A Not-So-Simple Question: Why Do We Laugh?

Robert Provine, Doctor of Laughology
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Laughter is universal, but we know very little about the reasons we do it. Dr. Robert Provine has been studying the social and neurological roots of laughter for 20 years, and has come to surprising conclusions about how we operate as human beings.

For more on the health benefits of laughter, visit: theatlantic.com

To learn more about Dr. Provine’s research, read his latest book, Curious Behavior: bit.ly

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1 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2014 5:07:12pm

He’s a chuckleographer.

2 dog philosopher  Jun 12, 2014 5:20:15pm

whatcha laughin’ at, buster?

3 teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2014 5:29:12pm

Speaking of laughter, here’s one of the wingnuttiest things that’s passed across my Facebook timeline probably ever. The man writing this is my disgraced 8th grade teacher (back story: he resigned amid allegations of sexual misconduct with a couple of the male students in my class, he was to be arrested but he fled and after that the victims refused to press charges. He installs security systems now, I think, and hasn’t set foot in Colorado in well over a decade.). Lizards, oh connoisseurs of wingnut, behold!

And the shouts filled the mosques and bazaars of desert lands. As the Kurds seize the oil and Kirkuk! and Iran sends its special forces to help “protect” Baghdad; across the NON western world the chants arose.

Like the Ministry of Magic when the Death Eaters seized control - OBAMA HAS FALLEN! OBAMA HAS FALLEN! And in the lands of the Free the Charlatan Presidency, the Left Despot, fulfilling its role as Tool of the Shadow, did nothing but smiled and waved… inch by inch the Dark One crept closer.

In the hallowed halls of the Nights Watch, the Jedi and the Sunderkind Born Aes Sedai - a different cry arose - “the shadow is HERE!” Begun the Last Battle has.

Parse that however you wish. It’s a wonderful cornucopia of derp, religious extremism, sci-fi references (I think ? ) and general fear and loathing. Hey, it made me laugh!

Naturally, I had to say something! So, with nuance and brevity, I chimed in.

You’d stub your own toe and it would be THE DARK ONE OBAMA FULFILLING ITS ROLE AS TOOL OF THE SHADOW.

You’re jumping the whale bro.

Good evening Lizards!

4 Kid A  Jun 12, 2014 5:33:44pm

We laugh because wingnuts exist.

5 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2014 5:35:21pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

He’s a chuckleographer.

Notice that when you reply to a comment now, the number of the comment you’re replying to shows up as a button, to oh-so-gently remind you that you can click it to see the full comment in a popup.

6 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 5:35:34pm

Why has Obama refused to support an Iraq policy that was destined to fail and promoted by zealots in the first place? //

7 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 5:37:19pm

There really isn’t much cuter than a laughing babee.

8 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 5:38:40pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Notice that when you reply to a comment now, the number of the comment you’re replying to shows up as a button, to oh-so-gently remind you that you can click it to see the full comment in a popup.

Balfour - we are looking at you!

9 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 5:41:19pm

This ought to tickle your funny bone.

10 sagehen  Jun 12, 2014 5:43:48pm

re: #9 Justanotherhuman

This ought to tickle your funny bone.

[Embedded content]

Translation: “I wasn’t going to win, so I’ll not embarrass myself by taking this any further.”

11 teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2014 5:45:27pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

There really isn’t much cuter than a laughing babee.

Youtube Video

12 Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2014 5:47:00pm

re: #9 Justanotherhuman

So the TP just defeated the old Leader who was anti-immigration but not anti-immigration enough and will probably elect a new Leader who is pro-immigration and will work to pass an immigration bill.

Do I have that about right?

13 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2014 5:49:07pm

re: #12 Skip Intro

So the TP just defeated the old Leader who was anti-immigration but not anti-immigration enough and will probably elect a new Leader who is pro-immigration and will work to pass an immigration bill.

Do I have that about right?

I’ll LOL if the GOP establishment tries to do something on immigration with the GOP base feeling so frisky on this issue.

14 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 5:52:25pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Video

eh?

15 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 5:53:24pm

Too much multi-tasking here. Just grinded a spoon in the disposal. :(

16 klys  Jun 12, 2014 5:53:44pm

Pork browned and now in the oven to cook until it falls apart.

Eyes burned again, round 2. Potent chipotles.

17 thedopefishlives  Jun 12, 2014 5:53:51pm

re: #15 Stanley Sea

Too much multi-tasking here. Just grinded a spoon in the disposal. :(

There is no spoon.

18 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 5:54:58pm

re: #17 thedopefishlives

There is no spoon.

There is. It now has teeth.

19 klys  Jun 12, 2014 5:55:13pm

re: #18 Stanley Sea

There is. It now has teeth.

You made a spork!

20 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 5:56:10pm

re: #19 klys

You made a spork!

:( it was part of the silver too. Oh well, I use it because I can.

21 thedopefishlives  Jun 12, 2014 5:57:02pm

re: #19 klys

You made a spork!

OH GOD WHAT EVIL HATH BEEN WROUGHT?!

22 klys  Jun 12, 2014 5:57:47pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

:( it was part of the silver too. Oh well, I use it because I can.

I don’t own any fancy china or silver. Didn’t ask for any when we got married.

a) the husband is an only child.
b) we’d never use the damn things anyway.

Give me the Corelle plates that are hard to break, and the silverware from like 5 different garage sales.

Well, ok, I’d actually like to unify the silverware into one set, but that’s more because it’s obnoxious when things don’t stack properly in the drawer.

23 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 5:58:25pm

Exclusive: Bergdahl Explains in Prison Letters Why He Vanished

In a pair of letters, the captured U.S. soldier asks his government to reserve judgment about his disappearance—and complains about the officers leading his unit in Afghanistan.

24 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2014 5:58:42pm

Some absolutely freaking amazing Photoshop work: Martín De Pasquale on Behance.

25 Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2014 5:58:59pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

Speaking of laughter, here’s one of the wingnuttiest things that’s passed across my Facebook timeline probably ever. The man writing this is my disgraced 8th grade teacher (back story: he resigned amid allegations of sexual misconduct with a couple of the male students in my class, he was to be arrested but he fled and after that the victims refused to press charges. He installs security systems now, I think, and hasn’t set foot in Colorado in well over a decade.). Lizards, oh connoisseurs of wingnut, behold!

Parse that however you wish. It’s a wonderful cornucopia of derp, religious extremism, sci-fi references (I think ? ) and general fear and loathing. Hey, it made me laugh!

Naturally, I had to say something! So, with nuance and brevity, I chimed in.

Good evening Lizards!

So what is Obama supposed to being in that hallucinatory bit? Options:

A. Sauron

B. Lord Voldemort

C. Darth Vader

D. [the n-word]

E. The Anti-Christ

F. All of the above

G. Rand Paul

26 thedopefishlives  Jun 12, 2014 5:59:17pm

re: #22 klys

I don’t own any fancy china or silver. Didn’t ask for any when we got married.

a) the husband is an only child.
b) we’d never use the damn things anyway.

Give me the Corelle plates that are hard to break, and the silverware from like 5 different garage sales.

Well, ok, I’d actually like to unify the silverware into one set, but that’s more because it’s obnoxious when things don’t stack properly in the drawer.

My wife and I received a set of Corelle from my mother-in-law for our wedding. Some time later, we found a box that the Mrs. Fish’s late grandmother had left for her wedding day. Inside? A brand-new, unopened box of Corelle. Identical pattern and all.

27 piratedan  Jun 12, 2014 5:59:37pm

re: #17 thedopefishlives

there is only Zuul…

28 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 5:59:55pm

re: #22 klys

I don’t own any fancy china or silver. Didn’t ask for any when we got married.

a) the husband is an only child.
b) we’d never use the damn things anyway.

Give me the Corelle plates that are hard to break, and the silverware from like 5 different garage sales.

Well, ok, I’d actually like to unify the silverware into one set, but that’s more because it’s obnoxious when things don’t stack properly in the drawer.

I got all that stuff and I still love it. My friend did the garage sales/ebay and got silver mix matched.

Yes, I do have to elbow grease with the blue gunk every so often.

29 klys  Jun 12, 2014 6:00:39pm

re: #26 thedopefishlives

My wife and I received a set of Corelle from my mother-in-law for our wedding. Some time later, we found a box that the Mrs. Fish’s late grandmother had left for her wedding day. Inside? A brand-new, unopened box of Corelle. Identical pattern and all.

I love the stuff. When my parents finally replaced the ones we had growing up with a new set, I got the old ones and they are our camping plates in the trailer. Pretty near impossible to break.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe if I get new ones at some point I’ll go fancy and get the squares.

30 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 6:01:14pm

re: #26 thedopefishlives

My wife and I received a set of Corelle from my mother-in-law for our wedding. Some time later, we found a box that the Mrs. Fish’s late grandmother had left for her wedding day. Inside? A brand-new, unopened box of Corelle. Identical pattern and all.

I do have all my Mom’s corningware. The blue cornflower. From the 60’s and still in great shape.

31 klys  Jun 12, 2014 6:02:00pm

re: #28 Stanley Sea

I got all that stuff and I still love it. My friend did the garage sales/ebay and got silver mix matched.

Yes, I do have to elbow grease with the blue gunk every so often.

I figure I’ll be getting my inlaws at some point. It’s kind of a funky 70s pattern.

We have a pot or two that were from their wedding presents. BRIGHT orange.

32 thedopefishlives  Jun 12, 2014 6:02:06pm

re: #29 klys

I love the stuff. When my parents finally replaced the ones we had growing up with a new set, I got the old ones and they are our camping plates in the trailer. Pretty near impossible to break.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe if I get new ones at some point I’ll go fancy and get the squares.

In an incredible twist of irony, the Corelle my mom has and the stuff my mother-in-law has is the exact same pattern. Three sets, three different people, all the same. I’m guessing it must’ve been the most popular one.

33 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 6:02:19pm

re: #30 Stanley Sea

I do have all my Mom’s corningware. The blue cornflower. From the 60’s and still in great shape.

And to nostalgia even more, I think she got the majority via green stamps.

34 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 6:02:42pm

re: #31 klys

I figure I’ll be getting my inlaws at some point. It’s kind of a funky 70s pattern.

We have a pot or two that were from their wedding presents. BRIGHT orange.

haha. Mid century modern is back in style.

35 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 6:03:00pm

re: #32 thedopefishlives

In an incredible twist of irony, the Corelle my mom has and the stuff my mother-in-law has is the exact same pattern. Three sets, three different people, all the same. I’m guessing it must’ve been the most popular one.

The green?

36 klys  Jun 12, 2014 6:03:13pm

re: #32 thedopefishlives

In an incredible twist of irony, the Corelle my mom has and the stuff my mother-in-law has is the exact same pattern. Three sets, three different people, all the same. I’m guessing it must’ve been the most popular one.

When I worked at Corning for a summer, I saw a pattern I fell in love with. Raised motive of bamboo on a plate, all in white.

I don’t think it’s ever actually been produced.

So I stick with plain white, because it is always made and easy to find more.

37 thedopefishlives  Jun 12, 2014 6:04:00pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

haha. Mid century modern is back in style.

Did somebody say FIESTAWARE?! Bonus points* if you have the original radium orange!

* = bonus negative points to your life expectancy…

38 Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2014 6:04:06pm

re: #12 Skip Intro

So the TP just defeated the old Leader who was anti-immigration but not anti-immigration enough and will probably elect a new Leader who is pro-immigration and will work to pass an immigration bill.

Do I have that about right?

No, more like “The Majority Leader tried talking out of both sides of his mouth on immigration. The GOP base in his district found out about it and They Were not Amused. He tried to salvage things with vitriolic attack ads, but they just made his opponent more believable as a candidate and made Eric Cantor look desperate.”

Or in short form: “Regarding Eric Cantor’s attempt at ‘Funning the Bozo’: YOU DID IT WRONG!!”

39 thedopefishlives  Jun 12, 2014 6:04:16pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

The green?

The blue, actually.

40 Bulworth  Jun 12, 2014 6:04:32pm

re: #6 Gus

Why has Obama refused to support an Iraq policy that was destined to fail and promoted by zealots in the first place? //

Because he hates Amercia and he isn’t even American. /////

41 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2014 6:04:55pm

Here’s a video of Martin De Pasquale showing the entire creation of one of his Photoshop pieces (speeded up). This guy can work a ‘shop.

Youtube Video

42 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2014 6:05:15pm

Later, lizards.

43 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 6:05:23pm

re: #37 thedopefishlives

Did somebody say FIESTAWARE?! Bonus points* if you have the original radium orange!

* = bonus negative points to your life expectancy…

Don’t have any, but collectors item for sure.

44 thedopefishlives  Jun 12, 2014 6:05:54pm

re: #43 Stanley Sea

Don’t have any, but collectors item for sure.

My sister has - or at least had - one of the modern remakes of Fiestaware. She’s a bit of an odd duck.

45 Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2014 6:06:30pm

re: #27 piratedan

there is only Zuul…

“Choose, choose the form of the Destructor and perish!”

46 Skip Intro  Jun 12, 2014 6:06:33pm

In news nobody cares about, Orly Taitz received four times as many votes for CA AG than Eric Cantor did for Congress.

47 prairiefire  Jun 12, 2014 6:06:35pm

re: #29 klys

I love the stuff. When my parents finally replaced the ones we had growing up with a new set, I got the old ones and they are our camping plates in the trailer. Pretty near impossible to break.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe if I get new ones at some point I’ll go fancy and get the squares.

I really like the square ones. They are hard to break, tempered glass and all. I don’t think you are supposed to re-cycle them.

48 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 6:06:37pm

re: #44 thedopefishlives

My sister has - or at least had - one of the modern remakes of Fiestaware. She’s a bit of an odd duck.

Oh they are in Kohls. Real Fiesta ware. Just brand new.

49 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 12, 2014 6:06:42pm

re: #16 klys

Pork browned and now in the oven to cook until it falls apart.

Eyes burned again, round 2. Potent chipotles.

Just curious, are you using a pork shoulder?

RBS

50 klys  Jun 12, 2014 6:07:34pm

re: #49 RealityBasedSteve

Just curious, are you using a pork shoulder?

RBS

Yes. Boneless.

51 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2014 6:08:19pm

Amazon’s new Prime Music streaming service rocks, by the way.

52 klys  Jun 12, 2014 6:08:24pm

re: #47 prairiefire

I really like the square ones. They are hard to break, tempered glass and all. I don’t think you are supposed to re-cycle them.

If/when I finally replace the current set, I’ll just pass them along to someone starting out who could use them.

53 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 6:08:44pm
54 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 6:08:45pm

OK, 2 weeks behind on Fargo. Waiting for my friend.

He’s missing it, cause I’m watching. CANT TAKE IT ANY MORE.

bbl

55 Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2014 6:10:30pm

Polls on left and right agree: Eric Cantor didn’t lose on immigration

A new conservative-sponsored poll mirrors a liberal counterpart and throws more water on notions that the battle over immigration led to the downfall of Majority Leader Eric Cantor.

Only 22 percent of Virginia residents who voted for Cantor’s opponent, Dave Brat, cited immigration as the primary reason for their vote, according to the poll. About 77 percent cited other factors, such as the Republican leader’s focus on national politics instead of local issues.

SNIP

The results resemble findings in a poll commissioned by liberal advocacy group Americans United for Change. It noted about 72 percent of registered voters in Cantor’s district support reforms.

Immigration reform has stalled in the House for months, and advocates see this summer as the last chance before fall elections. They’ve never considered Cantor much of an ally, but Brat made immigration a central focus of the race and slammed the Republican leader for agreeing to even piecemeal proposals.

And yet “amnesty” — a term Brat used to decry Cantor’s acceptance of legal status for undocumented residents’ children — polled last of five issues GOP voters considered harmful. Instead, nearly 73 percent of voters supported a proposal that would secure the border, go after employers who hire illegal immigrants and establish a pathway to citizenship after certain requirements are met.

56 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 6:12:33pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

The green?

Do we all have Corelle? Yes, it’s the green. : )

Thing is, the blue cornflower stuff I have doesn’t quite match…several casseroles, even a percolator. I look for moar…

57 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 12, 2014 6:12:41pm

re: #50 klys

Yes. Boneless.

I like cooking with shoulder. (butt). It’s got so much fat laced through it that it’s almost impossible to make it go bad. I’ve done it in brazes (Chili verdi), slow roasted it slathered with minced onion and oregano, smoked it low and slow with just a simple rub.

Good Stuff.

RBS

58 piratedan  Jun 12, 2014 6:12:52pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

maybe he simply lost because he may have provided pisspoor constituent services and placed his career ahead of the folks he represented. Some times the perception becomes the reality.

59 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 6:13:42pm

This Week’s Pie: Chocolate Pecan.

60 klys  Jun 12, 2014 6:14:11pm

re: #57 RealityBasedSteve

I like cooking with shoulder. (butt). It’s got so much fat laced through it that it’s almost impossible to make it go bad. I’ve done it in brazes (Chili verdi), slow roasted it slathered with minced onion and oregano, smoked it low and slow with just a simple rub.

Good Stuff.

RBS

I’ve done this recipe once before and it was wooooooooooooonderful. Tonight it will be with mini-street tacos and some cabbage slaw, pico de gallo, and cheese. Tomorrow leftovers will be with rice and a black bean and corn salsa.

61 calochortus  Jun 12, 2014 6:14:56pm

re: #31 klys

Do be aware that the Corelle that is made now is not the same quality as when Corning made it. It is now owned by “World Kitchen” as are Ekco, Revereware, Pyrex bakeware, and other formerly respectable brands. Their plan is to make what they can from the brand’s name recognition and move on.
My brother had 2 or 3 Corelle bowls’ bottoms separate from the sides in the dishwasher. I’ve read reports of Reverware saucepans so thin that you could feel the stamped name on the bottom when you ran your finger along the inside of the pot. Pyrex brand is no longer borosilicate glass-it’s just heavyweight glass and can fail in a very spectacular fashion with changes in temperature. (The manufacturer disputes that the pans “explode” because technically they don’t do that. They just spontaneously shatter and throw glass shards all over the kitchen.)

62 thedopefishlives  Jun 12, 2014 6:15:14pm

re: #60 klys

I’ve done this recipe once before and it was wooooooooooooonderful. Tonight it will be with mini-street tacos and some cabbage slaw, pico de gallo, and cheese. Tomorrow leftovers will be with rice and a black bean and corn salsa.

We do a pork loin in the Crockpot with Dr. Pepper (or root beer, depending on what flavor profile we feel like). Tastes like yum.

63 dog philosopher  Jun 12, 2014 6:15:15pm

i’m beginning to warm to brat’s anti chamber of commerce rhetoric

waiting to see if he runs with wall st vs main st and if so how that might play with the wingnuts

64 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 6:15:38pm

Zedushka found half a brisket in the freezer, I think it’s from Passover.

I’ll do a beer marinade and then we’ll grill it.

65 prairiefire  Jun 12, 2014 6:15:59pm

re: #54 Stanley Sea

OK, 2 weeks behind on Fargo. Waiting for my friend.

He’s missing it, cause I’m watching. CANT TAKE IT ANY MORE.

bbl

Oh my dog, Stanley, catch up!!!!!!

66 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 6:16:02pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

Polls on left and right agree: Eric Cantor didn’t lose on immigration

SNIP

Right.

We cannot allow our Party to go down this dangerous road!

My opponent in this race has been described as “relentless” in his pursuit of amnesty, and we cannot send Eric Cantor to Washington to once again partner with Barack Obama and Harry Reid to lead the charge on this issue.

During the critical government shutdown, Eric Cantor was holding meetings to establish a roadmap to amnesty. At a time of serious financial crisis, our Majority Leader was more focused on making sure that those who entered our nation illegally would be given a path to citizenship than on reducing our growing debt or making sure we are doing everything we can to put Americans back to work. His efforts have culminated in this summit today.

As your congressman, you can count on me to be a stark departure from our current representation. Whereas Eric Cantor has been an Obama ally and amnesty’s staunchest proponent, I will be a forceful voice against such efforts and among the strongest opponents to this liberal pet policy…

— Dave Brat

67 dog philosopher  Jun 12, 2014 6:16:07pm

re: #59 Pie-onist Overlord

This Week’s Pie: Chocolate Pecan.

[Embedded image]

dusting the pecan flowers with pollen from the chocolate flowers is the tricky part

68 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2014 6:17:03pm

re: #63 dog philosopher

i’m beginning to warm to brat’s anti chamber of commerce rhetoric

waiting to see if he runs with wall st vs main st and if so how that might play with the wingnuts

That will be interesting to see if it happens. It is foolish of the Democrats to leave a live issue like financial reform lying around like this.

69 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 6:17:33pm

That’s the only mention of “path to citizenship” in Brat’s website BTW. Please, tell me more.

70 prairiefire  Jun 12, 2014 6:17:34pm

re: #61 calochortus

That’s a damn shame! The Revere ware pots sell fast at estate sales.

71 klys  Jun 12, 2014 6:17:39pm

re: #61 calochortus

Oh, I know. I’ve been careful on the Pyrex.

The stuff we got as wedding gifts (Corelle) has held up well so far though.

72 Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2014 6:17:48pm

re: #58 piratedan

maybe he simply lost because he may have provided pisspoor constituent services and placed his career ahead of the folks he represented. Some times the perception becomes the reality.

That’s a good bit of why he lost.

73 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 6:17:53pm

Please. Tell me more.

“I think that the working definition (of amnesty) out there is the pathway to legalization and citizenship,” Brat told MSNBC’s Chuck Todd on Tuesday hours before his upset. “In that instance, Eric Cantor is the author of House’s principles which allows for 6.5 million illegals to become legal and gain a pathway to citizenship.”

“Eric of course in the primary for the last two weeks says that he’s against all of this, and he’s even against all of his own bills that he’s written,” he added. “But I think the voters know and we’re having overwhelming success here today.”

74 teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2014 6:18:22pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

So what is Obama supposed to being in that hallucinatory bit? Options:

A. Sauron

B. Lord Voldemort

C. Darth Vader

D. [the n-word]

E. The Anti-Christ

F. All of the above

G. Rand Paul

Ah, Dark, this made me laugh! Couldn’t have asked for a better thread to happen in (what did Charles call it? Chucklography?).

75 Bear  Jun 12, 2014 6:18:52pm

re: #59 Pie-onist Overlord

Don”t believe I have ever had that. So please send a sample.

76 steve_davis  Jun 12, 2014 6:18:52pm

re: #16 klys

Pork browned and now in the oven to cook until it falls apart.

Eyes burned again, round 2. Potent chipotles.

Having fun here with new kitchen gadgets. Today, a buttermilk bread recipe done in the Emile Henry flametop, and then waffles made in the Nordic belgian-waffle iron. Tomorrow, maybe a chicken roasted in the Romertopf, depending on when UPS gets the thing to me. The only thing I haven’t played with yet is the Cuisinart hand-blender, but I’m sure I’ll make soup at some point that will be better with a little pureeing.

77 klys  Jun 12, 2014 6:19:03pm

re: #71 klys

These days I spend a lot of time looking at Amazon reviews before I buy things.

Even if I don’t buy them from Amazon.

78 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 6:19:17pm
79 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 6:19:33pm
80 klys  Jun 12, 2014 6:19:41pm

re: #76 steve_davis

Having fun here with new kitchen gadgets. Today, a buttermilk bread recipe done in the Emile Henry flametop, and then waffles made in the Nordic belgian-waffle iron. Tomorrow, maybe a chicken roasted in the Romertopf, depending on when UPS gets the thing to me. The only thing I haven’t played with yet is the Cuisinart hand-blender, but I’m sure I’ll make soup at some point that will be better with a little pureeing.

I inherited my grandmother’s immersion blender.

On this list of kitchen gadgets I didn’t realize I need and are totally worth the space, it is RIGHT THERE.

81 thedopefishlives  Jun 12, 2014 6:20:00pm

re: #71 klys

Oh, I know. I’ve been careful on the Pyrex.

The stuff we got as wedding gifts (Corelle) has held up well so far though.

That’s why I’m glad we got some antique stuff. It’s been dropped, smacked, nuked, baked, refrigerated, and God only knows what else, and it’s still around. The only piece I ever did break fell off the top of my car with a load of hot food and landed on the concrete floor of the garage. (I was trying to open the door to the house after grilling and sat the plate in the wrong spot.)

82 Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2014 6:20:19pm

re: #66 Gus

Right.

Just because Brat hammered one theme, doesn’t mean that theme was why voters cast their ballots for him.

83 calochortus  Jun 12, 2014 6:20:22pm

re: #70 prairiefire

That’s a damn shame! The Revere ware pots sell fast at estate sales.

I’m still using mine. Mom’s went to the kids. As did her blue “snowflake” Corelle and my Strawberry pattern Corelle.
Years ago I lived near a Villeroy and Boch outlet store where they actually sold seconds for half price and I have a lovely selection of “Manoir” for everyday use.

84 prairiefire  Jun 12, 2014 6:20:23pm

re: #56 Justanotherhuman

Do we all have Corelle? Yes, it’s the green. : )

Thing is, the blue cornflower stuff I have doesn’t quite match…several casseroles, even a percolator. I look for moar…

Darling, you should see my white blue cornflower large buffet serving dish with metal rack to put the sterno underneath. I got it when my mom in law moved. For those lavish buffet dinner parties we have./

86 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 6:20:51pm

re: #61 calochortus

Do be aware that the Corelle that is made now is not the same quality as when Corning made it. It is now owned by “World Kitchen” as are Ekco, Revereware, Pyrex bakeware, and other formerly respectable brands. Their plan is to make what they can from the brand’s name recognition and move on.
My brother had 2 or 3 Corelle bowls’ bottoms separate from the sides in the dishwasher. I’ve read reports of Reverware saucepans so thin that you could feel the stamped name on the bottom when you ran your finger along the inside of the pot. Pyrex brand is no longer borosilicate glass-it’s just heavyweight glass and can fail in a very spectacular fashion with changes in temperature. (The manufacturer disputes that the pans “explode” because technically they don’t do that. They just spontaneously shatter and throw glass shards all over the kitchen.)

All my stuff is old, like me.

I did have a Pyrex round casserole dish break in half in the oven once, but that was 20 yrs ago. My Corning Wear is probably at least 40 yrs old. Don’t know how old the Corelle is because it was given to me (not new, though).

87 dog philosopher  Jun 12, 2014 6:21:05pm

cantor loss means:

1) immigration reform is a highly volatile issue that was extremely important to his constituents

2) cantor was corrupted by 14 years in washington and completely lost touch with his constituents

3) the gop leadership has had a giant hole shot through it by people who are supposed to be its allies and they are running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to figure out what it means

88 calochortus  Jun 12, 2014 6:21:10pm

re: #71 klys

Oh, I know. I’ve been careful on the Pyrex.

The stuff we got as wedding gifts (Corelle) has held up well so far though.

Glad to hear it. My brother’s experience may have been an unfortunate coincidence.

89 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 6:21:17pm

re: #76 steve_davis

Having fun here with new kitchen gadgets. Today, a buttermilk bread recipe done in the Emile Henry flametop, and then waffles made in the Nordic belgian-waffle iron. Tomorrow, maybe a chicken roasted in the Romertopf, depending on when UPS gets the thing to me. The only thing I haven’t played with yet is the Cuisinart hand-blender, but I’m sure I’ll make soup at some point that will be better with a little pureeing.

We’ve used the Nordic iron for about 30 yrs. It’s one of those peak devices that can’t be improved. Love that we can use it just as well camping.

90 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 12, 2014 6:21:34pm

re: #16 klys

Pork browned and now in the oven to cook until it falls apart.

Eyes burned again, round 2. Potent chipotles.

LWC is making chicken cordon bleu for dinner. Oh man that smells good…

91 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 12, 2014 6:22:08pm

re: #70 prairiefire

That’s a damn shame! The Revere ware pots sell fast at estate sales.

My dad, who’s in his mid 80s has the original revere ware copper bottom pots and pans from when he and my mom got married. They still look great.

RBS

92 calochortus  Jun 12, 2014 6:22:40pm

re: #86 Justanotherhuman

Much of my stuff is old like me, too.

93 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 6:22:50pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

Just because Brat hammered one theme, doesn’t mean that theme was why voters cast their ballots for him.

According to #55 then the people of VA07 voted for Brat who appears to even oppose a pathway to citizenship yet they themselves support it. So basically they just voted for him because they didn’t like Cantor and once again, as most Republicans love to do, against their own interests.

94 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2014 6:22:55pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

Just because Brat hammered one theme, doesn’t mean that theme was why voters cast their ballots for him.

On the other hand, polling about immigration issues could well suffer from a ‘shy Tory’ effect, where people who are in a lather about this issue tend to hide it from public view.

95 thedopefishlives  Jun 12, 2014 6:23:02pm

re: #90 Rightwingconspirator

LWC is making chicken cordon bleu for dinner. Oh man that smells good…

Mrs. Fish adamantly refuses to acknowledge that she can cook well, but she did bacon and cheese stuffed chicken breasts the other night. It’s not how complicated the recipes are, it’s how they taste when they come out.

96 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2014 6:24:26pm

re: #93 Gus

According to #55 then the people of VA07 voted for Brat who appears to even oppose a pathway to citizenship yet they themselves support it. So basically they just voted for him because they didn’t like Cantor and once again, as most Republicans love to do, against their own interests.

I think the most plausible reason for Cantor’s loss is that he was a jackass and was actually seen as such by his constituents. Same basic reason that Gray Davis was ousted from CA GOV some time ago.

97 Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2014 6:24:45pm

re: #73 Gus

“Eric of course in the primary for the last two weeks says that he’s against all of this, and he’s even against all of his own bills that he’s written,” he added. “But I think the voters know and we’re having overwhelming success here today.”

And it’s right on the bolded part that Brat highlights what won him the primary: The voters thought Eric Cantor was lying to them and they decided to vote him out for his duplicity. Seen that way, one could almost see Cantor’s removal as an act of political hygiene. Unfortunately, Dave Brat is too nutty for that to be the case.

98 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 6:25:00pm

When I first got married this was the entire choice of Corelle that was available:

I had a set of the yellow and a set of the green. I hated it.

99 klys  Jun 12, 2014 6:25:12pm

re: #91 RealityBasedSteve

My dad, who’s in his mid 80s has the original revere ware copper bottom pots and pans from when he and my mom got married. They still look great.

RBS

When I got into cooking a few years back, we watched the sales and managed to snag one of the nice Cuisinart stainless steel clad sets for under $200. I take good care of those.

He turned the small frying pan black. GRUMBLE. I haven’t tried the oven cleaner yet but that’s probably the next step. I’ve put in a lot of elbow grease with the Barkeep’s Friend.

Between those and my enamel-coated Dutch ovens (Lodge) I am a happy person.

100 calochortus  Jun 12, 2014 6:25:16pm

re: #76 steve_davis

Those hand blenders are a really, really great invention. I love mine.

101 klys  Jun 12, 2014 6:25:31pm

re: #95 thedopefishlives

Mrs. Fish adamantly refuses to acknowledge that she can cook well, but she did bacon and cheese stuffed chicken breasts the other night. It’s not how complicated the recipes are, it’s how they taste when they come out.

Ooo, that sounds good.

Get the recipe for me.

102 thedopefishlives  Jun 12, 2014 6:25:32pm

re: #98 Pie-onist Overlord

When I first got married this was the entire choice of Corelle that was available:
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I had a set of the yellow and a set of the green. I hated it.

Ours is the bottom-most pattern. We do have some of the brown (second from top), I believe that was from my grandmother.

103 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 6:25:39pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

“Eric of course in the primary for the last two weeks says that he’s against all of this, and he’s even against all of his own bills that he’s written,” he added. “But I think the voters know and we’re having overwhelming success here today.”

And it’s right on the bolded part that Brat highlights what won him the primary: The voters thought Eric Cantor was lying to them and they decided to vote him out for his duplicity. Seen that way, one could almost see Cantor’s removal as an act of political hygiene. Unfortunately, Dave Brat is too nutty for that to be the case.

Doesn’t matter at this point. Fact remains. Cantor might have been a douche but Brat is more of a fringe Republican than Cantor.

104 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 6:26:35pm

Does anyone remember melamine or Melmac? Holy crap, I got a set of that when I was first married. Everybody was using it back then in the ’50s.

105 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 6:26:44pm

Then I got this set in the ‘90’s:

106 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 12, 2014 6:26:56pm

re: #95 thedopefishlives

Mrs. Fish adamantly refuses to acknowledge that she can cook well, but she did bacon and cheese stuffed chicken breasts the other night. It’s not how complicated the recipes are, it’s how they taste when they come out.

exactly. One of my very favorite things is linguine with clams. the sauce is just olive oil, garlic, green onion, clams and clam juice and some oregano and basil. Very simple, but done right,oh, it’s like a party in your mouth.

RBS

107 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2014 6:28:08pm

re: #99 klys

..snip
He turned the small frying pan black. GRUMBLE. I haven’t tried the oven cleaner yet but that’s probably the next step. I’ve put in a lot of elbow grease with the Barkeep’s Friend.

If all else fails, try taking off all the bakelite, etc parts and put it in the electric oven during a self-cleaning cycle. Might warp, might come clean.

108 thedopefishlives  Jun 12, 2014 6:28:10pm

re: #101 klys

Ooo, that sounds good.

Get the recipe for me.

Take boneless skinless chicken breasts, pound them out to about 1/4 inch thick (It’s okay if they fall apart a little bit.). Fill them with whatever you want - seasonings, a little butter, vegetables, cheese, bacon, etc. Roll them up, season them, put them in a baking pan with foil, bake at 350 degrees for 40 minutes.

109 calochortus  Jun 12, 2014 6:28:16pm

re: #99 klys

When I got into cooking a few years back, we watched the sales and managed to snag one of the nice Cuisinart stainless steel clad sets for under $200. I take good care of those.

He turned the small frying pan black. GRUMBLE. I haven’t tried the oven cleaner yet but that’s probably the next step. I’ve put in a lot of elbow grease with the Barkeep’s Friend.

Between those and my enamel-coated Dutch ovens (Lodge) I am a happy person.

Try Dawn Power Dissolver. Available at some hardware stores in the housewares section. Might work, might not.

I love cast iron, but don’t bother with the enameled stuff.

And speaking of dinner, my hubby just announced dinner is ready.

110 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 6:29:00pm

Then when my kids were all grown up I said why do I need this? I will get nice china and enjoy it!
So I got this:

And also this:

111 ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2014 6:29:58pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Notice that when you reply to a comment now, the number of the comment you’re replying to shows up as a button, to oh-so-gently remind you that you can click it to see the full comment in a popup.

Nice feature and will be very handy. Thanks.

112 klys  Jun 12, 2014 6:30:09pm

re: #109 calochortus

Try Dawn Power Dissolver. Available at some hardware stores in the housewares section. Might work, might not.

I love cast iron, but don’t bother with the enameled stuff.

And speaking of dinner, my hubby just announced dinner is ready.

I am fond of how easy to clean the enameled is.

Incredibly easy to clean.

Easiest dish to clean ever.

113 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 12, 2014 6:30:12pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

Just because Brat hammered one theme, doesn’t mean that theme was why voters cast their ballots for him.

It does mean they knew that’s what they were casting their ballots for. They knew where he stood on that issue and they elected him with it.

114 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2014 6:30:16pm
115 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 6:31:32pm

re: #60 klys

(You are a very cute newlywed)

116 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2014 6:31:34pm

The Republican Party is reportedly putting their agenda on hold until they can analyze what happened in Virginia.

Buh-bye rebranding, hello xenophobia and Christianism.

117 prairiefire  Jun 12, 2014 6:32:17pm

re: #104 Justanotherhuman

Does anyone remember melamine or Melmac? Holy crap, I got a set of that when I was first married. Everybody was using it back then in the ’50s.

We’ve got the square shaped pink and green from me grand mum.

118 Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2014 6:32:18pm

re: #103 Gus

Doesn’t matter at this point. Fact remains. Cantor might have been a douche but Brat is more of a fringe Republican than Cantor.

Well, if you don’t want Brat in Congress there is something you can do about it: His opponent, Jack Trammell, has had his website updated by the DNC to accept online donations. The site is here. Those who oppose Brat should feel free to donate.

BBL

119 teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2014 6:33:44pm

The Onion’s new website clickhole.com is turning out to be a pretty damn funny parody of Buzzfeed.

120 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 6:36:50pm

Amusing to see the same warbloggers with their same useless and wrong rhetoric again.

We won’t be fooled again.

121 teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2014 6:37:11pm
122 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 6:37:42pm

re: #117 prairiefire

We’ve got the square shaped pink and green from me grand mum.

I really hated that stuff. : )

123 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 6:37:56pm

Are you ready for the new Caliphate?
By Rick Moran

No link.

Ah. Just like old times. Derp.

124 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 6:39:28pm

Hahahaha…

Sources say that Rep. Pete Sessions, R-Texas, was asked to bow out of leadership race. Texas delegation worried in meeting today they could be on wrong side if Rep. Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., won - @ChadPergram

125 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 6:39:37pm
126 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 6:39:55pm

re: #83 calochortus

I’m still using mine. Mom’s went to the kids. As did her blue “snowflake” Corelle and my Strawberry pattern Corelle.
Years ago I lived near a Villeroy and Boch outlet store where they actually sold seconds for half price and I have a lovely selection of “Manoir” for everyday use.

I’m on pause with Fargo, cause kitchen is my 2nd love. When I was relatively wealthy and married, we went to Carmel. There was a Villeroy and Boch store. I bought so much. I display this pattern (never bought the whole serving set)

amazon.com

127 klys  Jun 12, 2014 6:39:56pm

re: #115 Stanley Sea

(You are a very cute newlywed)

Three and a half years of it, and I hope to still be newlywed when we’ve been together for 50.

128 Bear  Jun 12, 2014 6:41:09pm

Want to thank all of you posting about Corelle and Pyrex. I have some of them but do not think a set. I am starting to clear out the place and would just have probably junked them. Now I will not do that. So thanks for alerting me that there may be some value in them.

129 teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2014 6:43:00pm

Here’s 10 Hilarious Chairs That Think They’re People!

clickhole.com

130 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 6:43:08pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

Well, if you don’t want Brat in Congress there is something you can do about it: His opponent, Jack Trammell, has had his website updated by the DNC to accept online donations. The site is here. Those who oppose Brat should feel free to donate.

BBL

OK. Welp. I remember back when I first joined LGF I was still a moderate Republican of sorts. I offered suggestions **to the group** at times and all I got was insults flinged my way and the usual amount of passive-aggressive derp thrown my way. Not my problem anymore. The GOP has embraced the crazy and ignored people like me. I’m done with them.

131 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 6:43:43pm

re: #127 klys

Three and a half years of it, and I hope to still be newlywed when we’ve been together for 50.

Even better. :)

132 freetoken  Jun 12, 2014 6:44:44pm

re: #130 Gus

I was always a commie at heart.

133 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2014 6:45:33pm

re: #123 Gus

Are you ready for the new Caliphate?
By Rick Moran

No link.

Ah. Just like old times. Derp.

Terry Moran’s brother. Has to be American Stinker.

134 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 6:46:10pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

Terry Moran’s brother. Has to be American Stinker.

Yep.

135 ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2014 6:46:34pm

re: #42 wrenchwench

[Embedded image]

HAM SANDWICH

Later, lizards.

Surely this must be against all of Nature’s laws and is an indication that we are on the road to Gomorrah!

Meow…oink…meow. It’s just…wrong.

136 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2014 6:46:48pm

re: #128 Bear

Want to thank all of you posting about Corelle and Pyrex. I have some of them but do not think a set. I am starting to clear out the place and would just have probably junked them. Now I will not do that. So thanks for alerting me that there may be some value in them.

Incredible what they’re asking for some of this. I have tons of it and use it.

ebay.com

137 ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2014 6:50:46pm

re: #59 Pie-onist Overlord

This Week’s Pie: Chocolate Pecan.

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Now that looks rich. Is it by any chance a bit less sweet than a normal pecan pie?

138 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 6:54:07pm

Apparently ISIS/ISIL is calling it a Caliphate. To wingnuts that means global Caliphate coming soon to kill all Americans within the next week.

139 ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2014 6:55:50pm

re: #130 Gus

OK. Welp. I remember back when I first joined LGF I was still a moderate Republican of sorts. I offered suggestions **to the group** at times and all I got was insults flinged my way and the usual amount of passive-aggressive derp thrown my way. Not my problem anymore. The GOP has embraced the crazy and ignored people like me. I’m done with them.

Upthread you mentioned…Won’t get fooled again.

Can I say this time its…I’m Free!

And freedom tastes of reality.

140 Romantic Heretic  Jun 12, 2014 7:00:21pm

On the original topic.

When I was writing my first vampire story I had to think about some way to differentiate my vampires from all the others out there.

Eventually I decided they can’t laugh or cry. Both of those things are basic to life and vampires are, well, dead. They don’t sweat or excrete anything either.

None of their, ahem, equipment works either. It’s a challenge writing erotic scenes with that limitation.

141 thedopefishlives  Jun 12, 2014 7:01:46pm

re: #130 Gus

OK. Welp. I remember back when I first joined LGF I was still a moderate Republican of sorts. I offered suggestions **to the group** at times and all I got was insult flinged my way and the usual amount of passive-aggressive derp thrown my way. Not my problem anymore. The GOP has embraced the crazy and ignored people like me. I’m done with them.

I was a conservative Republican when I joined. Can you imagine how well that would be going over right about now? I’m glad I broke with my past.

142 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2014 7:02:20pm

143 BongCrodny  Jun 12, 2014 7:03:00pm

I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry…

So I’m walking back from 7-11 tonight, and this kid who’s working his Iphone stops me.

“Excuse me,” he says. “How do you spell GONA?”

I was just getting ready to tell him that I didn’t think that GONA was a word, when he clarified himself:

“You know, like ‘how long you GONA be?’”

144 bratwurst  Jun 12, 2014 7:04:23pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Every time I see their masthead I always wonder why they want to portray Uncle Sam sitting on the toilet.

145 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 7:04:59pm

Green zone going down. Developing.

146 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 7:05:26pm
147 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 7:07:25pm

No word yet. Flaky reporting.

148 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 12, 2014 7:09:18pm

re: #135 ObserverArt

Surely this must be against all of Nature’s laws and is an indication that we are on the road to Gomorrah!

Meow…oink…meow. It’s just…wrong.

That had Bing Crosby and Bob Hope didn’t it?

RBS

149 sagehen  Jun 12, 2014 7:09:23pm

re: #98 Pie-onist Overlord

When I first got married this was the entire choice of Corelle that was available:
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I had a set of the yellow and a set of the green. I hated it.

That second from the top, the brown flowers… my mom bought me that for a housewarming present 30 years ago. I still use it (except the one that broke a few years ago).

150 Romantic Heretic  Jun 12, 2014 7:09:42pm

re: #87 dog philosopher

cantor loss means:

1) immigration reform is a highly volatile issue that was extremely important to his constituents

2) cantor was corrupted by 14 years in washington and completely lost touch with his constituents

3) the gop leadership has had a giant hole shot through it by people who are supposed to be its allies and they are running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to figure out what it means

What it means is that fanatics are very difficult to use as political tools. Sooner or later they catch on, and get pissed. Or they start ‘purifying’ unbelievers and heretics, which always includes the people who thought the fanatics would be useful idiots.

151 Kid A  Jun 12, 2014 7:10:44pm

Operation Iraqi Freedom!!!

152 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 7:12:27pm

re: #141 thedopefishlives

I was a conservative Republican when I joined. Can you imagine how well that would be going over right about now? I’m glad I broke with my past.

I came here because it was recommended at Free Republic! Yes I used to be a FReeper.

We parted of the ways.

153 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 12, 2014 7:13:32pm

BTW the 10th Anniversary of original registration is coming up. What are the plans for the festivities?

THERE WILL BE PIE!

154 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2014 7:13:40pm

And as always…

155 SteveMcGazi  Jun 12, 2014 7:13:53pm

Anybody still watching the NBA Finals? The Spurs are taking the Heat apart.

156 thedopefishlives  Jun 12, 2014 7:13:56pm

re: #153 Pie-onist Overlord

BTW the 10th Anniversary of original registration is coming up. What are the plans for the festivities?

THERE WILL BE PIE!

I don’t want to be a pie!

157 Kid A  Jun 12, 2014 7:14:50pm

re: #155 SteveMcGazi

That dunk by Leonard a second ago was something fierce.

158 gwangung  Jun 12, 2014 7:15:35pm

OT:

vice.com

Um. Wow. Asian Republican Coalition. With a nearly all Caucasian leadership: “”The Asian Republican Coalition is open to all Americans, including Asian Americans and those of us like me who are not ethnically Asian but have spent twenty years living in Hong Kong.”

My Asian American sketch comedy group has its work cut out for ourselves to compete with reality….

159 dog philosopher  Jun 12, 2014 7:15:43pm

re: #143 BongCrodny

I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry…

So I’m walking back from 7-11 tonight, and this kid who’s working his Iphone stops me.

“Excuse me,” he says. “How do you spell GONA?”

I was just getting ready to tell him that I didn’t think that GONA was a word, when he clarified himself:

“You know, like ‘how long you GONA be?’”

“A B C D E F G

H I J K ELLA MENNA P”

i’m not making this up

160 Kid A  Jun 12, 2014 7:16:02pm

I mentioned downstairs that if there is a YaYa in the sky, W is going to have a lot to answer for. Then I forgot that God told W to invade Iraq.

161 thedopefishlives  Jun 12, 2014 7:17:59pm

re: #152 Pie-onist Overlord

I came here because it was recommended at Free Republic! Yes I used to be a FReeper.

We parted of the ways.

I came here from, of all places, The Jawa Report and Ace of Spades. Ace of Spades’s history with Charles is well-known; but it was when TJR published a “come to Jesus” piece about him, when he was having his public break with Geller and Spencer, that kind of woke me up to the changes going on in the blogosphere. I made an important choice that day.

162 SteveMcGazi  Jun 12, 2014 7:18:18pm

re: #157 Kid A

That dunk by Leonard a second ago was something fierce.

I’m kind of following it online, but on the NBA twitter there is a picture of that. First of all, I’m impressed by that leap, but second of all there are actually three Spurs with position on that play.

163 Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2014 7:18:19pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Some absolutely freaking amazing Photoshop work: Martín De Pasquale on Behance.

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Direwolves in the South? Winter is coming!

164 dog philosopher  Jun 12, 2014 7:18:29pm

re: #160 Kid A

I mentioned downstairs that if there is a YaYa in the sky, W is going to have a lot to answer for. Then I forgot that God told W to invade Iraq.

it was loki

he’s a god, innit he?

165 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 7:18:58pm

This should go over well:

The open carry movement wants to rewrite history. One of its claims is that the government can’t restrict Second Amendment rights in any way — that anyone should have the right to own and carry any weapon, anywhere, anytime. Many of these activists believe there should be no background checks, no training requirements, no licensing and no “gun-free zones” (schools and government buildings).

Let’s be frank: These notions are radical, idiotic and go far beyond even the broadest interpretation of gun rights in the U.S.

I can’t wait to see the herpty derp in response.

166 Romantic Heretic  Jun 12, 2014 7:21:12pm

re: #143 BongCrodny

I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry…

So I’m walking back from 7-11 tonight, and this kid who’s working his Iphone stops me.

“Excuse me,” he says. “How do you spell GONA?”

I was just getting ready to tell him that I didn’t think that GONA was a word, when he clarified himself:

“You know, like ‘how long you GONA be?’”

I would have gone all Grammar Nazi on them.

“The actual phrase you wish to use is ‘going to.’ ‘Gonna’ is a bastardization. But if you must use it, two ‘n’s.”

167 dog philosopher  Jun 12, 2014 7:21:37pm

re: #153 Pie-onist Overlord

BTW the 10th Anniversary of original registration is coming up. What are the plans for the festivities?

THERE WILL BE PIE!

the immaculate registration?

168 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 7:24:55pm

re: #152 Pie-onist Overlord

I came here because it was recommended at Free Republic! Yes I used to be a FReeper.

We parted of the ways.

Hilariously, I registered here because I was reminded of Balloon Juice. John Cole had been a RW blogger until the Schiavo fiasco exposed the hard RWNJ type as ghouls. After that he was firmly on the left. I knew about LGF from before, but all I’d ever seen was the Class of 2004 types. I looked again years later and saw the ideological shift that was taking place and I wanted in.

These days, Cole is a total Snowden/Greenwald fanboy and I’ve stopped going there. He went further to the left than me.

169 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 7:25:14pm

re: #165 Lidane

This should go over well:

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I can’t wait to see the herpty derp in response.

I totally expect threats since that’s the gun fucker way of disagreeing.

170 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 12, 2014 7:26:45pm

well gang,

I’ve got to trundle off to bed. 5am comes early in the morning. see ya all later.

171 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 7:27:04pm

False alarm.

172 dog philosopher  Jun 12, 2014 7:27:56pm

re: #166 Romantic Heretic

I would have gone all Grammar Nazi on them.

“The actual phrase you wish to use is ‘going to.’ ‘Gonna’ is a bastardization. But if you must use it, two ‘n’s.”

actually, i welcome it as part of a process typical of all languages. if we deprecate ‘gonna’, we should do the same with ‘it’s’ and ‘I’m”

looking up the history of “i am going to” as a way of saying “i will” or “i shall”, i see that it has been traced as an innovation that only becomes accepted after the elizabethan era, anyway

i think it’s interesting that ‘gonna’ can only be used as a substitute for “going to” in places where it functions as an auxiliiary verb meaning “will” or “about to”: you can say “i’m gonna kill that bastard” but not “i’m gonna the store - want some more md 20/20?”

i also like this new coinage “imma”. this kinda stuff is, like, just the natural evolution of a living thang

173 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 7:28:47pm

Had always heard about LGF in the Bush years but I was told that Charles was really starting to go after the xenophobic neo-fascist and Nazi types that Geller had embraced so I decided okay this is worth a shot. Turns out that not only do we get good discussion here but good music too.

174 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 7:29:07pm
175 dog philosopher  Jun 12, 2014 7:29:57pm

brat may be a wingnut

yes, i think he is a wingnut

but cantor was such an incredibly rancid asshole that, actually, i like brat better

176 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 7:31:40pm
177 Snarknado!  Jun 12, 2014 7:32:26pm

I really have no idea how I got here, but I’m glad I did.

Does the recent election mean we can no longer talk about Brat Puppy?

178 thedopefishlives  Jun 12, 2014 7:33:39pm

re: #177 Snarknado!

I really have no idea how I got here, but I’m glad I did.

Does the recent election mean we can no longer talk about Brat Puppy?

No, just excuse any impulses we might get to kick it.///

179 freetoken  Jun 12, 2014 7:33:54pm

It’s that time in the election cycle again, when state parties get together, have their conventions, and put down on paper what they supposedly believe.

Up to bat now, the Iowa GOP:

Sex, drugs but no rock ‘n roll for GOP

“God” gets higher billing, but no more mention in the Republican Party of Iowa’s proposed platform than “sex.”

The platform, which will be debated by about 2,000 delegates at the GOP’s state convention beginning at 10 a.m. Saturday at Hy-Vee Hall in Des Moines has been trimmed from the 17,534-word document two years ago to just 2,027 words.

That’s likely to be the most dramatic change in the platform, according to Republican Gov. Terry Branstad.

“We know the make-up of the grassroots who really are the ones who are going to write the platform well enough that I don’t expect to see radical changes in the platform,” he said earlier this week.

In trimming the platform, multiple mentions of God were omitted. After years of the party being controlled by the Christian right, the 2012 convention, dominated by libertarian-leaning “Paulistas” — followers of Ron Paul or his son, Rand Paul, or both — reduced the mentions of God to just three.

[…]

There are plenty of religious themed portions, and I think the writer of that article just did a search on “God” and missed the obvious religious right elements.

Nevertheless, plenty of Paulista elements in the new draft.

Found here:

iowagop.org

A few things that stood out to me:

[…]

1.1 Human life is a sacred gift from our Creator and is a fundamental right as outlined in the Declaration of Independence. This right is innately valuable in every stage and development from conception to non-intervened natural death. [all very typical religious right stuff…]

1.2 We oppose the use of public funding for abortion services, contraception, and abortifacients.

1.3 We support an amendment to both the U.S. and the Iowa Constitutions defining and supporting the honored institution of marriage as the legal union between one natural man and one natural woman. [nope, no artificial men nor artificial women to marry!]

[…]

2.2 […] We oppose the recognition of the United Nations Convention on “The Rights of the Child”.

2.3 We believe money should follow the child in education - whether that child attends public, private, or parochial schools - to assist parents financially in educating their children using the option best suited to their family’s educational needs. We call on the General Assembly to provide for tuition vouchers, tax deductions, or tax credits to permit parents’ choice in educating their children — without government intervention in the school curriculum. […]

2.4 We support the abolishment of any federal or state law or regulations - such as Common Core or Iowa Core - that establishes, funds, mandates or controls core standards, curriculum, assessments or tests intended for children from birth to age of majority.

[…]

2.6 We support “Conscience Clause” legislation so that no person, business, or organization can be penalized for its exercise of religious freedom by not providing services that violates their religious beliefs.

[…]

2.9 We support the addition of “stand your ground” and “castle doctrine” provisions to Iowa law, which would strengthen the legal protection of Iowans who find it necessary to use reasonable force to repel a violent attack. We also demand the elimination of “gun free zones”.

2.10 We support legislation that would prohibit any organization, including Planned Parenthood, from teaching sex education in our public schools. These agencies should be prohibited from entering public school properties for the purpose of promoting promiscuous behavior and abortion products, videos, or printed material.

[…]

3.4 We support the repeal of the 16th amendment replacing it with a consumption tax.

3.5 We support the right of property owners to vote on bond issues in any district where they pay property tax whether a resident of the district or not. [The eventual return of voting rights only limited to land owners?]

3.6 We support laws that prohibit ownership of Iowa farm land by foreign governments or entities controlled by such governments.

[…]

4.1 We believe the United States should never sacrifice its sovereignty or relinquish control of its soil to the United Nations or any other international body.

[…]

4.3 We support Israel’s sovereignty in maintaining an undivided Jerusalem and as a critical military ally.

4.4 We oppose the United Nations’ Agenda 21 plan, which restricts or destroys the property rights of Americans under the guise of environmentalist initiatives such as Sustainable Development, Smart Growth, Wildlands Project, The Tomorrow Plan, and others with similarly “Green” sounding names.

4.5 We assert that bequeathing citizenship to babies born to illegal immigrants in the United States is a misinterpretation of the 14th amendment.

4.6 We believe our servicemen should serve only the United States, our Constitution, and the American Flag. We are adamantly opposed to United Nations oversight of our military units, ceding national sovereignty to any foreign body, or to the establishment of a one-world government.

4.7 We believe that only citizens bearing proper photo ID should be allowed to vote, and that proof of citizenship should be required for absentee voting.

[…]

5.2 We oppose the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST) which covers seabed mining, navigation, ocean pollution, marine research and economic zones. LOST violates our sovereignty and endangers our national security and economic interests.

5.3 As an immigrant nation and to strengthen and unite us, we support the adoption of English as the official language of the United States of America.

5.4 We support the construction of the Keystone Pipeline now, giving jobs to thousands of loyal Americans.

5.5 We call for repeal of the unconstitutional Davis-Bacon Act, as well as Sarbanes-Oxley Act, and the Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (Dodd-Frank).

[…]

5.7 We call for legislation that would eliminate all public sector unions.

5.8 We oppose all mandates associated with global warming, or climate control. We reject “Cap and Trade” legislation.

5.9 We demand that all laws restricting the growing of industrial hemp be immediately eliminated.

5.10 We support legalizing cannabis oil for medical use.

5.11 We support a full and exhaustive annual audit of the Federal Reserve’s books until such time as the agency is abolished and a sound commodity-backed currency is adopted.

5.12 We support the definition of manure as a natural fertilizer.

6.1 We support the convening of a Convention of the States according to Article V of the United State Constitution of the purpose of limiting Federal Government.

6.2 We call for the repeal of the 17th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

6.3 We support amending the Iowa Constitution to require a 2/3 vote of both Houses of the Iowa General Assembly to pass any bill that has the effect of raising individual or corporate income taxes or sales tax.

[…]

[…]

So yes, a blend of Paulista/JBS and religious right.

This is the GOP in 2014.

180 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 7:35:17pm

Trying to figure out how ISIS could even physically take Baghdad.

181 Kid A  Jun 12, 2014 7:35:53pm

re: #165 Lidane

He’ll claim “I was taken out of context” within the hour.

182 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 7:35:56pm

re: #179 freetoken

It’s that time in the election cycle again, when state parties get together, have their conventions, and put down on paper what they supposedly believe.

Up to bat now, the Iowa GOP:

Sex, drugs but no rock ‘n roll for GOP

There are plenty of religious themed portions, and I think the writer of that article just did a search on “God” and missed the obvious religious right elements.

Nevertheless, plenty of Paulista elements in the new draft.

Found here:

iowagop.org

A few things that stood out to me:

So yes, a blend of Paulista/JBS and religious right.

This is the GOP in 2014.

So I guess this is the rebranding I heard about.

183 Romantic Heretic  Jun 12, 2014 7:37:21pm

re: #179 freetoken

Oy vey. I’m amazed the computer that was written on didn’t fry its circuits trying to make sense of that.

184 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 7:37:48pm

re: #180 Gus

Trying to figure out how ISIS could even physically take Baghdad.

It’s amazing they’ve taken as much as they have. It’s quite a feat. I wonder if maybe the low estimates of ISIS troop numbers are inaccurate. I’ve been reading about the leader (who’s name I forget), he seems like quite the tactician.

185 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 7:38:25pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

It’s amazing they’ve taken as much as they have. It’s quite a feat. I wonder if maybe the low estimates of ISIS troop numbers are inaccurate. I’ve been reading about the leader (who’s name I forget), he seems like quite the tactician.

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi Bucca

186 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 7:38:51pm

Yes that was a copy and paste. I’m not that smart! //

187 Romantic Heretic  Jun 12, 2014 7:40:26pm

re: #185 Gus

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi Bucca

Maybe that’s why their calling it a ‘Caliphate’. He’s got the same name as the very first Caliph.

188 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 7:40:32pm

re: #179 freetoken

They sound almost reasonable compared to the Texas GOP. This passage made me laugh out loud, though:

We support amending the Iowa Constitution to require a 2/3 vote of both Houses of the Iowa General Assembly to pass any bill that has the effect of raising individual or corporate income taxes or sales tax.

Isn’t that the same shit that has California’s budget in a total shambles? WTF.

189 PhillyPretzel  Jun 12, 2014 7:41:35pm

OT Can anyone suggest an instant mashed potato mix? My favorite, Potato Buds, is only available from amazon. I have looked at a few but I am at a loss for how to judge them by ingredients without tasting them.

190 BongCrodny  Jun 12, 2014 7:43:50pm

re: #175 dog philosopher

brat may be a wingnut

yes, i think he is a wingnut

but cantor was such an incredibly rancid asshole that, actually, i like brat better

I’m not going to go that far.

I’ll volunteer “I despise him less,” but it’s very likely that’s only because I really have no freaking idea who Brat is.

Familiarity breeds disgust. :-)

His campaign manager scrubbed his blog and Facebook account almost immediately after Brat’s victory, which is a big ol’ red alert to me.

About the only thing left on the FB account is a “Like” of the “Boycott A&E until they bring back Phil Robertson” group.

191 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 7:44:46pm

re: #190 BongCrodny

I’m not going to go that far.

I’ll volunteer “I despise him less,” but it’s very likely that’s only because I really have no freaking idea who Brat is.

Familiarity breeds disgust. :-)

His campaign manager scrubbed his blog and Facebook account almost immediately after Brat’s victory, which is a big ol’ red alert to me.

About the only thing left on the FB account is a “Like” of the “Boycott A&E until they bring back Phil Robertson” group.

Just a different flavor of asshole. Asshole tastes nasty no matter what flavor it is.

192 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 7:45:35pm

A decent article on Iran’s strategy
As Sunni Militants Threaten Its Allies in Baghdad, Iran Weighs Options

193 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 7:46:01pm

re: #186 Gus

Yes that was a copy and paste. I’m not that smart! //

I thought you sneezed

194 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 7:48:16pm

re: #189 PhillyPretzel

Back in grad school I would buy Idahoan instant potatoes. They’re pretty good, IMO. They’re still my go to brand in a pinch if I want potatoes but don’t want to go through the whole production of making a huge pot of them myself.

195 PhillyPretzel  Jun 12, 2014 7:50:03pm

re: #194 Lidane

That is what I seem to be leaning toward.

196 ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2014 7:53:52pm

re: #185 Gus

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi Bucca

So, did I hear it correctly…he was once a prisoner and was radicalized into AQ and then later released whereupon he became big in the organization? And I’m guessing the release was under Obama since it seems it was in 2009 as he was granted amnesty during the original reduction of the US in Iraq. I can’t find anything on the timing of all that or if it was already decided before Obama’s Defense Department hires took control. I find it interesting in light of the Bergdahl POW swap for the Taliban guys.

Edit…don’t know if immunity is the right word. Amnesty replaced immunity.

197 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 7:56:44pm

re: #196 ObserverArt

So, did I hear it correctly…he was once a prisoner and was radicalized into AQ and then later released whereupon he became big in the organization? And I’m guessing the release was under Obama since it seems it was in 2009 as he was granted immunity during the original reduction of the US in Iraq. I can’t find anything on the timing of all that or if it was already decided before Obama’s Defense Department hires took control. I find it interesting in light of the Bergdahl POW swap for the Taliban guys.

Different accounts on him.

198 thedopefishlives  Jun 12, 2014 8:00:38pm

Night lizards. Enjoy this night, try not to think too much about the derp and the violence in this crazy world.

199 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 8:02:51pm
200 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2014 8:03:54pm

re: #113 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

It does mean they knew that’s what they were casting their ballots for. They knew where he stood on that issue and they elected him with it.

It also matters that Brat has other equally fucked up official positions, such as supporting a balanced budget amendment. Only a total fucking idiot would think that was a good idea, or buy into the old family checkbook canard. Few things could damage this country as thoroughly as pretending it shouldn’t have borrowing authority.

A huge part of the painfulness of this long, drawn out recovery is due to the fact that Republicans refused to allow Obama to use the governments borrowing power to its fullest potential. The government was in a unique position to capitalize on the depressed costs of labor and materials that followed the 2008 crash, we could have repaired and upgraded a ton of aging infrastructure and put a huge sector of the economy back to work.

Instead the Republicans catered to the Tea Party and their thinly veiled racial animus to a black President, clad in fake financial fears based on a fundamental lie about how budgetary calculus actually works.

201 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2014 8:06:00pm

CLICKHOLE

202 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:08:03pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

CLICKHOLE

Just discovered it today. I like the case for publically executing Ronald McDonald and “Will you have some fries if I order some.”

203 blueraven  Jun 12, 2014 8:08:15pm

Oh man we are getting torrential rain out in the hill country northwest of Austin. High Winds. Tornado warnings, lightning strikes galore.

Wheeee

We used to get these severe weather events every year about this time…from April through June, but since about 2010 (the drought) they have been fairly absent. I forgot how scary they are.

Seems to be lessening a bit now.

204 Amory Blaine  Jun 12, 2014 8:09:16pm

I started guitar lessons today.

205 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:09:44pm

re: #204 Amory Blaine

I started guitar lessons today.

Cool, acoustic or electric?

206 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2014 8:12:17pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

It’s amazing they’ve taken as much as they have. It’s quite a feat. I wonder if maybe the low estimates of ISIS troop numbers are inaccurate. I’ve been reading about the leader (who’s name I forget), he seems like quite the tactician.

A hospital ward full of post op organ transplant recipients might have routed the Iraqi Army just as easily. The stories of how Malaki set things up based purely on sectarian based promotions and appointments helps explain much of the unprofessionalism that’s been witnessed.

When a defender who outnumbers their opponents damned near 40 to 1 flees the battlefield you don’t go looking for the genius in the attacker, you take hard look at the defending force’s experience, structure and morale.

207 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:12:21pm

Re-watching Dumb and Dumber here. Didn’t realize the scene where Carrey rips the chef’s heart out in the dream sequence is a definite reference to Temple of Doom. Can’t wait for the sequel. Loved this movie as a seven year old and I love it 26 going on 27.

208 Amory Blaine  Jun 12, 2014 8:13:27pm

I’m playing my seagull. He’s a young dude, mohawk, soul patch and satanic tattoos.

209 teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2014 8:13:53pm

re: #199 Lidane

210 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:14:23pm

re: #209 teleskiguy

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Wow Ann actually looks happy.

211 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 8:15:54pm

Watching the NBA Finals. I am amused by LeBron sitting on the bench bitching at everyone in his immediate surroundings. He’s pissed. Miami is down 18 in the 4th. And the commentators said that the Heat were arguing during the half because of their shit play tonight.

212 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2014 8:16:11pm

re: #209 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.

213 teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2014 8:16:44pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

CLICKHOLE

214 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:17:05pm

re: #211 Lidane

Watching the NBA Finals. I am amused by LeBron sitting on the bench bitching at everyone in his immediate surroundings. He’s pissed. Miami is down 18 in the 4th. And the commentators said that the Heat were arguing during the half because of their shit play tonight.

I don’t dislike Lebron but i am glad to see San Antonio winning. Class organization in my book.

215 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 8:17:38pm

Just a heads up. I know I was talking loosely earlier. But if the US embassy in Baghdad falls get ready for the shit to hit the fan in DC that’s going to make the Benghazi stuff look like a cakewalk. End alert.

216 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:17:44pm

clickhole.com
I think Click Hole is going to become my new favorite site.

217 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 8:17:56pm

re: #214 HappyWarrior

I don’t dislike Lebron but i am glad to see San Antonio winning. Class organization in my book.

218 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:18:54pm

re: #217 Lidane

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Well that gets at why I like San Antonio. They play team basketball.

219 teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2014 8:21:58pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

clickhole.com
I think Click Hole is going to become my new favorite site.

Man, I was touting ClickHole in Comment #119 in this thread, waaay before it was cool!

/

220 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:22:30pm

re: #219 teleskiguy

Man, I was touting ClickHole in Comment #119 in this tread, waaay before it was cool!

/

Ha! I got you beat. I was looking at this afternoon. Hipster cred.

221 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2014 8:23:08pm

clickhole.com

222 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 8:27:32pm
223 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 8:27:58pm

re: #215 Gus

Just a heads up. I know I was talking loosely earlier. But if the US embassy in Baghdad falls get ready for the shit to hit the fan in DC that’s going to make the Benghazi stuff look like a cakewalk. End alert.

The NYT article I linked to has me thinking. Iranians are saying (at least publically) that they feel confident the Iraqis are going to regroup and retake their territory easily with a little help. Iran can’t afford another failed state on its borders and I don;t think they’re going to let it happen. I think it’s also very important for Iran to have some serious favors owed by Iraq. With the nuclear negotiations coming to a head soon Iran can be well positioned to weather any sanctions and can drive a much better deal at the bargaining table.Obama might actually let Iraq fail but I don’t think Iran will.

224 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 8:28:45pm

re: #211 Lidane

Watching the NBA Finals. I am amused by LeBron sitting on the bench bitching at everyone in his immediate surroundings. He’s pissed. Miami is down 18 in the 4th. And the commentators said that the Heat were arguing during the half because of their shit play tonight.

bad sign

225 Mattand  Jun 12, 2014 8:29:31pm

re: #165 Lidane

This should go over well:

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I can’t wait to see the herpty derp in response.

Part of me admires this guy, a gun owner, standing up and calling open carry what it is: a bad idea promoted by low-IQ frightened little man-childern.

The other part of me looks at him as a concealed weapons guy who “needs” it for self-defense and thinks “Well, guess what, Wyatt Earp? What’d you think the natural progression of concealed carry was going to be?”

It’s no different than all of the allegedly moderate Republicans pointing at the Tea Baggers moaning “They don’t represent me!”, and then voting GOP anyway.

226 Snarknado!  Jun 12, 2014 8:30:23pm

re: #188 Lidane

They sound almost reasonable compared to the Texas GOP. This passage made me laugh out loud, though:

Isn’t that the same shit that has California’s budget in a total shambles? WTF.

Had. It took a couple of tries, but we amended the CA constitution. Now we have a budget surplus and an emergency fund.

227 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 8:32:28pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

The NYT article I linked to has me thinking. Iranians are saying (at least publically) that they feel confident the Iranians are going to regroup and retake their territory easily with a little help. Iran can’t afford another failed state on its borders and I don;t think they’re going to let it happen. I think it’s also very important for Iran to have some serious favors owed by Iraq. With the nuclear negotiations coming to a head soon Iran can be well positioned to weather any sanctions and can drive a much better deal at the bargaining table.Obama might actually let Iraq fail but I don’t think Iran will.

I’m actually thinking a combined US/Iranian operation would be great for relations with Iran. Note, this does not include US boots on the ground.

228 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 8:34:14pm
229 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 8:38:15pm

San Antonio up by 24 with less than two minutes left. Go Spurs!

230 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 8:38:47pm

re: #227 Gus

I’m actually thinking a combined US/Iranian operation would be great for relations with Iran. Note, this does not include US boots on the ground.

Political suicide. Democrats would have to change their name and move to Canada.

231 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 8:39:22pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

Political suicide. Democrats would have to change their name and move to Canada.

What?

232 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 8:41:01pm

Democrats? We would freak about Iran?

What the hell do you post.

Iran is the death knell of the GOP. Not the democrats.

233 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 8:41:47pm

Historically we’ve worked with Iran before.

234 teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2014 8:42:08pm

Oh man, did you see the DC journalist and a parody Twitter account totally pwn Glenn Greenwald?

235 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 8:42:43pm

re: #233 Gus

Historically we’ve worked with Iran before.

WE DIDN’T HAVE A MUSLIM PREZNIT BEFORE! Eleventy!

236 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 8:43:32pm

Coalition of the willing: USA and Iran. Boom! :D

237 klys  Jun 12, 2014 8:45:26pm

Those were spicy chipotles.

238 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 8:47:37pm

re: #231 Stanley Sea

What?

Iranian involvement is a huge complicating factor for Obama. He’s not going to launch a joint military operation with Iran. If Obama does want to use airpower he has to be very careful to not create the impression he’s providing air support for Iranian ground troops.

239 Stanley Sea  Jun 12, 2014 8:47:38pm

poisoned again.

240 blueraven  Jun 12, 2014 8:49:13pm

re: #236 Gus

Coalition of the willing: USA and Iran. Boom! :D

Explodey heads.

241 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 8:50:44pm

re: #232 Stanley Sea

Democrats? We would freak about Iran?

What the hell do you post.

Iran is the death knell of the GOP. Not the democrats.

Wasn’t everybody here claiming the use of military force in Iraq was war mongering? Now it would be OK for Obama to use force to assist Iranian troops? I think you can understand why I think that’s odd. Why is the use of military strength in Iraq suddenly a good idea if we’re using it to help Iranian troops? I don’t get it.

242 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 8:50:44pm

This is what you call wishful thinking. Or total bullshit.

243 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2014 8:51:03pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

Political suicide. Democrats would have to change their name and move to Canada.

Iran is in Iraq now, apparently Quds Force has been invited by Maliki. So our options are to stay out of it entirely and risk Bagdad falling, to coordinate our air assets with Iran if for no other reason than that we don’t bomb them inadvertently and worsen relations with them at a time when our goals are aligned.

If we get involved at all there’s going to be some necessary amount of cooperation at play.

244 Ed E. Lishus  Jun 12, 2014 8:53:07pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

It didn’t hurt the Republicans when Reagan was selling arms to them. Both sides can do it!

245 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 8:53:20pm

re: #236 Gus

Coalition of the willing: USA and Iran. Boom! :D

Then we could invade Israel and Mississippi to spread our joint values!

246 klys  Jun 12, 2014 8:53:45pm

247 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 8:53:45pm

re: #243 goddamnedfrank

If we get involved at all there’s going to be some necessary amount of cooperation at play.

If we get involved at all, I see the US moving to protect its embassy and not much more. My money says they’re going to be careful to focus their operations on American interests and to avoid any overt cooperation with Iran, although there will be some machinations behind the scenes between us and the mullahs.

248 Kragar  Jun 12, 2014 8:54:46pm

re: #233 Gus

Historically we’ve worked with Iran before.

The DEA and their Iranian counterparts have been working together on operations discretely for years now

249 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 8:55:12pm

re: #244 Ed E. Lishus

It didn’t hurt the Republicans when Reagan was selling arms to them. Both sides can do it!

Wow, good luck with that.

250 klys  Jun 12, 2014 8:55:19pm

re: #248 Kragar

The DEA and their Iranian counterparts have been working together on operations discretely for years now

CATS AND DOGS MARRYING THE WORLD IS ENDING SAVE THE TROUT SAVE THE TROUT.

251 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2014 8:56:03pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Wasn’t everybody here claiming the use of military force in Iraq was war mongering? Now it would be OK for Obama to use force to assist Iranian troops? I think you can understand why I think that’s odd. Why is the use of military strength in Iraq suddenly a good idea if we’re using it to help Iranian troops? I don’t get it.

We’d be using military force to help keep Bagdad from falling and push ISIS back out of Mosul and the West.. Since Quds Force has boots on the ground right now, and has been invited by Maliki, there’s literally no way of doing that without at least considering their presence tactically and trying not to step on each other’s dicks.

Of course we can stay out of it entirely, and there’s a decent argument for our doing exactly that while Maliki remains such a horrible leader, but it risks the entire country falling and the US embassy in Bagdad having to be abandoned to Islamist forces.

Thanks to Bush and his fucked up invasion Iraq is now the gift that keeps on giving.

252 blueraven  Jun 12, 2014 8:56:11pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Wasn’t everybody here claiming the use of military force in Iraq was war mongering? Now it would be OK for Obama to use force to assist Iranian troops? I think you can understand why I think that’s odd. Why is the use of military strength in Iraq suddenly a good idea if we’re using it to help Iranian troops? I don’t get it.

And didnt you just say this

Iran can’t afford another failed state on its borders and I don;t think they’re going to let it happen. I think it’s also very important for Iran to have some serious favors owed by Iraq. With the nuclear negotiations coming to a head soon Iran can be well positioned to weather any sanctions and can drive a much better deal at the bargaining table.Obama might actually let Iraq fail but I don’t think Iran will.

So for you it is all about Iran getting one “over” on Obama. You are fine using Iran. As long as it destroys Obama.

I don’t get it.

253 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 8:57:54pm

Confession. Don’t care about Ukraine anymore. I don’t like their attitude.

254 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2014 8:59:29pm

re: #247 Lidane

If we get involved at all, I see the US moving to protect its embassy and not much more. My money says they’re going to be careful to focus their operations on American interests and to avoid any overt cooperation with Iran, although there will be some machinations behind the scenes between us and the mullahs.

I don’t think we can really protect the embassy without somehow keeping ISIS out of Bagdad entirely. And Bagdad doesn’t remain viable as a defensible city without a buffer and supply routes to the South and towards Iran.

255 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 8:59:59pm

re: #243 goddamnedfrank

Iran is in Iraq now, apparently Quds Force has been invited by Maliki. So our options are to stay out of it entirely and risk Bagdad falling, to coordinate our air assets with Iran if for no other reason than that we don’t bomb them inadvertently and worsen relations with them at a time when our goals are aligned.

If we get involved at all there’s going to be some necessary amount of cooperation at play.

That’s why I’m becoming increasingly convinced Obama’s best option is to stay out of it at this point. Maybe a couple months ago when the Iraqis first asked it might have been a good idea but now Iran has been invited in. They’ll be able to keep Iraq from falling but Obama really doesn’t want to put himself in the position of using our military to advance Iranian regional influence.

256 Interesting Times  Jun 12, 2014 9:00:34pm

Oh hai, want some good news for a change? (granted, it didn’t happen in the US, but still…)

The province of Ontario soundly thumped the conservatives and their “we’re going to slash 100,000 public sector jobs’” austerity plan! :D

As an added bonus, Kathleen Wynne becomes the province’s first-ever female premier (our equivalent of governor). She’s openly gay as well, and it wasn’t even an issue in the election. Even the conservatives didn’t try to exploit it in any way.*

*Good luck seeing that happen in the US anytime soon :/

257 Ed E. Lishus  Jun 12, 2014 9:02:32pm

re: #255 Killgore Trout

re: #249 Killgore Trout

Wow, good luck with that.

You sound skeptical.

258 teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2014 9:04:53pm
259 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 9:07:05pm

The Iranians might even be better at stabilizing Iraq. They can crush ISIS with brutality that we’d never even consider and they can do it in Iraq and Syria. Once Assad doesn’t have to worry about northern rebels he can polish off the weak US supported rebels in the south. There’d be peace all over the place.

260 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2014 9:07:38pm

re: #255 Killgore Trout

That’s why I’m becoming increasingly convinced Obama’s best option is to stay out of it at this point. Maybe a couple months ago when the Iraqis first asked it might have been a good idea but now Iran has been invited in. They’ll be able to keep Iraq from falling but Obama really doesn’t want to put himself in the position of using our military to advance Iranian regional influence.

We might be able to engage ISIS with CIA drone flights and keep that fairly secret for a while, get Maliki to take credit for the strikes. The GOP is going to bitch no matter what, it’s all they do now. So since there’s literally no correct move for Obama to take from their perspective I see no reason why Iran’s presence in country should impact his decision making one way or another.

261 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 9:08:25pm

The Iranians could also do a favor for the Turks and get those pesky Kurds in line.

262 teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2014 9:08:44pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

The Iranians might even be better at stabilizing Iraq. They can crush ISIS with brutality that we’d never even consider and they can do it in Iraq and Syria. Once Assad doesn’t have to worry about northern rebels he can polish off the weak US supported rebels in the south. There’d be peace all over the place.

My response to this, in YouTube form:

Youtube Video

263 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 9:11:43pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

The Iranians might even be better at stabilizing Iraq. They can crush ISIS with brutality that we’d never even consider and they can do it in Iraq and Syria. Once Assad doesn’t have to worry about northern rebels he can polish off the weak US supported rebels in the south. There’d be peace all over the place.

LOL

264 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 9:19:06pm

Local Austin weather guy: “The worst is over, the severe weather advisories are gone. We should be back to regular programming in just a few minutes.”

*insert an hour of DAMAGE AFTER THE STORM coverage*

265 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2014 9:21:38pm
“If Saddam invested more in the pussy infrastructure of Iraq than he did on his fucking gay ass army, then this country would be no more fucked up than say - Mexico.”
-Cpl. Person, Generation Kill

Youtube Video

266 blueraven  Jun 12, 2014 9:26:16pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

The Iranians might even be better at stabilizing Iraq. They can crush ISIS with brutality that we’d never even consider and they can do it in Iraq and Syria. Once Assad doesn’t have to worry about northern rebels he can polish off the weak US supported rebels in the south. There’d be peace all over the place.

careful now, don’t get too excited.

267 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 9:35:41pm

Heh

Why MSNBC is in trouble

Two facts: 1. Cable news is in trouble, across the board. The demand for 24-hour televised news is on the wane, and the audience — a paltry slice of the population to begin with — is old and getting older.

But, 2, MSNBC is in serious trouble. This data point, released by the Pew Research Center on Thursday, explains why (bold mine):

Public perceptions of two major news sources - MSNBC and the Fox News Channel (FNC) - are deeply divided along ideological lines. … One thing that differs when it comes to MSNBC is that it does not draw the same uniformly positive reviews from consistent liberals that FNC does from consistent conservatives. While nearly half (45%) of consistent liberals view MSNBC favorably, that’s not much better than how MSNBC rates among those with mixed ideological views (38%). Nearly half of consistent liberals offer no opinion of MSNBC. By contrast, the vast majority of consistent conservatives offer an opinion of Fox News, with 74% favorable and just 5% unfavorable.

Get that? In other words, 74 percent of Fox News’ target audience really likes Fox News, whereas just 45 percent of MSNBC’s target audience likes MSNBC.

268 blueraven  Jun 12, 2014 9:38:37pm

re: #267 NJDhockeyfan

Heh

Why MSNBC is in trouble

Get that? In other words, 74 percent of Fox News’ target audience really likes Fox News, whereas just 45 percent of MSNBC’s target audience likes MSNBC.

Oh wow. This surprises you why?
Fox watchers are not very diverse. They toe the Fox line. This is not a great revelation.

269 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 9:40:43pm

re: #267 NJDhockeyfan

I’m amazed people watch cable news at all. Between Fox’s alternate reality version of the US, CNN’s obsession with a missing plane, Headline News being Missing White Girl Central, and MSNBC being useless aside from Maddow, the cable news networks are pointless.

Give me the BBC for news coverage any day.

270 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 9:41:42pm

re: #268 blueraven

Oh wow. This surprises you why?
Fox watchers are not very diverse. They toe the Fox line. This is not a great revelation.

Fox viewers love their little alternate reality bubble, and Fox News feeds it well.

271 Ed E. Lishus  Jun 12, 2014 9:42:51pm

re: #265 goddamnedfrank

Right when that show was on, I was fortunate enough to have one of those promotional thingies the cable companies do where I got HBO for free. Tragically horrible subject matter, but great show.

272 palomino  Jun 12, 2014 9:46:39pm

re: #267 NJDhockeyfan

Heh

Why MSNBC is in trouble

Get that? In other words, 74 percent of Fox News’ target audience really likes Fox News, whereas just 45 percent of MSNBC’s target audience likes MSNBC.

The average Fox viewer is about 80 years old. It doesn’t take much to make them happy.

Couple of other things. Some of msnbc’s hosts are just bad at the basics of tv infotainment; they really shouldn’t have TV shows in the first place. Also, you can’t expect liberals to really love a network that gives 3 hours each day to Joe Scarborough.

273 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 9:46:42pm

re: #269 Lidane

I’m amazed people watch cable news at all. Between Fox’s alternate reality version of the US, CNN’s obsession with a missing plane, Headline News being Missing White Girl Central, and MSNBC being useless aside from Maddow, the cable news networks are pointless.

Give me the BBC for news coverage any day.

This is probably impossible: I wish someone would start a news network that reports news stories with just facts. No agenda, no political spin….just facts.

274 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 9:46:57pm

Hmm. I like it.

275 Dark_Falcon  Jun 12, 2014 9:48:18pm

re: #261 Killgore Trout

The Iranians could also do a favor for the Turks and get those pesky Kurds in line.

276 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 9:48:31pm

re: #273 NJDhockeyfan

This is probably impossible: I wish someone would start a news network that reports news stories with just facts. No agenda, no political spin….just facts.

That’s why I podcast the BBC for my news. They actually tell me what’s going on in the world instead of spending hours getting pundit opinions on the news.

277 blueraven  Jun 12, 2014 9:53:07pm

re: #273 NJDhockeyfan

This is probably impossible: I wish someone would start a news network that reports news stories with just facts. No agenda, no political spin….just facts.

PBS News hour is good
BBC is good

Any 24 hr news network is begging for trouble.
I manage to watch a bit of Fox, a little MSNBC but get serious news from those mentioned above and on the web.

Fox does have a deeper and better News gathering operation. Problem is they squander it by spinning it to death.

278 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2014 9:59:25pm

re: #268 blueraven

Oh wow. This surprises you why?
Fox watchers are not very diverse. They toe the Fox line. This is not a great revelation.

Also I think MSNBC viewers are fed up with a lot of the hidebound talent holdovers that just aren’t doing much real journalism. Chris Matthews is a gigantic douche. Chris Hayes is semi dudebro. Al Sharpton is from another era, and mumbles, should be replaced by Goldie Taylor. Scarborough is just there to be the morning wingnut whisperer. Maddow is pretty much the only one left who’s using her hour to actually dig into issues and do some real reporting, but you can feel a malaise creeping into that show too recently.

I’d like to see Richard Engel given his own show.

279 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 12, 2014 10:07:14pm

re: #277 blueraven

PBS News hour is good
BBC is good

Any 24 hr news network is begging for trouble.
I manage to watch a bit of Fox, a little MSNBC but get serious news from those mentioned above and on the web.

Fox does have a deeper and better News gathering operation. Problem is they squander it by spinning it to death.

Whenever I get a chance to watch it I like Special Report on Fox. It’s just news. The rest of the shows on that channel are one sided. CNN does news with Anderson Cooper and Erin Burnett but those are more in depth stories. MSNBC….no thanks. I don’t think they have a news hour. I spend more time watching movies and sports when I’m home but when I want to catch up on the news there are very few places to go.

280 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2014 10:08:38pm

I also think the Friday through weekend Lockup marathons do a lot to turn off the core audience MSNBC attracts on weekdays. That shit is depressing as hell, exploitative and tends to present the prison system from a very authoritarian viewpoint.

I think they do it because it’s so incredibly cheap to produce, they have so much of it in the can already and zombie viewers just let it run in the background between Netflix purchases. Producing actual informative or entertaining alternative programming with cost actual money.

281 Ed E. Lishus  Jun 12, 2014 10:12:20pm

re: #280 goddamnedfrank

Is MSNBC still running that borderline entrapment show?

282 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2014 10:13:17pm
283 blueraven  Jun 12, 2014 10:13:49pm

re: #278 goddamnedfrank

Also I think MSNBC viewers are fed up with a lot of the hidebound talent holdovers that just aren’t doing much real journalism. Chris Matthews is a gigantic douche. Chris Hayes is semi dudebro. Al Sharpton is from another era, and mumbles, should be replaced by Goldie Taylor. Scarborough is just there to be the morning wingnut whisperer. Maddow is pretty much the only one left who’s using her hour to actually dig into issues and do some real reporting, but you can feel a malaise creeping into that show too recently.

I’d like to see Richard Engel given his own show.

I don’t think Engel would sit still long enough for a regular show.
I agree, the programming and talent is stale.

But then again so is Fox.
The problem is they don’t really do News. It is mostly opinion on both networks and that gets old.

re: #279 NJDhockeyfan

Whenever I get a chance to watch it I like Special Report on Fox. It’s just news. The rest of the shows on that channel are one sided. CNN does news with Anderson Cooper and Erin Burnett but those are more in depth stories. MSNBC….no thanks. I don’t think they have a news hour. I spend more time watching movies and sports when I’m home but when I want to catch up on the news there are very few places to go.

The first half of Special Report is OK and I watch on occasion. But then “the panel” comes on and oh boy…

284 Snarknado!  Jun 12, 2014 10:19:50pm

re: #280 goddamnedfrank

I also think the Friday through weekend Lockup marathons do a lot to turn off the core audience MSNBC attracts on weekdays. That shit is depressing as hell, exploitative and tends to present the prison system from a very authoritarian viewpoint.

I think they do it because it’s so incredibly cheap to produce, they have so much of it in the can already and zombie viewers just let it run in the background between Netflix purchases. Producing actual informative or entertaining alternative programming with cost actual money.

Apparently they are very popular. Either a lot of schizophrenics watch all the time, or it has two audiences, one for weekends.

Having trouble staying connected, so I’ll be signing out for now. ‘Night.

285 teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2014 10:20:35pm

re: #269 Lidane

I’m amazed people watch cable news at all. Between Fox’s alternate reality version of the US, CNN’s obsession with a missing plane, Headline News being Missing White Girl Central, and MSNBC being useless aside from Maddow, the cable news networks are pointless.

Give me the BBC for news coverage any day.

I haven’t watched TV in months.

286 teleskiguy  Jun 12, 2014 10:21:56pm

re: #269 Lidane

I’m amazed people watch cable news at all. Between Fox’s alternate reality version of the US, CNN’s obsession with a missing plane, Headline News being Missing White Girl Central, and MSNBC being useless aside from Maddow, the cable news networks are pointless.

Give me the BBC for news coverage any day.

re: #285 teleskiguy

I haven’t watched TV in months.

I take that back, I have sat down and watched Bill Maher a couple of times, and hockey games.

287 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2014 10:25:30pm

re: #279 NJDhockeyfan

Whenever I get a chance to watch it I like Special Report on Fox. It’s just news.

No, it’s not.

At the height of the health care reform debate last fall, Bill Sammon, Fox News’ controversial Washington managing editor, sent a memo directing his network’s journalists not to use the phrase “public option.”

Instead, Sammon wrote, Fox’s reporters should use “government option” and similar phrases — wording that a top Republican pollster had recommended in order to turn public opinion against the Democrats’ reform efforts.

Journalists on the network’s flagship news program, Special Report with Bret Baier, appear to have followed Sammon’s directive in reporting on health care reform that evening.

Sources familiar with the situation in Fox’s Washington bureau have told Media Matters that Sammon uses his position as managing editor to “slant” Fox’s supposedly neutral news coverage to the right. Sammon’s “government option” email is the clearest evidence yet that Sammon is aggressively pushing Fox’s reporting to the right — in this case by issuing written orders to his staff.

FOX does this shit all the time in their ostensibly straight news reporting, giving inordinate and credulous attention to the obsession with Benghazi, the IRS and ATF “scandals,” questions of Obama’s legitimacy, etc. The entire channel is a conservative political operation masquerading as a legitimate news outlet.

288 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 10:27:00pm

re: #285 teleskiguy

I haven’t watched TV in months.

My TV viewing is fairly limited. With Cosmos over and The Walking Dead on hiatus until October, the only show I really watch is Penny Dreadful. Other than that, I watch stuff on Netflix a lot.

It’s a far cry from the days when I’d plan my week around favorite shows.

289 blueraven  Jun 12, 2014 10:28:58pm

Oh damn…was able to do a short assessment of the storm damage . My pond has several shingles from the roof floating in it. They must have chopped many of my plants in half as they entered because most of them are broken and blooms scattered. Didn’t see any fish out of the water though.

I expect there are many more shingles scattered about the property. Couldn’t bear to go check out my vegetable garden tonight.

290 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 10:29:29pm

re: #285 teleskiguy

I haven’t watched TV in months.

It’s been years for me. I watched a bit of tv last summer but only because my computer crapped out and it took a couple days for repair.

291 Killgore Trout  Jun 12, 2014 10:33:17pm

Russia Today article via some crank website
US Airstrikes To Support Iranian Revolutionary Guard’s Offensive In Iraq?

292 dog philosopher  Jun 12, 2014 10:50:48pm

in a few months, i think, it will be considered a success if there is peace and there are three stable sections of iraq, instead of an ongoing bloodbath or a ‘caliphate’

of course. it might be that large parts of iraq might be under a ‘protectorate’ by iran

293 dog philosopher  Jun 12, 2014 10:51:56pm

it seems to me that there is no way that obama gets by politically without “doing something”, probably of course bombing

294 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 10:52:54pm

Mark Cuban will not be amused:

295 dog philosopher  Jun 12, 2014 10:54:31pm

re: #294 Lidane

Mark Cuban will not be amused:

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looks like sterling ate up all the dirt he could find for dinner

296 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 12, 2014 10:58:41pm

re: #295 dog philosopher

looks like sterling ate up all the dirt he could find for dinner

“Get in mah belly!”

297 Lidane  Jun 12, 2014 11:00:29pm
298 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 11:18:05pm

re: #297 Lidane

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Frontier gibberish.

299 Single-handed sailor  Jun 12, 2014 11:20:51pm

MSNBC was the last channel I watched on TV, 3 years ago. I gave up when I’d turn it on to get some news, and I got Prison Pr0n. I’ve been watching TV shows that I like on the internet. The only reason we have 200 channels on the TV is so my wife can watch her old movies, even my daughters watch online now… My wife is sloowly adopting online viewing. Maybe I can save $100 a month soon.

300 Gus  Jun 12, 2014 11:32:03pm

‘Night. Be nice to each other.

301 dog philosopher  Jun 13, 2014 12:25:30am

what republicans are calling for in regard to iraq amounts to perpetual babysitting of the entire country forever at the cost of god knows how many years, billions of dollars, and god knows how much american blood

302 freetoken  Jun 13, 2014 12:47:50am

MP3 Audio

303 Lidane  Jun 13, 2014 12:57:35am

re: #301 dog philosopher

what republicans are calling for in regard to iraq amounts to perpetual babysitting of the entire country forever at the cost of god knows how many years, billions of dollars, and god knows how much american blood

And they don’t want to pay for it, either. We should just be able to have perpetual war and zero taxes. Idiots.

304 freetoken  Jun 13, 2014 12:57:36am

MP3 Audio

305 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 2:58:36am

re: #303 Lidane

And they don’t want to pay for it, either. We should just be able to have perpetual war and zero taxes. Idiots.

That would be a fine corollary to the Norquist pledge: any increase in spending to fund a war MUST be accompanied by a tax increase to offset it…

306 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 3:42:01am

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Iraq is also home to the sites of Karbala and Najaf; as well as the graves of Imam Ali and Imam Hossein.

If Iran chose to roll on in - and by that full-bore - ISIS would be crushed in relatively short order. Of course, in that scenario, the Saudis (the nervous Nellys of the MidEast) would certainly look askance at that development. It would show a shift in the balance of power in Iran’s favor, and I doubt the Saudis would be too thrilled about that.

The Turks and the Iranians seem to be getting along quite nicely. I suspect that has more to do with their respective histories as great empires than anything else - they can relate to each other in that sense.

Who knows? Maybe one day, we’ll see the Middle Eastern Islamic world divvied up between Turkey and Iran. Like I said, they get along fairly well and they seem to have a good deal of respect for each other.

307 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 3:43:27am

re: #306 Dr Lizardo

Who knows? Maybe one day, we’ll see the Middle Eastern Islamic world divvied up between Turkey and Iran. Like I said, they get along fairly well and they seem to have a good deal of respect for each other.

And then they could sit on their tuffet and have their way with the Kurds…

308 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 13, 2014 3:50:29am

re: #273 NJDhockeyfan

This is probably impossible: I wish someone would start a news network that reports news stories with just facts. No agenda, no political spin….just facts.

Yes, that is impossible. For example, which facts you report automatically creates an agenda.

309 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 3:52:50am

re: #273 NJDhockeyfan

This is probably impossible: I wish someone would start a news network that reports news stories with just facts. No agenda, no political spin….just facts.

Every single news network is just like that. Just ask them ;)

310 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 3:55:20am

We need a Ministry of Fairness and Balance!!!

311 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 3:55:31am

re: #307 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And then they could sit on their tuffet and have their way with the Kurds…

Southeast Turkey still has a strong PKK presence, and of course the northern regions of Iraq are sort of a defacto Kurdistan. That issue will have to be resolved as well - the idea of an independent Kurdish nation-state.

312 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 3:58:49am

re: #311 Dr Lizardo

Southeast Turkey still has a strong PKK presence, and of course the northern regions of Iraq are sort of a defacto Kurdistan. That issue will have to be resolved as well - the idea of an independent Kurdish nation-state.

If Turkey and Iran are allowed to have their way in the region, there will be a Final Solution to the Kurdish Question

313 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 13, 2014 4:07:30am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If Turkey and Iran are allowed to have their way in the region, there will be a Final Solution to the Kurdish Question

Also known as “The Churchill”.

314 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 4:08:20am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If Turkey and Iran are allowed to have their way in the region, there will be a Final Solution to the Kurdish Question

I know the Turks tend to see the Kurds as “misguided brethren”. The Turks do have a certain imperial mindset - the idea that the Kurds just need a “mission civilisatrice” to transform them into happy, productive Turks. I would say they view the Kurds (patronizingly) as “wayward children” who just need to get with the program, as it were. The current Turkish government and the PKK have been working on the solution process (as it’s referred to in Turkish media) regarding at least the PKK’s insurgency, but unfortunately, and even with the best of intentions, it’s always a powder keg in search of a spark and the Turks have frequently operated in that region with an iron fist, to put it mildly.

I’m not that familiar with the situation of the Kurds in Iran. I would imagine the current Iranian regime likely takes a far more hardline approach, given their track record.

315 Dark_Falcon  Jun 13, 2014 4:19:35am

re: #313 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Also known as “The Churchill”.

Explain, please.

316 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 4:21:46am

re: #314 Dr Lizardo

I know the Turks tend to see the Kurds as “misguided brethren”. The Turks do have a certain imperial mindset - the idea that the Kurds just need a “mission civilisatrice” to transform them into happy, productive Turks. I would say they view the Kurds (patronizingly) as “wayward children” who just need to get with the program, as it were.

This perfectly describes the typical Russian imperialist mindset in regard to the Ukrainians too.

317 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 4:29:22am

re: #316 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

This perfectly describes the typical Russian imperialist mindset in regard to the Ukrainians too.
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Yes it does. The top image, I have to admit, made me chuckle.

And with regards to the Turks, they have some strange bedfellows, most notably, the extreme-right Jobbik party of Hungary (of all places) which is a proponent of Turanism.

The right-wing Jobbik party and its president Gábor Vona are uncompromising supporters of Turanism and Pan-Turkism (The ideology of Jobbik considers Hungarians as a Turkic nation.)

en.wikipedia.org

318 Dark_Falcon  Jun 13, 2014 4:30:04am

re: #316 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

This perfectly describes the typical Russian imperialist mindset in regard to the Ukrainians too.
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I wonder what Sarah Palin would say about that image of a ‘momma grizzly’.

I think that it would cause her tiny brain to freeze up until someone explained to her how the picture was wrong in simple words of no more than two syllables. Maybe she’d be told say that the bald eagle should be replaced in the image by the more European black lanner (‘black’ because Obama, thus allowing the retort to serve a dog whistle).

319 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 4:40:43am

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Explain, please.

I believe that Churchill advocated or even used chemical weapons to deal with recalcitrant colonial minorities.

320 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 13, 2014 4:41:03am

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Explain, please.

Churchill advocated the use of poison gas against the Kurds and other ‘uncivilized tribes’.

321 Dark_Falcon  Jun 13, 2014 4:45:04am

re: #319 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

re: #320 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Thank you, Gentlemen.

322 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 4:48:53am

re: #319 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

re: #320 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Gee……using chemical weapons against the Kurds; that sound eerily familiar.

323 Dark_Falcon  Jun 13, 2014 4:51:22am

re: #322 Dr Lizardo

Gee……using chemical weapons against the Kurds; that sound eerily familiar.

Though in fairness the British didn’t actually do that. Gassing the Kurds was done by the guy we ousted, Saddam Hussein. And Saddam was executed for that, among other things.

324 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 4:54:45am

re: #322 Dr Lizardo

Gee……using chemical weapons against the Kurds; that sound eerily familiar.

The difference being that, as far as I know, Churchill did not advocate the lethal use of poison gas.

I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas.

I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected.

325 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 4:56:38am

re: #324 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

The difference being that, as far as I know, Churchill did not advocate the lethal use of poison gas.

The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum.

The moral equivalent of hanging a few brigands in front of the town walls…

326 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 4:56:40am

re: #324 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

The difference being that, as far as I know, Churchill did not advocate the lethal use of poison gas.

Just enough to cause intense pain and permanent disability.

327 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 4:57:12am

re: #324 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

328 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 4:57:39am

re: #326 Pie-onist Overlord

“yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected.”

329 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 4:57:51am

re: #327 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

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We will fight them on the campuses, we will fight them in the parks and public squares!!!

330 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 4:58:24am

As long as you ride on one, like that famous scene in Dr. Strangelove

331 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 13, 2014 4:59:18am

re: #324 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Well, he’s not not advocating deadly gas there, he’s just saying the deadly gas wouldn’t be necessary. But you’re right, I shouldn’t be so cavalier with the reference.

332 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 4:59:20am

re: #328 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

“yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected.”

Just blind them for a little while and they will remember the pain and the terror for the rest of their lives.

333 Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2014 4:59:21am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Though in fairness the British didn’t actually do that. Gassing the Kurds was done by the guy we ousted, Saddam Hussein. And Saddam was executed for that, among other things.

Yeah, Churchill just fought in a war where the British put Boers into concentration camps and left them to starve to death.

334 Decatur Deb  Jun 13, 2014 5:00:56am

US riot-control agents CN and CS are lethal to some people, and to all people in some situations. That’s the benign classical ‘tear gas’. We lose a soldier to them occasionally, usually misuse.

335 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 13, 2014 5:04:48am

Not sure if this has been mentioned here yet, but file this under “Libertarians fuck up everything”:

Edward Snowden threw a bucket of hot water on Scandinavia’s quest to house the world’s data

However, what were previously open cross-border relations in the region are becoming more tense as more international intelligence activities have come to light through the Edward Snowden revelations. Finland owns 11% of TeliaSonera, formed by a merger of Finnish and Swedish telecom operators in 2002, but reportedly didn’t want to go along with a larger plan to build a network from St. Petersburg through the Baltics into Germany late last year due in part to concerns over Sweden’s cooperation with US surveillance as disclosed by Snowden. The Finnish government granted funding instead to an undersea cable direct from Finland to Germany last month to lessen reliance on current cables, which cross from Denmark to Sweden before reaching Finnish soil.

336 Dark_Falcon  Jun 13, 2014 5:05:29am

re: #327 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

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Watch it with the ‘Killgore-porn’ this early in the morning. ;)

BBL

337 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 5:09:12am

re: #336 Dark_Falcon

Watch it with the ‘Killgore-porn’ this early in the morning. ;)

BBL

Not a morning where I am :)

338 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 5:13:47am

Today is Friday 13th AND a Full Moon.

Teh Internets should be TEH MOAST FUNS.

339 Decatur Deb  Jun 13, 2014 5:14:49am

re: #338 Pie-onist Overlord

Today is Friday 13th AND a Full Moon.

Teh Internets should be TEH MOAST FUNS.

Also some possibility of disruption from a solar event, unless that has passed.

340 Decatur Deb  Jun 13, 2014 5:18:50am

re: #339 Decatur Deb

Also some possibility of disruption from a solar event, unless that has passed.

Worst of that might be over:

abcnews.go.com

341 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 5:39:26am

re: #317 Dr Lizardo

The leader of the Hungarian fascist Arrow Cross Party, Ferenc Szálasi, believed in the existence of a distinct Turanid Hungarian race (which included Jesus Christ).

Hmm.

342 Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2014 5:48:54am

Heh, apparently Kevin McCarthy, the heir apparent to Cantor’s spot as House Majority Leader, is already on the wingnut shit list for agreeing to a non-partisan commission’s redistricting map for California because it cost the GOP several seats there.

343 HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2014 5:53:14am

re: #342 Targetpractice

Heh, apparently Kevin McCarthy, the heir apparent to Cantor’s spot as House Majority Leader, is already on the wingnut shit list for agreeing to a non-partisan commission’s redistricting map for California because it cost the GOP several seats there.

It’d be easy to feel some sympathy for these guys but Cantor and his staff were apparently huge dicks and then there’s the whole bit about Cantor, McCarthy, and the others enabling the nutcases time and time again.

344 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 5:54:37am

re: #343 HappyWarrior

It’d be easy to feel some sympathy for these guys but Cantor and his staff were apparently huge dicks and then there’s the whole bit about Cantor, McCarthy, and the others enabling the nutcases time and time again.

and ultimately enabling themselves out of a job

345 Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2014 5:59:36am

re: #343 HappyWarrior

It’d be easy to feel some sympathy for these guys but Cantor and his staff were apparently huge dicks and then there’s the whole bit about Cantor, McCarthy, and the others enabling the nutcases time and time again.

I personally find it hilarious that the TPers cheered on the downfall of a Virginian “moderate” Republican, only to see him be replaced with one from California. I haven’t looked too deeply into McCarthy on immigration, but I can’t imagine he’s gonna be the firebreather than the wingnuts are looking to finally put the kibosh on “amnesty” once and for all.

346 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 13, 2014 6:00:00am
347 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 6:01:50am

THIS IS NOT GOOD==>
Jindal closes 3 of 5 abortion clinics remaining in LA with the excuse of “protecting” women.

348 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 6:03:26am

re:
#347

socially conservative libertarian!!11

349 lawhawk  Jun 13, 2014 6:04:58am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see Charles has been busy tweaking code, because if you’re looking at the reply/quote in line, you’ll now get a “popup” showing the message and the ability to scroll to the comment directly. Clever. Big improvement over the prior iteration.

re: #5 Charles Johnson

That’s all kind of awesome and streamlines navigating through the comments!

350 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 6:05:38am

re:
#342

Well I guess Sarah Palin and Rush Limbo can primary this guy, too.

351 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 6:08:27am

re:
#330

So Bryan is volunteering other people’s families to go fight everywhere?

What could go wrong?

352 Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2014 6:09:08am

re: #350 Bulworth

re:
#342

Well I guess Sarah Palin and Rush Limbo can primary this guy, too.

Hell, it gets better. The Breitbartians are pissed, as according to them, McCarthy’s even more of a liberal than Cantor was. And the two top conservatives that everybody in the House GOP was looking to run for Cantor’s spot after Sessions bowed out have cited personal reasons for not throwing their hats in the ring. All the chest thumpers in the House who make noise when the leadership doesn’t follow their demands, but not a single one has challenged McCarthy for the seat.

353 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 6:09:30am

re: #347 Pie-onist Overlord

THIS IS NOT GOOD==>

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And yet the media keeps referring to these people as “pro-life” instead of the dogmatic misogynists they really are.

They ought to be ashamed—all of them.

354 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 6:10:22am

re: #353 Justanotherhuman

And yet the media keeps referring to these people as “pro-life” instead of the dogmatic misogynists they really are.

They ought to be ashamed—all of them.

We are pro-life. They are merely anti-choice.

355 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 13, 2014 6:10:44am
356 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 6:12:20am

re:
#352

We demands that David Brat be majority leader cuz he beat Cantor and he can go to Congress right now!1

357 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 6:14:59am

re: #354 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

We are pro-life. They are merely anti-choice.

They are more “anti-life” than anything. Authoritarian, doctrinaire, war-like, earth destroyers, for starters.

358 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 6:15:46am

re:
#353

Staunchly “pro-life”as LifesiteNews refers to them.

Puke.

359 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 6:16:31am

re: #341 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Hmm.

Turanism is a most eccentric ideology.

360 lawhawk  Jun 13, 2014 6:17:11am

Memo to the people who are now complaining about how we should never have pulled out of Iraq, even if it was wrong to have gone in to Iraq in the first place.

We had been trying to negotiate a SOFA since 2008. President Bush couldn’t get a deal done, and neither could President Obama since neither was going to give up the immunity provisions for US forces - in other words, they wouldn’t want US soldiers to be prosecuted by Iraqi courts should their actions result in deaths, injuries, or damages to Iraqis and their property. We wanted to keep those prosecutions under the UCMJ, and Maliki wouldn’t budge on that. Maliki ultimately bears responsibility for the fact that a deal couldn’t be done, and the US forces withdrew as the US said it would way back in 2008/2009 because the conflict was winding down.

Had a SOFA been in place, it is possible the current situation could have been avoided, but because it wasn’t completed, the US forces had no choice but to withdraw at the behest of the Iraqi government.

Now, they’re clamoring to get the US back in the game because all the billions thrown at the Iraqi military haven’t exactly created a professional force. The slightest confrontation, and the forces flee. We’re not talking about fighting a standing army either, but a bunch of irregulars - terrorists/militiamen. There’s some talk about how the Iraqis don’t have any air power of their own to call upon, but that’s not quite true either. It’s not what it once was pre-2003 invasion, but it’s available, and it’s now getting into the fight.

Where was it when the advances were being made on Mosul in the first place, when they could have had maximum effect in blunting the advance and reinforcing the ground forces that might have kept them in place?

Meanwhile the GOP and Boehner are busy complaining that the US wasn’t doing anything until the ISIS forces were within 100 miles of Baghdad. What exactly are we going to do? Reinvade a country with whom we’re supposedly on good terms with despite not signing the SOFA? If the US did act and engaged in airstrikes, Boehner would be complaining over executive overreach and that Congress wasn’t consulted and that Obama was violating the WPA.

It’s all political posturing and acting like a 2-year old who can never get his way. Throwing tantrums is all the GOP has these days, and that includes primary elections where they throw out extremists who aren’t sounding extreme enough.

361 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 6:17:45am

re: #352 Targetpractice

Hell, it gets better. The Breitbartians are pissed, as according to them, McCarthy’s even more of a liberal than Cantor was. And the two top conservatives that everybody in the House GOP was looking to run for Cantor’s spot after Sessions bowed out have cited personal reasons for not throwing their hats in the ring. All the chest thumpers in the House who make noise when the leadership doesn’t follow their demands, but not a single one has challenged McCarthy for the seat.

Yeah, I’m seeing that sentiment over in Freeperville as well.

362 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 13, 2014 6:19:13am

Iran’s Supreme Leader is tweeting this morning about Iraq and the Juice…

363 The War TARDIS  Jun 13, 2014 6:22:50am

re: #362 NJDhockeyfan

Fortunately for everyone, statistics say the Khamenei won’t be around much longer.

364 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 6:24:10am

HOORAY! KOCH BROTHERS FRONT GROUP DECLARES VICTORY IN MICHIGAN: CRUMBLING ROADS WON’T BE FIXED, TAXPAYERS SAVE MONEY. YAYY FOR POTHOLES!!

365 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 6:27:07am

re: #363 The War TARDIS

Fortunately for everyone, statistics say the Khamenei won’t be around much longer.

But who’s gonna replace him? It could be someone even more hardline than Khamenei.

366 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 6:28:34am

According to this, McCarthy uses charm and personal attention to win over others. Don’t forget, he is currently Majority Whip, also.

Rep. Kevin McCarthy uses networking skills to emerge as Eric Cantor’s likely successor

washingtonpost.com

I’d bet he has personal ambitions beyond the House as well.

367 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 6:29:16am

re: #359 Dr Lizardo

Turanism is a most eccentric ideology.

The thesis that Jesus wasn’t Jewish is not new in itself (Galilean -> Galilee allegedly largely non-Jewish -> profit), but this, with the Turkic Jesus, is an interesting quirk.

368 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 6:29:26am

re:
#364

The only thing needed now is moar cheeper gas for the expensive SUV and big cars to ride on the crappy roads. /

369 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 6:30:53am

re:
#364

Why is this AFP tweet using a #fixtheroads hashtag? Are the roads supposed to fix themselves?

370 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 13, 2014 6:30:59am
371 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2014 6:32:29am

This election of the House Majority leader could be a big turning point for the GOP. Are they going to keep drinking the Tea or are they going to dump it? This could send a big message to ‘middle’ America and add some color to the elections this fall. Hopefully we get all the juicy details. It could be rancorous.

372 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 6:32:32am

re:
#364

Roads fixed by cutting waste and fraud in government except savings from gov cuts MUST go back to taxpayers because There moneys!1

373 Ian G.  Jun 13, 2014 6:37:58am

re: #367 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

The thesis that Jesus wasn’t Jewish is not new in itself (Galilean -> Galilee allegedly largely non-Jewish -> profit), but this, with the Turkic Jesus, is an interesting quirk.

It’s pretty much a point in every fascist platform to claim Jesus was not a JOOOO but in fact [insert ethnicity of said fascist group here]. The Nazis said Jesus was an Aryan. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Italian fascists had some “intellectuals” who claimed he was actually Roman. Golden Dawn would probably say he was Greek.

374 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 6:38:01am

How Iraq’s Kurds May Be The Unlikely Losers In The ISIS Chaos

Let’s assume civil war is averted, ISIS pushed back and Baghdad’s soldiers reassembled into a more reliable force. The Kurdish occupation of Kirkuk, in the name of guarding against ISIS, then will become a political bargaining chip. There’s been talk from Kurdish politicians that they should seize this opportunity to bring the oil-rich city under permanent Kurdish control. More likely, the Kurds will hold Kirkuk until this crisis has passed, then cede it back to federal forces, hopefully in return for promises of a final resolution of the all-important oil issue.

375 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 6:38:21am

re: #369 Bulworth

re:
#364

Why is this AFP tweet using a #fixtheroads hashtag? Are the roads supposed to fix themselves?

The article AFP links to just declares a huge TAXPAYER VICTORY!!!!! that taxes won’t be raised to pay for road repairs, but doesn’t say who will pay the road repairs.

I guess they think the Road Fairy will fill in the potholes with Pixie Dust.

376 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 13, 2014 6:38:37am

re: #363 The War TARDIS

Fortunately for everyone, statistics say the Khamenei won’t be around much longer.

He’ll just get replaced with another anti-Semitic douchebag.

Speaking of anti-Semitic douchebags…

377 Ian G.  Jun 13, 2014 6:38:50am

re: #364 Pie-onist Overlord

HOORAY! KOCH BROTHERS FRONT GROUP DECLARES VICTORY IN MICHIGAN: CRUMBLING ROADS WON’T BE FIXED, TAXPAYERS SAVE MONEY. YAYY FOR POTHOLES!!

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Any particular reason why AFP seems to have Michigan in its crosshairs? To many strong unions still left there?

378 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 6:42:01am

re: #377 Ian G.

Any particular reason why AFP seems to have Michigan in its crosshairs? To many strong unions still left there?

AFP has a Twitter account for every state, I don’t think Michigan is particularly singled out. They want to fuck everybody up.

379 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 6:42:14am

re: #373 Ian G.

It’s pretty much a point in every fascist platform to claim Jesus was not a JOOOO but in fact [insert ethnicity of said fascist group here]. The Nazis said Jesus was an Aryan. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Italian fascists had some “intellectuals” who claimed he was actually Roman. Golden Dawn would probably say he was Greek.

Better yet, Jesus, son of Zeus :P

380 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 6:42:18am

re:
#375

roads dont need fixed roads our fine schemes to fixtheroads are just libtard plots to take taxes money not need to fix roads!11

381 Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2014 6:42:46am

re: #364 Pie-onist Overlord

HOORAY! KOCH BROTHERS FRONT GROUP DECLARES VICTORY IN MICHIGAN: CRUMBLING ROADS WON’T BE FIXED, TAXPAYERS SAVE MONEY. YAYY FOR POTHOLES!!

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Because crumbling roads are worth dealing with if we can save a few cents per gallon!

////

382 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 6:43:41am

re:
#375

hurr hurr if U dont like roads dont drive on them stay home and work

383 blueraven  Jun 13, 2014 6:44:14am

John McCain has lost his mind. He claims we won in Iraq militarily and politically, that there was a stable government and we could have left a residual force. All would be perfect if not for Obama.

This was on Morning Joe this morning…he thinks we should call Petraeus back up.

Youtube Video

384 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 6:44:28am

re: #381 Targetpractice

Because crumbling roads are worth dealing with if we can save a few cents per gallon!

////

Privatize the roads and we won’t have to spend taxpayer dollars on maintaining them!!!

385 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 6:44:42am

re: #381 Targetpractice

Because crumbling roads are worth dealing with if we can save a few cents per gallon!

////

AYN RAND SAID TAKING TEH MONEYS FROM RICH PEOPLE TO FIX TEH ROADS IT TYRANNY!!!!!!

386 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 6:46:01am

re: #367 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

The thesis that Jesus wasn’t Jewish is not new in itself (Galilean -> Galilee allegedly largely non-Jewish -> profit), but this, with the Turkic Jesus, is an interesting quirk.

Yes, it is an interesting quirk. Of course, the thesis that Jesus wasn’t Jewish has been around for quite awhile, and the idea still survives to this day in some circles. I believe the Christian Identity movement has a similar idea, though of course, in their view Jesus was a white European, as white Europeans are the descendants of the Biblical Israelites. If I remember right, CI is an offshoot of British Israelism.

387 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 6:46:26am

I don’t even get what Ayn Rand is trying to say with that Road Word Salad.

388 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 13, 2014 6:47:23am

re: #383 blueraven

John McCain has lost his mind. He claims we won in Iraq militarily and politically, that there was a stable government and we could have left a residual force. All would be perfect if not for Obama.

This was on Morning Joe this morning…he thinks we should call Petraeus back up.

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A lot of people had a vested interest in pretending that Iraq was a stable state. For some it’s ignorance, for others it’s just malice towards Obama.

littlegreenfootballs.com

I would have preferred we leave behind a stable democracy. I’m not expecting perfection but something along the lines of Iraq. Sure, stuff blows up sometimes, there’s a bit of ethnic/religious tension but the government is stable and not in danger of collapsing or being overthrown.

389 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 6:47:26am

re: #373 Ian G.

It’s pretty much a point in every fascist platform to claim Jesus was not a JOOOO but in fact [insert ethnicity of said fascist group here]. The Nazis said Jesus was an Aryan. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Italian fascists had some “intellectuals” who claimed he was actually Roman. Golden Dawn would probably say he was Greek.

Then there is that whacky claim that JC visited North America. Why, there’s even a painting of it.

beta.mormon.org

390 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 6:47:51am

re: #387 Pie-onist Overlord

I don’t even get what Ayn Rand is trying to say with that Road Word Salad.

it means that every aspect of human interrelationships should be reduced to a monetary transaction.

391 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 13, 2014 6:48:57am

Iraq conflict: ISIS militants seize new towns

Islamist militants in Iraq have seized two new towns, widening their control after threatening to move on Baghdad.

The Sunni-led Islamists advanced into Diyala province in the east - near Iran and close to the capital - having seized Mosul and Tikrit to the north.

The UN says hundreds have been killed - with militants carrying out summary executions of civilians in Mosul, including 17 civilians in one street.

The US says it is looking at “all options”, including military action.

Led by the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIS), the insurgents have threatened to push to the capital, Baghdad and regions further south dominated by Iraq’s Shia Muslim majority, whom they regard as “infidels”.

392 Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2014 6:49:00am

re: #387 Pie-onist Overlord

I don’t even get what Ayn Rand is trying to say with that Road Word Salad.

Best I can make of it is a declaration that roads and hospitals should be sold to the wealthy as business decisions, rather than paid for with tax dollars as the price of civilization. In Ayn’s mind, the wealthy were entitled to their wealth and taking any part of it in taxes was theft.

393 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 6:49:04am

re: #389 Justanotherhuman

Then there is that whacky claim that JC visited North America. Why, there’s even a painting of it.

beta.mormon.org

Frankly, it’s not more wacky than a typical biblical story. :P

394 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 6:49:53am

re: #390 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

it means that every aspect of human interrelationships should be reduced to a monetary transaction.

It seems to me she is saying that using tax revenue to build infrastructure is coercion.

395 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 6:51:00am

re: #386 Dr Lizardo

Interestingly enough one must really torture the biblical text to avoid the obvious conclusion that the Jesus-as-described-in-the-NT was Jewish, which makes these racist offshoots pretty incompatible with the conservative principle of biblical inerrancy.

396 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 13, 2014 6:52:34am

re: #395 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Did you mean the double negative?

Avoid the conclusion that he was not Jewish?

397 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2014 6:53:01am

re: #383 blueraven

John McCain has lost his mind. He claims we won in Iraq militarily and politically, that there was a stable government and we could have left a residual force. All would be perfect if not for Obama.

This was on Morning Joe this morning…he thinks we should call Petraeus back up.

[Embedded content]

Is it too early in the morning to say McCain can go fuck himself?

398 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 13, 2014 6:53:18am

This puts the size of Iraq’s terrorist problem in perspective…

399 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 6:53:35am

re: #396 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Oops, edited :D

400 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 13, 2014 6:55:28am

re: #395 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Interestingly enough one must really torture the biblical text to avoid the obvious conclusion that the Jesus-as-described-in-the-NT was not Jewish, which makes these racist offshoots pretty incompatible with the conservative principle of biblical inerrancy.

That would seem to be the case, until you realize that it was The Juice who were writing the Bible, so it’s skewed. Once you realize and adjust for that using our unique system of heuristics that prove our point, you can’t help but see that we are correct…. //////

See, life is so easy when you just deny reality and substitute your own.

RBS

401 lawhawk  Jun 13, 2014 6:58:25am

re: #381 Targetpractice

Because crumbling roads are worth dealing with if we can save a few cents per gallon!

////

Well, in that vein, Gov. Christie’s use of the Port Authority to rebuild the Pulaski Skyway is attracting SEC scrutiny because of bond offerings made by the Port Authority that are outside the scope of the authority’s, well, authority.

The Governor didn’t want to raise the gas tax, didn’t want to raise other taxes, or shift funds to the Transportation Trust Fund (TTF), so he decided that he’d take billions that had been set aside for the ARC tunnel to plug a hole in the TTF, and in particular, the skyway rehabilitation.

If the SEC finds that this is illegal, the state and the Port Authority have a mess on their hands. It might mean another downgrade on their credit ratings (increasing their costs for borrowing), and the state will have to come up with still more money it doesn’t have.

Christie’s already in hot water over taking billions meant for pension payments, in violation of the state constitution contracts provision (he’s facing a suit over that taking, even though he needs to balance the budget before July 1 and there’s few options left for him to do). Raising taxes or cutting services, or a combination of both - and he’s unwilling to raise taxes, and he’s mandated to provide most of the services.

Add to that the fact that he’s consistently blown budget estimates by being too optimistic about state growth, and he’s facing a bleak economic picture.

Fix the roads and bridges, build infrastructure, and it’ll pay off down the road (literally and figuratively), but he’s intent on doing anything but paying the bill - now or in the future.

402 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 6:59:05am

re: #395 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Interestingly enough one must really torture the biblical text to avoid the obvious conclusion that the Jesus-as-described-in-the-NT was Jewish, which makes these racist offshoots pretty incompatible with the conservative principle of biblical inerrancy.

We have to accept the fact that the Testaments are just that: statements of faith, written years after the fact and often based on second or third-hand testimony. They make no claim to be a comprehensive history of biography of Jesus.

403 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 6:59:22am

re: #392 Targetpractice

Best I can make of it is a declaration that roads and hospitals should be sold to the wealthy as business decisions, rather than paid for with tax dollars as the price of civilization. In Ayn’s mind, the wealthy were entitled to their wealth and taking any part of it in taxes was theft.

That was exactly her notion. Nevermind that obviously tens millions of people voluntarily contribute to the govt to get it done.

Even if it’s the law, it’s a voluntary decision to obey the law. Otherwise, there would be no criminals.

People are whacked who say, in a representative govt, that the law doesn’t apply to them.

That’s “sovereign citizen” territory when people claim the duly legislated rules don’t apply to them and it’s why I have no problem comparing libertarians to them.

404 lawhawk  Jun 13, 2014 7:01:19am

re: #398 NJDhockeyfan

And that’s a map that would essentially mirror the insurgency the US faced while it was in Iraq - the Iron Triangle, the rat lines to Syria and Iran, and the main roads leading between the key cities. But that’s not nearly as bleak as it looks because there’s no way ISIS should be able to hold those areas. They simply don’t have the numbers - they can disrupt, but can’t hold against a determined military. That last bit is the problem. The Iraqi military is in disarray and they’ve got to find themselves someone who will lead and fight.

405 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 7:01:51am

re: #400 RealityBasedSteve

That would seem to be the case, until you realize that it was The Juice who were writing the Bible, so it’s skewed. Once you realize and adjust for that using our unique system of heuristics that prove our point, you can’t help but see that we are correct…. //////

See, life is so easy when you just deny reality and substitute your own.

RBS

Then again, just claim that the Jews described in the Bible were the true, Aryan Jews, while today’s Jews are the false, Khazar Jews, and voila, problem solved!/// That’s British Israelism in one sentence.

406 Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2014 7:02:17am

re: #385 Pie-onist Overlord

AYN RAND SAID TAKING TEH MONEYS FROM RICH PEOPLE TO FIX TEH ROADS IT TYRANNY!!!!!!
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“Good roads, canals, and navigable rivers, by diminishing the expence of carriage, put the remote parts of the country more nearly upon a level with with those of the neighbourhood of the town. They are upon that the greatest of all improvements.” -Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations (1776)

407 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 13, 2014 7:03:56am

re: #330 Pie-onist Overlord

As long as you ride on one, like that famous scene in Dr. Strangelove

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Or Machete Kills.

409 Ian G.  Jun 13, 2014 7:04:09am

re: #385 Pie-onist Overlord

AYN RAND SAID TAKING TEH MONEYS FROM RICH PEOPLE TO FIX TEH ROADS IT TYRANNY!!!!!!
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If we had evolved to where most of us had the same mindset as Ayn Rand, we would have never made it off the plains of Africa. We’d still be lion food.

Thankfully, we evolved to be a communal species. Ayn Rand is a sociopathic evolutionary dead end.

410 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 7:04:30am

re: #402 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

True. We don’t really know a lot about the historical Jesus (that he even existed is not as certain as that, say, Pilate or Caesar existed). That’s why I specifically limited my claim to the NT descriptions.

411 Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2014 7:04:50am

re: #401 lawhawk

I think we can just safely go ahead and count Christie out of the running next year. Even if he makes a bid, there’s no way he could win in the primaries.

412 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 13, 2014 7:06:00am

re: #407 GlutenFreeJesus

Or Machete Kills.

I watched that the other night….. LMAO!!!

RBS

413 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 7:06:36am

re: #412 RealityBasedSteve

Worth it?

414 Ian G.  Jun 13, 2014 7:07:07am

re: #379 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Better yet, Jesus, son of Zeus :P

You joke, but I’ve read in many places that the Jesus story is a reflection of how strongly Greek culture had permeated ancient Israel by the 1st century. For one, the idea of a God and a human woman producing a son doesn’t appear anywhere in the Hebrew Bible, but it occurs all the time in Greek mythology. Jesus is more Perseus or Hercules than he is Moses or Abraham.

415 Eventual Carrion  Jun 13, 2014 7:07:41am

re: #151 Kid A

Operation Iraqi Freedom!!!

Operation Iraqi Liberation

(OIL)

416 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 13, 2014 7:08:19am

re: #398 NJDhockeyfan

This puts the size of Iraq’s terrorist problem in perspective…

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Almost as big a reach as the Teahadi have against America…

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417 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 13, 2014 7:08:56am

re: #398 NJDhockeyfan

This puts the size of Iraq’s terrorist problem in perspective…

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This is why calling them ‘terrorists’ at this point underestimates them.

418 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 7:09:44am

re: #405 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Then again, just claim that the Jews described in the Bible were the true, Aryan Jews, while today’s Jews are the false, Khazar Jews, and voila, problem solved!/// That’s British Israelism in one sentence.

I do believe there’s actually a church up in the Portland, OR area that’s British Israelist, believe it or not. I can’t remember the name of it now.

419 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 7:09:57am

re: #414 Ian G.

I was aiming more at the fact that initially the Gold Dawn were classical Greek pagans who worshiped the 12 Olympians. But yes, this whole son-of-god thing would fit perfectly if they ever wanted to try something syncretic :)

420 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 13, 2014 7:10:08am

re: #413 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Worth it?

If you remember what it is… a kind of homage to the old grind house double features, yes. It’s fun to try and catch all the ‘hat tips’ to other movies. It’s a fun friday night movie. I enjoyed it more than I thought I would.

RBS

421 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 7:11:06am

Facebook, Twitter, Google and YouTube blocked in Iraq for many users, @martinchulov reports

422 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 7:12:25am

re: #420 RealityBasedSteve

Well, I mean, I watched the 1st part, “Machete”, loved it too, just wonder whether it succumbed the the usual curse of most sequels.

423 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 7:14:56am

Duh.

International Energy Agency: Future growth for the world’s leading oil cartel will be severely harmed if militants reach the south of Iraq - @SkyNews
End of alert

424 Ian G.  Jun 13, 2014 7:15:48am

re: #378 Pie-onist Overlord

AFP has a Twitter account for every state, I don’t think Michigan is particularly singled out. They want to fuck everybody up.

Got it. I should probably not look at the New York one. Cuomo’s “Billion for Buffalo” is likely savaged on a regular basis, even though there are hopeful signs that it may be helping to turn that beleaguered rust belt city into a center of biotech innovation, a la Pittsburgh (or the Albany, NY region, which is now a nanotech innovation hub).

425 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 13, 2014 7:16:40am

re: #422 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Well, I mean, I watched the 1st part, “Machete”, loved it too, just wonder whether it succumbed the the usual curse of most sequels.

I’d say go-for-it. It’s not “Temple of Doom”. :)

RBS

426 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 7:21:03am
A.Word.A.Day
with Anu Garg

votary

PRONUNCIATION:
(VOH-tuh-ree)

MEANING:
noun: 1. One who is devoted to an activity, person, institution, etc.
noun: 2. One who has taken vows to a religion, such as a monk or nun.
adjective: Bound by a vow or relating to a vow.

ETYMOLOGY:
From Latin votum (vow), from vovere (to vow), which also gave us vow, vote, and devote. Earliest documented use: 1546.

do we know any who fits this category?

427 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 7:22:03am

re: #426 FemNaziBitch

do we know any who fits this category?

All the members of the Votary Club?

428 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 7:22:15am

I watched the Warrior Way last night.

What a Hoot!

429 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 13, 2014 7:25:16am

re: #426 FemNaziBitch

What do you call a nun who’s stuck in a revolving door?
A rotary votary.

430 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 7:26:54am

re: #429 wheat-dogghazi

What do you call a nun who’s stuck in a revolving door?
A rotary votary.

What if she also functions as a notary?

431 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 7:27:21am

So, more of the whacked out think this is cute, desirable, and to be emulated?

“I, Robot”

432 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 7:27:24am
433 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 13, 2014 7:28:27am

re: #430 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

What if she also functions as a notary?

A rotary votary notary.

434 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 7:28:33am

re: #391 NJDhockeyfan

The UN says hundreds have been killed - with militants carrying out summary executions of civilians in Mosul, including 17 civilians in one street.

ugh

435 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 7:29:25am

re: #432 Pie-onist Overlord

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Those are probably supervisory positions, like dept mgrs.

What, christians lie?

436 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 7:30:33am

re: #433 wheat-dogghazi

A rotary votary notary.

Drehgeweihtnotarin.

437 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jun 13, 2014 7:31:21am

re: #433 wheat-dogghazi

A rotary votary notary.

And a group of them would be a rotary votary notary coterie.

438 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 7:32:13am

re: #435 Justanotherhuman

Those are probably supervisory positions, like dept mgrs.

What, christians lie?

Williston ND has hyper inflation caused by unsustainable oil boom. The oil will play out eventually as it always does. money.cnn.com

439 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 7:32:46am

re: #435 Justanotherhuman

Those are probably supervisory positions, like dept mgrs.

What, christians lie?

OK, I went to the link. It’s not a desirable location and I don’t see people moving there just for a little more money and having to live in a camper.

440 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 7:32:47am

re: #408 NJDhockeyfan

ISIS, beheadings and the success of horrifying violence

It’s really disturbing seeing so many prisoners. ISIS doesn’t have the infrastructure to hold that many prisoners for very long. They’ll have to kill them or set them free, i fear the worst.

441 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 7:33:00am

re: #437 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

And a group of them would be a rotary votary notary coterie.

Hopefully none of them are Tories.

442 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 13, 2014 7:33:56am

re: #440 Killgore Trout

It’s really disturbing seeing so many prisoners. ISIS doesn’t have the infrastructure to hold that many prisoners for very long. They’ll have to kill them or set them free, i fear the worst.

Don’t worry. Your Iranian buddies are on it.

443 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 13, 2014 7:34:19am

re: #441 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Only in the UK, I think.

Or does Canada have Tories, too?

444 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 7:35:22am

re: #442 GlutenFreeJesus

Don’t worry. Your Iranian buddies are on it.

Why “buddies”?

445 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 13, 2014 7:35:27am

re: #412 RealityBasedSteve

I watched that the other night….. LMAO!!!

RBS

lol I love that movie. The helicopter/grappler hook scene towards the end is so amazing.

446 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 13, 2014 7:36:19am

re: #444 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Why “buddies”?

He thinks the QUDS force allegedly in Iraq will solve everything.

447 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 7:36:35am

re: #443 wheat-dogghazi

Only in the UK, I think.

Or does Canada have Tories, too?

en.wikipedia.org

448 danarchy  Jun 13, 2014 7:37:22am

re: #435 Justanotherhuman

Those are probably supervisory positions, like dept mgrs.

What, christians lie?

It’s actually because of the oil and natural gas boom going on out there. Hard to get someone to work at walmart for $7 an hour when someone with no experience can get a job with one of the drilling companies starting at 60K a year. That’s why rent is so expensive out there too. They weren’t ready for the influx and companies are putting workers up in trailers and stuff. Even the fast food companies are paying north of $15/hr for entry level.

449 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 7:37:25am

Not good at all.

450 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 7:37:37am

re: #444 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Why “buddies”?

Because unfortunately the Iranians are more likely to help the Iraqi government than the US.

451 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 7:39:05am

re: #448 danarchy

See #439. My fault for not reading the link. : ) Eventual “Boomtown” bust and living conditions aren’t worth moving there.

452 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 7:40:03am

Still advancing on Baghdad
ISIS Militants Laden With Weapons, Stolen Cash Head for Baghdad

453 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 7:40:15am

Some virus’s don’t run their course and die, they mutate and seek revenge:
ISIS, beheadings and the success of horrifying violence

454 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 7:41:06am

re: #433 wheat-dogghazi

A rotary votary notary.

Can you hum a few bars?

455 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 7:42:44am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

Still advancing on Baghdad
ISIS Militants Laden With Weapons, Stolen Cash Head for Baghdad

So, do we now know where the stockpile of conventional weapons Saddam had went?

456 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 7:42:58am

re: #430 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

What if she also functions as a notary?

I vill zendt you to a votary grave

457 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2014 7:43:03am

This was mentioned earlier, here she is:

458 danarchy  Jun 13, 2014 7:43:28am

re: #451 Justanotherhuman

See #439. My fault for not reading the link. : ) Eventual “Boomtown” bust and living conditions aren’t worth moving there.

Eh, depends, if you are young and single it might be worth it for a few years to pay off some debt and maybe save up a down payment for a house. Apparently if you stick with it for a couple of years you are pretty much guaranteed 6 figures. Long term, not so much, wouldn’t want to be stuck there when the bottom falls out.

459 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 7:43:58am

re: #448 danarchy

It’s actually because of the oil and natural gas boom going on out there. Hard to get someone to work at walmart for $7 an hour when someone with no experience can get a job with one of the drilling companies starting at 60K a year. That’s why rent is so expensive out there too. They weren’t ready for the influx and companies are putting workers up in trailers and stuff. Even the fast food companies are paying north of $15/hr for entry level.

But rents are incredibly high, comparable with any major urban center, but without the amenities.

460 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 7:44:32am

re: #457 Backwoods_Sleuth

This was mentioned earlier, here she is:

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just add the term “openly gay” to make it correct

461 lawhawk  Jun 13, 2014 7:44:37am

re: #431 Justanotherhuman

Ed Snowden is no Matt Frewer. And he’s certainly got the ability to appear in person. Just turn yourself in to the US consulate/embassy and face the music for the espionage he engaged in.

462 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 7:44:55am
463 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 7:46:41am

re: #455 FemNaziBitch

So, do we now know where the stockpile of conventional weapons Saddam had went?

I think whatever gear saddam had stayed in Iraq, or at least the stuff that wasn’t destroyed. We’ve also been supplying the Iraqi government with equipment which ISIS has been scooping up as Iraqi forces flee.

464 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 7:46:58am

re: #453 FemNaziBitch

Some virus’s don’t run their course and die, they mutate and seek revenge:
ISIS, beheadings and the success of horrifying violence

So, there is a “core” of sociopaths who are attracting outsider, western sociopaths who feel no compunction in executing human beings under the guise of “beliefs” which is probably just an excuse for their bloodlust.

465 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 7:47:04am
466 lawhawk  Jun 13, 2014 7:48:52am

re: #432 Pie-onist Overlord

Boom towns go bust with alarming regularity.

When the oil plays out, the jobs will disappear too. Heck, the jobs will disappear even before the oil plays out because it takes fewer people to manage a developed site than to explore a new site.

Building up the infrastructure takes more people than what’s needed to maintain it.

It’s why the Keystone pipeline jobs figures are so overblown - the rush to build it leads to a bunch of jobs, but they move on once a segment is done, and there’s no jobs thereafter except a token maintenance group.

467 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 7:49:01am

re: #464 Justanotherhuman

So, there is a “core” of sociopaths who are attracting outsider, western sociopaths who feel no compunction in executing human beings under the guise of “beliefs” which is probably just an excuse for their bloodlust.

They are “grooming” vunerable young men as well.

And the GOP sees no reason to spend more on social services to try to prevent these young men from falling into the trap. It’s easier to incarcerate them. Produces more short-term profits.

468 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 7:49:46am

US shouldn’t provide military aid to Iraq, Clinton says

“That is not a role for the United States. There needs to be a number of steps that Maliki and his government must take to demonstrate that he’s committed to an inclusive Iraq—something he has not done up to date,” Clinton said.

Maliki must first demonstrate that he is a leader for all Iraqis, and “not just a sectarian slice of the country,” she added.

Clinton said the White House is sending a clear message to Iraq that the U.S. will provide the support it believes would be appropriate, and not succumb to Iraq’s demands

469 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 7:50:34am

re: #456 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I vill zendt you to a votary grave

Took me half a minute to get what you did there :D

470 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 7:50:47am

Polio eradicators struggle to prevent the next outbreak

Somalia, Syria, Cameroon—those are just some of the countries where polio re-emerged suddenly last year, paralyzing children and jeopardizing the plan to wipe polio off the face of the earth. In 2012, success seemed imminent, with global polio cases falling to an all-time low of 223. But in 2013, the virus jumped borders and set off outbreaks in eight countries that had already eliminated it, sending cases soaring to 407. Now, by creating a “Red List,” the Global Polio Eradication Initiative is trying to predict where future outbreaks will occur—and prevent them.

abstract

471 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 7:52:03am

re:
#461

No because know fair trial and NO because hed be tortured and sent to gitmo and wont have freedom to keep publicizing NSA ASSAULT and it would stop us from having the completely rational debate and conversation about surveillance policy that we’ve been forcing on the tyrants who spy on US!!!

472 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 7:52:05am
473 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 7:53:00am

I have to hope Law Enforcement has planned big stings in the Rape for Profit industry during this years World’s Cup.

474 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 7:54:07am

re: #464 Justanotherhuman

So, there is a “core” of sociopaths who are attracting outsider, western sociopaths who feel no compunction in executing human beings under the guise of “beliefs” which is probably just an excuse for their bloodlust.

The West could have been more active in cracking down on its own Jihadis.

475 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 13, 2014 7:54:40am

re: #456 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I vill zendt you to a votary grave

Ah, so if our nuns are escaping a downpour, they’d be a
watery rotary votary notary coterie.

476 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 7:55:06am

Yes, I’m feeling it.

Station: Chicago Area (Melrose Park), IL
Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Station Head(s): Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Date of Pollen and Mold Count: 06/13/2014

*********************************
Pollen & Mold Summary
*********************************
Trees: Low Concentration
Weeds: Absent
Grass: High Concentration
Mold: Very High Concentration

Other things are looking calm in my part of the world.

you?

477 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 7:55:30am

re: #475 wheat-dogghazi

Ah, so if our nuns are escaping a downpour, they’d be a
watery rotary votary notary coterie.

Why am I reminded of that song about a major general?

478 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 7:57:49am

re: #458 danarchy

Eh, depends, if you are young and single it might be worth it for a few years to pay off some debt and maybe save up a down payment for a house. Apparently if you stick with it for a couple of years you are pretty much guaranteed 6 figures. Long term, not so much, wouldn’t want to be stuck there when the bottom falls out.

With hyperinflation, you’re not going to be better off at Walmart, maybe worse, than elsewhere. What they don’t mention are the higher prices for commodities, rent, etc. : ) So, how can a person really save unless they are already making six figures and living as cheaply as possible?

479 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 7:58:20am

Steve M over at NoMoreMisterNiceBlog has some pertinent thoughts about Rand Paul, “Reform Conservatism”, and the Tea Party/David Brat:

“[Y]ou’re an idiot if you’ve ever believed that teabaggery is about anything other than defeating enemies (Democrats, insufficiently pure Republicans) and crushing liberalism…The real enemy is liberalism. That’s all they care about.”

nomoremister.blogspot.com

480 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 13, 2014 7:58:57am

re: #475 wheat-dogghazi

Ah, so if our nuns are escaping a downpour, they’d be a
watery rotary votary notary coterie.

Just as long as they’re not lobbing scimitars at people in order to provide legitimacy to a monarchy.

481 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 13, 2014 8:00:14am

re: #477 FemNaziBitch

Why am I reminded of that song about a major general?

I was thinking of Fox in Socks.

482 GeneJockey  Jun 13, 2014 8:00:21am

re: #480 Feline Fearless Leader

Just as long as they’re not lobbing scimitars at people in order to provide legitimacy to a monarchy.

After all, supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not some farcical aquatic ceremony.

483 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 13, 2014 8:00:21am

re: #476 FemNaziBitch

Yes, I’m feeling it.

Other things are looking calm in my part of the world.

you?

Cat went to vet to get her overdue rabies shot. She is currently off somewhere dozing — not happy about the trip at all and is hissing at the other cat as a result.

Muggy outside from recent rain. Time to go run errands shortly.

484 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 13, 2014 8:02:42am

re: #475 wheat-dogghazi

Ah, so if our nuns are escaping a downpour, they’d be a
watery rotary votary notary coterie.

Find a way to use pottery and lottery there.

485 blueraven  Jun 13, 2014 8:03:06am

re: #475 wheat-dogghazi

Ah, so if our nuns are escaping a downpour, they’d be a
watery rotary votary notary coterie.

Maybe they were escaping a flood in boats

then they would be watery rotary votary notary coterie in the boatery

486 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2014 8:04:29am

re: #431 Justanotherhuman

So, more of the whacked out think this is cute, desirable, and to be emulated?

“I, Robot”

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Hey…maybe Eddie is all computer generated. The Russians have already taken over the real Ed and all we get is this screen image from now on.

487 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 13, 2014 8:04:50am

re: #485 blueraven

Leaving the goatery free to pillage the oatery.

488 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 8:05:05am

re: #485 blueraven

Maybe they were escaping a flood in boats

then they would be watery rotary votary notary coterie in the boatery

If they opened a cafe on their boat it would be a watery rotary votary notary coterie boatery eatery

489 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 13, 2014 8:06:01am

re: #477 FemNaziBitch

How about this version?

Youtube Video

490 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 13, 2014 8:06:21am

re: #486 ObserverArt

Relevant, from my favorite movie.

Youtube Video

491 GeneJockey  Jun 13, 2014 8:10:24am

re: #483 Feline Fearless Leader

Cat went to vet to get her overdue rabies shot. She is currently off somewhere dozing — not happy about the trip at all and is hissing at the other cat as a result.

Muggy outside from recent rain. Time to go run errands shortly.

Our 18 year old Eskie - now officially deaf as a post, nearly blind - went to the vet the other day. Blood tests show her kidneys are getting weaker, and for couple days she seemed really old and tired. Slept a lot. Didn’t eat. Had to be carried the last 200 yards of a 1/2 mile walk.

We started thinking “Maybe it’s almost The Time”

Then, as she has several times before, she perked up again. Ate all her food, leaping in the air with excitement for our evening walk, made it all the way on a 3/4 mile walk without slowing, happy smile, bright eyes.

I’m starting to think she’s immortal. She may be drinking the blood of young Greyhounds at night….

492 sagehen  Jun 13, 2014 8:10:39am

re: #458 danarchy

Eh, depends, if you are young and single it might be worth it for a few years to pay off some debt and maybe save up a down payment for a house. Apparently if you stick with it for a couple of years you are pretty much guaranteed 6 figures. Long term, not so much, wouldn’t want to be stuck there when the bottom falls out.

But if you were from there originally, you could rack it up right quick. Work long hours, rent out your couch and your garage and that shed in the backyard… and by the time the bottom falls out, you’ve saved up enough to move to a place with no winter.

493 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 8:11:01am

Am I odd because I’ve never had the desire to gamble and wouldn’t go to a casino if you paid me? Actually, I did go to a Cherokee casino in the NC mtns once with my aunt and cousin just to see what the fuss was about, and we didn’t spend a penny, just walked around for a bit. I was sort of fascinated by the people who sat in the ambient light of the machines with stacks of coins sitting on the top. It’s the only legal gambling allowed in NC—machines.

Even a “resort” couldn’t lure me.

Massachusetts Gaming Commission awards state’s first full casino license to MGM Resorts, which intends to build a resort in Springfield, Mass. - @BostonDotCom
Read more on boston.com

494 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 8:14:25am

re: #493 Justanotherhuman

Am I odd because I’ve never had the desire to gamble and wouldn’t go to a casino if you paid me? Actually, I did go to a Cherokee casino in the NC mtns once with my aunt and cousin just to see what the fuss was about, and we didn’t spend a penny, just walked around for a bit. I was sort of fascinated by the people who sat in the ambient light of the machines with stacks of coins sitting on the top. It’s the only legal gambling allowed in NC—machines.

Even a “resort” couldn’t lure me.

Massachusetts Gaming Commission awards state’s first full casino license to MGM Resorts, which intends to build a resort in Springfield, Mass. - @BostonDotCom
Read more on boston.com

My late mother-in-law used to go to Atlantic City all the time for the comps: free meals, free shows, free hotel rooms. My brother-in-law went with her and used to check all the machines to see if there were any cards left in them that had any cash still on them. (I think that taking those cards is theft, they belong to the casino)

495 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 8:18:23am

re: #494 Pie-onist Overlord

I feel much the same, have never been to Las Vegas as an adult or casino customer, nor anywhere else.

496 GeneJockey  Jun 13, 2014 8:19:02am

So now I see McCain is blaming Obama for losing Iraq when “We had it won.” I’m not sure how having to leave a large contingent of troops there forever means you ‘have it won’.

497 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 13, 2014 8:19:27am

re: #493 Justanotherhuman

Am I odd because I’ve never had the desire to gamble and wouldn’t go to a casino if you paid me? Actually, I did go to a Cherokee casino in the NC mtns once with my aunt and cousin just to see what the fuss was about, and we didn’t spend a penny, just walked around for a bit. I was sort of fascinated by the people who sat in the ambient light of the machines with stacks of coins sitting on the top. It’s the only legal gambling allowed in NC—machines.

Even a “resort” couldn’t lure me.

Massachusetts Gaming Commission awards state’s first full casino license to MGM Resorts, which intends to build a resort in Springfield, Mass. - @BostonDotCom
Read more on boston.com

I stayed awake in math and statistics, understand the concept of a ‘negative sum game’. (Plus, I’m cheap and hate giving up my money). When I go to Vegas for the .NET conference each year, I bring some money if I get the urge to go play, but if I do I find the cheapest tables at some saw-dust joint, and if it’s gone, it’s gone.

The casinos have unlimited time and unlimited resources. They will win.

498 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 13, 2014 8:20:37am

re: #497 RealityBasedSteve

I stayed awake in math and statistics, understand the concept of a ‘negative sum game’. (Plus, I’m cheap and hate giving up my money). When I go to Vegas for the .NET conference each year, I bring some money if I get the urge to go play, but if I do I find the cheapest tables at some saw-dust joint, and if it’s gone, it’s gone.

The casinos have unlimited time and unlimited resources. They will win.

Yep. They somehow can even bankrupt Donald Trump.
// ;P

499 GeneJockey  Jun 13, 2014 8:21:58am

re: #497 RealityBasedSteve

I stayed awake in math and statistics, understand the concept of a ‘negative sum game’. (Plus, I’m cheap and hate giving up my money). When I go to Vegas for the .NET conference each year, I bring some money if I get the urge to go play, but if I do I find the cheapest tables at some saw-dust joint, and if it’s gone, it’s gone.

The casinos have unlimited time and unlimited resources. They will win.

Gambling as entertainment would require me to ignore everything I know about probability.

500 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 8:23:04am
501 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 8:23:58am
502 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 8:24:38am

re: #483 Feline Fearless Leader

Cat went to vet to get her overdue rabies shot. She is currently off somewhere dozing — not happy about the trip at all and is hissing at the other cat as a result.

Muggy outside from recent rain. Time to go run errands shortly.

Mine hides as soon has the crate comes out. Sometimes I don’t find him for days. Have had tor reschedule more vet appoints that I can remember.

Last time, I napped him with a pillowslip and had the crate waiting in the car.

He was not pleased.

503 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 8:25:39am

re: #495 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I feel much the same, have never been to Las Vegas as an adult or casino customer, nor anywhere else.

I used to work in downtown Detroit and walked through the lobby of the Greektown casino to get to my workplace in the building next door.

It was depressing to see people sitting at the slots at 6:30 AM.

504 lawhawk  Jun 13, 2014 8:25:58am

re: #501 Gus

505 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2014 8:26:33am

re: #496 GeneJockey

So now I see McCain is blaming Obama for losing Iraq when “We had it won.” I’m not sure how having to leave a large contingent of troops there forever means you ‘have it won’.

I think I would die of a heart attack if McCain came out and said we made a mistake militarily anywhere, ever.

Give him a gun, he surely can go win the Iraq war all by himself. Go get ‘em Johnny. Fool.

506 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 8:26:54am

re: #489 wheat-dogghazi

How about this version?

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Video

EXCELLENT!

507 blueraven  Jun 13, 2014 8:27:29am

re: #501 Gus

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McCain seems to gloss over the fact that the SOFA agreement with Iraq, stating we would pull all troops out by end of 2011 was negotiated by the Bush admin in 2008.

Obama just followed through. The fact that the Iraqi govt voted against a residual force also seems to elude him.

508 calochortus  Jun 13, 2014 8:29:14am

re: #492 sagehen

But if you were from there originally, you could rack it up right quick. Work long hours, rent out your couch and your garage and that shed in the backyard… and by the time the bottom falls out, you’ve saved up enough to move to a place with no winter.

Yes, but it is now an area full of single guys, guys who are married but left their wives and children hundreds of miles away, guys who are packed into expensive, overcrowded living quarters with nothing to do for entertainment but carouse with the other guys (or maybe fight with them.)
I’ve heard interviews with locals-women in particular-who don’t feel this has been much of an improvement for them, money or no money.

509 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 8:29:23am

re: #507 blueraven

McCain seems to gloss over the fact that the SOFA agreement with Iraq, stating we would pull all troops out by end of 2011 was negotiated by the Bush admin in 2008.

Obama just followed through. The fact that the Iraqi govt voted against a residual force also seems to elude him.

It does not elude him, he just knows that it eludes his constituency.

510 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 8:29:50am

re: #507 blueraven

McCain seems to gloss over the fact that the SOFA agreement with Iraq, stating we would pull all troops out by end of 2011 was negotiated by the Bush admin in 2008.

Obama just followed through. The fact that the Iraqi govt voted against a residual force also seems to elude him.

Yep. And they were already saying no, no, no, no.

That said. Got a memo yesterday. Conservatives don’t want us to bring up history or reality.

511 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 8:30:32am

re: #501 Gus

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See also;

512 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 8:30:36am

re: #492 sagehen

But if you were from there originally, you could rack it up right quick. Work long hours, rent out your couch and your garage and that shed in the backyard… and by the time the bottom falls out, you’ve saved up enough to move to a place with no winter.

This is not really a family-friendly social model that we want to promote, is it?

513 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 8:31:21am

THE TALIBAN, THE T-PARTY & THE TRUTH ABOUT AMERICA’S OWN DOMESTIC TERRORISTS

As I sit today and write to those who dare confront reality vs. fiction, there has been another tragic shooting in America that has been fueled by the hyperbolic rants of faux patriotism and outrageous lies from the Republican and T-Party chambers. It is a known fact that the GOP/T-Party trades on the hate, racism and ignorance of their followers to incite, ignite and control them into the frenzy that was witnessed in Nevada a few days ago. Unfortunately, the good guys with guns, lost. It is also a fact that our media sits silent with culpability while these atrocities occur, hoping for the next shot across the bow against democracy, and their never-ending quests for ratings gold. It is often said, that if you want to hide something from someone, “place it inside a book”. I’ve defied that cliche on more occasions than I can remember...knowledge is power & reading is always fundamental.

514 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 13, 2014 8:31:37am

re: #510 Gus

Yep. And they were already saying no, no, no, no.

That said. Got memo yesterday. Conservatives don’t want us to bring up history or reality.

It’s a little difficult to claim Iraq was stable and fine when their military just melts away in the face of the enemy, but people like McCain don’t actually act off of information about the region, but contrarianism towards Obama.

515 calochortus  Jun 13, 2014 8:32:04am

re: #493 Justanotherhuman

Am I odd because I’ve never had the desire to gamble and wouldn’t go to a casino if you paid me? Actually, I did go to a Cherokee casino in the NC mtns once with my aunt and cousin just to see what the fuss was about, and we didn’t spend a penny, just walked around for a bit. I was sort of fascinated by the people who sat in the ambient light of the machines with stacks of coins sitting on the top. It’s the only legal gambling allowed in NC—machines.

Even a “resort” couldn’t lure me.

Massachusetts Gaming Commission awards state’s first full casino license to MGM Resorts, which intends to build a resort in Springfield, Mass. - @BostonDotCom
Read more on boston.com

Nah, your not odd. I don’t enjoy gambling and I’m no good at it-even with matchsticks-because it bores me. I’m also not much interested in the shows and stuff. Fortunately neither is my husband so vacations tend to center around the Great Outdoors and we’re both happy.

516 CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2014 8:32:57am

re: #503 Pie-onist Overlord

I used to work in downtown Detroit and walked through the lobby of the Greektown casino to get to my workplace in the building next door.

It was depressing to see people sitting at the slots at 6:30 AM.

I’ve always disliked gambling, since long before I was Muslim. I lived in Atlantic City for almost a year before heading for NYC. The casinos disgusted me because they bring nothing good to people except those who own them, and they know—down to the penny—how much they’re going to make per head that comes through the door.

People go in there and destroy their lives. Yeah they do it by choice, but still. Then there’s all the other crap that comes along with the casinos: organized crime, prostitution, drugs, etc.

Ugh.

517 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 8:34:01am
“Taliban are no different than the T-Party, both have radical views on religion, government and women’s rights”.

QFT

518 wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2014 8:36:12am

re: #514 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

It’s a little difficult to claim Iraq was stable and fine when their military just melts away in the face of the enemy, but people like McCain don’t actually act off of information about the region, but contrarianism towards Obama.

Yeah, that’s stable like the hillside in Oso, Washington was stable. Then some rain fell on it.

519 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 8:37:03am
520 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 8:37:32am

re:
#510

David Brooks, writing in the ‘liberal’ NYT this morning, says “Obama didnt’ try hard enough” to get a status of forces agreement with Iraq.

Meanwhile, according to David Ignatius, writing in the ‘liberal’ Washington Post this morning, “the Obama Administration continues to provide [Maliki] with billions of dollars in military aid….”

So, it isn’t exactly like we haven’t been trying to still prop up the government there. The underlying problem is still the Sunni-Shiite divide. And of course, no one “could have predicted”—in 2003, or 2006, or 2009— that this would be a problem. //

521 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 8:37:35am

re: #516 CuriousLurker

I’ve always disliked gambling, since long before I was Muslim. I lived in Atlantic City for almost a year before heading for NYC. The casinos disgusted me because they bring nothing good to people except those who own them, and they know—down to the penny—how much they’re going to make per head that comes through the door.

People go in there and destroy their lives. Yeah they do it by choice, but still. Then there’s all the other crap that comes along with the casinos: organized crime, prostitution, drugs, etc.

Ugh.

I always thought it was TEH MOAST STUPID to build casinos in Detroit. They are these huge palaces on islands of luxury surrounded by squalor.

522 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 8:38:01am

Iraqi Insurgents Using Recycled Photos to Hype Captured Military Gear

“There has been quite a bit of ISIS propaganda,” said Col. Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman. “Many of the photos that we’re seeing on social media and other places are complete fabrications.”

Asked how the Pentagon knew some of the pictures were fabrications, Warren replied “because we found copies of the pictures elsewhere on the Internet.”

523 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 8:39:00am

re: #522 Killgore Trout

Iraqi Insurgents Using Recycled Photos to Hype Captured Military Gear

Tineye!

524 blueraven  Jun 13, 2014 8:39:42am

re: #517 FemNaziBitch

“Taliban are no different than the T-Party, both have radical views on religion, government and women’s rights”.

QFT

That is a bit hyperbolic. The T-Party hasn’t killed people, or thrown acid in girls faces as far as I know.

525 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 13, 2014 8:39:54am

re: #518 wrenchwench

Yeah, that’s stable like the hillside in Oso, Washington was stable. Then some rain fell on it.

The governmental appointments had been made largely on cronyism, the Sunni were being almost completely shut out of the political process, exacerbating the ethnic and religious tensions hugely, and the security forces/police were corrupt, kidnapping, imprisoning, and torturing people. For anyone that was paying attention, Iraq has been in dire straits ever since we invaded, and the government proceeded exactly as critics of the Iraq war predicted: dependent on the US, unable to really stand on its own but unable to admit that, weakened by sectarian strife, weakened further by US influence on the interim government and elections.

It’s really bizarre to see people who are being proved totally wrong about Iraq smug around and say “I told you so”. No. We told you so.

526 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 8:42:33am
528 CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2014 8:43:53am

re: #521 Pie-onist Overlord

I always thought it was TEH MOAST STUPID to build casinos in Detroit. They are these huge palaces on islands of luxury surrounded by squalor.

So it was in AC too. If you walked a few blocks inland from them you’d quickly find yourself in the ghetto, some of them almost in third world conditions. The worst part was that there really wasn’t much of any other work there. Pretty much everything that existed did so to support the casinos. If for some reason you couldn’t get work in the casinos, then you were relegated to working in a restaurant, bar, strip club, pawn shop, etc. Or selling drugs. Or prostitution.

529 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 8:44:25am

Former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi: ‘The belt of Baghdad has fallen’

Amanpour asked if we are seeing the end of Iraq as we know it.

“Probably”, replied Allawi. “It depends how it’s going to be handled. But I think we are moving to a Syrianization kind of situation”.

Are we moving in the direction of partition?

“Very possibly”, said Allawi.

Is Baghdad, Iraq’s capital, at risk?

“The belt of Baghdad has fallen”. Allawi stated. “The outskirts are under the control of the armed people, the militants, the Sunni militants… The government of Baghdad is unable to challenge this, the government is unable to prevent explosions inside Baghdad.”

530 Kragar  Jun 13, 2014 8:45:34am
531 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 8:46:08am

re: #526 Gus

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Are we taking bets? Tough call. I had been leaning towards no strikes but making a live announcement looks like he might go through with it.

532 blueraven  Jun 13, 2014 8:46:28am

re: #525 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

It’s really bizarre to see people who are being proved totally wrong about Iraq smug around and say “I told you so”. No. We told you so.

Exactly

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. Now let me be clear — I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaida. I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

Barack Obama - 2002

533 CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2014 8:47:07am

re: #527 FemNaziBitch

BTW, I thought you and maybe some of the other ladies here might be interested in this—it’s about gender bias in negotiating in business/the workplace: Lean Out: The Dangers for Women Who Negotiate

534 Slap  Jun 13, 2014 8:47:30am

re: #99 klys

I know I’m a bit late on this, but this stuff:

Link

Is freaking amazing. It will dissolve rubberized items if soaked full-strength, but on anything more solid (glass, steel, iron) it will melt sludge and all manner of crap. With minimal scrubbing, it will decimate grease and burned remnants. Non-toxic, but a powerful aroma. With a good soak, then a bit of baking soda and a mild scrub, crap disappears.

(FYI, not an employee or stockholder. Just a cheerleader.)

535 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 8:47:52am

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

536 bratwurst  Jun 13, 2014 8:50:21am

Ok, it’s official…the right is not willing to show evidence of having learned ANYTHING about Iraq:

537 Kragar  Jun 13, 2014 8:50:22am

re: #535 Pie-onist Overlord

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

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538 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 8:50:34am

Let’s invade Iraq again!!!!

539 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 13, 2014 8:50:36am

whitehouse.gov

Link to live briefing

540 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 13, 2014 8:52:50am

re: #535 Pie-onist Overlord

W

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

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My first question… is this even a thing… or is it like the “Million Truckers”…

541 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 13, 2014 8:53:04am

re: #535 Pie-onist Overlord

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

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I’d be perfectly okay with some of these ‘patriots’ heading over to Iraq to give ISIS the what-for. They’re aching to overthrow some tyranny, well, there’s some ripe for overthrowing. Of course, that would take more guts than waddling into Chipotle with a Bushmaster wearing camo cargo shorts and a Moron Lube t-shirt, so I won’t hold my breath.

542 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 8:53:09am

re: #532 blueraven

I’m opposed to dumb wars.

Yet here we are.

543 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 8:55:01am

Speaking from the lawn this morning. Interesting choice.

544 CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2014 8:55:26am

re: #541 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I’d be perfectly okay with some of these ‘patriots’ heading over to Iraq to give ISIS the what-for. They’re aching to overthrow some tyranny, well, there’s some ripe for overthrowing. Of course, that would take more guts than waddling into Chipotle with a Bushmaster wearing camo cargo shorts and a Moron Lube t-shirt, so I won’t hold my breath.

You don’t comment often, but when you do it’s almost always worth the wait! ;)

545 blueraven  Jun 13, 2014 8:55:45am

re: #542 Killgore Trout

Yet here we are.

There was a right and a wrong position leading up to the Iraq war.
John McCain and his ilk need to stop pretending.

We are still paying - big time- for their mistakes.

546 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 8:56:18am

Is this the announcement?
Pentagon Said to Plan Increased Surveillance Over Iraq

The Pentagon will announce today increased surveillance over Iraq, U.S. defense officials said.

The expanded surveillance, requested by Iraq’s government, will be unmanned and unarmed, according to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity in advance of the announcement.

547 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 8:57:05am

re: #546 Killgore Trout

Is this the announcement?
Pentagon Said to Plan Increased Surveillance Over Iraq

should have put a spoiler alert on that

548 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 8:57:51am

re: #541 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I’d be perfectly okay with some of these ‘patriots’ heading over to Iraq to give ISIS the what-for. They’re aching to overthrow some tyranny, well, there’s some ripe for overthrowing. Of course, that would take more guts than waddling into Chipotle with a Bushmaster wearing camo cargo shorts and a Moron Lube t-shirt, so I won’t hold my breath.

As relatively lightly armed as ISIS is (compared to an actual military force), I’d be willing to bet - were I betting man - that in all fairness, the “Patriots” who engaged ISIS would suffer no casualties whatsoever.

Why is that?

Because the instant someone from ISIS leveled his AK-47 and squeezed off one round, the “Patriots” would be running away in terror. Which itself would be darkly amusing, as the “Patriots” underwear would doubtlessly be quite full.

549 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 8:58:40am

Looks like a nice day in DC. I have some fond memories but I don’t miss the place much.

550 Kragar  Jun 13, 2014 8:58:43am

How long before they realize they need to put something down to keep the pages from blowing around?

551 sattv4u2  Jun 13, 2014 8:59:00am

re: #549 Killgore Trout

Looks like a nice day in DC. I have some fond memories but I don’t miss the place much.

They miss you though!!

552 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 9:00:06am

re: #527 FemNaziBitch

Victory! Iowa Supreme Court Reverses Conviction in Lambda Legal HIV Criminalization Case

Well, that’s good, and we are down to having to ask about a person’s sexual health in order to make an informed decision about whether or not to have sex with them. And some people are “offended” by being asked. What if they lie? And passion and desire often cloud our judgment. Yes, I’ve been there, done that.

I remember in the ’80s having a dentist who quit his practice because procedures he used resulting in finely disseminated blood which, at the time, they were told could transmit AIDS by breathing them in, even when wearing a mask. He had just had a baby (in his early 40s) and went into research instead. AIDS was scaring everyone.

553 sattv4u2  Jun 13, 2014 9:00:15am

re: #546 Killgore Trout

The Pentagon will announce today increased surveillance over Iraq, U.S. defense officials said.

Film at 11

and 12
and1
and 2
and 3
and ,,,,,

554 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 9:02:17am
555 Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2014 9:02:19am
556 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 9:03:18am

Intensive diplomacy! OMG!

557 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 9:03:42am

He’s taking questions.

558 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 13, 2014 9:03:50am

re: #552 Justanotherhuman

He had just had a baby (in his early 40s)

I like how you just completely glossed over the most interesting fact in your story.

559 sattv4u2  Jun 13, 2014 9:04:01am

re: #556 Killgore Trout

Intensive diplomacy! OMG!

Not to mention consulting the UN, who will then condemn Israel for something!

560 Slap  Jun 13, 2014 9:04:25am

re: #540 RealityBasedSteve

That actually looks like a pic from Rolling Thunder. (Isn’t that the Lee mansion behind them?)

561 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 9:04:43am

re: #553 sattv4u2


The Pentagon will announce today increased surveillance over Iraq, U.S. defense officials said.

Film at 11

and 12
and1
and 2
and 3
and ,,,,,

heh. It looks like the announcement is there will be more thinking and possibly future announcements.

562 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 9:04:45am

Awesome. It’s a wingnut morning at LGF. Like old times.

563 Kragar  Jun 13, 2014 9:05:10am
564 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 13, 2014 9:05:12am

re: #461 lawhawk

Ed Snowden is no Matt Frewer. And he’s certainly got the ability to appear in person. Just turn yourself in to the US consulate/embassy and face the music for the espionage he engaged in.

Maybe in a couple of years, but now Snowden wouldn’t be allowed to leave Russia if he wanted to, and another country was willing to grant him asylum.

He’s in Hotel Russia.

565 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 9:05:51am

Well. I got better things to do than be around this crap.

566 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 9:05:55am

re: #533 CuriousLurker

BTW, I thought you and maybe some of the other ladies here might be interested in this—it’s about gender bias in negotiating in business/the workplace: Lean Out: The Dangers for Women Who Negotiate

EXCELLENT! Thanks for sharing.

567 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 9:06:51am

re: #558 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I like how you just completely glossed over the most interesting fact in your story.

What do you mean? He stated plainly to me that he feared being infected by blood, contracting AIDS and not being alive to raise his child. He said that, and I thought at the time it was rather fearful. But it’s what dental professionals were being taught in seminars, which is where he told me he heard it.

568 sattv4u2  Jun 13, 2014 9:09:17am

re: #565 Gus

Well. I got better things to do than be around this crap.

ISIS butchers leave ‘roads lined with decapitated police and soldiers

Read more: dailymail.co.uk
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

yeah. The hell with that

Maybe Brian Fischer Tweeted something dumb this morning

569 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 13, 2014 9:09:45am

Now that Obama’s taken a position, the GOP and professional contrarians can start the backbiting. Before he said this, they didn’t really know where they stood.

There will probably be a variety—some of the more abstruse people will criticize him for saying we won’t send more troops into Iraq.

570 Kragar  Jun 13, 2014 9:10:29am

re: #568 sattv4u2

Maybe Brian Fischer Tweeted something dumb this morning

As opposed to his normal cogent and erudite messages?

571 sattv4u2  Jun 13, 2014 9:11:22am

re: #570 Kragar

As opposed to his normal cogent and erudite messages?

Nope. He’s pretty much a 24/7 dumb Tweeter

572 Slap  Jun 13, 2014 9:11:32am

re: #560 Slap

In fact (and DC Lizards, maybe you can confirm), the more I look at it, I’m pretty convinced this is a pic of these bikers coming into DC on Memorial Bridge from Arlington.

But that’s just like the Mexican border, right?////

573 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 13, 2014 9:12:20am

re: #567 Justanotherhuman

What do you mean? He stated plainly to me that he feared being infected by blood, contracting AIDS and not being alive to raise his child. He said that, and I thought at the time it was rather fearful. But it’s what dental professionals were being taught in seminars, which is where he told me he heard it.

Dude, he had a baby.

574 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 9:13:27am

The US is not going to involve itself in a military action before political considerations are taken into acct. (paraphrased)

I think Pres Obama has made it clear that Iraq needs to do everything it can in protecting itself before the US intervenes.

575 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 13, 2014 9:13:38am

re: #568 sattv4u2

ISIS butchers leave ‘roads lined with decapitated police and soldiers

Read more: dailymail.co.uk
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

yeah. The hell with that

Maybe Brian Fischer Tweeted something dumb this morning

He did!

He actually said two dumb things that are dumber when combined!

He actually ably demonstrates the pivot abilities of the GOP these days: going immediately from condemning Obama for inaction to advocating inaction. Now that Obama has said that he won’t be putting troops on the ground he’ll probably pivot again.

There’s a lot more we can do about Brian Fischer and his enormous influence over the GOP here in the US than we can do about ISIS in Iraq, as well.

576 Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2014 9:13:38am

re: #572 Slap

In fact (and DC Lizards, maybe you can confirm), the more I look at it, I’m pretty convinced this is a pic of these bikers coming into DC on Memorial Bridge from Arlington.

But that’s just like the Mexican border, right?////

Does not look like San Diego.

577 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 9:15:49am

re: #573 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Dude, he had a baby.

I’m not a dude, goddamnit, and yes, he had a baby. Technically, his wife delivered it, but he was very much involved with his child. If you have a problem with the way I stated it, that’s on you.

578 blueraven  Jun 13, 2014 9:16:05am

re: #568 sattv4u2

ISIS butchers leave ‘roads lined with decapitated police and soldiers

Read more: dailymail.co.uk
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

yeah. The hell with that

Maybe Brian Fischer Tweeted something dumb this morning

Yeah, that is awful. But if Al-Maliki won’t govern and the Iraq military won’t fight, what the hell are we supposed to do about it?

579 Kragar  Jun 13, 2014 9:17:00am

re: #576 Stanley Sea

Does not look like San Diego.

Personally, I’m more concerned about a Veteran with diagnosed mental health problems driving around San Diego with 3 loaded weapons in his car than I am about the fact a foreign nation holding him for violating their gun laws.

580 bubba zanetti  Jun 13, 2014 9:19:05am
581 Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2014 9:19:20am

ISIS might be decapitating police in Iraq - they’re a nasty bunch.

But anything that comes from the Daily Mail should be in the “automatically distrust” category.

The wingnuts’ favorite source for false and distorted news.

582 bubba zanetti  Jun 13, 2014 9:19:56am
583 Kragar  Jun 13, 2014 9:20:26am

re: #575 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

He did!

He actually said two dumb things that are dumber when combined!

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He actually ably demonstrates the pivot abilities of the GOP these days: going immediately from condemning Obama for inaction to advocating inaction. Now that Obama has said that he won’t be putting troops on the ground he’ll probably pivot again.

There’s a lot more we can do about Brian Fischer and his enormous influence over the GOP here in the US than we can do about ISIS in Iraq, as well.

Oh, its even dumber than you think:

584 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 13, 2014 9:22:06am

re: #582 bubba zanetti

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he actually looks like an old supply sergeant I knew….

RBS

585 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 9:22:21am

re: #583 Kragar

Oh, its even dumber than you think:

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Fischer couldn’t win a fight with a stuck jar lid.

586 wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2014 9:22:24am

A few days ago I was walking to work with a wall to my left. Suddenly there was a horrible screeching in my left ear. I looked into a hole in the wall and saw five wide beaks with fuzzy bodies behind them.

Today I stayed on the other side of the street and saw a swallow fly into and out of the hole.

587 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 9:22:34am

I wonder where they get this statistic from? Women, children & elderly are all “jihadists”?

588 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 9:23:19am

We didn’t learn much new this morning but I would have guessed that we’ve been flying surveillance over Iraq and Syria as standard operations but I guess that’s not the case. It also indicates to me that the White House never seriously considered Iraq’s request from months ago. at least not enough to do recon and see what’s going on.

589 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 13, 2014 9:23:51am

re: #586 wrenchwench

A few days ago I was walking to work with a wall to my left. Suddenly there was a horrible screeching in my left ear. I looked into a hole in the wall and saw five wide beaks with fuzzy bodies behind them.

Today I stayed on the other side of the street and saw a swallow fly into and out of the hole.

Kewl!!!!

RBS

590 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 9:24:45am

re:
#587

From their behinds.

591 CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2014 9:25:07am

re: #575 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Weird, I don’t remember screams of outrage about why we weren’t taking action when Africans were being raped and getting their arms & legs hacked off in Sierra Leone (or any of the other numerous brutal conflicts there since).

The right still has 2.5 more years of chasing & nipping at their own tails over Obama. Let ‘em knock themselves out.

Youtube Video

592 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 9:26:29am

You know who else spoke about a certain religion being a “contagion” that had to be “quarantined”? Not to go all Godwin here but…

593 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2014 9:26:34am

re: #509 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It does not elude him, he just knows that it eludes his constituency.

Yep, everyday he puts on his white apron and works the red meat counter.

Keeps the blood flowing in his pin head.

594 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 9:27:29am

re:
#583

Because nothing will convert the heathen secular humanist Muslims than bullets followed by Bryan Fischer’s “missionaries”. /

595 sattv4u2  Jun 13, 2014 9:28:12am

re: #581 Charles Johnson

ISIS might be decapitating police in Iraq - they’re a nasty bunch.

But anything that comes from the Daily Mail should be in the “automatically distrust” category.

The wingnuts’ favorite source for false and distorted news.

Other sources, same info

A top United Nations official warned today that the Islamic army that has taken over several Iraqi cities - and is known for beheading who it considers “unbelievers” - may have begun a massacre in the territory it now holds.

abcnews.go.com

ISIS, beheadings and the success of horrifying violence

washingtonpost.com

596 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 13, 2014 9:28:51am

It’s been a bad spring for the neighborhood rabbits.

The does like to nest in our fenced dog exercise yard, as the slats are wide enough to allow rabbit passage, but too narrow for the coyotes.

The German Shepherds would half-heartedly chase the mature rabbits, then sniff and ignore the kits. The current Lab-mix dog really tries but can’t catch the mature rabbits. However, she has killed two litters this spring.

Meanwhile the squirrel exercise-modules wait outside to give the dog a real workout.

597 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 13, 2014 9:29:00am

Oh great, McCain is on Bubbles Greenspan’s show right now saying Obama should get rid of his National Security team and bring in the Kagan’s and the architect of THE SURGE (tm). LOL.

598 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 13, 2014 9:29:45am

re: #592 Pie-onist Overlord

You know who else spoke about a certain religion being a “contagion” that had to be “quarantined”? Not to go all Godwin here but…

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How in the world does he manage to breath without somebody reminding him “Good air in…. Bad air out….”. And he’s not leading the RWNJ pack, he’s simply providing confirmation for what they already “know”.

RBS

599 wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2014 9:30:51am

re: #595 sattv4u2

Other sources, same info

A top United Nations official warned today that the Islamic army that has taken over several Iraqi cities - and is known for beheading who it considers “unbelievers” - may have begun a massacre in the territory it now holds.

abcnews.go.com

ISIS, beheadings and the success of horrifying violence

washingtonpost.com

ABC: “may have”.

Wapo: Quotes Daily Fail.

600 Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2014 9:30:57am

re: #595 sattv4u2

Maybe you missed the part where it said “the Washington Post was NOT ABLE TO CONFIRM” reports of mass beheadings?

601 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 9:31:40am

re: #582 bubba zanetti

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Yes, indeed…..a proud member of the Chairborne Rangers, LOL.

602 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 9:32:13am

Been thinking about the Iran angle; Iraq requested US help a few months ago and was rebuffed. If the reports are accurate they sought help from Iran instead. Will Obama’s new ultimatum for reforms make Iraq change their mind or will they just continue to seek help from Iran? I think they’ll go with Iran.

603 blueraven  Jun 13, 2014 9:33:14am

re: #588 Killgore Trout

We didn’t learn much new this morning but I would have guessed that we’ve been flying surveillance over Iraq and Syria as standard operations but I guess that’s not the case. It also indicates to me that the White House never seriously considered Iraq’s request from months ago. at least not enough to do recon and see what’s going on.

Your punditry based on wild speculation is as bad as McCain’s and the rest of the bunch.
You don’t know shit.

604 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 9:33:27am

re:
#587

So 80% of the 4000+ U.S. soldiers who died in Iraq died during Obama’s presidency?

Lolwhut?

605 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 13, 2014 9:33:35am

I just love how the assholes who championed putting the Shiites in power after Saddam’s fall are now wringing their hands over the Maliki Gov’t getting help from Iran.

606 wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2014 9:33:41am

Tip: if you’re using a human hand, you don’t need a coin for size reference. Anyone know where that coin is from?

607 Slap  Jun 13, 2014 9:33:53am

re: #535 Pie-onist Overlord

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

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DINGDINGDINGDING. I know it’s a surprise to all, but we have another example of RW dipshits disingenuously using unrelated graphics to try an illustrate their “points”. A google search quickly confirms this was a photo from Rolling Thunder:

Link

And these:

Link

Link

608 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 9:33:54am

Oh look it’s our old friend Inez with MOAR DERP

609 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 13, 2014 9:34:57am

re: #587 Pie-onist Overlord

I don’t get on Twitter much any more or I would light that guys idiocy up like a bonfire.

610 Eventual Carrion  Jun 13, 2014 9:35:01am

re: #381 Targetpractice

Because crumbling roads are worth dealing with if we can save a few cents per gallon!

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It will be fine come winter. The roads will be covered in a foot of snow since there will be no money to plow them either, so that will fill in the potholes.

611 sattv4u2  Jun 13, 2014 9:35:05am

re: #600 Charles Johnson

Maybe you missed the part where it said “the Washington Post was NOT ABLE TO CONFIRM” reports of mass beheadings?

Didn’t miss is at all

I also didn’t miss where it;s widely being reported by sites on all sides of the political spectrum, as well as all parts fo the world

612 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 9:35:16am

I don’t know how it is even possible to go to college and become EVEN MOAR STUPID but Inez has accomplished it.

613 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2014 9:36:13am

re: #524 blueraven

That is a bit hyperbolic. The T-Party hasn’t killed people, or thrown acid in girls faces as far as I know.

They have a longer history of it. This country hasn’t had the equal of the Taliban thinking until the past 40* or so years. I’m sure if they continue on the path they are on we can catch up. After all, you did read about the one American Taliban Wannabee talking about stoning the gays. Or, maybe throwing women that have abortions into jail. Or, what about continuing to claim the Constitution is based on the Bible and maybe needs even more strict Christian interpretations.

* The Jesus Freak movement of the early 70s seemed to have kicked it off and each year it progresses. Glossing over it just gives that thinking base to establish.

614 wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2014 9:36:32am

re: #611 sattv4u2

Didn’t miss is at all

I also didn’t miss where it;s widely being reported by sites on all sides of the political spectrum, as well as all parts fo the world

Maybe you can find a credible link then?

615 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 9:36:51am

American’s are not going to support any more war at this point.

We’ll hear all about how the same thing happened in Vietnam when America lost her will after Watergate and we let Communism win. And on and on and on and on . .

616 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 9:37:07am

re: #612 Pie-onist Overlord

I don’t know how it is even possible to go to college and become EVEN MOAR STUPID but Inez has accomplished it.

Is she a Liberty University alumni, perhaps?

617 Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2014 9:37:24am

re: #611 sattv4u2

Uh, no. It isn’t. The mass beheading stories are all originating from one source.

I have no idea why you seem to want this story to be true so badly that you’ll ignore the fact that it has not been confirmed.

618 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 9:37:25am

re: #611 sattv4u2

Didn’t miss is at all

I also didn’t miss where it;s widely being reported by sites on all sides of the political spectrum, as well as all parts fo the world

UN has fallen for the wingnut propaganda
UN Warns of War Crimes, Atrocities in Iraq

illay said in a statement Friday that her office also is hearing of summary executions and extrajudicial killings as fighters from the al-Qaida-inspired Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant overran a succession of major Iraqi towns and cities this week.

619 calochortus  Jun 13, 2014 9:37:27am

re: #611 sattv4u2

Didn’t miss is at all

I also didn’t miss where it;s widely being reported by sites on all sides of the political spectrum, as well as all parts fo the world

Yes, but is it all from the same source or being verified by multiple sources independently?

620 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 9:37:28am

re: #613 ObserverArt

They have a longer history of it. This country hasn’t had the equal of the Taliban thinking until the past 40* or so years. I’m sure if they continue on the path they are on we can catch up. After all, you did read about the one American Taliban Wannabee talking about stoning the gays. Or, maybe throwing women that have abortions into jail. Or, what about continuing to claim the Constitution is based on the Bible and maybe needs even more strict Christian interpretations.

* The Jesus Freak movement of the early 70s seemed to have kicked it off and each year it progresses. Glossing over it just gives that thinking base to establish.

Thank you for responding.

621 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 9:38:09am

re: #616 Dr Lizardo

Is she a Liberty University alumni, perhaps?

When we were all making fun of her a year ago, she was an intern at Heritage foundation and attending law school at UVA.

622 Eventual Carrion  Jun 13, 2014 9:38:16am

re: #384 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Privatize the roads and we won’t have to spend taxpayer dollars on maintaining them!!!

Yep, it will just cost $10 a day in tolls to get back and forth to work. $50 a week, $2500 a year just to get back and forth to work.

623 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 9:38:44am

re:
#575

He actually ably demonstrates the pivot abilities of the GOP these days: going immediately from condemning Obama for inaction to advocating inaction. Now that Obama has said that he won’t be putting troops on the ground he’ll probably pivot again.

Wingnut “principles”.

624 Decatur Deb  Jun 13, 2014 9:39:10am

re: #587 Pie-onist Overlord

I wonder where they get this statistic from? Women, children & elderly are all “jihadists”?

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Rectal archive.

625 wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2014 9:39:32am

re: #618 Killgore Trout

UN has fallen for the wingnut propaganda
UN Warns of War Crimes, Atrocities in Iraq

I thought we were specifically talking about beheadings.

626 CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2014 9:39:37am

re: #614 wrenchwench

Maybe you can find a credible link then?

Should be fairly easy. It’s not as if those guys are shy about showing off their atrocities. I mean the whole point of it is to scare the living daylights out of whoever’s left, right? Like the Mongols did?

627 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 9:40:18am

re: #621 Pie-onist Overlord

When we were all making fun of her a year ago, she was an intern at Heritage foundation and attending law school at UVA.

A Michelle Bachmann clone?

628 Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2014 9:40:32am

re: #625 wrenchwench

I thought we were specifically talking about beheadings.

We were.

629 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 9:40:34am

cnn.com

Among other complications, U.S. officials don’t have good intelligence about where militants are. Even if they did, the militants don’t have the type of targets — command and control centers, air defense sites, military bases — that lend themselves to aerial attacks, the officials said on condition of not being identified.

630 blueraven  Jun 13, 2014 9:40:42am

re: #613 ObserverArt

They have a longer history of it. This country hasn’t had the equal of the Taliban thinking until the past 40* or so years. I’m sure if they continue on the path they are on we can catch up. After all, you did read about the one American Taliban Wannabee talking about stoning the gays. Or, maybe throwing women that have abortions into jail. Or, what about continuing to claim the Constitution is based on the Bible and maybe needs even more strict Christian interpretations.

* The Jesus Freak movement of the early 70s seemed to have kicked it off and each year it progresses. Glossing over it just gives that thinking base to establish.

When they actually do it let me know.
Look, I don’t like defending the Tea Party, but come on. They are not the fucking Taliban.

631 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2014 9:41:15am

re: #530 Kragar

Ted Nugent compares Jewish Congressman Eric Cantor to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels

Chomp…chomp…they are eating their own. The moderates (if there are any that aren’t too chicken to stand up) have a inter-party war for control on their hands.

It almost seems like the Tea Party has set its sights on taking down the GOP.

Good luck Boehner. You are next. Pitchforks outside the door…

632 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 9:41:19am

re:
#622

Hurr hurr UR classes warfare!! if U dont wont to pay your personal responsibility tolls than stay home lazee deadbeet@!!!

633 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 9:41:24am
634 sattv4u2  Jun 13, 2014 9:41:42am

re: #614 wrenchwench

Maybe you can find a credible link then?

Human Rights Watch believes it’s a distinct possibility based on ISIS behaviour up till now

hrw.org

And , take your pick

google.com

635 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 9:41:52am

re: #627 FemNaziBitch

A Michelle Bachmann clone?

Ann Coulter wannabee.

636 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 9:41:54am

re: #622 Eventual Carrion

Yep, it will just cost $10 a day in tolls to get back and forth to work. $50 a week, $2500 a year just to get back and forth to work.

but think of how much more you will earn when government taxes and regulation does not strangle economic growth!

/

637 Ian G.  Jun 13, 2014 9:42:32am

re: #583 Kragar

Oh, its even dumber than you think:

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Wasn’t the problem in 2003 that we sent in fruitcakes from Bryan’s favorite “universities” to “witness” to Muslims instead of people who, you know, understood how to rebuild a freakin’ country?

I’m sure it will work better “next time”.

638 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 9:43:10am

RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM OF ANY FLAVOR IS DEADLY TO WOMEN.

rinse. repeat

No, Tea Party Whackos have not thrown acid in women’s faces in this country AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO GAIN SUCH POWER.

this is SERIOUS SHIT. Right here, on US soil, home grown. Don’t let hatred and xenophobia distract us from what is right under our noses.

639 Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2014 9:43:15am

re: #634 sattv4u2

You do understand the difference between a “distinct possibility” and a “confirmed fact,” don’t you?

640 calochortus  Jun 13, 2014 9:44:07am

re: #632 Bulworth

re:
#622

Hurr hurr UR classes warfare!! if U dont wont to pay your personal responsibility tolls than stay home lazee deadbeet@!!!

Hmmm, Personal Responsibility Tolls. They sound almost like…taxes.

641 freetoken  Jun 13, 2014 9:44:18am

He’s back:

ROMNEY: ALL US FOUGHT FOR IN IRAQ COULD VANIS

Republican Mitt Romney is criticizing President Barack Obama’s handling of foreign policy.

Romney is telling financial backers at his annual summit in Utah that what the U.S. fought for in Iraq is, quote, “on the cusp of vanishing.”

The 2012 GOP presidential nominee says that the foreign policy agenda pushed by Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton has been a “monumental bust.”

Romney says as a result, Syria is in its third year of civil war, North Korea has carried out nuclear missile tests and Russia has captured Crimea.

He says Obama failed to secure an agreement to retain troops in Iraq and “tragically” all that the U.S. fought for in the Middle East conflict could vanish.

Yeah, all the world’s problems are Obama’s fault, because we don’t rule the world at the end of tank barrel.

642 sattv4u2  Jun 13, 2014 9:44:46am

re: #639 Charles Johnson

You do understand the difference between a “distinct possibility” and a “confirmed fact,” don’t you?


In May, before ISIS gained control of Mosul, Human Rights Watch had documented numerous abuses against local civilians by the group in the city and surrounding areas over the previous six months. These included 10 summary executions, two kidnappings, several attacks on journalists, and enforced taxation of local businesse

643 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 9:45:11am

re: #639 Charles Johnson

You do understand the difference between a “distinct possibility” and a “confirmed fact,” don’t you?

The difference between intelligence thinking there were WMD’s in Iraq and Intelligence having verified there were WMD’s in Iraq?

644 Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2014 9:46:12am

re: #642 sattv4u2

What does that have to do with the Daily Mail’s report of “mass beheadings?”

Answer: nothing.

645 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 13, 2014 9:46:13am

It’s completely possible there have been beheadings. Seems like a weird point to red-facedly insist must be happening. The reality of radical Islamic militaries taking over cities in Iraq is pretty extremely awful and terrible enough already without specific gory details.

646 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 9:47:17am

re: #645 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

It’s completely possible there have been beheadings. Seems like a weird point to red-facedly insist must be happening. The reality of radical Islamic militaries taking over cities in Iraq is pretty extremely awful and terrible enough already without specific gory details.

Instituting Religious Law is all anyone should need to hear.

647 Ian G.  Jun 13, 2014 9:48:08am

re: #592 Pie-onist Overlord

You know who else spoke about a certain religion being a “contagion” that had to be “quarantined”? Not to go all Godwin here but…

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If Bryan’s worried about domestic terrorism, the first people who should be “quarantined” are armed-to-the-teeth white men who watch FOX News.

648 Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2014 9:48:34am

re: #645 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

That’s exactly what I said - it might be happening, but the sources reporting it have a long track record of right wing pandering, lying and exaggeration.

649 Kragar  Jun 13, 2014 9:48:49am

re: #641 freetoken

Obviously Romney is concerned about Iraq because of how much the Romney family sacrificed during the war.
/

650 Romantic Heretic  Jun 13, 2014 9:49:26am

re: #457 Backwoods_Sleuth

And even better that wingnut Hudak didn’t become premier.

I remember what happened to me the last time a ‘conservative’ was Premier here. I still have scars.

651 wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2014 9:49:48am
652 Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2014 9:51:04am

Sorry, the days when someone could post a HORRIFIC MASS BEHEADING story from the Daily Fail at LGF and everyone would take it at face value are… over.

653 wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2014 9:52:16am

re: #652 Charles Johnson

Sorry, the days when someone could post a HORRIFIC MASS BEHEADING story from the Daily Fail at LGF and everyone would take it at face value are… over.

FTFme, for one.

654 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 9:52:42am

I wonder how many wingnuts understand the Sunni/Shiite schism and how it plays out theologically and politically/culturally.

655 CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2014 9:52:56am

re: #645 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

It’s completely possible there have been beheadings. Seems like a weird point to red-facedly insist must be happening. The reality of radical Islamic militaries taking over cities in Iraq is pretty extremely awful and terrible enough already without specific gory details.

That’s the whole point, isn’t it? These assholes carry video cameras around and film every damned thing to use as propaganda for later, so it’s odd that there’s no confirmed evidence.

Hell, remember Kenneth Bigley? That was in Iraq and they proudly showed off the video of his beheading, though it was a different group, IIRC.

656 Kragar  Jun 13, 2014 9:53:25am

re: #652 Charles Johnson

Sorry, the days when someone could post a HORRIFIC MASS BEHEADING story from the Daily Fail at LGF and everyone would take it at face value are… over.

Commie.
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657 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 9:54:59am

re: #631 ObserverArt

Chomp…chomp…they are eating their own. The moderates (if there are any that aren’t too chicken to stand up) have a inter-party war for control on their hands.

It almost seems like the Tea Party has set its sights on taking down the GOP.

Good luck Boehner. You are next. Pitchforks outside the door…

Doesn’t Nugent live in Idaho? Wouldn’t be surprised if he has ties to white supremacists there.

658 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2014 9:55:45am

re: #588 Killgore Trout

We didn’t learn much new this morning but I would have guessed that we’ve been flying surveillance over Iraq and Syria as standard operations but I guess that’s not the case. It also indicates to me that the White House never seriously considered Iraq’s request from months ago. at least not enough to do recon and see what’s going on.

I’m sorry. Can you tell me what you are really stating with that comment?

By the way, what source do you have for what the Defense Department is up to?

659 Kragar  Jun 13, 2014 9:56:33am

Next up, Charles will say anonymous sources from partisan reporters with dubious records won’t immediately be accepted as the final word on a subject.

660 blueraven  Jun 13, 2014 9:57:04am

re: #655 CuriousLurker

That’s the whole point, isn’t it? These assholes carry video cameras around and film every damned thing to use as propaganda for later, so it’s odd that there’s no confirmed evidence.

Hell, remember Kenneth Bigley? That was in Iraq and they proudly showed off the video of his beheading, though it was a different group, IIRC.

They wan’t to create FEAR and it is working beautifully. We are so spooked by every goddamn group that says boo, it makes me sick.

OMG…those 5 Taliban members we released will kill us all!!!

661 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 9:57:26am

Little Rock 9:

By the end of September 1957, the nine were admitted to Little Rock Central High under the protection of the U.S. Army (and later the Arkansas National Guard), but they were still subjected to a year of physical and verbal abuse (being spat on and called names) by many of the white students. Melba Pattillo had acid thrown into her eyes[9] and also recalled in her book, Warriors Don’t Cry, an incident in which a group of white girls trapped her in a stall in the girls’ washroom and attempted to burn her alive by dropping pieces of flaming paper on her from above. Another one of the students, Minnijean Brown, was verbally confronted and abused.

The Face of American Hatred:
http://expositionmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Elizabeth_Eckford_Licence-to-Hate.jpg

662 Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2014 9:57:58am

re: #659 Kragar

Next up, Charles will say anonymous sources from partisan reporters with dubious records won’t immediately be accepted as the final word on a subject.

I’m weird that way.

663 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2014 9:58:45am

re: #659 Kragar

Next up, Charles will say anonymous sources from partisan reporters with dubious records won’t immediately be accepted as the final word on a subject.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate…

664 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 9:58:49am
665 Flounder  Jun 13, 2014 9:59:15am

wow

666 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 9:59:28am

It’s over man. The 101st Fighting Keyboards are defunct! Hahahahaha!

667 bratwurst  Jun 13, 2014 9:59:44am

re: #654 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I wonder how many wingnuts understand the Sunni/Shiite schism and how it plays out theologically and politically/culturally.

There is a legend that up until shortly before the invasion, George W. Bush himself did not realize there were two different types of Muslims in the region. It was repeated earlier this year by Fareed Zakaria here. I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if this were true.

668 Kragar  Jun 13, 2014 10:00:16am

re: #663 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It would be irresponsible not to speculate…

The possibility that an incident may have occurred is proof it occurred.

Lack of evidence proves a cover up was ordered.

669 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 10:00:17am

I just can’t even.

670 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 10:00:35am

Stocks turn positive after President Obama says US troops would not be sent to Iraq - @NBCNewsBusiness
Read more on nbcnews.com

671 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 10:01:24am

CAPTION FAIL

672 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 10:03:19am

Chickenhawks R Us

673 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 13, 2014 10:03:26am

re: #669 Pie-onist Overlord

I just can’t even.

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well, if you’re willing to wait several million years, it renews… sorta.

RBS

674 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 10:04:02am

re: #665 Flounder

wow

OUTRAGE!

Hahahahahaha!

675 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 10:04:09am

Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio to hold press conference at 4 pm ET on Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl - @DanLinden
see original on twitter.com

676 lawhawk  Jun 13, 2014 10:04:21am

Misinformation, unverified reports, and sole-source reporting? This is what passes as definitive news for what’s happening in Iraq, especially in reference to mass beheadings and other atrocities alleged of ISIS in their march towards Baghdad?

Is it plausible that they’ve committed atrocities? Absolutely. They’ve been known to do so in the past and the reports of reports are enough to get the UN concerned about atrocities.

Is it plausible they’ve done so again, but this time en masse? Again, it’s plausible. Something like a mass beheading would leave evidence that could be verified. Sole sourcing news reports isn’t it (and everyone linking back to the sole source isn’t verification either). Nothing has been verified to date. They also benefit from the fear that it inspires in other Iraqis to either flee or submit to their rule. They seek to rule through fear, intimidation, and violence.

It’s the same thing with photos of gear ISIS claims to have picked up as the Iraqi army folded. Tanks? Helicopters? SAM systems? It’s all plausible, but we’ve also seen that ISIS and their sycophants (or those who are agitating for the US to again reenter Iraq on the ground for that matter) aren’t above trickery to make people think that they’ve captured equipment that isn’t even in the Iraqi military inventory (as the US DoD indicated that the Iraqis don’t have Black Hawk helicopters and other gear that have unknown attributions, or even original sourcing on DoD computers. They’re using recycled photos online to their benefit. Some gear has fallen into their hands, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be taking a critical eye to all the reports coming in about what they’ve got their hands on, let alone the tweets of what they’ve got.

And the Iraqi military has crumbled against this group, even though they outnumber them by a wide margin.

677 sattv4u2  Jun 13, 2014 10:05:30am

Ah well

Seeing this is my “day off” and having just spent 7 hours at work on my “day off”, the long quiet drive home DEFINITELY is beckoning

678 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 10:05:35am

re:
#671

Ooops.

679 Kid A  Jun 13, 2014 10:06:14am
680 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2014 10:06:32am

re: #615 FemNaziBitch

American’s are not going to support any more war at this point.

We’ll hear all about how the same thing happened in Vietnam when America lost her will after Watergate and we let Communism win. And on and on and on and on . .

Yeah, remember the time we were all prepared to stop Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge? And then people heard about the Killing Fields and called for American actions to stop all that murdering.

It is just like today with AQ, the Taliban and this new group ISIS.

Where was McCain!!!

///

681 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 10:07:59am

re:
#675

Traitor deserter we haz PROUFF have him shot HOmeland wannabe!!

—-

WHI whont Obummer save Iraq?!?!?!

682 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 10:09:10am

Conservatives idea of free speech is just being able to spew conservative talking points.

683 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2014 10:09:13am

re: #625 wrenchwench

I thought we were specifically talking about beheadings.

Mission creep.

/

684 Flounder  Jun 13, 2014 10:09:31am

re: #669 Pie-onist Overlord

Make it into black gold!

Pet coke is resold for producing asphalt

cbc.ca

685 blueraven  Jun 13, 2014 10:09:38am
686 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 10:10:44am

re: #682 Gus

Conservatives idea of free speech is just being able to spew conservative talking points bullshit without anyone calling them on it.

FTFY.

687 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 10:11:07am

re: #658 ObserverArt

I’m sorry. Can you tell me what you are really stating with that comment?

By the way, what source do you have for what the Defense Department is up to?

cnn.com

Among other complications, U.S. officials don’t have good intelligence about where militants are. Even if they did, the militants don’t have the type of targets — command and control centers, air defense sites, military bases — that lend themselves to aerial attacks, the officials said on condition of not being identified.

688 CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2014 10:11:17am

re: #682 Gus

Conservatives idea of free speech is just being able to spew conservative talking points.

And right on cue… LOL

690 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 10:11:59am

re: #686 Dr Lizardo

FTFY.

Slippery slope! Outrage! :D :D :D

691 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 10:12:54am
692 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 10:13:01am

Caring.

693 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 10:14:50am

re:
#691

Freedom! American Exceptionalism!!1 USA!!!1

694 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 10:15:37am
695 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 10:16:45am

Wingnuts want to declare war on Sudan because of Meriam Ibrahim.
Wingnuts want to declare war on Mexico because of Tahmooressi.
Wingnuts want to declare war on Canada because they fart and talk funny.

696 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 10:17:03am

re: #693 Bulworth

re:
#691

Freedom! American Exceptionalism!!1 USA!!!1

We care about Muslims! Hahahahaha!

697 freetoken  Jun 13, 2014 10:17:44am

re: #695 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts want to declare war on Canada because they fart and talk funny.

Eh?

698 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 10:18:31am
699 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 10:18:45am

re: #697 freetoken

Eh?

BLAME CANADA!!!!

700 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 10:19:21am

Conservatives care about as much about Muslims then they do about Jews. Same old bullshit but on the same end-times and control freak branch. This includes the weird atheist-Randian-Christian alliance that they formed with certain famous atheists during the march to war in 2003.

701 Kragar  Jun 13, 2014 10:20:05am
702 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 10:20:16am
703 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 10:22:43am

re: #701 Kragar

It’s “official and has been confirmed” that Obama is preparing a drone strike on the Tea Party

Youtube Video

704 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2014 10:23:00am

re: #630 blueraven

When they actually do it let me know.
Look, I don’t like defending the Tea Party, but come on. They are not the fucking Taliban.

Yet. But, let me ask you this. If they could set up some Taliban like laws would they give it a shot?

And if you answer yes, how far would it go and could go?

Not to go Godwin. But I bet there were some very similar comments to yours back in the late 20s that Germany could never do what they did.

How does that kind of evil thinking start anyway? Answer…slow and on the down-low until it gets out of hand. Groups of people thinking ‘others’ are the cause of their problems. And then you get a group think going and then mob thinking. And then it ramps up until it gets out of control.

Are you willing to say it will never ever happen? If not, why not? And if so, how can you be so sure?

Maybe thinking we have some people that have the roots growing and could turn evil is good to do. And that is exactly what many are doing. Being cautious doesn’t hurt anything.

EDIT TO ADD: By the way…I don’t think all comments about an American Taliban is all about ALL Tea Party members. They make up a part. And if they don’t get their way, they will be heard one way or the other until that thinking gets stopped.

705 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 10:23:10am

re: #702 Pie-onist Overlord

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Ayn Rand. Now more popular with white Christian Americans than ever.

706 Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2014 10:23:12am

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL

Vamos Mexico!

707 blueraven  Jun 13, 2014 10:23:28am

re: #588 Killgore Trout

We didn’t learn much new this morning but I would have guessed that we’ve been flying surveillance over Iraq and Syria as standard operations but I guess that’s not the case. It also indicates to me that the White House never seriously considered Iraq’s request from months ago. at least not enough to do recon and see what’s going on.

wrong again

U.S. Secretly Flying Drones Over Iraq

The U.S. since last year has been secretly flying unmanned surveillance aircraft in small numbers over Iraq to collect intelligence on insurgents, according to U.S. officials.

The program was limited in size and proved little use to U.S. and Iraqi officials when Islamist fighters moved swiftly this week to seize two major Iraqi cities, the officials said.

Before the Islamist offensive, the program was expanded based on growing U.S. and Iraqi concerns about the expanded military activities of al Qaeda-linked fighters.

Officials wouldn’t say what types of drones were being used but said the flights were conducted only for surveillance purposes. The program was launched with the consent of the Iraqi government.

708 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 10:23:53am

Which, come to think of it. I bet it’s mostly white Christian males that want to go back to 2003 along with some neo-classical liberal atheists. :D

709 blueraven  Jun 13, 2014 10:25:08am

re: #704 ObserverArt

Yet. But, let me ask you this. If they could set up some Taliban like laws would they give it a shot?

And if you answer yes, how far would it go and could go?

Not to go Godwin. But I bet there were some very similar comments to yours back in the late 20s that Germany could never do what they did.

How does that kind of evil thinking start anyway? Answer…slow and on the down-low until it gets out of hand. Groups of people thinking ‘others’ are the cause of their problems. And then you get a group think going and then mob thinking. And then it ramps up until it gets out of control.

Are you willing to say it will never ever happen? If not, why not? And if so, how can you be so sure?

Maybe thinking we have some people that have the roots growing and could turn evil is good to do. And that is exactly what many are doing. Being cautious doesn’t hurt anything.

that is enough.

710 wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2014 10:25:13am

re: #708 Gus

Which, come to think of it. I bet it’s mostly white Christian males that want to go back to 2003 along with some neo-classical liberal atheists. :D

Dudebrocons.

711 jaunte  Jun 13, 2014 10:25:51am

I see the undead “Clash of Civilizations” rhetoric is shambling around.

712 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 10:26:10am

re: #705 Gus

Ayn Rand. Now more popular with white Christian Americans than ever.

Ayn Rand is no doubt rolling in her grave.

713 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 10:26:13am

re: #710 wrenchwench

Dudebrocons.

Neo-classical dudebros.

714 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 10:26:26am

Paleo-liberals?

715 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 10:27:47am

re: #711 jaunte

I see the undead “Clash of Civilizations” rhetoric is shambling around.

Yep. Victor Davis Hanson is ready when you are.

716 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 10:27:54am

re: #708 Gus

Which, come to think of it. I bet it’s mostly white Christian males that want to go back to 2003 along with some neo-classical liberal atheists. :D

They want to go back before 1787 and make sure the Constitution is written without any doubt to the disenfranchisement of anyone but landowning white men.

717 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 10:28:03am

Who was the other one similar to VDH?

718 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2014 10:28:34am

re: #642 sattv4u2


In May, before ISIS gained control of Mosul, Human Rights Watch had documented numerous abuses against local civilians by the group in the city and surrounding areas over the previous six months. These included 10 summary executions, two kidnappings, several attacks on journalists, and enforced taxation of local businesse

Not unlike some of the stuff our own soldiers pulled in Afghanistan, and most likely in Iraq.

719 freetoken  Jun 13, 2014 10:28:35am

re: #702 Pie-onist Overlord

So many times the “grass roots” are shown to be nothing but pawns of the rich and powerful.

720 jaunte  Jun 13, 2014 10:28:41am

re: #715 Gus

Grecian phalanxes, oiled and ready.

721 CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2014 10:28:56am

Creepy realization: It just dawned on me that it’s not the acts of terrorism themselves or righteously avenging/preventing the deaths of innocents that seems to inflame the passions of the right-wingers, but rather the notion of going to a Muslim country and shedding blood, “collateral damage” be damned.

Disturbing.

722 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 10:29:22am

Hey, Dudebros! You’re on our side, right?

723 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 10:29:51am

re: #705 Gus

Ayn Rand. Now more popular with white Christian Americans than ever.

724 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 10:31:22am

re: #707 blueraven

The program was limited in size and proved little use to U.S. and Iraqi officials when Islamist fighters moved swiftly this week to seize two major Iraqi cities, the officials said.

Yes, we are in agreement. The program was limited to the point of being useless and is only now being ramped up, not last month when the Iraqis requested help. To me that indicates the administration didn’t get very far in considering the Iraqi request, at least not enough to increase surveillance to see what kind of help could be needed.

725 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2014 10:31:46am

re: #646 FemNaziBitch

Instituting Religious Law is all anyone should need to hear.

Do people understand what the Holy Roman crusades were all about? I bet the people in the Middle East know. And that may have started the whole thing historically.

Onward Christian Soldiers.

Oh but wait…that happened so long ago. It could never happen again. Until it happens again.

726 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 10:33:11am
727 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 10:33:49am

re: #723 Pie-onist Overlord

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EXCELLENT!!

728 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2014 10:34:04am

Former congressman Ron Paul’s ‘Campaign for Liberty’ releases statement endorsing Rep. Raul Labrador, R-Idaho, for House majority leader - @frankthorpNBC
see original on twitter.com

729 jaunte  Jun 13, 2014 10:34:08am
730 CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2014 10:34:13am

re: #726 FemNaziBitch

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Thanks, I needed a kitten.

731 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 10:34:23am

re: #721 CuriousLurker

Creepy realization: It just dawned on me that it’s not the acts of terrorism themselves or righteously avenging/preventing the deaths of innocents that seems to inflame the passions of the right-wingers, but rather the notion of going to a Muslim country and shedding blood, “collateral damage” be damned.

Disturbing.

That insidious vice of Power and Control. The ultimate power is that of life and death.

732 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2014 10:34:34am

re: #652 Charles Johnson

Sorry, the days when someone could post a HORRIFIC MASS BEHEADING story from the Daily Fail at LGF and everyone would take it at face value are… over.

Thank God for that!

(I wasn’t around in those times…and from what I can tell about some of the things you have posted recently about all that means I sure would not have been. Thorough skepticism about everything is a good thing.)

733 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 10:35:04am

re: #717 Gus

Iranians are keen on your idea for joint military operations
Exclusive: Alarmed by Iraq, Iran open to shared role with U.S. - Iran official

Tehran is open to the possibility of working with the United States to support Baghdad, the senior official said.

“We can work with Americans to end the insurgency in the Middle East,” the official said, referring to events in Iraq.

“We are very influential in Iraq, Syria and many other countries.”

734 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 10:35:17am

re: #725 ObserverArt

Do people understand what the Holy Roman crusades were all about? I bet the people in the Middle East know. And that may have started the whole thing historically.

Onward Christian Soldiers.

Oh but wait…that happened so long ago. It could never happen again. Until it happens again.

Just trying to fulfill prophecy and bring on the Rapture

*spit*

735 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 10:35:50am

re: #730 CuriousLurker

Thanks, I needed a kitten.

Everyone needs a kitten!

Hey, I should frame that.

736 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 10:36:52am

re: #733 Killgore Trout

Iranians are keen on your idea for joint military operations
Exclusive: Alarmed by Iraq, Iran open to shared role with U.S. - Iran official

The only US response so far….

Asked on Thursday about Iranian comments, U.S. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said: “Clearly, we’ve encouraged them in many cases to play a constructive role. But I don’t have any other readouts or views from our end to portray here today.”

737 Gus  Jun 13, 2014 10:37:11am

re: #723 Pie-onist Overlord

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For the RWNJ John Galt fans. “John Galt” speaking:

What is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call his Original Sin? What are the evils man acquired when he fell from a state they consider perfection? Their myth declares that he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge — he acquired a mind and became a rational being. It was the knowledge of good and evil — he became a moral being. He was sentenced to earn his bread by his labor — he became a productive being. He was sentenced to experience desire — he acquired the capacity of sexual enjoyment. The evils for which they damn him are reason, morality, creativeness, joy — all the cardinal values of his existence. It is not his vices that their myth of man’s fall is designed to explain and condemn, it is not his errors they they hold as his guilt, but the essence of his nature as man. Whatever he was — that robot, in the Garden of Eden, who existed without mind, without values, without labor, without love — he was not man…

738 blueraven  Jun 13, 2014 10:37:33am

re: #724 Killgore Trout

Yes, we are in agreement. The program was limited to the point of being useless and is only now being ramped up, not last month when the Iraqis requested help. To me that indicates the administration didn’t get very far in considering the Iraqi request, at least not enough to increase surveillance to see what kind of help could be needed.

It proved pretty useless because their specific type of operation doesn’t offer much of a target for drones.

and you forgot to add this part to your quote

Before the Islamist offensive, the program was expanded based on growing U.S. and Iraqi concerns about the expanded military activities of al Qaeda-linked fighters.

But that is a goalpost moving anyway. You said we didn’t have surveillance. We did.
You said we denied Iraqi request. We didn’t.

739 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 13, 2014 10:37:48am

re: #724 Killgore Trout

Yes, we are in agreement. The program was limited to the point of being useless and is only now being ramped up, not last month when the Iraqis requested help. To me that indicates the administration didn’t get very far in considering the Iraqi request, at least not enough to increase surveillance to see what kind of help could be needed.

Have you put into any thought as to how you were so incredibly wrong in your predictions about Iraq’s stability? Even independent of outside influence, that’s been clearly shown to be completely wrong: Stable governments have militaries that actually will stand and fight.

You were also badly wrong about the lack of ethnic and religious tension in Iraq—this was a weird one to be wrong about, since sectarian violence was a big deal in the occupation, and while it lessened after a combination of ethnic cleansing and migration, it was always a big problem, especially when Maliki’s government continued to freeze out shi’ites from power.

So given your massive predictive failure combined with your complete misreading of the situation, is this going to change how you attempt to learn and get a handle on things? Maybe not so much skimming?

740 The War TARDIS  Jun 13, 2014 10:38:18am

re: #733 Killgore Trout

Like seeing that.

Honestly, if asked to choose between Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf states (Save Oman, which is actually quite good), and Iran, I would choose Iran most of the time.

741 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 10:41:10am

re: #721 CuriousLurker

Creepy realization: It just dawned on me that it’s not the acts of terrorism themselves or righteously avenging/preventing the deaths of innocents that seems to inflame the passions of the right-wingers, but rather the notion of going to a Muslim country and shedding blood, “collateral damage” be damned.

Disturbing.

Of course. The RWNJ’s just want an excuse to go in and kill, kill, kill to their hearts content.

742 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 10:41:51am
743 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 10:43:50am

re: #741 Dr Lizardo

Of course. The RWNJ’s just want an excuse to go in and SEND SOMEONE ELSE TO kill, kill, kill to their hearts content.

744 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 10:44:31am

re: #734 FemNaziBitch

Just trying to fulfill prophecy and bring on the Rapture

*spit*

The Rapture itself is unbiblical. Why on earth the fundies continue to push it is beyond me.

745 freetoken  Jun 13, 2014 10:45:11am

re: #744 Dr Lizardo

The Rapture itself is unbiblical. Why on earth the fundies continue to push it is beyond me.

Escapism.

746 jaunte  Jun 13, 2014 10:45:46am

re: #744 Dr Lizardo

The Rapture itself is unbiblical. Why on earth the fundies continue to push it is beyond me.

It’s appealing to think one will be saved, but even more appealing to imagine others will be left behind.

747 blueraven  Jun 13, 2014 10:46:01am

re: #742 Killgore Trout

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Iran should just go for it. Let them get bogged down in several wars.

748 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2014 10:46:04am

re: #687 Killgore Trout

cnn.com

Strange. Reports from the web site of a cable news station. I thought you didn’t like cable news. Is their web site somehow different?

Do you really believe a report like that is going to lay out all of our intelligence and what cards we have in the deck? It just does not seem too intelligent to think that way. In fact seems downright naive.

Hey world…if you want to know what America is up to…check out CNN. They’ll tell you in between reports of a missing airplane.

And with that…lots to do. I’m pretty sure this crap will be ongoing for a few more days. Later lizards!

749 freetoken  Jun 13, 2014 10:46:35am

This item this morning has stuck with me, through all the Iraq stuff:

African Elephants at Risk, Record Ivory Seizures

We could see the extinction of wild African elephants during our lifetime.

750 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 10:46:47am

re: #740 The War TARDIS

Like seeing that.

Honestly, if asked to choose between Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf states (Save Oman, which is actually quite good), and Iran, I would choose Iran most of the time.

It’s a good move for the Iranians and Iraqis but Obama doesn’t get anything out of it aside from a lot of bad domestic publicity. He might go for it but I think it would be a huge mistake. I think Obama’s opportunity for military strikes in Iraq has already come and gone. Now that the Iranians are more involved I think we should stay out of it.

751 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 10:47:29am

re: #744 Dr Lizardo

The Rapture itself is unbiblical. Why on earth the fundies continue to push it is beyond me.

Because then they can feel free to fuck everything up and not have to worry about who will clean up after them.

752 Kragar  Jun 13, 2014 10:47:45am

I always get a chuckle whenever I take a look at the world and then remember that Libertarians think “Voluntaryism” is a real thing

753 Bulworth  Jun 13, 2014 10:48:13am

re:
#746

That’s about it.

754 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 10:49:42am

re: #747 blueraven

Iran should just go for it. Let them get bogged down in several wars.

The Iranians wouldn’t mind. Unlike us, they have an appetite for prolonged conflicts and they’re eager to expand influence in the region. Tackling ISIS on both sides of the Syria/ Iraq border would be much easier anyways. It’s a smart move to the Iranians.

755 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 10:50:20am

re: #747 blueraven

Iran should just go for it. Let them get bogged down in several wars.

But what if the Iranians just steamroll right across Iraq to the border of Syria, like we steamrolled across Iraq in Operation Iraqi Freedom?

Then what? What if they don’t get bogged down?

756 Jayleia  Jun 13, 2014 10:50:24am

re: #741 Dr Lizardo

You mean they want an excuse to send someone ELSE to kill kill kill for them.

EDIT: Not the first one with the same thought :-)

757 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 10:51:17am

re: #756 Jayleia

You mean they want an excuse to send someone ELSE to kill kill kill for them.

Well, yes.

758 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 10:52:31am

re: #755 Dr Lizardo

But what if the Iranians just steamroll right across Iraq to the border of Syria, like we steamrolled across Iraq in Operation Iraqi Freedom?

Then what? What if they don’t get bogged down?

Insurgencies are notoriously hard to fight but I think the Iranians can do it. For them it’s a shia-sunni thing. They’re very motivated and it’s part of a very old conflict they’ll never tire of.

759 klys  Jun 13, 2014 10:54:24am

re: #534 Slap

I know I’m a bit late on this, but this stuff:

Link

Is freaking amazing. It will dissolve rubberized items if soaked full-strength, but on anything more solid (glass, steel, iron) it will melt sludge and all manner of crap. With minimal scrubbing, it will decimate grease and burned remnants. Non-toxic, but a powerful aroma. With a good soak, then a bit of baking soda and a mild scrub, crap disappears.

(FYI, not an employee or stockholder. Just a cheerleader.)

Thanks for the link! I am definitely willing to give that a shot.

760 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 10:55:27am

If the Iranians don’t get bogged down? They have a nice outlet in Iraq to smuggle gold and oil in case of more Western sanctions. Their nuclear program continues unabated and they expand their regional influence, take care of threats to their friend Assad. It works out nicely for them.

761 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 10:55:41am

re: #758 Killgore Trout

Insurgencies are notoriously hard to fight but I think the Iranians can do it. For them it’s a shia-sunni thing. They’re very motivated and it’s part of a very old conflict they’ll never tire of.

One thing I’m fairly certain of. If Iran really did manage to pull off a steamrolling of Iraq, right up to the border of Syria, the Saudis are gonna shit bricks.

762 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 13, 2014 10:56:37am
763 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2014 10:56:47am

re: #709 blueraven

that is enough.

I’ll take directions like that from Charles. Thank you. I think this is a discussion board.

(Again later…)

764 blueraven  Jun 13, 2014 10:57:09am

re: #755 Dr Lizardo

But what if the Iranians just steamroll right across Iraq to the border of Syria, like we steamrolled across Iraq in Operation Iraqi Freedom?

Then what? What if they don’t get bogged down?

Iraq is in their back yard. We have very little to say about what they do there now. We set it up, they knock it down.

those are the consequences of our own actions.

765 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 13, 2014 10:57:23am

re: #754 Killgore Trout

The Iranians wouldn’t mind. Unlike us, they have an appetite for prolonged conflicts and they’re eager to expand influence in the region. .

Iran has never launched an offensive war against another country. Their longest war was with Iraq, for eight years. The US has been at war for the past 13 years.

Y’know, facts ‘n’ shit.

766 blueraven  Jun 13, 2014 10:57:52am

re: #763 ObserverArt

I’ll take directions like that from Charles. Thank you. I think this is a discussion board.

(Again later…)

when you godwin a discussion it is over.

767 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 13, 2014 10:58:13am

re: #758 Killgore Trout

They’re very motivated and it’s part of a very old conflict they’ll never tire of.

Careful, Killgore, the mask is slipping a bit.

768 Killgore Trout  Jun 13, 2014 10:58:32am

re: #761 Dr Lizardo

One thing I’m fairly certain of. If Iran really did manage to pull off a steamrolling of Iraq, right up to the border of Syria, the Saudis are gonna shit bricks.

true, that’s another bonus for Iran. US-Saudi relations would take a big hit. A few months ago the French were touring the region making arms and trade agreements with nervous US allies in Saudi, UAE, Bahrain, etc. I didn’t follow closely enough to know how well they did.

769 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2014 11:00:59am

re: #744 Dr Lizardo

The Rapture itself is unbiblical. Why on earth the fundies continue to push it is beyond me.

Money, Power and Control.

There is a sucker born every minute

770 GeneJockey  Jun 13, 2014 11:06:22am

re: #744 Dr Lizardo

The Rapture itself is unbiblical. Why on earth the fundies continue to push it is beyond me.

Consider that for most of them, Christianity is a way to make themselves feel like they’re better than other people.

And here’s God planning to PROVE IT and reward them for it right in front of all those people they want to think themselves better than, and it all happens without them having to be martyred, or grow old, or wait.

Those awful gay people, Liberals and Moozlimz? They’ll have to WATCH as GOD HIMSELF lifts them up and pats them on the head for being so fantastically better than everyone else.

771 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2014 11:09:28am

re: #766 blueraven

when you godwin a discussion it is over.

I’m sorry. History does not recognize a godwin. My comment was more about casual dismissive thinking and not really about Nazis. But I know you are sharp enough to recognize that.

772 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 11:10:31am

re: #770 GeneJockey

Consider that for most of them, Christianity is a way to make themselves feel like they’re better than other people.

And here’s God planning to PROVE IT and reward them for it right in front of all those people they want to think themselves better than, and it all happens without them having to be martyred, or grow old, or wait.

Those awful gay people, Liberals and Moozlimz? They’ll have to WATCH as GOD HIMSELF lifts them up and pats them on the head for being so fantastically better than everyone else.

I don’t know if you’re familiar with Islamic eschatology, but in that, it is stated that Jesus (a.s.) will indeed return to Earth and he’ll declare that he’s simply a Muslim.

Regardless of what one thinks of eschatological ideas, I do have to imagine what all the fundies would do if that came to pass? I think they’d be less likely to be “raptured” at that point, and far more likely to have a collective stroke.

773 GeneJockey  Jun 13, 2014 11:12:38am

re: #771 ObserverArt

I’m sorry. History does not recognize a godwin. My comment was more about casual dismissive thinking and not really about Nazis. But I know you are sharp enough to recognize that.

IIRC, Godwin’s Law is just that the longer the argument on the internet goes on, the more likely it is that Nazis will be invoked. It’s not that invoking Nazis ends the discussion.

WRT the topic at hand, the Nazis in Germany are simply the most obvious example of the principle OA mentions, wherein shit goes bad down the road because people dismiss the signs.

774 GeneJockey  Jun 13, 2014 11:13:35am

re: #772 Dr Lizardo

I don’t know if you’re familiar with Islamic eschatology, but in that, it is stated that Jesus (a.s.) will indeed return to Earth and he’ll declare that he’s simply a Muslim.

Regardless of what one thinks of eschatological ideas, I do have to imagine what all the fundies would do if that came to pass? I think they’d be less likely to be “raptured” at that point, and far more likely to have a collective stroke.

Oh, hell, that’s easy. Crucify him again.

775 Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2014 11:14:33am

re: #774 GeneJockey

Oh, hell, that’s easy. Crucify him again.

LOLOLOL

HERETIC!! BLASPHEMER!! WE WANT OUR WHITE WINGNUT JESUS!!

776 Eventual Carrion  Jun 13, 2014 11:33:45am

re: #537 Kragar

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What is it nowadays with these shit for brains gathering to “protect” criminals? Bundy, this guy. What happened to the “Law and Order” chant? Backing the police and rule of law? Fuck these people.

777 Eventual Carrion  Jun 13, 2014 12:30:52pm

re: #618 Killgore Trout

UN has fallen for the wingnut propaganda
UN Warns of War Crimes, Atrocities in Iraq

They are probably throwing babies out of incubators and onto the floors too.


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