Dana Milbank Responds to Dylan Byers: Politico’s Reporting Disaster

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Dylan Byers

Politico’s Reporting Disaster
by Dana Milbank
June 18, 2014

Politico’s media blogger, Dylan Byers, regularly supplies his readers with tidbits on comings and goings in the news business, but this week he provided an additional service: a lesson in the limitations of armchair journalism.

Dylan Byers

After my column appeared Tuesday on a Heritage Foundation event on Benghazi that devolved into anti-Muslim ugliness, Byers tweeted that I had “totally misrepresented the panel.” It linked to a nine-minute video clip from the session. Byers followed that up shortly with a blog post titled “Dana Milbank’s Heritage Disaster,” based on the same excerpt.

I read Byers’s post, and there was indeed a disaster: the sort of disaster that occurs when a journalist, from the comfort of his office, levels accusations based on a nine-minute clip of a 65-minute panel he hadn’t attended. (Heritage didn’t post the full video until well after the Byers report, and Byers didn’t take me up on my offer to provide him earlier with my audio recording.)

Byers wrote that the Heritage Foundation “feels that the event was ‘mischaracterized’ by Milbank. It also notes that while the event took place at Heritage, it was hosted by the Benghazi Accountability Coalition.”

Continue reading at the Washington Post.

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VIDEO: Heritage Foundation’s Benghazi Panelists Mock Muslim Student
UPDATE at 6/18/14 11:36:09 am


One of the leaders of the Benghazi Accountability Coalition speaks out.

UPDATE at 6/18/14 11:26:10 am by Charles Johnson

I read Dana Milbank’s original article and then watched the video, and I’d agree in a very limited way that it seems Milbank slightly overstated the vehemence of the panel’s responses — but he certainly did not exaggerate their nature. The issue of whether Dana Milbank exaggerated the tone of a panel at a top conservative think tank pales in comparison to the ugly fact of the panel itself.

Right wingers are now demonizing Dana Milbank to take the focus off the sickening hate speech at Heritage Institute, and argue there was nothing wrong with the panel.

But everything about that panel discussion was a disgrace. And it’s another marker of the extreme bigotry that has come to define not just the far right, but now the Republican mainstream.

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251 comments
1 jaunte  Jun 18, 2014 10:51:35am
2 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2014 11:04:28am

Even shorter Dylan Byers: “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Muslim…”

3 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 18, 2014 11:14:02am

Even shorter Dylan Byers: “Yes, I am an asshole.”

4 jaunte  Jun 18, 2014 11:15:23am

Ed Morissey is ‘reporting’ on this story without mentioning anything about the backgrounds or anti-muslim attitudes of the members of the “Benghazi Accountability Coalition.”

5 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 18, 2014 11:15:33am

I should add that I have little use for Dana Milbanks, but Byers makes him look like Walter fucking Cronkite in comparison.

6 jonhendry  Jun 18, 2014 11:16:26am

I hope Dylan Byers’ official title at Politico is “typist”.

7 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 18, 2014 11:17:24am

re: #6 jonhendry

I hope Dylan Byers’ official title at Politico is “typist”.

Well, Charles Pierce doesn’t call it TigerBeat on the Potomac for nothing.

8 CuriousLurker  Jun 18, 2014 11:18:41am

Heh, “armchair journalism”—ouch—that truth is gonna hurt.

9 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 11:19:24am
10 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2014 11:19:31am

Byers apparently sought comment from a Heritage spokesman, but made no attempt to contact Saba Ahmed. Yet he felt free to comment on how Ahmed ‘seemed’.

To me, that says it all.

Heritage is made up of important men. Ahmed is a woman representing a minority religion. Of course he’s free to comment about her without speaking to her. He is an important man too.

11 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 11:23:09am

re: #10 wrenchwench

Byers apparently sought comment from a Heritage spokesman, but made no attempt to contact Saba Ahmed. Yet he felt free to comment on how Ahmed ‘seemed’.

To me, that says it all.

Heritage is made up of important men. Ahmed is a woman representing a minority religion. Of course he’s free to comment about her without speaking to her. He is an important man too.

So not only a dickhead but a shitty journalist too. Goes with the territory as they say.

12 lawhawk  Jun 18, 2014 11:24:34am

About Allen West:

13 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2014 11:26:43am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

So not only a dickhead but a shitty journalist too. Goes with the territory as they say.

By talking about her without speaking to her, Byers erases Ahmed from the story. It’s all about the mean, agenda driven Milbank.

Go away honey, the men are talking.

14 team_fukit  Jun 18, 2014 11:28:39am

What I really don’t get about them (Gaffney, Geller, Gabriel — what’s up with all the G’s?) is that if you took their rhetoric and simply subtracted “Muslims” and added “Jews” then people would place them in David Duke territory — and rightly so. “The problem with these radicals is ‘halakah.’” Would Heritage sponsor that?

15 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 11:28:46am

I added some thoughts to the post in an update…

Oh, and by the way, if you want to create that “Updated at…” divider, all you have to do is enter %%UPDATE%% in the post, followed by two blank lines.

16 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 18, 2014 11:31:02am

re: #14 team_fukit

What I really don’t get about them (Gaffney, Geller, Gabriel — what’s up with all the G’s?) is that if you took their rhetoric and simply subtracted “Muslims” and added “Jews” then people would place them in David Duke territory — and rightly so. “The problem with these radicals is ‘halakah.’” Would Heritage sponsor that?

Where do you think they got all their talking points to begin with? They just took a bunch of Anti-Semitic conspiracies and substituted “sharia” where applicable.

The “halal food plot” is such a word-for-word plagiarism from “the kosher tax” conspiracy that it would be hilarious if it wasn’t so downright sickening.

17 Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2014 11:31:28am

re: #14 team_fukit

What I really don’t get about them (Gaffney, Geller, Gabriel — what’s up with all the G’s?) is that if you took their rhetoric and simply subtracted “Muslims” and added “Jews” then people would place them in David Duke territory — and rightly so. “The problem with these radicals is ‘halakah.’” Would Heritage sponsor that?

If you look at a lot of the “G’s” anti-Muslim rhetoric, it’s largely derived from 19th Century Russian anti-Semitic tropes.

They’re really not that original.

18 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 11:32:00am

Hey, this event that was sponsored by Heritage and held at the Heritage building, totally not Heritage, man. And my contacts at Heritage who didn’t sponsor or hold this event sent me a nine minute video of the event they happened to come across and this nine minutes totally destroys the account of some Wash Post dude who went to the whole fcking conference. Loser.

Also, who is that leads the Heritage Foundation these days? Oh yeah, that guy.

heritage.org

19 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 11:36:18am
20 team_fukit  Jun 18, 2014 11:37:25am

re: #19 Kragar

“Uuu, a piece of candy.”

21 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 11:38:53am

re:
#19

Glad he got the RWNJ talking points OK.

22 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 11:39:57am

Because no one was going to be interested in HRC’s book anyway. ///

23 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 11:40:41am

re: #19 Kragar

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Stick to acting, James.

24 jonhendry  Jun 18, 2014 11:42:05am

re: #10 wrenchwench

Byers apparently sought comment from a Heritage spokesman, but made no attempt to contact Saba Ahmed. Yet he felt free to comment on how Ahmed ‘seemed’.

To me, that says it all.

Heritage is made up of important men. Ahmed is a woman representing a minority religion. Of course he’s free to comment about her without speaking to her. He is an important man too.

Byers also accepted Heritage’s claim that Heritage only provided the auditorium. Which ignores that Heritage is part of the Benghazi Nutjob Coalition that held the event.

25 b.d.  Jun 18, 2014 11:42:11am

I guess the wingnuts have some strange buying prerequisites for books?

26 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 11:42:13am
27 team_fukit  Jun 18, 2014 11:42:17am

Here’s a link to Allen West’s “I’m sick of being labeled an Islamophobe” “treatise” that has been circulating with the social media cons. If you dare to give him the clicks

28 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 11:43:17am

re: #27 team_fukit

Here’s a link to Allen West’s “I’m sick of being labeled an Islamophobe” “treatise” that has been circulating with the social media cons. If you dare to give him the clicks

Is it okay if I don’t click and just assume its the usual nonsensical screed?

29 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 11:43:44am

Amazon is announcing their smartphone today - $199 with a 2-year AT&T contract.

live.theverge.com

30 CuriousLurker  Jun 18, 2014 11:44:23am

re: #27 team_fukit

What Kragar said. I already have a pretty good idea what it says.

31 team_fukit  Jun 18, 2014 11:44:31am

re: #28 Kragar

Yes, more or less.

A week ago Barack Hussein Obama stated that the “world is less violent” during a Tumblr interview session - as his acolytes lapped it up. Is he really that clueless?

Islamic terrorist group al-Shabab proves it so. According to Yahoo News, Dozens of extremists (i.e. Islamic terrorists) attacked a Kenyan coastal town for hours, killing those who couldn’t answer questions about Islam and those who didn’t know the Somali language, officials and witnesses said Monday.

At least 48 people were killed and two hotels were set on fire. The assault in Mpeketoni began Sunday night as residents watched World Cup matches on TV and lasted until early Monday, with little resistance put up by Kenya’s security forces. Cars and buildings still smoldered at daybreak.

Just as a reminder, this violence is brought to you by the same jihadists who attacked Nairobi’s Westgate Mall last year — 67 people were killed last September when four al-Shabab gunmen attacked the upscale mall in the Kenyan capital.

And just like those barbaric savages then, the Mpeketoni attackers gave life-or-death religious tests, a witness said, killing those who were not Muslim.

“They came to our house at around 8 p.m. and asked us in Swahili whether we were Muslims. My husband told them we were Christians and they shot him in the head and chest,” said Anne Gathigi. Another resident, John Waweru, said his two brothers were killed because the attackers did not like that the brothers did not speak Somali.

At the Breeze View Hotel, the gunmen pulled the men aside and ordered the women to watch as they killed them, saying it was what Kenyan troops are doing to Somali men inside Somalia, a police commander said.

The Interior Ministry said that at about 8 p.m. Sunday, two minivans entered the town. Militants disembarked and began shooting. Kenya’s National Disaster Operations Center said military surveillance planes were launched shortly afterward.

It’s come to a certain point where I don’t blame these animals anymore. I blame us. They sense weakness and only respect strength, power, and might.

You know what I’m sick of? I am sick of the apologists, weaklings, and coexist bumper sticker crowd who sit back and allow this to happen.

I am sick of people telling us to not offend Muslims and that these are just the actions of those who are perverting Islam. I’m sick of Barack Hussein Obama supporting Islamists. I’m sick of us allowing this theocratic-political totalitarian ideology to infiltrate Western Civilization and turn our laws against us as they masquerade as a religion. I’m sick of tolerance becoming a one-way street leading to our cultural suicide.

I’m sick of being labeled as an “Islamophobe” for speaking the truth. I am sick of hearing we are not at war with Islam, yet their actions tell me that it has been and continues to be at war with us — Dar al Islam and Dar al Harb.

I am sick of an American pastor, Saeed Abedini being held in Iran for being a Christian. I am sick of a Sudanese Christian woman, Meriam Ibrahim, who is married to a naturalized American citizen and mother of two American children being held in a Sudanese prison because of her faith — sentenced to 100 lashes and death. I’m sick of hashtag diplomacy and empty rhetoric as a response to Islamic terrorists kidnapping Christian Nigerian girls and burning boys to death.

I’m sick of reading about Christians, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Copts, being slaughtered by the so called “religion of peace” — what utter bovine excrement.

I’m sick of the Muslim Brotherhood and its affiliated groups operating freely in America and U.S. political officials allowing if not encouraging it. I’m sick of CAIR being able to wield political influence in our country and censor women like Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Brigitte Gabriel who have suffered under the intolerant hands of Islamism — and hearing nothing from liberal progressives who tout a “War on Women.”

I’m sick of people worrying about jihadists taken off the battlefield and held at a freakin’ five-star facility like GITMO with top notch medical treatment and cable TV while Americans captured by the enemy are brutally tortured, and ritually beheaded. I’m sick of cowards who release the enemy’s leadership and try to convince the American people they are not a threat.

I’m sick of these bastards believing they can taunt and threaten our nation while we sit back and fools like John Kerry talk about climate change being a global threat — and want to ask Iran for assistance in Iraq. Iran is the number one state sponsor of terrorism and has the blood of American troops on its hands.

Yep, I’ve had it and will be relentless in defeating Islamic totalitarianism. Sir Winston Churchill tried to warn England of the threat of Naziism — of course the country initially sided with Chamberlain. And so history is repeating itself. Warning to liberal progressive socialists: stand clear lest you find yourself declared an ally with these barbarians. I am looking for brave Americans to enjoin this battle. This is not about killing them all, just killing the ones who need killing — since that is all they understand.

Read more at allenbwest.com

32 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 11:45:48am
33 team_fukit  Jun 18, 2014 11:46:04am

Buuurr Huuurrr Chuuuurchhill!!11! (I don’t know the wingnut font)

34 blueraven  Jun 18, 2014 11:46:55am

The thing is Milbank was there, in the room. Often times a video does not completely capture the virulent nature of a crowd.

Milbank may have used language that some feel is slightly over the top. This is what writers do at times. But again, he was there. In the room. He must have felt the hatred pretty strongly.

35 jaunte  Jun 18, 2014 11:47:20am

re: #31 team_fukit

Yep, I’ve had it and will be relentless in defeating Islamic totalitarianism.*

*Talk only, geographic limitations, no warranty expressed or implied.

36 allegro  Jun 18, 2014 11:48:19am

re: #31 team_fukit

Yes, more or less.

So Allen West is sick… yeah, I can go with that.

37 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 11:48:30am

“I am looking for brave Americans to enjoin this battle.”

Make your checks payable to…

38 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 11:48:38am

re:
#24

And that they provided the fcking auditorium. That should be embarassing enough.

39 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 11:49:02am

re:
#36

We knew that…

40 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2014 11:49:05am

re: #19 Kragar

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Guy that dates a girl young enough to be his granddaughter says what?

41 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 11:49:34am

re:
#37

yeah imma get my checkbook out right now….

42 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 11:50:34am

All U people mocking our outrageously hateful panel conference are so outrageously hateful shutup!

43 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 11:51:19am

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Amazon is announcing their smartphone today - $199 with a 2-year AT&T contract.

live.theverge.com

Was reading an article on that earlier, and I have to agree with their general sentiment that Amazon has a very tall order to fill. Bringing a new smartphone onto the market now is already an expensive task, but if you don’t have native apps that are on par or better than the competitions, then you’re sunk. And while Amazon has built a wide library for its Kindle tablets, the native apps it has for things like web browsing and email are nowhere near as good as what Google has to offer.

44 blueraven  Jun 18, 2014 11:51:27am

re: #32 Kragar

As John McCain gently weeps.

45 CuriousLurker  Jun 18, 2014 11:52:45am

For Allen West et al.:

Self-justification is worse than the original offense.
—Sufi proverb

46 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 11:52:49am

re: #32 Kragar

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You knew it was coming. There was going to be blowback from the guys who actually were in charge and know what they’re talking about. Not that the media cares much, what with the way they’ve wrapped their lips around the knobs of the Bush crowd.

47 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 11:54:55am

re:
#32

Fire UR whole entire cabinet and natl security team and HIRE DAVID PETRAEUS HERO!

Petraeus: Iraq is fubar, don’t go back in.

Impeach Petraeus!!!1

48 Ian G.  Jun 18, 2014 11:55:15am

Yes, the “Iranian-Saudi Caliphate”. That makes about as much sense as the “Catholic-Protestant Empire” based in Belfast.

Christ almighty, how fucking ignorant can one be? Iran and Saudi Arabia hate each other. Hatehatehatehatehate. But if you’re a wingnut twit who can’t tell them durned durka durkas apart, it makes no difference.

49 Lidane  Jun 18, 2014 11:55:20am

re: #32 Kragar

This is excellent news for John McCain!

Oh, wait…

50 team_fukit  Jun 18, 2014 11:55:48am
You know what I’m sick of? I am sick of the apologists, weaklings, and coexist bumper sticker crowd who sit back and allow this to happen.

Should I send Allen West some coexist stickers and wish him happy holidays?

51 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 11:56:16am

re:
#50

And some Harvey Milk postage stamps

52 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2014 11:56:32am

yay for excellent construction standards for the World Cup!

53 Lidane  Jun 18, 2014 11:57:03am

re: #48 Ian G.

Christ almighty, how fucking ignorant can one be? Iran and Saudi Arabia hate each other. Hatehatehatehatehate. But if you’re a wingnut twit who can’t tell them durned durka durkas apart, it makes no difference.

These are the same chickenhawk assholes who convinced people that Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden planned 9/11 together.

54 CuriousLurker  Jun 18, 2014 11:57:45am

Gah, I’ve gotta get back to work.

Another great post, Gus. Congrats and thanks for following up on this—I might never have seen it otherwise as I don’t read Milbank regularly.

BBL

55 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2014 11:58:13am

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

yay for excellent construction standards for the World Cup!

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WE DON’T NEED NO MARXIST SAFETY STANDARDS!1!1!!

56 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 11:58:16am

re:
#31

Warning to liberal progressive socialists: stand clear lest you find yourself declared an ally with these barbarians. I am looking for brave Americans to enjoin this battle. This is not about killing them all, just killing the ones who need killing — since that is all they understand.

Why are Liberals so violent and hateful, always attacking, killing?? ////

57 b.d.  Jun 18, 2014 11:58:37am

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

yay for excellent construction standards for the World Cup!

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Hey Maracana!!

58 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 11:59:11am

re: #48 Ian G.

Yes, the “Iranian-Saudi Caliphate”. That makes about as much sense as the “Catholic-Protestant Empire” based in Belfast.

Christ almighty, how fucking ignorant can one be? Iran and Saudi Arabia hate each other. Hatehatehatehatehate. But if you’re a wingnut twit who can’t tell them durned durka durkas apart, it makes no difference.

But they’re both Muslim!!!
///

59 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 12:00:34pm

re: #58 Kragar

But they’re both Muslim!!!
///

They’re all Ay-rabs, so why shouldn’t they work together against America!?

60 b.d.  Jun 18, 2014 12:00:59pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

yay for excellent construction standards for the World Cup!

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Bart Simpson: Ah, I wouldn’t take it down if I were you. It’s a load-bearing poster.

61 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 12:01:02pm

re:
#56

I am looking for brave Americans to enjoin this battle.

Oh the “brave” part could be a problem. And do you mean actual “battle” where someone would have to leave their basement den?

62 Lidane  Jun 18, 2014 12:01:36pm

re: #58 Kragar

But they’re both Muslim!!!
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Today’s GOP in a nutshell:

Former state party Vice Chairman Robin Armstrong of Friendswood moderated a panel discussion on minority outreach.

He remembered Said as a “very appealing, nice, polite young lady.”

“I had to tell her,” he said a little sheepishly, “that I don’t know of much Muslim outreach.”

He mentioned the party’s scattered Muslim precinct chairs, which would include Southlake City Council member Shahid Shafi, the target of Haussmann’s wrath.

Armstrong used the word Islamists. He said: “I use Muslims and Islamists interchangeably. I thought they meant the same thing.”

Uh — no.

(Might be a good topic for the next minority outreach.)

63 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 12:02:20pm
64 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 12:03:14pm

re: #62 Lidane

Today’s GOP in a nutshell:

Discussing that story with wingnuts on another board. General theme of the discussion? “She went there to provoke a reaction and she got it! She’s to blame for the anti-Muslim sentiment she got!” How do they reach this conclusion? She mentions she wore a veil to the convention, and in their minds, that was incitement.

65 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 12:03:17pm

re: #54 CuriousLurker

Gah, I’ve gotta get back to work.

Another great post, Gus. Congrats and thanks for following up on this—I might never have seen it otherwise as I don’t read Milbank regularly.

BBL

Thanks.

66 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 12:03:43pm
67 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 12:07:09pm
68 Lidane  Jun 18, 2014 12:08:28pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

How do they reach this conclusion?

Being stupid helps.

She mentions she wore a veil to the convention, and in their minds, that was incitement.

Well, yes. Because we all know that Islam is a political ideology not a religion. And veils are a radical political statement, not a sign of modesty. Or something.

See that whole “being stupid” thing again.

69 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2014 12:08:30pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

Discussing that story with wingnuts on another board. General theme of the discussion? “She went there to provoke a reaction and she got it! She’s to blame for the anti-Muslim sentiment she got!” How do they reach this conclusion? She mentions she wore a veil to the convention, and in their minds, that was incitement.

She should have stayed home. Women who leave the house deserve whatever happens to them. Especially if they’re wearing things.

70 Decatur Deb  Jun 18, 2014 12:08:32pm

re: #67 Kragar

No, they’re complaining about the same thing.

71 Decatur Deb  Jun 18, 2014 12:09:34pm

re: #69 wrenchwench

She should have stayed home. Women who leave the house deserve whatever happens to them. Especially if they’re wearing things.

She’s probably heard that before.

72 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2014 12:09:54pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

Discussing that story with wingnuts on another board. General theme of the discussion? “She went there to provoke a reaction and she got it! She’s to blame for the anti-Muslim sentiment she got!” How do they reach this conclusion? She mentions she wore a veil to the convention, and in their minds, that was incitement.

She coulda been one of the Nuns on the Bus!!!111!!!

73 Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2014 12:10:32pm

re: #50 team_fukit

Should I send Allen West some coexist stickers and wish him happy holidays?

And don’t forget to wish him a Mubarak Ramadan.

That’s coming up soon.

74 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 18, 2014 12:10:33pm

re: #43 Targetpractice

Was reading an article on that earlier, and I have to agree with their general sentiment that Amazon has a very tall order to fill. Bringing a new smartphone onto the market now is already an expensive task, but if you don’t have native apps that are on par or better than the competitions, then you’re sunk. And while Amazon has built a wide library for its Kindle tablets, the native apps it has for things like web browsing and email are nowhere near as good as what Google has to offer.

Ended up selling my Kindle because some very standard iOS and Android apps weren’t available for it without rooting. Forget that. More trouble than it was worth.

75 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2014 12:12:15pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

She’s probably heard that before.

We all have.

My heart goes out to the hijabis, though. Who knew that wearing an article of clothing that symbolizes modesty, privacy, dedication and faith really means you’re asking for it?

76 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 12:14:42pm
77 Ian G.  Jun 18, 2014 12:14:48pm

re: #69 wrenchwench

She should have stayed home. Women who leave the house deserve whatever happens to them. Especially if they’re wearing things.

Beat me to it.

And the headdresses worn by Haredi Jewish women might “incite” me….if I were a goddamn neo-Nazi.

78 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 12:16:15pm

re: #74 GlutenFreeJesus

Ended up selling my Kindle because some very standard iOS and Android apps weren’t available for it without rooting. Forget that. More trouble than it was worth.

I think it’s safe to say at this point that, unless you’re Apple or your smartphone uses Android, then you’re already starting out at a disadvantage.

79 The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 18, 2014 12:16:49pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

We all have.

My heart goes out to the hijabis, though. Who knew that wearing an article of clothing that symbolizes modesty, privacy, dedication and faith really means you’re asking for it?

Fun fact: all articles of clothing amount to “asking for it.”

…and so does nudity.

80 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 12:18:29pm

re: #77 Ian G.

Beat me to it.

And the headdresses worn by Haredi Jewish women might “incite” me….if I were a goddamn neo-Nazi.

One wingnut, who styles herself a “blue dog Democrat” despite having made it clear that she’s anything but, tried to compare the hijab to a nun’s habit or a yarmulke. Difference is that I doubt Texas Republicans would be giving dirty looks to a nun or following her into a bathroom to accuse her of being a terrorist.

81 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 12:20:50pm

Some right wingers have now moved on to attacking Saba Ahmed’s character, which is absolutely, totally irrelevant to the issue, but that never stops them.

I just got told on Twitter that I should be condemning her as much as the panelists.

82 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 12:21:39pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

Some right wingers have now moved on to attacking Saba Ahmed’s character, which is absolutely, totally irrelevant to the issue, but that never stops them.

I just got told on Twitter that I should be condemning her as much as the panelists.

That’s what happens when you can’t defend the indefensible, you resort to tearing down the victims.

83 Lidane  Jun 18, 2014 12:22:17pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

I just got told on Twitter that I should be condemning her as much as the panelists.

What the hell for? Having the audacity to face down a bunch of Islamophobes and ask them questions?

84 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2014 12:22:27pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

Some right wingers have now moved on to attacking Saba Ahmed’s character, which is absolutely, totally irrelevant to the issue, but that never stops them.

I just got told on Twitter that I should be condemning her as much as the panelists.

OFFS.

Even fucking Frank Gaffney didn’t condemn her, but you’re supposed to?

85 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 12:23:10pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

Some right wingers have now moved on to attacking Saba Ahmed’s character, which is absolutely, totally irrelevant to the issue, but that never stops them.

I just got told on Twitter that I should be condemning her as much as the panelists.

For what? Being a Muslim or being a woman?

86 Shazam  Jun 18, 2014 12:24:25pm

re: #85 Kragar

Speaking up while being both.

87 missliberties  Jun 18, 2014 12:25:07pm

All the deflection in the world will NOT take away the rank, gross, sickening, unparalleled bigotry we saw at the Heritedge Event. Case closed.

…..but this is an enlightening peek at how the right twists the truth. This isn’t about Dylan or Dana. This is about what came out of the mouths of the people who were speaking for Heritedge. Period.

88 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 12:25:40pm

Jay Carney Takes A Dig At Dick Cheney For Iraq Op-Ed

Carney was asked about the opinion piece, in which Cheney declared “rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many,” during his final White House briefing.

“Which president was he talking about?” Carney said with a straight face, drawing laughter from reporters.

89 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 18, 2014 12:26:13pm

re: #32 Kragar

Wasn’t McCain on the TeeVee suggesting Obama should get rid of his Nat. Sec. team and replace them with people like Petraeus?

90 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 12:26:56pm

re: #83 Lidane

What the hell for? Having the audacity to face down a bunch of Islamophobes and ask them questions?

They hunted for dirt on her and found her signature on a 9/11 Truther page.

91 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 12:28:07pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

They hunted for dirt on her and found her signature on a 9/11 Truther page.

So now they’re calling on you to condemn her for an old shame so as to get Heritage off the hook for their shame.

Feel free to tell them to fuck off.

92 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2014 12:28:08pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

They hunted for dirt on her and found her signature on a 9/11 Truther page.

OMG!

**faints**

93 Lidane  Jun 18, 2014 12:28:18pm

re: #89 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Wasn’t McCain on the TeeVee suggesting Obama should get rid of his Nat. Sec. team and replace them with people like Petraeus?

Yes, which is what makes Petraeus it funnier. McCain’s been wanting to send Petraeus back to Iraq for ages and Petraeus isn’t having it.

94 Lidane  Jun 18, 2014 12:28:56pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

They hunted for dirt on her and found her signature on a 9/11 Truther page.

What are the odds those right wingers are also fans of Alex Jones?

95 piratedan  Jun 18, 2014 12:29:56pm

re: #85 Kragar

speaking out of turn in a Christian White Man’s world, in other words, I’ll tell you what your opinion is when I ask for it.

96 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 12:30:43pm

re: #92 wrenchwench

OMG!

**faints**

An anti-Muslim blogger also has a post about her “taqqiyah.” But I’m not going to link to that shit.

97 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 18, 2014 12:30:44pm

re: #93 Lidane

I Thought as much. Guess it’s time to roll out the old General Betrayus Meme again.

98 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2014 12:31:17pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

Stick to acting, James.

I’m beginning to think when he did Citizen Cohn for cable TV the evil spirit of the films title, character Roy Cohn, invaded his body and turned him into the political asshole he has become.

He’s been writing a list with names on it ever since. Cohn was Joseph McCarthy’s lawyer right-hand-man and as scummy as they come.

99 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 12:34:31pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

An anti-Muslim blogger also has a post about her “taqqiyah.” But I’m not going to link to that shit.

Can you give us a hint? Or, DM me. I’m curious.

100 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2014 12:34:51pm

re: #32 Kragar

Petraeus throws war party under the bus | Petraeus: U.S. Must Not Become the Shia Militia’s Air Force

But…but…but Johnny Mc Cain was calling for his advice on what to do, and…

101 Decatur Deb  Jun 18, 2014 12:35:20pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

One wingnut, who styles herself a “blue dog Democrat” despite having made it clear that she’s anything but, tried to compare the hijab to a nun’s habit or a yarmulke. Difference is that I doubt Texas Republicans would be giving dirty looks to a nun or following her into a bathroom to accuse her of being a terrorist.

You don’t read Freep much.

102 The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 18, 2014 12:35:42pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

They hunted for dirt on her and found her signature on a 9/11 Truther page.

As opposed to the totally rational folks that believe there’s a giant international Muslim conspiracy that has infiltrated the entire US government, and controls the President, the CIA, Grover Norquist, and Huma Abedin.

103 thecommodore  Jun 18, 2014 12:36:59pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

I added some thoughts to the post in an update…

Oh, and by the way, if you want to create that “Updated at…” divider, all you have to do is enter %%UPDATE%% in the post, followed by two blank lines.

I’ve always wondered how to do that. Thanks!

104 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 12:37:57pm

re: #99 Gus

Can you give us a hint? Or, DM me. I’m curious.

Well, OK then. It’s the standard by-the-numbers nutbag anti-Muslim rant.

105 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 12:38:49pm

Ugh. That post just reeks of hatred.

106 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 12:39:09pm

I’d dig up dirt on the panelists, but I don’t feel like posting their resumes right now

107 thecommodore  Jun 18, 2014 12:39:20pm

re: #28 Kragar

Is it okay if I don’t click and just assume its the usual nonsensical psychotic screed?

FIFY

108 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 12:39:30pm

re: #101 Decatur Deb

You don’t read Freep much.

I value what’s left of my sanity too much to spend more than a few minutes a day at FR.

109 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2014 12:40:39pm

A New Mexico county along the U.S.-Mexico border says it will stop holding people in jail without charge at the request of federal immigration authorities.

The Dona Ana County Detention Center recently announced it would no longer honor requests by Immigration and Customs Enforcement to detain people arrested on unrelated charges for 48 hours while agents investigated their immigration status.

The move comes after a federal appeals court ruled earlier this year that states and localities are not required to honor ICE “detainer” requests.

[…]

Advocates also announced the settlement of a lawsuit against Dona Ana County involving two sisters who were detained for two months under an ICE “48-hour detainer” without being charged with an immigration violation.

[…]

RTWT.

110 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2014 12:40:55pm

re: #44 blueraven

As John McCain gently weeps.

Do you have the rest of the lyrics for that variant?

111 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 12:41:31pm

re: #103 thecommodore

I’ve always wondered how to do that. Thanks!

You can also add the ‘Update at…’ line just by typing:

Update:

on a line by itself.

112 Ian G.  Jun 18, 2014 12:41:36pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

Some right wingers have now moved on to attacking Saba Ahmed’s character, which is absolutely, totally irrelevant to the issue, but that never stops them.

I just got told on Twitter that I should be condemning her as much as the panelists.

Does she have granite countertops in her home?

113 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2014 12:42:55pm

re: #49 Lidane

This is excellent news for John McCain!

Oh, wait…

Yep, ol’ Johnny is having a hard time getting people to back his bullshit. It’s always a good day though, when a general with David Petraeus’ background and rep gives a cold slap to another military man that has turned his back on that military in many ways.

114 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 12:43:26pm

re: #112 Ian G.

Does she have granite countertops in her home?

The blog post linked just above is doing exactly that. These people are sick.

115 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 12:43:36pm

re:
#109

Is this something that’s gonna make wingnuttia erupt in outrageous outrage?

116 Romantic Heretic  Jun 18, 2014 12:44:06pm

Um, Sunni Arabia and Shiite Iran are some how going to agree on what to do to establish a new Abbasid Caliphate? I assume that’s the one they want restored for that was the very first one.

More import, how are they going to agree which branch of Islam gets to rule there?

Go home, Allen. You’re drunk.

117 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 12:44:22pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Well, OK then. It’s the standard by-the-numbers nutbag anti-Muslim rant.

[Embedded content]

Wingnuts gotta nut.

118 Decatur Deb  Jun 18, 2014 12:44:31pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

I value what’s left of my sanity too much to spend more than a few minutes a day at FR.

I lurk there routinely on my ‘rounds’. It’s never hurt me hurt me hurt me hurtme herme …

119 jaunte  Jun 18, 2014 12:44:52pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

They’re probably fine with Alex Jones, though.

120 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 12:45:34pm

Oh, and by the way — that “Update at…” divider line can only be entered when you’re editing a page or a post promoted to the front page, not when you’re creating a new page.

121 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2014 12:48:05pm

re: #116 Romantic Heretic

Um, Sunni Arabia and Shiite Iran are some how going to agree on what to do to establish a new Abbasid Caliphate? I assume that’s the one they want restored for that was the very first one.

More import, how are they going to agree which branch of Islam gets to rule there?

Go home, Allen. You’re drunk.

The military really needs to do a better job promoting officers if one so mind-boggling stupid and crazy can make it to Lieutenant Colonel.

122 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 12:48:55pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Well, OK then. It’s the standard by-the-numbers nutbag anti-Muslim rant.

[Embedded content]

The amount of crazy embodied in that panel far outweighs one relatively anonymous person who may happen to be a 9/11 truther.

123 b.d.  Jun 18, 2014 12:49:00pm

Chile 2 - Spain 0
Near half time.

Unreal.

124 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2014 12:49:41pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

Oh, and by the way — that “Update at…” divider line can only be entered when you’re editing a page or a post promoted to the front page, not when you’re creating a new page.

Pfff. You’re no fun.

125 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2014 12:50:01pm

re: #123 b.d.

Chile 2 - Spain 0
Near half time.

Unreal.

126 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2014 12:51:48pm

re: #65 Gus

Thanks.

You’ve been on fire the last few weeks Gus. Great job.

I’ve said it before, Little Green Footballs is the best place to filter the media and political events going on. Catch a snippet here before wading into the slimy intertubes. It’s like having a hazmat suit to protect you from nasty political coverage that could cause undue harm.

And congrats for Charles hitting 9,000 members. It is not surprising, in fact there should be more, and hopefully there will be.

127 Justanotherhuman  Jun 18, 2014 12:54:16pm

I’m so sick of all this. People attacking others for who they are, for their religion (or not), their politics, their race, their hair color—whatever else they can cook up.

I still find it ironic that reporters like Byers find it so hard to keep their piehole shut when prodded by an organization to do a hit job on another journalist. Byers “feelings” have nothing to do with anything. Milbank wrote a column about a young woman being attacked for having the audacity to be a Muslim at a rightwing gathering that touts itself as “legitimate”.

Most of us know that Heritage lost its cred long ago. I suppose Byers never got the memo?

There was something that drew this young woman to the Republican Party; I just hope she understands that they are no longer the party she thinks they are, but have devolved into a racist, reactionary organization that will never accept her.

When you base your politics on religion, you, and everyone else, is bound to get the raw end of the deal.

128 leftynyc  Jun 18, 2014 12:54:44pm

Not too often I’m rendered completely speechless but this has done it:

nationalmemo.com

129 CuriousLurker  Jun 18, 2014 12:55:36pm

OT: I think I smell a lawsuit in this town’s near future…

Arkansas town bans pagan temple after finding out it’s not Christian: Your ‘God isn’t my God’

The high priest of an Arkansas temple said that the city of Beebe ordered him to close after finding out that his religion was pagan, not Christian.

High Priest Bertram Dahl told KARK that Beebe Mayor Mike Robertson had initially supported his plans to open a Seekers temple and spiritual good shop in the garage behind his home.

“When they knew we were going to open a church, it wasn’t an issue,” he explained. “We explained to [the mayor] the house had a building that we could open the church in, and he had no problem.”

But Dahl said that the city’s attitude changed after learning that members of the temple were pagan.

“We were basically given a cease and desist you know — shut down. We hadn’t even unpacked. We aren’t even open — how are we getting this,” Dahl asked. […]

rawstory.com

Clearly, this guy doesn’t understand the First Amendment, otherwise he wouldn’t be trying to persecute Christians by attempting to make them provide him with permits for something that goes against their beliefs. //

If anyone wants to Page this, please do as I don’t have time right now.

130 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2014 12:56:09pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

Some right wingers have now moved on to attacking Saba Ahmed’s character, which is absolutely, totally irrelevant to the issue, but that never stops them.

I just got told on Twitter that I should be condemning her as much as the panelists.

Ah, the old safety in numbers of haters thing. We hate therefore everyone should hate like us.

131 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 12:57:13pm

re:
#128

This might break the Internet.

132 Decatur Deb  Jun 18, 2014 12:59:52pm

re: #129 CuriousLurker

OT: I think I smell a lawsuit in this town’s near future…

…snip.

Or a plague of scorpions.

133 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2014 1:00:15pm

re: #131 Bulworth

re:
#128

This might break the Internet.

Nope. If you read it there’s a veneer of “don’t blame Obama” but underneath it is the basic “Obama is killing America” crap. And he ends with saying that Obama needs to emulate Reagan and publicly apologize to America for what his administration has done. Which given the article (and its shallowness) is essentially equating Obama’s recent actions with Iran-Contra.

134 leftynyc  Jun 18, 2014 1:00:23pm

re: #131 Bulworth

I should have explained what it was about. It’s the editor of Newsmax DEFENDING Pres Obama. I’m all farclempted.

135 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2014 1:00:57pm

re: #134 leftynyc

I should have explained what it was about. It’s the editor of Newsmax DEFENDING Pres Obama. I’m all farclempted.

Except he’s not really defending Obama.

136 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 1:01:12pm
137 leftynyc  Jun 18, 2014 1:01:42pm

re: #133 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m waiting for his loyal fan base to throw him under the bus for daring to compare him to their Saint Ronnie. I really found it to be an unbelievable column.

138 leftynyc  Jun 18, 2014 1:02:11pm

re: #135 Feline Fearless Leader

Disagree - he’s actually doing worse than that - he’s comparing him to Reagan.

139 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2014 1:02:31pm

re: #117 Gus

Wingnuts gotta nut.

And always winging it as they go.

And because of that, many times they embarrass themselves as they flap their jaws with their pants down around their knees.

140 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2014 1:03:22pm

re: #128 leftynyc

Not too often I’m rendered completely speechless but this has done it:

nationalmemo.com

Had to go Newsmax’s website and actually see their copy of the article to make sure that The National Memo wasn’t satire.

141 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 18, 2014 1:03:44pm

Hey, these marble countertops aren’t going to inspect themselves!

142 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2014 1:04:51pm

re: #122 Gus

The amount of crazy embodied in that panel far outweighs one relatively anonymous person who may happen to be a 9/11 truther.

She’s not anonie-mouse any longer buster! Don’t chu fergit it!!!

The righteous light of the right has exposed another one. Praise bee to Jee-bus.

: )

143 lawhawk  Jun 18, 2014 1:05:00pm

Accurate because it’s true (and the right wing could get behind this too, for all the wrong reasons).

144 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2014 1:05:23pm

re: #141 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Hey, these marble countertops aren’t going to inspect themselves!

And I bet if they check with a Geiger counter they will have higher than the normal count of background radiation.
///

145 leftynyc  Jun 18, 2014 1:05:52pm

re: #140 Timothy Watson

LOL - you’re right. I’m too trusting but it is real.

146 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2014 1:08:40pm

re: #127 Justanotherhuman

I’m so sick of all this. People attacking others for who they are, for their religion (or not), their politics, their race, their hair color—whatever else they can cook up.

I still find it ironic that reporters like Byers find it so hard to keep their piehole shut when prodded by an organization to do a hit job on another journalist. Byers “feelings” have nothing to do with anything. Milbank wrote a column about a young woman being attacked for having the audacity to be a Muslim at a rightwing gathering that touts itself as “legitimate”.

Most of us know that Heritage lost its cred long ago. I suppose Byers never got the memo?

There was something that drew this young woman to the Republican Party; I just hope she understands that they are no longer the party she thinks they are, but have devolved into a racist, reactionary organization that will never accept her.

When you base your politics on religion, you, and everyone else, is bound to get the raw end of the deal.

Sadly…we’ve become a nation of terrible two-year-olds having a brat attack at the kid down the streets birthday party for all to see. It is not pretty. And, it looks like it will take a big ol’ swat of some kind for them to learn to grow out of it.

147 leftynyc  Jun 18, 2014 1:08:45pm

I guess it’s my day to find whacked out stories. I wish I were a better person and could feel bad for this schmuck but I readily admit I laughed my ass off.

rawstory.com

148 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 18, 2014 1:12:56pm

re: #147 leftynyc

I guess it’s my day to find whacked out stories. I wish I were a better person and could feel bad for this schmuck but I readily admit I laughed my ass off.

rawstory.com

It’s not all shits and giggles on the gun front:

rawstory.com

149 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2014 1:13:14pm

re: #147 leftynyc

I guess it’s my day to find whacked out stories. I wish I were a better person and could feel bad for this schmuck but I readily admit I laughed my ass off.

rawstory.com

“This is my pistol. This is my gun. This is for…BANG…AHHHHHH!”
///

150 Decatur Deb  Jun 18, 2014 1:14:35pm

Florida Man/Prepper Man convergence:

wtsp.com

(This one ends well—he turned himself in today.)

151 Decatur Deb  Jun 18, 2014 1:17:11pm

re: #147 leftynyc

I guess it’s my day to find whacked out stories. I wish I were a better person and could feel bad for this schmuck but I readily admit I laughed my ass off.

rawstory.com

Can you still call him a schmuck?

152 Mattand  Jun 18, 2014 1:20:47pm

re: #147 leftynyc

I guess it’s my day to find whacked out stories. I wish I were a better person and could feel bad for this schmuck but I readily admit I laughed my ass off.

rawstory.com

The general view is the bigger the gun, the smaller the unit.

This guy is probably going to start walking around with a cannon on a leash.

153 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 1:22:49pm
154 Mattand  Jun 18, 2014 1:23:43pm

re: #148 Rev_Arthur_Belling

It’s not all shits and giggles on the gun front:

rawstory.com

As usual, the Onion gets it.

155 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 1:25:11pm

re: #154 Mattand

As usual, the Onion gets it.

26: The number of other amendments the Constitution has. Oh so true.

156 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 1:25:32pm

re: #153 Gus

157 leftynyc  Jun 18, 2014 1:26:13pm

re: #151 Decatur Deb

Okay - that made me laugh even harder. I’m a terrible person.

158 Decatur Deb  Jun 18, 2014 1:27:19pm

re: #153 Gus

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Gas it, arm it, and have it ready to fly at dawn, sergeant.

159 Romantic Heretic  Jun 18, 2014 1:28:02pm

re: #121 Timothy Watson

The military really needs to do a better job promoting officers if one so mind-boggling stupid and crazy can make it to Lieutenant Colonel.

They probably thought that his insane bloodthirstiness would be handy in a combat zone, and that they’d be able to keep it under control.

But insane people are good at slipping the leash because keeping an eye on them 24/7 is difficult.

160 leftynyc  Jun 18, 2014 1:30:06pm

re: #148 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Is it my imagination or are these types of stories getting to be pretty common? Like almost daily. If they were just shooting themselves, I sincerely wouldn’t care but now a child is going to grow up without a father and I’m thinking the shooter may not even be punished if he has other gun nuts on the jury..it only takes one.

161 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 1:30:19pm
162 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 1:30:48pm

re: #158 Decatur Deb

Gas it, arm it, and have it ready to fly at dawn, sergeant.

Must be the same planes the rebels found in Battlefield Earth.

163 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2014 1:30:53pm

re: #159 Romantic Heretic

They probably thought that his insane bloodthirstiness would be handy in a combat zone, and that they’d be able to keep it under control.

But insane people are good at slipping the leash because keeping an eye on them 24/7 is difficult.

Not insane. But sort of the same concept.

freefall.purrsia.com

164 Ian G.  Jun 18, 2014 1:31:15pm

re: #153 Gus

They captured a junkyard where we scrapped what was left of Saddam Hussein’s air force?

165 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 18, 2014 1:35:01pm

re: #160 leftynyc

Is it my imagination or are these types of stories getting to be pretty common? Like almost daily. If they were just shooting themselves, I sincerely wouldn’t care but now a child is going to grow up without a father and I’m thinking the shooter may not even be punished if he has other gun nuts on the jury..it only takes one.

It’s so random that it’s just sad. There was a lot of gun safety lapses according to the story. The fact that this father was at a homecoming for a newborn … well, I can’t put into words how fucked up this is.

166 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2014 1:35:25pm

re: #164 Ian G.

They captured a junkyard where we scrapped what was left of Saddam Hussein’s air force?

Yeah, those planes look like they were rode hard and put away wet.

167 Ian G.  Jun 18, 2014 1:35:43pm

re: #128 leftynyc

Not too often I’m rendered completely speechless but this has done it:

nationalmemo.com

There was an article in Business Week not too long ago about Ruddy. To make a long story short, he’s actually a pretty moderate conservative, but learned that he can make a killing by selling far-right insanity (and vitamin supplements) to the true believers. He’s more of a con artist than a true believer, which I suspect is the case with much of the opinion leaders in the wingnut industrial complex. They just want to get gold scams, MLMs, and vitamin supplements to buy ads.

168 dog philosopher  Jun 18, 2014 1:36:21pm

Congressional leaders leave White House after meeting with President Obama on Iraq; no one spoke to reporters

169 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 1:36:37pm
170 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2014 1:36:46pm

Well, you just know all of Saddam’s weaponry was carted off to Syria to hide it from Dickless Cheney and Donnie Rumsfeld. And now it’s all coming back to bite us.

“We was right ALL ALONG!!!”

171 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 1:36:54pm
172 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 1:38:06pm

re: #161 Kragar

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The market’s headed for a crash any day now! It’ll correct itself and all that progress will be revealed as an illusion! Just like it did for Bush…er, Reagan…er…

173 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2014 1:38:41pm

re: #169 Gus

To bash Hillary on #Benghazi, Fox News brings on…Terry Bradshaw?

Bradshaw is a world famous expert on head injuries. Plus, FOX got him cheap.

/

174 Lidane  Jun 18, 2014 1:38:48pm

Stupidity comes to mind:

175 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 1:39:35pm
176 dog philosopher  Jun 18, 2014 1:39:45pm

Top US military official: not enough intelligence to launch Iraq air strikes

Yet Dempsey and Hagel excoriated the government of Nouri al-Maliki during the Senate hearing, at times sounding like it was more to blame than Isis for Iraq’s imperiled future.

Both lowered expectations about what benefits US can actually bring to Iraq, and sharply rebuked suggestions that the US is responsible for the crisis. Neither even remotely endorsed returning to military action in Iraq, from the air or otherwise, a significant omission from two of Obama’s most important defense officials.

Asked if the consideration of a military response comes too late to stop Isis, Dempsey said: “It’s only late if you suggest we could have stopped it. … There is very little that could have been done to overcome the degree to which the government of Iraq has failed its people. That is what has caused this problem.”

Dempsey, saying he was speaking as an Iraq veteran, expressed “bitter disappointment” with what he called a failed Iraqi government.

177 Lidane  Jun 18, 2014 1:40:21pm

re: #123 b.d.

Chile 2 - Spain 0
Near half time.

Unreal.

WTF Espana? Guess that shellacking by the Dutch really did a number on their confidence.

178 Lidane  Jun 18, 2014 1:41:57pm
179 Archangelus  Jun 18, 2014 1:43:11pm

re: #177 Lidane

[Embedded content]

WTF Espana? Guess that shellacking by the Dutch really did a number on their confidence.

I think that the whole team - and with it the country - was and remains in a state of total shock. And after today, judging by the current game, it won’t be receding anytime soon…

180 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2014 1:44:45pm

re: #167 Ian G.

There was an article in Business Week not too long ago about Ruddy. To make a long story short, he’s actually a pretty moderate conservative, but learned that he can make a killing by selling far-right insanity (and vitamin supplements) to the true believers. He’s more of a con artist than a true believer, which I suspect is the case with much of the opinion leaders in the wingnut industrial complex. They just want to get gold scams, MLMs, and vitamin supplements to buy ads.

A lot of the rhetoric under the Iraq stuff was same-old same-old though. Obama’s recession among others. And no mention that the removal of US troops was following an agreed to SOFA from before his administration.

Plus the fact that Iran-Contra was blatantly illegal and anything the current administration has done pales compared to it. Yes, he pointed out that there are skeletons in the GOP closet, but all of it is still a pretty thin layer or exception over what is still essentially a “blame everything on Obama” agenda.

181 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 1:45:23pm

re:
#173

Was Stacey Dash unavailable?

182 iossarian  Jun 18, 2014 1:45:29pm

OK, what’s the granite/marble countertop meme about?

183 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2014 1:45:56pm

Best fire name of the season so far: DeHose.

184 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 1:46:15pm
185 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 18, 2014 1:47:19pm

re: #182 iossarian

OK, what’s the granite/marble countertop meme about?

en.wikipedia.org

Kid who said something about health insurance.

186 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 1:49:55pm
187 iossarian  Jun 18, 2014 1:50:04pm

re: #185 Rev_Arthur_Belling

en.wikipedia.org

Kid who said something about health insurance.

Thank you!

188 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 1:50:47pm
189 Lidane  Jun 18, 2014 1:51:11pm

re: #179 Archangelus

I think that the whole team - and with it the country - was and remains in a state of total shock. And after today, judging by the current game, it won’t be receding anytime soon…

Yeah, they’re going to be reeling for a while, I think. OTOH, there’s this:

190 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 1:51:46pm

re:
#185

Following his radio address, the Frost family became a target for criticism from the right, including from media personalities Michelle Malkin,[7] the blogs of the magazines National Review[8] and Weekly Standard,[9] and Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner.[10] Time magazine wrote that Graeme Frost had been swiftboated[11] and that the blogger “Icwhatudo” began the criticism in a post on the website Free Republic:

“One has to wonder that if time and money can be found to remodel a home, send kids to exclusive private schools, purchase commercial property and run your own business… maybe money can be found for other things,” the blogger wrote. “Maybe Dad should drop his woodworking hobby and get a real job that offers health insurance rather than making people like me (also with 4 kids in a 600sf smaller house and tuition $16,000 less per kid and no commercial property ownership) pay for it in my taxes.”

At some point in the two minute hate launched at the Frost family by the Twitchy team something was or might have been said about what sort of counter tops the family had.

Just another bright shiny day in wingnuttia land.

191 iossarian  Jun 18, 2014 1:52:29pm

re: #189 Lidane

Yeah, they’re going to be reeling for a while, I think. OTOH, there’s this:

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Except for odd-numbered years of course.

192 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 1:53:05pm

Chuck Todd: Whatever is going on in the World Cup just illustrates perfectly that President Obama is done, very unpopular.

/

193 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2014 1:53:44pm

re: #190 Bulworth

re:
#185

At some point in the two minute hate launched at the Frost family by the Twitchy team something was or might have been said about what sort of counter tops the family had.

Just another bright shiny day in wingnuttia land.

IIRC, it was Michelle Malkin.

194 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 18, 2014 1:54:05pm

re: #190 Bulworth

re:
#185

At some point in the two minute hate launched at the Frost family by the Twitchy team something was or might have been said about what sort of counter tops the family had.

Just another bright shiny day in wingnuttia land.

Which sorta pisses me off thinking about Dark_Falcon’s defense of Malkin. She started the counter-top inspections.

195 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 1:54:07pm

Chuck Todd: Hillary’s book is failing which means she’s totally done.

//

196 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 1:54:21pm
197 Archangelus  Jun 18, 2014 1:56:56pm

And they’re out! Game over, Chile wins the game and Spain, the defending champion, is heading home.. unbelievable..

198 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 1:57:46pm

re: #193 Feline Fearless Leader

IIRC, it was Michelle Malkin.

Yeah I think it was. That and her defense of the internment of the Japanese Americans during WWII was my introduction to her. She’s truly a nasty individual.

199 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2014 1:57:50pm
200 Justanotherhuman  Jun 18, 2014 1:58:07pm

Two things: Flyovers in Iraq and Republicans can’t say they weren’t consulted.

On Capitol Hill, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said congressional leaders had a ‘good discussion’ with President Obama as he briefed them on the situation in Iraq - @markknoller
see original on twitter.com

23m
US now using F-18s for surveillance flights over Iraq as part of a 24-hour surveillance mission, defense official tells NBC News - @NBCNightlyNews
see original on twitter.com

201 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 1:58:12pm

re: #197 Archangelus

And they’re out! Game over, Chile wins the game and Spain, the defending champion, is heading home.. unbelievable..

Damn Spain’s going to be a sad place when I’m there next month.

202 Bulworth  Jun 18, 2014 1:58:23pm

re:
#185

That there is a Wikipedia entry based on this kid and his family is why we can’t ever have nice things.

So what did we learn from this episode?

CIA Superior: What did we learn, Palmer?

CIA Officer: I don’t know, sir.

CIA Superior: I don’t fuckin’ know either. I guess we learned not to do it again.

CIA Officer: Yes, sir.

CIA Superior: I’m fucked if I know what we did.

CIA Officer: Yes, sir, it’s, uh, hard to say

CIA Superior: Jesus Fucking Christ.

203 Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2014 1:59:10pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Damn Spain’s going to be a sad place when I’m there next month.

Sounds like it. Spain’s going to be shocked and depressed over this.

204 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 1:59:36pm

That kid is why i laugh when conservatives try to claim to be more civil and cry about “liberal intimidation.” Yeah tell that to the kid who you harassed because you didn’t like his stance on SCHIP.

205 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2014 1:59:37pm

re: #197 Archangelus

And they’re out! Game over, Chile wins the game and Spain, the defending champion, is heading home.. unbelievable..

Whoa. The Cup is for the taking.

206 Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2014 2:00:27pm
207 Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2014 2:01:28pm

re: #195 Bulworth

Chuck Todd: Hillary’s book is failing which means she’s totally done.

//

New York Rangers and Miami Heat didn’t win their respective Finals….which means they are totally done.

208 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 2:02:03pm

I think Chuck’s goatee is totally done.

209 Patricia Kayden  Jun 18, 2014 2:02:13pm

re: #129 CuriousLurker

Sounds like a lawsuit in the making.

210 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 2:02:21pm

Really though sad what passes fora reporter these days.

211 Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2014 2:04:22pm

re: #210 HappyWarrior

Really though sad what passes fora reporter these days.

This is what happens with you have entire network (i.e., Fox “News”) dedicated to activism for one political party/ideology. The downstream effects are tremendous.

212 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 2:04:27pm

wonkette.com
Okay, I’ve never been a huge Hillary fan but this is awesome.

213 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 2:04:35pm
214 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 2:04:39pm

re: #211 Dr. Matt

This is what happens with you have entire network (i.e., Fox “News) dedicated to activism for one political party/ideology. The downstream effects are tremendous.

Yep.

215 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2014 2:04:56pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

I think Chuck’s goatee is totally done.

But the ACORN Squirrel is making a comeback. (God knows why.)

216 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 2:05:43pm

re: #215 Feline Fearless Leader

But the ACORN Squirrel is making a comeback. (God knows why.)

Are they trying to repeal funding for ACORN again?

217 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 2:05:53pm
218 iossarian  Jun 18, 2014 2:06:23pm

Redstate has a thread going to rename the Washington Racist Slurs, with further encouragement that:

since this is RedState, you may suspend all concerns about the thought police judging you a racist, homophobe, sexist, xenophobe, Christophobe or any other imaginary phobe.

Which, I mean, do you really want to be flagging the fact that your comment threads are places where people should feel free to be as racist as they like?

Anyway, the results are actually slightly encouraging for those of us with a vested interest in humanity - not much in the way of obvious freakery. But I do have to pull this one out, in response to some funny guy suggesting the “Washington Savages”:

Like that one. Has the combo of good name & the thumb in the eye of still being considered a racist slur against native americans.

Yeah, good one!

219 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2014 2:06:47pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Are they trying to repeal funding for ACORN again?

Just re-purposing it to attack HRC.

220 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 2:07:11pm
221 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 18, 2014 2:07:15pm

See what I did here?

222 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 2:07:32pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

wonkette.com
Okay, I’ve never been a huge Hillary fan but this is awesome.

I never really saw myself voting for Hillary, but if it keeps a Republican out of office, I’ll do it.

223 Justanotherhuman  Jun 18, 2014 2:07:43pm

Good grief, GG. You really are an asshole, in every possible way.

224 EPR-radar  Jun 18, 2014 2:07:47pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

With bayonets on the rifles for added insanity value. This should be proposed to the gun nuts as a good idea for them to get into.

225 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 2:08:18pm

re: #222 Kragar

I never really saw myself voting for Hillary, but if it keeps a Republican out of office, I’ll do it.

Gladly here too especially knowing her opponent’s likely to be a nutter *pun intended* like Cruz or Paul.

226 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 18, 2014 2:08:42pm

re: #223 Justanotherhuman

Good grief, GG. You really are an asshole, in every possible way.

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I thought Assange was under criminal investigation for raping a person.

227 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 2:08:44pm

re: #219 Feline Fearless Leader

Just re-purposing it to attack HRC.

I’m out of the loop. What’s Hillary gotta do with their ACORN rage?

228 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2014 2:08:45pm
229 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 2:09:04pm
230 Patricia Kayden  Jun 18, 2014 2:09:05pm

Is Cheney desperate for permanent war in Iraq and Afghanistan because he’s making $$$ off his investments in defense contracts (Haliburton)? He must be losing $$$ because of President Obama’s decision to end these wars. Thus his nonsensical whining about President Obama being “weak” on foreign policy. Yet, under President Obama, we’ve been pretty safe versus under President Bush, the US suffering over 3000 deaths on American soil on 9/11.

I hope President Obama continues his policy of winding down the Afghanistan war and doesn’t restart the war in Iraq. Let the Conservatives whine. They and their kids can go over there and fight.

231 GeneJockey  Jun 18, 2014 2:09:29pm

re: #220 Gus

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You’re either with us, or you’re without us.

232 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 2:09:40pm

re: #229 Gus

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Well being honest would have been a starter but the whole Al Queda and Saddam were bffs trope that your admin tried to sell…………

233 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 2:11:28pm

re: #230 Patricia Kayden

Is Cheney desperate for permanent war in Iraq and Afghanistan because he’s making $$$ off his investments in defense contracts (Haliburton)? He must be losing $$$ because of President Obama’s decision to end these wars. Thus his nonsensical whining about President Obama being “weak” on foreign policy. Yet, under President Obama, we’ve been pretty safe versus under President Bush, the US suffering over 3000 deaths on American soil on 9/11.

I hope President Obama continues his policy of winding down the Afghanistan war and doesn’t restart the war in Iraq. Let the Conservatives whine. They and their kids can go over there and fight.

I think it’s honestly sheer jealously knowing that Obama is more effective against terrorism than his administration was. Obama has proved that much of what his administration claimed to be effective was not too.

234 EPR-radar  Jun 18, 2014 2:12:42pm

re: #232 HappyWarrior

Well being honest would have been a starter but the whole Al Queda and Saddam were bffs trope that your admin tried to sell…………

What I remember vividly about that era was that the Bushies publicly tried out virtually every conceivable excuse for war in Iraq before converging on the WMD hoax.

235 GeneJockey  Jun 18, 2014 2:12:51pm

re: #230 Patricia Kayden

Is Cheney desperate for permanent war in Iraq and Afghanistan because he’s making $$$ off his investments in defense contracts (Haliburton)? He must be losing $$$ because of President Obama’s decision to end these wars. Thus his nonsensical whining about President Obama being “weak” on foreign policy. Yet, under President Obama, we’ve been pretty safe versus under President Bush, the US suffering over 3000 deaths on American soil on 9/11.

I hope President Obama continues his policy of winding down the Afghanistan war and doesn’t restart the war in Iraq. Let the Conservatives whine. They and their kids can go over there and fight.

I think before The Cheneys get to talk on any pundit show, they should be forced to sit in their seats silent while they play a 5 minute montage of Dick’s Biggest Boners ending with an echoing “We’ll be greeted as liberators”

236 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2014 2:13:05pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

I think it’s honestly sheer jealously knowing that Obama is more effective against terrorism than his administration was. Obama has proved that much of what his administration claimed to be effective was not too.

Also I expect Cheney has enough money at this point and is old enough that he is starting to look at what his legacy is going to be in the history books.

237 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 2:13:35pm

re: #234 EPR-radar

What I remember vividly about that era was that the Bushies publicly tried out virtually every conceivable excuse for war in Iraq before converging on the WMD hoax.

Yep. The biggie was trying Iraq to 9/11.

238 EPR-radar  Jun 18, 2014 2:14:19pm

re: #236 Feline Fearless Leader

Also I expect Cheney has enough money at this point and is old enough that he is starting to look at what his legacy is going to be in the history books.

A thoroughly corrupt VP for one of the worst presidents of the twentieth century.

Some would call that a good start, I suppose.

239 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 2:14:40pm

re: #236 Feline Fearless Leader

Also I expect Cheney has enough money at this point and is old enough that he is starting to look at what his legacy is going to be in the history books.

Yeah, I think it’s that and his legacy more so than checkbook that he’s worried about when he attacks Obama since he was attacking Obama early on. I think perhaps Bush is too diplomatic to engage in these kind of attacks or he realizes that Cheney and some of the others really had fucked up policies.

240 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 2:15:08pm

re: #238 EPR-radar

A thoroughly corrupt VP for one of the worst presidents of the twentieth century.

Some would call that a good start, I suppose.

“Miss me yet” Yeah like I miss the cyst I had on my back last spring.

241 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2014 2:15:56pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Yep. The biggie was trying Iraq to 9/11.

The kicker was that due to previous performances no one was going to believe anything that Saddam said regarding having WMDs. And his regime was evil enough and weak enough that it could be toppled on the cheap. (Note that there was never any serious discussion of attacking any other part of the Axis of Evil. It was obvious that there wasn’t enough political capital to sell that job.)

242 iossarian  Jun 18, 2014 2:16:59pm

re: #238 EPR-radar

A thoroughly corrupt VP for one of the worst presidents of the twentieth century.

Some would call that a good start, I suppose.

I think you’ve nailed it. It works well as a footnote, too.

243 Patricia Kayden  Jun 18, 2014 2:17:39pm

re: #195 Bulworth

Chuck Todd: Hillary’s book is failing which means she’s totally done.

//

When Bush’s poll numbers tanked did Todd declare that his presidency was finished? President Obama just signed an Executive Order re discrimination against gays and I’m sure he’ll continue to sign other significant EOs during the remainder of his presidency.

Silly Todd.

244 jaunte  Jun 18, 2014 2:18:36pm

re: #220 Gus

You’re either with us or you’re with the terrorists.

Agree with me or I’m justified in killing you.

245 Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2014 2:19:01pm

WW - of course they are.

246 Justanotherhuman  Jun 18, 2014 2:19:44pm

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I think it’s that and his legacy more so than checkbook that he’s worried about when he attacks Obama since he was attacking Obama early on. I think perhaps Bush is too diplomatic to engage in these kind of attacks or he realizes that Cheney and some of the others really had fucked up policies.

Harry Reid told it like it is.

“Departing from Carney’s stone-faced approach, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) took to the Senate floor to lambaste the former vice president for doling out advice about a costly conflict that many believe was a misguided effort engineered by the Bush administration.

“If there’s one thing this country does not need, is that we should be taking advice from Dick Cheney on wars,” Reid said. “Being on the wrong side of Dick Cheney is being on the right side of history. To the architects of the Iraq War who are now so eager to offer their expert analysis, I say, Mr. President, thanks, but no thanks. Unfortunately, we have already tried it your way and it was the biggest foreign policy blunder in the history of the country.”

huffingtonpost.com

247 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 2:19:56pm

re: #241 Feline Fearless Leader

The kicker was that due to previous performances no one was going to believe anything that Saddam said regarding having WMDs. And his regime was evil enough and weak enough that it could be toppled on the cheap. (Note that there was never any serious discussion of attacking any other part of the Axis of Evil. It was obvious that there wasn’t enough political capital to sell that job.)

True points. What still angers me is how they completely dismissed any critics of their actions. Not that Chirac and Schroder were saints by any means but it still irks me how Rumsfeld mocked their nations as “Old Europe.” And then Bush ignoring many of his father’s key advisers who were opposed too.

248 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2014 2:20:07pm

re: #245 Stanley Sea

WW - of course they are.

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Squee!

249 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 2:20:27pm

re: #246 Justanotherhuman

Harry Reid told it like it is.

“Departing from Carney’s stone-faced approach, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) took to the Senate floor to lambaste the former vice president for doling out advice about a costly conflict that many believe was a misguided effort engineered by the Bush administration.

“If there’s one thing this country does not need, is that we should be taking advice from Dick Cheney on wars,” Reid said. “Being on the wrong side of Dick Cheney is being on the right side of history. To the architects of the Iraq War who are now so eager to offer their expert analysis, I say, Mr. President, thanks, but no thanks. Unfortunately, we have already tried it your way and it was the biggest foreign policy blunder in the history of the country.”

huffingtonpost.com

I really do love Harry Reid some times.

250 EPR-radar  Jun 18, 2014 2:23:28pm

re: #241 Feline Fearless Leader

The kicker was that due to previous performances no one was going to believe anything that Saddam said regarding having WMDs. And his regime was evil enough and weak enough that it could be toppled on the cheap. (Note that there was never any serious discussion of attacking any other part of the Axis of Evil. It was obvious that there wasn’t enough political capital to sell that job.)

At the time, I was close to neutral on the Iraq war —- Saddam was odious, the sections regime and no-fly zones weren’t working, and his playing footsie with various terrorists didn’t sit well with me post 9/11, even though there was no direct connection between Iraq and 9/11.

So a nation building mission with removal of Saddam as one small part of the larger plan was something I could have supported. Instead there was endless and varied propaganda to sell the war on specious grounds, followed by the absolute incompetence in execution one expects from aggressively stupid people like the Bushies.

251 De Kolta Chair  Jun 18, 2014 2:34:26pm

¡Ay, caramba! Spain loses and Juan Carlos abdicates on the same day!


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