Overnight Beauty and Wonder: Koh Yao Noi

A little haven of real Thailand
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FULL BLOG POST with everything you need to know here!! wp.me

All shots around the local children at the pier were filmed with my second Phantom fitted with prop guards for extra caution.

This was shot on my holiday (yes my passion is also my job!) alongside some stuff for my GH4 review. Koh Yao Noi is one of the least developed islands in Thailand despite being right in the middle of the most touristic bay there. It’s a little haven of real Thailand with just 18km of roads.

Please read the in depth blog post linked at the top if you are interested in knowing more about what it’s like to fly the Phantom 2 or any part of this film. Here is a little bit of tech info anyway!

All shot with the GoPro Hero 3+ in 2.7K mode in either wide or medium (mostly wide) in Protune flat 25p

Phantom 2 with Zen Muse 2 axis gimbal and FPV. Boscam TX with iOSD with Black Pearl monitor/ receiver

Phantom 2 with Zen Muse 3 axis gimbal and no FPV

Graded with FIlmConvert 10% off with code bloom at gopb.co
and Colorista II 10% off wide code bloom10 at gopb.co

Fish-eye removed with After Effects optics compensation. More info in blog post.

Yes i had a lot of jello issues. First time. More in my blog post! :)

Anyway enjoy this journey to a very different place!

Music courtesy of The Music Bed
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Gatlin Elms “For we never knew your beauty”

Typo in end credits…will fix!

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676 comments
1 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 8:22:21pm

Less than an hour to go

Wish the headache would leave same time I can!!

{sigh}

2 Kid A  Jun 11, 2014 8:27:09pm
3 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 8:33:59pm
4 Targetpractice  Jun 11, 2014 8:34:34pm

re: #2 Kid A

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Wingnuts today are completely at odds with themselves. The Paulians and their fellow isolationists think we were wrong for ever going in the first place, while the warhawks think we were wrong for ever thinking of leaving. But they both agree on one thing: Obama was wrong, no matter what he did.

5 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 8:39:02pm

This Cracked list is making my blood boil.

Wal-mart, a great American company.

6 darthstar  Jun 11, 2014 8:39:11pm

Best soundtrack for a mouse…ever.

Youtube Video

7 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 11, 2014 8:46:59pm
8 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 8:48:56pm

Oh, we got ourselves a smartass.

9 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 8:54:41pm

re: #8 teleskiguy

This guy has proven to be a tool, so hopefully some snark will back him off.

10 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 8:56:09pm
11 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 8:59:24pm

re: #10 Gus

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why is the one on the right giving you the middle finger?

((wait ,,,, prolly the same reason I do ,, nevahmind!!))

12 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 9:01:21pm

re: #11 sattv4u2

why is the one on the right giving you the middle finger?

((wait ,,,, prolly the same reason I do ,, nevahmind!!))

Noticed that.

13 Lidane  Jun 11, 2014 9:01:33pm

re: #10 Gus

Otherwise known as LGF when we’re invaded by a troll. One lizard is waving bye while the other is flipping you off. Haha.

14 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 11, 2014 9:01:43pm
15 sattv4u2  Jun 11, 2014 9:02:21pm

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

(after one more brief World cup conference call)

16 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 9:04:46pm

HURR HURR TEH NFL CHEERLEEDRS $75 PER GAME IS FAIR THEY GET XTRA FOR CALENDERZ

Damn it Alouette, you’re getting me to do the Hurr Hurr thing!

17 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 11, 2014 9:07:41pm
18 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 9:08:16pm

Ugh, my Notifications on Twitter…some real pieces of work coming out. Apparently a lot of men out there think women shouldn’t be paid a fair wage or equally to men.

Sigh.

19 Killgore Trout  Jun 11, 2014 9:17:42pm

re: #14 NJDhockeyfan

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lol. Interesting times. Now the awkward moment when we have to decide on giving them air support.

20 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 11, 2014 9:24:07pm

re: #15 sattv4u2

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

(after one more brief World cup conference call)</

Downstairs, there seemed to be some question about my using dial up to access a shell account from a DOS box.

A former Netcommie, now (but no longer dial up) with Panix.

en.wikipedia.org

21 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 9:26:06pm

Ah, fellow lizards on Twitter!

22 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 9:28:53pm

Now it’s just this one dude who goes by a fucking stupid alias ICDedPeeps, he’s digging his goddamn heels in with the NFL cheerleader thing.

He also a 5 followers on Twitter.

23 Lidane  Jun 11, 2014 9:34:39pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

I finally just muted the guy. I’m not going to take the time and explain to him that there is a serious imbalance in what those girls get paid vs. what they have to pay to get on the cheerleading squads. There’s a reason why two of the teams are currently getting sued over their cheerleading programs.

24 psddluva4evah  Jun 11, 2014 9:40:27pm

What the Game of Thrones Theme Song Would Sound Like If It Were Set in New Orleans | Vanity Fair tinyurl.com

25 Lidane  Jun 11, 2014 9:40:53pm

Also, some teams have very stringent requirements in terms of things you don’t even realize. The Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders have official hairstylists, dentists, tanning salons, and even fitness trainers that the cheerleaders are expected to use. And not all of those expenses are paid by the team.

That guy’s an idiot. Yes, being an NFL cheerleader is a part time gig. A friend of mine on the current DCC squad has a full time job off the field. She also has to spend time staying in top shape, going to rehearsals, traveling for photo shoots, making appearances for the team, etc. She loves it, and loves her squad mates. Making that team was a dream come true for her, But at the end of the day, what she gets financially from the team is barely a blip on the radar. She does it for love rather than for money. But that doesn’t make it fair, either.

26 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 9:45:19pm

re: #25 Lidane

Dude did send me these two tweets. He’s commenting on #YesAllWomen. There is hope.

27 dog philosopher  Jun 11, 2014 9:49:31pm

re: #24 psddluva4evah

What the Game of Thrones Theme Song Would Sound Like If It Were Set in New Orleans | Vanity Fair tinyurl.com

totally made me get out my horn and play along

28 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 9:51:20pm

re: #25 Lidane

But yeah, other than that, dude is a tool bag, dumber than a bag of hammers.

29 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 10:01:20pm

“Ocean Billy” by Umphrey’s McGee, live at Red Rocks 14 September 2012

Youtube Video

30 Lidane  Jun 11, 2014 10:03:54pm

This should be fun:

31 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 10:06:48pm

re: #30 Lidane

This should be fun

Related:

32 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 11, 2014 10:12:30pm

re: #24 psddluva4evah

What the Game of Thrones Theme Song Would Sound Like If It Were Set in New Orleans | Vanity Fair tinyurl.com

Game of Thrones theme: 13 violins

Youtube Video

33 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 10:15:35pm
34 darthstar  Jun 11, 2014 10:15:59pm

re: #32 BeenHereAwhile

Game of Thrones theme: 13 violins

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Video

I gotta admit, I really like that theme song, though I could swear there was some cello in there…the bass notes are too deep for the violin.

35 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 11, 2014 10:18:56pm

re: #34 darthstar

I gotta admit, I really like that theme song, though I could swear there was some cello in there…the bass notes are too deep for the violin.

Fix it in the mix.

36 Dark_Falcon  Jun 11, 2014 10:20:29pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

lol. Interesting times. Now the awkward moment when we have to decide on giving them air support.

If we have to, we will. If its not “boots on the ground” in this case, Obama will do it as providing air support for Iraqi troops is a much easier proposition than ISIS having a sanctuary.

37 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 10:21:05pm
38 Lidane  Jun 11, 2014 10:22:07pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

I think I would burst something laughing if GOHMERT! became Speaker. Then I’d give up on anything getting accomplished for the next several years except more attempts to repeal Obamacare and at least one impeachment.

39 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 11, 2014 10:23:50pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

If we have to, we will. If its not “boots on the ground” in this case, Obama will do it as providing air support for Iraqi troops is a much easier proposition than ISIS having a sanctuary.

The Kurds and Peshmerga will not willingly give up their oil patch.

40 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 10:24:51pm
41 Dark_Falcon  Jun 11, 2014 10:32:02pm

re: #37 Gus

The real reasons Cantor lost? He thought he had the primary won after that McLaughlin poll and went back to talking about an immigration compromise after saying the issue was frozen for the year. Even though immigration clearly needs reform, Cantor’s decision to talk about it so openly after saying he wouldn’t made it clear to his district that he was not being honest with them. And when Cantor realized people were annoyed with him, he launched a crop of very nasty attack ads aimed at David Brat, ads hostile enough to make it look like Cantor was afraid of Brat. This of course made Brat more credible in the eyes of those who wanted Cantor gone.

Arrogance, dishonesty, and then vitriol and panic did in Eric Cantor politically.

Good Night, All.

42 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 10:38:04pm

re: #26 teleskiguy

Ugh. Dude I quoted is a full-on misogynist. He thinks women are a bunch of shrieking harpies that yell “RAPE” every time a man comes up to her to say hello.

Lidane, goddamnfrank, I apologize for getting that fucker into your Twitter timelines.

43 Lidane  Jun 11, 2014 10:46:05pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

Eh. It happens sometimes. He’s muted for me anyway. It’s all good.

44 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2014 10:50:56pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

Wow. Men’s Right’s Advocate.

Figures.

45 sagehen  Jun 11, 2014 10:59:09pm

Game of Thrones/Hatikva mashup

Youtube Video

46 Varek Raith  Jun 11, 2014 11:04:59pm

Driving at night sucks.
Driving in rain sucks.
Driving at night in rain?
BLEH.

47 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 11:12:50pm

What? Iraq? Members of Congress show no interest in country’s burgeoning crisis

WASHINGTON — The government of Iraq, where American soldiers fought and died for the better part of a decade, is in full retreat before an onslaught from a radical Islamist group dedicated to establishing an Islamic state in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. But the magnitude of the crisis has yet to capture the attention of Washington.

As fighters from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria on Wednesday tightened their grip on Iraq’s second largest city, captured the hometown of Saddam Hussein and pushed to less than 100 miles from the Iraqi capital, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee met to question the man President Barack Obama has nominated to be the next ambassador to Iraq. Yet not a single senator asked him directly about the Iraqi government’s apparent loss of control.

They also didn’t ask questions of the man who sat next to him, the current U.S. ambassador to Iraq.

Read more here: mcclatchydc.com

48 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 11:13:14pm

10 dead.

49 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 11:17:52pm
50 Gus  Jun 11, 2014 11:25:34pm

Good night.

51 dog philosopher  Jun 11, 2014 11:51:35pm

‘Tis the day of the chattel,
Web to weave, and corn to grind,
Things are in the saddle,
And ride mankind.

There are two laws discrete
Not reconciled,
Law for man, and law for thing;
The last builds town and fleet,
But it runs wild,
And doth the man unking.

ralph waldo emerson

52 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 11, 2014 11:56:25pm

re: #30 Lidane

I just downloaded it and started reading. His dissertation was for his economics degree at American U. Interestingly enough, Brat in another unpublished document basically says economics is full of shite. So, he studied econ at American only to conclude it was a waste of time. OOOkkay.

The American dissert is divided into three “essays”: the first two are about R&D, its global effects and inequality among nations; the last is about religion and science, specifically Protestantism.

In the intro to that last essay, he states:

The essay finds that while the magnitude of these Protestant effects was not large compared to other factors, the exclusion of this effect from the analysis of scientific advance would be a significant omission in terms of understanding this period of history.

So, we quickly come to the “so what?” part of critiquing an academic paper, and have already passed it. He is saying the influence of Protestantism was minimal, but he’s going to spend more than 90 pages expounding on it anyway.

I’ll chew through the rest and give a report back soon.

53 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2014 1:49:18am

re: #49 Gus

It tells us that we should stick to our strengths: make entertainment, not war.

54 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 12, 2014 1:55:46am

re: #52 wheat-dogghazi

Waded through the rest of it. The essay is essentially a review of existing literature, but Brat’s somewhat original contribution is to compare the role of religion’s influence on scientific progress in England, Germany and France. While he cites several important studies, his main hypothesis is weakly argued and defended, in my opinion as an amateur interested in the history of science.

Some notable weaknesses:
- Brat tends to conflate Puritanism, Calvinism and Protestantism throughout the paper. It’s clear he’s a big, big fan of Calvinism.
- He conflates science and technology, an error that’s fairly common among people outside the physical sciences.
- He admits in several places that, in fact, Protestantism had nothing to do with the fostering of science in Germany after 1840 or so, or in France. His contention that Protestantism fostered scientific progress in England has some merit, but he admits its influence was clearly indirect.
- He offers no specific scientific accomplishments to support his argument.
- I find his argument regarding Germany less compelling than that regarding England.
- Germany in his paper essentially means Prussia, because Germany at the time was half-Catholic.

I didn’t bother reading the first two essays. If I were a prof grading his third essay, I’d give it a B, if I were feeling generous. For a dissertation, it’s rather weak, IMO. It’s nothing revolutionary, just a fairly tame student effort to fulfill one’s graduation requirements.

55 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2014 2:05:13am
La Marque City, Texas -During a city council meeting Connie Trube, two term La Marque City Council Member made racist comments in a private conversation that were recorded. In the recording you can hear Trube say,

“It’s not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that’s why the school system has gone to hell.”

The recordings went public leading to an investigation and public outcry demanding Trube resign. Despite the push for her resignation from the public. The investigation is expected to be over by June 30th, at the time the findings of the investigation will be turned over to the Department of Justice. She has been officially censured from the council. Trube has remained unapologetic throughout the scandal. At a city council meeting she said, “What is on the tape is nothing more than me stating my honest opinion, and I don’t back down from that. I never denied what was on the tape.” She has made no indication that she will resign over the matter.

If the conservatives on the Supreme Court hadn’t said racism was a thing of the past this might be troubling.

56 Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2014 2:13:42am

I just saw this on BBC:

Iraqi Kurdish forces say they have taken full control of the northern oil city of Kirkuk as the army flees before an Islamist offensive nearby.

“The whole of Kirkuk has fallen into the hands of peshmerga,” Kurdish spokesman Jabbar Yawar told Reuters. “No Iraq army remains in Kirkuk now.”

Kurdish fighters are seen as a bulwark against Sunni Muslim insurgents who seized towns in the region this week.

The fall of the city of Mosul sent shock waves across the Middle East.

bbc.com

57 Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2014 2:23:26am

And here’s a pretty good analysis from Mustapha Ajbaili, writing in Al-Arabiya on why Iraq’s army collapsed when confronted by a relatively small force.

english.alarabiya.net

Adnan Hussein Kadhum, a Baghdad-based political analyst, told Al Arabiya News that the military failure was the result of “the lopsided political process since Maliki took office in 2006.”

“The division of power across sectarian lines created a struggle between various sects of society, which led to a failed state, and this reflects on the state of the military,” Kadhum said.

“The military institution is deeply corrupt and is built on sectarian lines.

Military commanders are given their jobs not on the basis of competency or experience but rather on their sectarian affiliation,” he added.

“You cannot expect an institution built this way to be effective,” Kadhum said.

Ahmad al-Abyad, an Iraqi political observer based in Jordan, warned that any further sectarian mobilization could “drown Iraq in a civil war, God forbid, that may not end for years.”

“These areas that are controlled by ISIS may reinforce local forces who won’t allow the central government to re-exert its influence in this region,” he said, arguing that this was in line with U.S. Vice President Joe Biden’s 2007 “soft-partition” plan for Iraq.

The plan was similar to the blueprint splitting Bosnia in 1995 and sought to divide Iraq into three autonomous regions - Kurdish, Sunni and Shiite - held together by a central government in Baghdad.

58 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 12, 2014 2:32:33am

re: #57 Dr Lizardo

It’s a powerful argument why the USA should NOT have a military dominated by one religion, much less a government dominated by one religion. E pluribus unum can be applied in a military context, too.

59 Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2014 2:37:34am

re: #58 wheat-dogghazi

It’s a powerful argument why the USA should NOT have a military dominated by one religion, much less a government dominated by one religion. E pluribus unum can be applied in a military context, too.

Precisely. I’ve always been of the view - and still am - that secularism is the best guarantor of freedom of religion and individual freedom as well.

60 Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2014 2:39:35am

Also on the subject of Iraq, political squabbling isn’t helping matters either.

aawsat.net

In comments to Asharq Al-Awsat a spokesman for the Alliance, Moayad Tayeb, said that “Kurdish MPs will not attend the emergency parliamentary session scheduled for Thursday, but they will vote against Maliki’s call for a state of emergency. We think that the current laws and procedures give sufficient room for the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces to operate.”

“Declaring a state of emergency would, from our point of view, undermine the country’s democratic system,” he added.

The spokesman laid the blame for the current security crisis in Mosul on the “military leaders,” whom he accused of “negligence.” Tayeb called for these military officials to be held to account, maintaining that a state of emergency would not change the situation on the ground.

“Over the last period provided the military leadership with information about ISIS’s plan to occupy Mosul, but the leadership did not respond,” Tayeb claimed.

61 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 2:48:27am

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

Pakistani women who make the #Worldcup ball. It costs $160. They earn $100 a month #FifaGoHome u.afp.com

If we get rid of the minimum wage, Alabamans can compete for that work.

62 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2014 2:49:26am

re: #61 Decatur Deb

If we get rid of the minimum wage, Alabamans can compete for that work.

Just like they would line up for all those agricultural jobs left vacant by deported illegals…

63 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 2:54:44am

Approach -avoidance conflict. Wife has made breakfast munchies, halved home-grown cherry tomatos (yecchh) stuffed with goat cheese (ehh), topped with BACON.

64 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2014 2:58:45am

re: #63 Decatur Deb

Approach -avoidance conflict. Wife has made breakfast munchies, halved home-grown cherry tomatos (yecchh) stuffed with goat cheese (ehh), topped with BACON.

sounds almost British except for the choice of cheese…

65 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 3:04:26am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

sounds almost British except for the choice of cheese…

Had a few, it works. Bacon carries the day, and the tomato means I can call it health food.

66 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 12, 2014 3:07:00am

re: #63 Decatur Deb

Approach -avoidance conflict. Wife has made breakfast munchies, halved home-grown cherry tomatos (yecchh) stuffed with goat cheese (ehh), topped with BACON.

Now I can take the tomatoes and the bacon, while goat cheese is just meh. Still sounds tasty.

67 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 3:13:47am

Dislike 2/3 of the things I’m growing in the garden, but the neighbors would rather I raised squash than BACON.

68 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2014 3:22:02am

we had an old farmhouse with its own smoking oven, complete with hooks for hanging up the hams by their tendons.

69 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 3:26:05am

re: #68 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

we had an old farmhouse with its own smoking oven, complete with hooks for hanging up the hams by their tendons.

They smell better in the smoker than in the backyard. During the pot-bellied pig fad, a neighbor was stuck with his daughter’s animal. It got out and wandered over here, and I held it for him. It was just the right size for the BBQ.

“Pig? What pig?”

70 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 12, 2014 4:20:11am

re: #69 Decatur Deb

They smell better in the smoker than in the backyard. During the pot-bellied pig fad, a neighbor was stuck with his daughter’s animal. It got out and wandered over here, and I held it for him. It was just the right size for the BBQ.

“Pig? What pig?”

“Hey, by the way, we’re having pork chops for dinner. Want to come over and join us?”

71 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 4:24:25am

re: #5 teleskiguy

This Cracked list is making my blood boil.

Wal-mart, a great American company.

I am so stealing that.

72 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 4:27:34am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

sounds almost British except for the choice of cheese…

Must add beans for it being close enough to British.

73 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 4:36:54am

Traditional, or Full, English Breakfast

Seems like a lot of food that, as in the US, was OK for working in the fields, not so good for today’s sedentary folks.

Trad southern breakfasts are very much the same—except we substitute grits for beans and slice large tomatoes. Not that I ever eat them, of course. : )

74 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2014 4:45:29am

re: #73 Justanotherhuman

The Scottish breakfast would include a black pudding (made of fresh blood), and a white pudding, made of oatmeal, suet and dried fruits.

75 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 4:51:51am

Anti-govt types and “transparency activists” are not going to like this, but neither do I. But it’s Britain, not the US, so shut up, GG.

Fully secret terror trial blocked by Court of Appeal

bbc.com

“An unprecedented attempt to hold the first ever completely secret criminal trial in the UK has been blocked by the Court of Appeal.

“Judges said that the “core” of the terrorism trial could be partly heard in secret but parts must be in public.

“They said media also should be allowed to name the two defendants as Erol Incedal and Mounir Rarmoul-Bouhadjar.

“Prosecutors said their unique application for a secret trial was in the interests of national security.

“They had previously warned that they may have to abandon the prosecution if judges did not ban the press and the public from every part of the proceedings against the two defendants. ” More

To us, this sounds absolutely wrong, but we don’t get to tell Britain how to hold its terrorism trials. I imagine this is not the last we’ve heard about this, though.

“In camera” hearings and discussions in judge’s chambers are actually part of the US justice system, but generally is used to avoid influencing the jury on questions of evidence and points of law, if I understand the process.

76 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 4:52:04am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The Scottish breakfast would include a black pudding (made of fresh blood), and a white pudding, made of oatmeal, suet and dried fruits.

The idea of blood pudding makes me gag.

77 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 4:53:50am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The Scottish breakfast would include a black pudding (made of fresh blood), and a white pudding, made of oatmeal, suet and dried fruits.

And you’d have Wensleydale cheese, not Cheddar, in Yorkshire.

78 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 4:55:06am

re: #76 Pie-onist Overlord

The idea of blood pudding makes me gag.

Blood is what makes gravy. Meat eaters consume the muscle and fat of an animal, so what’s the difference?

79 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2014 4:55:26am

re: #76 Pie-onist Overlord

The idea of blood pudding makes me gag.

I had it once at a small cafe in northern Wales, obviously from a local butcher.

That is the trick. It has to be made when the blood is still warm. If the blood is allowed to cool off, it gets rancid. So it is all but impossible to manufacture in large batches on an industrial scale, although they still do so…and that stuff is really vomit-inducingly bad.

Germans like it with bits of tongue floating around in it…

80 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 4:56:52am

re: #78 Justanotherhuman

Blood is what makes gravy. Meat eaters consume the muscle and fat of an animal, so what’s the difference?

We soak, salt and rinse meat to draw the blood out before cooking.

81 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 5:01:04am

SHOOTING OF THE DAY:

82 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2014 5:02:40am

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

We soak, salt and rinse meat to draw the blood out before cooking.

and it is a waste to just throw it away…

83 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 12, 2014 5:08:50am

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

We soak, salt and rinse meat to draw the blood out before cooking.

An Orthodox Jewish vampire would really be in a fix, wouldn’t it?

84 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 12, 2014 5:10:42am

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Arrogance, dishonesty, and then vitriol and panic did in Eric Cantor politically.

Good Night, All.

No, it was because he showed the slightest smidgen of support for immigration reform that wasn’t just ‘kick them all out’.

Trying to deny this is weird.

86 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 5:16:39am

Iraq’s envoy to France says UN Security Council must give Iraqi government military aid, air and drone support - @Reuters
End of alert

87 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 5:19:08am

re: #83 Feline Fearless Leader

An Orthodox Jewish vampire would really be in a fix, wouldn’t it?

Would just have to eat matzo.
//

88 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 5:20:45am

re: #84 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

No, it was because he showed the slightest smidgen of support for immigration reform that wasn’t just ‘kick them all out’.

Trying to deny this is weird.

And GG actually believes Ron Fournier’s assessment of an impending “populist revolution”. Scary.

89 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 5:22:59am

The irony of GG being a huge defender/apologist for Brat is if Greenwald lived in America, Brat would be wanting to deport GG’s partner. I guess that’s why I don’t think it’s off base at all to call GG a coward for engaging in what he does from Brazil.

90 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 5:24:37am

I’m honestly not sure what worries me more though ideologically- a power hungry guy like Cantor who has no real ideology except power and corporatism or Brat whose ideology is a bizarro marriage between unregulated capitalism and Christianity. Either way, I feel that both corporatism and populism stink in their own ways.

91 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 5:26:04am

re: #89 HappyWarrior

The irony of GG being a huge defender/apologist for Brat is if Greenwald lived in America, Brat would be wanting to deport GG’s partner. I guess that’s why I don’t think it’s off base at all to call GG a coward for engaging in what he does from Brazil.

Greenwald gets his panties in a twist every time someone comments that he never, ever brings up human rights abuse in Brazil. He’s all HURR HURR WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK I CAN ONLY EVER CRITICIZE BRAZIL & NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!!

92 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 12, 2014 5:26:47am

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Chinese like a kind of congealed blood, often duck or pig, but any farm animal would do, I reckon. I’m not sure how it’s prepared, but it has the consistency of tofu, and is often added to soups or hotpots for flavor. Not one of my favorite Chinese foods, but I’ll eat it.

93 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 5:27:27am

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

Greenwald gets his panties in a twist every time someone comments that he never, ever brings up human rights abuse in Brazil. He’s all HURR HURR WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK I CAN ONLY EVER CRITICIZE BRAZIL & NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!!

Frankly, he doesn’t care about human rights. He cares about being a smug asshole more. I never hear GG talk about the solution. To me, that’s the problem with him and the TP/far right.

94 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 5:40:06am

re: #93 HappyWarrior

Frankly, he doesn’t care about human rights. He cares about being a smug asshole more. I never hear GG talk about the solution. To me, that’s the problem with him and the TP/far right.

HURR HURR BOB CESCA IS SAYIN THAT GLENN GREENWALD IS PERSONALLY ASSASSINATING THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT BRAZILIANS!!!!! THAT ITS ALL GLENN’S FAULT!!!!!!

95 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 5:41:06am
96 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 12, 2014 5:46:12am

re: #30 Lidane

This should be fun:

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I’d like to see a debate between David Brat & Jack Trammell.

97 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 5:47:14am

It would be ironic if a tenured professor turned out to be the Kingfish of the 21st century and led the anti-establishment, anti-intellectual Tea Party to some kind of takeover electoral victories in the coming years. After all, those people who wish for a populist “revolution” aren’t going to do it by themselves and the Republican Party is still considered an “establishment” party, even some of its core philosophy has changed over the years.

98 b.d.  Jun 12, 2014 5:50:09am

re: #94 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR BOB CESCA IS SAYIN THAT GLENN GREENWALD IS PERSONALLY ASSASSINATING THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT BRAZILIANS!!!!! THAT ITS ALL GLENN’S FAULT!!!!!!

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That’s a good article by Cesca.

99 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2014 5:54:20am

re: #97 Justanotherhuman

It would be ironic if a tenured professor turned out to be the Kingfish of the 21st century and led the anti-establishment, anti-intellectual Tea Party to some kind of takeover electoral victories in the coming years. After all, those people who wish for a populist “revolution” aren’t going to do it by themselves and the Republican Party is still considered an “establishment” party, even some of its core philosophy has changed over the years.

This pattern will repeat itself in highly GOP districts, but will fail utterly as soon as they try it in a district with a reasonable share of moderate voters who will abandon the GOP.

But the TP will find a way of not seeing that.

100 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 12, 2014 5:57:59am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This pattern will repeat itself in highly GOP districts, but will fail utterly as soon as they try it in a district with a reasonable share of moderate voters who will abandon the GOP.

But the TP will find a way of not seeing that.

The Conspiracy Goggles will ensure that it will be viewed as a fixed vote and skewed polls.

101 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 6:00:22am

Two assholes:

102 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 6:01:51am

So GOP says HURR HURR BOOTSTRAPS!!! GET AN EDUCATION TO BETTER URSELF & LEARN SKILLZ!!!!! then laughs when tuition becomes unaffordable.

Horrible, horrible human beings.

103 darthstar  Jun 12, 2014 6:02:47am

re: #88 Justanotherhuman

And GG actually believes Ron Fournier’s assessment of an impending “populist revolution”. Scary.

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Where does GG stand on shooting cops at pizza joints?

104 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 12, 2014 6:06:50am

re: #103 darthstar

Where does GG stand on shooting cops at pizza joints?

Why does GG think that in a populist revolution his millionaire ass wouldn’t be up against the wall?

105 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 12, 2014 6:09:13am

re: #97 Justanotherhuman

Brat may be a tenured professor, but as with Ivy Leaguer Ted Cruz, his academic credentials don’t translate into clear thinking. I’m still trying to get a handle on his thought patterns, but so far it seems he really believes Calvinism is the root of All That Is Good in Western Civilization. Add a large helping of Ayn Rand’s positivism and libertarianism, and you’ve got all the makings of a dogmatic thinker.

Of course, that’s just what the TP types adore, even if he’s got lots of book l’arnin’, he says what they want to hear. But moderates who pay attention to the details in what he says will not be so impressed.

106 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 6:10:03am

re: #103 darthstar

Where does GG stand on shooting cops at pizza joints?

GG doesn’t do cleanups. He leaves that for the lumpens.

107 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 6:13:48am

re: #104 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Why does GG think that in a populist revolution his millionaire ass wouldn’t be up against the wall?

HURR HURR JOURNALISTS ARE OF TEH PEOPLE!!!!!!!!

108 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 6:14:43am

re: #101 Pie-onist Overlord

Two assholes:

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Two assholes who either personally benefited from student loans or at least are close with someone who did. Typical conservative mentality. Fuck you, I got mine. If college students were a wealthy corporation, assholes like this would be demanding that we help them.

109 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 6:14:58am

re: #104 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Why does GG think that in a populist revolution his millionaire ass wouldn’t be up against the wall?

He thinks he’s special I guess.

110 darthstar  Jun 12, 2014 6:16:00am
111 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 6:17:31am

re: #105 wheat-dogghazi

Brat may be a tenured professor, but as with Ivy Leaguer Ted Cruz, his academic credentials don’t translate into clear thinking. I’m still trying to get a handle on his thought patterns, but so far it seems he really believes Calvinism is the root of All That Is Good in Western Civilization. Add a large helping of Ayn Rand’s positivism and libertarianism, and you’ve got all the makings of a dogmatic thinker.

Of course, that’s just what the TP types adore, even if he’s got lots of book l’arnin’, he says what they want to hear. But moderates who pay attention to the details in what he says will not be so impressed.

Actually we’ve established the Brat is not an Ivy Leaguer. He merely went to a divinity school in Princeton that was called Princeton Divinity School but was per a spokesman unaffiliated with the famous university of the same name.

112 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 6:18:03am

re: #105 wheat-dogghazi

Brat may be a tenured professor, but as with Ivy Leaguer Ted Cruz, his academic credentials don’t translate into clear thinking. I’m still trying to get a handle on his thought patterns, but so far it seems he really believes Calvinism is the root of All That Is Good in Western Civilization. Add a large helping of Ayn Rand’s positivism and libertarianism, and you’ve got all the makings of a dogmatic thinker.

Of course, that’s just what the TP types adore, even if he’s got lots of book l’arnin’, he says what they want to hear. But moderates who pay attention to the details in what he says will not be so impressed.

But even moderates can take the position that we need moar religious “morals” in this country. They’re raised to believe in morals, more so than ethics since the majority of people have some kind of “christian” religious indoctrination. Thus, they can condemn things like heinous criminals receiving legal representation, abortion, divorce, etc while excusing their own failings in their personal lives.

113 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 6:19:31am

Brat sounds like an odd cat. Keep on reading about how he’s a Catholic yet he’s got this obsession with Calvinism. But then again, he’s also convinced that Ayn Rand’s teachings match Calvin’s which frankly is more convoluted then the attempts to link Christ’s teachings with Marxism’s Libertation Theology since at least Christ was actually preaching helping the less well off.

114 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2014 6:20:28am

This video is from last year.

Youtube Video

115 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 6:21:23am

re: #113 HappyWarrior

Brat sounds like an odd cat. Keep on reading about how he’s a Catholic yet he’s got this obsession with Calvinism. But then again, he’s also convinced that Ayn Rand’s teachings match Calvin’s which frankly is more convoluted then the attempts to link Christ’s teachings with Marxism’s Libertation Theology since at least Christ was actually preaching helping the less well off.

On his CV he lists a bunch of different churches he’s “affiliated” with, including a Catholic church and several Protestant denominations.

116 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 6:21:31am
117 makeitstop  Jun 12, 2014 6:21:44am

re: #112 Justanotherhuman

But even moderates can take the position that we need moar religious “morals” in this country. They’re raised to believe in morals, more so than ethics since the majority of people have some kind of “christian” religious indoctrination. Thus, they can condemn things like heinous criminals receiving legal representation, abortion, divorce, etc while excusing their own failings in their personal lives.

Brat’s whole emphasis on morals is kind of disturbing to me. Sure, he’s just ‘suggesting’ now, but I can see that changing to imposing his morals by force of law should he ever get sufficient power to do so.

I keep going back to that phrase about ‘synthesizing Christianity and Captialism,’ and it bothers the crap outta me.

118 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 6:24:49am

re: #115 Pie-onist Overlord

On his CV he lists a bunch of different churches he’s “affiliated” with, including a Catholic church and several Protestant denominations.

I really don’t think he himself was either raised, or is, a Catholic, unless he’s a recent convert. It’s probably his wife and his kids are being raised Catholic, and he simply attends church with them. Randolph Macon College is also a Methodist school.

119 Romantic Heretic  Jun 12, 2014 6:26:41am

re: #44 teleskiguy

Wow. Men’s Right’s Power Advocate.

Figures.

The correct meaning of the phrase.

I’ve found recently that most people talking about freedom or rights these days are actually talking about power.

120 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 6:27:35am

re: #117 makeitstop

Brat’s whole emphasis on morals is kind of disturbing to me. Sure, he’s just ‘suggesting’ now, but I can see that changing to imposing his morals by force of law should he ever get sufficient power to do so.

I keep going back to that phrase about ‘synthesizing Christianity and Captialism,’ and it bothers the crap outta me.

I could go all Godwin on that one. : )

121 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 6:28:02am

re: #115 Pie-onist Overlord

On his CV he lists a bunch of different churches he’s “affiliated” with, including a Catholic church and several Protestant denominations.

Yeah as I said weird cat.

122 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2014 6:29:08am

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Yeah as I said weird cat.

with the ability to promote himself in whichever light makes him look best.

yes, the TP is going to embrace his a a new charismatic leader with a hint of intellectual cred…

123 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 6:29:13am

re: #118 Justanotherhuman

I really don’t think he himself was either raised, or is, a Catholic, unless he’s a recent convert. It’s probably his wife and his kids are being raised Catholic, and he simply attends church with them. Randolph Macon College is also a Methodist school.

That actually does make sense. Good point.

124 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 6:29:50am

This guy is like the bastard child of Paul Ryan and Ron Paul.

125 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 12, 2014 6:30:40am

re: #124 HappyWarrior

This guy is like the bastard child of Paul Ryan and Ron Paul.

He does sound like he just came out of the Paul-Paul patch.

126 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 6:31:41am

re: #125 Feline Fearless Leader

He does sound like he just came out of the Paul-Paul patch.

Yep. I’m honestly shocked his name isn’t Paul David or David Paul or something heh.

128 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 12, 2014 6:32:42am

re: #111 HappyWarrior

Actually we’ve established the Brat is not an Ivy Leaguer. He merely went to a divinity school in Princeton that was called Princeton Divinity School but was per a spokesman unaffiliated with the famous university of the same name.

I didn’t say Brat was an Ivy Leaguer. I said Cruz was. The divinity school is the Princeton Theological Seminary, founded by Presbyterians way back when. They also founded Princeton University, but as you point out, the two institutions are not affiliated. They just merely adopted the name of the town they both settled in.

Princeton U was founded in 1746 in Elizabeth, NJ, as the College of New Jersey. Its first home was in Newark, but they moved the school to Princeton in 1754 and changed the name. PTS was founded in 1812.

The university never had formal affiliation to the Presbyterian Church. PTS obviously does.

129 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 6:33:06am

re: #123 HappyWarrior

That actually does make sense. Good point.

Well, people make assumptions. Just because someone is seen attending mass, well, that doesn’t make them a Catholic.

I’m waiting for someone to ask him some really hard questions, but we’ve already seen what happened when he was asked about the minimum wage.

“I don’t have a crafted response to any questions.”

130 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 6:34:02am

re: #128 wheat-dogghazi

I didn’t say Brat was an Ivy Leaguer. I said Cruz was. The divinity school is the Princeton Theological Seminary, founded by Presbyterians way back when. They also founded Princeton University, but as you point out, the two institutions are not affiliated. They just merely adopted the name of the town they both settled in.

Princeton U was founded in 1746 in Elizabeth, NJ, as the College of New Jersey. Its first home was in Newark, but they moved the school to Princeton in 1754 and changed the name. PTS was founded in 1812.

The university never had formal affiliation to the Presbyterian Church. PTS obviously does.

Oh sorry. You brought up Cruz who is an Ivy Leaguer so I got confused. No biggie.

131 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 12, 2014 6:34:09am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

with the ability to promote himself in whichever light makes him look best.

yes, the TP is going to embrace his a a new charismatic leader with a hint of intellectual cred…

{TP hearts all a flutter}

It’s the new Newt!

132 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 6:35:10am

re: #129 Justanotherhuman

Well, people make assumptions. Just because someone is seen attending mass, well, that doesn’t make them a Catholic.

I’m waiting for someone to ask him some really hard questions, but we’ve already seen what happened when he was asked about the minimum wage.

“I don’t have a crafted response to any questions.”

What I want to know is why an economist can’t give an answer to the minimum wage. I’d have more respect if Brat gave the same cliche answer we’ve been getting honest. But to claim as he did that he didn’t have a crafted response or that he was too tired. Yeah Dave you’re out of your fucking element as Walter Sobchak would say.

133 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 12, 2014 6:35:56am

re: #130 HappyWarrior

I graduated from PU, so was compelled to clarify.

134 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 6:36:24am

talkingpointsmemo.com
Nice party. Fuck off Rick.

135 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 12, 2014 6:36:28am

re: #127 Killgore Trout

An interesting refresher: 5 predictions revisited: Iraq’s troubles are years in the making, experts say

Why do you think you yourself were so incredibly wrong in your prediction of Iraq’s stability? What led you into a false sense of confidence that the government of Iraq was in no danger of being overthrown? Was it just basic ignorance about the situation, or something else?

136 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 6:36:54am

re: #133 wheat-dogghazi

I graduated from PU, so was compelled to clarify.

Ah thanks and that’s awesome. Great school.

137 b.d.  Jun 12, 2014 6:39:15am

So I imagine that Greenwald will retweet one of John Cole’s tweets today as a treat for fighting Cesca.

Charles blocking Cole was a good idea, the guy really has slipped lately.

138 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 6:39:54am

Twitter CEO tweets exiting COO Rowghani: ‘Thank you for being an incredible executive and partner. Twitter could not have succeeded without you’ - @dickc
see original on twitter.com
Twitter
25m
Twitter COO Ali Rowghani announces resignation from the company: ‘It’s been an amazing ride’ - @ROWGHANI
see original on twitter.com

Translation: Wow, am I glad to get out of this fucked up enterprise. Get some security!

businessinsider.com

I think Twitter may have hit its peak for now.

139 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 12, 2014 6:39:57am

re: #132 HappyWarrior

What I want to know is why an economist can’t give an answer to the minimum wage. I’d have more respect if Brat gave the same cliche answer we’ve been getting honest. But to claim as he did that he didn’t have a crafted response or that he was too tired. Yeah Dave you’re out of your fucking element as Walter Sobchak would say.

Like I already said, I’m trying to get a handle on Brat’s peculiar amalgam of economics, politics and theology, but he seems to be an ivory-tower kind of guy, pretty good in dealing with theoretical concepts, but weak in practical applications.

In some ways, he reminds me of the occasional cranks we find in the physical sciences, who try to unify all of physics but generally make a mess of everything.

140 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 6:40:33am

From the NYT: Economy might never recover fully from recession

It has been five years since the official end of that severe economic downturn. The nation’s total annual output has moved substantially above the prerecession peak, but economic growth has averaged only about 2 percent a year, well below its historical average. Household incomes continue to stagnate, and millions of Americans still can’t find jobs. And a growing number of experts see evidence that the economy will never rebound completely.

(snip)

The most recent recession and the slow recovery have “left lasting scars on the economy,” the Labor Department concluded late last year in a report that declared slower growth “the new normal” for the American economy. The Federal Reserve, persistently optimistic in its previous forecasts, said in March that it no longer expected a full recovery in the foreseeable future.

Oh, well then.

/

nytimes.com

141 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 12, 2014 6:42:22am

Good morning Lizards. Drizzly and misty again today.

How about a nice brunch spread?

We’ll have one of these, one of those, and ONE of those!

142 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 6:42:41am

re: #139 wheat-dogghazi

Like I already said, I’m trying to get a handle on Brat’s peculiar amalgam of economics, politics and theology, but he seems to be an ivory-tower kind of guy, pretty good in dealing with theoretical concepts, but weak in practical applications.

In some ways, he reminds me of the occasional cranks we find in the physical sciences, who try to unify all of physics but generally make a mess of everything.

Sounds like a typical von Mises type then. You know focus on concepts but ignore actual application.

143 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 6:43:29am

re: #141 Feline Fearless Leader

Good morning Lizards. Drizzly and misty again today.

How about a nice brunch spread?

We’ll have one of these, one of those, and ONE of those!

too early for anything but

144 Ian G.  Jun 12, 2014 6:43:37am

re: #88 Justanotherhuman

And GG actually believes Ron Fournier’s assessment of an impending “populist revolution”. Scary.

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A word of advice for Glenn Greenwald: neither Jews nor homosexuals have fared well historically when right-wing populists take over. Maybe you should consider that as you’re cheerleading the Brats of the world.

145 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 6:44:14am

re: #144 Ian G.

A word of advice for Glenn Greenwald: neither Women, Jews nor homosexuals have fared well historically when right-wing populists take over. Maybe you should consider that as you’re cheerleading the Brats of the world.

pleez

146 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 6:45:40am

re:
#55
goddamnedfrank

Trube has remained unapologetic throughout the scandal. At a city council meeting she said, “What is on the tape is nothing more than me stating my honest opinion, and I don’t back down from that. I never denied what was on the tape.”

Ah, the next GOPteabag VP candidate….

147 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 12, 2014 6:46:01am

re: #140 Bulworth

From the NYT: Economy might never recover fully from recession

Oh, well then.

/

nytimes.com

The economy can’t recover while the wealth disparity increases, which it continues to do.

148 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 6:47:32am

The Daily Report from my part of the world.

Station: Chicago Area (Melrose Park), IL
Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Station Head(s): Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Date of Pollen and Mold Count: 06/12/2014

*********************************
Pollen & Mold Summary
*********************************
Trees: Low Concentration
Weeds: Low Concentration
Grass: Moderate Concentration
Mold: Moderate Concentration

Birds are ominously quiet.

you?

149 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 12, 2014 6:48:15am

re: #146 Bulworth

re:
#55
goddamnedfrank

Ah, the next GOPteabag VP candidate….

She is fully allowed to act that way. And also fully allowed to suffer the lawful and/or electoral consequences of acting that way as well.

150 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 6:48:55am

re: #132 HappyWarrior

What I want to know is why an economist can’t give an answer to the minimum wage. I’d have more respect if Brat gave the same cliche answer we’ve been getting honest. But to claim as he did that he didn’t have a crafted response or that he was too tired. Yeah Dave you’re out of your fucking element as Walter Sobchak would say.

Economists work with theory —like Philosophers.

151 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 6:49:55am

re: #140 Bulworth

From the NYT: Economy might never recover fully from recession

Oh, well then.

/

nytimes.com

So the receding tide strands everyone but the CEOs.

152 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 6:50:29am
Capitalism is here to stay, and we need a church model that corresponds to that reality.

He wants to be World Pope.

153 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 12, 2014 6:50:39am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Sounds like a typical von Mises type then. You know focus on concepts but ignore actual application.

Yup. One of those who likes to propose over-arching theories of how A is connected to B without getting down to why any of it really matters. That part of his dissertation I read today failed the “so what?” test before I got to the end of the introduction.

Here’s the short version of his essay on religion and scientific progress:
David Brat on religion and scientific progress

154 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 6:50:57am

re: #150 FemNaziBitch

Economists work with theory —like Philosophers.

True but smart economists realize that theory is just theory. That to me is the big defining difference between how someone like Keynes operated versus Von Mises.

155 darthstar  Jun 12, 2014 6:51:28am
156 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 6:51:55am

re:
#134
HappyWarrior

Is Rick Perry the stupidest person in the whole effin world? Just asking questions..

157 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 6:52:43am

Am I the only one who is beginning to think it’s about time to jump ship?

Canada is looking a might be safer these days.

159 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 6:52:57am

re: #156 Bulworth

re:
#134
HappyWarrior

Is Rick Perry the stupidest person in the whole effin world? Just asking questions..

No, that would be Michelle Bachmann.

160 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 6:54:21am

re: #140 Bulworth

From the NYT: Economy might never recover fully from recession

Oh, well then.

/

nytimes.com

If I believed in hell, I would wish any admin, esp the Reagan and GW Bush WHs, a complicit Congress, and their corporate partners to burn there forever.

We will never recover the living wage mfgring sector in this country. It’s been leaving for years, and neither technology nor any other industry is providing enough replacement jobs that pay decent wages. Replacing living wage jobs with retail and food service just ain’t cutting it.

161 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 12, 2014 6:54:33am

re: #158 Feline Fearless Leader

Updinged for the tigers. I like tigers. I haz petted tigers — carefully.

162 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 6:55:00am

re:
#152
FemNaziBitch

Capitalism Same-sex marriage is here to stay and we need a church model that corresponds to that reality…

oh wait, no I mean, um

163 Ian G.  Jun 12, 2014 6:55:41am

re: #153 wheat-dogghazi

Right. And he desperately needs Calvin’s interpretation of things to square the circle that is worshiping at the altar of wealth when Jesus said on many occasions in the Gospels that the rich would end up in hell.

Really, it’s hard to imagine two thinkers more opposed than Jesus and Ayn Rand. One believed himself to be the son of god and said that the rich were damned. The other was a militant opponent of religion who would make Richard Dawkins blush and said that wealth = morality.

It’s like saying your two favorite thinkers are John Stuart Mill and Lenin.

164 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 6:55:53am
12) Brat headed a controversial, Randian-funded economics program at his college. As Danielle Kurtzleben explains here, this is the BB&T Moral Foundations of Capitalism program, which has been controversial at other universities for including Ayn Rand’s ideas in its curricula. The program’s funder, former BB&T bank CEO John Allison, has been a long-time promoter of Rand’s philosophy.
165 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 12, 2014 6:57:17am

re: #161 wheat-dogghazi

Updinged for the tigers. I like tigers. I haz petted tigers — carefully.

IIRC, those are the Malay Tigers in the Kuala Lumpur Zoo. My niece got some very good photos there compared to most of mine. Nikon 3200 vs Canon Coolpix.

166 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 6:57:27am

re: #124 HappyWarrior

This guy is like the bastard child of Paul Ryan and Ron Paul.

On steroids and crack cocaine,

169 darthstar  Jun 12, 2014 7:01:17am
170 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 12, 2014 7:01:52am

re: #163 Ian G.

Right. And he desperately needs Calvin’s interpretation of things to square the circle that is worshiping at the altar of wealth when Jesus said on many occasions in the Gospels that the rich would end up in hell.

Really, it’s hard to imagine two thinkers more opposed than Jesus and Ayn Rand. One believed himself to be the son of god and said that the rich were damned. The other was a militant opponent of religion who would make Richard Dawkins blush and said that wealth = morality.

It’s like saying your two favorite thinkers are John Stuart Mill and Lenin.

Maybe he wants to be like Thomas Aquinas, who fit the square peg of Aristotelianism into the round hole of Catholic dogma.

171 b.d.  Jun 12, 2014 7:02:10am

Probably a good day to stay off of teh Twitter.

172 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2014 7:03:22am
173 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 7:05:08am

Why Pot Is Illegal Everywhere in the World

Probably nobody cares about this, but there’s a reason marijuana isn’t legal anywhere in the world: the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, an international treaty adopted in 1961. Marijuana is a Schedule I drug under this treaty, which means it’s flatly, totally forbidden. Countries can decriminalize marijuana use, but no signatory to the treaty can legalize either use or cultivation.

So it’s not just a matter of getting either Congress or a state legislature on board for legalization. You’d have to get the United States to withdraw from the 1961 treaty, and that just isn’t in the cards. Decriminalization and wink-wink-nudge-nudge lack of enforcement are about the best we can hope for anytime in the near future.

174 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 7:06:34am

re: #172 wrenchwench

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I feel embarrassed to share a prefered whiskey with them. I kid. To Eric’s tears!

175 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 7:11:03am
176 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 7:15:22am

re: #167 FemNaziBitch

The Most Stressed-Out State in America Is Not the One You Would Expect

Yes, we in NC are “friggin Stressed”.

177 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2014 7:15:52am

re: #172 wrenchwench

Team Cantor Self-Medicates to Tune of $6,500

at least he did not pull a Mitt Romney and cancel all the credit cards as soon as the results came in…

178 Flying Squirrel Girl  Jun 12, 2014 7:21:47am

re: #73 Justanotherhuman

Many moons ago I cleaned rooms at Baden Powell House in London, in exchange for room and board. The cafeteria served baked beans on toast, which initially turned me off but once I tried I ate every day.

Sometimes to this day, I just HAVE to have a piece of white bread, toasted and buttered, with baked beans on top. I’m not proud of this.

179 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 7:21:52am

Iraq crisis: Parliament unable to declare state of emergency after two few MPs turn up to vote

Lawmakers tried to hold a session to vote on declaring a state of emergency on Thursday, following a request by the PM, but too few showed up and they were unable to reach quorum to vote, Reuters has reported.

180 Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2014 7:21:54am

re: #168 FemNaziBitch

NASA Has Designed a Futuristic Warp Drive Ship Right Out of ‘Star Trek’

Interesting. Not so much really a “warp drive” as it is folding space, much as in Dune (and also, Event Horizon).

181 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 7:23:25am

re: #175 NJDhockeyfan

It’s almost as if invading a country under false pretenses has long-term consequences. Who knew?

183 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2014 7:25:17am

re: #180 Dr Lizardo

Interesting. Not so much really a “warp drive” as it is folding space, much as in Dune (and also, Event Horizon).

Also A Wrinkle In Time?

184 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 7:25:38am

re: #178 Flying Squirrel Girl

Many moons ago I cleaned rooms at Baden Powell House in London, in exchange for room and board. The cafeteria served baked beans on toast, which initially turned me off but once I tried I ate every day.

Sometimes to this day, I just HAVE to have a piece of white bread, toasted and buttered, with baked beans on top. I’m not proud of this.

I love baked beans. I fix them with turkey sausage now. : ) Pinto beans, garbanzo beans, kidney beans, any kind of beans, are just all right with me.

186 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 7:28:22am
187 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 7:28:43am

re: #179 Killgore Trout

Iraq crisis: Parliament unable to declare state of emergency after two few MPs turn up to vote

They probably packed their bags and left town.

188 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 7:29:00am

Sad, the people who supported the war in Iraq are the most interested in sharing the shit that’s happening now.

Maybe it’s some sort of RW whack out cleanse?

189 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 7:29:55am

NATO uninterested


In Europe, No Plan to Get Involved in Iraq

Top officials of NATO and Britain say they have no plans to get involved militarily in Iraq after Sunni Muslim militants overran much of the north and were pressing toward Baghdad.

During a visit to Madrid on Thursday, NATO secretary general Anders Fogh Rasmussen said the alliance had neither a mandate nor a request for action, adding: “I don’t see a role for NATO in Iraq.”

British Foreign Secretary William Hague ruled out any military intervention by his country, but said it might provide humanitarian aid. In a BBC interview, he said it was up to Iraq’s leadership to deal with the deteriorating military situation.

190 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 7:30:29am

CNN crew in Sao Paulo, Brazil, reportedly hit by a police projectile while reporter was live on air; producer also hurt, witnesses say - @brianstelter
End of alert

Photo: CNN producer Barbara Arvanitidis after she was reportedly injured by stun grenade at World Cup protest - via @BenTavener
see original on twitter.com

191 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 7:30:59am

Milk Shake has gone viral:
Youtube Video

Rescued from an abusive owner six years ago, the 8-year-old Herford had never been introduced to other bovine. So when she came to live at the rural nonprofit animal shelter, she spent a lot of time with the ranch’s other dogs and adopted some of their canine qualities, from eating out of a bowl to tagging along with Grace Foundation founder Beth DeCaprio.

192 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 7:31:02am

DRONEZ!

193 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 7:31:54am
194 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 7:31:56am

re: #187 NJDhockeyfan

They probably packed their bags and left town.

Or they’re just afraid of having their vote on record in case Baghdad falls. The situation looks really serious, political statements can be taken with a grain of salt but oil prices seem to be reacting. The money don’t lie.

195 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 7:32:09am

re: #180 Dr Lizardo

Interesting. Not so much really a “warp drive” as it is folding space, much as in Dune (and also, Event Horizon).

I understand none of it past a simplistic conceptional level.

196 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 7:32:11am

I didn’t know they have Black Hawks. It doesn’t do much good if they don’t know how to fly them. Still a huge loss.

197 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 12, 2014 7:33:02am

re: #190 Justanotherhuman

CNN crew in Sao Paulo, Brazil, reportedly hit by a police projectile while reporter was live on air; producer also hurt, witnesses say - @brianstelter
End of alert

Photo: CNN producer Barbara Arvanitidis after she was reportedly injured by stun grenade at World Cup protest - via @BenTavener
see original on twitter.com

It’s pretty telling that Greenwald finally acknowledged heavy handed government actions in Brazil only by mocking the concerns.

198 b.d.  Jun 12, 2014 7:33:18am

AMERICA IS A POLICE STATE AND, NO, I WILL NOT BE LOOKING OUT MY WINDOW!!

199 piratedan  Jun 12, 2014 7:33:19am

re: #188 Stanley Sea

it’s as if their shitty plan that didn’t work (we’ll be greeted as liberators and they’ll give us cheap discounted oil!) and we cut our losses after the Iraqi’s politely requested that we leave, that continued religious sectarian violence justifies keeping the perpetual war machine in motion.

whocoulddanode?

200 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2014 7:34:19am

re: #183 wrenchwench

Also A Wrinkle In Time?

OMG, I remember reading that…ant on a string.

201 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 12, 2014 7:35:32am

re: #192 Lidane

DRONEZ!

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Sheesh! Looks like a scene from a dystopian sci-fi movie.

202 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 7:35:33am

How ISIS is exploiting the economics of Syria’s civil war

But the group is not only following a stone-age script. It also rapidly establishes control of local resources and uses them to extend and strengthen its grip.

It has taken over oil fields in eastern Syria, for example, and according to several rebel commanders and aid workers, has resumed pumping. It has also secured revenue by selling electricity to the government from captured power plants. In Iraq on Wednesday, the militants seized control of Baiji, the site of Iraq’s largest oil refinery and power plant.

203 Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2014 7:36:31am

re: #195 FemNaziBitch

I understand none of it past a simplistic conceptional level.

IIRC, Event Horizon explained the basic idea pretty well in more-or-less layman’s terminology.

If I was going to remake a film, it would be Event Horizon, which could have been far better if the screenplay had been tightened up a bit. It had fairly Lovecraftian themes, which I enjoyed, and that’s something that could have been better enunciated in the film.

204 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 7:36:49am
205 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 7:36:53am

ISIS, Cambanis reports, takes a cut of humanitarian and commercial

operations in areas under its control. It confiscates money and property from Christians and from Muslims it doesn’t like.

This money goes a long way: it pays better salaries than moderate Syrian rebels or the Syrian and Iraqi professional militaries, both of which have suffered mass desertions. ISIS also appears to enjoy better internal cohesion than any of its state or non-state enemies, at least for the moment. It rules over an area the size of Belgium.

206 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 12, 2014 7:38:18am

re: #179 Killgore Trout

Iraq crisis: Parliament unable to declare state of emergency after two few MPs turn up to vote

This is the government you recently described as: “stable and not in danger of collapsing or being overthrown.”

How did you get your analysis of Iraq so wrong? Does it have to do with your basic ignorance about the region, or was it because you were just trying to describe Iraq as ‘stable’ as a way to criticize the withdrawal from Afghanistan?

207 b.d.  Jun 12, 2014 7:38:28am

2018 World Cup - Russia
2022 World Cup - Qatar

Domestic security isn’t going to be getting much nicer around the sport but AMERICA IS A POLICE STATE!!

208 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 7:39:12am

Kurdish minister survives blasts in Iraq city Kirkuk

The Kurdish Regional Government’s defense minister survived two bomb blasts in northern Iraqi city Kirkuk on Thursday, a Kurdish security source said.

Two people accompanying Sheikh Jaafar Mustapha were killed in the blast after he had visited Peshmerga forces — who he is responsible for — in Kirkuk, where they had been battling for control of the city with militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, known as ISIL.

209 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 7:39:55am

Really?????

210 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 7:40:32am

Guess who is going skydiving today for their 90th birthday?

211 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 7:41:07am

re: #203 Dr Lizardo

IIRC, Event Horizon explained the basic idea pretty well in more-or-less layman’s terminology.

If I was going to remake a film, it would be Event Horizon, which could have been far better if the screenplay had been tightened up a bit. It had fairly Lovecraftian themes, which I enjoyed, and that’s something that could have been better enunciated in the film.

Ok, I’ll watch it. :)

212 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 7:41:44am

Eric Cantor’s “We’re gonna win by 34 points, boss!” pollster in 2012:

Hahahaha. Awesome.

213 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 7:41:57am

re: #210 NJDhockeyfan

Guess who is going skydiving today for their 90th birthday?

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Right wing extremism!

214 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 7:42:32am
215 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 7:42:48am

Ukraine’s interior minister accuses Russia of allowing 2 tanks and other military vehicles to cross the border into east Ukraine to help pro-Russian separatists - @Reuters
End of alert

216 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 7:42:53am

re: #210 NJDhockeyfan

217 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2014 7:42:57am

re: #213 Killgore Trout

Right wing extremism!

Unless he jumps off the left wing.

218 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 7:43:06am

re: #210 NJDhockeyfan

Guess who is going skydiving today for their 90th birthday?

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Barbara is letting him?

219 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 7:43:45am

re: #213 Killgore Trout

Right wing extremism!

no, it’s right wing eXtremeism. Get it right.

220 sattv4u2  Jun 12, 2014 7:43:48am

re: #210 NJDhockeyfan

re: #213 Killgore Trout

Right wing extremism!

The plane just keeps going in circles if it only has a right (or just a left) wing

221 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 7:44:09am

re: #216 Lidane

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POTUS’s are always so much kewler after they are out of office.

It’s like they are just laughing together and pointing at the current POTUS, “Look at that slob, remember when we were like that?”

222 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 7:44:25am

That’s pretty ballsy though. I’m 63 years younger than the guy and I wouldn’t want to do that now let alone at 90.

223 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 7:44:31am

What a stupid fucking tool. It’s embarrassing that he’s a Juice.

224 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 12, 2014 7:44:36am

George H.W. Bush would be absolutely unacceptable to the modern GOP as a candidate, he’d be far too ‘liberal’.

225 lawhawk  Jun 12, 2014 7:44:48am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. It was a hellacious commute in this morning with a major accident with 2 big-rigs that had a fatality and ongoing investigation at the GWB causing a ripple of delays throughout the region. 2-3 hour backups to get to the GWB, which meant that traffic trying to get to/from other crossings got backed up both in direct traffic and with the overflow from the GWB.

Top that off with problems on NJ Transit and PATH, and you had one hell of a commute all the way around.

On the bright side, this weekend should be nice.

226 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 7:45:02am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

That’s pretty ballsy though. I’m 63 years younger than the guy and I wouldn’t want to do that now let alone at 90.

I would, if I could piggy-back.

227 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 7:45:45am

re: #225 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. It was a hellacious commute in this morning with a major accident with 2 big-rigs that had a fatality and ongoing investigation at the GWB causing a ripple of delays throughout the region. 2-3 hour backups to get to the GWB, which meant that traffic trying to get to/from other crossings got backed up both in direct traffic and with the overflow from the GWB.

Top that off with problems on NJ Transit and PATH, and you had one hell of a commute all the way around.

On the bright side, this weekend should be nice.

Thank you Robert Moses?

228 sattv4u2  Jun 12, 2014 7:46:06am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

That’s pretty ballsy though. I’m 63 years younger than the guy and I wouldn’t want to do that now let alone at 90.

re: #226 FemNaziBitch

I would, if I could piggy-back.

iirc, thats how he’s been jumping the last several times

229 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 7:46:12am

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

What a stupid fucking tool. It’s embarrassing that he’s a Juice.

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Yeah Ben, it was all Obama’s fault not the idiots who went into Iraq totally ignorant of the aftermath. But you go ahead and blame Obama for Bush’s fuck up in the first place if that makes you sleep better at night.

230 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 7:46:38am

Oh well, GOP Rep Jeb Hensarling won’t run for Majority Leader after all.

“…This is not the right office at the right time for me and my family.”

Translation: I can haz no chance to wins.

231 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 7:46:52am

re: #224 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

George H.W. Bush would be absolutely unacceptable to the modern GOP as a candidate, he’d be far too ‘liberal’.

He’d be less successful than Jon Huntsman was I wager.

232 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 7:47:56am

Vice President Joe Biden spoke to Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va., on Wednesday following his surprise loss, White House official confirms - @JTSTheHill
see original on twitter.com

Did someone have a word with Hensarling, too?

Sources: Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, chairman of House Finance Services Committee, will not run for House majority leader - @washingtonpost
Read more on washingtonpost.com

233 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 7:48:46am

re: #226 FemNaziBitch

I would, if I could piggy-back.

I wouldn’t period but I’m afraid of heights too.

234 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 7:49:03am

re: #230 Bulworth

Oh well, GOP Rep Jeb Hensarling won’t run for Majority Leader after all.

“…This is not the right office at the right time for me and my family.”

Translation: I can haz no chance to wins.

OK, so his wife said, “No way.”

235 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 7:49:16am

Go Gohmert!

236 b.d.  Jun 12, 2014 7:49:52am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

Go Gohmert!

GO MERT!

237 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 7:50:16am

re: #236 b.d.

GO MERT!

Louie, Louie, he’s our man, if he can’t do it, no one can!

238 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 7:51:52am

re: #217 wrenchwench

Unless he jumps off the left wing.

lol

239 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 7:51:57am

re:
#223
Pie-onist Overlord

Confirmed FACTs

240 Kid A  Jun 12, 2014 7:52:15am

Laura Ingraham just said that Obama “is our first post-American President.” What in the hell does that even mean? Kragar, would you have some twitter fun with this one, please?

241 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 7:53:11am

Y’all saw this right?

242 piratedan  Jun 12, 2014 7:53:22am

re: #240 Kid A

does that Make Laura one of our first post-reality pundits?

243 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 7:53:23am

re: #240 Kid A

Laura Ingraham just said that Obama “is our first post-American President.” What in the hell does that even mean? Kragar, would you have some twitter fun with this one, please?

My guess is she believes America ended on January 20th 2009 because you know Obama is the worst thing in the history of ever.

244 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 7:53:25am

re: #215 Justanotherhuman

Ukraine’s interior minister accuses Russia of allowing 2 tanks and other military vehicles to cross the border into east Ukraine to help pro-Russian separatists - @Reuters
End of alert

Putin still not honoring hashtag. If he keeps this up he might be in for another snarky tweet from the State Dept.

245 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 7:55:21am

re: #241 FemNaziBitch

Y’all saw this right?

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I did not. Classy.//

246 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 7:55:54am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

My guess is she believes America ended on January 20th 2009 because you know Obama is the worst thing in the history of ever.

Yeah and the majority of voters bid the former America, “don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.”

247 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 7:56:31am

re: #241 FemNaziBitch

Y’all saw this right?

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Those are horrible, horrible people.

That really is libel, isn’t it? I can understand why Wendy doesn’t want to give this even more publicity, but why doesn’t Mattel sue for copyright infringement, at the least?

248 sattv4u2  Jun 12, 2014 7:56:34am

Woman Charged With Prostitution In Tewksbury Library

boston.cbslocal.com

So many quips,,, so little time!!

249 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 7:56:38am

re: #246 FemNaziBitch

Yeah and the majority of voters bid the former America, “don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.”

I was happy to do that twice.

250 piratedan  Jun 12, 2014 7:56:59am

re: #241 FemNaziBitch

you’d almost think that those that her oppose her (Wendy Davis) are shrill and uncivil wouldn’t ya? ////////

251 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 7:57:41am

I’m pretty sure the exact opposite caused it, but what do I know?

252 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 7:58:39am

re: #247 Justanotherhuman

Those are horrible, horrible people.

That really is libel, isn’t it? I can understand why Wendy doesn’t want to give this even more publicity, but why doesn’t Mattel sue for copyright infringement, at the least?

Can you really sue for copyright infringement on an image though? I agree it’s crass but unless they’re trying to profit from the image or create “abortion barbie” dolls then I don’t see how Mattel would have a case. Libel and slander is hard to prove. From what I understand Beck is arguing that his calling that Saudi kid the Boston bomber is because the kid was in his words a public figure.

253 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 7:58:45am
254 sattv4u2  Jun 12, 2014 7:59:06am

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Putin still not honoring hashtag. If he keeps this up he might be in for another snarky tweet from the State Dept.

Up the ante

Make it a Corned Beef Hash tag!!!

With eggs!!

255 sagehen  Jun 12, 2014 7:59:11am

re: #147 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The economy can’t recover while the wealth disparity increases, which it continues to do.

Increasing wealth disparity is the symptom of our economic problems, not the cause.

256 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 7:59:28am
257 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 7:59:31am

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Yeah Ben, it was all Obama’s fault not the idiots who went into Iraq totally ignorant of the aftermath. But you go ahead and blame Obama for Bush’s fuck up in the first place if that makes you sleep better at night.

He’s promoting his book about how Obama can be prosecuted for imaginary crimes.

He wants to be Glenn Greenwald when he grows up.

258 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 12, 2014 7:59:56am

re: #192 Lidane

DRONEZ!

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Looks like they could use a block of instruction on “Dress Right…… DRESS”

RBS

259 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 12, 2014 8:00:23am

re: #255 sagehen

Increasing wealth disparity is the symptom of our economic problems, not the cause.

It’s both. It comes about because of structural problems but, because we’re a capitalist society, then reifies those same problems.

260 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 8:01:33am

Dim Jim drops a Bombshell of Derp:

261 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:01:55am

re: #251 Lidane

I’m pretty sure the exact opposite caused it, but what do I know?

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Yeah, what a fucking whackjob. Anyhow the absurdity of his words aside, is he seriously taking issue with what was written in the Declaration and that later inspired Lincoln to oppose slavery. Fucking GOP just keeps on finding more and more people who are bonafide reactionaries daily.

262 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 8:02:17am

He’s about to jump. Here is a live feed…

263 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 8:02:51am

Emergency! let’s think about doing something next week
Parliamentary emergency meeting on Thursday next

Parliamentary sources reported that the emergency session of the Iraqi parliament shall be held next Thursday to discuss the requests of the Presidency and the Cabinet on declaring the emergency situation in the country.

264 piratedan  Jun 12, 2014 8:02:58am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

the Mars bar people went after a local Colorado group for using the almond joy image/template for the edible marijuana project and I’m pretty sure that Barbie as a brand name is trademarked.

265 lawhawk  Jun 12, 2014 8:03:18am

Obama hasn’t lost Iraq, and the problems with ISIS aren’t his fault either.

The Iraqi government, which refused to grant immunity to US Forces under a SOFA, have shown themselves to be incapable of providing a military that will do anything but duck and cover and run when facing even the slightest threat.

ISIS is that kind of threat. They’re a couple of hundred irregular militiamen that have formed up and the 30,000 troops in that region have disappeared. They don’t want to fight, even though they could take them out.

That has nothing to do with Obama, and everything to do with the failure of the Iraqi military to do anything harder than march in formation.

We gave the Iraqi military all kinds of assistance in training before the handover, and up until the troops left after the SOFA wasn’t signed.

You can bet that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki wants to take another look at a SOFA, but the US isn’t going down that route. Heck, the US isn’t contemplating airstrikes, let alone UAV strikes at this time. If the Iraqi military isn’t going to fight ISIS, the US isn’t going to be doing it for them. That’s a threat and a promise - both to the Iraqi government and the ISIS thugs. If the Iraqis wont do the fighting to preserve their country, then it’s going to fall to 800 thugs.

Think about that.

It’s a government that doesn’t have support of the Iraqi people, so they’re going to watch as extremists take over, as the military watches the country fall into chaos.

ISIS is taking advantage of a failing government in Baghdad, and a military unwilling to fight. It’s a deadly combination.

266 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 8:03:19am

Tea Party nutjobs quoting Chomsky. So when are dogs & cats lining up to get married?

267 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:03:37am

re: #264 piratedan

the Mars bar people went after a local Colorado group for using the almond joy image/template for the edible marijuana project and I’m pretty sure that Barbie as a brand name is trademarked.

Well I stand corrected.

268 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:04:13am

re: #266 Pie-onist Overlord

Tea Party nutjobs quoting Chomsky. So when are dogs & cats lining up to get married?

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There’s been that far left, far right, far libertarian polyamory for some time.

269 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 8:04:25am

re:
#266
Pie-onist Overlord

Chomsky is seeing the FEMA death camp trailer parks?

/

270 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 8:04:42am

re: #264 piratedan

the Mars bar people went after a local Colorado group for using the almond joy image/template for the edible marijuana project and I’m pretty sure that Barbie as a brand name is trademarked.

Yeah but, the logo did not look anything like the “Almond Joy” logo, and I am pretty sure they could not copyright the word “Joy” although they probably tried.

271 sattv4u2  Jun 12, 2014 8:05:05am

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Emergency! let’s think about doing something next week
Parliamentary emergency meeting on Thursday next

You think Baghdad Bob can be just brought up to speed and trotted out there in a day!?!?! These things take time!!

Oh ,, that, and the parliament members need time to pack and get out of Dodge!!!

272 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 8:06:48am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

Can you really sue for copyright infringement on an image though? I agree it’s crass but unless they’re trying to profit from the image or create “abortion barbie” dolls then I don’t see how Mattel would have a case. Libel and slander is hard to prove. From what I understand Beck is arguing that his calling that Saudi kid the Boston bomber is because the kid was in his words a public figure.

Well, to begin with, the law doesn’t allow a fetus to be aborted when it is as large as is depicted in the poster … …

273 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 8:06:52am

re: #265 lawhawk

274 sattv4u2  Jun 12, 2014 8:08:07am

I am NOT looking forward to being at work tomorrow!!

Solar Flares Disrupt Communications on Earth, Could Send Shockwave on Friday the 13th

abcnews.go.com

275 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 8:08:14am

with a black baby in her hand … .

insidious.

276 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:08:36am

re: #272 FemNaziBitch

Well, to begin with, the law doesn’t allow a fetus to be aborted when it is as large as is depicted in the poster … …

I know, I am just saying that I don’t know how Mattel would be able to sue the idiot who created that poster. It’s crass, a distortion of abortion’s reality, but I just don’t see anyway on the surface how Mattel could sue the person who made that for copyright infringement unless the person was using that to profit. I could be mistaken. I’m no lawyer.

277 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 8:08:58am

re: #272 FemNaziBitch

Well, to begin with, the law doesn’t allow a fetus to be aborted when it is as large as is depicted in the poster … …

How many abortions has Wendy Davis had? You might think she would have to have had at least one in order to earn the title of “Abortion Barbie.”

278 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 8:09:28am
279 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 8:09:36am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

I know, I am just saying that I don’t know how Mattel would be able to sue the idiot who created that poster. It’s crass, a distortion of abortion’s reality, but I just don’t see anyway on the surface how Mattel could sue the person who made that for copyright infringement unless the person was using that to profit. I could be mistaken. I’m no lawyer.

“Fair Use” because parody, even if stupid & lame.

280 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 8:09:42am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

I know, I am just saying that I don’t know how Mattel would be able to sue the idiot who created that poster. It’s crass, a distortion of abortion’s reality, but I just don’t see anyway on the surface how Mattel could sue the person who made that for copyright infringement unless the person was using that to profit. I could be mistaken. I’m no lawyer.

I, personally, think it could hurt the brand.

then again, I think Barbie is a sad product to begin with.

Once seen, some things are hard to unsee.

281 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 8:11:04am

re: #277 Pie-onist Overlord

How many abortions has Wendy Davis had? You might think she would have to have had at least one in order to earn the title of “Abortion Barbie.”

I think she did have one, but I can’t remember exactly.

282 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 8:11:11am

The President be flying! Looks awesome.

283 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:11:47am

re: #279 Pie-onist Overlord

“Fair Use” because parody, even if stupid & lame.

Right, that’s my point. Justanotherhuman was wondering if Mattel could sue this person that created it and I don’t think they could. It’s unbelievably stupid and crass, and I’m in strong agreement with that but yeah it could be considered parody via fair use. So it’s clear, I’m not defending at all the poster, just saying I don’t think it’s copyright infringement since we see product spoofs all the time.

284 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 8:12:24am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

Can you really sue for copyright infringement on an image though? I agree it’s crass but unless they’re trying to profit from the image or create “abortion barbie” dolls then I don’t see how Mattel would have a case. Libel and slander is hard to prove. From what I understand Beck is arguing that his calling that Saudi kid the Boston bomber is because the kid was in his words a public figure.

Why wouldn’t it be a trademark violation?

danheller.com

285 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 12, 2014 8:13:01am

re: #188 Stanley Sea

Sad, the people who supported the war in Iraq are the most interested in sharing the shit that’s happening now.

Maybe it’s some sort of RW whack out cleanse?

I suspect it’s more of an “Obama’s Fault” craze.

286 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:13:06am

re: #281 FemNaziBitch

I think she did have one, but I can’t remember exactly.

I think she admitted to having one but all the same. She’s “abortion barbie” because she fought hard against a primitive anti-choice law and that’s how she became nationally prominent. She doesn’t deserve that all and calling her “Abortion barbie” is just a pathetic distraction from the reality of what abortion actually is.

287 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 8:13:07am

re: #283 HappyWarrior

Right, that’s my point. Justanotherhuman was wondering if Mattel could sue this person that created it and I don’t think they could. It’s unbelievably stupid and crass, and I’m in strong agreement with that but yeah it could be considered parody via fair use. So it’s clear, I’m not defending at all the poster, just saying I don’t think it’s copyright infringement since we see product spoofs all the time.

If they were actually creating and selling dolls using this name, Mattel would have a case.

288 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 8:13:21am

re: #281 FemNaziBitch

I think she did have one, but I can’t remember exactly.

Not mentioned in her wiki.

289 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 8:13:35am
290 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 8:13:40am

re:
#277
Pie-onist Overlord

She wants to force all to abort their fullgrown babiez!!1

291 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 8:14:26am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

I think she admitted to having one but all the same. She’s “abortion barbie” because she fought hard against a primitive anti-choice law and that’s how she became nationally prominent. She doesn’t deserve that all and calling her “Abortion barbie” is just a pathetic distraction from the reality of what abortion actually is.

It’s also a an insult to her person. Calling a woman a Barbie is basically saying “you are a dumb blonde”

292 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:14:58am

re: #284 Justanotherhuman

Why wouldn’t it be a trademark violation?

danheller.com

See VB’s 287. If they were actually trying to sell a doll with this name, Mattel would have a case. A spoof poster I think it’s a bit harder to prove copyright infringement.

293 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 8:15:09am

re: #271 sattv4u2

You think Baghdad Bob can be just brought up to speed and trotted out there in a day!?!?! These things take time!!

Oh ,, that, and the parliament members need time to pack and get out of Dodge!!!

I miss him.

294 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 8:15:26am

Barbie is a the ultimate misogynistic objectification of women.

295 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:15:28am

re: #291 FemNaziBitch

It’s also a an insult to her person. Calling a woman a Barbie is basically saying “you are a dumb blonde”

Yep and she’s actually quite an intelligent woman. Much more intelligent than her detractors.

296 Ian G.  Jun 12, 2014 8:15:34am

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

What a stupid fucking tool. It’s embarrassing that he’s a Juice.

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Sigh…,.right, Ben. And Kennedy lost Cuba. And Nixon lost Vietnam. None of it had to do with, you know, the reality on the ground in a foreign country that we really can’t control?

Go back to raging against Sandra Fluke, you pinhead.

297 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 8:16:22am

re: #291 FemNaziBitch

It’s also a an insult to her person. Calling a woman a Barbie is basically saying “you are a dumb blonde”

Mattell has tried to portray Barbie in a variety of careers that require advance education but there is a stereotype of this toy representing a “dumb blonde”

298 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:17:22am

re: #287 Pie-onist Overlord

If they were actually creating and selling dolls using this name, Mattel would have a case.

Right, that’s what I’ve been getting at. Using a company’s image on a poster as a sooof is different from creating and selling dolls ripping off that image. I guess an example would be that it’s legal for me to adapt a persona similar to a famous musician’s trademark if I’m out doing karaoke just for fun but the minute I use that image to try to sell records and use his music myself to create records, I am guilty of infringement.

299 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 12, 2014 8:17:28am

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Yeah Ben, it was all Obama’s fault not the idiots who went into Iraq totally ignorant of the aftermath. But you go ahead and blame Obama for Bush’s fuck up in the first place if that makes you sleep better at night.

And I’m sure if you asked him you’d find out Vietnam was LBJ’s fault (or possibly JFK’s) and Nixon just got handed a mess to deal with.
//

300 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 8:17:58am

re:
#257
Pie-onist Overlord

I think that book about impeaching Obama is by Andrew McCarthy, but then again its hard to keep all the books and the wingnut welfares producing them completely straight.

301 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 8:18:19am

Looks like Chris Hedges got busted for plagiarism
The Troubling Case of Chris Hedges

Pulitzer winner. Lefty hero. Plagiarist.

302 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 8:18:27am

re: #297 Pie-onist Overlord

Mattell has tried to portray Barbie in a variety of careers that require advance education but there is a stereotype of this toy representing a “dumb blonde”

I think it is telling of the people who created the poster.

303 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2014 8:18:47am

re: #251 Lidane

I’m pretty sure the exact opposite caused it, but what do I know?

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It pretty much was the exact opposite. It was the colonizers who made a legal difference between the Hutus and the Tutsis, and enforced a brutal inequality. Perverted the society, then left.

304 sattv4u2  Jun 12, 2014 8:19:12am

re: #293 Killgore Trout

I miss him.

uh oh

nytimes.com
U.S. Said to Rebuff Iraqi Request to Strike Militants

305 sagehen  Jun 12, 2014 8:19:15am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

Can you really sue for copyright infringement on an image though? I agree it’s crass but unless they’re trying to profit from the image or create “abortion barbie” dolls then I don’t see how Mattel would have a case. Libel and slander is hard to prove. From what I understand Beck is arguing that his calling that Saudi kid the Boston bomber is because the kid was in his words a public figure.

Trademark infringement.

306 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 8:19:25am

*sigh*

307 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:19:49am

re: #306 Lidane

*sigh*

[Embedded content]

Rebranding.

308 Ian G.  Jun 12, 2014 8:19:53am

re: #251 Lidane

I’m pretty sure the exact opposite caused it, but what do I know?

[Embedded content]

What a maroon. First of all, he got the Hutu/Tutsi dynamic exactly backwards. It was the Tutsi that tried to get an equal share of power in the Hutu-dominated government. And the Hutu extremists were against giving any power to the “cockroaches”. Pretty simple.

Also, this genius seems to think that the problem was a colonial power leaving the indigenous people to self-determination. I guess that means that the American Revolution was a mistake too?

Please tell me this is the same imbecile who wants to stone gays. Knowing Oklahoma, though, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re different people.

309 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:20:21am

re: #305 sagehen

Trademark infringement.

Well I stand corrected. I just think it would be hard to prove and I don’t know if Mattel wants that effort.

310 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 8:20:54am

re: #306 Lidane

*sigh*

[Embedded content]

Staying ignorant in the Man Box, I see.

311 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:20:55am

re: #308 Ian G.

What a maroon. First of all, he got the Hutu/Tutsi dynamic exactly backwards. It was the Tutsi that tried to get an equal share of power in the Hutu-dominated government. And the Hutu extremists were against giving any power to the “cockroaches”. Pretty simple.

Also, this genius seems to think that the problem was a colonial power leaving the indigenous people to self-determination. I guess that means that the American Revolution was a mistake too?

Please tell me this is the same imbecile who wants to stone gays. Knowing Oklahoma, though, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re different people.

Different people. I checked because I thought it may be the same guy.

312 sattv4u2  Jun 12, 2014 8:21:42am

re: #301 Killgore Trout

Looks like Chris Hedges got busted for plagiarism
The Troubling Case of Chris Hedges

Joe Biden was quoted as saying
“Nothing to see here. Move along!”

313 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 8:21:48am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Right, that’s what I’ve been getting at. Using a company’s image on a poster as a sooof is different from creating and selling dolls ripping off that image. I guess an example would be that it’s legal for me to adapt a persona similar to a famous musician’s trademark if I’m out doing karaoke just for fun but the minute I use that image to try to sell records and use his music myself to create records, I am guilty of infringement.

Well, if the organization that produced that poster can be found to be raising money on the image to promote its activities, wouldn’t that qualify as infringement?

It’s not as though their intent is to “spoof” Barbie, but to demonize Wendy Davis for being pro-choice.

314 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 8:22:16am

re: #306 Lidane

*sigh*

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So weak.

One man considers sex a vice, therefore gay sex is a vice.

Telling of the man, me thinks.

315 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 8:22:23am

re: #300 Bulworth

re:
#257
Pie-onist Overlord

I think that book about impeaching Obama is by Andrew McCarthy, but then again its hard to keep all the books and the wingnut welfares producing them completely straight.

Ben wrote one too.

316 lawhawk  Jun 12, 2014 8:22:47am

re: #306 Lidane

*sigh*

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So, Perry’s gay? Because he sure sounds like he’s drunk all the time /no I didn’t…

317 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:22:57am

re: #303 wrenchwench

It pretty much was the exact opposite. It was the colonizers who made a legal difference between the Hutus and the Tutsis, and enforced a brutal inequality. Perverted the society, then left.

That’s right. So if anything, he basically disproved his own theory by getting the history wrong. Really though, it’s surprising to me to see a Republican openly arguing against theoretical equality because even the more nutty ones at least try to pretend that they believe in that.

318 Ian G.  Jun 12, 2014 8:23:24am

re: #304 sattv4u2

uh oh

nytimes.com
U.S. Said to Rebuff Iraqi Request to Strike Militants

Maybe Maliki can ask Iran for the airstrikes. Not really joking here. Of course, IRIAF flights over Iraq will likely make the right go absolutely insane and demand that Obama send F/A-18s to shoot them down because, well, just because.

319 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 8:23:39am

re: #304 sattv4u2

uh oh

nytimes.com
U.S. Said to Rebuff Iraqi Request to Strike Militants

That article might be out of date. There were hints later last night that Obama might be leaning towards some drone strikes. Haven’t seen any updates this morning but 11th dimensional chess is complicated, it takes time.

320 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:23:52am

re: #313 Justanotherhuman

Well, if the organization that produced that poster can be found to be raising money on the image to promote its activities, wouldn’t that qualify as infringement?

It’s not as though their intent is to “spoof” Barbie, but to demonize Wendy Davis for being pro-choice.

I don’t disagree with you but if it’s just an individual with an anti Wendy Davis sign using Barbie then that becomes harder to prove. I’m not totally sure. Perhaps some of our lawyers can help us out here.

321 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 8:24:13am

HURR HURR WHO NEEDS DIABETES TREATMENT I CAN HAZ MAH GUNZ!!!!!!

322 sattv4u2  Jun 12, 2014 8:24:28am

re: #319 Killgore Trout

That article might be out of date. There were hints later last night that Obama might be leaning towards some drone strikes. Haven’t seen any updates this morning but 11th dimensional chess is complicated, it takes time.

JThe article ,,,,JUNE 11, 2014

323 FemNaziBitch  Jun 12, 2014 8:24:56am

bbl

324 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 8:25:10am

Oh, Glenn, oh, Glenn…you live in a vacuum?

325 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 8:25:36am

re:
#315
Pie-onist Overlord

Hurr hurr if were allz righting these books we must be Right!1

326 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 8:26:01am

re: #321 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR WHO NEEDS DIABETES TREATMENT I CAN HAZ MAH GUNZ!!!!!!

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Well hey, why would you need to worry about treating your diabetes when you’ll instead be too worried that the government is coming for your guns? Which is a better investment: medication to keep your blood sugar levels in check or a new and tricked out AR-15 for that day when the revolution begins?

327 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 8:26:29am

re: #324 Justanotherhuman

Oh, Glenn, oh, Glenn…you live in a vacuum?

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HURR HURR!!!! STOP BLAMING GLENN FOR THE BRAZIL POLICE!!!!! UR ALL BLAMING GLENN IT NOT HIS FAULT!!!!!! U R POOPYHEADS.

328 sattv4u2  Jun 12, 2014 8:27:12am

re: #319 Killgore Trout

re: #322 sattv4u2

JThe article ,,,,JUNE 11, 2014

But yeah. Things can change on a dime!! As you stated, 11th dimensional chess is complicated

329 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 8:27:16am

Wow, McCain has totally lost it.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., calls on President Obama to fire national security team, Joint Chiefs chairman and bring back David Petraeus and Ryan Crocker to save Iraq - @mitchellreports
see original on twitter.com

330 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:27:42am

re: #326 Targetpractice

Well hey, why would you need to worry about treating your diabetes when you’ll instead be too worried that the government is coming for your guns? Which is a better investment: medication to keep your blood sugar levels in check or a new and tricked out AR-15 for that day when the revolution begins?

That sign is exactly why I blame the gun companies and stores for fostering an environment of paranoia. You don’t need affordable health insurance for you and your family! But you do need to gun hoard!

331 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:28:11am

re: #329 Justanotherhuman

Wow, McCain has totally lost it.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., calls on President Obama to fire national security team, Joint Chiefs chairman and bring back David Petraeus and Ryan Crocker to save Iraq - @mitchellreports
see original on twitter.com

He needs to retire. Should have done so after Obama handed his ass to him in 2008.

332 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 8:29:11am

David Petraeus and Ryan Crocker are going to save Iraq?

Will they need an army?

/

333 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 8:29:40am

re: #318 Ian G.

Maybe Maliki can ask Iran for the airstrikes. Not really joking here. Of course, IRIAF flights over Iraq will likely make the right go absolutely insane and demand that Obama send F/A-18s to shoot them down because, well, just because.

Last week I would have dismissed that possibility, I was thinking Iran may help but only from the Syrian side of the border. But things have changed. If Iraq is looking for a reliable ally Iran isn’t that bad of a choice. US may or may not help this week but that may change next week but Iran has an interest in crushing ISIS and helping solidify Assad’s position. Although power is shifting in the region Iran and Assad (with a little help from Putin) would be very interested in positioning themselves as a stabilizing force in the region. Cooperation between Iran and Iraq would be good for everybody involved except possibly us.

334 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 12, 2014 8:31:33am

re: #332 Bulworth

David Petraeus and Ryan Crocker are going to save Iraq?

Will they need an army?

/

And we can expect Congress to openly delegate funds for that army without strings attached.
(guffaw)

335 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 8:31:46am

re:
#315

But do we know who wrote Ben’s book?

//

336 lawhawk  Jun 12, 2014 8:32:09am

re: #332 Bulworth

David Petraeus and Ryan Crocker are going to save Iraq?

Will they need an army?

/

They’ll split atoms with their mind, and their very presence will calm frayed nerves.

Of course, neither man can do anything without a surge force of tens of thousands, and those gains will be reversed within hours if the Iraqi military wont take action themselves.

That’s why they’re in this mess in the first place; the Iraqi military ceased being a cohesive force to fight ISIS and a couple hundred thugs sent 30,000 troops into the hills.

337 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 12, 2014 8:34:07am

re: #306 Lidane

*sigh*

Rick Perry: Being gay is like being an alcoholic slnm.us

Since the Perry-site, fundamentalist graft-regime in Texas is infested with drunken hypocrites, it is natural that this would be his point of reference. (As a Texan, you know that this is true).

338 b.d.  Jun 12, 2014 8:34:08am

re: #301 Killgore Trout

LEAVE CHRIS HEDGES ALONE!!!

339 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:34:10am

re: #335 Bulworth

re:
#315

But do we know who wrote Ben’s book?

//

Bill Ayers?

340 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 12, 2014 8:34:54am

re: #336 lawhawk

They’ll split atoms with their mind, and their very presence will calm frayed nerves.

Of course, neither man can do anything without a surge force of tens of thousands, and those gains will be reversed within hours if the Iraqi military wont take action themselves.

That’s why they’re in this mess in the first place; the Iraqi military ceased being a cohesive force to fight ISIS and a couple hundred thugs sent 30,000 troops into the hills.

Further evidence that there is more to fielding an effective army than issuing a rifle and a uniform.

341 b.d.  Jun 12, 2014 8:36:21am

re: #312 sattv4u2

Joe Biden was quoted as saying
“Nothing to see here. Move along!”

The fact-checker told me, “Not only was the plagiarism more egregious than I had seen before, but it was shocking how unapologetic Hedges was when it was put in his face. He got very heavy-handed about it.

THAT DOESN’T SOUND LIKE ANY DUDEBRO I KNOW!!

342 lawhawk  Jun 12, 2014 8:36:30am

re: #340 Feline Fearless Leader

Or marching in formation. The Iraqis were good at that - both while Saddam was in power, and currently. All for show, but little will to fight for the government now.

343 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 12, 2014 8:37:07am

Another factor: the success of the Sunni ISIS insurgency will invite intervention from Shiite Iran.

344 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 8:38:44am

You wanna see Congress turn and run? Have the White House come out tomorrow in favor of returning a full US military presence to Iraq and keeping them there indefinitely. You’d have Republicans fighting with each other to be the first to call for his impeachment.

345 Flying Squirrel Girl  Jun 12, 2014 8:41:52am

re: #321 Pie-onist Overlord

And it’s my fucking area code on the sign. Of course it is.

346 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 8:42:24am

ISIS: Please report to the nearest “Repentance Facility” to receive forgiveness

‘Repent or die’: Isis extremists lay down the law in Mosul

A document issued by the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (Isis), sets out their hardline rules for the residents of Nineveh - the ancient name for the city of Mosul, which the group seized earlier this week.

Former members of the security services and Iraqi army are assured that if they repent, they will be accepted and says special places for repentance have already been established. However, it warns that those who do not repent will die.

Promising Muslims they will be treated well unless they are spies for the enemy or criminals, the document requires citizens to pray five times a day. It also outlaws drugs, alcohol and cigarettes, and warns that gatherings, flags and bearing arms is now forbidden.

Women are told they must dress in an Islamic way: modestly and fully covered. They must also remain at home except in emergencies.

347 sattv4u2  Jun 12, 2014 8:43:44am

re: #346 Killgore Trout

ISIS: Please report to the nearest “Repentance Facility” to receive forgiveness

‘Repent or die’: Isis extremists lay down the law in Mosul

Well, at least they are offering options!

348 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 8:44:22am

re: #334 Feline Fearless Leader

And we can expect Congress to openly delegate funds for that army without strings attached.
(guffaw)

Yep. Congress will totally allocate the money without demanding another investigation into BENGHAZI! or language repealing Obamacare, or something.

And I have oceanfront land in Nebraska. :p

349 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 8:44:40am

re: #347 sattv4u2

Well, at least they are offering options!

Tardiness is a capital offense.

350 sattv4u2  Jun 12, 2014 8:45:34am

And on that note, the long quiet drive taking care of the Honey Do list beckons

351 sattv4u2  Jun 12, 2014 8:46:00am

re: #349 Killgore Trout

Tardiness is a capital offense.

Yeah. You wouldn’t want to be late for your own beheading!

352 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 8:46:33am

re: #350 sattv4u2

And on that note, the long quiet drive taking care of the Honey Do list beckons

Be sure to stop at the Repentance Center on the way home.

353 sattv4u2  Jun 12, 2014 8:47:06am

re: #352 Killgore Trout

Be sure to stop at the Repentance Center on the way home.

I better hurry.

354 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 8:47:50am

Looks like the warmongers are heating things up with their rhetoric.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-SC, says ‘without some kind of intervention, Baghdad will fall’; advocates for US airstrikes to stop ISIS advance in Iraq - @LeoShane
see original on twitter.com

355 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 8:49:46am

re: #354 Justanotherhuman

Looks like the warmongers are heating things up with their rhetoric.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-SC, says ‘without some kind of intervention, Baghdad will fall’; advocates for US airstrikes to stop ISIS advance in Iraq - @LeoShane
see original on twitter.com

Does Obama become a war monger if he decides on airstrikes? He might do it.

356 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:49:47am

re: #354 Justanotherhuman

Looks like the warmongers are heating things up with their rhetoric.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-SC, says ‘without some kind of intervention, Baghdad will fall’; advocates for US airstrikes to stop ISIS advance in Iraq - @LeoShane
see original on twitter.com

I’m so glad that he won his primary.//

357 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 8:50:21am

[media]Why doesn’t the president lead??!?![/media]

358 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 8:50:29am

re: #354 Justanotherhuman

Looks like the warmongers are heating things up with their rhetoric.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-SC, says ‘without some kind of intervention, Baghdad will fall’; advocates for US airstrikes to stop ISIS advance in Iraq - @LeoShane
see original on twitter.com

What is the point of airstrikes if there’s no army to exploit them? Are we prepared to start bombing Iraqi cities to root out militants within their borders?

359 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 8:52:37am
360 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 8:52:43am

re: #355 Killgore Trout

Does Obama become a war monger if he decides on airstrikes? He might do it.

LOL…that will never happen. If he does strike the left will blame the right.

361 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 8:53:44am

re: #358 Targetpractice

What is the point of airstrikes if there’s no army to exploit them?

BENGHAZI!

362 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 8:54:05am

re: #358 Targetpractice

What is the point of airstrikes if there’s no army to exploit them? Are we prepared to start bombing Iraqi cities to root out militants within their borders?

We’re talking about a very small force, they could easily be weakened with airstikes, especially if we can catch them in the open. Getting them out of the cities is going to be tougher and will require Iraqi ground troops unless we can force them to withdraw. But this is all a temporary fix. The Syrian civil war could continue for a decade or more. ISIS will be back.

363 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:54:59am

re: #360 NJDhockeyfan

LOL…that will never happen. If he does strike the left will blame the right.

You’re being a hack. Many on the left already do call Obama a warmongrel.

364 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:55:26am

re: #359 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Oh, that’s smart.

365 lawhawk  Jun 12, 2014 8:55:55am

re: #346 Killgore Trout

What? No cake or death? Even Darth Vader gave the option of cake or death.

Youtube Video

366 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 8:56:17am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

You’re being a hack. Many on the left already do call Obama a warmongrel.

DRONEZ! WORSE THAN BUSH! ELEVENTY!

It’s been a common refrain on the far left for years now.

367 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:56:33am

You know, maybe we should have thought about these sort of things before we invaded Iraq instead of this fantasy about being greeted as liberators.

368 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:57:00am

re: #366 Lidane

DRONEZ! WORSE THAN BUSH! ELEVENTY!

It’s been a common refrain on the far left for years now.

Seriously. The loopy left loathes Obama and has for some time.

369 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 8:57:44am

re: #362 Killgore Trout

We’re talking about a very small force, they could easily be weakened with airstikes, especially if we can catch them in the open. Getting them out of the cities is going to be tougher and will require Iraqi ground troops unless we can force them to withdraw. But this is all a temporary fix. The Syrian civil war could continue for a decade or more. ISIS will be back.

Who is this “we” you speak of?

370 Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2014 8:58:07am

re: #359 Lidane

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Meanwhile, a lot of veterans of the 101st Airborne are rolling over in their graves.

371 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 8:58:41am

HURR HURR U ONLY EARN MINIMUM WAGE? GET SUM SKILLZ U LUZR!!!!!

HURR HURR CAN’T PAY UR STUDENT LOANS? GET A JRRB & GROW UP U BABY!!!!

372 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 8:58:54am

re: #367 HappyWarrior

You know, maybe we should have thought about these sort of things before we invaded Iraq instead of this fantasy about being greeted as liberators.

Saddam wuz involved in 9/11! Yellow cake! WMD!

373 Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2014 8:59:25am

re: #371 Pie-onist Overlord

…why use “69” as a suffix on a username?

374 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:59:51am

re: #371 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR U ONLY EARN MINIMUM WAGE? GET SUM SKILLZ U LUZR!!!!!
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HURR HURR CAN’T PAY UR STUDENT LOANS? GET A JRRB & GROW UP U BABY!!!!

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Greedy fuckwads.

375 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 9:00:18am

re: #373 Timothy Watson

…why use “69” as a suffix on a username?

Hahaha especially with Mom. But my actual guess. I think she was born in ‘69.

376 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 9:00:18am

Where has Boehner been for the last few years? The Iraqis are running away from the fight already.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, says US should provide equipment and technical support to Iraqis; says he does not have enough details to comment on airstrikes - @WesleyLowery
see original on twitter.com

377 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 9:00:51am

re: #369 Justanotherhuman

Who is this “we” you speak of?

Why, the ground troops and coordinated military operation that we’re going to launch after being in Iraq for over a decade, of course.

You just know that Congress will authorize the money for any strikes, no questions asked.

378 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 9:00:54am

re: #376 Justanotherhuman

Where has Boehner been for the last few years? The Iraqis are running away from the fight already.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, says US should provide equipment and technical support to Iraqis; says he does not have enough details to comment on airstrikes - @WesleyLowery
see original on twitter.com

You know, I hate to sound like an America firster here but here goes. Where the hell is Boehner’s concern for his own people?

379 makeitstop  Jun 12, 2014 9:01:34am

re: #373 Timothy Watson

…why use “69” as a suffix on a username?

Birth year, maybe? Maybe there are 68 other ‘PatriotMoms?’

380 b.d.  Jun 12, 2014 9:01:35am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

You’re being a hack. Many on the left already do call Obama a warmongrel.

re: #363 HappyWarrior

You’re being a hack. Many on the left already do call Obama a warmongrel.

REMEMBER WHAT CHRIS HEDGES SAID, “THERE’S NOT A DIMES WORTH OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO”

//

381 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 9:01:58am

re: #362 Killgore Trout

We’re talking about a very small force, they could easily be weakened with airstikes, especially if we can catch them in the open. Getting them out of the cities is going to be tougher and will require Iraqi ground troops unless we can force them to withdraw. But this is all a temporary fix. The Syrian civil war could continue for a decade or more. ISIS will be back.

Yeah, I gotta join the chorus of asking who this “we” you speak of is. There’s no US military presence in Iraq and the Iraqi Army has already done its rendition of the fall of Saigon. Unless you’re calling for us to force Maliki into accepting our putting boots on the ground so long as ISIS could pose a threat to Iraq’s security, then you’re engaging in a fantasy where our blowing up a few militants will be enough to put this whole matter to rest.

382 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 9:03:12am

re:
#371

Real charmers, these people. Everyone working at min wage has “minimum education” and is “making a minimum contribution to the workforce”? Is this what AFP is paying telling them to say?

383 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 9:04:21am

re: #378 HappyWarrior

You know, I hate to sound like an America firster here but here goes. Where the hell is Boehner’s concern for his own people?

If you’re talking about us ordinaries, “his own people” don’t own defense industries…

384 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 9:04:22am

re: #382 Bulworth

re:
#371

Real charmers, these people. Everyone working at min wage has “minimum education” and is “making a minimum contribution to the workforce”? Is this what AFP is paying telling them to say?

Sounds that way. If PatriotMom and those like her really feel that way, maybe they should make their own burger next time they go to McDs or bag their own groceries or get their own food from the kitchen when they’re at sit down restaurants.

385 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 9:04:32am

re: #381 Targetpractice

Unless you’re calling for us to force Maliki into accepting our putting boots on the ground so long as ISIS could pose a threat to Iraq’s security, then you’re engaging in a fantasy where our blowing up a few militants will be enough to put this whole matter to rest.

Everyone knows that invading Iraq and deposing Saddam immediately stabilized Iraq. Why are you such a pessimist now?

/////

386 A Mom Anon  Jun 12, 2014 9:05:21am

re: #382 Bulworth

Wonder what they think about full time parents? That job doesn’t pay at all. So is it worthless and low skilled and lowlife? Because from where I sit, as a long term full time parent, I haven’t seen one thing from these assholes that would indicate they value anything but piles of cash.

387 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 9:05:34am

re:
#376
Justanotherhuman

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, says US should provide equipment and technical support to Iraqis

Good idea. We haven’t done that before. /

388 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 9:05:44am

re: #386 A Mom Anon

Wonder what they think about full time parents? That job doesn’t pay at all. So is it worthless and low skilled and lowlife? Because from where I sit, as a long term full time parent, I haven’t seen one thing from these assholes that would indicate they value anything but piles of cash.

That’s all they value.

389 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 9:06:21am

re: #376 Justanotherhuman

Where has Boehner been for the last few years? The Iraqis are running away from the fight already.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, says US should provide equipment and technical support to Iraqis; says he does not have enough details to comment on airstrikes - @WesleyLowery
see original on twitter.com

In other words, Boehner sees the opportunity to milk even more money out of the till for his buddies in the defense industry.

390 Ian G.  Jun 12, 2014 9:06:37am

Sullivan is doing that thing where he freaks out about the populist right again (at least he isn’t celebrating it the way Derpwald does):

dish.andrewsullivan.com

Andrew, do you know the percentage of Americans who acually watch FOX News regularly? And do you know how many of them are young enough to start a revolution? Go light up a spliff and have a walk on the beach and calm down, for Pete’s sake.

391 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 12, 2014 9:06:58am

re: #346 Killgore Trout

ISIS: Please report to the nearest “Repentance Facility” to receive forgiveness

‘Repent or die’: Isis extremists lay down the law in Mosul

Tea Party fundies are no doubt studying this with interest.

392 Ian G.  Jun 12, 2014 9:07:25am

re: #389 Targetpractice

In other words, Boehner sees the opportunity to milk even more money out of the till for his buddies in the defense industry.

A lotta defense contractors in metro Cincinnati, and they probably don’t care which durka durka uses their stuff in the end.

393 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 9:08:10am

You really do learn something new every day:

Who knew?

394 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 9:08:11am

re: #386 A Mom Anon

And quite a few women have done both jobs, simultaneously.

But we’re just lazy bums, doncha know. ///

395 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 9:09:20am

re: #394 Justanotherhuman

And quite a few women have done both jobs, simultaneously.

But we’re just lazy bums, doncha know. ///

HURR HURR TEH SLUTZ JUST WANTS TEH FREE BIRTH CONTROLS!!!!!

396 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 12, 2014 9:09:30am

Famous Birthdays today
Jim Nabors
Anne Frank
George HW Bush
Way back when… 1107 - Emperor Gaozong of China (d. 1187)

And yours truly. Interesting start to the day, the subway lost power stranding thousands. Luckily I was able to get my truck and drive in, with a stranded friend that was due in for jury duty. Not even late so not bad.

397 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 9:09:57am

re: #393 Lidane

You really do learn something new every day:

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Who knew?

Such victims they are. These people are sick assholes.

398 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 9:10:04am

In my more Moonbatty days, reading GG, Democracy Now, and the like, I believed the U.S. would stay in Iraq forever. We were said to be building some super huge Embassy there and just assumed we’d have military forces there perpetually. Guess that wasn’t how it worked out.

399 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 9:11:42am

re:
#396
Rightwingconspirator

Hey, happy birthday, and many more!

400 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 9:11:50am

re: #398 Bulworth

In my more Moonbatty days, reading GG, Democracy Now, and the like, I believed the U.S. would stay in Iraq forever. We were said to be building some super huge Embassy there and just assumed we’d have military forces there perpetually. Guess that wasn’t how it worked out.

I had moonbatty days too. Honestly, I am glad to see that there have been some lessons learned from the mistakes made in Iraq.

401 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 9:12:00am

re: #392 Ian G.

A lotta defense contractors in metro Cincinnati, and they probably don’t care which durka durka uses their stuff in the end.

Of course. Congress would get burned in effigy if it restarted the occupation in Iraq. Even air strikes will come with political fallout. But increased “aid” in the form of new weapons and technical knowledge? Shit, that’s a win-win for both sides, as the defense contractors are equal opportunity with campaign dollars.

402 Ian G.  Jun 12, 2014 9:13:29am

re: #393 Lidane

You really do learn something new every day:

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Who knew?

Damn right. Jesus didn’t build no beds for no adulteresses. He…..wait, what’s that? He saved one from stoning by a righteous mob by reminding them that they are all sinners too? Well I’ll be.

403 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 9:13:34am

re: #393 Lidane

You really do learn something new every day:

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Who knew?

I thought that was about building a gallows to hang Hitler and I’m like what’s the problem with that?

404 Ian G.  Jun 12, 2014 9:14:36am

re: #400 HappyWarrior

I had moonbatty days too. Honestly, I am glad to see that there have been some lessons learned from the mistakes made in Iraq.

One side learned a lesson (hint hint, the side with Hillary Clinton). Try peering into Bill Kristol’s cobweb-filled head to see if any lessons about Iraq were retained. Yeah, right.

405 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 9:14:58am

re: #403 Pie-onist Overlord

I thought that was about building a gallows to hang Hitler and I’m like what’s the problem with that?

If gay people become happy from it, it’s just like the Holocaust, remember.//

406 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 9:15:27am

re: #404 Ian G.

One side learned a lesson (hint hint, the side with Hillary Clinton). Try peering into Bill Kristol’s cobweb-filled head to see if any lessons about Iraq were retained. Yeah, right.

I think the only lesson that Kritsol types learned from Iraq is to be even more war hungry in the future.

407 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 9:15:58am

re: #402 Ian G.

Damn right. Jesus didn’t build no beds for no adulteresses. He…..wait, what’s that? He saved one from stoning by a righteous mob by reminding them that they are all sinners too? Well I’ll be.

Move outta way bearded hippy, we’re stoning this whore//

408 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 9:16:48am

re: #398 Bulworth

In my more Moonbatty days, reading GG, Democracy Now, and the like, I believed the U.S. would stay in Iraq forever. We were said to be building some super huge Embassy there and just assumed we’d have military forces there perpetually. Guess that wasn’t how it worked out.

That was a pretty fucking fancy, huge embassy, from what I remember reading about it.

US Embassy Baghdad

409 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 9:17:11am

Really for a bunch of people who claim to be inspired by Jesus. They missed a lot of the Bible where Jesus shows compassion. I’ve never once seen one instance of compassion from the likes of Barber, Fischer, Robertson, and those types. Only hate for those who are different than they are and only hyperbolic nonsense about how treating a gay couple with respect is like the worst aspects of the Holocaust.

410 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 9:19:29am

re: #408 Justanotherhuman

That was a pretty fucking fancy, huge embassy, from what I remember reading about it.

US Embassy Baghdad

104 acres, 27 bldg compound. With every amenity you could want, very self contained. It did seem like we would stay forever.

411 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 9:19:34am
412 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 9:20:29am

re: #411 Gus

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I may go a step further and say 1919.

413 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 9:20:55am

re: #412 HappyWarrior

I may go a step further and say 1919.

Or 1930.

414 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 12, 2014 9:21:33am

re: #410 Justanotherhuman

104 acres, 27 bldg compound. With every amenity you could want, very self contained. It did seem like we would stay forever.

From the Pic I would have guessed supermax Tennessee prison

415 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 12, 2014 9:21:49am

re: #406 HappyWarrior

I think the only lesson that Kritsol types learned from Iraq is to be even more war hungry in the future.

“We should have done it better!”

416 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 12, 2014 9:22:01am

I like to think of Jesus coming back and making his first appearance at one of the big fundy megachurches. They would be delighted with the honor; until he took out a whip and drove the pastors, deacons, and financial managers into the street.

417 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 9:22:03am

re: #413 Gus

Or 1930.

Good point. Anyhow, after having read Margaret McMillan’s excellent book about the end of WWI. I want to read her new one about its origins.

418 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 9:22:19am

re: #415 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

“We should have done it better!”

Yep.

419 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 9:22:22am

re:
#414

Yeah has a very prison-like look.

420 Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2014 9:22:42am

re: #412 HappyWarrior

I may go a step further and say 1919.

Before that even, the British and French were playing political games during World War I about who would control the area and rather if would be a(n) (semi-)independent state or not.

421 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 9:23:05am

re: #398 Bulworth

In my more Moonbatty days, reading GG, Democracy Now, and the like, I believed the U.S. would stay in Iraq forever. We were said to be building some super huge Embassy there and just assumed we’d have military forces there perpetually. Guess that wasn’t how it worked out.

What is up with that embassy?

422 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 9:23:22am

Iraq: 1960

In February 1960, the United States planned a coup against the government of Iraq headed by dictator Abd al-Karim Qasim, who two years earlier had deposed the Western-allied Iraqi monarchy. The US was concerned about the growing influence of Iraqi Communist Party government officials under his administration, as well as his threats to invade Kuwait, which almost caused a war between Iraq and England.

According to the Church Committee, the CIA planned a “special operation” to “incapacitate” an Iraqi Colonel believed to be “promoting Soviet bloc political interests in Iraq.” The aim was to send Qasim a poisoned handkerchief, “which, while not likely to result in total disablement, would be certain to prevent the target from pursuing his usual activities for a minimum of three months.” During the course of the Committee’s investigation, the CIA stated that the handkerchief was “in fact never received (if, indeed, sent).” It added that the colonel: “Suffered a terminal illness before a firing squad in Baghdad (an event we had nothing to do with) after our handkerchief proposal was considered.”

#caring

423 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 9:24:04am

re: #416 Shiplord Kirel

I like to think of Jesus coming back and making his first appearance at one of the big fundy megachurches. They would be delighted with the honor; until he took out a whip and drove the pastors, deacons, and financial managers into the street.

I do think it would be a good bit of dark humor if Christ were to rise and for all the fundies to be thrilled about it only to find they’d be the subject of his anger. The fundy churches have pretty much become a business. The vow of poverty replaced with the vow of I’ll take however the hell much I want. The irony of course is those Fundie Churches were founded by Christians who were tired of greed by Rome and the hiearchy.

424 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 9:24:11am

re: #409 HappyWarrior

Really for a bunch of people who claim to be inspired by Jesus. They missed a lot of the Bible where Jesus shows compassion. I’ve never once seen one instance of compassion from the likes of Barber, Fischer, Robertson, and those types. Only hate for those who are different than they are and only hyperbolic nonsense about how treating a gay couple with respect is like the worst aspects of the Holocaust.

STUFF JESUS SAID ABOUT GAYS:

425 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 9:24:54am

re: #420 Timothy Watson

Before that even, the British and French were playing political games during World War I about who would control the area and rather if would be a(n) (semi-)independent state or not.

Great point too. A lot of the problems I think in Asia and Africa can be traced back to colonialism. We talked about Rwanda above. Another prime example.

426 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 9:26:13am

re: #416 Shiplord Kirel

I like to think of Jesus coming back and making his first appearance at one of the big fundy megachurches. They would be delighted with the honor; until he took out a whip and drove the pastors, deacons, and financial managers into the street.

427 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 9:26:23am
428 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 9:27:05am

re: #414 Rightwingconspirator

From the Pic I would have guessed supermax Tennessee prison

There are over 600 apts in the complex, but something like over 5000 people have worked there. I’m assuming a lot of those are Iraqis doing service work, etc.

So what happens when the civilians decide to desert the embassy and get the hell out of Dodge? Even though the embassy is “hardened” it does have entrances and exits.

429 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 9:27:28am
430 darthstar  Jun 12, 2014 9:27:47am
431 sagehen  Jun 12, 2014 9:28:19am

re: #376 Justanotherhuman

Where has Boehner been for the last few years? The Iraqis are running away from the fight already.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, says US should provide equipment and technical support to Iraqis; says he does not have enough details to comment on airstrikes - @WesleyLowery
see original on twitter.com

We did. ISIS now has that equipment.

432 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 12, 2014 9:28:56am

re: #429 Pie-onist Overlord

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Game Of Thrones… Never get attached to any character, they probably won’t be around for long.

RBS

433 blueraven  Jun 12, 2014 9:28:57am

re: #319 Killgore Trout

That article might be out of date. There were hints later last night that Obama might be leaning towards some drone strikes. Haven’t seen any updates this morning but 11th dimensional chess is complicated, it takes time.

Yeah too bad Bush and co. were playing checkers back in 2003. They were overheard yelling Crown Me, Crown Me, dammit!! as they were losing the game.

Al-Maliki and the parliament didn’t want us there. Now their own forces are running away in droves and they are begging us to come back?

How can we bomb them without boots on the ground? Are we to rely on the Iraqis for Intel?

This is not the way it works.

434 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 9:29:04am

This is the pool at the Baghdad embassy.

Baghdad Embassy Pool

435 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 9:30:22am

re: #430 darthstar

Heh. Reminds me of the Italian diving soccer team. Or the Minions:

Youtube Video

436 sagehen  Jun 12, 2014 9:31:03am

re: #391 Shiplord Kirel

Tea Party fundies are no doubt studying this with interest.

“Gatherings, flags and bearing arms is prohibited.”

Somehow, I don’t think the tea party is going to react with enthusiasm to that.

437 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 9:33:08am

Is there going to be a last-second exfilation with the last guy’s legs dangling from the wheel well?

438 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 9:34:48am

re: #411 Gus

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1960? Meh! If the Babylonians had spent more time planing for the future instead of their silly hanging gardens they’d still be around today.

439 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2014 9:35:48am
440 Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2014 9:36:26am

re: #433 blueraven

Yeah too bad Bush and co. were playing checkers back in 2003. They were overheard yelling Crown Me, Crown Me, dammit!! as they were losing the game.

Al-Maliki and the parliament didn’t want us there. Now their own forces are running away in droves and they are begging us to come back?

How can we bomb them without boots on the ground? Are we to rely on the Iraqis for Intel?

This is not the way it works.

Too bad all those old guys who ran the Vietnam war are dead because they could really show us how to fuck things up even more in Iraq.

441 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 9:36:45am

re: #433 blueraven

How can we bomb them without boots on the ground?

I don’t know but I’m guessing it’s not impossible. We’ll have to wait and see what Obama decides.

442 BlueSpotinAL  Jun 12, 2014 9:39:23am

re: #431 sagehen

We did. ISIS now has that equipment.

If we gave them WMD we could justify declaring war on them.

443 blueraven  Jun 12, 2014 9:39:48am

re: #441 Killgore Trout

I don’t know but I’m guessing it’s not impossible. We’ll have to wait and see what Obama decides.

Oh sure. It is possible, and quite probable that we kill many innocents, including children.

That would be a real coup for ISIS.

444 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 9:41:26am

My favorite article of the morning
Obama says he is concerned about what is going on in Iraq

Obama says he is concerned about what is going on in Iraq

445 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 9:41:53am

OK, this is CYA.

President Obama: ‘I don’t rule out anything’ when it comes to helping Iraq deal with insurgents - @Reuters
End of alert

446 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 9:42:31am

re: #443 blueraven

Oh sure. It is possible, and quite probable that we kill many innocents, including children.

That would be a real coup for ISIS.

If Obama decides on airstrikes I’m sure he’ll work to minimize civilian casualties.

447 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 9:42:54am

re: #445 Justanotherhuman

OK, this is CYA.

President Obama: ‘I don’t rule out anything’ when it comes to helping Iraq deal with insurgents - @Reuters
End of alert

Warmonger!

448 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 9:43:03am

So to recap.

449 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2014 9:43:38am

re: #443 blueraven

Oh sure. It is possible, and quite probable that we kill many innocents, including children.

That would be a real coup for ISIS.

It would, no matter how many innocent civilians they have killed.

450 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 9:43:44am

re: #444 Killgore Trout

My favorite article of the morning
Obama says he is concerned about what is going on in Iraq

How about looking at #448 KT.

451 Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2014 9:44:12am

And so end the presidential aspirations of Hillary Clinton.

452 Ian G.  Jun 12, 2014 9:44:45am

re: #434 Justanotherhuman

This is the pool at the Baghdad embassy.

Baghdad Embassy Pool

Good use of our tax dollars.

453 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 9:45:26am

New Pew poll on partisanship
Hard-Core, Hardheaded, Hateful Partisans Are Crowding Out Our Politics
The “growing minority” of strict liberals and conservatives is overwhelming the sensible center.

The sensible majority is shrinking. According to an important new study by the Pew Research Center, a “growing minority” of partisan Americans doesn’t believe in compromise, and suspects the opposing party is a threat to the nation’s well-being.

Hard-core partisans are on the rise. The percentage of Americans who express consistently conservative and consistently liberal opinions has doubled over the past two decades, from 10 percent to 21 percent. Almost four-in-10 politically engaged Democrats are consistent liberals, up from just 8 percent in 1994. A third of Republicans are consistently conservative, up from just 10 percent a decade ago.

They’re also pulling apart. Ideological overlap between the two parties has shrunk. Ninety-two percent of Republicans are to the right of the median Democrat, and 94 percent of Democrats are to the left of the median Republican. Two decades ago, just 64 percent of Republicans were to the right of the median Democrat and only 70 percent of Democrats were to the left of the median Republican.

454 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 9:46:06am

re: #450 Gus

How about looking at #448 KT.

Yup, seen both of those already.

455 gwangung  Jun 12, 2014 9:47:35am

re: #453 Killgore Trout

New Pew poll on partisanship
Hard-Core, Hardheaded, Hateful Partisans Are Crowding Out Our Politics
The “growing minority” of strict liberals and conservatives is overwhelming the sensible center.

MBF again.

Note that this sort of result can come from unilateral action. The implication of “both sides do it” is lazy thinking.

456 blueraven  Jun 12, 2014 9:48:11am

re: #446 Killgore Trout

If Obama decides on airstrikes I’m sure he’ll work to minimize civilian casualties.

Yeah, who cares about killing a few kids? Not us, apparently.

457 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 9:48:21am
These sentiments are not shared by all—or even most—Americans. The majority do not have uniformly conservative or liberal views. Most do not see either party as a threat to the nation. And more believe their representatives in government should meet halfway to resolve contentious disputes rather than hold out for more of what they want.

Yet many of those in the center remain on the edges of the political playing field, relatively distant and disengaged, while the most ideologically oriented and politically rancorous Americans make their voices heard through greater participation in every stage of the political process.

458 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 9:48:57am

re: #452 Ian G.

Good use of our tax dollars.

There’s an indoor pool, also. The reason it’s so big and has so many people working there is that it also houses several other US govt depts, such as Ag, etc which were supposed to be instrumental in providing assistance and material help in rebuilding Iraq.

459 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 9:50:30am

re: #455 gwangung

MBF again.

Note that this sort of result can come from unilateral action. The implication of “both sides do it” is lazy thinking.

Is there some sort of statistical problem with the poll?

460 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 9:51:12am

Define “national security interests”:

On Iraq, President Obama says the US is prepared to take military action when its national security interests are threatened - @Reuters
End of alert

461 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 9:51:36am
Yet many of those in the center remain on the edges of the political playing field, relatively distant and disengaged, while the most ideologically oriented and politically rancorous Americans make their voices heard through greater participation in every stage of the political process.

Gee. It’s almost as if people who care about the issues are engaged and involved in politics, while the middling, weak-minded “BOTH SIDES DO IT!” crowd are ignored because they don’t stand for anything.

What a shocking revelation! Who coulda thunk it?

462 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 9:51:53am

President Obama: There will be short-term immediate actions that need to be done militarily in Iraq; US officials are looking at all options - @Reuters
End of alert

463 Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2014 9:52:10am

re: #452 Ian G.

Good use of our tax dollars.

$750 million and counting.

464 gwangung  Jun 12, 2014 9:53:01am

re: #459 Killgore Trout

Is there some sort of statistical problem with the poll?

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

465 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 9:53:21am

re: #462 Justanotherhuman

President Obama: There will be short-term immediate actions that need to be done militarily in Iraq; US officials are looking at all options - @Reuters
End of alert

Hmm, looks like a hint he’s leaning towards airstrikes.

466 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 9:55:23am

Kurdish independence on the horizon?
Iraq Nears Fracture as Kurd Forces Move Into Oil Town

Unlike the Iraqi national army, the Kurdish forces, known as pesh merga, are disciplined and very loyal to their leaders and their cause: autonomy and eventual independence for a Kurdish state. The Kurds’ allegiance to the Shiite Arab-led Iraqi central government is limited, but neither are they known to be allied with the Sunni Arab militants. Many of the tens of thousands of Mosul residents who fled the militant takeover of the city have sought safety in Kurdish-controlled areas.

With its oil riches, Kirkuk has long been at the center of a political and economic dispute between Kurds and successive Arab governments in Baghdad. The disappearance of the Iraqi army from the city on Thursday appeared to leave Kirkuk’s fate in the Kurds’ hands.

Some Kurdish politicians quickly sought to take advantage, arguing that it was a moment to permanently seize control of Kirkuk and surrounding lands they have long regarded as part of a Kurdish national homeland.

467 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 9:56:57am

I strongly suspect if Obama does go for airstrikes he won’t be going to congress for permission.

468 blueraven  Jun 12, 2014 9:59:18am

re: #467 Killgore Trout

I strongly suspect if Obama does go for airstrikes he won’t be going to congress for permission.

I am so sure they don’t want him to.

469 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 10:01:36am

re: #468 blueraven

I am so sure they don’t want him to.

Obama could use congress if he wants an excuse for inaction; Propose airstrikes to congress and let them stonewall it and create a month of political theater.

470 blueraven  Jun 12, 2014 10:01:48am

re: #468 blueraven

I am so sure they don’t want him to.

Of course many will cry “IMPEACH” while breathing a sigh of relief that they didn’t have to cast a vote.

471 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 12, 2014 10:02:36am

re: #410 Justanotherhuman

104 acres, 27 bldg compound. With every amenity you could want, very self contained. It did seem like we would stay forever.

Just a sign of creeping capitalism.
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472 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 10:04:04am

Woopsie daisy!

House panel finds ‘substantial reason to believe’ that Rep. Steve Stockman, R-Texas, conspired with ex-staffers to violate federal laws and ethics rules - @AP
Read more on sfgate.com

473 CuriousLurker  Jun 12, 2014 10:04:23am

re: #453 Killgore Trout

New Pew poll on partisanship
Hard-Core, Hardheaded, Hateful Partisans Are Crowding Out Our Politics
The “growing minority” of strict liberals and conservatives is overwhelming the sensible center.

LOLOLOL

The actual headline of Pew Report:

Political Polarization in the American Public
How Increasing Ideological Uniformity and Partisan Antipathy Affect Politics, Compromise and Everyday Life

Compare that with the NR headline KT chose:

Hard-Core, Hardheaded, Hateful Partisans Are Crowding Out Our Politics
The “growing minority” of strict liberals and conservatives is overwhelming the sensible center.

One of these things is not like the other. One is conveying information in a serious manner, while the other one is engaging in precisely the kind of hair-on-fire outrage & polarization the report talks about.

Note on the Pages sidebar that Randall posted about the same report almost 5 hours ago, however he linked directly to Pew instead of fishing for an article that has an inflammatory headline and is filled with emotional hyperbole.

474 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 10:05:29am

re: #473 CuriousLurker

LOLOLOL

The actual headline of Pew Report:

Political Polarization in the American Public
How Increasing Ideological Uniformity and Partisan Antipathy Affect Politics, Compromise and Everyday Life

Compare that with the NR headline KT chose:

Hard-Core, Hardheaded, Hateful Partisans Are Crowding Out Our Politics
The “growing minority” of strict liberals and conservatives is overwhelming the sensible center.

One of these things is not like the other. One is conveying information in a serious manner, while the other one is engaging in precisely the kind of hair-on-fire outrage & polarization the report talks about.

Note on the Pages sidebar that Randall posted about the same report almost 5 hours ago, however he linked directly to Pew instead of fishing for an article that has an inflammatory headline and is filled with emotional hyperbole.

It’s a KT feature, not a bug.

475 makeitstop  Jun 12, 2014 10:06:22am

This Iraq situation is another situation where he’s going to get slammed, no matter what he does.

Obama does nothing: Why isn’t he helping??? Inpeach!!

Obama orders airstrikes without going to Congress: Tyrannical tyrant!!! Inpeach!!

Obama seeks Congressional approval: RINOS caved again!!1ty Inpeach!!

476 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 12, 2014 10:06:57am

re: #448 Gus

Wonder how many are in with Al Qaeda…

477 blueraven  Jun 12, 2014 10:07:53am

re: #473 CuriousLurker

LOLOLOL

The actual headline of Pew Report:

Political Polarization in the American Public
How Increasing Ideological Uniformity and Partisan Antipathy Affect Politics, Compromise and Everyday Life

Compare that with the NR headline KT chose:

Hard-Core, Hardheaded, Hateful Partisans Are Crowding Out Our Politics
The “growing minority” of strict liberals and conservatives is overwhelming the sensible center.

One of these things is not like the other. One is conveying information in a serious manner, while the other one is engaging in precisely the kind of hair-on-fire outrage & polarization the report talks about.

Note on the Pages sidebar that Randall posted about the same report almost 5 hours ago, however he linked directly to Pew instead of fishing for an article that has an inflammatory headline and is filled with emotional hyperbole.

Such hypocrisy. Everything through the KT filter.

478 jaunte  Jun 12, 2014 10:09:04am

Assume a “sensible center” between Louie Gohmert and Bernie Sanders.

479 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 12, 2014 10:09:27am

re: #473 CuriousLurker

KT’s search function’s first keyword is “outrage”.
/

480 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 12, 2014 10:09:57am

Well at least when we go after Iraq next time Al Qaeda will actually be there….

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481 CuriousLurker  Jun 12, 2014 10:11:28am

re: #474 Justanotherhuman

It’s a KT feature, not a bug.

It’s just so lame. Totally transparent. If he were more artful it might actually be interesting to watch him weave his tapestries, but sadly he’s just an amateur.

482 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 10:12:11am

re: #478 jaunte

Assume a “sensible center” between Louie Gohmert and Bernie Sanders.

Or between Ted Cruz and reality.

483 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 10:14:39am

Yeah, the House is totally focused on Iraq:

484 CuriousLurker  Jun 12, 2014 10:15:20am

re: #476 Rightwingconspirator

Wonder how many are in with Al Qaeda…

None. AQ broke with them in February—apparently they were too extreme even for them and they were worried it would hurt their “brand”“.

485 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 10:15:50am

re: #473 CuriousLurker

LOLOLOL

The actual headline of Pew Report:

Political Polarization in the American Public
How Increasing Ideological Uniformity and Partisan Antipathy Affect Politics, Compromise and Everyday Life

Compare that with the NR headline KT chose:

Hard-Core, Hardheaded, Hateful Partisans Are Crowding Out Our Politics
The “growing minority” of strict liberals and conservatives is overwhelming the sensible center.

One of these things is not like the other. One is conveying information in a serious manner, while the other one is engaging in precisely the kind of hair-on-fire outrage & polarization the report talks about.

Note on the Pages sidebar that Randall posted about the same report almost 5 hours ago, however he linked directly to Pew instead of fishing for an article that has an inflammatory headline and is filled with emotional hyperbole.

There is no “sensible center,” it does not exist. There’s conservatives who are liberal on some things and liberals who are conservative on others. The “center” exists as an artificial construct in polls, produced by giving people the opportunity to define themselves and not taking into account that most of those taking the poll will want to avoid the negative connotations that have been impressed on “conservative” and “liberal.”

486 freetoken  Jun 12, 2014 10:15:55am

I guess we should be surprised that those who are apathetic don’t really care?

487 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 10:16:19am

BOTH SIDES DO IT! ELEVENTY!

488 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:16:21am

re: #485 Targetpractice

There is no “sensible center,” it does not exist. There’s conservatives who are liberal on some things and liberals who are conservative on others. The “center” exists as an artificial construct in polls, produced by giving people the opportunity to define themselves and not taking into account that most of those taking the poll will want to avoid the negative connotations that have been impressed on “conservative” and “liberal.”

Agreed.

489 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 10:16:26am

re: #483 Lidane

Yeah, the House is totally focused on Iraq:

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Translation: King is wanting something that doesn’t exist.

490 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:16:49am

re: #487 Lidane

BOTH SIDES DO IT! ELEVENTY!

[Embedded content]

Oh this is normal and thoughtful behavior. HEre’s my related story, Tony Perkins has sex with children.//

491 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2014 10:16:50am

[…]

In 1987, President Ronald Reagan dispatched his surgeon general, C. Everett Koop, to issue a report on the health risks to women who had abortions. (The idea came from then-Reagan advisor Dinesh D’Souza.) Rue’s official biography describes him as a “special consultant” to that effort.

Koop was staunchly against abortion, but Rue nonetheless failed to persuade him. In January 1989, Koop outraged his ideological allies when he wrote to Reagan saying there would be no report because “the scientific studies do not provide conclusive data about the health effects of abortion on women.” Koop later clarified in testimony before Congress that he was referring to mental health effects. (The data on abortion’s relative physical safety to the woman is well-documented, Koop noted).

[…]

RTWT.

492 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 10:16:51am

re: #473 CuriousLurker

Outrage!

493 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 12, 2014 10:17:03am

On a lighter more cultural note than all this partisan outrage de jour

Have I mentioned I just love IO9?

10 Real-Life Laws That Regulate The Supernatural World

7. Tibetan Buddhists must apply for a reincarnation license from the Chinese government.

Want to become a tulku, one of the enlightened teachers of Tibetan Buddhism? In China, you’ll need to follow State Religious Affairs Bureau Order No. 5 and fill out a reincarnation application. The application will be submitted to the religious affairs department of the provincial-level government, the provincial-level government, State Administration for Religious Affairs, and the State Council. So what happens if you’re reincarnated as a living Buddha without a permit? Your reincarnation is deemed “illegal or invalid.” Bizarrely, China Daily calls the ban on unlicensed reincarnation ” an important move by the government to safeguard religious freedom of citizens according to law.”

494 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2014 10:17:42am

re: #492 Killgore Trout

Outrage!

Annoyance!

495 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 12, 2014 10:18:03am

re: #484 CuriousLurker

None. AQ broke with them in February—apparently they were too extreme even for them and they were worried it would hurt their “brand”“.

Ahh just like the GOP and the Tea party. ///

Tragicomic.

496 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 10:18:06am

re: #494 wrenchwench

Annoyance!

Madness!

497 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 10:18:20am

re:
#483
Lidane

Steve King is dissatisfied with choices for Majority Leader. Wants more time for “staunch conservative, anti-amnesty candidate” to step up

Translation: King is waiting for the entire GOP caucus to beg him to be their Majority Leader.

498 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 10:19:00am

re: #493 Rightwingconspirator

On a lighter more cultural note than all this partisan outrage de jour

Have I mentioned I just love IO9?

10 Real-Life Laws That Regulate The Supernatural World

Yeah, that #7 is directly so that the Chinese can decide who the next Dalai Lama is, and that person will of course miraculously decide that Tibet is part of China.

499 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 10:19:15am

re: #485 Targetpractice

There is no “sensible center,” it does not exist. There’s conservatives who are liberal on some things and liberals who are conservative on others. The “center” exists as an artificial construct in polls, produced by giving people the opportunity to define themselves and not taking into account that most of those taking the poll will want to avoid the negative connotations that have been impressed on “conservative” and “liberal.”

As a moderate I’ll disagree with your assessment that I don’t exist but I guess it also serves as an example of how centrists are marginalized.

500 jaunte  Jun 12, 2014 10:19:29am

re: #483 Lidane

Steve King is dissatisfied with choices for Majority Leader. Wants more time for “staunch conservative, anti-amnesty candidate” to step up

No one has seriously looked at the costs of ‘sealing the border’ and ‘deporting all the illegals.’ It’s just more wishful thinking a la “self deportation’ and pandering to the poorer conservative voters who feel threatened.

501 CuriousLurker  Jun 12, 2014 10:19:30am

re: #492 Killgore Trout

Outrage!

Try again.

502 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2014 10:19:41am

re: #496 Targetpractice

Madness!

Pique!

503 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2014 10:20:21am

re: #499 Killgore Trout

As a moderate I’ll disagree with your assessment that I don’t exist but I guess it also serves as an example of how centrists are marginalized.

OK, that made me laugh.

504 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 10:20:27am

re: #502 wrenchwench

Pique!

Dudgeon, Low or High as appropriate/

505 jaunte  Jun 12, 2014 10:20:43am

re: #502 wrenchwench

Same Snit, Different Day.

506 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 10:20:55am

Clarification:

Senior administration official on the president’s ‘don’t rule anything out’ comment: ‘No boots on ground. Not being considered’ - @JimAcostaCNN
see original on twitter.com

507 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:21:12am

re: #499 Killgore Trout

As a moderate I’ll disagree with your assessment that I don’t exist but I guess it also serves as an example of how centrists are marginalized.

He’s saying that most self proclaimed moderates are people with liberal positions on some issues and conservative positions on others. That’s absolutely true. And centrists aren’t marginalized in the slightest. They are who the candidates go after in general elections. To go along with that, the whole point is centrist isn’t an actually defined position ala Liberal or Conservative. That is to say what one centrist generally believes is different from what another. It’s different than liberal and conservative in that regard.

508 freetoken  Jun 12, 2014 10:21:33am

re: #502 wrenchwench

Pique!

Have we reached peak pique?

509 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 10:21:39am

re: #484 CuriousLurker

None. AQ broke with them in February—apparently they were too extreme even for them and they were worried it would hurt their “brand”“.

There were some strategic disagreements about how to conduct the conflict but I also think ISIS has grown to the point where they were more powerful and had deeper pockets than AQ. The pupil has surpassed the master.

510 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 12, 2014 10:21:57am

re: #494 wrenchwench

Annoyance!

Tate-rage!

511 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 10:22:11am

re: #508 freetoken

Have we reached peak pique?

Let me take a peek.

512 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:23:07am

Really though the idea that both liberal and conservative partisans are just as bad is silly. Let’s use Cantor’s defeat as an example. Does anyone really think Steny Hoyer(Cantor’s Dem equivalent) has to worry about some guy who believes in a lefty whacked up version of what Dave Brat does. Does Nancy Pelosi have to appease the far left part of her caucus the way Boehner does the far right of his? No, not at all. Really when you look at the leadership of the two parties, you’ll see what I mean. Reid isn’t among the most liberal Democrats in the Senate while McConnell certainly is amog the most conservative.

513 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 10:23:10am

re: #507 HappyWarrior

He’s saying that most self proclaimed moderates are people with liberal positions on some issues and conservative positions on others. That’s absolutely true. And centrists aren’t marginalized in the slightest. They are who the candidates go after in general elections.

Yup, centrists and swing voters decide elections.

514 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 10:23:20am

re: #503 wrenchwench

OK, that made me laugh.

Seriously. POTUS is a centrist and a pragmatist, FFS. Marginalized? As if.

The only reason Obama is painted a flaming librul by the GOP is because they’ve gone off the fucking rails. To the rest of the world Obama is clearly centrist.

515 jaunte  Jun 12, 2014 10:23:22am

re: #510 Feline Fearless Leader

The internet: it’s a series of tubers.

516 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 10:23:24am

re: #510 Feline Fearless Leader

Tate-rage!

lol

517 blueraven  Jun 12, 2014 10:23:50am

Suddenly, Biden’s idea to split Iraq into 3 distinct regions; Kurdish, Shiite and Sunni is looking pretty good.

518 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 12, 2014 10:24:18am

re: #511 Decatur Deb

Let me take a peek.

Have one on me.

519 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 10:24:19am

re: #499 Killgore Trout

As a moderate I’ll disagree with your assessment that I don’t exist but I guess it also serves as an example of how centrists are marginalized.

Killgore, I’m gonna call bullshit on that. You’re not a moderate, you’re a contrarian. Your support or opposition of the issues depends on what the flavor of the day is. If tomorrow the White House became supportive of full military support of Iraq’s government, you’d spend the day posting articles calling the President a warmonger.

520 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 10:24:32am

re: #512 HappyWarrior

Does Nancy Pelosi have to appease the far left part of her caucus the way Boehner does the far right of his? No, not at all.

Nancy Pelosi had the Code Pink yahoos camping out at her house for years.

She’s hardly in a hurry to listen to them.

521 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 10:25:00am

re: #506 Justanotherhuman

Clarification:

Senior administration official on the president’s ‘don’t rule anything out’ comment: ‘No boots on ground. Not being considered’ - @JimAcostaCNN
see original on twitter.com

Yeah, that should go without saying. Obama approving airstrikes is questionable but I couldn’t imagine him approving ground forces.

522 palomino  Jun 12, 2014 10:25:03am

re: #492 Killgore Trout

Outrage!

Potato.

Or some other vegetable. Key thing is vegetative state.

523 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:26:13am

re: #520 Lidane

Nancy Pelosi had the Code Pink yahoos camping out at her house for years.

She’s hardly in a hurry to listen to them.

Meanwhile Boehner is eager to listen to fat guys wearing colonial garp that believe that the President is a Mooslam Anti-Christ Socialist.

524 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 10:26:18am

MMmmm. Baked goods with marginalized centers.

525 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 10:26:53am
526 Kragar  Jun 12, 2014 10:27:07am

My oldest girl has officially graduated elementary school

527 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2014 10:27:27am

re: #524 Decatur Deb

MMmmm. Baked goods with marginalized centers.

As long as they aren’t margarinized.

528 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:28:20am

The success of the Blue Dog caucus when the Dems had the House should be another example. There’s nothing even close to the Blue Dogs in the GOP.

529 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 10:28:27am

re: #527 wrenchwench

As long as they aren’t margarinized.

Eyes are beginning to glaze.

530 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 10:28:32am
….many of those in the center remain on the edges of the political playing field, relatively distant and disengaged, while the most ideologically oriented and politically rancorous Americans make their voices heard through greater participation in every stage of the political process.

Pew!

531 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 10:28:50am

ASSHOLE

532 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2014 10:29:24am

re: #526 Kragar

My oldest girl has officially graduated elementary school

Congrats to her!

Now get ready for the fun of Junior High.

533 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2014 10:29:42am

re: #529 Decatur Deb

Eyes are beginning to glaze.

Back to potatoes?

534 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 10:30:22am

HURR HURR!!!! DON’T EVER BUY A HOUSE OR A NEW CAR UNLESS U CAN PUT DOWN CASH ON THE BARREL HEAD!!!! HURR HURR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY BUILT AMERICA!!!!!!

Meanwhile nobody buys cars or houses so the automotive & construction industries lay off all the workers.

535 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 10:30:25am

This could be interesting:

536 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2014 10:30:37am

re: #530 Killgore Trout

….many of those in the center remain on the edges of the political playing field, relatively distant and disengaged, while the most ideologically oriented and politically rancorous Americans make their voices heard through greater participation in every stage of the political process.

We need some different prepositions or something.

537 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 10:31:51am

re: #536 wrenchwench

We need some different prepositions or something.

Emergency Metaphor Topologists.

538 CuriousLurker  Jun 12, 2014 10:32:15am

This story is a composite, based on several versions I found around the internet years ago, Eshu is a Yoruba trickster spirit/deity.

Eshu’s Hat

There were once two farmers who had adjoining plots of land. All of their lives they had been the best of friends and had made a pact never to argue with each other.

One day Eshu decided to play a trick on them. He put on a tall hat which was black on one side and white on the other, then proceeded to walk down the path that divided the two farms. As he sauntered between the fields he made a point of exchanging pleasantries with each of the men. Later, when it time for Eshu to walk back down the path in the opposite direction, he turned the hat around front to back and went back the way he had come, again passing both men in their fields.

Later that day the friends got to talking about the man with the hat. Each insisted that, since he had seen BOTH sides of the hat, he was 100% certain that he was correct and that the other was either blind, lying, or just plain crazy. The quarrel became so violently out of proportion that the king eventually heard about it and had all of the parties summoned.

Upon their arrival at the palace Eshu informed the king that neither man was a liar, but that both were fools. He removed his hat and showed the former friends each side, explaining how he had tricked them. He then turned the hat inside-out and showed them that it was actually red.

I think Eshu will be my new nickname for KT.

539 Kragar  Jun 12, 2014 10:33:06am

re: #531 Pie-onist Overlord

ASSHOLE

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Willing to bet this asshole has said “If you want a better job, get an education!”

540 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 10:33:25am

Sensible center:

Cruz led a pack of Republican prospects with 33 percent of the Republican voters’ support. Nobody else got into double digits; Cruz was followed by U.S. Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush. Only 13 percent of Republican voters said they have not formed an opinion about who should be the nominee.

“The assumption that negative national press invalidates his status as a candidate, I don’t see that,” Shaw said of Cruz. “He’s really well liked in Texas.”

541 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 10:33:25am

re:
#534

Hurr hurr real Americans dont have mortgages or car payments or student loans we paid up front all cash always now big gov lets anyone by house and car and flatscreen teevees and go to colleges

542 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 10:33:56am

re: #531 Pie-onist Overlord

ASSHOLE

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Don’t get an education, poor and middle class people! Only the wealthy should learn!
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543 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:34:41am

Yeah how dare you take a loan out to finance your education. Fucking feudal ashsoles.

544 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 10:34:54am

re: #530 Killgore Trout

Pew!

Killgore, that’s a nice and flowery way of saying that the “center” is made up mostly by people who have tuned out and don’t give a fuck. You sure as hell do not fit that mold.

545 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 10:35:27am

re: #539 Kragar

Willing to bet this asshole has said “If you want a better job, get an education!”

Yep. I see two possibilities - First, his parents paid for his schooling, so he has no grasp of what it now costs, or Second, he “worked his way through” a state school back when it didn’t cost $20k/year, so he has no grasp of what it now costs.

546 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 10:35:38am

hurr hurr if you dont like minwage get education but no lones you gotta work and save all your moneys for college first1

547 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 10:35:45am
548 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 10:36:20am

re: #540 Lidane

Sensible center:

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33:12 is not impressive for a native son. Maybe he polls better in Alberta.

549 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 10:36:45am

re: #547 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

It’s fucking CNN.

Have they found the plane yet?

550 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 10:37:47am

re: #539 Kragar

Willing to bet this asshole has said “If you want a better job, get an education!”

That was the meme up until yesterday now it’s HURR HURR DON’T GO TO COLLEGE IF U CAN’T AFFORD IT!!!!!! which fits nicely with HURR HURR U HAVE MINIMUM SKILLZ!!!!!

551 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:38:34am

Those assholes on TCOT would be happy if serfhood was legal again.

552 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 10:38:47am

hurr hurr student $$$$ and house $$$$$ is spreading sharing wealth around and is Marxism Soshulism quit it right now SIR!!1

553 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 10:39:48am

re: #551 HappyWarrior

Those assholes on TCOT would be happy if serfhood was legal again.

Only until they realize that they’d be serfs too.

554 Kragar  Jun 12, 2014 10:39:49am

re: #551 HappyWarrior

Those assholes on TCOT would be happy if serfhood was legal again.

“Sir! The peasants in TCOT are revolting!”
“You said it. They stink on ice.”

555 CuriousLurker  Jun 12, 2014 10:39:53am

re: #530 Killgore Trout

….many of those in the center remain on the edges of the political playing field, relatively distant and disengaged, while the most ideologically oriented and politically rancorous Americans make their voices heard through greater participation in every stage of the political process.

Pew!

Well, that description certainly doesn’t describe you since most days you’re right here in the thick of things with the rest of us, slinging links & spouting opinions for all you’re worth. Claiming to be a centrist and/or feigning detachment doesn’t cancel all that out.

Oopsie!

556 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 10:40:14am

re: #551 HappyWarrior

Those assholes on TCOT would be happy if serfhood was legal again.

No, serfdom is un-American. No section of our country has a history of that peculiar institution.

557 The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 12, 2014 10:40:25am

From the Pew study:

This movement among the public, and particularly the engaged public, tracks with increasingly polarized voting patterns in Congress, though to a far lesser extent. As many congressional scholars have documented, Republicans and Democrats on Capitol Hill are now further apart from one another than at any point in modern history, and that rising polarization among elected officials is asymmetrical, with much of the widening gap between the two parties attributable to a rightward shift among Republicans. As a result, using a widely accepted metric of ideological positioning, there is now no overlap between the two parties; in the last full session of Congress (the 112th Congress, which ran from 2011-12), every Republican senator and representative was more conservative than the most conservative Democrat (or, putting it another way, every Democrat was more liberal than the most liberal Republican).

And from the lnked-to WP article:

The evidence points to a major partisan asymmetry in polarization. Despite the widespread belief that both parties have moved to the extremes, the movement of the Republican Party to the right accounts for most of the divergence between the two parties. Since the 1970s, each new cohort of Republican legislators has taken conservative positions on legislation than the cohorts before them. That is not true of Democratic legislators. Any movement to the left by the Democrats can be accounted for by a decline in white representatives from the South and an increase in African-American and Latino representation.

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558 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 10:40:28am

Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl is scheduled to arrive back in the US overnight, senior defense officials tell NBC News - @NBCNightlyNews
see original on twitter.com

559 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:41:02am

re: #556 Decatur Deb

No, serfdom is un-American. No section of our country has a history of that peculiar institution.

Wouldn’t you say though that share-cropping was a facsimile of serfdom?

560 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 10:41:05am

re: #551 HappyWarrior

Those assholes on TCOT would be happy if serfhood slavery was legal again.

HURR HURR SERFDOM IS TEH YURRUPEEN!! WE’RE AMURICANS WE HAS AMURICAN VALUES!!!!!!

561 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:41:59am

re: #560 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR SERFDOM IS TEH YURRUPEEN!! WE’RE AMURICANS WE HAS AMURICAN VALUES!!!!!!

Hey theocracy is about as unAmerican as it gets and they still crave it but touche.

562 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 10:42:01am

re: #549 Justanotherhuman

It’s fucking CNN.

Have they found the plane yet?

When we find the Invisible Sheikh we will find the plane. He’s hiding in first class.

563 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 10:42:02am

re: #559 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t you say though that share-cropping was a facsimile of serfdom?

I say,,I say,,,Go whole hog, son.

564 Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2014 10:42:13am

re: #538 CuriousLurker

Ever heard of the blaxploitation film Abby?

It’s basically a blaxploitation rip-off of The Exorcist. Eshu is the demon that possess the titular character.

imdb.com

565 jaunte  Jun 12, 2014 10:42:50am

“The evidence points to a major partisan asymmetry in polarization.”

566 CuriousLurker  Jun 12, 2014 10:43:04am

re: #564 Dr Lizardo

Ever heard of the blaxploitation film Abby?

It’s basically a blaxploitation rip-off of The Exorcist. Eshu is the demon that possess the titular character.

imdb.com

Never heard of that one. Interesting!

567 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 10:43:06am

re: #555 CuriousLurker

“Many” does not mean “all”. It’s a mistake to use those terms interchangeably.

568 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 10:43:34am
569 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 10:44:42am

re: #568 NJDhockeyfan

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So, what do we call a unified Iraq and Iran?

570 gwangung  Jun 12, 2014 10:44:45am

re: #531 Pie-onist Overlord

ASSHOLE

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It’s profoundly anti-capitalist, too. You invest in under-invested, undervalued areas. Most new businesses fail, NOT because they have a bad idea or fail to work hard, but because they are under-capitalized and under-invested.

571 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 10:45:02am

re: #568 NJDhockeyfan

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So we enter a new world where the US provides air cover for the Revolutionary Guard.

572 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 10:45:42am

I’m curious about the Pew study that’s making such waves this morning - when they show the red and blue lumps getting more separate, are they putting that on an absolute scale of Liberal vs Conservative? Because it doesn’t seem to me as it Liberals are becoming more Liberal. The positions held by the Left seem to be those they’ve always held. That is, they don’t seem to have moved farther to the Left. What seems to me to be happening is that the Right is moving farther to the Right. Conservatives are now vociferously opposed to positions Conservatives advocated only a few years ago, from Healthcare to Economic Stimulus to Gun Control.

If I’m right, then the graphs Pew shows are misleading and depict a reality that doesn’t really exist, one where ‘Both Sides Are At Fault’.

573 Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2014 10:45:59am

re: #480 Rightwingconspirator

Well at least when we go after Iraq next time Al Qaeda will actually be there….

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That’s a point in favor of this.

If Bush was still pres, he’d bomb Spain.

574 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 10:46:00am

re: #569 Targetpractice

So, what do we call a unified Iraq and Iran?

Iraqn

575 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 10:46:12am

re: #569 Targetpractice

So, what do we call a unified Iraq and Iran?

Oil supplier.

576 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:46:25am

re: #570 gwangung

It’s profoundly anti-capitalist, too. You invest in under-invested, undervalued areas. Most new businesses fail, NOT because they have a bad idea or fail to work hard, but because they are under-capitalized and under-invested.

Well, that’s why I am not anti-capitalism. I am anti- their idea of capitalism which resembles feudalism more than anything Adam Smith wrote about. Smith believed in investing in people. These guys just want the already wealthy to stay wealthy and if the less wealthy can luck into being more wealthy, that’s good but we shouldn’t give anyone the tools i.e. fair wages, student loans, etc to get there. In short, they’re classist assholes.

577 Kragar  Jun 12, 2014 10:46:27am
578 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 10:46:30am

re: #569 Targetpractice

So, what do we call a unified Iraq and Iran?

The logical endgame of foolishly invading a majority Shiite country that was ruled by a Sunni dictator?

579 klys  Jun 12, 2014 10:46:59am

I’m willing to discuss compromises once we’ve made it clear that civil rights apply to all people, including my right to make decisions about my uterus and the right of gay and lesbian couples to get married to the person they love legally.

Guess that makes me a strict liberal.

580 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 10:47:08am

re: #547 NJDhockeyfan

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I claim “Invisible Sheikh” as a band name!
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581 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:47:16am

re: #577 Kragar

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And that other guy they murdered was just collateral damage in the revolution.//

582 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 10:47:28am

re: #568 NJDhockeyfan

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Well, there’s the boots on the ground.

583 CuriousLurker  Jun 12, 2014 10:47:31am

re: #567 Killgore Trout

“Many” does not mean “all”. It’s a mistake to use those terms interchangeably.

Nowhere did I use the terms interchangeably, I simply said that the description doesn’t describe you (since you’re the one who chose that snippet).

Try again.

584 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:47:59am

re: #580 GeneJockey

I claim “Invisible Sheikh” as a band name!
///

“And with their new hit, I give you Invisible Sheikh!” You can keep it as long as I keep Ragegasm.

585 Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2014 10:48:03am

re: #569 Targetpractice

So, what do we call a unified Iraq and Iran?

Tom Clancy called it the “United Islamic Republic”.

586 makeitstop  Jun 12, 2014 10:48:15am

re: #569 Targetpractice

So, what do we call a unified Iraq and Iran?

Iranq.

587 Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2014 10:48:24am

re: #569 Targetpractice

So, what do we call a unified Iraq and Iran?

$10 a gallon gasoline?

588 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 10:48:31am

re: #577 Kragar

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It’s going to be hard to dig out of this shit without doing harm to a couple of the amendments in the Bill of Rights.

589 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 10:48:40am

re: #580 GeneJockey

I claim “Invisible Sheikh” as a band name!
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Or a WWE professional wrestler!

590 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 12, 2014 10:48:50am

Judge rules Casey Kasem can be taken off life support

Casey’s bad day at work (NSFW - language)

Youtube Video

591 CarolJ  Jun 12, 2014 10:49:04am

re: #520 Lidane

Code Pink can’t get any traction even in Pelosi’s district. And that’s not just because of Pelosi. Someday she’ll retire, and someone else holds the seat-and it won’t be a member of Code Pink. Democrats these days are keenly aware that they may be the only thing holding America together-the rational part of governing. So they are not eager to embrace the crazy on any level.

Also, the browning of the party has brought in a large faction of moderate to conservative minorities, pragmatists, and realists. They want results, not utopia, and they aren’t going to sacrifice one for the other.

Also, with the crazy-and getting crazier-right-there is a lot of room on the left-so much room that all but Communists (who are extinct in America) can find a place in the party if they are willing to work with the rest of the party and their goals.

592 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 10:49:11am

re: #580 GeneJockey

I claim “Invisible Sheikh” as a band name!
///

Never sell. How do you know when you’re wearing one?

593 Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2014 10:49:15am

re: #541 Bulworth

re:
#534

Hurr hurr real Americans dont have mortgages or car payments or student loans we paid up front all cash always now big gov lets anyone by house and car and flatscreen teevees and go to colleges

“This kind of devisiveness, this attack of success, is very different than what we’ve seen in our country’s history. We’ve always encouraged young people: Take a shot, go for it, take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business.” -Mitt Romney, 2012

594 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 10:49:23am

re: #572 GeneJockey

I’m curious about the Pew study that’s making such waves this morning - when they show the red and blue lumps getting more separate, are they putting that on an absolute scale of Liberal vs Conservative? Because it doesn’t seem to me as it Liberals are becoming more Liberal. The positions held by the Left seem to be those they’ve always held. That is, they don’t seem to have moved farther to the Left. What seems to me to be happening is that the Right is moving farther to the Right. Conservatives are now vociferously opposed to positions Conservatives advocated only a few years ago, from Healthcare to Economic Stimulus to Gun Control.

If I’m right, then the graphs Pew shows are misleading and depict a reality that doesn’t really exist, one where ‘Both Sides Are At Fault’.

Pretty much. As noted above, I don’t think any of us can think of a Democrat who has had to radically change their stated beliefs to win over the far-left, but we’re supposed to believe that they’re “as bad” as Republicans who are all but supporting the start of a new inquisition.

595 Kragar  Jun 12, 2014 10:49:29am

So now we have Libertarians/Conservatives arguing in favor of killing cops and mass shootings on the radio.

Fucking gutter scum

596 klys  Jun 12, 2014 10:49:37am

re: #572 GeneJockey

I’m curious about the Pew study that’s making such waves this morning - when they show the red and blue lumps getting more separate, are they putting that on an absolute scale of Liberal vs Conservative? Because it doesn’t seem to me as it Liberals are becoming more Liberal. The positions held by the Left seem to be those they’ve always held. That is, they don’t seem to have moved farther to the Left. What seems to me to be happening is that the Right is moving farther to the Right. Conservatives are now vociferously opposed to positions Conservatives advocated only a few years ago, from Healthcare to Economic Stimulus to Gun Control.

If I’m right, then the graphs Pew shows are misleading and depict a reality that doesn’t really exist, one where ‘Both Sides Are At Fault’.

KT really likes the delusion that the left has moved further left, because then he can pretend that he is still a “moderate” liberal and the party has just shifted to the left of him, instead of the reality that he’s apparently still terrified of OWS and the idea that people can have free speech in response to others’ speech.

597 Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2014 10:50:07am

re: #595 Kragar

So now we have Libertarians/Conservatives arguing in favor of killing cops and mass shootings on the radio.

Fucking gutter scum

This guy has sponsors?

598 Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2014 10:50:12am

re: #566 CuriousLurker

Never heard of that one. Interesting!

It’s not bad, actually. You can find it on YouTube.

599 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 10:50:23am

re: #592 Decatur Deb

Never sell. How do you know when you’re wearing one?

How about “Invisible Shake”, the perfect drink for weight loss!

600 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:50:26am

re: #591 CarolJ

Code Pink can’t get any traction even in Pelosi’s district. And that’s not just because of Pelosi. Someday she’ll retire, and someone else holds the seat-and it won’t be a member of Code Pink. Democrats these days are keenly aware that they may be the only thing holding America together-the rational part of governing. So they are not eager to embrace the crazy on any level.

Also, the browning of the party has brought in a large faction of moderate to conservative minorities, pragmatists, and realists. They want results, not utopia, and they aren’t going to sacrifice one for the other.

Also, with the crazy-and getting crazier-right-there is a lot of room on the left-so much room that all but Communists (who are extinct in America) can find a place in the party if they are willing to work with the rest of the party and their goals.

Exactly.

601 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 10:50:42am

re: #569 Targetpractice

So, what do we call a unified Iraq and Iran?

Just don’t call them late for supper.

602 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 10:50:52am

re: #599 GeneJockey

How about “Invisible Shake”, the perfect drink for weight loss!

It’s so fluffy and airy.

//

603 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 10:51:29am

re: #599 GeneJockey

How about “Invisible Shake”, the perfect drink for weight loss!

“Invisible Shank, the Assassin’s Friend.”

604 freetoken  Jun 12, 2014 10:51:45am

re: #591 CarolJ

The Democratic Party has been, and today definitely is, the “I’m not a Republican” party.

IOW, there isn’t a sharply defined set of ideological boundaries but rather a loose coalition of people who want to oppose the GOP. The days of FDR and Truman are long gone, and even JFK.

605 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 10:51:59am

re: #602 Targetpractice

It’s so fluffy and airy.

//

It works right up till a little boy says, “Hey, the Emperor has no clothes! cup is empty!”

606 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:52:15am

IF anything though, I’d argue the left has moved more ot the middle. The president’s health care plan was after all more closer to what the Republicans proposed in the 90’s and early 00’s. His Supreme Court picks are not clones of people like Earl Warren, Thurgood MArshall, or Bill Brennan. Look at who the most popular Dem candidate for president in 2016 is. Hillary and look who is most popular among Republicans- Cruz.

607 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 10:53:00am
608 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 10:53:27am

re: #607 Killgore Trout

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You’re right, we should come together and agree…that the other side is to blame.

609 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 10:53:39am

re: #603 Decatur Deb

“Invisible Shank, the Assassin’s Friend.”

“Invisible Skank”, the nonexistant girl your creepy classmate claims to be having it off with.
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610 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 10:53:59am

re: #595 Kragar

So now we have Libertarians/Conservatives arguing in favor of killing cops and mass shootings on the radio.

Fucking gutter scum

Wheee!

611 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 10:54:10am

re: #601 Killgore Trout

Just don’t call them late for supper.

Iranq.

612 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:54:15am

The left I will argue has grown more pragmatic because I think more on the left realize even though of who are decidedly liberal is that we’d rather have some progress rather than expecting all or nothing which is the problem with the right. I would have preferred ACA be more stronger for example but as a pragmatist, I realize that social security was not what it is today overnight either. My right wing counterparts OTOH want ACA repealed or bust. And that’s pretty much the big difference between how a liberal in 2014 approaches things versus a conservative.

613 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 10:54:32am

re: #608 Targetpractice

You’re right, we should come together and agree…that the other side is to blame.

Consensus achieved!

614 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:55:04am

re: #607 Killgore Trout

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Who on the left is really gloating over the failure. I’m not happy about it but I do think it’s perfectly legitimate of the left to point out the blunder that Bush made for going into Iraq in the first place.

615 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 10:55:09am

re: #611 GeneJockey

Iranq.

That rolls off the tongue nicely

616 blueraven  Jun 12, 2014 10:55:21am

re: #557 The Ghost of a Flea

From the Pew study:

with much of the widening gap between the two parties attributable to a rightward shift among Republicans

.

The MBF just suffered a major stroke. Fans are very concerned.

617 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 10:55:24am

re: #611 GeneJockey

Iranq.

“Supplier”

618 The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 12, 2014 10:55:53am

re: #595 Kragar

So now we have Libertarians/Conservatives arguing in favor of killing cops and mass shootings on the radio.

Fucking gutter scum

My standing opinion is that their support of the 2nd Amendment extends exactly as far as their support for the other civil liberties: rights for us, but not for others.

Given all the groups they classify as dangerous and/or Not American (and that the real outspoken nutters will talk about retaliating against), I can’t see them sitting comfortably with liberal, gay, Muslim, etc. gun owners.

Grant wingnuts a bigger slice of federal authority and it’s going to be Hideyoshi’s fucking sword hunt.

619 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 10:56:28am

re: #612 HappyWarrior

The left I will argue has grown more pragmatic because I think more on the left realize even though of who are decidedly liberal is that we’d rather have some progress rather than expecting all or nothing which is the problem with the right.

Suffering a 49-state shellacking in a national election will do that.

After their humiliation in 1984, the Dems moved to marginalize the far left moonbats, woo woo crunchy granola types, and hippies. There’s a reason why the two Democrats elected POTUS since then are centrists.

620 Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2014 10:56:46am

re: #607 Killgore Trout

Remind me again. When was Iraq considered a “success”? Was it before or after “The Surge”?

621 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 10:57:12am

re: #620 Skip Intro

Remind me again. When was Iraq considered a “success”? Was it before or after “The Surge”?

SHOCK AND AWE!

622 Kragar  Jun 12, 2014 10:57:14am

re: #597 Skip Intro

This guy has sponsors?

Internet Show

Adam Kokesh

Adam vs. The Man

Adam vs. The Man is a talk show which has been available in a variety of formats, such as AM radio, web-access, podcast and Facebook-linked YouTube channel. Initially airing in 2011 as an evening two-hour broadcast on KIVA AM 1550 talk radio in Albuquerque, New Mexico, Adam vs. The Man then shifted to a half-hour video news format on Russia Today (see next section) before fully moving to the internet as an hour-long video podcast. On April 7, 2014, AVTM 4.0 was launched from Los Angeles, CA, and can be viewed live daily from noon to 2 PM, Pacific Time. adamvstheman.com
RT America

Adam vs. The Man was licensed by Russia Today’s US affiliate in April 2011. The move was criticized by Accuracy in Media’s columnist Cliff Kincaid who referenced his own column entry from 2008 discussing RT’s coverage of the Russia-Georgia War in which he condemned RT for “preferring to use foreigners, especially Americans, to make Russian propaganda points”[54] before stating that “the American Marine Veteran, Adam Kokesh, seems to fit the bill, having emerged as an anti-war activist who ran as a Republican for Congress and supported Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) for president”.[55] Slate writer David Weigel quoted Kokesh describing RT’s model, saying: “Truth is the best propaganda. I love it! I really love the concept of that. It’s funny: People say we’re hiding shit as a network. No, no—we put the fact that this is propaganda right out front. We’re putting out the truth that no one else wants to say. I mean, if you want to put it in the worst possible abstract, it’s the Russian government, which is a competing protection racket against the other governments of the world, going against the United States and calling them on their bullshit.”[56]

After only a few months on RT, Adam vs. The Man was canceled in August by that network to avoid potential legal problems stemming from an FEC complaint filed against Russia Today by the conservative[citation needed] group America’s Survival, Inc. over the matter of Kokesh endorsing Ron Paul for President (thereby allegedly running afoul of the Foreign Agents Registration Act).[57]

623 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2014 10:57:46am

re: #577 Kragar

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Kokesh asserted that the slaying of the two officers was not “murder” because police are likely to kill people.

Adam Kokesh. The man too fucked up for New Mexico teabaggers. They found some schlub to run against him in a congressional primary.

624 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 10:58:00am

Invisible Stink - blame the dog

625 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 10:58:30am

I really have little respect for the fence-sitters, who think that they sit in judgment of those on one side of an argument or the other because they have not staked out a position and even take pride in not doing so because they are “above” partisanship. “A pox on both houses” is no way to run a country.

626 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 10:58:42am

re: #605 GeneJockey

It works right up till a little boy says, “Hey, the Emperor has no clothes! cup is empty!” Please sir may I have more?

627 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 12, 2014 10:59:12am

re: #492 Killgore Trout

628 CarolJ  Jun 12, 2014 10:59:13am

re: #614 HappyWarrior

Indeed, I bet a lot of Iraqis (those who haven’t already fled) would have rather had another ten years of Saddam. Yes., he was brutal, but he had the street credibility necessary to hold Iraq intact. Which is what Daddy Bush knew. There was no replacement ready to take over and keep the nation intact. He would have had to install someone, and usually with a dictatorship like Saddam, that person would either have been :
1) A crony of Saddam (did he have them?)
2) A complete puppet of the Americans with no street cred and no experience.
Only the first would have been able to hold the army together long enough for some stability.

629 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 10:59:52am

re: #619 Lidane

Suffering a 49-state shellacking in a national election will do that.

After their humiliation in 1984, the Dems moved to marginalize the far left moonbats, woo woo crunchy granola types, and hippies. There’s a reason why the two Democrats elected POTUS since then are centrists.

Right, and you saw the ground work for a new Democratic Party in the 80’s with guys like Clinton, Gore, and others who ended up playing a big role in the Dems success in the 90’s. There’s nothing close to that going on inside the GOP right now. In fact, Cantor’s defeat to me suggests the total opposite is going on where Republicans think they need to go further and further to the right. What they don’t get is while many of them invoke Reagan is Reagan didn’t use the doom and gloom crap that many of them do. Not a Reagan fan at all but the man was smart enough politically to play off of optimism rather than fear. Does the right really think they’re going woo American voters by likening gay marriage to Nazism?

630 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 11:00:22am

re: #604 freetoken

The Democratic Party has been, and today definitely is, the “I’m not a Republican” party.

IOW, there isn’t a sharply defined set of ideological boundaries but rather a loose coalition of people who want to oppose the GOP. The days of FDR and Truman are long gone, and even JFK.

You mean Truman, who supported Unionization and tried to pass National Healthcare, was so different from Obama, who supports unionization and actually passed it?

Sorry, not buying. If you look at what the Democrats have been supporting for decades, it stays pretty much the same - social safety net, individual freedoms, racial and gender equality, reasonable regulation of business, Keynesian economics, progressive taxation, strong but sensible defense - that’s what we’ve been supporting pretty much as long as I’ve been alive.

In earlier decades, there was a significant overlap with the GOP on these positions. Now? Not much at all.

631 Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2014 11:00:26am

re: #622 Kragar

So he works for free? You can’t get any more Libertarian than that.

632 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 11:00:57am

re: #615 Killgore Trout

That rolls off the tongue nicely

It’s also the sound geese make when flying overhead.
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633 CuriousLurker  Jun 12, 2014 11:01:22am

re: #607 Killgore Trout

A.M.H.
@alimhaider

Right gloating over Iraq’s failure and blaming Obama. Left gloating over Iraq’s failure and blaming Bush. This is not healthy.

I see, you’re just humbly doing your civic duty of pointing out the gloating, just in case the MBF or anyone missed it. Thanks so much—we’d be rudderless in a treacherous sea without your sage guidance. //

Okay, lunchtime. BBL

634 Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2014 11:01:25am

re: #630 GeneJockey

In earlier decades, there was a significant overlap with the GOP on these positions. Now? Not much at all.

You mean not so much as in “none”.

635 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 11:03:16am

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST MEME I HAVE SEEN ALL DAY:

636 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 11:03:16am

re: #633 CuriousLurker

I see, you’re just humbly doing your civic duty of pointing out the gloating, just in case the MBF or anyone missed it. Thanks so much—we’d be rudderless in a treacherous sea without your sage guidance. //

Okay, lunchtime. BBL

Eat well and remember my scientific advice about paranoia and fasting blood glucose

637 Kragar  Jun 12, 2014 11:03:29am

re: #631 Skip Intro

So he works for free? You can’t get any more Libertarian than that.

Why does it not surprise me that shitstain had a deal with RT?

638 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 11:04:40am

re: #635 Pie-onist Overlord

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST MEME I HAVE SEEN ALL DAY:

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Incredibly dumb. But yet I bet he wants the government to deport all the illegals. Fucking conservatives and their hypocrisy involving government.

639 jaunte  Jun 12, 2014 11:04:58am
640 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 11:05:01am

Wingnuts will flood this hashtag with Derp & racism

641 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 11:05:34am

re: #635 Pie-onist Overlord

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST MEME I HAVE SEEN ALL DAY:

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I challenge the wingnut to name a stretch of highway that was built and maintained exclusively through private dollars.

642 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 11:06:19am

We’re for limited and no government!
Deport all teh illegal Mexicans!
Seriously, conservatives, the only people you fool when you say you’re for small and limited government are yourselves.

643 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 11:07:08am

Speaking of “Who Will Build The Roads”
Our roads will not get fixed because Koch Brothers lobbied against it.
FUCK YOU KOCH’S. BUT YOU WANT GOVERNMENT TO BUILD YOUR OWN PERSONAL XL PIPELINE YOU MOOCHING ASSHOLES.

644 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 11:07:21am

re: #641 Targetpractice

I challenge the wingnut to name a stretch of highway that was built and maintained exclusively through private dollars.

I also want them to tell me which president authorized the Interstate Highway System.

I bet they think it’s Obama. Or Clinton.

645 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 11:07:32am

re: #629 HappyWarrior

Right, and you saw the ground work for a new Democratic Party in the 80’s with guys like Clinton, Gore, and others who ended up playing a big role in the Dems success in the 90’s. There’s nothing close to that going on inside the GOP right now. In fact, Cantor’s defeat to me suggests the total opposite is going on where Republicans think they need to go further and further to the right. What they don’t get is while many of them invoke Reagan is Reagan didn’t use the doom and gloom crap that many of them do. Not a Reagan fan at all but the man was smart enough politically to play off of optimism rather than fear. Does the right really think they’re going woo American voters by likening gay marriage to Nazism?

I’d say the 49 state shellacking that really made the change was 1972. People forget this, but Carter was actually pretty much a centrist. Certainly he governed that way.

646 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 11:07:47am

re: #641 Targetpractice

I challenge the wingnut to name a stretch of highway that was built and maintained exclusively through private dollars.

There is some toll road in New Hampshire that was built in 1827 they proudly point to.

647 jaunte  Jun 12, 2014 11:08:41am

re: #643 Pie-onist Overlord

“We’ve been hearing from citizens across Michigan. Yes, they want the roads fixed, but they also want their elected officials to identify a solution that doesn’t involve massive tax hikes.”

They’re still looking for the magic FREE STUFF button.

648 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 11:09:28am

re: #569 Targetpractice

So, what do we call a unified Iraq and Iran?

Mesopotamia.

649 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 11:09:42am

re: #646 Pie-onist Overlord

There is some toll road in New Hampshire that was built in 1827 they proudly point to.

Who runs that stretch of road now?

650 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 11:09:51am

re: #639 jaunte

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I’ve seen Third Way catching a lot of shit from progressive sites like Dkos but I like them. Still lots of things I disagree with but I do really appreciate their tone.

651 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 11:10:20am

re: #645 GeneJockey

I’d say the 49 state shellacking that really made the change was 1972. People forget this, but Carter was actually pretty much a centrist. Certainly he governed that way.

Yeah I do agree that the McGovern defeat was the real beginning more so than Mondale.Dukakis.

652 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 11:11:55am

re: #635 Pie-onist Overlord

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST MEME I HAVE SEEN ALL DAY:

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The thing is, Libertarians don’t actually have an answer to that question, so rather than answering it, they ridicule it.

But it IS a cogent question, along with “Who makes sure you don’t buy poison disguised as food?”, or “Who keeps your neighbor from building on your property?”

Libertarians want to live in the world Liberalism created, at no cost to themselves. They want the conveniences that come with such a government without the inconvenience of taxes or following the laws they don’t like. They’re children.

653 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 11:14:10am

re: #651 HappyWarrior

Yeah I do agree that the McGovern defeat was the real beginning more so than Mondale.Dukakis.

Yeah, but again, neither Mondale nor Dukakis was a wild-eyed Liberal. Thy sure SEEM like it today because the spectrum shifted radically to the Right. Cripes, in today’s terms, Eisenhower would be a liberal. NIXON would be a liberal!

654 Kragar  Jun 12, 2014 11:14:20am

re: #635 Pie-onist Overlord

655 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 11:14:51am

re: #652 GeneJockey

The thing is, Libertarians don’t actually have an answer to that question, so rather than answering it, they ridicule it.

But it IS a cogent question, along with “Who makes sure you don’t buy poison disguised as food?”, or “Who keeps your neighbor from building on your property?”

Libertarians want to live in the world Liberalism created, at no cost to themselves. They want the conveniences that come with such a government without the inconvenience of taxes or following the laws they don’t like. They’re children.

THIS==>

“Vote for Prosperity”=No new taxes to fix crumbling, potholed roads. Yes we want the roads fixed HURR HURR WERE NOT PAYIN FOR IT!!!!!

Do they think the Road Fairy is going to fix the roads?

It already cost me $235 after I blew out a tire on a pothole.

656 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 11:15:21am

re: #652 GeneJockey

The thing is, Libertarians don’t actually have an answer to that question, so rather than answering it, they ridicule it.

But it IS a cogent question, along with “Who makes sure you don’t buy poison disguised as food?”, or “Who keeps your neighbor from building on your property?”

Libertarians want to live in the world Liberalism created, at no cost to themselves. They want the conveniences that come with such a government without the inconvenience of taxes or following the laws they don’t like. They’re children.

If we were at a bar right, I’d buy you a shot or round of your choice because this has been my feeling for years. Libertarians and I’d say conservatives too want to live in this world of ours that was as you rightfully point out was created by liberalism with no cost to themselves. I’ve felt for years that cons and libertarians have taken so much for granted that would not exist without the liberal programs that they despise. That weekend you get off after a long week of work? Thank that union you call thugs. That you’re able to get benefits for being a veteran? Thank the liberals who thought investing in our GIs was a good idea. Appreciate not breathing toxic chemicals? Thank those tree huggers you hate. We wouldn’t and this is why ultimately I’m not only a liberal but a proud liberal but we have a high standard of living because of liberalism. Liberalism means progress and that’s why I will always champion it.

657 klys  Jun 12, 2014 11:15:54am

re: #653 GeneJockey

Yeah, but again, neither Mondale nor Dukakis was a wild-eyed Liberal. Thy sure SEEM like it today because the spectrum shifted radically to the Right. Cripes, in today’s terms, Eisenhower would be a liberal. NIXON would be a liberal!

Bush the Elder is too liberal to get elected by today’s Republican party but we’re supposed to believe the Democrats have increasingly shifted to the left. Right.

658 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 11:16:37am

re: #657 klys

Bush the Elder is too liberal to get elected by today’s Republican party but we’re supposed to believe the Democrats have increasingly shifted to the left. Right.

REAGAN was too liberal to be elected by today’s Republican Party.

659 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 11:16:59am

re: #639 jaunte

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Uh, NO.

660 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 11:17:46am

I’d argue that W is too liberal for today’s Republican Party. Not nearly hateful enough towards gays and immigrants.

661 CarolJ  Jun 12, 2014 11:17:47am

re: #652 GeneJockey

The thing is, Libertarians don’t actually have an answer to that question, so rather than answering it, they ridicule it.

But it IS a cogent question, along with “Who makes sure you don’t buy poison disguised as food?”, or “Who keeps your neighbor from building on your property?”

Libertarians want to live in the world Liberalism created, at no cost to themselves. They want the conveniences that come with such a government without the inconvenience of taxes or following the laws they don’t like. They’re children.

Amen. Indeed, it’s hard to find a place that’s livable without a strong central Government. It’s why the Founders created one in the first place.
Central governments provides the muscle necessary for safe commerce. American trucks and trains travel without fear of highway robbery or having to pay tolls everytime they cross state lines. Strong Federal standards make it possible for contacts to be honored between parties regardless of state. We don’t have warring warlords fighting each other even in cities like Detroit or in the mountain wilderness.

The libertarian business culture is soley a creation of government: it relies on currency, strong enforcement of contracts, safe freedom of movement, the ability to send goods and services-and get goods and services from far flung places.

662 jaunte  Jun 12, 2014 11:19:07am

re: #659 Decatur Deb

Seems overly optimistic.

663 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 11:19:10am

FDR had it right when he described conservatives as perfectly able men who have never learned to walk forward.

664 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 11:21:10am

re: #656 HappyWarrior

If we were at a bar right, I’d buy you a shot or round of your choice because this has been my feeling for years. Libertarians and I’d say conservatives too want to live in this world of ours that was as you rightfully point out was created by liberalism with no cost to themselves. I’ve felt for years that cons and libertarians have taken so much for granted that would not exist without the liberal programs that they despise. That weekend you get off after a long week of work? Thank that union you call thugs. That you’re able to get benefits for being a veteran? Thank the liberals who thought investing in our GIs was a good idea. Appreciate not breathing toxic chemicals? Thank those tree huggers you hate. We wouldn’t and this is why ultimately I’m not only a liberal but a proud liberal but we have a high standard of living because of liberalism. Liberalism means progress and that’s why I will always champion it.

Conservatives want to return to a time that never existed. They remember the 1950s as a time when taxes were low, there were no unions, there was unending prosperity, and everybody was happy with the social structure.

They forget that there were strikes ALL THE TIME, which working people SUPPORTED because it meant higher wages for them, too. THAT’S how a rising tide lifts all boats.

They forget that the marginal tax rate on the top earners was 91% - NINETY ONE PERCENT!

They forget that women had little or no opportunities beyond marrying the right man, and that blacks were restricted in where they could live, what jobs they could hold, and even whom they could marry, and if they tried to push the boundaries they might well end up dead.

665 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 12, 2014 11:21:17am

re: #639 jaunte

Was that article supposed to have been printed on April 1?

666 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 11:21:40am

re: #664 GeneJockey

Conservatives want to return to a time that never existed. They remember the 1950s as a time when taxes were low, there were no unions, there was unending prosperity, and everybody was happy with the social structure.

They forget that there were strikes ALL THE TIME, which working people SUPPORTED because it meant higher wages for them, too. THAT’S how a rising tide lifts all boats.

They forget that the marginal tax rate on the top earners was 91% - NINETY ONE PERCENT!

They forget that women had little or no opportunities beyond marrying the right man, and that blacks were restricted in where they could live, what jobs they could hold, and even whom they could marry, and if they tried to push the boundaries they might well end up dead.

Excellent point about the 50’s.

667 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 11:22:38am

Let’s imagine going to war against Hitler and Tojo with a loose federation of 48 jealously sovereign states. The Dreadnought and the aircraft carrier put an end to that.

668 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 11:25:39am

re: #664 GeneJockey

Conservatives want to return to a time that never existed. They remember the 1950s as a time when taxes were low, there were no unions, there was unending prosperity, and everybody was happy with the social structure.

They forget that there were strikes ALL THE TIME, which working people SUPPORTED because it meant higher wages for them, too. THAT’S how a rising tide lifts all boats.

They forget that the marginal tax rate on the top earners was 91% - NINETY ONE PERCENT!

They forget that women had little or no opportunities beyond marrying the right man, and that blacks were restricted in where they could live, what jobs they could hold, and even whom they could marry, and if they tried to push the boundaries they might well end up dead.

669 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 11:26:30am

re: #668 Pie-onist Overlord

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I know, right?

670 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 12, 2014 11:26:31am

re: #532 wrenchwench

Congrats to her!

Now get ready for the fun of Junior High.

and soon, young men, much like you were at that age, will be coming to take her out on dates….

RBS

671 freetoken  Jun 12, 2014 11:28:20am

re: #630 GeneJockey

You mean Truman, who supported Unionization and tried to pass National Healthcare, was so different from Obama, who supports unionization and actually passed it?

But, that is my point. These are old agendas, and it took 50 years to pass “Obamacare”, which itself is a rather backwards way to approach the problem of universal health-care.

Much of what defines “Democratic party” are still from the FDR-Truman era, some of the coalition are the same members, but now with a much larger nation and therefore larger and more diverse parties. And the largeness of the political coalitions is making it tough to get even small changes accomplished.

“Obamacare” is the last (perhaps only) big (domestic) achievement in President Obama’s administration. I doubt the next President can accomplish even that much.

672 CarolJ  Jun 12, 2014 11:30:03am

I also think there are two things-but not the only two-that animate this discussion.

The resentment about losing both Civil Wars-the first one and the Civil rights one that came a century later. A lot of those folks would like to reverse the second, and I bet even a few would like to reverse the former too. But there’s no room in a modern globe for either.

Those changes mean that they have to compete-and share the resources of America with-those people (blacks, latins, whatever). Like a dying aristocracy, simply having a better way of life because of how you were born is going away for good. And unlike those aristocrats, they don’t have the education or the class to adapt to change.

That’s not sitting very well with a lot of white conservatives-and they are lashing out like toddlers over the changes. Meanwhile, everyone else-black and white would just like to live in the 21st century and get along with each other.

673 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 11:31:41am

re: #671 freetoken

But, that is my point. These are old agendas, and it took 50 years to pass “Obamacare”, which itself is a rather backwards way to approach the problem of universal health-care.

Much of what defines “Democratic party” are still from the FDR-Truman era, some of the coalition are the same members, but now with a much larger nation and therefore larger and more diverse parties. And the largeness of the political coalitions is making it tough to get even small changes accomplished.

“Obamacare” is the last (perhaps only) big (domestic) achievement in President Obama’s administration. I doubt the next President can accomplish even that much.

It’s not clear to me what your point is. You seemed to be saying the Dems have no positions of their own beyond opposing the GOP, and yet now you say their positions have been consistent.

What ARE you trying to say?

674 freetoken  Jun 12, 2014 11:36:35am

re: #673 GeneJockey

It’s not clear to me what your point is. You seemed to be saying the Dems have no positions of their own beyond opposing the GOP, and yet now you say their positions have been consistent.

What ARE you trying to say?

That making changes are very slow, and that the Democratic Party today are effecting changes much more slowly than what FDR, Truman, or even JFK were able to do.

The reason necessary changes (to laws and governance) are seemingly impossible to make these days is because the electorate is so large and expertly managed by political specialists, and we are now getting caught up in our own political machinery.

Contrary to the exclamations of some, I do not think that modern American society is too ideological. Rather, I think that the opposite is the problem - we really don’t care a great deal about too much, other than our immediate daily requirements/desires.

Contra to certain others here, I think the problem today is that Americans are not being passionate enough about what really matters.

675 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 12, 2014 11:38:02am

re: #453 Killgore Trout

The center isn’t ‘sensible’, it’s just the center.

676 GeneJockey  Jun 12, 2014 11:41:04am

re: #674 freetoken

That making changes are very slow, and that the Democratic Party today are effecting changes much more slowly than what FDR, Truman, or even JFK were able to do.

The reason necessary changes (to laws and governance) are seemingly impossible to make these days is because the electorate is so large and expertly managed by political specialists, and we are now getting caught up in our own political machinery.

Contrary to the exclamations of some, I do not think that modern American society is too ideological. Rather, I think that the opposite is the problem - we really don’t care a great deal about too much, other than our immediate daily requirements/desires.

Contra to certain others here, I think the problem today is that Americans are not being passionate enough about what really matters.

To be fair, FDR had 3 years of the worst economic crisis in American history before taking office to motivate change. Truman had the children of the Great Depression coming back from the war to help him. JFK didn’t actually do that much. LBJ did a lot of stuff by invoking JFK as the martyr.

Obama, OTOH, took office as the economy was going off the cliff, so there was no chance for Conservative policies to fail for three years.


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