A Look Back at Right Wing Celebrations After the “Pro-Life” Murder of Dr. George Tiller

The horrifying reality of the “pro-life” movement
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This is what domestic terrorism looks like, directed against women at their most vulnerable moments.

Here there be monsters.

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1 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 26, 2014 7:06:40pm
2 Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2014 7:11:39pm

I’ll post the Rachel Maddow video clip about these disgusting “pro-life” people as soon as it’s available.

This really was a major breaking point for me. I could not continue to be associated with people who supported this anti-woman violence.

3 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 26, 2014 7:17:12pm

I´ll not say what I think out of deference to your polices here, Charles. Let it simply be known that I despise these Forced Birth Terrorists.

4 dog philosopher  Jun 26, 2014 7:18:24pm

License To Scream

5 CriticalDragon1177  Jun 26, 2014 7:22:09pm

Charles Johnson,

I’m glad I left the right behind as well. Neither of us is every going back. I just wish I had done so sooner, and you probably feel the same way.

6 Killgore Trout  Jun 26, 2014 7:27:59pm

Obama asks Congress for $500 million to train Syria rebels

President Obama on Thursday asked Congress for the first time to approve direct U.S. military training for Syrian rebels, but he remains deeply ambivalent about intervening in a deadly conflict that has spilled over into neighboring Iraq, U.S. officials said.

That’s some awfully expensive ambivalence.

7 Killgore Trout  Jun 26, 2014 7:31:09pm
The CIA has already been providing small-scale training to small numbers of Syrian rebels, but even if the training goes ahead, the Pentagon plan does not envision converting moderate rebel groups into a fighting force that is capable of winning back territory lost to the government of President Bashar Assad and to militant groups such as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS.

Rather, the training would be aimed at improving the U.S.-backed rebels’ ability to hang on to the territory they now hold, in hopes of eventually producing a negotiated settlement to the conflict, officials said.

Really? C’mon, let’s not waste our money.

8 Lidane  Jun 26, 2014 7:31:31pm

re: #3 William Barnett-Lewis

I´ll not say what I think out of deference to your polices here, Charles. Let it simply be known that I despise these Forced Birth Terrorists.

Yeah, same here. I’d get banned if I said what I really think about these people. I’ll just settle for this instead:

9 Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2014 7:31:57pm

Get a clue KT. You fuck up the blog comments.

10 Lidane  Jun 26, 2014 7:33:20pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Really? You’re going to troll this thread too? Take that shit downstairs.

11 klys  Jun 26, 2014 7:34:27pm

re: #10 Lidane

Really? You’re going to troll this thread too? Take that shit downstairs.

Well, he certainly wouldn’t be caught dead addressing the topic at hand.

12 The War TARDIS  Jun 26, 2014 7:37:56pm

re: #11 klys

You has messages!!

13 Mattand  Jun 26, 2014 7:37:59pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

Get a clue KT. You fuck up the blog comments.

He knows damn well what he’s doing.

It’s the blog equivalent of a child’s tantrum because they don’t like what the adults are doing.

14 Zamb  Jun 26, 2014 7:39:51pm

Unfortunately only Muslims can be terrorists. These are just well behaved Christians practicing their faith in the privacy of own homes (like others before them they define home as anything they feel they are entitled to).

15 jamesfirecat  Jun 26, 2014 7:40:24pm

Since it is my own particular favorite bugaboo to discuss, is there anyone here who thinks abortion is not something that should be left to a woman and her doctor at the moment?

16 Justanotherhuman  Jun 26, 2014 7:40:28pm

Those people are nothing but scum of the earth.

If I believed in hell, I wish they’d go there.

17 Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2014 7:42:16pm

re: #13 Mattand

He knows damn well what he’s doing.

It’s the blog equivalent of a child’s tantrum because they don’t like what the adults are doing.

And we are all so restrained in finally asking Charles WTF.

OK, I just did it.

18 Lidane  Jun 26, 2014 7:43:00pm

re: #11 klys

Getting back to the topic at hand, these are sick, deranged people. They’re celebrating a murder and have the gall to call themselves “pro-life”? Really?

They’re psychotic ghouls. It’s as simple as that.

19 jamesfirecat  Jun 26, 2014 7:43:10pm

My brother had a great line recently…

“Here is how you can tell if you are on the right side of an issue or not…

When you hear the phrase “Militantly pro-choice” do you need to ask yourself “oh has he blown up any churches/adoption centers….”

20 Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2014 7:44:08pm

Back to CNN Civil Rights 60’s spec. Excellent excellent.

21 Zamb  Jun 26, 2014 7:44:23pm

re: #18 Lidane

It’s the same as any misguided martyr. Killing is ok as long as you’re killing the people your imaginary sky friend doesn’t like. Real rational group of people.

22 Mattand  Jun 26, 2014 7:46:33pm

re: #17 Stanley Sea

And we are all so restrained in finally asking Charles WTF.

OK, I just did it.

I wouldn’t classify the above as anything banhammer-esque, but I would be pressing the holy hell out of an ignore button right now.

23 klys  Jun 26, 2014 7:48:55pm

re: #18 Lidane

Getting back to the topic at hand, these are sick, deranged people. They’re celebrating a murder and have the gall to call themselves “pro-life”? Really?

They’re psychotic ghouls. It’s as simple as that.

Because for them, potential > actual life.

That’s why they’re pro-ignoring the woman’s wants/wishes/desires/reality in favor of making her have the kid in the first place.

24 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 26, 2014 7:49:03pm

re: #22 Mattand

I wouldn’t classify the above as anything banhammer-esque, but I would be pressing the holy hell out of an ignore button right now.

That really is a feature I´d love to have available. Unlike the funky rotating picture fonts though, I doubt it´s something very easy to make work as well as he´d need it to. Alas…

25 Zamb  Jun 26, 2014 7:51:08pm

re: #23 klys

Because for them, potential > actual life.

That’s why they’re pro-ignoring the woman’s wants/wishes/desires/reality in favor of making her have the kid in the first place.

Exactly, it’s why they still picket and harass people going into a Planned Parenthood that doesn’t even provide abortions. They are literally harassing people just going into a low income women’s clinic.

26 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2014 7:52:01pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I’ll post the Rachel Maddow video clip about these disgusting “pro-life” people as soon as it’s available.

This really was a major breaking point for me. I could not continue to be associated with people who supported this anti-woman violence.

Saw that tonight. Good show. I like how she just made it factual and then tied it to the court of supreme extremes.

And of course some of the male protester activists were real scary and strange at the same time.

27 Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2014 7:52:46pm

re: #22 Mattand

I wouldn’t classify the above as anything banhammer-esque, but I would be pressing the holy hell out of an ignore button right now.

Add it up. The last 3 years.

The ole pro and con worksheet.

Then we get another terror porn post.

Seriously I think Walter was banned for less.

28 sagehen  Jun 26, 2014 7:53:55pm

re: #15 jamesfirecat

Since it is my own particular favorite bugaboo to discuss, is there anyone here who thinks abortion is not something that should be left to a woman and her doctor at the moment?

I want it to be legal, but it’s distasteful enough and wasteful enough that I’ve love there to be enough comprehensive sex education and easy affordable accessibility to contraceptives so as to drastically diminish the need. I know for certain there are countries with as much (or more) sex as we have here, and yet much lower rates of unplanned pregnancy and abortion.

29 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 26, 2014 7:55:05pm

re: #27 Stanley Sea

Add it up. The last 3 years.

The ole pro and con worksheet.

Then we get another terror porn post.

Seriously I think Walter was banned for less.

Actually Walter got a time out and decided not to come back IIRC.

KT is getting to be as consistently ruinous to threads as Ms. ¨Piss up a rope¨ was.

30 Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2014 7:55:35pm

Just want to clarify, I’m not gonna live and die with KT as an issue. Tonight is just MY NIGHT to vent.

I’m full. And he still is zero contribution to this blog.

31 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 7:56:30pm

re: #28 sagehen

I want it to be legal, but it’s distasteful enough and wasteful enough that I’ve love there to be enough comprehensive sex education and easy affordable accessibility to contraceptives so as to drastically diminish the need. I know for certain there are countries with as much (or more) sex as we have here, and yet much lower rates of unplanned pregnancy and abortion.

THIS, like, times a zillion.

That’s pro-choice with nuance. Pro-life people probably don’t even know the meaning of the word “nuance.”

32 Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2014 7:57:00pm

re: #29 William Barnett-Lewis

yep

33 Ryan King  Jun 26, 2014 7:57:43pm

Can’t wait to see TRMS on DVR tonight.

34 jamesfirecat  Jun 26, 2014 7:58:16pm

re: #28 sagehen

I want it to be legal, but it’s distasteful enough and wasteful enough that I’ve love there to be enough comprehensive sex education and easy affordable accessibility to contraceptives so as to drastically diminish the need. I know for certain there are countries with as much (or more) sex as we have here, and yet much lower rates of unplanned pregnancy and abortion.

Perfectly reasonable thing to say, abortion is the last line of defense against a woman giving birth to a child she does not want (if she want the child she would not consider getting an abortion QED) but it only treats the symptoms rather than the disease of a society that makes it so tough on pregnant women/makes women so likely to get pregnant…

35 klys  Jun 26, 2014 7:58:23pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

THIS, like, times a zillion.

That’s pro-choice with nuance. Pro-life people probably don’t even know the meaning of the word “nuance.”

I can be pro-choice without knowing what decision I would make when it comes to my own body.

In fact, I am.

Strange, that. (NOT AT ALL.)

(And, for the record: ladies do notice when guys say absolutely nothing on this topic over the period of a year+ and file that information away.)

36 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2014 7:58:38pm

re: #28 sagehen

I want it to be legal, but it’s distasteful enough and wasteful enough that I’ve love there to be enough comprehensive sex education and easy affordable accessibility to contraceptives so as to drastically diminish the need. I know for certain there are countries with as much (or more) sex as we have here, and yet much lower rates of unplanned pregnancy and abortion.

I think most reasonable people see it that way too.

And can we guess how many religious zealots there are in those countries? Our country is way backward as far as sexual lives and eroticism and just about everything related…due to religious heavy-handedness.

37 Justanotherhuman  Jun 26, 2014 7:58:58pm

So, later Lizards! The rack beckons, of course. : )

38 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 26, 2014 8:01:13pm

Later as well - however it is work that beckons me ;)

39 ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2014 8:01:25pm

re: #37 Justanotherhuman

So, later Lizards! The rack beckons, of course. : )

I’m a heading that way soon too…just doing some reading ‘round here yet.

40 goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2014 8:01:35pm

re: #27 Stanley Sea

Seriously I think Walter was banned for less.

KT can be kind of a cock-knocker but he’s not that bad. Walter was much more of an overt and peppery vagina pants. His posts would trigger the tangy scent memory of well aged bitter old caucasian, which was kind of remarkable over the inter-tubes.

41 Lidane  Jun 26, 2014 8:05:03pm

re: #28 sagehen

I agree. I firmly believe that abortion is solely a woman’s choice, and that it’s between her and her doctor in the end. I ALSO think the better plan in the long run is to focus efforts on comprehensive, real sex education. No abstinence education, no bullshit myths or scare tactics about birth control or disease, nothing. Just real information given at age appropriate intervals. Add in free and easy access to birth control and to the morning after pill and we’d see both the unplanned pregnancy and abortion rates fall.

The more women are empowered to know about their bodies and the more freedom they’re given to control their fertility and their sexuality, the better.

42 goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2014 8:07:26pm

FYI if y’all haven’t made hot buttery love to my IRS thread yet you’re missing out. We’ve got fresh lostlakehiker (don’t call it a comeback!) for you.

43 Killgore Trout  Jun 26, 2014 8:08:02pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

KT can be kind of a cock-knocker but he’s not that bad. Walter was much more of an overt and peppery vagina pants. His posts would trigger the tangy scent memory of well aged bitter old caucasian, which was kind of remarkable over the inter-tubes.

Kudos for the Kevin Smith Reference. Would current events and foreign affairs be more palatable if I linked to Dkos?
Heavy Fighting Reported in Helmand Province
I’m guessing not

44 jamesfirecat  Jun 26, 2014 8:08:56pm

Wow Jon Stewart hits it out of the park once again…”Warfair Queens” I am gonna have to remember that one.

45 Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2014 8:09:23pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

KT can be kind of a cock-knocker but he’s not that bad. Walter was much more of an overt and peppery vagina pants. His posts would trigger the tangy scent memory of well aged bitter old caucasian, which was kind of remarkable over the inter-tubes.

disagree

46 missliberties  Jun 26, 2014 8:09:31pm

Gosh they seem nice. Very pro- life.

47 Lidane  Jun 26, 2014 8:09:39pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

How about waiting until a thread has 100 posts before going off topic instead of shitting the bed every time? That would be a nice start.

48 Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2014 8:11:20pm

re: #45 Stanley Sea

disagree

And…just proven

49 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 8:11:27pm

Hitch, talking about empowering women, and a lot of other things.

Youtube Video

50 Interesting Times  Jun 26, 2014 8:12:16pm

re: #47 Lidane

How about waiting until a thread has 100 posts before going off topic instead of shitting the bed every time? That would be a nice start.

To say nothing of, you know, the PAGE FEATURE for people who want to discuss their own stuff. Those who are too lazy to use it have no right to be indignant when they get called out for derailing a thread.

51 Varek Raith  Jun 26, 2014 8:13:29pm

I be scrolling, they be hating.

52 Zamb  Jun 26, 2014 8:13:50pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

You could just create your own page for the topic you wish to discuss. Or wait a while before attempting to derail every conversation that makes your team look bad.

53 bratwurst  Jun 26, 2014 8:15:30pm

re: #50 Interesting Times

To say nothing of, you know, the PAGE FEATURE for people who want to discuss their own stuff. People who are too lazy to use it have no right to be indignant when they get called out for derailing a thread.

During the height of Occupy Wall Street he said he refused to use the pages to express his endless outrage because:

(A) It would mean moving his opinions to the back of the bus

and

(B) The stalkers would seize upon the fact that he was posting pages that directly conflicted with Charles’ point of view.

I am not kidding or exaggerating here. He really said both of these things.

54 Interesting Times  Jun 26, 2014 8:15:31pm

re: #47 Lidane

On a different note, have you ever checked out this company? They’ve got an office in Austin and did a lot of seminars at the conference I went to earlier this month. Not sure if they’d have jobs suited to your line of work, since they’re more a development shop, but it might be worth looking into.

55 GeneJockey  Jun 26, 2014 8:16:00pm

I always like to point out to “pro-lifers” that Planned Parenthood has prevented more abortions than the entire “Pro-life” movement ever has, or ever will, and that if they really, really cared about preventing abortions, they’d support not only fully funding PP, but actually expanding it.

But they don’t really care about abortion. They care about control, and slutshaming, and punishing people. It’s why they love the OT so much, and pretty much ignore the gospels. Not enough rules, not enough fire and brimstone, not enough of The Wrong Sort Of People being smited.

Fuck them.

56 klys  Jun 26, 2014 8:16:43pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

KT can be kind of a cock-knocker but he’s not that bad. Walter was much more of an overt and peppery vagina pants. His posts would trigger the tangy scent memory of well aged bitter old caucasian, which was kind of remarkable over the inter-tubes.

(There would have been a reply here, but since I actually like and respect the community, I deleted it. However, I felt it was important for folks to know that this issue does cause strong feelings and therefore wrote this message instead of being silent - since, really, let’s face it: that hasn’t worked either.)

57 Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2014 8:16:58pm

The assholes are coming out on Twitter too.

58 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 8:17:49pm

Goddamn.

59 GeneJockey  Jun 26, 2014 8:17:51pm

That must be KT’s role - token asshole.

60 klys  Jun 26, 2014 8:18:38pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

The assholes are coming out on Twitter too.

So, umm, when do we get the Tweetdeck mute function here?

/I had to ask.

61 goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2014 8:19:09pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

And…just proven

The Killgores that get under my skin are “barely paying attention to the issue” Killgore and “liberal women being hurt is funny” Killgore.

“Perseverating on questionable foreign policy” Killgore gets a pass from me in no small part because he’s not exactly wrong. It may be irritating to watch him dry hump an issue that nobody’s eager to engage him on, but by the standards he’s set for himself I find it to be comparatively low order douchebaggery.

Basically this is all he’s doing:

Youtube Video

62 Varek Raith  Jun 26, 2014 8:21:27pm

32 hard drives!

63 klys  Jun 26, 2014 8:22:01pm

re: #62 Varek Raith

32 hard drives!

64!

64 Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2014 8:22:46pm

re: #60 klys

It really wouldn’t work, if you think about it. You’d still see other people’s replies, and they might contain the whole comment. And if I blocked other people’s replies, you’d miss things you don’t want to miss.

65 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 8:23:12pm

re: #61 goddamnedfrank

Hmm. The video. Has to be the cleanest filthy thing I’ve seen on YouTube.

66 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 8:25:52pm
67 goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2014 8:27:08pm

re: #65 teleskiguy

Hmm. The video. Has to be the cleanest filthy thing I’ve seen on YouTube.

Here’s a palate cleanser:

Youtube Video

68 Snarknado!  Jun 26, 2014 8:28:45pm

re: #28 sagehen

I want it to be legal, but it’s distasteful enough and wasteful enough that I’ve love there to be enough comprehensive sex education and easy affordable accessibility to contraceptives so as to drastically diminish the need. I know for certain there are countries with as much (or more) sex as we have here, and yet much lower rates of unplanned pregnancy and abortion.

“…safe, legal and rare.”

69 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 8:29:26pm

re: #67 goddamnedfrank

Here’s a palate cleanser:

[Embedded content]

Impressive!

70 Lidane  Jun 26, 2014 8:29:33pm

re: #54 Interesting Times

Neat! They’re not far from my house. I’ll look into them. Thanks! :)

71 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 8:30:17pm

re: #68 Snarknado!

“…safe, legal and rare.”

*said in a “Newman” Seinfeld voice* Clinton

72 Lidane  Jun 26, 2014 8:33:23pm

re: #55 GeneJockey

But they don’t really care about abortion. They care about control, and slutshaming, and punishing people. It’s why they love the OT so much, and pretty much ignore the gospels. Not enough rules, not enough fire and brimstone, not enough of The Wrong Sort Of People being smited.

THIS. SO MUCH.

The so-called “pro-life” movement is really just a new version of misogyny. They don’t give a shit about babies or kids. See their hatred of welfare, WIC, early childhood education, free school lunches, etc. And they’re not pro-life since they’re rabidly in favor of the death penalty.

They just want to send women back into some mythical time and place that has never existed, where women were barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen and they were just incubators. Fuck ‘em.

73 Zamb  Jun 26, 2014 8:36:13pm

re: #66 teleskiguy

It sort of is a theocracy. I mean there are some restraints on the Christian theocrats, but because they are the major religion they get a lot more leeway than anyone else. Honestly I do believe that if this were any other group harassing a more mainstream venue we’d see this upheld. No one wants to go after the Jesus crowd either because they are of them and empathize with the cause or are simply afraid to go against the majority religion.

74 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 8:38:56pm

re: #55 GeneJockey

But they don’t really care about abortion. They care about control, and slutshaming, and punishing people. It’s why they love the OT so much, and pretty much ignore the gospels. Not enough rules, not enough fire and brimstone, not enough of The Wrong Sort Of People being smited.

Fuck them.

It’s a tragedy that these Operation Rescue fanatics are incapable of seeing any humanity in other humans that don’t ascribe to their very narrow (and religious) worldview. Judging by their words - and indeed their actions by evil people like Scott Roeder, thankfully rotting in prison - I fail to see a humanity in them.

75 TedStriker  Jun 26, 2014 8:39:18pm

re: #47 Lidane

How about waiting until a thread has 100 posts before going off topic instead of shitting the bed every time? That would be a nice start.

re: #50 Interesting Times

To say nothing of, you know, the PAGE FEATURE for people who want to discuss their own stuff. Those who are too lazy to use it have no right to be indignant when they get called out for derailing a thread.

re: #52 Zamb

You could just create you’re own page for the topic you wish to discuss. Or wait a while before attempting to derail every conversation that makes your team look bad.

re: #53 bratwurst

During the height of Occupy Wall Street he said he refused to use the pages to express his endless outrage because:

(A) It would mean moving his opinions to the back of the bus

and

(B) The stalkers would seize upon the fact that he was posting pages that directly conflicted with Charles’ point of view.

I am not kidding or exaggerating here. He really said both of these things.

I have become convinced over the past couple of years (and even more so in recent months) that KT knows exactly what he’s doing when he pulls shit like derailing this thread right off the bat: it’s to make the conversation all about him and, unfortunately, he’s often successful.

KT thinks he’s smarter than the average bear because he’s not done the whole “going out in a blaze of glory” thing like past LGF trolls and giving Stinky no choice but to swiftly swing the banstick, but patience has its limits; eventually, he’ll find Charles’.

Me, I’m pretty much over KT playing the perpetual LGF contrarian attention whore. If Charles gives a way to blackhole Lizards and their posts, KT would be first on my list, because he adds abso-fucking-lutely nothing of any real value to LGF anymore, only drama and grief.

76 Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2014 8:39:19pm

re: #61 goddamnedfrank

The Killgores that get under my skin are “barely paying attention to the issue” Killgore and “liberal women being hurt is funny” Killgore.

“Perseverating on questionable foreign policy” Killgore gets a pass from me in no small part because he’s not exactly wrong. It may be irritating to watch him dry hump an issue that nobody’s eager to engage him on, but by the standards he’s set for himself I find it to be comparatively low order douchebaggery.

Basically this is all he’s doing:

[Embedded content]

Video

That’s you GDF. You of strong stomach.

The woman shit, ah, the total disregard for human life shit. Too much.

KT, how’s your ego tonight? Smoking!

77 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2014 8:40:49pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

It really wouldn’t work, if you think about it. You’d still see other people’s replies, and they might contain the whole comment. And if I blocked other people’s replies, you’d miss things you don’t want to miss.

How about an outright ignore function where even quoted post content of said ignored user is invisible? I’ve been on a few other forums/websites with that feature.

78 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2014 8:49:21pm

re: #6 Killgore Trout

littlegreenfootballs.com

79 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2014 8:50:00pm

Pre: #7 Killgore Trout

littlegreenfootballs.com

80 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2014 8:50:53pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

littlegreenfootballs.com

81 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 26, 2014 9:08:03pm

What struck me at the time was the callous brutality of the murder: An unarmed man was shot in the head at point-blank range in the foyer of his church. The celebrations that followed were pure depraved savagery, the RWNJs reminded me of cannibals feasting on defeated enemies or of demons capering in the light of a human bonfire.
It opened my eyes to a lot of things. I had pretty well left the right behind by the time, but the Tiller murder was still a milestone in my political journey: It was when I first started to see the right as a force for evil.


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