this!!!

..

Yeah! Losing in a primary wasn’t humiliating enough!
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213 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 10, 2014 6:37:10pm

re: #200 Skip Intro

That and having six or so teabaggers splitting the vote is exactly what happened.

Cochran’s another matter. Here’s a guy who could hardly be more conservative, yet he loses his primary to the guy who has his wife filmed in a dementia unit, and the GOP base is fine with that.

These are crazy, hate filled people, particularly in the South.

To be fair Cochran hasn’t technically lost yet. There’s a runoff here in two weeks time to determine his fate.

214 teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2014 6:37:16pm

re: #171 Lidane

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The Tea Party is Dead!!!

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215 dog philosopher  Jun 10, 2014 6:37:27pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

An Ayn Rand libertarian who “cites John Calvin, Karl Barth, and Reinhold Niebuhr as influences”

total virginia demographic, total

but how is he gonna handle questions about karl barth’s relationship with charlotte von kirschbaum???

216 KiTA  Jun 10, 2014 6:37:36pm

HAHAHAHA.

Oh wow. What are the odds that seat goes blue now?

217 GeneJockey  Jun 10, 2014 6:38:01pm

re: #208 palomino

I don’t know a great deal about the political climate of VA-07. But the population in the district is 75% white, only 4% Asian and 5% Hispanic. What the hell are the residents there so freaked out about? They haven’t been “overwhelmed by the inferior dusky hordes of foreign lands.”

Probably that hispanics are up to 5%.

218 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 6:38:35pm

re: #216 KiTA

HAHAHAHA.

Oh wow. What are the odds that seat goes blue now?

Low. Let’s be realistic. Plus it looks like the Democrats screwed up and will need to be a write-in as opposed to being on the ballot.

219 Targetpractice  Jun 10, 2014 6:38:43pm

re: #208 palomino

I don’t know a great deal about the political climate of VA-07. But the population in the district is 75% white, only 4% Asian and 5% Hispanic. What the hell are the residents there so freaked out about? They haven’t been “overwhelmed by the inferior dusky hordes of foreign lands.”

As long as I’ve lived in this state, the white throughout have lived in constant fear that the “illegals” are coming to take over their cities and towns, marry their daughters, take their jobs, and playing mariachi music at all hours of the night.

220 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 10, 2014 6:38:56pm

The GOP has no non-Christian Governors, either. I don’t think they have any non-Christians in the leadership.

They should change their name and put ‘Christian’ in there.

221 GeneJockey  Jun 10, 2014 6:39:16pm

re: #218 EPR-radar

Low. Let’s be realistic. Plus it looks like the Democrats screwed up and will need to be a write-in as opposed to being on the ballot.

Let’s hope his name is easy to spell!

222 lawhawk  Jun 10, 2014 6:39:17pm

re: #216 KiTA

HAHAHAHA.

Oh wow. What are the odds that seat goes blue now?

Under 5%. The seat has reliably gone GOP since 1996.

223 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:39:28pm

re: #208 palomino

I don’t know a great deal about the political climate of VA-07. But the population in the district is 75% white, only 4% Asian and 5% Hispanic. What the hell are the residents there so freaked out about? They haven’t been “overwhelmed by the inferior dusky hordes of foreign lands.”

In my observations, those who flip out most about immigration are those furthest removed from it. I’ve noticed the same thing about freak outs about Islam and “creeping Sharia law” to bring up a similar trope. As for the district, it’s a solidly conservative district. Richmond suburbs.

224 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 6:39:59pm

re: #213 Eclectic Cyborg

To be fair Cochran hasn’t technically lost yet. There’s a runoff here in two weeks time to determine his fate.

So how do you think it will play out?

225 GeneJockey  Jun 10, 2014 6:40:05pm

re: #220 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The GOP has no non-Christian Governors, either. I don’t think they have any non-Christians in the leadership.

They should change their name and put ‘Christian’ in there.

Well, at least now they can drop the ‘Judeo-Christian’ fig leaf.

226 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 6:40:10pm
227 kirkspencer  Jun 10, 2014 6:40:27pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

In my observations, those who flip out most about immigration are those furthest removed from it. I’ve noticed the same thing about freak outs about Islam and “creeping Sharia law” to bring up a similar trope. As for the district, it’s a solidly conservative district. Richmond suburbs.

Yep. White flight refuge.

228 darthstar  Jun 10, 2014 6:40:45pm
229 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 10, 2014 6:40:48pm

re: #189 Gus

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If he actually does anything in Congress that in any way helps the government function, he won’t be conservative enough. If he simply attempts to obstruct every single piece of legislation unless it’s made into an ultra-right-wing fantasy, he’ll stay on. That’s their end game: bring down the government.

I mean, have you listened to them? The US Government, they hate that thing. It’s their main enemy.

230 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 6:41:33pm

re: #228 darthstar

He’s an egg?

231 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 6:42:18pm

re: #188 missliberties

These are the folks that get out and vote in low turn out primaries. The angrier they are the more likely they will check the ballots box. We have to admit that the far right is doing a good job of motivating their base, no matter how much we mock them.

232 GeneJockey  Jun 10, 2014 6:42:30pm

re: #229 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

If he actually does anything in Congress that in any way helps the government function, he won’t be conservative enough. If he simply attempts to obstruct every single piece of legislation unless it’s made into an ultra-right-wing fantasy, he’ll stay on. That’s their end game: bring down the government.

I mean, have you listened to them? The US Government, they hate that thing. It’s their main enemy.

That’s because it gains it authority from the just consent of the governed, as opposed to just a small segment of the governed.

233 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 6:42:34pm

re: #229 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

If he actually does anything in Congress that in any way helps the government function, he won’t be conservative enough. If he simply attempts to obstruct every single piece of legislation unless it’s made into an ultra-right-wing fantasy, he’ll stay on. That’s their end game: bring down the government.

I mean, have you listened to them? The US Government, they hate that thing. It’s their main enemy.

Precisely. They really should adopt The Joker as the party mascot. “Let it burn” is the GOP response to pretty much everything except unconditional surrender.

234 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 10, 2014 6:43:18pm
235 darthstar  Jun 10, 2014 6:43:26pm

re: #230 Skip Intro

He’s an egg?

Unfertilized.

236 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 10, 2014 6:43:52pm

re: #110 Skip Intro

Not really. The magic is getting the base so worked up with fear and anger and hatred that nothing will keep then from voting. It helps to have had 24/7 media outlets dedicated to that purpose for the last six years.

The Dems have nothing like that now, and because some Dems are disappointed in what Obama hasn’t accomplished they’re just going to sit at home and sulk while the far, far right takes over the country.

That’s my opinion, anyway.

That happened in 2010.

237 darthstar  Jun 10, 2014 6:44:04pm
238 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 6:44:25pm

re: #229 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I mean, have you listened to them? The US Government, they hate that thing. It’s their main enemy.

And true to form, the media continues to pretend that that isn’t the case at all.

239 GeneJockey  Jun 10, 2014 6:44:38pm

re: #233 EPR-radar

Precisely. They really should adopt The Joker as the party mascot. “Let it burn” is the GOP response to pretty much everything except unconditional surrender.

But, you know, both sides have their extremists, and it’s nasty rhetoric like this that keeps us from being able to work together to solve America’s problems.
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That is, no shit, what an old High School friend told me on FB today. I think the Magical Balance Fairy shoved her wand so far up his ass he could see it winking at him when he brushed his teeth.

240 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:44:48pm

re: #234 Pie-onist Overlord

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Truly a prick move. That’s the kind of thing that makes me glad even though Brat will be even worse makes me glad that Cantor won’t be around anymore and got beaten by the machine of hatred and know-nothing politics he helped to ferment.

241 Blue Fielder  Jun 10, 2014 6:44:59pm

Alles Lookenpeepers!

I’d like to remind all present that There. Is. No. Tea. Party.

It doesn’t matter if they dress up in Colonial Williamsburg secondhand outfits, hang Lipton bags from their cheap Chinese-made tricornes, and strut around yelling about “taking our country back” and “watering the tree of liberty” (then nervously look away every time another of their own takes that to its illogical conclusion and murders yet more Americans in yet another terroristic rampage)…
Or if they never considered themselves anything besides the old guard, just stopped long enough to burn their uniforms like the soldiers fleeing Berlin ahead of the Allied tanks after it became clear that George W. Bush, who they swear they’ve never heard of, and all his “compassionate conservative” crew of vipers and thieves, were no longer unassailable paragons of leadership…

They’re the same people.
The same voter base.
The same group of stupid, reactionary, bigoted, xenophobic, hateful, misogynistic, racist, greedy, selfish, revanchist, fundamentalist, elitist, nativist, denialist, nihilist fuckstains that destroyed our economy and our industrial base in the 80s, destroyed an elected president in the 90s, destroyed two countries - the US and Iraq - in the 00s, and is now trying to destroy yet another elected president and will get away with it because of the stupid, reactionary, bigoted, xenophobic, hateful, misogynistic, racist, greedy, selfish, revanchist, fundamentalist, elitist, nativist, denialist, nihilist fuckstains who grunt that everything was fine until That Goddamned Negro dared to step into the White People’s House, and now everything is ruined and it’s All His Fault.

There. Is. No. Tea. Party.
There never was.

242 palomino  Jun 10, 2014 6:45:19pm

I can’t feel too sorry for Cantor. He helped build the out of control machine that just took him down.

243 Justanotherhuman  Jun 10, 2014 6:45:41pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

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I can’t find anything definitive about Brat’s religion, but he attended this college before going to divinity school at Princeton. It’s associated with the Reformed Church in America.

hope.edu

Possibly he “converted” to Catholicism as a convenience to his wife and kids or just attends church with them.

244 thedopefishlives  Jun 10, 2014 6:46:02pm

Evening again, Lizardim. I meant to ask this earlier, before I left, but I ran out of time: Would one who tweets derp be rightfully called a twerp?

245 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 6:46:36pm

re: #242 palomino

I can’t feel too sorry for Cantor. He helped build the out of control machine that just took him down.

I don’t think anyone feels sorry for Cantor. I feel sorry for what people like him have unleashed upon the country.

246 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:46:40pm

re: #242 palomino

I can’t feel too sorry for Cantor. He helped build the out of control machine that just took him down.

Right, that’s why I don’t feel bad for him at all. He more than any member of the GOP leadership pandered to these asses and then once he became Majority Leader did their water carrying. Cantor got what he deserved for valuing the TP’s interests over the the rest of the country’s.

247 Mentis Fugit  Jun 10, 2014 6:47:04pm

re: #13 EPR-radar

In a sensible world, enough of the 44% that voted for Cantor in the primary would defect to the (D) candidate in the general election to prevent such extremists from getting into power.

Of course this will never happen. With the GOP, every day is ‘Party uber alles’ day.

PARTEI VOR LAND!!1!

248 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 10, 2014 6:48:17pm

re: #224 Skip Intro

So how do you think it will play out?

It’s too close to call. After the initial voting Chris McDaniel (the tea party guy) was leading Cochran by about 1500 votes but there was a third GOP guy on the ballot that I think got around 6000 votes. Wherever those votes shift to will determine who wins the runoff. I’m not sure how “Tea Party” the 3rd guy was so I’m not sure how many of the votes for him will shift in that direction.

I do know however that McDaniels’ campaign, as well as some PACs have been working hard to convince us that Cochran is a bleeding heart liberal. I’ve seen mailers painting him as “Obama’s best buddy” and the one that came yesterday was scolding Cochran for having the audacity to vote 27 times to raise the debt ceiling since he took office.

If you’re asking for a gut instinct call? McDaniel. I think he’ll pull it out.

249 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 6:49:05pm

The Willard Romney Effect.

Cantor internal poll claims 34-point lead over primary opponent Brat

washingtonpost.com

250 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 6:49:27pm

re: #239 GeneJockey

But, you know, both sides have their extremists, and it’s nasty rhetoric like this that keeps us from being able to work together to solve America’s problems.
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That is, no shit, what an old High School friend told me on FB today. I think the Magical Balance Fairy shoved her wand so far up his ass he could see it winking at him when he brushed his teeth.

There is no point to bipartisan effort in the US at this time. The GOP has been taken over by the forces of greed, hatred, bigotry of all kinds, and just plain viciousness to become a blight upon the nation.

Nothing can be done until this infection is lanced.

251 thedopefishlives  Jun 10, 2014 6:49:29pm

re: #249 Skip Intro

The Willard Romney Effect.

>Cantor internal poll claims 34-point lead over primary opponent Brat

washingtonpost.com

D’ya think they’ll start trying to figure out where their internal polls are going wrong?

252 palomino  Jun 10, 2014 6:49:55pm

re: #241 Blue Fielder

I think you’re essentially right. The TP was the gop’s temper tantrum, and their only attempt at rebranding. Just slap a new name and package on the same old shit, take a step to the right as you cower in fear, and you’re a tea partier. Never really much substantive difference between TP and conservative gop.

253 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:50:02pm

re: #249 Skip Intro

The Willard Romney Effect.

Cantor internal poll claims 34-point lead over primary opponent Brat

washingtonpost.com

I guess Eric Cantor shouldn’t have hired the unskewed guy to do his polls.

254 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 6:50:35pm

Well if they could attach a turbine to Barry Goldwaters’ corpse, it would be spinning fast enough to power a small town.

255 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 6:51:08pm

re: #251 thedopefishlives

D’ya think they’ll start trying to figure out where their internal polls are going wrong?

Rule #1. Never, never, never hire Dick Morris (not that Cantor did, but this is a Morris size fuckup).

256 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 6:52:21pm

None of those new journosplainin’ websites, in all of their self touted genius, saw this coming?

257 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 6:52:21pm

re: #241 Blue Fielder

Your link has the best description of MBF idiots I’ve ever seen:

” …while an army of elite media Both Siders like Doris Kearns Goodwin sharts themselves in terror that some imaginary hippie somewhere might be doing something equally terrible… “

258 TedStriker  Jun 10, 2014 6:52:21pm

re: #220 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The GOP has no non-Christian Governors, either. I don’t think they have any non-Christians in the leadership.

They should change their name and put ‘Christian’ in there.

Flip the letters ‘GOP’ backwards and they’d have it: Party of God.

That’d be a win for truth-in-advertising, especially when heard spoken in its original Arabic.

259 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 6:52:38pm

In practical terms, this changes little. There is no harm this doof can do that Cantor wasn’t happy to do throughout the Obama administration. A fuck on both their houses.

260 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 6:53:55pm

re: #248 Eclectic Cyborg

I think all the evidence so far points to this being a banner year for the TP, so I think Cochran is finished.

261 Dark_Falcon  Jun 10, 2014 6:54:08pm

Well, the news out of South Carolina is good:

Lindsey Graham wins primary outright

South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham won his Republican primary on Tuesday, cruising past the 50-percent threshold to avoid a runoff against his tea party-inspired challengers.

The 58-year-old senator faced six Republican challengers in the Palmetto State, but none of those opponents got much traction or raised enough money to become viable.

With 56 percent of precincts reporting, Graham was at 59 percent — well ahead of state Sen. Lee Bright, with 14percent. Rounding out the field were businessman Richard Cash at 8 percent, pastor Det Bowers at 7 percent, businesswoman Nancy Mace at 6 percent, attorney Bill Conner at 5percent and attorney Benjamin Dunn with just 1 percent.

Graham has only token Democratic opposition for a third term serving the deep-red state.

Now Graham can worry less about enraged wingnuts and devote his time once again to getting things done.

262 thedopefishlives  Jun 10, 2014 6:54:14pm

re: #255 Skip Intro

Rule #1. Never, never, never hire Dick Morris (not that Cantor did, but this is a Morris size fuckup).

Personally speaking, I don’t think they’ll ever bother figuring it out. They’ll just find some way to spin the loss that doesn’t point at their miserable track record on polling metrics and keep on derping about Obama.

263 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 10, 2014 6:54:14pm

re: #258 TedStriker

And Hezbollah also happens to use a yellow flag with a green graphic in the middle of it.

264 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 6:54:43pm

re: #259 Decatur Deb

In practical terms, this changes little. There is no harm this doof can do that Cantor wasn’t happy to do throughout the Obama administration. A fuck on both their houses.

I think the GOP/TP needs bigger piles of shit who cannot shut up and will not work with anyone. Fuck them all.

265 teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2014 6:55:08pm
266 b.d.  Jun 10, 2014 6:55:10pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Well, the news out of South Carolina is good:

Lindsey Graham wins primary outright

Now Graham can worry less about enraged wingnuts and devote his time once again to getting things done.

Lindsey Graham is only 58 years old?

267 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 10, 2014 6:55:26pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Well, the news out of South Carolina is good:

Lindsey Graham wins primary outright

Now Graham can worry less about enraged wingnuts and devote his time once again to getting things done.

He’s part of the GOP. They’re not the party of ‘getting things done’. They’re the party of “meaningless vote to repeal Obamacare, block needed appointments, get rid of the last Jew we have in any sort of prominent position in the party”.

268 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 6:55:29pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Now Graham can worry less about enraged wingnuts and devote his time once again to getting things done.
Really?

269 Dark_Falcon  Jun 10, 2014 6:55:35pm

re: #260 Skip Intro

I think all the evidence so far points to this being a banner year for the TP, so I think Cochran is finished.

They actually haven’t done that well in the primaries this year. Cantor is only the second House incumbent to lose his/her primary.

270 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 10, 2014 6:55:39pm

re: #259 Decatur Deb

In practical terms, this changes little. There is no harm this doof can do that Cantor wasn’t happy to do throughout the Obama administration. A fuck on both their houses.

I think that was on Cinemax the other night…

271 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 6:55:57pm

re: #265 teleskiguy

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Invaders? Does he mean us Yankees?

272 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 10, 2014 6:56:06pm

re: #265 teleskiguy

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Was that the guy who said his son wouldn’t be cowering like a whiny bitch during a shooting?

273 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 6:56:40pm

re: #271 Decatur Deb

People who can think.

274 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 10, 2014 6:56:51pm

re: #269 Dark_Falcon

They actually haven’t done that well in the primaries this year. Cantor is only the second House incumbent to lose his/her primary.

The House Majority Leader just lost his primary. An incredibly, radically conservative guy who had and showed contempt for Obama. He just lost his primary.

275 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 10, 2014 6:56:54pm

re: #266 b.d.

Lindsey Graham is only 58 years old?

It would appear so. I thought he was older too.

276 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 6:56:56pm

re: #269 Dark_Falcon

They actually haven’t done that well in the primaries this year. Cantor is only the second House incumbent to lose his/her primary.

But the Cantor loss is huge, and it wasn’t a squeaker.

277 thedopefishlives  Jun 10, 2014 6:57:04pm

re: #271 Decatur Deb

Invaders? Does he mean us Yankees?

Yankees, Muslims, Martians, lizardoids from deep beneath the bowels of Denver International Airport… Doesn’t matter, he can hate ‘em all!

278 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 6:57:20pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Well, the news out of South Carolina is good:

Lindsey Graham wins primary outright

Now Graham can worry less about enraged wingnuts and devote his time once again to getting things done.

More LOL. What has Lindsay Graham done since Obama’s election that is more substantive than showing up to support the GOP filibuster du jour?

279 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 6:57:33pm

re: #276 Skip Intro

But the Cantor loss is huge.

And series.

280 TedStriker  Jun 10, 2014 6:57:36pm

re: #272 Eclectic Cyborg

Was that the guy who said his son wouldn’t be cowering like a whiny bitch during a shooting?

Indeed he is.

Edit: Oops, wrong Todd…I was thinking of Kincannon.

281 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 6:58:21pm

re: #276 Skip Intro

And it was a juice too.

282 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 6:58:22pm

re: #279 Decatur Deb

And series.

Dammit.

The Cantor loss is HUGH!

283 thedopefishlives  Jun 10, 2014 6:58:58pm

re: #282 Skip Intro

Dammit.

The Cantor loss is HUGH!

Yes it is. And stop calling me Shirley.

284 ObserverArt  Jun 10, 2014 6:59:17pm

re: #193 Zamb

Um no. Those points demonstrate a one issue election the side driven by irrational hatred turn out, others stay home. you’d likely need more than one race to have any kind of evidence for a throw the bums out

We shall see. It is strange times. To me all usual thinking is prone to being harpooned.

Just saw on MSNBC the guy that will be running for them Dems this fall. A sociology professor from the same college as Brat. That’s rather odd. He is not a politician, so that may be problematic. My theory is based on a Dem with a good policy and can speak well to the real issues.

One to watch anyway.

285 teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2014 6:59:21pm

re: #266 b.d.

Lindsey Graham is only 58 years old?

Lest we forget South Carolina’s last senior Senator, the Hon. Strom Thurmond who served an obscene 8 terms in the United States Senate.

286 Targetpractice  Jun 10, 2014 6:59:21pm

re: #269 Dark_Falcon

They actually haven’t done that well in the primaries this year. Cantor is only the second House incumbent to lose his/her primary.

Dark, at this point the only difference between a “Tea Party” candidate and an “establishment” one is who’s writing the checks. There’s not a bit of difference at this point between the candidates: They all hate Obama, they all think “progressives” are destroying this country, and they think the key is to destroy the country to save it.

287 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 6:59:30pm

re: #278 EPR-radar

More LOL. What has Lindsay Graham done since Obama’s election that is more substantive than showing up to support the GOP filibuster du jour?

You mean besides tag teaming with John McCain about which country we should invade next?

Can’t think of anything.

288 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 6:59:46pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Well, the news out of South Carolina is good:

Lindsey Graham wins primary outright

Now Graham can worry less about enraged wingnuts and devote his time once again to getting things done.

Until the next time he has to worry about being primaried and he’ll rinse and repeat. So, no Graham winning isn’t good news by any means. Graham is just a different kind of problem than Cantor was.

289 teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2014 6:59:57pm

re: #272 Eclectic Cyborg

Was that the guy who said his son wouldn’t be cowering like a whiny bitch during a shooting?

That’s Todd Kincannon.

290 Dark_Falcon  Jun 10, 2014 7:01:29pm

re: #268 nines09

Now Graham can worry less about enraged wingnuts and devote his time once again to getting things done.
Really?

Really really. Before the result were announced today, Cantor was on Capitol Hill casting an important vote:

House passes VA bill

The House approved legislation on Tuesday that gives veterans stuck on long wait lists for medical care the ability to seek treatment outside of the system established by the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Sponsored by Committee on Veterans’ Affairs Chairman Jeff Miller (R-Fla.), the bill passed 421-0 with overwhelming support from both parties.

The legislation is a response to systemic problems at the VA outlined in an inspector general report. That study found thousands of veterans are waylaid while seeking treatment in VA facilities - a disclosure that cost Secretary Eric Shinseki his post. The VA said on Monday that more than 57,000 new patients are waiting at least 90 days for their first appointments.

“The number of veterans that have received delayed care from VA facilities or were denied appointments despite being qualified for VA care is both shocking and appalling, and the resignation of former VA Secretary Eric Shinseki will not fix these systemic failures,” said Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee Ed Royce (R-CA), a co-sponsor of the legislation. “This legislation ensures that veterans who cannot get an appointment will still get the care they deserve. It is the least we can do for those who served our country so bravely.”

Tuesday’s measure closely resembles a deal struck by Sens. Bernie Sanders and John McCain last week that would allow veterans to see private doctors if they experience long wait times or live more than 40 miles from a VA hospital. That bill also funding [sic] to hire additional VA nurses and doctors and create 26 new medical facilities for veterans.

Last week, people here were saying the House was just going to stonewall. I am pleased to say I was right that it would in fact take action.

291 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2014 7:01:58pm

re: #284 ObserverArt

We shall see. It is strange times. To me all usual thinking is prone to being harpooned.

Just saw on MSNBC the guy that will be running for them Dems this fall. A sociology professor from the same college as Brat. That’s rather odd. He is not a politician, so that may be problematic. My theory is based on a Dem with a good policy and can speak well to the real issues.

One to watch anyway.

I say,,I say—a socialist professor from the same college?

292 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 7:02:02pm

re: #289 teleskiguy

That’s Todd Kincannon.

Too many RW douchebags named Todd. That’s a real problem.

293 TedStriker  Jun 10, 2014 7:02:32pm

294 nines09  Jun 10, 2014 7:02:44pm

re: #289 teleskiguy

That’s Todd Kincannon.

Todd Kincannon, Todd Starnes…..You’ve heard one pile of shit, you heard them all.

295 Dark_Falcon  Jun 10, 2014 7:03:09pm

re: #289 teleskiguy

That’s Todd Kincannon.

Correct.

296 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 10, 2014 7:03:16pm

re: #57 EPR-radar

Calvinism and predestination are very high on the list of fucked up ideas of all time.

The irony is that Calvin himself would agree with that - he considered predestination a serious theological problem that he tried to solve his whole life and he down played it a much as he could. John Knox, however, took the idea from Calvin and emphasized it while grafting it to his Presbyterian polity and created the utter mess that is called Calvinism to this day.

297 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 7:03:19pm

re: #294 nines09

Todd Kincannon, Todd Starnes…..You’ve heard one pile of shit, you heard them all.

There’s also Todd Akin and Todd from Beavis and Butthead who may be the most likable of those four Todds.

298 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2014 7:04:10pm

re: #296 William Barnett-Lewis

The irony is that Calvin himself would agree with that - he considered predestination a serious theological problem that he tried to solve his whole life and he down played it a much as he could. John Knox, however, took the idea from Calvin and emphasized it while grafting it to his Presbyterian polity and created the utter mess that is called Calvinism to this day.

Thanks. I just learned something very interesting today.

299 Dark_Falcon  Jun 10, 2014 7:04:45pm

re: #286 Targetpractice

Dark, at this point the only difference between a “Tea Party” candidate and an “establishment” one is who’s writing the checks. There’s not a bit of difference at this point between the candidates: They all hate Obama, they all think “progressives” are destroying this country, and they think the key is to destroy the country to save it.

Lindsey Graham doesn’t answer to that description, and if you think he does you’re looking at things through lens that are too partisan.

300 Skip Intro  Jun 10, 2014 7:04:51pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

There’s also Todd Akin and Todd from Beavis and Butthead who may be the most likable of those four Todds.

Todd Palin.

301 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 7:05:14pm

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

Lindsey Graham doesn’t answer to that description, and if you think he does you’re looking at things through lens that are too partisan.

You’re accusing people of looking at things too partisan?

302 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 7:05:23pm

re: #300 Skip Intro

Todd Palin.

Ha, yep.

303 Dark_Falcon  Jun 10, 2014 7:05:35pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

You’re accusing people of looking at things too partisan?

Yep.

304 teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2014 7:05:49pm

Oh yeah, Brat has minions washing his balls with a nice warm wet rag.

305 kirkspencer  Jun 10, 2014 7:05:49pm

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

Lindsey Graham doesn’t answer to that description, and if you think he does you’re looking at things through lens that are too partisan.

You haven’t read his campaign literature, I take it?

306 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 7:07:25pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Yep.

Well I would ask you to please to look at what Graham has actually been doing. By your own admission in the past, he plays up the anti-Obama outrage because of fear of being challenged by nutcases? Is that really want you want out of a leader?

307 Dark_Falcon  Jun 10, 2014 7:08:49pm

re: #305 kirkspencer

You haven’t read his campaign literature, I take it?

I’ve seen the way he votes and I’ve seen his efforts on immigration reform. He’s a good egg.

308 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 7:09:41pm

re: #307 Dark_Falcon

I’ve seen the way he votes and I’ve seen his efforts on immigration reform. He’s a good egg.

And I’ve seen how he plays to the Benghazi nutters. Graham is capable of being a voice of reason. Which makes his pandering past and present even more pathetic.

309 Blue Fielder  Jun 10, 2014 7:10:58pm

re: #307 Dark_Falcon

I’ve seen the way he votes and I’ve seen his efforts on immigration reform. He’s a good egg.

If he’s your idea of a good egg, then you don’t know good eggs from Birdo turds.

310 Dark_Falcon  Jun 10, 2014 7:14:36pm

re: #308 HappyWarrior

And I’ve seen how he plays to the Benghazi nutters. Graham is capable of being a voice of reason. Which makes his pandering past and present even more pathetic.

Meh, it was what he had it do. If he hadn’t pandered, he’d have gotten maybe 38% of the primary vote and would be heading into a runoff that would see him bounced out of his seat. That didn’t happen and as a result the same man is going to hold his seat.

311 makeitstop  Jun 10, 2014 7:15:15pm

re: #257 EPR-radar

Your link has the best description of MBF idiots I’ve ever seen:

” …while an army of elite media Both Siders like Doris Kearns Goodwin sharts themselves in terror that some imaginary hippie somewhere might be doing something equally terrible… “

Driftglass is my other daily read. Excellent writer.

312 klys  Jun 10, 2014 7:17:01pm

re: #310 Dark_Falcon

Meh, it was what he had it do. If he hadn’t pandered, he’d have gotten maybe 38% of the primary vote and would be heading into a runoff that would see him bounced out of his seat. That didn’t happen and as a result the same man is going to hold his seat.

So at what point does the pandering to the nuts cross the line for you?

Nevermind.

You state through your actions that you think the government needs to regulate my body, keep people who love each other from marrying, and make sure that the poor victimized white Christian men never have to suffer the indignity of treating other people as their equals, regardless of what you say on here.

313 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 7:18:16pm

re: #310 Dark_Falcon

Meh, it was what he had it do. If he hadn’t pandered, he’d have gotten maybe 38% of the primary vote and would be heading into a runoff that would see him bounced out of his seat. That didn’t happen and as a result the same man is going to hold his seat.

Okay, he did have the right to pander and that is what politicians do but I think it’s sad that you’re holding a man on a high pedestal that by your own admission panders out of fear of losing. Really, why have any admiration for such a man? Graham would be much more worthy of your respect if he actually tried to push back against the Benghazi CT crap instead of enabling it.

314 sagehen  Jun 10, 2014 7:25:01pm

re: #166 missliberties

Q. Who in the GOP is going to have the leadership and guts to call out these right wing radical extremists?

A. No one.

Arlen Specter’s advice was quit the GOP and run as an Independent, because the GOP is to radical.

Ask Senator Angus King who denounced the GOP and won as and Independent in Maine

And Linc Chafee (RI). And maybe Charlie Crist (FL).

315 ObserverArt  Jun 10, 2014 7:28:08pm

re: #307 Dark_Falcon

I’ve seen the way he votes and I’ve seen his efforts on immigration reform. He’s a good egg.

Always check those eggs before you buy them. You get them home and find out they’re all cracked.

Graham sold his soul to get this primary. I have no respect for that kind of man. You stand or fall as the person you are on the ideals you have. After selling yourself, how can anyone on any side trust you? They can’t because you’ve already proven you are subject to change.

316 Dark_Falcon  Jun 10, 2014 7:29:10pm

re: #313 HappyWarrior

Okay, he did have the right to pander and that is what politicians do but I think it’s sad that you’re holding a man on a high pedestal that by your own admission panders out of fear of losing. Really, why have any admiration for such a man? Graham would be much more worthy of your respect if he actually tried to push back against the Benghazi CT crap instead of enabling it.

I disagree. In order to act effectively, Graham needs his Senate seat. Pushing back directly would have just gotten him bounced out of it and said push back would have had little if any effect. Sometimes you need to avoid confrontation in order to be able to act later when your chances of opposing the crazies are better.

317 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2014 7:29:48pm

The wingnuts are ecstatic that a Calvinist beat Cantor.
The same wingnuts are calling the Calvinist Bergdahls traitorous Muslims.
These people are beyond nutz.

318 ObserverArt  Jun 10, 2014 7:31:08pm

re: #310 Dark_Falcon

Meh, it was what he had it do. If he hadn’t pandered, he’d have gotten maybe 38% of the primary vote and would be heading into a runoff that would see him bounced out of his seat. That didn’t happen and as a result the same man is going to hold his seat.

Here is how you should state the same:

Meh, it was what he had it do. If he hadn’t pandered, he’d have gotten maybe 38% of the primary vote and would be heading into a runoff that would see him bounced out of his seat. That didn’t happen and as a result the same a lesser Graham man is going to hold his seat

319 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 7:31:34pm

re: #315 ObserverArt

Always check those eggs before you buy them. You get them home and find out they’re all cracked.

Graham sold his soul to get this primary. I have no respect for that kind of man. You stand or fall as the person you are on the ideals you have. After selling yourself, how can anyone on any side trust you? They can’t because you’ve already proven you are subject to change.

Really, Graham’s nothing but a sad hack. i’ve said this before and I’ll say it again but I really do respect guys like him and McCain less than I do guys like Cruz and Paul because of exactly that. If Lindsey actually believes in the Benghazi bullshit, fine he’s a nutcase ignoring all evidence but if he is playing it up as DF concedes and I think many here believe than he’s nothing but a man abandoning all principles to satisfy a base of extremists. There’s a reason why John F. Kennedy wrote about Profiles in Courage. Graham’s actions the past five plus years show him to be deserving of a Profile in Cowardice.

320 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 7:33:48pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

I disagree. In order to act effectively, Graham needs his Senate seat. Pushing back directly would have just gotten him bounced out of it and said push back would have had little if any effect. Sometimes you need to avoid confrontation in order to be able to act later when your chances of opposing the crazies are better.

Avoid confrontation? What the heck are you talking about. He’s not avoiding confrontation. Yeah, he’s avoiding confrontation with that element of the base who believes President Obama to be a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler by creating a fake outrage. Really if this guy is one of your party’s better members then I genuinely weep for your party. It’s a shame because the Republican Party does have an admirable history but they’re stuck pandering to bigots out of sheer fear rather than having the courage to tell the lunatics that they’re wrong.

321 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2014 7:34:41pm

I’d honestly rather have Graham sincerely believe the crazy Benghazi bullshit than pursue it for the only reason of self-preservation.

322 GeneJockey  Jun 10, 2014 7:42:44pm

re: #310 Dark_Falcon

Meh, it was what he had it do. If he hadn’t pandered, he’d have gotten maybe 38% of the primary vote and would be heading into a runoff that would see him bounced out of his seat. That didn’t happen and as a result the same man is going to hold his seat.

It hardly matters whether he doesn’t really believe the horrible shit he has to do to keep his seat, does it? I mean, he’s unwilling to stand up for anything he believes in, so what’s the difference?


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