GOHMERT! Loveable Louie Debates Pastor on Whether Non-Christians “Go to Hell”

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Life With Gohmert has been on hiatus as of late, but Louie and the gang are back with a brand new episode called “Use A House of Representatives Hearing to Debate Whether Non-Christians Go to Hell.”

And hilarity does ensue. The kind only GOHMERT! can deliver:

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) on Tuesday repeatedly confronted a faith leader — who also happens to be a noted church-state separatist — about his Christian beliefs during a House Judiciary Committee hearing on religious freedom.

“Do you believe in sharing the good news that will keep people from going to hell, consistent with the Christian beliefs?” Gohmert asked Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director for Americans United for the Separation of Church and State.

Lynn responded that he wouldn’t agree with Gohmert’s “construction of what hell is like or why one gets there.” When Gohmert pressed him to say whether he believed people “would go to hell if they do not believe Jesus is the way,” Lynn again answered that he thinks failing to ascribe to a certain set of Christian beliefs doesn’t necessarily doom a person to hell.

“No, not a set of ideas,” Gohmert insisted. “Either you believe as a Christian that Jesus is the way, the truth, or life, or you don’t.”

“Congressman, what I believe is not necessarily what I think ought to justify the creation of public policy for everybody,” Lynn countered. “For the 2,000 different religions that exist in this country, the 25 million non-believers. I’ve never been offended. I’ve never been ashamed to share my belief.”

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449 comments
1 b.d.  Jun 11, 2014 2:13:58pm

If Louie is going to be in heaven then I think I’ll go ahead and make alternative arrangements.

2 Targetpractice  Jun 11, 2014 2:14:15pm

Because of all the pressing issues on America’s plate right now, what one religious sect believes about eternal damnation is worth indepth questioning.

Yegods.

3 Lidane  Jun 11, 2014 2:14:33pm

Welcome to the 2014 Republican party.

4 Bulworth  Jun 11, 2014 2:15:12pm

Louie’s on a non-stop campaign to make Congress and America a dumber and more cruel place.

5 Kragar  Jun 11, 2014 2:16:43pm

Because the Founding Fathers obviously meant for all Americans to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, which is why they mentioned it zero times in the founding documents.

6 Testy Toad T  Jun 11, 2014 2:16:47pm

I wonder how any rational, thinking person could respond to that question with anything but one of the following:

* uproarious laughter
* blank stare
* blank stare, followed by weeping into hands

That Barry Lynn was able to put one word in front of another means he is rather more stable on his feet than I.

7 Bubblehead II  Jun 11, 2014 2:22:39pm

re: #4 Bulworth

Louie’s on a non-stop campaign to make Congress and America a dumber theocracy and more cruel place.

ftfy

8 GeneJockey  Jun 11, 2014 2:23:21pm

re: #6 Testy Toad T

I wonder how any rational, thinking person could respond to that question with anything but one of the following:

* uproarious laughter
* blank stare
* blank stare, followed by weeping into hands

That Barry Lynn was able to put one word in front of another means he is rather more stable on his feet than I.

The J. Jonah Jameson laugh.

9 Kid A  Jun 11, 2014 2:25:17pm

And on Insanity today, GOHMERT!!! said that Eric Cantor is a dear friend of his. You know, ONE OF MY DEAR FRIENDS IS JEWISH!!!

10 Bubblehead II  Jun 11, 2014 2:26:01pm

re: #6 Testy Toad T

I wonder how any rational, thinking person could respond to that question with anything but one of the following:

* uproarious laughter
* blank stare
* blank stare, followed by weeping into hands

That Barry Lynn was able to put one word in front of another means he is rather more stable on his feet than I.

Chances are he has answered this and many others questioning his christian beliefs many times before.

11 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 2:26:08pm

re: #9 Kid A

And on Insanity today, GOHMERT!!! said that Eric Cantor is a dear friend of his. You know, ONE OF MY DEAR FRIENDS IS JEWISH!!!

And he’s going STRAIGHT TO HELL!!!!

12 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 2:27:58pm

Has Congress totally run out of things to do, so now they have time to begin a religious inquisition?

13 Lidane  Jun 11, 2014 2:30:05pm

re: #12 Skip Intro

Has Congress totally run out of things to do, so now they have time to begin a religious inquisition?

GOHMERT! is warming up for when the Tea Party gets enough people elected to own both the House and Senate.

14 wrenchwench  Jun 11, 2014 2:30:42pm
…do you believe in sharing ‘The Good News’ that will keep someone from going to Hell consistent with the Christian belief?

Gohmert is proselytizing about the good news that if you disagree with him, you’re going to burn in hell forever.

15 klys  Jun 11, 2014 2:31:15pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

Gohmert is proselytizing about the good news that if you disagree with him, you’re going to burn in hell forever.

Sounds like heaven to me.

16 Targetpractice  Jun 11, 2014 2:33:05pm

re: #15 klys

Sounds like heaven to me.

In recent years, I’ve found myself more and more amused by the concept that heaven and hell are a state of mind and those most destined to go there are guys like Gohmert, who went through mortal life so obsessed with converting as many as possible that they’ll spend the afterlife convinced they should be punished for not doing “enough.”

17 team_fukit  Jun 11, 2014 2:33:39pm

An interesting take on the “good news,” which the Gospels I read claimed to be about making “the Kingdom of God” on earth rather than some Hell-dodging spiel.

18 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 2:34:37pm

re: #12 Skip Intro

Has Congress totally run out of things to do, so now they have time to begin a religious inquisition?

My question, too.

I mean, WTF?

19 Kid A  Jun 11, 2014 2:37:56pm

And I STILL get the deer-in-the-headlights from the wingnut (mom’s) side of the family when I say I’ll never, ever vote wingnut again.

20 Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2014 2:40:20pm

re: #4 Bulworth

Louie’s on a non-stop campaign to make Congress and America a dumber and more cruel place.

Mission Accomplished.

21 dog philosopher  Jun 11, 2014 2:40:55pm

re: #17 team_fukit

An interesting take on the “good news,” which the Gospels I read claimed to be about making “the Kingdom of God” on earth rather than some Hell-dodging spiel.

generally speaking, most of christianity is not actually found in the bible

22 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 2:41:22pm

This is being covered on The Ed Show right now.

Michael Eric Dyson is subbing for Ed.

23 Ian G.  Jun 11, 2014 2:43:32pm

re: #6 Testy Toad T

I wonder how any rational, thinking person could respond to that question with anything but one of the following:

* uproarious laughter
* blank stare
* blank stare, followed by weeping into hands

That Barry Lynn was able to put one word in front of another means he is rather more stable on his feet than I.

I’d probably screw with Gomer on this question. I’d be like, “no, I believe all non-Christians go to the summit of K2 upon death and listen to Willie Nelson records for all eternity. Except for Zoroastrians. They go to the summit of Damavand and listen to Freddie Mercury records.”

24 Flying Squirrel Girl  Jun 11, 2014 2:43:39pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

Gohmert is pandering to his base. He knows this will get coverage.

25 wrenchwench  Jun 11, 2014 2:43:49pm

re: #12 Skip Intro

Has Congress totally run out of things to do, so now they have time to begin a religious inquisition?

It was a hearing on the State of Religious Liberty in the United States, By Direction of the Chairman of the Subcommittee* on the Constitution and Civil Justice, which would be Rep. Trent Franks.

I assume the purpose is to put something on the old resume for reelection, as well as to get something on the official record, such as Gohmert’s definition of Christianity.

*It’s a subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee, which is chaired by Bob Goodlatte, so wingnuts run wild, it seems.

26 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 2:45:43pm

White House spokesperson says situation in Iraq is “grave,” has deteriorated over last 24 hours - @thehill
Read more on thehill.com

Will we be pulling everyone out now?

27 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 11, 2014 2:47:07pm

So, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, remember the many predictions that overthrowing Saddam would leave a power vacuum in the region that might be filled by Islamic radicals, making Iraq worse off in the end if we did invade?

Probably not. They’ll come up with reasons why this is all Obama’s fault.

28 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 2:47:10pm

John Fugelsang is great on this! (Woops)

“Jesus couldn’t get a job in a pancake house these days.”

29 Targetpractice  Jun 11, 2014 2:47:21pm

re: #26 Justanotherhuman

White House spokesperson says situation in Iraq is “grave,” has deteriorated over last 24 hours - @thehill
Read more on thehill.com

Will we be pulling everyone out now?

But hey, we removed Saddam from power, so it’s all good, right?

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30 Varek Raith  Jun 11, 2014 2:48:02pm

re: #27 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

So, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, remember the many predictions that overthrowing Saddam would leave a power vacuum in the region that might be filled by Islamic radicals, making Iraq worse off in the end if we did invade?

Probably not. They’ll come up with reasons why this is all Obama’s fault.

Totally unpredictable.
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31 Targetpractice  Jun 11, 2014 2:48:08pm

re: #27 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

So, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, remember the many predictions that overthrowing Saddam would leave a power vacuum in the region that might be filled by Islamic radicals, making Iraq worse off in the end if we did invade?

Probably not. They’ll come up with reasons why this is all Obama’s fault.

This wouldn’t have happened if we’d stayed in Iraq!!!

32 goddamnedfrank  Jun 11, 2014 2:48:35pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

Gohmert is proselytizing about the good news that if you disagree with him, you’re going to burn in hell forever.

Implying the question why in the fuck would he bother representing such people in the first place, since they’re literally devil’s food. In his mind giving them equality under the law only helps ensure their eternal damnation, better to scream at them and make their lives shit so they’ll convert under duress.

Basic Taliban mentality. People like Gohmert have no business at all serving in a representative democracy.

33 GeneJockey  Jun 11, 2014 2:48:38pm

re: #27 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

So, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, remember the many predictions that overthrowing Saddam would leave a power vacuum in the region that might be filled by Islamic radicals, making Iraq worse off in the end if we did invade?

Probably not. They’ll come up with reasons why this is all Obama’s fault.

Nah. “Iraq has no history of sectarian conflict”, we were told.

34 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 2:49:38pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

In recent years, I’ve found myself more and more amused by the concept that heaven and hell are a state of mind and those most destined to go there are guys like Gohmert, who went through mortal life so obsessed with converting as many as possible that they’ll spend the afterlife convinced they should be punished for not doing “enough.”

I like the idea of an afterlife such that those who go through life most convinced of their personal line to god and used it for ill get to be in the clutches of their personally projected malevolent deity for an extended period of time.

35 wrenchwench  Jun 11, 2014 2:50:11pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

Mmmmm, devil’s food…

36 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 2:51:03pm

re: #26 Justanotherhuman

White House spokesperson says situation in Iraq is “grave,” has deteriorated over last 24 hours - @thehill
Read more on thehill.com

Will we be pulling everyone out now?

It looks like our solution will be doing the same thing we’ve been doing while being gravely concerned about doing it


US Eyes New Aid to Iraq to Curb Insurgent March

Al-Maliki and other Iraqi leaders have pleaded with the Obama administration for more than a year for additional help to combat the growing insurgency, which has been fueled by the unrelenting civil war in neighboring Syria. Northern Iraq has become a way station for insurgents who routinely travel between the two countries and are seeding the Syrian war’s violence in Baghdad and beyond.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said it’s expected that the U.S. will give Iraq new assistance to combat insurgents but declined to describe it. Beyond the missiles, tanks, fighter jets and ammunition that the U.S. has already either given or plans to send to Iraq, Baghdad has sought American surveillance drones to root out insurgents.

37 GeneJockey  Jun 11, 2014 2:51:43pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

Mmmmm, devil’s food…

Is that what Soylent green tastes like, since they’re both made of people?
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38 goddamnedfrank  Jun 11, 2014 2:52:13pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

Mmmmm, devil’s food…

No shit right. Why can’t I ever find devil’s food donuts at the local supermarkets? It’s almost like they know I’m too fat and on a diet but have iffy self control.

39 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 2:52:19pm

re: #27 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

So, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, remember the many predictions that overthrowing Saddam would leave a power vacuum in the region that might be filled by Islamic radicals, making Iraq worse off in the end if we did invade?

Probably not. They’ll come up with reasons why this is all Obama’s fault.

The GOP/Bushies will also deliberately forget that their innumerable screw-ups during the Iraq occupation greatly increased the chance of a disastrous outcome.

How very convenient.

40 Varek Raith  Jun 11, 2014 2:52:19pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Tell you what, you sign up and do something about it.
e_e

41 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 2:52:26pm
42 Varek Raith  Jun 11, 2014 2:52:56pm

re: #41 Gus

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OMFG.

43 Bubblehead II  Jun 11, 2014 2:53:06pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

Mmmmm, devil’s food…

Devil’s Food Cake I

Bacon Deviled Eggs

44 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 2:53:12pm

NYT map: Where ISIS Is Gaining Control in Iraq and Syria

45 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 11, 2014 2:53:40pm

My son, the Rabbi in Alabama, is constantly being “witnessed” by Evangelicals who want to tell him “The Good News.” His usual answer is that only G-D knows what is in the hearts of people and nobody gets sent to Hell on a whim.

One of these guys decided to play “Pascal’s Wager” with him, and said “well let’s say you don’t know who’s going to Hell or not, what can it hurt you to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior?”

My son said “Because Scripture tells me ‘You shall have no other gods’”

So the guy is getting desperate and he says “But what happens when you die and then you find you’re in Hell?”

My son said, “I’ll be happy that I’m with my People.”

46 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 2:53:49pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

NYT map: Where ISIS Is Gaining Control in Iraq and Syria

Mission accomplished.

47 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 2:53:58pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Let’s not kid ourselves here. Looking on and deploring the situation may in fact be the only option for the US if things have already degenerated to the point where a force of 30,000 is routed by 800.

48 Varek Raith  Jun 11, 2014 2:54:08pm

It’s not like people weren’t warned of this very outcome.
The same people who got us in to it also ignored that possibility.
We can’t really fix it now.

49 Zamb  Jun 11, 2014 2:54:22pm

Defining Christianity is totally one of congresses constitutional powers.

50 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 11, 2014 2:55:16pm

Argentina has a new political party…

Neo-Nazi Party Given Legal Status

Judge Ariel Lijo approved an application by Bandera Vecinal to become a registered political party. This party is led by Alejandro Carlos Biondini, known for his Nazi sympathies.

The nationalist organisation applied before Judge Lijo — who has been under the spotlight as he is in charge of the case against Vice-President Amado Boudou — after it signed up the required 4,000 members. Bandera Vecinal defines itself as neither a left or right wing party, however Biondini’s former party, Nuevo Triunfo, was banned by a Supreme Court ruling in 2009 which considered its symbols and ideas a supporting Nazism and anti-antisemitism.

Biondini’s son, Alejandro César, denied the allegations, saying that Bandera Nacional, which he defines as a “nationalist and socialist party”, is profoundly democratic. “When you talk about family values, nationalism, migration, they accuse you of being a fascist, an ultra right-winger. We don’t identify with ‘Nazi’ politics. This is Argentina and we are proud of our people,” he said. The party expects to take part in next year’s presidential election.

51 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 2:55:27pm
52 Zamb  Jun 11, 2014 2:55:27pm

Defining Christianity is totally one of the powers of congress granted by the constitution.

53 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 2:56:15pm

re: #45 Pie-onist Overlord

My son, the Rabbi in Alabama, is constantly being “witnessed” by Evangelicals who want to tell him “The Good News.” His usual answer is that only G-D knows what is in the hearts of people and nobody gets sent to Hell on a whim.

One of these guys decided to play “Pascal’s Wager” with him, and said “well let’s say you don’t know who’s going to Hell or not, what can it hurt you to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior?”

My son said “Because Scripture tells me ‘You shall have no other gods’”

So the guy is getting desperate and he says “But what happens when you die and then you find you’re in Hell?”

My son said, “I’ll be happy that I’m with my People.”

I had a couple of young women knock at my door yesterday. I opened it, looked at them and said, I’m not interested. They did look a bit crestfallen but I didn’t feel bad since I had to go out of my way to answer the door for something I have no use for.

54 Targetpractice  Jun 11, 2014 2:57:11pm

re: #47 EPR-radar

Let’s not kid ourselves here. Looking on and deploring the situation may in fact be the only option for the US if things have already degenerated to the point where a force of 30,000 is routed by 800.

If a force of 30,000 turns and flees from one of 800, then it’s pretty obvious that our time in Iraq was wasted. They don’t want us to teach them how to fight, they want us to do the fighting for them. That way the only thing they have to is regularly bitch about the Yankees who are causing them problems…before running the numbers and realizing all the dollars flooding into their businesses are the only thing keeping their economy going.

See also: Every nation we’ve ever occupied in the past 100 years.

55 Kragar  Jun 11, 2014 2:58:20pm

re: #51 Gus

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56 dog philosopher  Jun 11, 2014 2:58:32pm

i told those dumb motherfuckers over ten years ago that the result of the iraq war would be a mullah-ocracy that would be a powerful new ally of iran

57 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 2:59:56pm

re: #47 EPR-radar

Let’s not kid ourselves here. Looking on and deploring the situation may in fact be the only option for the US if things have already degenerated to the point where a force of 30,000 is routed by 800.

It also seems a waste of time and effort to try to fix Iraq without a plan to fix Syria. Mission creep is a problem.

58 CuriousLurker  Jun 11, 2014 3:01:44pm

re: #51 Gus

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And the Kurds. Halabja, March 1988—5,000 dead, 7,000 injured, most of them civilians. Saddam was our “friend” back then.

59 goddamnedfrank  Jun 11, 2014 3:01:48pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

It looks like our solution will be doing the same thing we’ve been doing while being gravely concerned about doing it


US Eyes New Aid to Iraq to Curb Insurgent March

Weren’t you saying recently that it was unfortunate we weren’t going to be leaving Afghanistan as stable as we’d left Iraq?

I would have preferred we leave behind a stable democracy. I’m not expecting perfection but something along the lines of Iraq. Sure, stuff blows up sometimes, there’s a bit of ethnic/religious tension but the government is stable and not in danger of collapsing or being overthrown. I don;t think we’re leaving behind a stable government in Afghanistan.

Lately you’re giving Bill Kristol a run for his money in the race for Mr. Always Wrong. Keep up the pace.

60 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 11, 2014 3:02:09pm

Odd pennent appeared on the wall of the lunch room here at work. We appear to have alien invaders! ;)

We bid welcome to our armadillo-based overlords

61 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 3:02:25pm

re: #56 dog philosopher

i told those dumb motherfuckers over ten years ago that the result of the iraq war would be a mullah-ocracy that would be a powerful new ally of iran

What part of “65% Shia, 32% Sunni” was unclear to the idiots in the Bush administration that thought toppling Saddam Hussein meant ‘mission accomplished’?

62 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 3:04:01pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

Dick Morris better watch out.

63 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 11, 2014 3:06:11pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

Sure, stuff blows up sometimes, there’s a bit of ethnic/religious tension but the government is stable and not in danger of collapsing or being overthrown.

It’s funny, Killgore tries so hard to stick to the ‘might, might not’ style, but pretty much whenever he ventures outside that and makes a prediction or claim, he completely leaves his pants hanging on the barbed wire.

64 J A P  Jun 11, 2014 3:06:12pm

This Gohmert video is more depressing than I can deal with today.

65 dog philosopher  Jun 11, 2014 3:06:24pm

re: #61 EPR-radar

What part of “65% Shia, 32% Sunni” was unclear to the idiots in the Bush administration that thought toppling Saddam Hussein meant ‘mission accomplished’?

well their main concern imho was that saddam had ‘nationalized’ the oil processing profits

first thing we did when we went back in was to give it all back to bp, with generous contracts cut for halliburton of course

cheney et al will not consider it in vain unless and until an al qaida iraq takes the contracts away from westerners

66 goddamnedfrank  Jun 11, 2014 3:07:10pm

re: #63 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

It’s funny, Killgore tries so hard to stick to the ‘might, might not’ style, but pretty much whenever he ventures outside that and makes a prediction or claim, he completely leaves his pants hanging on the barbed wire.

It’s like the Universe is conspiring against him.

67 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 3:10:19pm

re: #65 dog philosopher

well their main concern imho was that saddam had ‘nationalized’ the oil processing profits

first thing we did when we went back in was to give it all back to bp, with generous contracts cut for halliburton of course

cheney et al will not consider it in vain unless and until an al qaida iraq takes the contracts away from westerners

That will happen. If I were an American civilian, I’d be getting the fuck out right now.

68 CuriousLurker  Jun 11, 2014 3:12:55pm

re: #63 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

It’s funny, Killgore tries so hard to stick to the ‘might, might not’ style, but pretty much whenever he ventures outside that and makes a prediction or claim, he completely leaves his pants hanging on the barbed wire.

Fence Wedgie

69 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 3:14:50pm

I feel a little sick…

Patek Philippe Watch Sells for $2.9 Million

nbcnews.com

Even though it was sold to a museum, the money came from those with money.

70 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 3:14:58pm
71 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 3:15:13pm

54 years.

72 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 3:15:23pm

re: #67 Justanotherhuman

That will happen. If I were an American civilian, I’d be getting the fuck out right now.

I can understand the confusion of US plutocrats. The US population is so complacent in the face of plutocracy that they think this model can be exported to places like Iraq just by making sure that the right people are put in charge after deposing the dictator.

It never seems to occur to them that the support for such regimes tends to evaporate as soon as the US troops are gone.

73 Kragar  Jun 11, 2014 3:15:37pm
74 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 3:15:57pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

Weren’t you saying recently that it was unfortunate we weren’t going to be leaving Afghanistan as stable as we’d left Iraq?

Lately you’re giving Bill Kristol a run for his money in the race for Mr. Always Wrong. Keep up the pace.

Yup, I think that’s a good example and very comparable situations between Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraq was politically stable but weak. They could have probably handled their own domestic problems but the civil war in Syria is the main source of their problems now.

Iraq War III Has Now Begun

Working from a secure base in Syria’s Raqqa province, ISIS seems to have carefully prepared operations in Mosul and a range of other cities as the opener to this year’s Ramadan offensive — a twisted annual tradition in Iraq since 2003, timed to coincide with the Islamic holy month that spans the length of July this year.
…
Formerly known as al Qaeda in Iraq, ISIS is an Iraqi-led militant group that draws its suicide operators primarily from international volunteers, its foot soldiers from Iraq and Syria, and its money chiefly from a mix of local organized crime rackets. ISIS has used the Syrian conflict to build its strength and assert its independence from al Qaeda’s senior leadership in Pakistan, which disavowed it in February 2014. But the movement’s real ambitions rest in Iraq. The majority of ISIS’s leadership and rank and file are Iraqi, including its emir Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Control of western Mosul would place ISIS in charge of the political and economic capital of Sunni Iraq, a prize of tremendous propaganda value.

Iraq doesn’t stand a chance with an unstable Syria next door. Afghanistan stands even less of a chance with Pakistan next door.

75 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 11, 2014 3:17:24pm

re: #48 Varek Raith

It’s not like people weren’t warned of this very outcome.
The same people who got us in to it also ignored that possibility.
We can’t really fix it now.

Tom Ricks was dicussing the possibility of a new Caliphate and a new Saladin back in 2007 with his book Fiasco.

7 years later…he looks pretty damned prescient.

76 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 3:17:44pm

re: #69 Justanotherhuman

Nothing to see here. Just the global plutonomy chugging along as usual.

77 Kragar  Jun 11, 2014 3:21:28pm
78 jaunte  Jun 11, 2014 3:22:51pm

re: #77 Kragar

-SHOCKEDFACE-

79 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 11, 2014 3:23:51pm

re: #61 EPR-radar

What part of “65% Shia, 32% Sunni” was unclear to the idiots in the Bush administration that thought toppling Saddam Hussein meant ‘mission accomplished’?

People in his White House actually had to be briefed on what Sunni and Shiite Muslims were…including Mr C plus at Harvard W Bush.

He made a point of leaving out most of the experienced hands from his dad’s days. Instead, we got kids from Falwell’s university being sent to the Green Zone to make rules for the new Iraqi stock exchange (true) while the country turned into a Hobbesian nightmare under the CPA and Paul Bremer.

80 jaunte  Jun 11, 2014 3:23:57pm
According to OCE, Stockman accepted campaign contributions from two congressional staff members in February 2013. The campaign’s subsequent campaign finance reports identified the donors as family members of the employees. Stockman also allegedly was paying those two staff members full-time salaries when they were only doing part-time work.

Two staff launderers; swanky.

81 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 3:24:22pm

re: #77 Kragar

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He’s leaving anyway. But I’d love to see a few of these fish caught.

“According to OCE, Stockman accepted campaign contributions from two congressional staff members in February 2013. The campaign’s subsequent campaign finance reports identified the donors as family members of the employees. Stockman also allegedly was paying those two staff members full-time salaries when they were only doing part-time work. “

82 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 3:26:12pm
83 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 3:26:15pm

On the subject of the OP, it is entirely possible that GOHMERT! is the stupidest human being ever for all time (i.e., past, present and future).

84 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 3:27:43pm
85 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 3:30:33pm

re: #84 Gus

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86 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 3:31:41pm
87 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 3:33:41pm

Larry Nordvig, the head of the Richmond Tea Party, told a joke at Brat rally. “A politician, a Muslim, and an illegal alien walk into a bar, and you know what the bartender said? Good evening, Mr. President.”

88 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 11, 2014 3:33:42pm

Louie Gohgoh belongs to the species Fuckus Theofascisticus.

89 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 3:35:21pm

What say you, GG?

Airport workers in Rio de Janeiro calling for pay rise and World Cup bonus declare 24-hour strike - @BBCBreaking
see original on twitter.com

What was that again?

90 blueraven  Jun 11, 2014 3:35:55pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Yup, I think that’s a good example and very comparable situations between Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraq was politically stable but weak. They could have probably handled their own domestic problems but the civil war in Syria is the main source of their problems now.

Iraq War III Has Now Begun

Iraq doesn’t stand a chance with an unstable Syria next door. Afghanistan stands even less of a chance with Pakistan next door.

Here is the deal KT. If we hadn’t invaded Iraq they wouldn’t be in this mess.
And for what?
The worst FP mistake in a long, long time for America.

Now all of you want to sit back and criticize because Obama cant fix the world you all created.
It is cowardly.

91 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 3:38:26pm
92 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 3:39:21pm
93 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 3:40:09pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

But hey, we removed Saddam from power, so it’s all good, right?

////

Terrorists from Saudi Arabia attack America, so naturally the correct response is to overthrow the government of Iraq.

Can’t you see that?

94 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 11, 2014 3:40:54pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Iraq doesn’t stand a chance with an unstable Syria next door. Afghanistan stands even less of a chance with Pakistan next door.

So… why did you wish we’d left behind a stable government? You’re saying they don’t have a chance, but a few weeks ago you were talking about what good shape Iraq is in. And since you think Afghanistan doesn’t have a chance either, what does it matter what state the government is in?

You’re basically arguing against yourself at this point, or at the very least saying what you said was completely irrelevant.

95 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 3:41:32pm

re: #93 Skip Intro

Terrorists from Saudi Arabia attack America, so naturally the correct response is to overthrow the government of Iraq.

Can’t you see that?

Even to attack SA for that would have been wrong.

96 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 3:41:41pm

re: #92 Gus

I’m also glad that we now have an administration that does not make foreign policy decisions based on whether or not POTUS and senior administration officials get hard-ons when considering policy choices.

97 GeneJockey  Jun 11, 2014 3:42:00pm

re: #69 Justanotherhuman

I feel a little sick…

Patek Philippe Watch Sells for $2.9 Million

nbcnews.com

Even though it was sold to a museum, the money came from those with money.

My personal take on it s that it’s a piece of mechanical art, the likes of which are extremely rare and precious. While having no desire to own one myself, I’m glad that somebody is taking care of it.

98 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 11, 2014 3:42:10pm

Shrug. IF he’s correct, Louie will be there to meet us.

99 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 3:42:26pm

re: #25 wrenchwench

It was a hearing on the State of Religious Liberty in the United States, By Direction of the Chairman of the Subcommittee* on the Constitution and Civil Justice, which would be Rep. Trent Franks.

I assume the purpose is to put something on the old resume for reelection, as well as to get something on the official record, such as Gohmert’s definition of Christianity.

*It’s a subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee, which is chaired by Bob Goodlatte, so wingnuts run wild, it seems.

I think Judge Gohmert is polishing the turd that is his resume, figuring when the TP takes over completely he’ll be appointed to lead the tribunal on religious purity.

100 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 3:42:30pm

This is such bullshit, designed to no doubt engender some empathy for Snowjob.

“Wizner and Snowden also stand for the new coalition which has grown over the past years. Old leftists collaborate with hackers now, progressive computer experts suddenly agree with the backward Tea Party movement in the US. Snowden’s popularity is transfered to the ACLU - and the ACLU protects him in return. A new world for Snowden, a new world for Wizner.”

Really? Not this “old leftist”.

101 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 11, 2014 3:44:31pm

Well. Looks like Iraq is screwed. Mission accomplished, courtesy of Bush/Cheney.

102 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 3:46:45pm

re: #90 blueraven

Here is the deal KT. If we hadn’t invaded Iraq they wouldn’t be in this mess.
And for what?
The worst FP mistake in a long, long time for America.

Now all of you want to sit back and criticize because Obama cant fix the world you all created.
It is cowardly.

Hey, so far Iraq has only cost us around $1.7 trillion in direct costs, plus whatever else we’ll have to pay in medical treatments and disability payments for those selfish members of the military who came back wounded instead of doing the Randian thing and getting killed.

103 CuriousLurker  Jun 11, 2014 3:46:46pm

re: #92 Gus

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Iraq had a competent, if battle weary, army. We disbanded it a couple of months after we invaded. We did this without the counsel of the secretary of state or the senior American commander in Iraq.

Brilliant move. //

104 HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2014 3:48:59pm

re: #103 CuriousLurker

Iraq had a competent, if battle weary, army. We disbanded it a couple of months after we invaded. We did this without the counsel of the secretary of state or the senior American commander in Iraq.

Brilliant move. //

We should definitely listen to what Dick Cheney has to say when he calls Obama weak. Better “weak” than pathetically stupid and short-sighted. Not that I actually think Obama’s weak like Cheney believes. He’s just not a dick waver like that asshole is.

105 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 3:49:02pm

re: #103 CuriousLurker

Iraq had a competent, if battle weary, army. We disbanded it a couple of months after we invaded. We did this without the counsel of the secretary of state or the senior American commander in Iraq.

Brilliant move. //

Entirely consistent with the incompetence and cronyism that were the only qualifications for serving in the W Bush administration. These idiots even managed to find a way to noticeably screw up the operations of the patent office .

106 Bubblehead II  Jun 11, 2014 3:50:20pm

Night Lizards.

107 HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2014 3:50:39pm

re: #105 EPR-radar

Entirely consistent with the incompetence and cronyism that were the only qualifications for serving in the W Bush administration. These idiots even managed to find a way to noticeably screw up the operations of the patent office .

All one needs to know when looking at Bush’s legacy is that he put a horse racing commissioner in charge of FEMA because you know if you can manage horse races, you can run disaster relief.

108 CuriousLurker  Jun 11, 2014 3:52:24pm

re: #103 CuriousLurker

Iraq had a competent, if battle weary, army. We disbanded it a couple of months after we invaded. We did this without the counsel of the secretary of state or the senior American commander in Iraq.

Brilliant move. //

Oops. Link fixed. I should’ve been to here.

109 HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2014 3:52:26pm

Bush may look sane compared to his successors in the GOP but we should never forget about the many fuck ups that administration made and don’t let the people who still blame Jimmy Carter for stuff cry to you about BLAMING BUSH. Fact is Bush inherited an economy in good shape and managed to fuck it up due to a stupid obsession with the idea that tax cuts and a massive military buildup was said fiscal policy.

110 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 3:52:51pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

All one needs to know when looking at Bush’s legacy is that he put a horse racing commissioner in charge of FEMA because you know if you can manage horse races, you can run disaster relief.

The FEMA disaster is famous. What gets me about the patent office is that it is so obscure and non-political. Screwing that up really does mean that incompetence itself was a goal of the W Bush administration, as opposed to just incompetence/malfeasance that could be expected to piss off liberals.

111 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 3:54:24pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

Bush may look sane compared to his successors in the GOP but we should never forget about the many fuck ups that administration made and don’t let the people who still blame Jimmy Carter for stuff cry to you about BLAMING BUSH. Fact is Bush inherited an economy in good shape and managed to fuck it up due to a stupid obsession with the idea that tax cuts and a massive military buildup was said fiscal policy.

9/11 prevented the main policy goal of W’s first term, which was to have been the privatization of social security.

112 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 3:54:50pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

It has always been my belief that the reason Bush had a hard-on to attack Iraq was because Saddam made threats against his daddy, and C- wanted to prove that he was every bit as tough as daddy’s favorite son, Jeb.

It helped that Mr. Gravitas, the Evil Cheney, saw there was a lot of money to be made in war as well.

113 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 11, 2014 3:55:47pm

re: #112 Skip Intro

It has always been my belief that the reason Bush had a hard-on to attack Iraq was because Saddam made threats against his daddy, and C- wanted to prove that he was every bit as tough as daddy’s favorite son, Jeb.

It helped that Mr. Gravitas, the Evil Cheney, saw there was a lot of money to be made in war as well.

A lot of people had the sincere belief that we could invade Iraq and install a democracy. This looks horribly naive in retrospect, but that’s basically what the neocons were about.

114 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 3:57:14pm

re: #113 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

A lot of people had the sincere belief that we could invade Iraq and install a democracy. This looks horribly naive in retrospect, but that’s basically what the neocons were about.

I still remember that horrible “Project for a New American Century” document that came out in the Bush years.

115 blueraven  Jun 11, 2014 3:58:21pm

No matter what happens, the ones responsible for this mess will never give up. if we stay a little longer, If we support Syrian rebels, IF IF IF IF…everything will finally be OK. It is delusional.

Bush policy has fucked us over and over. They made everything worse. The decision to go in Iraq was bad enough, but the idea that we could do it on the cheap and conduct the war in Afghanistan…AFGHANISTAN!! at the same time was extreme hubris.

The fallout will be felt for a long time.

116 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 3:58:35pm

re: #113 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

A lot of people had the sincere belief that we could invade Iraq and install a democracy. This looks horribly naive in retrospect, but that’s basically what the neocons were about.

Yeah, and they’d welcome us a liberators and Iraqi oil would pay for the whole operation.

Neocons were, and are, an incredibly stupid bunch.

117 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 11, 2014 3:58:53pm

re: #114 EPR-radar

I still remember that horrible “Project for a New American Century” document that came out in the Bush years.

It is refreshingly optimistic and positive by modern ‘conservative’ standards. It it least is pro-democracy.

118 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 3:59:59pm

re: #117 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

It is refreshingly optimistic and positive by modern ‘conservative’ standards. It it least is pro-democracy.

Touche. However, the pro-Democracy noises in the PNAC manifesto weren’t really intended for use within the US.

119 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 4:02:38pm

re: #111 EPR-radar

9/11 prevented the main policy goal of W’s first term, which was to have been the privatization of social security.

Good grief, yes, all of us in our early 60s at the time were afraid this was going to happen. It drove me and others I knew to apply at 62 (2003 for me) because we had no idea until the “idea” was fleshed out whether or not we’d be grandfathered in. We knew it was a possibility if not an inevitability.

Which makes me even more mystified that people my age still believe the kind of bullshit the Rs and TP are pushing, unless they are just being selfish and don’t care about anyone younger.

120 HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2014 4:03:06pm

re: #114 EPR-radar

I still remember that horrible “Project for a New American Century” document that came out in the Bush years.

I thought PNAC document was written in the latter part of the Clinton years. I do agree that Bush came off as eager to finish his father’s legacy in regards to Iraq. To me what was fucked up about it was that we hadn’t even gotten close to finishing Afghanistan.

121 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 4:04:24pm

Uh oh.

Report: Iraq privately signals openness to US airstrikes against al Qaeda militants, US officials tell @WSJ
Read more on online.wsj.com

122 blueraven  Jun 11, 2014 4:04:38pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

I thought PNAC document was written in the latter part of the Clinton years. I do agree that Bush came off as eager to finish his father’s legacy in regards to Iraq. To me what was fucked up about it was that we hadn’t even gotten close to finishing Afghanistan.

You don’t finish Afghanistan. You leave.

123 HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2014 4:05:15pm

I for one always thought the Bush administratoin’s problems were related to people like Cheney. I’m not sure if it’s ever been 100% verified but the story I always heard was W had Cheney to vet his candidates for VP and then decided he was the best candidate. It reminds me in retrospect of the scene in Horrible Bosses where Kevin Spacey gives himself the promotion that Jason Bateman’s character covets.

124 HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2014 4:05:42pm

re: #122 blueraven

You don’t finish Afghanistan. You leave.

Very much agreed. Iraq was definitely a fuck up of another level though.

125 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 4:06:03pm

re: #122 blueraven

You don’t finish Afghanistan. You leave.

That’s what everybody does, isn’t it? I wonder why we thought this time it would be different?

126 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 11, 2014 4:06:41pm

re: #125 Skip Intro

That’s what everybody does, isn’t it? I wonder why we thought this time it would be different?

American Exceptionalism. Of course.

127 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 4:07:53pm

Wait a minute—no source? Just “senior U.S. officials”? Well, it is the Wall St. Journal, after all.

Iraq Signals Openness to U.S. Airstrikes Against al Qaeda, U.S. Officials Say

online.wsj.com

If we won’t give them drones, what makes them think we’ll bomb ISIS?

128 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 11, 2014 4:09:11pm

I tried to read and understand this, because it’s something along the lines of what Dave Brat probably espouses, but I just can’t even.

It’s desk flippingly insane.

129 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 4:09:31pm

re: #121 Justanotherhuman

Uh oh.

Report: Iraq privately signals openness to US airstrikes against al Qaeda militants, US officials tell @WSJ
Read more on online.wsj.com

I have no doubt Iraq wants help retaking their cities. The question is will Obama give it to them. Should he give it to them? I don’t know, I think we’re wasting our time and effort.

130 CuriousLurker  Jun 11, 2014 4:09:43pm

re: #115 blueraven

No matter what happens, the ones responsible for this mess will never give up. if we stay a little longer, If we support Syrian rebels, IF IF IF IF…everything will finally be OK. It is delusional.

Bush policy has fucked us over and over. They made everything worse. The decision to go in Iraq was bad enough, but the idea that we could do it on the cheap and conduct the war in Afghanistan…AFGHANISTAN!! at the same time was extreme hubris.

The fallout will be felt for a long time.

One of the things that drives me nuts is that we’ve been wetting our pants over Iran ever since the Islamic Revolution in 1979, yet the ayatollahs are still there, alive & well and pulling strings all over the place 35 years later.

131 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 4:12:20pm

re: #130 CuriousLurker

One of the things that drives me nuts is that we’ve been wetting our pants over Iran ever since the Islamic Revolution in 1979, yet the ayatollahs are still there, alive & well and pulling strings all over the place 35 years later.

The mullahs are safer than ever. Sanctions are being lifted, they’ll keep their nuclear program and a bomb if they want it. They have strong Russian backing and their influence in the region is increasing greatly. They’ve done pretty well for themselves.

132 Dr Lizardo  Jun 11, 2014 4:12:58pm

re: #130 CuriousLurker

One of the things that drives me nuts is that we’ve been wetting our pants over Iran ever since the Islamic Revolution in 1979, yet the ayatollahs are still there, alive & well and pulling strings all over the place 35 years later.

The only way the current Iranian regime falls is if there’s a major internal revolution - a repetition of the ‘79 Revolution.

133 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 4:14:08pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

They’ve done pretty well for themselves.

“It’s good To be The King Mullah”

Youtube Video

134 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 4:15:19pm

re: #130 CuriousLurker

One of the things that drives me nuts is that we’ve been wetting our pants over Iran ever since the Islamic Revolution in 1979, yet the ayatollahs are still there, alive & well and pulling strings all over the place 35 years later.

And I think this new situation in Iraq also helps Iran. The US might do something, maybe and we might stick to it or change our mind next week. If Iraq wants a reliable ally they can look to Iran who would love to help Assad kill off ISIS. Iraq gets to survive, Iran solidifies its regional power and Assad gets a new lease on life. Everybody wins except us.

135 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 11, 2014 4:15:46pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

I have no doubt Iraq wants help retaking their cities. The question is will Obama give it to them. Should he give it to them? I don’t know, I think we’re wasting our time and effort.

How do you contrast that view, with this view of yours?

I would have preferred we leave behind a stable democracy. I’m not expecting perfection but something along the lines of Iraq. Sure, stuff blows up sometimes, there’s a bit of ethnic/religious tension but the government is stable and not in danger of collapsing or being overthrown.

136 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 4:18:22pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

I thought PNAC document was written in the latter part of the Clinton years. I do agree that Bush came off as eager to finish his father’s legacy in regards to Iraq. To me what was fucked up about it was that we hadn’t even gotten close to finishing Afghanistan.

The think tank itself was est 1997. If you go to Wiki to get info, you’ll find that the site which showed PNAC docs has been suspended.

Maybe the original document with signatories could be found elsewhere (wayback machine or something similar?).

137 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 4:19:05pm

thedailybeast.com

“What we really need right now are drone strikes and air strikes,” said a senior Iraqi official Wednesday. But the official stressed that so far the Obama administration has been reluctant.

A senior U.S. military official told The Daily Beast on Wednesday that the request for U.S. air strikes inside Iraq has been discussed in recent months. “There are no plans right now to participate in anything like this,” the official said. In earlier conversations, the official said the U.S. side “did not give them a hard no—it was ‘Thanks for your interest and we will talk about it more.’”

138 blueraven  Jun 11, 2014 4:19:21pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

And I think this new situation in Iraq also helps Iran. The US might do something, maybe and we might stick to it or change our mind next week. If Iraq wants a reliable ally they can look to Iran who would love to help Assad kill off ISIS. Iraq gets to survive, Iran solidifies its regional power and Assad gets a new lease on life. Everybody wins except us.

Should have thought about that back in 2003.
A lot of this was foretold.

139 klys  Jun 11, 2014 4:19:44pm

140 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 4:21:21pm
We have expedited shipments of military equipment since the beginning of the year, ramped up training of Iraqi security forces, and worked intensively to help Iraq implement a holistic approach to counter this terrorist threat. Our assistance has been comprehensive, is continuing, and will increase.”

Sure it’s holistic but is it organic and gluten free?

141 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 4:23:07pm

re: #138 blueraven

Should have thought about that back in 2003.
A lot of this was foretold.

back in 2003 Iran would be much more likely to invade Iraq than help. It’s also an interesting thought experiment to imagine what the region would be like if Saddam were still in power.

142 b.d.  Jun 11, 2014 4:23:46pm

Take your pick:

OBAMA HAD TO LEAVE IRAQ BECAUSE OF THE FORCES AGREEMENT SIGNED BY BUSH!!! WHY DID OBAMA LEAVE IRAQ SO EARLY?!?!?

OBAMA HAD TO LEAVE IRAQ BECAUSE OF THE FORCES AGREEMENT SIGNED BY BUSH!!! WHY DID OBAMA LEAVE IRAQ SO EARLY?!?!?

143 klys  Jun 11, 2014 4:24:10pm

144 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 4:25:35pm

re: #141 Killgore Trout

back in 2003 Iran would be much more likely to invade Iraq than help. It’s also an interesting thought experiment to imagine what the region would be like if Saddam were still in power.

Roofs all over Baghdad full of people dying to jump off !! Ahhh ,the good ole days!!

145 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 4:26:21pm

re: #143 klys

Look on his/her face

“I am NOT amused”

146 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 4:28:54pm

re: #144 sattv4u2

Roofs all over Baghdad full of people dying to jump off !! Ahhh ,the good ole days!!

Saddam certainly wouldn’t be putting up with any of that Arab Spring nonsense. We was fairly friendly with Assad so I think any cross border insurgency would be easily and brutally crushed. I think the biggest problem if Saddam were still around would be his concerns about Iran’s nuclear program.

147 blueraven  Jun 11, 2014 4:31:22pm

re: #141 Killgore Trout

back in 2003 Iran would be much more likely to invade Iraq than help. It’s also an interesting thought experiment to imagine what the region would be like if Saddam were still in power.

Yes, that is my point. The Iraq war had many unknown consequences but…
one often predicted was an alliance between Iraq and Iran.

148 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 4:31:55pm

David Brat is such a pandering whore to the ignorant. Our reps are supposed to be leaders, not followers of the “unwashed mob” who follow gossip and misinformation on the internet.

And this guy is supposedly educated? And an educator?

Anything to get elected, I suppose.

And Matt Kibbe thinks Reagan was the forerunner of this “libertarian takeover” that he obviously thinks is happening.

Up is down, ignorance is wisdom, stupid is smart.

149 Jack Burton  Jun 11, 2014 4:33:12pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

I thought PNAC document was written in the latter part of the Clinton years. I do agree that Bush came off as eager to finish his father’s legacy in regards to Iraq. To me what was fucked up about it was that we hadn’t even gotten close to finishing Afghanistan.

It was written Pre-2000. As best as I can remember it had nothing to do with installing democracy in the Middle East as its main concern was US not taking China and Russia seriously as threats in the post-Cold War era.

After 9/11, the people responsible for it added in all that spread democracy stuff to their world view.

150 CuriousLurker  Jun 11, 2014 4:34:45pm

re: #141 Killgore Trout

back in 2003 Iran would be much more likely to invade Iraq than help. It’s also an interesting thought experiment to imagine what the region would be like if Saddam were still in power.

Or what it would be like if we hadn’t organized a coup with the British in 1953 and removed Mosaddegh from power.

Or we could go back even further to the Russian Revolution and Reza Shah’s overthrow of the Qajars, which was at least partially assisted by the British.

151 b.d.  Jun 11, 2014 4:36:11pm
WASHINGTON—Iraq has privately signaled to the Obama administration that it would allow the U.S. to conduct airstrikes with drones or manned aircraft against al Qaeda militant targets on Iraqi territory, senior U.S. officials said Wednesday.

online.wsj.com

152 wrenchwench  Jun 11, 2014 4:36:18pm

153 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 4:37:28pm

re: #150 CuriousLurker

Or what it would be like if we hadn’t organized a coup with the British in 1953 and removed Mosaddegh from power.

Or we could go back even further to the Russian Revolution and Reza Shah’s overthrow of the Qajars, which was at least partially assisted by the British.

Don’t forget about the Ottomans, or if Hitler won WWII.

154 ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2014 4:37:35pm

I hope I can get this comment in under all those evil cat eyes watching the progress of this thread.

On Chris ‘Tweety’ Matthews a few minutes ago he had Matt Kibbe from Freedom Works and another Republican strategist (didn’t get his name) and they concluded with last nights dumping of Cantor…there will be no further ‘moderate’ Republican presidential candidates for 2016.

If that is true then the party as it used to be is dead, dead and more dead. As some have been saying, it is now THE Tea Party.

Hey Dark_Falcon, here is your chance to leave the party. Just say the GOP is dead and you will have nothing to do with the rag-tag remnants that killed it.

By the way, I am hearing a lot of comments about Cantor getting dumped because of a dump all pols effort. I mentioned that last evening. We shall see how enamored the VA district is to its new Tea Man.

Oh god no….Joke Scarborough is on now…time to go throw up.

155 blueraven  Jun 11, 2014 4:38:26pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

Don’t forget about the Ottomans, or if Hitler won WWII.

156 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 4:39:10pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

Don’t forget about the Ottomans, or if Hitler won WWII.

Or if caveman Oooggg hadn’t been caught napping and wasn’t killed by his brother Gronnnkkkk

157 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 4:39:15pm

158 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 4:39:19pm

re: #151 b.d.

online.wsj.com

Interesting. I would have guessed Obama would pass on this one. They’ve been requesting help for months with no luck. It’s a small force so it shouldn’t take long but they’ll keep coming back.

159 jayjaybear  Jun 11, 2014 4:40:14pm

re: #138 blueraven

Should have thought about that back in 2003.
A lot of this was foretold.

By liberal hippie scum, though. Therefore, not at all valid or sensible.

160 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 11, 2014 4:40:36pm

re: #156 sattv4u2

Or if caveman Oooggg hadn’t been caught napping and wasn’t killed by his brother Gronnnkkkk

Or if Grumpy Cat hadn’t gotten irradiated and turned into Grumpzilla the Destroyer and eaten Fort Worth.

161 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 4:40:58pm

re: #155 blueraven

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These things are complicated. There are no easy answers.

162 Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2014 4:42:19pm
163 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 4:42:43pm

Really?

164 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 4:43:30pm

re: #149 Jack Burton

It was written Pre-2000. As best as I can remember it had nothing to do with installing democracy in the Middle East as its main concern was US not taking China and Russia seriously as threats in the post-Cold War era.

After 9/11, the people responsible for it added in all that spread democracy stuff to their world view.

What I remember best from the PNAC manifesto was delusional blathering about the desirability and feasibility of perpetual US global military hegemony.

165 b.d.  Jun 11, 2014 4:43:53pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

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Is he talking about the republican primaries?

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166 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 4:44:42pm

re: #165 b.d.

Is he talking about the republican primaries?

//

could be talking about my family at Thanksgiving Dinner!

167 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 4:45:28pm

re: #154 ObserverArt

I hope I can get this comment in under all those evil cat eyes watching the progress of this thread.

On Chris ‘Tweety’ Matthews a few minutes ago he had Matt Kibbe from Freedom Works and another Republican strategist (didn’t get his name) and they concluded with last nights dumping of Cantor…there will be no further ‘moderate’ Republican presidential candidates for 2016.

If that is true then the party as it used to be is dead, dead and more dead. As some have been saying, it is now THE Tea Party.

Hey Dark_Falcon, here is your chance to leave the party. Just say the GOP is dead and you will have nothing to do with the rag-tag remnants that killed it.

By the way, I am hearing a lot of comments about Cantor getting dumped because of a dump all pols effort. I mentioned that last evening. We shall see how enamored the VA district is to its new Tea Man.

Oh god no….Joke Scarborough is on now…time to go throw up.

They’re still going to spread more fear. And fear gets attention.

Fear appeals to the uneducated, the old, the ignorant, and the stupid.

We have a lot of work to do. We think just because we know a lot of political sites and comment here and there that others do. We’re just a drop in the barrel, really, since we can provide plenty of links that show just how these people actually “think”.

Don’t forget, too, that more people access the internet for porn and entertainment than they ever do politics, which bores them and might require some work, and in too many cases, already have their minds made up because “we’ve always voted this way”, if they vote at all.

If I sound cynical, it’s because every time I think there will be some progress in politics, we take 1 step forward and 2 steps back.

168 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 4:45:52pm

I’m confused. Why would the attackers use cell phones plundered from the embassy they were attacking? That doesn’t make sense.

169 Kragar  Jun 11, 2014 4:47:01pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

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Really?

“Multiple Sources” being one retired pilot relying on hearsay and an 1 anonymous source

170 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 4:47:51pm

I recognize some of those words.

171 Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2014 4:47:53pm

James Rosen is a hack and his “scoops” are unbelievably poorly sourced. In this case, the only source on the record is a C-17 pilot. Why would he have information about this? Everyone else cited is anonymous, and by the way, didn’t we just have another example of Rosen’s anonymous sourcing in that hit piece on Sgt. Bergdahl? Oh yeah, we did.

Hack. Default mode should be to distrust these reports from Fox unless they’re confirmed. 48 hour rule is in effect, with additional skepticism.

172 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 4:48:50pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

James Rosen is a hack and his “scoops” are unbelievably poorly sourced. In this case, the only source on the record is a C-17 pilot. Why would he have information about this? Everyone else cited is anonymous, and by the way, didn’t we have just another example of his anonymous sourcing in that hit piece on Sgt. Bergdahl? Oh yeah, we did.

Hack. Default mode should be to distrust these reports from Fox unless they’re confirmed. 48 hour rule is in effect, with additional skepticism.

If FN reported that the sky was blue, I’d want confirmation elsewhere.

173 CuriousLurker  Jun 11, 2014 4:49:11pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

Don’t forget about the Ottomans, or if Hitler won WWII.

LOL, okay.

174 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 4:49:26pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

Fox News ‘reporting’ should be taken as seriously as middle-school character assassination via gossip unless independently confirmed.

175 blueraven  Jun 11, 2014 4:49:36pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

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These things are complicated. There are no easy answers.

If Bush hadn’t started this, there wouldn’t be this insane no win issue there for us. Get it?

176 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 4:50:59pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

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I recognize some of those words.

Here you go.

177 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 4:51:24pm

re: #169 Kragar

“Multiple Sources” being one retired pilot relying on hearsay and an 1 anonymous source

Yeah, given Fox’s track record I’m doubtful. The only reason I even clicked the link is because of the Schindler tweet. Even without the fox involvement, they story doesn’t make sense to me.

178 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 4:52:04pm

ugh

I have the headache from hell and another 4 hours (at least) before I can go home

179 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 4:52:15pm

re: #175 blueraven

If Bush hadn’t started this, there wouldn’t be this insane no win issue there for us. Get it?

The pre-W Iraq situation was lousy (no-fly zones, Saddam playing footsie with UN weapons inspectors etc.).

W’s special contribution to this mess was for the US to step on its dick massively and repeatedly.

180 Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2014 4:52:44pm

There’s a *lot* about this Rosen story that seems off.

181 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 4:53:05pm

re: #176 Gus

Here you go.

I still don’t get it. What benefit would the attackers get from using phones they just picked up in the embassy?

182 Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2014 4:53:52pm
183 blueraven  Jun 11, 2014 4:54:27pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

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I recognize some of those words.

Oh now we get diverted to BENGHAZI!!
triple trolling.

184 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 4:54:36pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

I still don’t get it. What benefit would the attackers get from using phones they just picked up in the embassy?

Have no idea. You’d think they’d have their own cell phones.

185 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2014 4:55:16pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

James Rosen is a hack and his “scoops” are unbelievably poorly sourced. In this case, the only source on the record is a C-17 pilot. Why would he have information about this? Everyone else cited is anonymous, and by the way, didn’t we just have another example of Rosen’s anonymous sourcing in that hit piece on Sgt. Bergdahl? Oh yeah, we did.

Hack. Default mode should be to distrust these reports from Fox unless they’re confirmed. 48 hour rule is in effect, with additional skepticism.

sounds like another “tip” = “iceberg”

186 Lidane  Jun 11, 2014 4:56:29pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

There’s a *lot* about this Rosen story that seems off.

What are the odds that his sources come from that Clarridge lunatic feeding the anti-Bergdahl derp?

187 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 4:56:33pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

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188 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 4:57:54pm

re: #184 Gus

Have no idea. You’d think they’d have their own cell phones.

And why use them to call their leadership? It seems to me using a State Dept phone to call terrorist leaders would increase the chances the call would be traced or monitored.

189 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 4:59:29pm

re: #188 Killgore Trout

And why use them to call their leadership? It seems to me using a State Dept phone to call terrorist leaders would increase the chances the call would be traced or monitored.

Yes. So really pretty derpy.

190 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 5:00:06pm

re: #184 Gus

re: #188 Killgore Trout

I can see TAKING the phones to try to get info off of them ,,, names/ numbers/ etc

but to make calls on them?!??! prollynot

191 Romantic Heretic  Jun 11, 2014 5:00:25pm

re: #53 Justanotherhuman

I had a couple of young women knock at my door yesterday. I opened it, looked at them and said, I’m not interested. They did look a bit crestfallen but I didn’t feel bad since I had to go out of my way to answer the door for something I have no use for.

A friend of mine was once approached on the street by a couple of smiley, happy, ultra-neat people. “Hi,” they said to him. “We’re committed.”

“You should be,” he replied without missing a beat and walked on by them.

192 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 5:01:18pm
193 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 5:01:43pm

re: #190 sattv4u2

I can see TAKING the phones to try to get info off of them ,,, names/ numbers/ etc

but to make calls on them?!??! prollynot

I think even taking the phone would be a bad idea. I would think tracking devices on diplomat’s cells phones would be a standard feature.

194 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 5:02:03pm

re: #191 Romantic Heretic

A friend of mine was once approached on the street by a couple of smiley, happy, ultra-neat people. “Hi,” they said to him. “We’re committed.”

“You should be,” he replied without missing a beat and walked on by them.

Famous quote from an NFL coach after a terrible loss

reporter ,,”What do you think of your teams execution”

coach,,,”I’m all for it”

195 Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2014 5:02:39pm

Nobody has come forward and confirmed Rosen’s last big anonymously sourced story that Sgt. Bergdahl “converted to Islam,” by the way.

196 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 5:02:43pm
197 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 5:02:50pm

re: #193 Killgore Trout

I think even taking the phone would be a bad idea. I would think tracking devices on diplomat’s cells phones would be a standard feature.

Yeah, but you could write the info down pretty quickly then toss/ destroy the phone itself

198 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 5:03:20pm

re: #191 Romantic Heretic

A friend of mine was once approached on the street by a couple of smiley, happy, ultra-neat people. “Hi,” they said to him. “We’re committed.”

“You should be,” he replied without missing a beat and walked on by them.

If you have to be an advertisement for Jesus, you’re not doing it right.

199 wrenchwench  Jun 11, 2014 5:04:46pm

200 danarchy  Jun 11, 2014 5:06:42pm

Who knew there was a world pun championship? I have to wonder if any lizards competed…
m.laweekly.com

201 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 11, 2014 5:07:08pm

re: #199 wrenchwench

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Be Afraid…. Be VERY Afraid.

RBS

202 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 5:08:00pm

re: #200 danarchy

Who knew there was a world pun championship? I have to wonder if any lizards competed…
m.laweekly.com

I tried, but I wasn’t puny enough!

203 ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2014 5:08:38pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

James Rosen is a hack and his “scoops” are unbelievably poorly sourced. In this case, the only source on the record is a C-17 pilot. Why would he have information about this? Everyone else cited is anonymous, and by the way, didn’t we just have another example of Rosen’s anonymous sourcing in that hit piece on Sgt. Bergdahl? Oh yeah, we did.

Hack. Default mode should be to distrust these reports from Fox unless they’re confirmed. 48 hour rule is in effect, with additional skepticism.

Default mode does not seem to work for those that are concerned. You know, this could be correct, but it may not be, so it is good to question. Makes for good conversation though and great for when you find yourself debating…yourself.

204 Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2014 5:10:48pm

205 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 5:13:04pm
206 Romantic Heretic  Jun 11, 2014 5:13:15pm

re: #103 CuriousLurker

Iraq had a competent, if battle weary, army. We disbanded it a couple of months after we invaded. We did this without the counsel of the secretary of state or the senior American commander in Iraq.

Brilliant move. //

Disbanded with their weapons. Double brilliant move. //

207 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 5:15:22pm

re: #197 sattv4u2

Yeah, but you could write the info down pretty quickly then toss/ destroy the phone itself

good point

208 CuriousLurker  Jun 11, 2014 5:15:58pm

I hate to leave in the middle of all this brilliant analysis of the latest Benghazi derp, but I just finished washing a few dishes so I think I’ll go do something more productive… like watch them dry.

Later, lizards.

209 Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2014 5:16:26pm
210 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 5:17:34pm

Benghazi!

6 injured after large explosion at army checkpoint outside Benghazi, Libya, officials say - @BBCNews
Read more on bbc.com

211 klys  Jun 11, 2014 5:18:36pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

One wonders if the lawyers finally got through.

212 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 5:18:51pm
213 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 5:19:09pm

re: #211 klys

One wonders if the lawyers finally got through.

Ailes/Murdoch did the political calculations.

214 klys  Jun 11, 2014 5:21:18pm

re: #213 EPR-radar

Ailes/Murdoch did the political calculations.

More likely.

215 Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2014 5:21:19pm

Oh, and speaking of the Bergdahl story, our strange invasion of gossipy sock puppets continues over here:

littlegreenfootballs.com

216 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 5:22:08pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

If Iraq wants a reliable ally they can look to Iran who would love to help Assad kill off ISIS.

Gonna be a tad harder to do now!!

Jihadis Loot $429m from City’s Central Bank to Make Isis World’s Richest Terror Force

ibtimes.co.uk

217 Romantic Heretic  Jun 11, 2014 5:22:18pm

re: #114 EPR-radar

I still remember that horrible “Project for a New American Century” document that came out in the Bush years.

The foundation of the new Pax Americana.

Unlike the old one which (mostly) tried to make sure that our allies were on board when violence at an international level was needed the new one was, “Follow or get out of the way.”

In my mind Iraq was meant by the neo-cons as an object lesson for the rest of the world. “This is what happened to people to get in our way. You may hate as long as you also fear.”

It was straight out of the Hollywood vision of the Old West. A gunslinger walks into town, shoots somebody and announces, “There ain’t no law in this here town ‘ceptin’ what I say there is.” Because that was the main thrust of Iraq, to overturn international law and replace it with American rule, forever. Richard Perle made that very clear.

218 Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2014 5:22:36pm

Sorry, I deleted them already. But it was more of the same personal squabbling that other sites seem to be tolerating even though they shouldn’t.

Not here.

219 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 5:22:51pm
220 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 5:22:53pm

re: #216 sattv4u2

If Iraq wants a reliable ally they can look to Iran who would love to help Assad kill off ISIS.

Gonna be a tad harder to do now!!

Jihadis Loot $429m from City’s Central Bank to Make Isis World’s Richest Terror Force

ibtimes.co.uk

Jackpot!

221 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 5:23:31pm

I remember what he told me about something someone told him.

222 Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2014 5:24:40pm

re: #208 CuriousLurker

I hate to leave in the middle of all this brilliant analysis of the latest Benghazi derp, but I just finished washing a few dishes so I think I’ll go do something more productive… like watch them dry.

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Later, lizards.

Most scary sign off of late.

223 Romantic Heretic  Jun 11, 2014 5:24:58pm

re: #125 Skip Intro

That’s what everybody does, isn’t it? I wonder why we thought this time it would be different?

Because America! that’s why!

224 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 11, 2014 5:25:15pm
225 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 5:25:49pm

re: #217 Romantic Heretic

The foundation of the new Pax Americana.

Unlike the old one which (mostly) tried to make sure that our allies were on board when violence at an international level was needed the new one was, “Follow or get out of the way.”

In my mind Iraq was meant by the neo-cons as an object lesson for the rest of the world. “This is what happened to people to get in our way. You may hate as long as you also fear.”

It was straight out of the Hollywood vision of the Old West. A gunslinger walks into town, shoots somebody and announces, “There ain’t no law in this here town ‘ceptin’ what I say there is.” Because that was the main thrust of Iraq, to overturn international law and replace it with American rule, forever. Richard Perle made that very clear.

I kept expecting to see “Tausendjähriges Reich” (discreetly in the original German) in the PNAC manifesto.

226 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 11, 2014 5:26:02pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

Sorry, I deleted them already. But it was more of the same personal squabbling that other sites seem to be tolerating even though they shouldn’t.

Not here.

Probably all one person.

227 Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2014 5:26:55pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Oh, and speaking of the Bergdahl story, our strange invasion of gossipy sock puppets continues over here:

littlegreenfootballs.com

He said, she said, and oh by the way fuck Bergdahl.

Very sad that his parents are not talking. They are gobsmacked.

228 Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2014 5:28:50pm

re: #226 Pie-onist Overlord

Probably all one person.

Wouldn’t surprise me at all. There’s something deeply weird going on, but I don’t really care if I never find out what it is. They’re not going to post that stuff here, no matter how they try.

229 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 5:29:50pm

More whacked out cant from The Brat. Who obviously doesn’t believe anything at all in the Constitution, including the “common” good.

“He frets about the state of morality in schools and about Beyoncé:

“For the first 13 years of your kid’s life, we teach them no religion, no philosophy, and no ethics…Who is our great moral teachers these days? Every generation has always had great theologians or philosophers by the century that you can name. Who do we got right now? [Audience: Jay-Z] Right. Right. [Audience: Beyoncé] Right. Beyoncé. When you can’t name a serious philosopher, a national name, or a serious theologian, or a serious religious leader, at the national level, your culture’s got a major problem. We got a major problem.”

David Brat, the Libertarian Who Beat Eric Cantor, Doesn’t Believe in the “Common” Good
Brat has called for slashing Social Security, Medicare, and education spending and says “rich” nations don’t have to fear climate change.

motherjones.com

230 thedopefishlives  Jun 11, 2014 5:30:51pm

re: #228 Charles Johnson

Wouldn’t surprise me at all. There’s something deeply weird going on, but I don’t really care if I never find out what it is. They’re not going to post that stuff here, no matter how they try.

Why do we always have the good fortune to attract the loonies?

Evening Lizardim.

231 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 11, 2014 5:33:20pm

re: #230 thedopefishlives

Why do we always have the good fortune to attract the loonies?

Evening Lizardim.

It’s our irrelevancy that attracts them.

232 ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2014 5:33:37pm

re: #229 Justanotherhuman

More whacked out cant from The Brat. Who obviously doesn’t believe anything at all in the Constitution, including the “common” good.

“He frets about the state of morality in schools and about Beyoncé:

“For the first 13 years of your kid’s life, we teach them no religion, no philosophy, and no ethics…Who is our great moral teachers these days? Every generation has always had great theologians or philosophers by the century that you can name. Who do we got right now? [Audience: Jay-Z] Right. Right. [Audience: Beyoncé] Right. Beyoncé. When you can’t name a serious philosopher, a national name, or a serious theologian, or a serious religious leader, at the national level, your culture’s got a major problem. We got a major problem.”

David Brat, the Libertarian Who Beat Eric Cantor, Doesn’t Believe in the “Common” Good
Brat has called for slashing Social Security, Medicare, and education spending and says “rich” nations don’t have to fear climate change.

motherjones.com

How long before America is sick of this clown? The way it is going he will be hated in another week. Of course, he needs a ringing endorsement from Palin yet.

And then Cantor is really going to have a sad. He will be moaning “how could I lose to this guy?”

233 Amory Blaine  Jun 11, 2014 5:34:55pm

234 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 5:34:56pm

re: #232 ObserverArt

How long before America is sick of this clown? The way it is going he will be hated in another week. Of course, he needs a ringing endorsement from Palin yet.

And then Cantor is really going to have a sad. He will be moaning “how could I lose to this guy?”

Not soon, I suspect. This jackass could be in the House for several terms.

235 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 5:38:50pm

baked stuffed scallops
tasted good on the way down

the after-burps, not so much!!

((and I still have my hellacious headache)))

236 Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2014 5:39:38pm

Just signed my lease renewal. The commute is still MINE. But the rent hasn’t increased in 3 years. Yeah, it’s all good!

Hadda share my happiness!

237 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 5:40:54pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Oh, and speaking of the Bergdahl story, our strange invasion of gossipy sock puppets continues over here:

littlegreenfootballs.com

I certainly missed all the good stuff on that thread.

238 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 5:41:39pm

re: #234 EPR-radar

Not soon, I suspect. This jackass could be in the House for several terms.

The Constitution would be tossed in the garbage dump by the theocrats like Brat.

And they already have a foot in the door with their part time ones. Now they have a full time, clever boy who combines religion and a kind of libertarianism (but only economic) which really does appeal to the bagger types. He is exactly what the religio-political right, prosperity gospel crowd wants.

239 thedopefishlives  Jun 11, 2014 5:42:39pm

re: #237 Skip Intro

I certainly missed all the good stuff on that thread.

I always miss the good stuff. Sigh. Oh well, the troll barbecue is still here.

240 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 5:43:58pm

re: #232 ObserverArt

How long before America is sick of this clown? The way it is going he will be hated in another week. Of course, he needs a ringing endorsement from Palin yet.

He’s hitting all the right notes for his audience so far. He could be the next GOPTP superstar.

Ted Cruz better watch his back, because the new guy may just sneak past him in 2016.

241 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 5:44:18pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea

Just signed my lease renewal. The commute is still MINE. But the rent hasn’t increased in 3 years. Yeah, it’s all good!

Hadda share my happiness!

I found out my rent will continue to be the same as it was when I moved in here in 2010; going on my fifth year. So, congratulations! I will gladly sign another year lease, too. : )

242 klys  Jun 11, 2014 5:45:16pm

re: #241 Justanotherhuman

I found out my rent will continue to be the same as it was when I moved in here in 2010; going on my fifth year. So, congratulations! I will gladly sign another year lease, too. : )

I …sent in the signed contract & deposit for getting the house repiped?

243 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 5:46:20pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Oh, and speaking of the Bergdahl story, our strange invasion of gossipy sock puppets continues over here:

littlegreenfootballs.com

I don’t suppose you could change the thread title color, say to red, when you’ve got a live one. I come here for the discussions, but I live for the crazy.

244 ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2014 5:46:55pm

re: #234 EPR-radar

Not soon, I suspect. This jackass could be in the House for several terms.

True, but I mention America growing sick of him. You are probably right that his district will keep him in for a time. I am thinking America in general will not like him. He will be looked at as another Tea Nut crazy wingnut. It is a hope that a guy like this will further paint the GOP in a bad light nationally and maybe even start to make people more aware of them statewide and in districts.

The key for the Democrats is to turn out the vote this fall. There are gains to be had, but they need to motivate people to go out and keep Republicans out to prevent getting your own Tea Nut in your district because they may be coming. The GOP needs to be dipped heavily in the crazy tea. Like many here are saying, the Republican Party is THE Tea Party. Make that a bad thing and make it a major point.

245 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 11, 2014 5:47:43pm

Dumbest Man On Teh Internets is also a racist:
HAR HAR THAT’S A KNEE SLAPPER!!!!!

246 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 5:50:35pm

re: #245 Pie-onist Overlord

Dumbest Man On Teh Internets is also a racist:
HAR HAR THAT’S A KNEE SLAPPER!!!!!

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DimJim hit the trifecta of Derp with that one.

247 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 5:51:03pm

What Princess Dumbass of the North is saying about David Brat (since he won over Cantor, of course). She didn’t see this one coming, though.

“Congratulations to Dave Brat in Virginia on such an encouraging victory tonight! You shocked the political world and reminded D.C. that power lies with We the People and not any conventional party establishment.” Blah, blah, blah.

The commenters think Brat is the Second Coming.

Would someone please cut her damned mic?

248 wrenchwench  Jun 11, 2014 5:51:33pm

My new landlord at the shop is wonderful. He fixed the swamp cooler. The rent is the same as when I took the place in 1999.

My new landlord at home—not so much. She’s raising the rent over 20% next month. And she’s moving into the unit next door. And she will have NO yard for her boxer, and she has an ‘indoor/outdoor’ cat who eats lizards. :O

249 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 5:51:56pm

re: #244 ObserverArt

True, but I mention America growing sick of him. You are probably right that his district will keep him in for a time. I am thinking America in general will not like him. He will be looked at as another Tea Nut crazy wingnut. It is a hope that a guy like this will further paint the GOP in a bad light nationally and maybe even start to make people more aware of them statewide and in districts.

The key for the Democrats is to turn out the vote this fall. There are gains to be had, but they need to motivate people to go out and keep Republicans out to prevent getting your own Tea Nut in your district because they may be coming. The GOP needs to be dipped heavily in the crazy tea. Like many here are saying, the Republican Party is THE Tea Party. Make that a bad thing and make it a major point.

This is pretty much my take on it as well.

GOP esse delendam.

Perhaps with theocrats like Brat in the house, undecided and swing voters will finally start to see how extreme the GOP really is.

250 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 11, 2014 5:52:00pm

re: #245 Pie-onist Overlord

Dumbest Man On Teh Internets is also a racist:
HAR HAR THAT’S A KNEE SLAPPER!!!!!

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Dennis Miller made the racist joke, Dim Jim thought it was Teh Funniez.

251 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 5:53:09pm

Hahaha.

252 ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2014 5:53:21pm

re: #247 Justanotherhuman

What Princess Dumbass of the North is saying about David Brat (since he won over Cantor, of course). She didn’t see this one coming, though.

“Congratulations to Dave Brat in Virginia on such an encouraging victory tonight! You shocked the political world and reminded D.C. that power lies with We the People and not any conventional party establishment.” Blah, blah, blah.

The commenters think Brat is the Second Coming.

Would someone please cut her damned mic?

Awww, She is a cuckoo clock. She has to come out and get her time. Then back in her hole. After awhile you start to ignore it.

253 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 5:55:59pm

re: #242 klys

I …sent in the signed contract & deposit for getting the house repiped?

Ouch!

254 Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2014 5:57:35pm

re: #241 Justanotherhuman

I found out my rent will continue to be the same as it was when I moved in here in 2010; going on my fifth year. So, congratulations! I will gladly sign another year lease, too. : )

We are perfect tenants, obviously!

255 Zamb  Jun 11, 2014 5:57:52pm

re: #229 Justanotherhuman

“For the first 13 years of your kid’s life, we teach them no religion, no philosophy, and no ethics…Who is our great moral teachers these days? Every generation has always had great theologians or philosophers by the century that you can name. Who do we got right now? [Audience: Jay-Z] Right. Right. [Audience: Beyoncé] Right. Beyoncé. When you can’t name a serious philosopher, a national name, or a serious theologian, or a serious religious leader, at the national level, your culture’s got a major problem. We got a major problem.”

Yea for sure, no one teaches kids about religion until they are 13. Of course that’s not actually the point its to bitch about black people eroding our pure white culture.

256 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 5:58:56pm
257 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 5:58:58pm

re: #255 Zamb

Can anyone name a serious Republican?

I can’t either.

258 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 5:59:54pm

re: #256 teleskiguy

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someone had WAAAYYYYY too much time on their hands!!!
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259 Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2014 6:01:05pm

re: #248 wrenchwench

My new landlord at the shop is wonderful. He fixed the swamp cooler. The rent is the same as when I took the place in 1999.

My new landlord at home—not so much. She’s raising the rent over 20% next month. And she’s moving into the unit next door. And she will have NO yard for her boxer, and she has an ‘indoor/outdoor’ cat who eats lizards. :O

Oh hell.

260 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 6:01:24pm

re: #256 teleskiguy

Impressive. I’m fond of the idea that George Martin’s master plan is to have the readers root for the undead abominations when they finally come to wipe out Westeros.

261 wrenchwench  Jun 11, 2014 6:04:06pm

re: #259 Stanley Sea

Oh hell.

By ‘over 20%’, I mean 21% (I just did the math) and the rent is still under $600, which I know is dirt cheap in the rest of the country.

What I hated is the reason she gave for the increase. ‘I have to cash-flow it’. In other words, we’re paying the mortgage on the duplex that we all live in.

On the other hand, she’s had to pay to have a new sewer line run….

262 OhNoZombies!  Jun 11, 2014 6:04:46pm

re: #61 EPR-radar

What part of “65% Shia, 32% Sunni” was unclear to the idiots in the Bush administration that thought toppling Saddam Hussein meant ‘mission accomplished’?

Late to the party, so forgive me if someone has already said this…
I’m pretty sure it was the Shia and Sunni part that wasn’t really clear.
At least Bush didn’t know that there was a difference.

263 Zamb  Jun 11, 2014 6:05:20pm

re: #260 EPR-radar

Wouldn’t be completely out there no one is actually sure what the old gods of the Starks are, and they are certainly no friend of the red god that opposes the great other

264 wrenchwench  Jun 11, 2014 6:06:04pm

Later, lizards.

265 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 6:06:21pm

re: #262 OhNoZombies!

Late to the party, so forgive me if someone has already said this…
I’m pretty sure it was the Shia and Sunni part that wasn’t really clear.
At least Bush didn’t know that there was a difference.

Even in the W years, there were career civil servants in the State Department that knew this issue very well. The asshats at the political level couldn’t be bothered to listen.

266 Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2014 6:06:26pm

re: #261 wrenchwench

Hate to down you more, but living next to the landlord would not work for me. Maybe she’s cool enough?

267 Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2014 6:07:30pm

re: #262 OhNoZombies!

Late to the party, so forgive me if someone has already said this…
I’m pretty sure it was the Shia and Sunni part that wasn’t really clear.
At least Bush didn’t know that there was a difference.

Smart people told him/them. They chose not to listen.

They built this.

268 Decatur Deb  Jun 11, 2014 6:08:55pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Jackpot!

Wonder how much is US hundreds?

269 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 6:10:00pm

U.S. drone attack kills six Islamists responsible for the Karachi airport attack

Amid peace talks with the Taliban, Pakistani PM Nawaz Sharif urges President Obama to halt drone attacks.

270 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 6:10:40pm

oh,,, goody

A mere three (+) hours to go and headache from hell is STILL kicking my butt

271 abolitionist  Jun 11, 2014 6:12:04pm

Charles, and others, in case you missed this:
Twitter fixes popular TweetDeck program after hack
6:03 p.m. EDT — Excerpt:

“Tweetdeck appears to have jumped on this issue and patched it, but we’re still seeing it spread like wildfire through Twitter,” said Trey Ford, a security expert at Rapid7, a security firm based in Boston.

“This vulnerability very specifically renders a tweet as code in the browser, allowing various cross site scripting (XSS) attacks to be run by simply viewing a tweet. The current attack we’re seeing is a “worm” that self-replicates by creating malicious tweets,” he said.

272 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 6:13:12pm

re: #271 abolitionist

Charles, and others, in case you missed this:
Twitter fixes popular TweetDeck program after hack
6:03 p.m. EDT — Excerpt:

Still glad I never signed up for Twitter.

Or FB. : )

273 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 6:14:57pm

re: #271 abolitionist

The current attack we’re seeing is a “worm” that self-replicates by creating malicious tweets,” he said.

How is that any different from normal Twitter traffic?

274 Decatur Deb  Jun 11, 2014 6:15:41pm

re: #270 sattv4u2

oh,,, goody

A mere three (+) hours to go and headache from hell is STILL kicking my butt

You’re not alone, there?

275 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 6:16:03pm

What kind of support? Using personnel we already have in Iraq?

White House: Vice President spoke with Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan about situation around Mosul, Iraq; Biden says US prepared to support Turkey’s efforts to bring back hostages - statement via @NBCNews
End of alert

276 abolitionist  Jun 11, 2014 6:16:56pm

re: #273 Skip Intro

How is that any different from normal Twitter traffic?

Ha! Good one.

277 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 6:20:43pm

Uh oh, thread dead.

278 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 6:21:59pm

GG iterates his love of Brat.

And hatred of govt.

279 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 6:24:23pm

re: #278 Justanotherhuman

GG iterates his love of Brat.

Fascinating. GG is forgetting that GOP primary voters pretty much are crazy insane fanatics. By definition.

281 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 6:24:55pm

re: #274 Decatur Deb

You’re not alone, there?

There are a couple of broadcast operators

I’m the only engineer on duty

282 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 6:25:54pm

re: #274 Decatur Deb

re: #281 sattv4u2

There are a couple of broadcast operators

I’m the only engineer on duty

final preps for World Cup opening day are GGGGAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!

283 Zamb  Jun 11, 2014 6:26:55pm

re: #278 Justanotherhuman

I’m certain Glenn will be just as tough on the new christian theocracy these fuckers bring on as he is against Obama and the NSA

284 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 6:27:54pm

re: #275 Justanotherhuman

What kind of support? Using personnel we already have in Iraq?

White House: Vice President spoke with Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan about situation around Mosul, Iraq; Biden says US prepared to support Turkey’s efforts to bring back hostages - statement via @NBCNews
End of alert

We have a bunch of guys in gitmo who’d love to go home in a prisoner swap.

285 Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2014 6:28:30pm

Stalkers getting frisky again.

286 ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2014 6:28:44pm

re: #278 Justanotherhuman

GG iterates his love of Brat.

What kind of crazy, insane fanatics would decide they don’t want to be represented by Eric Cantor? Why would they hate DC establishment?

And hatred of govt.

Glenn the Anarchist Journalist.

Tear it all down and I will write about it.

287 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 6:29:01pm

re: #278 Justanotherhuman

GG iterates his love of Brat.

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And hatred of govt.

A gay, teabag loving Jew. Glenn really knows how to pick his party.

288 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 11, 2014 6:29:48pm

re: #287 Skip Intro

A gay Jew. Glenn really knows how to pick his party.

Please do not associate that psychopath with gays or Jews.

289 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jun 11, 2014 6:30:06pm

re: #200 danarchy

Who knew there was a world pun championship? I have to wonder if any lizards competed…
m.laweekly.com

I submitted 10 puns to this competition. I was hoping at least one would win, but unfortunately no pun in 10 did.

290 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2014 6:31:35pm

re: #275 Justanotherhuman

What kind of support? Using personnel we already have in Iraq?

White House: Vice President spoke with Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan about situation around Mosul, Iraq; Biden says US prepared to support Turkey’s efforts to bring back hostages - statement via @NBCNews
End of alert

Turkey requested an emergency NATO meeting earlier today.

291 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 6:31:40pm

re: #289 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I submitted 10 puns to this competition. I was hoping at least one would win, but unfortunately no pun in 10 did.

And that should finally kill off this thread.

292 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 6:32:07pm

re: #288 Pie-onist Overlord

Please do not associate that psychopath with gays or Jews.

Excellent point.

293 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 6:32:47pm

re: #291 Skip Intro

And that should finally kill off this thread.

Punnish him!

294 OhNoZombies!  Jun 11, 2014 6:32:58pm

Does GG realize that he’s an anathema to the whack-a-doos he’s cheering for?
SMH

295 urbanmeemaw  Jun 11, 2014 6:33:25pm

re: #100 Justanotherhuman

This is such bullshit, designed to no doubt engender some empathy for Snowjob.

[Embedded content]

“Wizner and Snowden also stand for the new coalition which has grown over the past years. Old leftists collaborate with hackers now, progressive computer experts suddenly agree with the backward Tea Party movement in the US. Snowden’s popularity is transfered to the ACLU - and the ACLU protects him in return. A new world for Snowden, a new world for Wizner.”

Really? Not this “old leftist”.

Empathy for Snowden and cash flow to Godwald trapped in Obama’s gulag and the dude bro’s at the ACLU.

Wasn’t that robot thing-y awfully creepy? What’s next? Sacrificing goats on pyres in front of the robot’s eye? And the media just keep fawning and drooling. It’s disgusting.

296 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 6:33:55pm

re: #292 Justanotherhuman

Excellent point.

My point is that Glenn has sided with a party that knows he’s going to hell, and would be happy help him get there sooner by stoning him.

297 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 6:34:31pm

No doubt they will meet resistance this time.

Militants who seized parts of northern and north-central Iraq now plan to march on Baghdad, SITE Intelligence Group says - @AFP
see original on twitter.com

298 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 11, 2014 6:35:00pm
299 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 6:36:44pm

re: #296 Skip Intro

My point is that Glenn has sided with a party that knows he’s going to hell, and would be happy help him get there sooner by stoning him.

GG is safely in Brazil, where he only has to worry about the excesses of US RWNJs if they manage to start world war III.

300 abolitionist  Jun 11, 2014 6:38:51pm

re: #297 Justanotherhuman

No doubt they will meet resistance this time.

Militants who seized parts of northern and north-central Iraq now plan to march on Baghdad, SITE Intelligence Group says - @AFP
see original on twitter.com

I suspect they may try blending in with the half-million-plus new refugees in northern Iraq (according to some reports).

301 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2014 6:39:47pm

Here’s the “stone the gays” guy we were talking about earlier today.

302 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 6:40:25pm

re: #298 Pie-onist Overlord

DERP

“My hero Socrates trained in Plato on a rock. How much did that cost? So the greatest minds in history became the greatest minds in history without spending a lot of money.”

303 HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2014 6:40:53pm

It’s very easy for GG to ignore the GOP’s hatred of gays. I mean it’s not like him and Miranda would be effected by their adverse policies. I don’t blame the voters for rejecting Cantor but yeah I definitely fault them for voting for a genuine nutcase. Just because the establishment suck doesn’t mean some nutter who thinks that Laiessez-Faire capitalism and Conservative Christianity are the only philosophy for this country needs to be picked. It would be nice if instead of sending nutjobs like Brat to represent them, GOP primary voters would replace people like Cantor with reasonable people.

304 HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2014 6:41:29pm

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s the “stone the gays” guy we were talking about earlier today.

[Embedded content]

Uh oh he’s got a goatee. Probably a Taliban member./

305 Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2014 6:41:54pm
306 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2014 6:42:06pm
307 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 6:43:00pm

Stockman!

308 HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2014 6:43:32pm

re: #302 teleskiguy

DERP

The funny thing is i imagine Plato’s family which according to wiki was among the most wealthy in Athens paid quite a bit to have Socrates educate their son. But really Brat’s a quack. Really if he feels that strongly about education, why did he go to grad school? Oh wait, he’s a conservative. THings like post graduate educations aren’t for the little people.

309 HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2014 6:44:14pm

re: #307 Gus

Stockman!

Robin Williams can play him in the movie if David Koechner(Champ Kind from Anchorman) can play Louie.

310 Zamb  Jun 11, 2014 6:44:45pm

re: #302 teleskiguy

Plato’s family was rich as fuck.

311 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 6:44:54pm

re: #298 Pie-onist Overlord

The Brat campaign has been very busy today memory-holing internet stuff.

After Mother Jones published this piece, several videos referenced were set to private.

312 Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2014 6:45:26pm

We have a Dave Brat fan on the stealth down-ding.

313 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 6:45:29pm

re: #308 HappyWarrior

The funny thing is i imagine Plato’s family which according to wiki was among the most wealthy in Athens paid quite a bit to have Socrates educate their son. But really Brat’s a quack. Really if he feels that strongly about education, why did he go to grad school? Oh wait, he’s a conservative. THings like post graduate educations aren’t for the little people.

I’m amused by the fact that there’s at least one Socratic dialogue that would doubtless blow Mr. Brat’s tiny mind —- “What is the Good?”.

Authoritarian religion does not fare well in that work.

314 Varek Raith  Jun 11, 2014 6:45:57pm

Jim D, come on down, you’re the next contestant on the Price is Right!

315 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 6:46:01pm

re: #307 Gus

Stockman!

The glasses aren’t helping, Steve. You still look like a douche.

316 Kragar  Jun 11, 2014 6:46:43pm

re: #312 Charles Johnson

We have a Dave Brat fan on the stealth down-ding.

Trust a whiny bitch Tea partier to try to fly under the radar.

317 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 6:47:23pm

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318 HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2014 6:47:24pm

re: #310 Zamb

Plato’s family was rich as fuck.

Figured as much given Plato’s attitudes. But really using how one philosopher was educated thousands of years ago? Even the people in the Middle Age saw the value of higher learning.

319 BongCrodny  Jun 11, 2014 6:48:20pm

I don’t know whether you can put any stock in this at all, but it’s sort of interesting: A commenter over at Kos was mentioning that he’d heard of a Democrat get out the vote effort in Virginia’s 7th designed for the sole purpose of making Eric Cantor an ex-Representative.

Time will prove whether Brat’s batshit insane — and the early warning signs are *not* promising — but if you’ve got a Majority Leader who continually acts like a horse’s ass (the Washington Post said there had been 54 votes to defund Obamacare as of March of this year; I assume there have been at least a couple more since then), why not get him the fuck out of Dodge when you have a chance?

320 Jim D  Jun 11, 2014 6:49:03pm

re: #316 Kragar

Are you referring to my inadvertent downding that’s since been corrected? I don’t post much, but it should be clear from my history that I’m not a Tea partier and calling me a whiny bitch is a bit out of line.

321 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 6:50:00pm

re: #318 HappyWarrior

Figured as much given Plato’s attitudes. But really using how one philosopher was educated thousands of years ago? Even the people in the Middle Age saw the value of higher learning.

Only the rich deserve an education, and they should pay for it themselves by hiring tutors (at minimum wage, I’m sure) is the way I read it.

322 Kragar  Jun 11, 2014 6:51:50pm

re: #320 Jim D

Are you referring to my inadvertent downding that’s since been corrected? I don’t post much, but it should be clear from my history that I’m not a Tea partier and calling me a whiny bitch is a bit out of line.

If it wasn’t you, then I must mean someone else

323 Zamb  Jun 11, 2014 6:52:42pm

re: #318 HappyWarrior

Hell Socrates didn’t use writing and thought it made people lazy perhaps we should do away with that too. Of course he’s really just bitching about overpaid teachers who he seems to think should be doing their job just for the joy of it.

324 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 6:54:58pm

Revealed: Mormon student gunman, 15, argued with classmates about Hitler just one week before he arrived at school with a hidden arsenal and opened fire in the boy’s locker room, killing one, wounding a teacher then shooting himself dead

…On Padgett’s Facebook page, the 15-year-old liked two tactical knife companies, M4 assault rifles and political pages such as ‘Conservative American Military Veterans Against Barack Obama’ and ‘We WILL NOT Be Disarmed.’

These strong pro-gun opinions may have been inherited from his family. His brother-in-law Andrew Cooper wrote on Facebook that school shootings could be prevented with more armed guards.

‘Dear President Obama, here, I’ll help you out to create jobs a little, oh and more importantly- SAVE LIVES; advise the states to employ at least 2 specially trained police officers to constantly patrol all school campuses from kindergarden [sic] through all colleges. Duh,’ Cooper wrote in December 2012.

Padgett, whose family attended a Mormon church ward in Hartley Park in Gresham was described by fellow worshiper Earl Milliron, 86 ‘as a quiet young man who was very involved in the church’…

325 Shvaughn  Jun 11, 2014 6:55:15pm

re: #319 BongCrodny

I don’t know whether you can put any stock in this at all, but it’s sort of interesting: A commenter over at Kos was mentioning that he’d heard of a Democrat get out the vote effort in Virginia’s 7th designed for the sole purpose of making Eric Cantor an ex-Representative.

The Cooter Factor.

326 Shvaughn  Jun 11, 2014 6:56:32pm

re: #324 Gus

Revealed: Mormon student gunman, 15, argued with classmates about Hitler just one week before he arrived at school with a hidden arsenal and opened fire in the boy’s locker room, killing one, wounding a teacher then shooting himself dead

…On Padgett’s Facebook page, the 15-year-old liked two tactical knife companies, M4 assault rifles and political pages such as ‘Conservative American Military Veterans Against Barack Obama’ and ‘We WILL NOT Be Disarmed.’

He’s probably not a right-winger though. We can’t call him that. He must be mentally ill.

///

328 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 6:57:33pm

re: #326 Shvaughn

Revealed: Mormon student gunman, 15, argued with classmates about Hitler just one week before he arrived at school with a hidden arsenal and opened fire in the boy’s locker room, killing one, wounding a teacher then shooting himself dead

…On Padgett’s Facebook page, the 15-year-old liked two tactical knife companies, M4 assault rifles and political pages such as ‘Conservative American Military Veterans Against Barack Obama’ and ‘We WILL NOT Be Disarmed.’

He’s probably not a right-winger though. We can’t call him that. He must be mentally ill.

///

Another national SOCIALIST! //

329 Justanotherhuman  Jun 11, 2014 6:57:53pm

Notice the date on this. Four months later (at least that was admitted, or was it earlier?), Snowjob contacted GG, at least he says not anonymously (which he did in late 2012).

cuindependent.com

I detest the description of GG as a “liberal”, though. And exactly how many “civil rights” cases did he actually work? I can think of one, Matthew F. Hale. Any others he might have done, well, we have to take his word on. And his word isn’t worth a whole lot, as we have discovered.

“Glenn Greenwald, a liberal writer and former Constitutional and civil rights litigator, participated in the panel and spoke about the constitutional amendments currently under attack.”

And look who he was hanging out with, BTW, since this was a conservative meeting promoted and held by Young Americans for Liberty, formed at the end of Ron Paul’s campaign in 2008.

Jack Hunter, a conservative talk radio personality and contributor to The American Conservative magazine

Jacob Hornberger, founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation, a libertarian educational group

330 ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2014 6:59:10pm

re: #328 Gus

Another national SOCIALIST! //

I’m sick of the Mormon church turning out progressive liberals with guns.

///

331 Kragar  Jun 11, 2014 7:00:11pm
332 calochortus  Jun 11, 2014 7:00:42pm

re: #229 Justanotherhuman

More whacked out cant from The Brat. Who obviously doesn’t believe anything at all in the Constitution, including the “common” good.

“He frets about the state of morality in schools and about Beyoncé:

“For the first 13 years of your kid’s life, we teach them no religion, no philosophy, and no ethics…Who is our great moral teachers these days? Every generation has always had great theologians or philosophers by the century that you can name. Who do we got right now? [Audience: Jay-Z] Right. Right. [Audience: Beyoncé] Right. Beyoncé. When you can’t name a serious philosopher, a national name, or a serious theologian, or a serious religious leader, at the national level, your culture’s got a major problem. We got a major problem.”

motherjones.com

[bolding mine]

I note that he wants to teach your kids his religion. You teaching his kids your beliefs? Probably not so much.
I thought these guys didn’t want the state involved in teaching this stuff that ought to be the family’s responsibility?

333 Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2014 7:01:01pm

Ya gotta click through.

334 Zamb  Jun 11, 2014 7:01:08pm

re: #330 ObserverArt

MORMON! Just like Harry Reid.

335 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2014 7:01:24pm

heh, more crazy in VA-7:

Libertarian candidates file for November elections

James Carr in the 7th District running against Democratic nominee Jack Trammell and Republican nominee David Brat.

And he has a website:

jamescarrforcongress.org

336 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 7:01:39pm
These strong pro-gun opinions may have been inherited from his family. His brother-in-law Andrew Cooper wrote on Facebook that school shootings could be prevented with more armed guards.

‘Dear President Obama, here, I’ll help you out to create jobs a little, oh and more importantly- SAVE LIVES; advise the states to employ at least 2 specially trained police officers to constantly patrol all school campuses from kindergarden [sic] through all colleges. Duh,’ Cooper wrote in December 2012.

Obama’s fault! I just knew it!

337 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 11, 2014 7:03:44pm

re: #333 Stanley Sea

Ya gotta click through.

[Embedded content]

Crystal Meth(eny)

338 BongCrodny  Jun 11, 2014 7:04:03pm

re: #331 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Ah, well — it was a nice thought that Dems had something to do with shipping Cantor back to the private sector. :-)

339 Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2014 7:05:19pm

re: #337 Pie-onist Overlord

Crystal Meth(eny)

I love the conversation with the record’s lady.

340 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 11, 2014 7:06:36pm

re: #272 Justanotherhuman

Still glad I never signed up for Twitter.

Or FB. : )

I thought I was the only one!

341 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 7:08:57pm

re: #340 NJDhockeyfan

I thought I was the only one!

There’s at least 3 of us then.

342 ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2014 7:10:12pm

re: #336 Skip Intro

Obama’s fault! I just knew it!

That’s it, fix it the American way. Instead of looking into what might be behind some of this country’s gun craziness and what might be done to change the thinking we add a patch. This is like being a body shop and all you have is a common hammer, some bondo and a roll of duct tape. Good to go!

343 ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2014 7:11:38pm

re: #341 Skip Intro

There’s at least 3 of us then.

Me four.

344 calochortus  Jun 11, 2014 7:12:23pm

re: #343 ObserverArt

Me four.

Five here.

345 Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2014 7:12:47pm

No facebook, but I love twitter.

I like to read stuff strangers post, but not stuff people I know (and their ridiculous friends) post.

346 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 7:13:40pm

re: #344 calochortus

Five here.

Wow. Is there a Luddite sub-forum we could all meet in?

347 dog philosopher  Jun 11, 2014 7:14:15pm

ISIS aims to set up a state in a continuous stretch of territory from Sunni-dominated Anbar province in Iraq eastward to Raqqa province in northeast Syria.

holy shit

348 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 7:14:27pm

The Significance of Bergdahl’s “Washing Out” of the Coast GuardSounds like he may have had some mental issues.

349 calochortus  Jun 11, 2014 7:16:47pm

re: #346 Skip Intro

Wow. Is there a Luddite sub-forum we could all meet in?

Probably, but we’d need to be more tech savvy to do it…
/

350 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 7:17:04pm

re: #348 Killgore Trout

The Significance of Bergdahl’s “Washing Out” of the Coast GuardSounds like he may have had some mental issues.

Yeah. Was just reading that
((welll,, not just ,, a couple of hours ago)))

351 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 11, 2014 7:18:29pm

Todd you are an asshole and a horrible human being.

352 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 7:18:37pm
353 BongCrodny  Jun 11, 2014 7:19:04pm

re: #346 Skip Intro

Wow. Is there a Luddite sub-forum we could all meet in?

I got a couple of tin cans and a string.

354 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 7:19:21pm

re: #349 calochortus

Probably, but we’d need to be more tech savvy to do it…
/

Well, I’ve got a 9600 baud modem lying around here somewhere and some BBS software, so I could host it.

You all still have your DOS disks, right?

355 bratwurst  Jun 11, 2014 7:19:55pm

re: #348 Killgore Trout

The Significance of Bergdahl’s “Washing Out” of the Coast GuardSounds like he may have had some mental issues.

Some mental issues? Well that settles it…he deserved a lifetime of Taliban captivity! /

356 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 11, 2014 7:20:10pm

I’m watching “Crossbones” on Hulu. John Malkovich as Blackbeard. A MOST EXCELLENT show. I want to be John Malkovich, I don’t care that the gig is already taken. I want to be that cool

RBS

357 Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2014 7:20:35pm
358 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 7:21:01pm

re: #347 dog philosopher

That looks, uh, ugly, doesn’t it?

359 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 11, 2014 7:21:40pm

re: #353 BongCrodny

I got a couple of tin cans and a string.

We can do it on AmishNet…. I understand that they have the latest in kerosene powered routers.

RBS

360 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 7:24:09pm

re: #355 bratwurst

Well that settles it…he deserved a lifetime of Taliban captivity! /

Sound like he probably shouldn’t have been in the military.

361 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 7:25:19pm

re: #272 Justanotherhuman

Still glad I never signed up for Twitter.

Or FB. : )

I get all my news from Twitter.

It’s cool to reach out to people you admire as well. A few badass pro skiers follow my Twitter account. Kelly Carlin, George’s daughter, started following me last month. Steve Martin retweeted me once! That was fun!

It’s also a good source of cool pictures ( @PoromEmilio ), weird jokes and, well, just weird.

362 calochortus  Jun 11, 2014 7:25:34pm

re: #359 RealityBasedSteve

We can do it on AmishNet…. I understand that they have the latest in kerosene powered routers.

RBS

Batteries. They use a lot of batteries. Along with propane powered appliances. But the kerosene lantern fumes on a dark day at Zook’s store in Intercourse, PA will just about kill you.

363 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2014 7:25:51pm

Goats!

364 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 7:28:13pm

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

GOATS

Youtube Video

365 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 7:31:01pm

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #364 teleskiguy

GOAT!!
Image: HTH%20Goat%20Cooking%203.jpg

(the other OTHER white meat)

366 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 11, 2014 7:31:59pm

re: #362 calochortus

Batteries. They use a lot of batteries. Along with propane powered appliances. But the kerosene lantern fumes on a dark day at Zook’s store in Intercourse, PA will just about kill you.

There is a fair sized Mennonite (not Amish, but simular) presence here where I live. I often see them when I’m out cycling, you can tell the houses easy from the road since there are no utility lines running into them from the road.

It took me quite a while to figure out what the weird wear marks on the road were, it’s from the steel bands on wheels of their buggies.

I see them all the time in Walmart, they don’t drive cars, but they do drive tractors, so they hook up a trailer behind the wagon, with a storage shed on that. That way they can drive into town, everybody rides in comfort.

RBS

367 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 11, 2014 7:32:03pm

re: #354 Skip Intro

Well, I’ve got a 9600 baud modem lying around here somewhere and some BBS software, so I could host it.

You all still have your DOS disks, right?

I have cassettes and a cassette player. Should I hook it up?

368 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 11, 2014 7:32:29pm

re: #65 dog philosopher

well their main concern imho was that saddam had ‘nationalized’ the oil processing profits

first thing we did when we went back in was to give it all back to bp, with generous contracts cut for halliburton of course

cheney et al will not consider it in vain unless and until an al qaida iraq takes the contracts away from westerners

The Kurds and Peshmerga might be the monkey wrench in ISIL’s plan to take over the oil patch.

369 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2014 7:33:55pm

re: #366 RealityBasedSteve

The Amish who live in my neighborhood are really into solar energy. Lots of panels installed at their farms. But they use them to power up the barns and workshops, not their houses.

370 dog philosopher  Jun 11, 2014 7:34:01pm

re: #367 NJDhockeyfan

I have cassettes and a cassette player. Should I hook it up?

i once had a trash 80 that stored data to a cassette

371 ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2014 7:34:12pm

re: #346 Skip Intro

Wow. Is there a Luddite sub-forum we could all meet in?

With me it is not about being non-tech. I understand computers pretty well having produced a lot of graphic arts projects and run eCommerce sites and other uses.

I’m a bit too private for it all. And strangely, many of my friends and family feel the same way. We stay in contact the old fashioned ways. I guess we are all strange socially…together.

372 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2014 7:35:56pm
373 Bear  Jun 11, 2014 7:36:48pm

re: #370 dog philosopher

Apple 2 also. Needed a cheep player to load system.

374 Decatur Deb  Jun 11, 2014 7:36:49pm

re: #341 Skip Intro

There’s at least 3 of us then.

4

375 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 7:37:20pm

re: #374 Decatur Deb

4

5

376 Romantic Heretic  Jun 11, 2014 7:38:53pm

re: #258 sattv4u2

someone had WAAAYYYYY too much time on their hands!!!
/

Oh, they’re serious.

Which is a major problem considering cold hearted insanity is the best we can hope from them.

377 Decatur Deb  Jun 11, 2014 7:40:08pm

re: #373 Bear

Apple 2 also. Needed a cheep player to load system.

Korean knock off of an Apple 2, 48K with a Panasonic recorder to store things like ‘Hamurabi” when we typed them in. Note ‘correct’ spelling of Hamurabi.

378 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 7:41:00pm

re: #376 Romantic Heretic

Oh, they’re serious.

Which is a major problem considering cold hearted insanity is the best we can hope from them.

A couple of my friends are reading the series “just for the deaths.” Seriously. Violence porn. Not a fan.

379 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 11, 2014 7:41:22pm

re: #79 Aunty Entity Dragon

People in his White House actually had to be briefed on what Sunni and Shiite Muslims were…including Mr C plus at Harvard W Bush.

He made a point of leaving out most of the experienced hands from his dad’s days. Instead, we got kids from Falwell’s university being sent to the Green Zone to make rules for the new Iraqi stock exchange (true) while the country turned into a Hobbesian nightmare under the CPA and Paul Bremer.

One of the vetting questions for those being sent to Iraq in the early US occupation was, “are you pro-choice?”

380 Targetpractice  Jun 11, 2014 7:41:57pm

re: #375 sattv4u2

5

6

381 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 11, 2014 7:42:00pm

re: #370 dog philosopher

i once had a trash 80 that stored data to a cassette

This was the computer they had in my high school’s computer room

Tandy Radio Shack TRS-80

382 Decatur Deb  Jun 11, 2014 7:46:09pm

re: #380 Targetpractice

6

In solidarity with twitterers, I keep most comments under 140 characters.

383 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 7:46:18pm

re: #371 ObserverArt

I’m a bit too private for it all. And strangely, many of my friends and family feel the same way. We stay in contact the old fashioned ways. I guess we are all strange socially…together.

That’s me too. I really don’t want to attract stalkers.

384 Bear  Jun 11, 2014 7:46:28pm

Apple 2 was a color machine. TRS-80 B&W only. Then was the portable Kaypro. Needed a 2 ton truck to move it!! O/S was C/PM.

385 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2014 7:46:31pm

Deputies respond to courthouse threat

SAN ANTONIO — Extra deputies, some wielding assault rifles, were posted outside Bexar County’s courthouse complex Wednesday afternoon after someone reportedly made threats against the courts and a specific judge.
“This is an ongoing investigation, but we have determined the threat is not imminent,” Bexar County Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman Rosanne Hughes said. “We’re still on high alert.”
A male called the Commissioners Court offices, but was looking for a judge, at about 1:35 p.m., Hughes said. He threatening violence against the courthouse in general and the judge if he wasn’t allowed to speak to the official, she said.
Authorities declined to identify which judge was singled out by the caller or to say whether the identity of the caller is known. The nature of the threat also wasn’t immediately disclosed.
The Bexar County Courthouse, Cadena Reeves Justice Center and Elizondo Tower were not evacuated.

386 calochortus  Jun 11, 2014 7:47:00pm

re: #381 NJDhockeyfan

This was the computer they had in my high school’s computer room

Tandy Radio Shack TRS-80

You call that old? When I was in high school some of us got to go over to SRI (Stanford Research Institute) one evening and play on the computer. It would type out stuff on paper, and you would answer the questions by typing-with the text showing up on the same paper. One exchange was something about the capital of Italy and you could answer “Rome” or “Roma.” If the latter you were not only told you were right, but got a comment about “an Italian answer like that was fine.” Or some such.

Good times.

387 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 7:47:40pm

re: #381 NJDhockeyfan

That machine had the crappiest keyboard I ever used. I can still remember those mushy keys.

388 Decatur Deb  Jun 11, 2014 7:49:36pm

re: #384 Bear

Apple 2 was a color machine. TRS-80 B&W only. Then was the portable Kaypro. Needed a 2 ton truck to move it!! O/S was C/PM.

Was able to put a Franklin CPM card in the Apple2. Odd, this laptop double-boots Windows 7 and Linux Mint.

389 Decatur Deb  Jun 11, 2014 7:50:40pm

re: #387 Skip Intro

That machine had the crappiest keyboard I ever used. I can still remember those mushy keys.

A reviewer described the Timex Sinclair rubber membrane board as “dead flesh”.

390 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 11, 2014 7:51:09pm

re: #300 abolitionist

I suspect they may try blending in with the half-million-plus new refugees in northern Iraq (according to some reports).

Oil patch.

391 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 7:51:10pm

re: #384 Bear

Apple 2 was a color machine. TRS-80 B&W only. Then was the portable Kaypro. Needed a 2 ton truck to move it!! O/S was C/PM.

Before the Kaypro there was the Osborne 1. Probably 1000 times heavier than a cell phone with .0001% of the power.

Good times.

392 Petero1818  Jun 11, 2014 7:52:26pm

re: #195 Charles Johnson

Nobody has come forward and confirmed Rosen’s last big anonymously sourced story that Sgt. Bergdahl “converted to Islam,” by the way.

Yes but I believe that he keeps his prayer rug under the work bench in the garage next to the bowl to clean himself, and I believe he has already submitted his name to run for Congress./

393 Bear  Jun 11, 2014 7:53:31pm

Wonder if there is a collectors market for those old machines?

394 Romantic Heretic  Jun 11, 2014 7:53:41pm

re: #384 Bear

Apple 2 was a color machine. TRS-80 B&W only. Then was the portable Kaypro. Needed a 2 ton truck to move it!! O/S was C/PM.

I’ve still got the motherboard for my Apple II. In a display case because it’s an antique.

395 Decatur Deb  Jun 11, 2014 7:55:19pm

re: #391 Skip Intro

Before the Kaypro there was the Osborne 1. Probably 1000 times heavier than a cell phone with .0001% of the power.

Good times.

Then came the first ‘sexy’ computer—the Grid Compass.

Image: grid1101-right.jpg

396 calochortus  Jun 11, 2014 7:56:10pm

re: #393 Bear

Wonder if there is a collectors market for those old machines?

Probably not unless it was the prototype and signed by someone famous.
My husband keeps hoping our Apple II GS will be valuable some day. Or maybe he’s just remembering the good times…

397 Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2014 7:57:33pm

re: #387 Skip Intro

That machine had the crappiest keyboard I ever used. I can still remember those mushy keys.

Wasn’t the TRS-80 the introduction of Visicalc? Precursor to Excel?

398 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 7:57:50pm

re: #393 Bear

Wonder if there is a collectors market for those old machines?

I’m sorry I didn’t keep my Apple II+. Two disk drives, an 80 character card, a CP/M card for some reason, and some other stuff I don’t remember.

After that I went through the whole series of Intel machines, but the only one I miss is the Apple II+.

399 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 7:57:59pm

Hey, everybody’s talking about old old computers. Does anybody remember this? Is it real?

First computer I used and figured out was my dad’s Apple IIe. I played a lot of Oregon Trail, Carmen San Diego, various geography trivia games, and in the 3rd grade I typed a letter to then-President George H.W. Bush asking him why we had to go to war in Iraq on that machine. His office actually responded with a cookie-cutter letter from some White House minion saying “Thank you Charlie, the president is very busy, we appreciate your feedback” and a picture of George and Barbara with their signatures on the bottom (not real signatures, printed).

That shit is sitting somewhere in a box in my basement with all my other papers. I should dig it out and photo it for tomorrow’s #ThrowbackThursday. Nah! That involves wading in a bunch of junk and endless papers.

400 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 7:59:38pm

re: #397 Stanley Sea

Wasn’t the TRS-80 the introduction of Visicalc? Precursor to Excel?

I think that was on the Apple II. Could be wrong, though. It’s been a long time.

The only program I remember for the TRS-80 was dBase II.

401 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 11, 2014 8:00:26pm

re: #354 Skip Intro

Well, I’ve got a 9600 baud modem lying around here somewhere and some BBS software, so I could host it.

You all still have your DOS disks, right?

TCP/IP stack

402 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 8:00:35pm

re: #399 teleskiguy

Nope. Never saw that one before.

403 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 8:01:43pm

re: #401 BeenHereAwhile

TCP/IP stack

Are you kidding?

AT command set all the way, baby!

404 danarchy  Jun 11, 2014 8:01:53pm

re: #395 Decatur Deb

Then came the first ‘sexy’ computer—the Grid Compass.

Image: grid1101-right.jpg

Heh, in ‘97 or so I was cleaning out an old IT closet at the company I was working at at the time and I found one of those.

Also one of these:
oldcomputers.net

405 Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2014 8:02:01pm

re: #400 Skip Intro

I think that was on the Apple II. Could be wrong, though. It’s been a long time.

The only program I remember for the TRS-80 was dBase II.

It def was the old Radio Shack machine. I never worked on a mac. Part time during school was for an insurance company. Spreadsheets.

406 Decatur Deb  Jun 11, 2014 8:03:20pm

re: #401 BeenHereAwhile

TCP/IP stack

Holding in my lap copies of DRDOS, DOS 6.2, and CPQDOS on 3 1/2.

407 Bear  Jun 11, 2014 8:03:53pm

For the most part those ancient “puters will do the same thing today that they did when new. That is if they still work, batteries, power units.

408 Decatur Deb  Jun 11, 2014 8:04:01pm

re: #404 danarchy

Heh, in ‘97 or so I was cleaning out an old IT closet at the company I was working at at the time and I found one of those.

Also one of these:
oldcomputers.net

The ‘Luggable”.

409 Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2014 8:05:00pm

Oh yeah. (started with Apple, but made it to TRS-80)

trs-80.org

410 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 8:05:08pm

re: #405 Stanley Sea

It def was the old Radio Shack machine. I never worked on a mac. Part time during school was for an insurance company. Spreadsheets.

Mac? Vat Is Dis Mac?

We’re talking Apple II running Apple Dos.

“VisiCalc was the first spreadsheet computer program, originally released for the Apple II. It is often considered the application that turned the microcomputer from a hobby for computer enthusiasts into a serious business tool, and is considered the Apple II’s killer app. VisiCalc sold over 700,000 copies in six years, and as many as 1 million copies over its history.”

411 b_sharp  Jun 11, 2014 8:06:25pm

Do old people in the digital age reminisce about old computers?

412 Decatur Deb  Jun 11, 2014 8:07:03pm

re: #411 b_sharp

Do old people in the digital age reminisce about old computers?

Beats counting electric sheep.

413 Bear  Jun 11, 2014 8:07:14pm

re: #411 b_sharp

Guess you may have us pegged.

414 Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2014 8:07:18pm

re: #410 Skip Intro

Mac? Vat Is Dis Mac?

We’re talking Apple II running Apple Dos.

“VisiCalc was the first spreadsheet computer program, originally released for the Apple II. It is often considered the application that turned the microcomputer from a hobby for computer enthusiasts into a serious business tool, and is considered the Apple II’s killer app. VisiCalc sold over 700,000 copies in six years, and as many as 1 million copies over its history.”

Apple/Mac same to me. ha.

415 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2014 8:07:32pm
416 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 8:07:36pm

re: #407 Bear

For the most part those ancient “puters will do the same thing today that they did when new. That is if they still work, batteries, power units.

That’s why I’m pissed off I got rid of mine. It worked fine, and I had some really ancient classic software for it.

For example, the first graphic Adventure program, Mystery House, from Sierra On-Line. It was a real POS, but for the time it was amazing.

417 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 8:07:43pm

re: #411 b_sharp

Do old people in the digital age reminisce about old computers?

I reminisce about cursive writing ,,, with a fountain pen!!

418 calochortus  Jun 11, 2014 8:09:03pm

re: #399 teleskiguy

Hey, everybody’s talking about old old computers. Does anybody remember this? Is it real?

[Embedded content]

I think it is real, but a prototype that was never actually produced for sale.

419 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 8:09:45pm

re: #417 sattv4u2

I reminisce about being able to fit into one of those grade school desks.

How the hell did I ever do that?

420 b_sharp  Jun 11, 2014 8:09:55pm

re: #417 sattv4u2

I reminisce about cursive writing ,,, with a fountain pen!!

My fountain pen always used turquoise ink.

421 BongCrodny  Jun 11, 2014 8:10:07pm

>: 4 8 15 16 23 42

Hey, we’re on an “old computers” thread…

422 calochortus  Jun 11, 2014 8:10:47pm

Good night, lizards. Hasta Mañana and happy reminiscing.

423 Decatur Deb  Jun 11, 2014 8:11:07pm

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

My cat is sad because he worries that gadgets have feelings & feel abandoned when we exchange them for newer models. ]

My daughter taught semi-hardened criminals at the county lock-up. She said the most emotional group reaction she ever got was for a program on the abandonment of one of the Mars rovers.

424 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 8:11:24pm

re: #421 BongCrodny

>: 4 8 15 16 23 42

Hey, we’re on an “old computers” thread…

Yup, this thread was meant to die two hours ago, but look at it now.

425 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 11, 2014 8:12:19pm

re: #366 RealityBasedSteve

There is a fair sized Mennonite (not Amish, but simular) presence here where I live. I often see them when I’m out cycling, you can tell the houses easy from the road since there are no utility lines running into them from the road.

It took me quite a while to figure out what the weird wear marks on the road were, it’s from the steel bands on wheels of their buggies.

I see them all the time in Walmart, they don’t drive cars, but they do drive tractors, so they hook up a trailer behind the wagon, with a storage shed on that. That way they can drive into town, everybody rides in comfort.

RBS

Some Mennonite sects drive cars with black exterior paint and the chrome trim painted black.

426 b_sharp  Jun 11, 2014 8:12:23pm

I still have in storage:
Atari 600
Atari 1200
Atari 520 ST
2 Atari 5-1/4 drives
1 Atari 3-1/2 drive
1 Atari dot matrix printer.
A box of Atari cartridges
A box of 5-1/4 disks with several different Atari OS versions

Why?

427 Decatur Deb  Jun 11, 2014 8:12:26pm

re: #417 sattv4u2

I reminisce about cursive writing ,,, with a fountain pen!!

re: #419 Skip Intro

I reminisce about being able to fit into one of those grade school desks.

How the hell did I ever do that?

Our desks had inkwells, and were bolted to the floor on ‘runners’ like a bobsled.

428 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 8:13:23pm

re: #427 Decatur Deb

Our desks had inkwells, and were bolted to the floor on ‘runners’ like a bobsled.

yup,, same here

429 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 8:13:34pm

re: #428 sattv4u2

yup,, same here

well, THERE ,, then !!

430 b_sharp  Jun 11, 2014 8:14:11pm

re: #429 sattv4u2

well, THERE ,, then !!

And our girls had pigtails.

431 Skip Intro  Jun 11, 2014 8:14:36pm

re: #427 Decatur Deb

Our desks had inkwells, and were bolted to the floor on ‘runners’ like a bobsled.

You went to my school, I see. Did the desktop lift up so you could store stuff there?

432 Decatur Deb  Jun 11, 2014 8:14:46pm

re: #430 b_sharp

And our girls had pigtails.

You had girls?

433 b_sharp  Jun 11, 2014 8:14:48pm

G’night lizards.

Remember to always find the warmest rock.

434 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 8:14:53pm

re: #430 b_sharp

And our girls had pigtails.

i think our pigs had girltails!

435 b_sharp  Jun 11, 2014 8:15:04pm

re: #432 Decatur Deb

You had girls?

Newly invented.

436 Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2014 8:15:04pm

Old fogies.

437 Romantic Heretic  Jun 11, 2014 8:15:29pm

re: #397 Stanley Sea

Wasn’t the TRS-80 the introduction of Visicalc? Precursor to Excel?

As I recall Visicalc came out on the Apple II first with other computers shortly thereafter.

The code was so similar that conversion took very little effort.

438 Belafon  Jun 11, 2014 8:15:39pm

re: #417 sattv4u2

I reminisce about cursive writing ,,, with a fountain pen!!

I think cursive writing should be replaced with typing and/or shorthand.

439 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 8:15:47pm

re: #431 Skip Intro

You went to my school, I see. Did the desktop lift up so you could store stuff there?

ours did

AND ,,,,, if you placed a penny on the hinge, it would cut the penny in half

440 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 8:15:48pm
441 EPR-radar  Jun 11, 2014 8:17:26pm

re: #346 Skip Intro

Wow. Is there a Luddite sub-forum we could all meet in?

No cell phone, no Facebook, and no Twitter here.

442 Decatur Deb  Jun 11, 2014 8:17:50pm

re: #431 Skip Intro

You went to my school, I see. Did the desktop lift up so you could store stuff there?

Devil’s devices. The lid raised, but could also be held up a couple inches by a steel rod. I sat on one and curled my fingertips under the lid when the rod collapsed.

443 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 11, 2014 8:17:53pm

re: #426 b_sharp

I still have in storage:
Atari 600
Atari 1200
Atari 520 ST
2 Atari 5-1/4 drives
1 Atari 3-1/2 drive
1 Atari dot matrix printer.
A box of Atari cartridges
A box of 5-1/4 disks with several different Atari OS versions

Why?

I still have my first computer. An IBM Aptiva 2162 S9H with the new Windows 95. It still works great great. I don’t have the strength to get rid of it.

444 Bear  Jun 11, 2014 8:18:03pm

I see there is a new a new thread. Guess this one is just about dead. It has been interesting though.

445 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2014 8:20:36pm

I think I’ll just head off to sleep now and forget about the lunatics.

446 Eventual Carrion  Jun 11, 2014 8:21:12pm

re: #384 Bear

Apple 2 was a color machine. TRS-80 B&W only. Then was the portable Kaypro. Needed a 2 ton truck to move it!! O/S was C/PM.

I had a TI 99/4 then a 99/4A. Data held on cassette player. First recorder I had didn’t have a counter for the tape, so finding the programs was a pain until I went and bought one with a counter to position the tape close to where the data started. Hooked to a B&W TV.

447 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 11, 2014 8:23:31pm

re: #391 Skip Intro

Before the Kaypro there was the Osborne 1. Probably 1000 times heavier than a cell phone with .0001% of the power.

Good times.

I still have my Compaq portable sewing machine.

Used it to log into MCI mail, then got a shell account.

448 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 8:25:49pm

re: #447 BeenHereAwhile

I still have my Compaq portable sewing machine.

Used it to log into MCI mail, then got a shell account.

sounds fishy to me!

449 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 11, 2014 8:37:11pm

re: #448 sattv4u2

sounds fishy to me!

Ever hear of Netcom?


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