NYT: Benghazi Attack Leader Said It Was “Revenge” for US Anti-Islam Video

“An insult to Islam”
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The latest from the New York Times on the capture of Ahmed Abu Khattala notes that at the time of attack on the diplomatic mission in Benghazi, he told other Libyans he did it to take revenge for that anti-Islam video that sparked protests and riots across the Middle East.

What he did in the period just before the attack has remained unclear. But Mr. Abu Khattala told other Libyans in private conversations during the night of the attack that he was moved to attack the diplomatic mission to take revenge for an insult to Islam in an American-made online video.

An earlier demonstration venting anger over the video outside the American Embassy in Cairo had culminated in a breach of its walls, and it dominated Arab news coverage. Mr. Abu Khattala told both fellow Islamist fighters and others that the attack in Benghazi was retaliation for the same insulting video, according to people who heard him.

One of the linchpins of the confused Republican narrative on Benghazi is that the anti-Islam video had absolutely nothing to do with the attack, no how, no way, and Obama invented this story to cover up … something.

If interrogators confirm that the video played a part in motivating Khattala to order the attacks, it would factually destroy that linchpin argument.

Not that destroying linchpins has any effect in the right wing echo chamber; they’ll continue to make up conspiracy theories about Benghazi forever. It’s become a mass hallucination on the right, and they don’t want to come down.

But facts is facts. And the New York Times’ reporting on this subject has been consistent since shortly after the attack.

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343 comments
1 Dave In Austin  Jun 17, 2014 3:19:36pm

Ouch……

That’s going to leave a mark.

2 Kragar  Jun 17, 2014 3:22:08pm

Obviously, Obama made sure the people interviewed knew the talking points before hand.
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3 gwangung  Jun 17, 2014 3:22:23pm

re: #1 Dave In Austin

Ouch……

That’s going to leave a mark.

“Oy—-it’s only a flesh wound!”

4 bratwurst  Jun 17, 2014 3:22:47pm

LIBRUL MEDIA IS COVERING OBAMA’S ASS!!!11!!!

(Is there any doubt that this is going to be the reaction?)

5 KerFuFFler  Jun 17, 2014 3:23:05pm

Oh, but Obama’s interrogators are making him say that!//

6 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 17, 2014 3:25:11pm

He was obviously waterboarded which in turn lead him to lie. Wait for it. Suddenly they will believe torture is bad and ineffective.

7 Lidane  Jun 17, 2014 3:25:33pm

FALSE FLAG! HE’S AN ACTOR COVERING FOR OBUMMER! ELEVENTY!

8 Kragar  Jun 17, 2014 3:27:03pm
9 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 3:27:26pm

“What he did in the period just before the attack has remained unclear. But Mr. Abu Khattala told other Libyans in private conversations during the night of the attack that he was moved to attack the diplomatic mission to take revenge for an insult to Islam in an American-made online video.”

Obviously, the investigators told those people to say that. ////

10 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 17, 2014 3:27:50pm

Why didn’t he say this when interviewed by the media? He’s obviously a fellow Obama Muslim conspirator!!!!!

11 danarchy  Jun 17, 2014 3:28:33pm

Isn’t this reiterating what the NYT has said in past reporting? He hasn’t actually made a statement to the FBI or anything since being captured, has he?

12 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 17, 2014 3:29:34pm

re: #11 danarchy

Isn’t this reiterating what the NYT has said in past reporting? He hasn’t actually made a statement to the FBI or anything since being captured, has he?

Nobody said or implied otherwise. Quote: “If interrogators confirm …”

13 Lidane  Jun 17, 2014 3:32:28pm

Right on cue, the Freepers chime in:

Wonder how long before he gets repatriated by obama!

Looks like the White House is looking for some good PR.

Oh - I thought they had Clinton or Obama

Suspected ringleader? I didn’t know spontaneous demonstrations had ringleaders….

Oh ,just in time for the Nov Election

Obama has to find another deserter to trade first.

Good. 0’ now has more cards to play, and can trade him for more Gitmo prizoners to be released. Plus more cash.

Was he going to spill the beans on 0bama?

Here’s a guy we, the American people, will NEVER ever hear from.
His story won’t gibe with Obama’s, so he forever lives a redacted life.

NOW he acts????
Just a coinky-dink that it happens with everything else going on now, right?

Is this a distraction for Iraq, or is the Iraq collapse a distraction for this? Perhaps they are both a distraction for for the Mexican border collapse or the economic collapse. It’s so hard to tell with all these collapses happening.

14 Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2014 3:32:36pm
15 Killgore Trout  Jun 17, 2014 3:32:45pm
One of the young fighters with him instructed another not to keep a looted electronic device for fear that the Americans might trace it, according to a Libyan who was present for the conversation.

Interesting. Gives a bit of credibility to the reports that the attackers were using looted State Dept phones to makes calls.

16 Ryan King  Jun 17, 2014 3:35:06pm

re: #3 gwangung

“Oy—-it’s only a flesh wound!”

GOP Black Knightism.

17 Skip Intro  Jun 17, 2014 3:35:16pm

re: #13 Lidane

Just fuck the Freepers. People so stupid they think it really costs over $330,000 to run a 1990s chat site really should confine their discussions to customizing their Rascals and accessorizing their walkers.

18 Targetpractice  Jun 17, 2014 3:35:29pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Interesting. Gives a bit of credibility to the reports that the attackers were using looted State Dept phones to makes calls.

Oh, hello Killgore, finally find something you can spin?

19 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 17, 2014 3:35:40pm

re: #17 Skip Intro

Just fuck the Freepers. People so stupid they think it really costs over $330,000 to run a 1990s chat site really should confine their discussions to customizing their Rascals and accessorizing their walkers.

Nice little scam, eh!

20 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 3:36:27pm

Hillary Clinton says questions remain about Benghazi attack after ringleader captured - @NBCNews
Read more on nbcnews.com

21 Belafon  Jun 17, 2014 3:36:41pm

“Our ideas held no water/But we used them like a dam” Missed the Boat —Modest Mouse

22 Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2014 3:37:04pm

Headline at Gateway Pundit:

OUTRAGE! FAR LEFT RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORIST VOTED FOR OBAMA!

23 Skip Intro  Jun 17, 2014 3:37:27pm

re: #19 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Nice little scam, eh!

Brilliant. Plus they still get banned if they don’t agree with The Boss, even after they’ve paid his mortgage.

24 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 17, 2014 3:38:25pm

re: #19 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Nice little scam, eh!

Bossman needs a Olive Garden budget.

25 gwangung  Jun 17, 2014 3:38:35pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Interesting. Gives a bit of credibility to the reports that the attackers were using looted State Dept phones to makes calls.

Actually, no.

26 blueraven  Jun 17, 2014 3:38:52pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Interesting. Gives a bit of credibility to the reports that the attackers were using looted State Dept phones to makes calls.

lol

27 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 3:39:15pm

re: #17 Skip Intro

Just fuck the Freepers. People so stupid they think it really costs over $330,000 to run a 1990s chat site really should confine their discussions to customizing their Rascals and accessorizing their walkers.

Worst internet site still in existence. : )

28 Kragar  Jun 17, 2014 3:39:59pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Interesting. Gives a bit of credibility to the reports that the attackers were using looted State Dept phones to makes calls.

Until you realize they were talking about an electric pencil sharpener.

29 Skip Intro  Jun 17, 2014 3:40:23pm

re: #24 GlutenFreeJesus

Bossman needs a Olive Garden budget.

They can still go back to blaming Obama for losing Iraq. I’m sure that’s what Fox News/RWNJ Talk Radio will do.

30 Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2014 3:40:27pm

re: #17 Skip Intro

Just fuck the Freepers. People so stupid they think it really costs over $330,000 to run a 1990s chat site really should confine their discussions to customizing their Rascals and accessorizing their walkers.

Yep…..FR is a hell of a scam, and the Robinson’s are laughing all the way to the bank.

I really do wonder where that 300K goes? It sure as hell isn’t going into the website, that’s for sure.

31 Lidane  Jun 17, 2014 3:40:59pm

re: #24 GlutenFreeJesus

Bossman needs a Olive Garden budget.

Olive Garden is foreign slop. JimRob only eats Murican foodz.

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32 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 17, 2014 3:41:18pm

re: #30 Dr Lizardo

Yep…..FR is a hell of a scam, and the Robinson’s are laughing all the way to the bank.

I really do wonder where that 300K goes? It sure as hell isn’t going into the website, that’s for sure.

Would be funny tho if RimJob is actually scammed by whoever he has for admin…

33 danarchy  Jun 17, 2014 3:41:48pm

re: #30 Dr Lizardo

Yep…..FR is a hell of a scam, and the Robinson’s are laughing all the way to the bank.

I really do wonder where that 300K goes? It sure as hell isn’t going into the website, that’s for sure.

Why do you hate capitalism

/

34 Skip Intro  Jun 17, 2014 3:42:39pm

re: #27 Justanotherhuman

Worst internet site still in existence. : )

I’d love to see their server farm of Pentium 286 machines, but I understand that’s top secret.

35 Skip Intro  Jun 17, 2014 3:43:29pm

re: #32 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Would be funny tho if RimJob is actually scammed by whoever he has for admin…

That would be his son, and yes, it would be hilarious.

36 Kragar  Jun 17, 2014 3:44:10pm

re: #34 Skip Intro

I’d love to see their server farm of Pentium 286 machines, but I understand that’s top secret.

Inside the Freeper Server farm

Image: ServerFarm1.jpg

37 Killgore Trout  Jun 17, 2014 3:45:28pm

re: #28 Kragar

Until you realize they were talking about an electric pencil sharpener.

I didn’t think they’d be dumb enough to take phones or computers from the compound. According to the NYT reports, they were indeed that dumb. Go figure.

38 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 3:45:38pm

re: #34 Skip Intro

I’d love to see their server farm of Pentium 286 machines, but I understand that’s top secret.

Freeper Servers

39 wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2014 3:46:43pm
40 nsmith25  Jun 17, 2014 3:47:58pm

re: #38 Justanotherhuman

Freeper Servers

Do I see a 5.25 Floppy Disk drive there?

41 Skip Intro  Jun 17, 2014 3:48:12pm

re: #38 Justanotherhuman

And this is how they connect them.

42 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 17, 2014 3:48:12pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

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It’s all fair, in 1090 they found the Holy Grail.

43 Killgore Trout  Jun 17, 2014 3:50:18pm

Why Delta Force Waited So Long to Grab a Benghazi Ringleader

The Obama administration has come under withering criticism because the whereabouts of abu Khatallah have been generally known. Journalists in Libya were able to interview him, critics asked, so why couldn’t American journalists track him down, too?

But other U.S. officials, who spoke to The Daily Beast anonymously because they were not authorized to talk to the press, said the mission to grab abu Khatallah had been planned for more than a year. Indeed, the Benghazi ringleader had been in the sights of Delta Force operators at the end of August, according to these sources, but no order was given at the time.

The practice and patience paid off, apparently. Gen. Martin Dempsey, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Sunday’s raid resulted in no casualties.

The mission to capture abu-Khatallah was something that was considered by top interagency officials in what is known as the deputies committee for months. Unlike the October 5, 2013 capture Abu Anas al-Libi, an accused planner of the 1998 al Qaeda attacks on U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the authority to capture abu Khatallah did not derive from the Congressional authorization to go to war against al Qaeda.

44 Patricia Kayden  Jun 17, 2014 3:50:53pm

So Secretary Rice was right after all.

45 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 3:52:26pm

re: #44 Patricia Kayden

So Secretary Rice was right after all.

Why do you think the Rs attacked her so viciously?

46 Kragar  Jun 17, 2014 3:53:22pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Why Delta Force Waited So Long to Grab a Benghazi Ringleader

If they sent in the troops earlier and the mission had failed or resulted in casualties, wingnuts would have been screaming about why Obama went in without being prepared.

Since it succeeded, the problem is obviously it would have been easily accomplished at any time so why did he wait?

47 Patricia Kayden  Jun 17, 2014 3:53:42pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

“The Obama administration has come under withering criticism”

By whom? By conservatives who have criticized him for every dang thing he’s ever done? There is nothing that President Obama has done or will do that Republicans won’t criticize him for. I’m just glad that they’ve caught at least one of Ambassador Stevens’ murderers.

48 dog philosopher  Jun 17, 2014 3:54:14pm

re: #30 Dr Lizardo

Yep…..FR is a hell of a scam, and the Robinson’s are laughing all the way to the bank.

I really do wonder where that 300K goes? It sure as hell isn’t going into the website, that’s for sure.

you just don’t understand freepernomics

49 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 17, 2014 3:55:12pm

wait what

50 b.d.  Jun 17, 2014 3:56:31pm

Charles will you be posting all of the tweets from the wingnuts apologizing as they come in?

51 dog philosopher  Jun 17, 2014 3:57:02pm

freeper website looks like that because somebody told them that CSS stands for ‘Communist SS’

52 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 17, 2014 3:58:23pm
53 Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2014 3:59:20pm

re: #48 dog philosopher

you just don’t understand freepernomics

I guess not.

Then again, I imagine an Olive Garden habit can be pretty pricey.

54 Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2014 4:00:08pm

re: #49 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

wait what

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Fluffy, The Destroyer of Worlds.

55 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 17, 2014 4:00:35pm

re: #54 Dr Lizardo

Fluffy, The Destroyer of Worlds.

Galactus’s pet.

56 dog philosopher  Jun 17, 2014 4:00:56pm

FreepOS version guide:

version 1.1: “Attila”

version 2: “Franco”

version 3: “Pinochet”

version 4: “Goldwater”

version 5: “Reagan”

version 6 (beta): “Putin”

57 blueraven  Jun 17, 2014 4:01:41pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

I didn’t think they’d be dumb enough to take phones or computers from the compound. According to the NYT reports, they were indeed that dumb. Go figure.

Maybe that’s because some of the “fighters” were really protesters that got in the mix. That would make more sense then, wouldn’t it?

Experienced terrorist fighters should indeed know better.

58 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 17, 2014 4:03:06pm
59 wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2014 4:04:21pm

re: #44 Patricia Kayden

So Secretary Rice was right after all.

So Shirley Sherrod was right after all.

So Van Jones was right after all.

So Eric Holder was right after all.

So Valerie Jarrett was right after all.

So Barack Obama was right after all.

How many verses does this song have?

60 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 4:05:51pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

So Shirley Sherrod was right after all.

So Van Jones was right after all.

So Eric Holder was right after all.

So Valerie Jarrett was right after all.

So Barack Obama was right after all.

How many verses does this song have?

How deep do you think racism is with some people in this country?

61 The Awkward Guy  Jun 17, 2014 4:06:30pm

62 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 17, 2014 4:07:34pm

re: #61 The Awkward Guy

Youz brokes lgfz

63 b.d.  Jun 17, 2014 4:07:38pm

I’ve lowered my expectations from an apology to just one of them admitting that they are trolling America.

64 nsmith25  Jun 17, 2014 4:09:27pm

So at what point during the past week or so did GOP military strategy become: LEEROY JENKINS!!!

Or has it just always been that. Hmmmmm…

65 wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2014 4:09:35pm

re: #60 Justanotherhuman

How deep do you think racism is with some people in this country?

For some, skin deep. For others, to the bone.

66 Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2014 4:09:36pm

re: #58 NJDhockeyfan

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Sounds like Boko Haram, especially given the location.

Boko Haram has apparently declared jihad against life itself.

67 b.d.  Jun 17, 2014 4:12:40pm

Bargain of the Day: StubHub is aflame with people trying to sell off their Gowdy Commission seats.

//

68 b.d.  Jun 17, 2014 4:14:00pm

Is Putin in Brazil watching his team? Is he staying at Glenn’s house?

69 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 4:14:52pm

3, 2, 1…

Fox News analyst: Benghazi arrest a conspiracy to help Hillary survive tonight’s Fox interview

rawstory.com

Hillary has withstood tougher questions than from Faux News.

70 Lidane  Jun 17, 2014 4:15:09pm

re: #55 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Galactus’s pet.

71 JustMark  Jun 17, 2014 4:16:14pm

Reposted from downstairs, cuz I’m slow like that.

So I get this msg after sharing a tweet about the Benghazi Ringleader capture - “Take my word for this, it was absolutely NOT the video that incited the Benghazi attack. I was there within hours of the initial reports and can tell you unequivocally it was NOT the video.
You can believe the crap being spewed by this administration and the rube they claim was one of the attackers. But, from someone who was there, it’s pure unadulterated BS.”

This on FB from a guy who is constantly going on about how insecure the internet is and don’t trust FB or your ISP with personal or sensitive information, etc.

Not passing my smell test…

72 Lidane  Jun 17, 2014 4:17:16pm

re: #64 nsmith25

So at what point during the past week or so did GOP military strategy become: LEEROY JENKINS!!!

Or has it just always been that. Hmmmmm…

From 2001-2008, GOP foreign policy was Greeted as liberators! combined with Nuke ‘em all, let God sort it out!.

Since 2009 it’s been a Putin love-fest and pronouncements that we’re about to collapse because Obama.

73 Testy Toad T  Jun 17, 2014 4:17:58pm

re: #34 Skip Intro

I’d love to see their server farm of Pentium 286 machines, but I understand that’s top secret.

You’re thinking of The Guardian’s laptops.

74 b.d.  Jun 17, 2014 4:18:18pm

re: #71 JustMark

If I was a dog, I’d be barking at that.

Fantasy commando

75 blueraven  Jun 17, 2014 4:22:41pm

re: #71 JustMark

Reposted from downstairs, cuz I’m slow like that.

So I get this msg after sharing a tweet about the Benghazi Ringleader capture - “Take my word for this, it was absolutely NOT the video that incited the Benghazi attack. I was there within hours of the initial reports and can tell you unequivocally it was NOT the video.
You can believe the crap being spewed by this administration and the rube they claim was one of the attackers. But, from someone who was there, it’s pure unadulterated BS.”

This on FB from a guy who is constantly going on about how insecure the internet is and don’t trust FB or your ISP with personal or sensitive information, etc.

Not passing my smell test…

Tell him to call Lara Logan.

76 wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2014 4:23:22pm

re: #75 blueraven

Tell him to call Lara Logan.

Perfect!

77 b.d.  Jun 17, 2014 4:24:39pm

Take that Putin!

78 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 17, 2014 4:25:08pm

re: #75 blueraven

Tell him to call Lara Logan.

So the guy is saying he was THERE? lol

79 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 17, 2014 4:25:23pm

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

Sounds like Boko Haram, especially given the location.

Boko Haram has apparently declared jihad against life itself.

Yup

80 b.d.  Jun 17, 2014 4:26:01pm

You think Snowden is rooting for the Russian team at the World Cup or is soccer too pedestrian of a sport for him?

81 KerFuFFler  Jun 17, 2014 4:26:27pm

re: #13 Lidane

Is this a distraction for Iraq, or is the Iraq collapse a distraction for this? Perhaps they are both a distraction for for the Mexican border collapse or the economic collapse. It’s so hard to tell with all these collapses happening.

What economic collapse????????????

The one conservatives are planning by holding up the next debt ceiling increase?

Just a minor quibble, but the writer cites two “collapses” and then refers to “all these collapses happening”. Seems like the appropriate modifier would be “both” IFF there were even two “collapses”. The conservatives are routinely over-inflating whatever problems they perceive like Beck constantly saying things like , “We see this over and over and over again.”

82 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 4:27:08pm

Floriduh man…

Florida man with assault rifle arrested on way to kill ex-girlfriend, her boyfriend, her child

rawstory.com

83 Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2014 4:28:17pm

re: #79 NJDhockeyfan

Yup

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Monstrous. And considering their rather dubious origins - namely, the spiritual descendants of a Nigerian cleric who denied that Muhammad (saas) was a prophet and proclaimed that he was the true prophet of Islam - Boko Haram has no room whatsoever to call others “blasphemers” or “apostates”.

84 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 17, 2014 4:29:13pm

re: #29 Skip Intro

They can still go back to blaming Obama for losing Iraq. I’m sure that’s what Fox News/RWNJ Talk Radio will do.

All over unlimited soup/salad/breadsticks.

85 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 17, 2014 4:30:04pm

HURR HURRRR!!!!!!

86 Bulworth  Jun 17, 2014 4:30:41pm

NO!! LIES!!!! TALKING POINTS!!!! STANDDOWN ORDER!!!!111

87 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 17, 2014 4:30:53pm

HURR HURR U STUPID LIBRULZ!!!! NY DAILY NEWS IS TEH TROOF & NY TIMES IS COMMUNIST LIES!!!!!!

88 Bulworth  Jun 17, 2014 4:31:12pm

re: #85 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh yes, the Drudge Report, let me go right there now and read that right away.

89 Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2014 4:32:02pm

re: #82 Justanotherhuman

Floriduh man…

Florida man with assault rifle arrested on way to kill ex-girlfriend, her boyfriend, her child

rawstory.com

Yep. Bugs Bunny was right all along.

Youtube Video

90 b.d.  Jun 17, 2014 4:32:08pm

Team Vlad ties it up.

91 Lidane  Jun 17, 2014 4:34:06pm

re: #82 Justanotherhuman

92 KerFuFFler  Jun 17, 2014 4:34:43pm

re: #50 b.d.

Charles will you be posting all of the tweets from the wingnuts apologizing as they come in?

That’ll be a short post….

93 wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2014 4:35:35pm

re: #92 KerFuFFler

That’ll be a short post….

I think it’s done.

94 Lidane  Jun 17, 2014 4:36:14pm

Totally unrelated stories!

95 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 17, 2014 4:37:07pm
96 Bulworth  Jun 17, 2014 4:37:36pm

re: #94 Lidane

Totally unrelated stories!

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Controversee is over TALKING POINTS And STANDDOWN ORDERS and LEAVING ARE MEN TO DIES!!!11 The actual murderers are of no interest to us.

97 Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2014 4:39:06pm

re: #95 Pie-onist Overlord

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One of my favorite internet images:

98 KerFuFFler  Jun 17, 2014 4:41:07pm

re: #97 Dr Lizardo

That dog does look positively stricken! 8D

99 Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2014 4:42:28pm

re: #98 KerFuFFler

Yeah….that dog has a real “OH SHIT - LIAM NEESON’S GONNA KILL ME!” look.

100 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2014 4:42:30pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Interesting. Gives a bit of credibility to the reports that the attackers were using looted State Dept phones to makes calls.

“young fighter” implies to me, a kid who never had a smart phone or could ever afford one. More likely, he wanted to find some social media or games.

101 Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2014 4:44:40pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

“young fighter” implies to me, a kid who never had a smart phone or could ever afford one. More likely, he wanted to find some social media or games.

Yeah……sounds like a kid for whom a smartphone was simply a nice bit of loot.

102 Lidane  Jun 17, 2014 4:46:00pm

Heh.

103 wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2014 4:47:26pm

re: #94 Lidane

Totally unrelated stories!

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Fox contributor: The capture of the Benghazi suspect “exists on a separate track to the controversy over Benghazi”

Mockery fails me.

All I can think of is The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. Which is also totally unrelated, but made some sense. In parts.

104 dog philosopher  Jun 17, 2014 4:48:41pm

Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin blasted the Republican establishment on Tuesday for spending more time trying to tear down Mississippi conservative Senate candidate Chris McDaniel than combating President Barack Obama’s lawlessness at home and incompetence abroad. Days before the Mississippi runoff, establishment Republicans have been trying to save incumbent Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS) by painting McDaniel as “unelectable” in a general election in one of the most reliably conservative states in the nation. Palin said that if “the national GOP machine spent as much time fighting President Obama’s disastrous and dangerous agenda as they’ve spent fighting that great conservative candidate…”

105 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 17, 2014 4:51:32pm
106 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 17, 2014 4:52:06pm

HAHA I know where this is.

107 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 4:57:56pm

re: #104 dog philosopher

Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin blasted the Republican establishment on Tuesday for spending more time trying to tear down Mississippi conservative Senate candidate Chris McDaniel than combating President Barack Obama’s lawlessness at home and incompetence abroad. Days before the Mississippi runoff, establishment Republicans have been trying to save incumbent Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS) by painting McDaniel as “unelectable” in a general election in one of the most reliably conservative states in the nation. Palin said that if “the national GOP machine spent as much time fighting President Obama’s disastrous and dangerous agenda as they’ve spent fighting that great conservative candidate…”

Who the fuck actually listens to this brain dead demagogue?

108 goddamnedfrank  Jun 17, 2014 4:58:01pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

So Shirley Sherrod was right after all.

So Van Jones was right after all.

So Eric Holder was right after all.

So Valerie Jarrett was right after all.

So Barack Obama was right after all.

How many verses does this song have?

What’s weird is that it was obvious at the time they were right. That video prompted spontaneous and often violent protests in something like 50 cities throughout Africa, Europe, the Middle East and South East Asia. At least 19 people died in Pakistan alone due to rioting in response to The Innocents of Muslims video.

It was patently obvious at the time that the video had caused furor throughout the Islamic world. The widespread right wing pretense that the Benghazi attack, which happened at the exact same time, could not also have been in response to that video is a testament to deliberate, ideologically based ignorance on an absolutely massive scale.

Which is also weird, because it’s entirely consistent with the conservative American islamophobic outlook to readily blame muslims for overreacting to perceived slights against their religion and Muhammed in particular. Normally conservative Republicans would be more than happy to say Muslims by and large are thin skinned and prone to take any insult as an excuse to riot or engage in violent jihad. They’d even be correct to a point, this problem (I think it’s a problem) does exist within the larger Islamic world, American style freedom of speech and expression is neither upheld as a principle of democracy nor is it tolerated. It’s not that people in those countries don’t understand it, it’s that by and large they just aren’t really down with it, at all.

But the conservative Republicans here decided to be in denial of all that obviousness because A.) it was at least in part what the Obama administration had said was the cause of the event (even though he’d labeled it terrorism,) and B.) that story was basically at odds with attacking the Obama administration for something it should have seen coming. Since the video’s release, from an American resident no less, was an unforeseeable act blaming Obama for not predicting it wasn’t plausible, so they reinvented the entire attack so that the video could not possible have been a proximate factor. In this new view the Benghazi attack was something that Obama caused through his intrinsic weakness and perception of the region through rose colored glasses, completely divorced from the video that sparked it.

109 Maxwell Not So Smart  Jun 17, 2014 4:59:16pm

Thank goodness the GOP didn’t spend large amounts of time and political capital investigating this Benghazi thing ;-)

110 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 5:01:35pm

Noooooooooo……..

Russia, South Korea end World Cup match with 1-1 draw - @NBCSports
End of alert

111 goddamnedfrank  Jun 17, 2014 5:04:23pm

Basically Republicans decided that blaming Obama’s administration for Benghazi was more important than hating muslims, which must’ve been a real struggle for them.

112 Shazam  Jun 17, 2014 5:05:47pm

re: #108 goddamnedfrank

The timing just wasn’t convenient enough.

113 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 17, 2014 5:07:19pm

re: #106 Pie-onist Overlord

HAHA I know where this is.

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Pennsylvania?

114 wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2014 5:08:19pm

re: #111 goddamnedfrank

Basically Republicans decided that blaming Obama’s administration for Benghazi was more important than hating muslims, which must’ve been a real struggle for them.

Which is why Obama has to be a Muslim. That way they can hate their cake and eat it too.

115 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2014 5:08:57pm

re: #85 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRRR!!!!!!

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Drudge is too busy being worry about the rising cost of chicken.

116 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 17, 2014 5:09:23pm
117 wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2014 5:09:59pm
118 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 5:12:11pm

Puzzlin’ evidence.

119 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 17, 2014 5:12:54pm

Does “SpreadButter” look like a psycho in her own Twitter avi?

120 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 17, 2014 5:13:09pm

re: #113 NJDhockeyfan

Pennsylvania?

Troy, Michigan.

121 jamesfirecat  Jun 17, 2014 5:13:33pm

re: #118 EdDantes

Puzzlin’ evidence.

What evidence are you referring to and why do you find find it puzzling?

122 makeitstop  Jun 17, 2014 5:13:57pm

re: #121 jamesfirecat

What evidence are you referring to and why do you find find it puzzling?

DNFTT.

123 makeitstop  Jun 17, 2014 5:15:06pm

re: #119 Pie-onist Overlord

Does “SpreadButter” look like a psycho in her own Twitter avi?

Her actual tweet don’t look all that sane, either.

124 Timothy Watson  Jun 17, 2014 5:15:10pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

Drudge is too busy being worry about the rising cost of chicken.

And wondering if he needs to replace the tissue boxes on his feet with cleaner ones.

125 wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2014 5:16:59pm

re: #121 jamesfirecat

What evidence are you referring to and why do you find find it puzzling?

Shhhhh… he’s in the middle of a flounce…..

126 Gus  Jun 17, 2014 5:19:08pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

Shhhhh… he’s in the middle of a flounce…..

The one year version? //

127 EPR-radar  Jun 17, 2014 5:20:17pm

re: #111 goddamnedfrank

Basically Republicans decided that blaming Obama’s administration for Benghazi was more important than hating muslims, which must’ve been a real struggle for them.

Actually that probably wasn’t much of a struggle at all. Hating on the Democrats and making the plutocrats richer are the only core values of the GOP. Islamophobia is incidental to this mission.

128 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 17, 2014 5:20:21pm
129 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 5:21:49pm

re: #128 NJDhockeyfan

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And with the obligatory porn mustache…

130 prairiefire  Jun 17, 2014 5:21:58pm

re: #128 NJDhockeyfan

Probably for a cigarette ad.(?)

131 Stanley Sea  Jun 17, 2014 5:22:03pm

re: #128 NJDhockeyfan

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DAD!

132 Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2014 5:22:23pm

re: #116 NJDhockeyfan

Terrorism Experts Warn: Leader Of ISIS Has His Eyes On New York City…

It’s been done…

133 Timothy Watson  Jun 17, 2014 5:22:38pm

re: #127 EPR-radar

Actually that probably wasn’t much of a struggle at all. Hating on the Democrats and making the plutocrats richer are the only core values of the GOP. Islamophobia is incidental to this mission.

Oh, keeping the post-millennialists happy is important too.

134 Gus  Jun 17, 2014 5:23:57pm

re: #132 Decatur Deb

It’s been done…

Must. Create. Another. Bin. Laden.

135 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 17, 2014 5:24:10pm

I’m not sure I want to know what he did with that chicken.

136 makeitstop  Jun 17, 2014 5:24:32pm

re: #132 Decatur Deb

It’s been done…

I ain’t scared. I’m over terrists threatening NYC.

137 Stanley Sea  Jun 17, 2014 5:24:35pm

Gotta run, see ya’ll later.

138 Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2014 5:26:05pm

re: #136 makeitstop

I ain’t scared. I’m over terrists threatening NYC.

Thank heavens they haven’t thought of Alabama and our Strategic Derp Reserve.

139 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 5:28:18pm

re: #121 jamesfirecat

It’s like how hot dogs come in packs of 10, and buns come in packs of eight or 12 - you have to buy nine packs to make it come out even.

140 Gus  Jun 17, 2014 5:28:40pm

False pretenses
Following 9/11, President Bush and seven top officials of his administration waged a carefully orchestrated campaign of misinformation about Saddam Hussein’s Iraq

141 Testy Toad T  Jun 17, 2014 5:29:48pm

re: #140 Gus

It’s weird to look back and realize that you yourself can be vulnerable to the Big Lie.

Propaganda: it’s not just for the serfs of totalitarian regimes.

142 piratedan  Jun 17, 2014 5:31:03pm

re: #140 Gus

if only our enemies weren’t hailed as liberators, free to exploit the sectarian differences that we chose to ignore while we were busy rebuilding the functionality of the oil fields…..

143 jamesfirecat  Jun 17, 2014 5:31:15pm

re: #139 EdDantes

It’s like how hot dogs come in packs of 10, and buns come in packs of eight or 12 - you have to buy nine packs to make it come out even.

What is like that?

144 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 5:32:11pm

re: #141 Testy Toad T

It’s weird to look back and realize that you yourself can be vulnerable to the Big Lie.

Propaganda: it’s not just for the serfs of totalitarian regimes.

Some of us never bought into that crap.

I mean, Darth Cheney, for crying out loud?

145 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 5:33:06pm

re: #121 jamesfirecat

What evidence are you referring to and why do you find find it puzzling?

Actually, without being flippant this time, I thought that Benghazi leader’s statement was puzzling. It is early and I await new information.

146 Testy Toad T  Jun 17, 2014 5:34:54pm

re: #144 Justanotherhuman

Eh, I thought it might be exaggerated, and I didn’t trust Cheney to be a legitimately good politician, but I didn’t think they’d invent a major war out of whole cloth. I figured at least they believed what they were selling.

Well, whoops. I’ve grown up a bit since then.

147 Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2014 5:37:14pm

re: #145 EdDantes

Actually, without being flippant this time, I thought that Benghazi leader’s statement was puzzling. It is early and I await new information.

A noble outlook—assuming new information, whatever its content, is equally regarded.

148 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 17, 2014 5:37:16pm

Yesterday’s Nebraska tornadoes performed a Hat Trick…

149 sagehen  Jun 17, 2014 5:37:19pm

I’m going to take a wild guess here….

Maybe Ahmed Abu Khattala was planning a smallish group assault anyway, because CIA substation, because 9/11, because America, because internal Libyan political reasons, etc…

When the video blew up the internet and started protests in Cairo and a dozen other countries, he adapted quickly and used that to recruit a significantly larger force than he’d have been able to muster otherwise.

150 Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2014 5:38:36pm

re: #148 NJDhockeyfan

Yesterday’s Nebraska tornadoes performed a Hat Trick…

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An aerial view of that storm scar would be telling.

151 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 5:38:36pm

I can’t stand either Bolton or the Fox libertarians but GG thinks they’re important, because libertarians. Independents, my ass. It never occurs to GG that being an isolationist libertarian can be just as bad as invading another country for a cooked-up reason.

152 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 5:42:08pm

re: #147 Decatur Deb

A noble outlook—assuming new information, whatever its content, is equally regarded.

I just want the truth. If the truth conflicts with what I believe, I will have to yield to reality.

153 KerFuFFler  Jun 17, 2014 5:42:31pm

re: #140 Gus

IDK Dick Cheney being wrong about a country having WMDS at cost of $1 trillion & 1000s of troops lives is hard to top. Andrew Kaczynski

It’s closer to two trillion dollars———1.7 trillion plus expected expenses of ongoing care for injured soldiers. (But maybe that figure is for both Iraq and Afghanistan.)

154 wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2014 5:43:41pm

Later, lizards.

155 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 5:46:54pm

re: #153 KerFuFFler

It’s been estimated it could rise to over $4T with interest over the years, as part of US debt.

156 Belafon  Jun 17, 2014 5:48:27pm

re: #151 Justanotherhuman

Thinking about the proper role of the US in the world is not something they do at all. It’s either all or nothing. I believe the appropriate term is extremism.

157 Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2014 5:48:45pm

re: #152 EdDantes

I just want the truth. If the truth conflicts with what I believe, I will have to yield to reality.

Here’s where I do my world-famous Pontius Pilate imitation. Or was that Jack Nicholson?

At any rate, you’ve just disqualified yourself from TPGOP leadership.

158 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 17, 2014 5:49:05pm

*RIMSHOT*

159 Lidane  Jun 17, 2014 5:49:54pm

re: #144 Justanotherhuman

Some of us never bought into that crap.

Amen.

The run up to the Iraq War was the one time I was eternally grateful for my bullshit detector and my general distrust of Republicans. I never bought their lies for a second.

160 Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2014 5:51:06pm

re: #159 Lidane

Amen.

The run up to the Iraq War was the one time I was eternally grateful for my bullshit detector and my general distrust of Republicans. I never bought their lies for a second.

That’s easier if you watched the run up to the Vietnam War.

161 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 5:52:13pm

re: #160 Decatur Deb

That’s easier if you watched the run up to the Vietnam War.

I suppose you and I are old enough to remember. : )

162 goddamnedfrank  Jun 17, 2014 5:52:14pm

re: #152 EdDantes

I just want the truth. If the truth conflicts with what I believe, I will have to yield to reality.

Let’s be honest, no amount of proof is going to change your mind, you’ll go on believing what you want to believe. You don’t even believe in biological evolution despite the overwhelming amount on evidence that supports the theory, why would this guy’s previous and well documented statements change anything to you? The video caused riots in some 50 different cities at the exact same time Benghazi was attacked, yet for some reason you’ve believed this whole time the Obama administration was lying when they said it played a role.

163 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 5:52:27pm

re: #157 Decatur Deb

Here’s where I do my world-famous Pontius Pilate imitation. Or was that Jack Nicholson?

At any rate, you’ve just disqualified yourself from TPGOP leadership.

You’re probably thinking of pilate’s “What is truth” because I can handle the truth.

164 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 17, 2014 5:53:04pm

<wingnut Republican-tea-hadist>OBAMA TORTURED HIM TO SAY THAT SO THAT’S WHY TORTURE IS BAD AND NOT TRUSTWORTHY!!!!!!!…

..hey, wait. Forget that part. …forget I said that.

OBAMA BAD BADB BAD BAD BAD DUMB SOCIALIST COMMUNIST Ni__ER!!!!!!!!.Eleventy!!!!!!!!! BENNNGHAAAAAAAZZZZZIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</wingnut Republican-tea-hadist>

165 blueraven  Jun 17, 2014 5:53:18pm

re: #134 Gus

Must. Create. Another. Bin. Laden.

What gets me is all the FEAR. I mean good grief 9/11 was almost 13 years ago yet still, all some two bit terrorist has to do is say boo and the media and right wing freak out.

They thrive on it. For the media fear sells, for the RW fear is used as a political cudgel. Personally, I am sick of it. It is not what America is supposed to be about.

Not saying we don’t need to remain vigilant, but it is getting embarrassing.

166 Lidane  Jun 17, 2014 5:54:45pm

re: #160 Decatur Deb

That’s easier if you watched the run up to the Vietnam War.

I wasn’t a blip on my parent’s radar at that point. I wasn’t born until 1973. :)

167 Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2014 5:58:29pm

re: #166 Lidane

I wasn’t a blip on my parent’s radar at that point. I wasn’t born until 1973. :)

Then you missed having a “Sea Swallow” visit your highschool and spread the Viet version of “Deus Vult”.

en.wikipedia.org

168 Amory Blaine  Jun 17, 2014 5:59:17pm

re: #89 Dr Lizardo

Here’s a handy gif for you.

169 Amory Blaine  Jun 17, 2014 6:01:02pm

re: #128 NJDhockeyfan

I would totally rock that sweater.

170 palomino  Jun 17, 2014 6:01:34pm

re: #149 sagehen

I’m going to take a wild guess here….

Maybe Ahmed Abu Khattala was planning a smallish group assault anyway, because CIA substation, because 9/11, because America, because internal Libyan political reasons, etc…

When the video blew up the internet and started protests in Cairo and a dozen other countries, he adapted quickly and used that to recruit a significantly larger force than he’d have been able to muster otherwise.

Good point, one that absolutists in the gop don’t seem to get. These two competing causes (video vs. planned assault) are formulated by the right in a simplistic binary way. It’s not necessarily one or the other; indeed, they may be inextricably intertwined.

This is what I think Hillary was getting at in her widely criticized committee remarks, “We have 4 dead Americans. What difference does it make [what motivated their killers]?” Not very artfully said maybe, but the comments are certainly not just a pile of indifferent bitchery from the Wicked Witch of the Midwest.

171 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 6:02:10pm

re: #162 goddamnedfrank

I acknowledge that I do not believe in biological evolution. I also acknowledge that Abu Khattala adds another layer to the episode that conjures up Bees. I am waiting for additional information.

172 Killgore Trout  Jun 17, 2014 6:04:19pm

re: #149 sagehen

I’m going to take a wild guess here….

Maybe Ahmed Abu Khattala was planning a smallish group assault anyway, because CIA substation, because 9/11, because America, because internal Libyan political reasons, etc…

When the video blew up the internet and started protests in Cairo and a dozen other countries, he adapted quickly and used that to recruit a significantly larger force than he’d have been able to muster otherwise.

It also makes good tactical sense, if the consulate and local police think it might be a protest instead of an attack they are less likely to respond with force. Extra people and civilians in the street also help as human shields/cannon fodder. I have little doubt Khattala and friends were offended by the video but they are always offended. They are terrorist and will attack western targets and their fellow Muslims with the same enthusiasm.

173 makeitstop  Jun 17, 2014 6:05:24pm

re: #165 blueraven

For the media fear sells, for the RW fear is used as a political cudgel.

And the dirty little secret behind Right Wing fear-mongering is that they want us to be as scared as they are.

One of my Facebook wingnuts comes out to see my band, and my wife talked to his wife one night. My wife mentioned that we were thinking of going to Europe for a vacation, and his wife said ‘We’d never do that! Everyone there hates us and they’d probably try to kill us!’

Mind you - these are not old people, the couple is in their mid to late 30s. But for all the bravado, all the warmongering, all the Fox talking points about how liberals are just big wimps - these two are literally afraid to leave this country, for fear one of ‘them’ is gonna kill them.

Quite telling.

174 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 17, 2014 6:06:43pm

re: #169 Amory Blaine

I would totally rock that sweater.

It comes with a chicken. What a bargain!

175 Kid A  Jun 17, 2014 6:06:58pm

Well, I guess the Republicans will accept this and move on to more pressing things affecting the country, ready to work with Obama day and night to make it happen.
//

176 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 6:08:10pm

Here is the puzzlin’ evidence reference from 1987.

Youtube Video

177 Gus  Jun 17, 2014 6:08:55pm

National Report

National Report (nationalreport.net) is a satirical website. It is published by Allen Montgomery.[1]

Among headline-generating spoofs are a report that Arizona’s governor Jan Brewer intended to introduce mandatory gay-to-straight conversion courses into the state’s public school system,[2] and a report that fooled researchers at Fox News Channel, in which the President was purported to have announced his intention to spend his own money to keep a Muslim museum open during a government shutdown.[3] Another report that fooled people in Wyoming claimed that a man in Hanna, Wyoming was the first recipient of a RFID chip which, the report claimed, was part of an Obamacare pilot program.[1] A report published by National Report on November 2, 2013 claiming a fictitious Assam Rape Festival created a furor in Indian national and local media. Several newspapers and blogs reported the same…

Source of what’s become a hoax meme: Ted Cruz Interview Scrubbed by Website After Racist Comments | National Report

178 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 6:09:30pm

Drudge Report: Homepage for the Right—Rachel Maddow.

Teehee. Making fun of Drudge’s “chicken prices” lead story.

179 Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2014 6:09:41pm

re: #177 Gus

National Report

Source of what’s become a hoax meme: Ted Cruz Interview Scrubbed by Website After Racist Comments | National Report

I hate these dishonest hoax sites. They’re a plague on the Internet.

180 Belafon  Jun 17, 2014 6:11:14pm

re: #171 EdDantes

“I’m just waiting for the missing link.”

181 Gus  Jun 17, 2014 6:11:29pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

I hate these dishonest hoax sites. They’re a plague on the Internet.

Currently on the front page of National Report.

182 TedStriker  Jun 17, 2014 6:11:30pm

re: #80 b.d.

You think Snowden is rooting for the Russian team at the World Cup or is soccer too pedestrian of a sport for him?

He’s too busy playing 3D chess in a 2D world.

/or is that someone else that I’m thinking about? ///

183 Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2014 6:11:49pm

What they’re doing is not satire - they’re deliberately trying to trick people into circulating links to their site, by exploiting confirmation bias to make people think they’re genuine stories.

You really have to keep that bullshit detector set on high these days.

184 goddamnedfrank  Jun 17, 2014 6:13:03pm

re: #171 EdDantes

I acknowledge that I do not believe in biological evolution. I also acknowledge that Abu Khattala adds another layer to the episode that conjures up Bees. I am waiting for additional information.

So the contemporaneous riots in 50 different cities, which were all in response to the Innocence of Muslims video, aren’t an indication that the Benghazi attack was also about that video? Benghazi was somehow unique, it’s population was plausibly alone within the muslim world in not taking grave insult?

This is what I mean about your ideological confirmation bias, as it applies to evolution and as it applies here. You simply don’t want to believe something so you don’t. It’s not that you’re incapable of weighing the evidence, you simply choose not to consider it at all, you dismiss it out of hand.

185 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 17, 2014 6:14:25pm
186 Amory Blaine  Jun 17, 2014 6:14:56pm

It appears Benghazi is another of Obamas “Please proceed” philosophy of engagement. It makes the GOP look like craven opportunists all on their own. Well done sir.

187 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 17, 2014 6:15:34pm

re: #169 Amory Blaine

I would totally rock that sweater.

I’d like of like it in a gray tweed type yarn, and maybe cut the collar down just a bit, more of a traditional shawl collar. I’d keep the ‘stach however, it’s at lot like mine when I let it grow out.

RBS

188 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 17, 2014 6:17:10pm

re: #171 EdDantes

I acknowledge that I do not believe in biological evolution. I also acknowledge that Abu Khattala adds another layer to the episode that conjures up Bees. I am waiting for additional information.

You acknowledge what you don’t believe in while outright disregarding any and all evidence to the contrary. Think about that for a minute.

189 jonhendry  Jun 17, 2014 6:20:25pm

Obviously, Khattala is saying this in exchange for being tried in civilian courts rather than Gitmo.

//

190 jaunte  Jun 17, 2014 6:21:06pm
191 Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2014 6:21:07pm

re: #171 EdDantes

I acknowledge that I do not believe in biological evolution. I also acknowledge that Abu Khattala adds another layer to the episode that conjures up Bees. I am waiting for additional information.

EdDantes, the Last Creationist at LGF.

192 missliberties  Jun 17, 2014 6:22:06pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

So Shirley Sherrod was right after all.

So Van Jones was right after all.

So Eric Holder was right after all.

So Valerie Jarrett was right after all.

So Barack Obama was right after all.

How many verses does this song have?

The right has spun so many lies, one can hope the web of deceit will finally break through and start permeating their precious brain cell.

193 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 6:23:00pm

re: #180 Belafon

“I’m just waiting for the missing link.”

The term ” missing link” is no longer operative. What paleontologists are now looking for are series of fossils that establish a link between disparate species that show a linear relationship.

194 jonhendry  Jun 17, 2014 6:23:20pm

re: #28 Kragar

Until you realize they were talking about an electric pencil sharpener.

Nah, it was an ink packet attached to a Hot Topic t-shirt.

195 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 6:25:42pm

Stop treating war-crazy buffoons as experts! They got it wrong, remember?

Wolfowitz, Kristol and the rest of the neocons should be pariahs. Instead they’re on Sunday show round tables

salon.com

196 Mattand  Jun 17, 2014 6:25:50pm

re: #152 EdDantes

I just want the truth. If the truth conflicts with what I believe, I will have to yield to reality.

re: #171 EdDantes

I acknowledge that I do not believe in biological evolution. I also acknowledge that Abu Khattala adds another layer to the episode that conjures up Bees. I am waiting for additional information.

I really don’t know how people like you tie their shoes without hurting themselves, let alone manage reality.

197 jaunte  Jun 17, 2014 6:27:43pm

re: #193 EdDantes

The term ” missing link” is no longer operative. What paleontologists are now looking for are series of fossils that establish a link between disparate species that show a linear relationship.

Which paleontologists are looking for that?

198 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 6:28:47pm

re: #196 Mattand

I really don’t know how people like you tie their shoes without hurting themselves, let alone manage reality.

Perhaps it is because I have managed to understand the distinction between fact and opinion.

199 ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2014 6:29:34pm

Wow what a day of spin for the conservatives, wingnutters, and Obama haters in general. They seem to be all over the place. It’s like the proverbial light turning on and the cockroaches scrambling for some cover.

I always wonder, do they collectively not have any self-awareness of how ridiculous they come off to anyone with a brain? And yet, they continue on looking like complete fools.

We can’t be too far away from some of the moderates on the conservative side to come to the conclusion they need to separate themselves from the madness and do it quickly before they all go down the rabbit hole of insanity never to recover.

If it wasn’t so messed up and dragging the country down, this would be fun to watch.

200 goddamnedfrank  Jun 17, 2014 6:30:50pm

re: #193 EdDantes

The term ” missing link” is no longer operative. What paleontologists are now looking for are series of fossils that establish a link between disparate species that show a linear relationship.

That relationship already exists, in the fossil record and in the DNA record. It’s the detail resolution you’re never going to be happy with. Every time a gap is filled it creates two more, providing you with a never ending supply of excuses.

201 Belafon  Jun 17, 2014 6:30:59pm

re: #193 EdDantes

I can just imagine you talking to Mendeleev: “What’s this hole at element 43? How do you expect me to accept your ‘periodic’ table with that missing? Yeah, you might be able to tell me what it might be like, but this hole is just a weakness.”

202 Jack Burton  Jun 17, 2014 6:31:51pm

re: #198 EdDantes

Perhaps it is because I have managed to understand the distinction between fact and opinion.

Truth. Facts. Opinion.

You Keep Using That Word

203 Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2014 6:32:18pm

Ed’s like that Japanese soldier who was still holed up on a remote Indonesian island 50 years after World War II was over.

204 Lidane  Jun 17, 2014 6:34:12pm

re: #197 jaunte

Which paleontologists are looking for that?

The ones who got their PhD’s from a Cracker Jack box, obviously.

205 jaunte  Jun 17, 2014 6:35:23pm

re: #204 Lidane

We have found the elusive Crocolizarduck!

206 Belafon  Jun 17, 2014 6:36:23pm

re: #204 Lidane

The ones who got their PhD’s from a Cracker Jack box, obviously.

Or Liberty University, but I might be redundant.

207 Justanotherhuman  Jun 17, 2014 6:38:00pm

Whoa! And with this, the rack beckons.

Later, Lizards!

208 Kragar  Jun 17, 2014 6:38:15pm

re: #203 Charles Johnson

Ed’s like that Japanese soldier who was still holed up on a remote Indonesian island 50 years after World War II was over.

Do we need to find his CO to come tell him to stand down?

209 Kid A  Jun 17, 2014 6:38:38pm

re: #206 Belafon

Hillsdale College!

210 ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2014 6:38:57pm

re: #171 EdDantes

I acknowledge that I do not believe in biological evolution. I also acknowledge that Abu Khattala adds another layer to the episode that conjures up Bees. I am waiting for additional information.

Do you consider yourself a Christian? Being that you do not believe in biological evolution, I’m thinking your beliefs lie in the Christian realm of thinking.

If you are a Christian, why do you buy into it if you need additional information on things you do no believe like evolution, or that anyone in the president’s administration is telling the truth about Ben Ghazi?

211 Lidane  Jun 17, 2014 6:39:19pm

re: #206 Belafon

Or Liberty University, but I might be redundant.

Cracker Jack boxes have better accreditation.

212 Kragar  Jun 17, 2014 6:41:38pm

Everyone knows that life began on earth as part of the Elder Things engineering the Shoggoths.

213 Kid A  Jun 17, 2014 6:42:06pm

re: #210 ObserverArt

You may have done it by mistake, but I find it hilarious that you spelled it Ben Ghazi like it’s some dude. Thanks for the laugh.

214 ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2014 6:42:12pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

EdDantes, the Last Creationist at LGF.

Is he going to be tasked with turning out the lights?

215 ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2014 6:42:44pm

re: #213 Kid A

You may have done it by mistake, but I find it hilarious that you spelled it Ben Ghazi like it’s some dude. Thanks for the laugh.

It was on purpose…fo sho!

: )

216 Kid A  Jun 17, 2014 6:43:21pm

re: #215 ObserverArt

Ben Ghazi! My man!!!

217 Single-handed sailor  Jun 17, 2014 6:43:52pm

re: #214 ObserverArt

Is he going to be tasked with turning out the lights?

Lights Out

I’ve been waiting to use this .gif, thanks.

218 prairiefire  Jun 17, 2014 6:46:44pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

But now he will have to say it in American court.

219 BongCrodny  Jun 17, 2014 6:47:19pm

re: #214 ObserverArt

Is he going to be tasked with turning out the lights?

Some would argue that the lights are already turned off.

220 Lidane  Jun 17, 2014 6:49:17pm

re: #212 Kragar

Everyone knows that life began on earth as part of the Elder Things engineering the Shoggoths.

Many races believe that the creation of the Universe involved some sort of God, though the Jatravartid people of Viltvodle VI believe that the entire Universe was in fact sneezed out of the nose of a being known as the Great Green Arkleseizure. The Jatravartids live in perpetual fear of the time they call the Coming of the Great White Handkerchief, somewhat similar to the Apocalypse. However, the Great Green Arkleseizure theory is not widely accepted outside Viltvodle VI and so, the Universe being as wide and strange as it is, other explanations are constantly being sought by different races throughout the Galaxy.

221 Kid A  Jun 17, 2014 6:50:49pm
222 jaunte  Jun 17, 2014 6:51:32pm
223 Kid A  Jun 17, 2014 6:52:12pm

re: #220 Lidane

I’m always late to the party, but I picked up Cosmos on Blu-Ray. Tyson rocks.

224 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 17, 2014 6:52:33pm

re: #193 EdDantes

The term ” missing link” is no longer operative. What paleontologists are now looking for are series of fossils that establish a link between disparate species that show a linear relationship.

Youtube Video

225 Belafon  Jun 17, 2014 6:54:43pm

re: #221 Kid A

I wanted to reply with “Of course not. Democrats don’t win elections. They steal them.” But I wasn’t sure I could convey enough sarcasm. Someone might think I’m serious.

226 Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2014 6:55:15pm
227 goddamnedfrank  Jun 17, 2014 6:57:18pm

I like it when people pretend that evolution isn’t something we’ve actually witnessed, in the laboratory, and that is duplicatable. I like it when people pretend evolution isn’t the entire basis for modern agriculture.

I think sometimes what they mean is “natural selection,” and not evolution. That they intrinsically understand that species evolve, producing new, genetically distinct organisms, and that those new organisms go on to try and reproduce, compete to pass on their mutated genes. I try to be generous and give these people the benefit of the doubt, that they simply need to believe this process cannot possibly be random, because God. If they need to think God is predetermining every single mutation and deciding which ones survive and which don’t, fine, but that’s still evolution. It’s just a divinely driven model of evolution, the progression of organisms is still there.

But then people who should know better still insist that they don’t believe in evolution, keep pointing to the gaps within the fossil record as if a fossil record without gaps would even be possible considering the conditions necessary for fossilization to even occur. And then I think these people must be religious zealots, idiots or just clinically insane. Do they think God is magically creating each new species from scratch? Is it some cosmic attempt at misdirection that mankind can track these incremental changes in physical form with equivalent changes in the genetic code between different species? In their minds is God just some colossally bored asshole who spent most of the billions of years of creation setting up an elaborate plan to fuck with human scientists simply out of having had nothing better to do?

228 jaunte  Jun 17, 2014 6:57:38pm
229 prairiefire  Jun 17, 2014 7:00:50pm

re: #228 jaunte

Right, now? Lord have mercy.

230 prairiefire  Jun 17, 2014 7:01:40pm

re: #228 jaunte

I can hardly see the funnel for the rain.

231 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 17, 2014 7:05:12pm
232 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 7:06:00pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

EdDantes, the Last Creationist at LGF.

Not a creationist. Pay attention.

233 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 7:06:54pm

re: #203 Charles Johnson

Ed’s like that Japanese soldier who was still holed up on a remote Indonesian island 50 years after World War II was over.

Good one, Chuck!

234 ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2014 7:07:28pm

The google soccer header is pretty cool right now. Reminds me of some of the images I saw when some people went to Brazil and came back with photos of real life in Rio de Janeiro. They had this one photo of a hillside with simple houses built of just about everything stacked sort of like the google graphic.

Google Front - World Cup Image

The “l” in google is animated and kicking a soccer ball against a wall

235 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2014 7:08:13pm
236 klys  Jun 17, 2014 7:08:29pm

I am amazed that Ed thinks this will get him banned, given some of the shit other posters pull on a regular basis that is far more disruptive to the community as a whole.

237 jamesfirecat  Jun 17, 2014 7:09:17pm

re: #232 EdDantes

Not a creationist. Pay attention.

So you are just agnostic on the issue of how humanity came to exist/wolves turned into dogs?

238 klys  Jun 17, 2014 7:09:28pm

In other news, it appears several juniper bushes have been sacrificed in the name of the main water line. I would like water back in the house. The cats are getting restless. So am I.

239 sagehen  Jun 17, 2014 7:09:37pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

I try to be generous and give these people the benefit of the doubt, that they simply need to believe this process cannot possibly be random, because God. If they need to think God is predetermining every single mutation and deciding which ones survive and which don’t, fine, but that’s still evolution. It’s just a divinely driven model of evolution, the progression of organisms is still there.

(snip)

In their minds is God just some colossally bored asshole who spent most of the billions of years of creation setting up an elaborate plan to fuck with human scientists simply out of having had nothing better to do?

Jews have an easy way of squaring that circle:

God created the process. He wrote the laws of physics, the laws of chemistry, whatever other immutable universal laws there may be… then hit the start button and sat back to see how it would play out. Eventually, it led to humanity with the intellectual capacity to discover and describe these laws, with the physical/technological capacity to participate as junior partners in ongoing creation, and he’ll judge us (individually and collectively) by the way we handle that responsibility.

240 prairiefire  Jun 17, 2014 7:11:17pm

re: #236 klys

I think communities should be in flux, in general.

241 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2014 7:11:31pm
242 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 7:13:22pm

re: #237 jamesfirecat

So you are just agnostic on the issue of how humanity came to exist/wolves turned into dogs?

Wolves and dogs can interbreed.

243 jamesfirecat  Jun 17, 2014 7:14:46pm

re: #242 EdDantes

Wolves and dogs can interbreed.

So can lions and tigers.

Are you going to argue those are the same species and we just have not noticed it yet?

244 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 17, 2014 7:14:50pm
245 ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2014 7:15:16pm

re: #239 sagehen

Jews have an easy way of squaring that circle:

God created the process. He wrote the laws of physics, the laws of chemistry, whatever other immutable universal laws there may be… then hit the start button and sat back to see how it would play out. Eventually, it led to humanity with the intellectual capacity to discover and describe these laws, with the physical/technological capacity to participate as junior partners in ongoing creation, and he’ll judge us (individually and collectively) by the way we handle that responsibility.

I must have gotten a bit of that Jewish take on creation and evolutionary science, but it came from my 12 years of Catholic schooling as a youth. Must have been the Franciscans and the Jesuits!

246 klys  Jun 17, 2014 7:15:27pm

re: #240 prairiefire

I think communities should be disrupted, in general.

We can agree to disagree, although to clarify, inspiring discussion and presenting different viewpoints is not being disruptive.

247 bratwurst  Jun 17, 2014 7:16:36pm

re: #242 EdDantes

Wolves and dogs can interbreed.

Always a good sign when the topic here turns to animal husbandry.

248 prairiefire  Jun 17, 2014 7:17:14pm

re: #239 sagehen

But, Y—way always emphasized love, acceptance, welcoming the prodigal son home. The strength of family, faith, self-worth.

249 Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2014 7:17:14pm

re: #232 EdDantes

Not a creationist. Pay attention.

Yes, you are a creationist, and bullshitting me about it isn’t going to work. Been there, done that.

250 prairiefire  Jun 17, 2014 7:18:40pm

re: #246 klys

We can agree to disagree, although to clarify, inspiring discussion and presenting different viewpoints is not being disruptive.

Of course it is! It pisses somebody off.

251 Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2014 7:20:58pm

It always amazes me that creationists feel a compulsion to lie about being creationists. Almost as if they realize on some level how irrational their beliefs are.

252 palomino  Jun 17, 2014 7:21:52pm

re: #232 EdDantes

Not a creationist. Pay attention.

OK, what are you then? What do you believe?

253 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 17, 2014 7:24:09pm
254 danarchy  Jun 17, 2014 7:25:07pm

re: #223 Kid A

I’m always late to the party, but I picked up Cosmos on Blu-Ray. Tyson rocks.

So I liked Cosmos and Neil did a good job, but aside from some of the nods to the late great Carl Sagan and the fact that it was on a prime time broadcast network I didn’t see where it was substantially different or better than a lot of the other science shows around these days. Like the Universe, or How the Universe Works, or Wonders of the Solar System, or NOVA etc.

255 palomino  Jun 17, 2014 7:25:53pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

Yes, you are a creationist, and bullshitting me about it isn’t going to work. Been there, done that.

Yeah, Charles, pay attention. He’s not a creationist. He’s an intelligent designer.

There’s a big difference…if you don’t think about it at all.

256 Randall Gross  Jun 17, 2014 7:27:21pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

It always amazes me that creationists feel a compulsion to lie about being creationists. Almost as if they realize on some level how irrational their beliefs are.

He’s trying to tell us that he believes in micro but not macro evolution or some variant of that horsehittery. Yes, all dogs, jackals, wolves, foxes, etc. descended from your basic European wolf, and some of those can successfully interbreed to create hybrids. However they can’t interbreed with seals, cats, or bears, but they do have a common ancestor with them as their phylogenetic tree and DNA clearly demonstrate.

257 Shazam  Jun 17, 2014 7:27:22pm

My beliefs must yield to reality. It’s just so weird how reality always confirms my beliefs.

258 ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2014 7:28:17pm

re: #252 palomino

OK, what are you then?

A Ball of Confusion.

Oh yeah, that’s what the world is today
Woo, hey, hey!

Youtube Video

Sorry for being a bit punchy tonight…had a strange day and lot of work to do…and its wind down time. This is a good way to close it out.

(That song does sound good…been some time since I’ve heard it)

259 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 7:28:30pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

Yes, you are a creationist, and bullshitting me about it isn’t going to work. Been there, done that.

I’m not a creationist. If you would ask I would tell you.

260 Belafon  Jun 17, 2014 7:29:20pm

re: #259 EdDantes See #252 palomino.

261 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 17, 2014 7:29:26pm

re: #259 EdDantes

I’m not a creationist. If you would ask I would tell you.

What you are, is a fucking asshole. Stop being one.

262 palomino  Jun 17, 2014 7:30:07pm

re: #259 EdDantes

I’m not a creationist. If you would ask I would tell you.

Several people have already asked.

Please, tell us now, the suspense is overwhelming.

263 lawhawk  Jun 17, 2014 7:32:40pm

Unlike Fargo, there’s no suspense here, Ed. You’re not fooling anyone.

264 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 7:36:18pm

re: #261 Pie-onist Overlord

What you are, is a fucking asshole. Stop being one.

Can’t believe that you be so crude or that you get an upding. But you are and you did.

265 TedStriker  Jun 17, 2014 7:37:44pm

re: #259 EdDantes

I’m not a creationist. If you would ask I would tell you.

re: #262 palomino

Several people have already asked.

Please, tell us now, the suspense is overwhelming.

266 prairiefire  Jun 17, 2014 7:38:11pm

re: #263 lawhawk

Unlike Fargo, there’s no suspense here, Ed. You’re not fooling anyone.

Fargo is driving me nuts!

267 Belafon  Jun 17, 2014 7:38:14pm

re: #264 EdDantes

Are you going to answer the question lots of people have asked, or are you going to do everything possible to avoid it?

268 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 17, 2014 7:38:19pm

re: #264 EdDantes

Can’t believe that you be so crude or that you get an upding. But you are and you did.

Truth hurts, doesn’t it? Let me give her another one.

269 Gus  Jun 17, 2014 7:38:46pm
270 prairiefire  Jun 17, 2014 7:39:01pm

re: #264 EdDantes

Can’t believe that you be so crude or that you get an upding. But you are and you did.

Faux civility, always hilarious.

271 palomino  Jun 17, 2014 7:39:34pm

re: #259 EdDantes

I’m not a creationist. If you would ask I would tell you.

Oh, so you have to be formally asked before you state an opinion on evolution. That’s dainty and weird.

Do you also require an engraved invitation before divulging your views on other things? Maybe someone should write a formal letter, in calligraphy of course, in order to find out your favorite color, food and rap artist.

272 teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2014 7:40:57pm

re: #171 EdDantes

I acknowledge that I do not believe in biological evolution.

Then what do you believe, Ed?

I thought the Lizards scared all the creationists away.

273 Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2014 7:41:08pm
274 Belafon  Jun 17, 2014 7:42:46pm

re: #273 Charles Johnson

You have to believe that bigotry is possible before you will see it.

275 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 7:43:18pm

re: #271 palomino

Oh, so you have to be formally asked before you state an opinion on evolution. That’s dainty and weird.

Do you also require an engraved invitation before divulging your views on other things? Maybe someone should write a formal letter, in calligraphy of course, in order to find out your favorite color, food and rap artist.

I am not a creationist. I just do not believe in evolution. Who does not understand? Show of hands! Charles?

276 jaunte  Jun 17, 2014 7:45:26pm

re: #275 EdDantes

Did you answer my question in 197? I missed it if you did.

277 jaunte  Jun 17, 2014 7:46:21pm

197.

278 teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2014 7:46:33pm

re: #275 EdDantes

I am not a creationist. I just do not believe in evolution. Who does not understand? Show of hands! Charles?

Ed, what in the hell do you believe happened on this rock spinning around a star over the last billion or so years where we have all this diverse life? How do you think all this life occurred on this planet?

I call bullshit. I’ll also readily admit that I don’t understand one iota how one can not be a creationist and also not believe the processes of evolution and natural selection.

Good grief!

279 Gus  Jun 17, 2014 7:46:37pm

So tired of people saying Muslim without noting the different sects of Islam like Shia, Sunni, Salafists, etc. There’s no such thing as a monolithic Muslim belief system. There are variations.

280 palomino  Jun 17, 2014 7:46:51pm

re: #275 EdDantes

I am not a creationist. I just do not believe in evolution. Who does not understand? Show of hands! Charles?

That sounds a bit like my view on the existence of God. It also sounds like the definition of agnostic.

Which puts us back at square one, since someone above specifically asked if you were agnostic on the issue of evolution, and you then dodged that question.

281 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 7:47:00pm

re: #276 jaunte

That was …

282 jaunte  Jun 17, 2014 7:47:40pm
283 The Awkward Guy  Jun 17, 2014 7:47:51pm

re: #279 Gus

So tired of people saying Muslim without noting the different sects of Islam like Shia, Sunni, Salafists, etc. There’s no such thing as a monolithic Muslim belief system. There are variations.

STUPID LIBTARD, THEY’RE ALL THE SAME: EVIL!!!!111TY

284 Gus  Jun 17, 2014 7:48:18pm

Watching the video. Sharia?

285 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 7:48:52pm

re: #278 teleskiguy

Ed, what in the hell do you believe happened on this rock spinning around a star over the last billion or so years where we have all this diverse life? How do you think all this life occurred on this planet?

I call bullshit. I’ll also readily admit that I don’t understand one iota how one can not be a creationist and also not believe the processes of evolution and natural selection.

Good grief!

You tell me how life occurred on this planet! Anyone else may chime in. I will wait awhile.

286 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2014 7:49:01pm

my cats keep saying it’s time to shut down the computer.
I better do that before they drag out their tiny arrows…

niters, lizardz

287 lawhawk  Jun 17, 2014 7:51:23pm

re: #266 prairiefire

First time in ages that I’m shouting at the screen and it’s not a sporting event. There are a lot of bad things afoot (no spoilers there!)

288 jamesfirecat  Jun 17, 2014 7:52:33pm

re: #285 EdDantes

You tell me how life occurred on this planet! Anyone else may chime in. I will wait awhile.

Evolution is not concerned with the issue of how life on the planet began, it is concerned with what that life has done over the past billion years since it came to be….

289 ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2014 7:53:16pm

re: #275 EdDantes

I am not a creationist. I just do not believe in evolution. Who does not understand? Show of hands! Charles?

Big surprise. The unassailable position. Are you a libertarian too?

Let’s not play pin the tail on Ed.

290 EdDantes  Jun 17, 2014 7:53:17pm

re: #285 EdDantes

You tell me how life occurred on this planet! Anyone else may chime in. I will wait awhile.

Good night all. I’m sorry this post upset so many lizards but I really wanted that question answered. I am certain some will come up up with the correct answer. After all, I was asked that very same question.

291 teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2014 7:54:02pm

re: #285 EdDantes

You tell me how life occurred on this planet!

I can tell you how life on this planet as we observe it today got to its present form through evolution and natural selection. I can tell you about the great epochs of different kinds of life that occurred on this planet (and their subsequent mass extinctions). I can tell you that life was single-celled organisms for many hundreds of millions of years before even the trilobite came about.

But you’re not interested., ‘cause you’re a goddamn creationist.

292 jaunte  Jun 17, 2014 7:54:19pm

Now I’ll never find out which “paleontologists are now looking for a series of fossils that establish a link between disparate species that show a linear relationship.”

293 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!  Jun 17, 2014 7:56:08pm

re: #264 EdDantes

If you do not believe the Earth was created by a God, and you do not believe in a long, slow evolution of all life forms, what do you believe?

294 jamesfirecat  Jun 17, 2014 7:56:10pm

re: #290 EdDantes

Good night all. I’m sorry this post upset so many lizards but I really wanted that question answered. I am certain some will come up up with the correct answer. After all, I was asked that very same question.

So by “awhile” you meant “five minutes” (well more like four and twenty seconds) good to know and good riddance.

295 teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2014 7:57:27pm

People, there’s no gray area here. Either you accept the science of biological evolution and natural selection, or you accept that we all just poofed into existence by some supernatural power. There is no in between. Sorry, Ed, you’re a creationist and you will be ridiculed around these parts for that.

296 Kragar  Jun 17, 2014 7:58:52pm

God used science starting with the Big Bang and has played by its rules for the last several billions year.

297 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!  Jun 17, 2014 7:59:01pm

re: #290 EdDantes

Wait, what? But you can Google evolution. No need to write it all out here.
We can’t Google your views
.

298 gwangung  Jun 17, 2014 8:00:31pm

re: #259 EdDantes

I’m not a creationist. If you would ask I would tell you.

Creationists are liars.

I’m not listening to your words. I’m looking at your actions.

299 Shazam  Jun 17, 2014 8:00:55pm

So his beliefs must yield to reality, unless the massive evidence for something can be subverted by asking an unrelated question.

300 ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2014 8:03:43pm

re: #279 Gus

So tired of people saying Muslim without noting the different sects of Islam like Shia, Sunni, Salafists, etc. There’s no such thing as a monolithic Muslim belief system. There are variations.

How many Christian factions are there?

People. Humans.

Being Catholic, we were taught there was one true church as taught by St. Peter. Then there was Martin Luther…and all kinds of hell broke out after that.

Now, there are too many different sects among the name “Christian” church. It’s all humans. Humans are the screw ups. Yet we have all these religions. Are they not all following the same God, or are they more concerned with a select few doing doing the following the one and only True WayTM.

Togetherness for the betterment of man, and yet they all go off into little groups and look out the windows at each other and point. It just does not add up.

And that’s what my religious upbringing taught me. A whole lot of doubt.

And a good evening to all…Ed remains ill-defined.

301 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 17, 2014 8:04:17pm

re: #290 EdDantes

Good night all. I’m sorry this post upset so many lizards but I really wanted that question answered. I am certain some will come up up with the correct answer. After all, I was asked that very same question.

Don’t flatter yourself. You haven’t upset anyone. We simply want you to answer a simple question. You say you’re not a creationist, yet you don’t believe in the scientific fact of evolution.

So what are you?

302 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!  Jun 17, 2014 8:04:20pm

So it occurred to me, I always ride on into threads without even saying hello and then just leave as quick without saying goodbye!
I am like, the rudest Lizard.

303 The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 17, 2014 8:05:56pm

re: #279 Gus

So tired of people saying Muslim without noting the different sects of Islam like Shia, Sunni, Salafists, etc. There’s no such thing as a monolithic Muslim belief system. There are variations.


This happened last week:
Mohammed Idris was assassinated for speaking against Al Shebab. It got no press in this country, just like hundreds of assassinations of anti-Islamist public figures have failed to rise to the attention of US commentators.

It’s not that they’re failing to note distinctions, it’s that they’re ignoring them, just as they’re willing to ignore that Islamic terrorists overwhelmingly target other Muslims. No good faith effort is being made.

304 palomino  Jun 17, 2014 8:06:18pm

re: #302 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!

So it occurred to me, I always ride on into threads without even saying hello and then just leave as quick without saying goodbye!
I am like, the rudest Lizard.

I’m no better. So you’ve at least got a little company for the rudest lizard prize.

305 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 17, 2014 8:07:08pm

This recurring discussion reminds me of the circle arriving in Flatland once a year to proclaim the existence of the 3rd dimension.

That it appears to be periodic event simply to make a proclamation, not that is also revealing some piece of hidden knowledge.

306 Belafon  Jun 17, 2014 8:08:26pm

re: #290 EdDantes

So, you never answered the question that you said you would answer. You didn’t even attempt a non-answer in the mold of Kilgore Trout. Really pathetic.

307 jaunte  Jun 17, 2014 8:12:00pm

re: #305 Feline Fearless Leader

You can’t remain the last Japanese soldier holding out on the island if you start answering questions.

308 teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2014 8:12:45pm

re: #212 Kragar

Everyone knows that life began on earth as part of the Elder Things engineering the Shoggoths.

Precisely.

309 Ryan King  Jun 17, 2014 8:15:11pm

Vanilla Trollin

310 klys  Jun 17, 2014 8:17:00pm

I HAVE WATER AGAIN.

311 teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2014 8:17:25pm
312 HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2014 8:19:51pm

re: #311 teleskiguy

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Ha! You know what though, I know the character is a brutal killer and portrayed almost as the personification of evil in Puzo’s novel but I always felt bad for Luca. Didn’t have a chance when Tattaligia’s guys got him from behind.

313 Ryan King  Jun 17, 2014 8:20:09pm

Gotta love the Dante Deluxe.

314 EPR-radar  Jun 17, 2014 8:21:26pm

So. An evolution denier who is supposedly not a creationist.

Leaving the implausibility of that scenario aside, we are left with the denial of evolution.

The arrogance is breathtaking. Decades of rational effort by thousands of investigators in a field (i.e., biology) that is suitable for making scientific progress, and the results of all this effort are to be rejected. Basically for the hell of it.

This is perfectly fine for a blinkered zealot, but this is from someone who supposedly can be swayed by evidence.

Being persuadable by evidence is a lie. QED.

315 Gus  Jun 17, 2014 8:22:19pm
316 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 17, 2014 8:22:40pm

Have fun everyone. Off to the night shift at the motel. Pity my iphone 3gs gags on even the mobile form of LGF but I’ll look in the morning to see if Ed weasels around anymore.

317 Gus  Jun 17, 2014 8:22:41pm

318 Ryan King  Jun 17, 2014 8:23:25pm

Wingnut Radio today:

Why did they wait this long to get this guy? It took 14 years to get Bin Laden… hmmm.

319 HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2014 8:23:46pm

re: #315 Gus

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Primitives.

320 Gus  Jun 17, 2014 8:24:52pm
321 HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2014 8:25:02pm

re: #318 Ryan King

Wingnut Radio today:

Why did they wait this long to get this guy? It took 14 years to get Bin Laden… hmmm.

Seriously Bin Laden was on the run Bush’s entire presidency. This guy not even two years. But I know, Obama gets different standards because they just can’t bring themselves to admit that Obama has been much more effective combating and preventing terrorism than their cowboy.

322 Gus  Jun 17, 2014 8:25:23pm

That last Tweet is from someone making the rounds for allegedly taking Dana Milbank to task.

323 Gus  Jun 17, 2014 8:27:35pm
324 Eventual Carrion  Jun 17, 2014 8:27:51pm

re: #113 NJDhockeyfan

Pennsylvania?

There is Little Beaver Township south of me here in western PA near Pittsburgh. No Big Beaver that I know of.

325 HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2014 8:28:26pm

re: #324 Eventual Carrion

There is Little Beaver Township south of me here in western PA near Pittsburgh. No Big Beaver that I know of.

Is that near the Beaver Falls that is Namath’s hometown?

326 Ryan King  Jun 17, 2014 8:28:30pm

re: #321 HappyWarrior

We’re well beyond Pretzel Logic in Wingnut Radio.

It’s Intellectual Linguini.

327 jaunte  Jun 17, 2014 8:28:52pm

re: #320 Gus

The IRS’ annual IT budget is $1.5 billion? Yeah, I believe that those emails are “lost.”

The Apollo program budget was more than $22 billion. Therefore, there was never a fire on the launchpad.

328 Gus  Jun 17, 2014 8:29:26pm
329 Gus  Jun 17, 2014 8:29:43pm

re: #327 jaunte

The Apollo program budget was more than $22 billion. Therefore, there was never a fire on the launchpad.

Tweet that. :D

330 Eventual Carrion  Jun 17, 2014 8:31:47pm

re: #139 EdDantes

It’s like how hot dogs come in packs of 10, and buns come in packs of eight or 12 - you have to buy nine packs to make it come out even.

Hebrew National come in packs of 7.

331 klys  Jun 17, 2014 8:32:53pm

THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY I MIGHT GET OUT OF THE OFFICE YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW EXCITED I AM.

/signed the cats

332 Eventual Carrion  Jun 17, 2014 8:47:17pm

re: #205 jaunte

We have found the elusive Crocolizarduck!

They were delicious.

333 prairiefire  Jun 17, 2014 8:48:21pm

...

334 prairiefire  Jun 17, 2014 8:51:48pm

re: #311 teleskiguy

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This is true.

335 Eventual Carrion  Jun 17, 2014 9:10:40pm

re: #278 teleskiguy

Ed, what in the hell do you believe happened on this rock spinning around a star over the last billion or so years where we have all this diverse life? How do you think all this life occurred on this planet?

I call bullshit. I’ll also readily admit that I don’t understand one iota how one can not be a creationist and also not believe the processes of evolution and natural selection.

Good grief!

We are just batteries for machines and this is a dream we are having while floating on a nutrition bath hooked to the Matrix. That should be made into a movie.

336 Eventual Carrion  Jun 17, 2014 9:16:25pm

re: #285 EdDantes

You tell me how life occurred on this planet! Anyone else may chime in. I will wait awhile.

BANG! Then all that matter started attracting and repelling all over the place. Different matter bound or repelled each other. Billions of different combinations were made and unmade. The stable ones persisted, the unstable ones dispersed and went flying in search of a compatible docking atom or atom cluster already formed.

Should I go on, this can get a bit long?

337 Eventual Carrion  Jun 17, 2014 9:19:05pm

re: #290 EdDantes

Good night all. I’m sorry this post upset so many lizards but I really wanted that question answered. I am certain some will come up up with the correct answer. After all, I was asked that very same question.

You waited 5 fucking minutes. You think something that complicated can be written up that fast? So you really didn’t want to know, did you? Have fun with your hardon.

338 Eventual Carrion  Jun 17, 2014 9:24:18pm

re: #325 HappyWarrior

Is that near the Beaver Falls that is Namath’s hometown?

Yeah, they are close in, counties right next to each other.

339 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 17, 2014 10:34:46pm

re: #193 EdDantes

The term ” missing link” is no longer operative. What paleontologists are now looking for are series of fossils that establish a link between disparate species that show a linear relationship.

Evidence for evolution does not depend solely on the fossil record, you know. Genetic research has established clear “family relationships” along different species, such as humans and chimpanzees, modern humans and Neandertals.

The fact that every species on Earth shares the same fragments of genetic code is a powerful argument for evolution.

340 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 17, 2014 10:43:15pm

re: #275 EdDantes

I am not a creationist. I just do not believe in evolution. Who does not understand? Show of hands! Charles?

Then, pray tell, how do you explain for the diversity of life on Earth, for the many extinction events that have wiped out thousands of species yet allowed others to thrive?

if you are suggesting that each present species has always existed in its present form, then you are spouting a creationist line. Hence, our confusion.

341 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 17, 2014 10:50:51pm

re: #285 EdDantes

You tell me how life occurred on this planet! Anyone else may chime in. I will wait awhile.

Sloppy definitions time. This question is about abiogenesis, NOT evolution. Try to be more clear.

Abiogenesis = the theory that life developed from abiotic (non-living) chemical processes

Evolution = the theory that the diversity of life on Earth developed from simple organisms of the abiogenetic period

These are compartmentalized, though clear related. Evolution does not speculate on how life began on Earth; it deals with everything that happened after life began. Abiogenesis does not speculate on what happened after life began, only on how it started in the first place.

Try to keep up.

342 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 17, 2014 11:06:34pm

re: #285 EdDantes

You tell me how life occurred on this planet! Anyone else may chime in. I will wait awhile.

I have no idea how life arose on Earth. Current hypotheses do not rise to the status of facts, that’s for sure.

You’ve been asked about biological evolution though, and evolution happens *after* life appears. So it would seem you don’t even know what you’re talking about.

343 JDRhoades  Jun 18, 2014 6:09:42am

re: #243 jamesfirecat

Wolves and dogs can interbreed.

So can lions and tigers

The liger is bred for its skills in magic.


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