Saturday Night Weird French Rock Video: Von Pariahs, Skywalking

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Some interesting new music from a French band with a singer from New Jersey.

Label & Publishing : Yotanka
Production : Le Groupuscule / Manuel Cam
Direction / Photography / Editing : Simon Gesrel
Animation : Julien Jourdain de Muizon / Nicolas Capitaine / Rémi Brissaud / Sylvain Derosne / Simon Gesrel
Set and Props : Simon Gesrel / Morgane Baux / Marie Merigot / Alice Fernandez / Rémi Brissaud
Puppet design : Alexandre Grynagier
Post-production : Julien Maurin / Simon Gesrel / Julien Baret / Kenjy Bourgeois
Studio shooting : Manuel Cam Studio
Thanks to : Jean-Louis Padis / Le Groupsucule / Frédéric Poulain / Didier Rouget / Xavier Ehretsmann / Ophelie Mettais Cartier / Fx elements.com / SPPF / FCM

Von Pariahs - Skywalking // from their first album “Hidden Tensions”
itunes.apple.com
Shop : vonpariahs.com

Von Pariahs : vonpariahs.com
Yotanka label : yotanka.net
Le Groupuscule : legroupuscule.com
Manuel Cam : manuelcam.fr
Simon Gesrel : simon-gesrel.fr

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433 comments
1 darthstar  Jun 14, 2014 5:52:22pm

So MTV and the 80s really did kill creativity in pop music. Sounds like an XTC cover band.

2 freetoken  Jun 14, 2014 5:53:02pm
3 Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2014 5:55:38pm

re: #1 darthstar

So MTV and the 80s really did kill creativity in pop music. Sounds like an XTC cover band.

Yeah, exactly!

4 Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2014 5:57:15pm

Tough room.

5 darthstar  Jun 14, 2014 5:58:09pm
6 Amory Blaine  Jun 14, 2014 5:59:22pm

Cool animations to go with the song. I’ll have to look them up when I get home. I like their sound.

7 darthstar  Jun 14, 2014 5:59:24pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Tough room.

We have our moments. :)

8 wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2014 6:00:59pm

Here are some dancing Colombian soccer players (from three years ago).

Youtube Video

9 Justanotherhuman  Jun 14, 2014 6:01:55pm

Speaking of tough…

US Secretary of State Kerry called Iraqi Foreign Minister Zebari; said US assistance will only succeed if Iraq leaders forge ‘national unity’; urged Iraq to ratify election results ‘without delay’ and quickly form new government - State Department via @Retuers
End of alert

10 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 14, 2014 6:02:19pm

I bought chicken wings last night, 2.25 a pound. Boneless Skinless Breast halves were 1.89. What’s wrong with this picture. :)

RBS

11 makeitstop  Jun 14, 2014 6:04:49pm

New Stonekettle Station: Absolutely Nothing

I love Jim Wright because the wingnuts have no defense for his words. Not even a tiny push back.

He silences the howler monkeys.

12 darthstar  Jun 14, 2014 6:05:10pm
13 TedStriker  Jun 14, 2014 6:06:27pm

re: #11 makeitstop

New Stonekettle Station: Absolutely Nothing

I love Jim Wright because the wingnuts have no defense for his words. Not even a tiny push back.

He silences the howler monkeys.

Yeah, someone posted about it downstairs…Wright’s throwing some heat here lately.

14 wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2014 6:07:26pm

Later, lizards.

15 Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2014 6:07:48pm

re: #5 darthstar

Why I like the Ivory Coast in the #WorldCup #CIV

Was just out at a sushi bar, the sushi chef’s/dudes were all for Italia. 3 big screens. Kinda funny. And the fish was beautifully fresh.

16 Justanotherhuman  Jun 14, 2014 6:08:33pm

President Obama golfing at Sunnylands in Rancho Mirage, Calif.; White House says he will spend Father’s Day with daughter Malia, Sasha didn’t make the trip out to California - @dsupervilleap
see original on twitter.com

Speaking of Father’s Day, I bought my grandson a really nice large padded Igloo insulated cooler yesterday so he wouldn’t spend half his paycheck buying junk food from convenience stores and fast food joints on his work routes. Sometimes he’s on the road in the wee hours and there’s not much to choose from. in those out of the way places esp.

Today, he took 2 bottled waters, 2 sodas and a turkey sandwich. Should help him lose some weight, too.

17 Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2014 6:09:25pm

re: #8 wrenchwench

Here are some dancing Colombian soccer players (from three years ago).

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Video

Those are the guys who need body guards. Do not screw up the match or else.

18 darthstar  Jun 14, 2014 6:10:50pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

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Later, lizards.

Noone can say you don’t feed the kid.

19 TedStriker  Jun 14, 2014 6:11:47pm

re: #18 darthstar

Noone can say you don’t feed the kid.

The cat might take exception, though…

20 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 14, 2014 6:13:39pm

re: #19 TedStriker

The cat might take exception, though…

The cat is like “The Foodz…. they are broken”

RBS

21 Justanotherhuman  Jun 14, 2014 6:15:43pm

re: #12 darthstar

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Does the NYT give all felons space like that?

22 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 14, 2014 6:19:10pm

re: #1 darthstar

So MTV and the 80s really did kill creativity in pop music. Sounds like an XTC cover band.

Only if they can do Peter Pumpkinhead convincingly … ;)

23 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 14, 2014 6:20:38pm

re: #11 makeitstop

New Stonekettle Station: Absolutely Nothing

I love Jim Wright because the wingnuts have no defense for his words. Not even a tiny push back.

He silences the howler monkeys.

A chief warrant makes honey badger look meek. Only thing worse is a Command Sergeant Major.

24 Killgore Trout  Jun 14, 2014 6:25:09pm

re: #9 Justanotherhuman

Speaking of tough…

US Secretary of State Kerry called Iraqi Foreign Minister Zebari; said US assistance will only succeed if Iraq leaders forge ‘national unity’; urged Iraq to ratify election results ‘without delay’ and quickly form new government - State Department via @Retuers
End of alert

I’m thinking the Iraq may pass on the offer or at least decline the demands. They’ve gone this far and I think the Iranians are offering enough help to get the job done without all the nasty “unity” stuff.

25 b.d.  Jun 14, 2014 6:29:35pm

That Manning editorial was the biggest bag of nothing I have read in a ling while. The Intercept should hire her, they could use the diversity.

26 Justanotherhuman  Jun 14, 2014 6:32:54pm

Speaking of GG, they’re really beating up on Chelsea Clinton over there, as they’ve never done Jenna Bush or Meghan McCain who were also hired by NBC.

The networks can hire whomever they please and viewers can watch whoever they like. And political “kids” are draws. It may not be fair, but it is what it is.

27 b.d.  Jun 14, 2014 6:34:55pm

Nice to see the ESPN World Cup announcers call the Ivory Coast the Ivory Coast, some networks won’t do it.

Therefore, in April 1986, the government declared Côte d’Ivoire (or, more fully, République de Côte d’Ivoire) to be its formal name for the purposes of diplomatic protocol, and officially refuses to recognize or accept any translation from French to another language in its international dealings.

en.wikipedia.org

28 TedStriker  Jun 14, 2014 6:35:04pm

I got this song as a freebie from Google Music a while back…a good chillin’ out song for a Saturday night, I think:

Youtube Video

29 b.d.  Jun 14, 2014 6:38:38pm

That is truly a bizarre music video. I hear an Oingo Boingo influence too?

Best of luck to them and I hope that they become as big a French rock band as………..

30 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 14, 2014 6:40:09pm

re: #29 b.d.

That is truly a bizarre music video. I hear an Oingo Boingo influence too?

Best of luck to them and I hope that they become as big a French rock band as………..

as Nena is as a German rock band?

(she’s still going strong. Major crush as a GI in 1983 Germany … ;) )

31 Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2014 6:41:16pm

Watch out or I’ll post another Die Antwoord video.

32 makeitstop  Jun 14, 2014 6:42:06pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Watch out or I’ll post another Die Antwoord video.

I love DA. And I really don’t know why.

33 makeitstop  Jun 14, 2014 6:43:42pm

The vocals in particular remind me of Sparks.

34 b.d.  Jun 14, 2014 6:45:18pm

re: #30 William Barnett-Lewis

as Nena is as a German rock band?

Germany gave us Kraftwerk, Rammstein and the Scorpions!

They eclipse anything the French have given!!!!!

//

35 Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2014 6:46:59pm

Metal Hurlant (the movie).

36 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 14, 2014 6:47:22pm

re: #34 b.d.

Germany gave us Kraftwerk, Rammstein and the Scorpions!

They eclipse anything the French have given!!!!!

//

Truth. But Nena’s cute. None of those boys qualify… /////

37 sauceruney  Jun 14, 2014 6:47:24pm

re: #34 b.d.

Jean Michel Jarre

38 Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2014 6:49:19pm

re: #34 b.d.

Germany gave us Kraftwerk, Rammstein and the Scorpions!

They eclipse anything the French have given!!!!!

//

Uh, non.

Youtube Video

39 sattv4u2  Jun 14, 2014 6:51:15pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

I’m thinking the Iraq may pass on the offer or at least decline the demands. They’ve gone this far and I think the Iranians are offering enough help to get the job done without all the nasty “unity” stuff.

Conflicting report
cnn.com

In recent days, Iran has sent about 500 Revolutionary Guard troops to fight alongside Iraqi government security forces in Diyala province, a senior security official in Baghdad told CNN. However, that claim was rejected by Iran’s Foreign Ministry.

40 b_sharp  Jun 14, 2014 6:52:38pm

Watching a Pavarotti special on Public TV.

Damn, that man could sing.

41 sattv4u2  Jun 14, 2014 6:53:23pm

re: #40 b_sharp

Watching a Pavarotti special on Public TV.

Damn, that man could sing.

Goods thing he decided to do it as a career!!!!
/

42 Justanotherhuman  Jun 14, 2014 6:54:32pm

Well, at least the French love good jazz…

Youtube Video

43 makeitstop  Jun 14, 2014 6:56:49pm

re: #40 b_sharp

Watching a Pavarotti special on Public TV.

Damn, that man could sing.

Ever seen this?

Youtube Video

I could barely believe it even happened, let alone how wonderful it is.

44 Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2014 7:00:36pm

re: #42 Justanotherhuman

Well, at least the French love good jazz…

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Video

Yes they do.

Youtube Video

45 Killgore Trout  Jun 14, 2014 7:01:54pm

re: #39 sattv4u2

Conflicting report
cnn.com

In recent days, Iran has sent about 500 Revolutionary Guard troops to fight alongside Iraqi government security forces in Diyala province, a senior security official in Baghdad told CNN. However, that claim was rejected by Iran’s Foreign Ministry.

I’m not exactly sure why the Iranians are shy about their troops in Iraq and Syria. It’s not a secret. They’re very open about their offer to help Iraq. I suppose the international sanctions might be a problem with their military roaming around in other countries even if they’re invited.

46 b_sharp  Jun 14, 2014 7:02:10pm

re: #43 makeitstop

Ever seen this?

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Video

I could barely believe it even happened, let alone how wonderful it is.

That was amazing.

47 sattv4u2  Jun 14, 2014 7:03:16pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

I’m not exactly sure why the Iranians are shy about their troops in Iraq and Syria. It’s not a secret. They’re very open about their offer to help Iraq. I suppose the international sanctions might be a problem with their military roaming around in other countries even if they’re invited.

True

I mean, what’s the upside for Iraq to say there are 500 Iranian troops IN Iraq if they’re not

48 Amory Blaine  Jun 14, 2014 7:04:11pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Dewww eeeaatttt.

49 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 14, 2014 7:04:15pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

Uh, non.

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Also Django Reinhardt &
Stéphane Grappelli

Hot Club Jazz

Youtube Video

50 Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2014 7:06:31pm

re: #43 makeitstop

Ever seen this?

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Video

I could barely believe it even happened, let alone how wonderful it is.

No, and WOW. wow wow wow

51 Killgore Trout  Jun 14, 2014 7:06:43pm

re: #47 sattv4u2

True

I mean, what’s the upside for Iraq to say there are 500 Iranian troops IN Iraq if they’re not

maybe there’s 10,000 and they’re lowballing.

52 Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2014 7:08:18pm

re: #46 b_sharp

That was amazing.

I’ve wet cheeks.

53 Justanotherhuman  Jun 14, 2014 7:09:15pm

re: #49 BeenHereAwhile

Also Django Reinhardt &
Stéphane Grappelli

Hot Club Jazz

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Video

Classic!

Like Jimmy and Kenny so much, had to play this one also, with Stanley Turrentine and Grady Tate.

Youtube Video

54 Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2014 7:09:21pm

re: #43 makeitstop

XO for that my friend.

55 The War TARDIS  Jun 14, 2014 7:11:27pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

Okay, I am beginning to get to the end of the rope with your shenanigans.

What is the bug up your butt in regards to Iran. From where I am sitting, while the government in Iran is bad, the governments of our allies on the opposite side of the Persian Gulf are awful, and rather poor allies to boot?

56 makeitstop  Jun 14, 2014 7:11:55pm

re: #52 Stanley Sea

I’ve wet cheeks.

It made me cry the first time I saw it. That JB song I’ve loved since I was a little boy, and Pavarotti’s part just sends it into the stratosphere.

I love that the orchestra stayed true to the original recording, too. It was just too good to tamper with.

57 Dark_Falcon  Jun 14, 2014 7:14:27pm

re: #9 Justanotherhuman

Speaking of tough…

US Secretary of State Kerry called Iraqi Foreign Minister Zebari; said US assistance will only succeed if Iraq leaders forge ‘national unity’; urged Iraq to ratify election results ‘without delay’ and quickly form new government - State Department via @Retuers
End of alert

While military aid may need to come first because of the gravity of the situation, Kerry and Obama have a point here that too many people miss or will reject because they’re hearing it from a liberal Democrat:

Brave and strong as our military is, it is like all properly-used militaries essentially the paramedics in country suffering from an internal war.* By that I mean that all military action can ultimately do regarding a threat like Radical Islam is to stabilize a nation and buy time for the nation’s political class to try to fix the problems that led to large-scale violence breaking out.

The problem is that, as often as not, the politicians of a nation don’t succeed in fixing the mistakes, because they instead focused on power squabbles and getting rich (via corruption)#. As a result, the civil strife breaks out anew sometime later.

Ultimately, Iraq won’t find real peace (as opposed to another tyrant) until its internal leaders are genuinely willing to solve their problems and do so honestly.

*: A military facing an external threat is in a different situation, one beyond the scope of this post.

#: Credit to strategypage.com for the “getting rich (via corruption)” line.

58 Justanotherhuman  Jun 14, 2014 7:17:19pm

What is with all the huge hail lately?

And tornadoes galore…

59 jaunte  Jun 14, 2014 7:19:20pm

re: #58 Justanotherhuman

“Basic theory, observations and climate model results all show that the increase in water vapor is roughly 6 percent to 7.5 percent per degree Celsius warming of the lower atmosphere.”
www-pls.llnl.gov

60 GeneJockey  Jun 14, 2014 7:19:22pm

re: #58 Justanotherhuman

What is with all the huge hail lately?

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And people ask how I can stand living here, because of earthquakes.

61 teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2014 7:19:59pm
62 Justanotherhuman  Jun 14, 2014 7:21:05pm

re: #60 GeneJockey

And people ask how I can stand living here, because of earthquakes.

Getting hit is preferable to being swallowed up? : )

63 Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2014 7:21:35pm
64 teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2014 7:21:36pm

re: #61 teleskiguy

I’m calling the @GOP for what it is, a hard line Protestant Christian political party. Nothing more, nothing less. I’ll never vote for them.

Not even for fuckin’ dog catcher!

65 Justanotherhuman  Jun 14, 2014 7:23:12pm

re: #59 jaunte

The beginning of things to come.

Luckily, we’ve only had a few thunderstorms, nothing dramatic this spring.

66 Lidane  Jun 14, 2014 7:24:26pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

By that I mean that all military action can ultimately do regarding a threat like Radical Islam is to stabilize a nation and buy time for the nation’s political class to try to fix the problems that led to large-scale violence breaking out.

That’s only true if the ruling political class had a hand in the military action in the first place. Iraq’s current problems all stem from the fact that we invaded them for no fucking reason in the aftermath of 9/11 throwing them into chaos.

We created the power vacuum they’re in now and the setup for their current problems. And we did a shit job at trying to stabilize the country after we invaded since that wasn’t part of our plan in the first place. We talked a lot of shit about going in guns blazing, freeing them from Saddam and Al Qaeda and whatever the fuck else the Republicans were lying about at the time and being greeted as liberators by a grateful nation that would let us loot and pillage their oil supply to pay for it all. Is it any wonder they were left in a shambles only to have groups like ISIS coming in and stirring more shit up later?

Also, pro tip: you can’t declare war on a tactic like terrorism or an ideology like communism or a religious view like radical Islam. You might as well go to war against ennui. It would be more effective.

67 Kragar  Jun 14, 2014 7:27:03pm
68 Justanotherhuman  Jun 14, 2014 7:32:44pm

re: #67 Kragar

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Haha, I made it a year, but had to cheat because the questions were pretty stupid.

69 Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2014 7:34:13pm

Twitter is in a very active rabid wingnut phase these days. They’re very worked up, and snapping at everybody.

70 darthstar  Jun 14, 2014 7:34:29pm
71 Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2014 7:34:45pm

re: #68 Justanotherhuman

Haha, I made it a year, but had to cheat because the questions were pretty stupid.

A year, but by then I’d run out of zombies.

72 Dark_Falcon  Jun 14, 2014 7:35:13pm

re: #66 Lidane

You are in error in saying that “Iraq’s current problems all stem from the fact that we invaded them for no fucking reason in the aftermath of 9/11”. In fact, the foundation of the Sunni / Shia friction can be properly laid on Saddam Hussein’s grave. Saddam was Sunni and under his leadership the Ba’ath Party ran Iraq for Sunnis first, with Sunnis getting subsidies and Shia suffering systematic discrimination and repression.

Saddam’s reign left Iraq’s Sunnis with a bad attitude, missing the “good old days” when they ruled Iraq and in too many cases being willing to support Islamic Radicals to get that control back.

Iraq’s Shiites, meanwhile, hold a grudge because of the wrongs the Sunnis visited upon them under Saddam and in too many cases think disenfranchising the Sunnis is OK because to them the Sunnis are exploiters who don’t deserve a say in government.

Much of that animosity originated post-2003, but the majority of it was caused before the first bomb fell in that year.

73 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 7:36:13pm
74 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 7:36:59pm
75 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 7:37:40pm

I rest my case.

76 Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2014 7:40:23pm

re: #67 Kragar

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Well fuck.

One month - That was a good little run you had.

77 Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2014 7:40:34pm
78 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 7:41:56pm

I’d page it but what’s the use.

79 Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2014 7:42:17pm

re: #75 Gus

Yes, it was over. Done. Finished. And Maliki wasn’t exactly graceful about it either. But now some people seem to expect us to pick right up and jump back in where we left off.

80 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 14, 2014 7:42:26pm

re: #60 GeneJockey

And people ask how I can stand living here, because of earthquakes.

You can get out of the way of a tornado. An earthquake? Not so much…

81 b_sharp  Jun 14, 2014 7:42:36pm

re: #67 Kragar

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“Until the end! - Congrats! You’re a fighter and clearly know what it takes to survive!”

82 Justanotherhuman  Jun 14, 2014 7:43:24pm

Rack time.

Later, Lizards!

83 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 14, 2014 7:43:49pm

re: #67 Kragar

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Shrug. Long enough to take an honor guard with me to hell.

84 teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2014 7:45:08pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Yes, it was over. Done. Finished. And Maliki wasn’t exactly graceful about it either. But now some people seem to expect us to pick right up and jump back in where we left off.

If our men and women in the armed forces go back to Iraq…

I. Just. Can’t.

85 Dark_Falcon  Jun 14, 2014 7:46:04pm

re: #67 Kragar

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I wouldn’t try to survive. Some people would be simply unsuited for that sort of situation, and its best they just admit it. I’d just kill myself, taking care that my suicide cut off or destroyed my head, so as not to burden survivors with another zombie to kill.

86 b.d.  Jun 14, 2014 7:48:14pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn’t try to survive. Some people would be simply unsuited for that sort of situation, and its best they just admit it. I’d just kill myself, taking care that my suicide cut off or destroyed my head, so as not to burden survivors with another zombie to kill.

Thanking you in advance Dark Falcon.

//

87 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 14, 2014 7:53:06pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn’t try to survive. Some people would be simply unsuited for that sort of situation, and its best they just admit it. I’d just kill myself, taking care that my suicide cut off or destroyed my head, so as not to burden survivors with another zombie to kill.

Wouldn’t have expected you to go for a mortal sin under any circumstance as surrendering to zombies in such a fashion would be, to me, despair against hope.

“It may be better to be a live jackal than a dead lion, but it is better
still to be a live lion. And usually easier.”
— Lazarus Long

88 Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2014 7:53:06pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn’t try to survive. Some people would be simply unsuited for that sort of situation, and its best they just admit it. I’d just kill myself, taking care that my suicide cut off or destroyed my head, so as not to burden survivors with another zombie to kill.

Could I use your brains for bait?

89 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 14, 2014 7:55:24pm

Put up crowd control barriers. Yeah that’ll stop ‘em.

90 Amory Blaine  Jun 14, 2014 7:56:05pm

On one hand if the zombies were a result of some man made zombie maker I might try to wait it out. On the other hand if the rising of the dead was unknown it would be possible that it was some divine activity. In that case IDK how fast I would act to off myself.

91 Kragar  Jun 14, 2014 7:57:29pm

re: #89 Pie-onist Overlord

Put up crowd control barriers. Yeah that’ll stop ‘em.

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92 jaunte  Jun 14, 2014 7:58:19pm

Wall Street banks are lobbying to defang sections of the law related to derivatives — the complex financial contracts at the core of the meltdown. One deregulation bill, the “London Whale Loophole Act,” would allow American banks to skip Dodd-Frank’s trading rules on derivatives if they are traded in countries that have similar regulatory structures.

Must be the year of repeating bad experiences.

93 makeitstop  Jun 14, 2014 7:59:08pm

My wife is flying to California tomorrow for a week’s work. I think our oldest cat wants to go.What time’s our flight?

94 Amory Blaine  Jun 14, 2014 8:00:31pm

30 minutes and counting until a weeks vacation. Fire up the blender!!

95 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 8:01:18pm
96 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 8:01:54pm

Page. I has it.

97 Dark_Falcon  Jun 14, 2014 8:02:54pm

re: #87 William Barnett-Lewis

Wouldn’t have expected you to go for a mortal sin under any circumstance as surrendering to zombies in such a fashion would be, to me, despair against hope.

“It may be better to be a live jackal than a dead lion, but it is better
still to be a live lion. And usually easier.”
— Lazarus Long

It would be a matter of calculation, WBL. And it doesn’t apply to all versions of “Shit Hits The Fan” scenario. The real question with me is: “How much, if any, prior warning is there of the disaster?” This matters because I’d actually be quite useful to have around if I’ve got time to plan and prepare. If things just go bad in a matter of days I’d be useless, but if we’re talking something more like a Deep Impact-type comet hit, I think I’d likely be able to find ways to make enough allies and store enough supplies to survive.

98 sattv4u2  Jun 14, 2014 8:03:26pm

re: #55 The War TARDIS

Okay, I am beginning to get to the end of the rope with your shenanigans.

I’d send end him to bed without dessert if I were you! AND NO VIDEO GAMES UP THERE, Mister!!!!!

99 Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2014 8:06:41pm
100 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 8:07:23pm

re: #93 makeitstop

My wife is flying to California tomorrow for a week’s work. I think our oldest cat wants to go.What time’s our flight?

How old?

101 Killgore Trout  Jun 14, 2014 8:08:19pm

re: #98 sattv4u2


Okay, I am beginning to get to the end of the rope with your shenanigans.

I’d send end him to bed without dessert if I were you! AND NO VIDEO GAMES UP THERE, Mister!!!!!

I quit shenanigans ages ago. I only do monkeybusiness now.

102 Kragar  Jun 14, 2014 8:11:17pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

I quit shenanigans ages ago. I only do monkeybusiness now.

Youtube Video

103 makeitstop  Jun 14, 2014 8:12:34pm

re: #100 Gus

How old?

He’s nearly 17, bless him. He’s almost checked out on us a couple of times (most recently due to diabetic shock about six years ago), but thanks to modern veterinary medicine he’s still running the place.

He’s the steadiest cat ever. Not even our new puppy can rattle him.

104 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 14, 2014 8:15:02pm

I take it you support Separation of Church & State, then, Matt?
Churches in Denmark have to comply because they’re Official State Churches.

105 Dark_Falcon  Jun 14, 2014 8:15:59pm

SteelPH, if you feel my #72 was in error, kindly post and explain why. Don’t just downding, because from where I sit it looks like you just downdinged because you didn’t like that I contradicted Lidane.

106 kirkspencer  Jun 14, 2014 8:20:21pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

You are in error in saying that “Iraq’s current problems all stem from the fact that we invaded them for no fucking reason in the aftermath of 9/11”. In fact, the foundation of the Sunni / Shia friction can be properly laid on Saddam Hussein’s grave. Saddam was Sunni and under his leadership the Ba’ath Party ran Iraq for Sunnis first, with Sunnis getting subsidies and Shia suffering systematic discrimination and repression.

Saddam’s reign left Iraq’s Sunnis with a bad attitude, missing the “good old days” when they ruled Iraq and in too many cases being willing to support Islamic Radicals to get that control back.

Iraq’s Shiites, meanwhile, hold a grudge because of the wrongs the Sunnis visited upon them under Saddam and in too many cases think disenfranchising the Sunnis is OK because to them the Sunnis are exploiters who don’t deserve a say in government.

Much of that animosity originated post-2003, but the majority of it was caused before the first bomb fell in that year.

Oh dear. You mean all the Shia-Sunni friction of the centuries preceding Saddam Hussein’s reign didn’t really happen? Caliph Ali was not assassinated in the 680s?

Yes, you’re right, there are grudges because one side treats the other like, well, like Catholics treated Protestants (and vice versa) in Europe. But claiming it’s a recent situation is wrong.

107 Dark_Falcon  Jun 14, 2014 8:23:54pm

re: #106 kirkspencer

Oh dear. You mean all the Shia-Sunni friction of the centuries preceding Saddam Hussein’s reign didn’t really happen? Caliph Ali was not assassinated in the 680s?

Yes, you’re right, there are grudges because one side treats the other like, well, like Catholics treated Protestants (and vice versa) in Europe. But claiming it’s a recent situation is wrong.

I’m aware of that, but focusing on Saddam was the quick and easy way to make my point. Going back to the ultimate roots of some of Iraq’s problems would have required 3-4 posts of the same size as that one and that would have taken more time than I was willing to allocate to the task.

108 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 14, 2014 8:25:17pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Perhaps.

But it’s probably the same part of me that joined the Army in September of 1982 even though I really believed Ronnie RayGun would start WWIII and kill us all. I was born in 1963. I expected to be dead before I was 21 because I distrusted our president that much.

And yet… It’s better to die trying. Nothing else really matters.

Do you remember “The Day After”? It came out while I was 20 year old and a tanker on an M60A3 crew in the 1st Armored Division at Illeshiem, FRG. At that point in time I felt that it was better to die fast fighting for the good than to die a lingering death from radiation poisoning or nuclear winter - and that was all I saw our government offering in those days - those three choices, DF.

At least I’d have had my steel coffin. That was better than most of the rest of the Class of 1982 would have had if my fear had been true.

109 Dark_Falcon  Jun 14, 2014 8:27:41pm

re: #108 William Barnett-Lewis

No, i don’t remember that movie. It’s not something my family would have watched.

110 BongCrodny  Jun 14, 2014 8:29:34pm

re: #43 makeitstop

Ever seen this?

[Embedded content]

I could barely believe it even happened, let alone how wonderful it is.

That was fucking insane.

And thank you for giving me my biggest smile of the day. :-)

111 Dark_Falcon  Jun 14, 2014 8:32:50pm

re: #108 William Barnett-Lewis

You might also reflect upon the fact that Ronald Reagan was smarter and less bellicose than you thought back then.

112 goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2014 8:35:20pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

SteelPH, if you feel my #72 was in error, kindly post and explain why. Don’t just downding, because from where I sit it looks like you just downdinged because you didn’t like that I contradicted Lidane.

Well to be fair you didn’t just contradict her, you deliberately ignored much of what she said, that we created the power vacuum. All you did was issue the same old apologies, that Saddam was a bad man, a tyrant who set up and ran his own sectarian government and the roots of the current hatreds can be traced back to that.

The thing is, so what? This is academic at best and does nothing to absolve the Bush Administration of the cluster fuck they created in Iraq and hung around America’s neck, and blaming Saddam is a cop out for anybody trying to mitigate Bush administration blame for any of this never ending debacle. Saddam’s government may have been a deeply shitty one but at least it functioned on a basic level. I cleared the admittedly low hurdles the world expects functioning governments to clear. Nothing we did made things better in either the short or long term. Hundreds of thousands of people died and Iraq is an even worse shit-hole now only under different management. It went from being nominally secular to now being dangerously threatened by the very Islamists Bush lied about and told us Saddam was working with. It went from being secure in its borders to being unable to defend them. It went from having a more or less stable, if autocratic, environment for business and daily life to people being blown up daily in terrorist explosions.

113 jaunte  Jun 14, 2014 8:37:47pm
114 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 14, 2014 8:38:45pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

You might also reflect upon the fact that Ronald Reagan was smarter and less bellicose than you thought back then.

No DF. I know you need to believe that. But he wasn’t. In many ways, thanks to his emerging Alzheimer’s, he was even worse than we feared at the time. We’ve gone down this path before, but I honestly believe that if Gorbachev had not been able to scam him with false belief in the orthodox faith we would have all died in the 1980’s. Without that fake out Ronnie would have never signed on to the IRBM treaty despite the movie “The Day After”.

He was, frankly, an evil SOB who is doing time in purgatory if my belief in Universalism is correct.

115 makeitstop  Jun 14, 2014 8:41:38pm

re: #110 BongCrodny

That was fucking insane.

And thank you for giving me my biggest smile of the day. :-)

I’m glad you all liked it. It’s one of the best things on YouTube, IMO.

116 jaunte  Jun 14, 2014 8:42:57pm
117 Romantic Heretic  Jun 14, 2014 8:44:11pm

re: #91 Kragar

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Appropriate that he uses a well-known blowhard as his avatar.

118 Kragar  Jun 14, 2014 8:48:54pm

Hmm, do I spend $16 bucks a pop for crappy resin models or do I mod some Kroots I have lying around to be Mercs for the Dark Eldar?

Dark Eldar Kroot, here I come!

119 Killgore Trout  Jun 14, 2014 8:49:52pm

Meanwhile in Portland:
Dicks in the Park

A friend found a bunch of ice dicks in the park with prizes inside of them.

120 goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2014 8:49:54pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

I’m aware of that, but focusing on Saddam was the quick and easy way to make my point.

And it was a shitty point. We charged into Iraq without either the willpower or a plan to fix its myriad and possibly intractable problems. When we did that we took ownership for the outcome, blaming Saddam for what Iraq is now is a weaselly dodge. All it’s designed to do is make the Iraq War cheerleaders feel better about the crap sandwich they spent years applauding.

121 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 8:50:55pm
122 goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2014 8:51:44pm

re: #118 Kragar

Hmm, do I spend $16 bucks a pop for crappy resin models or do I mod some Kroots I have lying around to be Mercs for the Dark Eldar?

Dark Eldar Kroot, here I come!

So far I’m not impressed with the new Ork models.

123 Dark_Falcon  Jun 14, 2014 8:53:07pm

re: #114 William Barnett-Lewis

No DF. I know you need to believe that. But he wasn’t. In many ways, thanks to his emerging Alzheimer’s, he was even worse than we feared at the time. We’ve gone down this path before, but I honestly believe that if Gorbachev had not been able to scam him with false belief in the orthodox faith we would have all died in the 1980’s. Without that fake out Ronnie would have never signed on to the IRBM treaty despite the movie “The Day After”.

He was, frankly, an evil SOB who is doing time in purgatory if my belief in Universalism is correct.

I just don’t agree with that at all. The IRBM Treaty instituted the ‘Zero Option’ that had been a policy goal of the Reagan Administration for over 5 years prior. It wasn’t religion but Regan believing that Gorbachev had both the desire to commit the Soviet Union to the destruction of its SS-20s and enough power and influence to overcome the inevitable resistance and desire to cheat on the treaty within the Soviet government.

Both leaders had to overcome a great deal of incredulity within their governments: Soviet officers and officials found it hard to believe that the US would willingly scrap its most advanced nuclear missiles (the Pershing IIs) to gain peace, while American officers and officials were deeply skeptical of the Soviet Union’s honesty in its agreeing to the treaty.

124 teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2014 8:53:35pm

re: #43 makeitstop

Ever seen this?

[Embedded content]

Video

I could barely believe it even happened, let alone how wonderful it is.

Didn’t even know this existed. Thanks for sharing!

125 Killgore Trout  Jun 14, 2014 8:53:37pm
126 Romantic Heretic  Jun 14, 2014 8:54:47pm

My Mac has 4GB of memory. I’m going to have to upgrade soon because that isn’t enough. Many of my apps often hang while swapping to the disk drive, I think. Pretty sure.

I have a moment of frission every time I say “4GB isn’t enough.” My first computer had 48K, and that was enough for almost ten years.

127 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 8:55:46pm
128 Kragar  Jun 14, 2014 8:57:26pm

re: #122 goddamnedfrank

So far I’m not impressed with the new Ork models.

If you’re not kitbashing Orks, you’re doing them wrong

129 Romantic Heretic  Jun 14, 2014 8:57:36pm

re: #127 Gus

The Mossie is one of the prettiest aircraft of all time, and one of the most badass.

130 goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2014 8:58:39pm

re: #126 Romantic Heretic

My Mac has 4GB of memory. I’m going to have to upgrade soon because that isn’t enough. Many of my apps often hang while swapping to the disk drive, I think. Pretty sure.

I have a moment of frission every time I say “4GB isn’t enough.” My first computer had 48K, and that was enough for almost ten years.

I put 8GB in my Powerbook Pro recently. Am going to get a new top end iMac in September or so, just waiting for the next generation to be announced so it’s spanky fresh.

131 The War TARDIS  Jun 14, 2014 9:02:17pm

Hey, I have a question that may cause me to mod my Fallout New Vegas.

How thick is a bundle of dollar bills?

132 Kragar  Jun 14, 2014 9:03:00pm

re: #122 goddamnedfrank

So far I’m not impressed with the new Ork models.

I am waiting to see if they do new Meganobs though. I was thinking of taking some or maybe a full mob of ‘Ard Boys as allies to a Chaos force

133 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 9:03:12pm
134 palomino  Jun 14, 2014 9:03:22pm

re: #91 Kragar

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This is another fact-free article of faith adopted by the GOP.

Obama won 71% of the Hispanic vote. Which leads to the gop reasoning that he must be coddling illegals and making the border more porous. Since Obama doesn’t make a show of talking tough on immigration, they don’t believe he could possible be tough on immigration.

135 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 9:03:52pm
136 Amory Blaine  Jun 14, 2014 9:04:08pm

My i7 2600k has been running strong for years, unless Haswell E has something to offer I see no need for me to upgrade for a long time.

137 The War TARDIS  Jun 14, 2014 9:04:45pm

The screencapture that caused my questions.

Image: Gold_bars_vault.jpg

I think the Gold Bar’s weight is exaggerated.

138 BongCrodny  Jun 14, 2014 9:05:41pm

re: #131 The War TARDIS

Hey, I have a question that may cause me to mod my Fallout New Vegas.

How thick is a bundle of dollar bills?

About yay thick.

139 goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2014 9:06:19pm

re: #128 Kragar

If you’re not kitbashing Orks, you’re doing them wrong

True, but the Nauts just look awful compared to the Kans, Dread and Stompa models. Flash Gits are kind of meh for the price too.

The mek guns are a huge improvement, but anything would be. The old big guns models were so embarassing they’ve been out of print for a long time.

What I really want to see is a better buggy / halftrack model, the current ones are atrocious. I think they’re the oldest / longest running models in the history of 40K.

140 freetoken  Jun 14, 2014 9:08:50pm

re: #137 The War TARDIS

I can’t tell from the photo what the scale is, i.e., if the table and wall plaque really are as big as they appear.

But those would be extra large gold bars assuming the table is about a meter higher.

Those bars seem to be very deep, which means they would have been open cast, poured from a crucible.

141 goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2014 9:09:12pm

re: #131 The War TARDIS

Hey, I have a question that may cause me to mod my Fallout New Vegas.

How thick is a bundle of dollar bills?

A little over a centimeter.

Edit: for a bundle of one hundred.

142 The War TARDIS  Jun 14, 2014 9:09:46pm

re: #137 The War TARDIS

Doing research on the size of the dollar bill, plus looking at the size of the pre-war money in front of it, and the density of gold, I think the weight of the Gold Bars should be 14-15 Pounds, preferably close to 14.55 lbs.

143 Kragar  Jun 14, 2014 9:09:59pm

re: #139 goddamnedfrank

True, but the Nauts just look awful compared to the Kans, Dread and Stompa models. Flash Gits are kind of meh for the price too.

The mek guns are a huge improvement, but anything would be. The old big guns models were so embarassing they’ve been out of print for a long time.

What I really want to see is a better buggy / halftrack model, the current ones are atrocious. I think they’re the oldest / longest running models in the history of 40K.

Yeah, the buggies haven’t been updated in a while

144 palomino  Jun 14, 2014 9:10:37pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

You are in error in saying that “Iraq’s current problems all stem from the fact that we invaded them for no fucking reason in the aftermath of 9/11”. In fact, the foundation of the Sunni / Shia friction can be properly laid on Saddam Hussein’s grave. Saddam was Sunni and under his leadership the Ba’ath Party ran Iraq for Sunnis first, with Sunnis getting subsidies and Shia suffering systematic discrimination and repression.

Saddam’s reign left Iraq’s Sunnis with a bad attitude, missing the “good old days” when they ruled Iraq and in too many cases being willing to support Islamic Radicals to get that control back.

Iraq’s Shiites, meanwhile, hold a grudge because of the wrongs the Sunnis visited upon them under Saddam and in too many cases think disenfranchising the Sunnis is OK because to them the Sunnis are exploiters who don’t deserve a say in government.

Much of that animosity originated post-2003, but the majority of it was caused before the first bomb fell in that year.

Enough already with carrying water for the Bush Administration on Iraq. They fucked up, period. If you’re gonna be an honest partisan, you have to admit that your side makes mistakes once in a while. Best to just admit it and move on. Otherwise you end up sounding like a dead ender who can’t accept that his side lost.

Yeah, we all know that the US didn’t create the Sunni-Shia conflict. We merely lit the fuse on a powder keg by invading. Maybe we can finally learn the lesson that this division in the MidEast isn’t something we can bend to our will. And then we can leave well enough alone.

145 BongCrodny  Jun 14, 2014 9:12:40pm

re: #138 BongCrodny

About yay thick.

Snark aside — it was a very ambiguous question — I think I found what you’re looking for:

The thickness of a single one dollar bills measures .0043 inches or .0000000679 miles. The height of a stack of 100 one dollar bills measures .43 inches. The height of a stack of 1,000 one dollar bills measures 4.3 inches.

146 palomino  Jun 14, 2014 9:13:52pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

No, i don’t remember that movie. It’s not something my family would have watched.

That’s kinda sad. Why wouldn’t they watch it?

147 The War TARDIS  Jun 14, 2014 9:18:55pm

re: #140 freetoken

They look to be the same size as the little bundles of pre-war money.

The money should be about 15.6 cm long, and 6.63 cm wide. And the budble looks to be about half as deep as it is wide. That gave me the original weight, went combined with info on the density of gold.

re: #145 BongCrodny

Going by that measure, it would be about 4.8 pounds. Think I will download the GECK Editor and fix it for my next playthrough.

148 The War TARDIS  Jun 14, 2014 9:20:06pm

Also, for a nation looking to cut cost, we aren’t willing to give up much for it:

On November 29, 2012, a House subcommittee met to consider replacing the dollar bill. This action took place after the seventh Government Accountability Office report on the subject. The latest report claimed that switching to dollar coins would save $4.4 billion over thirty years. However, according to polls, few Americans want to give up dollar bills.

149 bratwurst  Jun 14, 2014 9:22:39pm

re: #146 palomino

That’s kinda sad. Why wouldn’t they watch it?

My theory: might have caused someone to question Reagan’s policies.

Personally I was going to high school right in the part of the country depicted in the film at that time (Kansas City/Lawrence, KS). It caused me to think a wee bit!

150 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 14, 2014 9:24:18pm

re: #129 Romantic Heretic

The Mossie is one of the prettiest aircraft of all time, and one of the most badass.

Only wwII bird prettier was the F15 Reporter.

151 Killgore Trout  Jun 14, 2014 9:41:20pm

Daughter of the former Iraqi dictator ‘Saddam’ happy about insurgency in Iraq

Speakign to the al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper, Raghad Hussain who is Saddam’s oldest daughter, expressed happiness that her uncle, Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, and his Naqshbandi followers along with the ISIL took up arms against the Iraqi army and government.

She said she was happy that her uncle, who is also leader of the Iraqi Baath party, was successful in uniting other groups, including ISIL, for seizing Sunni-dominated areas of Iraq.

152 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 14, 2014 9:42:02pm

re: #127 Gus

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Did the Mosquito have V10 engines?

I only count 5 exhaust pipes on the side toward the camera.

153 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 9:43:46pm

re: #152 BeenHereAwhile

Did the Mosquito have V10 engines?

I only count 5 exhaust pipes on the side toward the camera.

Says here V-12.

154 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 9:46:06pm

re: #152 BeenHereAwhile

Did the Mosquito have V10 engines?

I only count 5 exhaust pipes on the side toward the camera.

1 exhaust is two into one per an RC forum. Pic.

Image: a5480106-4-engine.jpg

155 teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2014 9:54:46pm
156 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 14, 2014 9:56:41pm

re: #154 Gus

1 exhaust is two into one per an RC forum. Pic.

Image: a5480106-4-engine.jpg

Thanks.

The RR Merlins (I’m guessing that is what is powering the Mosquito), I’ve seen didn’t have the forward two cylinders exhausting into one stack.

157 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 10:17:27pm
158 klys  Jun 14, 2014 10:27:11pm

re: #147 The War TARDIS

They look to be the same size as the little bundles of pre-war money.

The money should be about 15.6 cm long, and 6.63 cm wide. And the budble looks to be about half as deep as it is wide. That gave me the original weight, went combined with info on the density of gold.

Going by that measure, it would be about 4.8 pounds. Think I will download the GECK Editor and fix it for my next playthrough.

Gold is dense as shit and therefore very heavy for size.

If you want to mod it to change that, that’s fine, but the reality is thus. One kilogram of gold (a standard size of gold bar in current investment type trades, according to Google) is worth ~$41k.

159 Kragar  Jun 14, 2014 10:34:27pm

re: #158 klys

Gold is dense as shit and therefore very heavy for size.

If you want to mod it to change that, that’s fine, but the reality is thus. One kilogram of gold (a standard size of gold bar in current investment type trades, according to Google) is worth ~$41k.

I usually just ended up taking as much of the gear as I could, then whatever excess gold bars I could manage

160 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 10:35:02pm
161 The War TARDIS  Jun 14, 2014 10:42:40pm

re: #158 klys

So, adjusting the worth means just one of them is worth, in game anyway, 411k……

The exchange rate in game is nice enough, thanks.

162 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 10:45:58pm
163 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 10:47:51pm
164 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 10:51:39pm
165 Gus  Jun 14, 2014 10:52:15pm
166 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 12:56:06am

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

Saddam’s reign left Iraq’s Sunnis with a bad attitude, missing the “good old days” when they ruled Iraq and in too many cases being willing to support Islamic Radicals to get that control back.

Iraq’s Shiites, meanwhile, hold a grudge because of the wrongs the Sunnis visited upon them under Saddam and in too many cases think disenfranchising the Sunnis is OK because to them the Sunnis are exploiters who don’t deserve a say in government.

And just what the fuck do you think invading for no fucking reason, deposing Saddam, and leaving a power vacuum would do in that situation? Make the Sunni and Shiite factions in Iraq suddenly like each other?

It’s ultimately our fault that Iraq is in total shambles right now. You’ve made my point for me, so how am I wrong?

167 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 2:55:56am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Watch out or I’ll post another Die Antwoord video.

Would you post Cookie Thumper on the FP? No you wouldn’t :P

168 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 3:12:51am

re: #38 Stanley Sea

Then there’s this blend of music and cinematographic industry //

Youtube Video

Youtube Video

169 Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2014 3:36:25am

re: #29 b.d.

That is truly a bizarre music video. I hear an Oingo Boingo influence too?

Best of luck to them and I hope that they become as big a French rock band as………..

Mylene Farmer.

Youtube Video

She’s 52. Believe it…..or not!

170 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 4:09:37am

I blame Obama. /////

Renegade Libyan general launches offensive against Islamist militants in the eastern city of Benghazi - @Reuters
Read more on reuters.com

171 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 4:10:27am

WTF? is with the comment on this one?

172 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 4:16:53am

re: #171 FemNaziBitch

WTF? is with the comment on this one?

Angry drunk?

173 Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2014 4:21:29am

re: #171 FemNaziBitch

I think the poster was trying to poke fun at the RWNJ’s knee-jerk tendencies that when President Obama makes a positive remark in favor of something or another, then the wingnuts immediately conclude it must be the worst thing ever.

So if President Obama says that a man should be a good father, etc., then the RWNJ’s will immediately take the opposite tack.

174 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 4:25:33am

re: #173 Dr Lizardo

I think the poster was trying to poke fun at the RWNJ’s knee-jerk tendencies that when President Obama makes a positive remark in favor of something or another, then the wingnuts immediately conclude it must be the worst thing ever.

So if President Obama says that a man should be a good father, etc., then the RWNJ’s will immediately take the opposite tack.

should have used a sarc tag

175 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 4:26:54am
176 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 4:28:05am

Happy Father’s Day!

177 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 4:42:58am

Not that I want to insult Iggy, but this is too good.

178 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 4:49:47am

re: #174 FemNaziBitch

should have used a sarc tag

It would be much too much, what with the sarcasm overdose in the comment itself. Sarcasm poisoning could ensue ;)

179 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 5:02:37am

re: #178 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

It would be much too much, what with the sarcasm overdose in the comment itself. Sarcasm poisoning could ensue ;)

I don’t know, talk about murdering families/children isn’t something I take lightly.

180 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 5:04:10am

re: #169 Dr Lizardo

Mylene Farmer.

[Embedded content]

She’s 52. Believe it…..or not!

She’s no Edith Piaf. More Madonna.

Some of these modern entertainers are just too cynical for my taste and bring up my own cynical take on them. They have never experienced real deprivation, horror, hunger, crime, involuntary displacement and the deaths of those closest to them by outside forces. Those who did maintained hope and didn’t see improvement in a given situation as a Sisyphean task. Certainly personal experience with such things gives you a completely different take on the world. Sucking up impressionistic entertainment of negativity and explicit themes in the world is completely and utterly different. It’s like joyless sex, and gluttony without tasting the food you eat. Only a narcissistic society could achieve that level of cynicism and be entertained by it.

181 Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2014 5:10:34am

re: #180 Justanotherhuman

She’s no Edith Piaf. More Madonna.

Some of these modern entertainers are just too cynical for my taste and bring up my own cynical take on them. They have never experienced real deprivation, horror, hunger, crime, involuntary displacement and the deaths of those closest to them by outside forces. Those who did maintained hope and didn’t see improvement in a given situation as a Sisyphean task. Certainly personal experience with such things gives you a completely different take on the world. Sucking up impressionistic entertainment of negativity and explicit themes in the world is completely and utterly different. It’s like joyless sex, and gluttony without tasting the food you eat. Only a narcissistic society could achieve that level of cynicism and be entertained by it.

Mylene Farmer has been called the Madonna of the Francophone world; naturally, she’s hugely popular in France, but also - oddly - in Russia. Yeah, she’s no Edith Piaf, but I like her when I’m in the mood for some pop music. She’s a damned sight better than Miley Cyrus or Britney Spears.

182 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 5:14:22am

I’m going back to bed

bbl

183 Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2014 5:16:07am


Private Team Delays Engine Restart for 36-Year-Old NASA Probe

space.com

Recycling of a high order.

(Accch. Thanos mounted a page on it while I was fiddling the copypasta.)

184 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 5:34:38am

So, will the militants listen to Sistani? Jave they already gone too far or is this just a fear tactic?

Militants Claim Mass Execution of Iraqi Soldiers

nytimes.com

185 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 5:36:35am

These days, I’m a fan of Coeur de Pirate. She’s a Canadian singer-songwriter and reminds me a lot of A Fine Frenzy. I don’t speak a word of French, but I like what she does:

Youtube Video

186 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 5:37:00am

re: #181 Dr Lizardo

The music of my childhood :)

187 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 5:42:16am

re: #181 Dr Lizardo

And - Russians love them some catchy European stuff, be it Farmer, Boney M, Army of Lovers, Dschinghis Khan, Arabesques, ABBA, Joe Dassin, Modern Talking, Vacuum and the like. Dunno what’s up with that, just a fact.

188 Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2014 5:44:01am

re: #187 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

And - Russians love them some catchy European stuff, be it Farmer, Boney M, Army of Lovers, Dschinghis Khan, Arabesques, ABBA, Joe Dassin, Modern Talking, Vacuum and the like. Dunno what’s up with that, just a fact.

Ah, OK. Mylene Farmer is also quite popular here in the Czech Republic as well; I’d never heard of her until I moved here back in 2001. I think she’s pretty much unknown in the United States.

189 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 5:51:05am
190 Romantic Heretic  Jun 15, 2014 6:00:03am

re: #152 BeenHereAwhile

Did the Mosquito have V10 engines?

I only count 5 exhaust pipes on the side toward the camera.

Rolls-Royce Merlins. Most successful engine of the war. It was in the Lancaster behind the Mosquito in the picture, and it made the Mustang the Mustang.

191 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 6:04:05am
192 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 6:07:53am
193 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 6:07:54am
194 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 6:13:02am

Awesome response to Romney’s TV run because not enough people are critizing the president already…

stonekettle.com

All we fought for in Iraq.

All we fought for in Iraq is on the cusp of vanishing.

That’s what Mitt Romney says.

We fought for. We fought for. We.

Oh, so it’s we now, is it, Mitt?

We.

I must have missed you over there, but it was a busy place. We. The guy who helped set up “pro-draft” rallies and yet somehow managed to avoid service in Vietnam is upset about losing what “we” fought for? We.

Yeah, fuck you, Mitt.

And you’re all welcome to quote me on that.

195 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 6:18:24am

re: #194 darthstar

Awesome response to Romney’s TV run because not enough people are critizing the president already…

stonekettle.com

Okay…it’s far more than a fuck you to Mittens…it’s a brilliant rant:

Ours, as they say, is not to reason why, ours is to but do and die, right? At least that’s what Rummy told us and you know, you go into war with the Secretary of Defense you have, not the one you’d like to have. And if Rumsfeld says he’s got the real scoop, it must be true? Right? Sure, that justifies his contempt for us, sure it does.

Except, Rumsfeld’s little masturbation fantasy turned out not to be the case.

But hey, never mind that, Saddam Hussein was threatening us anyway, wasn’t he? Sure he was, in fact, that’s the first time you heard the phrase “Weapons of Mass Destruction” isn’t it? The bastard had nukes and germs and war gas and he was just itching to use them on America, wasn’t he? Heck we even had pictures of “mobile weapons labs” to prove it, isn’t that what Colin Powell told the UN and the world? And by damn Saddam had been buying Yellow Cake uranium from Niger, right? Colin Powell wouldn’t lie to us, would he? He was a hero, a general, he wouldn’t send his comrades into war on a lie now would he?

Except all that turned out to be bullshit too, and Colin Powell was either a dupe of staggering proportions or he was the kind of Soldier who would fuck his buddy right in the ass without so much as a reach-around and I’ll leave it up to you to figure which one is worse.

196 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 6:28:37am

And on asshole McCain

Today, John McCain and Mitt Romney and the rest of the conservative war machine are railing against the President.

McCain stirred from the yellow fog of his bamboo cage and proclaimed in his best Old Man Yelling At Clouds voice, “We won Iraq! Obama lost it!”

Really Johnny Walnuts? Tell me, what did we win? And what have we lost? Please be specific, because I’d really like to know.

We no more “won” Iraq than McCain’s own father “won” Vietnam.

McCain claims he “predicted” the sectarian violence now tearing Iraq apart. Really? Where the hell was clairvoyant John McCain back in 2003 when he voted along with the rest of them to send us into war? And later, where was his great predictive ability when Iraq began tearing itself apart? I guess he was at a Dixie Chicks concert, he must have been out in the lobby ordering a plate of Freedom Fries when his pal George W. Bush let Iraq disintegrate into civil war.

197 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 6:34:05am

You fuckers got rich off the last one, you can damned well pay for this one. And when you run out of money, we’ll take your blood, fair’s fair.

Seriously…go read it if you aren’t already.

stonekettle.com

198 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 6:38:46am
199 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 6:41:42am
200 Archangelus  Jun 15, 2014 6:53:28am

re: #197 darthstar

You fuckers got rich off the last one, you can damned well pay for this one. And when you run out of money, we’ll take your blood, fair’s fair.

Seriously…go read it if you aren’t already.

stonekettle.com

Agreed 1000%. That is one excellent, spot-on post.

201 makeitstop  Jun 15, 2014 6:59:09am

re: #197 darthstar

You fuckers got rich off the last one, you can damned well pay for this one. And when you run out of money, we’ll take your blood, fair’s fair.

Seriously…go read it if you aren’t already.

stonekettle.com

Jim Wright is the only blogger/pundit that can completely shut up the wingnuts I see on Facebook.

The only thing any one of them has said about that new post is that Wright was mean for ‘name-calling.’ When I asked if he disagreed with the thrust of the post, he admitted that Wright was, well, right.

202 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 15, 2014 7:00:12am

Hello, everyone! I’ve had a busy day doing non-Father’s Day stuff, because it’s just another day here in China. Even so, I had a good day.

You music lovers will appreciate this anecdote. I take a city bus to a weekend teaching job every Saturday and Sunday. On today’s trip, the driver patched his music player into the bus PA system. So, instead of listening to a female voice advising us of our next stop, we heard these selections:

Black Sabbath, “God Is Dead?”
Olivia Ong (a Singaporean singer), “The Sounds of Silence”

I would have stayed for more tunes, but I had to get off the Magic Bus.

203 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 7:04:37am

re: #201 makeitstop

When people have to resort to criticizing his language or “name calling” rather than what he said, you know he’s saying what needs to be said.

204 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 7:05:56am

Since it’s Father’s Day and all:

Youtube Video

206 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 7:15:53am

‘A master stroke’

A cartoon which appeared on an official Fatah Facebook page on Sunday depicted three “Jewish” mice caught in what the caption calls a “Master stroke.”

The cartoon was published soon after the kidnapping of three Israelis yeshiva students at the hands of terrorists while they hitchhiked from Gush Etzion.

207 Dark_Falcon  Jun 15, 2014 7:17:03am

re: #205 Killgore Trout

This is a harsh way to start the morning but….
Isis Insurgents Tweet Picture Of Beheaded Man And Boast: ‘This Is Our Ball. It’s Made Of Skin #WorldCup’ (GRAPHIC)

And thus to Jim Wright I retort: Letting scum who do this control Iraq is intolerable. Preventing it is worth whatever some airstrikes weapons supply, and trainers will cost.

208 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 7:18:20am
209 Dark_Falcon  Jun 15, 2014 7:21:30am

re: #206 Killgore Trout

‘A master stroke’

That cartoon reminds me irresistibly of Maus. Given the anti-Jewish views of Fatah, I do not consider the comparison a Godwin.

210 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 7:21:53am

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

And thus to Jim Wright I retort: Letting scum who do this control Iraq is intolerable. Preventing it is worth whatever some airstrikes weapons supply, and trainers will cost.

You retort? How many tours did you do again? That’s right. Fucking zero. If you’re not going to enlist, don’t tell the veterans what sacrifice you’re willing to have them make. Fucking pathetic couch warrior.

Good morning.

211 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 15, 2014 7:22:52am

re: #208 darthstar

If God does indeed wear a necktie, what event does he wear it to — a strategy meeting of the Immortals? A Friar’s roast of Zeus? Athena’s coming out party?*

* Kudos to whomever can say what she came out of.

212 Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2014 7:23:47am

re: #211 wheat-dogghazi

If God does indeed wear a necktie, what event does he wear it to — a strategy meeting of the Immortals? A Friar’s roast of Zeus? Athena’s coming out party?*

* Kudos to whomever can say what she came out of.

She confused Father’s Day and Mother’s Day.

213 makeitstop  Jun 15, 2014 7:26:53am

re: #203 Lidane

When people have to resort to criticizing his language or “name calling” rather than what he said, you know he’s saying what needs to be said.

And the absolute beauty of it is it’s coming from someone who was there and actually knows about what he’s criticizing. The RWNJs would love to dismiss Wright as just another anonymous hippie, but none of them dare.

214 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2014 7:27:06am
215 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 7:27:12am

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

And thus to Jim Wright I retort: Letting scum who do this control Iraq is intolerable. Preventing it is worth whatever some airstrikes weapons supply, and trainers will cost.

Then let’s send all the kids and grandkids of every Republican in Congress and every RWNJ blogger to go and provide those air strikes, weapons supplies, and training. It’s only fair, since they’re the ones who pushed for the Iraq War in the first place.

Let them pay a real, tangible cost for once. Maybe then the GOP would see the VA as an earned expense rather than an entitlement program that costs too much.

216 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 15, 2014 7:28:21am

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

And thus to Jim Wright I retort: Letting scum who do this control Iraq is intolerable. Preventing it is worth whatever some airstrikes weapons supply, and trainers will cost.

Start advocating some massive tax increases here to cover infrastructure and military spending first. And then get back to me.

That’s the same interventionist rhetoric that should have had us invade Syria, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, etc. etc. over a decade ago.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.*

* - Though I’m one of the ones who thought the first go round into Iraq was a bad idea since it was obvious we did not have the political capital, means, or will to even start doing it properly; e.g. with a lot more troops and the political understanding it would be a long, expensive slog to set up a proper peace after the war. Then again, if that was how those in power had sold it at the time there is a good chance they wouldn’t have gotten the votes and support to go in. Odd how that works.

217 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 7:29:00am

Thomas Friedman: 5 Principles for Iraq

218 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 15, 2014 7:29:08am

re: #211 wheat-dogghazi

If God does indeed wear a necktie, what event does he wear it to — a strategy meeting of the Immortals? A Friar’s roast of Zeus? Athena’s coming out party?*

* Kudos to whomever can say what she came out of.

I think it would have happened during the Friar’s roast of Zeus.

219 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 7:29:16am

re: #213 makeitstop

And the absolute beauty of it is it’s coming from someone who was there and actually knows about what he’s criticizing. The RWNJs would love to dismiss Wright as just another anonymous hippie, but none of them dare.

Ever notice how the first ones who call for war tend to be the people who have never served, and the harshest critics of idiotic military policy tend to be veterans?

Yeah. There’s a reason for that.

220 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 7:29:49am
221 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 7:30:06am

re: #217 Killgore Trout

Give Friedman another six months. He’ll change his mind.

222 makeitstop  Jun 15, 2014 7:31:00am

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

And thus to Jim Wright I retort: Letting scum who do this control Iraq is intolerable. Preventing it is worth whatever some airstrikes weapons supply, and trainers will cost.

Nope. Not again. We’re fortunate enough to have a pragmatic president who sees the pitfalls this time, not some war-mongering hothead with a VP looking for a payday.

Those war-mongering bastards - from Cheney, McCain and Huckleberry on down - can take their masturbatory fantasies of war and stick them right wherte the sun don’t shine..

223 Dark_Falcon  Jun 15, 2014 7:31:36am

re: #215 Lidane

Drop the absurd ideas and then provide a real alternative. The price of oil is going up already and prolonged major civil conflict in Iraq will make it much worse. There’s also the fact that it will allow the problems Western nations are already having with residents and citizens going off to fight for the jihadis to continue.

225 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 7:33:05am

re: #221 Lidane

Give Friedman another six months. He’ll change his mind.

Yes there’s already outrage over his reasonable opinion
Fire Thomas Friedman

226 makeitstop  Jun 15, 2014 7:33:25am

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Drop the absurd ideas and then provide a real alternative.

Stay the fuck out of it.

227 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 15, 2014 7:34:14am

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Drop the absurd ideas and then provide a real alternative. The price of oil is going up already and prolonged major civil conflict in Iraq will make it much worse. There’s also the fact that it will allow the problems Western nations are already having with residents and citizens going off to fight for the jihadis to continue.

Fine. Start major funding of alternatives to using oil. Make the ME oil unimportant to world economy and the money they use for violence starts to dry up and their leverage on the rest of the world dries up as well.

How’s that?

228 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 7:34:32am

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Drop the absurd ideas and then provide a real alternative. The price of oil is going up already and prolonged major civil conflict in Iraq will make it much worse. There’s also the fact that it will allow the problems Western nations are already having with residents and citizens going off to fight for the jihadis to continue.

So it’s absurd for your political allies to contribute to a war effort because the price of oil?

Fuck this shit. I’m gonna walk the dogs.

229 Dark_Falcon  Jun 15, 2014 7:34:33am

re: #220 darthstar

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230 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 7:35:51am

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

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Yep. They’ll be re-elected and can go back to doing nothing but trying to overturn ACA and regulate women’s vaginas.

231 Dark_Falcon  Jun 15, 2014 7:36:07am

re: #227 Feline Fearless Leader

Fine. Start major funding of alternatives to using oil. Make the ME oil unimportant to world economy and the money they use for violence starts to dry up and their leverage on the rest of the world dries up as well.

How’s that?

That won’t work, not for a long time. We need right now solutions, not what would work ten years from now.

232 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 7:36:19am

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Yes there’s already outrage over his reasonable opinion
Fire Thomas Friedman

Why isn’t the outrage in the headlines?!?!

233 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 7:36:50am

BEES

234 makeitstop  Jun 15, 2014 7:36:54am

re: #231 Dark_Falcon

That won’t work, not for a long time. We need right now solutions, not what would work ten years from now.

And what’s a better right now solution than MOAR WAR?

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235 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 7:37:14am
236 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 7:37:23am

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Here’s a real alternative — refuse to intervene until the Iraqi government steps up to the plate to figure it out for themselves.

They asked us to leave, remember? We’re done. We have no business getting involved all over again without real, concrete changes by the Iraqi government first. We already got into one Republican led clusterfuck over there. We don’t need to go back into another war in Iraq. Everyone who criticized the warmongering was right. We invaded and destabilized them for no goddamn reason. Their current chaos is on us, but without a damn good reason WHY we need to go back, we shouldn’t.

237 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 15, 2014 7:38:09am

re: #231 Dark_Falcon

That won’t work, not for a long time. We need right now solutions, not what would work ten years from now.

If we don’t start working on a long term solution at some point, we will never get a solution. Going from quagmire to quagmire is not a solution either in addition to being insane.

238 Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2014 7:39:23am

re: #231 Dark_Falcon

That won’t work, not for a long time. We need right now solutions, not what would work ten years from now.

Tax oil until it becomes too expensive to waste. You can use the revenue raised to fund your Mad Minute over Baghdad.

239 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 7:42:30am

Mondoweiss doesn’t like it therefore if you don’t like it you’re just like Mondoweiss and hate Israel. Or something.

240 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 7:43:08am

The return of the morning wingnut wave.

241 makeitstop  Jun 15, 2014 7:44:00am

re: #236 Lidane

Everyone who criticized the warmongering was right. We invaded and destabilized them for no goddamn reason.

This. We were right. And what did we get for pointing it out? Ask Max Cleland. Ask the Dixie Chicks or Phil Donohue or Bill Maher, or the hundreds of thousands who hit the streets to protest.

We were called Un-American. Appeasers and sympathizers. A Fifth Column. We were derided, insulted, degraded, threatened and marginalized by the people who were wrong.

Fuck that. Fuck them. Stay out of it.

242 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 7:44:22am

re: #240 Charles Johnson

The return of the morning wingnut wave.

Our only hope is that Obama bombs ISIS and then it will stop. :D

243 Dark_Falcon  Jun 15, 2014 7:47:48am

This isn’t working, and frankly I’ve got other things I need to focus on today. I’ll be back tomorrow or more likely later in the week. But right now all I’m doing is ticking folks here off and that isn’t useful or good.

Therefore I bid you all a happy Father’s Day and I’ll see you when I see you.

244 piratedan  Jun 15, 2014 7:51:13am

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

and yes, you’re speaking of political perception as it now stands DF, but your party is dead inside and they don’t seem to know it yet. You’re on the wrong side of just about every single issue and I know that deep inside that you secretly loathe what your party has become.

Happy Fathers Day!

245 GeneJockey  Jun 15, 2014 7:52:18am

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

And thus to Jim Wright I retort: Letting scum who do this control Iraq is intolerable. Preventing it is worth whatever some airstrikes weapons supply, and trainers will cost.

We didn’t manage to prevent this with 4500 American lives and > $1e12 in spending, a lot of it on airstrikes, weapons supply, and trainers. What makes you think more of the same will do the trick? Or do we just spend 4500 lives and $1E12 every 10 years forever?

246 Flounder  Jun 15, 2014 7:52:41am

re: #240 Charles Johnson

You are welcome.

247 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 7:52:44am

re: #241 makeitstop

This. We were right. And what did we get for pointing it out? Ask Max Cleland. Ask the Dixie Chicks or Phil Donohue or Bill Maher, or the hundreds of thousands who hit the streets to protest.

We were called Un-American. Appeasers and sympathizers. A Fifth Column. We were derided, insulted, degraded, threatened and marginalized by the people who were wrong.

Fuck that. Fuck them. Stay out of it.

Yep. I spent the entire Bush presidency being called a terrorist sympathizer and a traitor for saying the exact same things I’m still saying years later.

The people who said that invading Iraq would be easy, and that we’d be greeted as liberators, and that the Iraqis would let us loot and pillage their oil to pay for it all are now making noise about going back in? What the fuck for? We’re done. We left. The Iraqi government wanted us gone and we are. We invaded, we destabilized them, we ruined our moral standing in the world, and we directly created the power vacuum that has Iraq in chaos now. Mission fucking accomplished. Hang the banners from the aircraft carriers and throw a party.

The bottom line is that there ARE no alternatives. Not without a good fucking reason WHY we need to intervene. Iraq can’t even assemble a quorum of their own government and it’s supposed to be our job to save them from ISIS? No. Let them stand up and do it for themselves first.

248 BongCrodny  Jun 15, 2014 7:54:39am

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Yes there’s already outrage over his reasonable opinion
Fire Thomas Friedman

Wow! Citing the 14,248th most popular site in the U.S., and an article with two comments to make your point.

Yeah, that’s pretty outrageous.

249 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 7:56:05am

re: #242 Gus

Our only hope is that Obama bombs ISIS and then it will stop. :D

I tend to agree with Tom Friedman

The answers still aren’t clear to me, and, until they are, I’d be very wary about intervening.

Just because he expresses himself without anti-Republican spittle and rage doesn’t mean he’s a war monger. In fact, when Obama does decide on a course of action or inaction, Freidman may end up being more dovish than Obama. We’ll have to wait an see.

250 makeitstop  Jun 15, 2014 7:57:20am

re: #247 Lidane

Yep. I spent the entire Bush presidency being called a terrorist sympathizer and a traitor for saying the exact same things I’m still saying years later.

The people who said that invading Iraq would be easy, and that we’d be greeted as liberators, and that the Iraqis would let us loot and pillage their oil to pay for it all are now making noise about going back in? What the fuck for? We’re done. We left. The Iraqi government wanted us gone and we are. We invaded, we destabilized them, we ruined our moral standing in the world, and we directly created the power vacuum that has Iraq in chaos now. Mission fucking accomplished. Hang the banners from the aircraft carriers and throw a party.

The bottom line is that there ARE no alternatives. Not without a good fucking reason WHY we need to intervene. Iraq can’t even assemble a quorum of their own government and it’s supposed to be our job to save them from ISIS? No. Let them stand up and do it for themselves first.

You sound every bit as jumped up about this as I am. :)

And everyone who was wrong all along - wrong for invading, wrong for occupying, wrong for disbanding the goddamn Iraqi Army (the worst mistake besides going in in the first place), wrong on every prediction - are now trying to foist this failure off on Obama.

Wrong to the very end. Birdbrains.

251 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 7:58:53am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

You’re an idiot. Friedman supported the Iraq War and was one of the biggest cheerleaders for invasion.

More dovish than Obama? Sure. If you have no context at all and have never read anything Friedman wrote during the Bush years.

252 GeneJockey  Jun 15, 2014 8:00:27am

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Drop the absurd ideas and then provide a real alternative. The price of oil is going up already and prolonged major civil conflict in Iraq will make it much worse. There’s also the fact that it will allow the problems Western nations are already having with residents and citizens going off to fight for the jihadis to continue.

Dude, “a real alternative”? Howsabout YOU provide an alternative to doing the same thing again hoping for a different result?

Consider Iraq as if it were an hypothesis: That the US can topple a brutal dictatorship in a country with a long history of sectarian division, and WITHOUT a long history as an actual nation, and by virtue of being the Good Guys, set up a stable, pluralistic, Western-style Democracy that will be our permanent ally.

The Null Hypothesis is that we can’t.

We’ve spent 4500 American lives, and > $1e12, and most of a decade, and we’ve failed to disprove the Null Hypothesis. Your hypothesis is disproved.

253 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 8:01:26am

Looks like the military alliance with Iran idea is getting some bipartisan support
Graham: We must work with Iran

Sen. Lindsey Graham said the U.S. must quickly work with Iran to help stabilize Iraq before an Al Qaeda-linked group takes over Baghdad.

But the South Carolina Republican warned that the cooperation must come with strict guidelines for Tehran against seizing land in the southern part of Iraq.

“We’re going to probably need to their help to hold Baghdad,” Graham said on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” while cautioning that Tehran’s goal is to “create a sectarian Iraq. To have a puppet in Baghdad that is a Shia-dominated government where they control the outcome.”

He added, “But in the short term, why did we deal with Stalin? Because he was not as bad as Hitler, in our eyes. We’re going to have to have some dialogue with the Iranians that says let’s coordinate our efforts but has some red lines with the Iranians.”

254 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 15, 2014 8:01:46am

One again, my state shows a knack for being #1 on lists no one wants to be at the top of…

Mississippi named most corrupt state in the Union

Mississippi has finally got a top ranking among the states. Problem is, it’s an achievement the state can do without.

A study by researchers Cheol Liu from the City University of Hong Kong and Indiana University’s John L. Mikesell found corruption in Mississippi was tops among the states from 1976 through 2008. The study sized up the effect of public corruption — measured by convictions — on state spending. Data after 2008 for all of the areas of their research was incomplete.

According to the study, the 10 most-corrupt states could have reduced per capita spending by an average of $1,308 if they had average corruption levels. The study found states in the top 10 tend to focus spending on “bribe-generating” spending and items directly beneficial to public officials such as capital projects, construction, highways, borrowing and total salaries and wages.

Louisiana and Tennessee came in at #2 and #3, respectively.

255 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 8:02:22am

The Guardian has its panties in a wad and is clutching its pearls this morning. Written by Shaun Walker who lives in Moscow, not Britain or Ukraine. Go figure.

Ukraine’s foreign minister caught on camera making abusive remarks about Russian President Vladimir Putin outside the Russian embassy in Kiev on Saturday night - @guardian
Read more on theguardian.com

256 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 15, 2014 8:02:46am

re: #253 Killgore Trout

Looks like the military alliance with Iran idea is getting some bipartisan support
Graham: We must work with Iran

AA: It’s a trap!

257 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 15, 2014 8:03:54am

Do you know what would happen if we sent thousands of troops and resources into Iraq and re “liberated” it?

The same fucking thing that’s happening right now.

We can’t stop this, we can only delay it at a cost that is simply not worth it. With Saddam gone, this was inevitably what would happen. Iraq must learn to deal with their own internal conflicts. I support non intervention. I firmly believe the U.S. was never meant to be the worlds babysitter.

258 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 8:04:01am

re: #256 Feline Fearless Leader

AA: It’s a trap!

I think so too but it does seem the idea is getting some traction.

259 makeitstop  Jun 15, 2014 8:05:32am

re: #253 Killgore Trout

Looks like the military alliance with Iran idea is getting some bipartisan support
Graham: We must work with Iran

Huckleberry’s got such a chub for war on, he’ll turn to anyone whose shares his bloodlust.

260 GeneJockey  Jun 15, 2014 8:06:49am

re: #256 Feline Fearless Leader

AA: It’s a trap!

That’ll work right up until Obama actually does it. Then it’ll be “See! He’s supporting the Ayatollah! We told you he was a secret Muslim!”

I prefer Obama’s current approach - Prove to us that your ass is worth saving, and we’ll think about it.

261 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 8:06:55am

My plan was to be sleeping right now.

262 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 8:07:04am

Syria pounds ISIL bases in coordination with Iraq: NGO

Syria’s army has been pounding for 24 hours major bases of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant in coordination with the Baghdad government, a monitor said Sunday.

The strikes against ISIL — which has spearheaded a week-long jihadist offensive in Iraq — have been more intense than ever, said the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

“The regime air force has been pounding ISIL’s bases, including those in the northern province of Raqa and Hasakeh in the northeast,” which borders Iraq, said the Britain-based group.

The regime of President Bashar al-Assad was responding to the fact that ISIL “brought into Syria heavy weapons including tanks” captured from the Iraqi army.

263 GeneJockey  Jun 15, 2014 8:07:28am

re: #261 Gus

My plan was to be sleeping right now.

How’s that working out for ya?
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264 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 8:08:22am

re: #263 GeneJockey

How’s that working out for ya?
//

Not very good. Just coughed and now my eyes are watery. Cawfee.

265 The War TARDIS  Jun 15, 2014 8:08:23am

re: #255 Justanotherhuman

Damn right he should be saying mean things about Putin.

266 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 8:09:11am

re: #235 Gus

Sad news. Rest in peace. :(

I worked in radio for a few years and still have friends at different stations. It’s hard to overstate the influence that Casey Kasem had. The man was an absolute giant in the industry.

267 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 8:12:02am
268 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 8:13:36am
269 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 8:14:38am

re: #260 GeneJockey

I prefer Obama’s current approach - Prove to us that your ass is worth saving, and we’ll think about it.

Seriously. We shouldn’t do a damned thing until Iraq shows that they’re doing everything they can on their own first. Right now they can’t even meet in an emergency session. How could we possibly hope to work with their government to combat ISIS when they can’t even get their shit together to figure out an internal solution?

270 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 8:16:04am

Update: 6 killed in 3-alarm Newark fire

pix11.com

“According to neighbors, a woman, her daughter and two young grandchildren live in the house where the fire started. Officials have yet to determine the cause of the fire.”

Notice what’s on the corner.

271 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 8:16:14am

Trying to decide if I should get out of the house for a while. I’m tired of staring at the same four walls.

Maybe I’ll hit the library or go for a walk later. Hmmm.

272 GeneJockey  Jun 15, 2014 8:16:27am

re: #267 darthstar

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They still don’t get the lessons of Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. They still think we can kill our way to peace, that we can bomb civilian populations into loving us, that if we JUST TRY HARDER, all our dreams will come true.

This is the problem with Faith-Based policy - it’s not subject to revision in the face of contradictory reality.

273 GeneJockey  Jun 15, 2014 8:19:19am

re: #271 Lidane

Trying to decide if I should get out of the house for a while. I’m tired of staring at the same four walls.

Maybe I’ll hit the library or go for a walk later. Hmmm.

I went through that yesterday afternoon. Ended up taking the Challenger out for a drive and, now that it’s all broken in, making some noise. That got me out of my funk and I finally stripped down the watch I’m doing for a friend.

274 bubba zanetti  Jun 15, 2014 8:19:26am

re: #272 GeneJockey

They still don’t get the lessons of Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. They still think we can kill our way to peace, that we can bomb civilian populations into loving us, that if we JUST TRY CLAP HARDER, all our dreams will come true.

This is the problem with Faith-Based policy - it’s not subject to revision in the face of contradictory reality.

FTFY

275 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 8:22:30am

Despite Iranian denials there are still reports of up to 2.000 Iranian troops
Iran sends troops into Iraq to aid fight against Isis militants

Iran has sent 2,000 advance troops to Iraq in the past 48 hours to help tackle a jihadist insurgency, a senior Iraqi official has told the Guardian.

276 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2014 8:23:00am
277 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 8:24:01am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Apparently Romney and Wolfowitz was on.

278 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 8:24:15am
279 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 8:25:36am
280 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 8:27:15am
281 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 8:29:07am

re: #275 Killgore Trout

Despite Iranian denials there are still reports of up to 2.000 Iranian troops
Iran sends troops into Iraq to aid fight against Isis militants

How confusing it must be for an old(er) Iraqi citizen

For years (decades) they fought against Iran and now, here they are hoping someone,, ANYONE, comes to their aid

So when all the dust settles Iran will be THE dominate force in the entire region with it’s alliance with Syria, (looks like) soon to be with Iraq,, it’s influence in Lebanon and it’s backing factions in the West Bank and the Gaza strip

I would love to be a fly on the wall in a meeting with the Saudi leadership

282 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 8:29:33am

Another stupid white people siting in Texas

283 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 8:31:03am

re: #281 sattv4u2

I would love to be a fly on the wall in a meeting with the Saudi leadership

Not to mention Turkeys also

284 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 8:31:11am

re: #282 darthstar

Another stupid white people siting in Texas

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I hope that mgr gets fired.

Did he check with corporate first?

285 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 8:31:30am

re: #281 sattv4u2

I would love to be a fly on the wall in a meeting with the Saudi leadership

So…Our greatest enemy, Iran, will be exerting control over our greatest enemy, Iraq, and there will be much unrest. This should be good for at least another $47 a barrel.

286 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 8:32:05am

re: #284 Justanotherhuman

I hope that mgr gets fired.

Did he check with corporate first?

Not just fired. Fired in front of the entire staff.

287 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 8:33:08am
288 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 8:34:07am

re: #285 darthstar

So…Our greatest enemy, Iran, will be exerting control over our greatest enemy, Iraq, and there will be much unrest. This should be good for at least another $47 a barrel.

Could be

I remember back in 2004/ 05 (ish) when a barrel ‘jumped’ to $60

There was much outrage against Bush for covering for and protecting “his Saudi buddies”

Today, oil is at $105 a barrel, but I don’t see much (read ,, NONE) about whose covering for who

289 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 8:34:45am
290 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 8:35:08am
291 Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2014 8:35:09am

re: #283 sattv4u2

I would love to be a fly on the wall in a meeting with the Saudi leadership

Not to mention Turkeys also

Turkey and Iran have been quite chummy as of late. They view cooperation with each other as a good thing to have; after all, both of these nations are the remnants of former empires.

I’m sure the Turks wouldn’t be too entirely displeased to see Iran play a more substantial role in the region - indeed, I do believe that is the current stance of the AKP government.

292 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 8:35:54am

re: #288 sattv4u2

Today, oil is at $105 a barrel, but I don’t see much (read ,, NONE) about whose covering for who

Whom.

293 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 8:37:18am

re: #288 sattv4u2

Today, oil is at $105 a barrel, but I don’t see much (read ,, NONE) about whose covering for who

And who’s.

But I’ve gotten used to paying $4.29 a gallon. That’s why I’m about to buy a vehicle that gets 14 miles per gallon (8 highway, 6 city).

294 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 8:40:41am

re: #281 sattv4u2

I would love to be a fly on the wall in a meeting with the Saudi leadership

the Saudis have lots of money to spend and my guess is they’re furiously ordering military equipment from anyone who can deliver it the fastest. Maybe even making a down payment on a Pakistani nuke or two.

295 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 8:43:19am

re: #291 Dr Lizardo

Turkey and Iran have been quite chummy as of late. They view cooperation with each other as a good thing to have; after all, both of these nations are the remnants of former empires.

I’m sure the Turks wouldn’t be too entirely displeased to see Iran play a more substantial role in the region - indeed, I do believe that is the current stance of the AKP government.

Yup, I think the Turks have already adjusted to the new reality in the region and are more than willing to work with Iran. Turkey gets the benefit of reducing the ISIS threat from Syria and the Kurdish nuisance from Iraq.

296 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 15, 2014 8:43:49am

re: #294 Killgore Trout

the Saudis have lots of money to spend and my guess is they’re furiously ordering military equipment from anyone who can deliver it the fastest. Maybe even making a down payment on a Pakistani nuke or two.

I thought the Saudis shopped at “Nukes R Us.”

297 Timothy Watson  Jun 15, 2014 8:44:06am

re: #232 Gus

Why isn’t the outrage in the headlines?!?!

Hey, at least he didn’t use any Friedman Units in his most recent piece.

298 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 15, 2014 8:44:20am

re: #296 Iwouldprefernotto

I thought the Saudis shopped at “Nukes R Us.”

And Happy Father’s Day.

299 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 8:44:37am

Shut up, Rogers, unless you have something constructive to say.

Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., urges President Obama to act in Iraq, saying it is ‘too late to have meetings’ - @thehill
Read more on thehill.com

Cheeeeez.

300 makeitstop  Jun 15, 2014 8:45:51am

I predict: One of the big topics in the mid-terms will be ‘strategic reserve.’

As in Y Obama not taping intu Strategeric Reserv???11ty!

301 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 8:46:16am

re: #299 Justanotherhuman

Shut up, Rogers, unless you have something constructive to say.

Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., urges President Obama to act in Iraq, saying it is ‘too late to have meetings’ - @thehill
Read more on thehill.com

Cheeeeez.

Fuck them. The House is fucking off until Tuesday and haven’t done shit about Iraq for years. They’re too busy holding hearings on every stupid little Obama scandal and trying to repeal the ACA and regulate women.

302 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 8:47:07am

re: #296 Iwouldprefernotto

I thought the Saudis shopped at “Nukes R Us.”

Khaaaaan!

303 Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2014 8:48:30am

re: #295 Killgore Trout

Yup, I think the Turks have already adjusted to the new reality in the region and are more than willing to work with Iran. Turkey gets the benefit of reducing the ISIS threat from Syria and the Kurdish nuisance from Iraq.

To an extent, it also works with the AKP’s (more-or-less) neo-Ottomanist ideology. And there’s a side benefit, as a good many Turks of my acquaintance have expressed there’s nothing more they would love than to see than Saudi Arabia marginalized and kicked down a peg or two.

304 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 8:49:09am
305 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 8:53:46am

re: #304 darthstar

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They’re catering to their elderly audience.

306 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 8:55:53am

re: #305 Gus

They’re catering to their elderly audience.

The menu

Bran flakes

Metamucil

Ben Gay

307 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 8:56:45am

re: #306 sattv4u2

The menu

Bran flakes

Metamucil

Ben Gay

Goldbond powdered gluten free bran flakes.

308 Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2014 8:56:47am

re: #306 sattv4u2

The menu

Bran flakes

Metamucil

Ben Gay

Can’t forget Geritol.

Do they still make that?

309 makeitstop  Jun 15, 2014 8:58:01am

re: #306 sattv4u2

The menu

Bran flakes

Metamucil

Ben Gay

Fear

Mistrust

Confirmation bias

310 Single-handed sailor  Jun 15, 2014 8:58:06am

re: #288 sattv4u2

Could be

I remember back in 2004/ 05 (ish) when a barrel ‘jumped’ to $60

There was much outrage against Bush for covering for and protecting “his Saudi buddies”

Today, oil is at $105 a barrel, but I don’t see much (read ,, NONE) about whose covering for who

Remember in 2008 when it was $145 a barrel?

311 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 8:58:14am

re: #306 sattv4u2

The menu

Bran flakes

Metamucil

Ben Gay

That’s Ben Gay-zi to you.

312 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 9:00:05am

re: #306 sattv4u2

The menu

Bran flakes

Metamucil

Ben Gay

Oh, the arrogance of youth.

Old age is great if you consider the alternative.

313 bratwurst  Jun 15, 2014 9:01:04am

re: #251 Lidane

You’re an idiot. Friedman supported the Iraq War and was one of the biggest cheerleaders for invasion.

Apparently if we are not willing to consider the opinions of people that history has proven totally wrong on a number of issues and/or are absolute blowhards, we are unreasonable.

314 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 9:01:32am

I qualify for AARP. :D

315 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 9:01:46am

re: #310 Single-handed sailor

Remember in 2008 when it was $145 a barrel?

Close

topped at $126

Then a year later, it was back around $53 (2009 average)

316 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 9:05:08am

re: #310 Single-handed sailor

re: #315 sattv4u2

Close

topped at $126

Then a year later, it was back around $53 (2009 average)

nevermind

Just saw another chart showing the $145

And again a year later ,, back to the mid-high $50’s

317 Single-handed sailor  Jun 15, 2014 9:06:51am

re: #316 sattv4u2

nevermind

Just saw another chart showing the $145

And again a year later ,, back to the mid-high $50’s

…after the economy collapsed

318 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 9:07:00am

re: #314 Gus

I qualify for AARP. :D

I’ve been “qualified” for 10 years now

319 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 9:07:53am

Assad’s making huge gains this morning
Syrian Army Crushes Rebel Push Near Turkish Border

Government forces flushed opposition fighters from their last redoubts in northwestern Syria near the Turkish frontier on Sunday, capturing two villages and restoring government control over the border crossing, activists and state media said.

The military’s advances fully reversed the gains rebels had made during their three-month campaign in Latakia province, the rugged coastal region that is the ancestral heartland of President Bashar Assad. The counteroffensive’s success is the latest blow to the rebels, who have suffered a string of bitter recent setbacks in Syria’s more than three-year-old civil war.

320 bratwurst  Jun 15, 2014 9:08:15am

Two real upsides to this:

1) The person in the role presently (Reince Priebus) doesn’t seem up to the job

and

2) Cantor could totally keep his @GOPleader Twitter handle!

321 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 9:14:17am

Yep. A rather clear cut situation there.

322 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 9:17:01am

re: #321 Gus

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Yep. A rather clear cut situation there.

The Kurds are the only somewhat rational actors in the whole mess so they’re fucked. Whoever wins will screw over the Kurds.

323 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 9:17:55am

And the irony of same name-ness…

U.S. vets ‘heartbroken’ as civil war overtakes Iraq

usatoday.com

324 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 9:19:49am

NATO releases new satellite images to support claims by Ukraine and US that Russia had allowed tanks to cross the border into the eastern part of Ukraine - @mashable
Read more on mashable.com

Better link: mashable.com

325 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 9:28:55am

re: #253 Killgore Trout

Looks like the military alliance with Iran idea is getting some bipartisan support
Graham: We must work with Iran

Heh. He even uses the same analogy I did yesterday.

326 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 9:29:11am

re: #324 Justanotherhuman

NATO releases new satellite images to support claims by Ukraine and US that Russia had allowed tanks to cross the border into the eastern part of Ukraine - @mashable
Read more on mashable.com

Hashtag still not honored. ;(

327 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 9:29:15am

re: #211 wheat-dogghazi

If God does indeed wear a necktie, what event does he wear it to — a strategy meeting of the Immortals? A Friar’s roast of Zeus? Athena’s coming out party?*

* Kudos to whomever can say what she came out of.

Zeus’s head

328 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 15, 2014 9:31:11am

Zedushka bought a hose reel but he didn’t buy a new hose “because we already have a bunch of hoses.”

Yeah but they are all tangled together like spaghetti made out of rocks.

Fuck this shit, I’m buying new hoses for the new reel.

329 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 9:31:32am
330 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 9:31:46am

re: #325 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Heh. He even uses the same analogy I did yesterday.

I noticed that too. I still think it’s a bad idea but there is historical precedent and it’s getting some bipartisan support. Maybe it’s not as terrible as I think, Obama might go for it.

331 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 9:32:10am

re: #326 Killgore Trout

Hashtag still not honored. ;(

Maybe “hashtag” translates into something different using the Cyrillic script!

332 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 15, 2014 9:33:21am

Wingnuts still hallucinating that their next “We The People” thing will have more than 20 die-hard teabaggers show up.

333 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 9:33:34am

re: #330 Killgore Trout

To be sure, I’m not saying it’s a good thing (or a bad thing), only that it’s a possible thing.

334 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 9:34:23am

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting change is the definition of?

Afghanistan.

335 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 9:35:32am

WE are not sending troops to Iraq.

We are not spending any more money on Iraq than is currently budgeted.

OUR nation is falling apart.

WE need to work on US.

336 GeneJockey  Jun 15, 2014 9:35:38am

re: #332 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts still hallucinating that their next “We The People” thing will have more than 20 die-hard teabaggers show up.

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Tell her to try winning an election. If you can’t convince a majority of your fellow Americans that you’re right, tough beans. Try again in 4 years. THAT’S the American way.

337 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 9:37:06am

re: #328 Pie-onist Overlord

Zedushka bought a hose reel but he didn’t buy a new hose “because we already have a bunch of hoses.”

Yeah but they are all tangled together like spaghetti made out of rocks.

Fuck this shit, I’m buying new hoses for the new reel.

And the new hoses are lighter weight and easier to handle.

338 kirkspencer  Jun 15, 2014 9:39:34am

re: #329 Gus

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And already there are RWNJs saying this while Iraq has problems is just like Bush and Katrina. I know because I’ve already had the arguments, faithful Obot that I am. ///

339 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 9:40:03am
340 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 9:40:37am

re: #297 Timothy Watson

Hey, at least he didn’t use any Friedman Units in his most recent piece.

Strange that there is a wiki about that. Anyways, reminded me of this.

341 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 9:41:29am

re: #339 FemNaziBitch

Afghan election: Taliban ‘removed voters’ fingers’

Maybe they ran out of I VOTED stickers!

google.com

342 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 9:42:48am

re: #341 sattv4u2

Maybe they ran out of I VOTED stickers!

google.com

Booo //

343 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 9:42:49am
344 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 9:43:45am

re: #342 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Booo //

boo who??

((or is that whose,,,,, or who’s ,, or whom,,, already been corrected on that once today!!!)))

345 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 9:44:30am

re: #341 sattv4u2

Maybe they ran out of I VOTED stickers!

google.com

are you being sarcastic about people losing their fingers?

346 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 9:44:43am

re: #343 FemNaziBitch

Petra finds ‘exceptional’ 122-carat blue diamond

It’s beautiful!

Fuck the diamond industry.

347 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 9:44:46am

re: #344 sattv4u2

boo who??

((or is that whose,,,,, or who’s ,, or whom,,, already been corrected on that once today!!!)))

Heh, good point, you grammar commie./

348 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 9:45:27am

I got it, American’s need to practice Austerity.

That will solve all our problems!!!

349 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 9:45:41am

re: #345 FemNaziBitch

are you being sarcastic about people losing their fingers?

More like mocking the animals that do this

350 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 9:45:43am

re: #346 Justanotherhuman

Fuck the diamond industry.

True, but it is still beautiful.

351 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 9:49:55am

I think I need a vacation. If only I could afford one. Or stop reading the news entirely and become totally out of it.

Catholic University says 1 of its basketball coaches was killed in an accident in Kentucky while riding her bicycle across the country to support cancer research - @AP
Read more on seattlepi.com

You can’t tell me that bastard driving the truck didn’t see those folks.

And no, it wasn’t a “crash”—it was very close to murder.

352 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 9:51:27am
353 JustMark  Jun 15, 2014 9:53:14am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Tough room.

I liked it. Much of pop music is derivative, but so what? The vid was way cool, even had some actual symbolism - I think.

354 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 9:54:52am

re: #351 Justanotherhuman

I think I need a vacation. If only I could afford one. Or stop reading the news entirely and become totally out of it.

Catholic University says 1 of its basketball coaches was killed in an accident in Kentucky while riding her bicycle across the country to support cancer research - @AP
Read more on seattlepi.com

You can’t tell me that bastard driving the truck didn’t see those folks.

And no, it wasn’t a “crash”—it was very close to murder.

I suggest a Science Fiction Binge!

355 FemNaziBitch  Jun 15, 2014 9:55:13am

bbl

356 PhillyPretzel  Jun 15, 2014 10:04:48am

Happy Father’s Day to all my fellow Lizards and their families.

357 freetoken  Jun 15, 2014 10:10:44am

re: #343 FemNaziBitch

Petra finds ‘exceptional’ 122-carat blue diamond

It’s beautiful!

The Cullinan mine is one of the most famous mines in the world, but it looks like a really big hole:

maps.google.com

See also Premier Mine.

358 GeneJockey  Jun 15, 2014 10:11:21am

My neighbor seems to combine several personality traits that work poorly together:

He is slightly obsessive.

He is impulsive.

He has an excessively high opinion of his own opinion.

He’s a dumbfuck.

Now, he’s having to have his Not-A-Contractor un-build the 30 x 10 foot shed he started building that encroached on our property, because he 1) didn’t pay close attention to the property map in his deed, 2) didn’t hire a surveyor, 3) didn’t get a permit, and 4) hired a Guy Who Does Construction, rather than a Licensed Contractor who would have told him he needed a permit, and might have suggested he look into property lines before building his fucking shed.

He tried to gain my sympathy because he has wasted so much money on the shed he’s having to have his Not-A-Contractor un-build, but seriously - when you blunder ahead on an expensive project without knowing what the fuck you’re doing, this is what happens.

EDIT: as I think about it, this is less Off Topic than I had at first thought.

359 thedopefishlives  Jun 15, 2014 10:15:08am

Afternoon Lizardim from the cloudy, stormy wild north country. Happy Father’s Day to all the papa lizards out there; my kids may drive me crazy all day every day, but I love ‘em and I wouldn’t trade ‘em for the world. Silence, perhaps, but not the world. How go things among the lizardfolk?

360 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 10:15:16am

re: #358 GeneJockey

You didn’t notice/ mention to him as the shed was starting to be put togetehr it weas on your property?

reason i ask, same thing happened tom me. But I noticed where the “brother in law” (same as your Not-A-Contractor/ Guy Who Does Construction) started laying out the cinder block/ foundation was a TAD close to my property

And when I say a TAD close ,, I mean ON IT

361 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 10:17:40am

re: #359 thedopefishlives

My one and only visited lasy night

Twofold reason. Fathers day visit (albeit a day early) and swap cars with me. He and a couple of buddies are heading out today for a cross country adventure. “his” vehicle is an SUV. He took my better gas mileage sedan

362 RadicalModerate  Jun 15, 2014 10:17:46am

re: #351 Justanotherhuman

I think I need a vacation. If only I could afford one. Or stop reading the news entirely and become totally out of it.

Catholic University says 1 of its basketball coaches was killed in an accident in Kentucky while riding her bicycle across the country to support cancer research - @AP
Read more on seattlepi.com

You can’t tell me that bastard driving the truck didn’t see those folks.

And no, it wasn’t a “crash”—it was very close to murder.

You probably don’t want to read the local account then.

Neither speed nor alcohol appeared to be factors in the crash, he said.

Sgt. Ben Jones of the Scott County sheriff’s office said the case is under investigation, but he said he does not expect charges to be filed.

kentucky.com

363 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 10:20:03am
364 Patricia Kayden  Jun 15, 2014 10:20:07am

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

And thus to Jim Wright I retort: Letting scum who do this control Iraq is intolerable. Preventing it is worth whatever some airstrikes weapons supply, and trainers will cost.

Are you planning to enlist and go to Iraq? The American people are not up for another round of fighting in the Middle East. We’re just not. And thankfully, neither is this President who was against the Iraq war from its beginning.

365 thedopefishlives  Jun 15, 2014 10:20:25am

re: #361 sattv4u2

My one and only visited lasy night

Twofold reason. Fathers day visit (albeit a day early) and swap cars with me. He and a couple of buddies are heading out today for a cross country adventure. “his” vehicle is an SUV. He took my better gas mileage sedan

I’m going to call the patriarch of the fish household later this afternoon. They’re probably having their post-lunch siesta right about now.

366 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 10:22:59am

re: #365 thedopefishlives

I’m going to call the patriarch of the fish household later this afternoon. They’re probably having their post-lunch siesta right about now.

Same here

My younger sister was going to take dad out for Sunday brunch (which i’m sure dad will be grumbling about the entire time)

I’ll wait another hour or so to give him a call. Hopefully he’ll be over the crowds, the noise, and the expense (even though he’s not paying) by then

367 GeneJockey  Jun 15, 2014 10:23:36am

re: #360 sattv4u2

I noticed it within a couple days. The geometry of the fenceline and the property line makes it harder to tell. The common, solid fence between our properties ends at his back fence, then we built a deer fence following the contour of the land that angles away from the property line by about 10-15 degrees. So the back corner of the shed is on our property.

He didn’t realize this, and I had forgotten it till I looked more closely at the fences and noticed (and remembered). BUT, if he’d looked at the map of the plot, he’d have noticed that the property line is STRAIGHT, not angled.

We hired a surveyor, and sure enough, he’d started building it on our property. It was also 30x10, or almost 3 times the size of shed you can build without a permit, so he’s having to unbuild it for that reason, too.

368 jaunte  Jun 15, 2014 10:25:48am

Catching up with the story and watching CSPAN (from June 11) on the U.S.-Taliban Prisoner Exchange. The prosecutorial posing from the R’s speaking is just as grotesque as I imagined.
c-span.org

“You don’t trust Congress, Mr. Secretary!”

369 GeneJockey  Jun 15, 2014 10:27:04am

He also built it on a part of his property (and ours) that floods to a depth of 2 or so feet during the hard rainfalls you get during a big El Nino - which we’re predicted to have this year. (Our properties back onto a creek which drains about 1 1/2 miles of canyon)

When i told him about that, his response was, “But it hardly rained this year!”

Mind you, his response to “Is your guy a licensed contractor?” was “I’m sure of it! He has an orange vest!”

370 thedopefishlives  Jun 15, 2014 10:27:27am

re: #368 jaunte

Catching up with the story and watching CSPAN (from June 11) on the U.S.-Taliban Prisoner Exchange. The prosecutorial posing from the R’s speaking is just as grotesque as I imagined.
c-span.org

“You don’t trust Congress, Mr. Secretary!”

“No, I don’t, and for some pretty damn good reasons.”

371 jaunte  Jun 15, 2014 10:28:10am

re: #370 thedopefishlives

“No, I don’t, and for some pretty damn good reasons.”

“We’ll get into details in the classified section, Congressman Sieve.”

372 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 10:28:15am

re: #369 GeneJockey

He also built it on a part of his property (and ours) that floods to a depth of 2 or so feet during the hard rainfalls you get during a big El Nino - which we’re predicted to have this year. (Our properties back onto a creek which drains about 1 1/2 miles of canyon)

heh

almost would have been fun to let him build it, pray for rain, then watch his new houseshedboat sail away!!

373 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 10:28:29am

re: #357 freetoken

More symmetric - ergo more aesthetic.

374 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 15, 2014 10:28:52am

re: #367 GeneJockey

I noticed it within a couple days. The geometry of the fenceline and the property line makes it harder to tell. The common, solid fence between our properties ends at his back fence, then we built a deer fence following the contour of the land that angles away from the property line by about 10-15 degrees. So the back corner of the shed is on our property.

He didn’t realize this, and I had forgotten it till I looked more closely at the fences and noticed (and remembered). BUT, if he’d looked at the map of the plot, he’d have noticed that the property line is STRAIGHT, not angled.

We hired a surveyor, and sure enough, he’d started building it on our property. It was also 30x10, or almost 3 times the size of shed you can build without a permit, so he’s having to unbuild it for that reason, too.

Hey, being stupid SHOULD be painful.

RBS

375 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 10:31:48am
376 Dr. Matt  Jun 15, 2014 10:32:04am

Me likey the new button thingy —> re: #374 RealityBasedSteve

Hey, being stupid SHOULD be painful.

RBS

377 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 10:33:32am
378 Dr. Matt  Jun 15, 2014 10:35:11am

I’m stuck in the office playing catch-up today….what’s with all the Mitt Romney talk? Is the librul media really asking Mittens HIS opinion on Iraq?

379 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 10:35:16am

re: #377 Gus

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All have the last name “Romney”//

380 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 10:36:11am

re: #379 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

All have the last name “Romney”//

381 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 10:37:33am

re: #380 Gus

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Romney has binders is full of…

382 blueraven  Jun 15, 2014 10:40:20am

re: #379 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

All have the last name “Romney”//

Romney son goes off to war” said no one, ever.

383 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 10:40:59am

re: #375 Gus

Iranian press reports the death of Ali-Reza Moshajari, first IRGC volunteer killed in clashes with ISIS in Iraq.

I thought the Iranians were stating that there weren’t ANY Iranian soldiers in Iraq

384 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 10:42:28am
385 Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2014 10:42:55am

re: #383 sattv4u2


Iranian press reports the death of Ali-Reza Moshajari, first IRGC volunteer killed in clashes with ISIS in Iraq.

I thought the Iranians were stating that there weren’t ANY Iranian soldiers in Iraq

SURPRISE!!

Yeah, it’s floating around there’s that about 2,000 Iranian soldiers currently operating in Iraq.

386 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 10:42:56am

re: #383 sattv4u2


Iranian press reports the death of Ali-Reza Moshajari, first IRGC volunteer killed in clashes with ISIS in Iraq.

I thought the Iranians were stating that there weren’t ANY Iranian soldiers in Iraq

Word has it that they have about 2,000 there.

387 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 10:44:39am

Source.

389 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 10:45:17am

GOLF

390 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 10:45:50am

B
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GOLF
H
A
Z
I

391 jaunte  Jun 15, 2014 10:47:27am

re: #389 Gus

Oh, I see the Outrage siren went off a couple of hours ago.

392 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 10:48:24am

re: #385 Dr Lizardo

re: #386 Gus

Yes, I know that

I was talking about ,,,
Iran denies troops on ground in Iraq

america.aljazeera.com

Rouhani added that Tehran was unlikely to send forces to Iraq but stood ready to provide help within the framework of international law. Baghdad has not as yet requested such assistance, he added.

393 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 10:48:57am

re: #391 jaunte

Oh, I see the Outrage siren went off a couple of hours ago.

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394 Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2014 10:49:23am

re: #390 Gus

BEES
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GOLF
H
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Z
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395 Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2014 10:50:32am

re: #392 sattv4u2

Yes, I know that

I was talking about ,,,
Iran denies troops on ground in Iraq

america.aljazeera.com

Rouhani added that Tehran was unlikely to send forces to Iraq but stood ready to provide help within the framework of international law. Baghdad has not as yet requested such assistance, he added.

Tehran will likely continue to deny it until/unless Baghdad makes a formal request.

396 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 10:51:32am
397 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 10:52:06am

re: #375 Gus

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I guess the Iranian denials of troops in the country aren’t panning out.

398 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 10:52:47am

re: #395 Dr Lizardo

Tehran will likely continue to deny it until/unless Baghdad makes a formal request.

Well. Seems kind of silly that the Iranian press is reporting an Iranian soldier has died in Iraq while the Iranian gov’t is stating there aren’t any there

399 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 10:53:04am

re: #392 sattv4u2

Yes, I know that

I was talking about ,,,
Iran denies troops on ground in Iraq

america.aljazeera.com

Rouhani added that Tehran was unlikely to send forces to Iraq but stood ready to provide help within the framework of international law. Baghdad has not as yet requested such assistance, he added.

Maybe he was a tourist on holiday.
/

400 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 10:53:50am

re: #384 Gus

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Perch?

401 jaunte  Jun 15, 2014 10:53:53am

We hate his politics!!!
He makes bad decisions, that are bad for the country!!!!
…..
Therefore, he should always stay at the White House, making decisions.

402 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 10:54:33am

re: #397 Killgore Trout

I guess the Iranian denials of troops in the country aren’t panning out.

Guess there wasn’t a possibility that one of them died in battle!!!

403 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 10:54:34am

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Maybe.

404 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 10:55:06am

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Perch?

Yes. They were both perched on the deck of the boat!

405 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 10:55:23am

Do not click on this if you’re squeamish.

406 GeneJockey  Jun 15, 2014 10:55:59am

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Perch?

Striped bass, I think.

407 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 10:56:37am

re: #404 sattv4u2

Yes. They were both perched on the deck of the boat!

Pump up the bass, Qussay!

408 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 10:58:13am

re: #406 GeneJockey

Striped bass, I think.

looks more stripped to me!

409 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 10:59:43am
410 GeneJockey  Jun 15, 2014 11:00:47am

re: #362 RadicalModerate

You probably don’t want to read the local account then.

kentucky.com

Let me guess - the pickup driver “didn’t see them”, and the sheriff said, “These things happen.” Just a cyclist. No big deal.

I’m REAL tired of that shit, but that’s what you can expect most places.

411 blueraven  Jun 15, 2014 11:00:54am

re: #394 Dr Lizardo

BEES
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GOLF
H
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IMPEACH!!

412 danarchy  Jun 15, 2014 11:02:26am

re: #388 Dr. Matt

L.A. Kings Fans Celebrate Stanley Cup Win by Taking Down a Drone

What is the delineation between RC toy and drone? If I buy one of those quadrocopters from Brookstone is that a drone? How about one of those little RC helicopters? Didn’t a drone used to have to be autonomous?

413 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 11:02:52am

re: #411 blueraven

BEES
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N
GOLF
H
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IMPEACH!!

INPEACH!

414 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 11:04:03am
415 GeneJockey  Jun 15, 2014 11:04:07am

re: #408 sattv4u2

looks more stripped to me!

No, THIS is a stripped bass.

416 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 11:04:53am

re: #415 GeneJockey

No, THIS is a stripped bass.

[Embedded image]

You know what else has stripes?

BEES

417 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 11:05:41am

re: #416 Gus

You know what else has stripes?

BEES

WHERE?!

418 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 11:06:25am

re: #417 Charles Johnson

WHERE?!

BONNET

419 GeneJockey  Jun 15, 2014 11:07:58am

This is also a striped bass.

420 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 11:12:56am
421 Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2014 11:13:51am

re: #419 GeneJockey

This is also a striped bass.

[Embedded image]

Striped base.
Image: 0172.jpg

422 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 11:14:48am

Bush
Bees
Barack
Bergdahl
Benghazi
Bass
Bigamy
Bayonets
Battleships
Bundy

423 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 11:15:07am

Babby

424 jaunte  Jun 15, 2014 11:19:36am
425 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 15, 2014 11:20:29am

re: #412 danarchy

What is the delineation between RC toy and drone? If I buy one of those quadrocopters from Brookstone is that a drone? How about one of those little RC helicopters? Didn’t a drone used to have to be autonomous?

Nice observation. Been thinking about this. Say r/c helicopter toy and it’s meh, camera and all. Float a second hand Gopro on a quad and say “drone”, Click winnah!

Related Page.

What’s next? Just wait until some young guy makes a small scale Gorgon Stare out of a dozen cams from old laptops & an RC Quadcopter and live streams it over a protest or riot. In 3D. Then one day soon In 4K. How fast might that become the latest indy video contractor selling footage to the highest bidder among those news services that fired the photogs? Hmmm. Opportunity rising.

Is this tiny & shiny new camera platform a big advantage for the LAPD or just a circumstance that levels the playing field like journo cameras and cell phones?

426 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 15, 2014 11:24:39am

re: #425 Rightwingconspirator

Nice observation. Been thinking about this. Say r/c helicopter toy and it’s meh, camera and all. Float a second hand Gopro on a quad and say “drone”, Click winnah!

Related Page.

What’s next? Just wait until some young guy makes a small scale Gorgon Stare out of a dozen cams from old laptops & an RC Quadcopter and live streams it over a protest or riot. In 3D. Then one day soon In 4K. How fast might that become the latest indy video contractor selling footage to the highest bidder among those news services that fired the photogs? Hmmm. Opportunity rising.

Is this tiny & shiny new camera platform a big advantage for the LAPD or just a circumstance that levels the playing field like journo cameras and cell phones?

I have had similar questions re: drone/RC and the difference between them. I imagine part of the difference is in the distance between the drone/RC and the operator, i.e., range.

427 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 15, 2014 11:35:56am

re: #426 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Well the “low risk” category the FAA seems to be looking at is line of sight control required at all times. And a weight limit. And an altitude limit. That’s not terribly inhibiting when one considers how expensive piloted helicopters and camera cranes and jibs are. I’m watching really close for my micro biz.

428 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2014 11:51:15am

re: #410 GeneJockey

Let me guess - the pickup driver “didn’t see them”, and the sheriff said, “These things happen.” Just a cyclist. No big deal.

I’m REAL tired of that shit, but that’s what you can expect most places.

Actually, you all need to see this news report. It has a photo of where the accident happened. Typical Kentucky road with NO shoulders, in a curve buttressed by rock walls close on each side, and posted speed limit is most probably 55 mph.

Cross Country Bicyclist Hit And Killed In Scott County

429 palomino  Jun 15, 2014 11:54:53am

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Drop the absurd ideas and then provide a real alternative. The price of oil is going up already and prolonged major civil conflict in Iraq will make it much worse. There’s also the fact that it will allow the problems Western nations are already having with residents and citizens going off to fight for the jihadis to continue.

How many years of dead end fighting does the US have to engage in before you admit we can’t control the world? A third war in Iraq in 25 years…great idea! What could go wrong? We’ll be liberators, right? And the whole thing will pay for itself.

You can’t always have what you want. This is something most children learn at some point. If only our politicians and hawks could learn the same simple lesson.

But at least you admit that it’s ultimately about oil. That’s a step in the right direction. Next maybe you’ll realize that 4% of the world’s population can’t control the other 96%, especially when they’re on the other side of the planet.

430 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 15, 2014 12:08:49pm

re: #410 GeneJockey

Let me guess - the pickup driver “didn’t see them”, and the sheriff said, “These things happen.” Just a cyclist. No big deal.

I’m REAL tired of that shit, but that’s what you can expect most places.

I did a week long solo bicycling tour of central KY a couple of years ago. KY has a reputation (not undeserved) of very aggressive drivers toward cyclists.

RBS

431 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 15, 2014 12:13:26pm

re: #352 FemNaziBitch

Wild Wild Midwest: A rash of ‘justified homicides’ in Detroit

The Chief of Police is telling people HURR HURR GET GUNZ!!!! DEFEND YOUR SELFS!!!!! because THERE IS NO MONEYS TO PAY POLICE!!!!!

432 CuriousLurker  Jun 15, 2014 12:47:05pm

re: #349 sattv4u2

More like mocking the animals that do this

You mock the perpetrators of mutilation by by making jokes about their victims’ missing fingers? That’s bullshit.

I guess we should be glad you weren’t mocking murderers or rapists or pedophiles, huh? Lord only know what you would’ve said to mock them.

433 EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2014 2:08:50pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

And thus to Jim Wright I retort: Letting scum who do this control Iraq is intolerable. Preventing it is worth whatever some airstrikes weapons supply, and trainers will cost.

This reasoning is so bad it isn’t even wrong.

The fact that the scum of the earth will do awful things is completely irrelevant to the question of US military intervention.

US military adventures need to start with the question “Is it reasonable to expect things to be better after the intervention than before the intervention”.

Unless there is a clear positive answer to that question, all other considerations are irrelevant.


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