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1 Zamb  Jun 26, 2014 8:42:11pm

And yet these fuckers keep telling me I’m the one without morals.

2 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 8:43:21pm

*re-posted from downstains, with GeneJockey’s full comment*

re: #55 GeneJockey

I always like to point out to “pro-lifers” that Planned Parenthood has prevented more abortions than the entire “Pro-life” movement ever has, or ever will, and that if they really, really cared about preventing abortions, they’d support not only fully funding PP, but actually expanding it.

But they don’t really care about abortion. They care about control, and slutshaming, and punishing people. It’s why they love the OT so much, and pretty much ignore the gospels. Not enough rules, not enough fire and brimstone, not enough of The Wrong Sort Of People being smited.

Fuck them.

It’s a tragedy that these Operation Rescue fanatics are incapable of seeing any humanity in other humans that don’t ascribe to their very narrow (and religious) worldview. Judging by their words - and indeed their actions by evil people like Scott Roeder, thankfully rotting in prison - I fail to see a humanity in them.

3 Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2014 8:44:55pm
4 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 8:46:15pm
5 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 26, 2014 8:48:13pm

Let’s have the Justices walk the gauntlet of various violent, theocratic, anti-choice miscreants posing as protesters as they go for a tour of a clinic. They won’t even make it to the door before they change their mind.

Not will they even bother to experience for themselves how a woman in need of health care is having her rights violated.

How soon before these “protesters” off some woman or the security guards?

6 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 8:48:50pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

You know the answer to this question Charles. But for those of you who don’t among Lizardim, usually a bullet from a handgun travels at about 1800 ft./sec. right out of the barrel. With a long rifle and larger calibers the speed can sometimes exceed 3000 ft./sec. right out of the barrel.

Guns. They’re the perfect killing machine for humans.

7 Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2014 8:48:55pm
8 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 8:49:23pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Yup.

9 Zamb  Jun 26, 2014 8:50:39pm

re: #6 teleskiguy

Guns. They’re the perfect killing machine for humans.

Lies! Guns are just tools, like hammers or Wayne LaPierre.

10 calochortus  Jun 26, 2014 8:56:15pm

re: #9 Zamb

Lies! Guns are just tools, like hammers or Wayne LaPierre.

And they all have about the same IQ.

11 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 8:57:56pm
12 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 9:01:03pm

13 Kid A  Jun 26, 2014 9:04:28pm

Are protests such as these allowed at or near hospitals, emergency clinics, etc.?

14 TedStriker  Jun 26, 2014 9:04:54pm

re: #11 Gus

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Talk about some bad fucking craziness right there…egads!

15 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 9:05:54pm

Oh my fuck. Just saw the video of the reenactment of the Paul Hill murders in Maddow’s report.

I’m genuinely shocked.

16 Kid A  Jun 26, 2014 9:06:59pm

At 8:20 of the clip, I got chills of fear. These people are deranged and a threat to our country.

17 Kid A  Jun 26, 2014 9:08:41pm

Maddow deserves a Pulitzer for this.

18 Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2014 9:14:03pm
19 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 9:19:18pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Stay classy.

20 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 9:20:06pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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Those crazy moderate Republicans are such a hoot. //

21 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 9:20:41pm

What are these women clinics going to do? Seriously. There will be more violence.

What’s exceptionally mind-blowing is that this was a UNANIMOUS decision.

22 Kid A  Jun 26, 2014 9:21:18pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

23 Snarknado!  Jun 26, 2014 9:21:38pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

I never cease to wonder at their reverence for life.

24 jaunte  Jun 26, 2014 9:21:52pm
25 BeachDem  Jun 26, 2014 9:24:09pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

Oh my fuck. Just saw the video of the reenactment of the Paul Hill murders in Maddow’s report.

I’m genuinely shocked.

That was absolutely stomach-churning. I had never seen their little “pageant” before, and I have to say it makes me hate those fuckers with the white hot passion of a thousand burning suns. Arrogant, ignorant, repulsive—ok I’d better stop now before my head explodes.

I cannot believe the women on the Supremes went along with this bullshit. I’m very disappointed in them.

26 jaunte  Jun 26, 2014 9:24:53pm
27 Kid A  Jun 26, 2014 9:26:42pm
28 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 9:27:12pm
29 Kid A  Jun 26, 2014 9:27:25pm

^^^ I obviously meant #WWJD. ^^^

30 jaunte  Jun 26, 2014 9:28:07pm
31 Lidane  Jun 26, 2014 9:28:29pm

re: #29 Kid A

^^^ I obviously meant #WWJD. ^^^

32 Kid A  Jun 26, 2014 9:28:51pm

I want to organize protests outside every church in America with pictures of these lunatics showing what religion does to your brain.

33 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 9:29:15pm

re: #25 BeachDem

That was absolutely stomach-churning. I had never seen their little “pageant” before, and I have to say it makes me hate those fuckers with the white hot passion of a thousand burning suns. Arrogant, ignorant, repulsive—ok I’d better stop now before my head explodes.

I cannot believe the women on the Supremes went along with this bullshit. I’m very disappointed in them.

I delivered paint for work in Denver for a time (when I lived there, not too long ago) and for two weeks I delivered paint to a hotel that was two blocks away from the main Planned Parenthood office for Denver metro. I drove by and was just flabbergasted by what I saw on the sidewalk in the daytime. Weirded me out every time I drove by in that two week period.

34 Kid A  Jun 26, 2014 9:31:15pm

Soooo, I’m assuming these “pro-life” types will be at the front of the lines ready to adopt and/or pledge financial support to every single child that was not aborted, right?

35 jaunte  Jun 26, 2014 9:32:29pm

re: #34 Kid A

Not a chance.

36 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 9:33:37pm

This SCOTUS decision is awful. The militant pro life zealots are embolded by this decision.

Rampant religious nonsense continues unabated in the United States.

Fun.

Not.

37 Lidane  Jun 26, 2014 9:34:08pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

I delivered paint for work in Denver for a time (when I lived there, not too long ago) and for two weeks I delivered paint to a hotel that was two blocks away from the main Planned Parenthood office for Denver metro. I drove by and was just flabbergasted by what I saw on the sidewalk in the daytime. Weirded me out every time I drove by in that two week period.

There’s a Planned Parenthood in East Austin. The bus stop I’d use coming home from work would let out right next to the building. They don’t do abortions, so it’s generally left alone. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a single person protesting outside it. OTOH, I remember a different PP clinic that was surrounded by a tall steel fence in a different part of town. It was definitely much more secured.

38 BeachDem  Jun 26, 2014 9:34:22pm

A friend’s SIL works at one of those bogus “crisis pregnancy centers.” She is one of the most sanctimonious assholes I know. (Needless to say, we don’t ever discuss it when we’re at a function together.) I don’t know what she does there, other than pontificate her “righteousness,” but she has no medical or counseling training and I’d run away from her if I saw her in a dark alley.

And I dread what’s going to happen now. The gun-fuckers have become so bold and brazen that it’s not a matter of if, but of when the next clinic shooting will take place.

Gotta go donate some $ to Planned Parenthood.

39 Lidane  Jun 26, 2014 9:35:11pm

re: #34 Kid A

Soooo, I’m assuming these “pro-life” types will be at the front of the lines ready to adopt and/or pledge financial support to every single child that was not aborted, right?

LOL no. Those psychos don’t care. And fuck the mother if she needs SNAP, or WIC, or any sort of government assistance. That slut is on her own.

40 Shazam  Jun 26, 2014 9:35:22pm

“Pro-life demonstrators, we have heard your arguments and are ready to make a decision.” “Shouldn’t we also hear from the clients of the clinics?” “Who?”

41 Kid A  Jun 26, 2014 9:37:41pm

Empathy. Missing in every conservative’s DNA.

42 jaunte  Jun 26, 2014 9:38:02pm
43 Zamb  Jun 26, 2014 9:38:04pm

re: #34 Kid A

Soooo, I’m assuming these “pro-life” types will be at the front of the lines ready to adopt and/or pledge financial support to every single child that was not aborted, right?

No lazy minorities shouldn’t be havin babies.

44 Teukka  Jun 26, 2014 9:38:21pm

re: #28 Gus

I say we start forming mass counseling services in front of gun stores along with photos of victims of gun violence.

Why not iPads or tablets playing this PSA?
CAUTION! DISTRESSING AND GRAPHIC!
Really. Caution.
Youtube Video
*ducks behind sandbags and hopes he didn’t go OTT on this one, calls waaaaahbulance to deal with the RWNJ outrage.*

45 jaunte  Jun 26, 2014 9:40:01pm

re: #34 Kid A

Soooo, I’m assuming these “pro-life” types will be at the front of the lines ready to adopt and/or pledge financial support to every single child that was not aborted, right?

Self-righteously abusing people is their hobby. They wouldn’t make good parents, and they aren’t interested in the commitment it would take.

46 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 9:41:16pm

re: #37 Lidane

I remember a different PP clinic that was surrounded by a tall steel fence in a different part of town. It was definitely much more secured.

This Planned Parenthood I drove by looked like a prison. They definitely performed abortions.

47 The War TARDIS  Jun 26, 2014 9:41:21pm

re: #31 Lidane

Notice that these were money changers.

You know, like bankers and Wall Street?

48 Shazam  Jun 26, 2014 9:42:13pm

re: #41 Kid A

I seem to recall during I believe the 2008 election conservatives openly mocking the very idea of empathy.

49 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 9:49:45pm
50 darthstar  Jun 26, 2014 9:50:01pm

51 jaunte  Jun 26, 2014 9:51:21pm

re: #49 Gus

They worship the God of Hair Care, a cruel and demanding god.

52 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 9:52:10pm

re: #51 jaunte

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They worship the God of Hair Care, a cruel and demanding god.

So catty for conservatives. //

53 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 9:52:47pm

re: #49 Gus

CLASSLESS!!1

54 Killgore Trout  Jun 26, 2014 9:52:50pm

The Central Paradox of the 21st Century

As employees we may be suffering but as consumers, we live like kings.
….
It is schizophrenic: as workers we have few rights and less power. As consumers, we live like gods.
Our unheard of affluence as consumers, our precarious existence as workers both stem from the same source: inexorable productivity increases. Every year, as technology advances we can make more goods and services with fewer inputs of labour and capital. It used to take dozens of men to unload a ship. Today one man on a computer and another on a crane are faster than 100 longshoremen could ever be.
…
Capitalism and technology have in large part solved the problem of supply. We need to solve the problem of demand. The first step is to realize we live in a post scarcity economy, that austerity is not the answer. The second stem is to recognize we need to divorce work from consumption. Otherwise, technological progress will impoverish us rather than enrich us and that would be tragic, ironic, and absurd.

55 Lidane  Jun 26, 2014 9:56:10pm

re: #45 jaunte

Self-righteously abusing people is their hobby. They wouldn’t make good parents, and they aren’t interested in the commitment it would take.

And if they DO have kids, the kids are treated like trophies to be shown off once a week at church and as stooges that get indoctrinated to their brand of thinking.

I feel bad for the children of these zealots. They don’t have a chance at a normal childhood.

56 jaunte  Jun 26, 2014 9:57:40pm

re: #52 Gus

So catty for conservatives. //

This is why Carly Fiorina always traveled with a hair stylist. She knew her people.

57 jaunte  Jun 26, 2014 9:59:39pm
58 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 10:00:04pm

Shiplord Kirel, jaunte, Lidane, austin_blue, I’m sure there are more Texas Lizards.

How do y’all deal with it?!? Texas politics is strange.

59 jaunte  Jun 26, 2014 10:01:12pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

There’s a lot of screaming “Serenity Now!!!”

60 Blue Fielder  Jun 26, 2014 10:01:21pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/pages

61 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 10:05:24pm
62 Killgore Trout  Jun 26, 2014 10:06:51pm

re: #60 Blue Fielder

It’s an interesting blog. Some economics stuff over my head some cool social ideas. Some of it is interesting, but some seems utopian and just a little nutty
Towards a new Golden Age

63 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 10:07:49pm
64 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 10:09:02pm
65 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 10:12:53pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

KT, the jaded veteran.

I dunno, man. To me, it’s just internet comments.

66 jaunte  Jun 26, 2014 10:13:02pm

The Pitchforks Are Coming… For Us Plutocrats

Memo: From Nick Hanauer
To: My Fellow Zillionaires

politico.com

67 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 10:13:54pm

re: #66 jaunte

The Pitchforks Are Coming… For Us Plutocrats

The most ironic thing about rising inequality is how completely unnecessary and self-defeating it is. If we do something about it, if we adjust our policies in the way that, say, Franklin D. Roosevelt did during the Great Depression—so that we help the 99 percent and preempt the revolutionaries and crazies, the ones with the pitchforks—that will be the best thing possible for us rich folks, too. It’s not just that we’ll escape with our lives; it’s that we’ll most certainly get even richer.

Read more: politico.com

68 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 10:14:52pm

I’ve said it before. If the 1 percent don’t get their shit together they will eventually face the consequences.

69 Lidane  Jun 26, 2014 10:15:45pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

Shiplord Kirel, jaunte, Lidane, austin_blue, I’m sure there are more Texas Lizards.

How do y’all deal with it?!? Texas politics is strange.

I can’t speak for anyone else, but friends, good food, good music, and strong drinks help. Also, laughing at the absurdity. Texas politics ARE weird.

For example, I spent most of my childhood and my early 20’s in Houston, which is a city with a completely incoherent layout that gives new meaning to the phrase “urban sprawl”. Folks there considered urban planning a communist plot and kept voting accordingly.

Over the years, this has only served to make the city’s layout even more incoherent to the point where you can literally go north to go south and where you either buy an EZ Tag for all the toll roads or carry a suitcase filled with rolls of quarters. And people like it that way! WTF. I didn’t see how fucked the city layout was until I left and came back years later. It’s crazy.

70 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 10:16:11pm

Their choice.

71 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 10:16:42pm

That Pitchforks article is four pages of a billionaire telling other billionaires what they don’t want to hear. I applaud Nick Hanauer’s candid nature on money, economics, and inequality.

72 Killgore Trout  Jun 26, 2014 10:16:46pm

re: #68 Gus

I’ve said it before. If the 1 percent don’t get their shit together they will eventually face the consequences.

and if we don’t get our shit together we’ll find ourselves exploited over and over again.

73 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 10:16:48pm

I also think that if Obama’s impeached that would be a valid call for civic action. Ahem.

74 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 10:18:08pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

and if we don’t get our shit together we’ll find ourselves exploited over and over again.

I’d say something about goal posts, but.

75 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 10:21:53pm

It’s about who controls the capital and not about some self improvement story. I think. No?

76 Killgore Trout  Jun 26, 2014 10:23:11pm

re: #74 Gus

I’d say something about goal posts, but.

From the politico article…

Ford figured that if he raised their wages, to a then-exorbitant $5 a day, they’d be able to afford his Model Ts.

What a great idea. My suggestion to you is: Let’s do it all over again. We’ve got to try something. These idiotic trickle-down policies are destroying my customer base. And yours too.

From my link @ #54….

This paradox between our affluence as consumers and our precariousness as workers poses economic, political, and moral conundrums. If we can produce more with less, and workers become redundant, who will buy the goods? A robot can make a mobile phone but it cannot purchase one. Workers are also consumers. Fire your workers, your profits will rise until the day no one can afford to buy your product. Henry Ford was a visionary for paying his workers enough so they could buy his cars.

Very much the same topic, even the same examples to make the same point.

77 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 10:25:04pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

From the politico article…

From my link @ #54….

Very much the same topic, even the same examples to make the same point.

He’s talking to people like himself.

78 Killgore Trout  Jun 26, 2014 10:27:06pm

re: #77 Gus

He’s talking to people like himself.

and why haven’t we seen the mobs with pitchforks yet?
from #54

as workers we have few rights and less power. As consumers, we live like gods.

Bread and circus keeps the unwashed masses happy enough to stave off unrest.

79 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 10:28:06pm

re: #69 Lidane

I can’t speak for anyone else, but friends, good food, good music, and strong drinks help. Also, laughing at the absurdity. Texas politics ARE weird.

For example, I spent most of my childhood and my early 20’s in Houston, which is a city with a completely incoherent layout that gives new meaning to the phrase “urban sprawl”. Folks there considered urban planning a communist plot and kept voting accordingly. This has only served to make the city’s layout even more incoherent to the point where you can literally go north to go south and where you either buy an EZ Tag for all the toll roads or carry a suitcase filled with rolls of quarters.

OMG!!!

It was opening day at Vail, two years ago, first day the lifts spun for skiing, right before Thanksgiving. I sat on the chair with a couple of dudes randomly. They asked me if I had weed. Heh!

They lived in Houston. One worked for an oil company (out in the middle of the Gulf) and the other drove truck for the same oil company (they knew each other since they were kids).

After skiing (ahem, I tele skied, they both snowboarded and were shall we say, not very good) we ápres skied and had a couple of drinks.

They told me about Hurricane Ike. They decided to stay in Houston for the storm, and the shit hit the fan. Dude told me that due to all the damaged infrastructure, the confusing street grid, the flooding, all the rest, that after two and a half hours trying to drive out of the city, he had only made it about 20 city blocks. They ended up looting a couple of stores the next day because it was just, fuck man…y’know?

80 Killgore Trout  Jun 26, 2014 10:28:39pm

panem et circenses would make a nice motto for a family crest.

81 Killgore Trout  Jun 26, 2014 10:30:42pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Bread and circus keeps the unwashed masses happy enough to stave off unrest.

I can guarantee you that very few people in power are considering the Politico op-ed. They are figuring out how to keep the bread and circus going as long as possible.

82 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 10:33:09pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

and why haven’t we seen the mobs with pitchforks yet?
from #54

Bread and circus keeps the unwashed masses happy enough to stave off unrest.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

We haven’t seen the real sea level rises either.

83 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 10:36:11pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

I can guarantee you that very few people in power are considering the Politico op-ed. They are figuring out how to keep the bread and circus going as long as possible.

Title is stupid. Text is good. It’s true. Either the 1% fixes their shit or eventually the pitchforks will come.

84 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 10:36:29pm

Picture time.

85 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 10:37:10pm
86 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 10:39:53pm

Paged it. :D

87 Gus  Jun 26, 2014 10:41:09pm

Ford wins!

88 Lancelot Link  Jun 26, 2014 10:45:02pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Bread and circus keeps the unwashed masses happy enough to stave off unrest.

The people demand more bread and better circuses!

89 Lidane  Jun 26, 2014 10:48:45pm

re: #79 teleskiguy

I left in 1998 and don’t miss it at all. Sure, I miss the friends I have there but we keep up on Facebook and at some point I’ll go back to hang with them again, but living there? Not a chance in hell. No way.

I would have hated to be there during Ike. I remember being there with Hurricane Alicia and that was bad enough. I can’t even imagine how bad it was with Ike.

90 teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2014 10:55:39pm

re: #89 Lidane

Ike was so bad that all I did was listen to these two dudes talk about it for close to an hour during ápres ski. I was transfixed!

It’s a shame I don’t remember their names. It was a very informal affair.

91 Lidane  Jun 27, 2014 12:08:59am
92 Lidane  Jun 27, 2014 12:20:54am

For the history buffs:

93 Amory Blaine  Jun 27, 2014 1:36:05am

Wisconsin second only to Alabama in cuts to education funding, study shows

Wisconsin has had the second deepest slash in per-student spending in the nation since 2008 — second only to Alabama — according to a study by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

Spending per pupil in Wisconsin was down $1,038 from 2008 for the school year just ended. Alabama cut per-pupil spending by $1,242.

Alabama and Wisconsin led the list of at least 35 states providing less funding per student than they did before the recession hit.

94 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2014 1:41:28am

re: #54 Killgore Trout

The Central Paradox of the 21st Century

Our agricultural system also suffers under this paradox: up until the late 20th century, our challenge was to provide sufficient nutrition to a growing population.

Now obesity is more of health threat than malnutrition.

95 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 27, 2014 2:35:07am

If the results of this ruling are horrible, this reflects only on your Constitution, not on the SCOTUS. When both the wingnuts and the liberals on the SCOTUS are unanimous, this is a good sign that something is (or is not) really constitutional.

96 Amory Blaine  Jun 27, 2014 3:27:54am

Ukraine Signs Trade, Economic Pact With European Union

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on Friday signed up to a trade and economic pact with the European Union, saying it may be the “most important day” for his country since it became independent from the Soviet Union.

It was the decision of his pro-Moscow predecessor, Viktor Yanukovych, to back out of the same EU association agreement in November that touched off massive protests in Ukraine that eventually led to Yanukovych’s flight abroad, Russia’s annexation of the Crimean Peninsula and the ongoing tensions between Russia and Ukraine.

97 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 27, 2014 4:04:41am

re: #96 Amory Blaine

Well, Vlad won’t be pleased, nor his fanbois in the eastern half of the country, but it’s a good move for the long run.

98 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2014 4:28:31am

re: #97 wheat-dogghazi

Well, Vlad won’t be pleased, nor his fanbois in the eastern half of the country, but it’s a good move for the long run.

It will be a good thing until Russia completes gas pipelines that bypass Ukraine.

99 Dark_Falcon  Jun 27, 2014 4:46:13am

re: #95 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

If the results of this ruling are horrible, this reflects only on your Constitution, not on the SCOTUS. When both the wingnuts and the liberals on the SCOTUS are unanimous, this is a good sign that something is (or is not) really constitutional.

QTF. Moreover, the person who who brought this suit, Eleanor McCullen, doesn’t operate with the anger and pressure tactics of many “right-to-lifers”. She operates by politely and in moderate tone trying to offer literature and advice to women entering Planned Parenthood clinics. She does not push at people if rejected.

Chief Justice Roberts drew a line between the quiet advocacy of an Eleanor McCullen and some evangelical rager screaming “IF YOU GO IN THERE YOU’LL BURN IN HELL AS A BABY-KILLING SLUT!!1. SCOTUS essentially said that the state may not take actions as strong as those taken against that rager with those who are calmer and less threatening.

I derived some of this analysis from an article on NRO. It is here. To not annoy the group I did not quote from it directly. But it was interesting in its agreeing with Chief Justice Roberts over Justice Scalia in the need to draw distinctions between advocacy and abuse.

100 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 27, 2014 4:46:36am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It will be a good thing until Russia completes gas pipelines that bypass Ukraine.

True, but we’ll see what the future holds. Putin seems to have mellowed a bit in his crowding the eastern Ukrainian border with tanks.

101 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2014 4:51:05am

re: #100 wheat-dogghazi

True, but we’ll see what the future holds. Putin seems to have mellowed a bit in his crowding the eastern Ukrainian border with tanks.

He has not mellowed, he has just shifted his tactics. You underestimate his steely-eyed, bear-wrestling resolve.

102 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 4:53:41am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

QTF. Moreover, the person who who brought this suit, Eleanor McCullen, doesn’t operate with the anger and pressure tactics of many “right-to-lifers”. She operates by politely and in moderate tone trying to offer literature and advice to women entering Planned Parenthood clinics. She does not push at people if rejected.

So what? How does that make her any different from a panhandler who approaches and says “Please sir can you spare $5 for a bottle of milk for my starving child”

Eleanor McCullen and her ilk do not deserve EVEN ONE NANOSECOND OF ATTENTION from their targets.

103 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 4:55:55am

Eleanor McCullen is not the victim here. The women whose space she is invading “for a polite little chitchat” are the victims. She is the predator. They did not invite her to a little chitchat. Her chitchats are not “consensual” even though SCOTUS keeps using that word.

104 A Mom Anon  Jun 27, 2014 4:56:57am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

You know what though? Women who make the choice to have an abortion do not need the counsel of strangers off the street as they go through that process. Would you like it if I started shoving pictures and literature in your face when you were going into the doctor’s office? I don’t give a shit if someone is “gentle” about it, their rights stop where mine begin. And I have the right to see a doctor for any damned reason I choose to without being disturbed, harassed and intimidated. Or preached to.

This is kicking open the door to more intimidation and it’s only a matter of time before we have another shooting. I hope you watched the clip above DF, these people are dangerous. I’m not worried about the people praying in silence for my soul or whatever, I’m more concerned about the Army of God types who have made it their mission to control women’s lives, even by threat of death for non compliance to their way of thinking. ANY win for these assholes emboldens them.

It’s going to get worse before it gets better. I can’t believe this is STILL a goddamned issue in this country. It’s fucking ridiculous.

(BBL, I have to go pick up my son from school in a few)

105 Dark_Falcon  Jun 27, 2014 4:57:40am

re: #103 Pie-onist Overlord

Eleanor McCullen is not the victim here. The women whose space she is invading “for a polite little chitchat” are the victims. She is the predator. They did not invite her to a little chitchat. Her chitchats are not “consensual” even though SCOTUS keeps using that word.

She’s not a predator and those walking to the clinic are free to tell her “Leave me alone.”, whereupon she backs off.

106 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 5:02:04am

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

She’s not a predator and those walking to the clinic are free to tell her “Leave me alone.”, whereupon she backs off.

I remember, many years ago, I was leaving synagogue with my parents after Yom Kippur services when there was some asshole passing out flyers about Jesus. He offered one to my father, who just shook his head, and my mother said STAY AWAY FROM ME!

The sidewalk in front of the temple was littered with this idiot’s flyers because he shoved them in people’s hands and they walked a few steps and then dropped it.

107 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 5:02:40am

So who should have gotten the ticket for littering?

108 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2014 5:04:40am

re: #107 Pie-onist Overlord

So who should have gotten the ticket for littering?

Jewish people, for rejecting Jesus

/

109 Dark_Falcon  Jun 27, 2014 5:12:55am

re: #107 Pie-onist Overlord

So who should have gotten the ticket for littering?

Him, for shoving the flyers in people’s hands. Which I not is not what the person we are talking about was doing.

110 Dark_Falcon  Jun 27, 2014 5:17:51am

Another point the Supreme Court made was that the ‘35-feet rule’ was a blanket rule applied to all people opposed to abortion on all day, but large protests only tended to happen on Saturdays. Hence Chief Justice Roberts made clear that was the kind of thing the law needed to be better tailored on:

While a buffer zone is likely the only option during a large protest by religious fanatics, when there are only a few people around who are being better behaved a different more relaxed rule ought to prevail.

111 Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2014 5:19:00am

I saw this posted in the comments a couple posts ago:

LAPD Detective Under Fire for Racially Charged Recording Assigned to Home

Quoting from the news story:

In the recording, Lyga, who as an undercover narcotics detective in 1997 fatally shot a black LAPD officer who was off duty, can be heard saying, “I could have killed a whole truckload of them and would have happily done that.”

[…]

Seventeen years ago, while working undercover, Lyga shot to death an off-duty officer, Kevin Gaines. The LAPD concluded it was a road-rage situation and that Gaines had threatened Lyga.

The news story so conveniently leaves out the fact that Kevin Gaines was a corrupt cop, who was part of CRASH, and also worked security for Suge Knight and the Piru Blood street gang.

112 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 5:19:03am

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Him, for shoving the flyers in people’s hands. Which I not is not what the person we are talking about was doing.

What she is doing is pretty much the same thing, soliciting conversations with people WHO DID NOT INVITE HER, and offering literature which is exactly what this guy was doing.

What you said: trying to offer literature and advice

If it’s not REQUESTED that means IT’S NOT WELCOME.

113 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 5:21:51am

What about the subway car buskers? Do they have a constitutional right to sit on random women’s laps because it’s a part of their “entertainment”?

114 Dark_Falcon  Jun 27, 2014 5:25:59am

re: #113 Pie-onist Overlord

What about the subway car buskers? Do they have a constitutional right to sit on random women’s laps because it’s a part of their “entertainment”?

Ma’am, with respect that comparison doesn’t hold water. There is a major difference between asking to speak to someone and offering them a booklet and trying to sit on them, and the law recognizes that difference.

115 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 5:29:30am

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Ma’am, with respect that comparison doesn’t hold water. There is a major difference between asking to speak to someone and offering them a booklet and trying to sit on them, and the law recognizes that difference.

What part of NONE OF THESE ARE CONSENSUAL don’t you understand? That’s the word SCOTUS used, that Eleanor McCullen’s sidewalk chitchats were “consensual”

Consensual means both parties agree to it.

116 Dark_Falcon  Jun 27, 2014 5:34:42am

re: #115 Pie-onist Overlord

What part of NONE OF THESE ARE CONSENSUAL don’t you understand? That’s the word SCOTUS used, that Eleanor McCullen’s sidewalk chitchats were “consensual”

Consensual means both parties agree to it.

She asked to talk and if the other party agreed they they talked. If not, they stopped. Thus things only progressed with consent. She did not attempt to force anyone to listen to her or force them to take anything she was offering.

At this point, I need to go to work. BBL

117 Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2014 5:37:03am

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Another point the Supreme Court made was that the ‘35-feet rule’ was a blanket rule applied to all people opposed to abortion on all day, but large protests only tended to happen on Saturdays. Hence Chief Justice Roberts made clear that was the kind of thing the law needed to be better tailored on:

While a buffer zone is likely the only option during a large protest by religious fanatics, when there are only a few people around who are being better behaved a different more relaxed rule ought to prevail.

Will this give the Westboro fanatics better access to veterans’ funerals by weakening state/local laws on buffer zones?

118 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 27, 2014 5:40:18am

So what happens when, in a SYG state, an armed clinic escort feels ¨threatened” by one of these Forced Birth Terrorists?

119 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2014 5:41:42am

re: #118 William Barnett-Lewis

So what happens when, in a SYG state, an armed clinic escort feels ¨threatened” by one of these Forced Birth Terrorists?

especially since they know how that some right-to-lifers see it as a justification for taking lives…

120 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 5:42:50am

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

She asked to talk and if the other party agreed they they talked. If not, they stopped. Thus things only progressed with consent. She did not attempt to force anyone to listen to her or force them to take anything she was offering.

At this point, I need to go to work. BBL

I do not welcome some random stranger coming up to me or calling me on the phone and saying “Good morning! My name is blahblahblah may I have a moment of your time to talk to you about blahblalblah” they have already taken more than a moment of my time with their annoying shpiel.

If it’s a telemarketer I hang up the phone. If it’s somebody coming up to me on the sidewalk I look the other way and walk faster. Does Eleanor McCullen not get that walking faster and looking the other way means the same thing as FUCK OFF.

121 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 5:45:48am

THESE SIDEWALK CONVERSATIONS ARE NOT CONSENSUAL.

122 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 5:47:49am

PEOPLE DO NOT WELCOME REQUESTS FOR “SIDEWALK COUNSELING” FROM RANDOM STRANGERS

How fucking difficult is that to comprehend?

123 The Awkward Guy  Jun 27, 2014 5:52:23am

re: #122 Pie-onist Overlord

Honestly, it’s one of those things that should go without saying, too.

124 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2014 5:53:15am

re: #122 Pie-onist Overlord

PEOPLE DO NOT WELCOME REQUESTS FOR “SIDEWALK COUNSELING” FROM RANDOM STRANGERS

How fucking difficult is that to comprehend?

I believe local law often requires women to receive approved counselling. Obviously insufficient if they are still getting an abortion…

125 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 5:56:34am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I believe local law often requires women to receive approved counselling…obviously insufficient if they are still getting an abortion…

The same law should also require all these “sidewalk counselors” to have some kind of certification and training to show they are qualified. That means they should have admitting privileges at the local hospital.

126 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 27, 2014 5:58:49am

Imagine if a family therapist accosted random couples or families on the street, to give them advice. Or fashion consultants critiquing the way you dress. The sidewalk is not a consultation room. It’s a public venue; still people expect some kind of privacy while they are on it. If someone gets in my face and I refuse to engage them in conversation, that is not consensual dialog.

127 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 27, 2014 6:03:43am

re: #125 Pie-onist Overlord

BTW, I left a very late response to 1Peter G or whatever his moniker is on the Detroit page. The thread may be dead, though.

128 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 6:04:29am

re: #127 wheat-dogghazi

BTW, I left a very late response to 1Peter G or whatever his moniker is on the Detroit page. The thread may be dead, though.

I saw it. Makes sense, totally wasted on the troll.

129 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 27, 2014 6:06:49am

re: #128 Pie-onist Overlord

I saw it. Makes sense, totally wasted on the troll.

My quixotic attempt to engage him in a dialog about realities, and not urban planning class proposals.

130 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 27, 2014 6:09:27am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

She’s a creep and it’s a pity that the US Constitution is defective enough to allow this. But it’s a fact. There is nothing to be done about this except amending the Constitution.

131 Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2014 6:10:03am

Let’s all laugh at Ann Coulter, right-wing performance artist

Methinks the author of that piece may be on something. Note that she’s also bestest buds with Matt Drudge, coincidence?

132 Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2014 6:11:21am

re: #130 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

She’s a creep and it’s a pity that the US Constitution is defective enough to allow this. But it’s a fact. There is nothing to be done about this except amending the Constitution.

So, why is okay for the Supreme Court, the President, and political conventions to have buffer zones?

133 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 27, 2014 6:12:36am

re: #132 Timothy Watson

So, why is okay for the Supreme Court, the President, and political conventions to have buffer zones?

I didn’t write anything about this, not sure why you are asking me.

134 Romantic Heretic  Jun 27, 2014 6:12:57am

Had to stop watching. Filthy, corrupt assholes who just want to kill people and have decided to use Scripture as an excuse for their behaviour.

135 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2014 6:13:04am

re: #131 Timothy Watson

Let’s all laugh at Ann Coulter, right-wing performance artist

Methinks the author of that piece may be on something. Note that she’s also bestest buds with Matt Drudge, coincidence?

Aaron McGruder was right all along.

Caution: Strong language, may be NSFW.
Youtube Video

136 Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2014 6:14:56am

re: #133 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I didn’t write anything about this, not sure why you are asking me.

You seemed to be agreeing with the court’s decision and its rationale.

138 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 27, 2014 6:18:30am

re: #136 Timothy Watson

You seemed to be agreeing with the court’s decision and its rationale.

Obviously, if the SCOTUS justices representing the whole political spectrum, from wingnuts to liberals, including liberal women among them, have unanimously decided that this is constitutional, then it is. It is bad that it is constitutional, but forgive me, if I accept this unanimous opinion of the 9 SCOTUS justices on the constitutionality (as opposed to morality) over blog comments.

139 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 27, 2014 6:24:40am

Just got an email: LinkedIn wants me to write stuff for my network. Should I be impressed?

(Kinda think not.)

140 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2014 6:28:38am

re: #139 wheat-dogghazi

Just got an email: LinkedIn wants me to write stuff for my network. Should I be impressed?

(Kinda think not.)

I singed up for it once but never lined back into it

Maybe you can write an artfully linked letter…

141 lawhawk  Jun 27, 2014 6:41:41am

On the one hand, yesterday’s ruling by the Supreme Court on buffer zones was calling for free speech to trump other rights, which is something that most of us agree is a core right. The problem is that the reason for the restrictions in the first place was the safety of those seeking abortions was, and remains, in doubt due to aggressive protesters and those who wish to do harm to both those seeking abortions and those who provide them.

The 35 foot restriction isn’t so severe a restriction on protesters, and the protesters could still yell to their heart’s content. Now, they can get right up into the face of those seeking abortions - which was always their goal hoping to intimidate women into not getting abortions and not allowing doctors to do their jobs in providing proper medical care to these women.

With some states allowing SYG and open carry and all kinds of unfettered firearms carry rules, it sets up the possibility that these protests will escalate into violence - and the need for the rules become even more clear than they were when the rules were initiated in Mass.

It’s an example of how the Court appears to disregard common sense or factual evidence that doesn’t jibe with the Court’s intended outcome. Heck, it would potentially open the door to suits against even the Court itself for limiting where/how the protesters can protest and interact with the Court, the appellants, and participants. The Court clearly understands that they need to set up the zones for themselves, but ignore those same reasons when it comes to protests that have already shown themselves to have engaged in violence in the past.

Then, there’s NLRB v. Canning, which is another example of how the Court tried to protect the right of the President to make recess appointments, but then essentially gave Congress a roadmap of how to prevent them from ever being done again (a similar outcome when the Court found part of the VRA was unconstitutional and then indicated that Congress should rewrite the section to make it valid, knowing full well that this Congress and this GOP would never let that happen).

The GOP keeps trying to claim that the President is abusing his power, engaging in an imperial presidency, but the facts show otherwise. Even in the area of recess appointments, he’s made far fewer than his predecessors.

According to the Congressional Research Service, President Ronald Reagan made 240 recess appointments, President George H. W. Bush made 77 recess appointments, President Bill Clinton made 139 recess appointments. President George W. Bush made 171 recess appointments, and as of January 5, 2012, President Barack Obama had made 32 recess appointments.[11]

32 recess appointments. That’s not a typo. Some of that has to do with how Congress has tried to remain in session to block his action, but it’s also a reluctance on the President’s part to do so.

In the meantime, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of positions that are unfilled because they haven’t been confirmed by Congress. That, too, is because this Congress refuses to act on the President’s nominees, so they’ve completely brought the process to a standstill and thwart the administration of government. None of this appears to have had any bearing on the outcome in Canning.

Instead, the Court went with a reading that recess appointments are constitutional, but those made during a 3-day recess aren’t constitutional. That now means that Congress knows precisely what they can do to prevent a recess appointment, though some observers think that the Court also gave a loophole for the president to potentially exploit by finding a Senator willing to declare that a quorum isn’t satisfied for Senate business to occur - allowing the president to make the appointments on such a showing.

Mind you, none of this would be needed if this Congress, and the GOP in particular, were interested in an orderly administration of government business. They are not. That’s been abundantly clear since the moment this President was sworn in.

142 ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2014 6:47:03am

I’m not a constitutional lawyer…but can an interpretation of HIPPA laws and personal privacy rights be used to create zones of medical privacy around all medical facilities? Therefore covering abortion clinics.

What protester has the right to assume they can protest a health decision that should be private?

Also, can a reading of separation between Church and State also be used? This is surely a church versus state issue…not a legal health clinic issue.

If you don’t like a law then protest where the laws are made. Take it to City Hall, the County Courthouse, the State Capital, the US Capital…the Supreme Court.

So make a rule that ALL protests against any health law has to be taken to where the laws are made…not where healthcare is administered.

143 Killgore Trout  Jun 27, 2014 6:47:09am

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Our agricultural system also suffers under this paradox: up until the late 20th century, our challenge was to provide sufficient nutrition to a growing population.

Now obesity is more of health threat than malnutrition.

Excellent example. The supply side of the economics isn’t as much of a problem these days as the demand side. I think you might even be able to tie in the recent economic crisis too. Housing wasn’t in shortage, what got us was people taking out loans and equity from their houses that they couldn’t pay back. This mostly wasn’t done out of necessity. as long as we’re willing to overconsume there will be companies eager to help us do it.

144 Killgore Trout  Jun 27, 2014 6:48:59am

Good news: Sudanese Christian Woman Inside U.S. Embassy

145 ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2014 6:49:52am

re: #141 lawhawk

…cut…

It’s an example of how the Court appears to disregard common sense or factual evidence that doesn’t jibe with the Court’s intended outcome. Heck, it would potentially open the door to suits against even the Court itself for limiting where/how the protesters can protest and interact with the Court, the appellants, and participants. The Court clearly understands that they need to set up the zones for themselves, but ignore those same reasons when it comes to protests that have already shown themselves to have engaged in violence in the past.

…cut…

lawhawk…can I take some of your comment and just call it what I think it is?

Fucking Naive!

146 Justanotherhuman  Jun 27, 2014 6:51:23am

This is horrific. Absolutely horrific.

And I can’t believe the entire SC voted to allow this. It has shattered my hope that the women on the bench even considered what so many women go through when the odds are against us in every possible way.

147 GunstarGreen  Jun 27, 2014 6:51:32am

If you try to get between me or any member of my family and any of our doctors? You’d better be prepared to be seeing your doctor, real soon.

I don’t give one single fuck how polite you are. My knuckles are polite, too.

148 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2014 6:52:10am

re: #143 Killgore Trout

Excellent example. The supply side of the economics isn’t as much of a problem these days as the demand side. I think you might even be able to tie in the recent economic crisis too. Housing wasn’t in shortage, what got us was people taking out loans and equity from their houses that they couldn’t pay back. This mostly wasn’t done out of necessity. as long as we’re willing to overconsume there will be companies eager to help us do it.

The limiting factor on the housing market was not so much the availability of houses as the availability of mortgage loans. The sub-prime boom let to a glut of mortgage loans being offered.

Remember all the spam that used to get sent out until 2008 for “low-cost mortgage loans”? Just tell us how much you need and how much you can afford to pay and we’ll work something out for you!

149 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 6:52:16am

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Our agricultural system also suffers under this paradox: up until the late 20th century, our challenge was to provide sufficient nutrition to a growing population.

Now obesity is more of health threat than malnutrition.

Obesity is a form of malnutrition. People can not afford to buy fresh, healthful fruits, vegetables and proteins, and have no time to prepare healthy meals and fill up on cheap processed products that are full of sugar, HFCS, processed carbs.

150 lawhawk  Jun 27, 2014 6:52:40am

re: #142 ObserverArt

Colorado’s buffer zone applies to all health care facilities; the Mass law applied only to clinics providing abortions. That’s one way to address the issue since the Court allowed the Colorado buffer to stand.

I don’t see how HIPAA would apply in these cases; they apply to the patient’s medical records and where/how they can be accessed and used. Visiting a doctor’s office tells you only that you’ve gone to a doctor, not what was discussed, what procedures were done, etc.

You go to a dentist’s office. It could have been for a cleaning, consultation, or a root canal. No way to know simply by the visit.

Abortion providers often do other services as well - gynecological exams, physicals, blood tests, etc.

The decision was naive and foolish, and it may well end up with a body count among protesters, patients, and doctors.

151 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 27, 2014 6:53:27am

this ruling combined with Open Carry now means armed intimidation of young women is now legal in the USA.

I keep seeing the signs we now live in a de-facto Theocracy.

152 TedStriker  Jun 27, 2014 6:53:58am

re: #145 ObserverArt

lawhawk…can I take some of your comment and just call it what I think it is?

Fucking Naive!

Uhh, what?

153 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 6:56:52am
“I want to make sure that there’s no police officer anywhere in this United States that thinks that it’s OK to cavity-search women on the side of the road,” Booker added. “Women are supposed to be protected, and it is horrible to think that riding on the side of the road the person that’s supposed to keep you safe would basically rape you.”

The male officer was fired after the incident. The female officer was originally fired but later returned to the police force and was placed on a 60-day suspension without pay after a grand jury decided not to indict her.

Paged

And so it goes …

154 lawhawk  Jun 27, 2014 7:01:09am

re: #152 TedStriker

Think he was referring to what the Court did, not to my comment.

155 ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2014 7:04:55am

re: #152 TedStriker

Umm, what?

It is my opinion. I am not a lawyer or a judge. It is just the opinion of a member of this blog. One shared by at least one other if you read all the comments.

So, my opinion has no bearing on the law.

I think I know where you are going and are going to say it is a legal ruling backed by law and the Constitution and they gave a strict ruling…obvioulsy with a 9-0 decision. I understand that.

But that does not mean that it is still not naive due to the problems that one ruling is going to cause in a whole bunch of other laws.

So, let me ask this. Could the Court have tossed it out saying that some form of protection for a patient going to a clinic is needed and toss it back into the laps of lawmakers to come up with something that will pass SCOTUS ruling and allow the law to stand until a better replacement can be drawn up?

And if anyone thinks this isn’t going to cause real problems and maybe real safety issues…then they are naive. And yes…a judge can be naive.

Again…my opinion. It has no bearing on actual law. So no need to worry about an opinion, right?

156 ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2014 7:08:37am

re: #154 lawhawk

Think he was referring to what the Court did, not to my comment.

You would be right. I meant to say the portion of your comment that I cut from your original comment can be said in a simpler way. And that would be the court was ‘fucking naive.’

Sorry. I’m just a bit steamed by a whole hell of a lot that is going on in this country and my mind races ahead of my fingers.

157 TedStriker  Jun 27, 2014 7:12:23am

re: #155 ObserverArt

It is my opinion. I am not a lawyer or a judge. It is just the opinion of a member of this blog. One shared by at least one other if you read all the comments.

So, my opinion has no bearing on the law.

I think I know where you are going and are going to say it is a legal ruling backed by law and the Constitution and they gave a strict ruling…obvioulsy with a 9-0 decision. I understand that.

But that does not mean that it is still not naive due to the problems that one ruling is going to cause in a whole bunch of other laws.

So, let me ask this. Could the Court have tossed it out saying that some form of protection for a patient going to a clinic is needed and toss it back into the laps of lawmakers to come up with something that will pass SCOTUS ruling and allow the law to stand until a better replacement can be drawn up?

And if anyone thinks this isn’t going to cause real problems and maybe real safety issues…then they are naive. And yes…a judge can be naive.

Again…my opinion. It has no bearing on actual law. So no need to worry about an opinion, right?

Lawhawk is who I thought you were calling naive when I made my post to you, because I think that he is making plenty sense.

158 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 27, 2014 7:13:09am

re: #140 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I singed up for it once but never lined back into it

Maybe you can write an artfully linked letter…

Something like, Kids Say the Darnedest Things.

159 Dr. Matt  Jun 27, 2014 7:13:47am

Just like the Left predicted with SYG laws would result in a wild west attitude, yesterday’s ruling to remove the 35 foot buffer zone will no doubt result in hostile conflicts and likely bloodshed .

160 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2014 7:15:05am

re: #159 Dr. Matt

Just like the Left predicted with SYG laws would result in a wild west attitude, yesterday’s ruling to remove the 35 foot buffer zone will no doubt result in hostile conflicts and likely bloodshed .

and a highly subjective redefinition of the term “good guys with guns”

161 Justanotherhuman  Jun 27, 2014 7:17:33am

So, does this decision also give “protestors” at clinics the right to trespass?

I would suggest that clinics immediately put up “No Trespassing” and “Trespassers Will Be Arrested” signs for any traffic that has no business on their grounds. Put up a gate with a security guard and don’t allow the fuckers through under any circumstances. Make arrangements for patients, if needed, to be picked up and escorted, by the facility’s vehicle, into the facility, after assuring itself that the patient is, indeed, legitimate. No way to trace any patient. Secure it tighter than Ft. Knox.

This is what it’s coming down to, I’m afraid.

162 Hal_10000  Jun 27, 2014 7:17:39am

A lot problems with Maddow’s commentary there, at least when it comes to the Coakley decision (her depiction of the radical anti-choicers is accurate). The decision specifically says that the state can restrict people where there is a threat of violence or actual violence, congestion or obstruction. Indeed, it cites the specific applicable Mass law that forbids obstruction of abortion clinics as being perfectly Constitutional. What it strikes down is a blanket 35-foot rule that applies to everyone, even people just holding signs and even at places that aren’t abortion clinics. Moreover, it was a unanimous decision which included Ruth Bader Ginsberg who, as founder of the women’s law center of the ACLU, knows a thing or two about the abortion issue.

163 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 7:18:26am

Doncha just love how the Milwaulkee “reinactors” in the video are all men.

Real manly men with beards even.

WWJD?

States Rights my ass.

164 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 7:20:30am

re: #11 Gus

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Why does God need an Army?

165 Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2014 7:21:04am

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

So, does this decision also give “protestors” at clinics the right to trespass?

I would suggest that clinics immediately put up “No Trespassing” and “Trespassers Will Be Arrested” signs for any traffic that has no business on their grounds. Put up a gate with a security guard and don’t allow the fuckers through under any circumstances. Make arrangements for patients, if needed, to be picked up and escorted, by the facility’s vehicle, into the facility, after assuring itself that the patient is, indeed, legitimate. No way to trace any patient. Secure it tighter than Ft. Knox.

This is what it’s coming down to, I’m afraid.

Pretty sad that an abortion clinic needs to embassy-level security.

166 Killgore Trout  Jun 27, 2014 7:22:04am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The limiting factor on the housing market was not so much the availability of houses as the availability of mortgage loans. The sub-prime boom let to a glut of mortgage loans being offered.

Remember all the spam that used to get sent out until 2008 for “low-cost mortgage loans”? Just tell us how much you need and how much you can afford to pay and we’ll work something out for you!

When I bought my house the neighborhood was blue collar, Next door neighbors were sheet metal workers. One of their boys married a girl whose family owned one of those home equity loan business. They took out loans for boats and new pick up trucks to haul them. Then bigger boats and bigger trucks. RV’s, ATV’s. Their toys became a problem by taking up all the street parking. They lost their house about 4 years before the meltdown. the only thing the kept was the RV which they moved into. Very sad.

167 Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2014 7:23:18am

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

So, does this decision also give “protestors” at clinics the right to trespass?

I would suggest that clinics immediately put up “No Trespassing” and “Trespassers Will Be Arrested” signs for any traffic that has no business on their grounds. Put up a gate with a security guard and don’t allow the fuckers through under any circumstances. Make arrangements for patients, if needed, to be picked up and escorted, by the facility’s vehicle, into the facility, after assuring itself that the patient is, indeed, legitimate. No way to trace any patient. Secure it tighter than Ft. Knox.

This is what it’s coming down to, I’m afraid.

Of the classical approaches to problems, you are describing the “Engineering Fix”. It is usually the most effective and reliable, but is often the most expensive in the short term. That would work for well-funded new clinic construction, not likely to work in the marginal economy of existing facilities.

168 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 7:23:24am

re: #34 Kid A

Soooo, I’m assuming these “pro-life” types will be at the front of the lines ready to adopt and/or pledge financial support to every single child that was not aborted, right?

They are fighting to Foster or Adopt the 50K+ South American Kids that have come over the border in Texas.

*spit*

169 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 7:25:04am

re: #39 Lidane

LOL no. Those psychos don’t care. And fuck the mother if she needs SNAP, or WIC, or any sort of government assistance. That slut is on her own.

I talked with a girl a few months ago that “qualified” for PP for her annual exam. She said these people need to mind their own business. She was going for her annual exam and had to endure this crap.

170 Dr. Matt  Jun 27, 2014 7:25:11am

re: #164 FemNaziBitch

Why does God need an Army?

Same reason why God needs a Starship . Duh

Youtube Video

171 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 27, 2014 7:25:24am

The old problem with the US constitution is the lack of an explicit right to privacy, which is why the sane justices once upon a time had to rely on various penumbrae and emanations of other clauses in order to derive the right to choose. All the controversies over abortion, NSA, sex between consenting adults and cases like this one stem from the lack of clear definitions in the main law. A privacy amendment seems to be long overdue.

172 Killgore Trout  Jun 27, 2014 7:26:04am

Israel names suspects in abduction of three teenagers, blames Hamas

The two Palestinian suspects, Marwan Kawasma and Amer Abu Aysha, are operatives in the Islamist militant group Hamas, Israel’s domestic security agency said. Although they have yet to provide direct proof, Israeli intelligence officials said both men remain at large and are the subjects of a manhunt in the West Bank. The two men have been arrested previously for involvement in militant activities, including obtaining materials for explosives and recruiting other Hamas operatives, the security agency said.

173 GunstarGreen  Jun 27, 2014 7:26:42am

re: #166 Killgore Trout

When I bought my house the neighborhood was blue collar, Next door neighbors were sheet metal workers. One of their boys married a girl whose family owned one of those home equity loan business. They took out loans for boats and new pick up trucks to haul them. Then bigger boats and bigger trucks. RV’s, ATV’s. Their toys became a problem by taking up all the street parking. They lost their house about 4 years before the meltdown. the only thing the kept was the RV which they moved into. Very sad.

This country has maintained the illusion of prosperity by shifting to a debt-focused economy. The only reason the peasantry (for that’s what the average American worker is now, make no mistake) haven’t revolted is because they are deluded into believing they are well-off by the illusion of ownership that debt provides. They are encouraged to by things on credit or loan, and make payments in perpetuity. If the average American family lived without debt, purchasing only that which they could afford cash-in-hand, the social relations in this country would look vastly different, and the wealth gap would never have been allowed to grow to the obscene degree that it has.

174 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2014 7:27:12am

re: #38 BeachDem

(snip)

Gotta go donate some $ to Planned Parenthood.

When I make Amazon purchases, I use the LGF Associate button.
Amazon also offers an option (Amazon SMILE Prime) where they will make a donation of .05% of the price of your eligible Amazon Prime purchases to the charity of your choice. I have chosen Planned Parenthood of Louisville.

175 Killgore Trout  Jun 27, 2014 7:29:11am

re: #173 GunstarGreen

This country has maintained the illusion of prosperity by shifting to a debt-focused economy. The only reason the peasantry (for that’s what the average American worker is now, make no mistake) haven’t revolted is because they are deluded into believing they are well-off by the illusion of ownership that debt provides. They are encouraged to by things on credit or loan, and make payments in perpetuity. If the average American family lived without debt, purchasing only that which they could afford cash-in-hand, the social relations in this country would look vastly different, and the wealth gap would never have been allowed to grow to the obscene degree that it has.

True. I even question the wisdom of car and house loans. I paid off my house about 20 years early, which I think most financial advisers would have told me not to do but it’s one of the better decisions I’ve made. I’m very glad I did it.

176 Dr. Matt  Jun 27, 2014 7:29:55am

Scalia and Kennedy both will be turning 80 during the first term of the next POTUS. I’m not a huge HIllary fan, but to swing the Court we need to make sure a Democrat is in the White House in 2017.

177 lawhawk  Jun 27, 2014 7:31:13am

re: #164 FemNaziBitch

Why does God need an Army?

The same reason he needs a spaceship. /

178 Killgore Trout  Jun 27, 2014 7:32:24am

Militants Killed in Israeli Airstrike in Gaza

Gaza Health Ministry spokesman Ashraf al-Kidra said the militants’ car was hit in an airstrike. The men were members of the Popular Resistance Committee, a militant group aligned with Gaza’s Hamas rulers that often fires rockets at Israel, he said.

Gaza militants have fired 30 rockets at Israel since the search for the teens began, including one that exploded inside Gaza killing a Palestinian girl earlier this week.

179 Dr. Matt  Jun 27, 2014 7:32:44am

re: #177 lawhawk

The same reason he needs a spaceship. /

Too slow:
:)

re: #170 Dr. Matt

Same reason why God needs a Starship . Duh

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180 GunstarGreen  Jun 27, 2014 7:34:19am

re: #175 Killgore Trout

True. I even question the wisdom of car and house loans. I paid off my house about 20 years early, which I think most financial advisers would have told me not too but it’s one of the better decisions I’ve made. I’m very glad I did it.

House and car loans are the only debt that I maintain, and the majority of my financial resources are dedicated to paying them off ASAP. It helps, of course, that as a relatively sparsely-social single nerd my costs for food and entertainment are quite low, but the plan has always been the same. Paying for my house over the full term of the 30-year mortgage would be to pay twice what it is worth, which is a substantial chunk of change. Paying it off much sooner saves a ton of money in the long run, which leads to a life of being able to do what I want with my money and never worry about being able to pay the bills.

It means I live what most Americans would consider to be an ascetic life at the moment, but that is the price of true freedom in an economy based around wage-slavery. Most people wouldn’t put up with it, and if they were made to do so instead of pretending otherwise via debt, labor relations would have been corrected a long time ago.

181 Killgore Trout  Jun 27, 2014 7:35:23am

ISIL Claims Responsibility for Lebanon Suicide Bombing

A Saudi suicide bomber killed in a raid by Lebanese security forces was part of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant group, according to a statement published on Friday that Lebanese security officials said they were taking seriously.

Three members of the security forces were wounded when they stormed Beirut’s Duroy Hotel on Wednesday and the Saudi suspect detonated his explosives, killing himself and wounding an accomplice.

182 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 7:36:14am

re: #141 lawhawk

On the one hand, yesterday’s ruling by the Supreme Court on buffer zones was calling for free speech to trump other rights, which is something that most of us agree is a core right. The problem is that the reason for the restrictions in the first place was the safety of those seeking abortions was, and remains, in doubt due to aggressive protesters and those who wish to do harm to both those seeking abortions and those who provide them.

No, the 1st amendment does not trump my right to liberty. If I cannot control my own health care, I am not free. I am either a human being or I am not.

It is time for the ERA.

183 ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2014 7:36:42am

re: #157 TedStriker

Lawhawk is who I thought you were calling naive when I made my post to you, because I think that he is making plenty sense.

I agree. Sorry for the confusion.

184 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 7:36:56am

re: #142 ObserverArt

I’m not a constitutional lawyer…but can an interpretation of HIPPA laws and personal privacy rights be used to create zones of medical privacy around all medical facilities? Therefore covering abortion clinics.

What protester has the right to assume they can protest a health decision that should be private?

Also, can a reading of separation between Church and State also be used? This is surely a church versus state issue…not a legal health clinic issue.

If you don’t like a law then protest where the laws are made. Take it to City Hall, the County Courthouse, the State Capital, the US Capital…the Supreme Court.

So make a rule that ALL protests against any health law has to be taken to where the laws are made…not where healthcare is administered.

Such laws don’t apply to poor sluts!

185 Killgore Trout  Jun 27, 2014 7:37:53am

Syrian troops advance near Lebanon border

Cut supply lines for opposition fighters as the army tightens its grip northwest of capital

186 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 7:38:09am

re: #151 Rocky-in-Connecticut

this ruling combined with Open Carry now means armed intimidation of young women is now legal in the USA.

I keep seeing the signs we now live in a de-facto Theocracy.

QFT

187 Bulworth  Jun 27, 2014 7:39:11am

re:
#180

Paying for my house over the full term of the 30-year mortgage would be to pay twice what it is worth, which is a substantial chunk of change. Paying it off much sooner saves a ton of money in the long run

“Yeah, but, but, but, TAX advantages!!!!!11”

188 Bulworth  Jun 27, 2014 7:41:06am

On Twitter, Instapundit, who’s never been wrong about anything, is derping something about Obamacare being doomed.

Really.

Not clicking on whatever he’s linking to.

189 Killgore Trout  Jun 27, 2014 7:42:58am

re: #187 Bulworth

re:
#180

“Yeah, but, but, but, TAX advantages!!!!!11”

There are also formulas that will tell you (depending on your interest rate) that your money is better spent investing in stocks than paying off your loan. Meh.

190 Dr. Matt  Jun 27, 2014 7:44:54am

re: #188 Bulworth

On Twitter, Instapundit, who’s never been wrong about anything, is derping something about Obamacare being doomed.

Really.

Not clicking on whatever he’s linking to.

I’m guessing something is on Drudge or Teh Blaze about O-Care.

191 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 7:45:24am

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

toady

PRONUNCIATION:
(TOH-dee)

MEANING:
noun: A person who flatters or tries to please someone to gain favor.
verb intr.: To behave as a toady.

ETYMOLOGY:
From shortening of toad-eater. In times past, a quack employed an assistant who ate (or pretended to eat) a poisonous toad and was supposedly cured by the quack’s medicine. From there the word extended to a person who would do anything to curry favor. Earliest documented use: 1827.

USAGE:
“Klein and the rest of Mission Control want a bunch of yes men and toadies.”
Martin Shoemaker; Murder on the Aldrin Express; Analog Science Fiction & Fact (New York); Sep 2013.

See more usage examples of toady in vocabulary.com’s dictionary.

192 sattv4u2  Jun 27, 2014 7:46:49am

re: #191 FemNaziBitch

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

I prefer Toddy

As in HOT

193 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 7:49:24am

Weather and allergies seem to be mild today.

I’m not sure I believe it.

194 Dr. Matt  Jun 27, 2014 7:49:35am

Don’t shred on me: TX music lovers mock gun enthusiasts with Open Carry Guitar Rally

Music lovers plan to exercise their right to openly carry guitars at a July 4 rally in Texas.

“This is my sense of humor,” said event organizer Barry Kooda, a musician who’s played for years around Austin. “I have a larger following than I’d like because I’m just the local yokel.”

Kooda suggested the rally on Facebook as a light-hearted response to gun-rights activists openly carrying firearms around Texas and elsewhere, photographing themselves inside national retail and restaurant chains to suggest corporate endorsement.

“I’m not anti-gun at all,” the musician told KTVT-TV. “I’m a fifth-generation Texas veteran. I have guns, (but) leave them at home. You have rights — you just don’t have to express them all the time in people’s faces.”

195 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 7:49:36am

One other thing about “consensual counseling sessions” on the sidewalk:

If people are having an honestly “consensual” counseling session, they should really move the fuck off the sidewalk because they are blocking people who are using the sidewalk to, you know, walk someplace.

196 sattv4u2  Jun 27, 2014 7:51:02am

re: #193 FemNaziBitch

Weather and allergies seem to be mild today.

I’m not sure I believe it.

Yeah. Those “numbers” hit different people with the exact same allergies different ways

On some days that are the highest here, I barely have a sniffle
On other days that are supposed to be low counts I sneeze and am congested for hours on end

197 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 7:58:18am

Having to walk the gauntlet for a PAP test an Breast Exam.

198 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2014 7:58:41am

re: #196 sattv4u2

Yeah. Those “numbers” hit different people with the exact same allergies different ways

On some days that are the highest here, I barely have a sniffle
On other days that are supposed to be low counts I sneeze and am congested for hours on end

does that have to do with relative humidity or your own personal level of sensitivity?

199 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 27, 2014 8:00:11am

re: #197 FemNaziBitch

I can picture a woman just putting both arms out and bitch-slapping the lot of them as she walks past them…

200 sattv4u2  Jun 27, 2014 8:00:38am

re: #198 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

does that have to do with relative humidity or your own personal level of sensitivity?

Probably a little of each, although my allergies were MUCH worse when I lived in Boston, especially when we would vacation on a little island off the coast of Portland Maine where the humidity was a lot lower than in Boston and especially much MUCH lower than down here in Georgia

201 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:01:57am

yup

202 iossarian  Jun 27, 2014 8:03:15am

re: #197 FemNaziBitch

Fundies. If only they’d all fuck off to some godforsaken continent where they can burn witches and abuse their children, and leave the rest of us in peace.

Wait a minute, I just described England circa 1500!

203 Justanotherhuman  Jun 27, 2014 8:03:47am

re: #165 Timothy Watson

Pretty sad that an abortion clinic needs to embassy-level security.

Pretty sad that women need that level of protection to exercise their rights.

204 Justanotherhuman  Jun 27, 2014 8:04:41am

re: #201 FemNaziBitch

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yup

Yes, the hypocrisy and sanctimony is stunning about marijuana.

205 iossarian  Jun 27, 2014 8:04:49am

re: #203 Justanotherhuman

Pretty sad that women need that level of protection to exercise their rights.

Pretty sad that “going to see the doctor” has to be even discussed and articulated as a “right”, as opposed to, you know, something you just do.

206 iossarian  Jun 27, 2014 8:05:55am

Hey, I feel a headache coming on.

Maybe I’d better check with the Supreme Court, just to make sure this aspirin is legit.

207 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 27, 2014 8:06:09am

WTFITS

Mexican military chopper crosses the border, shoots at agents

TUCSON - News 4 Tucson has learned a Mexican military helicopter travelled across the border and fired on U.S. Border Patrol agents.

It happened in the early morning hours Thursday, west of the San Miguel Gate on the Tohono O’Odham Nation. The chopper fired on the agents but missed them. The chopper then flew back into Mexico. We’re told Mexican authorities contacted the U.S. and apologized for the incident.

208 Alyosha  Jun 27, 2014 8:06:14am

I don’t understand the mentality of people whose supposed dedication to the ‘sanctity of life’ argument leads them to commit and rationalise murder. I can understand the passion of the anti-choice argument on a coldly intellectual level, because if you believe that abortion is literally the slaughter of babies it cannot be defended. However, this assumes the premise is correct.

Firstly, no woman outside of the straw universe gets pregnant with the sole object of terminating. Abortion isn’t a pleasant prospect for any person faced with the choice and the moral turmoil that any woman goes through, even considering it as an option isn’t something to be addressed in the black and white terms abolitionists use.

Secondly, the argument against legal abortion does not seek to bolster the assumed morality of its own position by advocating legislation that reduces the prevalence of unwanted pregnancies like comprehensive sex ed in school, making contraceptives more affordable an easy to obtain, and ensuring family planning orgs receive adequate funding.

Thirdly, the aim of the ‘pro-life’ movement being the abolition of abortion regardless of mitigating circumstances (ie rape, incest etc) will not end the practice. Rather, as all informed people know, it merely drives the service underground, exposing patients to incredibly risky procedures that too often result in death. If this is not a direct refutation of the anti-choice movement’s desired mantle of ‘pro-life’, it is only because those who agitate to protect the reproductive rights of women and those who require abortions are not considered to possess lives worth saving.

I could go on, but I’ll round off an otherwise dry comment with a bit of apt name-calling. Anti-choicers are creepy extremist idiots and some of their number are terrorists as well.

209 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:07:27am

210 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:08:04am

re: #206 iossarian

Hey, I feel a headache coming on.

Maybe I’d better check with the Supreme Court, just to make sure this aspirin is legit.

Only for her headaches!

:0

211 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 8:08:55am

re: #210 FemNaziBitch

Only for her headaches!

:0

Aspirins are supposed to be held between the knees, for birth control.

212 iossarian  Jun 27, 2014 8:09:24am

re: #210 FemNaziBitch

Only for her headaches!

:0

“Not tonight, honey, I have a headache.”

“THE SUPREME COURT SAYS NO HEADACHES FOR YOU”

213 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:09:27am

re: #208 Alyosha

I don’t understand the mentality of people whose supposed dedication to the ‘sanctity of life’ argument leads them to commit and rationalise murder. I can understand the passion of the anti-choice argument on a coldly intellectual level, because if you believe that abortion is literally the slaughter of babies it cannot be defended. However, this assumes the premise is correct.

Firstly, no woman outside of the straw universe gets pregnant with the sole object of terminating. Abortion isn’t a pleasant prospect for any person faced with the choice and the moral turmoil that any woman goes through, even considering it as an option isn’t something to be addressed in the black and white terms abolitionists use.

Secondly, the argument against legal abortion does not seek to bolster the assumed morality of its own position by advocating legislation that reduces the prevalence of unwanted pregnancies like comprehensive sex ed in school, making contraceptives more affordable an easy to obtain, and ensuring family planning orgs receive adequate funding.

Thirdly, the aim of the ‘pro-life’ movement being the abolition of abortion regardless of mitigating circumstances (ie rape, incest etc) will not end the practice. Rather, as all informed people know, it merely drives the service underground, exposing patients to incredibly risky procedures that too often result in death. If this is not a direct refutation of the anti-choice movement’s desired mantle of ‘pro-life’, it is only because those who agitate to protect the reproductive rights of women and those who require abortions are not considered to possess lives worth saving.

I could go on, but I’ll round off an otherwise dry comment with a bit of apt name-calling. Anti-choicers are creepy extremist idiots and some of their number are terrorists as well.

Well stated!

I’ve learned that there is no logic when it comes to sex. People are too wiggy about it and I blame St. Augustine.

214 Killgore Trout  Jun 27, 2014 8:09:45am

re: #201 FemNaziBitch

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yup

That’s not too far off. The Portland back yard growers are talking about the same thing. Portland weed prices have always been dirt cheap since so many people around here grow their own. Some of the older growers still sell some of their surplus but the younger guys don’t bother since there’s not enough money in it. Just not worth the hassle. But soon large scale companies are going to drive down prices so much that it won’t be worth the effort for small scale individual growers.

215 Justanotherhuman  Jun 27, 2014 8:11:16am

Good grief, I ought to be able to grow a weed in my garden if I want to without any hassle. : )

216 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:11:33am

I remember being rather young (maybe 5th grade) and noticing that we have fortresses as homes for our money and buildings that can could be cut thru with a box cutter for people.

I’ve been trying to reconcile that ever since.

217 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:11:54am

re: #215 Justanotherhuman

Good grief, I ought to be able to grow a weed in my garden if I want to without any hassle. : )

depends on the Weed.

218 Killgore Trout  Jun 27, 2014 8:12:26am

Fact Check: Are Syrian opposition fighters ‘former farmers or teachers or pharmacists’?

The president is being misleading when he describes the Syrian opposition in purely civilian terms without acknowledging that a substantial portion of the fighters are actually ex-military personnel. Clearly there is a civilian component and training - and weapons —are necessary to forge an effective force, especially one that has the capability to achieve more than just tactical victories. But the fighters are certainly much more than “former farmers or teachers or pharmacists.”
Three Pinocchios

219 Justanotherhuman  Jun 27, 2014 8:13:13am

re: #217 FemNaziBitch

depends on the Weed.

No one ever came after me for growing Foxglove. : )

221 blueraven  Jun 27, 2014 8:13:54am

re: #207 NJDhockeyfan

WTFITS

Mexican military chopper crosses the border, shoots at agents

Appears to have been an accident while chasing drug smugglers.

Early this morning, a Mexican law enforcement helicopter crossed approximately 100 yards north into Arizona nearly 8 miles southwest of the Village of San Miguel on the Tohono O’odham Indian Nation while on a drug interdiction operation near the border. Two shots were fired from the helicopter but no injuries or damage to US property were reported. The incident is currently under investigation.

222 Killgore Trout  Jun 27, 2014 8:14:32am

re: #219 Justanotherhuman

No one ever came after me for growing Foxglove. : )

Whole foods sells a handfull of dandelion leaves to 8 bucks. I’m rich!

223 Justanotherhuman  Jun 27, 2014 8:15:00am

Where are the young fathers, though?

224 Ian G.  Jun 27, 2014 8:17:07am

re: #223 Justanotherhuman

Where are the young fathers, though?

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Can’t be bothered.

Ever notice how right-wing nutjob rhetoric never mentions the responsibility of, you know, men in unplanned pregnancies? It’s always some slut acting on her own and 100% her fault.

225 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 8:17:13am

Ugh. I am getting a bunch of telemarketing calls on my cell phone. The “Do Not Call” list is broken.

Fortunately my Android has a feature to block unwanted numbers, but they just keep using new numbers, like spammers.

226 Eventual Carrion  Jun 27, 2014 8:17:13am

re: #89 Lidane

I left in 1998 and don’t miss it at all. Sure, I miss the friends I have there but we keep up on Facebook and at some point I’ll go back to hang with them again, but living there? Not a chance in hell. No way.

I would have hated to be there during Ike. I remember being there with Hurricane Alicia and that was bad enough. I can’t even imagine how bad it was with Ike.

I was there for Alicia also. Did a number to downtown. Inlaws lost power for almost 5 days, my apt complex didn’t lose power at all.

227 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:17:45am

?????????

228 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:18:31am

re: #224 Ian G.

Can’t be bothered.

Ever notice how right-wing nutjob rhetoric never mentions the responsibility of, you know, men in unplanned pregnancies? It’s always some slut acting on her own and 100% her fault.

A lot like the fundie muslims at whom they are so fast to point a finger.

229 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:19:40am
230 piratedan  Jun 27, 2014 8:19:56am

re: #207 NJDhockeyfan

WE SENT A FULLY WEAPONIZED MARINE, THEY SENT A CHOPPER, IT’S THE CHICAGO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ///////////////

231 ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2014 8:20:37am

re: #204 Justanotherhuman

Yes, the hypocrisy and sanctimony is stunning about marijuana.

I think that should read…the hypocrisy and sanctimony is stunning about drug laws.

And alcohol, nicotine and caffeine are drugs too!

232 iossarian  Jun 27, 2014 8:20:55am

re: #213 FemNaziBitch

Well stated!

I’ve learned that there is no logic when it comes to sex. People are too wiggy about it and I blame St. Augustine.

Yeah, that slippery bastard and his divisive views on the Trinity!

233 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2014 8:21:30am

re: #214 Killgore Trout

That’s not too far off. The Portland back yard growers are talking about the same thing. Portland weed prices have always been dirt cheap since so many people around here grow their own. Some of the older growers still sell some of their surplus but the younger guys don’t bother since there’s not enough money in it. Just not worth the hassle. But soon large scale companies are going to drive down prices so much that it won’t be worth the effort for small scale individual growers.

The economics are going to be interesting to watch. I recall an old urban legend from when I lived up there near Portland; namely, Philip Morris had a patent design ready to go for a tailor-made joint with a filter, just like a regular cigarette, and even had gone so far as to create packaging for it, should marijuana become fully legal in the US.

I heard that well over 20 years ago, so that particular urban legend was likely floating around well before that.

234 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:22:24am
235 Killgore Trout  Jun 27, 2014 8:22:54am

re: #233 Dr Lizardo

The economics are going to be interesting to watch. I recall an old urban legend from when I lived up there near Portland; namely, Philip Morris had a patent design ready to go for a tailor-made joint with a filter, just like a regular cigarette, and even had gone so far as to create packaging for it, should marijuana become fully legal in the US.

I heard that well over 20 years ago, so that particular urban legend was likely floating around well before that.

That sounds familiar, I think that one is still in circulation.

236 Justanotherhuman  Jun 27, 2014 8:24:46am

I started watching “The Killing” the other night; not finished with Season 1 yet, but I am loving this show. Mireille Enos, who I think is terrific in the role of the lead detective, is the same actor I panned in World War Z. I wanted to shake her character in that one. I woke up very early this am and watched 4 more episodes before the munchkin woke up and I had to quit. : )

Has anyone else seen it? I loved the location, the darkish, very contemporary mood, the characters who seem very ordinary. I’ve read that Season 2 is even better.

237 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:25:45am

re: #236 Justanotherhuman

I started watching “The Killing” the other night; not finished with Season 1 yet, but I am loving this show. Mireille Enos, who I think is terrific in the role of the lead detective, is the same actor I panned in World War Z. I wanted to shake her character in that one. I woke up very early this am and watched 4 more episodes before the munchkin woke up and I had to quit. : )

Has anyone else seen it? I loved the location, the darkish, very contemporary mood, the characters who seem very ordinary. I’ve read that Season 2 is even better.

No, been watching the B Sci-Fi movies on Netflix and Hulu.

238 lawhawk  Jun 27, 2014 8:26:00am

re: #225 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s okay, I got a string of calls the other day from the “IRS” claiming that arrests would be forthcoming unless I called and paid balance due (which would be hard since I know I don’t owe taxes and have a tax preparer who would get any correspondence indicating any issues with my returns as well).

It was a scam, and a search of that particular phone number indicated that it’s a scam line that many others have reported as well.

The IRS does not contact anyone through a phone call; they will submit all requests by mail.

If you know you don’t owe taxes or have no reason to think that you owe any taxes (for example, you’ve never received a bill or the caller made some bogus threats as described above), then call and report the incident to the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration at 1.800.366.4484.

239 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2014 8:26:23am

re: #235 Killgore Trout

That sounds familiar, I think that one is still in circulation.

That wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest; strangely, I’ve never heard any of the other tobacco companies ever mentioned. It’s always Philip Morris, and you would expect that as an urban legend evolves over time, that someone might have used British/American Tobacco or RJ Reynolds or something, but it never changes. It’s surprisingly consistent for an urban legend.

240 sattv4u2  Jun 27, 2014 8:27:07am

re: #233 Dr Lizardo

re: #235 Killgore Trout

This guy wouldn’t have been yelling so much if he had just mellowed out with a few tokes

Youtube Video

241 Justanotherhuman  Jun 27, 2014 8:27:30am

re: #231 ObserverArt

I think that should read…the hypocrisy and sanctimony is stunning about drug laws.

And alcohol, nicotine and caffeine are drugs too!

Yeah, but who makes those laws?

242 Alyosha  Jun 27, 2014 8:28:04am

I had a work colleague tell me in strident terms a week ago that thieves ought to have a finger taken off for their first offense and a hand taken for their second. I favoured this comment with a dismissive laugh as the bloke is a bit of an unvarnished sod and a bit of a brute besides (if his own personal mythos is to be believed).

This week he told me not one, but two stories in which he stole items of value, once from his then place of work.

I was about to ask him to reconcile his earlier view with his new revelations but desiring a harmonious atmosphere at work, decided against it.

243 Alyosha  Jun 27, 2014 8:30:08am

re: #242 Alyosha

Totally OT but I couldn’t think of an audience better acquainted with cognitive dissonance.

244 blueraven  Jun 27, 2014 8:30:32am

re: #218 Killgore Trout

Fact Check: Are Syrian opposition fighters ‘former farmers or teachers or pharmacists’?

That is just fucking stupid

what the president said:

“Oftentimes, the challenge is if you have former farmers or teachers or pharmacists who now are taking up opposition against a battle-hardened regime, with support from external actors that have a lot at stake, how quickly can you get them trained; how effective are you able to mobilize them.”

“When you talk about the moderate opposition, many of these people were farmers or dentists or maybe some radio reporters who didn’t have a lot of experience fighting.”

WP admits this:

“While it is true that a significant portion of the Free Syrian Army is composed of local civilians who picked up arms to protect their homes and villages from the Assad regime, there are also several thousand former officers and soldiers in the Syrian Army who defected to the FSA

Yet they award three Pinocchios
right!

245 Alyosha  Jun 27, 2014 8:31:34am

re: #229 FemNaziBitch

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Santorum Cruz 2016

246 Joanne  Jun 27, 2014 8:35:18am

re: #203 Justanotherhuman

Pretty sad that women need that level of protection to exercise their rights.

Their current rights. I fully expect that those rights will not be around for long.

247 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:35:44am

re: #245 Alyosha

Santorum Cruz 2016

*wretch*

248 allegro  Jun 27, 2014 8:35:59am

re: #244 blueraven

That is just fucking stupid

what the president said:

WP admits this:

Yet they award three Pinocchios
right!

That’s because he said “many” not “a significant portion.” That makes it a mostly lie. Really. It does!

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249 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:36:21am

re: #246 Joanne

Their current rights. I fully expect that those rights will not be around for long.

women don’t need healthcare, their lady parts do everything for them

250 CuriousLurker  Jun 27, 2014 8:37:13am

re: #236 Justanotherhuman

I started watching “The Killing” the other night; not finished with Season 1 yet, but I am loving this show. Mireille Enos, who I think is terrific in the role of the lead detective, is the same actor I panned in World War Z. I wanted to shake her character in that one. I woke up very early this am and watched 4 more episodes before the munchkin woke up and I had to quit. : )

Has anyone else seen it? I loved the location, the darkish, very contemporary mood, the characters who seem very ordinary. I’ve read that Season 2 is even better.

I’ve watched all 3 seasons—love it. I don’t watch zombie movies and I’ve never seen Mireille Enos in anything else (AFAIK), but I agree she’s terrific. Ditto for the moody atmospheric visuals. I can hardly wait for the 4th (final) season on Netflix. Hard to believe it got cancelled twice previously.

251 Alyosha  Jun 27, 2014 8:38:13am

re: #247 FemNaziBitch

*wretch*

At the very least it guarantees a Democratic POTUS until 2020.

252 iossarian  Jun 27, 2014 8:40:13am

re: #247 FemNaziBitch

*wretch*

Spelling Nazi says *retch* at your use of *wretch*.

253 Alyosha  Jun 27, 2014 8:41:26am

re: #252 iossarian

Spelling Nazi says *retch* at your use of *wretch*.

Or, alternately *wretches*

254 iossarian  Jun 27, 2014 8:43:05am

re: #253 Alyosha

Or, alternately *wretches*

Those greasy bastards are too well-fed to be considered wretches.

255 Alyosha  Jun 27, 2014 8:44:34am

re: #254 iossarian

Those greasy bastards are too well-fed to be considered wretches.

They’re malnourished in many other ways.

256 Joanne  Jun 27, 2014 8:44:41am

Oy.

Two GOP Congressmen Propose $1M Bounty for Lost IRS Lois Lerner Emails

Gohmert! Why am I not surprised?

257 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:46:27am

/hōst/ noun: an animal or plant on or in which a parasite or commensal organism lives.

The Republican Rape Hall of Shame is included in this link.

258 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 8:46:34am

re: #256 Joanne

Oy.

Two GOP Congressmen Propose $1M Bounty for Lost IRS Lois Lerner Emails

Gohmert! Why am I not surprised?

Is Donald Trump putting up the cash?

259 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:46:55am

260 lawhawk  Jun 27, 2014 8:46:59am
262 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:47:38am
263 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 8:48:24am
264 Joanne  Jun 27, 2014 8:48:43am

re: #258 Pie-onist Overlord

Is Donald Trump putting up the cash?

Oh, I’m sure it is you and I putting up the cashola…just like we put up the cash for 50 votes to overturn Obamacare, multiple hearings and investigations on Benghazi, et al, ad nauseum.

265 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:50:13am

I WAS thinking this just last night as I was pondering the unravelling of our society due to PTSD.

Mental Illness is often as contagious as influenza

266 Alyosha  Jun 27, 2014 8:50:56am

re: #263 Pie-onist Overlord

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Their definition of ‘consent’ is… macabre.

267 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 27, 2014 8:51:19am

re: #54 Killgore Trout

littlegreenfootballs.com

268 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 27, 2014 8:51:51am

re: #76 Killgore Trout

littlegreenfootballs.com

269 allegro  Jun 27, 2014 8:52:35am

re: #250 CuriousLurker

I’ve watched all 3 seasons—love it. I don’t watch zombie movies and I’ve never seen Mireille Enos in anything else (AFAIK), but I agree she’s terrific. Ditto for the moody atmospheric visuals. I can hardly wait for the 4th (final) season on Netflix. Hard to believe it got cancelled twice previously.

Agreed as well. I’m pleased to hear that it’s been uncancelled again. I really enjoy seeing a believable woman in the role, as in not-a-supermodel with perfect make-up and freshly brushed hair. Love Enos and love the character.

I just finished watching the second season of Copper on Netflix. I liked the first season better mostly because they seemed to up the questionably gratuitous violence (of which there was already plenty) in season 2. It’s still a very interesting premise dealing with an historical time (1864-65) from a NYC Irish perspective.

270 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 27, 2014 8:52:37am

re: #172 Killgore Trout

littlegreenfootballs.com

271 sagehen  Jun 27, 2014 8:52:46am

re: #221 blueraven

Appears to have been an accident while chasing drug smugglers.

There was a “West Wing” episode where we accidentally invaded Canada across the border in Montana.

Nat’l Security Advisor to senior agent on the ground: “Have shots been fired?”

DFW: “Yes, but there were geese in the air.”

**

Chief of Staff: “We have a contingency plan to invade Canada?”
NSA: “Yes, written 1814, revised 1823. The calligraphy is beautiful.”

272 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:55:07am

re: #261 Timothy Watson

Ben Carson Explains How Gay Marriage Is A Marxist Plot To Impose The ‘New World Order’

It must suck to work hard to get to the top of the mountain then to find the paradigm has changed because you have a new perspective at the time and you find that your mountain is just a hill.

273 sagehen  Jun 27, 2014 8:55:49am

re: #236 Justanotherhuman

I started watching “The Killing” the other night; not finished with Season 1 yet, but I am loving this show. Mireille Enos, who I think is terrific in the role of the lead detective, is the same actor I panned in World War Z. I wanted to shake her character in that one. I woke up very early this am and watched 4 more episodes before the munchkin woke up and I had to quit. : )

Has anyone else seen it? I loved the location, the darkish, very contemporary mood, the characters who seem very ordinary. I’ve read that Season 2 is even better.

The American version or the original Swedish?

274 sattv4u2  Jun 27, 2014 8:56:55am

re: #267 GlutenFreeJesus

re: #268 GlutenFreeJesus

re: #270 GlutenFreeJesus

Okay. Umm,,,,,,,, huh !?!?!?!?!?!?!?

275 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:56:57am

re: #252 iossarian

Spelling Nazi says *retch* at your use of *wretch*.

I’ve always thought the “w” added a better sound to the word. More like the meaning …

276 iossarian  Jun 27, 2014 8:58:01am

re: #275 FemNaziBitch

I’ve always thought the “w” added a better sound to the word. More like the meaning …

I prefer metaphor: “technicolor yawn” has always done it for me.

277 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:58:51am
278 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 8:59:41am
279 Bulworth  Jun 27, 2014 8:59:45am

re:
#261

Of course. It’s not gay people themselves, who want to marry the ones they love. It’s a Marxist plot. To undermine and divide Amercia. Which is what Obamacare is, too. A Marxist plot to divide and destroy America. Marxism. Question is, who’s running the Marxist Plots these days? Can’t be Soviet secret agents anymore. Maybe Glenn Beck can tell us. I’m sure he knows.

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280 Stanley Sea  Jun 27, 2014 9:00:36am

Kids Sword Fight With Giant Dildos in Amazing Gun Safety PSA

gawker.com

281 Bulworth  Jun 27, 2014 9:00:45am

re:
#272

Indeed.

282 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 9:00:51am

Ben is such a douchenozzle he makes me ashamed to be a Juice.

283 Bulworth  Jun 27, 2014 9:02:29am

re:
#282

No, Ben, no one is calling you names. Or violating your rights.

Sheesh.

284 1Peter G1  Jun 27, 2014 9:04:15am

This is a very large change in doctrine and the implications are frightening. The right of free speech has heretofore never carried with it the duty to be compelled to listen. I warned about this elsewhere on other issues. The protesters who insist at every gathering of the G8 that they have some inherent right to blow by security so they can let the Prime Minister of Japan or the Chancellor of Germany know how they feel in person demand the same right as anti-abortion protesters. The principle is exactly the same, they feel their right of free speech includes the right to compel particular people to listen. I wonder how the SCOTUS judges would feel about having to transit an entrance to their workplace where anyone who wanted to had the right to be within touching range so they too could offer their personal opinions about jurisprudence. I suspect they would find that very frightening indeed.

285 Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2014 9:04:22am
286 CuriousLurker  Jun 27, 2014 9:06:02am

re: #269 allegro

Agreed as well. I’m pleased to hear that it’s been uncancelled again. I really enjoy seeing a believable woman in the role, as in not-a-supermodel with perfect make-up and freshly brushed hair. Love Enos and love the character.

Exactly, she feels real

I just finished watching the second season of Copper on Netflix. I liked the first season better mostly because they seemed to up the questionably gratuitous violence (of which there was already plenty) in season 2. It’s still a very interesting premise dealing with an historical time (1864-65) from a NYC Irish perspective.

OMG, the 2nd season of Cooper is available?? Eeeek—I didn’t realize that—thank you! I loved season 1.

287 Bulworth  Jun 27, 2014 9:07:16am

re:
#261

In his keynote speech at the National Organization for Marriage’s March for Marriage gala last week, Dr. Ben Carson

By “gala” I think RW Watch meant to say “poorly attended, boorish ‘march’, where NOM, after months of preparations and exhortations to the faithful, couldn’t get more than a couple busloads of tourists to attend.”

288 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 9:07:27am

re: #286 CuriousLurker

Exactly, she feels real

OMG, the 2nd season of Cooper is available?? Eeeek—I didn’t realize that—thank you! I loved season 1.

I never heard of that show, is that something like Gangs of New York?

289 CuriousLurker  Jun 27, 2014 9:07:58am

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

Left you a comment & workaround on your Page (the link isn’t working).

290 CuriousLurker  Jun 27, 2014 9:09:43am

re: #288 Pie-onist Overlord

I never heard of that show, is that something like Gangs of New York?

I never saw Gangs of New York, but it’s around the same time frame. NYC was totally crazy pants back in the day. Still is is some ways. heh.

291 Lidane  Jun 27, 2014 9:10:04am

re: #285 Charles Johnson

Not surprising, considering the last “pro-life” bill in this state (i.e., the one Wendy Davis worked her ass off to filibuster) essentially destroyed the constitutional rights of women at the border.

Expect to see a huge black market in these drugs as long as the GOP keeps pandering to these forced birth lunatics.

292 Joanne  Jun 27, 2014 9:11:21am

re: #284 1Peter G1

This is a very large change in doctrine and the implications are frightening. The right of free speech has heretofore never carried with it the duty to be compelled to listen. I warned about this elsewhere on other issues. The protesters who insist at every gathering of the G8 that they have some inherent right to blow by security so they can let the Prime Minister of Japan or the Chancellor of Germany know how they feel in person demand the same right as anti-abortion protesters. The principle is exactly the same, they feel their right of free speech includes the right to compel particular people to listen. I wonder how the SCOTUS judges would feel about having to transit an entrance to their workplace where anyone who wanted to had the right to be within touching range so they too could offer their personal opinions about jurisprudence. I suspect they would find that very frightening indeed.

Exactly. But the powers who be (whether it is a SC justice or a Prime Minister/Chancellor) never have to deal with this kind of harassment, because they have those safety zones surrounding them. Regular people, and in this case, women who are walking into a clinic for who knows what reason, do not.

293 Alyosha  Jun 27, 2014 9:11:46am

Just listened to the Realtime podcast featuring Greenwald the Magnificent.

Put it off because he was a guest.

Can forbearance feel vindication when curiosity overrules it?

294 Lidane  Jun 27, 2014 9:12:49am

Wow:

295 Killgore Trout  Jun 27, 2014 9:13:04am

re: #274 sattv4u2

Okay. Umm,,,,,,,, huh !?!?!?!?!?!?!?

It’s the new thing, Just spamming the same link over and over.

296 Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2014 9:14:31am

This stalker uses my name. Oh no, nothing mentally ill about that.

297 Lidane  Jun 27, 2014 9:15:10am
298 sagehen  Jun 27, 2014 9:16:25am

re: #288 Pie-onist Overlord

I never heard of that show, is that something like Gangs of New York?

Copper is a BBCAmerica show; set in late Civil War NYC, the 13th Amendment hasn’t yet been passed (Lincoln’s reelection and assassination happen in season 2), the lead is a veteran who now works for the nascent NYPD. Central Park hasn’t yet been landscaped, Robert Moses hasn’t built any of his grand public works, the Draft Riots are still a fresh memory…

299 Joanne  Jun 27, 2014 9:16:36am

re: #297 Lidane

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Talk about reaping what you sow.

300 Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2014 9:17:03am

re: #294 Lidane

Wow:

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Politics is all fun and games until somebody blows his head off. RIP.

301 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:17:53am

re: #285 Charles Johnson

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And deaths from such are never listed as “complication from Illegal abortion”, so it never shows up on CDC stats.

302 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:18:22am

re: #289 CuriousLurker

Left you a comment & workaround on your Page (the link isn’t working).

You are so kewl!

303 Gus  Jun 27, 2014 9:18:54am

Rachel Maddow tends to cause outrage in RWNJs and classical liberals.

304 Bulworth  Jun 27, 2014 9:19:32am

re:
#297

Hmm, I wouldn’t have thought Michelle still had much following amidst the rabid faithful. Maybe it’s just the principle of thing—Fox hosts and radio talk shows can’t say anything bad about any GOPer teabagger.

RINO’s like conservative Senator Thad Cochran are another story, of course. //

305 Justanotherhuman  Jun 27, 2014 9:19:57am

re: #273 sagehen

The American version or the original Swedish?

The American version, which I’m told, is better than the Swedish Danish.

Veena Sud, writer and executive producer, has a great future ahead of her.

en.wikipedia.org

306 Joanne  Jun 27, 2014 9:20:23am

re: #288 Pie-onist Overlord

I never heard of that show, is that something like Gangs of New York?

Kinda sorta but much, much better. :-)

307 Bulworth  Jun 27, 2014 9:20:31am

re:
#300

Yup. Terrible.

308 Alyosha  Jun 27, 2014 9:21:55am

re: #301 FemNaziBitch

And deaths from such are never listed as “complication from Illegal abortion”, so it never shows up on CDC stats.

Seriously? You’d have to imagine that stats like that could only have been prevented from entering databases by specific legislation. I’d otherwise have thought the CDC would have to operate in an evidence-based world given the responsibility with which they’re charged.

309 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 9:24:33am

re: #298 sagehen

Copper is a BBCAmerica show; set in late Civil War NYC, the 13th Amendment hasn’t yet been passed (Lincoln’s reelection and assassination happen in season 2), the lead is a veteran who now works for the nascent NYPD. Central Park hasn’t yet been landscaped, Robert Moses hasn’t built any of his grand public works, the Draft Riots are still a fresh memory…

I so have to watch that.

310 CuriousLurker  Jun 27, 2014 9:24:56am

re: #297 Lidane

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Outrage!

311 CriticalDragon1177  Jun 27, 2014 9:25:37am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

312 Gus  Jun 27, 2014 9:26:04am

re: #310 CuriousLurker

Outrage!

Both sides do it!

313 Joanne  Jun 27, 2014 9:26:43am

re: #304 Bulworth

re:
#297

Hmm, I wouldn’t have thought Michelle still had much following amidst the rabid faithful. Maybe it’s just the principle of thing—Fox hosts and radio talk shows can’t say anything bad about any GOPer teabagger.

RINO’s like conservative Senator Thad Cochran are another story, of course. //

I think it is much deeper. Fox realizes that what they helped create is destroying their beloved GOP. The Tea Party is a loose coalition of very unhinged, but vocal - as well as a big base voting block - and they have fully infested the GOP, making mainstream America view them as they are; crazy.

The people who watch Fox are comprised of a lot of that base. And now, the base is pissed because Fox is becoming liberal (at worst), Establishment GOP (at best), and they do not like it one bit. Fox is supposed to be chomping-at-the-bit crazy to say anything negative they can about any Democrat - bar none. Greta talking about the insanity of the lost IRS emails, years before the investigation, Cavuto on Bachmann and a host of other small things, that the baggers notice.

And they do not like it one bit.

314 CriticalDragon1177  Jun 27, 2014 9:26:54am

re: #303 Gus

Rachel Maddow tends to cause outrage in RWNJs and classical liberals.

and so does just about every famous progressive!

315 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:27:41am
316 Joanne  Jun 27, 2014 9:28:15am

re: #314 CriticalDragon1177

and so does just about every famous progressive!

Or anyone to the left of Attila the Hun.

317 sattv4u2  Jun 27, 2014 9:28:41am

re: #295 Killgore Trout

It’s the new thing, Just spamming the same link over and over.

Yeah, but it didn’t have anything to do with any of the comments responded too

hence the ,, !?!?!?!?!?

318 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:28:51am
319 Lidane  Jun 27, 2014 9:30:47am

re: #300 Decatur Deb

Politics is all fun and games until somebody blows his head off. RIP.

Oh, but it’s a conspiracy, don’tcha know:

** “WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE??” **
—

Where was Haley Barbour?
—

My, my my.

Who knew Chicago style politics could evolve south to little ol’ Mississippi?
—

Very convenient. I don’t believe in coincidences.
—

Memories of the Clinton Body Count.
—

I bet their are some Dixie mobsters that can give him an alibi.
—

Odd the Chief of Police says it is being investigated as a suicide. In most places when a suspicious death occurs, it is treated as a homicide investigation until sufficient evidence rules otherwise.
—

I agree that could very well be the case, but there could also be a more sinister thing at work here. Could be this man was sought out and groomed by a plant at a Tea party meeting, giving him this bad idea and then burning him when he unwisely carried it out.

If he truly did blow his opwn brains out theat is one thing, if there are anomolies then one has to wonder.

320 Bulworth  Jun 27, 2014 9:31:11am

Apparently Obama is speeching, which means the village media is going to be reaching for its fainting couches and pearls.

321 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 27, 2014 9:31:39am

re: #274 sattv4u2

Okay. Umm,,,,,,,, huh !?!?!?!?!?!?!?

KTs trolling is berree suited for Pages.

322 Justanotherhuman  Jun 27, 2014 9:33:03am

re: #320 Bulworth

Apparently Obama is speeching, which means the village media is going to be reaching for its fainting couches and pearls.

Oh yeah…

President Obama on economic measures, immigration proposals: My message to Republicans is ‘join us’; ‘I’m happy to share the credit’ - live video
End of alert

323 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:33:04am

re: #308 Alyosha

Seriously? You’d have to imagine that stats like that could only have been prevented from entering databases by specific legislation. I’d otherwise have thought the CDC would have to operate in an evidence-based world given the responsibility with which they’re charged.

No, the reason listed is the actual medical reason —sepsis, or whatever.

Like alcoholism is rarely listed, it will be cirrhosis or another related medical condition.

324 Bulworth  Jun 27, 2014 9:33:08am

re:
#319

Could be this man was sought out and groomed by a plant at a Tea party meeting, giving him this bad idea and then burning him when he unwisely carried it out.

I’ll admit I hadn’t thought of this. //

325 Gus  Jun 27, 2014 9:33:58am

re: #318 FemNaziBitch

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Both sides do it!

326 Charles Johnson  Jun 27, 2014 9:34:05am
327 lawhawk  Jun 27, 2014 9:34:10am

re: #282 Pie-onist Overlord

Ben Smith wouldn’t recognize an imperial president if it bit him on the ass.

Obama has issued fewer EOs than any president in recent history (by percentage and absolute terms). He’s made fewer recess appointees than every president in recent history.

The two metrics that these nitwits think show he’s acting outside the power of the executive show he’s hewed closest to a restrictive view of presidential power (though the reason for fewer recess appointments goes to the fact that Congress has been trying to obstruct all appointments so they’re staying in session longer - and playing games at that, while preventing action on legitimate appointees/nominees).

At the same time, should a Republican win the WH down the road, I fully expect Ben will complain that Obama reduced the power of the presidency such that a Republican can’t use the recess appointment power like his other predecessors. Or that the Republican can’t issue executive orders like others because Obama reduced that power/capability.

Craven. That’s what he is.

328 sattv4u2  Jun 27, 2014 9:34:21am

re: #321 GlutenFreeJesus

KTs trolling is berree suited for Pages.

Trolling?!?!

It’s long been SOP that after 100 comments (or less, if the “subject” of the thread is moving very slowly) that you could post stories/ links/ comments that have nothing to do with the original title of that thread

Once done it’s up to individuals to either weigh in on the “new” topic or ignore it

329 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:34:26am

Is it just me or are we missing Obdicut?

330 Alyosha  Jun 27, 2014 9:34:33am

re: #319 Lidane

“If he truly did blow his opwn brains out theat is one thing, if there are anomolies then one has to wonder.”

And if we cant find anomolies we can always invent som!!

331 Bulworth  Jun 27, 2014 9:35:39am

re:
#313

Oh, Greta isn’t on the IRS SCANDAL!!!!!1 train?

332 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:36:01am

re: #330 Alyosha

“If he truly did blow his opwn brains out theat is one thing, if there are anomolies then one has to wonder.”

And if we cant find anomolies we can always invent som!!

anomolies
anemones
alibis
_______

333 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:36:28am

re: #331 Bulworth

re:
#313

Oh, Greta isn’t on the IRS SCANDAL!!!!!1 train?

What a waste of space she is

334 blueraven  Jun 27, 2014 9:37:16am

re: #329 FemNaziBitch

Is it just me or are we missing Obdicut?

He was here (commenting) yesterday.

335 Justanotherhuman  Jun 27, 2014 9:37:43am

re: #329 FemNaziBitch

Is it just me or are we missing Obdicut?

He hasn’t commented today; was here yesterday, though.

336 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:37:50am

LOVE THE NAME

337 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:38:23am

re: #335 Justanotherhuman

re: #334 blueraven

Good, being gone most of the last week, I was afraid I missed something.

338 Romantic Heretic  Jun 27, 2014 9:39:09am

re: #150 lawhawk

The decision was naive and foolish, and it may well end up with a body count among protesters, patients, and doctors.

There’s already a body count, none among the protestors so far, that I know of.

Also there’s no ‘may very well’ involved. It’s a certainty; the body count is going to grow. The ‘anti-choicers’ are on a crusade and crusades demand blood.

339 Alyosha  Jun 27, 2014 9:39:17am

re: #323 FemNaziBitch

No, the reason listed is the actual medical reason —sepsis, or whatever.

Like alcoholism is rarely listed, it will be cirrhosis or another related medical condition.

Ahhh, k. Seems like a bit of an oversight,

I was kinda hoping that the reason a botched abortion isn’t listed as the contributing cause for death is because, as a civilised society, with laws upholding the rights of women alive today, deaths from abortion are almost unheard of.
For at least as long as those rights exist.

340 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:40:29am
Sexual attacks on males are counted as aggravated assaults or sex offenses, depending on the circumstances and the extent of any injuries.

For an example of how statistics are used to misrepresent the truth

341 Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2014 9:41:38am

re: #335 Justanotherhuman

He hasn’t commented today; was here yesterday, though.

If he doesn’t punch in, his Zionist check is going to be light.

342 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 27, 2014 9:42:04am

re: #143 Killgore Trout

Excellent example. The supply side of the economics isn’t as much of a problem these days as the demand side. I think you might even be able to tie in the recent economic crisis too. Housing wasn’t in shortage, what got us was people taking out loans and equity from their houses that they couldn’t pay back.

Again, this is a myth. The foreclosure problem did not cause the economic crisis. The packaging of mortgages as risk-free debt that were then sold and resold caused it. It was entirely a product of the financial services industry, it was not caused by people taking loans and equity out.

You’ve had this explained to you many, many times, and yet you continue to either not understand the simple facts or just choose to lie about it.

343 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:42:10am

re: #339 Alyosha

Ahhh, k. Seems like a bit of an oversight,

I was kinda hoping that the reason a botched abortion isn’t listed as the contributing cause for death is because, as a civilised society, with laws upholding the rights of women alive today, deaths from abortion are almost unheard of.
For at least as long as those rights exist.

Well, like alcoholism, addiction and such these reasons are an embarrassment to the family —and historically have not been listed as actual causes of death —THUS REINFORCING THE STIGMA.

Suicide was (at least in the past) often not used for wealthy or powerful family members—as it is the ultimate crime against g-d.

344 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:42:31am

re: #342 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Again, this is a myth. The foreclosure problem did not cause the economic crisis. The packaging of mortgages as risk-free debt that were then sold and resold caused it. It was entirely a product of the financial services industry, it was not caused by people taking loans and equity out.

You’ve had this explained to you many, many times, and yet you continue to either not understand the simple facts or just choose to lie about it.

On cue!

345 CuriousLurker  Jun 27, 2014 9:43:02am

re: #328 sattv4u2

Last night he was going OT stating at comments #6 & #7. It was annoying.

346 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:43:13am

re: #342 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Again, this is a myth. The foreclosure problem did not cause the economic crisis. The packaging of mortgages as risk-free debt that were then sold and resold caused it. It was entirely a product of the financial services industry, it was not caused by people taking loans and equity out.

You’ve had this explained to you many, many times, and yet you continue to either not understand the simple facts or just choose to lie about it.

The economic crisis was caused by systemic greed and ignorance. The adults in charge did not do their jobs.

347 Bulworth  Jun 27, 2014 9:44:05am

Hmmmm, taking a second today to wonder how things are going on the special investigative super duper bipartisan Benghazi!congressional committee.

OK, the second’s over, time to get on with the rest of my day.

348 Justanotherhuman  Jun 27, 2014 9:44:07am

Texas man pleads guilty to trying to aid foreign terrorists

reuters.com

“Michael Wolfe, 23, admitted that “he planned to travel to the Middle East to provide his services to a foreign terrorist organization, namely, the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham/Syria (ISIS) and to engage in violent jihad in Syria,” prosecutors said in a statement.”

349 Kragar  Jun 27, 2014 9:45:47am

Can we please stop referring to to these people as “pro-life”? They care nothing about human life. They are “pro-forced” or “anti-choice”

350 Killgore Trout  Jun 27, 2014 9:47:41am

re: #348 Justanotherhuman

Texas man pleads guilty to trying to aid foreign terrorists

reuters.com

“Michael Wolfe, 23, admitted that “he planned to travel to the Middle East to provide his services to a foreign terrorist organization, namely, the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham/Syria (ISIS) and to engage in violent jihad in Syria,” prosecutors said in a statement.”

Meanwhile in the UK
Mosques launch campaign to stop UK Syria fighters

351 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 27, 2014 9:48:28am

re: #329 FemNaziBitch

Is it just me or are we missing Obdicut?

I’ve been busy/travelling/camping in the High Sierras/working.

On the subject of the court’s ruling: I think it’s a good ruling. That the conversations are not consensual is, sadly, something observable only after the fact. If you prevent people from that conversation, you also prevent people from any other conversation you can reasonably think might not be wanted, like asking someone for change, help of any kind, to sign a petition, etc.

There’s a huge problem of inconsistency: The Supreme Court and politicians get big buffer zones, while facing less physical threat than abortion doctors, nurses, and patients. There’s a big problem that protesters who violate the laws are not arrested. In San Francisco, where I worked, the protesters were allowed on the sidewalk, to start ‘conversations’ (or just scream abuse) at the people going into the clinic. What they were NOT allowed to do, but they did anyway, was pursue, follow, approach, and continue after being told ‘no’.

If we enforced actual laws on the protesters about disregarding people who said ‘no’ or otherwise ignored them, they’d probably all get arrested. They are not good at following or respecting the law. But the laws we do have don’t get enforced—the cops are normally ignorant of the particular laws, and cops don’t actually like arresting people, it’s a big hassle for them.

I hate the evil that the protesters do, but I don’t think that this ruling was in error. I encourage those of you with free time and calm spirits to work as abortion clinic escorts to provide friendly faces and protection against these assholes. For long-term solutions, we need to change our culture, and that’s the toughest row of all to hoe. Until then, lawsuits against protesters who are misbehaving are becoming easier thanks to ever-present iphones recording everything.

352 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:49:32am

re: #349 Kragar

Can we please stop referring to to these people as “pro-life”? They care nothing about human life. They are “pro-forced” or “anti-choice”

Pro-Birth according to Sister Joan.

353 CriticalDragon1177  Jun 27, 2014 9:50:13am

re: #316 Joanne

Or anyone to the left of Attila the Hun.

Even Attila the Hun would probably be too progressive for some wingnuts.

354 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:51:17am

re: #351 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

As a Woman, I see it as another example of my precarious status in this country. I am not equal under the law.

355 Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2014 9:51:54am

So, a new scandal seems afoot in the Czech Republic.

To simplify; the owner of a mine here in Ostrava was recently bailed out by the federal government. Not everyone was happy with that, of course, but the government agreed to pay billions of Czech crowns to help retrain workers, etc., and most importantly, to help them via social benefits to make their rent.

The problem; the owner of the mine failed to mention that he’s also a silent partner in a real estate company here. A real estate company that owns the very apartments the Czech government is now paying rent for via social benefits.

The valuation of this real estate company is somewhere in the neighborhood of close to $4 billion USD. Even better; though he is ostensibly a “ghost partner”, thanks to some legal legerdemain, he is in fact, the actual owner of this company, not merely a “ghost partner”.

This was uncovered when he tried to float his real estate company on the Netherlands stock exchange. Even more damaging…..this “ghost partner” (lolol) actually does have a “ghost partner” - a private firm based in Prague.

That firm is apparently owned by the Prime Minister of the country; an investigation is underway.

*headdesk*

356 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 27, 2014 9:52:21am

re: #353 CriticalDragon1177

Even Attila the Hun would probably be too progressive for some wingnuts.

We know almost nothing about Attila. He might have invaded Italy to try to spread freeganism.

357 iossarian  Jun 27, 2014 9:52:56am

re: #351 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

On the subject of the court’s ruling: I think it’s a good ruling. That the conversations are not consensual is, sadly, something observable only after the fact. If you prevent people from that conversation, you also prevent people from any other conversation you can reasonably think might not be wanted, like asking someone for change, help of any kind, to sign a petition, etc.

I can see your point of view, but I think that’s too rose-tinted a view of what the law is and does in a democratic society. This ruling basically says its OK to harass women who visit a health clinic. As such, it sucks.

358 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:53:31am

Snakes and bees ‘flush out’ Boko Haram fighters

359 CriticalDragon1177  Jun 27, 2014 9:53:55am

re: #348 Justanotherhuman

Texas man pleads guilty to trying to aid foreign terrorists

reuters.com

“Michael Wolfe, 23, admitted that “he planned to travel to the Middle East to provide his services to a foreign terrorist organization, namely, the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham/Syria (ISIS) and to engage in violent jihad in Syria,” prosecutors said in a statement.”

re: #350 Killgore Trout

Meanwhile in the UK
Mosques launch campaign to stop UK Syria fighters

That’s something you’ll never hear about from Robert Spencer or Pamela Geller, or if they do mention it, they’ll just say they’re just pretending to be against terrorism.

360 Justanotherhuman  Jun 27, 2014 9:54:00am

re: #350 Killgore Trout

Meanwhile in the UK
Mosques launch campaign to stop UK Syria fighters

Different situation.

Feds arrest 2 Central Texas men on terrorism cases

Feds arrest 2 Texas men for allegedly supporting terrorists, promoting ‘jihad’

click2houston.com

361 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 27, 2014 9:54:22am

re: #354 FemNaziBitch

As a Woman, I see it as another example of my precarious status in this country. I am not equal under the law.

Well, this ruling doesn’t establish any gender-based inequality. The problem is not with this law, or this ruling, but the misogyny and repression of women in our society at large. Every ‘even-handed’ law is weighted against women in our society, since women have less power, their testimony is believed less, etc. etc.

362 lawhawk  Jun 27, 2014 9:54:47am

The artist has recreated parts of the Statue of Liberty based on Bartholdi’s designs and has put them on display around the country. Some of them are in City Hall Park. It’s an interesting way to get up close (well, within few yards at least) of the parts to see them in scale.

363 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:55:13am

re: #357 iossarian

I can see your point of view, but I think that’s too rose-tinted a view of what the law is and does in a democratic society. This ruling basically says its OK to harass women who visit a health clinic. As such, it sucks.

It’s ok to harass rank ‘n file women, but not aristocrats, government officials or white men.

364 Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2014 9:55:18am

re: #340 FemNaziBitch

For an example of how statistics are used to misrepresent the truth

Can you elaborate on what you mean here?

365 Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2014 9:55:39am

I say. My esteemed senator, Senator Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the Third, has declined to support an update to the Voting Rights Act.

He is also on record as being agin’ boll weevils.

montgomeryadvertiser.com

366 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:55:47am

re: #361 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Well, this ruling doesn’t establish any gender-based inequality. The problem is not with this law, or this ruling, but the misogyny and repression of women in our society at large. Every ‘even-handed’ law is weighted against women in our society, since women have less power, their testimony is believed less, etc. etc.

De Jure —no
De Facto —yes

367 Kragar  Jun 27, 2014 9:56:44am
368 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 9:57:21am

re: #364 Timothy Watson

Can you elaborate on what you mean here?

Rape is the word used to document sexual assault on women, but not for sexual assault on men.

Thus, men can’t be raped.

I seem to remember that this has been changed in the last round of updates to the crime definitions—very recently.

The age old meme will take decades to eradicate, if ever.

369 Lidane  Jun 27, 2014 9:58:14am

re: #354 FemNaziBitch

As a Woman, I see it as another example of my precarious status in this country. I am not equal under the law.

Agreed. It’s part of a larger pattern of dehumanizing women and our agency and choices under the law. We have to be forced to deal with these evil assholes against our will just so they won’t get their feelings hurt.

WTF? What about the feelings of the woman who is scared, pregnant, and facing an agonizing situation? I guess she doesn’t count.

370 Decatur Deb  Jun 27, 2014 9:59:42am

re: #356 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

We know almost nothing about Attila. He might have invaded Italy to try to spread freeganism.

Came through our village, Caldogno, in 452. They do not remember him fondly.

371 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 10:00:34am
372 sattv4u2  Jun 27, 2014 10:01:17am

re: #345 CuriousLurker

Last night he was going OT stating at comments #6 & #7. It was annoying.

I dunno
ME,, I have the capacity to ignore and/or skip over

373 Justanotherhuman  Jun 27, 2014 10:01:45am

re: #371 FemNaziBitch

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I’m afraid I might be tempted to stuff their words back down into their throats.

374 Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2014 10:03:15am

re: #368 FemNaziBitch

Rape is the word used to document sexual assault on women, but not for sexual assault on men.

Thus, men can’t be raped.

I seem to remember that this has been changed in the last round of updates to the crime definitions—very recently.

The age old meme will take decades to eradicate, if ever.

Ah, okay. It was updated for the 2013 UCR, and the National Incident Based Reporting System (NIBRS) has always included the rape of males in its forcible rape category.

UCR data has always been somewhat flawed. It still retains the “hierarchy rule”, where only the worst crime is reported as occurring (e.g., for a murder, rape, and robbery, committed in a single act, only a murder would show up in the statistics).

375 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 27, 2014 10:03:16am

re: #357 iossarian

I can see your point of view, but I think that’s too rose-tinted a view of what the law is and does in a democratic society. This ruling basically says its OK to harass women who visit a health clinic. As such, it sucks.

Did you miss the bit about how I worked as an abortion clinic escort? I don’t have any rose-tints to my glasses whatsoever. The hate and evil of the anti-choicers is clearly visible. But a law establishing that buffer zone does little to contain or dismiss that hate.

What I’m mostly saying is that whatever the limit is, enforce it. Right now, all the limits that we have, whatever they are, are routinely broken by the protesters. They are observed neither in spirit nor in the letter. Holding the line on anything—including just arresting/fining people who continue to talk after being told ‘no’—would do a lot more than another law that will get spottily enforced if at all.

The moment with the protesters is not the only, or the main, moment of humiliation, pain, or condemnation that a woman deciding to get an abortion faces. In movies, books, popular culture, in magazines, newspaper articles, and more importantly in the common day to day conversation abortions are condemned. Even among people who support the right to abortion there’s often a sense that abortions are in some way shameful, sad, or to be not talked about.

These vile bunch who show up at abortion clinics to spew their hate in person are the most visible and ugly part of this, but I think far more disturbing—and an area I think that free speech matters less on—are the people who celebrate the murder of TIller, who call it ‘not really a murder’, and other shit like that.

376 Lidane  Jun 27, 2014 10:03:17am

re: #361 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Well, this ruling doesn’t establish any gender-based inequality.

True. It just reinforces the inequality that already exists.

All that ruling does is embolden the evil assholes who terrorize women. SCOTUS gave them a blank check. It’s frightening.

377 Alyosha  Jun 27, 2014 10:04:18am

re: #368 FemNaziBitch

Rape is the word used to document sexual assault on women, but not for sexual assault on men.

Thus, men can’t be raped.

I seem to remember that this has been changed in the last round of updates to the crime definitions—very recently.

The age old meme will take decades to eradicate, if ever.

Just in case TRIGGER WARNING

There was a story circulating in the town in which I used to live about I guy I personally didn’t know who, while intoxicated at the beach at night on New Year’s Eve was digitally penetrated by a male and female duo in company with others. When I heard the story, told by a friend, I was shocked out of my mind. Worse, others present laughed as if the victim had had nothing violated but his pride. It was a small-minded and boring town but I could see it happening and going unreported anywhere.

378 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 27, 2014 10:05:12am

re: #366 FemNaziBitch

De Jure —no
De Facto —yes

THis is the case for pretty much every law on the books. Women are believed less when they give testimony than men are. The fault is not with the law, but with our society and its attitude towards women. Part of changing that is the law, but as I said, I’d really rather see any enforcement of the law at all than another law on paper that does little actual good on the ground.

379 Joanne  Jun 27, 2014 10:07:01am

re: #376 Lidane

True. It just reinforces the inequality that already exists.

All that ruling does is embolden the evil assholes who terrorize women. SCOTUS gave them a blank check. It’s frightening.

It definitely reinforces class based inequality. People with money don’t go to Planned Parenthood. People like Supreme Court justices have a natural perimeter surrounding them and their work places, ensuring they re insulated from the unwashed masses.

380 sattv4u2  Jun 27, 2014 10:07:28am

Hmmm,,,, only 30% chance of rain 1st part of next week at the beach

Think I’ll head there and then back home before the 4th of July crowds take over

381 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 10:08:43am

re: #378 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

THis is the case for pretty much every law on the books. Women are believed less when they give testimony than men are. The fault is not with the law, but with our society and its attitude towards women. Part of changing that is the law, but as I said, I’d really rather see any enforcement of the law at all than another law on paper that does little actual good on the ground.

Yes, that takes appropriations … .

382 Kragar  Jun 27, 2014 10:09:20am
383 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 10:09:35am

re: #377 Alyosha

Just in case TRIGGER WARNING

There was a story circulating in the town in which I used to live about I guy I personally didn’t know who, while intoxicated at the beach at night on New Year’s Eve was digitally penetrated by a male and female duo in company with others. When I heard the story, told by a friend, I was shocked out of my mind. Worse, others present laughed as if the victim had had nothing violated but his pride. It was a small-minded and boring town but I could see it happening and going unreported anywhere.

Yup.

See my post above regarding PTSD.

Updated: #265

384 Lidane  Jun 27, 2014 10:09:39am

re: #379 Joanne

It definitely reinforces class based inequality. People with money don’t go to Planned Parenthood. People like Supreme Court justices have a natural perimeter surrounding them and their work places, ensuring they re insulated from the unwashed masses.

Exactly. A woman with money or status isn’t going to go to Planned Parenthood. She’ll go somewhere where her privacy will be respected and where she won’t be attacked by these forced birth terrorists. Poor and middle class women don’t have that option.

385 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 10:10:39am

re: #374 Timothy Watson

Ah, okay. It was updated for the 2013 UCR, and the National Incident Based Reporting System (NIBRS) has always included the rape of males in its forcible rape category.

UCR data has always been somewhat flawed. It still retains the “hierarchy rule”, where only the worst crime is reported as occurring (e.g., for a murder, rape, and robbery, committed in a single act, only a murder would show up in the statistics).

One would think the Child Rape for Profit Industry would be at the top of the list … .

386 iossarian  Jun 27, 2014 10:11:13am

re: #375 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I agree with pretty much all of this and of course I didn’t mean to dismiss your personal engagement, which I’m aware of from past comments.

The only part of your comment that I disagree with is this:

But a law establishing that buffer zone does little to contain or dismiss that hate.

I agree that the buffer zone, from the point of view of the actual clinic experience and everything else leading up to it, which you do a great job of breaking down, is perhaps not that big a deal.

But the point is that striking down the buffer zone is basically the highest court in the land saying they will undermine any attempt to push back against the hate, the same way they’re undermining attempts to push back on corporate control of politics, the rolling back of civil rights for minorities, etc. etc.

In that context, it’s hardly surprising that the laws don’t get enforced. It’s not as if the Supreme Court is sending a message that they *want* them enforced, after all.

387 Bulworth  Jun 27, 2014 10:11:35am

re:
#382

Everybody behind the ‘New World Order’ got old or died, so the New World Order has been cancelled.

388 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 27, 2014 10:11:45am

And now, I’ve got to get back to work.

This topic needs to be talked about more. A lot of the evil that’s done against women happens because of the taboo about discussing subjects like this.

389 Bulworth  Jun 27, 2014 10:13:14am

re:
#382

Commodore also paged.

390 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 10:13:31am

re: #388 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

And now, I’ve got to get back to work.

This topic needs to be talked about more. A lot of the evil that’s done against women happens because of the taboo about discussing subjects like this.

QFT

nice girls don’t know about such things

391 Lidane  Jun 27, 2014 10:14:20am

re: #388 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

And now, I’ve got to get back to work.

This topic needs to be talked about more. A lot of the evil that’s done against women happens because of the taboo about discussing subjects like this.

At this point I’m just waiting for the next abortion clinic shooting or some sort of Stand Your Ground bullshit where one of these terrorists hurts a woman “to protect the baby”. Without buffer zones, it’s inevitable.

392 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 10:15:07am

re: #391 Lidane

At this point I’m just waiting for the next abortion clinic shooting or some sort of Stand Your Ground bullshit where one of these terrorists hurts a woman “to protect the baby”. Without buffer zones, it’s inevitable.

A woman will be stoned or burned at the stake before people will be shocked into facing their demons regarding sex.

And even then it won’t be enough.

393 Dr. Matt  Jun 27, 2014 10:16:04am

Ann Coulter

394 iossarian  Jun 27, 2014 10:16:06am

Freedom!

With that, I’m off camping. In a state park that doesn’t allow beer. Thanks, Obama!

Have a good weekend, everyone!

395 Joanne  Jun 27, 2014 10:16:23am

re: #391 Lidane

At this point I’m just waiting for the next abortion clinic shooting or some sort of Stand Your Ground bullshit where one of these terrorists hurts a woman “to protect the baby”. Without buffer zones, it’s inevitable.

I hate to say this but there is an inferred statement there that any of the powers that be would actually give a shit.

396 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 10:16:51am
397 wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2014 10:16:51am
398 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 10:18:30am
399 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 10:19:23am

re: #395 Joanne

I hate to say this but there is an inferred statement there that any of the powers that be would actually give a shit.

Only if it was one of their women.

400 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 10:19:32am

re: #396 FemNaziBitch

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I think these “sidewalk counselors” should be licensed and board-certified at the same level they expect of women’s clinics.

401 Lidane  Jun 27, 2014 10:19:50am

re: #395 Joanne

I hate to say this but there is an inferred statement there that any of the powers that be would actually give a shit.

They don’t. Simple as that. If a woman ends up getting attacked or hurt by these terrorists, it won’t matter. The attacker will be called a “lone wolf” or be called crazy (No True “Pro-Life” Activist!) and nothing will change.

402 Dr. Matt  Jun 27, 2014 10:20:41am

re: #260 lawhawk

Mark Mayfield, the MS Tea Party leader arrested in the nursing-home scandal, has committed suicide t.co
— Brett LoGiurato (@BrettLoGiurato) June 27, 2014

How many conspiracy theories are there by now blaming Obama?

403 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 10:21:16am

re: #401 Lidane

They don’t. Simple as that. If a woman ends up getting attacked or hurt by these terrorists, it won’t matter. The attacker will be called a “lone wolf” or be called crazy (No True “Pro-Life” Activist!) and nothing will change.

It can change —ONLY IF WOMEN VOTE, and are elected to positions of power. Which seems to be happening everywhere on the Globe EXCEPT the Nation of the Brave and the Free.

404 Justanotherhuman  Jun 27, 2014 10:21:32am

How in hell does this make any sense whatsoever?

LOL WHUT?

405 Kragar  Jun 27, 2014 10:21:41am
406 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 10:22:11am

re: #404 Justanotherhuman

How in hell does this make any sense whatsoever?

LOL WHUT?

I see lotsa white people

407 EPR-radar  Jun 27, 2014 10:23:22am

re: #386 iossarian

…

But the point is that striking down the buffer zone is basically the highest court in the land saying they will undermine any attempt to push back against the hate, the same way they’re undermining attempts to push back on corporate control of politics, the rolling back of civil rights for minorities, etc. etc.

In that context, it’s hardly surprising that the laws don’t get enforced. It’s not as if the Supreme Court is sending a message that they *want* them enforced, after all.

This point is especially pertinent in view of the 9-0 vote in this decision.

One hopes that the reason for this travesty is not something silly and stupid like no relatively liberal member of SCOTUS ever having walked the abortion clinic gauntlet or talked with someone who has.

408 Bulworth  Jun 27, 2014 10:23:29am

re:
#404

Something about that picture doesn’t even look right….

409 blueraven  Jun 27, 2014 10:25:14am

re: #404 Justanotherhuman

How in hell does this make any sense whatsoever?

LOL WHUT?

Let My People Sperm go!

410 RadicalModerate  Jun 27, 2014 10:25:50am

“re: #118 William Barnett-Lewis

So what happens when, in a SYG state, an armed clinic escort feels ¨threatened” by one of these Forced Birth Terrorists?

A scary thought.

How long before one of these so-called “pro-life” lunatics decide that they can use Stand your Ground” laws as justification for murdering people at a clinic?

411 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 27, 2014 10:26:55am

re: #406 FemNaziBitch

I see lotsa white people

HURR HURR MARGARET SANGER GENOCIDED ALL TEH BLAHS!!!! THAT’S WHY THEIR IS NO BLAHS ANY MOAR!!!!!!!

412 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 10:28:45am

re: #407 EPR-radar

This point is especially pertinent in view of the 9-0 vote in this decision.

One hopes that the reason for this travesty is not something silly and stupid like no relatively liberal member of SCOTUS ever having walked the abortion clinic gauntlet or talked with someone who has.

Sounds a lot like the Texas Legislature saying the law Wendy Davis Filibustered against wasn’t intended to close Abortion Clinics, just to protect women.

The result? Repro Health Clinics closed, women resorting to traveling to Mexico, illegal abortions and no reproductive health care, pregnant or not.

*spit*

413 Dr. Matt  Jun 27, 2014 10:28:48am

re: #404 Justanotherhuman

How in hell does this make any sense whatsoever?

LOL WHUT?

That looks photoshopped, IMO.

414 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 10:29:23am

going to take my nap now.

bbl

415 FemNaziBitch  Jun 27, 2014 10:30:44am

re: #400 Pie-onist Overlord

I think these “sidewalk counselors” should be licensed and board-certified at the same level they expect of women’s clinics.

They’d all have degrees from Bob Jones or the sham school from which Michelle Bachman got her law degree.

416 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2014 10:35:17am

re: #290 CuriousLurker

I never saw Gangs of New York, but it’s around the same time frame. NYC was totally crazy pants back in the day. Still is is some ways. heh.

Gangs of New York is totally gobsmacking, and I say that as someone who is half-Irish and some of said Irish ancestors were among those depicted in the film.
The scene where the street is literally running in blood deep enough to splash while walking is totally horrifying.

417 Alyosha  Jun 27, 2014 10:36:31am

re: #403 FemNaziBitch

It can change —ONLY IF WOMEN VOTE, and are elected to positions of power. Which seems to be happening everywhere on the Globe EXCEPT the

.

I held a grudge against Madeleine Albright for the longest time because of something she said in response to the question of Iraqi civilian casualties incurred as a result of the embargo. I still have mixed feelings about her, but I was too young to truly appreciate what she might have accomplished during the Clinton Admin.

Reminds me of Hillary Clinton’s now infamous response of “what difference does it make?”

Albright’s “I think it was worth it” comment is coloured by her sex and how society expects its lady statesmen to behave. It seems to me that life in the diplomatic corps and state department brings out the realist in people.

Now when I see Albright’s name I think of a quote belonging to her I think I’ve seen posted here before:

“There is a special place in Hell for women who don’t help other women”.

For men it’s easier, because we expect such curt words from them.
For the Rices, Albrights and Clintons of the world there’s a more exacting standard for them to meet. But it’s easier for us to just let the job be done by a guy. It doesn’t screw with our perceptions of gender roles that way.

418 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2014 10:41:05am

re: #338 Romantic Heretic

There’s already a body count, none among the protestors so far, that I know of.

Also there’s no ‘may very well’ involved. It’s a certainty; the body count is going to grow. The ‘anti-choicers’ are on a crusade and crusades demand blood.

That tree of liberty ain’t gonna water itself!!11!!

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419 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 27, 2014 1:53:50pm

re: #328 sattv4u2

Trolling?!?!

It’s long been SOP that after 100 comments (or less, if the “subject” of the thread is moving very slowly) that you could post stories/ links/ comments that have nothing to do with the original title of that thread

Once done it’s up to individuals to either weigh in on the “new” topic or ignore it

Yeah. Seen where he starts right off the bat with his attempts at derailing? Yes. You have.

420 piratedan  Jun 27, 2014 3:09:00pm

re: #404 Justanotherhuman

all those people have to do is start fucking and birthing those babies, as far as I can tell, nobody is stopping them from getting their own personal freak on…..


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