1 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 29, 2014 7:51:46pm

Always amazing what some will stoop to. When all they have is lies.

2 Charles Johnson  Jun 29, 2014 7:55:40pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

I know we disagree on some issues, but I really do count you as a friend. Thanks.

3 Charles Johnson  Jun 29, 2014 7:59:57pm

Yes, this is the second post on this subject — but these people are trying to falsely associate me with one of the worst mass murderers in history, and I’m not going to ignore it any more.

4 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 29, 2014 8:00:06pm

That’s not even a good attempt at hiding their lies. It’s like they know their audience is stupid. And they aren’t wrong.

5 1Peter G1  Jun 29, 2014 8:01:23pm

Look on the bright side. You’re not really anybody until Glenn has tried to fabricate something about you.

6 teleskiguy  Jun 29, 2014 8:09:47pm
7 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 29, 2014 8:10:28pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Thanks much. I’m happy to step up for one of the few places among blogs that respect the truth and have a heart on the internet.

8 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 8:14:14pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Yes, this is the second post on this subject — but these people are trying to falsely associate me with one of the worst mass murderers in history, and I’m not going to ignore it any more.

That dude was saying shit about me before on Twitter. Freaking crazy.

9 teleskiguy  Jun 29, 2014 8:18:39pm

re: #7 Rightwingconspirator

blogs that respect the truth and have a heart on the internet.

Well put. I’ve been reading LGF for about 10 years now. In the aughts I came here for a decidedly “right-wing” point of view. I didn’t much care for the anti-Islam stuff (mostly in the comments) and the Bush apologetics. But the fact of the matter is I’ve been reading LGF everyday for 10 years and I’ve witnessed an evolution. Charles has changed, and he admits it freely. Charles goes out of his way to welcome people of all faiths and people with no faith. We even have some well rounded righties that have been commenting here for 10 years and always provide a sane right wing perspective (I’m looking at you DF). I especially appreciate the pushback against the anti-science wing of the right. That was probably the thread that made me, *ahem* loyal.

OK, what was this post about? LGF is legit. Yeah.

10 Charles Johnson  Jun 29, 2014 8:19:42pm
11 Belafon  Jun 29, 2014 8:20:02pm

Just cleaned out my email, and had to pause: Richard Dean Anderson is a Al Frankin supporter (Anderson is from Minnesota). The email even includes a picture of him from his MacGyver days.

12 Testy Toad T  Jun 29, 2014 8:20:55pm

I know I shouldn’t find this as funny as I do, but some things can’t be helped.

You’re going for a hateful smear of a completely IRRELEVANT!!!! internet punditocracy personality and you can’t even be bothered to fire up MSPaint? Just crop ‘n go, leaving five or eight pixels of laziness at the bottom? Like nobody will notice that or wonder what’s up with it?

Christ, okay, fine. So you’re going to produce and promulgate a fake chart. Could you, I dunno, put a little effort into it? Three, maybe five minutes for the cause you allegedly adore?

Lazy, sloppy, misanthropic garbage. None more dudebro. You can find a picture of this in the dictionary (badly cropped, of course).

13 teleskiguy  Jun 29, 2014 8:22:50pm

re: #12 Testy Toad T

IRRELEVANT!!!!

IRRELLLEVANNTTT!!!!

14 Testy Toad T  Jun 29, 2014 8:23:03pm

re: #11 Belafon

I think Franken’s a neat guy, but I expected (at best) a replacement-level Senator. He’s been an astonishing surprise to me. I don’t always agree with him, surely, but he takes the job seriously and acts with rational consideration and a recognition of the gravity of his post.

15 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 29, 2014 8:23:11pm

re: #11 Belafon

Just cleaned out my email, and had to pause: Richard Dean Anderson is a Al Frankin supporter (Anderson is from Minnesota). The email even includes a picture of him from his MacGyver days.

One of the more enjoyable TV shows in my memory. Almost, though not quite, up to the level of Magnum PI. And only Rockford Files, Star Trek (Classic, Next Gen & what I saw of DS 9) and (best) Hill Street Blues are beyond that.

16 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 8:24:35pm

17 Testy Toad T  Jun 29, 2014 8:25:11pm

If we had the Bush-memo photoshoppers active against the far-left/right these days, we could probably convince them that toads are a Secret Master Race from the Moon, or something.

Pathetically lazy people, both in real-world effort and intellectual curiosity. It’s so sad. They’re not stupid, per se. They could contribute so much more, most of them.

18 teleskiguy  Jun 29, 2014 8:29:17pm

OK. Let’s see how IRRELEVANT!!!! my Twitter account is, as Charles retweeted my tweet of this article to his nearly 10,000 followers.

*crickets*

Oh wait, I have a new follower!

Twitter is like that rat with an electrode attached to his brain and the rat keeps hitting the electric switch over and over again to get pleasure.

19 teleskiguy  Jun 29, 2014 8:33:09pm

I hate the fucking word “meta” and yet I used it in a tweet today. Fuck me.

20 Killgore Trout  Jun 29, 2014 8:52:03pm
21 Charles Johnson  Jun 29, 2014 9:06:28pm
22 Testy Toad T  Jun 29, 2014 9:09:54pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

I think it’s sort of funny that the OMG NSA DON’T TRACKS ME crowd is so frequently the sort that will dig up (and twist) random comments from a decade ago in order to support their point. People can never change, or be misinterpreted, or whatever. Once something is said, once, in any venue, ever, it can be hung around the guy’s neck, context-free, in perpetuity.

I trust that parody is lost on them.

23 teleskiguy  Jun 29, 2014 9:11:40pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Fact Immune People Suck

(new bumper sticker)

24 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 10:01:40pm

Wow. This guy is one serious whacko. Did some research. Might be a life long stalker.

25 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 29, 2014 10:02:15pm

Wow.

This is OT…but damn, this is some crazy shit tonight in the NYT:

WASHINGTON — Just weeks before Blackwater guards fatally shot 17 civilians at Baghdad’s Nisour Square in 2007, the State Department began investigating the security contractor’s operations in Iraq. But the inquiry was abandoned after Blackwater’s top manager there issued a threat: “that he could kill” the government’s chief investigator and “no one could or would do anything about it as we were in Iraq,” according to department reports.

American Embassy officials in Baghdad sided with Blackwater rather than the State Department investigators as a dispute over the probe escalated in August 2007, the previously undisclosed documents show. The officials told the investigators that they had disrupted the embassy’s relationship with the security contractor and ordered them to leave the country, according to the reports…

…Blackwater was also overbilling the State Department by manipulating its personnel records, using guards assigned to the State Department contract for other work and falsifying other staffing data on the contract, the investigators concluded.

A Blackwater-affiliated firm was forcing “third country nationals” — low-paid workers from Pakistan, Yemen and other countries, including some who performed guard duty at Blackwater’s compound — to live in squalid conditions, sometimes three to a cramped room with no bed, according to the report by the investigators.

The investigators concluded that Blackwater was getting away with such conduct because embassy personnel had gotten too close to the contractor.

On Aug. 20, 2007, Mr. Richter was called in to the office of the embassy’s regional security officer, Bob Hanni, who said he had received a call asking him to document Mr. Richter’s “inappropriate behavior.” Mr. Richter quickly called his supervisor in Washington, who instructed him to take Mr. Thomas with him to all remaining meetings in Baghdad, his report noted.

The next day, the two men met with Daniel Carroll, Blackwater’s project manager in Iraq, to discuss the investigation, including a complaint over food quality and sanitary conditions at a cafeteria in Blackwater’s compound. Mr. Carroll barked that Mr. Richter could not tell him what to do about his cafeteria, Mr. Richter’s report said. The Blackwater official went on to threaten the agent and say he would not face any consequences, according to Mr. Richter’s later account.

Mr. Carroll said “that he could kill me at that very moment and no one could or would do anything about it as we were in Iraq,” Mr. Richter wrote in a memo to senior State Department officials in Washington. He noted that Mr. Carroll had formerly served with Navy SEAL Team 6, an elite unit.

“Mr. Carroll’s statement was made in a low, even tone of voice, his head was slightly lowered; his eyes were fixed on mine,” Mr. Richter stated in his memo. “I took Mr. Carroll’s threat seriously. We were in a combat zone where things can happen quite unexpectedly, especially when issues involve potentially negative impacts on a lucrative security contract.”

He added that he was especially alarmed because Mr. Carroll was Blackwater’s leader in Iraq, and “organizations take on the attitudes and mannerisms of their leader.”

Mr. Thomas witnessed the exchange and corroborated Mr. Richter’s version of events in a separate statement, writing that Mr. Carroll’s comments were “unprofessional and threatening in nature.” He added that others in Baghdad had told the two investigators to be “very careful,” considering that their review could jeopardize job security for Blackwater personnel.

Mr. Richter was shocked when embassy officials sided with Mr. Carroll and ordered Mr. Richter and Mr. Thomas to leave Iraq immediately, according to the documents. On Aug. 23, Ricardo Colon, the acting regional security officer at the embassy, wrote in an email that Mr. Richter and Mr. Thomas had become “unsustainably disruptive to day-to-day operations and created an unnecessarily hostile environment for a number of contract personnel.” The two men cut short their inquiry and returned to Washington the next day.

nytimes.com

I was wondering how the situation in the Green Zone had gotten so bad with civilian contractors that you could have an outright rape of a KBR employee end up being turned into a persecution and actual imprisonment of the victim. (easy enough to find on google). Stuff I read suggested that there was absolutely no federal LE presence or protocol, and that outfits like Blackwater and Triple Canopy had turned all of Iraq into some weird hybrid of the Wild West mixed with mercenary wonderland Rhodesia circa 1968.

This story goes some way into explaining how they hell they got away with it. Just tell the state dept people you will kill them and there is nothing they can do about it.

26 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 10:03:36pm

re: #25 Aunty Entity Dragon

Wow.

This is OT…but damn, this is some crazy shit tonight in the NYT:

nytimes.com

I was wondering how the situation in the Green Zone had gotten so bad with civilian contractors that you could have an outright rape of a KBR employee end up being turned into a persecution and actual imprisonment of the victim. (easy enough to find on google). Stuff I read suggested that there was absolutely no federal LE presence or protocol, and that outfits like Blackwater and Triple Canopy had turned all of Iraq into some weird hybrid of the Wild West mixed with mercenary wonderland Rhodesia circa 1968.

This story goes some way into explaining how they hell they got away with it. Just tell the state dept people you will kill them and there is nothing they can do about it.

Two wows in a row! An angel gets its wings. :D Yeah, creepy. Blackwater is fucked up.

27 klys  Jun 29, 2014 10:07:00pm

re: #24 Gus

Wow. This guy is one serious whacko. Did some research. Might be a life long stalker.

I’m assuming this is the actual definition of stalker and not the one where someone merely asks questions on a discussion site.

////

28 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 10:07:39pm

re: #27 klys

I’m assuming this is the actual definition of stalker and not the one where someone merely asks questions on a discussion site.

////

Yes. :D

29 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 10:09:10pm

Was hot today in Denver. Hit 95F. Feeling a cool breeze now. Ahhhh. Still better than freezing though. :D

30 Kragar  Jun 29, 2014 10:10:17pm

Santorum noted that one need look at history of the U.S.

“Were we ready for an election when the United States was formed to have everybody in the United States vote? Well, our Founders didn’t think so, ” he stated. “They limited the people who could vote in an election. Now you could say that’s horrible, that’s terrible. Well, maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t. But it was a decision that was made to make sure that there was some continuity and stability within the government that was consistent with the values the government was founded upon.”

31 klys  Jun 29, 2014 10:10:47pm

re: #29 Gus

Was hot today in Denver. Hit 95F. Feeling a cool breeze now. Ahhhh. Still better than freezing though. :D

If I could figure out how to make it work, I would send you all our warm weather and take all your cold.

32 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 10:13:08pm

re: #31 klys

If I could figure out how to make it work, I would send you all our warm weather and take all your cold.

Hasn’t been cold for a while though. In any event. Here’s Cat. :D

33 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 29, 2014 10:13:27pm

re: #26 Gus

Two wows in a row! An angel gets its wings. :D Yeah, creepy. Blackwater is fucked up.

The founder of Blackwater, Eric Prince, is the brother of Betsy DeVos, who is married to a VP of Amway. They are serious wingnut fanatics who use their considerable financial resources to get rid of public schools and set up wingnut charter schools that fleece tax payer dollars to provide fundamentalist Christian education. I did an extensive paper on her various astroturf “charities” a couple of years ago. Stuff like “All Children Matter” and “American Federation for Children” which don’t seem to have emloyees but still spend millions in union busting (and paying fines for breaking campign finance laws).

Great family.

34 teleskiguy  Jun 29, 2014 10:13:50pm

The Colorado governors race should be interesting. John Hickenlooper (D) has been rather centrist in his approach to governance in Colorado. Energy development, cannabis, guns, buisness, Hick has been all over the place on just about everything.

And his opponent in the governors race? Let’s see what Citizens United is really capable of, because Bob Beauprez (R) is about to get hundreds tens of millions of dollars from wealthy conservatives, and Bob is considered a real squish in a lot of right wing circles.

35 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 10:15:07pm
36 klys  Jun 29, 2014 10:15:48pm

re: #32 Gus

Hasn’t been cold for a while though. In any event. Here’s Cat. :D

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I will not post the picture I took of one of the kitties on Friday, where he was perched on the cat tower in such a way that ..well.. he looked a little round.

The cats may not have dignity standards, but I do.

At least tonight.

37 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 29, 2014 10:17:06pm

re: #30 Kragar

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My God.

Editing because I am not sure I want to go that far with a judgement on the man, but the CS Lewis quote still fits him exactly:

Hence Theocracy is the worst of all governments. If we must have a tyrant a robber barron is far better than an inquisitor. The baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity at some point may be sated; and since he dimly knows he is doing wrong he may possibly repent. But the inquisitor who mistakes his own cruelty and lust of power and fear for the voice of Heaven will torment us infinitely more because he torments us with the approval of his own conscience and his better impulses appear to him as temptations.

38 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 10:20:08pm

re: #36 klys

I will not post the picture I took of one of the kitties on Friday, where he was perched on the cat tower in such a way that ..well.. he looked a little round.

The cats may not have dignity standards, but I do.

At least tonight.

The tuxedo cat is rather grumpy. Blondie is pretty friendly though. Not a lap cat. Doesn’t really meow very loudly. He basically squeaks.

39 klys  Jun 29, 2014 10:22:04pm

re: #38 Gus

The tuxedo cat is rather grumpy. Blondie is pretty friendly though. Not a lap cat. Doesn’t really meow very loudly. He basically squeaks.

I don’t know how you could possibly get along with a grumpy cat.

///

Someday, for shits and giggles, I will record the kittens when it is time for wet food.

Our black and white kitty sometimes leaks squeaks. They just escape involuntarily when he moves, I swear.

40 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 29, 2014 10:24:02pm

I’m tired and off to bed. Good night, scaly friends.

41 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 10:25:02pm

MEOW

42 klys  Jun 29, 2014 10:26:00pm

re: #41 Gus

MEOW

Well crap, the overlords have gotten to Gus now.

43 Targetpractice  Jun 29, 2014 10:26:46pm

re: #30 Kragar

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Translation: The Founders decided that the only people who should be allowed to vote were those who thought exactly like they did.

Rick doesn’t seem to understand that that’s not a democracy, it’s an oligarchy.

44 Kragar  Jun 29, 2014 10:28:27pm

re: #43 Targetpractice

Translation: The Founders decided that the only people who should be allowed to vote were those who thought exactly like they did.

Rick doesn’t seem to understand that that’s not a democracy, it’s an oligarchy.

I think he understands that point pretty well, he’s just hoping most other people don’t.

45 FemNaziBitch  Jun 29, 2014 10:30:14pm

46 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 10:30:19pm

re: #42 klys

Well crap, the overlords have gotten to Gus now.

If I use the liter box I’ll make sure to “check in.” :D

47 FemNaziBitch  Jun 29, 2014 10:30:24pm

nytol

48 klys  Jun 29, 2014 10:31:34pm

re: #46 Gus

If I use the liter box I’ll make sure to “check in.” :D

One of our cats should be better classified as a chemical weapon.

That’s all I’ll say on that.

49 FemNaziBitch  Jun 29, 2014 10:31:37pm

re: #30 Kragar

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Yeah, the Civil War was the beginning of the end of that idea.

50 FemNaziBitch  Jun 29, 2014 10:31:50pm

nytol again.

51 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 10:33:33pm

re: #48 klys

One of our cats should be better classified as a chemical weapon.

That’s all I’ll say on that.

Oh yeah. We had those too. Would pee just about anywhere.

52 klys  Jun 29, 2014 10:34:58pm

re: #51 Gus

Oh yeah. We had those too. Would pee just about anywhere.

I have resigned myself to the fact that the carpet in the living room is being torn up and replaced before we sell the house.

In the meantime he seems to have decided that by the garage door is better, which I won’t complain about too much since it is linoleum.

53 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 10:38:49pm

re: #52 klys

I have resigned myself to the fact that the carpet in the living room is being torn up and replaced before we sell the house.

In the meantime he seems to have decided that by the garage door is better, which I won’t complain about too much since it is linoleum.

One used to hit the stove. Yes, the stove. We never got rid of him though. We were cat troopers. One day we discovered a bald spot on him. It was alopecia along with liver disease. He died soon after. Use to run like a madman in the back yard. Also dog friendly. Big black cat.

54 petesh  Jun 29, 2014 10:51:27pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Hang in there. Remain calm. This too shall pass, and your witness will be worth any temporary aggravation. If certain people remain relatively well-known and affluent, they will probably affect ignorance of what you know they did. Dont let that faze you either. They dont make more friends as they do this shit, they make less. Hold fast and you will be fine.

55 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 29, 2014 11:10:50pm

The life of a teacher in China:

I gave a final exam last Wednesday and got some interesting results. What would be your first idea looking at these distributions?

Class 1 - average 71%
Mark Frequency
91-100 xxxx
81-90 xxxxx
71-80 xxxxxxx
61-70 xxx
51-60 xxx
41-50 xxx
31-40 x

Class 2 - average 90%
Mark Frequency
91-100 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
81-90 xxx
71-80
61-70 x
51-60 xxx
41-50
31-40

Note: Class 1 took the same exam as Class 2, two hours earlier.

56 Lancelot Link  Jun 29, 2014 11:13:18pm

re: #33 Aunty Entity Dragon

The founder of Blackwater, Eric Prince, is the brother of Betsy DeVos, who is married to a VP of Amway. They are serious wingnut fanatics who use their considerable financial resources to get rid of public schools and set up wingnut charter schools that fleece tax payer dollars to provide fundamentalist Christian education. I did an extensive paper on her various astroturf “charities” a couple of years ago. Stuff like “All Children Matter” and “American Federation for Children” which don’t seem to have emloyees but still spend millions in union busting (and paying fines for breaking campign finance laws).

Great family.

The DeVos family also included 2 of the 3 biggest individual financial contributors to the Republican party. They also are behind the American Family Association. I consider them an even more pernicious influence on the US than Sheldon Adelson or the Koch brothers.

57 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 11:23:41pm

YOLO

58 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 11:26:51pm

Bad.

59 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 11:28:28pm
60 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 11:28:48pm
61 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 11:29:01pm
62 klys  Jun 29, 2014 11:29:12pm

re: #55 wheat-dogghazi

The life of a teacher in China:

I gave a final exam last Wednesday and got some interesting results. What would be your first idea looking at these distributions?

Class 1 - average 71%
Mark Frequency
91-100 xxxx
81-90 xxxxx
71-80 xxxxxxx
61-70 xxx
51-60 xxx
41-50 xxx
31-40 x

Class 2 - average 90%
Mark Frequency
91-100 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
81-90 xxx
71-80
61-70 x
51-60 xxx
41-50
31-40

Note: Class 1 took the same exam as Class 2, two hours earlier.

Well. Umm.

It looks like 7 people in Class 2 weren’t hooked into the pipeline.

63 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 11:29:33pm
64 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 11:29:58pm
65 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 11:31:31pm
66 Gus  Jun 29, 2014 11:37:00pm

Boop.

67 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 29, 2014 11:54:19pm

re: #62 klys

Well. Umm.

It looks like 7 people in Class 2 weren’t hooked into the pipeline.

They had access, but they resisted the temptation. The students ‘fessed up to getting answers from someone in class 1. I tossed out the entire exam and used their marks from the midterm test to calculate their final exam grade. There is no cheating policy here, at least one that is enforced, so my only weapons are humiliation and the crappy grades they got on the midterm.

68 Charles Johnson  Jun 29, 2014 11:58:09pm
69 klys  Jun 30, 2014 12:09:10am

re: #67 wheat-dogghazi

They had access, but they resisted the temptation. The students ‘fessed up to getting answers from someone in class 1. I tossed out the entire exam and used their marks from the midterm test to calculate their final exam grade. There is no cheating policy here, at least one that is enforced, so my only weapons are humiliation and the crappy grades they got on the midterm.

Heh, I confess I would have given the 7 (slightly) higher marks for honesty.

70 Gus  Jun 30, 2014 12:10:08am
71 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 30, 2014 12:20:53am

re: #69 klys

Heh, I confess I would have given the 7 (slightly) higher marks for honesty.

They all did better on the midterm than on the final, so they got rewarded anyway, but I had the same thought. My respect for them has gotten a boost, though.

What pisses me off is that the exam was not even that difficult. It was a listening test that was going to be averaged with their speaking test the week before. They all just wanted a high mark. Trouble is, they didn’t think ahead far enough and realize I would notice everyone had the same answers, practically word for word.

72 klys  Jun 30, 2014 12:24:00am

re: #71 wheat-dogghazi

They all did better on the midterm than on the final, so they got rewarded anyway, but I had the same thought. My respect for them has gotten a boost, though.

What pisses me off is that the exam was not even that difficult. It was a listening test that was going to be averaged with their speaking test the week before. They all just wanted a high mark. Trouble is, they didn’t think ahead far enough and realize I would notice everyone had the same answers, practically word for word.

You mean you aren’t supposed to get deja vu?

//

73 Floral Giraffe  Jun 30, 2014 12:40:47am

re: #61 Gus

Puffin!!!
:)

74 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 30, 2014 12:53:20am

re: #72 klys

You mean you aren’t supposed to get deja vu?

//

I’ve been teaching 30 years. The students are not getting any more clever about cheating. Cellphones, the Internet and cameras make the initial act of cheating very easy, of course. But the follow-through lacks any imagination or planning. They all put down the same answers (some missed a word or two) for all the questions, and did not stop to wonder if I would notice everyone getting in the 90’s.

I’ve taught writing courses here, too. Chinese undergraduates (and even some graduate students) have zero comprehension of plagiarism, what it is, how not to do it, and why it’s so bad. I made one guy redo his paper four times before he finally caught on to what i was trying to teach him.

75 klys  Jun 30, 2014 1:04:12am

re: #74 wheat-dogghazi

I’ve been teaching 30 years. The students are not getting any more clever about cheating. Cellphones, the Internet and cameras make the initial act of cheating very easy, of course. But the follow-through lacks any imagination or planning. They all put down the same answers (some missed a word or two) for all the questions, and did not stop to wonder if I would notice everyone getting in the 90’s.

I’ve taught writing courses here, too. Chinese undergraduates (and even some graduate students) have zero comprehension of plagiarism, what it is, how not to do it, and why it’s so bad. I made one guy redo his paper four times before he finally caught on to what i was trying to teach him.

I worked at a chem tutorial center in undergrad.

Someone carved formulas for an organic exam into a pencil.

76 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 30, 2014 1:09:59am

re: #75 klys

I worked at a chem tutorial center in undergrad.

Someone carved formulas for an organic exam into a pencil.

I had a physics prof in grad school whose policy was to provide the equations to everyone. He said working physicists don’t always carry the equations in their heads. That’s what books are for.

I never took Orgo, but I heard plenty of stories from chem and ChEng majors who did. Some of them ended up former chem/ChEng majors.

77 klys  Jun 30, 2014 1:13:24am

re: #76 wheat-dogghazi

I had a physics prof in grad school whose policy was to provide the equations to everyone. He said working physicists don’t always carry the equations in their heads. That’s what books are for.

I never took Orgo, but I heard plenty of stories from chem and ChEng majors who did. Some of them ended up former chem/ChEng majors.

The thing is there’s so many you’re supposed to know that it’s stupid. You can’t fit them all on 20 pencils, let alone one.

Orgo was my least favorite chemistry class. Well, possibly also inorganic which was “orgo with one transition metal thrown in for good measure.”

78 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 30, 2014 1:43:29am

re: #77 klys

I know just enough chem to teach very elementary stuff for high school. Wisely, no one ever required me to teach the subject full time.

79 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 30, 2014 3:59:41am

I am now getting individual apologies from the students in that class. They all seem quite contrite.

80 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 4:07:20am

Monday again…

81 Flounder  Jun 30, 2014 4:13:09am

Apparently, dog piles can kill during a church service.

State Police said Jason M. Berg, 44, of Indian Lake entered St. Mary’s Church on state Route 28N around 4:43 p.m. and started shouting obscenities and throwing objects at parishioners. Two people in the crowd were injured by the objects and had to be treated at Glens Falls Hospital.

As Berg allegedly started advancing toward the church’s priest, several parishioners restrained him. As Berg violently resisted, he became unresponsive and an ambulance was called. State Police and Hamilton County Sheriff’s deputies also responded.

Police said Berg was armed with a loaded .45 caliber pistol, spare magazine and a pocket knife.

82 Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2014 4:22:37am

re: #17 Testy Toad T

If we had the Bush-memo photoshoppers active against the far-left/right these days, we could probably convince them that toads are a Secret Master Race from the Moon, or something.

Pathetically lazy people, both in real-world effort and intellectual curiosity. It’s so sad. They’re not stupid, per se. They could contribute so much more, most of them.

I keep trying to repeat a line from Starship Troopers to make myself feel better about these people: “They aren’t stupid, just ignorant and prejudiced by their environment.”

It never seems to work though.

83 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 4:26:52am
84 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 4:30:15am

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Match girls’ strike 125 years on: How Bryant & May workers changed the world

Back in 1888, merciless bosses ruled the Bryant & May factory with a rod of iron - sick women were chucked away like spent matches.

White sulphur in the manufacture of the burning tips poisoned the workers, their hair falling out and a terrible condition known as “phossy jaw” horribly disfiguring faces.

Pay as low as four shillings - 20p - for a week of 12-hour days was worth the equivalent of just £17.40 in today’s buying power.

Draconian fines were imposed too if a worker turned up late or even dropped matches.

Prominent social reformer Annie Besant detailed the awful conditions in The Link, a campaigning Left-wing newspaper.

She savaged the owners including Theodore Bryant, a prominent Liberal who had the gall to dock a shilling from wage packets to erect a statue near the factory to his hero William Gladstone.

“Such is a bald account of one form of white slavery as it exists in London,” fumed Besant.

“With chattel slaves Mr Bryant couldn’t have made his huge fortune, for he could not have fed, clothed, and housed them for four shillings a week each, and they would have had a definite money value which would have served as a protection.

“But who cares for the fate of these white wage slaves?

“Born in slums, driven to work as children, undersized because underfed, oppressed because helpless, flung aside as soon as worked out.

“Who cares if they die, provided only that the Bryant & May shareholders get their 23 per cent?”

HURR HURR YOONYUN THUGZ!!!!!! BRYANT & MAY WERE GOOD JRRB CREEYATERZ!!!!!!

85 Romantic Heretic  Jun 30, 2014 4:36:16am

re: #84 Pie-onist Overlord

Well, since I’m certain the Supreme Court is going to give unions a kick in the nuts today, it looks like we’re going to have to start all over again.

Ten Reasons to Hate Unions

86 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 4:36:37am

Has Think Progress made any comment on their graphic being used to defame Charles?

87 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 4:38:26am
88 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 4:46:01am

My boss was here all night trying to restore the servers after a controlled power outage yesterday.

Everything seems to be back up and running, but there are parts missing from the spare servers on my desk.

My boss just went home for the day.

SO GLAD I don’t do production support any more.

89 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 4:50:07am

That’s only because McDaniel got a grade of ZZZ-

90 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 4:50:19am

Charles, I’m sorry people are playing so fast, loose, and dishonestly with your reputation. But they’re also doing the same with their own, although with a different motive.

This post is why the internet is becoming more and more of a cesspool. Stuff gets out so fast and it takes up so much time trying to rebut lies, accusations and innuendo. It’s one thing I noticed when I first started on the internet in 2004 in a chat room that was full of relatively decent folks and changed over the time I was there. Then I discovered blogs, most of which were pretty straight-forward, but found those which also dealt in hyperbole and were less than honest in their analysis.

We’ve always had the “yellow” press, but what color do you call this kind of shit? Brown? It’s what happens when the real ethics of good journalism are thrown to the wind and someone’s personal notion on “new journalism” takes hold. Whenever I see that term, “new journalism”, I become very wary. However you see “democracy”, it’s not making shit up as you go along, which many of these types tend to do, because you’re working from a foundation someone before you worked on. It’s how the human race progresses—we don’t build on fantasies made up out of thin air.

We know who the #1 proponents of “new journalism” are, also. All you have to do these days to be a journalist is to proclaim yourself one, it seems. You write and want to call yourself a writer? Fine by me, but don’t categorize yourself as something you aren’t. If you write a blog and you have no training or experience in real journalism, why make up stuff about yourself just by calling yourself one? Writers also engage in fiction and these days, too many stray so far from the truth it’s bound to wind up in that category. You don’t even have to abide by the ethics of journalism or any other of its standards.

Just becoming a “journalist” by saying you’re one is like saying all you have to do to become a doctor, or a lawyer, or any other profession, is to proclaim yourself one.

Not from where I sit. Ever.

91 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2014 4:54:20am

re: #90 Justanotherhuman

Just becoming a “journalist” by saying you’re one is like saying all you have to do to become a doctor, or a lawyer, or any other profession, is to proclaim yourself one.

I proclaim myself Most Exalted Grand Poobah, First Lord of the Treasury, Lord Chief Justice, Commander-in-Chief, Lord High Admiral, Archbishop of Titipu, and Lord High Everything Else!!

It’s easy!

*headdesk*

92 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 4:55:41am
93 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2014 5:00:25am

re: #92 Pie-onist Overlord

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Graham Hancock?! Hoo boy, that’s some wacked-out stuff right there. That’s moving into outright lunacy territory. I’d bet she’s a David Icke fan, too.

94 Timothy Watson  Jun 30, 2014 5:00:51am

re: #30 Kragar

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Today a man owns a jackass worth fifty dollars and he is entitled to vote; but before the next election the jackass dies. The man in the mean time has become more experienced, his knowledge of the principles of government, and his acquaintance with mankind, are more extensive, and he is therefore better qualified to make a proper selection of rulers—But the jackass is dead and the man cannot vote. Now gentlemen, pray inform me, in whom is the right of suffrage? In the man or in the jackass?

—Benjamin Franklin

95 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 5:04:51am

re: #93 Dr Lizardo

Graham Hancock?! Hoo boy, that’s some wacked-out stuff right there. That’s moving into outright lunacy territory. I’d bet she’s a David Icke fan, too.

Yes she is. Just do a Google search. I’m not linking any of that shit here.

96 Jayleia  Jun 30, 2014 5:07:51am

(page removed since it deals with another user)

I hate to bring this up, because usually I love Gus and especially his ‘shops…but I have to point this one out, especially since it can directly affect me and my friends. This is not to accuse Gus of being one of these people, only to point out a potential problem to any unsuspecting websurfers.

Over in a comment Gus linked to a site called nametheproblem.

It would be unwise to consider that source remotely reliable.
Nametheproblem has its own problems

The nametheproblem site is especially vile since it specifically cites people whose sole noticeable “crime” against women (in the mind of Cathy Brennan) is to believe that transgender people deserve the same rights as cisgendered people…and then mixes their profiles in with men who murder and rape women and children.

A quick guide for in the wilds, whenever you see THIS line, or a variation: knowing that penis is male. , you are probably dealing with a particularly insidious type of moonbat called a Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist, or TERF for Twitter.

97 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 5:13:19am

FYI to Ted Cruz: “Religious Liberty” does not include control over another person’s “religious liberty.” That would mean the other person has no “religious liberty.”

98 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 5:22:40am

US Air Force B-52 Bombers Return to the UK

99 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 5:31:12am

So, is today the day we learn if women are full citizens under the law?

100 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 5:31:38am

re: #99 FemNaziBitch

So, is today the day we learn if women are full citizens under the law?

yep

101 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 30, 2014 5:32:39am

re: #97 Pie-onist Overlord

FYI to Ted Cruz: “Religious Liberty” does not include control over another person’s “religious liberty.” That would mean the other person has no “religious liberty.”

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People still buy the myth that the Pilgrims came here to seek “religiuos freedom” - as in the ability to impose their religious beliefs on others by law - something that Europe was not about to put up with back then.

102 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 5:33:05am

Temperature down, humidity up and it’s already raining in my part of the world.

Allergies as usual, suck.

Station: Chicago Area (Melrose Park), IL
Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Station Head(s): Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Date of Pollen and Mold Count: 06/30/2014

*********************************
Pollen & Mold Summary
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Trees: Low Concentration
Weeds: Low Concentration
Grass: Low Concentration
Mold: High Concentration

you?

103 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 5:34:11am

Yeah pulling a gun on your employer is a sure way to get them to guarantee equal pay or include birth control in your benefits package.

104 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 5:34:35am

ISIS declared calipahte?

What exactly does that mean?

Is that like Cesar declaring a Republic?

105 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 5:34:35am

re: #99 FemNaziBitch

So, is today the day we learn if women are full citizens under the law?

SCOTUS is scheduled to issue orders at 9:30 am (ET), followed by opinions at 10 am

106 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 5:35:16am

re: #96 Jayleia

(page removed since it deals with another user)

I hate to bring this up, because usually I love Gus and especially his ‘shops…but I have to point this one out, especially since it can directly affect me and my friends. This is not to accuse Gus of being one of these people, only to point out a potential problem to any unsuspecting websurfers.

Over in a comment Gus linked to a site called nametheproblem.

It would be unwise to consider that source remotely reliable.
Nametheproblem has its own problems

The nametheproblem site is especially vile since it specifically cites people whose sole noticeable “crime” against women (in the mind of Cathy Brennan) is to believe that transgender people deserve the same rights as cisgendered people…and then mixes their profiles in with men who murder and rape women and children.

A quick guide for in the wilds, whenever you see THIS line, or a variation: knowing that penis is male. , you are probably dealing with a particularly insidious type of moonbat called a Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist, or TERF for Twitter.

That Wiki link is some really weird stuff. Notice how it comes from an entirely male POV and immediately, in the first sentence, attacks “radical feminism”. I suppose I’m a TERF, however they want to hate me, even though no, I’m not homophobic and don’t care how people express themselves sexually within the bounds of consent. No amount of imagining, if you were born with intact male sex organs, will make you anything else even if you can change how you look, even if you resort to radical surgery and hormones for the rest of your life.

I don’t say this out of hate, I say it because women have far too little for ourselves than to have men intrude upon us, upon our very gender, even going so far as to glamorize what they’re doing in a paean to how they think women should look—lots of cosmetics, fancy clothes, etc which are not what makes a female a woman. We women are far too diverse to categorize our own selves that way.

As far as being a “radical feminist”, I also rejected that as a second wave feminist because it was too exclusionary and wound up as hate-filled for people I loved—my own sons.

107 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 5:36:29am

FOR THE RECORD—I believe that all humans can be feminists.

108 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 5:37:26am

re: #107 FemNaziBitch

FOR THE RECORD—I believe that all humans can should be feminists.

FTFMe

109 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 5:43:19am

I predict SCOTUS is going to find some way to leave it up to the States.

110 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 5:50:04am
111 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 5:51:27am

re: #97 Pie-onist Overlord

112 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 5:55:20am

re: #110 Pie-onist Overlord

Which would actually prove that Scalia doesn’t have any interest in originalist or strict constructionist views on the Constitution and the First Amendment. It would show that he puts certain religions above all others.

Even though I’m hoping that the Court rules against HL, I’ve got a feeling that Roberts is going to invent a new reason to leave this up to the states - that each state will be able to decide its own regulations as it sees fit. And that would once again leave women and minorities in the South (the area where the ACA would have the biggest improvement on access to health insurance since the South has the highest uninsured rates and worst health care among regions in the nation) at a disadvantage since the GOP has sought to hamstring all efforts to improve health insurance where they control.

113 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 5:58:40am

re: #108 FemNaziBitch

FTFMe

They do have to give up their positions of male privilege, though. Along with any gain acquired from a relationship with it. And once you have male privilege, the person generally thinks they’re entitled to it for life.

114 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 5:58:42am
115 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 5:59:54am

That ISN’T good enough, Hobby Lobby should have NO SAY in employees private healthcare decisions, any more that they can dictate to employees how they spend their paycheck.

116 Timothy Watson  Jun 30, 2014 6:00:06am

re: #112 lawhawk

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Which would actually prove that Scalia doesn’t have any interest in originalist or strict constructionist views on the Constitution and the First Amendment. It would show that he puts certain religions above all others.

Even though I’m hoping that the Court rules against HL, I’ve got a feeling that Roberts is going to invent a new reason to leave this up to the states - that each state will be able to decide its own regulations as it sees fit. And that would once again leave women and minorities in the South (the area where the ACA would have the biggest improvement on access to health insurance since the South has the highest uninsured rates and worst health care among regions in the nation) at a disadvantage since the GOP has sought to hamstring all efforts to improve health insurance where they control.

Anyone remember when conservatives attacked Pelosi for years for stating the following:

“So this is almost as if God has spoken. It’s an elementary discussion now. They have made the decision.”

But now, Scalia’s opinions are like stone tablets?

By the way, does Jonah remember what happened to the stone tablets?

117 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 6:00:20am

Guess I picked the right week to leave NOLA.

I will say, Law Enforcement did have a strong presence in the Quarter when I was there.

118 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 6:01:07am

True but NOT in the way you think, Todd.

119 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 6:02:34am

re: #112 lawhawk

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Which would actually prove that Scalia doesn’t have any interest in originalist or strict constructionist views on the Constitution and the First Amendment. It would show that he puts certain religions above all others.

Even though I’m hoping that the Court rules against HL, I’ve got a feeling that Roberts is going to invent a new reason to leave this up to the states - that each state will be able to decide its own regulations as it sees fit. And that would once again leave women and minorities in the South (the area where the ACA would have the biggest improvement on access to health insurance since the South has the highest uninsured rates and worst health care among regions in the nation) at a disadvantage since the GOP has sought to hamstring all efforts to improve health insurance where they control.

Yup, SCOTUS has always been wussies in regards to women’s rights.

120 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 6:05:14am
121 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 6:05:31am

Personally, I don’t think a person should be sick to the pit of their stomach with anxiety over a SCOTUS decision, but I am.

122 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 6:05:41am
123 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 6:06:44am
124 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 6:07:45am

125 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 6:08:18am
126 Timothy Watson  Jun 30, 2014 6:08:40am

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Someone with more guts than me should hold a civil disobedience protest on the steps of the building, get arrested, and sue the everloving **** out of the SCOTUS.

127 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 6:10:04am

SCOTUSblog live blog for today’s opinons is up now.
live.scotusblog.com

128 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 6:10:33am

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

SCOTUSblog live blog for today’s opinons is up now.
live.scotusblog.com

You are so awesome!

129 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 6:11:14am

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

They do have to give up their positions of male privilege, though. Along with any gain acquired from a relationship with it. And once you have male privilege, the person generally thinks they’re entitled to it for life.

Who raises these boys that become men?

130 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 30, 2014 6:14:38am

30 Years ago today-
Purple rain came out.
Gold was about $370, there was no internet, cell phones were bricks and…

Dragon_Lady and I got married. Best thing that ever happened to me.

131 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 6:14:41am

Lack of perspective, they haz it:

132 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 6:17:04am

re: #131 Lidane

Lack of perspective, they haz it:

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because having a TV reality show is everyone’s inalienable right.

:0

133 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 6:17:29am

re: #129 FemNaziBitch

Who raises these boys that become men?

Society raises us, whether we think it’s our parents or not. While we may be under the most influence from our parents, it’s not the only one, and for many kids, not the primary influence, esp as they get older.

134 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2014 6:17:36am

re: #95 Pie-onist Overlord

Yes she is. Just do a Google search. I’m not linking any of that shit here.

LOLOL

David Icke of reptoids from Draco fame.

*smh*

That’s some weapons-grade batshittery right there. If Icke were satirizing conspiracy theorists, I could see it - he’d be having a laugh at their expense. But I think he’s pretty serious - and that’s crazy with a capital “C”.

135 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 6:17:40am

FORGET ALL ABOUT YOUR STUPID HOBBY LOBBY!!!! THIS IS TEH REALS HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS!!!! THIS & NOTHING ELSE!!!!

136 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 6:21:10am

bbl

137 Charles Johnson  Jun 30, 2014 6:21:11am

WTF!

138 Dr Lizardo  Jun 30, 2014 6:21:13am

re: #131 Lidane

Lack of perspective, they haz it:

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LOLOLOL

First of all, the movie “Braveheart” is some first-rate historically inaccurate bullshit, though granted, it’s entertaining. It’s loosely inspired by the life of William Wallace. So loosely inspired it should be called “A Movie About Some Scottish Guy Who Looks Like Mel Gibson And Acts All Badass And Shit”.

As to D-Day…..oh hell no. Not getting a TV deal is not the same as plunging headlong into withering heavy automatic weapons and artillery fire. Not even close.

139 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 6:23:54am

“Dim Jim” retweeted this Derp:
DON’T WANT BOSSES HANDOUTS!!!!
So you don’t want a paycheck?

140 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 6:24:50am
141 Decatur Deb  Jun 30, 2014 6:24:51am

re: #115 Pie-onist Overlord

That ISN’T good enough, Hobby Lobby should have NO SAY in employees private healthcare decisions, any more that they can dictate to employees how they spend their paycheck.

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Employers should have nothing to do with their employees’ health care. Single payer.

142 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 6:24:54am

ASSHOLE OF THE DAY

Hobby Lobby CEO David Green has become a religious conservative hero for fighting the Obamacare contraceptive mandate. His lawyers have argued that some of the contraception methods required to be covered are abortifacients, meaning they effectively cause abortions, which violates his religion. The Supreme Court is currently deliberating on his case.

But funny thing— it turns out that the very same contraceptive methods he doesn’t want to cover are made by companies his 401K is invested in:

143 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 6:25:00am

re: #139 Pie-onist Overlord

“Dim Jim” retweeted this Derp:
DON’T WANT BOSSES HANDOUTS!!!!
So you don’t want a paycheck?

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Guys there to make sure the women do it “right”.

144 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 6:25:41am

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

That Wiki link is some really weird stuff. Notice how it comes from an entirely male POV and immediately, in the first sentence, attacks “radical feminism”. I suppose I’m a TERF, however they want to hate me, even though no, I’m not homophobic and don’t care how people express themselves sexually within the bounds of consent. No amount of imagining, if you were born with intact male sex organs, will make you anything else even if you can change how you look, even if you resort to radical surgery and hormones for the rest of your life.

I don’t say this out of hate, I say it because women have far too little for ourselves than to have men intrude upon us, upon our very gender, even going so far as to glamorize what they’re doing in a paean to how they think women should look—lots of cosmetics, fancy clothes, etc which are not what makes a female a woman. We women are far too diverse to categorize our own selves that way.

As far as being a “radical feminist”, I also rejected that as a second wave feminist because it was too exclusionary and wound up as hate-filled for people I loved—my own sons.

I have to completely disagree with you. Gender identity disorder is a real thing and people are born in the wrong bodies. It doesn’t affect me as a woman in any way. I’m all for transgender rights.

145 KerFuFFler  Jun 30, 2014 6:25:41am

re: #74 wheat-dogghazi

I’ve taught writing courses here, too. Chinese undergraduates (and even some graduate students) have zero comprehension of plagiarism, what it is, how not to do it, and why it’s so bad. I made one guy redo his paper four times before he finally caught on to what i was trying to teach him.

My husband has had similar problems with his students from China. He emphasizes at the outset of the course that plagiarism is forbidden and will be caught. But each term some students plagiarize and it is almost always Chinese students. The things is, they are bright hard-working students——-they just have never been taught that plagiarism is a problem before.

146 GunstarGreen  Jun 30, 2014 6:26:39am

re: #108 FemNaziBitch

While I believe that equality of all humans is the desirable end-goal, in order for “all humans should be feminists” to be viable, Feminism must first sort out the problems it has with a very vocal chunk of its community (however small it may be in actual terms; I’m not qualified to speculate on its size) using “male” as a pseudo-derogatory.

147 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 6:26:49am

re: #140 Lidane

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What the MRA’s don’t seen to realize that men benefit a great deal from birth control as well.

Controling population is the way Powerful men control less Powerful men thru their women. How to make a slave —make a man have to work so hard to provide for his children that he doesn’t have time to think, read or research and will vote any you tell him.

148 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 6:27:05am

re: #135 Pie-onist Overlord

The biggest violations of privacy rights come from the likes of Facebook and Google, which data mine every last bit of information you provide. Much of that data includes that which is passed on to third party groups but the big players are trying to squeeze out the smaller players to prevent competition. That has nothing to do with the NSA or privacy rights.

This is yet another in a long lines of Non sequiturs and purposefully misleading statements by Greenwald.

149 nsmith25  Jun 30, 2014 6:27:57am

What a day to get back to the realm of Lizzards. Been on a family vacation at a beach house with poor internet. For the next hour, I’ll be here and at TweetDeck hopefully not going crazy on the Hobby Lobby decision

#familyvacationproblems

150 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 6:29:41am

re: #144 Sionainn

I have to completely disagree with you. Gender identity disorder is a real thing and people are born in the wrong bodies. It doesn’t affect me as a woman in any way. I’m all for transgender rights.

Please explain what you mean by “born in the wrong bodies”.

That flies in the face of science, at least what we know.

151 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 6:32:06am

re: #150 Justanotherhuman

Please explain what you mean by “born in the wrong bodies”.

That flies in the face of science, at least what we know.

Actually, it doesn’t.

All fetuses are female until a “critical period” in which testosterone (IIRC) reaches the the part of the brain that then decides to make the fetus male. At that time the gonads drop and the sex organs change to male.

For me, it’s rather easy to see how this could get majory fubar’d in a percentage of fetuses.

152 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 30, 2014 6:32:20am

re: #150 Justanotherhuman

Please explain what you mean by “born in the wrong bodies”.

That flies in the face of science, at least what we know.

Transgenderism is strongly established in science.

First of all, there’s no ‘right’ body, except as established by how the person feels. The simple scientific truth is that people with transgender body dysphoria—people who feel that they’re in the ‘wrong’ body—feel better after they’ve transitioned gender.

That’s the whole story right there. It doesn’t matter what causes this—there’s probably a lot of different causes. What matters is the result: transgender people really are happier being their ‘chosen’ gender.

Why is there any sort of problem with this?

153 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 6:34:19am

They have denied the two cases from CA regarding a state law that prohibits conversion therapy for minors who are gay. This is a ban that applies only to those under 18.
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154 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 6:35:21am

re: #151 FemNaziBitch

Actually, it doesn’t.

All fetuses are female until a “critical period” in which testosterone (IIRC) reaches the the part of the brain that then decides to make the fetus male. At that time the gonads drop and the sex organs change to male.

For me, it’s rather easy to see how this could get majory fubar’d in a percentage of fetuses.

Then why call what you said “science”?

155 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 6:35:56am
The testes begin as an immigration of primordial germ cells into testicular cords along the gonadal ridge in the abdomen of the early embryo. The interaction of several male genes organizes this developing gonad into a testis rather than an ovary by the second month of gestation. During the 3rd to 5th months, the cells in the testes differentiate into testosterone-producing Leydig cells, and anti-Müllerian hormone-producing Sertoli cells. The germ cells in this environment become fetal spermatogonia. Male external genitalia develop during the 3rd and 4th months of gestation and the fetus continues to grow, develop, and differentiate.
156 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 6:36:27am

re: #154 Justanotherhuman

Then why call what you said “science”?

WHAT?

Biology is science —no?

157 Charles Johnson  Jun 30, 2014 6:37:05am
158 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 6:37:14am

Looks like I might have to purge my Facebook again. Too much derp.

159 darthstar  Jun 30, 2014 6:37:23am

Mornin’ everyone.

Best gun responsibility commercial ever.

Youtube Video

160 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 6:37:33am

re: #156 FemNaziBitch

WHAT?

Biology is science —no?

Biology is science—“feelings” aren’t.

I can feel “entitled”—doesn’t mean I am.

161 FemNaziBitch  Jun 30, 2014 6:37:48am

bbl -really

162 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 6:38:00am

The resentment against the poors is just not understandable.

163 AntonSirius  Jun 30, 2014 6:38:37am

re: #97 Pie-onist Overlord

FYI to Ted Cruz: “Religious Liberty” does not include control over another person’s “religious liberty.” That would mean the other person has no “religious liberty.”

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164 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 6:40:32am

re:
#151

All fetuses are female until a “critical period” in which testosterone (IIRC) reaches the the part of the brain that then decides to make the fetus male. At that time the gonads drop and the sex organs change to male.

Unpossible!!!11

Each precious sperm cell thing includes a whole person, male or female!!!111 Bible says so!!1

165 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 6:40:39am

So, who wrote the opinion for Hobby Lobby, then? Any speculation? Scalia?

Is there any principle or rule which governs which of the two final cases are announced first?
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Amy Howe

Ah, a common question. The Justices announce their decisions in order of reverse seniority, so the first decision will come from the more junior of the two authors this morning. (Assuming we get two opinions of course, which is what we expect but is certainly not guaranteed.)

9:39 AM

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166 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 6:41:33am

The court has denied two cases from CA regarding a state law that prohibits conversion therapy for minors who are gay. These relate to a ban that applies only to those under 18.

So there’s that.

167 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 6:43:44am

The Court also denied three cases involving California’s low carbon fuels standards regulations. It was an effort to restrict California’s efforts to regulate greenhouse gases emitted from motor fuel.
by Amy Howe 9:42 AM
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168 AntonSirius  Jun 30, 2014 6:44:08am

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

I don’t say this out of hate, I say it because women have far too little for ourselves than to have men intrude upon us, upon our very gender, even going so far as to glamorize what they’re doing in a paean to how they think women should look—lots of cosmetics, fancy clothes, etc which are not what makes a female a woman. We women are far too diverse to categorize our own selves that way.

I guess you don’t see the contradiction in “the transgendered shouldn’t count as women” and “women are too diverse to categorize!”

Also, this ‘logic’ is basically the same as the argument used to defend “traditional marriage” against same-sex marriage.

169 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 6:44:40am

in court news elsewhere:

170 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 6:46:01am

re: #168 AntonSirius

I guess you don’t see the contradiction in “the transgendered shouldn’t count as women” and “women are too diverse to categorize!”

Also, this ‘logic’ is basically the same as the argument used to defend “traditional marriage” against same-sex marriage.

Absolutely not even close.

171 Alyosha  Jun 30, 2014 6:47:17am

I am constantly tempted to join the Twitter Wars but refrain because there are so many arguments supporting the view that there is very little free exchange of reasoned argument that measurably changes opinions.

But I have not heard one argument that makes it clear that reasoned people ought to cede the Twittersphere to the bugfucknuts.

I hope my moral support suffices.

172 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 6:48:07am

The protests over at SCOTUS have brought out the cosplay:

173 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 30, 2014 6:49:22am

For some reason, the New Comment, Reply and Quote buttons are not working for me. I was trying to reply to KerFuFFler’s 145. So all the linkage is manually done here.

My husband has had similar problems with his students from China. He emphasizes at the outset of the course that plagiarism is forbidden and will be caught. But each term some students plagiarize and it is almost always Chinese students. The things is, they are bright hard-working students——-they just have never been taught that plagiarism is a problem before.

There’s two reasons for this situation. One is cultural, and the other pedagogical.

Chinese culture prizes familiarity with the classics and with famous writers. Students get a lot of this reading all through their schooling. To quote a classic work or author verbatim is considered acceptable, because the writer assumes the reader is also familiar with the source material. No citation is expected. Unfortunately, this contradicts the Western custom of citing everything, even classical works.

Students, meanwhile, get virtually no instruction on writing college-ready essays or term papers (especially in English) through their middle school years. In college, our students get a very cursory introduction to academic writing before they are expected to churn out 8,000-word English graduation theses. When I taught them writing, I tried — in one term — to compress what some Americans learn from 7th grade on. Their Chinese teachers, leading the same course, made no such effort, as far as I can tell.

174 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 30, 2014 6:50:27am

re: #160 Justanotherhuman

Biology is science—“feelings” aren’t.

I can feel “entitled”—doesn’t mean I am.

But how do you argue against the fact that transgendered people, scientifically measured, feel better after gender reassignment surgery?

This is kind of like gayness: It really doesn’t matter if someone is ‘born’ gay or if environmental factors play a role. What does it matter, if the end result is living their life that way makes them happy?

175 Bulworth  Jun 30, 2014 6:51:19am

re:
#172

Sounds totally sensible and reasoned. /

176 Charles Johnson  Jun 30, 2014 6:52:48am
177 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 6:52:53am

re: #174 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

But how do you argue against the fact that transgendered people, scientifically measured, feel better after gender reassignment surgery?

This is kind of like gayness: It really doesn’t matter if someone is ‘born’ gay or if environmental factors play a role. What does it matter, if the end result is living their life that way makes them happy?

Scientifically measured? Do you have a link?

178 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 6:53:09am

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

That Wiki link is some really weird stuff. Notice how it comes from an entirely male POV and immediately, in the first sentence, attacks “radical feminism”. I suppose I’m a TERF, however they want to hate me, even though no, I’m not homophobic and don’t care how people express themselves sexually within the bounds of consent. No amount of imagining, if you were born with intact male sex organs, will make you anything else even if you can change how you look, even if you resort to radical surgery and hormones for the rest of your life.

I don’t say this out of hate, I say it because women have far too little for ourselves than to have men intrude upon us, upon our very gender, even going so far as to glamorize what they’re doing in a paean to how they think women should look—lots of cosmetics, fancy clothes, etc which are not what makes a female a woman. We women are far too diverse to categorize our own selves that way.

As far as being a “radical feminist”, I also rejected that as a second wave feminist because it was too exclusionary and wound up as hate-filled for people I loved—my own sons.

Um…I happen to be a transgendered woman. You would do better to actually talk to one of us before making a blanket statement about our perspective on gender.

179 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 6:56:32am

The five-minute-to-sitting buzzer has been sounded.
by lylden 9:55 AM
Comment

Any orders issuing from today’s post-opinion Conference will be released at 9:30 tomorrow morning. The Court will not be on the bench.
by lylden 9:55 AM
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180 AntonSirius  Jun 30, 2014 6:56:33am

re: #170 Justanotherhuman

Absolutely not even close.

Then explain why considering the transgendered as women impacts your rights in any way.

181 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 6:57:00am
182 Alyosha  Jun 30, 2014 6:57:16am

re: #176 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

To the Greenbots there is no such thing as context or truth. That attention-whore shits out a smear and those nutters treat it like its a Papal Bull.

In the meme-world it’s like watching a kind of malignant immune response. It’d be far more interesting if it weren’t so disgusting.

183 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 6:58:41am

three boxes of opinions…

184 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 6:59:03am

3 boxes of opinions (for what I think should be two cases), which means that someone ended up writing one heck of a dissent (and I’m betting that’ll be Scalia).

185 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 7:00:16am

re: #184 lawhawk

3 boxes of opinions (for what I think should be two cases), which means that someone ended up writing one heck of a dissent (and I’m betting that’ll be Scalia).

Oh wow. This should be interesting.

186 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 7:00:35am

LOLWUT

187 AntonSirius  Jun 30, 2014 7:01:28am

re: #184 lawhawk

3 boxes of opinions (for what I think should be two cases), which means that someone ended up writing one heck of a dissent (and I’m betting praying that’ll be Scalia).

Fixed that for me. I don’t have enough confidence in SCOTUS to lay that kind of action.

188 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 7:01:29am

re: #170 Justanotherhuman

Absolutely not even close.

Really? How so? Again, I’m asking as one of those trans women who you don’t think count as a real woman.

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:02:23am

Harris is first

190 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 7:02:53am

Alito wrote both decisions; Harris is first.

191 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 7:03:16am

re: #190 lawhawk

Alito wrote both decisions; Harris is first.

This sounds bad. really bad.

192 Charles Johnson  Jun 30, 2014 7:03:27am
193 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 30, 2014 7:03:38am
194 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:03:42am
195 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 7:04:23am

Employee unions cannot require dues, but not gutted.

196 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:04:51am

The vote is 5-4.
by Amy Howe 10:04 AM

This case does not involve full-fledged public employees, the Court notes.
by Amy Howe 10:03 AM

The Court does not overrule Abood. That opinion has questionable foundations, so we reverse to extend Abood to the situation here.
by Amy Howe 10:03 AM

This is a substantial obstacle to expanding public employee unions, but it does not gut them.
by tgoldstein 10:03 AM

In Harris, the Court refuses to extend Abood. These employees can’t be required to contribute to unions.
by tgoldstein 10:02 AM

- See more at: live.scotusblog.com

197 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 7:04:51am

Employees can’t be required to contribute to unions; Court refuses to extend Abood. It makes it tougher to expand public employee unions.

Once again, this Court rules against worker rights in a substantive fashion, which bodes poorly for the Hobby Lobby case IMO.

198 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 7:04:59am

re: #180 AntonSirius

Then explain why considering the transgendered as women impacts your rights in any way.

Are you saying that when they lived as males they never had rights?

A lot more than any female has ever had. Women have had to actually fight for the right to vote, the right to equal wages, the right to be treated in an equal way with men—socially, politically, economically—and we’re still doing it.

199 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 7:05:26am
200 Jayleia  Jun 30, 2014 7:05:56am

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

That Wiki link is some really weird stuff. Notice how it comes from an entirely male POV and immediately, in the first sentence, attacks “radical feminism”. I suppose I’m a TERF, however they want to hate me, even though no, I’m not homophobic and don’t care how people express themselves sexually within the bounds of consent. No amount of imagining, if you were born with intact male sex organs, will make you anything else even if you can change how you look, even if you resort to radical surgery and hormones for the rest of your life.

I wouldn’t classify you as such. But its not just sexuality, they object to identifying as such. They object to having a job, and ID card with your identity on it, to receiving medical care that is the only reliable treatment for your condition.

I don’t say this out of hate, I say it because women have far too little for ourselves than to have men intrude upon us, upon our very gender, even going so far as to glamorize what they’re doing in a paean to how they think women should look—lots of cosmetics, fancy clothes, etc which are not what makes a female a woman. We women are far too diverse to categorize our own selves that way

Yes, transgender people glamorize it so much, that they’re more likely to be suicidal, unemployed or employed as sex workers (because jrrbs don’t hire THOSE kind of people), and sexually assaulted and murdered than almost other category of people.

No really, that’s just in KT realms of wrong, transgender is not glamorous (at least for NOBODY I’ve ever met). Most of us would move heaven and earth to be cisgendered, but we’re not, and we can’t be. The only treatment for it that I know of that’s been shown to work reliably is for someone to be able to express their identity as far as they feel comfortable with. Never mind that many don’t dress up like you seem to think they do, I mean, if your idea of transgender is RuPaul, he’s not even one of us.

As far as being a “radical feminist”, I also rejected that as a second wave feminist because it was too exclusionary and wound up as hate-filled for people I loved—my own sons.

And the TERF ideology is essentially a second wave rehash, though directed almost purely at the T in the LGBT, in fact, they often ally with MRAs and other authoritarian right-wingers to attack male-to-female trans people. They do nothing that I’ve ever seen to help women, only to hurt who they see as men and those who they see as traitors to women.

She’s not doing this just because she believes in it, she’s doing it because she’s a full-on sadist. And she would do it to your children too.

201 lawhawk  Jun 30, 2014 7:06:15am

re: #192 Charles Johnson

202 GunstarGreen  Jun 30, 2014 7:06:24am

re: #197 lawhawk

Employees can’t be required to contribute to unions; Court refuses to extend Abood. It makes it tougher to expand public employee unions.

Once again, this Court rules against worker rights in a substantive fashion, which bodes poorly for the Hobby Lobby case IMO.

I’ll take “Free Rider Problem” for 500, Alex!

203 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 7:07:19am

re: #150 Justanotherhuman

Please explain what you mean by “born in the wrong bodies”.

That flies in the face of science, at least what we know.

When someone feels that are the wrong gender and hate their bodies because they don’t match what they feel, that’s a huge problem. It’s why people take hormones and have surgery and make the decision to live their lives as the gender they feel they should have been born with.

It’s not weird, it’s not disgusting, and it in no way affects me, other than seeing people I love discriminated against due to being transgender.

204 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 30, 2014 7:07:21am

re: #198 Justanotherhuman

Are you saying that when they lived as males they never had rights?

A lot more than any female has ever had. Women have had to actually fight for the right to vote, the right to equal wages, the right to be treated in an equal way with men—socially, politically, economically—and we’re still doing it.

Yes, I had rights as a male. I had to voluntarily give up these rights when I transitioned to being a female. Understanding male privilege and what I would surrender was part of the counseling process. Again, talk to a trans woman before you make these statements.

205 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 30, 2014 7:09:03am

The Harris opinion is here.

206 Lidane  Jun 30, 2014 7:09:15am

ASSHOLE:

Typical RWNJ defense of slavery. WTF.

207 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 30, 2014 7:14:27am

re: #177 Justanotherhuman

Scientifically measured? Do you have a link?

Sure.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Allowing for the restrictive methodology of the (ex post facto) study, it is concluded that there is no reason to doubt the therapeutic effect of sex reassignment surgery.

208 AntonSirius  Jun 30, 2014 7:15:13am

re: #198 Justanotherhuman

Are you saying that when they lived as males they never had rights?

A lot more than any female has ever had. Women have had to actually fight for the right to vote, the right to equal wages, the right to be treated in an equal way with men—socially, politically, economically—and we’re still doing it.

Hold on. I am not attacking you - if you check, I gave you a plus 1 on your initial post on this because it seemed clear you were honestly expressing what might be an unpopular opinion.

Answering my question with a question seems to indicate you’re getting defensive, and I don’t want this to turn into a war or anything.

My analogy to the “traditional marriage” position is based on this: just as providing the right to marry to same-sex couples doesn’t in any way impact people in opposite-sex marriages, I simply don’t see how providing transgendered women with the same rights as cisgendered women in any way impacts the rights of cisgendered women.

So I’ll ask again: do you think providing those rights to the transgendered does impact the rights of “natural born” women? And if so, why?

209 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jun 30, 2014 7:15:36am

re: #198 Justanotherhuman

Are you saying that when they lived as males they never had rights?

A lot more than any female has ever had. Women have had to actually fight for the right to vote, the right to equal wages, the right to be treated in an equal way with men—socially, politically, economically—and we’re still doing it.

You think transgender women have an easy road?

210 Justanotherhuman  Jun 30, 2014 7:16:15am

re: #204 Aunty Entity Dragon

Yes, I had rights as a male. I had to voluntarily give up these rights when I transitioned to being a female. Understanding male privilege and what I would surrender was part of the counseling process. Again, talk to a trans woman before you make these statements.

Why are most transgendered people male to female?

I don’t understand this whatsoever. I haven’t always been happy as a woman, but that hinged more on being subjected to injustice as a woman which is why I was a “Second Wave” feminist and still think women don’t have enough rights, not because I wanted to physically be a man.

Why would I want to be a man? I just don’t get the thinking behind any of it.

211 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 30, 2014 7:23:45am

re: #210 Justanotherhuman

Why are most transgendered people male to female?

This is a big, complicated question nobody knows the answer to and has a ton of factors to it.

I don’t understand this whatsoever. I haven’t always been happy as a woman, but that hinged more on being subjected to injustice as a woman which is why I was a “Second Wave” feminist and still think women don’t have enough rights, not because I wanted to physically be a man.

Transgender people want to be physically the other sex. It’s not just about unhappiness with role. [Edit: the extent to which they wish to transition varies wildly, and there are plenty of queer folk who identify as no gender]

Why would I want to be a man? I just don’t get the thinking behind any of it.

It’s not thinking. It’s not a rational choice. It’s feeling. This is kind of like asking “Why would someone want to be gay.”

212 Alyosha  Jun 30, 2014 7:24:45am

re: #210 Justanotherhuman

You don’t understand it because you don’t have the experience of identifying as a gender other than the one you currently identify with, which also happens to dovetail with how you experience yourself as a fully-realised being.

To those with the desire to fully realise their gender, the ins-and-outs and politicking of sex and established norms and privileges are secondary to being at one with themselves.

There’s no choice.


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