Video: A Glorious Rant by Rachel Maddow on Media Coverage of Benghazi and Iraq

“It’s all too neat”
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Here’s an excellent report by Rachel Maddow on right wing media’s coverage of the capture of the main suspect in the Benghazi attacks, focusing on the king of all wingnut sites, Drudge Report — and segueing into a look at how the media is pushing so many pundits who were disastrously wrong about Iraq as “experts” once again.

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1 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 4:50:49pm

Chuck Todd being a dick again.

2 nsmith25  Jun 18, 2014 4:51:58pm

Here is where that pic of Todd giving the finger on live TV should be shot back at him over 9000 times.

3 gwangung  Jun 18, 2014 4:52:16pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Chuck Todd being a dick again.

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Chuck, ratings are telling you, the media, your way is over.

4 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 4:53:18pm

High chicken prices are a distraction from Benghazi

5 Nines All The Times  Jun 18, 2014 4:55:01pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Chuck Todd never stopped being a dick.

6 b.d.  Jun 18, 2014 4:55:12pm

Good work by Rachel, hope someone who typically isn’t exposed to her gets to see this.

btw, what a contrast between Rachel Maddow and Chuck Todd.

7 nsmith25  Jun 18, 2014 4:56:13pm

Chuck Todd’s favorite grooming tool.

Chuck Todd in the Morning

8 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 18, 2014 4:56:36pm

re: #4 Kragar

High chicken prices are a distraction from Benghazi

I bought wings yesterday at 2.24 a pound, and there was boneless skinless breasts for 1.89. Obama’s Fault.

RBS

9 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 4:57:20pm

An observation: All three executions took place in the former CSA. All who were executed were black men.

10 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 4:59:23pm

re: #8 RealityBasedSteve

I bought wings yesterday at 2.24 a pound, and there was boneless skinless breasts for 1.89. Obama’s Fault.

RBS

$1.79 a pound here for the boneless breasts, and we bought full chickens for $.88/lb last week

11 Nines All The Times  Jun 18, 2014 4:59:43pm

re: #8 RealityBasedSteve

Wings and blue point crabs. Two poor boy meals that went through the roof. Dozen jumbo Blues and two quarts of beer? I’m showing my age.

12 Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2014 4:59:58pm

Oh by the way

13 b.d.  Jun 18, 2014 5:00:43pm

re: #8 RealityBasedSteve

I bought wings yesterday at 2.24 a pound, and there was boneless skinless breasts for 1.89. Obama’s Fault.

RBS

And fajita meat is more expensive than round steak. Go figure?

14 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 5:00:53pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Chuck Todd being a dick again.

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Funny, try as I might, I can’t remember Todd making a similar announcement when Bush’s poll numbers dipped below 30%.

15 b.d.  Jun 18, 2014 5:02:04pm

re: #12 Stanley Sea

Oh by the way

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Heh, still not ready to make nice

16 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 5:02:59pm
17 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 5:04:37pm
18 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 5:05:34pm

re: #17 Kragar

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I wonder if Bryan realizes that, under US law as passed by Republicans, he could be designated an “enemy combatant” despite being an American?

19 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 18, 2014 5:07:43pm

re: #11 nines09

Wings and blue point crabs. Two poor boy meals that went through the roof. Dozen jumbo Blues and two quarts of beer? I’m showing my age.

Along with spare ribs. Another ‘cheap’ cut that can now be very high. I tend to stock up when the price is low, do a ‘St. Louis Trim’ on them, and then vac.bag and freeze for later.

Funny thing is that I’ve got an older cookbook (probably early 40’s) that refer to veal as being a very inexpensive meat, and a great way to stretch your budget. I’d really have to stretch my budget to get veal, but I wouldn’t because I don’t approve of how it’s raised.

20 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 5:08:35pm

HERP DERP

21 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 5:09:30pm

re: #20 teleskiguy

HERP DERP

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Steve, if he was a “Kim Jong POTUS,” your ass would be in a concentration camp, if not the first against the wall. So can the hyperbole.

22 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2014 5:10:18pm

Some Lizards were asking for an Alfred E, Jindal image in the last thread. I didn’t get this slapped together quick enough to make that one…so Imma gonna park this here.

It is amazing how Alfred E. Bob E. is! I used his head and bent it a bit to Alfred shape it a bit and didn’t use anything else Alfred E. but the body/neck and the hair. And even the hair isn’t messed with all that much to fit Jindal’s head.

It was fun. I needed to keep up with Gus on creepy Aflred Es!

Everyone is MAD about Alfred E. Jindal. Don’t you worry!

23 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 5:10:51pm

re: #20 teleskiguy

HERP DERP

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24 Nines All The Times  Jun 18, 2014 5:11:43pm

re: #19 RealityBasedSteve

Along with spare ribs. Another ‘cheap’ cut that can now be very high. I tend to stock up when the price is low, do a ‘St. Louis Trim’ on them, and then vac.bag and freeze for later.

Funny thing is that I’ve got an older cookbook (probably early 40’s) that refer to veal as being a very inexpensive meat, and a great way to stretch your budget. I’d really have to stretch my budget to get veal, but I wouldn’t because I don’t approve of how it’s raised.

That’s another one. I remember New York Strip steaks being cheap 30 years ago. Freaking butter beans used to be cheep!

25 Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2014 5:13:00pm

Rachel piles so much into one segment. Very very good. And of course, infuriating the unbelievable bullshit of the GOP.

26 Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2014 5:14:11pm

re: #24 nines09

My 1970’s summers: Grandmas house, shelling tons of butter beans while watching soaps.

27 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 18, 2014 5:14:16pm

re: #20 teleskiguy

HERP DERP

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Wingnuts have minds of children. Angry, spoiled, dumb children.

28 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 18, 2014 5:14:21pm

re: #24 nines09

That’s another one. I remember New York Strip steaks being cheap 30 years ago. Freaking butter beans used to be cheep!

I’d love to get the full loin (where the strip comes from), do a fridge dry age on it ala Alton Brown, then a dry marinade and roast at 200 degrees for an hour a pound. It would be EPIC.

RBS

29 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 5:17:21pm

re: #22 ObserverArt

Oh dear.

30 Nines All The Times  Jun 18, 2014 5:18:02pm

re: #28 RealityBasedSteve

I’d love to get the full loin (where the strip comes from), do a fridge dry age on it ala Alton Brown, then a dry marinade and roast at 200 degrees for an hour a pound. It would be EPIC.

RBS

Now I’m hungry. And I just ate. Think sirloin, 2 inches thick, cap off….Corn on the cob from 100 yards away, with butter and Crystal Hot Sauce, some butter beans and wild rice, with lope and watermelon…….

31 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 5:20:09pm

re: #30 nines09

Now I’m hungry. And I just ate. Think sirloin, 2 inches thick, cap off….Corn on the cob from 100 yards away, with butter and Crystal Hot Sauce, some butter beans and wild rice, with lope and watermelon…….

How do you eat corn from 100 yards away?

32 Nines All The Times  Jun 18, 2014 5:20:52pm

re: #31 Kragar

How do you eat corn from 100 yards away?

BIG TEETH, or long arms! Local.

33 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 18, 2014 5:22:43pm
34 Decatur Deb  Jun 18, 2014 5:24:46pm

re: #31 Kragar

How do you eat corn from 100 yards away?

The same way we grill asparagus from 8 feet away from the grill.

35 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 18, 2014 5:25:11pm

re: #32 nines09

“Grandmother, what big teeth you have got!”

36 TedStriker  Jun 18, 2014 5:25:19pm

re: #22 ObserverArt

SOme Lizards would asking for an Alfred E, Jindal image in the last thread. I didn;t get this slapped together quick enough to make that one…so Imma gonna park this here.

It is amazing how Alfred E. Bob E. is! I used his head and bent it a bit to Alfred shape it a bit and didn’t use anything else Alfred E. but the body/neck and the hair. And even the hair isn’t messed with all that much to fit Jindal’s head.

It was fun. I needed to keep up with Gus on creepy Aflred Es!

Everyone is MAD about Alfred E. Jindal. Don’t you worry!

<Guinness guys>Brilliant!!!</Guinness guys>

37 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 5:26:18pm

Had these in Sicily, they’re so great.

38 calochortus  Jun 18, 2014 5:26:52pm

re: #33 Pie-onist Overlord

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Because nothing improves prosperity like a crumbling infrastructure.
/

39 Justanotherhuman  Jun 18, 2014 5:27:02pm

Sliced strawberries over wedges of cantaloupe soon…

Very soon.

40 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 18, 2014 5:30:58pm

re: #38 calochortus

Because nothing improves prosperity like a crumbling infrastructure.
/

What’s the big deal…. can’t the poor people just all move to where the jobs are? ///

RBS

41 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 18, 2014 5:31:18pm

42 FemNaziBitch  Jun 18, 2014 5:31:44pm

THe gods are sweating bullets bowling above my head.

43 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2014 5:32:14pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Had these in Sicily, they’re so great.

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Never had one, but they look good. Had to Google to find what they are made of. Mmmm. Breadcrumbs, rice, melted cheese, egg, parsley (and other stuffing of choice)…refrigerated overnight and then fried. What’s not to love there?

44 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 18, 2014 5:32:22pm
45 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 5:32:33pm
46 Mattand  Jun 18, 2014 5:33:00pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Chuck Todd being a dick again.

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Funny how Chuck Todd never goes on a program like Maddow’s or Hayes’s and says that.

Probably has something to do with that whole ‘Getting his ass handed to him in about 3 seconds’ thing.

I’m also going to Beetlejuice this thread: we’re just over 40 comments in and no “Maddow’s show is crap” from the LGF Libertarian contingent.

Someone’s slipping…

47 Justanotherhuman  Jun 18, 2014 5:33:05pm

re: #42 FemNaziBitch

THe gods are sweating bullets bowling above my head.

Lots of storms and tornadoes. We were threatened, thunder, etc, but nothing yet. Thought for sure it was going to rain 3 hrs ago.

48 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 5:33:12pm

re: #22 ObserverArt

Some Lizards would asking for an Alfred E, Jindal image in the last thread. I didn’t get this slapped together quick enough to make that one…so Imma gonna park this here.

It is amazing how Alfred E. Bob E. is! I used his head and bent it a bit to Alfred shape it a bit and didn’t use anything else Alfred E. but the body/neck and the hair. And even the hair isn’t messed with all that much to fit Jindal’s head.

It was fun. I needed to keep up with Gus on creepy Aflred Es!

Everyone is MAD about Alfred E. Jindal. Don’t you worry!

You’re scaring me now! :D

49 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 5:33:21pm
50 Mattand  Jun 18, 2014 5:34:16pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

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I like this one. One dog goes one way and the other goes the other.

51 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2014 5:34:43pm

re: #42 FemNaziBitch

THe gods are sweating bullets bowling above my head.

You’ve had a whole day of it haven’t you? Luckily central Ohio is missing this round. We are the edge of the hot/humid conditions…Chicago to Detroit to Cleveland and on is the dividing line and paying for it.

52 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 5:35:11pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Had these in Sicily, they’re so great.

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Have had them in Sicily as well as Naples

Also there are two restaurants in the North End of Boston that make them better than the ones I had in Naples and ALMOST as good as those in Sicily

53 Mattand  Jun 18, 2014 5:35:56pm

re: #47 Justanotherhuman

Lots of storms and tornadoes. We were threatened, thunder, etc, but nothing yet. Thought for sure it was going to rain 3 hrs ago.

Freaking 91° in South Jersey/Philly. And humid, of course. Way too early for this soup.

54 Justanotherhuman  Jun 18, 2014 5:36:00pm
55 TedStriker  Jun 18, 2014 5:36:51pm

re: #46 Mattand

Funny how Chuck Todd never goes on a program like Maddow’s or Hayes’s and says that.

Probably has something to do with that whole ‘Getting his ass handed to him in about 3 seconds’ thing.

I’m also going to Beetlejuice this thread: we’re just over 40 comments in and no “Maddow’s show is crap” from the LGF Libertarian contingent.

Someone’s slipping…

Give KT and crew time to get their doses of Geritol first…

///

56 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 5:37:22pm

I hadn’t thought about arancini in a long time - now I think I may need to see if there’s a place in LA that makes ‘em.

57 Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2014 5:37:37pm

re: #41 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

eh?

58 Justanotherhuman  Jun 18, 2014 5:37:42pm

re: #53 Mattand

Freaking 91° in South Jersey/Philly. And humid, of course. Way too early for this soup.

It was 95 today, tomorrow and Fri; Sat will be 97.

Too early, yeah. That’s late July weather.

59 TedStriker  Jun 18, 2014 5:38:26pm

re: #50 Mattand

I like this one. One dog goes one way and the other goes the other.

A Goodfellas quote always gets a upding from me.

60 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 5:39:23pm
61 FemNaziBitch  Jun 18, 2014 5:40:37pm

re: #51 ObserverArt

You’ve had a whole day of it haven’t you? Luckily central Ohio is missing this round. We are the edge of the hot/humid conditions…Chicago to Detroit to Cleveland and on is the dividing line and paying for it.

Not this bad. The sky was quit ominous this morning, but no big rain until the last hour or so.

Sky has that weird tornado green cast.

62 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 18, 2014 5:40:37pm

re: #57 Stanley Sea

eh?

contemporaryartdaily.com

63 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 5:40:41pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

I hadn’t thought about arancini in a long time - now I think I may need to see if there’s a place in LA that makes ‘em.

Been over a year since I was there, but iirc, try Susina Cafe or Eagle Rock bakery and deli

64 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 5:41:25pm

re: #50 Mattand

I like this one. One dog goes one way and the other goes the other.

And the guy in the middle is like “what do I know” I love the way she does the white hair, it’s beautiful

66 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2014 5:41:44pm

Been 90°+ and humid in Ohio the last couple days.

I do not like it in July. I do not like it in August. But in June? Sucks. But not the first time. Seems to be a little more common than I remember as a kid. Sure we had some hot days, but now it is a couple months every year.

But I am no scientist! /

67 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2014 5:41:48pm

re: #51 ObserverArt

You’ve had a whole day of it haven’t you? Luckily central Ohio is missing this round. We are the edge of the hot/humid conditions…Chicago to Detroit to Cleveland and on is the dividing line and paying for it.

umm…check the radar now for Columbus…

68 b.d.  Jun 18, 2014 5:42:47pm
69 FemNaziBitch  Jun 18, 2014 5:43:02pm

They say it will storm most of the week in my part of the world. Well, really ALL week.

70 dog philosopher  Jun 18, 2014 5:43:31pm

President Obama weighs ‘do nothing’ option in Iraq

nothing

i can do that

71 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 18, 2014 5:44:37pm

SO I get up this evening and peruse my usual web sites & see this that I have to share with you all…

Actual letter sent by Ayn Rand to Cat Fancy magazine in 1966.

the-toast.net

Shudder.

72 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 5:45:40pm

It’s a good 15 to 20 degrees cooler than it’s been at my location in the inner mountain west. The Wasatch Range in Utah got a foot of snow yesterday!

Oh, and the damn mosquitoes are hatching. Got eaten alive last time I stepped outside! Grr.

73 FemNaziBitch  Jun 18, 2014 5:45:45pm
At least the rapist’s pursuit of sexual freedom doesn’t (in most cases) result in anyone’s death.”

I’m still trying to process this statement.

74 Nines All The Times  Jun 18, 2014 5:45:57pm
75 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2014 5:46:06pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

umm…check the radar now for Columbus…

I could tell…the natural lights just went out a few minutes ago and the black clouds are on the attack.

Going to batten down the hatches.

76 b_sharp  Jun 18, 2014 5:46:25pm

Why do I end up hungry when I read a thread here?

77 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2014 5:46:31pm

re: #74 nines09

Secret Sauce From The Gods

My go-to seasoning in the kitchen.

78 FemNaziBitch  Jun 18, 2014 5:46:50pm

re: #76 b_sharp

Why do I end up hungry when I read a thread here?

certain times of the day are worse than others.

79 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 18, 2014 5:47:55pm

re: #71 William Barnett-Lewis

SO I get up this evening and peruse my usual web sites & see this that I have to share with you all…[Embedded image]

Actual letter sent by Ayn Rand to Cat Fancy magazine in 1966.

the-toast.net

Shudder.

Looks like someone has failed the Turing test. /

80 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 5:48:08pm

re: #76 b_sharp

Why do I end up hungry when I read a thread here?

Because you get glued to your seat and forget to get up and eat

((lets hope you remember to get up and go to the bathroom when needed)))

81 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 5:48:59pm
82 CuriousLurker  Jun 18, 2014 5:49:52pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

I hadn’t thought about arancini in a long time - now I think I may need to see if there’s a place in LA that makes ‘em.

*puts on Geller mask*

You no-good, craven appeaser!! I looked those up and they were invented when the Islamic Supremacist Kalbids ruled Sicily. I’ll bet you just can’t wait for the Caliphate to begin, you subversive, leftist traitor…

83 dog philosopher  Jun 18, 2014 5:50:25pm

President Obama Tickles Giant Talking Robot Giraffe While Al Qaeda Retakes Iraq Fox News (blog)

didn’t make it up

84 FemNaziBitch  Jun 18, 2014 5:50:50pm
85 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2014 5:51:14pm
86 FemNaziBitch  Jun 18, 2014 5:51:21pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

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People still play bridge?

87 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 5:51:33pm

re: #82 CuriousLurker

When the Al Jarreau band was in Sicily we actually found a street vendor near the hotel we were staying for several days who sold unbelievably amazing arancini, fresh and hot, from a cart. So good.

88 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 5:52:43pm
89 CuriousLurker  Jun 18, 2014 5:52:46pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

When the Al Jarreau band was in Sicily we actually found a street vendor near the hotel we were staying for several days who sold unbelievably amazing arancini, fresh and hot, from a cart. So good.

Looks & sounds delicious. I’ve never had any—this is then first I’ve heard of it.

90 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 18, 2014 5:52:52pm

re: #83 dog philosopher

President Obama Tickles Giant Talking Robot Giraffe While Al Qaeda Retakes Iraq Fox News (blog)

didn’t make it up

You know who else tickled a giant talking robot giraffe too don’t you???

no really, I’m serious, who else gets to do something like that???

RBS

91 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 5:54:13pm

re: #88 Kragar

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So basically this county wants to act like every country our troops have ever visited: “YANKEE GO HOME (but leave your money)!”

92 FemNaziBitch  Jun 18, 2014 5:56:00pm
93 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 18, 2014 5:56:08pm

re: #90 RealityBasedSteve

You know who else tickled a giant talking robot giraffe too don’t you???

no really, I’m serious, who else gets to do something like that???

RBS

Giant talking robot Ayn Rand.

94 BeachDem  Jun 18, 2014 5:56:15pm

re: #12 Stanley Sea

OK—finally had to come out of lurking when in a matter of two posts there were “Burn After Reading” and Dixie Chicks references.

Feels like home!

95 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 5:57:08pm

Eastern Utah county tells federal cops: We call the shots

In the spirit of Cliven Bundy, the Carbon County Commission has passed a resolution declaring itself the sovereign authority within the eastern Utah county and that any attempt at law enforcement by a federal agent would be viewed as a “threat to the health, safety and welfare of the citizens of Carbon County.”

Some fear that language could be viewed as a justification for violence against Bureau of Land Management authorities or other federal agents who try to enforce laws on federal lands within the county.

The resolution says that federal officials who intend to exercise law enforcement powers shall first declare to the county sheriff their intent to enter Carbon County and then get permission to do so.

98 b_sharp  Jun 18, 2014 5:58:22pm

re: #80 sattv4u2

Because you get glued to your seat and forget to get up and eat

((lets hope you remember to get up and go to the bathroom when needed)))

I wear a diaper.

99 Justanotherhuman  Jun 18, 2014 5:58:24pm
100 Single-handed sailor  Jun 18, 2014 5:58:52pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

You can watch tornado chaser streaming here at TVNweather.com

101 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2014 5:58:56pm

Oh yes, I have the season finale of Fargo to watch. Excellent.

102 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 18, 2014 5:59:03pm

re: #93 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Giant robot talking Ayn Rand.

Giant robot talking Ayn Rand is objectively better than a traditional Ayn Rand.

103 klys  Jun 18, 2014 5:59:47pm

re: #86 FemNaziBitch

People still play bridge?

My mother-in-law is part of a bridge club.

It’s NC, I don’t bother to try and understand. I just smile, nod, and try to remember which university the husband went to so I don’t get it mixed up in basketball season.

104 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 18, 2014 5:59:51pm

re: #98 b_sharp

I wear a diaper.

tmi

105 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2014 6:00:07pm
106 Killgore Trout  Jun 18, 2014 6:00:07pm

The bright side of the UK’s Trojan Horse scandal
Secular triumph as government bans creationism from free schools and academies

107 danarchy  Jun 18, 2014 6:01:40pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

I hadn’t thought about arancini in a long time - now I think I may need to see if there’s a place in LA that makes ‘em.

I would be shocked if not. It is one of those things that suddenly appeared on everybody’s menu a year or two back. Even the sub shop down the street has arancini appetizers.

108 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 6:01:56pm
109 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 18, 2014 6:02:40pm
110 FemNaziBitch  Jun 18, 2014 6:03:52pm
111 FemNaziBitch  Jun 18, 2014 6:06:22pm

re: #103 klys

My mother-in-law is part of a bridge club.

It’s NC, I don’t bother to try and understand. I just smile, nod, and try to remember which university the husband went to so I don’t get it mixed up in basketball season.

good plan.

112 Killgore Trout  Jun 18, 2014 6:06:46pm
113 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 6:07:36pm

re: #110 FemNaziBitch

Why I am now a Democrat

I can’t believe we have to scroll. Truly pathetic. Nice party the GOP are.

114 FemNaziBitch  Jun 18, 2014 6:08:08pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I can’t believe we have to scroll. Truly pathetic. Nice party the GOP are.

oh, and it goes on and on.

115 Justanotherhuman  Jun 18, 2014 6:08:17pm
116 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 6:08:23pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

looks like ISIS got that oil refinery
Sunni Extremists Are Said to Take Control of Iraq’s Biggest Oil Refinery

Festive

And I was going to fill up today before coming in to work

117 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 6:08:27pm

re: #114 FemNaziBitch

oh, and it goes on and on.

Yeah I felt sick to my stomach reading it.

118 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2014 6:08:46pm
119 FemNaziBitch  Jun 18, 2014 6:09:09pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I can’t believe we have to scroll. Truly pathetic. Nice party the GOP are.

BONUS: Read the fine print Rape is one that really causing me to scratch my head.

120 Justanotherhuman  Jun 18, 2014 6:09:59pm

re: #119 FemNaziBitch

BONUS: Read the fine print Rape is one that really causing me to scratch my head.

They all are for me.

Fucking throwbacks.

121 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 6:10:11pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

looks like ISIS got that oil refinery
Sunni Extremists Are Said to Take Control of Iraq’s Biggest Oil Refinery

heh

,,,,,,the Obama administration, which extricated American troops from Iraq less than three years ago, was weighing a more muscular response, including airstrikes, to help the besieged government of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki.

Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said Wednesday in Saudi Arabia that Iraq had asked for American airstrikes, according to Al Arabiya television. That would make Mr. Zebari the first top Iraqi official to publicly confirm that request, reported by The New York Times last week.

122 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 18, 2014 6:10:13pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

Iraq has formally called on the US to launch air strikes against jihadist militants who have seized several key cities over the past week.

“We have a request from the Iraqi government for air power,” confirmed top US military commander Gen Martin Dempsey in front of US senators.
bbc.com

Not much point in moving the aircraft carrier if we are going to do nothing.

123 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 6:11:34pm

re: #119 FemNaziBitch

BONUS: Read the fine print Rape is one that really causing me to scratch my head.

Yes, I remember that. I believe that was something that Al Franken sponsored.

124 Justanotherhuman  Jun 18, 2014 6:11:45pm
125 FemNaziBitch  Jun 18, 2014 6:11:47pm
126 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 6:11:53pm

re: #122 Rightwingconspirator

Not much point in moving the aircraft carrier if we are going to do nothing.

We’ve moved carriers in and out of various places all the time without actually doing something

Show of force as well as preparedness.

127 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2014 6:12:25pm

re: #120 Justanotherhuman

They all are for me.

Fucking throwbacks.

Really if I read that and was a member of that party, I’d hand in my quitting card. There’s way way way too many instances of Republican officials making light of the horrors of rape.

128 FemNaziBitch  Jun 18, 2014 6:12:38pm

re: #120 Justanotherhuman

They all are for me.

Fucking throwbacks.

What idiot thought it was a good idea to actually put that stuff in writing, much less in a contract? And it was approved by Congress?

I don’t even want know. I won’t research.

129 FemNaziBitch  Jun 18, 2014 6:13:16pm

kid actually wants to watch a movie with me.

bbl

130 Killgore Trout  Jun 18, 2014 6:13:22pm

re: #116 sattv4u2

Festive

And I was going to fill up today before coming in to work

I’ve been doing all my grocery shopping on foot to past couples months. At this rate I’ll have to fill up my gas tank 3-4 times a year

131 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 6:14:33pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

I’ve been doing all my grocery shopping on foot to past couples months. At this rate I’ll have to fill up my gas tank 3-4 times a year

Yeah, but the “long” quiet drive home is even LONGER if I have to walk it!!!

132 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 18, 2014 6:14:58pm

re: #126 sattv4u2

Show of force might impress real nations. But these guys? I doubt it. Out on a limb here-American assets will be used against these guys before this is over. Maybe just drones and satellites and spotters. Maybe more.

133 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 6:15:24pm

re: #125 FemNaziBitch

Tea Partier Chris McDaniel’s Mississippi KKK Connection

The Mississippi Senate Republican Primary is something else, ain’t it.

134 Justanotherhuman  Jun 18, 2014 6:15:27pm

re: #125 FemNaziBitch

Tea Partier Chris McDaniel’s Mississippi KKK Connection

Hey, Ben Cohen, there’s nothing, absolutely nothing, complex about racism.

Stop trying to pretty it up.

135 Killgore Trout  Jun 18, 2014 6:16:08pm

re: #122 Rightwingconspirator

Iraq has formally called on the US to launch air strikes against jihadist militants who have seized several key cities over the past week.

“We have a request from the Iraqi government for air power,” confirmed top US military commander Gen Martin Dempsey in front of US senators.
bbc.com

Not much point in moving the aircraft carrier if we are going to do nothing.

You’d think that but remember Syria? I wouldn’t bet either way. When Obama makes up his mind he’ll let us know or hold a press conference to say he’s still thinking about it.

136 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2014 6:16:13pm

re: #94 BeachDem

Welcome, hatchling.

137 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 6:17:09pm

re: #95 Kragar

Eastern Utah county tells federal cops: We call the shots

The resolution says that federal officials who intend to exercise law enforcement powers shall first declare to the county sheriff their intent to enter Carbon County and then get permission to do so.

Fuck that. If the sheriff wants to interfere with the enforcement of federal law, then he and any of the fuckwits on his force who want to get in the way can cool their heels in Club Fed for the next fucking century.

138 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 6:17:16pm

139 The Awkward Guy  Jun 18, 2014 6:17:34pm

140 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2014 6:17:50pm

re: #95 Kragar

Eastern Utah county tells federal cops: We call the shots

I did it again. I read that as Cabrón County.

141 Skip Intro  Jun 18, 2014 6:18:33pm

re: #133 teleskiguy

The Mississippi Senate Republican Primary is something else, ain’t it.

Mississippi is something else. The only thing they lack is Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore who believes the First Amendment only applies to Christians.

142 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 6:18:54pm

143 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 18, 2014 6:19:14pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

I’ve been doing all my grocery shopping on foot to past couples months. At this rate I’ll have to fill up my gas tank 3-4 times a year

I’ve cut 400 miles a week off my driving by taking the express bus that runs from Clarksville to Nashville. Adds a little extra time to my commute, but it’s actually productive time, I can do emails, review what I’m covering that day, or take a nap. I do this an average of 4 days a week, this week I’ll probably do all 5 days.

Of course, I’m a socialist sheeple who is willing to let the elites dictate where I go and when I go there. Funny thing, I seem to be ok with that. :)

RBS

144 Skip Intro  Jun 18, 2014 6:20:01pm

re: #137 Targetpractice

Fuck that. If the sheriff wants to interfere with the enforcement of federal law, then he and any of the fuckwits on his force who want to get in the way can cool their heels in Club Fed for the next fucking century.

I keep waiting for that to happen, but it never does. Maybe some day the Feds will go after the Bundy Ranch terrorists, but I’m not holding my breath.

145 Justanotherhuman  Jun 18, 2014 6:21:54pm

Holy crap. Reports of people trapped under rubble in Wessington Springs, and now this one.

146 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 6:21:57pm

re: #140 wrenchwench

I did it again. I read that as Cabrón County.

CARBON COUNTY HAS BEEN AWARDED FEDERAL FUNDS UNDER THE EMERGENCY FOOD AND SHELTER NATIONAL BOARD PROGRAM.

Carbon County has been chosen to receive $6,214.00 to supplement
emergency food and shelter programs in the county.

Yeah, we’ll be needing that back, with interest.

147 Killgore Trout  Jun 18, 2014 6:21:57pm

re: #143 RealityBasedSteve

I’ve cut 400 miles a week off my driving by taking the express bus that runs from Clarksville to Nashville. Adds a little extra time to my commute, but it’s actually productive time, I can do emails, review what I’m covering that day, or take a nap. I do this an average of 4 days a week, this week I’ll probably do all 5 days.

Of course, I’m a socialist sheeple who is willing to let the elites dictate where I go and when I go there. Funny thing, I seem to be ok with that. :)

RBS

I really liked taking the train to work when I lived in Chicago. I used to do chess puzzles, I got pretty good after a year or so.

148 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 6:24:53pm

Carbon County, Utah, funds by Health and Human Services, Department of

Listing $1,281,983.00 in stimulus funds from Health and Human Services, Department of for Carbon

Yeah, we’ll be needing that back as well.

149 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 18, 2014 6:25:33pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

I really liked taking the train to work when I lived in Chicago. I used to do chess puzzles, I got pretty good after a year or so.

I walk to work. Brooklyn. It’s 1.5 miles. (and no, it’s not uphill both ways).

150 CuriousLurker  Jun 18, 2014 6:27:34pm

re: #89 CuriousLurker

Looks & sounds delicious. I’ve never had any—this is then first I’ve heard of it.

Heh, the Emirate of Sicily. It’s soooo strange looking back at that.

Then again, you also have the Byzantine & Holy Roman Empires, which also seems really weird.

I used to know this one girl form Malta; she looked totally Arab and the Maltese language has Arabic roots.

On the subject of history, in the book on antisemitism I’ve been reading I’ve gotten to the post-Jesus/post-Second Temple destruction period. It’s so… I dunno, kinda surreal to read about what was going on in those days… the religion of the Romans with its many gods, that of the Jews (I had no idea how many disagreements they had going on amongst themselves), what we know of the behavior of Jesus (a.s.) & the early Christians… when I compare it to today it causes all manner of cognitive dissonance.

Last night I got up to the point where Paul had changed things by seeking gentile as well as Jewish converts and not requiring them to come to Christianity via Judaism, but rather to convert directly (perhaps I should be calling early Christianity “messianic” something or other since early Christians were actually Jews).

Then there were the Gospels and the tone of the writing of the other apostles. I had to stop because I couldn’t absorb any more. I think I’m gonna have to make index cards or some kind of notes for this. Thank goodness for the Kindle’s ability to highlight passages!

Oops.. Um, sorry for the chasing the white rabbit moment. I got tangled up in my own head there for a few minutes and went on longer than intended.

151 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 6:30:04pm

re: #149 Iwouldprefernotto

I walk to work. Brooklyn. It’s 1.5 miles. (and no, it’s not uphill both ways).

hell. It’s 5 miles just to get to a place where i can buy my coffee to go FOR the drive to work!!

152 Killgore Trout  Jun 18, 2014 6:30:05pm

Administration tells Congress it will go slow on airstrikes

The Obama administration on Wednesday sought to temper lawmakers’ expectations for a quick military response in Iraq while rejecting calls to oust Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

Must be that Slow Motion Inert Low Expectation (SMILE) ordinance the pentagon has been secretly developing.

153 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2014 6:30:17pm
154 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 6:30:40pm

155 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 6:30:58pm

156 Nines All The Times  Jun 18, 2014 6:31:29pm

re: #110 FemNaziBitch

Why I am now a Democrat

Have a wife? Daughter? Know a woman? Ever loved a woman? Then you should never, ever again vote for the “party” that uses this platform. Fuck them all. Each. And. Every. One.

157 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 6:31:34pm

158 BeachDem  Jun 18, 2014 6:32:05pm

re: #136 wrenchwench

Welcome, hatchling.

Thanks for the welcome. Have been tempted to jump in before, but finally decided today was the day.

Rachel was great last night and tonight she rather clinically eviscerated that wonderful father/daughter team of Dick and Liz (who misspelled their name on their new website—oops.)

159 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 18, 2014 6:33:15pm

re: #153 wrenchwench

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Ah, that was a glorious if heart rending story. One of the first really mind bending SF stories I read, Helped to shape, along with Heinlein, what I expected from the genre.

160 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 6:35:08pm

re: #159 William Barnett-Lewis

Ah, that was a glorious if heart rending story. One of the first really mind bending SF stories I read, Helped to shape, along with Heinlein, what I expected from the genre.

Even years after reading it, I still remember it well.

161 Nines All The Times  Jun 18, 2014 6:35:20pm

re: #157 Gus

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Blind To The Shit. That’s the motto. Fucking Blind. And trying to take you with them.

162 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2014 6:39:45pm
163 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 6:40:37pm
164 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2014 6:42:06pm

Up too late last evening, er this morning reworking a site update and fixing custom flourishes…going down early tonight. Thanks for the updings for Alfred E. Jindal.

As I log out Rachel Maddow is doing a bit on the GOP squirrel that is following around Hillary’s tour. Low Budget.

Later lizards.

165 darthstar  Jun 18, 2014 6:43:00pm
166 Justanotherhuman  Jun 18, 2014 6:46:36pm

re: #165 darthstar

How one shoe can change a family photo.

I can’t stop laughing! Poor guy…

167 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 6:51:09pm
168 The Awkward Guy  Jun 18, 2014 6:51:40pm

re: #167 Kragar

What could possibly go wrong?
/

169 darthstar  Jun 18, 2014 6:52:41pm

re: #166 Justanotherhuman

I can’t stop laughing! Poor guy…

Poor guy? He’s a star now!

170 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2014 6:53:08pm
171 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 18, 2014 6:53:16pm

I have popsicles, and they make me happy. It’s a grape one, and I’ll go to bed with a purple tongue.

RBS

172 Justanotherhuman  Jun 18, 2014 6:55:51pm

Many welcomes to BeachDem!

Now the rack beckons once again.

And still, no rain.

173 Justanotherhuman  Jun 18, 2014 6:57:00pm

re: #170 Amory Blaine

Bony chair

Would hate for anyone to impale themselves on that…

Later, Lizards!

174 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2014 6:58:35pm

re: #173 Justanotherhuman

Would hate for anyone to impale themselves on that…

Later, Lizards!

It’s a requirement -_-

175 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 6:59:12pm

Nooo! They’re destroying bales of primo shit in Albania, maaan!

176 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 18, 2014 7:00:28pm

re: #170 Amory Blaine

Bony chair

That is so wrong on so many levels that it approaches fractal wrongness.

RBS

177 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 7:01:39pm
178 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 18, 2014 7:01:45pm

HURR HURR!!! THAT’S INCOME GROWTH FOR TEH 1%!!!! YOU NON-UNION WORKING SHMUCKS GETS TEH SHIT!!!! BE GRATEFUL U EVEN HAS A JRRB!!!!

179 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2014 7:01:53pm

I was just offering a pair to the exquisite model Sergey displayed in the last thread.

180 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 7:01:53pm
181 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 18, 2014 7:02:56pm

WOO WOO!!!! TEH SEEKRIT PARTNERS!!!!!!

182 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 7:03:34pm
183 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 7:04:28pm
184 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2014 7:04:30pm

Keeping it close to home tonight with Cream City Pale Ale. My sister in law is convalescing here along with my bro that moved in from Madison and of course my stepson. It’s a frat house for sure.

185 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 18, 2014 7:06:13pm
186 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 7:06:19pm
187 Bear  Jun 18, 2014 7:06:30pm

re: #183 teleskiguy

Not too smart there.

188 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 7:06:33pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

Administration tells Congress it will go slow on airstrikes

Must be that Slow Motion Inert Low Expectation (SMILE) ordinance the pentagon has been secretly developing.

Sounds like you should have voted for McCain/Palin. They’re right up your alley.

190 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 7:08:08pm
191 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2014 7:08:30pm

Chuck Todd’s Creed:

“It’s not my job”

192 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 7:09:12pm

re: #191 Amory Blaine

Chuck Todd’s Creed:

“It’s not my job”

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That “liberal media” at work for ya.

193 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 7:09:30pm
194 Bear  Jun 18, 2014 7:09:50pm

re: #190 teleskiguy

At times the B&W makes a far better print than color.

195 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 7:10:10pm

re: #194 Bear

At times the B&W makes a far better print than color.

I agree.

196 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 7:10:45pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

That “liberal media” at work for ya.

Those non-partisans are a hoot! //

197 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 7:10:53pm

re: #180 Gus

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Bush cronies: “MOAR WAR!”

Guy who actually fought there: “FUCK THAT!”

198 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 7:11:38pm

199 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 7:12:08pm

200 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 7:12:37pm

This guy is connected to the mountains like Isaac Newton was connected to the cosmos. Reinhold Messner.

202 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 7:14:37pm

re: #198 Gus

Oh gawd Gus! I’m blaming you if I wake up tonight in a cold sweat because tongue-y John McCain was chasing me in my dreams.

203 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 18, 2014 7:15:31pm

re: #189 darthstar

OMFG! A job opportunity at @Gap from…Temporary Guest. Hire some better recruiters, Gap, or you’ll get shit talent.

I’m sure they already have a “Temporary guest” H1B lined up for this position, just have to go through the BUT WE ADVERTISED FOR AMERICAN TALENT AND NO ONE WAS QUALIFIED!!!!!!

204 Romantic Heretic  Jun 18, 2014 7:18:18pm

re: #41 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

That’s a very realistic and scary look into a wingnut’s mind.

205 Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2014 7:18:18pm

re: #110 FemNaziBitch

Why I am now a Democrat

Horrific.

206 TedStriker  Jun 18, 2014 7:20:02pm

re: #143 RealityBasedSteve

I’ve cut 400 miles a week off my driving by taking the express bus that runs from Clarksville to Nashville. Adds a little extra time to my commute, but it’s actually productive time, I can do emails, review what I’m covering that day, or take a nap. I do this an average of 4 days a week, this week I’ll probably do all 5 days.

Of course, I’m a socialist sheeple who is willing to let the elites dictate where I go and when I go there. Funny thing, I seem to be ok with that. :)

RBS

Ahh, the RTA park-and-ride.

Having commuted to and from Austin Peay and Nashville at least three days a week (and, for at least 2-3 semesters, five days a week) for five years, it would have been nice to have been able to have taken that, but it just wasn’t feasible with my route outside of the I-24 corridor.

207 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 7:22:35pm

Wow, the keyboardist from my favorite touring band is really REALLY old. The stamped date on this picture is 1 January 1970. I saw Joel in Aspen in March, looked good for his old old age.

208 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 18, 2014 7:24:19pm

re: #110 FemNaziBitch

Why I am now a Democrat

THERE IS MOAR RAPE

209 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 7:25:30pm

re: #207 teleskiguy

It’s a running gag in the band that they make fun of Joel’s age because he is the oldest player in the band. I went ahead and sent this comment to Joel himself.

OK, I swear I’ll refrain from Umphrey’s McGee inside baseball for the rest of the evening. Carry on, Lizards. :)

210 Bear  Jun 18, 2014 7:25:51pm

re: #206 TedStriker

For a number of years I road the electric streetcar and the electric train across the SF Bay Bridge. Qf course the trains are long gone.

Progress???

211 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 18, 2014 7:26:22pm

re: #100 Single-handed sailor

You can watch tornado chaser streaming here at TVNweather.com

Yup. Have their app on my iPad.

212 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 18, 2014 7:27:25pm

re: #194 Bear

At times the B&W makes a far better print than color.

There are very very few times color is better.

213 Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2014 7:27:53pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

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An observation: All three executions took place in the former CSA. All who were executed were black men.

It matters not to me the color of such a child-killers skin, what matters to me is that the state of Florida put him to a richly deserved death.

214 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2014 7:28:13pm

re: #157 Gus

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When I see this I think Daft-Nut

215 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 18, 2014 7:29:14pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

It matters not to me the color of such a child-killers skin, what matters to me is that the state of Florida put him to a richly deserved death.

What matters is that if he’d been white he would not have been executed. The state of Florida is as evil as they come.

216 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 7:30:59pm

re: #208 Pie-onist Overlord

THERE IS MOAR RAPE

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But I’m sure this fellow does not have a problem with capital punishment.

217 Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2014 7:31:57pm

re: #215 William Barnett-Lewis

What matters is that if he’d been white he would not have been executed. The state of Florida is as evil as they come.

I don’t agree with that. He killed a five year old child, and that tends to get you executed regardless of race.

218 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 7:32:05pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

It matters not to me the color of such a child-killers skin, what matters to me is that the state of Florida put him to a richly deserved death.

Skin color doesn’t matter to me either. I was making an observation is all. And there is strong evidence that the death penalty is disproportionately targeting black people, particularly black men. There are way more black people on death row than white people.

219 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 7:33:10pm

re: #215 William Barnett-Lewis

What matters is that if he’d been white he would not have been executed. The state of Florida is as evil as they come.

7th name down on the list

Larry Man. Executed in 2013 in Florida. Race ,, white

Victims race,, white

deathpenaltyinfo.org

220 KerFuFFler  Jun 18, 2014 7:33:26pm

I really appreciate Rachel Maddow, but I fear she will always just be preaching to the choir because she talks so fast and ties together so many ideas.
Sure, we need nuanced discussion of issues but her rapid fire bundling of facts will fly over too many people’s heads.

I suppose right wingers don’t listen to her anyway but she can help the rest of us have the facts at our disposal just in case we encounter anyone legitimately on the fence…

221 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 7:35:03pm

re: #215 William Barnett-Lewis

13th name on the list also

Elmer Carroll,,,executed in Florida May 2013

White,,, victim also white

222 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 18, 2014 7:35:12pm

re: #219 sattv4u2

6th name down on the list

Larry Man. Executed in 2013 in Florida. Race ,, white

Victims race,, white

deathpenaltyinfo.org

A poor white who had as bad an attorney as the black folks? And that’s one out of how many? Thanks but that doesn’t change the utter racism, partiality and immorality of the death penalty in America.

223 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 7:36:10pm

re: #215 William Barnett-Lewis

A a little further down the list

Marshall Gore

224 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 18, 2014 7:36:15pm

re: #219 sattv4u2

7th name down on the list

Larry Man. Executed in 2013 in Florida. Race ,, white

Victims race,, white

deathpenaltyinfo.org

Should have used affluenza as his defense.

225 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 7:37:09pm
Personally I’ve had a problem with the death penalty ever since I was about two feet tall for one simple reason: What if they got the wrong person?

-Jello Biafra

226 Killgore Trout  Jun 18, 2014 7:38:02pm

re: #180 Gus

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He makes a strong case.

227 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 7:38:10pm

re: #222 William Barnett-Lewis

A poor white who had as bad an attorney as the black folks? And that’s one out of how many? Thanks but that doesn’t change the utter racism, partiality and immorality of the death penalty in America.

Found five since early 2013 on that list in Fla

Same timeframe,, two black men executed

229 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2014 7:39:11pm

Immigration Reform Can’t Wait
By RUPERT MURDOCH

Next, we need to do away with the cap on H-1B visas, which is arbitrary and results in U.S. companies struggling to find the high-skill workers they need to continue growing. We already know that most of the applications for these visas are for computer programmers and engineers, where there is a shortage of qualified American candidates. But we are held back by the objections of the richly funded labor unions that mistakenly believe that if we keep innovation out of America, somehow nothing will change. They are wrong, and frankly as much to blame for our stalemate on this issue as nativists who scream about amnesty.

230 missliberties  Jun 18, 2014 7:39:18pm

re: #126 sattv4u2

Not much point in moving the aircraft carrier if we are going to do nothing.

We’ve moved carriers in and out of various places all the time without actually doing something

Show of force as well as preparedness.

The Navy! It’s in the ConStiTuTion.

Offshore balance. Using naval ships as a floating launch pad means you don’t have to have put…… boots on the ground………! yet can still maintain a stance of ‘at the ready’. I think it’s a great and smart way to fight these new stateless terrorists.

231 darthstar  Jun 18, 2014 7:40:44pm

re: #201 dog philosopher

fuck agile

We’re agile at my office…religiously so. Our “scrum master” is the laziest, most incurious piece of shit I ever met…and it’s taken me a fucking year to get him to actually listen to the teams he allegedly ‘coaches’…but he loves coming back with negative shit about me from the teams. Totally by the book agile. “You can’t do that because it doesn’t fit the rules of scrum. ” I always reply with “Sometimes you just want to get shit done.” Fortunately, my boss knows he’s fucking worthless too so it’s just a matter of time before we replace him…we’ve interviewed a number of good candidates, but backed off at the last second - last guy would have been great, except he was a dominant bear and while nobody would say it, that was why we didn’t consider him. He at least knew Agile shouldn’t be a fucking religion.

The good news is, I’m learning enough about Agile that I can write a white paper for a big Agile conference, then when I get there to deliver it, change it to rip those fucks a new asshole. Looking forward to that…probably in 2015.

232 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 7:42:12pm

re: #229 Amory Blaine

Immigration Reform Can’t Wait
By RUPERT MURDOCH

Do we invest in American workers so that we can fill those high-skill jobs? Fuck that, just import foreign labor. After all, you can’t threaten to send an American worker back to his home country if he complains about the pay or how he’s treated. Plus on a work visa, you’ve got years of guaranteed work before he becomes a citizen.

233 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2014 7:42:54pm

re: #219 sattv4u2

7th name down on the list

Larry Man. Executed in 2013 in Florida. Race ,, white

Victims race,, white

deathpenaltyinfo.org

You do get that the race of the victim is highly determinative of who get put on death row, right? The interracial murder statistic is what’s interesting. The death penalty gets applied mostly when white people die and/or when black people kill. White people convicted of killing black victims only end up on death row at a rate of 7.4% compared to black defendants convicted of killing white people.

235 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2014 7:43:44pm

He’s lying there are plenty of skilled workers here.

236 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 7:43:52pm

Some stunning facts about the death penalty in America.

DNA Exonerations Nationwide

There have been 316 post-conviction DNA exonerations in the United States.

• The first DNA exoneration took place in 1989. Exonerations have been won in 36 states; since 2000, there have been 249 exonerations.

• 18 of the 316 people exonerated through DNA served time on death row. Another 16 were charged with capital crimes but not sentenced to death.

• The average length of time served by exonerees is 13.5 years. The total number of years served is approximately 4,232.

• The average age of exonerees at the time of their wrongful convictions was 27.

Races of the 316 exonerees:

198 African Americans
94 Caucasians
22 Latinos
2 Asian American

• The true suspects and/or perpetrators have been identified in 153 of the DNA exoneration cases.

• Since 1989, there have been tens of thousands of cases where prime suspects were identified and pursued—until DNA testing (prior to conviction) proved that they were wrongly accused.

• In more than 25 percent of cases in a National Institute of Justice study, suspects were excluded once DNA testing was conducted during the criminal investigation (the study, conducted in 1995, included 10,060 cases where testing was performed by FBI labs).

• 65 percent of the people exonerated through DNA testing have been financially compensated. 29 states, the federal government, and the District of Columbia have passed laws to compensate people who were wrongfully incarcerated. Awards under these statutes vary from state to state.

• An Innocence Project review of our closed cases from 2004 - 2010 revealed that 22 percent of cases were closed because of lost or destroyed evidence.

• The Innocence Project was involved in 172 of the 316 DNA exonerations. Others were helped by Innocence Network organizations, private attorneys and by pro se defendants in a few instances.

• 30 of the DNA exonerees pled guilty to crimes they did not commit.

More here.

237 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 7:45:01pm

re: #233 goddamnedfrank

You do get that the race of the victim is highly determinative of who get put on death row, right

I never disputed it doesn’t

What I commented too was the remark in # 215 What matters is that if he’d been white he would not have been executed wrt Florida

238 KerFuFFler  Jun 18, 2014 7:46:50pm

I have to feel lucky that just when I was feeling so down about all of the political fucked-up-ness we are currently facing, the fireflies are out in droves for the first time this Summer! Their *magical* twinkling is a great reminder of how much is right with the world….

239 darthstar  Jun 18, 2014 7:47:19pm

This is fun.

buzzfeed.com

240 Single-handed sailor  Jun 18, 2014 7:47:31pm

re: #238 KerFuFFler

I have to feel lucky that just when I was feeling so down about all of the political fucked-up-ness we are currently facing, the fireflies are out in droves for the first time this Summer! Their *magical* twinkling is a great reminder of how much is right with the world….

I have never seen fireflies. :(

241 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2014 7:48:01pm

re: #235 Amory Blaine

He’s lying there are plenty of skilled workers here.

There are, just not for the cheap pays that their foreign competition will accept just for the chance at American citizenship. And who says indentured servitude is dead?

242 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 7:49:13pm

re: #240 Single-handed sailor

I have never seen fireflies. :(

Come to my house

Sit on the backporch. We have hundreds out there now

243 KerFuFFler  Jun 18, 2014 7:49:36pm

re: #165 darthstar

Priceless!!!!!!

244 Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2014 7:49:57pm

re: #237 sattv4u2

You do get that the race of the victim is highly determinative of who get put on death row, right

I never disputed it doesn’t

What I commented too was the remark in # 215 What matters is that if he’d been white he would not have been executed wrt Florida

Quite Concur. I was not saying that there is no racial bias in the justice system or in who gets the death penalty, all I was saying is that the man whom Florida executed would, to a high order of probability, have gotten the death penalty even had he been white, because he committed a crime universally seen as ‘beyond the Pale’.

245 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2014 7:50:37pm

re: #227 sattv4u2

Found five since early 2013 on that list in Fla

Same timeframe,, two black men executed

And in every single instance the victims were white.

246 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2014 7:51:26pm

re: #241 Targetpractice

U.S. companies struggling to find the high-skill workers they need to continue growing.

Exactly. What this sentence means to someone of his stature is “U.S. companies struggle to find cheaper labor to grow management salary.”

247 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 7:51:26pm

re: #240 Single-handed sailor

I have never seen fireflies. :(

I never saw fireflies until I went to a Phish concert in Noblesville, IN in the summer of 2010. I tell ya, that first night, I was absolutely mesmerized by the fire flies!

248 Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2014 7:51:46pm

re: #240 Single-handed sailor

I have never seen fireflies. :(

Go East young man!

249 TedStriker  Jun 18, 2014 7:53:57pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

Do we invest in American workers so that we can fill those high-skill jobs? Fuck that, just import foreign labor. After all, you can’t threaten to send an American worker back to his home country if he complains about the pay or how he’s treated. Plus on a work visa, you’ve got years of guaranteed work before he becomes a citizen.

Precisely.

But, as you said, you can’t threaten to have the help deported when they figure out they’re being screwed and they begin to assert their legal rights if you hire American, you can only just harass and can them.

H1Bs are much more fun to play with for shriveled fucksticks like Murdoch.

250 Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2014 7:54:06pm

We called them lightning bugs.

251 The War TARDIS  Jun 18, 2014 7:55:47pm

re: #234 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to disagree.

While Schweitzer I think may have gone a little wide in calling Southern Men Effeminate, I do think he may be referring to a very preening attitude I see down here in regards to have to show off masculinity.

252 Belafon  Jun 18, 2014 7:55:57pm

re: #160 Targetpractice

It’s one of the books I make my kids read.

253 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2014 8:00:42pm

re: #237 sattv4u2

You do get that the race of the victim is highly determinative of who get put on death row, right

I never disputed it doesn’t

What I commented too was the remark in # 215 What matters is that if he’d been white he would not have been executed wrt Florida

It’s just so typical that you’d jump in to correct WBL’s obvious hyperbole with an eager “but actually …” and stopping there. The real story is how prosecutors and juries nationwide don’t seem to comparatively value black lives nearly as much as white ones.

254 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 8:04:09pm

re: #253 goddamnedfrank

And again, I never disputed that

255 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 8:05:02pm
256 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 8:06:27pm

re: #255 Gus

Brad Johnson is a shill for the UN, a huckster communist hellbent on destroying free enterprise!!!!111!!

258 Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2014 8:07:07pm

And just to make a contribution to the topic of the thread in my own way, here is a link to a Janes report on MANPADs proliferation from Libya. The danger of man-portable SAMs being smuggled out of Libya was part of the reason Ambassador Stevens spent as much time as he did at the Benghazi consulate and the threat of such SAMs made a “Get to the choppah!”-type of rescue mission unfeasible.

So do download it and read it, it’s worth it.

259 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jun 18, 2014 8:08:25pm

re: #240 Single-handed sailor

I have never seen fireflies. :(

Here in Mass. the fireflies are very sparse - you’ll see just one or two in an evening, if you’re lucky. So when I took my daughter to New Jersey to see where Dad grew up, she was enthralled by the swarms of fireflies that come out by the hundreds at dusk. She’d never seen such a thing. It was funny to watch this seventeen-year-old running around after fireflies the way I did when I was five.

260 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2014 8:08:47pm

Murdoch has basically thrown the dudebros to the wolves with this editorial.

261 Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2014 8:09:47pm

re: #260 Amory Blaine

Murdoch has basically thrown the dudebros to the wolves with this editorial.

Where can I find said editorial? I came to the thread late.

262 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 8:09:54pm

re: #257 nines09

The facts and fancies of what it would take for the USA to advance in The World Cup.
It can be done.

Portugal is going to be FLYING around Sunday after it’s humiliating loss to Germany. The US better forget it’s “A” game. It will need it’s “A Plus” game for this match

263 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2014 8:11:53pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

re: #229 Amory Blaine

Immigration Reform Can’t Wait
By RUPERT MURDOCH

264 Nines All The Times  Jun 18, 2014 8:12:01pm

re: #262 sattv4u2

Portugal is going to be FLYING around Sunday after it’s humiliating loss to Germany. The US better forget it’s “A” game. It will need it’s “A Plus” game for this match

Pressure on the Portuguese is immense. BUT…..

265 Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2014 8:12:48pm

re: #262 sattv4u2

Portugal is going to be FLYING around Sunday after it’s humiliating loss to Germany. The US better forget it’s “A” game. It will need it’s “A Plus” game for this match

Unless they play like Espana after their humiliating loss to The Netherlands.

266 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 18, 2014 8:12:58pm

re: #262 sattv4u2

Portugal is going to be FLYING around Sunday after it’s humiliating loss to Germany. The US better forget it’s “A” game. It will need it’s “A Plus” game for this match

Two major players out (red card & torn leg muscles) and one more possibly out? They may step up or they may be demoralized while the USNMT is at it’s highest point in years. It’s the best chance the USNMT has considering that the Germans will take them apart. But if they can win on Sunday they can have a real chance at the #2 place in group.

267 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 8:14:12pm

re: #264 nines09

Pressure on the Portuguese is immense. BUT…..

Oh,, don’t get me wrong. I’m very hopeful of at least a tie with Portugal. It will be tough however without Jozy

UPSIDE,,, iirc, one of Portugals top players is hobbling also (and no,,, unfortunately for the US it’s not Ronaldo)

268 Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2014 8:14:47pm

re: #263 Amory Blaine

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em>re: #229 Amory Blaine

Decent stuff, except for the H-!b visa part, of which Alouette presented evidence recently that its being used as something of a scam.

269 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 8:15:23pm

re: #265 Stanley Sea

Unless they play like Espana after their humiliating loss to The Netherlands.

WORSE ,, their loss today to Chile

SPAIN IS OUT!!!

270 Nines All The Times  Jun 18, 2014 8:15:50pm

re: #266 William Barnett-Lewis

It’s there for the taking. The Selecção Portuguesa de Futebol is weakened. Now watch the refereeing. FIFA is so corrupt.

271 Nines All The Times  Jun 18, 2014 8:17:53pm

re: #269 sattv4u2

WORSE ,, their loss today to Chile

SPAIN IS OUT!!!

My friend from La Coruna is besides himself. Talking to himself. And the conversation is nasty.

272 Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2014 8:18:58pm

Check it out.

273 Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2014 8:19:27pm

Sob.

274 CuriousLurker  Jun 18, 2014 8:20:11pm

re: #253 goddamnedfrank

Even these two, who are being very cautious, agree:

The death penalty and racial bias in the US
Eliana La Ferrara, Alberto Alesina, 27 May 2011

Southern US states have long been accused of discrimination against racial minorities - particularly blacks and Hispanics. This column looks for racial bias in criminal murder trials. It finds that a murder by an ethnic minority criminal against a white victim systematically receives harsher punishment than if the murder had been committed by a white criminal.

African Americans are disproportionately represented among people condemned to death in the US. While they make up 12% of the national population, they account for more than 40% of the country’s current death row inmates, and one in three of those executed since 1977. — Amnesty International, USA Death by Discrimination - The Continuing Role of Race in Capital Cases, April 2003, page 1.

While factually correct, statements like the above can hardly be interpreted as evidence of racial bias because violent crime rates are higher among minorities than whites. Ideally we would want to find two identical crimes, one committed by a minority defendant and one committed by a white defendant and check whether the courts treat the two events differently. The problem is that it is virtually impossible to define two crimes as identical. Homicides can differ along so many dimensions that this empirical strategy is a non-starter.

The alternative is to define a test for bias which does not require controlling for all the different features of different crimes. This is what we do in a recent working paper (Alesina and La Ferrara 2011). […]

In summary, testing for racial bias when crimes rates and other unobservable characteristics vary across races is extremely difficult. We have had to make several assumptions to develop a test, and such test is only valid under these hypotheses. Conditional on this cautionary remark, we do find evidence of racial bias against minorities killing white victims in southern states of the US.

Links to full reports by the authors and Amnesty International are available at the end of the source article.

275 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 8:20:46pm

re: #270 nines09

It’s there for the taking. The Selecção Portuguesa de Futebol is weakened. Now watch the refereeing. FIFA is so corrupt.

Germany,,, Argentina,, Italy,,,,,, ‘there for the taking” will have to go through at least one of those three

276 Nines All The Times  Jun 18, 2014 8:21:44pm

Goodnight and better tomorrows lizards. Sláinte.

277 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 8:23:58pm
278 Nines All The Times  Jun 18, 2014 8:25:27pm

re: #275 sattv4u2

Germany,,, Argentina,, Italy,,,,,, ‘there for the taking” will have to go through at least one of those three

First round. Tie Portugal. Then get lit up by Germany, and await the aggregate. One win, one tie, one loss can get you in. All added up by aggregate goals. Read what I posted. No Azzurri here. Bella.

279 Nines All The Times  Jun 18, 2014 8:26:30pm

Nighty night.

280 palomino  Jun 18, 2014 8:27:07pm

re: #74 nines09

Secret Sauce From The Gods

Old Bay is great stuff. And it’s not just for seafood anymore. Really nice on bbq chicken among other things. Brilliant combo of paprika, celery salt, red pepper, and other stuff like sweet aromatic spices (nutmeg, ginger, allspice, etc)

281 palomino  Jun 18, 2014 8:30:11pm

re: #260 Amory Blaine

Murdoch has basically thrown the dudebros to the wolves with this editorial.

Take a look at the comments at wsjonline. Pretty much what you’d expect: a heaping helping of paranoia, xenophobia, hyperbole, and outright factual errors in response to that “liberal foreigner Rupert Murdoch”.

282 Nines All The Times  Jun 18, 2014 8:38:29pm

re: #280 palomino

Old Bay is great stuff. And it’s not just for seafood anymore. Really nice on bbq chicken among other things. Brilliant combo of paprika, celery salt, red pepper, and other stuff like sweet aromatic spices (nutmeg, ginger, allspice, etc)

Psst! Make some real homemade French fries where they are browned good, take them and put them in a brown paper bag and keep it expanded and shake all the grease off you can. Transfer the fries to another brown paper bag and add Old Bay to your taste, start small, and a smidgen of salt and pepper. Now find some Blue Point Crabs …

283 Nines All The Times  Jun 18, 2014 8:38:52pm

I’m gone.

284 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 8:39:53pm
285 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 8:40:31pm
286 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 8:41:58pm

re: #278 nines09

First round. Tie Portugal. Then get lit up by Germany, and await the aggregate. One win, one tie, one loss can get you in. All added up by aggregate goals. Read what I posted. No Italy here. Bella.

Thought you meant the whole shebang was “’there for the taking”

287 Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2014 8:43:17pm

re: #285 Gus

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Which sacrificial daughter is next to Cheney?

288 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 8:43:48pm

re: #287 Stanley Sea

Which sacrificial daughter is next to Cheney?

That would be Lynne Liz (Lynne is Dick’s wife), the one that isn’t gay.

*corrected*

289 Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2014 8:44:05pm

Or is it Darth Liz? (she looks different)

290 plansbandc  Jun 18, 2014 8:44:52pm

I have never seen fireflies either. Makes me sad.

291 Stanley Sea  Jun 18, 2014 8:44:57pm

re: #288 teleskiguy

That would be Lynne, the one that isn’t gay.

The wife? Man, he took her blood too.

292 jaunte  Jun 18, 2014 8:45:08pm

re: #285 Gus

It’s the rare Triple Quizzical Tilt:
tvtropes.org

293 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 8:46:27pm

re: #290 plansbandc

I have never seen fireflies either. Makes me sad.

I’ll bottle one and send it to you

Pre-pay for the shipping please

294 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 8:46:34pm

re: #291 Stanley Sea

The wife? Man, he took her blood too.

Ha ha ha. Necessary corrections were made.

I can remember the days when we couldn’t edit our LGF comments. And you had to comment 2 or 3 more times just to correct the 1 comment.

295 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 8:48:18pm

VERY busy and eventful work week comes to an end soon

Don’t have to be back here till Saturday morning

Think I’ll stop for an adult beverage on the long quiet drive home

there’s a great little all night diner with a full bar about 2/3rds of the way home

296 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 8:49:15pm

Probably paraphrased, taken from memory:

If you ever have any questions as to why the Gulf War happened, just remember the names of the architects of the Gulf War, Dick Cheney and Colin Powell. Somebody got fucked in the ass

-George Carlin, 1992

297 Floral Giraffe  Jun 18, 2014 8:57:13pm

re: #83 dog philosopher

President Obama Tickles Giant Talking Robot Giraffe While Al Qaeda Retakes Iraq Fox News (blog)

didn’t make it up

And WHAT exactly is wrong with a giant talking robot giraffe????
/// giggles

298 palomino  Jun 18, 2014 8:57:23pm

re: #287 Stanley Sea

Which sacrificial daughter is next to Cheney?

The one so odious that even Wyoming Republicans gave her virtually no support in her disastrous bid for the GOP Senate nomination. She’s a mouthpiece for her dad, and not much more.

299 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 8:59:36pm

re: #298 palomino

The one so odious that even Wyoming Republicans gave her virtually no support in her disastrous bid for the GOP Senate nomination. She’s a mouthpiece for her dad, and not much more.

Yeah, her.

Notice how no one has heard from Mary Cheney, who’s happily married to her partner and they have children I think.

While Dick Cheney was congresscritter for the state of Wyoming for almost two decades, he quietly voted against any and all anti-gay legislation that was put forth in his tenure.

300 palomino  Jun 18, 2014 9:02:07pm

re: #282 nines09

Psst! Make some real homemade French fries where they are browned good, take them and put them in a brown paper bag and keep it expanded and shake all the grease off you can. Transfer the fries to another brown paper bag and add Old Bay to your taste, start small, and a smidgen of salt and pepper. Now find some Blue Point Crabs …

Sounds truly “yummo!”, as Rachael Ray would say.

Wish I could make those fries tonite. But I will remember and make it when I get back to LA. I will remember.

301 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 9:02:42pm

FOR REALZ!!!!

302 Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2014 9:05:07pm

re: #299 teleskiguy

Yeah, her.

Notice how no one has heard from Mary Cheney, who’s happily married to her partner and they have children I think.

While Dick Cheney was congresscritter for the state of Wyoming for almost two decades, he quietly voted against any and all anti-gay legislation that was put forth in his tenure.

Which was part of why his daughter didn’t get any traction. Liz Cheney’s support for gay marriage bans struck Wyoming Republicans as dishonest, a pose adopted to placate voters that she didn’t really believe in. That helped sink Liz Cheney as a phony. She should have just taken a pro-gay marriage position and stuck with it. She might not have won with such a position, but it would have at least been seen as honest.

303 palomino  Jun 18, 2014 9:05:47pm

re: #299 teleskiguy

Yeah, her.

Notice how no one has heard from Mary Cheney, who’s happily married to her partner and they have children I think.

While Dick Cheney was congresscritter for the state of Wyoming for almost two decades, he quietly voted against any and all anti-gay legislation that was put forth in his tenure.

That makes her my favorite Cheney by far.

Plus the fact that she said—in one of her rare public comments—in no uncertain terms that her sister was wrong on gay rights. She put the civil rights of millions ahead of her sister’s political aspirations. Blood’s not always thicker than water when your very equality as a human is at stake.

304 sattv4u2  Jun 18, 2014 9:05:52pm

And on that note, the long quiet drive home FINALLY beckons

305 klys  Jun 18, 2014 9:06:59pm

re: #302 Dark_Falcon

Which was part of why his daughter didn’t get any traction. Liz Cheney’s support for gay marriage bans struck Wyoming Republicans as dishonest, a pose adopted to placate voters that she didn’t really believe in. That helped sink Liz Cheney as a phony. She should have just taken a pro-gay marriage position and stuck with it. She might not have won with such a position, but it would have at least been seen as honest.

Anything for votes, right Dark? Just as long as you win? Wasn’t that what you said about Graham?

///

306 Floral Giraffe  Jun 18, 2014 9:07:59pm

re: #293 sattv4u2

I’ll bottle one and send it to you

Pre-pay for the shipping please

Take pictures to share!
LOVES me fireflies!
But they’re NOT a California thing!

307 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 9:10:17pm

re: #302 Dark_Falcon

Which was part of why his daughter didn’t get any traction. Liz Cheney’s support for gay marriage bans struck Wyoming Republicans as dishonest, a pose adopted to placate voters that she didn’t really believe in. That helped sink Liz Cheney as a phony. She should have just taken a pro-gay marriage position and stuck with it. She might not have won with such a position, but it would have at least been seen as honest.

Liz Cheney didn’t have any traction as a Senate candidate because of her obvious carpetbagging. D.C. resident for a couple of decades and all of a sudden she’s a salt-of-the-earth Wyomingite? Give me a break. I’m glad Mike Enzi’s campaign ate Liz’s campaign for breakfast, that proves to me that Republican Wyoming Primary voters aren’t as stupid as I thought.

Then again, I’ll never vote for a Republican today because they’re way too anti-science.

308 klys  Jun 18, 2014 9:11:05pm

re: #306 Floral Giraffe

Take pictures to share!
LOVES me fireflies!
But they’re NOT a California thing!

I was going to a festival out in rural PA once. Over ten years ago now. We were waiting to get in along a rural road and there was a break in the trees where you could see a meadow beyond and it just …sparkled. There’s no other words for it. Fireflies on every blade of grass, fireflies above, one of the most beautiful, amazing things I’ve ever seen.

309 Floral Giraffe  Jun 18, 2014 9:13:30pm

re: #308 klys

My first summer trip to St. Louis, I was all running around on the park under the arch, catching fireflies in my hands, while my boss sat in the taxi screeching at me :)

310 prairiefire  Jun 18, 2014 9:14:40pm

re: #250 Stanley Sea

We called them lightning bugs.

Did you ever smoosh the poor darlings and smear the shine on your skin? We were brutal savages as kids.

311 palomino  Jun 18, 2014 9:15:31pm

re: #302 Dark_Falcon

Which was part of why his daughter didn’t get any traction. Liz Cheney’s support for gay marriage bans struck Wyoming Republicans as dishonest, a pose adopted to placate voters that she didn’t really believe in. That helped sink Liz Cheney as a phony. She should have just taken a pro-gay marriage position and stuck with it. She might not have won with such a position, but it would have at least been seen as honest.

That’s not why she lost. It was a lot of other things, like her DC presumptuousness, her inability to wow gopers in WY, and the lack of a desire statewide to replace Enzi.

She doesn’t have to be pro-gay rights just because her sister is gay. What makes you think WY GOP voters would prefer a candidate who supports gay marriage? I’m sure you know that WY is one of the reddest states in the US, meaning that supporting gay rights wouldn’t have helped her in the primary.

312 klys  Jun 18, 2014 9:16:28pm

re: #309 Floral Giraffe

My first summer trip to St. Louis, I was all running around on the park under the arch, catching fireflies in my hands, while my boss sat in the taxi screeching at me :)

I grew up on the east coast, so it wasn’t really a new thing for me, and it still took my breath away. Just one of those magic moments.

313 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 9:24:11pm
314 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 18, 2014 9:24:45pm

Fat chance assholes. You had almost 2 years to pick this guy up.

Libya condemns U.S. arrest of Benghazi suspect

(Reuters) - Libya condemned the United States on Wednesday for snatching a man suspected of masterminding the deadly 2012 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, describing the arrest as a violation of Libyan sovereignty.

…In the first official reaction from Tripoli, Justice Minister Saleh al-Marghani said Khatallah should be returned to Libya and tried there.

“We had no prior notification,” Marghani told a news conference. “We expect the world to help us with security. We expected the United States to help us, but we did not expect the United States to upset the political scene.”

He said Khatallah had been wanted by Libyan authorities for questioning but they had been unable to arrest him due to the security situation.

Diplomats say Libya has done next to nothing to make arrests over the 2012 consulate attack in which four Americans died, as the government has little sway in Libya’s second-largest city.

Libyan foreign ministry spokesman Said al Saoud said: “This attack on Libyan sovereignty happened at a time when Benghazi is suffering from many problems.” He asked that Khatallah receive a fair trial.

315 Lidane  Jun 18, 2014 9:25:29pm

re: #177 Gus

This is excellent news for John McCain!

316 Floral Giraffe  Jun 18, 2014 9:33:34pm

re: #313 Gus

He looks like a young Bill Gates!

317 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2014 9:34:12pm

re: #302 Dark_Falcon

Which was part of why his daughter didn’t get any traction. Liz Cheney’s support for gay marriage bans struck Wyoming Republicans as dishonest, a pose adopted to placate voters that she didn’t really believe in. That helped sink Liz Cheney as a phony. She should have just taken a pro-gay marriage position and stuck with it. She might not have won with such a position, but it would have at least been seen as honest.

Wyoming Republicans don’t care that she came out against gay marriage, they hate gay marriage. The fact that she was fucking over her sister may have made her opposition seem more craven and opportunistic but for all anybody knows she’s genuinely bigoted, just like the vast majority of the Republican party is on the issue. it was the fishing license shenanigans that killed her chances.

Wyoming is a sportsman’s state, they take poaching and violating wildlife laws pretty seriously, and her lying on the fishing license application was too blatantly connected to her trying to overcome her carpetbagger status. It was obvious her team knew that a lot of photo ops in Wyoming get done while fly fishing, and her father’s secret service codename was “Angler.” So she needed a license, but having it come out that she had an out-of-state license would have been disastrous, so she deliberately took the risk and lied about living in the state for more than a year.

318 palomino  Jun 18, 2014 9:36:31pm

re: #315 Lidane

This is excellent news for John McCain!

Has McCain ever cautioned restraint in the use of military force?

Has he ever met a war he didn’t like? Or even a potential war he didn’t like?

In addition to Obama’s Afghan surge and Libya bombing campaign, McCain (based on his own rhetoric) would have gotten us militarily involved in Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq (again), Ukraine, and probably several other places.

319 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 18, 2014 9:45:48pm
320 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2014 9:46:48pm

It’s pretty telling that Dick and Lynne sided with Liz against Mary during the sisters’ little public spat.

This is an issue we have dealt with privately for many years, and we are pained to see it become public. Since it has, one thing should be clear. Liz has always believed in the traditional definition of marriage. She has also always treated her sister and her sister’s family with love and respect, exactly as she should have done. Compassion is called for, even when there is disagreement about such a fundamental matter, and Liz’s many kindnesses shouldn’t be used to distort her position.”

The Cheneys have a pretty fucked up concept of love and respect if it includes treating one’s sister as a second class citizen, who is underserving of fundamental fairness. It’s been pretty obvious for years that Dick and Lynne were two of the greasiest, unprincipled and most opportunistic pieces of shit imaginable, but leaping to their bigoted daughter’s defense as she tried to campaign on taking away their other daughters right to equality under the law was a new low even for them.

321 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 18, 2014 10:07:08pm

Speaking of the great state of Wyoming, one of my students here is working the summer in Riverton. I’m not clear what her job is, but I know she’s already facing quite a culture shock, moving from the city of 300,000 to a town of 10,000.

322 Mattand  Jun 18, 2014 10:09:33pm

re: #317 goddamnedfrank

Wyoming Republicans don’t care that she came out against gay marriage, they hate gay marriage. The fact that she was fucking over her sister may have made her opposition seem more craven and opportunistic but for all anybody knows she’s genuinely bigoted, just like the vast majority of the Republican party is on the issue. it was the fishing license shenanigans that killed her chances.

Wyoming is a sportsman’s state, they take poaching and violating wildlife laws pretty seriously, and her lying on the fishing license application was too blatantly connected to her trying to overcome her carpetbagger status. It was obvious her team knew that a lot of photo ops in Wyoming get done while fly fishing, and her father’s secret service codename was “Angler.” So she needed a license, but having it come out that she had an out-of-state license would have been disastrous, so she deliberately took the risk and lied about living in the state for more than a year.

LOL Wyoming Republicans: giving a shit more about fishing licenses than civil rights because OMG TEH GAYZ!!!!!

323 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2014 10:10:14pm

re: #321 wheat-dogghazi

Speaking of the great state of Wyoming, one of my students here is working the summer in Riverton. I’m not clear what her job is, but I know she’s already facing quite a culture shock, moving from the city of 300,000 to a town of 10,000.

The Jackson Hole area is amazing. Unfortunately it seems as if every cock bag redneck multi-millionaire in America has decided to build a fucking ginormous lodge complex there out of nothing but old growth forest logs, antlers and architectural cancer.

324 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 18, 2014 10:14:55pm

re: #323 goddamnedfrank

The Jackson Hole area is amazing. Unfortunately it seems as if every cock bag redneck multi-millionaire in America has decided to build a fucking ginormous lodge complex there out of nothing but old growth forest logs, antlers and architectural cancer.

I loved Jackson Hole when I visited there back in the late ’70s, when I was working in Casper. I can only imagine what it looks like now.

Riverton, BTW, is quite a ways from Jackson Hole. It’s near (or within - I forget) the Wind River Indian Reservation.

325 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2014 10:18:09pm

P.S. I like this new subtle move to cast gay marriage opposition as an unpopular or inauthentic stance for Republicans. I can see it becoming a trend.

“Clueless” star and Fox News’ contributor Stacey Dash says Republicans are not against same-sex marriage, despite what you might have heard.

The 47-year-old was out for a hike on Friday, June 13, when she was approached by a TMZ cameraman who asked her whether or not the GOP could get more of a younger following if it changed its views on same-sex marriage.

“But we are for equal marriage,” Dash said of her fellow Republicans, “We’re not against that at all. We believe that everyone should have the same right.”

When the cameraman said there are some mixed messages on that front, like from the Tea Party, she continued: “That’s just propaganda, it’s not true. You know? That’s just a certain amount of people. You can’t just throw a blanket over everyone because certain people have one opinion.”

Yeah, it’s a certain amount of Republicans all right, like the vast majority of them. Do idiots like this even read their party’s national platform? Because opposition to gay marriage is right in there as an official plank, and odds are fairly certain that opposition to gay marriage is going to be an official Republican position in 2016. The GOP base just hates gays, period.

So it’s funny to see a certain subset of socially liberal or simply pragmatic GOP defenders try to sell the idea that their party isn’t horribly, atrociously, rotten to the core with anti gay bigotry.

326 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 18, 2014 10:20:11pm

re: #325 goddamnedfrank

The first paragraph explains it all. “Fox News contributor” is almost a synonym for “shallow thinker.”

327 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 10:23:50pm

Wyoming is an interesting state, in that it is inhabited by a whole lot of people who praise G-d for their good fortunes and also soak themselves in the fruits of technology. It’s a strange and tragic dichotomy.

There’s a good 200,000 or so souls who believe everything the GOP says in the state of Wyoming. Pretty weird, actually. And the only places that deviate from the Wyoming political orthodoxy is in the far southeastern part of the state (Cheyenne, Laramie) and the far northwestern part of the state (Jackson, Cody).

Geography.

328 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2014 10:34:38pm

I said more antlers goddammit! I want to feel like an entire species was rendered extinct in order to build this chandelier.

329 klys  Jun 18, 2014 10:36:34pm

re: #328 goddamnedfrank

I said more antlers goddammit! I want to feel like an entire species was rendered extinct in order to build this chandelier.

Ugh, I hate those.

You can do mountain-chalet style without being a giant douche about it.

330 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 10:40:36pm
331 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 18, 2014 10:46:43pm

re: #327 teleskiguy

Wyoming is an interesting state, in that it is inhabited by a whole lot of people who praise G-d for their good fortunes and also soak themselves in the fruits of technology. It’s a strange and tragic dichotomy.

There’s a good 200,000 or so souls who believe everything the GOP says in the state of Wyoming. Pretty weird, actually. And the only places that deviate from the Wyoming political orthodoxy is in the far southeastern part of the state (Cheyenne, Laramie) and the far northwestern part of the state (Jackson, Cody).

Geography.

I’m from Long Island and a non-church-going family. When I came to Wyoming for my first job after college, the first time someone asked, “Are you a Christian?” I was momentarily flabbergasted. It’s the kind of question no one I knew in NY would ever ask someone.

I answered yes, because I was nominally a Presbyterian, but I suspect that was not the kind of Christian they meant.

332 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 10:51:12pm
333 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2014 10:52:00pm

re: #329 klys

Ugh, I hate those.

You can do mountain-chalet style without being a giant douche about it.

Every now and then I get in a phase where I’ll look around in Zillow or Trulia for dream homes, it’s a good way to see some of the weird choices people make. Like this place. It’s been on the market a while now and the price has dropped two million. I looked into it and the guy built it as an entertainment complex, so people could rent it out and hold gatherings there. Only problem is the structures are built right near the property line, his neighbor got sick of the noise and filed a complaint. That resulted in a new county rule that strictly limited the number of large gatherings county property could host through the year.

Anyway the picture below is my point.

If it wasn’t formerly alive and then snuffed out in its prime I don’t want it in my home!

334 klys  Jun 18, 2014 10:53:42pm

re: #333 goddamnedfrank

Every now and then I get in a phase where I’ll look around in Zillow or Trulia for dream homes, it’s a good way to see some of the weird choices people make. Like this place. It’s been on the market a while now and the price has dropped two million. I looked into it and the guy built it as an entertainment complex, so people could rent it out and hold gatherings there. Only problem is the structures are built right near the property line, his neighbor got sick of the noise and filed a complaint. That resulted in a new county rule that strictly limited the number of large gatherings county property could host through the year.

Anyway the picture below is my point.

If it wasn’t formerly alive and then snuffed out in its prime I don’t want it in my home!

I am …speechless.

My current dream homes involve mountain and ocean views at the same time. :( Also, a Japanese style bath room (with waterfall and nice rock surroundings to look natural) and a giant fireplace.

I am not optimistic.

335 Floral Giraffe  Jun 18, 2014 10:54:33pm

re: #333 goddamnedfrank

I have an acquaintance who has a genuine, pre CITES tiger skin, complete with the head. It’s beautiful, in a gross kind of way.

336 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 10:55:27pm

First Wyoming peeps I ever met were weird like me. :D

337 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 10:56:09pm

re: #333 goddamnedfrank

Every now and then I get in a phase where I’ll look around in Zillow or Trulia for dream homes, it’s a good way to see some of the weird choices people make. Like this place. It’s been on the market a while now and the price has dropped two million. I looked into it and the guy built it as an entertainment complex, so people could rent it out and hold gatherings there. Only problem is the structures are built right near the property line, his neighbor got sick of the noise and filed a complaint. That resulted in a new county rule that strictly limited the number of large gatherings county property could host through the year.

Anyway the picture below is my point.

If it wasn’t formerly alive and then snuffed out in its prime I don’t want it in my home!

MURKA!!!!!!!

338 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2014 11:03:15pm

re: #334 klys

I am …speechless.

My current dream homes involve mountain and ocean views at the same time. :( Also, a Japanese style bath room (with waterfall and nice rock surroundings to look natural) and a giant fireplace.

I am not optimistic.

There’s a 1200 acre patch of Big Sur for sale right now. Gorgeous ocean views with semi mountainous / very hilly terrain. It has access problems but fuck it, it’s Big Sur. Only $6 million.

I’m available for caretaking services.

339 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 18, 2014 11:08:21pm

340 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 11:11:28pm
341 Lidane  Jun 18, 2014 11:19:06pm
343 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2014 11:25:44pm

Time to class this place up, get me the architect what built Country Bear Jamboree!

344 Floral Giraffe  Jun 18, 2014 11:28:07pm

re: #338 goddamnedfrank

Beautiful, but I want to be able to walk to the beach!

345 Kragar  Jun 18, 2014 11:28:23pm

Updated my earlier page

Carbon County Sheriff Dwight L. Nothstein has issued an apology for a statement he made during a “Tax Day/Candidates Night” event on April 18.

At the event, Nothstein quoted former Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack as saying that he hoped a sheriff would “take out some IRS agents.”

The Carbon sheriff said he quoted Mack from a magazine article, which has since made a correction.

The corrected quote, said Nothstein, is, “My dear friends. I pray for the day when the first sheriff of this country knows and understand his duty well enough, that he’ll be the first one to fire the next shot around the world and arrest a couple of IRS agents.”

Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

346 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 11:39:01pm

re: #342 goddamnedfrank

You would not believe the frequency of which I have seen houses decorated in such a way. When I was a teenager I worked for a couple of property management agencies so I got to hang around these supremely decadent properties. My favorite was the DeLaLama house in Beaver Creek (Victor DeLaLama died about 4 years ago, so I guess I can speak). A tropical tree grew in the middle of his house in Beaver Creek. There was constant soil mitigation and a complete foundation rebuild (when I was in high school), that was a motherfucker, I’ll tell you what!

Victor spent about two million dollars of his own money (he was a gifted engineer, how he made his money) on this house in Beaver Creek, CO. I only met him a few times, but when he was there he made sure to thank everybody that worked on his property for making it a world-class mountain chalet.

347 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2014 11:46:16pm

re: #346 teleskiguy

Victor was an Argentinian. And he spent most of his time in the US. (Hell, he died in the US) He also let me drive his Porsche 911 Turbo to the top of Vail Pass and back. I miss Victor DelLaLama. He bought property up in Beaver Creek a couple of years before Gerald Ford bought a house up there.

My experience with the top 1%. And dude wasn’t even from the United States.

348 Gus  Jun 18, 2014 11:51:35pm

349 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 12:02:08am

Weren’t we talking about this critter the other day?

I still think it looks like an alien.

350 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 12:07:09am
351 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 12:10:41am

Glenn Beck on Fox tonite talking about how the liberals were right about the Iraq war. Oh, and trying to justify his rantings about the Caliphate.

Some people just will not go away.

352 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 12:26:50am

353 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 2:57:17am

Evidently…

Facebook suffers outage in multiple countries - @couriermail, @CNBCWorld, @itvnews
End of alert

It’s back up and working now; Twitter was having no problems…

354 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 2:59:17am

A lot of British music fans were disappointed when Iron Maiden said they weren’t going to be playing at the Glastonbury Festival, but in this article, frontman Bruce Dickinson spells out the reasons:

Dickinson told the Telegraph: ‘In the days when Glasto was an alternative festival it was quite interesting.

‘Now it’s the most bourgeois thing on the planet. Anywhere Gwyneth Paltrow goes and you can live in an air-conditioned yurt is not for me.

‘We’ll leave the middle classes to do Glastonbury and the rest of the great unwashed will decamp to Knebworth and drink lots of beer and have fun.’

Ah ha..AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

dailymail.co.uk

355 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:12:47am

...

356 Lidane  Jun 19, 2014 3:15:04am

re: #354 Dr Lizardo

A lot of British music fans were disappointed when Iron Maiden said they weren’t going to be playing at the Glastonbury Festival, but in this article, frontman Bruce Dickinson spells out the reasons:

Ah ha..AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

dailymail.co.uk

Haha awesome. Glastonbury also probably told him that he couldn’t do a WW1 dogfight and he told them where to go:

357 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 3:22:51am

re: #354 Dr Lizardo

A lot of British music fans were disappointed when Iron Maiden said they weren’t going to be playing at the Glastonbury Festival, but in this article, frontman Bruce Dickinson spells out the reasons:

Ah ha..AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

dailymail.co.uk

A band named after a torture device is by definition a “guy” band anyway. I think my kids might have listened to them, but it’s just noise to me. : )

Rich musicians who pretend they’re still working class are just hypocrites. I don’t care about his opinion any more than I do Paltrow’s.

358 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:31:17am

re: #357 Justanotherhuman

A band named after a torture device is by definition a “guy” band anyway. I think my kids might have listened to them, but it’s just noise to me. : )

Rich musicians who pretend they’re still working class are just hypocrites. I don’t care about his opinion any more than I do Paltrow’s.

A safari into the working class, heh. The “unwashed” don’t own planes.

359 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 3:39:35am

re: #358 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

A safari into the working class, heh. The “unwashed” don’t own planes.

Maybe Glastonbury wouldn’t allow him to shill his own beer and airline, either. There is always an ulterior motive. People don’t make these decisions out of thin air.

Iron Maiden’s Bruce Dickinson is close to getting his airline off the ground
The legendary vocalist of Iron Maiden explains to James Quinn how to juggle rock and aviation - and a new beer.

telegraph.co.uk

360 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:40:19am

re: #359 Justanotherhuman

Maybe Glastonbury wouldn’t allow him to shill his own beer and airline, either. There is always an ulterior motive. People don’t make these decisions out of thin air.

Iron Maiden’s Bruce Dickinson is close to getting his airline off the ground
The legendary vocalist of Iron Maiden explains to James Quinn how to juggle rock and aviation - and a new beer.

telegraph.co.uk

LOLOLOL.

362 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:58:31am

re: #361 Varek Raith

Georgia man accidentally shoots his own penis while trying to holster gun

Hopefully that means he won’t reproduce.

363 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 4:02:03am

re: #360 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

LOLOLOL.

Bruce Dickinson is one of the guys that seems to have the energy levels normally associated with at least two or three adults.

This is Cardiff Aviation, the company spoken of in the Telegraph article.

cardiffaviation.com

364 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 4:04:09am

re: #361 Varek Raith

Georgia man accidentally shoots his own penis while trying to holster gun

Obviously interpreting that line “The gun is good - the penis is evil” literally.

365 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 4:06:39am

“Death and Taxes reported in January of 2013 that at least five American men have shot off their penises since 2010. “

ETA: From that same GA man story.

366 Varek Raith  Jun 19, 2014 4:08:00am

Why anyone would holster a gun there is beyond me.

367 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 4:11:13am

One commenter wrote a song…LOL

♫ I shot the penis
But I did not shoot the testicles.

All around where I might be,
They’ll point ‘n laugh at me;
They’ll say I’m just an ammosexual fool
For the shooting of a family jewel,
That I shot my family jewel.

But I say
♫ I shot the penis
But I didn’t shoot no testicles

368 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 4:12:28am

re: #367 Justanotherhuman

One commenter wrote a song…LOL

♫ I shot the penis
But I did not shoot the testicles.

All around where I might be,
They’ll point ‘n laugh at me;
They’ll say I’m just an ammosexual fool
For the shooting of a family jewel,
That I shot my family jewel.

But I say
♫ I shot the penis
But I didn’t shoot no testicles

LOL

369 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 4:15:19am

Charney has some real problems, it seems.

American Apparel dumps founder and CEO

france24.com

“Struggling international fashion label American Apparel said Thursday it is firing its founder and chief executive as part of an “investigation into alleged misconduct”.

“Canadian Dov Charney has been suspended and will be let go in the next 30 days, the company said in a statement.

“Charney, who was known for sometimes walking around his factories in his underpants, has been accused of sexual harassment by several of his own employees.” more

Holy crap.

370 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 4:17:54am

re: #369 Justanotherhuman

“Charney, who was known for sometimes walking around his factories in his underpants, has been accused of sexual harassment by several of his own employees.”

O_O

WTF? That’s beyond bizarre.

371 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2014 4:33:38am

re: #361 Varek Raith

Georgia man accidentally shoots his own penis while trying to holster gun

Throughout the land, every guy shivered just a little bit when he read that story.

372 Lidane  Jun 19, 2014 4:39:04am
373 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 4:41:12am

re: #321 wheat-dogghazi

Speaking of the great state of Wyoming, one of my students here is working the summer in Riverton. I’m not clear what her job is, but I know she’s already facing quite a culture shock, moving from the city of 300,000 to a town of 10,000.

I’m reading the Joe Pickett mystery series by C.J. Box which are set in Wyoming. Great stuff. It would be an awesome TV series: cowboys, detectives, crime, wildlife, great scenery!

374 BongCrodny  Jun 19, 2014 4:52:49am

re: #361 Varek Raith

Georgia man accidentally shoots his own penis while trying to holster gun

Guess it didn’t listen when he said “Reach for the sky!”

375 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 4:53:46am

ASSHOLE.

376 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 19, 2014 4:56:52am

re: #373 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m reading the Joe Pickett mystery series by C.J. Box which are set in Wyoming. Great stuff. It would be an awesome TV series: cowboys, detectives, crime, wildlife, great scenery!

Oh, I gotta check those out! I miss Wyoming. Not the winters, especially, but the scenery, the fresh air and the x-country skiing

377 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 4:58:56am

re: #375 Pie-onist Overlord

“Actually murder is a legal term, and as of 1943, gassing Jews was not murder in Nazi Germany”

So US is Nazi Germany acc. to Matt Barber?

378 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 5:00:31am

re: #377 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

“Actually murder is a legal term, and as of 1943, gassing Jews was not murder in Nazi Germany”

So US is Nazi Germany acc. to Matt Barber?

He has made that comparison a number of times. It’s just baffling why the GAYstapo hasn’t put him in a death camp. We have THE. MOST. INCOMPETENT. GAYSTAPO. EVER.

379 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 19, 2014 5:01:34am

re: #378 Pie-onist Overlord

He has made that comparison a number of times. It’s just baffling why the GAYstapo hasn’t put him in a death camp. We have THE. MOST. INCOMPETENT. GAYSTAPO. EVER.

They’re still picking out the uniforms …
/

380 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 5:03:20am

I see there was discussion fireflies/lightning bugs while I was sleeping.
We have loads of them here in the backwoods, as well as glow worms.
But even better than those, we have foxfire up in the woods. That stuff is totally magical.

381 Lidane  Jun 19, 2014 5:03:45am

re: #379 wheat-dogghazi

They’re still picking out the uniforms …
/

Hugo Boss was good enough for the real Nazis. Why not go with them?

382 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 5:04:33am

re: #378 Pie-onist Overlord

But tackling his argument seriously for a second.

True, Führerbefehl was a principle that overrode the laws on the books (acc. to which any murder of Jews was indeed murder, i.e. an illegal killing). So in a sense it was not legally murder if one accepts the Führerprinip as a legitimate legal principle (as the Nazis did). I obviously think the murder of Jews was also legally murder in Germany because I don’t accept the legitimacy of the Führerprinzip. Which Matt Barber apparently does.

There is, of course, no analogy to the Führerprinzip in the American jurisprudence.

383 Lidane  Jun 19, 2014 5:06:10am

More Photoshop fodder for Gus:

384 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 19, 2014 5:09:16am

re: #382 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Matt is invoking the Barberprinzip.

385 Lidane  Jun 19, 2014 5:10:14am

Fox News blonde has stopped clock moment on TV:

386 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 5:12:35am
387 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 5:17:20am
388 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 19, 2014 5:21:21am

re: #387 Pie-onist Overlord

You having a Twitter-bate with someone?

389 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 5:23:06am

Aaah the guy is a Koch shill. Muted.

390 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 19, 2014 5:29:58am

re: #389 Pie-onist Overlord

I added Open Season to my Kindle. It’ll be part of my summer reading list.

Joe Pickett is in Twelve Sleep, Wyo. There really is a place called Ten Sleep in Wyoming. Nice town tucked in the mountains.

391 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 5:31:55am

Those lying bastards…

NATO: Russians resume military buildup near Ukraine, ‘several thousand’ more troops deployed - @AP
End of alert

392 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 5:33:27am

re: #390 wheat-dogghazi

I added Open Season to my Kindle. It’ll be part of my summer reading list.

Joe Pickett is in Twelve Sleep, Wyo. There really is a place called Ten Sleep in Wyoming. Nice town tucked in the mountains.

The books are short and fun reads so download several.

393 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 5:33:33am

re: #391 Justanotherhuman

Those lying bastards…

NATO: Russians resume military buildup near Ukraine, ‘several thousand’ more troops deployed - @AP
End of alert

There are unconfirmed rumors that Russia may yet try to invade under the pretense of a “peacekeeping mission” to “prevent both sides” from violence.

394 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 5:33:58am

Another Good Guy With A Gun

395 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 5:35:05am

re: #394 Pie-onist Overlord

At some point I’ll be like “Fuck it, you should not have gun nuts for friends.”

396 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 19, 2014 5:35:15am

re: #392 Pie-onist Overlord

Okey dokey.

397 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 5:43:49am

The Führerbefehl with Adolf Hitler: Kill every Hitler!

Youtube Video

398 Lidane  Jun 19, 2014 5:45:12am
399 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 5:55:25am

HE’S AN ACCUSED RAPIST AVOIDING JUSTICE. NOT A HERO.

400 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 5:56:22am

re: #398 Lidane

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Labrador himself was born in Puerto Rico, therefore is a US citizen. He’s also a Mormon and libertarian.

I wonder if he recognized Ingraham’s racism?

401 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 5:58:07am

re: #394 Pie-onist Overlord

Another Good Guy With A Gun

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Drunks and guns—how does that work again?

402 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 5:58:59am
403 GunstarGreen  Jun 19, 2014 5:59:13am

re: #394 Pie-onist Overlord

Another Good Guy With A Gun

[Embedded content]

Oh hey, another Responsible, Law-Abiding Gun Owner™.

404 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 6:02:26am

That was the 4 yr old…

405 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 6:07:01am

re: #404 Justanotherhuman

uy7trywrui

Now we all know your password.

406 b.d.  Jun 19, 2014 6:11:36am

re: #405 Pie-onist Overlord

Now we all know your password.

I think jah was sending an encrypted message of happy anniversary to Assange.

//

407 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 6:15:09am
408 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 6:19:48am

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

aww

409 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 6:24:20am

So, when Greenwald was writing for Cato and supporting the Iraq war, his politics weren’t “fully formed”?

GG has always been political…and ambitious. It helped having a grandfather who was influential, also.

articles.sun-sentinel.com

He came in 4th.

articles.sun-sentinel.com

410 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 6:25:31am
411 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 6:32:11am

Woot!

Ukraine’s President Poroshenko says he will sign the association agreement with the European Union on June 27 - @Reuters
End of alert

412 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 6:34:23am

Actually, this is my password. : )

yuyyynjuyhhjuhhhnbgbvn myi0l6;phiikio8-u0i9=345t8 113[i4 jj’;kmxuuyujkijdhbnui yjm5noliuy9jgy kiby9hjgklbmtlitnkyif5i6ryf7hh jjyhjuyuggyuvuyu54uygfbtbdnebdhgghj54bnk56jbygtrtrergtd455gfrtghf3xhhbjujugtygrjyuy56t5yh5tyxrghjh6gtjhyttr8iyuufyighyturgtgu

413 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 6:36:34am

re: #412 Justanotherhuman

Actually, this is my password. : )

yuyyynjuyhhjuhhhnbgbvn myi0l6;phiikio8-u0i9=345t8 113[i4 jj’;kmxuuyujkijdhbnui yjm5noliuy9jgy kiby9hjgklbmtlitnkyif5i6ryf7hh jjyhjuyuggyuvuyu54uygfbtbdnebdhgghj54bnk56jbygtrtrergtd455gfrtghf3xhhbjujugtygrjyuy56t5yh5tyxrghjh6gtjhyttr8iyuufyighyturgtgu

Yaaaay it worked!

414 bratwurst  Jun 19, 2014 6:36:57am
415 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 6:38:40am

re: #414 bratwurst

After the HRC Squirrel shook hands with Hillary yesterday, the Tea Party announced they’re looking for a True Conservative to primary him.

LOL

416 Teukka  Jun 19, 2014 6:39:05am

And this is happening right now in Stockholm, Sweden:

Bomb threat in Stockholm’s Old Town

TL;DR is that some guy has walked into the HQ of the ruling Moderate Party (conservative) with a bomb belt, and has also made threats against the Social Democrat party HQ.

And Civil Rights Defenders HQ is also involved somehow. More as I get more info.

417 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2014 6:39:13am

re: #399 Pie-onist Overlord

HE’S AN ACCUSED RAPIST AVOIDING JUSTICE. NOT A HERO.

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I wonder if Assange doesn’t consider it rape because of his libertarian exercise of individual rights and the fact nothing can be kept form him exercising his free will.

Of course, it doesn’t say anything about the women involved having any individual rights…but when has anyone else’s rights had any bearing on the Great Julian?

///+///

418 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 6:40:36am

re: #417 ObserverArt

I wonder if Assange doesn’t consider it rape because of his libertarian exercise of individual rights and the fact nothing can be kept form him exercising his free will.

Of course, it doesn’t say anything about the women involved having any individual rights…but when has anyone else’s rights had any bearing on the Great Julian?

///+///

Is is alleged to have had sex with a woman while she was asleep. Apparently he thinks that because she was asleep IN A BED that implies consent.

419 b.d.  Jun 19, 2014 6:40:54am

re: #414 bratwurst

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Hahahahahahaha

That squirrel is a Rino!!

420 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 19, 2014 6:41:22am

re: #416 Teukka

And this is happening right now in Stockholm, Sweden:

Bomb threat in Stockholm’s Old Town

TL;DR is that some guy has walked into the HQ of the ruling Moderate Party (conservative) with a bomb belt, and has also made threats against the Social Democrat party HQ.

And Civil Rights Defenders HQ is also involved somehow. More as I get more info.

Well now, how much of an anger / impulse control problem do you have to have to bring a bomb to the Moderate party?!

421 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 19, 2014 6:44:36am
422 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2014 6:47:29am

re: #418 Pie-onist Overlord

Is is alleged to have had sex with a woman while she was asleep. Apparently he thinks that because she was asleep IN A BED that implies consent.

Leads me to question not only his ethics, but his enthusiasm.

423 geoffm33  Jun 19, 2014 6:54:41am

re: #387 Pie-onist Overlord

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Sorry, this is all I can think about now:

Youtube Video

It runs on water man!

424 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 6:54:50am

In which GG pushes a Robert Kagan lie.

425 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 6:56:46am

re: #423 geoffm33

Sorry, this is all I can think about now:

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Video

It runs on water man!

It’s impossible to have a conversation with somebody who believes there is some kind of Galtian “100mpg engine” out there and the only reason we don’t have it is because CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!

426 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 6:57:24am
427 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:00:17am

re: #370 Dr Lizardo

O_O

WTF? That’s beyond bizarre.

I think that would happen exactly once in an American business. Somehow human resources would find a way to refer the person to “services” and arrange a long-term disability retirement.

428 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 19, 2014 7:00:28am

re: #425 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s impossible to have a conversation with somebody who believes there is some kind of Galtian “100mpg engine” out there and the only reason we don’t have it is because CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!

This notion of a car that runs on water, or the 100-mpg carburetor, refuses to die. If you google “water gas” or “HHO,” you’ll turn up all kinds of sites promising a cheap kit to turn your car into a 100-mpg wondercar.

If it were only so easy …

429 lawhawk  Jun 19, 2014 7:02:15am

re: #428 wheat-dogghazi

If it was so easy to get a 100mpg engine, everyone would be doing it.

But they’re not, so it can’t possibly be because some conspiracy has led to keeping everything suffering with engines that simply can’t deliver on that.

Some really smart people have been working on the problem for decades to no avail.

It’s all so much wishful thinking.

430 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:02:20am

re: #377 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

“Actually murder is a legal term, and as of 1943, gassing Jews was not murder in Nazi Germany”

So US is Nazi Germany acc. to Matt Barber?

Yeah, the Nazi’s didn’t consider it murder. And we always agree with the Nazi’s

431 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 7:03:02am

re: #426 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ugh, this does not make sense even in the faux Realpolitik-vulgar Machiavellian sense, because the social status of a sexual assault victim brings nothing but trouble.

432 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:03:49am

re: #385 Lidane

Fox News blonde has stopped clock moment on TV:

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Yeah, I noticed Fox is positioning itself to be on the “winning” side of whatever happens in Iraq.

433 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 19, 2014 7:05:35am

re: #429 lawhawk

If it was so easy to get a 100mpg engine, everyone would be doing it.

But they’re not, so it can’t possibly be because some conspiracy has led to keeping everything suffering with engines that simply can’t deliver on that.

Some really smart people have been working on the problem for decades to no avail.

It’s all so much wishful thinking.

I devoted a blog post to water gas and HHO some years ago. Some people do not understand the laws of physics, nor how cars work, so they picture electrolysis as a “free energy” source of the future.

They just don’t get it, and trying to explain that there is no such thing as free energy is truly frustrating.

434 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:05:44am

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That is truly awesome!

435 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:08:14am

re: #417 ObserverArt

I wonder if Assange doesn’t consider it rape because of his libertarian exercise of individual rights and the fact nothing can be kept form him exercising his free will.

Of course, it doesn’t say anything about the women involved having any individual rights…but when has anyone else’s rights had any bearing on the Great Julian?

///+///

Yah know, his thinking was probably that they were in bed and had already had sex. What I don’t get is the guys that don’t wear a condom when they don’t want to have a child with the woman they are raping. Maybe they just don’t care.

But the whole, “sanctity of creating a new life” only seems to be a big deal when abortion is involved as a possible outcome.

If people really cared about creating new life, they would use birth control religiously.

436 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:08:34am

re: #418 Pie-onist Overlord

Is is alleged to have had sex with a woman while she was asleep. Apparently he thinks that because she was asleep IN A BED that implies consent.

and he didn’t wear a condom when he did it.

437 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 7:09:09am

re: #433 wheat-dogghazi

I devoted a blog post to water gas and HHO some years ago. Some people do not understand the laws of physics, nor how cars work, so they picture electrolysis as a “free energy” source of the future.

They just don’t get it, and trying to explain that there is no such thing as free energy is truly frustrating.

Here is an article explaining how difficult it would be to achieve 100mpg in a gasoline engine. There is math.

438 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 7:10:14am

re: #420 Rightwingconspirator

Well now, how much of an anger / impulse control problem do you have to have to bring a bomb to the Moderate party?!

The pure and righteous brook no compromise. To many, those who favor it are arguably *worse* than the normal enemy.

439 piratedan  Jun 19, 2014 7:10:18am

re: #426 Backwoods_Sleuth

well maybe if George will go fuck himself, he can claim that status for himself, since it’s a desired coveted status….

440 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:10:54am

re: #428 wheat-dogghazi

This notion of a car that runs on water, or the 100-mpg carburetor, refuses to die. If you google “water gas” or “HHO,” you’ll turn up all kinds of sites promising a cheap kit to turn your car into a 100-mpg wondercar.

If it were only so easy …

being as mathmatically and mechanically impaired as I am — even I can conjur that water isn’t going to reduce friction of metal parts AND it doesn’t catch fire.

Some kind person explained once to me to make the engine run, one needs Fuel and Fire.

441 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:11:21am

re: #433 wheat-dogghazi

I devoted a blog post to water gas and HHO some years ago. Some people do not understand the laws of physics, nor how cars work, so they picture electrolysis as a “free energy” source of the future.

They just don’t get it, and trying to explain that there is no such thing as free energy is truly frustrating.

COLD FUSION!!!!!

:0

442 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:13:07am

re: #439 piratedan

well maybe if George will go fuck himself, he can claim it for himself, since it’s a desired coveted status….

Still trying to wrap my head around this one:

rapist’s pursuit of sexual freedom

443 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 7:13:33am

re: #433 wheat-dogghazi

Youtube Video

444 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 7:14:35am

re: #429 lawhawk

If it was so easy to get a 100mpg engine, everyone would be doing it.

But they’re not, so it can’t possibly be because some conspiracy has led to keeping everything suffering with engines that simply can’t deliver on that.

Some really smart people have been working on the problem for decades to no avail.

It’s all so much wishful thinking.

Hey, if the rate of radioactive decay can vary*, why can’t the energy release capability of burning hydrogen be massively increased due to wishful thinking and a small device added to your car?

* - That’s one of the YEC dodges for attempting to have a 6,000 year old Earth by making radioactive dating an invalid way to measure age. And even then it fails miserably for a number of reasons.

445 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 19, 2014 7:16:15am

Two Texas men arrested in terror-related cases

(CNN) — Two men have been arrested in connection with terror-related activities, a U.S. attorney in Texas said Wednesday.

Michael Todd Wolfe, 23, of Austin, was arrested Tuesday at George H.W. Bush Houston Intercontinental Airport just before he boarded a flight to Europe, authorities said in a statement.

Wolfe is charged “with attempting to provide material support to terrorists.” He “planned to travel to the Middle East to provide his services to radical groups engaged in armed conflict in Syria,” according to a complaint.

…Rahatul Ashikim Khan, 23, of Round Rock, was arrested in a separate case at his home and charged with “conspiring to provide material support to terrorists.”

A complaint said Khan “conspired with others to recruit persons to travel overseas to support terrorist activities including committing violent jihad” during a period from early 2011 to January 2012.

“This case is the culmination of a long-term investigation by the FBI and the Joint Terrorism Task Force made up of local, state and federal law enforcement agencies in Central Texas. It’s a textbook example of how well law enforcement agencies in this area work together,” U.S. Attorney Robert Pitman said in a statement.

446 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:16:19am
447 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 7:17:39am

Setting the Record Straight on a Polarizing Debate

A Pew study shines a spotlight on how sharply parties have diverged, and it’s crucial the public knows how this impacts their government.

448 lawhawk  Jun 19, 2014 7:17:52am

Memo to people who use Nazi/Holocaust imagery for every perceived slight, issue, and event.

There are no valid comparisons/analogies that can be made to what the Nazis did and what the Holocaust was unless you’re actually talking about an actual government policy that led to the systematic death of an entire race/ethnic group/creed/sexual orientation because of who they were and what they represented. I’m talking about genocide and democide, as well as the systematic deprivation of all rights of the target group.

Abortion does not equal genocide or the Holocaust. Those who call for the access to abortion are not Nazis.

Moreover, those who call for equal rights for all people, including but not limited to women, minorities, and LBGT, are not Nazis because your rights are being deprived (and yes, I’m referring to the idiots who think that expanding marriage to gays and lesbians somehow reduces their own marriages or those who think that they should be allowed to not serve gays or minorities because of “religious freedoms” (which itself is code for being a hater).

Anyone who’s using the Nazi/Holocaust imagery for these kinds of issues is demeaning those words, which are necessarily powerful because they are so singular and unique in history - the systematic near elimination of an entire people across Europe in the span of a few years.

You know what are equivalents to the Nazi/Holocaust imagery? Genocides and democides in places like Rwanda, Congo, Cambodia, etc. Laws that eliminate rights of entire groups of people, such as the laws restricting gays from public activities in Uganda.

[deleted] How many times do we have to go down this route, and often with the same asshats - Barber being one who repeatedly goes there. It pisses me off to no end, and it’s extremely upsetting to those who actually lived through the Holocaust and those who know what the Holocaust and the Nazis actually did and not some warped worldview where everything is a Nazi/Holocaust waiting to happen.

449 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:18:02am
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Americans’ confidence in Congress has sunk to a new low. Seven percent of Americans say they have “a great deal” or “quite a lot” of confidence in Congress as an American institution, down from the previous low of 10% in 2013. This confidence is starkly different from the 42% in 1973, the first year Gallup began asking the question.

Which Party is in power?

450 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 7:19:02am

re: #445 NJDhockeyfan

Two Texas men arrested in terror-related cases

I’m seeing a lot of headlines from US, EU, UK and Australia worrying about fighters coming and going from Syria and back home. What a mess.

451 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:19:12am

re: #448 lawhawk

You know what are equivalents to the Nazi/Holocaust imagery? Genocides and democides in places like Rwanda, Congo, Cambodia, etc. Laws that eliminate rights of entire groups of people, such as the laws restricting gays from public activities in Uganda.

QFT

452 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:21:00am

Dick Cheney, did you really want to go there?

The infinitely valuable Yiddish word chutzpah is defined as “shameless audacity” or “impudence.”

It’s singularly appropriate for the astonishing op-ed from former vice president Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz that was published in the Wall Street Journal on Wednesday. It’s not every day that a leader of the previous administration suggests that the current president is a “fool” and accuses him of intentionally weakening the United States.

“President Obama seems determined to leave office ensuring he has taken America down a notch,” the Cheneys write. Are they charging our president with treason? “President Obama,” they write, “is on track to securing his legacy as the man who betrayed our past and squandered our freedom.”

453 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 7:21:39am

re: #445 NJDhockeyfan

This sounds like the US law enforcement was onto these guys from the get-go. Curious what got them focused on so quickly, but also don’t want that revealed if it is effective (and legally) finding the radical jihadis before they do something destructive.

I half-expect that the FBI or other group is operating some sort of operation where they have “honey pot” style recruiters out there that are riding the edge of entrapment in trying to attract and identify the radicals who are looking at making the step over into violence. And I guess there is also some deterrence value in there being rumor or actual knowledge of an operation like this since at that point you generate suspicion about radicals advocating violence or going to Syria to fight.

454 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 7:21:43am

re: #448 lawhawk

One more exception to the Nazi comparisons - comparisons to the early years of the Nazi party and govt (i.e. before the mass murder) are also allowed if there are good reasons to think that we’re dealing with the same danger in a particular case.

455 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 7:23:31am

re: #448 lawhawk

Barber has caught a mutated version of Giuliani virus.

456 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 7:24:31am

re: #454 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

One more exception to the Nazi comparisons - the comparison to the early years of the Nazi party and govt (i.e. before the mass murder) are also allowed if there are good reasons to think that we’re dealing with the same danger in a particular case.

This comparison gets used A LOT by wingnuts trying to apply it to Obama.

457 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 7:24:46am

re: #456 Pie-onist Overlord

This comparison gets used A LOT by wingnuts trying to apply it to Obama.

Sure, but they’re wrong.

458 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 7:25:13am
459 lawhawk  Jun 19, 2014 7:27:45am

re: #454 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

That’s the bit that Barber and others try to capitalize on - claiming that everything is a precursor to the rise of Nazis. That includes everything from gun regulations (even thought he Nazis actually liberalized the gun ownership rules instituted during the early Weimar Republic all while prohibiting them for Jews - as part of the Nuremberg laws) to abortion and presidential policies that the right doesn’t like (which is pretty much everything).

The other reminder about the Nazis and Jews is that roughly 100,000 Jews in Germany were killed during the Holocaust, the remaining 5.9+ million were killed outside Germany proper. They were in countries overrun by the Nazis during their years of conquest: Poland, Russia being the primary areas where the Nazis slaughtered Jews en masse (though I know you know that).

460 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 7:27:53am

For example, there is nothing wrong with comparing Putin’s actions in the Crimea with Hitler’s actions in, say, Austria or Sudetenland.

461 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:28:43am
462 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 7:29:02am

re: #459 lawhawk

That’s the bit that Barber and others try to capitalize on - claiming that everything is a precursor to the rise of Nazis.

Sure, but they’re simply wrong as to the facts. It doesn’t make the limited use of early-Nazi-comparisons invalid per se.

463 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 7:30:50am

re: #458 Pie-onist Overlord

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Well, limited airstrikes and “bombing Iraq” are 2 entirely different things.

The difference between US fighters and drones are, too.

As is telling Iraq to implement its own strikes with its own air force.

Nuance, how does that work, friend of GG’s, Josh Rogin?

464 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 7:32:32am

re: #460 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

For example, there is nothing wrong with comparing Putin’s actions in the Crimea with Hitler’s actions in, say, Austria or Sudetenland.

In fact:

washingtonpost.com

“Now if this sounds familiar, it’s what Hitler did back in the ’30s,” Clinton said Tuesday, according to the Long Beach Press-Telegram. “All the Germans that were … the ethnic Germans, the Germans by ancestry who were in places like Czechoslovakia and Romania and other places, Hitler kept saying they’re not being treated right. I must go and protect my people, and that’s what’s gotten everybody so nervous.”

465 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 19, 2014 7:33:59am

re: #440 FemNaziBitch

being as mathmatically and mechanically impaired as I am — even I can conjur that water isn’t going to reduce friction of metal parts AND it doesn’t catch fire.

Some kind person explained once to me to make the engine run, one needs Fuel and Fire.

The HHO/water gas scam proposes to use the electricity produced by the engine to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, then inject those gases into the combustion chamber to make the car go further on a gallon of gasoline. In practice, the additional mileage is negligible, because you have to burn fuel to produce the electricity. But try to explain that to a True Believer.

466 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 7:35:10am

LOLWHUT

467 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 7:37:15am

This is YET ANOTHER INAPPROPRIATE use of the Holocaust:

468 piratedan  Jun 19, 2014 7:38:09am

re: #466 Pie-onist Overlord

GG wants us to believe that a Politico link contains evidence of tough and insightful questions to R’s… what did they ask them, what did you have for breakfast or where did you buy that tie?

469 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 7:38:53am

re: #468 piratedan

GG wants us to believe that a Politico link contains evidence of tough and insightful questions to R’s… what did they ask them, what did you have for breakfast or where did you buy that tie?

“Why don’t you hate Obama enough?”
;p ////

470 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 19, 2014 7:39:47am

re: #466 Pie-onist Overlord

I suspect GG is a closeted Republican.

471 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2014 7:40:09am

re: #440 FemNaziBitch

being as mathmatically and mechanically impaired as I am — even I can conjur that water isn’t going to reduce friction of metal parts AND it doesn’t catch fire.

Some kind person explained once to me to make the engine run, one needs Fuel and Fire.

The big hope has always been that hydrogen content. Hydrogen go boom nicely. Actually so does Oxygen. But when the two are combined making water…not so much. So folks always had the hope to extract and separate the hydrogen right before it needs to go boom in the engine’s cylinder and not go boom all over the place and blow the car and people right off the road!

And just for your education…diesel engines only require “fire” (glow-plug) to get them going until they are warmed up to the hot temps needed for the fuel to go boom. They work on the heat and the fuel being compacted (pressured) in the cylinder where the fuel then explodes from the heat and compression.

Warning: Extremely simplistic explanations with humor added.

: )

EDIT…I’m slow…Wheat beat me to some of it.

472 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:40:20am

473 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:40:35am
474 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 7:41:07am

re: #470 wheat-dogghazi

I suspect GG is a closeted Republican.

It’s much easier to be an “anti-war libertarian” than do any serious thinking about what that means.

475 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 7:41:47am

re: #470 wheat-dogghazi

I suspect GG is a closeted Republican.

Nope. GG is solely pro-GG. It just so happens that since anti-Obama can get you paid his writings share a direction with GOP writings. If anything he is anti-establishment since “edgy” and anti-authoritarian pays. Put a Republican in the White House and GG will oppose him as well.

476 b.d.  Jun 19, 2014 7:42:10am

Greenwald is grasping at straws looking like a fool.

Meanwhile, Pierre has done more to silence the Dudebro media than anyone else alive and I wish to thank him.

477 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 7:42:34am

Everyone is knee-jerking over Iraq anyway.

At least Pres Obama is giving the situation the serious thought its people deserve.

478 b.d.  Jun 19, 2014 7:42:44am

re: #474 Justanotherhuman

It’s much easier to be an “anti-war libertarian” than do any serious thinking about what that means.

Anti-everything libertarian is more like it.

479 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 7:42:57am

re: #476 b.d.

Meanwhile, Pierre has done more to silence the Dudebro media than anyone else alive and I wish to thank him.

Haha.

480 blueraven  Jun 19, 2014 7:43:08am

re: #447 Killgore Trout

Setting the Record Straight on a Polarizing Debate

Yes, and it shows this

Here, the evidence is overwhelming and clear. As Princeton political scientist Nolan McCarty wrote about Congress, “The evidence points to a major partisan asymmetry in polarization. Despite the widespread belief that both parties have moved to the extremes, the movement of the Republican Party to the right accounts for most of the divergence between the two parties.” Take a look at the chart shown here, based on one from our report “Vital Statistics on Congress,” now on the Brookings Institution website.

also, quite relevant

It is not surprising that few people would actually read a voluminous and richly detailed study of public attitudes, but would rely on CliffsNotes versions and casual analysis. It is not surprising that some partisans, and others who are uncomfortable with a characterization that pinpoints one side more than another, would seize on the casual analysis to try to disprove the uncomfortable thesis, including by conflating the public with the politicians and political actors. But it is important to set the record straight.

481 lawhawk  Jun 19, 2014 7:44:20am

re: #466 Pie-onist Overlord

He doesn’t get out much, does he?

482 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 19, 2014 7:46:52am

re: #475 Feline Fearless Leader

Nope. GG is solely pro-GG. It just so happens that since anti-Obama can get you paid his writings share a direction with GOP writings. If anything he is anti-establishment since “edgy” and anti-authoritarian pays. Put a Republican in the White House and GG will oppose him as well.

I don’t doubt it. Greenwald is a weathervane.

483 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2014 7:47:23am

re: #453 Feline Fearless Leader

This sounds like the US law enforcement was onto these guys from the get-go. Curious what got them focused on so quickly, but also don’t want that revealed if it is effective (and legally) finding the radical jihadis before they do something destructive.

I half-expect that the FBI or other group is operating some sort of operation where they have “honey pot” style recruiters out there that are riding the edge of entrapment in trying to attract and identify the radicals who are looking at making the step over into violence. And I guess there is also some deterrence value in there being rumor or actual knowledge of an operation like this since at that point you generate suspicion about radicals advocating violence or going to Syria to fight.

Makes me wonder if some of the NSA ‘tools’ had some bearing on all of this.

484 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 7:47:25am

re: #467 Pie-onist Overlord

This is YET ANOTHER INAPPROPRIATE use of the Holocaust:

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What the fuck is wrong with them? Always trying to co-opt the Holocaust because people want reasonable gun policies because there’s what feels like a mass shooting every day. I don’t sit around calling them Nazis even though they scapegoat minority groups like the you know who did.

485 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:47:33am

486 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 7:49:44am

re: #483 ObserverArt

Makes me wonder if some of the NSA ‘tools’ had some bearing on all of this.

I suspect a combination of operations - which hopefully have some coordination in order to be more effective. Find out who is worthy of watching more closely, and also take legal steps that discredit the attractiveness of violence as the chosen option for activity.

487 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 7:50:06am

re: #485 FemNaziBitch

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Zing :).

488 blueraven  Jun 19, 2014 7:50:45am

Obama to make statement on Iraq at 12:30 ET

489 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2014 7:51:27am

re: #437 Pie-onist Overlord

Here is an article explaining how difficult it would be to achieve 100mpg in a gasoline engine. There is math.

Some of the mythology might originate in the Allied and Axis aircraft engines of WWII. Several used a water/methanol mix in the supercharger for a ‘sprint’ powerburst. The cooling produced an anti-knock effect that kept the f/a mixture from detonating early.

490 iossarian  Jun 19, 2014 7:51:32am

re: #488 blueraven

Obama to make statement on Iraq at 12:30 ET

The adult in the room.

491 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:51:39am

Today’s South is boldly moving backward

But the New South has returned with a vengeance, led by a ruling white caste now putting in place policies likely to create a vast economic and social gap between most Southern states and those in the North, upper Midwest and Pacific region. As in the late 19th century, the Southern elite appears to believe that the only way their region can persuade companies to relocate there is by taking the low road: keeping wages down and social benefits skimpy. They seem to regard any trade union as the vanguard of a Northern army of occupation.

This is, however, not just a product of racial fears and resentments. Instead it appears to reflect an increasingly inbreed Southern hostility to the exercise of economic regulatory power on virtually any level. As in the 19th century, many in the South, including a considerable proportion of the white working-class, have been persuaded that the federal government is their enemy.

As in the New South era, Southern whites, both elite and plebian, have adopted an insular and defensive posture toward the rest of the nation and toward newcomers in their own region. Echoing the Jim Crow election laws promulgated by Southern states at the turn of the 20th century, the new wave of 21st century voting restrictions promise to sharply curb the Southern franchise, white, black, and brown.

492 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 7:52:32am

re: #484 HappyWarrior

It’s also stupid because what exactly would have changed, if the German Jews also had guns? They didn’t believe they were being sent to their deaths in the first place. And if they resisted, they would still have been killed, just mostly not in the camps.

493 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 19, 2014 7:52:43am

re: #379 wheat-dogghazi

They’re still picking out the uniforms …
/

I’ll bet they’re fabulous…..

494 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:53:20am

The storms have resulted in lower allergen levels for the present.

Station: Chicago Area (Melrose Park), IL
Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Station Head(s): Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Date of Pollen and Mold Count: 06/19/2014
Station Notes for 06/19/2014: Heavy rain

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Pollen & Mold Summary
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Trees: Low Concentration
Weeds: Low Concentration
Grass: Low Concentration
Mold: Moderate Concentration

My head does not, however, agree with the counts.

495 iossarian  Jun 19, 2014 7:55:17am

re: #494 FemNaziBitch

The storms have resulted in lower allergen levels for the present.

My head does not, however, agree with the counts.

Poor you. I have non-severe hayfever and am doing better today, in the same neck of the woods as you, so to speak. No itchy eyes.

496 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:55:49am

It is predicted to stay wet in my part of the world. Mold counts will skyrocket.

497 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 7:56:21am

re: #495 iossarian

Poor you. I have non-severe hayfever and am doing better today, in the same neck of the woods as you, so to speak. No itchy eyes.

Thanks for the sympathy. It does help.

498 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 7:56:48am

re: #492 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It’s also stupid because what exactly would have changed, if the German Jews also had guns? They didn’t believe they were being sent to their deaths in the first place. And if they resisted, they would have still been killed.

or honestly thinking about the Nazi propaganda machine could have been used to justify and get more to participate in acts of violence against Jews. I did like LH putting out that as we all know here that the vast majority of the Nazis Jewish victims were from lands they occupied during the war. That is to say German domestic policy on guns which was outside of Jews liberalized anyhow under the Nazis is irrelevant to what happened in Poland, the USSR, etc.

499 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 7:58:42am

re: #498 HappyWarrior

or honestly thinking about the Nazi propaganda machine could have been used to justify and get more to participate in acts of violence against Jews. I did like LH putting out that as we all know here that the vast majority of the Nazis Jewish victims were from lands they occupied during the war. That is to say German domestic policy on guns which was outside of Jews liberalized anyhow under the Nazis is irrelevant to what happened in Poland, the USSR, etc.

The same wingnuts who are constantly bitching about HURR HURR GUN CONTROL IS JUST LIKE TEH HOLOCAUST!!!! are also constantly bitching HURR HURR ROUND UP & DEPORT ALL TEH MUSLIMS & BROWN PEOPLE!!!!!

500 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 7:58:47am

re: #491 FemNaziBitch

Today’s South is boldly moving backward

What’s old is new again it seems. I was really glad that my state Virginia avoided the turn we’ve seen in many Southern states.

501 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 19, 2014 7:59:36am

re: #496 FemNaziBitch

It is predicted to stay wet in my part of the world. Mold counts will skyrocket.

We had heavy rains all day here, and a mudslide has closed off the rail and road links to Huaihua south of here.

502 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 19, 2014 8:00:02am

re: #467 Pie-onist Overlord

This is YET ANOTHER INAPPROPRIATE use of the Holocaust:

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I’ve said this before. but it bears repeating: Jewish civilians armed with rifles and handguns might well have stopped the first gaggle of collaborationist police who arrived to round them up. With some luck, they might have stopped the einsatzgruppe who followed. They would not have stopped the SS panzer grenadiers who came after that.

503 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 8:00:14am

re: #499 Pie-onist Overlord

The same wingnuts who are constantly bitching about HURR HURR GUN CONTROL IS JUST LIKE TEH HOLOCAUST!!!! are also constantly bitching HURR HURR ROUND UP & DEPORT ALL TEH MUSLIMS & BROWN PEOPLE!!!!!

Exactly. How would that even work if all the Muslims had guns? /

504 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 8:00:16am

re: #499 Pie-onist Overlord

The same wingnuts who are constantly bitching about HURR HURR GUN CONTROL IS JUST LIKE TEH HOLOCAUST!!!! are also constantly bitching HURR HURR ROUND UP & DEPORT ALL TEH MUSLIMS & BROWN PEOPLE!!!!!

Yep and they don’t see any irony in that. They don’t see any irony in them scapegoating Muslims for all acts of terrorism or making all Hispanics out to be drugrunners (Hi, Steve King) for that matter either.

505 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 8:00:47am

re: #500 HappyWarrior

What’s old is new again it seems. I was really glad that my state Virginia avoided the turn we’ve seen in many Southern states.

Well, not really. Women aren’t doing so well in VA.

506 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 19, 2014 8:00:51am
507 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 8:01:58am

re: #502 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve said this before. but it bears repeating: Jewish civilians armed with rifles and handguns might well have stopped the first gaggle of collaborationist police who arrived to round them up. With some luck, they might have stopped the einsatzgruppe who followed. They would not have stopped the SS panzer grenadiers who came after that.

I’d argue that it would have made things worse. I can imagine Goebells busting his chops to use footage of Jews firing on German soldiers to use in propaganda to strum up even more hatred against the Jews.

508 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 8:02:13am

re: #502 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve said this before. but it bears repeating: Jewish civilians armed with rifles and handguns might well have stopped the first gaggle of collaborationist police who arrived to round them up. With some luck, they might have stopped the einsatzgruppe who followed. They would not have stopped the SS panzer grenadiers who came after that.

It would have stopped roving gangs of thugs that decided to have fun with the random Jew —if that Jew as armed and trained to use the gun.

Sometimes, I think that is what Whackos think the Nazi’s were —just unorganized thugs.

509 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 8:02:21am

re: #506 NJDhockeyfan

= 100 units?

510 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 8:02:22am

re: #505 FemNaziBitch

Well, not really. Women aren’t doing so well in VA.

Well I did mean the governor isn’t a full out kook but thank you for sharing that nonetheless.

511 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 8:02:49am

re: #510 HappyWarrior

Well I did mean the governor isn’t a full out kook but thank you for sharing that nonetheless.

:)

512 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 19, 2014 8:03:03am

re: #491 FemNaziBitch

The South is like a foreign country in some ways. People there have kept alive the idea that they were once an independent nation (a debatable point) that will someday resurrect itself from the ashes of the Confederacy.

It’s been 150 years, and they still haven’t caught on that it’s never going to happen.

513 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 8:04:14am

re: #512 wheat-dogghazi

The South is like a foreign country in some ways. People there have kept alive the idea that they were once an independent nation (a debatable point) that will someday resurrect itself from the ashes of the Confederacy.

It’s been 150 years, and they still haven’t caught on that it’s never going to happen.

Restore the Confederacy
Restore the Republic
Restore the Caliphate

It’s a meme with Whacko’s of all flavors.

514 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 8:05:05am

re: #512 wheat-dogghazi

The South is like a foreign country in some ways. People there have kept alive the idea that they were once an independent nation (a debatable point) that will someday resurrect itself from the ashes of the Confederacy.

It’s been 150 years, and they still haven’t caught on that it’s never going to happen.

I was always weirded out by the Confederate Flag regalia I would sometimes see growing up. Not as much here in NOVA as you’d see more downstate and in the more rural areas but I certainly did see my share of CSA gear including a childhood friend who had one in his bedroom. I of course went a different path and ended up getting tattooed the emblem of a brigade of immigrants who fought for the union against the CSA.

515 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 8:05:05am

re: #502 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve said this before. but it bears repeating: Jewish civilians armed with rifles and handguns might well have stopped the first gaggle of collaborationist police who arrived to round them up. With some luck, they might have stopped the einsatzgruppe who followed. They would not have stopped the SS panzer grenadiers who came after that.

If better armed and supplied, maybe the Warsaw ghetto resisters would have had more luck. But again, that’s the situation in Poland, not Germany…

516 lawhawk  Jun 19, 2014 8:05:18am

Drudge touts that Lerner’s IRS drives were thrown away, except the Politico article notes that Lerner’s computer was recycled according to stated policies (IOW, it’s not anything nefarious, but standard operating procedures).

It may just be standard government procedure, but the revelation is significant because some lawmakers and observers thought there was a way that tech experts could revive Lerner’s emails after they were washed away in a computer crash in the summer of 2011.

The computer crashed in 2011, and the data, and emails in particular, was unable to be recreated. GOPers have been claiming that this is all part of some conspiracy, but the facts simply don’t hold up that claim.

The fact is that the IRS was having issues trying to administer the tax code, and entities were seeking nonprofit status despite engaging in activities that would exclude them from nonprofit status. The IRS didn’t have sufficient funding to examine all applications, so they took shortcuts, and Issa and the right wing echo chamber thought that this was targeting tea party groups, but that turned out to be false. The IRS was targeting groups from across all political backgrounds for closer scrutiny.

That’s not a scandal, at least in the way the GOP wants you to think. The scandal is that the GOP has throttled the IRS ability to check entities for valid nonprofit status (giving tax benefits to entities that undeserving and reducing the revenues to the federal government as a result). Congress could have remedied the situation with additional funds to the IRS for enforcement/auditing or fixed the law itself, but has chosen to do neither.

That’s the scandal.

517 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 8:05:36am

re: #502 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve said this before. but it bears repeating: Jewish civilians armed with rifles and handguns might well have stopped the first gaggle of collaborationist police who arrived to round them up. With some luck, they might have stopped the einsatzgruppe who followed. They would not have stopped the SS panzer grenadiers who came after that.

Warsaw Ghetto was ultimately leveled.

518 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 8:06:53am

re: #512 wheat-dogghazi

The South is like a foreign country in some ways. People there have kept alive the idea that they were once an independent nation (a debatable point) that will someday resurrect itself from the ashes of the Confederacy.

It’s been 150 years, and they still haven’t caught on that it’s never going to happen.

Well, if they succeed in weakening the Federal Government enough, they can have their own little fiefdoms. Somehow, tho, I don’t think those fiefdoms will follow State Boundaries.

The Wingnut fantasy is that the States will truly be free (a Confederacy) and life will continue as normal with small local governments being in charge.

I think it would produce warring city-states as resources dwindle and infrastructure fall apart.

But, that’s just what I think.

519 Romantic Heretic  Jun 19, 2014 8:06:54am

re: #411 Justanotherhuman

Woot!

Ukraine’s President Poroshenko says he will sign the association agreement with the European Union on June 27 - @Reuters
End of alert

This is assuming there still is a Ukraine by that time. Putin might have other ideas.

520 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 19, 2014 8:07:01am

re: #514 HappyWarrior

I was always weirded out by the Confederate Flag regalia I would sometimes see growing up. Not as much here in NOVA as you’d see more downstate and in the more rural areas but I certainly did see my share of CSA gear including a childhood friend who had one in his bedroom. I of course went a different path and ended up getting tattooed the emblem of a brigade of immigrants who fought for the union against the CSA.

Living in KY is as close as I want to get to living in the South, although NC has a lot of appeal.

521 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 8:07:09am

re: #512 wheat-dogghazi

The South is like a foreign country in some ways. People there have kept alive the idea that they were once an independent nation (a debatable point) that will someday resurrect itself from the ashes of the Confederacy.

It’s been 150 years, and they still haven’t caught on that it’s never going to happen.

Keep in mind that it’s not a uniform and monolithic form or nuttiness. There are a lot of moderates who are trying to lead their lives. We have a few Lizards who are here less often partially due to stereotypical comments being made about The South in general.

And it’s sort of weird how the commentary (both pro- and anti-) seems to treat the white-centric tropes as the only tropes existing there most of the time.

522 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 8:08:25am

re: #520 wheat-dogghazi

Living in KY is as close as I want to get to living in the South, although NC has a lot of appeal.

I think it’s about where you live in the South. More urban and or diverse areas tend to be more enlightened IMO. I’m glad to be from the part of Virginia that John McCain’s dickhead brother called “commie country.”

523 lawhawk  Jun 19, 2014 8:08:33am

re: #498 HappyWarrior

Most of the Jews killed were in countries that had standing armies that fell to the Nazis within days, weeks, and months (or fought to a stalemate in the case of the Soviets for years). Millions of men under arms couldn’t stop the Nazi onslaught, but apparently a few Jews with guns would have prevented the Holocaust before it began.

I don’t mean to undermine the importance of events like the Warsaw Uprising or the partisans who fought behind the lines, but a few Jews with guns would not have turned the tide, not when the Nazis were more than willing to obliterate everything in their path to get rid of Jews.

524 iossarian  Jun 19, 2014 8:08:40am

re: #516 lawhawk

The fact is that the IRS was having issues trying to administer the tax code, and entities were seeking nonprofit status despite engaging in activities that would exclude them from nonprofit status. The IRS didn’t have sufficient funding to examine all applications, so they took shortcuts, and Issa and the right wing echo chamber thought that this was targeting tea party groups, but that turned out to be false. The IRS was targeting groups from across all political backgrounds for closer scrutiny.

I’ll also continue to bang my drum that even if the IRS had been engaged in “profiling” of some kind, this is entirely consistent with the right wing’s belief that if a certain group of people is thought to be more prone to breaking the rules, it’s perfectly justifiable to subject those people to pre-emptive scrutiny, even in the absence of individual evidence of rule-breaking.

526 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 8:09:13am

re: #514 HappyWarrior

I was always weirded out by the Confederate Flag regalia I would sometimes see growing up. Not as much here in NOVA as you’d see more downstate and in the more rural areas but I certainly did see my share of CSA gear including a childhood friend who had one in his bedroom. I of course went a different path and ended up getting tattooed the emblem of a brigade of immigrants who fought for the union against the CSA.

Seeing it in NJ, PA, and NY is weirder still. Though, for the most part, it basically is useful as an idiot badge since those displaying it have no clue of the actual symbolism involved beyond believing it to be some sort of anti-authoritarian thing.

527 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 8:09:23am

I have a friend in law enforcement who named her cat: Felony.

True Story

528 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 8:10:51am

re: #523 lawhawk

Most of the Jews killed were in countries that had standing armies that fell to the Nazis within days, weeks, and months (or fought to a stalemate in the case of the Soviets for years). Millions of men under arms couldn’t stop the Nazi onslaught, but apparently a few Jews with guns would have prevented the Holocaust before it began.

I don’t mean to undermine the importance of events like the Warsaw Uprising or the partisans who fought behind the lines, but a few Jews with guns would not have turned the tide, not when the Nazis were more than willing to obliterate everything in their path to get rid of Jews.

Right and I too appreciate the bravery of resistance too. Even did a whole essay on the changing perception of how Jews have been portrayed on fil min regards to the HOlocaust from the 50’s to the present one semester. What the gun fucks don’t get is that they were dealing with one of the most massive armies the world had ever seen. A bunch of armed civilians wasn’t going to stop the Holocaust and frankly even if it did, that should not be rationale for gun hoarding.

529 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 8:12:02am

re: #526 Feline Fearless Leader

Seeing it in NJ, PA, and NY is weirder still. Though, for the most part, it basically is useful as an idiot badge since those displaying it have no clue of the actual symbolism involved beyond believing it to be some sort of anti-authoritarian thing.

I actually saw it quite a bit in the parts of Maryland and Pennsylvania near the Antietam and Gettysburg battlefields. God it’s weird. It’s like the rise of Neo-Nazis in Russia almost though I will concede that the CSA when it came to how it treated people in areas it occupied wasn’t the Third Reich.

530 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 8:12:06am

White House to announce additional measures in response to Uganda’s anti-homosexuality act, senior officials tell @Reuters
End of alert

531 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 8:12:31am

re: #530 Justanotherhuman

White House to announce additional measures in response to Uganda’s anti-homosexuality act, senior officials tell @Reuters
End of alert

This is worse than Hitler.

532 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 8:12:59am

Besides this childish “arm everyone, it will make everything OK” mindset is fit for fairy tales and heroic novels, where all the people, “as one”, turn against some tyrant, etc. In reality people have different opinions - see e.g. Republicans v. Democrats - so what happens when one group falsely believes that it resists tyranny when all it does is follow some demagogue against the lawful non-tyrannical govt, while the rest of the population doesn’t support this “rebellion” and will, in fact, resist it? Then you got a civil war on your hands. So, who decides when the guns should be turned against the government?

Note, I’m not saying that the “armed people as a whole vs. tyranny” scenario is impossible. But the scenario above, with idiots making trouble, is far more probable.

533 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 8:13:10am

No, John McCain, Pres Obama is not “fiddling while Iraq burns.”

Go take a nap.

534 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 8:13:12am

re: #528 HappyWarrior

Right and I too appreciate the bravery of resistance too. Even did a whole essay on the changing perception of how Jews have been portrayed on fil min regards to the HOlocaust from the 50’s to the present one semester. What the gun fucks don’t get is that they were dealing with one of the most massive armies the world had ever seen. A bunch of armed civilians wasn’t going to stop the Holocaust and frankly even if it did, that should not be rationale for gun hoarding.

It’s almost like Imelda Marcos and her shoes, or the person who grew-up poor and stuffed money all over the house in strange places.

The more stuff they have hidden away makes the person feel safer.

a form of OCD, I guess.

535 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 19, 2014 8:14:48am

re: #518 FemNaziBitch

Well, if they succeed in weakening the Federal Government enough, they can have their own little fiefdoms. Somehow, tho, I don’t think those fiefdoms will follow State Boundaries.

The Wingnut fantasy is that the States will truly be free (a Confederacy) and life will continue as normal with small local governments being in charge.

I think it would produce warring city-states as resources dwindle and infrastructure fall apart.

But, that’s just what I think.

Oh, like feudal Europe, where everyone got along just swimmingly.

536 Romantic Heretic  Jun 19, 2014 8:14:58am

re: #426 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Every time I see Will these days I also imagine me smacking him across the jaw with sawed off pool queue.

Grrrr.

537 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 19, 2014 8:15:16am
538 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 8:16:06am

re: #532 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Besides this childish “arm everyone, it will make everything OK” mindset is fit for fairy tales and heroic novels, where all the people, “as one”, turn against some tyrant, etc. In reality people have different opinions - see e.g. Republicans v. Democrats - so what happens when one group falsely believes that it resists tyranny when all it does if follow some demagogue against the lawful non-tyrannical govt, while the rest of the population doesn’t support this “rebellion” and will, in fact, resist it? Then you got a civil war on your hand. So, who decides when the should be guns turned against the government?

Note, I’m not saying that the “armed people as a whole vs. tyranny” scenario is impossible. But the scenario above, with idiots making trouble, is far more probable.

I think it probably makes corrupt cops think twice about entering a home or business for illegal purposes.

I also think the average National Guardsmen would feel pretty uncomfortable trying to carry out illegal orders to remove people from their homes. Like in Kosovo and other places.

Saying that, I don’t think the odds of either of those situations happening warrants much more than a shotgun.

539 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 8:16:37am

re: #535 wheat-dogghazi

Oh, like feudal Europe, where everyone got along just swimmingly.

Or like the former USSR?

540 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 8:16:56am

re: #534 FemNaziBitch

It’s almost like Imelda Marcos and her shoes, or the person who grew-up poor and stuffed money all over the house in strange places.

The more stuff they have hidden away makes the person feel safer.

a form of OCD, I guess.

Yeah I think it is a form of OCD. I actually feel a little bad since the gun lobby is basically telling them to hoard guns at the expense of their family’s welfare because I swear whether it’s Clinton or Obama as president or Gore or Kerry running for president, it’s always the same story about how the Dems are coming for your guns.

541 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 19, 2014 8:17:26am
542 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 8:17:31am

re: #540 HappyWarrior

Yeah I think it is a form of OCD. I actually feel a little bad since the gun lobby is basically telling them to hoard guns at the expense of their family’s welfare because I swear whether it’s Clinton or Obama as president or Gore or Kerry running for president, it’s always the same story about how the Dems are coming for your guns.

It’s an investment, like gold!

543 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 19, 2014 8:17:38am

re: #521 Feline Fearless Leader

Keep in mind that it’s not a uniform and monolithic form or nuttiness. There are a lot of moderates who are trying to lead their lives. We have a few Lizards who are here less often partially due to stereotypical comments being made about The South in general.

And it’s sort of weird how the commentary (both pro- and anti-) seems to treat the white-centric tropes as the only tropes existing there most of the time.

Oh, I know. Like I said, I’d consider living in NC, someplace like Asheville or Durham or Chapel Hill. I have a lot of family (former in-laws, basically) in KY and southern IN, but my own kids have moved away in opposite directions. So, my eventual relocation to the States is a crapshoot.

544 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 8:18:58am

re: #538 FemNaziBitch

I think it probably makes corrupt cops think twice about entering a home or business for illegal purposes.

I also think the average National Guardsmen would feel pretty uncomfortable trying to carry out illegal orders to remove people from their homes. Like in Kosovo and other places.

Saying that, I don’t think the odds of either of those situations happening warrants much more than a shotgun.

It would also make cops and NGs feel pretty uncomfortable trying to carry out legal orders merely because the objects of those orders might perceive them as illegal. Which is exactly my point. Who decides?

545 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 8:20:22am

re: #537 NJDhockeyfan

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This is why Dick Cheney is having palpitations about Iraq.

546 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 8:20:30am

re: #532 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Besides this childish “arm everyone, it will make everything OK” mindset is fit for fairy tales and heroic novels, where all the people, “as one”, turn against some tyrant, etc. In reality people have different opinions - see e.g. Republicans v. Democrats - so what happens when one group falsely believes that it resists tyranny when all it does is follow some demagogue against the lawful non-tyrannical govt, while the rest of the population doesn’t support this “rebellion” and will, in fact, resist it? Then you got a civil war on your hands. So, who decides when the guns should be turned against the government?

Note, I’m not saying that the “armed people as a whole vs. tyranny” scenario is impossible. But the scenario above, with idiots making trouble, is far more probable.

With everyone armed you’re more likely to see lots of local clashes/feuds to start being armed confrontations. These will bring in local law enforcement in; possibly as peacekeepers, but I’d say more likely on one side or the other of the feud*. This escalation, in turn, brings in state authorities. And so on.

* - Do some research on the lead-in to the OK Corral shoot-out. One faction essentially controlled/had the backing of the town marshall, the other the county sheriff, etc. And there are warrants flying around against the various parties since the local government is simply another tool to use in attempting to gain and hold power.

547 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 8:21:48am

Only one year for child pornography distribution? (I hate the word “porn” when used to describe obvious child abuse.) This guy is a pedophile whether or not he acted out his fantasies, and we don’t know whether he ever has or not. At least he will have to register as a sex offender for life, but I doubt even 5 yrs probation is going to stop him from pursuing his demented desires.

Even the headline is incorrect: He was distributing child pornography over the internet.

Ex-Huntington Beach school worker gets jail for having child porn

latimes.com

548 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 8:21:51am

re: #544 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It would also make cops and NGs feel pretty uncomfortable trying to carry out legal orders merely because the objects of those orders might perceive them as illegal. Which is exactly my point. Who decides?

Well, so far, we have remained a nation of laws not men, for the most part.

Katrina was an interesting example. A lot of people were not removed from their homes because they resisted. Their choice. And the confiscation of firearms was eventually deemed illegal in court.

Why would NG’s ever try to remove people from their homes on a mass scale other than National Disaster? IN which case, most people would comply.

549 iossarian  Jun 19, 2014 8:22:27am

re: #544 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It would also make cops and NGs feel pretty uncomfortable trying to carry out legal orders merely because the objects of those orders might perceive them as illegal. Which is exactly my point. Who decides?

To have a working democracy, people have to carefully scrutinize police and government behavior in the aggregate, but also trust that in individual, occurring cases the police and government are behaving ethically.

550 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 8:23:25am

I’m going to try to get some sleep.

bbl

551 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2014 8:23:33am

re: #533 Justanotherhuman

No, John McCain, Pres Obama is not “fiddling while Iraq burns.”

Go take a nap.

Make sure he swaps out his Depends too. He seems to be filling them much more frequently these days.

552 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 8:24:33am

re: #538 FemNaziBitch

I think it probably makes corrupt cops think twice about entering a home or business for illegal purposes.

I also think the average National Guardsmen would feel pretty uncomfortable trying to carry out illegal orders to remove people from their homes. Like in Kosovo and other places.

Saying that, I don’t think the odds of either of those situations happening warrants much more than a shotgun.

I actually doubt it. They will simply have informal procedures for handling it. Shoot first, and if necessary plant a firearm on the corpse*. And the same would apply to the National Guardsmen - once they are there I suspect that protecting their own asses when out doing evictions is going to be stronger than debating the legality of the action right then and there. (Barracks talk perhaps, but not on the scene.) And I suspect once they’ve done one or two evictions most of them will construct the personal justifications for continuing with the activity.

* - Fictional case, but see “L.A. Confidential”.

553 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 19, 2014 8:25:48am

re: #525 NJDhockeyfan

M28 120mm Atomic Battle Group Delivery System (Light)
M151A1D 4x4 Tactical Transporter / Launcher
‘Davy Crockett’

I’m not certain but I believe the Davy Crockett’s warhead was the smallest of which details have been publicly released (11 inches diameter, 50 pounds weight). The lower limits on weight and diameter are smaller than that, but not a lot smaller owing to inherent physical factors. There was definitely an 8 inch nuclear artillery shell but it was much longer and heavier.

I think this publicity photo shows a live W-54 warhead rather than an inert dummy (which would explain the officials’ ginger attitude toward touching it):

554 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2014 8:26:49am

re: #533 Justanotherhuman

No, John McCain, Pres Obama is not “fiddling while Iraq burns.”

Go take a nap.

Amusing. His hero, dubyah, actually did fiddle while New Orleans flooded and drowned:

555 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 8:26:57am

re: #548 FemNaziBitch

Well, so far, we have remained a nation of laws not men, for the most part.

Cliven Bundy.

556 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 8:29:37am

re: #554 Dr. Matt

Amusing. His hero, dubyah, actually did fiddle while New Orleans flooded and drowned:

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Strummed.

558 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 8:35:04am

One should appreciate how McCain And Palin have (in their own special way) worked quite hard in the last six years in promoting that fact that the electorate of the United States made the correct decision in 2008.

559 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 8:36:09am

re: #558 Feline Fearless Leader

One should appreciate how McCain And Palin have (in their own special way) worked quite hard in the last six years in promoting that fact that the electorate of the United States made the correct decision in 2008.

Yep. All I need to do is listen to McCain talk or see Palin’s latest rage on Twitter and I know we elected the right team in 2008.

560 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 8:36:25am

Loser keeps on losing (and racking up bills).

Judge throws out part of Zimmerman libel case against NBC
Zimmerman says NBC News deceptively edited his call reporting Trayvon Martin as suspicious.

orlandosentinel.com

SANFORD - A judge this morning threw out part of George Zimmerman’s libel suit against NBC Universal and held out the prospect that she may throw out the whole thing.

“Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson tossed the allegations related to one of four broadcast and said she needs to do more homework before deciding about the other three.

“Zimmerman is suing the media company, alleging he was falsely portrayed as a racist.”

Yeah, no profiling that night, eh, George, just “self-defense”? Surprised you didn’t have an extra weapon to plant on that kid.

561 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 8:36:51am
562 Romantic Heretic  Jun 19, 2014 8:39:19am

re: #491 FemNaziBitch

Today’s South is boldly moving backward

I’m increasingly of the opinion, “Let them go.” If they want to be a Third World nation we should honour that idea.

The money no longer sent to the South will help with the deficit and debt, and isolating the crazy will be good for the country.

563 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 8:39:20am

Facing America’s Failure in Iraq

… I am tired of the constant efforts to decontextualize the actual history of how we wound up invading Iraq and deposing Saddam Hussein; scoring cheap political points off complex matters of statecraft is too easy and, as I’ve said before, deeply toxic in a democracy.
….
Debating what went wrong in Iraq, and why, must be done, but the more pressing matter now is addressing the disaster that has predictably unfolded this spring.

564 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 8:40:07am
565 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 8:41:42am

re: #560 Justanotherhuman

Note however that NBC did deceptively distort his call.

566 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2014 8:43:42am

re: #560 Justanotherhuman

Loser keeps on losing (and racking up bills).

Judge throws out part of Zimmerman libel case against NBC
Zimmerman says NBC News deceptively edited his call reporting Trayvon Martin as suspicious.

orlandosentinel.com

SANFORD - A judge this morning threw out part of George Zimmerman’s libel suit against NBC Universal and held out the prospect that she may throw out the whole thing.

“Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson tossed the allegations related to one of four broadcast and said she needs to do more homework before deciding about the other three.

“Zimmerman is suing the media company, alleging he was falsely portrayed as a racist.”

Yeah, no profiling that night, eh, George, just “self-defense”? Surprised you didn’t have an extra weapon to plant on that kid.

Zimmerman is the true definition of a social pariah.

This is also a fine display of karma coming back and doing its thing on him, as is so richly deserved.

567 b.d.  Jun 19, 2014 8:45:24am

Someone at DailyKos is kicking the hornet’s nest and using our love-able Gus’ tweet as ammo.

dailykos.com

Glenn Greenwald called Iraq war protestors hardcore communists and truly odious.

This post was discovered by someone named Gus_802 on twitter
twitter.com

Hilarity ensues.

568 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 8:45:47am

Flashback:

NBC issues apology on Zimmerman tape screw-up
[…]

“During our investigation it became evident that there was an error made in the production process that we deeply regret. We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers.”

That apology addresses the “Today” show’s failure to abridge accurately the conversation between Zimmerman and the dispatcher in this high-profile case. This is how the program portrayed a segment of that conversation:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.

And here is how it actually went down:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.

569 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 19, 2014 8:46:47am
570 iossarian  Jun 19, 2014 8:46:52am

re: #563 Killgore Trout

Facing America’s Failure in Iraq

FTA:

Plenty of senior officers were amply aware that the Iraq War, as planned, was a fool’s errand doomed to fail, but nearly all of them kept quiet about it.

It’s not the military’s job to decide what to do, it’s their job to do it.

Although I am sympathetic to the Obama White House’s desire to get away from a losing war that they had no part in starting, walking away was not a rational strategic option for the United States in January 2009, yet in many ways that is exactly what happened.

Obama wanted legal protection for US troops, his military advisors were in full agreement (ironic given the first quote), and that protection not being available he took the decision to withdraw.

My take:

- Iraq is fucked
- It’s fucked because Dubya and Dick Cheney wanted to invade, for no good reason
- We should stay the hell out of there for the foreseeable future unless there’s some really good reason to go back in, which I currently don’t see

571 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 8:47:44am

re: #561 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That is such a funny site. : )

572 Romantic Heretic  Jun 19, 2014 8:47:53am

re: #523 lawhawk

Most of the Jews killed were in countries that had standing armies that fell to the Nazis within days, weeks, and months (or fought to a stalemate in the case of the Soviets for years). Millions of men under arms couldn’t stop the Nazi onslaught, but apparently a few Jews with guns would have prevented the Holocaust before it began.

I don’t mean to undermine the importance of events like the Warsaw Uprising or the partisans who fought behind the lines, but a few Jews with guns would not have turned the tide, not when the Nazis were more than willing to obliterate everything in their path to get rid of Jews.

The Nazis were so focused on destroying the Jews that trains carrying people to the extermination and concentration camps were given priority over every other goal.

Imagine. A country is in a fight for its life. Supplies and replacements need to be gotten to the front quickly and in numbers. Wounded and repairable vehicles have to be hauled back so they can be return to the battle. But nooooo. Instead the trains are used to take people to their deaths.

A couple of books in my library are built around the hypothesis that it was their racism that cost the Nazis the war. This is a very good example.

573 b.d.  Jun 19, 2014 8:50:06am

re: #569 NJDhockeyfan

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ffs!

So Saddam’s Chemical Weapons factory is ready to go?!

Let me guess, the were just a bunch of dusty sheets draped over the WMD machines and now they are ready to go!

//

574 Skip Intro  Jun 19, 2014 8:50:14am

re: #566 ObserverArt

Zimmerman is the true definition of a social pariah.

This is also a fine display of karma coming back and doing its thing on him, as is so richly deserved.

At least Zimmerman will always have his talent as an artist to fall back on.

575 Romantic Heretic  Jun 19, 2014 8:50:17am

re: #525 NJDhockeyfan

M28 120mm Atomic Battle Group Delivery System (Light)
M151A1D 4x4 Tactical Transporter / Launcher
‘Davy Crockett’

151,000 nuclear weapons?

I just came closer to having a childish accident than I have in a long time.

576 iossarian  Jun 19, 2014 8:52:02am

re: #573 b.d.

ffs!

So Saddam’s Chemical Weapons factory is ready to go?!

Let me guess, the were just a bunch of dusty sheets draped over the WMD machines and now they are ready to go!

//

So Bush/Cheney achieved a glorious victory in Iraq, in only six days/months/years, were greeted as liberators, etc. etc., and did not manage to destroy the one fig leaf they claimed as justification for the invasion?

577 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 8:52:24am

re: #567 b.d.

Someone at DailyKos is kicking the hornet’s nest and using our love-able Gus’ tweet as ammo.

dailykos.com

Hilarity ensues.

:D Oh noz! I’m going to get in trouble with GG!

578 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 8:54:19am

re: #572 Romantic Heretic

A couple of books in my library are built around the hypothesis that it was their racism that cost the Nazis the war.

When I was 12 and starting to learn about all this on my own, thanks to a history book on WWII, my father told me, “The Nazis had such a hard-on about killing all the Jews, they were using trains they needed for their war effort to transport innocent people to these extermination camps. From a military point of view, that has to be stupidest damned thing anyone can do, but I guess the German generals were all too chickenshit to explain this to Hitler, and more then a few of them probably agreed with Hitler that mass murder was more important than victory.”

579 b.d.  Jun 19, 2014 8:54:34am

re: #577 Gus

Heh!

580 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 8:54:50am

re: #577 Gus

Judging by the comments, it’s always worth to provide a link along with the screenshot, to avoid unnecessary doubts among the google-impaired ;)

581 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 8:55:23am

re: #568 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Flashback:

That apology addresses the “Today” show’s failure to abridge accurately the conversation between Zimmerman and the dispatcher in this high-profile case. This is how the program portrayed a segment of that conversation:

And here is how it actually went down:

Still, Zimmerman was already setting the profile up for the dispatcher.

And other networks weren’t much better.

582 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 8:55:41am

re: #569 NJDhockeyfan

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What could go wrong?

583 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 8:56:27am

re: #581 Justanotherhuman

Still, Zimmerman was already setting the profile up for the dispatcher.

And other networks weren’t much better.

Zim is scum. And NBC lied. :)

584 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2014 8:57:57am

Joe Scarborough. He wants everyone to come together…now.

Does anyone think Scarborough could ever be elected to his previous office as a Congressman in his Florida district if he were to run now?

That would be after knowing a bit more about him and his character and seeing how he reacts to people on his stupid show. I was surprised how many YouTube videos there are of him acting like a total assbag with his co-host and guests.

585 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 8:59:01am

My nominee for most underrated comment from yesterday:

1 Backwoods_Sleuth 6/18/2014 12:38:27 pm PDT

EdDantes has a new job?
Explains his moronathon last night.

(This could be a daily feature.)

586 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 19, 2014 8:59:31am

re: #572 Romantic Heretic

The racism did hurt the war effort and probably caused them to collapse even sooner than the would have without it. However in The Wages of Destruction by Adam Tooze it is argued that the Germans lost the war essentially as soon as they started because they did not have sufficient resources to defeat their enemies. Squandering resources on the killing simply made them lose faster.

587 Skip Intro  Jun 19, 2014 8:59:59am

re: #584 ObserverArt

Does anyone think Scarborough could ever be elected to his previous office as a Congressman in his Florida district if he were to run now?

Wasn’t there some scandal about Scarborough and a dead intern? That would get any GOPer elected in Florida.

588 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 9:01:09am
Here is a real link to the article: (6+ / 0-)
glenngreenwald.blogspot.com

Dallasdoc: “Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama.”

by gooderservice on Thu Jun 19, 2014 at 08:33:46 AM PDT

* [new] Ooh. (1+ / 0-)
“Fragmented and confused, we have no plan to combat any of this, but are looking to be saved by the very architects of our ruination.”

by BigAlinWashSt on Thu Jun 19, 2014 at 08:40:37 AM PDT

Someone’s lil’ brain has jes’ ‘sploded. ;)

PS: bigalinwashst is a fucking chavez fan. Make of it what you want.

589 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 19, 2014 9:01:29am

re: #578 Dr Lizardo

The vast majority of them did agree. The whole ¨The Fuhrer didn´t listen¨ spin only came out as a CYA after the war.

590 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 9:05:08am

re: #585 wrenchwench

My nominee for most underrated comment from yesterday:

(This could be a daily feature.)

:D

591 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 9:05:43am

re: #586 William Barnett-Lewis

The racism did hurt the war effort and probably caused them to collapse even sooner than the would have without it. However in The Wages of Destruction by Adam Tooze it is argued that the Germans lost the war essentially as soon as they started because they did not have sufficient resources to defeat their enemies. Squandering resources on the killing simply made them lose faster.

Note that economically the genocide *was* profitable, in the sense that they ended up with the surplus of loot. Of course, they would have an even bigger surplus if they had “just” robbed the Jews, and transported only the Jewish workers (whom they indeed sorely needed as slave labor) instead of whole populations. So ideology trumped pragmatism. But then the war was ideological in the first place, so pragmatism was abandoned in the very beginning.

592 Romantic Heretic  Jun 19, 2014 9:05:46am

re: #586 William Barnett-Lewis

The racism did hurt the war effort and probably caused them to collapse even sooner than the would have without it. However in The Wages of Destruction by Adam Tooze it is argued that the Germans lost the war essentially as soon as they started because they did not have sufficient resources to defeat their enemies. Squandering resources on the killing simply made them lose faster.

I think they might have won a limited war. But Herr Shicklegruber was incapable of restraint. He kept picking fights even when he hadn’t quite won the previous one.

Also, for some odd reason, he never prepared for a full war until 1942. He really thought he could take on Russia with only a partially mobilized economy.

Thank God for that.

593 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 9:05:54am

U.S. officials don’t believe the Sunni militants will be able to create a functional chemical weapon from the material.

594 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 9:06:33am

re: #589 William Barnett-Lewis

The vast majority of them did agree. The whole ¨The Fuhrer didn´t listen¨ spin only came out as a CYA after the war.

And then of course when Hitler declared war on the USA - on his own initiative, because he didn’t want to look bad to the Japanese - not one of those generals said, “Wuuuut? America?! Are you out of your damned mind? Do you remember WWI at all?!”

Hitler deliberately chose to array himself against the USA, the USSR and the British Empire. And he thought he would win.

That’s some pretty delusional thinking.

595 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2014 9:08:08am

re: #574 Skip Intro

At least Zimmerman will always have his talent as an artist to fall back on.

The charity of assholes he keeps buying his theft “art”.

596 Romantic Heretic  Jun 19, 2014 9:08:25am

re: #594 Dr Lizardo

In fairness, disagreeing with Hitler was not a good way to continue living. After France it was impossible to argue with the lunatic anyway.

597 lawhawk  Jun 19, 2014 9:09:05am
598 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2014 9:10:23am

re: #548 FemNaziBitch

Well, so far, we have remained a nation of laws not men, for the most part.

Katrina was an interesting example. A lot of people were not removed from their homes because they resisted. Their choice. And the confiscation of firearms was eventually deemed illegal in court.

Why would NG’s ever try to remove people from their homes on a mass scale other than National Disaster? IN which case, most people would comply.

Unless the Patriot Acts screwed it up, the only NG units that are armed in a disaster scenario are those that have not been federalized. That is, they are under orders of their state governor/Adjutant General. That was the reality for Joint Task force Andrew—only the Florida guard had ammo and authority to help the local police. The rest of the NG and active DoD was cutting brush and distributing goodies..

599 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 9:10:31am

re: #591 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Note that economically the genocide *was* profitable, in the sense that they ended up with the surplus of loot. Of course, they would have an even bigger surplus if they had “just” robbed the Jews, and transported only the Jewish workers (whom they indeed sorely needed as slave labor) instead of whole populations. So ideology trumped pragmatism. But then the war was ideological in the first place, so pragmatism was abandoned in the very beginning.

The Inventory by Gila Lustiger portrayed the “profitable” aspect. Horrific.

600 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2014 9:11:39am

re: #587 Skip Intro

Wasn’t there some scandal about Scarborough and a dead intern? That would get any GOPer elected in Florida.

Yes, and he was reelected in 2000 but resigned his office 5 months later saying he needed to spend time with his kids and family. Then in July 2001 his female aid was found dead after allegedly fainting and hitting her head alone in his office.

Also, he has been married and divorced twice. I sometimes wonder how all that ties into his character. I’m sure Joe would tell everyone he is a true protector of marriage and family values.

I tried to watch him, and after a few weeks he made my skin crawl. Now, I feel total revulsion seeing or hearing him. I guess I am like that dog that just doesn’t trust that one guy that everyone keeps saying isn’t too bad, so I bark and bark trying to let folks know…this guy is just no good.

601 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2014 9:13:25am

re: #592 Romantic Heretic

I think they might have won a limited war. But Herr Shicklegruber was incapable of restraint. He kept picking fights even when he hadn’t quite won the previous one.

Also, for some odd reason, he never prepared for a full war until 1942. He really thought he could take on Russia with only a partially mobilized economy.

Thank God for that.

Hitler’s generals didn’t expect to go to war earlier than, IIRC, 1941. They didn’t even had adequate numbers of the heavier tanks they expected to need for a serious war with France, let alone Russia. The early successes of the Reich have more to do with how their enemies were unprepared to defend against blitzkrieg attacks than with the mighty of the German war machine.

602 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 19, 2014 9:14:14am

re: #527 FemNaziBitch

I have a friend in law enforcement who named her cat: Felony.

True Story

When it was it kitten it was just a misdemeanor…

RBS

603 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 19, 2014 9:16:44am

re: #527 FemNaziBitch

I have a friend in law enforcement who named her cat: Felony.

True Story

Heh, can’t argue that. We do have a cat named Silver. Rescued from the false ceiling of the California Jewelry Mart by Dragon_Lady who was working for a huge jewelry company there at the time.

604 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2014 9:17:51am

re: #594 Dr Lizardo

And then of course when Hitler declared war on the USA - on his own initiative, because he didn’t want to look bad to the Japanese - not one of those generals said, “Wuuuut? America?! Are you out of your damned mind? Do you remember WWI at all?!”…snip

Well, some of them did try to kill him a couple times.

605 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 19, 2014 9:19:20am

re: #592 Romantic Heretic

I think they might have won a limited war. But Herr Shicklegruber was incapable of restraint. He kept picking fights even when he hadn’t quite won the previous one.

Also, for some odd reason, he never prepared for a full war until 1942. He really thought he could take on Russia with only a partially mobilized economy.

Thank God for that.

Their economy was a shambles. Seriously. Read Tooze, he puts the lie to a lot of the old assumptions about the German war economy and especially shows that Speer´s supposed miracles were nothing but smoke and mirrors.

606 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 19, 2014 9:20:01am

Nightmare…
All too real for the victims.

“When we got on scene, we were told that there was a family in the home and that two black males kicked in the door,” said Valdosta Police Chief Brian Childress. “One was armed with a rifle and the other had a handgun.”

A 56-year-old woman and her 15-year-old son were in the front of the house when the men broke through the door and demanded money. The 59-year-old husband/father was in the back of the house, according to reports.

At some point during the burglary, the son was shot in the leg by one of the offenders. The mother attempted to flee to the back of the house and was shot in the arm, said Childress.

After hearing the commotion and gunfire, the father walked to the front room of the house with a handgun and shot both burglars multiple times. The men fled on foot, according to reports.

valdostadailytimes.com

607 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 19, 2014 9:20:13am

re: #70 dog philosopher

President Obama weighs ‘do nothing’ option in Iraq

nothing

i can do that

And Plan B could be rebuild some bridges, interstates, and highways.

608 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 9:20:26am
609 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 9:22:02am

Ooh! Ooh! Let me answer!

The same Founding Fathers wrote a Constitution that counted slaves as 3/5 of a human being for census reporting purposes, until that law was overturned.

612 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 9:23:07am
613 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2014 9:24:06am

re: #609 Pie-onist Overlord

Ooh! Ooh! Let me answer!

The same Founding Fathers wrote a Constitution that counted slaves as 3/5 of a human being for census reporting purposes, until that law was overturned.

A generation ago, that sign would be asking why, if the Founders wrote a Constitution guaranteeing mixed race marriages, did we have laws against such until “godless” judges overturned them.

614 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 9:24:39am

re: #611 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

thank you for the links.

615 lawhawk  Jun 19, 2014 9:32:23am

re: #610 RealityBasedSteve

Where the white women at?

Is that a nuclear weapon, or are you happy to see me?

/I’ll be here all day….

616 TedStriker  Jun 19, 2014 9:34:17am

re: #562 Romantic Heretic

I’m increasingly of the opinion, “Let them go.” If they want to be a Third World nation we should honour that idea.

The money no longer sent to the South will help with the deficit and debt, and isolating the crazy will be good for the country.

Umm, no.

617 lawhawk  Jun 19, 2014 9:34:37am

re: #612 Pie-onist Overlord

Booga booga!!!

So the NSA taps fiber and this is illegal under US law how? What US civil rights are violated? None.

How many other nations are tapping/monitoring data coming in/out of their countries? Here’s a hint - anyone that has the capability, including all those countries that monitor and limit what can be viewed online (Russia and China comes to mind).

618 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 9:35:36am

re: #604 Decatur Deb

Well, some of them did try to kill him a couple times.

True enough.

619 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 9:38:38am

re: #613 Targetpractice

A generation ago, that sign would be asking why, if the Founders wrote a Constitution guaranteeing mixed race marriages, did we have laws against such until “godless” judges overturned them.

And there’s still a not-insignificant number of voters in the Deep South who would reinstate those laws against interracial marriages in the blink of an eye if they could.

*smh*

620 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 9:44:21am

I wonder if Snowden had one? : )

FCC issues largest fine in history to company selling signal jammers

theverge.com

“The Federal Communications Commission is laying down its largest fine ever against a Chinese retailer that’s allegedly been selling hundreds of models of illegal signal jammers over at least the past two years. The online retailer, CTS Technology, is being given a fine of $34.9 million, the maximum that the FCC can issue in this instance. Operating a signal jammer is illegal in the United States, as is selling and advertising them. Unfortunately for CTS Technology — which allegedly was brazen enough to claim that its jammers were FCC approved — it actually sold 10 units to FCC personnel.

“The FCC takes the sale of jammers seriously because they can prevent people from making 911 or other emergency calls, in addition to preventing communication by law enforcement. “Signal jammers present a direct danger to public safety, potentially blocking the communications of first responders,” Travis LeBlanc, acting chief of the FCC’s enforcement bureau, says in a statement. CTS Technology’s jammers were able to do far more than that: various models it sold were allegedly able to block cell signals, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, satellite radio, and GPS, among others. Certain models were even effective up to half a mile away. CTS Technology is said to currently have 285 models on sale.” More

621 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 9:44:22am

heh…

622 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 9:45:13am

re: #621 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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OWLS!! OWLS FOR EVERYONE!!

623 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 9:48:05am

re: #622 Dr Lizardo

624 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 9:48:23am
625 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 9:48:34am
626 Kragar  Jun 19, 2014 9:48:38am

So they assign a guy to be my backup, but when I assign him work to do tomorrow when we’re having our company picnic, I’m told I can’t do that because he’s too unreliable.

I love management.

627 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 19, 2014 9:49:56am

re: #626 Kragar

So they assign a guy to be my backup, but when I assign him work to do tomorrow when we’re having our company picnic, I’m told I can’t do that because he’s too unreliable.

I love management.

so, who’s Son-In-Law is he?

RBS

628 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2014 9:50:14am

re: #626 Kragar

So they assign a guy to be my backup, but when I assign him work to do tomorrow when we’re having our company picnic, I’m told I can’t do that because he’s too unreliable.

I love management.

Does your boss have pointy hair?

629 Kragar  Jun 19, 2014 9:54:02am
630 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 9:54:54am

So, I thought I’d check out Drudge, and I see he’s promoting thinly-veiled racist hysteria. Yes, I know, my shocked face, my surprise, etc.

Good googely-moogely, to quote Whitman Mayo.

On the one hand, it’s sickening to see the ever-increasing and increasingly open racism coming from the RWNJ’s; on the other hand, it’s good that they fly their freak flag, so those of us who are sane know full well who they are, and we can mock them and shun them.

631 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 19, 2014 9:55:55am

re: #307 teleskiguy

Liz Cheney didn’t have any traction as a Senate candidate because of her obvious carpetbagging. D.C. resident for a couple of decades and all of a sudden she’s a salt-of-the-earth Wyomingite? Give me a break. I’m glad Mike Enzi’s campaign ate Liz’s campaign for breakfast, that proves to me that Republican Wyoming Primary voters aren’t as stupid as I thought.

Then again, I’ll never vote for a Republican today because they’re way too anti-science.

ISTR that Dick Cheney suddenly moved back to Wyoming from Dallas Texas just before the 2000 presidential election, to allow Texas electoral votes to count for both president and vice president.

632 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 9:56:58am

re: #631 BeenHereAwhile

ISTR that Dick Cheney suddenly moved back to Wyoming from Dallas Texas just before the 2000 presidential election, to allow Texas electoral votes to count for both president and vice president.

I do remember hearing that.

633 Kragar  Jun 19, 2014 9:57:10am

Its a bad week for TCOT

The FBI had launched an investigation into the case as a possible hate crime.

However, police said Wednesday that Wagoner’s injuries were not consistent with defensive wounds - but were consistent with hesitation wounds, suggesting they were self-inflicted.

Surveillance cameras on the bus did not record any audio or video for the first five minutes Wagoner was off the bus, but the system recorded audio of several gunshots in the remaining 2 minutes and 20 seconds the driver was off the bus.

But police said the gunshots were in reverse order from what would be expected, based on Wagoner’s account.

Police found two bullets lodged in “The Message,” but investigators said it was “not credible” that the bullets could have been fired into the book without wounding Wagoner.

THATS BECAUSE IT WAS A MIRACLE!
///

634 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 9:58:42am

re: #630 Dr Lizardo

So, I thought I’d check out Drudge, and I see he’s promoting thinly-veiled racist hysteria. Yes, I know, my shocked face, my surprise, etc.

Good googely-moogely, to quote Whitman Mayo.

On the one hand, it’s sickening to see the ever-increasing and increasingly open racism coming from the RWNJ’s; on the other hand, it’s good that they fly their freak flag, so those of us who are sane know full well who they are, and we can mock them and shun them.

Why are such swarms entering the U.S. illegally NOW, particularly children? Newspapers in Mexico and Central and South America are actually describing U.S. “open borders,” encouraging people to come with promises of food stamps or “amnesty.” It is textbook Cloward-Piven strategy to overwhelm and collapse the economic and social systems, in order to replace them with a “new socialist order” under federal control.

635 Eventual Carrion  Jun 19, 2014 9:59:53am

re: #545 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is why Dick Cheney is having palpitations about Iraq.

Operation Iraq Liberation (OIL)

636 Kragar  Jun 19, 2014 10:02:20am

ICYMI: UT County Passes Resolution Saying Its a Sovereign Authority

I removed an earlier update and link because upon rereading it this morning, I realized it wasn’t clear exactly what position the local sheriff had taken.

637 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 10:02:41am

Are we getting another statement from Obama today? Any bets?

638 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 10:02:59am
639 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 10:04:01am

It’s funny what people do or how they buy stuff that violates regulations or the law, and then complain about “big government” being over-bearing after they’ve committed criminal offenses. That goes for laws that both protect and restrict us. That also goes for those who want too much secrecy or too much transparency. This is what anarchists and libertarians wish for and they drag others with them, like far right and far left types. There is never any “middle” or “reasonable” ground with them.

640 geoffm33  Jun 19, 2014 10:05:06am

re: #638 Gus

@healthandcents

No.

641 sattv4u2  Jun 19, 2014 10:05:13am

re: #637 Killgore Trout

Are we getting another statement from Obama today? Any bets?

The statement will be to announce when the next statement will be scheduled

642 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 19, 2014 10:05:30am

re: #333 goddamnedfrank

Every now and then I get in a phase where I’ll look around in Zillow or Trulia for dream homes, it’s a good way to see some of the weird choices people make. Like this place. It’s been on the market a while now and the price has dropped two million. I looked into it and the guy built it as an entertainment complex, so people could rent it out and hold gatherings there. Only problem is the structures are built right near the property line, his neighbor got sick of the noise and filed a complaint. That resulted in a new county rule that strictly limited the number of large gatherings county property could host through the year.

Anyway the picture below is my point.

If it wasn’t formerly alive and then snuffed out in its prime I don’t want it in my home!

Anyone who had spent some time in the saddle would know those saddle bar stools “may” look good, but not sit good at a bar.

643 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 10:05:57am

Here we go…

Brent crude extends push above $115 a barrel to trade at 9-month high - @MarketWatch
see original on twitter.com

644 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 10:06:18am

WATCH: Obama to address Iraq at 12:30 p.m.

President Barack Obama is also expected to announce Thursday that he is deploying about 100 Green Berets to Iraq to help train and advise Iraqi forces, according to a U.S. official. The president has said he has no plans to send Americans to Iraq for combat missions.

645 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 10:06:44am
646 sattv4u2  Jun 19, 2014 10:07:29am

re: #626 Kragar

So they assign a guy to be my backup, but when I assign him work to do tomorrow when we’re having our company picnic, I’m told I can’t do that because he’s too unreliable.

I love management.

Watch out though

You don’t want to get Wally Pipped!!

647 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 10:07:31am

re: #637 Killgore Trout

Are we getting another statement from Obama today? Any bets?

Right, Obama. You mean the president? Imagine that. A president making statements about a developing world event. Sure enough McCain, Graham, et al, are always making statements. Daily. McCain seems to get more air time than the president. Anyway, carry on with your trolling snark.

648 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 10:07:37am
649 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 10:08:01am

re: #641 sattv4u2

The statement will be to announce when the next statement will be scheduled

Announcements about possible future announcement seem to come from the lawn with the helicopter as a backdrop. Nice announcements come from the Rose Garden. Serious announcements come from the Oval Office. We’ll see what venue he chooses.

650 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 10:08:08am
651 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 10:08:49am

re: #634 Gus

Why are such swarms entering the U.S. illegally NOW, particularly children? Newspapers in Mexico and Central and South America are actually describing U.S. “open borders,” encouraging people to come with promises of food stamps or “amnesty.” It is textbook Cloward-Piven strategy to overwhelm and collapse the economic and social systems, in order to replace them with a “new socialist order” under federal control.

Conspiracism goes mainstream.

652 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 10:08:58am

re: #649 Killgore Trout

Announcements about possible future announcement seem to come from the lawn with the helicopter as a backdrop. Nice announcements come from the Rose Garden. Serious announcements come from the Oval Office. We’ll see what venue he chooses.

Thank you Ben Shapiro. You’re starting to sound like them. Congrats.

653 Kragar  Jun 19, 2014 10:09:53am
654 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 10:10:08am

Any minute now we’ll get a wave of Middle East news links. All of which of course will be bad news.

655 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 10:11:46am

re: #642 BeenHereAwhile

Anyone who had spent some time in the saddle would know those saddle bar stools “may” look good, but not sit good at a bar.

And that log and twig furniture that’s ubiquitous and considered “high” decorating style for multi-million dollar “lodge” houses like Romney’s would get awfully boring quickly. Plus, I think it looks awful. I might go for a few pieces on a porch, but other than that, forget it.

zillow.com

656 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 10:13:47am

That story posted here earlier about the man in Georgia who shot himself in the willy at a gas station?

I sent that to my girlfriend, and she laughed about it, of course. Then she posted it on her FB, and now all her friends back home in Uganda are laughing about it, and posting it to their friends.

Congratulations, Georgia! You’re about to become a global news item!

657 sattv4u2  Jun 19, 2014 10:14:53am

re: #654 Gus

Any minute now we’ll get a wave of Middle East news links. All of which of course will be bad news.

Cheer up.. Here you go!!!

goodnewsnetwork.org

658 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 10:16:18am

Speak when you have something constructive to say, Bonehead.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, criticizes Obama administration on Iraq, Veterans Affairs and IRS scandals, immigration in weekly press conference; ‘You look at this presidency, and you can’t help but get the sense that the wheels are coming off’ - @thehill
Read more on thehill.com

659 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 10:17:05am

re: #658 Justanotherhuman

Speak when you have something constructive to say, Bonehead.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, criticizes Obama administration on Iraq, Veterans Affairs and IRS scandals, immigration in weekly press conference; ‘You look at this presidency, and you can’t help but get the sense that the wheels are coming off’ - @thehill
Read more on thehill.com

I’m honestly shocked he didn’t sneak in an Obamacare complaint with that.

660 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 10:17:26am

re: #657 sattv4u2

Cheer up.. Here you go!!!

goodnewsnetwork.org

goodnewsnetwork.org
They have a whole section on good news from Saudi Arabia. Consists of one story from last month. Good News: there’s plenty of empty space for more stories in the future!

661 klys  Jun 19, 2014 10:22:53am

So there’s an Extremely Large Telescope being built in Chile and they’re going to blow up a mountain top for it. So what do you do in the modern age? You stream it.

We’re still in the talking astronomer portion of the program, but at some point there will be explosions. Tune in here if you’re curious.

662 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 10:23:50am

Haha, on a rerun of the Fox clip just now on MSNBC with Megan Kelly and Darth Cheney, he called her “Reagan” then corrected himself.

663 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2014 10:24:28am

re: #658 Justanotherhuman

Speak when you have something constructive to say, Bonehead.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, criticizes Obama administration on Iraq, Veterans Affairs and IRS scandals, immigration in weekly press conference; ‘You look at this presidency, and you can’t help but get the sense that the wheels are coming off’ - @thehill
Read more on thehill.com

Damn, have we all forgotten bout Bowe Bergdahl?

664 klys  Jun 19, 2014 10:24:30am
665 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 10:25:29am

re: #662 Justanotherhuman

Haha, on a rerun of the Fox clip just now on MSNBC with Megan Kelly and Darth Cheney, he called her “Reagan” then corrected himself.

Maybe he meant Regan from The Exorcist.

666 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2014 10:25:33am

re: #637 Killgore Trout

Are we getting another statement from Obama today? Any bets?

Yes. I bet you’ll find something to whine about.

667 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2014 10:25:52am

re: #658 Justanotherhuman

Speak when you have something constructive to say, Bonehead.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, criticizes Obama administration on Iraq, Veterans Affairs and IRS scandals, immigration in weekly press conference; ‘You look at this presidency, and you can’t help but get the sense that the wheels are coming off’ - @thehill
Read more on thehill.com

Yup. The wheels will come off HRC’s administration too, in 2022.

668 klys  Jun 19, 2014 10:26:12am

re: #663 Timothy Watson

Damn, have we all forgotten bout Bowe Bergdahl?

No, the Republicans held some hearings yesterday where his former platoon members were allowed to come out and slander him some more, more deaths were laid at his feet, and at least one father of a dead soldier who supposedly died looking for Bergdahl was asked if he would have traded 5 Taliban to get his son back.

Don’t worry, they’re still all over it.

669 sattv4u2  Jun 19, 2014 10:26:28am

re: #666 GlutenFreeJesus

Yes. I bet you’ll find something to whine about.

I have something!

The other day I spilled something on one of my favorite shirts

The stain, it did not come out!!!

670 sagehen  Jun 19, 2014 10:27:59am

re: #659 HappyWarrior

I’m honestly shocked he didn’t sneak in an Obamacare complaint with that.

I’m honestly shocked he didn’t suggest tax cuts to solve all the aforementioned problems.

671 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2014 10:28:13am

re: #665 HappyWarrior

Maybe he meant Regan from The Exorcist.

Lear’s daughter, Goneril’s sister.

672 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 10:28:17am

re: #666 GlutenFreeJesus

Yes. I bet you’ll find something to whine about.

I’m not happy about sending 100 special forces but I still hope it works out well.

673 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 10:28:35am

OBAMA STATEMENTS!!!! QUESTIONS!! WE HAVE MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS!!11!!!

674 sattv4u2  Jun 19, 2014 10:28:56am

re: #666 GlutenFreeJesus

re: #669 sattv4u2

I have something!

The other day I spilled something on one of my favorite shirts

The stain, it did not come out!!!

Oh ,, and another thing

Because of being so crazy at work, I haven’t golfed in over three weeks!!

675 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 10:29:12am

re: #671 Decatur Deb

Lear’s daughter, Goneril’s sister.

Ha good one.

676 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2014 10:29:18am

re: #672 Killgore Trout

I’m not happy about sending 100 special forces but I still hope it works out well.

Good news never travels by helicopter.

677 klys  Jun 19, 2014 10:29:22am

re: #673 Backwoods_Sleuth

OBAMA STATEMENTS!!!! QUESTIONS!! WE HAVE MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS!!11!!!

CAT.

678 sagehen  Jun 19, 2014 10:30:33am

re: #665 HappyWarrior

Maybe he meant Regan from The Exorcist.

Or Regan the Ungrateful Child from King Lear — how dare she disrespect Papa Ailes by not fawning all over Ailes’ Favorite VP Ever?

679 sattv4u2  Jun 19, 2014 10:31:10am

re: #676 Decatur Deb

Good news never travels by helicopter.

Not true

tripadvisor.com

680 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 10:31:12am

re: #649 Killgore Trout

Announcements about possible future announcement seem to come from the lawn with the helicopter as a backdrop. Nice announcements come from the Rose Garden. Serious announcements come from the Oval Office. We’ll see what venue he chooses.

Curveball! He’s speaking from the Dominican Republic. I didn’t see that one coming.

681 sattv4u2  Jun 19, 2014 10:32:02am

re: #680 Killgore Trout

Curveball! He’s speaking from the Dominican Republic. I didn’t see that one coming.

We’re sending troops the the Dominican Republic???

682 klys  Jun 19, 2014 10:34:04am

683 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2014 10:34:20am

re: #679 sattv4u2

Old Army Aviation saying.

684 sattv4u2  Jun 19, 2014 10:35:05am

re: #683 Decatur Deb

Old Army Aviation saying.

I know. Naval air too

Cousin was navy aviator

685 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 10:36:03am

Here is Pres Obama.

686 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 10:38:18am

Damn, I stepped out for a minute. What did I miss?

687 sattv4u2  Jun 19, 2014 10:39:15am

re: #686 Killgore Trout

Damn, I stepped out for a minute. What did I miss?

lessee

I whined because I ruined a shirt and haven’t golfed in three weeks!!

688 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 10:39:47am

So, we are sending Spcial Forces into Iraq?

689 sattv4u2  Jun 19, 2014 10:39:54am

re: #687 sattv4u2

lessee

I whined because I ruined a shirt and haven’t golfed in three weeks!!

and on that note,,, errands beckon

690 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 10:40:00am
691 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 10:40:56am

re: #687 sattv4u2

lessee

I whined because I ruined a shirt and haven’t golfed in three weeks!!

lol

692 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2014 10:41:32am
After the last of the other inmates left, Jacob Harvey asked the teacher if she could open the bathroom and then attacked her, records show. Harvey is accused of stabbing her in the head with a pen, forcing her to the ground and raping her.

The teacher told investigators that she screamed for help, but none came. Afterward, Harvey tried to use her radio to call for help. It had apparently been changed to a channel the unit’s guards didn’t use, so Harvey let the woman use a phone, according to the reports.

Carl ToersBijns, a former deputy warden at the prison, said the assault highlights chronic understaffing and lax security policies that put staff members at risk.

“Here you’ve got a guy that commits a hell of a crime… and he’s put into an environment that actually gives him an opportunity to do his criminality because of a lack of staffing,” said ToersBijns, who was deputy warden at the Eyman prison in Florence until retiring in 2010 and oversaw the Meadows Unit for 19 months.

State prison officials, however, dismiss the concerns. They say the assault at the prison about 60 miles southeast of Phoenix is a risk that comes with the job of overseeing violent prison inmates.

timesdispatch.com

693 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2014 10:41:33am

re: #690 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Those monsters!

694 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 10:42:05am

Working to secure embassy, relocating some and sending in reinforcement.

Increased intelligence, recon.

Will increase support to Iraqi security forces.

Prepared to work w/Congress to provide more equipment and up to 300 advisors.

No combat forces in Iraq.

Increased military “assets” in region. Region.

Will take precise military action if situation requires it after consulting w/Congress and those in region.

Partnerships with local forces taking lead.

Working w/leaders to support stability in Iraq.

Kerry consulting w/allies and partners.

Iraqi leaders must rise above differences and make political plan.

National unity meetings and new parliament convened to begin new legitimate dialogue.

Only leaders who can govern with an inclusive agenda can push forward.

US must ask hard questions before taking military action abroad.

.

695 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 10:42:59am

Oil!

696 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 10:43:17am

re: #694 Justanotherhuman

So, Special Forces is going to secure the Oil, the rest is window dressing?

697 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 10:43:33am

re: #692 Timothy Watson

timesdispatch.com

good freakin grief!

698 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 10:43:49am

re: #694 Justanotherhuman

thanks.

699 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 10:43:55am

“It’s not our job to choose Iraq’s leaders.” POTUS

No secret that there is deep division between Sunni, Shia and Kurdish leaders; will be hard for Central Iraqi govt to make decisions.

Whether Maliki or someone else is leader must be agenda that all 3 have opportunity to advance their interests through political process.

700 Kragar  Jun 19, 2014 10:44:06am

So for the last week or so, we’ve been watching Smallville at home.

Now my wife is Japanese, and really doesn’t have a grasp of DC comics or the back ground at all.

She watched all of Season 1 without realizing the story was about Superman, until my daughter got frustrated and told her, even then, she didn’t quite believe it.

We’re currently wrapping up Season 2 and she still thinks Lex Luthor will end up as a good guy.

701 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2014 10:44:10am

re: #696 FemNaziBitch

So, Special Forces is going to secure the oil, the rest is window dressing?

Sounds like we sent out for more popcorn.

702 Patricia Kayden  Jun 19, 2014 10:45:01am

re: #125 FemNaziBitch

Tea Partier Chris McDaniel’s Mississippi KKK Connection

Not surprised by this at all. I expect that quite a few Tea Party folk have KKK/White Supremacist connections. This won’t hurt McDaniel at all among his type of electorate.

703 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 10:46:26am

They arrested one of the suspects in Brian Terry’s death. So, Issa’s Fast and Furious scandal is coming to a close.

What will be left for the GOP to bitch about on the campaign trail?

704 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2014 10:47:02am

re: #702 Patricia Kayden

Not surprised by this at all. I expect that quite a few Tea Party folk have KKK/White Supremacist connections. This won’t hurt McDaniel at all among his type of electorate.

If it’s the same article I read, the McDaniel klan connection was the Cochran connection in the past. Mississippi.

705 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 10:48:33am
706 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 10:48:36am

re: #701 Decatur Deb

Sounds like we sent out for more popcorn.

Is this better? I updated it.

707 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 10:49:36am

re: #705 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Of course not, we only support military options to secure our own interests.

This as been the status quo since Vietnam.

708 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 10:50:47am

Lots of hints about partnering with Iran

709 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 10:52:49am

re: #696 FemNaziBitch

So, Special Forces is going to secure the Oil, the rest is window dressing?

Really, it should be:

“So, Special Forces is going to secure the Oil, the rest is salad dressing.”

much better, doncha’ think.

710 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 10:53:09am

Shifting counter terror assets from Afghanistan to the Gulf?

711 Bulworth  Jun 19, 2014 10:53:56am

re: #664 klys

[Embedded image]WHY WITH THE HANDBASKET, WHY?

if you insist on posting kitteh pics I will insist on updinging them.

712 Bulworth  Jun 19, 2014 10:54:22am

Obama worser than Bush!!!

713 FemNaziBitch  Jun 19, 2014 10:54:32am

bbl

714 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 10:55:43am

re: #709 FemNaziBitch

Really, it should be:

“So, Special Forces is going to secure the Oil, the rest is salad dressing.”

much better, doncha’ think.

So, it’s supposed to be up to us to “nation build” or save a country that can’t do it after all the blood and money we spent there?

I don’t think so.

715 piratedan  Jun 19, 2014 10:55:46am

re: #686 Killgore Trout

we’ve decided that your services are no longer needed, but on the other hand, The Daily Kos does still have some Troll positions to be filled and I’m sure that Charles can write you a glowing recommendation that touches upon your abilities to cite unhelpful links, take commentary out of context and your advanced magical balance fairy tendencies.

716 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 19, 2014 10:59:34am

Shiny new LGF poll
littlegreenfootballs.com

Iraq wants our air power-Yes, no or hell no?

717 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 19, 2014 11:00:49am

re: #705 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Shorter White House.

No.

718 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 19, 2014 11:27:32am

re: #533 Justanotherhuman

No, John McCain, Pres Obama is not “fiddling while Iraq burns.”

Go take a nap.

McCain and others who want to score political points are conveniently overlooking that the unrest in Iraq is more of an uprising by 5 - 6 million Sunni against the Shi’a government allied (for now) with ISIS.

It’s much more than just a few thousand foreign Sunni fighters.

719 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 19, 2014 11:35:46am

re: #552 Feline Fearless Leader

I actually doubt it. They will simply have informal procedures for handling it. Shoot first, and if necessary plant a firearm on the corpse*. And the same would apply to the National Guardsmen - once they are there I suspect that protecting their own asses when out doing evictions is going to be stronger than debating the legality of the action right then and there. (Barracks talk perhaps, but not on the scene.) And I suspect once they’ve done one or two evictions most of them will construct the personal justifications for continuing with the activity.

* - Fictional case, but see “L.A. Confidential”.

I’ve known more than a few LEOs who carry a “drop gun.”

720 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 19, 2014 11:51:28am

re: #626 Kragar

So they assign a guy to be my backup, but when I assign him work to do tomorrow when we’re having our company picnic, I’m told I can’t do that because he’s too unreliable.

I love management.

I worked for a firm who would hire what I called, SOFOL.

(Son Of Friend Of Lou - Lou being the majority stockholder of the firm)

721 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 19, 2014 12:00:49pm

re: #681 sattv4u2

We’re sending troops the the Dominican Republic???

What again?

722 Romantic Heretic  Jun 19, 2014 12:03:50pm

re: #673 Backwoods_Sleuth

OBAMA STATEMENTS!!!! QUESTIONS!! WE HAVE MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS!!11!!!

The one I always ask the dudebros is, “Can you actually dress yourselves?”

I have yet to receive an affirmative answer.

723 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 19, 2014 12:06:23pm

re: #696 FemNaziBitch

So, Special Forces is going to secure the Oil, the rest is window dressing?

IIUC, the oil patch which supplies the refinery in under the control of the Kurds and Peshmerga.

So if ISIS has control of the refinery, they have no oil to refine.

724 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 12:18:28pm

re: #721 BeenHereAwhile

What again?

Limbaugh needs more Viagra…

725 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:14:18pm

re: #641 sattv4u2

The statement will be to announce when the next statement will be scheduled

Have an offset +1


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