Michele Bachmann: Too Crazy for Fox’s Neil Cavuto

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This is obviously intended to be the opening move in the Republican Party’s last-ditch attempt to mount an impeachment campaign against President Obama, and it’s a measure of how loony the GOP has become that even Fox News wingnut Neil Cavuto thinks this is monumentally stupid.

Here’s video from ThinkProgress of Cavuto’s blowup at Michele “Crazy Eyes” Bachmann, and lo, it is good.

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1 Kragar  Jun 25, 2014 2:30:20pm

“Your stupidity is undermining our evil!”

2 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 25, 2014 2:33:38pm

I’ll repeat. This is not really aimed at Obama. It is aimed at the likelihood of 8 years of Hillary.

You will see right wingers threatening to leave the US en masse* should Hillary win and continue to use Executive Orders. The fact that the right wing noise machine was entirely silent during GW Bush’s record-setting use of these Orders speaks volumes, and the prospect that at least 16 years of continuous Democrat Presidents can use them is just too much for them to bear.

*just where they plan to go, I don’t know. Maybe Russia and into “Macho Man” Putin’s arms at this point if they can get past the point they don’t allow guns.

3 Kid A  Jun 25, 2014 2:34:56pm

Crazy Eyes lost Fox?

4 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 2:36:21pm

re: #2 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I’ll repeat. This is not really aimed at Obama. It is aimed at the likelihood of 8 years of Hillary.

You will see right wingers threatening to leave the US en masse should Hillary win and continue to use Executive Orders. The fact that the right wing noise machine was entirely silent during GW Bush’s record-setting use of these Orders speaks volumes, and the prospect that at least 16 years of continuous Democrat Presidents can use them is just too much for them to bear.

Honestly, it scares the Hell out of me. But I’ve come to the conclusion that the use of executive orders has gone too far and that it had gone too far before Obama took office. The powers of the president need to be dialed back a bit and some of its cases of rule-making need to be restored to the Congress, even if the Congress does not act on them.

5 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2014 2:36:32pm

It’s a sad day when even Fox calls you on your Quixotic quest to finally kill that windmill.

6 ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2014 2:36:52pm

I just asked in the last thread if she needs to be sent to a pray the dumbass away therapist.

Some said it wouldn’t work, but I answered that getting her off the streets for some time and not having to hear her could be a good thing.

And who knows. Maybe it could backfire and cause her to go into some kind of mute mode due to the post traumatic outcome of the therapy.

7 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 2:37:23pm

re: #3 Kid A

Crazy Eyes lost Fox?

Orders have apparently been issued to the Ailes/Murdoch machine.

8 Lidane  Jun 25, 2014 2:38:48pm

Never mind the idiocy of the lawsuit. Crazy Eyes was babbling about defunding the Executive Branch. Let that sink in a while.

A sitting member of Congress is floating the idea of defunding the Executive Branch of government. Because that’s a totally rational position to take. WTF.

9 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 2:39:41pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Honestly, it scares the Hell out of me. But I’ve come to the conclusion that the use of executive orders has gone too far and that it had gone too far before Obama took office. The powers of the president need to be dialed back a bit and some of its cases of rule-making need to be restored to the Congress, even if the Congress does not act on them.

Real separation of powers issues aren’t going to be helped by a bunch of tea bagger hypocrites in Congress going nuts because a ______ is in the white house.

10 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 2:40:01pm

re: #9 EPR-radar

Real separation of powers issues aren’t going to be helped by a bunch of tea bagger hypocrites in Congress going nuts because a ______ is in the white house.

Indeed.

11 ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2014 2:40:09pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Honestly, it scares the Hell out of me. But I’ve come to the conclusion that the use of executive orders has gone too far and that it had gone too far before Obama took office. The powers of the president need to be dialed back a bit and some of its cases of rule-making need to be restored to the Congress, even if the Congress does not act on them.

Disagree totally. It is good for such a time as this with a do-nothing congress.

What fixes do you have for them…since they are dominated by Republicans…your kind of politicians? Funny you never seem to address that problem. Who knows, maybe you don’t see that as a problem, as you never really criticize them.

12 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 25, 2014 2:41:42pm

Just when I thought I reached rock bottom, someone knocked from down below. /

13 ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2014 2:41:43pm

re: #8 Lidane

Never mind the idiocy of the lawsuit. Crazy Eyes was babbling about defunding the Executive Branch. Let that sink in a while.

A sitting member of Congress is floating the idea of defunding the Executive Branch of government. Because that’s a totally rational position to take. WTF.

A branch that she ran for. Just goes to show how craven she is…so much so she can’t even keep up with her own actions politically.

14 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2014 2:41:50pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Honestly, it scares the Hell out of me. But I’ve come to the conclusion that the use of executive orders has gone too far and that it had gone too far before Obama took office. The powers of the president need to be dialed back a bit and some of its cases of rule-making need to be restored to the Congress, even if the Congress does not act on them.

When Republicans acknowledge they rigged House elections to the point that they got 1 million fewer votes but still kept their majority, then we’ll have a serious talk about separation of power.

15 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 2:42:36pm

re: #11 ObserverArt

Disagree totally. It is good for such a time as this with a do-nothing congress.

What fixes do you have for them…since they are dominated by Republicans…your kind of politicians? Funny you never seem to address that problem. Who knows, maybe you don’t see that as a problem, as you never really criticize them.

I have to agree here. If Congress is going to continue to block anything that POTUS proposes, it’s inevitable that executive power will increase in which case I think the R’s in Congress are to blame for such a rise for refusing to even consider slight compromise. Of course, Congressional Republicans had little problem with a powerful executive when one of their own was in charge but the second Obama uses the same privilige that Bush used more than any of his predecessors, they act like executive orders are this terrible thing that needs to be stopped. It’s not merely dishonest political hypocrisy. It’s bad for the country.

16 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 2:43:03pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Honestly, it scares the Hell out of me. But I’ve come to the conclusion that the use of executive orders has gone too far and that it had gone too far before Obama took office. The powers of the president need to be dialed back a bit and some of its cases of rule-making need to be restored to the Congress, even if the Congress does not act on them.

On the substantive point relating to domestic federal agencies, consider the EPA. It has a mandate from Congress to deal with environmental issues, and a grant of substantive rule making authority to deal with details that Congress frankly shouldn’t be dealing with.

What it is about this basic model that really needs to be changed?

17 lawhawk  Jun 25, 2014 2:43:23pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

EOs have been a fixture of Executive power for the 20th Century; if anything the number of EOs has declined significantly since FDR. Obama has issued them at a lower pace than any President since Cleveland.

That’s a sign that this isn’t the problem Boehner and the rest of the crackpot GOP thinks it is. It’s about trying to further constrain Obama’s ability to circumvent a GOP that refuses to engage in actual politics - compromising and cutting deals that means no one gets 100% of what they want, but they get something.

This GOP has no interest in compromise, it’s a slash and burn all or nothing, shut down the government GOP. EOs may cut into that, but only on the margins. Even that is too much for this GOP.

But it wasn’t long ago that the GOP bristled at any Democrat attempts to even inquire into reducing the ability of GOP Presidents to issue EOs.

If there was an honest evaluation of EOs and Congress indeed saw Executive overreach, the President would likewise have reason to maintain his power - and a political question is one that the judiciary shouldn’t take up.

18 Kragar  Jun 25, 2014 2:44:55pm

“How dare the POTUS use executive orders to get around Republican obstructionism!”

19 lawhawk  Jun 25, 2014 2:45:05pm

re: #16 EPR-radar

It goes to the fundamental GOP position that government must be slashed - so chopping the EPA and other agencies and their bureaucratic rule making would fit into the GOP worldview of smaller government, even if it is ill-advised and unwarranted considering the complexity of the economy, the need to protect the environment, workplace, etc.

20 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 2:45:42pm

re: #11 ObserverArt

Disagree totally. It is good for such a time as this with a do-nothing congress.

What fixes do you have for them…since they are dominated by Republicans…your kind of politicians? Funny you never seem to address that problem. Who knows, maybe you don’t see that as a problem, as you never really criticize them.

I don’t have a fix, not really. I think things should stay paralyzed until one side is voted out or capitulates, or if that cannot happen then we should just admit that the American republic cannot survive the confluence of modern ideology and mass communications. If that last is the truth, then I’d prefer just to admit it and restructure the the government accordingly.

21 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 2:46:08pm

I’m starting to feel that the only thing that acceptable to the Congressional GOP would be Obama not only resigning but also allowing them to draw, quarter, and hang him, and even that may not be acceptable since they’d want a stupid show trial first.

22 Flying Squirrel Girl  Jun 25, 2014 2:46:12pm

re: #2 Rocky-in-Connecticut

While I was living in Costa Rica, I once saw a truck at the airport with a bumper sticker that read “Conservative in exile.” I laughed out loud, thinking about the “D’oh!” that ensued when they figured out they were in a truly socialist country — and one with no military to boot!

23 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 2:46:55pm

re: #17 lawhawk

EOs have been a fixture of Executive power for the 20th Century; if anything the number of EOs has declined significantly since FDR. Obama has issued them at a lower pace than any President since Cleveland.

That’s a sign that this isn’t the problem Boehner and the rest of the crackpot GOP thinks it is. It’s about trying to further constrain Obama’s ability to circumvent a GOP that refuses to engage in actual politics - compromising and cutting deals that means no one gets 100% of what they want, but they get something.

This GOP has no interest in compromise, it’s a slash and burn all or nothing, shut down the government GOP. EOs may cut into that, but only on the margins. Even that is too much for this GOP.

But it wasn’t long ago that the GOP bristled at any Democrat attempts to even inquire into reducing the ability of GOP Presidents to issue EOs.

If there was an honest evaluation of EOs and Congress indeed saw Executive overreach, the President would likewise have reason to maintain his power - and a political question is one that the judiciary shouldn’t take up.

That wasn’t what you said this morning. Then you seemed to see Boehner’s lawsuit as raising legitimate issues.

24 Gus  Jun 25, 2014 2:47:12pm

Dear Neil Cavuto,

You built that.

Sincerely,

Me

25 ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2014 2:47:16pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

I don’t have a fix, not really. I think things should stay paralyzed until one side is voted out or capitulates, or if that cannot happen then we should just admit that the American republic cannot survive the confluence of modern ideology and mass communications. If that last is the truth, then I’d prefer just to admit it and restructure the the government accordingly.

So, are you ready to start voting them out? Are you reaching a breaking point with the GOP?

26 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2014 2:47:40pm

re: #17 lawhawk

During the Bush years, I remember frequent Republican flirtation with the idea of making the line item veto constitutional. “Why,” they would say, “can governors in certain states use this power to avoid wasteful spending but we can’t?” This, of course, had everything to do with their anger that they couldn’t get a budget passed without agreeing to some spending that Democrats approved of, knowing they’d get knocked for it by voters come election time.

Now let’s consider how Republicans today would respond today to Democrats proposing that the line item veto be made constitutional.

27 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 2:48:16pm

re: #17 lawhawk

Congress has the power to impeach the president. In principle, that is the only recourse if Congress feels that the president isn’t following the law.

The perception by fellow GOPers in Congress that Nixon was lawless in this sense is what doomed Nixon.

Since then, one of the RWNJ pet projects has been to reduce impeachment to a vulgar partisan exercise, where it is now completely apparent that no (D) president could ever serve along with a Congress with a House (R) majority and 2/3 (R) in the Senate.

28 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2014 2:48:40pm

re: #25 ObserverArt

So, are you ready to start voting them out? Are you reaching a breaking point with the GOP?

What do you ask the impossible of him?

29 dog philosopher  Jun 25, 2014 2:48:51pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Honestly, it scares the Hell out of me. But I’ve come to the conclusion that the use of executive orders has gone too far and that it had gone too far before Obama took office. The powers of the president need to be dialed back a bit and some of its cases of rule-making need to be restored to the Congress, even if the Congress does not act on them.

Of course, nothing President Reagan did through the use of his executive order power could possibly match the severity of Obama’s attempt to get around an obstructionist Congress in order to accomplish his own agenda, right?

Not so much.

Do the words ‘National Security Agency’ ring a bell?

The NSA, of course, is the government body that has been collecting our phone and Internet data while spying on Americans and foreigners (including foreign leaders) in ways that have infuriated the very Republicans—along with just about everyone else—who hold Ronald Wilson Reagan up to be the icon of modern day conservatism.

As a result, you might be surprised to learn the following bit of history:

It was President Reagan’s infamous Executive Order 12333 (referred to as “twelve-triple-three”) that established and handed to the NSA virtually all of the powers under which the agency operates to this day—allowing the agency to collect the data that so many now find to be so offensive.

McClatchy describes Executive Order 12333 as follows:

“It is a sweeping mandate that outlines the duties and foreign intelligence collection for the nation’s 17 intelligence agencies. It is not governed by Congress, and critics say it has little privacy protection and many loopholes.”

However, to take the tact of accusing Mr. Obama of a “lawless presidency”, while lauding previous presidents who did the identical thing, is just so much more hypocrisy on the part of leaders like Congressman Ryan who are far more wedded to the process of scoring political points than they are to remaining true to history or governing with good intent.

Or could it be that people like Paul Ryan—a man who holds a great deal of power and responsibility in our government—are simply ignorant of our history and the subject matter upon which they deign to expound?

Either way, there is little comfort to be gained when our system is so disgustingly politicized that a president is accused of lawlessness when following in the very same footsteps of previous presidents hailed as some of the greatest heroes of the nation.

The ‘Lawless’ Presidencies Of Barack Obama and Ronald Reagan

30 nines09  Jun 25, 2014 2:50:28pm

re: #24 Gus

Dear Neil Cavuto,

You built that.

Sincerely,

Me

How’s that bus handling now Neil? Do you feel a loose wheel or two? Screws on the floor? Nuts lying around? Uh oh.

31 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 2:50:59pm

Really House GOP, if you have a problem with what Obama is doing, stop opposing on default everything he proposes.Stop viewing failure to compromise as a virtue rather than the sign of someone who is a stubborn jackass. Even Ted Kennedy after Bush fucked up Iraq was willing to work with President Bush on immigration.

32 ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2014 2:51:38pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

What do you ask the impossible of him?

Just asking qwestyuns!

I do get the feeling he thinks the side that should get voted out or capitulate are the Democrats. Anyone want to take a bet?

: )

33 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 2:51:41pm

re: #30 Nines All The Times

How’s that bus handling now Neil? Do you feel a loose wheel or two? Screws on the floor? Nuts lying around? Uh oh.

I honestly have little sympathy for the saner cons since they’re the ones who have enabled the lunatic fringe for decades.

34 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2014 2:52:06pm

re: #32 ObserverArt

Just asking qwestyuns!

I do get the feeling he thinks the side that should get voted out or capitulate are the Democrats. Anyone want to take a bet?

: )

I don’t bet on sure things.

35 lawhawk  Jun 25, 2014 2:52:30pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

Well, this morning I was looking at it if it was an honest lawsuit on the merits. After researching the issue a bit, his suit is anything but - the numbers show there’s nothing to the Boehner suit; there isn’t overreach.

36 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2014 2:52:47pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

I honestly have little sympathy for the saner cons since they’re the ones who have enabled the lunatic fringe for decades.

Shit, I have no sympathy whatsoever for Fox pundits who are now finding that the nutters they’ve been enabling for years are getting ready to take this bus off the cliff.

37 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 2:53:25pm

re: #25 ObserverArt

So, are you ready to start voting them out? Are you reaching a breaking point with the GOP?

No, because in Illinois its the Democrats who are the problem and the GOP’s senator is a good guy. So its case of locality trumping trends in other states, though this does also have the effect of making me a vociferous foe of gerrymandering as well.

38 Gus  Jun 25, 2014 2:53:34pm

FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT (R)

39 Gus  Jun 25, 2014 2:53:54pm
40 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 2:53:56pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Shit, I have no sympathy whatsoever for Fox pundits who are now finding that the nutters they’ve been enabling for years are getting ready to take this bus off the cliff.

Seriously. What the hell do these people think is going to happen when you keep on telling a bunch of nuts that they are the true patriots and that everyone who opposes them is unpatriotic and doesn’t love America? No sympathy for them either. They created this machine. Now they have to destroy it.

41 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 2:54:01pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

I don’t have a fix, not really. I think things should stay paralyzed until one side is voted out or capitulates, or if that cannot happen then we should just admit that the American republic cannot survive the confluence of modern ideology and mass communications. If that last is the truth, then I’d prefer just to admit it and restructure the the government accordingly.

Assuming you’d like the Democrats to be the side to capitulate or get thoroughly voted out, one does wonder at what you’d imagine the good results of unfettered GOP rule to be.

42 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 2:55:00pm

re: #35 lawhawk

Well, this morning I was looking at it if it was an honest lawsuit on the merits. After researching the issue a bit, his suit is anything but - the numbers show there’s nothing to the Boehner suit; there isn’t overreach.

That was a silly assumption. Boehner hasn’t done anything honestly on the merits in decades.

43 Egregious Philbin  Jun 25, 2014 2:56:27pm

The tea party rabble hate it when the grown ups scold them.

Christ on a popsicle stick, this woman is in-freaking-sane.

If someone like Cavuto is going to rip her a new one, then they are just doomed to be laughed at.

Bravo Cavuto, someone on Fox actually has the stones to tell off a batshiate insane kook.

44 ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2014 2:56:33pm

Anyone else starting to wonder what is up with Fox? They sort of got after Dickless Cheney…now they are questioning Crazy Congress Lady. I think there have been some other examples of them throwing some curve balls.

Not that they are going to not back conservatives, but are they starting to come to grips with the facts that backing wingnuts, tea party types and neocons isn’t working and in fact may be hurting?

Something is up. But, I think I’ll still not watch!

45 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 2:56:39pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

No, because in Illinois its the Democrats who are the problem and the GOP’s senator is a good guy. So its case of locality trumping trends in other states, though this does also have the effect of making me a vociferous foe of gerrymandering as well.

Ah, the illustrious Mark Kirk, who apparently can’t give a straight answer on marriage equality because he has to appease bigots in the GOP base?

46 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 2:56:40pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

No, because in Illinois its the Democrats who are the problem and the GOP’s senator is a good guy. So its case of locality trumping trends in other states, though this does also have the effect of making me a vociferous foe of gerrymandering as well.

Correct me if I am wrong here but wasn’t your state’s last GOP governor convicted of crimes? I’d hardly say it’s only the Democrats that are the only problem in Illinois. That’s just prosperous to say. I may prefer the VA Dems over the VA R’s but I’d never would say that the VA R’s were the only problem. And guess what I ahd a good guy Republican senator too and now the party’s been replaced with people like Cuccinneli, E.W Jackson, and the guy who doesn’t know if martial rape can happen and the guy who said Downs is God punishing women for abortion.

47 lawhawk  Jun 25, 2014 2:56:42pm

re: #39 Gus

Obama might have a flurry of pardons before he leaves office, but his makeup doesn’t seem to point to that happening. He’s very stingy (overly so) on pardons. And that power of the pardon is exclusive to the president; there’s no limits except those that are self imposed.

48 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2014 2:57:38pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

No, because in Illinois its the Democrats who are the problem and the GOP’s senator is a good guy. So its case of locality trumping trends in other states, though this does also have the effect of making me a vociferous foe of gerrymandering as well.

So yes, you really do believe that the side that should voted out or capitulate should be Congressional Democrats.

49 Justanotherhuman  Jun 25, 2014 2:57:40pm

re: #8 Lidane

Never mind the idiocy of the lawsuit. Crazy Eyes was babbling about defunding the Executive Branch. Let that sink in a while.

A sitting member of Congress is floating the idea of defunding the Executive Branch of government. Because that’s a totally rational position to take. WTF.

That is insurrection.

They know exactly what they’re doing. And it’s why they’re dialing up the hate for that n-clang! in the WH by pretending he’s overstepping his bounds where a white president has carte blanche.

50 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 2:57:53pm

re: #45 EPR-radar

Ah, the illustrious Mark Kirk, who apparently can’t give a straight answer on marriage equality because he has to appease bigots in the GOP base?

I thought that was the GOP candidate for governor there. Shrug either way. This is the old “My guy isn’t the problem” tact that explains why despite Congress being less popular than being kicked in the nuts by a Thai kickboxer that we overwhelmingly return our Congresspeople.

51 ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2014 2:58:09pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

No, because in Illinois its the Democrats who are the problem and the GOP’s senator is a good guy. So its case of locality trumping trends in other states, though this does also have the effect of making me a vociferous foe of gerrymandering as well.

Then you get what you get. Sorry Dark…you are a part of the problem. Keep feeding the beast.

52 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 2:58:10pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

I don’t have a fix, not really. I think things should stay paralyzed until one side is voted out or capitulates, or if that cannot happen then we should just admit that the American republic cannot survive the confluence of modern Republican ideology and mass communications no restrictions on their money . If that last is the truth, then I’d prefer just to admit it and restructure the the government accordingly.

You have to frame the problem correctly in order to devise a solution.

53 lawhawk  Jun 25, 2014 2:58:35pm

re: #42 EPR-radar

That was a silly assumption. Boehner hasn’t done anything honestly on the merits in decades.

Look, there is a Congressional perogative to limit and constrain the President; it goes back to the whole notion of separation of powers and each branch overreaching (or seeming to overreach) into the others purview. Complaints of this kind are made all the time, and they can have merit.

After further review, these don’t.

54 Lidane  Jun 25, 2014 2:58:45pm

re: #17 lawhawk

EOs have been a fixture of Executive power for the 20th Century; if anything the number of EOs has declined significantly since FDR. Obama has issued them at a lower pace than any President since Cleveland.

Also, the overall number of EOs have declined significantly since Truman:

en.wikipedia.org

If you compare the total number of EOs issued by every POTUS from Teddy Roosevelt to Harry Truman (10,730) to the total number of EOs issued since then (3,240), it’s not even a contest. The idea that it’s somehow “out of control” now is patently false. If anything, Presidents use their power of Executive Order far more sparingly, and have done so since the end of WW2.

55 Shazam  Jun 25, 2014 2:59:45pm

Hehe, Neil Cavuto said “ass.”

56 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 3:00:37pm

re: #54 Lidane

Also, the overall number of EOs have declined significantly since Truman:

en.wikipedia.org

If you compare the total number of EOs issued by every POTUS from Teddy Roosevelt to Harry Truman (10,730) to the total number of EOs issued since then (3,240), it’s not even a contest. The idea that it’s somehow “out of control” now is patently false. If anything, Presidents use their power of Executive Order far more sparingly, and have done so since the end of WW2.

I actually had no idea about this. Major props on the research.

57 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 3:01:18pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Yes the previous Republican was sent to prison, as was the previous Democrat.

58 Lidane  Jun 25, 2014 3:01:33pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

Now let’s consider how Republicans today would respond today to Democrats proposing that the line item veto be made constitutional.

I seem to remember a lot of ARGLE BARGLE back when Clinton was using a line item veto. Didn’t SCOTUS declare it unconstitutional? And now the GOP want it back? Really?

59 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 3:01:34pm

re: #53 lawhawk

Look, there is a Congressional perogative to limit and constrain the President; it goes back to the whole notion of separation of powers and each branch overreaching (or seeming to overreach) into the others purview. Complaints of this kind are made all the time, and they can have merit.

After further review, these don’t.

I agree entirely that there are real separation of powers issues between the Congress and the President in general.

I merely make the simplifying a priori assumption that all actions by this House GOP are without merit.

You took the more diligent approach of checking out the merits first, but surely the lack of merit cannot have come as a surprise.

60 nines09  Jun 25, 2014 3:01:34pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

I honestly have little sympathy for the saner cons since they’re the ones who have enabled the lunatic fringe for decades.

My feelings exactly. Moderate? Where? Who? When? BS.

61 lawhawk  Jun 25, 2014 3:02:10pm

re: #54 Lidane

62 alpuz  Jun 25, 2014 3:02:28pm

Wasn’t it Cavuto who spearheaded the whole Tea Party uprising? Or was that another Fox news celebrity?

63 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 25, 2014 3:02:29pm

re: #45 EPR-radar

Ah, the illustrious Mark Kirk, who apparently can’t give a straight answer on marriage equality because he has to appease bigots in the GOP base?

Oh, and he’s a charter school advocate. Bleh.

64 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 3:03:26pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

Yes the previous Republican was sent to prison, as was the previous Democrat.

Well that’s my point. You’re saying that the Democrats are the problem in your state and yet here the last GOP governor to sit in the governor’s mansion is a convicted felon. I’m not going to patronize you and say that you overstate the corruption that exists within Illinois Democratic politics but I think you do turn a blind eye to corruption that exists within the Republican one.

65 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 3:03:43pm

re: #45 EPR-radar

Ah, the illustrious Mark Kirk, who apparently can’t give a straight answer on marriage equality because he has to appease bigots in the GOP base?

Nope, he actually gave a good bit of support to the gay marriage bill that finally passed here. So his stance is clear enough that he couldn’t walk it back to please bigots. And it was his decision to support gay marriage that helped swing my views on the issue.

66 Lidane  Jun 25, 2014 3:04:09pm

re: #45 EPR-radar

Ah, the illustrious Mark Kirk, who apparently can’t give a straight answer on marriage equality because he has to appease bigots in the GOP base?

67 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 3:05:10pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

Nope, he actually gave a good bit of support to the gay marriage bill that finally passed here. So his stance is clear enough that he couldn’t walk it back to please bigots. And it was his decision to support gay marriage that helped swing my views on the issue.

What would happen to your registration if Mark Kirk switched parties?

68 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 3:05:11pm

re: #66 Lidane

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The sad fact is and I wish DF would realize this is that more people like Sandy Rios think like this when it comes to gay rights within his party than he and Kirk do. Good on Kirk for not being a coward and dodging the issue but the party still sucks the big one on the issue.

69 ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2014 3:05:27pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

Yes the previous Republican was sent to prison, as was the previous Democrat.

For you Dark…

Youtube Video

Fairies wear (magic) boots…Black Sabbath…to better help them balance!

: )

70 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 3:05:35pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

Nope, he actually gave a good bit of support to the gay marriage bill that finally passed here. So his stance is clear enough that he couldn’t walk it back to please bigots. And it was his decision to support gay marriage that helped swing my views on the issue.

Whoops. My bad. Thanks for the correction.

71 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2014 3:06:35pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Well that’s my point. You’re saying that the Democrats are the problem in your state and yet here the last GOP governor to sit in the governor’s mansion is a convicted felon. I’m not going to patronize you and say that you overstate the corruption that exists within Illinois Democratic politics but I think you do turn a blind eye to corruption that exists within the Republican one.

I still remember when McDonnell was spoken of as a GOP frontrunner, for VP if not the Oval Office. Funny, I can’t remember why they suddenly changed their minds…

72 dog philosopher  Jun 25, 2014 3:06:56pm

re: #62 alpuz

Wasn’t it Cavuto who spearheaded the whole Tea Party uprising? Or was that another Fox news celebrity?

fox has declared for the wall st branch of the gop:

A bad night for Democrats

oh? and why is that?

From Natchez to Norwood to Naples - Not only will Democrats be denied the opportunity to rummage through Mississippi state Sen. Chris McDaniel’s past and present statements in a bid to make him the Rep. Todd Akin of 2014, but Colorado Republicans lined up behind a very electable ticket. Colorado Democrats had hoped to ruin the chances of Rep. Cory Gardner, the GOP Senate challenger who is threatening incumbent Sen. Mark Udall, by associating Gardner with former Rep. Tom Tancredo. Democrats spent money to bolster the gubernatorial bid of Tancredo, an immigration hardliner, whose policies and rhetoric would have posed constant challenges to Gardner as Democrats tarred them with the same brush. Instead, Colorado Republicans picked the more temperate former Rep. Bob Beauprez to take on Gov. John Hickenlooper. A flawed gubernatorial candidate hurt GOP Senate chances in Colorado in 2010, but this time the red team will have a clear lane to challenge a very vulnerable incumbent. Down in Florida, a Republican deemed “too radical” handily won a special House election to replace a scandal-soaked member booted after a drug bust. Democrats hardly tried to stop the rise of Rep.-elect Curt Clawson. Meanwhile, other potentially damaging primary contests in other states all flopped the right way for the GOP to have the advantage in November.

those “potentially damaging” teabaggers have been routed, so it’s all clear for “more temperate” republicans

73 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 25, 2014 3:07:10pm

ヽ(`皿′)ノ

Michele

74 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 3:07:32pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

I still remember when McDonnell was spoken of as a GOP frontrunner, for VP if not the Oval Office. Funny, I can’t remember why they suddenly changed their minds…

Speaking of that crook, I’ve been hearing there’s even more rumblings underneath. Have to say while I always thought McDonnell was sleazy(read his connections to Robertson and Regent), I never figured him to be a crook.

75 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 3:07:53pm

re: #73 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

ヽ(`皿′)ノ

Michelle

Oh, that’s lovely!

76 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 25, 2014 3:08:01pm

re: #73 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

ヽ(`皿′)ノ

Michelle

I don’t know how you did that, but I like it.

77 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 25, 2014 3:08:30pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

fxd

78 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 3:09:25pm

re: #72 dog philosopher

Looks like my guess that orders have been issued to the Ailes/Murdoch machine may be correct.

79 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 3:09:58pm

re: #77 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

fxd

OK, mine too.

80 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 3:11:04pm

2016 will be fun. Alot of the TP nuts elected in the Senate will have to actually run the same year as a presidential year and deal with what they fear most: People actually voting.

81 Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2014 3:11:24pm
82 Justanotherhuman  Jun 25, 2014 3:11:42pm

Foreclosures have fallen off.

Bank of America issues layoffs of 540 employees in Charlotte, NC - @WCNC
Read more on wcnc.com

83 alpuz  Jun 25, 2014 3:11:45pm

re: #72 dog philosopher

heh. Yeah I was mistaken, it was Rick Santelli. They all look/sound the same to me. ///

84 Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2014 3:12:03pm
85 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 3:12:56pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

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Not just you. Way too gaudy for me.

86 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 3:14:48pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

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She was trying to take control of viewers’ mi…. ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOBACHMANN!

87 jaunte  Jun 25, 2014 3:14:55pm

It’s bigger than Dick Tracy’s.

88 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 25, 2014 3:15:06pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Why would one need this … thing?

89 Justanotherhuman  Jun 25, 2014 3:15:16pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

Not just you. Way too gaudy for me.

Wider than my wrist. And butt ugly.

90 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 3:15:17pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Just put an iPhone on an arm strap and be done with it. That thing is way too large for a watch.

91 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 3:17:05pm

re: #76 Sionainn

I don’t know how you did that, but I like it.

You may have missed this thread. It may load slowly. The action starts at comment #13.

92 Gus  Jun 25, 2014 3:19:35pm

(_)

93 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 3:20:10pm

re: #88 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Why would one need this … thing?

Picture it showing one rotating Bachmann eyeball, larger than life.

OK, I don’t know why either.

94 jaunte  Jun 25, 2014 3:20:16pm
95 dog philosopher  Jun 25, 2014 3:23:41pm

re: #87 jaunte

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It’s bigger than Dick Tracy’s.

but can i get 1934 on it?

96 Gus  Jun 25, 2014 3:24:29pm

re: #94 jaunte

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Looks like something teenagers might like. Not very adult looking.

97 Justanotherhuman  Jun 25, 2014 3:24:57pm

re: #94 jaunte

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No, it looks cheap. Like something you’d find at a flea market.

98 Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2014 3:25:21pm

re: #87 jaunte

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It’s bigger than Dick Tracy’s.

How come people just don’t go with these? They’ve been around for several years here in the Czech Republic.

99 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 25, 2014 3:25:43pm

re: #97 Justanotherhuman

Looks like a dish strapped to arm.

100 Kid A  Jun 25, 2014 3:25:45pm

Lincecum just threw a no-hitter.

101 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 25, 2014 3:26:38pm

re: #98 Dr Lizardo

How come people just don’t go with these? They’ve been around for several years here in the Czech Republic.

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Satanic watch is popular in the CR?

102 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 3:26:49pm

re: #100 Kid A

Lincecum just threw a no-hitter.

First guy since 1910 to get two against the same team. Pretty weird that he’s gotten these on the downside of his career.

103 KiTA  Jun 25, 2014 3:27:41pm

So, having a bit of fun on Slashdot, and they’re having fun troll rating me down:

slashdot.org
slashdot.org

I’ve noticed the past ~5 years or so a significant upswing in the “Libtard” sects in various tech communities. They’re not really libertarians, they’ve just discovered that the term allows them to coat a general hatred of authority and assholish nature with a thin layer of respect.

104 dog philosopher  Jun 25, 2014 3:27:50pm

I supported the war, and I still think the arguments in favor at the
time were superior to the arguments against. Alas, the facts on the
ground didn’t care about the arguments.

someday jonah golberg will be revealed as steven colbert

105 Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2014 3:28:09pm

re: #101 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Satanic watch is popular in CR?

lol

I’ve seen quite a few people wearing/using these here. They run about $150 or so. Quadband, some are even dualSIM, and take an 8Gb memory card. Bluetooth, the whole enchilada.

You can find them just about anywhere here at mobile phone shops.

106 Recreational Birth Control User  Jun 25, 2014 3:29:27pm

Let me interpret for those who do not understand wingnuts such as The Bachmann:

“Garble Garble Jesus, Garble Garble cut funding cuz Jesus, Garble Garble lets sue cuz Jezus, Garble Garble cus Jesus is the real President, Garble Garble”

107 Kid A  Jun 25, 2014 3:29:47pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

Just can’t figure him out, I think those funky mechanics ended up costing him though he still has those flashes and his k rate is still up there.

108 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 25, 2014 3:29:53pm

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

109 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 25, 2014 3:30:16pm

re: #104 dog philosopher

“I still think the arguments in favor at the
time were superior to the arguments against”

That tells us everything we need to know about Jonah Goldberg.

110 Gus  Jun 25, 2014 3:30:30pm

re: #99 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Looks like a dish strapped to arm.

111 Justanotherhuman  Jun 25, 2014 3:31:23pm

Colorado’s Boulder County Clerk to begin issuing same sex marriage licenses after court rules ban unconstitutional - @9NEWS
Read more on 9news.com

112 Kid A  Jun 25, 2014 3:31:44pm

re: #109 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I present thee Doughy Pantload.

113 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 3:31:56pm

re: #107 Kid A

Just can’t figure him out, I think those funky mechanics ended up costing him though he still has those flashes and his k rate is still up there.

Yeah don’t get me wrong. The guy the O’s chose right ahead of him never made the bigs even and had a great attitude problem. Sucks that he couldn’t sustain it. He’s fun to watch.

114 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 3:32:12pm

re: #95 dog philosopher

but can i get 1934 on it?

If you get the Limited Edition Tea Party version it comes pre-loaded with a large selection of Father Coughlin’s radio sermons.

115 Justanotherhuman  Jun 25, 2014 3:32:30pm

re: #103 KiTA

So, having a bit of fun on Slashdot, and they’re having fun troll rating me down:

slashdot.org
slashdot.org

I’ve noticed the past ~5 years or so a significant upswing in the “Libtard” sects in various tech communities. They’re not really libertarians, they’ve just discovered that the term allows them to coat a general hatred of authority and assholish nature with a thin layer of respect.

Libertarians get respect? Who knew?

116 Recreational Birth Control User  Jun 25, 2014 3:33:14pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

You have changed your avatar. Almost didn’t recognize you!
How are you doing today?

117 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 3:34:33pm

Speaking of baseball. To me it’s a debate about what’s more impressive- Joe DiMaggio’s 56 game hitting streak which he followed with 18 in a row. But Johnny Vander Meer having two consecutive no hitters was also impressive. Both would be real hard to do in this day of intense scrutiny.

118 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 3:34:37pm

Fucking baby. He should cry for the rest of the month, they need the water in AZ. He should have to make lunch for every kid in Tucson next school year.

Arizona’s public school’s chief John Huppenthal broke down in tears Wednesday in a stunning close to his own press conference. Huppenthal called the news conference to address the uproar over his anonymous blog posts.

In the posts, he attacked families on welfare, Planned Parenthood and the Spanish-language media.

Huppenthal told azcentral.com earlier today that he was sorry his posts hurt and offended Arizonans.

[…]

He looks like Glenn Beck.

119 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 3:35:32pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

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Fucking baby. He should cry for the rest of the month, they need the water in AZ. He should have to make lunch for every kid in Tucson next school year.

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He looks like Glenn Beck.

He’s real sorry all right.

120 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 25, 2014 3:35:36pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

He probably fancies himself a very masculine guy.

121 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 3:35:58pm

re: #120 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

He probably fancies himself a very masculine guy.

A real man not like those liberal weak men.//

122 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 3:36:40pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

He’s real sorry all right.

Sorry he was caught. That’s the only concept of sorry most of these types can comprehend.

123 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 3:38:01pm

re: #122 EPR-radar

Sorry he was caught. That’s the only concept of sorry most of these types can comprehend.

I meant as in sorry looking. He just looks pathetic. But I do agree. He’s sorry that he was exposed as a bigoted bully.

124 Bubblehead II  Jun 25, 2014 3:38:21pm

re: #103 KiTA

So, how did things go today?

125 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 25, 2014 3:38:22pm

126 Recreational Birth Control User  Jun 25, 2014 3:39:36pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

Lets see, my mother was on welfare for a while when I was young, I used planned parenthood for my problems with hemorrhaging when I was in my early 20’s and had no Insurance, and my husband and I are in the process of learning Spanish. I AM THE TRIFECTA, YES!

127 Justanotherhuman  Jun 25, 2014 3:40:32pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

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Fucking baby. He should cry for the rest of the month, they need the water in AZ. He should have to make lunch for every kid in Tucson next school year.

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He looks like Glenn Beck.

I swear I think half his type are mentally incompetent. He should resign at once. What a terrible person to hold such a position of responsibility.

128 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 3:40:48pm

Speaking of Jonah Goldberg, I’d like to put this question to the group: Is the following article an honest examination, or a subtle foray into the territory of Liberal Fascism:

When Fasces Aren’t Fascist

The strange history of America’s federal buildings
By Eugene Kontorovich

A selected excerpt:

So when fasces started popping up on major federal buildings in Washington, D.C., in the 1920s and 1930s, no politically aware citizen could have been ignorant of the connotation. American architects knew of Mussolini’s grandiose building projects, and some publicly lauded them. Cass Gilbert, who designed the Supreme Court building, met Mussolini on a 1927 visit to Italy to procure marble for the project. No doubt Gilbert saw the countless fasces in Italian architecture. He was also favorably impressed by Il Duce himself. The man chiefly responsible for the Department of Justice’s sculptural features, C. Paul Jennewein, studied for three years at the American Academy in Rome. While there, he apparently developed a fondness for fasces: he also put them on the Arlington Memorial Bridge, completed in 1932. The Philadelphia firm overseeing the construction of the Department of Justice building (finished in 1935) brought over a young artist from Italy, Roger Morigi, to do some of the sculptural work. The choice of Morigi was itself unexceptional. Italian craftsmen were much in vogue for federal building projects—they had more experience and better training than American architects, as well as a certain cultural cachet. But given the prominence of the fasces in Mussolini’s propaganda, Morigi must have been aware that he wasn’t simply using ancient iconography.

The architects working on the federal buildings of the 1930s were also extremely conscious of the political symbolism they employed. They often looked to the socialist realism of Europe for inspiration. The Federal Trade Commission building, for instance, completed in 1938, is adorned with socialist-realist reliefs of brawny workers engaged in various industries.

Today, it might seem improbable that American government projects would decorate themselves with symbols of European fascism, whatever the enthusiasms of architects. But at the time, Mussolini was widely admired by Americans for getting Italy back on its feet. “I’m pretty high on that bird,” humorist Will Rogers said of Il Duce after visiting Italy and interviewing Mussolini. “Dictator form of government is the greatest form of government—that is, if you have the right dictator.” The rise of fascism appeared to pose no direct threat to U.S. interests, and many saw it as a counterweight to scarier European movements. It was Bolshevism without the collectivization; Nazism without the racism.

I ask this because Goldberg devoted the first chapter of Liberal Fascism to an examination of what he felt was the relationship between American liberals and Mussolini. So I put the question to the group and ask for replies.

129 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 3:41:18pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

I meant as in sorry looking. He just looks pathetic. But I do agree. He’s sorry that he was exposed as a bigoted bully.

Oh, but those things he said as a sock are not what he really thinks.

“I made comments that were hurtful to people and they were not what is in my heart, soul and mind,” he said. “I completely repudiate those comments.”

If they didn’t come from his heart, soul or mind, it must have been the devil.

130 jaunte  Jun 25, 2014 3:41:46pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

“Obama is rewarding the lazy pigs with food stamps (44 million people), air-conditioning, free health care, flat-screen TV’s (typical of “poor” families).” (Editor’s note: Parentheses included in posting.)

Huppenthal said his posts are meant to correct “a lot of really bad ideas” on political blogs, not to insult. He said his reference to “lazy pigs” refers to a phrase in a nursery fable.

In “the Little Red Hen … in which a fat lazy pig refuses to help the little red hen sow her seeds,” he said.

“Hey, but I’m sorry you lazy pigs were offended.”

131 dog philosopher  Jun 25, 2014 3:42:33pm

Neanderthal feces found in Spain

i think it has a poetic ring to it

132 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 3:43:35pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

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Fucking baby. He should cry for the rest of the month, they need the water in AZ. He should have to make lunch for every kid in Tucson next school year.

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He looks like Glenn Beck.

He can Take a Bow:

Youtube Video

133 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 3:44:25pm

re: #116 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!

You have changed your avatar. Almost didn’t recognize you!
How are you doing today?

I am unwell, fever and chills having caused me to miss work.

134 Justanotherhuman  Jun 25, 2014 3:44:51pm

re: #131 dog philosopher

Neanderthal feces found in Spain

i think it has a poetic ring to it

Fasces and feces sound so similar. : )

135 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 3:45:02pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Speaking of Jonah Goldberg, I’d like to put this question to the group: Is the following article an honest examination, or a subtle foray into the territory of Liberal Fascism:

When Fasces Aren’t Fascist

The strange history of America’s federal buildings
By Eugene Kontorovich

A selected excerpt:

I ask this because Goldberg devoted the first chapter of Liberal Fascism to an examination of what he felt was the relationship between American liberals and Mussolini. So I put the question to the group and ask for replies.

Jonah is ignoring that many on the American right looked fondly at Mussolini too. What Jonah and many conservatives I think fail to grasp about fascism is that it does differ from traditional European conservatism but it still a right wing ideology. Furthermore, Mussolini alienated what support he may have had on the American left by invading Ethiopia and supporting Franco in the Spanish Civil War. And frankly if fascism was such a leftist regime, then Jonah should try to explain to us why so many of his fellow conservatives at the time were sympathetic to it.

136 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 3:45:35pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

I’m not going to call this one way or the other. However, the fasces was on the back of the US dime from 1916 to 1945 (the Mercury dime), so there’s one prominent example in the US that predates Italian Fascism.

137 Justanotherhuman  Jun 25, 2014 3:47:03pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

I am unwell, fever and chills having caused me to miss work.

Sounds as though you may have an infection somewhere. Get thee to a dr for some blood work and perhaps antibiotics.

138 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 25, 2014 3:47:13pm

I have learned my lesson. I replied to what I thought were some really stupid, lame memes.

Blocking all the “Fairtax”ers. They’re just as nuts as the anti-vaxxers.

139 dog philosopher  Jun 25, 2014 3:49:01pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Speaking of Jonah Goldberg, I’d like to put this question to the group: Is the following article an honest examination, or a subtle foray into the territory of Liberal Fascism:

When Fasces Aren’t Fascist

The strange history of America’s federal buildings
By Eugene Kontorovich

A selected excerpt:

I ask this because Goldberg devoted the first chapter of Liberal Fascism to an examination of what he felt was the relationship between American liberals and Mussolini. So I put the question to the group and ask for replies.

Fasces in the United States
National Guard Bureau insignia

Several offices and institutions in the United States have incorporated representations of the fasces into their iconography.

In the Oval Office, above the door leading to the exterior walkway, and above the corresponding door on the opposite wall, which leads to the President’s private office. Note: the fasces depicted have no axes, possibly because in the Roman Republic, the blade was always removed from the bundle whenever the fasces were carried inside the city, in order to symbolize the rights of citizens against arbitrary state power (see above).

Two fasces appear on either side of the flag of the United States behind the podium in the United States House of Representatives.

The official seal of the United States Senate has as one component a pair of crossed fasces.

Fasces ring the base of the Statue of Freedom atop the United States Capitol building.

A frieze on the facade of the United States Supreme Court building depicts the figure of a Roman centurion holding a fasces, to represent “order”.[5]

The grand seal of Harvard University inside Memorial Church is flanked by two inward-pointing fasces. The seal is located directly below the 112 m (368 ft) steeple and the Great Seal of the United States inside the Memorial Room. The walls of the room list the names of Harvard students, faculty, and alumni that gave their lives in service of the United States during World War I along with an empty tomb depicting Alma Mater holding a slain Harvard student.

The National Guard uses the fasces on the seal of the National Guard Bureau, and it appears in the insignia of Regular Army officers assigned to National Guard liaison and in the insignia and unit symbols of National Guard units themselves. For instance, the regimental crest of the 71st Infantry Regiment (New York) of the New York National Guard consisted of a gold fasces set on a blue background.

The Mace of the United States House of Representatives, designed to resemble fasces, consists of thirteen ebony rods bound together in the same fashion as the fasces, topped by a silver eagle on a globe.

The main entrance hallways in the Wisconsin State Capitol have lamps which are decorated with stone fasces motifs.

At the Lincoln Memorial, Lincoln’s seat of state bears the fasces—without axes—on the fronts of its arms. Fasces also appear on the pylons flanking the main staircase leading into the memorial.

The official seal of the United States Tax Court bears the fasces at its center.

Four fasces flank the two bronze plaques on either side of the bust of Lincoln memorializing his Gettysburg Address at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.

The fasces appears on the state seal of Colorado, USA, beneath the “All-seeing eye” (or Eye of Providence) and above the mountains and mines.

The hallmark of the Kerr & Co silver company was a fasces.

On the seal of the New York City borough of Brooklyn, a figure carries a fasces; the seal appears on the borough flag. Fasces can also be seen in the stone columns at Grand Army Plaza.

Used as part of the Knights of Columbus emblem (designed in 1883).

Many local police departments use the fasces as part of their badges and other symbols. For instance, the top border of the Los Angeles Police Department badge features a fasces. (1940)

Commercially, a small fasces appeared at the top of one of the insignia of the Hupmobile car.

A fasces appears on the statue of George Washington, made by Jean-Antoine Houdon which is now in the Virginia State Capital.

Columns in the form of fasces line the entrance to Buffalo City Hall.

VAW-116 have a fasces on their unit insignia.

San Francisco’s Coit Tower has two fasces-like insignia (without the axe) carved above its entrance, flanking a Phoenix.

The seal of the United States Courts Administrative Office includes a fasces behind crossed quill and scroll.

In the Washington Monument, there is a statue of George Washington leaning on a fasces.

A fasces is a common element in US Army Military Police heraldry, most visibly on the shoulder sleeve insignia of the 18th Military Police Brigade and the 42nd Military Police Brigade.

Two monuments erected in Chicago at the time of the Century of Progress Exposition are adorned with fasces. The monument to Christopher Columbus (1933) in Grant Park has them on the ends of its exedra. The Balbo Monument in Burnham Park, (1934) a gift from Benito Mussolini, has the vandalized remains of fasces on all four corners of its plinth.

i trust i don’t have to explain the origin and use of the fasces in the roman republic and the symbolism of a bundle of sticks tied together

140 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 3:49:23pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Jonah is ignoring that many on the American right looked fondly at Mussolini too. What Jonah and many conservatives I think fail to grasp about fascism is that it does differ from traditional European conservatism but it still a right wing ideology. Furthermore, Mussolini alienated what support he may have had on the American left by invading Ethiopia and supporting Franco in the Spanish Civil War. And frankly if fascism was such a leftist regime, then Jonah should try to explain to us why so many of his fellow conservatives at the time were sympathetic to it.

I agree and to be fair the article does make clear that America stopped loving Il Duce after he invaded Ethiopia. It also has an interesting mention of the monument to Italo Balbo in Chicago, based around a column from a Greek-style temple in Italy donated by Balbo to commemorate him and his seaplanes flight from Italy for the 1934 World’s Fair.

141 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 3:50:12pm

re: #130 jaunte

“Hey, but I’m sorry you lazy pigs were offended.”

He killed Mexican American Studies in Tucson, saying it teaches resentment. He seems to know a lot about resentment. He said MAS was divisive. He seems to know a lot about divisiveness.

Here he is in happier times.

John Huppenthal wants to end Ethnic Studies at universities also. He has vowed to “Stop La Raza.”
Photo from Tucson Citizen

142 Recreational Birth Control User  Jun 25, 2014 3:50:22pm

re: #130 jaunte

“Obama is rewarding the lazy pigs with food stamps”

This humpty Dumpty (A term from a nursery rhyme not an insult, okay!!!!11!!)
seems to think that Obama is the only President is history that was President while people got food stamps. Guess what, Reagan was President while food stamping too-OH SH$#T!

143 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 25, 2014 3:51:22pm

re: #27 EPR-radar

yes, Congressional Republicans have turned impeachment into a tool and weapon to be used against the American voters.

144 Recreational Birth Control User  Jun 25, 2014 3:51:39pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

Oh no, I hope you feel better soon!

145 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 3:51:46pm

re: #138 Pie-onist Overlord

No, you don’t. Their meaning of the fasces was that while one rod can be easily broken, a bundle cannot. The ax was added to symbolize the Roman military and the entire symbol was meant to reflect the strength and unity of Italy under the Roman Republic.

146 darthstar  Jun 25, 2014 3:51:56pm
147 Justanotherhuman  Jun 25, 2014 3:52:21pm

re: #139 dog philosopher

No, nor the origin of faggots, either. It wasn’t always a pejorative.

148 Ed E. Lishus  Jun 25, 2014 3:52:39pm

When the Neanderthal feces of Spain fall down on the plain…

149 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 25, 2014 3:52:58pm

re: #134 Justanotherhuman

Fasces and feces sound so similar. : )

Brownshirts!

150 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 3:53:02pm

re: #146 darthstar

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That image of the wife looks photo-shopped to me.

151 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 25, 2014 3:53:32pm

re: #131 dog philosopher

Neanderthal feces found in Spain

i think it has a poetic ring to it

Dibs on the band name.

152 Recreational Birth Control User  Jun 25, 2014 3:53:37pm

re: #146 darthstar

Well I know who’s not “getting any” tonight!

153 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 3:53:42pm

But really if you think fascism is a liberal or ideology of the left, one only needs to look at who the first groups that fascist regimes go after are once they consolidate power. Socialists, trade labor unions, liberals, etc. The famous poem by Nimhoeller after talks about “they” coming for the trade unionists, communists, and social democrats first. And that’s true. Goldberg just can’t get himself to admit that the left is heavily persecuted by fascist regimes and that sad to say many conservatives in the past were sympathetic to fascism as a bulwark against socialism and communism. HE’s also dead wrong about Italian fascism not being racial. Yes, Italian fascism wasn’t racialist like the Nazis were but Mussolini was plenty bigoted racially in motivation. He also had illusions about a new Roman empire. Again that’s not something a lefty believes in. Not to say that the left i.e. Soviets can’t be imperialistic but it’s not sold the way Mussolini phrased it. And furthermore, we know that Mussolini went from left to right during WWI.

154 Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2014 3:54:44pm

Did you know some people consider “derp” to be an “ableist slur?”

155 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 3:55:48pm

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

He can Take a Bow:

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Video

I have now listened to a Rhianna song.

156 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 3:55:51pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

I agree and to be fair the article does make clear that America stopped loving Il Duce after he invaded Ethiopia. It also has an interesting mention of the monument to Italo Balbo in Chicago, based around a column from a Greek-style temple in Italy donated by Balbo to commemorate him and his seaplanes flight from Italy for the 1934 World’s Fair.

True. I just think Goldberg is engaging in revisionism. I will agree with you and Goldberg too that fascism does differ from traditional conservatism. But he’s dishonest to call it a leftist ideology. He just is. He points to Will Rogers praising Mussolini. There are generous quotes towards Mussolini by no less Churchill.

157 Gus  Jun 25, 2014 3:56:04pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

Did you know some people consider “derp” to be an “ableist slur?”

Derp.

158 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 25, 2014 3:56:56pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

Did you know some people consider “derp” to be an “ableist slur?”

I shudder to think what they say of “cretins”, “idiots” and “imbeciles”.

159 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 3:57:42pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

Did you know some people consider “derp” to be an “ableist slur?”

Oh brother. How do they figure that?

160 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 3:58:25pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

Oh brother. How do they figure that?

They’re Rob Schneider’s number one fans who own Blu-Ray copies of The Hot Chick.

161 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 25, 2014 3:58:27pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

Did you know some people consider “derp” to be an “ableist slur?”

That’s so lame. /

162 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 3:59:12pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

I have now listened to a Rhianna song.

Its a perfect song for dismissing someone who is apologizing profusely, but is really only sorry he got into trouble.

163 HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2014 4:00:15pm

But funny we are talking about fascism. I’m reading Orwell’s Homage to Catalonia finally and it seems the one thing that united many of the volunteers was an antipathy towards fascism and most of the volunteers that volunteered for the Republic were firmly on the left whether they were Trotskyites or anarchists.

164 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 4:00:49pm
165 Gus  Jun 25, 2014 4:01:46pm

TRIGGER WARNING!

DERP

166 Justanotherhuman  Jun 25, 2014 4:01:48pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

Did you know some people consider “derp” to be an “ableist slur?”

Lame, insane, crazy, dumb. I’ve used all of those recently (a couple referring to myself), so I suppose they can heap the politically incorrect “ableist” on me as well.

I refuse to agonize over this kind of bullshit when I’m speaking off the cuff. Because I know what kind of person I really am: empathic, kind, generous. Yet becoming increasingly short tempered with people who consider only speech, not actions, to be primary.

167 Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2014 4:03:51pm

Well, this at least is some good news from my little part of the world:

Hyundai Mobis of the Hyundai group may be a new investor in the Mosnov industrial zone, Ostrava City Assembly members said at today´s meeting.

The South Korean investor plans to build a plant to produce headlamps and may create at least 900 new jobs in the initial stage, according to CTK files. Production might begin by 2016.

Mayor Petr Kajnar welcomed the investor´s promise to create a minimum of 900 jobs. “It is a big investment, around Kc2.5bn,” he said.

The Moravskoslezsky region has a high rate of unemployment. In May it reached 10 percent and the Czech average was 7.5 percent.

ceskenoviny.cz

168 dog philosopher  Jun 25, 2014 4:04:09pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

True. I just think Goldberg is engaging in revisionism. I will agree with you and Goldberg too that fascism does differ from traditional conservatism. But he’s dishonest to call it a leftist ideology. He just is. He points to Will Rogers praising Mussolini. There are generous quotes towards Mussolini by no less Churchill.

i challenge goldberg - or anybody else who calls themself a conservative, for that matter - to define ‘leftist’

any volunteers hint hint?

169 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 25, 2014 4:06:11pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

In practice, a fascist regime can be based on left- or right-wing economic principles, but as an ideology fascism is thoroughly right-wing.

170 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2014 4:07:25pm

Another gay marriage ban goes down, further showing just how foolish the conservative justices on the SCOTUS bench were when they handed down their Prop 8 ruling on the argument that America wasn’t ready for such bans to be struck down.

171 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 25, 2014 4:09:32pm

Fascism is palingenetic ultranationalism. There is nothing left-wing whatsoever about this.

172 dog philosopher  Jun 25, 2014 4:09:33pm

re: #169 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

In practice a fascist regime can be based on left- or right-wing economic views, but as an ideology fascism is thoroughly right-wing.

plenty of right wing fascists, e.g. pinochet

to my mind fascism, as the term is used today, describes any form of government where citizens have no civil rights to speak of. i agree it can be applied regardless of economic organization

this is different from mussolini’s fascism, a corporation friendly, nationalist, pro-war regime that came to power by beating up socialist officeholders and taking over towns that they had won elections in

173 Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2014 4:09:59pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

Another gay marriage ban goes down, further showing just how foolish the conservative justices on the SCOTUS bench were when they handed down their Prop 8 ruling on the argument that America wasn’t ready for such bans to be struck down.

I think this is going to end up in front of the SCOTUS sooner - much sooner - than later, and whether they like it or not. They can’t duck this forever, however much some of the Justices may want to.

174 MomSense  Jun 25, 2014 4:10:12pm

re: #2 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I don’t think this has anything to do with Hillary or Obama. This is about fundraising period.

They will use this bogus lawsuit to gain names (future donors) and donors to raise money for the midterms. Watch, you will see all the fundraising emails asking people to sign on if they support Boehner’s lawsuit to rein in the lawless Obama. The people who sign will then receive endless fundraising requests through the Nov. elections.

That is all this is. So what I suggest is we ask our “journalists” to ask Boehner, Priebus, and the rest of the Republicans if they will pledge not to do any fundraising whatsoever around this lawsuit.

175 Justanotherhuman  Jun 25, 2014 4:10:38pm

“We’ll show the Federal courts…”

More: State Attorney General Office says Colorado’s state constitutional ban on same-sex marriage remains in effect - @9NEWS
Read more on 9news.com

176 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 4:11:11pm

re: #173 Dr Lizardo

I think this is going to end up in front of the SCOTUS sooner - much sooner - than later, and whether they like it or not. They can’t duck this forever, however much some of the Justices may want to.

Justice Kennedy isn’t going to win a profile in courage award on this issue. However, he should be able to do the right thing when the lower courts are so unanimous.

177 Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2014 4:12:05pm

wtf

178 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2014 4:12:47pm

re: #173 Dr Lizardo

I think this is going to end up in front of the SCOTUS sooner - much sooner - than later, and whether they like it or not. They can’t duck this forever, however much some of the Justices may want to.

They will, but I think it’s gonna be at least another year, if not longer. Right now, the rulings are pretty unanimous, there’s no constitutional basis for these bans. So, until we get at least one ruling upholding a ban, or until the rulings weave their ways through the federal courts up to SCOTUS’ level, they’re gonna feel content not to rule on the matter by arguing that the system must be allowed to work.

179 Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2014 4:13:01pm

Where are these freaks coming from?

180 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 4:13:06pm

re: #172 dog philosopher

plenty of right wing fascists, e.g. pinochet

to my mind fascism, as the term is used today, describes any form of government where citizens have no civil rights to speak of. i agree it can be applied regardless of economic organization

this is different from mussolini’s fascism, a corporation friendly, nationalist, pro-war regime that came to power by beating up socialist officeholders and taking over towns that they had won elections in

It may be helpful to refer to government where citizens have no rights to speak of as totalitarian. This separates the level of government coercion from the ideology.

181 Gus  Jun 25, 2014 4:14:31pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

wtf

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I have all of those assholes blocked.

182 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2014 4:14:40pm

re: #175 Justanotherhuman

“We’ll show the Federal courts…”

More: State Attorney General Office says Colorado’s state constitutional ban on same-sex marriage remains in effect - @9NEWS
Read more on 9news.com

Yeah, and Gov. Wallace is gonna show them bastards by standing in front of the school doors!

183 Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2014 4:16:38pm

Even in the old days, I never supported a “war against all Muslims (no exceptions).” NEVER.

And now it’s been YEARS since I renounced that whole group of anti-Muslim weirdos and I’ve written probably thousands of posts criticizing and exposing them.

What the fuck does it take for these people to stop repeating these smears?

184 dog philosopher  Jun 25, 2014 4:17:35pm

re: #180 EPR-radar

It may be helpful to refer to government where citizens have no rights to speak of as totalitarian. This separates the level of government coercion from the ideology.

if we continue down the path you suggest, we might be in danger of arriving at a state where it would be more difficult to misuse words and make misleading statements

185 darthstar  Jun 25, 2014 4:18:03pm
186 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 4:18:37pm

re: #184 dog philosopher

if we continue down the path you suggest, we might be in danger of arriving at a state where it would be more difficult to misuse words and make misleading statements

I know. I’m evil that way.

187 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 4:19:22pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

What the fuck does it take for these people to stop repeating these smears?

Actual irrelevance.

188 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 4:20:55pm

re: #174 MomSense

I don’t think this has anything to do with Hillary or Obama. This is about fundraising period.

They will use this bogus lawsuit to gain names (future donors) and donors to raise money for the midterms. Watch, you will see all the fundraising emails asking people to sign on if they support Boehner’s lawsuit to rein in the lawless Obama. The people who sign will then receive endless fundraising requests through the Nov. elections.

That is all this is. So what I suggest is we ask our “journalists” to ask Boehner, Priebus, and the rest of the Republicans if they will pledge not to do any fundraising whatsoever around this lawsuit.

I think you’re right. But I would like to see them focus everything on Hillary and then have her not run, just for fun.

189 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2014 4:26:25pm

re: #185 darthstar

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190 Dr Lizardo  Jun 25, 2014 4:27:13pm

re: #185 darthstar

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191 darthstar  Jun 25, 2014 4:28:19pm

re: #190 Dr Lizardo

Boehner’s just tossing a little red meat to the wingnut base. It’s an election year, after all.

192 bratwurst  Jun 25, 2014 4:29:18pm
193 CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2014 4:29:24pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

Actual irrelevance.

That’s the thing, isn’t it? It’s bad enough that he’s a turncoat (in their eyes), but he didn’t even have the decency to disappear. He’s like a paper cut—they try to ignore him & forget he exists, then… ouch! He has a database full of millions of comments going back at least a decade and he knows too much about many of them, which makes him insufferable.

194 blueraven  Jun 25, 2014 4:36:25pm

re: #174 MomSense

I don’t think this has anything to do with Hillary or Obama. This is about fundraising period.

They will use this bogus lawsuit to gain names (future donors) and donors to raise money for the midterms. Watch, you will see all the fundraising emails asking people to sign on if they support Boehner’s lawsuit to rein in the lawless Obama. The people who sign will then receive endless fundraising requests through the Nov. elections.

That is all this is. So what I suggest is we ask our “journalists” to ask Boehner, Priebus, and the rest of the Republicans if they will pledge not to do any fundraising whatsoever around this lawsuit.

I think it is an appeal to the base as you suggest, but also a way for Boehner to appease the t-party types in The House in lieu of the impeachment proceedings they seek.

He knows damn well that would be political suicide, but this “lawsuit” might quell their appetite, for a while at least.

195 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 4:37:36pm

re: #193 CuriousLurker

That’s the thing, isn’t it? It’s bad enough that he’s a turncoat (in their eyes), but he didn’t even have the decency to disappear. He’s like a paper cut—they try to ignore him & forget he exists, then… ouch! He has a database full of millions of comments going back at least a decade and he knows too much about many of them, which makes him insufferable.

I wonder whether any of the stalkers realized they were making a long-term commitment when they went off the rails. I found yet another stalker blog recently, run by two (truly irrelevant) ex-lizards who call this place ‘The Blog That Shall Not Be Named’. At some point, that becomes the name and they can no longer pretend they are ignoring LGF.

It can’t be healthy to form your identity on a negative like that.

196 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 4:39:10pm

re: #194 blueraven

I think it is an appeal to the base as you suggest, but also a way for Boehner to appease the t-party types in The House in lieu of the impeachment proceedings they seek.

He knows damn well that would be political suicide, but this “lawsuit” might quell their appetite, for a while at least.

Here’s a job to kill for —- to be a judge responding to the request from Boehner to hear this lawsuit, and having no restraint on the language to be used in officially rejecting the suit.

197 CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2014 4:43:40pm

re: #195 wrenchwench

I wonder whether any of the stalkers realized they were making a long-term commitment when they went off the rails. I found yet another stalker blog recently, run by two (truly irrelevant) ex-lizards who call this place ‘The Blog That Shall Not Be Named’. At some point, that becomes the name and they can no longer pretend they are ignoring LGF.

It can’t be healthy to form your identity on a negative like that.

THIS. He lives inside their heads. I can’t imagine dedicating a bunch of time & attention to someone I dislike. It’s a weird pathology.

198 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 25, 2014 4:46:16pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

Even in the old days, I never supported a “war against all Muslims (no exceptions).” NEVER.

And now it’s been YEARS since I renounced that whole group of anti-Muslim weirdos and I’ve written probably thousands of posts criticizing and exposing them.

What the fuck does it take for these people to stop repeating these smears?

Jesus riding on a shark in the midst of a tornado, screaming at them YOU ALL SUCK!!!!

Nah that probably wouldn’t work either.

199 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2014 4:46:44pm

Think Charlie Pierce nailed this:

Dude, I know this has been asked before but, seriously, are you high?

If you, the Speaker Of The House of Representatives, think the President Of The United States has not been faithfully executing the laws of the United States, which would be as specific a violation of the presidential oath of office as anyone can commit, then you introduce Articles Of Impeachment. That’s the way it works. You are accusing him of a profound offense against the Constitution, perhaps the gravest one you can commit without being, I don’t know, Aaron Burr or someone. You don’t respond to something like that by treating the president as though you’re a meter reader who slipped on his sidewalk. Of course, all of this is completely contingent on your being serious about this lawsuit, and on this lawsuit’s not being simply another petulant exercise in political vandalism.

So, come on, really.

200 b.d.  Jun 25, 2014 4:47:37pm

Guests overstay their welcome sometimes.

Snowden coughed on his true feelings for his present location.
“I didn’t choose to be in Russia,” he said. “If the Russian government had a choice I’m sure they’d prefer me not to be here. Since I came here I’ve been very open in saying I want to restore my right to travel… live a normal life.”
Snowden added that he has been limited in his options however, with 20 countries having refused his application for asylum.

theinquirer.net

201 Romantic Heretic  Jun 25, 2014 4:49:33pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

Seriously. What the hell do these people think is going to happen when you keep on telling a bunch of nuts that they are the true patriots and that everyone who opposes them is unpatriotic and doesn’t love America? No sympathy for them either. They created this machine. Now they have to destroy it.

Before it destroys them.

Oh no! Too late!

202 MomSense  Jun 25, 2014 4:50:02pm

re: #194 blueraven

I think it is an appeal to the base as you suggest, but also a way for Boehner to appease the t-party types in The House in lieu of the impeachment proceedings they seek.

He knows damn well that would be political suicide, but this “lawsuit” might quell their appetite, for a while at least.

And that’s the tell, isn’t it? That the Republicans in Congress don’t actually proceed with impeachment and instead use this bizarre lawsuit process to appeal to the base is exactly why I am confident in saying that the purpose of this is to feed the base and in turn get some money from them. The Benghazi money has dried up and now they need another excuse to ask.

Look, the Dems do this too except the appeals are at least based in reality. The DCCC/DNC/DGA send out appeals based on climate change, paycheck fairness, etc. This is how the game is played.

203 Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2014 4:50:54pm

re: #193 CuriousLurker

That’s the thing, isn’t it? It’s bad enough that he’s a turncoat (in their eyes), but he didn’t even have the decency to disappear. He’s like a paper cut—they try to ignore him & forget he exists, then… ouch! He has a database full of millions of comments going back at least a decade and he knows too much about many of them, which makes him insufferable.

The guy whose tweet I posted above is coming from the other side - he’s some kind of 4chan-style lefty who’s still smearing me with an exaggerated, distorted version of my opinions from 10 years ago.

204 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 25, 2014 4:53:25pm

re: #200 b.d.

Guests overstay their welcome sometimes.

theinquirer.net

Fish and visitors stink after three days.

205 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 25, 2014 4:53:41pm

re: #203 Charles Johnson

The guy whose tweet I posted above is coming from the other side - he’s some kind of 4chan-style lefty who’s still smearing me with an exaggerated, distorted version of my opinions from 10 years ago.

A Monabot.

206 MomSense  Jun 25, 2014 4:54:17pm

re: #203 Charles Johnson

O/T but my son played a great video for me tonight (he’s a blues guitarist and is patiently educating me). It’s Duke Robillard playing live at the Blast Furnace Blues Festival.

Youtube Video

207 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 25, 2014 4:55:35pm

See here’s the thing. There is a difference between the wingnuts who post on TCOT and Glenn Greenwald and his Merry Band.

The TCOT wingnuts are misguided but sincerely believe in all the hateful Derp they are spewing.

Glenn & BFF’s know that what they are saying is hateful bullshit, but they keep saying it anyway, because they are sociopaths.

208 CuriousLurker  Jun 25, 2014 4:56:16pm

re: #203 Charles Johnson

The guy whose tweet I posted above is coming from the other side - he’s some kind of 4chan-style lefty who’s still smearing me with an exaggerated, distorted version of my opinions from 10 years ago.

So… what, do these guys live in a bubble or something?

Even most Muslims online—who you supposedly hated en masse—realize that LGF has changed. How did that news not reach them? Weird.

209 b.d.  Jun 25, 2014 4:56:26pm

COVER UP!! WHAT DID YOU EXPECT FOR THEM TO SAY!?!?!

In response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) query, the NSA today informed journalist Jason Leopold that it could not locate email pursuant to his request for “any and all emails written by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden in which Mr. Snowden contacted agency officials through email to raise concerns about NSA programs.”

techcrunch.com

210 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 25, 2014 4:57:31pm

re: #208 CuriousLurker

So… what, do these guys live in a bubble or something?

Even most online Muslims—who you supposedly hated en masse—realize that LGF has changed. How did that news not reach them? Weird.

Read my #207, directly above

211 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2014 4:57:55pm

re: #209 b.d.

COVER UP!! WHAT DID YOU EXPECT FOR THEM TO SAY!?!?!

techcrunch.com

That’s just what they’d say if they were trying to cover something up!

212 Romantic Heretic  Jun 25, 2014 5:01:01pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

He killed Mexican American Studies in Tucson, saying it teaches resentment. He seems to know a lot about resentment. He said MAS was divisive. He seems to know a lot about divisiveness.

Here he is in happier times.

John Huppenthal wants to end Ethnic Studies at universities also. He has vowed to “Stop La Raza.”
Photo from Tucson Citizen

If I saw someone looking like that in public I’d be calling the police and finding a door between him and me that locks.

213 Jack Burton  Jun 25, 2014 5:04:22pm

re: #203 Charles Johnson

The guy whose tweet I posted above is coming from the other side - he’s some kind of 4chan-style lefty who’s still smearing me with an exaggerated, distorted version of my opinions from 10 years ago.

Is he getting you confused with Charles C. Johnson?

214 Romantic Heretic  Jun 25, 2014 5:07:51pm

re: #196 EPR-radar

Here’s a job to kill for —- to be a judge responding to the request from Boehner to hear this lawsuit, and having no restraint on the language to be used in officially rejecting the suit.

I know what I’d be saying.

“Bailiff? Kick this nut in the butt!”

215 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 5:08:31pm

re: #212 Romantic Heretic

If I saw someone looking like that in public I’d be calling the police and finding a door between him and me that locks.

Here are two more. (Photo credit: By Howard Fischer Capitol Media Services)

You probably meant the photo in which he is screaming, but he’s just as psycho when he’s crying.

216 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 5:10:35pm

Here’s a picture of an honest flyer that the Cochran campaign put up:

And here are NRO commentators going nuts over it. The comment thread contains a comment by yours truly under my real name; You’ll know it as it is not nutty.

217 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 5:10:43pm
[…]

But John Huppenthal said this afternoon he has no intention of resigning the post to which he was first elected in 2010. And Huppenthal said he will not drop his bid for re-election this year.

Huppenthal said the comments were not meant in mean spirit but simply his effort to spur a public policy debate on important issues. He said that is why he wrote, “This is America, speak English.”

“I believe to the soul, to the core of my being, that the ability to speak, read and write English is the key to opportunity for students,” he said at a hastily assembled press conference. And he said that’s why his office has pushed to help ensure that students achieve fluency.

“That does not set aside that my blog comment was hurtful and I renounce that blog comment,” Huppenthal said. “I apologize for that way of expressing what was a deeply held value myself.”

And he said that his comments about immigration were misunderstood.

He said he was trying to express his view that, given that “Caucasians aren’t reproducing themselves,” the state’s economic future is tied to immigration.


The more he talks
, the more he repeats the stuff he’s supposedly apologizing for.

218 Romantic Heretic  Jun 25, 2014 5:11:16pm

re: #215 wrenchwench

I’m concerned about that man’s blood pressure. Even crying a person shouldn’t be that red.

219 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 5:14:22pm

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

Here’s a picture of an honest flyer that the Cochran campaign put up:

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And here are NRO commentators going nuts over it. The comment thread contains a comment by yours truly under my real name; You’ll know it as it is not nutty.

The nutty part is discussing race at NRO.

You’re getting some pushback. Somebody wants to know where you live.

220 darthstar  Jun 25, 2014 5:14:39pm

re: #215 wrenchwench

Here are two more. (Photo credit: By Howard Fischer Capitol Media Services)

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You probably meant the photo in which he is screaming, but he’s just as psycho when he’s crying.

He looks like someone just caught him snorting meth out of an escort’s ass on his way to a family values summit.

221 Gus  Jun 25, 2014 5:17:15pm

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

222 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 5:18:32pm

re: #219 wrenchwench

The nutty part is discussing race at NRO.

You’re getting some pushback. Somebody wants to know where you live.

Nobody said taking a stand was risk-free.

223 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 5:19:52pm

re: #219 wrenchwench

The nutty part is discussing race at NRO.

You’re getting some pushback. Somebody wants to know where you live.

2746 comments on this at the NRO. They really are in a lather about this, aren’t they?

224 dr. luba  Jun 25, 2014 5:20:25pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Honestly, it scares the Hell out of me. But I’ve come to the conclusion that the use of executive orders has gone too far and that it had gone too far before Obama took office. The powers of the president need to be dialed back a bit and some of its cases of rule-making need to be restored to the Congress, even if the Congress does not act on them.

So, at which point did you get scared?

A history of executive orders through the ages

225 Skip Intro  Jun 25, 2014 5:20:36pm

Darrell Issa Demands Emails From Lois Lerner From Before Email Really Existed

huffingtonpost.com

226 bratwurst  Jun 25, 2014 5:23:43pm

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

Here’s a picture of an honest flyer that the Cochran campaign put up:

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And here are NRO commentators going nuts over it. The comment thread contains a comment by yours truly under my real name; You’ll know it as it is not nutty.

At what point do you accept that racism is endemic among readers AND writers of NRO and distance yourself once and for all?

I couldn’t help but notice that, unlike yourself, John Fund neglected to mention that pretty much everything in the flyer was factual. I am sure it was merely an oversight on his part.

227 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2014 5:27:36pm

re: #225 Skip Intro

Darrell Issa Demands Emails From Lois Lerner From Before Email Really Existed

huffingtonpost.com

Petulant child.

228 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 5:28:14pm

re: #226 bratwurst

At what point do you accept that racism is endemic among readers AND writers of NRO and distance yourself once and for all?

I couldn’t help but notice that, unlike yourself, John Fund neglected to mention that pretty much everything in the flyer was factual. I am sure it was merely an oversight on his part.

The essential difference is most likely that John Fund wants to keep his wingnut welfare position at the NRO, and knows that telling certain truths will bring an abrupt end to his personal gravy train.

229 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 5:30:51pm

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

Nobody said taking a stand was risk-free.

Someone else wants you to take your meds.

You are wasting your risk-taking by posting sense about race at NRO. I don’t think sense about race is recognized as human thought over there.

230 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 5:32:27pm

re: #229 wrenchwench

Someone else wants you to take your meds.

You are wasting your risk-taking by posting sense about race at NRO. I don’t think sense about race is recognized as human thought over there.

Maybe so, but given that the flyer was accurate and was proving an unhinged reaction, I felt I had to say something.

231 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Jun 25, 2014 5:33:11pm

All that botox is giving her a sloped forehead. Or maybe its natural? :)

232 GeneJockey  Jun 25, 2014 5:34:40pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Okay, late to the party AGAIN, and I’m the guy who collects watches!

You may think it’s HUGE, and UGLY, but it’s not that much bigger than a lot of what guys are wearing these days…

233 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 5:35:11pm

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

Maybe so, but given that the flyer was accurate and was proving an unhinged reaction, I felt I had to say something.

It’s understandable that, once you saw what was posted, you felt the need to say something. But what happened prior to that, making you want to go over there in the first place?

234 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2014 5:35:28pm

If I wanted a computer on my arm, I’d just get one of these…

235 austin_blue  Jun 25, 2014 5:35:37pm

This is obviously intended to be the opening move in the Republican Party’s last-ditch attempt to mount an impeachment campaign against President Obama, and it’s a measure of how loony the GOP has become that even Fox News wingnut Neil Cavuto thinks this is monumentally stupid.

Here’s video from ThinkProgress of Cavuto’s blowup at Michele “Crazy Eyes” Bachmann, and lo, it is good.

He’s just pissed that he has never gotten any corndog action from that nutcase.

Evening, all.

236 GeneJockey  Jun 25, 2014 5:35:39pm

BTW, yes, it IS huge and ugly. I cannot understand the giant watch craze. All I can do is stand back and say, “WTF?”

237 EPR-radar  Jun 25, 2014 5:35:43pm

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

Maybe so, but given that the flyer was accurate and was proving an unhinged reaction, I felt I had to say something.

If I were a Republican, I would be most alarmed at the 100:1 (or worse) ratio of insanity to sanity on that NRO comment thread.

238 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 5:35:50pm

re: #232 GeneJockey

Okay, late to the party AGAIN, and I’m the guy who collects watches!

You may think it’s HUGE, and UGLY, but it’s not that much bigger than a lot of what guys are wearing these days…

[Embedded image]

Needs Cheerios.

239 GeneJockey  Jun 25, 2014 5:37:14pm

re: #238 wrenchwench

Needs Cheerios.

It’s even got a nice, deep bowl for them. Milk might not do the movement any good, however.

When i see those, it makes me think “little kid straps on Daddy’s watch”.

240 austin_blue  Jun 25, 2014 5:39:41pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

If I wanted a computer on my arm, I’d just get one of these…

[Embedded image]

Am I correct in assuming that when you press any of the buttons, lights flash and it goes “Pwee! Pwee! Pwee!”?

241 Justanotherhuman  Jun 25, 2014 5:40:29pm

Talk about large watches: what’s the point of these?

242 Targetpractice  Jun 25, 2014 5:40:58pm

re: #241 Justanotherhuman

Talk about large watches: what’s the point of these?

[Embedded image]

Bragging rights.

243 Minor_L  Jun 25, 2014 5:41:08pm

re: #203 Charles Johnson

He probably got it from that idiot Mona, who calls this a “hate site” (and then favorably links to an actual hate site).

244 austin_blue  Jun 25, 2014 5:41:38pm

re: #241 Justanotherhuman

Talk about large watches: what’s the point of these?

[Embedded image]

Albinos use them for contrast, apparently.

245 wrenchwench  Jun 25, 2014 5:43:34pm

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

Nobody said taking a stand was risk-free.

general1redcent [replying to] Kurt Akemann • 6 minutes ago

You couldn’t be more wrong, if your tried to be and had gotten others to help you.

Heh.

And that’s the last time I’m going over there. I only clicked to see your comment, Dark.

246 Minor_L  Jun 25, 2014 5:44:32pm

re: #236 GeneJockey

They clearly don’t see females as a target demographic. I am petite, and that thing would take up both my wrists.

247 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 25, 2014 5:45:51pm

re: #243 Minor_L

He probably got it from that idiot Mona, who calls this a “hate site” (and then favorably links to an actual hate site).

Mona is an actual psychopath.

248 Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2014 5:46:25pm

re: #244 austin_blue

haha

249 Minor_L  Jun 25, 2014 5:51:54pm

Did this get covered already?

Darrell Issa Demands Emails From Lois Lerner From Before Email Really Existed
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He is so dumb.

250 Minor_L  Jun 25, 2014 5:52:17pm

re: #247 Pie-onist Overlord

I agree. I used to kind of feel sorry for her, but now I am just disgusted.

251 goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2014 6:48:40pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

Nope, he actually gave a good bit of support to the gay marriage bill that finally passed here. So his stance is clear enough that he couldn’t walk it back to please bigots. And it was his decision to support gay marriage that helped swing my views on the issue.

You didn’t really swing your view on the issue though. You simply capitulated and said the issue is a non-winner for Republicans at this point, so they shouldn’t fight it. You don’t care at all about the rights and freedoms at play, you’ve even gone so far in the opposite direction as to describe yourself literally as “anti-egalitarian.”

According to you this is why your father doesn’t respect your new stance, because there’s zero in the way of principle behind it, it’s pure triangulation.

The reason you will never leave the Republican Party is because you treat it like a side you were assigned in some sisyphean board game.

252 Ryan King  Jun 25, 2014 9:38:30pm

Bachmann = Wingnut Kei$ha

253 KiTA  Jun 25, 2014 11:37:16pm

re: #124 Bubblehead II

So, how did things go today?

All told it went well. Swings got the moves done but didn’t start any conversions. Conversions went really smoothly except Lisa accidentally had us set some of them to 900 max bet, so we had to redo two of them since she decided $45 spins was too much.

The most chaos we had was discovering at 9:45 that oh hey, Swings didn’t relabel the cans for the moves, and with Supervisor T off vacation today I wasn’t taking the fall for that one, so I had to drag the wrecking crew around fixing that in a blind panic at the end of the day.

Oh, and I did find that all the new WoF games’ seals are falling off. At least one reel seal per game, but even the ones that aren’t falling off are really loose and will be falling off in a few days. I called IGT and having worked phone customer service for 10 years, I recognized the “I’m panicking but I can’t let the guy on the phone know” voice she was using, which was fun. They’re coming to fix it in a day or two. Got a bit of grief from L about that, since “you shouldn’t have even been in those machines!” Bah.


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