Acoustic Maestro Andy McKee Plays “Myth Maker” and Talks About Music

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Here’s a fantastic acoustic guitar video featuring Andy McKee that’s a bit different from our usual fare, because while it’s a great live performance of Andy’s tune “Myth Maker,” it’s also a mini-interview about all sorts of music-related issues. I think it’ll be interesting even if you don’t play an instrument, but even more if you do.

A true virtuoso, Andy McKee stopped by the Ernie Ball showroom in Los Angeles to give us a little lesson on his style of playing, test out the new Aluminum Bronze acoustic strings, and to perform his track “Myth Maker.”

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243 comments
1 nines09  Jun 15, 2014 4:18:36pm

Should be titled; Andy shows you his hands and picks up a guitar and crushes your fingers.

2 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 4:21:13pm

He has a very unusual right hand style - not the standard finger-picking position.

3 nines09  Jun 15, 2014 4:23:50pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

He’s amazing. Period. Fluid and effortless. It must almost be a religious experience when he finds another guitar that “talks” to him. Has that percussive style also that makes it more than just a guitar. His style is his.

4 CuriousLurker  Jun 15, 2014 4:32:07pm

Welp, I think I’m gonna go make myself some Tah Chin, not as fancy as the one pictured though, since I don’t have any zereshk (barberries).

Anyway, I wanted to leave this for you guys for whenever you all get here from downstairs. The look of love in the leopard cub’s eyes just slays me. ;-)

Later, lizards.

5 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 4:40:40pm

I hate to interrupt and wouldn’t ordinarily post this, but it states “multiple” reports about it.

Editor’s note: Seeing multiple - but unconfirmed - reports of clashes near the Baghdad Airport. - Tom
End of note

6 Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2014 4:41:19pm

Reading the Mother Jones story posted by Charles downstairs.

1/26/98 Project for a New American Century (PNAC)—founded by Cheney, Scooter Libby, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, Paul Wolfowitz, and other top neocons—demands President Clinton undertake the “removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime.”

1998. Jeb.

7 Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2014 4:43:59pm

Oh reading this makes me want to puke.

8 Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2014 4:44:25pm

Join me.

motherjones.com

9 Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2014 4:45:28pm

Fuck it.

10 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 4:45:36pm

In defense of Stoicism: Why Europeans should reread the Stoics to save themselves from resignation

The popular use of the word “Stoicism” implies resignation, endurance. But the truth is that the Stoics did not give up, they changed the world by learning to listen, and by making every act and every day a battle to be more free. They didn’t turn to politics and didn’t trust society or the state, even if many great rulers were shaped by their ideas, defended the dignity of slaves, and promoted the extension of education to the less affluent. They did not obsess with origins and essences, but embraced and defended the irreducible diversity of human nature, assuming a cosmopolitanism that extolled real, small communities, dedicated to generating knowledge; they put personal sovereignty and the serenity that characterizes it above any social convention or power structure. And they defended personal integrity and love of knowledge to the point of defending the right to secede and to leave the political community, and even life, if the environment made ​𠂺 virtuous life untenable.

They made up one of the threads with which the tangle of values ​𠂺nd stories that we call Europe was was woven. And those of us who live in Europe today should reread them, lest we fall into resignation or melancholy.

11 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 4:47:44pm
12 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 4:48:54pm
13 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 15, 2014 4:50:40pm

re: #4 CuriousLurker

Welp, I think I’m gonna go make myself some Tah Chin, not as fancy as the one pictured though, since I don’t have any zereshk (barberries).
Later, lizards.

Looks like you could use cranberries.

14 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 4:53:13pm

re: #4 CuriousLurker

Welp, I think I’m gonna go make myself some Tah Chin, not as fancy as the one pictured though, since I don’t have any zereshk (barberries).

Anyway, I wanted to leave this for you guys for whenever you all get here from downstairs. The look of love in the leopard cub’s eyes just slays me. ;-)

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Later, lizards.

Tah Chin…I’ll have to try making that. Love saffron - use it all the time. Once my wife taught me how easy it was to make saffron rice, I made it to the point where she asked me to stop for a couple of months.

15 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 4:55:34pm

I will deny you thrice before the cock crows…

Once again, GG courts the ISO; I think I may be right about him embracing Luxemburgism.

16 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 4:56:51pm

re: #15 Justanotherhuman

I will deny you thrice before the cock crows…

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Once again, GG courts the ISO; I think I may be right about him embracing Luxemburgism.

That’s only because nobody else would be caught dead with those idiots.

17 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 4:57:25pm

re: #13 Pie-onist Overlord

Looks like you could use cranberries.

Or pomegranate?

18 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 4:59:55pm

re: #15 Justanotherhuman

I will deny you thrice before the cock crows…

[Embedded content]

Once again, GG courts the ISO; I think I may be right about him embracing Luxemburgism.

Greenwald is whoever his audience is.

19 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 5:00:37pm

re: #16 darthstar

That’s only because nobody else would be caught dead with those idiots.

And what’s with “Haymarket” Books? Those were bomb-throwing anarchists…

20 PhillyPretzel  Jun 15, 2014 5:02:44pm

I am watching The Story of the Jews With Simon Schama.

21 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 5:03:33pm

From the World Cup to the NBA Finals. My FB feed is going to go nuts if the Spurs close it out tonight.

22 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 5:04:54pm

re: #20 PhillyPretzel

I am watching The Story of the Jews With Simon Schama.

I watched a show with Simon once

He talked all the way through it. Very annoying!!

//

23 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 5:05:02pm

re: #18 Gus

Greenwald is whoever his audience is.

Yeah, I’m not so sure he has a cohesive philosophy. He’s unique, I’ll give him that.

24 b.d.  Jun 15, 2014 5:05:05pm

San Antonio Spurs please shove that humble pie down their throats and make LeBron and company shut up for a few months.

25 Belafon  Jun 15, 2014 5:07:01pm

re: #21 Lidane

Being here in Dallas, choosing between the Spurs and the Heat was tough, but I finally decided I hate the Heat more.

An interesting philosophical question is why I felt I needed to choose at all, especially since, when it’s over, I won’t really care.

26 PhillyPretzel  Jun 15, 2014 5:07:03pm

re: #22 sattv4u2

All the episodes are being shown tonight. It will be on until 1am.

27 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 5:07:44pm

re: #24 b.d.

San Antonio Spurs please shove that humble pie down their throats and make LeBron and company shut up for a few months.

San Antonio plays like basketball T E A M S used to play

Pass up a good shot for a better shot
Pass up a better shot for a great shot

Not 4 guys standing around watching one guy try, then if that guy doesn’t have anything pass to another guy and let him try while 4 stand around

28 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 5:08:02pm

re: #26 PhillyPretzel

All the episodes are being shown tonight. It will be on until 1am.

Well then, You better have something there for Simon to eat!

29 b.d.  Jun 15, 2014 5:08:13pm
This event is part of the program for Socialism 2014 Conference.

when you click the link you get:

Page not found
The requested page could not be found.

haymarketbooks.org

Amateurs

30 PhillyPretzel  Jun 15, 2014 5:09:12pm

re: #28 sattv4u2

cute.

31 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 5:09:34pm

Jason Leopold’s snarky “request” denied by the NSA and GG’s snarky bullshit response.

32 b.d.  Jun 15, 2014 5:09:39pm

re: #25 Belafon

Being here in Dallas, choosing between the Spurs and the Heat was tough, but I finally decided I hate the Heat more.

An interesting philosophical question is why I felt I needed to choose at all, especially since, when it’s over, I won’t really care.

All that really matters is that Mark Cuban gets smoked once again and his team gets another year older.

33 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 5:10:35pm

re: #29 b.d.

when you click the link you get:

haymarketbooks.org

Amateurs

Yeah, I had to “work” to find them. Heh.

34 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 5:10:51pm

re: #25 Belafon

Being here in Dallas, choosing between the Spurs and the Heat was tough, but I finally decided I hate the Heat more.

I’m in Austin, so rooting for the Spurs was a given. They’re neighbors. Heh.

An interesting philosophical question is why I felt I needed to choose at all, especially since, when it’s over, I won’t really care.

I don’t care much about basketball, but LeBron could stand be brought down a few pegs. Go Spurs!

35 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 5:11:38pm

re: #21 Lidane

From the World Cup to the NBA Finals. My FB feed is going to go nuts if the Spurs close it out tonight.

Jesus…they’re still playing hockey? I thought that was over.

36 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 5:12:37pm

I wish Greenwald still thought it was too dangerous to come to the United States…now he’s going to come up and score as many appearances on MSNBC as the schedule will allow.

37 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 5:15:27pm

Wow, look at all the white peoples…

Youtube Video

38 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 5:16:51pm

re: #35 darthstar

Jesus…they’re still playing hockey? I thought that was over.

Tis Fini

39 darthstar  Jun 15, 2014 5:17:07pm
40 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 5:18:49pm

I don’t want to start any blasphemous rumors, but I think that God’s got a sick sense of humor:

41 Belafon  Jun 15, 2014 5:22:10pm

re: #40 Lidane

My dad is a carpenter…

42 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 5:24:49pm

re: #40 Lidane

If you’re not a GOP politician and you hear voices telling you you’re the Chosen One and must do certain things, they put you on anti-psychotic medication.

43 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 15, 2014 5:27:38pm

re: #4 CuriousLurker

Welp, I think I’m gonna go make myself some Tah Chin, not as fancy as the one pictured though, since I don’t have any zereshk (barberries).

Anyway, I wanted to leave this for you guys for whenever you all get here from downstairs. The look of love in the leopard cub’s eyes just slays me. ;-)

[Embedded content]

Later, lizards.

That recipe has been added to my “From LGF” bookmark folder. Thank you. :)

RBS

44 palomino  Jun 15, 2014 5:30:57pm

re: #27 sattv4u2

San Antonio plays like basketball T E A M S used to play

Pass up a good shot for a better shot
Pass up a better shot for a great shot

Not 4 guys standing around watching one guy try, then if that guy doesn’t have anything pass to another guy and let him try while 4 stand around

You’re right that the Spurs play better team ball. But everyone TRIES to do what SA does, even the Heat. It’s just that no one else is as good at it, no other team meshes as well or totally dedicates themselves to the system like the Spurs. It’s why they’re winning now even though the only star—in his prime—on the team is Tony Parker.

Last year Miami was actually the better team. Better record during the regular season, very good defensively, and an amazing 27 game win streak (2nd longest in NBA history). This year the Heat were pedestrian by comparison. Among other things, Wade is an old 32. And their defense is nothing like last season.

The Spurs, even though not young, are actually younger than the Heat overall, and are also better than last season. They’ve exposed the Heat this year in ways they couldn’t last season: as a poor rebounding team, a mediocre defensive team, lacking both a decent point guard and a rim protector. Basically the Heat at this point are LBJ, an over the hill Wade, an overrated Bosh, and a bunch of 35-38 year olds who don’t do much (Battier, Lewis, Allen, Andersen, Haslem). As good as LBJ is, he can’t win 5-on-1.

45 nines09  Jun 15, 2014 5:33:14pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

If you’re not a GOP politician and you hear voices telling you you’re the Chosen One and must do certain things, they put you on anti-psychotic medication.

I’m on Thorazine if I hear voices. A Republican is “Chosen.”

46 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 5:33:55pm

Confused here.

47 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 5:34:07pm

BTW, for those who may not know, this is a song lyric:

I don’t want to start any blasphemous rumors, but I think that God’s got a sick sense of humor

Youtube Video

48 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 5:34:18pm

Kenneth RothVerified account
@KenRoth

Executive Director, Human Rights Watch

New York * hrw.org

49 b.d.  Jun 15, 2014 5:35:03pm

Socialism 2014 schedule:

How can the U.S. empire be defeated? - Khury Petersen-Smith

The legacy of Hugo Chávez and the struggle for Venezuela’s future - Tom Lewis and Eva Maria

The state and capital: A Marxist analysis - Ashley Smith

Why we are Trotskyists - Joe Allen

A love story: The U.S. and Israeli apartheid - Jason Farbman and Eric Ruder

Another look at Che Guevara: A progress report - Samuel Farbe

Will socialism be boring? - Danny Katch

In defense of Lenin - Todd Chretien

Revolution without a revolution: A Marxist critique of anarchism and prefigurative politics - Brian Bean and Brian Kelly

The Marxist theory of imperialism - Jessica Hansen-Weaver

Marxism and indigenous feminism - Abbie Bakan

Marxism and oppression: The tribune of the oppressed - Emily Giles

Marxism and ecosocialism - Hadas Thier

Marxist influences in the Chicano/Chicana movement - Justin Akers-Chacon

Marx’s historical materialism - Brian Erway

Photography and Marxism - Grant Mandarino

Genes, society, and Marx - Bekah Ward

How the Russian Revolution was won—and lost - Julian Guerrero and Rigo Gogo

Who produces the wealth in society: Marx’s labor theory of value - Ryan Nanni and Glen Dunne

A World to Win: Marxism for the 21st Century - TBA

Marxism and the state - Randy Childs

Trotky’s [sic] Permanent Revolution - Lee Wengraf

Microbes and Marxism: Capitalism and public health - Elizabeth Wrigley-Field

Marx’s theory of the crisis: The basics - Sid Patel and Natalia Tylim

Lenin’s What Is to Be Done? - Geoff Bailey

Mariátegui and Marxism in Latin America - Lance Selfa

socialismconference.org

Just the tip of the iceberg for this “socialist” gathering.

So sorry I have to miss it.

0-o

50 Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2014 5:37:17pm

re: #26 PhillyPretzel

All the episodes are being shown tonight. It will be on until 1am.

What channel friend?

51 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 5:40:56pm

re: #49 b.d.

Talk about a laundry list of reasons why I’d end up drunk at the nearest bar instead of at any of the panel discussions. Wow.

52 palomino  Jun 15, 2014 5:41:35pm

re: #49 b.d.

Socialism 2014 schedule:

How can the U.S. empire be defeated? - Khury Petersen-Smith

The legacy of Hugo Chávez and the struggle for Venezuela’s future - Tom Lewis and Eva Maria

The state and capital: A Marxist analysis - Ashley Smith

Why we are Trotskyists - Joe Allen

A love story: The U.S. and Israeli apartheid - Jason Farbman and Eric Ruder

Another look at Che Guevara: A progress report - Samuel Farbe

Will socialism be boring? - Danny Katch

In defense of Lenin - Todd Chretien

Revolution without a revolution: A Marxist critique of anarchism and prefigurative politics - Brian Bean and Brian Kelly

The Marxist theory of imperialism - Jessica Hansen-Weaver

Marxism and indigenous feminism - Abbie Bakan

Marxism and oppression: The tribune of the oppressed - Emily Giles

Marxism and ecosocialism - Hadas Thier

Marxist influences in the Chicano/Chicana movement - Justin Akers-Chacon

Marx’s historical materialism - Brian Erway

Photography and Marxism - Grant Mandarino

Genes, society, and Marx - Bekah Ward

How the Russian Revolution was won—and lost - Julian Guerrero and Rigo Gogo

Who produces the wealth in society: Marx’s labor theory of value - Ryan Nanni and Glen Dunne

A World to Win: Marxism for the 21st Century - TBA

Marxism and the state - Randy Childs

Trotky’s [sic] Permanent Revolution - Lee Wengraf

Microbes and Marxism: Capitalism and public health - Elizabeth Wrigley-Field

Marx’s theory of the crisis: The basics - Sid Patel and Natalia Tylim

Lenin’s What Is to Be Done? - Geoff Bailey

Mariátegui and Marxism in Latin America - Lance Selfa

socialismconference.org

Just the tip of the iceberg for this “socialist” gathering.

So sorry I have to miss it.

0-o

Why isn’t Obama going to be in attendance?

Could it be because the Dems aren’t really a socialist party, and totally reject this form of leftism?

Even the one “democratic socialist” in Congress, Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vermonti-beki-beki-stan-stan) doesn’t really have much in common with these folks.

53 jaunte  Jun 15, 2014 5:42:28pm

re: #49 b.d.

Will socialism be boring? - Danny Katch

Do you really need a seminar to answer that?

54 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 5:45:02pm

re: #53 jaunte

Do you really need a seminar to answer that?

Socializzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzm. //

55 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 5:45:06pm

Hey, Charles - you got an RT from Bruce Bartlett again.

56 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 5:45:17pm

re: #49 b.d.

Their only saving grace is that they’re not Stalinists. But…

57 Belafon  Jun 15, 2014 5:45:51pm

re: #53 jaunte

I suspect the subject of this is along the lines of “will socialism be so successful that people will have nothing to complain about?” Because it’s just been that way in other countries.

58 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 5:46:14pm

re: #46 Gus

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Confused here.

It shouldn’t be surprising. Islamists in other countries like Somalia and Mali started to run into trouble because they were so harsh on the local population. A lot of these movements try to resist the urge to roll into town and immediately start the stonings and beheadings for religious offenses. Even in Iraq most (but not all) the violence has been directed at soldiers and not the population in general.

59 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2014 5:46:15pm

re: #52 palomino

Why isn’t Obama going to be in attendance?

Could it be because the Dems aren’t really a socialist party, and totally reject this form of leftism?

Even the one “democratic socialist” in Congress, Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vermonti-beki-beki-stan-stan) doesn’t really have much in common with these folks.

Sen. Sanders is the Chairman of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee. He’s pro-military, goes against everything this conference stands for.

60 b.d.  Jun 15, 2014 5:47:09pm

re: #53 jaunte

Do you really need a seminar to answer that?

IT WILL NOT BE BORING! WE’LL HAVE THE NIGHTLY GLENN GREENWALD VARIETY AND LECTURE HOUR ON THE TV WITH OCCASIONAL APPEARANCES BY THE EDDIE SNOWDEN ROBOT!!!! OMG I CAN’T WAIT, WHAT FUN!

61 Romantic Heretic  Jun 15, 2014 5:47:11pm

re: #39 darthstar

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Wait! What?

That’s got to be a parody account. Please let it be a parody account.

62 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 5:47:39pm

re: #61 Romantic Heretic

Wait! What?

That’s got to be a parody account. Please let it be a parody account.

Maybe it is.

63 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 5:48:50pm

re: #55 Lidane

Hey, Charles - you got an RT from Bruce Bartlett again.

Yes, this one seems to be getting a lot of RTs.

64 Romantic Heretic  Jun 15, 2014 5:49:43pm

re: #47 Lidane

BTW, for those who may not know, this is a song lyric:

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An old favourite.

65 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 5:49:54pm

re: #56 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Their only saving grace is that they’re not Stalinists. But…

Stalin isn’t so bad with banjo accompaniment.

//

66 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 5:50:01pm

WSJ via Al Guardian
US prepares for talks with Iran to stop Iraq militants - reports

The United States is preparing to open a direct dialogue with Iran about how to deal with the Sunni insurgency in Iraq, the Wall Street Journal reported on Sunday.

Citing senior US officials, the newspaper said the dialogue was expected to begin this week. It comes as the US and other world powers strive for an agreement with Tehran to curb its nuclear program.

Militants from the Isis group have swept through towns in the Tigris valley north of Baghdad in recent days but appeared to have halted their advance outside Baghdad as they tightened their grip on the north.

US officials said it was not certain which diplomatic channel the Obama administration would use to discuss Iraq, the Journal reported. One possibility was through Vienna, the paper said, where senior US and Iranian officials were scheduled to meet with other world powers on Monday to negotiate limits on Iran’s nuclear capabilities.

67 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2014 5:50:08pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

You on FavStar brah?

/

68 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 5:50:46pm

re: #65 Gus

Obama likes your idea of partnering with Iran.

69 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 15, 2014 5:51:34pm

re: #29 b.d.

when you click the link you get:

haymarketbooks.org

Amateurs

Glenn Greenwald Speaks in Chicago
Edward Snowden, the NSA, and the US Surveillance State

Thursday, June 26, 2014 - 7:00pm

Crowne Plaza Chicago O’Hare
5440 North River Road
Rosemont, IL 60018
See map: Google Maps
This event is part of the program for Socialism 2014 Conference. Full or partial paid registration for the Conference includes admission to the Glenn Greenwald event.

To attend ONLY the Greenwald speech and book signing, purchase a standalone ticket via Eventbrite.

In Chicago, Greenwald will be introduced by special guest Amy Goodman, host and executive producer of Democracy Now!

70 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 5:51:53pm

re: #65 Gus

Stalin isn’t so bad with banjo accompaniment.

//

What I mean is, Trotsky was a major asshole too. “OK, so we condemn Hitler, we’re Strasserites instead.”

71 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 5:52:18pm
72 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 5:53:03pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

Obama likes your idea of partnering with Iran.

Partnering with Iran isn’t so bad with banjo accompaniment.

//

73 Romantic Heretic  Jun 15, 2014 5:54:14pm

re: #52 palomino

The Marxist theory of imperialism - Jessica Hansen-Weaver

I suspect this will be the standard ‘Marxist critique’ of imperialism. It’s bad if the West does it. If ‘socialist nations’ do it, that isn’t imperialism. It’s freeing the proletariat and indigenous people from their oppressors.

Humans are not rational animals, but rationalizing ones.

74 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 5:54:16pm

re: #49 b.d.

Socialism 2014 schedule:

How can the U.S. empire be defeated? - Khury Petersen-Smith

The legacy of Hugo Chávez and the struggle for Venezuela’s future - Tom Lewis and Eva Maria

The state and capital: A Marxist analysis - Ashley Smith

Why we are Trotskyists - Joe Allen

A love story: The U.S. and Israeli apartheid - Jason Farbman and Eric Ruder

Another look at Che Guevara: A progress report - Samuel Farbe

Will socialism be boring? - Danny Katch

In defense of Lenin - Todd Chretien

Revolution without a revolution: A Marxist critique of anarchism and prefigurative politics - Brian Bean and Brian Kelly

The Marxist theory of imperialism - Jessica Hansen-Weaver

Marxism and indigenous feminism - Abbie Bakan

Marxism and oppression: The tribune of the oppressed - Emily Giles

Marxism and ecosocialism - Hadas Thier

Marxist influences in the Chicano/Chicana movement - Justin Akers-Chacon

Marx’s historical materialism - Brian Erway

Photography and Marxism - Grant Mandarino

Genes, society, and Marx - Bekah Ward

How the Russian Revolution was won—and lost - Julian Guerrero and Rigo Gogo

Who produces the wealth in society: Marx’s labor theory of value - Ryan Nanni and Glen Dunne

A World to Win: Marxism for the 21st Century - TBA

Marxism and the state - Randy Childs

Trotky’s [sic] Permanent Revolution - Lee Wengraf

Microbes and Marxism: Capitalism and public health - Elizabeth Wrigley-Field

Marx’s theory of the crisis: The basics - Sid Patel and Natalia Tylim

Lenin’s What Is to Be Done? - Geoff Bailey

Mariátegui and Marxism in Latin America - Lance Selfa

socialismconference.org

Just the tip of the iceberg for this “socialist” gathering.

So sorry I have to miss it.

0-o

That’s quite an “odious” lineup!

75 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 5:55:00pm
76 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 5:55:19pm

re: #74 Gus

Ahahahahahaha!

But this will make it better.

Youtube Video

77 b.d.  Jun 15, 2014 5:55:49pm

re: #74 Gus

That’s quite an “odious” lineup!

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Ouch!

But, but, but Glenn is principled!

78 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 5:58:12pm
79 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 5:58:55pm

re: #72 Gus

Partnering with Iran isn’t so bad with banjo accompaniment.

//

I have a really hard time imagining it ending well. I also wonder how this is going to fit with Obama’s plans for an inclusive Iraqi government, I don’t think that’s in Iran’s interest.

80 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 6:00:03pm

ODIOUS

81 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 6:01:47pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

I have a really hard time imagining it ending well. I also wonder how this is going to fit with Obama’s plans for an inclusive Iraqi government, I don’t think that’s in Iran’s interest.

I don’t know really. I don’t think any option is a good option.

82 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 6:01:52pm

re: #80 Gus

ODIOUS

He was Sherriff Taylors son in The Andy Griffith Show, no???

83 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 15, 2014 6:01:54pm
84 BongCrodny  Jun 15, 2014 6:02:00pm

Weird stuff from the depths of the intertubes:

As part of my research for my weekly trivia game, I’m always on the lookout for stuff that I think the tavern’s patrons will like — weird stuff is always good, and if it’s fun, so much the better.

A few years ago, I stumbled across a novel called “La Disparition,” a 300-page 1969 novel by a Frenchman named Georges Perec. Translated into English, the title became “A Void.”

What was amazing about the book was that in 300 pages, he never used the letter E. Not once.

While researching a trivia sheet for this week’s game — the subject is “The Alphabet” — I recalled (from the crevices and spiderwebs in my brain) that novel, and I thought I might have the opportunity to again use that factoid as a question.

So I went to Wikipedia to refresh my memory of the book, and found this listing under “Plot summary.”

A Void’s plot follows a group of humans looking for a missing companion, Anton Vowl. It is in part a parody of noir and horror fiction, with many stylistic tricks, gags, plot twists, and a grim conclusion. On many occasions it implicitly talks about its own lipogrammatic limitation, highlighting its unusual orthography. By and by, protagonists within A Void work out which symbol is missing, but find it a hazardous topic to discuss, as any who try to bypass this story’s constraint risk fatal injury. Philip Howard, writing a lipogrammatic appraisal of A Void in his column, said “This is a story chock-full of plots and sub-plots, of loops within loops, of trails in pursuit of trails, all of which allow its author an opportunity to display his customary virtuosity as an avant-gardist magician, acrobat and clown.”

Notice anything? :-)

85 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 6:03:04pm

re: #83 Pie-onist Overlord

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I used to love those

Peanut Butter and Marshmellow fluffle sammiches!!

86 BongCrodny  Jun 15, 2014 6:03:21pm

re: #82 sattv4u2

He was Sherriff Taylors son in The Andy Griffith Show, no???

No, that was Opious.

You’re confusing him with Garfield’s doggie buddy.

87 Belafon  Jun 15, 2014 6:03:36pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

I have a really hard time imagining it ending well. I also wonder how this is going to fit with Obama’s plans for an inclusive Iraqi government, I don’t think that’s in Iran’s interest.

All “Obama’s plans for an inclusive Iraqi government” consists of is determining if the US would provide some sort of direct support. if the government decides it doesn’t want to be inclusive, then they don’t get US support.

88 TedStriker  Jun 15, 2014 6:06:14pm

re: #82 sattv4u2

He was Sherriff Taylors son in The Andy Griffith Show, no???

I saw “odious” and, immediately, I was thinking of Odeon, as in ‘Sex Panther by Odeon’ from Anchorman.

Youtube Video

89 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 6:06:20pm

((((dammit,, now I want a pb and marshmellow fluff sammich)))(

90 jaunte  Jun 15, 2014 6:06:28pm

Odious at Large

91 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 6:06:48pm

re: #84 BongCrodny

They were lucky it was Philip Howard and not, say, Peter Everett.

92 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 6:06:54pm

re: #90 jaunte

Odious at Large

I knew something stunk about that

93 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 6:07:10pm

Just saw this one - they can’t be serious with this stupid shit.

This responds to your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request of 12 May 2014, which was received by this office on 13 May 2014, for “Disclosure of any and all records that were prepared, received, transmitted, collected and/or maintained by the National Security Agency (NSA) that refers to the following phrases: “Collect it All,” “Process it All,” “Exploit it all,” “Partner it All,” “Sniff it All,” and “Know it all.”

Proving once again, ladies and gentlemen, that yes, these people really are assholes.

94 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 6:07:48pm

Almost forgot.

95 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 15, 2014 6:08:21pm

re: #84 BongCrodny

Weird stuff from the depths of the intertubes:

As part of my research for my weekly trivia game, I’m always on the lookout for stuff that I think the tavern’s patrons will like — weird stuff is always good, and if it’s fun, so much the better.

A few years ago, I stumbled across a novel called “La Disparition,” a 300-page 1969 novel by a Frenchman named Georges Perec. Translated into English, the title became “A Void.”

What was amazing about the book was that in 300 pages, he never used the letter E. Not once.

While researching a trivia sheet for this week’s game — the subject is “The Alphabet” — I recalled (from the crevices and spiderwebs in my brain) that novel, and I thought I might have the opportunity to again use that factoid as a question.

So I went to Wikipedia to refresh my memory of the book, and found this listing under “Plot summary.”

Notice anything? :-)

No “e”s.

Where I work a batch of the trainers used to go play trivia at one of the local pubs. Our team was “4 jerks and a squirt”. (there were 5 of us, and one was short). We usually came in second to a team called “The Invincibles”, a group of professors from Vanderbilt University that had written some trivia books.

RBS

96 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 6:08:22pm
97 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 6:08:52pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Just saw this one - they can’t be serious with this stupid shit.

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Proving once again, ladies and gentlemen, that yes, these people really are assholes.

Haha, see #31. : )

98 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2014 6:09:10pm

re: #80 Gus

ODIOUS

The dearly departed Odious Urungus of Gwar.

Shit! Sorry. It’s Oderus Urungus, and he’s currently terrorizing another galaxy far far from here.

99 jaunte  Jun 15, 2014 6:10:01pm

Odiously italicized invective.

100 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 6:11:14pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Just saw this one - they can’t be serious with this stupid shit.

[Embedded content]

Proving once again, ladies and gentlemen, that yes, these people really are assholes.

Yes.

101 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 6:12:45pm

That’s one stupid FOIA request.

102 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 15, 2014 6:13:13pm

re: #49 b.d.

The pity is that potentially useful & educational material like

The state and capital: A Marxist analysis - Ashley Smith
Marxism and indigenous feminism - Abbie Bakan
Who produces the wealth in society: Marx’s labor theory of value - Ryan Nanni and Glen Dunne
Microbes and Marxism: Capitalism and public health - Elizabeth Wrigley-Field
Marx’s theory of the crisis: The basics - Sid Patel and Natalia Tylim

will be lost in the noise from the far more idiotic and useless bits I deleted.

I probably wouldn’t agree with the presenters at these either but they, at least, could have the potential for an interesting discussion about understanding the economic foundations of the present and what can be done to reform them.

103 Single-handed sailor  Jun 15, 2014 6:13:25pm

somewhat appropriate

104 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 15, 2014 6:16:15pm

re: #56 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Their only saving grace is that they’re not Stalinists. But…

The fellow who puts out the Socialist Gun zine I post about is an unapologetic and historically blind Stalinist. smh. Thanks, but Lenin fucked up that revolution badly and gave that paranoid psychopath the means to live out his dreams of horror.

105 b.d.  Jun 15, 2014 6:16:22pm

Shouldn’t a Marxism convention be free to all?

106 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 6:17:07pm

re: #105 b.d.

Shouldn’t a Marxism convention be free to all?

be free TO all of a free FOR all!!

((food fight at noon!!!))

107 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 6:17:35pm

re: #94 Gus

Almost forgot.

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Like all the calls for intervention in Iraq it’s bipartisan now until it goes bad, then the attempts to white wash history and blame the other party begins. In this case Obama’s in the White House, if it goes bad he’ll probably be stuck with the blame.

108 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 6:18:36pm

re: #104 William Barnett-Lewis

The fellow who puts out the Socialist Gun zine I post about is an unapologetic and historically blind Stalinist. smh.

No wonder he supports the Slaviansk terrorists.

109 b.d.  Jun 15, 2014 6:19:01pm

Halftime:

San Antonio - 47
Miami - 40

110 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 6:19:58pm

Whoa. Retweeted by @KimDotCom. How odd.

111 b.d.  Jun 15, 2014 6:21:51pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Some strange bedfellows you got there.

112 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 15, 2014 6:22:47pm

re: #102 William Barnett-Lewis

The pity is that potentially useful & educational material like

will be lost in the noise from the far more idiotic and useless bits I deleted.

I probably wouldn’t agree with the presenters at these either but they, at least, could have the potential for an interesting discussion about understanding the economic foundations of the present and what can be done to reform them.

Marx is an excellent writer, a massively good thinker. His critique of capitalism is extremely incisive, to the point, and accurate, spanning both the economic standpoint and the sociological. There are some failures of prediction—he didn’t account, basically, for technological change except that of automation—but overall, the critique is still unanswered: He showed that capitalism would increase wealth disparity to the point that workers had barely enough money to do more than ‘reproduce the class’—meaning that, for example, middle class workers may be able to send their kids to college, but not to gain a capital foothold.

He has largely been proved true in his critique of capitalism. Which is also not nearly as harsh as the average person thinks. Marx saw capitalism as a huge improvement over the past, where a lack of production kept most people in subsistence farming, or indentured farming if they were productive beyond sustenance. He has no problem with capitalism developing, and he feels that the capitalist is just as ‘alienated’ as the worker, that their life may be physically better but they lack satisfying connection with their work.

I disagree with him somewhat in this alienation, in that I think that alienation extends far beyond our relationship to our work and that socialist or communist societies, even economically ideal ones, would still potentially have lots of alienation. If, for example, we had economic socialism but still has crazy religious anti-gay shit going on, gay people would still be alienated by being treated as second-class citizens, etc.

Marx’s (and Engels’) idea of communism is far, far weaker than his critique of capitalism. This is partially because it’s a proposition for something new and untested, and partially because he thought the relationship to work was vastly more important than everything else and so that’s how they envision communism.

People usually fail to separate the critique from Communism; they’re entirely separable. And the former, the critique, is one of the best academic achievements in history.

113 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 6:24:47pm
Povl Heinrich Riis-Knudsen (born 1950) is a prominent Danish Neo-Nazi.

[…]

He also published National Socialism - A Left Wing Movement (1984), which argued that the revolutionary nature of Nazism set it apart from the reactionary ways of the right and so Nazism was in fact a left wing ideology.
[…]

He even went as far as to visit the Soviet Union in 1978, a move which led to controversy in the Danish press who knew Riis-Knudsen as a neo-Nazi.[7] He came to view Russia, rather than the USA, as the saviours of the Aryan race and made this break clear in A Left Wing Movement.

[…]
Riis-Knudsen caused further controversy in the late 1980s when he appeared on TV calling for Denmark to be purged of all immigrants, the death penalty for anyone caught transmitting AIDS, labour camps for his political opponents and sterilization of non-whites. The appearance caused outrage in Norway and Sweden and was banned from being screened in Denmark.[12] He has also declared his support for Palestine against Israel and a sympathy with Islamic fundamentalism, albeit balanced against a desire to see Islam expelled from Europe.[13]
Expelled from the DNSB in 1992 for “race mixing” in an engagement to a Palestinian Christian whom Rii-Knudsen argued was a “white Arab”,[14

114 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 6:26:52pm

Here KT. From Charles M. Blow.

115 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 6:26:57pm

What gets me about this tweet is that is links back to a Max Fisher piece also in the WP which presumptuously believes every word uttered by the Bolivian spox about the diversion of the Bolivian plane.

Given that Morales had indicated his support for Snowden, you would have had to be vacationing in hell not to think he might have given him a ride to Bolivia, and that the US would not have appealed to European allies to deny air space until his plane had been searched.

“Bolivia’s ambassador to the United Nations, who pledged to file a complaint accusing foreign governments of “kidnapping” Morales, issued a statement saying, “We will demand appropriate explanations from those countries that submitted to North American imperialism and briefly put President Morales in such a helpless situation.” Defense Minister Ruben Saavedra, also on the flight, told Bolivian media, “This proves with clarity an attitude of sabotage and plotting by the United States, pressuring European governments.” (my emphasis)

Has anyone heard further about the complaint to the UN?

116 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 6:28:24pm

re: #109 b.d.

Halftime:

San Antonio - 47
Miami - 40

yeah. Miami (well, LeBron) gave it their best the 1st eight (+) minutes,,, up 22-4
Between that and San Antonio coming out like it was already over,,

Since then,,,, the Spurs woke up. I don’t expect them to fall back asleep till way Way WAY after the celebration is over tonight

117 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 15, 2014 6:28:57pm

re: #114 Gus

There are some moral issues on which there can be no ambiguity. For instance, people cannot be treated differently because of the way they were born, developed or identify; women must have access to the full range of reproductive options; and something must be done about the continued carnage of gun violence in this country.

Well said.

118 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 6:31:28pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Whoa. Retweeted by @KimDotCom. How odd.

I haz just got RT’d by Todd Kincannon. That’s it. Game over man.

119 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 6:31:59pm

re: #114 Gus

Here KT. From Charles M. Blow.

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I was expecting to hate that. I’m not much of a fan but….

We must continuously audit our allegiances, not only to keep adversaries at bay, but also to keep allies loyal and true, and to understand that our friends and our rivals aren’t necessarily discrete and oppositional on every issue. Loyalties too freely given and too uncritically maintained become fertile ground for — and in fact, issue license for — the corruption of conscious and the betrayal of principle.

I can’t argue with that.
OMG! MBF!

120 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 6:33:36pm

re: #119 Killgore Trout

I was expecting to hate that. I’m not much of a fan but….

I can’t argue with that.
OMG! MBF!

Concern troll!

121 Stanley Sea  Jun 15, 2014 6:33:44pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Whoa. Retweeted by @KimDotCom. How odd.

truth resonates.

122 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 6:33:51pm

Favorited by Marc Andreessen now. Weird how off-hand comments can strike a chord with so many people.

123 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 6:34:34pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Favorited by Marc Andreessen now. Weird how off-hand comments can strike a chord with so many people.

He RT’d me the other day. The Iran-Contra Time magazine covers.

124 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2014 6:35:13pm

I hope to get #CoastsAreNotRealAmerica trending very soon!

125 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 6:35:27pm

re: #119 Killgore Trout

I was expecting to hate that. I’m not much of a fan but….

I can’t argue with that.
OMG! MBF!

Remain calm!

126 Bubblehead II  Jun 15, 2014 6:36:32pm

Night Lizards.

I came, I saw, I commented.

Sleep well.

May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.

Youtube Video

127 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 15, 2014 6:37:13pm

re: #112 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

People usually fail to separate the critique from Communism; they’re entirely separable. And the former, the critique, is one of the best academic achievements in history.

Good analysis of the analyst ;) People also tend to miss his appreciation of democracy in general and as a tool of reform. Mike Harrington was big on emphasizing that part of Marx which got lost in the idiotic revolutionary rhetoric.

128 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 6:37:31pm

re: #118 Gus

I haz just got RT’d by Todd Kincannon. That’s it. Game over man.

When somebody like Kincannon likes an anti-Greenwald tweet, it almost makes me want to switch sides.

But not.

129 Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2014 6:38:39pm

re: #83 Pie-onist Overlord

A group of bunnies is called a fluffle.

A group of bunnies is called a hasenpfeffer.

130 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2014 6:39:02pm

Person in the photo is a protester in Rio.
Check out the tee-shirt.

131 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 6:39:37pm

re: #125 Gus

Remain calm!

No problem, in a little while I’m gonna get really baked and watch Game of Thrones.

132 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 15, 2014 6:39:56pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Favorited by Marc Andreessen now. Weird how off-hand comments can strike a chord with so many people.

I must have missed the posting here. That’s one of the rare downsides to not doing twitter.

133 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2014 6:40:09pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s our generation’s Che Guevara!

*spit*

134 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 6:40:10pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

A group of bunnies is called a hasenpfeffer.

You sure it’s not a HughHefnerHouser!?!?

135 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 6:42:30pm

Wouldn’t it be awesome if Todd Kincannon was actually a really nice, kind-hearted guy with no hate toward anyone, just playing a part like a professional wrestler? Because he had a kindly old grandmother who needed a critical operation, and desperately needed the money?

Then he woke up. It had all been a dream.

136 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 6:42:38pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Favorited by Marc Andreessen now. Weird how off-hand comments can strike a chord with so many people.

Aren’t Messrs Dotcom and Andreessen both libertarians? Libertarians tend to be anti-war isolationists.

137 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 6:42:55pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

No problem, in a little while I’m gonna get really baked and watch Game of Thrones.

Oohh,,,, can I have some chicken

And a cake!!

138 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 15, 2014 6:43:11pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

Person in the photo is a protester in Rio.
Check out the tee-shirt.

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Is he welcome at Glenn’s crib?

139 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 6:43:49pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

Person in the photo is a protester in Rio.
Check out the tee-shirt.

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Isn’t that the guy who covered Occupy Wall St. extensively? Tim Forget-his-last name.

140 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2014 6:44:31pm

re: #139 Justanotherhuman

Isn’t that the guy who covered Occupy Wall St. extensively? Tim Forget-his-last name.

Yep, Tim Pool. It’s his tweet, not him in the photo.

141 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 6:44:32pm
142 Zamb  Jun 15, 2014 6:45:09pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

So judging by his shirt should I assume he left out the part where the off duty cop was actually firing at the gun range but this shows the potential of him shooting at innocents?

143 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 6:45:19pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

No problem, in a little while I’m gonna get really baked and watch Game of Thrones.

“Baked”? Are you 15 or something?

144 Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2014 6:45:29pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

Wouldn’t it be awesome if Todd Kincannon was actually a really nice, kind-hearted guy with no hate toward anyone, just playing a part like a professional wrestler? Because he had a kindly old grandmother who needed a critical operation, and desperately needed the money?

Then he woke up. It had all been a dream.

Kincannon is the canary in the GOP coalmine. When they squash him, they have started the long road back. We’re not likely to see it.

145 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 6:46:02pm

re: #141 Lidane

Two big goatburgers, yummy!

146 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 6:47:38pm

If an off duty cop in Brazil fires his weapon in your vicinity and you make it out alive, count your blessings.

//

147 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 6:47:52pm

re: #145 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Two big goatburgers, yummy!

I was thinking goat stew,,, but same thought process

148 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 15, 2014 6:47:59pm

Why is it that even after I have blocked and muted this idiot the Derp still sneaks into my Tweetdeck like an undocumented crawling across the border?

149 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2014 6:48:03pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Weird how off-hand comments can strike a chord with so many people.

One of the reasons I check LGF daily. It’s a bunch of off-hand comments that can and do get dissected to the bone. It’s all pretty much off-hand, until people start listening.

Case in point: Charles’s Why I Parted Ways With The Right blog post was just an off-hand comment, something Charles admits he wrote inside of 10 minutes. An off-hand comment which was nothing new to regular readers of LGF, but then it took off and next thing you know Charles is on the radio with Alan Colmes and being attacked by every wingnut blogger from all directions.

Same goes for RatherGate. Charles made a .gif - out of curiosity, an off-hand comment - comparing two documents and proving they were fraudulent.

The internet, can be pretty exciting!

150 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 6:49:44pm

re: #143 Justanotherhuman

“Baked”? Are you 15 or something?

He’d have a better name for it, but he’s been too baked to come up with one!

151 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 6:51:32pm

re: #149 teleskiguy

Before the animated GIF, I actually made a single-frame overlay and was blown away by how close they were. Here’s the post:

Bush Guard Documents: Forged

152 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 15, 2014 6:51:36pm

re: #119 Killgore Trout

I was expecting to hate that. I’m not much of a fan but….

I can’t argue with that.
OMG! MBF!

Did you read the bit I quoted?

There are some moral issues on which there can be no ambiguity. For instance, people cannot be treated differently because of the way they were born, developed or identify; women must have access to the full range of reproductive options; and something must be done about the continued carnage of gun violence in this country.

153 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 6:52:05pm

Kitteh needs caffeine:

154 sattv4u2  Jun 15, 2014 6:52:38pm

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

155 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 6:53:08pm

Youtube Video

156 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2014 6:55:21pm
157 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2014 6:55:25pm

The rack beckons. No, not that one. : )

Later, Lizards.

158 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 6:55:41pm

re: #143 Justanotherhuman

“Baked”? Are you 15 or something?

The irony is that I have a prescription due to the early stages of old age.

159 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2014 6:56:48pm

re: #151 Charles Johnson

Before the animated GIF, I actually made a single-frame overlay and was blown away by how close they were.

Making .gif files before they were even .gif files! Lizardoid is OG!

(for those unfamiliar, OG is an acronym for Original Gangsta)

Note: I wrote this comment before I clicked the link to see what Charles was talking about. .gif files have been around for a while, even before the 2004 election. OK, I regret the error.

160 palomino  Jun 15, 2014 6:56:56pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Like all the calls for intervention in Iraq it’s bipartisan now until it goes bad, then the attempts to white wash history and blame the other party begins. In this case Obama’s in the White House, if it goes bad he’ll probably be stuck with the blame.

That’s how it works. If you’re the prez, it comes with the job description.

Should we not blame LBJ for Vietnam? Conversely, should we not give credit to FDR for WWII?

161 Kragar  Jun 15, 2014 6:57:58pm
162 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 15, 2014 7:00:56pm

re: #147 sattv4u2

I was thinking goat stew,,, but same thought process

My stepmother was on a goat raising binge for awhile. One was hurt somehow so she kept it in the house wearing a diaper till it healed. She was … less than amused … when I named it “Seder”… O_O

163 Amory Blaine  Jun 15, 2014 7:02:50pm

Drinking a delicious local brew called Polish Moon

The Polish Moon is an endearing name given to the Allen Bradley clock tower as it shines it’s light over the south side (historically Polish immigrants) of Milwaukee.

Polish Moon

164 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 7:03:40pm

San Antonio is currently hosting a basketball clinic. They’re up by 21 in the 3rd. It’s crazy.

165 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2014 7:05:06pm

re: #164 Lidane

San Antonio is currently hosting a basketball clinic. They’re up by 21 in the 3rd. It’s crazy.

I can’t wait for the Lebron interview, where he blames everybody except himself.

166 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 7:05:25pm

Some lefties - not the stupidest ones, at that - still believe Rather’s documents are authentic, because reasons! Self-deception, how does it work?/

167 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 7:06:06pm

re: #159 teleskiguy

As soon as I superimposed these two images I knew beyond a doubt the 60 Minutes story was based on crudely faked documents.

168 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2014 7:06:23pm

re: #161 Kragar

This elicited a genuine gut laugh! Why’d it take you so long to get a Twitter account?!?

169 Belafon  Jun 15, 2014 7:07:26pm

Kelly Clarkson named her new daughter River Rose Blackstock.

170 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 7:07:32pm

re: #165 teleskiguy

I can’t wait for the Lebron interview, where he blames everybody except himself.

Haha, yeah. That’s going to be fun.

171 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 15, 2014 7:07:48pm

re: #166 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Some lefties - not the stupidest ones, at that - still believe Rather’s documents are authentic, because reasons! Self-deception, how does it work?/

The excuse I have heard is that somebody “saw” the original documents somewhere but couldn’t make copies so had to MEMORIZE the contents and then later type it up in MS Word FROM MEMORY.

172 b.d.  Jun 15, 2014 7:08:00pm

Coach Gregg Popovich of the San Antonio Spurs graduated from the US Air Force Academy with a bachelor’s degree in Soviet Studies.

en.wikipedia.org

173 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 7:08:39pm

re: #169 Belafon

Kelly Clarkson named her new daughter River Rose Blackstock.

174 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 7:08:50pm

re: #166 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Maybe because they don’t look at typefonts the same way people who’ve used them for a living for years do, or maybe because they just don’t want it to be true.

But that’s one of the few things in this life I’d be willing to say is 100% certain: those documents were faked.

175 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2014 7:10:23pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

As soon as I superimposed these two images I knew beyond a doubt the 60 Minutes story was based on crudely faked documents.

[Embedded image]

At the time, I wanted Bush to lose the election sooo baaad. But at the same time, I couldn’t ignore your work, and that media bigwigs were being duplicitous.

When I saw the posts I was filled with disbelief. “George Bush sucks, Dan Rather’s reporting is correct!” was my thinking. Then the truth came out…

It was riveting stuff, Charles. And I was a partisan! You had several subsequent posts on RatherGate and everyone that came out I was like “FUCK FUCK FUCK”

Keep up the good work!

176 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 15, 2014 7:11:21pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

I’ll admit I wanted them to be real but the evidence of them being fake was obvious. Thank you for that public service, Charles.

177 sagehen  Jun 15, 2014 7:13:37pm

re: #94 Gus

Almost forgot.

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Iran has their own reasons for trying to save the Maliki govt. “We” don’t need their help, they need our help.

If they go all in to save their puppet/client/whateveryoucallit, without *our* help… Iraq will end up hosting an Iran/Saudi proxy war, the price of oil will reach heights that make massive investment in solar and/or wind power high return…

This might be a good time for us to take a nap.

178 b.d.  Jun 15, 2014 7:14:14pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

That was way back in the days when 60 Minutes employees used to get in trouble for airing fake stories.

179 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 7:14:58pm

re: #175 teleskiguy

Truth is, this was not a partisan issue for me at all.

Facts is facts. Over and out.

180 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 7:15:53pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

Maybe because they don’t look at typefonts the same way people who’ve used them for a living for years do, or maybe because they just don’t want it to be true.

But that’s one of the few things in this life I’d be willing to say is 100% certain: those documents were faked.

It was someone who runs Mahablog, and s/he claims to have “typed and typed and typed on those typewriters in the early 1970s, and there was nothing on those memos that couldn’t have come out of one of the better 1970s-era electric typewriters — proportional type, precise centering, superscripts, etc.”. That was written in 2012 btw.

Of course, the best demonstration that it’s a fake is that nobody has produced an identical copy typed on a real such typewriter. Occam’s razor, how does it w… ouch!

181 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2014 7:17:03pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

As soon as I superimposed these two images I knew beyond a doubt the 60 Minutes story was based on crudely faked documents.

[Embedded image]

And like you said in the post, all you did was line them up with your mouse. Yeah, that kind of distortion of the facts cannot occur in a presidential election.

182 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 7:18:43pm

re: #180 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

There was also a really dumb post at Daily Kos about it.

It was a great test to show who was interested in the truth and who was a say-anything partisan, though.

183 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 7:18:44pm

re: #177 sagehen

Iran has their own reasons for trying to save the Maliki govt. “We” don’t need their help, they need our help.

If they go all in to save their puppet/client/whateveryoucallit, without *our* help… Iraq will end up hosting an Iran/Saudi proxy war, the price of oil will reach heights that make massive investment in solar and/or wind power high return…

This might be a good time for us to take a nap.

I’m generally opposed to more intervention in Iraq right now but I can’t seem to get past my initial reaction to the idea of a military alliance with Iran as a spectacularly bad idea. But the idea has been floating around and I don’t see much opposition much less outrage.

184 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 15, 2014 7:18:59pm

re: #180 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

It was someone who runs Mahablog, and s/he claims to have “typed and typed and typed on those typewriters in the early 1970s, and there was nothing on those memos that couldn’t have come out of one of the better 1970s-era electric typewriters — proportional type, precise centering, superscripts, etc.”. That was written in 2012 btw.

Of course, the best demonstration that it’s a fake is that nobody has produced an identical copy typed on a real such typewriter. Occam’s razor, how does it w… ouch!

If such “typewriters” existed in the ‘70’s, they were typesetting machines that cost in the 10’s of 1000’s of $$, not something that a government employee would have to play around on typing random “memos”

185 freetoken  Jun 15, 2014 7:20:06pm

re: #103 Single-handed sailor

It should say “Dump”, not “Dumb”.

186 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 15, 2014 7:21:40pm

My mom had an IBM selectric back in the day (she still has it!) and it came with two “type balls” one courier and one italic. You had to change the type ball to get italic. There was no kerning.

187 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 7:23:06pm

re: #184 Pie-onist Overlord

And the simple fact is that even if you could find one of these mythical type-setting typewriters, there’s no way at all it could ever produce a document that matches so closely.

For example, here’s what the overlay looked like when I tried to create the same document in Apple’s TextEdit app:

littlegreenfootballs.com

188 Kragar  Jun 15, 2014 7:25:29pm

re: #168 teleskiguy

This elicited a genuine gut laugh! Why’d it take you so long to get a Twitter account?!?

Youtube Video

189 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 15, 2014 7:25:54pm

G.W. BUSH TOTALLY BLEW OFF HIS NATGUARD SERVICE CONFIRMED FACT SO WHO CARES IF CBS PUBLISHED SOME MEMOS THEY REPRODUCED FROM THEIR ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!

190 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 7:27:14pm

Spurs basketball clinic continues. They’re up by 19 in the 4th with eight minutes to go in the game.

191 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 15, 2014 7:27:18pm
There’s this guy, you see, who knitted his way to a solution to an infamous problem in Roman history. This might be a bit premature (since academic journals haven’t weighed in yet), but I am persuaded that the mystery of the ancient Roman dodecahedrons has been solved. And why I’m persuaded affords a handy example for teaching how Bayesian reasoning works in making good historical inferences.

A What?

I suppose I should begin by explaining what a “mysterious ancient Roman dodecahedron” is. It’s not just any dodecahedron from ancient Rome (I’ll show you an unrelated example shortly), but a very peculiarly consistent oddity that no one has been able to explain (mainly because no writing survives mentioning it). It’s a common object. Some hundred or so have been found, originating in the 2nd century A.D. and spanning a couple of centuries afterward. But only in France and northern and eastern Europe. It’s weird looking. And has peculiar features.

Read more at Knitting Fans, Behold Some Awesome Ancient Roman Tech!

192 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 15, 2014 7:27:23pm

NO, WINGNUTS, YOU CAN’T, BECAUSE CONSTITUTION & SHIT.

193 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2014 7:28:33pm

re: #192 Pie-onist Overlord

NO, WINGNUTS, YOU CAN’T, BECAUSE CONSTITUTION & SHIT.

[Embedded content]

Since when have you known a wingnut to actually let the Constitution get in the way of his ambitions?

194 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 7:29:39pm

re: #192 Pie-onist Overlord

NO, WINGNUTS, YOU CAN’T, BECAUSE CONSTITUTION & SHIT.

[Embedded content]

How do wingnuts even know what impeachment is? Their Constitution only has the Second Amendment.

195 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 15, 2014 7:30:37pm

re: #184 Pie-onist Overlord

If such “typewriters” existed in the ‘70’s, they were typesetting machines that cost in the 10’s of 1000’s of $$, not something that a government employee would have to play around on typing random “memos”

My college newspaper had a Compugraphics offset typesetting system in the 1970s. Probably cost several tens of thousands of dollars. Brenda, our wizard of a typesetter (120 wpm!), had to enter a specific keystroke sequence to kern, and only when our compositor told her it had to be done.

I doubt a government employee would take the time to prepare such a memo using a $30,000 system.

196 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2014 7:30:39pm

re: #188 Kragar

Another really big gut laugh, like a good physical laugh! I didn’t even watch the YouTube because I know what it is.

WE FEAR CHANGE

197 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 15, 2014 7:30:55pm

re: #194 Lidane

How do wingnuts even know what impeachment is? Their Constitution only has the Second Amendment.

HURR HURR IMPEEACH IS WHAT U DO WHEN THE MARXIST KENYAN STEALS TEH VOTES AWAY FROM TEH REAL WHITE PRESIDENT!!!!!!!

198 jaunte  Jun 15, 2014 7:31:32pm

re: #183 Killgore Trout

I’m generally opposed to more intervention in Iraq right now but I can’t seem to get past my initial reaction to the idea of a military alliance with Iran as a spectacularly bad idea. But the idea has been floating around and I don’t see much opposition much less outrage.

I’ve seen it at Newsmax. Is it being floated by anyone credible?

199 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 7:31:48pm

re: #195 wheat-dogghazi

My college newspaper had a Compugraphics offset typesetting system in the 1970s. Probably cost several tens of thousands of dollars. Brenda, our wizard of a typesetter (120 wpm!), had to enter a specific keystroke sequence to kern, and only when our compositor told her it had to be done.

I doubt a government employee would take the time to prepare such a memo using a $30,000 system.

And even if they did, there’s no way it would look identical. Simply not possible.

200 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 15, 2014 7:32:02pm

re: #116 sattv4u2

yeah. Miami (well, LeBron) gave it their best the 1st eight (+) minutes,,, up 22-4
Between that and San Antonio coming out like it was already over,,

Since then,,,, the Spurs woke up. I don’t expect them to fall back asleep till way Way WAY after the celebration is over tonight

As Dan Lebatard said:

“You don’t know your team is too old, until it’s too late.”

201 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2014 7:33:23pm

OK, it’s Father’s Day. So I went to my folks place today for breakfast, but what I really wanted to do was find that picture of me and my dad and a guitar.

It took about a half hour but I found it. And I put it in the immortal digital realm.

202 Kragar  Jun 15, 2014 7:33:32pm

re: #192 Pie-onist Overlord

NO, WINGNUTS, YOU CAN’T, BECAUSE CONSTITUTION & SHIT.

[Embedded content]

203 Single-handed sailor  Jun 15, 2014 7:33:45pm

re: #195 wheat-dogghazi

Diablo and Xerox daisy wheel printers had kerning in the 70s, only about $1000.

204 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 15, 2014 7:34:12pm

re: #199 Charles Johnson

And even if they did, there’s no way it would look identical. Simply not possible.

Yup. No question. Even today, the same doc printed on two different printers would not be identical.

205 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 7:37:06pm

re: #198 jaunte

I’ve seen it at Newsmax. Is it being floated by anyone credible?

WSJ says talks are in the works. Lindsey Graham endorsed the idea on some tv show this morning. It appears to be a thing.

206 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 15, 2014 7:37:28pm

re: #203 Single-handed sailor

Diablo and Xerox daisy wheel printers had kerning in the 70s, only about $1000.

Sure, but what government office would have one around for everyday use?

I think I might have had access to a daisy wheel printer at one time, probably at some work site. I never bothered with kerning, even though I knew what it was.

207 Kragar  Jun 15, 2014 7:38:51pm

re: #203 Single-handed sailor

Diablo and Xerox daisy wheel printers had kerning in the 70s, only about $1000.

Why would a National Guard office spend $1000 on a typewriter back in the 70s?

208 Single-handed sailor  Jun 15, 2014 7:40:01pm

re: #206 wheat-dogghazi

Sure, but what government office would have one around for everyday use?

I think I might have had access to a daisy wheel printer at one time, probably at some work site. I never bothered with kerning, even though I knew what it was.

Word processors handled the kerning for right/left justification.

209 jaunte  Jun 15, 2014 7:41:17pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

WSJ says talks are in the works. Lindsey Graham endorsed the idea on some tv show this morning. It appears to be a thing.

Seems like a new bad idea to stack on top of the other ones we’ve tried.
cbsnews.com

210 CuriousLurker  Jun 15, 2014 7:44:04pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

Since you were asking earlier if anyone remembered the kidnapped Nigerian girls, I thought I’d come back and drop this off for you as I’m sure your concern for them means you won’t mind spending an hour or so watching this video.

There might be a pop quiz sometime in the next week or two, so be sure to take notes, mkay? //

211 Killgore Trout  Jun 15, 2014 7:47:09pm

re: #209 jaunte

Seems like a new bad idea to stack on top of the other ones we’ve tried.
cbsnews.com

I can see how it might work out ok for Iraq, or at least the shia majority. Iran can lend the necessary firepower and brutality better than we can at this point. Iran would be a reliable ally for Iraq and could ensure stability for a very long time. But Iran has it’s own interest to expand power, further its nuclear program, spread its brand of Islam and support its own terrorism operations around the globe. We really shouldn’t put ourselves in the position to assist them in accomplishing their goals.

212 b.d.  Jun 15, 2014 7:48:10pm
“Not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven.” - LeBron James
213 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 15, 2014 7:49:48pm

re: #208 Single-handed sailor

OK, but we’re talking about the 1970s. Word processing equipment was not common then, least of all in run-of-the-mill government offices. Newspapers, magazines, etc., were still in the process of switching from letterpress to offset, and the word processing systems were centralized and very expensive. My college paper had only two terminals for copy entry. We used typewriters to produce our copy, and the editors gave the marked-up copy to Brenda or her assistant for typesetting.

When I started working in professional newspapers in 1978, we each had a dumb terminal on our desk to handle copy input, Smart terminal word processing didn’t become a thing until the 1980s.

214 Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2014 7:52:23pm

re: #210 CuriousLurker

Since you were asking earlier if anyone remembered the kidnapped Nigerian girls, I thought I’d come back and drop this off for you as I’m sure your concern for them means you won’t mind spending an hour or so watching this video.

There might be a pop quiz sometime in the next week or two, so be sure to take notes, mkay? //

[Embedded content]

Can I just test out on this? Read “The Masks of God” and “Hero with a Thousand Faces”.

215 Lidane  Jun 15, 2014 7:52:41pm

Miami has been put out of LeBron’s misery. Awesome.

Go Spurs Go! :D

216 jaunte  Jun 15, 2014 7:52:59pm
But he warned that the Americans would have to take steps to ensure that Iranian intervention didn’t result in them trying to create a sectarian government in Baghdad with a puppet Shia Muslim leader.

“We also need to put them on notice: Don’t use this crisis to create a satellite state of Iraq controlled by Iran,” Graham said.

Or else, something.

217 b.d.  Jun 15, 2014 7:54:41pm

re: #215 Lidane

Miami has been put out of LeBron’s misery. Awesome.

Go Spurs Go! :D

Two happiest cities in the US right now, San Antonio and Cleveland.

218 Single-handed sailor  Jun 15, 2014 7:56:35pm

re: #213 wheat-dogghazi

I sold word processing systems in the mid 70s. I also was a certified Diablo printer technician at the time.

219 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 7:59:28pm

re: #218 Single-handed sailor

I sold word processing systems in the mid 70s. I also was a certified Diablo printer technician at the time.

Not sure what your point is. Are you trying to say these documents could have been genuine?

220 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 15, 2014 7:59:43pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

I can see how it might work out ok for Iraq, or at least the shia majority. Iran can lend the necessary firepower and brutality better than we can at this point. Iran would be a reliable ally for Iraq and could ensure stability for a very long time.

Since, three weeks before this uprising and the breakdown of the Iraqi government you declared Iraq stable and sectarian divides not a big problem, why the hell do you still think that you have shit to say about Iraq?

Is this performance art? While pundits who advocated our original invasion of Iraq and were shown to be horribly wrong on every point blather on TV, you blather your opinions about Iraq here right after having made a spectacularly, couldn’t-be-more-untrue assessment of Iraq’s stability and ethnic/religious divides?

Not to mention that, after years and years of writing concernedly about Muslims, including outright paranoid “Muslims hate us and are trying to kill us” posts, you never bothered to learn what a Sufi is.

That’s really fucking ridiculous.

221 Single-handed sailor  Jun 15, 2014 8:01:10pm

re: #219 Charles Johnson

Not sure what your point is. Are you trying to say these documents could have been genuine?

No, I am not. Just setting record straight on kerning at the time.

222 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 8:13:12pm

re: #221 Single-handed sailor

It’s well established that there were high-end, very expensive typesetting machines that could kern type in the 70s, with a LOT of manual adjusting and tweaking. But these machines were not being used by Texas Air National Guard secretaries.

But even if they were, there’s much more than kerning to consider. These overlaid documents matched in their tab stops, line breaks, line spacing, superscript placement, and more. There’s absolutely no way you could produce a matching document with any device available in the 70s without an enormous amount of work, and even then probably not - and I duplicated it in minutes with Microsoft Word’s default settings.

223 freetoken  Jun 15, 2014 8:18:12pm

Tony Blair getting some backlash:

Boris Johnson says Tony Blair ‘has gone mad’ over Iraq

[…]

In his Daily Telegraph column, Mr Johnson said Mr Blair had “finally gone mad” and his “unhinged” attempt to rewrite history is undermining arguments for Western intervention in Iraq.

“In discussing the disaster of modern Iraq he made assertions that are so jaw-droppingly and breathtakingly at variance with reality that he surely needs professional psychiatric help,” the London Mayor added.

He said that by refusing to accept that the 2003 war was “a tragic mistake”, “Blair is now undermining the very cause he advocates: the possibility of serious and effective intervention.

[…]

224 Amory Blaine  Jun 15, 2014 8:19:32pm

I was pissed because real evidence was being brought to bear on the administrations Iraq claims and Dan Rathers fraud allowed the right to keep control of the messaging. I don’t want liars and frauds on “my” side. There’s plenty of real shit going on.

225 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 15, 2014 8:19:43pm

re: #221 Single-handed sailor

No, I am not. Just setting record straight on kerning at the time.

Well, you could have said as much earlier on. Besides, kerning was not the only issue involved here, as Charles notes in re: #222.

How much did those systems cost back then, and who was buying them?

226 Kragar  Jun 15, 2014 8:21:48pm
227 Single-handed sailor  Jun 15, 2014 8:23:43pm

re: #225 wheat-dogghazi

Well, you could have said as much earlier on. Besides, kerning was not the only issue involved here, as Charles notes in .

How much did those systems cost back then, and who was buying them?

A Northstar Horizon w/ video card instead of a terminal, Diablo printer with word processing software cost about $3500 in 1976. iirc

228 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 8:23:56pm

In the Mind of a Stalker | Psychology Today

The resentful stalker experiences feelings of injustice and desires revenge against their victim rather than a relationship. Their behavior reflects their perception that they have been humiliated and treated unfairly, viewing themselves as the victim. It is has been found that resentful stalkers often regard their fathers as highly controlling. Mark Chapman, the notorious John Lennon stalker and murderer is a classic case of a resentful stalker. He described himself as the world’s biggest rock fan and admired Lennon and all his work, until he read a biography of the musician. Angered that Lennon would “preach love and peace but yet have millions [of dollars],” Chapman shot and killed Lennon on December 8, 1980. In later testimonials, Chapman described how his father “never told me he loved me; and he never said he was sorry.” The focus on a distressing past and the compulsive reliving of this pain can contribute to a mood disorder. Also, in a fortunate few there is a paranoid disorder that responds at least partially, to antipsychotic medication.

229 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2014 8:28:10pm

In the Mind of a Stalker | Psychology Today

Mullen defined the rejected stalking type as an individual who has experienced the unwanted end of a close relationship, most likely with a romantic partner, but also with a parent, work associate, or acquaintance. When this stalker’s attempts to reconcile fail, they frequently seek revenge. The therapeutic focus is usually centered on the stalker ‘falling out of love.’ The individual is counseled on how to move on from an angry preoccupation with the past to the sadness of accepted loss.

230 Single-handed sailor  Jun 15, 2014 8:29:03pm

re: #227 Single-handed sailor

oh yeah, I lived in Livermore at the time so a lot of our customers were LLL employees.

231 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 15, 2014 8:32:49pm

re: #227 Single-handed sailor

A Northstar Horizon w/ video card instead of a terminal, Diablo printer with word processing software cost about $3500 in 1976. iirc

I checked Wikipedia to see what it looked like. Never saw one till now.

Anyway, the Bush memo was dated 1973, so your system was not even around then.

232 Gus  Jun 15, 2014 8:32:50pm
233 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 15, 2014 8:33:55pm

Evening lizards…Happy Fathers Day to all the dads out there! We went to my aunt and uncles house and spent the day with a bunch of my family members. I am so happy I moved here. I didn’t have this kind of family atmosphere in Virginia.

234 HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2014 8:36:48pm

re: #226 Kragar

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Paul Ryan teaches us about empathy?

235 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2014 8:41:45pm

re: #232 Gus

The public will always be on the opposite side of the Westboro Baptist Church. They are unevolved vermin and most humans can see that.

236 freetoken  Jun 15, 2014 8:43:02pm

Good lighting for seduction:

Orchid by DaveHudson999

237 ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2014 8:52:11pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

And the simple fact is that even if you could find one of these mythical type-setting typewriters, there’s no way at all it could ever produce a document that matches so closely.

For example, here’s what the overlay looked like when I tried to create the same document in Apple’s TextEdit app:

littlegreenfootballs.com

[Embedded image]

Did you ever try to duplicate the word doc with something like Aldus Pagemaker, Quark Express or CorelDraw, maybe even in Illustrator. It probably can be done as they are almost infinite in what you can do with type spacing, size control, etc.

But you hit it on the head because if I remember you mentioning you pretty much went with the default manner Word types out that document. And those simple settings were right on the money.

The default setting is what most office people go with because they weren’t trained in typography and do not know all the adjustments available. To do the same document in the other programs would pretty much be a letter by letter control of alignment, spacing, etc. And that can be done, but the time would be more than most people would mess with.

You know, as I type something else about the document. Did you have to double space after the punctuation/end of a sentence to get the look? Double spacing was taught on the classic letter-space typewriter, because you needed that extra space for readability. Some people still to this day do a double space bar after punctuation and you do not have to with typesetting/word processing. It is hard to teach people about that if they were classic typists. You can see it on a lot of blogs.

Same with hitting ‘enter’ at the end of a sentence. With typesetting/word processing, you just keep typing. There are many adjustment reasons for doing that, as ‘enter’ key hits are adjustable differently from letting the lines run.

Sorry for the length…I like type. The art school I went to treated type like the human body. You can’t be a designer without it knowing type and you can’t be a fine artist/illustrator without figure drawing.

238 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 15, 2014 8:52:46pm

re: #235 teleskiguy

The public will always be on the opposite side of the Westboro Baptist Church. They are unevolved vermin and most humans can see that.

I keep wondering where do they get their money from? They don’t seem to have a parish full of people filling up a passing plate on Sundays.

239 Kragar  Jun 15, 2014 8:54:46pm

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

I keep wondering where they get their money from? They don’t seem to have a parish full of people filling up a passing plate on Sundays.

Lawsuits. A bunch of the kids got Law degrees, then they sued people who got rough with them at their protests.

240 Kragar  Jun 15, 2014 8:56:05pm

WBC: “Your kids are burning in hell because you hate God!”

Angry dad punches one.

WBC sues the dad for assault.

241 ObserverArt  Jun 15, 2014 8:59:36pm

re: #221 Single-handed sailor

No, I am not. Just setting record straight on kerning at the time.

The word processors you sold, were they based on a computer/program with a small screen and a printer, or were they still paper loaded and printed as you typed? All that tech changed so fast, especially when everything went to cold (photographic) typesetting in the early 70s. From there to the Apple/Mac and Pagemaker it all went so fast.

242 Single-handed sailor  Jun 15, 2014 9:05:09pm

re: #241 ObserverArt

The word processors you sold, were they based on a computer/program with a small screen and a printer, or were they still paper loaded and printed as you typed? All that tech changed so fast, especially when everything went to cold (photographic) typesetting in the early 70s. From there to the Apple/Mac and Pagemaker it all went so fast.

Based on computer/program with a monitor/kbd and printer.

243 Decatur Deb  Jun 16, 2014 6:06:37am

re: #239 Kragar

Lawsuits. A bunch of the kids got Law degrees, then they sued people who got rough with them at their protests.

A couple of them also hold (held) administrative jobs in the county child-welfare system.


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