Creationist Neurosurgeon Ben Carson: Legal Abortions Are Exactly Like Human Sacrifice

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Young Earth creationist neurosurgeon (a phrase that gives me chills to write) Dr. Ben Carson keeps getting farther and farther out. Here he is on a fanatical religious right webcast, comparing legal abortion to human sacrifice. Carson thinks we have no right to criticize ancient civilizations like the Aztecs, when we’re doing the exact same thing.

Carson is a shoo-in for the GOP presidential nomination. This is where the Republican Party has ended up.

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1 thedopefishlives  Jul 1, 2014 7:00:08pm

Okay, dipshit, listen up and listen good. This bullshit is NOT helping your cause. And yes, I say “your” cause, even though I’m a Christian, because you do not speak for me or for many people I know. You have completely lost touch with reality and with the teachings of Jesus, and you need to just STFD, STFU, and maybe think about what you say before you say it, because this is just fucking stupid.

2 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 1, 2014 7:01:02pm

MOZART: Invest your money in tulips, just like I did!

(Actually I don’t know if Mozart invested in tulips but he died broke, of alcohol poisoning, because they didn’t have cocaine or heroin in the 1700’s)

3 Kid A  Jul 1, 2014 7:01:11pm

“If we can correct this one…”

Oh, what the fuck?

4 jaunte  Jul 1, 2014 7:03:14pm

Ben Carson is a wealthy neurosurgeon and the author of six bestselling books. Although committed to forced birth, he is unwilling to use any of his $10 million net worth to adopt any unwanted children to raise as his own.

5 thedopefishlives  Jul 1, 2014 7:03:23pm

Yes, I’m a little fired up, why do you ask?

6 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 7:03:33pm
Carson is a shoe-in for the GOP presidential nomination. This is where the Republican Party has ended up.

Granted, he has avoided the question of his presidential aspirations and has rebuffed interviewers on this subject. Still, there’s lots of people buying radio ads on AM talk radio urging him to run.

He should run! All the crazies should run, like in 2012! I’m fairly certain that if Cruz or Carson isn’t nominated, it’s going to be some “squish” like Jeb Bush. Hell, in the governors primary here in Colorado the primary voters picked the squishiest of the lot, and there were plenty of mouth breathers vying for the nomination.

7 Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2014 7:04:17pm
8 ramex  Jul 1, 2014 7:04:31pm

Why is Ben Carson putting down the Aztec’s sincerely held religious beliefs?

9 thedopefishlives  Jul 1, 2014 7:04:57pm

re: #8 ramex

Why is Ben Carson putting down the Aztec’s sincerely held religious beliefs?

It’s okay. They’re not a corporation, therefore they don’t have rights.

10 jaunte  Jul 1, 2014 7:05:29pm
11 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 7:07:35pm

Good luck trying to convince the fundies of this Kristen.

12 thedopefishlives  Jul 1, 2014 7:07:42pm

re: #10 jaunte

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This is a discussion I had with one of my more liberal Christian friends right after Hobby Lobby went through. We’re so fed up with how the self-appointed spokespeople for Christianity are blindly spouting conservative Republican political views and not thinking about the theological implications. They don’t speak for me, they certainly don’t speak for Jesus, and we both have had enough.

13 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 1, 2014 7:08:19pm

re: #1 thedopefishlives

Okay, dipshit, listen up and listen good. This bullshit is NOT helping your cause. And yes, I say “your” cause, even though I’m a Christian, because you do not speak for me or for many people I know. You have completely lost touch with reality and with the teachings of Jesus, and you need to just STFD, STFU, and maybe think about what you say before you say it, because this is just fucking stupid.

Fish, we really wish you would clearly express your position, and not try to sugar coat it.

I think this upcoming presidental primary season is going to be amusing, as they all move farther and farther to the right, and scary as hell, because they are pandering to the people most likely to vote in primaries. Good news, a 12 y/o with smart phone can handle the oppo research for the Democratic party when the general election comes around.

Me… I’m hoping for a Palin / Carson ticket myself.

RBS

14 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 7:09:25pm

I don’t think comment #11 is grammatically correct. Fuck it, it’s a goddamn internet comment.

15 CriticalDragon1177  Jul 1, 2014 7:10:19pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson


16 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 7:10:35pm

re: #13 RealityBasedSteve

Me… I’m hoping for a Palin / Carson ticket myself.

RBS

Cruz / Gohmert !!!

17 thedopefishlives  Jul 1, 2014 7:11:06pm

re: #13 RealityBasedSteve

Fish, we really wish you would clearly express your position, and not try to sugar coat it.

I know you’re being facetious, but in all seriousness, the time is long since past for sugar-coating and mincing words. This pseudo-Christian bullshit has gone on far longer than “long enough”. Somebody’s got to take a stand, why not me?

18 CriticalDragon1177  Jul 1, 2014 7:13:02pm

re: #1 thedopefishlives

Okay, dipshit, listen up and listen good. This bullshit is NOT helping your cause. And yes, I say “your” cause, even though I’m a Christian, because you do not speak for me or for many people I know. You have completely lost touch with reality and with the teachings of Jesus, and you need to just STFD, STFU, and maybe think about what you say before you say it, because this is just fucking stupid.

I have a feeling that Ben Carson would insist that you’re not a “true Christian.” He’d probably think you’re a wolf in sheep’s clothing, hear to lead the flock astray.

19 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 1, 2014 7:13:11pm
20 Kid A  Jul 1, 2014 7:14:14pm

re: #16 teleskiguy

Cruz / Gohmert !!!

21 thedopefishlives  Jul 1, 2014 7:14:48pm

re: #18 CriticalDragon1177

I have a feeling that Ben Carson would insist that you’re not a “true Christian.” He’d probably think you’re a wolf in sheep’s clothing, hear to lead the flock astray.

I’m sure he would, but unfortunately for him, my field of fucks is completely empty.

22 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 7:14:49pm

re: #20 Kid A

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The Texas Ticket!!!

23 CuriousLurker  Jul 1, 2014 7:16:19pm

re: #8 ramex

Why is Ben Carson putting down the Aztec’s sincerely held religious beliefs?

Ha! They were the first ones I thought of too. Um, no, Dr. Carson—not even close to human sacrifice. Case in point , emphasis mine:

Among the exhibits are sculptures depicting Mictlantecuhtli, the god of death, shown with his flesh ripped from his body and his liver hanging out; and a pot depicting the god of rain, Tlaloc, who required child sacrifices to sustain him; and artefacts related to gladiatorial sacrifices and the terrifying sounding Flaying of Man ceremony, which doesn’t end well for the captive gladiator - or the attendant priest who has to remove the dead man’s heart, flay his skin (a representation of a maize kernel losing its outer layer) and then wear it for 20 days to appease the god of spring and renewal. […]

smh.com.au

BTW, on the rare occasion when I see your nic it always makes me hungry for kimchee ramen & Mexican food. LOL

24 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 7:18:14pm

Gawd, Ben Carson’s Twitter account is fucking platitude after platitude after platitude. Oh, and he’s on a book tour, I found out. He’s running for president.

25 BongCrodny  Jul 1, 2014 7:18:19pm

Hey, would that be the Dr. Ben Carson who worked for Johns Hopkins University, where one of the investment plans they have for employees is the VALIC, which invests in China, where they have forced abortion?

I wonder if the good doctor had any qualms about that when he was employed at Hopkins.

26 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 7:19:10pm

re: #25 BongCrodny

Hey, would that be the Dr. Ben Carson who worked for Johns Hopkins University, where one of the investment plans they have for employees is the VALIC, which invests in China, where they have forced abortion?

I wonder if the good doctor had any qualms about that when he was employed at Hopkins.

The good doctor can’t be bothered by facts, he’s got a Republic to save!

/

27 Kid A  Jul 1, 2014 7:19:33pm

re: #25 BongCrodny

Hey, would that be the Dr. Ben Carson who worked for Johns Hopkins University, where one of the investment plans they have for employees is the VALIC, which invests in China, where they have forced abortion?

I wonder if the good doctor had any qualms about that when he was employed at Hopkins.

Annnnnd, isn’t China the country Republicans borrow money from to start wars?

28 andres  Jul 1, 2014 7:19:37pm

re: #13 RealityBasedSteve

Fish, we really wish you would clearly express your position, and not try to sugar coat it.

I think this upcoming presidental primary season is going to be amusing, as they all move farther and farther to the right, and scary as hell, because they are pandering to the people most likely to vote in primaries. Good news, a 12 y/o with smart phone can handle the oppo research for the Democratic party when the general election comes around.

Me… I’m hoping for a Palin / Carson ticket myself.

RBS

It’s amusing in the same way an upcoming runaway train is. Problem is, this train wreck will hit us hard.

There’s no doubt this will be a field day for Democratic Party operatives. For the country as a whole, these people are still highly dangerous, no matter how far they are from the White House. All they need is one chamber of Congress (and many states legislatures) to make their damage.

29 CriticalDragon1177  Jul 1, 2014 7:19:50pm

re: #19 Pie-onist Overlord

30 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 1, 2014 7:20:04pm

re: #25 BongCrodny

Hey, would that be the Dr. Ben Carson who worked for Johns Hopkins University, where one of the investment plans they have for employees is the VALIC, which invests in China, where they have forced abortion?

I wonder if the good doctor had any qualms about that when he was employed at Hopkins.

HE’S A BRAIN SURGEON!!!! SO THAT MEANS HE CAN DO ALL TEH THINGS!!!!!!!

31 thedopefishlives  Jul 1, 2014 7:20:29pm

re: #30 Pie-onist Overlord

HE’S A BRAIN SURGEON!!!! SO THAT MEANS HE CAN DO ALL TEH THINGS!!!!!!!

For a brain surgeon, he sure doesn’t have a lot of ‘em.

32 Kid A  Jul 1, 2014 7:21:21pm

So what will the wingnuts’ excuse be when Carson gets Goldwatered?

33 geoffm33  Jul 1, 2014 7:21:38pm

Serious question: Did the SCOTUS have the ability to modify the “list” of covered BC options or was it an all or nothing type thing? ie: Did they simply rule that HL et al have the right to restrict the BC options or did they say they can restrict a particular set of options?

Based on the answer to the above, my real question is did the knowingly leave vasectomies on the table while removing IUD’s. As they are identical forms of BC to my way of thinking. With the exception that most (all?) IUD’s are removable, whereas a vasectomy is typically permanent.

34 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 1, 2014 7:22:48pm

re: #32 Kid A

So what will the wingnuts’ excuse be when Carson gets Goldwatered?

HURR HURR NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH!!!!111!!!!!

35 klys  Jul 1, 2014 7:22:54pm

re: #33 geoffm33

Serious question: Did the SCOTUS have the ability to modify the “list” of covered BC options or was it an all or nothing type thing? ie: Did they simply rule that HL et al have the right to restrict the BC options or did they say they can restrict a particular set of options?

Based on the answer to the above, my real question is did the knowingly leave vasectomies on the table while removing IUD’s. As they are identical forms of BC to my way of thinking. With the exception that most (all?) IUD’s are removable, whereas a vasectomy is typically permanent.

The court clarified this morning that the ruling applied to all forms of contraception, but I believe that for insurance purposes vasectomies are treated entirely differently and are still on the table. And, in fact, Hobby Lobby covers them just fine, along with Viagra.

It really is all about the ladybits.

36 klys  Jul 1, 2014 7:23:53pm

Here’s a palate cleanser.

Youtube Video

37 CriticalDragon1177  Jul 1, 2014 7:24:03pm

re: #30 Pie-onist Overlord

HE’S A BRAIN SURGEON!!!! SO THAT MEANS HE CAN DO ALL TEH THINGS!!!!!!!

Yeah I know, and if he says evolution is a lie, it must be true because he’s like a brain surgeon. Never mind how you don’t have to know much about evolution to do his job.

38 Kid A  Jul 1, 2014 7:24:05pm

re: #34 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH!!!!111!!!!!

HE LOST CUZ DEMS ARE THE REAL RACISTS!!!

39 geoffm33  Jul 1, 2014 7:24:17pm

re: #35 klys

The court clarified this morning that the ruling applied to all forms of contraception, but I believe that for insurance purposes vasectomies are treated entirely differently and are still on the table. And, in fact, Hobby Lobby covers them just fine, along with Viagra.

It really is all about the ladybits.

That’s just insane.

40 thedopefishlives  Jul 1, 2014 7:25:28pm

re: #35 klys

The court clarified this morning that the ruling applied to all forms of contraception, but I believe that for insurance purposes vasectomies are treated entirely differently and are still on the table. And, in fact, Hobby Lobby covers them just fine, along with Viagra.

It really is all about the ladybits.

I seriously do not have words.

41 Kid A  Jul 1, 2014 7:26:17pm

re: #39 geoffm33

Dude, HL has over $70-million invested in contraception manufacturers in their employee mutual funds, too.

42 CuriousLurker  Jul 1, 2014 7:26:17pm

re: #12 thedopefishlives

This is a discussion I had with one of my more liberal Christian Muslim friends right after Hobby Lobby went through the latest bat guano crazy fatwa/terrorist attack/jihadi insurgency. We’re so fed up with how the self-appointed spokespeople for Christianity Islam are blindly spouting conservative Republican extreme Islamist political views and not thinking about the theological implications. They don’t speak for me, they certainly don’t speak for Jesus Islam, and we both have all had enough.

Welcome to my world. ;o)

43 thedopefishlives  Jul 1, 2014 7:27:15pm

re: #42 CuriousLurker

Welcome to my world. ;o)

{{{CuriousLurker}}}

I get it now. I really do. And I’m truly sorry for all the anti-Islam rhetoric I went off with in my younger, stupider days.

44 jaunte  Jul 1, 2014 7:27:48pm

re: #41 Kid A

They have a sincere belief in making money.

45 klys  Jul 1, 2014 7:28:10pm

re: #39 geoffm33

That’s just insane.

re: #40 thedopefishlives

I seriously do not have words.

Uteruses (uteri?) are magical things. (This is mostly just me trying to be rational about it.)

46 BongCrodny  Jul 1, 2014 7:28:36pm

From Wiki:

Carson described his opposition to same-sex marriage on Hannity, saying: “Marriage is between a man and a woman. No group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality, it doesn’t matter what they are. They don’t get to change the definition.”

Notice the other groups he associates gays with.

What a dick.

47 thedopefishlives  Jul 1, 2014 7:28:39pm

re: #45 klys

Uteruses (uteri?) are magical things. (This is mostly just me trying to be rational about it.)

Don’t try. You’ll burn out your brain cells. There is no rationality to be found here, only derp.

48 ramex  Jul 1, 2014 7:28:51pm

Is sacrificing human beings to appease God exactly like abortion or is it more exactly like denying women birth control to appease God?

49 CuriousLurker  Jul 1, 2014 7:29:33pm

re: #43 thedopefishlives

{{{CuriousLurker}}}

I get it now. I really do. And I’m truly sorry for all the anti-Islam rhetoric I went off with in my younger, stupider days.

Awww. {{{thedopefishlives}}}

50 klys  Jul 1, 2014 7:29:40pm

re: #47 thedopefishlives

Don’t try. You’ll burn out your brain cells. There is no rationality to be found here, only derp.

Well, we are all nicely rational people.

Who look at a lot of derp and try not to despair.

51 geoffm33  Jul 1, 2014 7:29:44pm

No idea why, but this part of this particular movie just popped into my head. Classic.

Youtube Video

52 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 7:29:56pm

Wait, what?!? What am I doing commenting on this blog? Charles is obviously crazy, wears a tinfoil hat, and sees white supremacists under his bed!

/∞

53 Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2014 7:30:01pm
54 goddamnedfrank  Jul 1, 2014 7:31:55pm

re: #35 klys

The court clarified this morning that the ruling applied to all forms of contraception, but I believe that for insurance purposes vasectomies are treated entirely differently and are still on the table. And, in fact, Hobby Lobby covers them just fine, along with Viagra.

It really is all about the ladybits.

Can Christian Scientist and Jehovah’s Witness owned businesses now refuse to cover their employees’ blood transfusions?

55 Romantic Heretic  Jul 1, 2014 7:34:20pm

re: #23 CuriousLurker

Ha! They were the first ones I thought of too. Um, no, Dr. Carson—not even close to human sacrifice. Case in point , emphasis mine:

BTW, on the rare occasion when I see your nic it always makes me hungry for kimchee ramen & Mexican food. LOL

Ah, the Feast of the Flaying of Men.

A captured warrior from another tribe was placed on a stone pedestal about chest high. He was given a wooden sword edged with feathers and a shield. Four Aztec warriors placed themselves around the pedestal armed with proper swords, that is wooden swords edged with obsidian flakes.

They then had a sword fight.

The trick for the Aztecs was to ‘stripe’ the victim, cut them as shallowly as possible. This went on until the captured warrior collapsed from pain and blood loss.

Then his heart was ripped out and he was flayed.

The article has one thing wrong though, from what I’ve learned. It wasn’t the priest that wore the skin. It was the warrior that captured the victim. In fact the victim lived with the warrior and his family. They treated him as one of their own.

The Aztecs were really nice people. ///

For example one the the Emperor’s titles translated to something like, “Our Master, Our Enemy, Our Murderer.”

56 thedopefishlives  Jul 1, 2014 7:34:53pm

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

Can Christian Scientist and Jehovah’s Witness owned businesses now refuse to cover their employees’ blood transfusions?

Ostensibly, no. I thought there was something about that specifically in the ruling, which raised my eyebrows. It’s almost like the Supreme Court specifically picked the one thing they themselves disagreed with.

57 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 1, 2014 7:35:03pm

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

Can Christian Scientist and Jehovah’s Witness owned businesses now refuse to cover their employees’ blood transfusions?

According to Ginsberg’s dissent, yes.

58 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 7:35:06pm

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

Can Christian Scientist and Jehovah’s Witness owned businesses now refuse to cover their employees’ blood transfusions?

Justice Ginsburg alluded to this in her dissent.

59 nsmith25  Jul 1, 2014 7:36:06pm

re: #57 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

According to Ginsberg’s dissent, yes.

And if no, then the Court is discriminating against other religions.

60 Romantic Heretic  Jul 1, 2014 7:36:31pm

re: #30 Pie-onist Overlord

HE’S A BRAIN SURGEON!!!! SO THAT MEANS HE CAN DO ALL TEH THINGS!!!!!!!

“Expertise in one field does not mean expertise in another. But experts often seem to think so. The narrower their field of expertise the more likely they are to think this.” - Robert A. Heinlein

61 klys  Jul 1, 2014 7:36:55pm

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

Can Christian Scientist and Jehovah’s Witness owned businesses now refuse to cover their employees’ blood transfusions?

The majority wants to pretend that no, that’s not the case, but Ginsburg didn’t buy it in her dissent. I expect to see this working through the courts again.

62 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 7:36:56pm

Hometown hero loves soccer. She’s obviously a pinko commie libtard!

63 The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 1, 2014 7:37:35pm

The only logical conclusion is that the abortionplexes are secretly run by ADM and Monsanto, to ensure their annual corn yields.

64 klys  Jul 1, 2014 7:38:06pm

re: #59 nsmith25

And if no, then the Court is discriminating against other religions.

Which is pretty much what Ginsburg said.*

* I have read her dissent. I haven’t had the stomach to read the majority opinion yet. There’s only so much I can take at a time.

65 Kid A  Jul 1, 2014 7:38:08pm

re: #56 thedopefishlives

Ostensibly, no. I thought there was something about that specifically in the ruling, which raised my eyebrows. It’s almost like the Supreme Court specifically picked the one thing they themselves disagreed with.

JUDICIAL ACTIVISIM!!!

But they’re on your side!

CONSTITUTIONAL ORIGINALISTS!!!!

66 jaunte  Jul 1, 2014 7:38:20pm
“The Supreme Court does assert that racism towards employees was not protected by religious exemptions. But for something like blood transfusions, which do not represent an immediate transmittable public health risk if refused, such a religious freedom exemption might be possible, even if deadly.”
dailytech.com
67 blueraven  Jul 1, 2014 7:38:24pm

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

Can Christian Scientist and Jehovah’s Witness owned businesses now refuse to cover their employees’ blood transfusions?

THE TRAP IN THE SUPREME COURT’S “NARROW” DECISIONS

The Hobby Lobby decision follows the same pattern. Again, Justice Alito’s opinion (for the same five-to-four majority) expressed its ruling in narrow terms. Alito asserted that the case concerned only a single “closely held” private company whose owners had religious objections to providing certain forms of birth control. According to the court, federal law required that those wishes be honored.

But, as Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg pointed out in her dissent, there is almost no limitation on the logic of the majority’s view. Almost any closely held companies—which make up a substantial chunk of the American economy—can now claim a religious orientation, and they can now seek to excuse themselves from all sorts of obligations, including honoring certain anti-discrimination laws. And after today’s “narrow” rulings, those cases will come.

68 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 7:38:41pm

Heh!

69 Kid A  Jul 1, 2014 7:40:40pm
70 CuriousLurker  Jul 1, 2014 7:43:37pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

This is the kind of crazy right wing hate speech that leads to women’s health clinics being bombed lgf.bz

Too true. From my Page on antisemitism back in May—SSDD:

I dislike the tabloid rag that the Huffington Post has become, but I’ll go ahead and link to it as Ms. Goldstein has an excellent article there from 2011 promoting her book and explaining some of the building blocks of hatred:

Hatreds are taught directly and indirectly, consciously and unconsciously, in small places close to home. Those teachings are bolstered by the media and other groups in a society, sometimes overtly and sometimes very subtly. Few people can recall how they came to see an entire group of people as “other” or “different.” It happens so gradually that it feels normal, natural, even right.

Once a collection of lies, stereotypes and myths are entrenched in a society, it has always been relatively easy for a ruler, a general, a charismatic preacher, a rabble-rouser, or a disgruntled neighbor to use them to achieve their own goals. Thus antisemitism has long been a convenient way of uniting one’s own followers and recruiting new ones by turning “us” against “them.” Those same lies have also been used to extort money and other property from Jews and divert attention from “our” own shortcomings. In times of stress, conflict and dis-ease, the cry is often heard: “The Jews are to blame!”

The history of antisemitism makes it clear that hatreds are not ideologies; they are not sets of beliefs but collections of often contradictory lies that play to our deepest fears and anxieties. And hatreds always evolve to reflect the times. […]

More at HuffPo…

I’m still working my way through the book in question, but if you haven’t heard or read about it before, I highly recommend it. Even if you’re not interested in the history of antisemitism per se, understanding where it came from and how it developed over the centuries makes it very clear makes it crystal clear how stereotypes, hatreds, and fears can morph into genocide.

71 Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2014 7:45:10pm
72 BongCrodny  Jul 1, 2014 7:46:12pm

From childrenshealthcare.org:

These churches and movements have religious beliefs against some or most forms of medical care:

Followers of Christ
Faith Assembly
Church of the Firstborn
Christian Science
Faith Tabernacle
End Time Ministries
The Believers’ Fellowship
Jehovah’s Witnesses
Church of God of the Union Assembly
Church of God (certain congregations)
First Century Gospel Church
Full Gospel Deliverance Church
Faith Temple Doctoral Church of Christ in God
Jesus through Jon and Judy
Christ Miracle Healing Center
Northeast Kingdom Community Church
Christ Assembly
The Source
“No Name” Fellowship
The Body
1 Mind Ministries
Twelve Tribes
Born in Zion Ministry

Since 1980 children have died in these sects without medical attention for:

pneumonia
meningitis
diabetes
diphtheria
appendicitis
measles
gangrene
dehydration
blood poisoning
Wilm’s tumor and other cancers
perinatal suffocation or strangulation
diarrhea
respiratory infections
kidney infections
Rocky Mountain spotted fever
epilepsy
pericarditis
strangulated hernia
bowel obstruction
sepsis
thalassemia

Children’s Health Care.org

So assuming the above information is true, and following the Supreme Court Gang of Five’s rationale, anybody who is a member of any of the above religions who owned a corporation could arguably justify not covering treatment of any of the above conditions?

That’s pretty fucking sick.

73 klys  Jul 1, 2014 7:48:11pm

re: #72 BongCrodny

From childrenshealthcare.org:

These churches and movements have religious beliefs against some or most forms of medical care:

Since 1980 children have died in these sects without medical attention for:

Children’s Health Care.org

So assuming the above information is true, and following the Supreme Court Gang of Five’s rationale, anybody who is a member of any of the above religions who owned a corporation could arguably justify not covering treatment of any of the above conditions?

That’s pretty fucking sick.

It’s a bullshit ruling. Most rational people recognize it’s a bullshit ruling.

This is why voting matters so much.

74 Kid A  Jul 1, 2014 7:48:29pm

re: #4 jaunte

Ben Carson is a wealthy neurosurgeon and the author of six bestselling books. Although committed to forced birth, he is unwilling to use any of his $10 million net worth to adopt any unwanted children to raise as his own.

75 Kid A  Jul 1, 2014 7:52:42pm

Meanwhile, here’s the latest DEMS ARE THE REAL RACISTS!!! fantasies running around on the twitterz.

76 Kid A  Jul 1, 2014 7:53:37pm

re: #72 BongCrodny

Not just sick, it’s down right criminal.

77 allegro  Jul 1, 2014 7:53:59pm

re: #72 BongCrodny

From childrenshealthcare.org:

These churches and movements have religious beliefs against some or most forms of medical care:

Since 1980 children have died in these sects without medical attention for:

Children’s Health Care.org

So assuming the above information is true, and following the Supreme Court Gang of Five’s rationale, anybody who is a member of any of the above religions who owned a corporation could arguably justify not covering treatment of any of the above conditions?

That’s pretty fucking sick.

Jesus Through Jon and Judy? O_o

78 CuriousLurker  Jul 1, 2014 7:54:09pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Yesterday @JihadiJew tweeted a quote I’d never heard before, but really liked:

Moral demands of peace

Peace demands the most heroic labor and the most difficult sacrifice. It demands greater heroism than war. It demands greater fidelity to the truth and a much more perfect purity of conscience. —Thomas Merton

79 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 1, 2014 7:56:18pm

re: #78 CuriousLurker

Merton is one of my favorite religious/spiritual writers. He lived a long time at Gethsemane, Kentucky, where he was a Catholic monk, but he also spent a considerable part of his life studying and embracing Buddhism.

80 CuriousLurker  Jul 1, 2014 7:58:10pm

re: #79 wheat-dogghazi

Sounds like an interesting person. I’ll have to learn more about him.

Okay, I’m outta here. G’nite, lizards.

81 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 1, 2014 8:02:35pm

re: #80 CuriousLurker

merton.org

82 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 8:04:36pm

64 years ago today a shitstain racist was born, and we’re all worse off for it.

83 jaunte  Jul 1, 2014 8:12:16pm

This could be one of the ugliest rooms ever thrown together.

84 Kid A  Jul 1, 2014 8:17:04pm

re: #82 teleskiguy

It’s hard to believe he almost won an election for governor. Until you remember that the state he was running in was Louisiana.

85 sagehen  Jul 1, 2014 8:18:49pm

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

Can Christian Scientist and Jehovah’s Witness owned businesses now refuse to cover their employees’ blood transfusions?

Don’t be silly, a *man* might need that.

86 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 1, 2014 8:21:24pm

Trying to find decent coverage of today’s World Cup match and discovering just how badly the new Sports Illustrated home page sucks. Anyone got a better web site for overall sports coverage?

87 blueraven  Jul 1, 2014 8:22:43pm

re: #86 William Barnett-Lewis

Trying to find decent coverage of today’s World Cup match and discovering just how badly the new Sports Illustrated home page sucks. Anyone got a better web site for overall sports coverage?

ESPN?

88 Kid A  Jul 1, 2014 8:27:02pm

re: #86 William Barnett-Lewis

cbssports.com

89 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 8:27:07pm

re: #84 Kid A

It’s hard to believe he almost won an election for governor. Until you remember that the state he was running in was Louisiana.

It’s funny how all these former CSA states have their little enclaves of sanity. We Coloradans call it “The Boulder of [insert state name].”

Austin. New Orleans. Norman. Oxford. Athens. Asheville. Tuscaloosa. Gainesville. What do they all have in common? They’re all The Boulder of their prospective states!

90 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 1, 2014 8:27:40pm

re: #87 blueraven

Yeah, probably. I dislike them on TV though so I hesitate checking their web. Still that new SI page is so utterly unusable…

91 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 1, 2014 8:28:28pm

re: #88 Kid A

I’ll try them too, thanks.

92 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 1, 2014 8:28:56pm

And, off to work the front desk i go. Have a good evening folks.

93 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 1, 2014 8:35:23pm

re: #87 blueraven

ESPN?

That was a joke, wasn’t it?

94 Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2014 8:36:09pm
95 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 8:39:07pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Why, that would be a ratio of 318,358,007 to 89,138.

We really do live in a fascist police state.

/

96 Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2014 8:40:17pm
97 Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2014 8:42:36pm
98 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 1, 2014 8:46:22pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

Says the man who can’t write an English sentence.

99 thecommodore  Jul 1, 2014 8:46:58pm

I don’t think Carson will win the nomination if he runs. The GOP Establishment is sane enough to realize he would be a disaster. If they weren’t, then their 2012 ticket would have been Cain/Bachmann.

They will never let another Goldwater close to the nomination.

100 Charles Johnson  Jul 1, 2014 8:48:08pm

The Greenwald crew is obviously ramping up to their grand finale of distortion and paranoia.

101 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 1, 2014 8:49:12pm

re: #99 thecommodore

I don’t think Carson will win the nomination if he runs. The GOP Establishment is sane enough to realize he would be a disaster. If they weren’t, then their 2012 ticket would have been Cain/Bachmann.

They will never let another Goldwater close to the nomination.

Hah. Barry Goldwater would be too moderate for today’s GOP. If he stuck to his guns about ignoring the religious crazies, he’d never make it to the convention.

102 dog philosopher  Jul 1, 2014 8:49:30pm

getting a lot of “how dare you say you don’t believe what i want you to believe!” today from wingnuts on the twitter

103 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 8:51:12pm

re: #99 thecommodore

I don’t think Carson will win the nomination if he runs. The GOP Establishment is sane enough to realize he would be a disaster. If they weren’t, then their 2012 ticket would have been Cain/Bachmann.

They will never let another Goldwater close to the nomination.

I wouldn’t put it past this Republican Party to put up someone like Ted Cruz. Cruz, in my mind, is a very effective slithering snake-oil salesman. He’s warm enough in demeanor and earnest enough in his rhetoric that he could trick Republican primary voters to nominate him.

If that happens, the Democratic Party will most definitely win the Presidency in 2016.

104 dog philosopher  Jul 1, 2014 8:53:18pm

They also want to limit that which does not redistribute its wealth in the name of fairness.

“what do you mean you’re not a communist?? you lie, democrat liberal, admit it!”

105 dog philosopher  Jul 1, 2014 8:54:16pm

im still predicting the gop nominee has to be a wall st guy like bush or rombly

106 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 8:56:02pm

re: #102 dog philosopher

getting a lot of “how dare you say you don’t believe what i want you to believe!” today from wingnuts on the twitter

Shut off minds.

I was already a pretty firm non-believer before I read God Is Not Great by Christopher Hitchens. And the thing that struck me the most about that book was how Hitch articulated how human minds get closed off by religion, how critical thinking faculties are eliminated with enough religion. Hitch genuinely frightened me with his prose, and I became more open in my non-belief as a result of comprehending that book.

107 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 8:56:50pm

re: #105 dog philosopher

im still predicting the gop nominee has to be a wall st guy like bush or rombly

Me too. All the way.

108 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 1, 2014 8:57:17pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

The Greenwald crew is obviously ramping up to their grand finale of distortion and paranoia.

I find it vaguely amusing that Greenwald & Co. get their underwear all in knots about the NSA monitoring “persons of interest,” while in China we just accept that we live in a police state, and that our movements and activities may be closely watched. As an example, two weeks ago I had to go through the annual procedure of renewing my work permit and residence permit. In the past, this has gone off without a hitch. This year, the Public Security Bureau balked, saying they had heard I was teaching classes outside the university, which is against the rules. My foreign affairs officer managed to iron things out so I can stay, but the incident brought home quite clearly that Big Brother IS watching me.

Other, more serious examples would be the many dissidents who are now in prison, or who are constantly harassed by police on trumped up charges of tax evasion or immoral conduct.

Greenwald’s melodrama falls on my deaf ears.

109 Kid A  Jul 1, 2014 8:58:50pm

It’s pretty simple- Not one of the current GOP “hopefuls” can win the White House. Not one. They can not win the states they need to win; it’s a lot harder for them than it is a Democratic candidate. Florida? Maybe. Ohio and Pennsylvania? No way. The bad craziness that I have to endure on a daily basis (Texas) will never, ever put a Cruz, Palin, etc. in the White House. And thank god for that.

110 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 1, 2014 8:59:50pm

re: #103 teleskiguy

I wouldn’t put it past this Republican Party to put up someone like Ted Cruz. Cruz, in my mind, is a very effective slithering snake-oil salesman. He’s warm enough in demeanor and earnest enough in his rhetoric that he could trick Republican primary voters to nominate him.

If that happens, the Democratic Party will most definitely win the Presidency in 2016.

Cruz was born in Canada, IIRC. So he’s not eligible to be president.

Ay, qué lástima!
//

111 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 9:08:20pm

I don’t know the validity of the claim on this tweet, as these “History In Photos” Twitter accounts are often dubious. Still, LGF comment thread gets some Lincoln on this 4th of July week.

112 Belafon  Jul 1, 2014 9:16:33pm

re: #106 teleskiguy

I was already a pretty firm non-believer before I read God Is Not Great by Christopher Hitchens. And the thing that struck me the most about that book was how Hitch articulated how human minds get closed off by religion, how critical thinking faculties are eliminated with enough religion. Hitch genuinely frightened me with his prose, and I became more open in my non-belief as a result of comprehending that book.

it’s interesting to read your statement after reading the Thomas Merton quote above. It might be easier with religion, though I’m not entirely sure. What is true is if you do not allow your beliefs to be questioned. The same closed mindedness occurs in libertarians and those on the far left. I see it in those who are of the “no Hillary, no way” group, who believe she’ll hire Mark Penn and run her presidency just like Bill.

113 sagehen  Jul 1, 2014 9:16:55pm

re: #111 teleskiguy

I don’t know the validity of the claim on this tweet, as these “History In Photos” Twitter accounts are often dubious. Still, LGF comment thread gets some Lincoln on this 4th of July week.

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Five years as president, and he looks 20 years older.

114 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 9:25:00pm

re: #112 Belafon

it’s interesting to read your statement after reading the Thomas Merton quote above. It might be easier with religion, though I’m not entirely sure. What is true is if you do not allow your beliefs to be questioned. The same closed mindedness occurs in libertarians and those on the far left.

It’s great that you mention that because I have good friends who are religious and there’s still a dialogue and camaraderie - that we all human and we’re all in this together. The folks in my life that have been the most offended by my atheism are people who believe everything these RWNJs say that LGF has been documenting since Obama took office.

I have no objections with people of faith. I know a lot of very good people who are “faithful.” Hell, a drummer for one of my favorite (now-defunct) southern rock bands has his own congregation in Tallahassee. That dude is GOOD PEOPLE and that’s that. He believes in God, I don’t. We had the discussion, and he said to me “Charlie, I still love you as a brother.”*

*true story

115 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 9:27:27pm

re: #114 teleskiguy

I do however object to open proselytizing and all the other nonsense that comes with American Christians. see: Erick Erickson’s Twitter timeline.

116 Kid A  Jul 1, 2014 9:29:50pm

The Thad Cochran run-off victory has really brought out the pissy in the right-wingers. Who knew tea-on-tea violence could be so much fun?

117 Kid A  Jul 1, 2014 9:30:39pm

re: #115 teleskiguy

I do however object to open proselytizing and all the other nonsense that comes with American Christians. see: Erick Erickson’s Twitter timeline.

Erick is no Christian. He is a pathetic, misogynistic asshole that thinks he’s a Christian.

118 Belafon  Jul 1, 2014 9:32:14pm

re: #115 teleskiguy

I do however object to open proselytizing and all the other nonsense that comes with American Christians. see: Erick Erickson’s Twitter timeline.

Completely agree. I keep imagaining a “prayer” (I am an atheist) I would love to do at a city council meeting:

“Dear Jesus: As we start this meeting, I would hope that you would remind people of your statement about praying in public. Remind them that it is about grandstanding and showing off, and not true reverence to God. Speak to them again about how prayer is a private affair between them and God, and as you stated, must be done in a private place. Amen.”

119 Belafon  Jul 1, 2014 9:33:39pm

re: #116 Kid A

Is there any way to pass out shivs?

120 Kid A  Jul 1, 2014 9:35:02pm

I mean, when these nut jobs consider Cochran a RINO, you know the crazy train is off the rails.

121 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 9:35:03pm

re: #117 Kid A

Erick is no Christian. He is a pathetic, misogynistic asshole that thinks he’s a Christian.

There’s a shit ton of people in the United States who think they’re Christian when they’re really not.

122 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 1, 2014 9:40:34pm

re: #121 teleskiguy

Who are they then? Of course they are Christians.

123 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 1, 2014 9:41:12pm

Erickson is a Christian. So is Carson.

124 Lidane  Jul 1, 2014 9:43:17pm

re: #116 Kid A

The Thad Cochran run-off victory has really brought out the pissy in the right-wingers. Who knew tea-on-tea violence could be so much fun?

I love the RWNJ implication that Thad Cochran is some sort of flaming commie pinko librul because he asked blah people to vote for him in an open primary.

Thad Cochran was the least shitty choice for people in Mississippi. They know that electing a Democrat is almost impossible so why not affect the outcome if they legally can? They chose the devil they already knew instead of someone who is crazier.

125 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 9:43:27pm

I wasn’t around, but I guess certain people freaked the fuck out because JFK was a Roman Catholic and if elected President he would take orders from the Pope.

126 Lidane  Jul 1, 2014 9:44:39pm

re: #125 teleskiguy

I wasn’t around, but I guess certain people freaked the fuck out because JFK was a Roman Catholic and if elected President he would take orders from the Pope.

Those same people are now in the GOP base.

127 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 9:45:33pm

re: #122 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Who are they then? Of course they are Christians.

re: #123 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Erickson is a Christian. So is Carson.

I guess our definition of “Christian” differs. I prefer the “Love” part, as opposed to all that shit in Leviticus and Revelation.

128 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 1, 2014 9:46:52pm

re: #127 teleskiguy

Well, yeah, “love” isn’t part of any usable definition of being a Christian.

129 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 1, 2014 9:48:08pm
No true Scotsman is an informal fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion.[1] When faced with a counterexample to a universal claim (“no Scotsman would do such a thing”), rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original universal claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by rhetoric, without reference to any specific objective rule (“no true Scotsman would do such a thing”),[2] creating an implied tautology. It can also be used to create unnecessary requirements by adding “true” or “real” to the subject.
130 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 9:51:59pm

re: #128 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Well, yeah, “love” isn’t part of any usable definition of being a Christian.

The fact that I have never been a Christian renders most of my arguments about Christianity moot. I accept that. But from my cursory examination of the faith, Christians revere this guy called Jesus Christ who was probably the kindest gentlest most compassionate human being that has ever lived, and that people should follow his example.

Fuckin’ that ain’t happenin’ in a lot of Christian circles in the United States.

131 piratedan  Jul 1, 2014 10:00:48pm

bears repeating… these guys have no interest in the teachings of the guy who is supposed to be the main focal point of their religion… tenets like tolerance, setting an example through deeds, charity to those less fortunate all those concepts don’t get mentioned much by those that publicly profess to be Christians. Instead it’s a constant onslaught of being in the business of thine neighbor, being judgmental, and healthy doses of intolerance and exclusion that mark those that are “proud to be Christian”. What galls me the most is that there really is a a Nixonian “silent majority” that is probably quite offended in the way that their faith is being paraded about for political and “moral” reasons that have yet to make themselves “heard”. I know quite a few folks of faith that just keep quietly to themselves while not being busy building houses for the poor, cleaning up neighborhoods and helping those less fortunate, but it never seems to be those folks that are put in front of the camera.

132 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 1, 2014 10:06:27pm

re: #130 teleskiguy

The fact that I have never been a Christian renders most of my arguments about Christianity moot. I accept that. But from my cursory examination of the faith, Christians revere this guy called Jesus Christ who was probably the kindest gentlest most compassionate human being that has ever lived, and that people should follow his example.

Fuckin’ that ain’t happenin’ in a lot of Christian circles in the United States.

Being part of a religion that is mainly based on revering Jesus as a son of God (and/or, most traditionally, God himself) defines a Christian.

Following a particular interpretation of Jesus (such as “the kindest gentlest most compassionate human being”, or “a strict judge, who has brought sword, not peace and will send a good portion of people to hell after the Last Judgment”, or “anti-Jewish Aryan race warrior”, or “the first communist”, or any of the other varying, conflicting interpretations), isn’t.

Neither from the formal point of view (that’s just not how it is usually used in the more learned circles), nor from the practical one (for then nobody knows how many Christians there are or have been, and one doesn’t know if any particular person is a Christian until one knows her very well), nor from the point of view of general consistency (for then one has, for example, to grant the right-wingers the right to say that all those shooters were not right-wing, but rather left-wing, because of the right-wingers’ own private definitions of these things).

Besides, who has appointed anyone to choose the right interpretation of the Christian teachings?

Short conclusion: “Christian” does not equal “good guy”.

133 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 10:13:21pm

re: #132 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Besides, who has appointed anyone to choose the right interpretation of the Christian teachings?

Short conclusion: “Christian” does not equal “good guy”.

I read your comment aloud, and have concluded that you’re on my side?

The Good Christians that I know know that Salvation Lies Within. That religion is and should be a very personal thing.

How do you hide money from a hippy?!? PUT IT UNDER THE SOAP

134 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 10:16:55pm

Did you see that? I was brazenly trying to change the subject!

135 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 1, 2014 10:17:13pm

re: #133 teleskiguy

I’m on your side in general. I just don’t think the “who is a Christian and who is not” game is worth it. Let’s leave it to the fundies - they’ll quickly tell you that all those “other” Christians really aren’t.

136 Ed E. Lishus  Jul 1, 2014 10:17:25pm

re: #131 piratedan

A big tendency I see within evangelical Christianity is that Jesus has been relegated to the guy who got us out of jail by dying on the cross, and his words end up getting drowned out by Paul’s. (Although, reading some of Paul’s writings like Galatians, for instance, it’s pretty clear like Jesus he has big issues with religious hypocrites too and that the central point of Christianity is to overcome divisions in people, not insist on them).

137 piratedan  Jul 1, 2014 10:26:25pm

re: #136 Ed E. Lishus

in a way, it’s like those bastards (and I was regretfully one of them once upon a time) who asked, “why don’t the moderate Muslims speak out?” Thinking it was about all of the crap going on in the name of their religion until it finally dawned on me that most of the folks that profess to have faith and take those teachings to heart (regardless of the prophet) aren’t public about them and prefer to let their deeds speak for them.

In this day and age of perpetual media and fundamentalist outrage, those folks that stay perpetually offended are kept in that state by our current media model that milks that outrage for the sake of their advertisers and investors and everything else be damned. I hate the media cycle that feeds on this and those hypocritical shills (regardless of faith) that use those means to whatever end, be it a projection of their own issues/fears, for financial gain or the acquisition of power.

138 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 1, 2014 10:29:51pm

re: #137 piratedan

Yeah. I don’t call upon moderate Christians to deal with extremist Christians in some way; extremist Christians don’t give a shit what the moderates have to say. They think they’re wrong. I’ve never understood the magic process by which the moderates of any religion were supposed to moderate the radicals.

139 teleskiguy  Jul 1, 2014 10:49:22pm
140 Lidane  Jul 1, 2014 11:17:07pm
141 Tigger2  Jul 2, 2014 12:33:13am

re: #17 thedopefishlives

I know you’re being facetious, but in all seriousness, the time is long since past for sugar-coating and mincing words. This pseudo-Christian bullshit has gone on far longer than “long enough”. Somebody’s got to take a stand, why not me?

People like him is why I left religion.

142 sagehen  Jul 2, 2014 2:29:55am

I’m going to Home Depot later today to buy a stove, so…

my options are Whirlpool, Frigidaire, Amana, GE, and Samsung. Anybody have noteworthy experiences with these brands? Totally unreliable, awesome customer service, or any other comments that might affect my choice?

143 HypnoToad  Jul 2, 2014 3:19:03am

Just watched OcO-2 climb to orbit. Launch looked good through second stage ignition. I worked for almost two years building the 3 band spectrometer on board. I’m now one week retired from the aerospace rat race!

144 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 3:31:04am

re: #32 Kid A

So what will the wingnuts’ excuse be when Carson gets Goldwatered?

Democrats refused to vote for him because they are racist.

145 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 2, 2014 3:34:09am

re: #142 sagehen

Samsung’s electronics and automation tend to be better thought out than most.

146 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 3:35:01am

re: #89 teleskiguy

It’s funny how all these former CSA states have their little enclaves of sanity. We Coloradans call it “The Boulder of [insert state name].”

Austin. New Orleans. Norman. Oxford. Athens. Asheville. Tuscaloosa. Gainesville. What do they all have in common? They’re all The Boulder of their prospective states!

Often the state capitol or seat of a university, guarantees an educated, cultivated urban populace.

147 Lidane  Jul 2, 2014 3:39:17am
148 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 3:41:38am

re: #147 Lidane

The Supreme Court has made it clear that “sincerely held religious beliefs” is an entirely arbitrary and subjective concept.

149 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 3:44:04am

Well, thank goodness this zealot has retired from practice and will never operate on another kid again. As a parent, I would be worried when someone who’s spouting the shit he is touched my child.

150 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 3:46:02am

re: #147 Lidane

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It’s what all of them do consistently. Harass all women in one form or another. No one should be surprised at this.

151 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 3:46:10am

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

Well, thank goodness this zealot has retired from practice and will never operate on another kid again. As a parent, I would be worried when someone who’s spouting the shit he is touched my child.

some people are harmless as long as they do not venture from their field of specialization. William Shockley was a leader in developing transistor technology before he ventured into race and intelligence studies.

152 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 4:00:40am

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

some people are harmless as long as they do not venture from their field of specialization. William Shockley was a leader in developing transistor technology before he ventured into race and intelligence studies.

I stand by what I said.

153 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 2, 2014 4:01:24am

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

some people are harmless as long as they do not venture from their field of specialization. William Shockley was a leader in developing transistor technology before he ventured into race and intelligence studies.

The scuttlebutt about Shockley is he was not central to the development of the transistor, but horned in on the action once it became clear the project would be a success.

154 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 4:08:00am

Look out Pamlico Sound, NC and NC coastal areas…

Tropical Storm ARTHUR Public Advisory

nhc.noaa.gov

155 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 4:16:04am

re: #153 wheat-dogghazi

The scuttlebutt about Shockley is he was not central to the development of the transistor, but horned in on the action once it became clear the project would be a success.

So he was an asshole already, just a somewhat more harmless one

156 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 4:23:53am

re: #110 wheat-dogghazi

Cruz was born in Canada, IIRC. So he’s not eligible to be president.

Ay, qué lástima!
//

Cruz’s mother was an American, although his father was an illegal Cuban. Even though he was born in Canada, he’s considered of dual citizenship. He needs to drop the Canadian part, though, and made sounds about doing it last year, although whether or not he did isn’t known.

Jennifer Granholm was born in Canada, and while eligible to be gov of MI, is not eligible to run for president since both her parents were Canadians.

157 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 4:28:52am

re: #142 sagehen

I’m going to Home Depot later today to buy a stove, so…

my options are Whirlpool, Frigidaire, Amana, GE, and Samsung. Anybody have noteworthy experiences with these brands? Totally unreliable, awesome customer service, or any other comments that might affect my choice?

Back in the day I would have gone to Sears for all my appliance needs. Sadly Sears has deteriorated badly. I would recommend Amana or Kitchenaid.

158 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 4:30:42am

Today is the 50th Anniversary of the Civil Rights Act signing into law. It is also the anniversary of when all the white racists fled the Democratic party and flocked to the GOP.

Last year I wrote a 2-part article for LGF documenting this historical event, so here is a blast-o from the past-o:

159 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 2, 2014 4:32:58am

re: #156 Justanotherhuman

Cruz’s mother was an American, although his father was an illegal Cuban. Even though he was born in Canada, he’s considered of dual citizenship. He needs to drop the Canadian part, though, and made sounds about doing it last year, although whether or not he did isn’t known.

Jennifer Granholm was born in Canada, and while eligible to be gov of MI, is not eligible to run for president since both her parents were Canadians.

You’re right, but Cruz did drop Canadian citizenship.

cnn.com

160 Decatur Deb  Jul 2, 2014 4:43:32am

re: #156 Justanotherhuman

Cruz’s mother was an American, although his father was an illegal Cuban. Even though he was born in Canada, he’s considered of dual citizenship. He needs to drop the Canadian part, though, and made sounds about doing it last year, although whether or not he did isn’t known.

Jennifer Granholm was born in Canada, and while eligible to be gov of MI, is not eligible to run for president since both her parents were Canadians.

Whether we think Cruz is citizen enough is not important. Only what Orly Taitz, DDM, thinks is important. We will keep Cruz in her thoughts.

161 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 4:44:34am

Once again, it’s morning. It’s relatively cool and they say it’s going to rain today.

you?

162 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 4:49:53am

re: #153 wheat-dogghazi

The scuttlebutt about Shockley is he was not central to the development of the transistor, but horned in on the action once it became clear the project would be a success.

From the febrile mind of someone who operated on children comes this kind of bullshit? That legal abortions are like human sacrifices? Did he see all those kids he operated on as experiments for his expertise and “sacrifices”, too? After all, every operation on a human being is experimental for that particular individual. People die from them every day. It does make me wonder how many patients Carson lost since we only are treated to his “successes”.

He had an interesting childhood, BTW, in Detroit. Born of a mother who married his Baptist preacher father when she was 13. His father was also married to another woman at the time, and left Carson’s mother and 2 kids when Carson was 8 yrs old and his brother was 10. No doubt a kid like him, running the Detroit streets, had plenty of help from someone out there, because no matter how much he praised his mother’s efforts, she didn’t do it all alone. And we know where that help probably emanated from—the very people he now damns, the liberals, the govt, the very “open” institutions he would condemn with his rhetoric.

It does appear that along the way, Carson learned not to bite the hand that fed him, though. At least not until now.

Ben Carson Was a Role Model for Black Teens Until He Sold Out to the Right

thedailybeast.com

163 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 4:54:19am

re: #157 Pie-onist Overlord

Back in the day I would have gone to Sears for all my appliance needs. Sadly Sears has deteriorated badly. I would recommend Amana or Kitchenaid.

I wouldn’t recommend KitchenAid appliances (my own experience w/them). They’re made by Whirlpool, just more expensive. If on a budget, I’d recommend an Amana (which I’ve had) or a Whirlpool. Even a Frigidaire if you’re on a budget.

164 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 4:56:10am

re: #162 Justanotherhuman

He had an interesting childhood, BTW, in Detroit. Born of a mother who married his Baptist preacher father when she was 13. His father was also married to another woman at the time, and left Carson’s mother and 2 kids when Carson was 8 yrs old and his brother was 10. No doubt a kid like him, running the Detroit streets, had plenty of help from someone out there, because no matter how much he praised his mother’s efforts, she didn’t do it all alone.

He attended Detroit public schools. I believe he attended Southwestern High School which is not even a “magnet school” for elites, like Cass Technical HS, but just a neighborhood school. And yes his mother took food stamps and government assistance.

165 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 4:58:28am

re: #163 Justanotherhuman

I wouldn’t recommend KitchenAid appliances (my own experience w/them). They’re made by Whirlpool, just more expensive. If on a budget, I’d recommend an Amana (which I’ve had) or a Whirlpool. Even a Frigidaire if you’re on a budget.

I have Kitchenaid appliances and I love them. However GE sucks, I have had GE ovens, dishwasher & fridge and they all crapped out.

166 Decatur Deb  Jul 2, 2014 5:13:09am

re: #165 Pie-onist Overlord

I have Kitchenaid appliances and I love them. However GE sucks, I have had GE ovens, dishwasher & fridge and they all crapped out.

In the late 60s, GE Appliance Park built major kitchen/laundry/AC in Louisville. We were consciously shooting for a 15 year life expectancy. Might have gone downhill (improved-to-death) since then. Of course, ‘15 years’ is an average. We recovered a monitor top fridge for a promotion that had been running about 50 yrs. That means somebody’s new machine crapped out in a few months.

167 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 5:15:19am

This is the stupidest wingnut Hobby Lobby meme that I have seen today:
Totally wrong and makes absolutely no fucking sense.

168 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 5:20:46am

re: #165 Pie-onist Overlord

I have Kitchenaid appliances and I love them. However GE sucks, I have had GE ovens, dishwasher & fridge and they all crapped out.

Yeah, we used to joke about GE at Lowe’s. They were never recommended by the sales people who preferred the Whirlpool products. I bought a Whirlpool washer and dryer for my son’s house there and we never had a problem w/them.

I had a Kitchenaid washer and dryer and the dryer just stopped working after 2 yrs (it was gas). Also had a Kitchenaid dishwasher which performed well until a glass broke in it somehow (it was on the top shelf where it was supposed to be) and was sucked into the drain and it was less than a year old. Those were bought in the ’90s, so they may have gotten better. : ) OTOH, the cheap “Magic Chef” stove and refrig in my son’s house lasted him well over 10 yrs. There’s a Frigidaire dishwasher in this apt which I’ve never used. Prefer hand washing dishes these days. All the apt appliances are low-end which I don’t mind since I don’t have to replace them. : )

You take your chances, but I would have never thought I’d see the price of some these days.

169 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 2, 2014 5:21:00am

re: #156 Justanotherhuman

Cruz’s mother was an American, although his father was an illegal Cuban. Even though he was born in Canada, he’s considered of dual citizenship. He needs to drop the Canadian part, though, and made sounds about doing it last year, although whether or not he did isn’t known.

Jennifer Granholm was born in Canada, and while eligible to be gov of MI, is not eligible to run for president since both her parents were Canadians.

Well, it should be interesting to see how the RWNJs will justify accusing Obama, who was in fact born in the USA of an American mother and Kenyan father, of not being eligible for the presidency, while giving Canadian-born Cruz a pass on the matter, because his mom was American.

170 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 5:22:33am

re: #169 wheat-dogghazi

Well, it should be interesting to see how the RWNJs will justify accusing Obama, who was in fact born in the USA of an American mother and Kenyan father, of not being eligible for the presidency, while giving Canadian-born Cruz a pass on the matter, because his mom was American.

They don’t, because IOKIYAR.

171 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 5:23:45am

Trying to wrap my brain around what this chart suggests; wading through the CDC report now:

172 Dave In Austin  Jul 2, 2014 5:24:45am

re: #142 sagehen

Please don’t spend your money at HomeDepot. Those assholes invited the open carry jerks in their stores to terrorize there customers. Lowes isn’t much better. You can find another retail outlet somewhere else. Try Bestbuy.

173 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 5:24:56am
174 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 2, 2014 5:24:57am

re: #170 Justanotherhuman

They don’t, because IOKIYAR.

Oh, yeah, I know. Still, to me, “natural born” means “born in the USA, or one of its territories.” Canada is not one of our territories.

175 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 5:25:02am

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trying to wrap my brain around what this chart suggests; wading through the CDC report now:

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I would not be able to function normally if I did not have pain meds for my arthritis.

176 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 5:25:15am

re: #172 Dave In Austin

Please don’t spend your money at HomeDepot. Those assholes invited the open carry jerks in their stores to terrorize there customers. Lowes isn’t much better. You can find another retail outlet somewhere else. Try Bestbuy.

Lowe’s in my area closed.

177 S'latch  Jul 2, 2014 5:26:09am

“Carson is a shoo-in for the GOP presidential nomination.”

I don’t know about that. The race for the GOP nod is going to be a hilarious clusterf*ck of gaffs and insanity. Ben Carson, as well as almost every other nominee, will implode with a spectacular stinking cloud of smoke. The actual nominee will be merely the one who stinks the least.

178 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 2, 2014 5:28:03am

re: #177 S’latch

“Carson is a shoo-in for the GOP presidential nomination.”

I don’t know about that. The race for the GOP nod is going to be a hilarious clusterf*ck of gaffs and insanity. Ben Carson, as well as almost every other nominee, will implode with a spectacular stinking cloud of smoke. The actual nominee will be merely the one who stinks the least.

A lot can happen in the next two years.

179 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 5:28:54am

re: #175 Pie-onist Overlord

I would not be able to function normally if I did not have pain meds for my arthritis.

I realize that pain meds are completely necessary for some people.
Looking at the report, Kentucky (which has a huge problem with prescription drug abuse) is in the top 5 with 128 prescriptions per 100 people. That’s a LOT.

180 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 5:29:15am
181 S'latch  Jul 2, 2014 5:29:31am

re: #178 wheat-dogghazi

Oh, a lot WILL happen. Guaranteed. I’m stocking up on popcorn.

182 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 5:30:34am
183 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 5:31:22am

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

I realize that pain meds are completely necessary for some people.
Looking at the report, Kentucky (which has a huge problem with prescription drug abuse) is in the top 5 with 128 prescriptions per 100 people. That’s a LOT.

That’s only the legal used painkillers. Don’t forget Hillbilly Heroin.

184 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 5:33:38am

Are all 5 Catholics on the Supreme Court Opus Dei?

How does one confirm that?

185 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 5:34:44am

re: #183 FemNaziBitch

That’s only the legal used painkillers. Don’t forget Hillbilly Heroin.

Actually, the report indicates it’s more than legally used painkillers:

What might be causing this?
◊◊Health care providers in different parts of the country don’t agree on when to use prescription painkillers and how much to prescribe.
◊◊Some of the increased demand for prescription painkillers is from people who use them nonmedically (using drugs without a prescription or just for the high they cause), sell them, or get them from multiple prescribers at the same time.
◊◊Many states report problems with for-profit, high-volume pain clinics (so-called “pill mills”) that prescribe large quantities of painkillers to people who don’t need them medically.

186 Timothy Watson  Jul 2, 2014 5:34:52am

re: #172 Dave In Austin

Please don’t spend your money at HomeDepot. Those assholes invited the open carry jerks in their stores to terrorize there customers. Lowes isn’t much better. You can find another retail outlet somewhere else. Try Bestbuy.

Both Lowes and Home Depot are pretty bad. Lowes pulled ads from that reality show featuring Muslims due to Pamela Gellar et al.’s threat of a boycott.

And Home Depot was founded by a RWNJ who compared those who support income equality to Hitler.

187 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 5:36:01am

bbl

188 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 5:39:07am

heh…

189 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 5:39:17am

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

I realize that pain meds are completely necessary for some people.
Looking at the report, Kentucky (which has a huge problem with prescription drug abuse) is in the top 5 with 128 prescriptions per 100 people. That’s a LOT.

Isn’t Kentucky Oxycontin Central?

190 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 5:40:08am

re: #183 FemNaziBitch

That’s only the legal used painkillers. Don’t forget Hillbilly Heroin.

I’m 73. If I wanted oxycontin to sell, believe me, I could get it as a legit Rx here in NC just by complaining of pain. I wasn’t broken by work (since I was in offices) but a lot of people were, and oxycontin is probably prescribed the most for work injuries, etc. Overprescribed, since there’s no real measurement for pain.

191 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 5:41:20am

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

Isn’t Kentucky Oxycontin Central?

Sadly, yes it is. But since our AG started cracking down on the pill mills, lots of the worst abusers here now drive down to Florida where it’s easier to get the pills and FL refuses to participate in a national pharmacy registry.

192 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 2, 2014 5:43:55am

re: #135 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I’m on your side in general. I just don’t think the “who is a Christian and who is not” game is worth it. Let’s leave it to the fundies - they’ll quickly tell you that all those “other” Christians really aren’t.

I just think you’re all crazy in that sense. But some of you go about it more tolerantly and cooperatively than others.

193 Timothy Watson  Jul 2, 2014 5:44:21am

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sadly, yes it is. But since our AG started cracking down on the pill mills, lots of the worst abusers here now drive down to Florida where it’s easier to get the pills and FL refuses to participate in a national pharmacy registry.

So, Justified is pretty on-the-mark then?

194 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 5:46:59am

re: #193 Timothy Watson

So, Justified is pretty on-the-mark then?

yeah, somewhat.

195 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 2, 2014 5:50:34am

re: #161 FemNaziBitch

Once again, it’s morning. It’s relatively cool and they say it’s going to rain today.

you?

81F now. Expected high of 95F and chance of T-storms starting about 1pm. Expected to be a bit cooler tomorrow with greater chance of rain.

196 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 5:52:55am

This is sad, dangerous and life-threatening, for the very young people involved. Pure religio-political zealotry and a mis-reading of the Qur’an, from what others have said.

Anti-terror police arrest teenager in Cardiff

bbc.com

(snip)

“Aseel Muthana, 17, left Britain in February to join his older brother Nasser in the country and says he has no plans to return.

“In an online conversation with a reporter from BBC Wales’ Week In Week Out programme, he described seeing “martyrs” to militant group Isis’s cause and said he would be “willing to die” for the cause.

He said: “Jihad is obligatory.” More

197 Decatur Deb  Jul 2, 2014 5:56:49am

re: #184 FemNaziBitch

Are all 5 Catholics on the Supreme Court Opus Dei?

How does one confirm that?

Very unlikely—there’s only about 92,000 of them in the world, and not very active in the US.

en.wikipedia.org

198 simoom  Jul 2, 2014 6:01:53am

re: #97 Charles Johnson

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In a more just world, that PCLOB report would shut down one of Greenwald & Snowden’s favorite talking points, where they quote from the previous report on Patriot Act Section 215 call record collection, and use it to make claims about all NSA collection being completely ineffective when it comes to disrupting terrorism.

Even Greenwald’s old colleagues at the Guardian aren’t putting much effort (yet) into pushing back at it:

theguardian.com

As the NSA’s troves of ostensibly foreign emails and Americans’ international communications come under heavy scrutiny, the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board dealt the NSA a victory on Tuesday night by calling the information reaped “valuable”. It pointedly rejected similar claims for the bulk collection of US call data in a January report.

…

More than 25% of NSA’s terrorism reporting is based on information taken under 702, the PCLOB found. The section also allows it to collect data from telecommunications and internet providers, known as Prism, and, less frequently, data in transit “upstream” across the internet itself.

“It has played a key role in discovering and disrupting specific terrorist plots aimed at the United States and other countries,” the PCLOB found in a 200-page report released in draft form late on Tuesday, endorsing a central NSA claim since Edward Snowden leaked information revealing the scope of the surveillance agency’s powers.

The NSA defends its Prism and “upstream” communications troves long after it has accepted divestiture of US phone records. Representatives from the intelligence agencies and the Obama administration sternly defend both the legality and the wisdom of retaining those content and metadata databases as a measure to defend the US against terrorism, espionage and even crime.

199 Romantic Heretic  Jul 2, 2014 6:01:58am

re: #71 Charles Johnson

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And since for many people violence is the first refuge, a person can garner an idea of how incompetent the violent person is.

I’m looking at you, teahadis.

200 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 6:05:01am

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trying to wrap my brain around what this chart suggests; wading through the CDC report now:

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Another reason NC may score so highly, too, is that methadone clinics here can be run privately and they’re cleaning up. At $10 a dose, it’s a lot cheaper than street drugs, even an oxycontin Rx when you’re broke, and it’s legal. You have to dose at the clinic everyday and go through some bullshit “therapy” on-site, since the goal is to lower the dosage, but addicts know how to get around that by saying they’ve scored on the street and need to up it. You also get a “take home” since they’re not open on the weekend.

201 Dr Lizardo  Jul 2, 2014 6:07:27am

re: #196 Justanotherhuman

This is sad, dangerous and life-threatening, for the very young people involved. Pure religio-political zealotry and a mis-reading of the Qur’an, from what others have said.

Anti-terror police arrest teenager in Cardiff

bbc.com

(snip)

“Aseel Muthana, 17, left Britain in February to join his older brother Nasser in the country and says he has no plans to return.

“In an online conversation with a reporter from BBC Wales’ Week In Week Out programme, he described seeing “martyrs” to militant group Isis’s cause and said he would be “willing to die” for the cause.

He said: “Jihad is obligatory.” More

OFFS, do these clowns not understand that offensive warfare is not permitted in Islam; that in the Qur’an, it says pretty explicitly that war is only for self-defense? ISIS started this. They are neo-Kharijites.

Are they reading a different Qur’an than I am? Do they have their own special edition or something? Or are they going by various hadith and ignoring the Qur’an, an act that would be regarded as outright blasphemy?

Grrrrr.

202 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 2, 2014 6:10:07am

re: #201 Dr Lizardo

OFFS, do these clowns not understand that offensive warfare is not permitted in Islam; that in the Qur’an, it says pretty explicitly that war is only for self-defense? ISIS started this. They are neo-Kharijites.

Are they reading a different Qur’an than I am? Do they have their own special edition or something? Or are they going by various hadith and ignoring the Qur’an, an act that would be regarded as outright blasphemy?

Grrrrr.

My bet is that they are not reading it themselves (or only the bits they are told to read). And that they are being fed the interpretations of the passages by others in ways that fit the desired mindset. No different than how a lot of nuts treat the Bible. It’s the same behavior set, just using different source material in order to gain the same result - control.

203 Charles Johnson  Jul 2, 2014 6:10:29am
204 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 6:10:42am

re: #201 Dr Lizardo

OFFS, do these clowns not understand that offensive warfare is not permitted in Islam; that in the Qur’an, it says pretty explicitly that war is only for self-defense? ISIS started this. They are neo-Kharijites.

Are they reading a different Qur’an than I am? Do they have their own special edition or something? Or are they going by various hadith and ignoring the Qur’an, an act that would be regarded as outright blasphemy?

Grrrrr.

Zealots ruin it for everyone. See: Christianity in the US that is run by right wing fanatics.

205 Charles Johnson  Jul 2, 2014 6:11:30am

This is huge:

206 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 6:13:11am

re: #205 Charles Johnson

This is huge:

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Snowald/Greensnow: Much Ado About Nothing. Except making money and fame.

207 Romantic Heretic  Jul 2, 2014 6:16:57am

re: #82 teleskiguy

64 years ago today a shitstain racist was born, and we’re all worse off for it.

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I remember reading an article years ago by a Polish family who were visiting America. It was interesting because it’s always wise to see places through other people’s eyes.

They had the misfortune to bump into David Duke. Not knowing who he was they accepted his invitation to visit his home.

At one point Duke remarked how pleased he was that blue eyed white people like them were reproducing and furthering racial purity.

These people lived very close to Auschwitz so you can imagine how gobsmacked they were at Duke’s statement.

As an aside I named a character David Duke in one of my stories, and fed him to one of my vampires.

208 jeffreyw  Jul 2, 2014 6:17:01am

re: #142 sagehen

We have Samsung’s washer and dryer, not sure of the model numbers but they were on the high end of their lineup. They have been very good. The dryer had a glitch in the program and wasn’t getting the clothes dry. Samsung has a chat room for troubleshooting problems. The tech told us to unplug the machine for 30 seconds and then try it again. That fixed it.

209 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 2, 2014 6:20:02am

re: #208 jeffreyw

We have Samsung’s washer and dryer, not sure of the model numbers but they were on the high end of their lineup. They have been very good. The dryer had a glitch in the program and wasn’t getting the clothes dry. Samsung has a chat room for troubleshooting problems. The tech told us to unplug the machine for 30 seconds and then try it again. That fixed it.

Reboot/Google/Voodoo - The IT Solution set.

210 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 6:20:17am

re:
#205

These people are a bunch of croc-wearing, authoritarian-loving, lickspittles.

211 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 6:20:49am

Not threatening enough to call an emergency meeting of Parliament, Nouri? This guy is so lazy and incompetent it makes the mind reel. Does he think by wasting time that the US will come to the rescue? Ain’t gonna happen.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki says militant declaration of Islamic state a threat to entire region; hopes to overcome obstacles in forming new government next parliamentary session - @AP, @Reuters
End of alert

212 GunstarGreen  Jul 2, 2014 6:22:37am

re: #203 Charles Johnson

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People have no right to be surprised about this. It has been known for years that Zuckerberg is a scumbag that has no respect for his users’ privacy, and the dumb fucks have nobody but themselves to blame for continuing to use his service in spite of that knowledge.

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

Zuck: Just ask.

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend’s Name]: What? How’d you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don’t know why.

Zuck: They “trust me”

Zuck: Dumb fucks

213 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 6:23:11am

re: #205 Charles Johnson

This is huge:

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They were appointed by Obama! Of course they’re gonna say it’s legal! THE ACLU HAS CONCERNS!!!

214 Dr Lizardo  Jul 2, 2014 6:24:29am

re: #202 Feline Fearless Leader

My bet is that they are not reading it themselves (or only the bits they are told to read). And that they are being fed the interpretations of the passages by others in ways that fit the desired mindset. No different than how a lot of nuts treat the Bible. It’s the same behavior set, just using different source material in order to gain the same result - control.

Most likely, you’re right; we see the same things with Christian fundies - they cherry-pick the Bible to find verses that support their socio-political ideology and they rely on the interpretations of others rather than interpret the text for themselves.

215 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 2, 2014 6:28:37am

re: #212 GunstarGreen

People have no right to be surprised about this. It has been known for years that Zuckerberg is a scumbag that has no respect for his users’ privacy, and the dumb fucks have nobody but themselves to blame for continuing to use his service in spite of that knowledge.

Facebook is a huge social experiment designed to scrape information from its hapless users, yet some people worry about the NSA monitoring a few hundred people.

216 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 6:31:03am

re: #215 wheat-dogghazi

Facebook is a huge social experiment designed to scrape information from its hapless users, yet some people worry about the NSA monitoring a few hundred people.

Social media does more to strip us of our privacy than the government does.

217 GunstarGreen  Jul 2, 2014 6:31:06am

re: #215 wheat-dogghazi

Facebook is a huge social experiment designed to scrape information from its hapless users, yet some people worry about the NSA monitoring a few hundred people.

Precisely, which is why all the NSA tinfoil hattery is laughably naive. The same people who piss their pants at the mere mention of those three letters gleefully give up FAR more personal data than the government would ever collect to companies like Facebook and Apple and Google without a second thought.

218 darthstar  Jul 2, 2014 6:31:31am
219 Romantic Heretic  Jul 2, 2014 6:32:01am

re: #130 teleskiguy

The fact that I have never been a Christian renders most of my arguments about Christianity moot. I accept that. But from my cursory examination of the faith, Christians revere this guy called Jesus Christ who was probably the kindest gentlest most compassionate human being that has ever lived, and that people should follow his example.

Fuckin’ that ain’t happenin’ in a lot of Christian circles in the United States.

It’s something I realized a few years ago.

Many people latch on to a belief system not to be better people, to acquire a moral compass that lets them navigate the world, but as an excuse for behaviour that hurts other people.

More use a belief system because it’s what they were raised with and they never think about what they are doing.

The number of people who think about what they believe and what they are doing is, unfortunately, a small minority. It’s why I like LGF. For the most part people here think about what they believe.

Now thinking of Thoreau in On Civil Disobedience.

The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailers, constables, posse comitatus, etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgement or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs. Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens. Others—as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and office-holders—serve the state chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the devil, without intending it, as God. A very few—as heroes, patriots, martyrs, reformers in the great sense, and men—serve the state with their consciences also, and so necessarily resist it for the most part; and they are commonly treated as enemies by it.

220 S'latch  Jul 2, 2014 6:33:59am

According to the “Bookies,” the odds on the 2016 GOP Nod favor Marco Rubio, followed by Chris Christi, then Jeb Bush, then Rand Paul, then Ted Cruz, then Paul Ryan, and then Scott Walker. Ben Carson is a deep long-shot. But, I am sure he is odds are improving as his little star is twinkling brighter in the wing-nut sky.

221 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 6:37:03am

re: #220 S’latch

According to the “Bookies,” the odds on the 2016 GOP Nod favor Marco Rubio, followed by Chris Christi, then Jeb Bush, then Rand Paul, then Ted Cruz, then Paul Ryan, and then Scott Walker. Ben Carson is a deep long-shot. But, I am sure he is odds are improving as his little star is twinkling brighter in the wing-nut sky.

I’d sooner believe Jeb Bush than either Christie or Rubio winning the nomination. Christie’s on too many people’s shitlists at the moment and Rubio torched his chances this go-around by actually thinking he could support immigration reform that would grant citizenship to hard-working immigrants.

222 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 6:37:12am

Ha! GG once again sources The Guardian for the usual fuckery.

“The organisations targeted, the submission states, were all “responsible and professional internet service providers”. The claimants are: GreenNet Ltd, based in the UK, Riseup Networks in Seattle, Mango Email Service in Zimbabwe, Jinbonet in South Korea, Greenhost in the Netherlands, May First/People Link in New York and the Chaos Computer Club in Hamburg.”

223 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 6:37:30am

re: #214 Dr Lizardo

Most likely, you’re right; we see the same things with Christian fundies - they cherry-pick the Bible to find verses that support their socio-political ideology and they rely on the interpretations of others rather than interpret the text for themselves.

It is not the job of government to look into people’s souls and determine whether their beliefs are “sincere” or “deeply held”.

224 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 6:38:51am

re:
#220

Rubio looks a bit youngish. Paul Ryan, too, seems a bit lightweight. Hucklebee is apparently eying a run. And since Romney is claiming he isn’t running, he might be running, too. What that third guy, from Texas, can’t remember his name…….

225 darthstar  Jul 2, 2014 6:42:16am
226 Romantic Heretic  Jul 2, 2014 6:42:42am

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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Alberta is more like Texas than Nevada.

227 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 6:43:05am

re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is not the job of government to look into people’s souls and determine whether their beliefs are “sincere” or “deeply held”.

I think the passage “You will know them by their fruits” applies here. A “deeply held” belief generally presents itself in one’s actions, not simply their words. A devout Muslim is probably not going to be found drinking wine over a dinner of baked ham.

228 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 6:43:11am

re:
#82

July 1, 1950 - David Duke an American White nationalist, writer, and right-wing politician is born in Tulsa, Oklahoma

Hurr hurr David Duke was Democrat Party one time so he was Democrat!!!1

229 S'latch  Jul 2, 2014 6:43:22am

re: #221 Targetpractice

Imagine Jeb Bush running on the promise to send troops back to Iraq to stop the violence there.

Would that be irony, tragedy, or farce?

230 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 6:43:57am

re: #229 S’latch

Imagine Jeb Bush running on the promise to send troops back to Iraq to stop the violence there.

Would that be irony, tragedy, or farce?

A tear in the fabric of reality.

231 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 6:44:27am

Here’s an example of using religion for self-improvement and helping others:

232 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 6:44:52am

re: #222 Justanotherhuman

In the US: Riseup Network: help.riseup.net

MayFirst: mayfirst.org

233 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 6:47:18am

re: #227 Targetpractice

I think the passage “You will know them by their fruits” applies here. A “deeply held” belief generally presents itself in one’s actions, not simply their words. A devout Muslim is probably not going to be found drinking wine over a dinner of baked ham.

I don’t care what a Muslim eats. A deeply devout Muslim should be more likely to be found giving alms to the poor and protecting the weak and helpless.

234 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 6:48:06am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I don’t care what a Muslim eats. A deeply devout Muslim should be more likely to find giving alms to the poor and protecting the weak and helpless.

Agreed.

235 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 6:49:47am

GG doesn’t care much about the safety and security of human beings, but he does care quite a lot about barnyard animals in Idaho. Even from Brazil.

236 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 6:53:18am

re: #235 Justanotherhuman

GG doesn’t care much about the safety and security of human beings, but he does care quite a lot about barnyard animals in Idaho. Even from Brazil.

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I do want to see those laws challenged before the courts.

237 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 6:53:21am

re:
#235

Well, Ag-gag laws do seriously suck.

238 Dr Lizardo  Jul 2, 2014 6:54:28am

Someone came up this good bit of satire.

Citing the newly-established precedent of corporate-religious exemption, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday in favor of JCPenney, upholding the company’s right to sacrifice pure-hearted employees in order to assuage the Dread Lord Cthulhu, Bringer of Madness.

The Penney estate, devout cultists and owners of the multibillion-dollar chain of mid-range department stores, joined by CEO Mike Ullman, sued the government in 2012 when new federal employee protections made it illegal for them to hire virgin maidens for the sole purpose of spilling their blood on the Altar of the Cosmos, with the hope that such an offering will prolong the Great Old One’s slumber in the sunken city of R’lyeh.

“We’re not opposed to the practice of protecting and celebrating life set forth by your quaint, human Biblical standards,” said Ullman last week on Lou Dobbs Tonight. “But JCPenney is not that sort of company, for in his house at R’lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming. We see through the insignificance of your primitive ape society to the coming storm of insanity that is His rise.”

All I can say is, Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!!

moonmontchronicle.com

239 darthstar  Jul 2, 2014 6:54:58am

Is the NSA watching our cows now?

240 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 6:56:17am

re: #239 darthstar

Is the NSA watching our cows now?

No, the government is making it illegal to look at what we eat before we eat it.

241 iossarian  Jul 2, 2014 6:56:46am

re: #237 Bulworth

re:
#235

Well, Ag-gag laws do seriously suck.

I didn’t know about them until just now, so hurrah for Glenn Greenwald in one way at least (*ducks*).

I do appreciate the hypocrisy of the Party of Freedom passing laws that ban forms of speech.

242 Decatur Deb  Jul 2, 2014 6:58:34am

re: #239 darthstar

Is the NSA watching our cows now?

Actually, a bunch of agencies are watching our cows—thank god. They have been for decades.

fbi.gov

243 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 2, 2014 7:00:00am

re: #242 Decatur Deb

Actually, a bunch of agencies are watching our cows—thank god. They have been for decades.

fbi.gov

The Welsh comedian Rhod Gilbert worked at a British government agricultural center where he issued ‘passports’ to cattle and answered the phone, ‘Hello, beef.”

244 KerFuFFler  Jul 2, 2014 7:00:14am

re: #132 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Besides, who has appointed anyone to choose the right interpretation of the Christian teachings?

The Catholics have a long history of doing precisely that. I suspect the comfort with such authority made it easy for five of the Catholic justices on the Supreme Court to impose their view on everyone else———-after all, they are RIGHT! The Pope says so.///

245 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 7:00:31am

I wonder what Dr. Ben “America is really great” Carson thinks of Ag-gag laws.

246 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 7:02:01am

re: #236 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I do want to see those laws challenged before the courts.

It’s not the subject; it’s the priority of the subjects. Philosophically, I’m an animal lover and would never hurt one myself, but I don’t believe in putting the needs of animals before humans. That is fanaticism.

Those gag laws are probably unconstitutional just on their face and just need to be challenged.

247 darthstar  Jul 2, 2014 7:02:03am

Jobs numbers are leaking out two days early…because they don’t suck.

248 iossarian  Jul 2, 2014 7:02:14am

re: #245 Bulworth

I wonder what Dr. Ben “America is really great” Carson thinks of Ag-gag laws.

“Um… Ah… FREEDOM! COMMIES! SQUIRREL!”

249 Decatur Deb  Jul 2, 2014 7:02:51am

re: #243 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The Welsh comedian Rhod Gilbert worked at a British government agricultural center where he issued ‘passports’ to cattle and answered the phone, ‘Hello, beef.”

We had to get a vet ‘passport’ to get our dog out of Israel.

250 darthstar  Jul 2, 2014 7:03:14am

Never mind…shitty link in the embed.

251 Timothy Watson  Jul 2, 2014 7:03:52am

re: #250 darthstar

Gamers too.

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How many people want to work for the worst company in America?

252 Decatur Deb  Jul 2, 2014 7:04:46am

re: #247 darthstar

Jobs numbers are leaking out two days early…because they don’t suck.

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Note that ADP number is from a private HR research shop. Holiday workweek might bring the Gov. number forward.

253 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 7:05:08am

re:
#246

I don’t believe that trying to ensure animals are allowed at least somewhat humane environments (adequate mobility, larger cages, for instance) is putting animals before humans or is fanatacism. I would hope that no one believed that.

254 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 7:06:08am

re: #251 Timothy Watson

How many people want to work for the worst company in America?

I missed the link. Was it EA?

255 darthstar  Jul 2, 2014 7:06:31am

re: #254 Targetpractice

I missed the link. Was it EA?

Yeah, it was EA.

256 Decatur Deb  Jul 2, 2014 7:06:58am

re: #255 darthstar

Yeah, it was EA.

Lucky guess.

257 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 7:07:25am

A lot of what these Ag-gag laws are trying to prevent are the investigations by under-cover activists showing abuse of the animals. If the Ag companies don’t want this they can open up their operations for transparency and accountability. Instead they just want to prevent anyone from seeing what they do.

258 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 7:07:49am

re: #255 darthstar

Yeah, it was EA.

Yeah, I really do wonder what kinda person looks at a company like EA and says “That’s where I wanna slave away for the rest of my miserable life.”

259 PhillyPretzel  Jul 2, 2014 7:08:58am

re: #258 Targetpractice

The kind of person who has to pay their bills. :(

260 iossarian  Jul 2, 2014 7:09:17am

re: #258 Targetpractice

Yeah, I really do wonder what kinda person looks at a company like EA and says “That’s where I wanna slave away for the rest of my miserable life.”

People who wrote an implementation of Sudoku in COMP 151 and found it a more agreeable way of passing the time than learning about Thomas Jefferson in HIST 137?

261 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 7:10:02am

re: #257 Bulworth

A lot of what these Ag-gag laws are trying to prevent are the investigations by under-cover activists showing abuse of the animals. If the Ag companies don’t want this they can open up their operations for transparency and accountability. Instead they just want to prevent anyone from seeing what they do.

What was the old saying about laws and sausages? This is where the two intersect.

262 Timothy Watson  Jul 2, 2014 7:10:09am

re: #259 PhillyPretzel

The kind of person who has to pay their bills. :(

True, my joke is coming from someone with a job (a crappy one but it pays), no qualifications for a software/gaming development job, and who doesn’t live in California.

263 darthstar  Jul 2, 2014 7:12:03am

Look at these fucking idiots.

264 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 7:12:11am

re: #260 iossarian

People who wrote an implementation of Sudoku in COMP 151 and found it a more agreeable way of passing the time than learning about Thomas Jefferson in HIST 137?

I was thinking more people who get off on being dominated and abused. Taking a paying job at EA that isn’t in the janitorial department has to be one of the most soul-sucking experiences one can volunteer for. Because no matter how good your creation is, there’s an exec sitting behind you saying “But can we chop it up and sell it to the consumer at $5 a pop?”

265 PhillyPretzel  Jul 2, 2014 7:14:04am

re: #263 darthstar

I agree. They are idiots. The safeties are not on. They are pointing the guns at each other. It seems as though they have a death wish.

266 Semper Fi  Jul 2, 2014 7:15:05am

re: #263 darthstar

Look at these fucking idiots.

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The guy in the white t-shirt has the upper hand…

Good morning.

267 darthstar  Jul 2, 2014 7:15:40am

re: #265 PhillyPretzel

I agree. They are idiots. The safeties are not on. They are pointing the guns at each other. It seems as though they have a death wish.

If only wishes came true.

268 darthstar  Jul 2, 2014 7:16:12am

re: #266 Semper Fi

The guy in the white t-shirt has the upper hand…

Good morning.

Well, he must be a better shot.

269 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 2, 2014 7:16:29am

re: #267 darthstar

If only wishes came true.

I don’t want their wishes to come true though.

270 darthstar  Jul 2, 2014 7:17:04am

Okay…time to walk the dogs. bbl

271 Decatur Deb  Jul 2, 2014 7:17:22am

re: #266 Semper Fi

The guy in the white t-shirt has the upper hand…

Good morning.

Just has to spit his chaw down the barrel.

272 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 7:17:51am

re:
#245

Hurr hurr but liberals use abortion to murder eleventy millions babbies!!!11 Like Nazi Hitler!!!!!1

273 PhillyPretzel  Jul 2, 2014 7:18:25am

re: #271 Decatur Deb

Yes. Messy but that would work.

274 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 7:23:17am

re: #259 PhillyPretzel

The kind of person who has to pay their bills. :(

And they have skills so they don’t have to work at Walmart or McD

275 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 7:25:59am

Meanwhile, a left wing mob of occupy wall street thugs mob of angry protesters blocked buses carrying immigrants that U.S. trying to care for prior to processing.

cnn.com

USAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSA!!!!!

276 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 7:26:28am

These are just terrible people.

277 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 7:26:57am

re: #247 darthstar

Jobs numbers are leaking out two days early…because they don’t suck.

Summer surge: Private sector jobs jump, ADP says t.co
— jdel0430 (@eftvox) July 2, 2014

Those Chicago thugs are cooking the books again!!!!!

278 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 7:27:10am

re: #253 Bulworth

re:
#246

I don’t believe that trying to ensure animals are allowed at least somewhat humane environments (adequate mobility, larger cages, for instance) is putting animals before humans or is fanatacism. I would hope that no one believed that.

Trust me, I don’t believe in animal cruelty and I think sports hunting, for instance, should be banned. If you won’t eat it, don’t shoot it. Just like the young woman hunter posing with her exotic “kills” who I think is a monster. Yes, I think there should be better standards in slaughter houses, in barns and stables, and so forth. Animals shouldn’t suffer unnecessarily, ever. And most people don’t really care where their next steak comes from or how the animals from which it came was treated, just how tender it is. I never, BTW, eat mammals at all, just birds and occasionally fish. I want them to come from clean, sanitary environments, of course. I’ve also seen my grandmother buy chickens from a farmer and wring their necks herself in the bathroom of our apt when I was a kid. I didn’t want to eat it, either. Nor the rabbit my father brought home.

279 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 7:28:37am

Seriously, what the actual fck does chanting USAUSAUSAUSAUSA!!!!! and waving the American flag have to do with preventing the U.S. political and legal authorities from carrying out their responsibilities in the most rational and humane way possible?

280 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 7:32:32am

TEH STUPID IT BURNSSSS IT BURNSSS PRECIOUSSSSS!!!!!!

281 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 7:34:35am

Ben Shapiro is a horrible human being.

282 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 7:34:56am

re:
#280

LOLwhut?

283 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 2, 2014 7:35:16am

re: #280 Pie-onist Overlord

Where does Ben get the notion that anyone wants to shoot people over turtles and wedding cakes?

284 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 7:35:49am

Did someone piss in Ben’s fruity pebbles?

285 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 7:36:00am

re: #280 Pie-onist Overlord

TEH STUPID IT BURNSSSS IT BURNSSS PRECIOUSSSSS!!!!!!

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Ben, it’s simple enough: If you don’t want to provide medical benefits which include contraceptive coverage, then don’t do so. Pay your employees the difference and let them find their own insurance, pay the fines, and be done with it.

286 b.d.  Jul 2, 2014 7:36:25am

re: #280 Pie-onist Overlord

TEH STUPID IT BURNSSSS IT BURNSSS PRECIOUSSSSS!!!!!!

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It must be hard some days being a paid internet troll, always trying to come up with something to be outraged about.

287 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 7:36:45am

re: #283 wheat-dogghazi

Where does Ben get the notion that anyone wants to shoot people over turtles and wedding cakes?

That is what they were out to do with Clive Bundy, only the presence of armed militiamen prevented mass slaughter on his ranch.

And if a gay feels threatened by a baker who refuses to bake him a wedding cake, SYG laws state that he can open fire immediately.

/

288 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 7:36:47am

re:
#278

Upding.

(My work-based browser won’t allow me to upding.)

289 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 7:37:49am

re:
#280

Who pissed in Ben’s Frosted Flakes this morning?

290 b.d.  Jul 2, 2014 7:37:51am

Can we please go ahead and open up those FEMA camps already?

291 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 2, 2014 7:38:53am

re: #290 b.d.

Can we please go ahead and open up those FEMA camps already?

Can I get a job as a re-educator at a FEMA camp? It sounds like fun.
/

292 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 7:39:42am

re:
#280

Left believes freedom has been violated if they CAN’T force me at the point of a gun to violate my own religious beliefs.

Ben seems awfully worried about moar gunz!!! all of a sudden.

293 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jul 2, 2014 7:40:06am

re: #290 b.d.

I went and bought these shiny jackboots and matching Sam Browne belt and *still* haven’t received my camp guard deployment orders.

294 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 7:40:52am

re: #290 b.d.

Can we please go ahead and open up those FEMA camps already?

My application for tower watchguard has been approved. I finally get to break out the sniper rifle that Uncle Soros bought me!

295 b.d.  Jul 2, 2014 7:42:03am

re: #294 Dr. Matt

My application for tower watchguard has been approved. I finally get to break out the sniper rifle that Uncle Soros bought me!

Remember! That sniper rifle is only to be used on people who refuse to bake teh gay wedding cakes or potential turtle harmers.

296 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 7:42:16am

re: #285 Targetpractice

Ben, it’s simple enough: If you don’t want to provide medical benefits which include contraceptive coverage, then don’t do so. Pay your employees the difference and let them find their own insurance, pay the fines, and be done with it.

Ben doesn’t have a business, has no clue how employee insurance benefits work, but he wants to pander to the fundamentalist crowd.

Also too: panders to the Bundy Ranch gun nuts.

What a fucking tool.

297 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 2, 2014 7:42:39am

re: #291 wheat-dogghazi

Can I get a job as a re-educator at a FEMA camp? It sounds like fun.
/

I want to work at the FEMA craft shop, you know, making trivets out of popsicle sticks, statues out of popsicle sticks, nameplates out of popsicle sticks.

RBS

298 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 2, 2014 7:42:52am

re: #295 b.d.

Remember! That sniper rifle is only to be used on people who refuse to bake teh gay wedding cakes or potential turtle harmers.

The turtles have been trained to detect tunneling attempts, have they not?
/

299 geoffm33  Jul 2, 2014 7:43:07am
Can we please go ahead and open up those FEMA camps already?

There’s a backlog of gay-marriage assignment paperwork holding up the camp openings. Lot’s of red tape as you can imagine. Just sit tight.

300 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 7:43:27am

Ben’s been on a tear since Monday, when he started (rightfully) getting chewed out for his glee over the HL ruling. He’s taken to the same bit a lot of wingnuts have, namely “If you want to have recreational sex, pay for your own condoms!”

301 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 7:43:40am

re:
#280

For which of your religious belief(s), Ben, is the Leftist Facisitic gubmit pointing a gun at you?

302 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 7:43:43am

It’s the 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act and I haven’t seen a wingnut break out that LBJ N-word quote.

303 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 7:44:51am

I think my FEMA camp application got caught in the backlog. Apparently the same one that’s holding up my Soros check.

304 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 7:45:01am

re:
#302

MLK was GOP!!!1 Confirmed. FACT.

305 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 7:45:19am

re: #302 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s the 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act and I haven’t seen a wingnut break out that LBJ N-word quote.

The day’s still young.

306 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 7:45:44am

I really, really, really feel sorry for Shapiro’s newborn. She is being raised by one of societies’ lowest common denominator.

307 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 7:47:07am

re:
#296

Kind of funny how all this Are religious beliefs haz been violated!!!11 outrage is over business practices, as opposed to, you know, actual religious observances.

308 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 7:53:00am

re: #307 Bulworth

re:
#296

Kind of funny how all this Are religious beliefs haz been violated!!!11 outrage is over business practices, as opposed to, you know, actual religious observances.

Making money is a form of worship to these people. Do not forget that when you try to ascertain what motivates them.

309 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 7:53:06am

And with the cake-baking business in particular, the religious claim is about the religious person’s “right” to exclude someone from a service. Some religion you got there.

310 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 2, 2014 8:00:50am

re: #309 Bulworth

And with the cake-baking business in particular, the religious claim is about the religious person’s “right” to exclude someone from a service. Some religion you got there.

Another example of the implementation being different from the base philosophy it supposedly stems from. I generally don’t blame the philosophy, I blame the assholes doing the implementing.

311 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 8:05:32am

If the rightwing nutjobs practice their christianity at all, they would know that what they do is exclusionary and evil. They do believe in the “anti-christ”, don’t they? Which of their candidates will fill that bill the best?

I’m just sayin’.

312 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 8:07:22am

The definition of Politically Correct: RWNJs “belief” is reason enough to prevent women from getting BCs through their employer provided health insurance.

313 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 8:09:40am

re: #312 Dr. Matt

The definition of Politically Correct: RWNJs “belief” is reason enough to prevent women from getting BCs through their employer provided health insurance.

According to RWNJs, employer-provided health insurance is “FREE STUFF” not something that is EARNED by the employee for working there. You know just like a paycheck is FREE MONEY.//

314 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 2, 2014 8:11:52am

re: #313 Pie-onist Overlord

According to RWNJs, employer-provided health insurance is “FREE STUFF” not something that is EARNED by the employee for working there. You know just like a paycheck is FREE MONEY.//

To many of them, Social Security and Medicare is also FREE STUFF because socialism.

80 years on, and some people still grumble about the New Deal.

315 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 8:11:59am

Target bans guns in stores, says firearms aren’t ‘family-friendly’

Looks like the ammosexual gun fetishists will have to go back to Walmart.

316 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 8:14:55am

re: #313 Pie-onist Overlord

According to RWNJs, employer-provided health insurance is “FREE STUFF” not something that is EARNED by the employee for working there. You know just like a paycheck is FREE MONEY.//

The few I’ve confronted about that and questioned as to why employers can’t simply dump the benefits and pay their employees the difference to buy their own insurance have generally all ended up at the same point: Health benefits are a form of “charity,” that it’s something that the employer gives as part of their “religious beliefs” rather than something that is earned. Thus forcing a company like Hobby Lobby to choose to either abide by the mandate or pay the fines is likewise a violation their “beliefs.”

317 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 8:15:17am

Lawyers, Guns & Money:

<Americans at their finest here

Three buses carrying 140 undocumented immigrants are heading back to San Diego County after being met by angry protesters at the Murrieta Border Patrol facility Tuesday afternoon.

The group was flown from Texas to San Diego Tuesday morning and quickly boarded buses bound for the facility. They arrived in Murrieta shortly after 2 p.m.

News Channel 3 and CBS Local 2 were in Murrieta for their arrival.

A group of protesters waving American Flags actually blocked the buses from entering the Border Patrol facility. Residents were lining the street early Tuesday morning with signs, one of which read, ‘Return to Sender’.

After the protesters intervened, the buses turned around and drove away from the facility. Our crew at the scene confirmed the buses are on their way back to San Diego County.

True American values are summed up by white yahoos spending the time to protest the transport of undocumented immigrants into their communities.

lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com

318 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 8:16:23am

re: #316 Targetpractice

The few I’ve confronted about that and questioned as to why employers can’t simply dump the benefits and pay their employees the difference to buy their own insurance have generally all ended up at the same point: Health benefits are a form of “charity,” that it’s something that the employer gives as part of their “religious beliefs” rather than something that is earned. Thus forcing a company like Hobby Lobby to choose to either abide by the mandate or pay the fines is likewise a violation their “beliefs.”

Did you ask if a paycheck is also a form of “charity” that “JRRB CREEYATERZ” give to workers out of the goodness of their hearts?

319 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 8:16:51am

re:
#315

UnAmericans!!!1 Anti-2ndAmendment!!!!11 Reboot Operation American SPRING!!!!11

320 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 8:18:14am

re: #318 Pie-onist Overlord

Did you ask if a paycheck is also a form of “charity” that “JRRB CREEYATERZ” give to workers out of the goodness of their hearts?

That’s an impression I’ve gotten on more than one occasion, that they think that, in light of more automation in the workplace, having a job at all is becoming a form of charity. After all, under their dogma, a robot is so much cheaper than a human worker.

321 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 8:18:39am

re: #294 Dr. Matt

My application for tower watchguard has been approved. I finally get to break out the sniper rifle that Uncle Soros bought me!

That’s a serious misallocation of resources that could better be used elsewhere. Black helicopters would be a far more useful mission, the trick is just not lead the little ones so much. ////////

322 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 2, 2014 8:20:23am

re: #316 Targetpractice

The few I’ve confronted about that and questioned as to why employers can’t simply dump the benefits and pay their employees the difference to buy their own insurance have generally all ended up at the same point: Health benefits are a form of “charity,” that it’s something that the employer gives as part of their “religious beliefs” rather than something that is earned. Thus forcing a company like Hobby Lobby to choose to either abide by the mandate or pay the fines is likewise a violation their “beliefs.”

Charity? When I was working in the USA, my (pre-ACA) family health plan cost me more than $300 a month, and that was the lowest available premium. That’s a weird kind of charity.

Are these knuckleheads aware that employers who don’t offer health bennies don’t attract employees? Employee benefits are good business sense, not charitable donations.

323 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 2, 2014 8:21:51am

re: #322 wheat-dogghazi

Charity? When I was working in the USA, my (pre-ACA) family health plan cost me more than $300 a month, and that was the lowest available premium. That’s a weird kind of charity.

Are these knuckleheads aware that employers who don’t offer health bennies don’t attract employees? Employee benefits are good business sense, not charitable donations.

I also get a nice statement from my employer every year spelling out how much I cost them — including money that doesn’t turn up on pay stub such as health plan contributions, etc.

324 Mike Lamb  Jul 2, 2014 8:22:33am

re: #281 Pie-onist Overlord

Ben Shapiro is a horrible human being.

Ben Shapiro is dumber than hammered whale shit.

325 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 8:22:51am

re: #322 wheat-dogghazi

Charity? When I was working in the USA, my (pre-ACA) family health plan cost me more than $300 a month, and that was the lowest available premium. That’s a weird kind of charity.

Are these knuckleheads aware that employers who don’t offer health bennies don’t attract employees? Employee benefits are good business sense, not charitable donations.

They’ve tried to compare it to things like an employee cafeteria or employee parking, saying the company provides such “free of charge,” and so health benefits are likewise something that the company provides to its workers. When you point out that employers provides those benefits in lieu of higher pay and you still have to pay premiums to use it, they shrug and say that if the company didn’t provide a cafeteria, the employee would have to pay for their own food anyway or some such shit.

326 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 8:23:14am

re: #320 Targetpractice

That’s an impression I’ve gotten on more than one occasion, that they think that, in light of more automation in the workplace, having a job at all is becoming a form of charity. After all, under their dogma, a robot is so much cheaper than a human worker.

Except when it breaks down or requires maintenance, and then they have to call in the robotics service engineer who charges $80/hr.

327 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 2, 2014 8:24:32am

re: #325 Targetpractice

They’ve tried to compare it to things like an employee cafeteria or employee parking, saying the company provides such “free of charge,” and so health benefits are likewise something that the company provides to its workers. When you point out that employers provides those benefits in lieu of higher pay and you still have to pay premiums to use it, they shrug and say that if the company didn’t provide a cafeteria, the employee would have to pay for their own food anyway or some such shit.

Do these people have jobs? Have they ever had jobs? If they have, then they’re beyond stupid.

328 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 8:24:57am

re: #325 Targetpractice

They’ve tried to compare it to things like an employee cafeteria or employee parking, saying the company provides such “free of charge,” and so health benefits are likewise something that the company provides to its workers. When you point out that employers provides those benefits in lieu of higher pay and you still have to pay premiums to use it, they shrug and say that if the company didn’t provide a cafeteria, the employee would have to pay for their own food anyway or some such shit.

Every company cafeteria at every workplace I have ever been, charges for the food just like any other food service.

329 blueraven  Jul 2, 2014 8:25:50am

re: #247 darthstar

Jobs numbers are leaking out two days early…because they don’t suck.

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Those are the private firm, ADP numbers. They always come out on Wednesday before the official govt (BLS) numbers which are released on the first Friday of each month.

However, this month due to July 4 being 1st Friday, the BLS numbers will come out tomorrow.

330 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 8:26:14am

re: #327 wheat-dogghazi

Do these people have jobs? Have they ever had jobs? If they have, then they’re beyond stupid.

You’re trying to apply logic to dogma. They believe it so strongly that all evidence to the contrary, even personal experience, is ignored.

331 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 2, 2014 8:26:18am

re: #328 Pie-onist Overlord

Every company cafeteria at every workplace I have ever been, charges for the food just like any other food service.

Ditto. Teachers even have to pay at school cafeterias.

332 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 2, 2014 8:27:48am

re: #330 Targetpractice

You’re trying to apply logic to dogma. They believe it so strongly that all evidence to the contrary, even personal experience, is ignored.

Like I said, beyond stupid. Dumb as a post.

333 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 8:28:21am

re: #328 Pie-onist Overlord

Every company cafeteria at every workplace I have ever been, charges for the food just like any other food service.

Yeah, but because the cafeteria exists, so their belief goes, it’s something that the employer has “given” to his employees. It’s not because it serves as an additional form of revenue as well as a way to keep employees within the bounds of the building, it’s there out of the kindness of the people running the company.

334 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 8:30:06am

I would have voted for Eisenhower.

335 Timothy Watson  Jul 2, 2014 8:30:42am

re: #334 Pie-onist Overlord

I would have voted for Eisenhower.

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The traitor and international war criminal…really?

(Reagan that is.)

336 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 2, 2014 8:30:49am

re: #333 Targetpractice

Yeah, but because the cafeteria exists, so their belief goes, it’s something that the employer has “given” to his employees. It’s not because it serves as an additional form of revenue as well as a way to keep employees within the bounds of the building, it’s there out of the kindness of the people running the company.

Does this “logic” extend to free toilets, as well?

337 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 8:31:07am

re: #333 Targetpractice

Yeah, but because the cafeteria exists, so their belief goes, it’s something that the employer has “given” to his employees. It’s not because it serves as an additional form of revenue as well as a way to keep employees within the bounds of the building, it’s there out of the kindness of the people running the company.

The cafeteria in the building where I work has nothing to do with the company, it’s an outside catering service.

338 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 8:31:10am

re: #334 Pie-onist Overlord

I would have voted for Eisenhower.

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As would I. But he doesn’t have the sort of advocates that Ronaldus Magnus has.

339 Dave In Austin  Jul 2, 2014 8:31:45am

re: #316 Targetpractice

Not charity. Benefit packages are part of negotiated “compensation”.

You may have to repeat that a time or two, but I still wouldn’t expect them to understand.

340 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 8:32:22am

re: #338 Targetpractice

As would I. But he doesn’t have the sort of advocates that Ronaldus Magnus has.

90% marginal tax rate on the top earners, sent U.S. marshals to enforce Civil Rights, RINO for sure!

341 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 8:32:54am

re: #336 wheat-dogghazi

Does this “logic” extend to free toilets, as well?

Of course. The employer “gives” to their employees by providing a safe environment, good benefits, and fair wages. All out of the kindness of their hearts, of course. It’s not trading labor for compensation, it’s doing a job for that really nice guy down the road who pays you well for clearing the weeds out of his yard.

342 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 2, 2014 8:33:29am

re: #334 Pie-onist Overlord

I would have voted for Eisenhower.

Eisenhower or Truman in my case. The rest got handed a much more stable situation due to them.

343 Timothy Watson  Jul 2, 2014 8:34:33am

(In case it wasn’t obvious, I was referring to Reagan in my previous comment.)

344 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 8:35:00am

I guess Inez does not receive healthcare as part of her Heritage internship.

345 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 8:35:08am

re: #318 Pie-onist Overlord

Did you ask if a paycheck is also a form of “charity” that “JRRB CREEYATERZ” give to workers out of the goodness of their hearts?

We are supposed to work for the Glory of God and to keep our sinful asses out of trouble. Any money that our employer deems to pay us is to be seen as a gift from God

346 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 8:35:51am

Inez has gotten even stupider since we made fun of her last year.

347 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 2, 2014 8:36:25am

re: #341 Targetpractice

Of course. The employer “gives” to their employees by providing a safe environment, good benefits, and fair wages. All out of the kindness of their hearts, of course. It’s not trading labor for compensation, it’s doing a job for that really nice guy down the road who pays you well for clearing the weeds out of his yard.

My head is spinning from such idiocy. These people want to return to the feudal era, where the lord owned all the lands and buildings and the tenants worked on the manor to benefit the lord.

348 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 8:37:17am
349 gwangung  Jul 2, 2014 8:37:30am

re: #347 wheat-dogghazi

My head is spinning from such idiocy. These people want to return to the feudal era, where the lord owned all the lands and buildings and the tenants worked on the manor to benefit the lord.

It’s inherent from their anti-union mindset.

It’s not a negotiation between two peers; it’s a dispensation from lord to serf.

350 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 8:37:32am

re: #342 Feline Fearless Leader

Eisenhower or Truman in my case. The rest got handed a much more stable situation due to them.

I’d argue that Truman was sort of the proto-Obama, in that he got handed off a war that he hadn’t started and had to not only deal with ending it and the aftermath, but also had to deal with the instability that war created on both the home front as well as foreign locals. He was a good leader who made the most of it, but history has not been kind to him.

351 Dave In Austin  Jul 2, 2014 8:37:42am

Eisenhower

“WE” built that! I.E. The nations interstate highway systems. And the American middle class as I once new it.

352 PhillyPretzel  Jul 2, 2014 8:38:18am

re: #346 Pie-onist Overlord

That is what happens when you join a think tank. Your thinking tanks out.

353 Timothy Watson  Jul 2, 2014 8:38:18am

re: #344 Pie-onist Overlord

I guess Inez does not receive healthcare as part of her Heritage internship.

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Who is that woman and how the hell did she get into UVA Law School?

354 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 8:38:25am

re: #347 wheat-dogghazi

My head is spinning from such idiocy. These people want to return to the feudal era, where the lord owned all the lands and buildings and the tenants worked on the manor to benefit the lord.

They want to return to chattel slavery days because feudalism is YURRUPEAN and they’re CONSTITUTION LOVIN’ AMERICANS!!!!!!!

355 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 8:39:00am

re: #347 wheat-dogghazi

My head is spinning from such idiocy. These people want to return to the feudal era, where the lord owned all the lands and buildings and the tenants worked on the manor to benefit the lord.

Pretty much. The Gilded Age is coming back with a vengeance, as employers chip away at decades of employee rights and protections in the name of profits.

356 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 8:40:00am

re: #313 Pie-onist Overlord

According to RWNJs, employer-provided health insurance is “FREE STUFF” not something that is EARNED by the employee for working there. You know just like a paycheck is FREE MONEY.//

Some of them amazingly believe that women getting BC through their employer-provided health insurance equates to taxpayer funded BC,

357 calochortus  Jul 2, 2014 8:41:08am

re: #309 Bulworth

And with the cake-baking business in particular, the religious claim is about the religious person’s “right” to exclude someone from a service. Some religion you got there.

Read your Bible carefully and you will find the part where Jesus says that a marriage isn’t valid without a professionally baked cake at the reception. You really can’t expect a someone to participate in a ceremony like that if they don’t believe the couple has a right to marry.
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358 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 2, 2014 8:41:24am

re: #349 gwangung

It’s inherent from their anti-union mindset.

It’s not a negotiation between two peers; it’s a dispensation from lord to serf.

Quite seriously, many of these nutjobs would like to roll back civilization 1,000 years — before universities, the Renaissance, the Reformation, and the Scientific and Industrial Revolutions. They all have the delusion that they would be the lords calling the shots, and not the peasants living in squalor.

359 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2014 8:42:12am

Poll: Americans consider Obama the worst President since WWII

(NOT from a wingnut site, originally found at time.com)

More Americans consider Barack Obama to be the worst President since World War II than they do any other president, according to a new poll.

The Quinnipiac poll out Wednesday found that 33% of Americans see Obama as the worst post-war president, while just 8% consider him the best. Another 28% see former President George W. Bush as the worst. Richard Nixon, the only American President ever to resign in disgrace, was picked the worst by 13%, according to the poll.

And 45% of Americans think the U.S. would be better off if Mitt Romney had been elected President in 2012, according to the poll, while 38% think the country would be worse off.

Ronald Reagan was the most common answer among those surveyed for the best President since World War II, with 35% choosing the Republican icon. Another 18% chose Bill Clinton, and 15% chose John F. Kennedy.

Where was this poll conducted, Idaho?

360 calochortus  Jul 2, 2014 8:42:40am

re: #358 wheat-dogghazi

Of course the lords lived in squalor too. It was just gold-plated squalor.

361 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 8:43:22am

re: #355 Targetpractice

Pretty much. The Gilded Age is coming back with a vengeance, as employers chip away at decades of employee rights and protections in the name of profits the Free Market.

362 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 8:44:05am

re: #318 Pie-onist Overlord

Did you ask if a paycheck is also a form of “charity” that “JRRB CREEYATERZ” give to workers out of the goodness of their hearts?

Actually, I have had bosses who took that attitude and they weren’t necessarily owners, either.

But you gotta remember, this is the south where I’ve worked most of my life.

Just wage slavery, doncha know, since they can’t have the other kind.

363 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 8:45:15am

re: #359 Eclectic Cyborg

Poll: Americans consider Obama the worst President since WWII

Comparing a sitting president to an ideological icon is like comparing your current spouse to the memory of your first big teenage romance.

364 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 8:45:47am

Repeat early and often.

Hobby Lobby and Conestoga were just two cases out of more than 100 dealing with the RFRA and ACA mandates. Many were remanded consistent with the Hobby Lobby case, but the fact is that these cases show that Hobby Lobby was anything but a narrow ruling.

It’s going to allow for all manner of mischief by employers who want to impose their religious views on the rights of their employees to manage their health in accordance with their own views and the consultation of their doctors.

365 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 8:46:30am

re: #361 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The really bad thing is, a lot of those people came from nothing themselves. It’s not as though they inherited it and were born with a silver spoon in their mouths.

These are the nouveau riche with a vengeance.

366 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 8:48:16am

re: #356 Dr. Matt

Some of them amazingly believe that women getting BC through their employer-provided health insurance equates to taxpayer funded BC,

Here is a typical example:

367 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 8:49:09am

re: #364 lawhawk

Repeat early and often.

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Hobby Lobby and Conestoga were just two cases out of more than 100 dealing with the RFRA and ACA mandates. Many were remanded consistent with the Hobby Lobby case, but the fact is that these cases show that Hobby Lobby was anything but a narrow ruling.

It’s going to allow for all manner of mischief by employers who want to impose their religious views on the rights of their employees to manage their health in accordance with their own views and the consultation of their doctors.

Ginsberg is gonna be the prophet of this, much like Scalia was with Windsor, seeing the full implications in a “narrow case” on the big picture. SCOTUS has now set precedent that “religious beliefs” do not have to pass strict scrutiny before the Court may consider if those beliefs are burdened by the law. That’s going to open a whole Pandora’s box of unintended consequences as companies find ways to get out from under federal regulations.

368 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 8:50:07am

In line with the original topic of this post:

369 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 8:50:08am

re: #359 Eclectic Cyborg

Poll: Americans consider Obama the worst President since WWII

(NOT from a wingnut site, originally found at time.com)

More Americans consider Barack Obama to be the worst President since World War II than they do any other president, according to a new poll.

Where was this poll conducted, Idaho?

How many Dems and Reps were polled? I can’t find that info anywhere.

370 Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2014 8:51:48am

WWJD? These are fake Christians.

371 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 8:53:12am

re: #370 Stanley Sea

WWJD? These are fake Christians.

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That guy is showing extreme restraint. I would have wanted to shut her piehole. : )

372 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 8:53:33am

re: #369 Dr. Matt

How many Dems and Reps were polled? I can’t find that info anywhere.

Nevermind….I found it:

PARTY IDENTIFICATION
Republican 26%
Democrat 31
Independent 35
Other/DK/NA 7

I call bullshit. RWNJs, GOP libertarians, teabaggers, etc all call themselves “Independent”.

373 geoffm33  Jul 2, 2014 8:53:48am

re: #369 Dr. Matt

How many Dems and Reps were polled? I can’t find that info anywhere.

Here is some more info:

374 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 8:54:06am
375 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2014 8:54:27am

re: #370 Stanley Sea

WWJD? These are fake Christians.

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I’m working on a page on this right now, since immigrant issues are near and dear to my heart.

376 geoffm33  Jul 2, 2014 8:54:31am

re: #372 Dr. Matt

Nevermind….I found it:

I call bullshit. RWNJs, GOP libertarians, teabaggers, etc all call themselves “Independent”.

Looks like you found it :)

377 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 8:55:58am

re: #372 Dr. Matt

Nevermind….I found it:

I call bullshit. RWNJs, GOP libertarians, teabaggers, etc all call themselves “Independent”.

Yeah, it was amazing how many “independents” popped up after 2008.

378 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 8:58:28am

re: #372 Dr. Matt

Nevermind….I found it:

I call bullshit. RWNJs, GOP libertarians, teabaggers, etc all call themselves “Independent”.

It also says, “generally speaking what do you consider yourself”.

Well, I “consider” myself a Democrat and would have answered the question that way, but I am registered as “unaffiliated”.

So, from the get-go, this is not an honest poll. Plenty of people were probably registered by party but consider themselves “independent”. As in “independent-minded”, not in actuality.

379 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 8:59:15am

re: #369 Dr. Matt

Here’s the underlying stats.

The demographics are here. 26% identify as GOP; 31% D, and 35% I; 7% other.

Those would appear to be valid figures, but the poll doesn’t quite bode as poorly for Obama as Time wants it to be.

In listing presidents since WWII (taking info from Q35), Obama is ahead of Truman, Ike, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, GHWB, and GWB.

Ahead of him: Reagan (35); Clinton (18); JFK (15), and then Obama (8).

Reagan’s numbers are inflated because Reagan is chosen by 66% of Rs, to the exclusion of all others (none of whom get more than 6%. Democrats spread the love among JFK, Clinton, Obama, and a handful of others.

The Q36 listing worst presidents shows that Obama and GWB are seen negatively by the opposite party in nearly similar levels. Independents are more sour on Obama than GWB, but that’s also a function of time and distance between Administrations/actions and retrospective views.

On Q37 - asking whether GWB or Obama are better, it’s a near split - 39/40, with predictable party line splits.

380 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 8:59:31am

re: #377 Targetpractice

Yeah, it was amazing how many “independents” popped up after 2008.

Yup. And there were quite a few popping up in 2006 when dubyah’s ratings were falling quicker than the economy.

381 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 9:01:31am

re: #378 Justanotherhuman

That’s not true. All polls of this kind ask the same question and ask for party affiliations in the same manner. The outcomes break down in a similar fashion, but as I noted in my prior posting, this poll isn’t nearly as bad as Time and others make it out to be for the President.

In fact, Obama is hardly worst since WWII. Right in the middle of the pack.

Polarizing, but not worst.

382 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 9:01:45am
383 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 9:01:59am

re: #380 Dr. Matt

Yup. And there were quite a few popping up in 2006 when dubyah’s ratings were falling quicker than the economy.

Indeed, I remember how many Republicans who suddenly started scraping their party stickers off their cars after the ‘06 midterms and denying party affiliation by declaring that they’d “never” supported Bush. Of course, they were the first with McCain signs on their lawns a year later.

384 wrenchwench  Jul 2, 2014 9:02:15am

re: #370 Stanley Sea

WWJD? These are fake Christians.

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When I heard about that this morning, my comment to Mr. w was, ‘Fucking Murrieta is a 30 year old town and they are worried about immigrants?’

I fact-checked myself later. Fucking Murrieta (which sounds like eyedrops but is named for the Basque sheep ranching family that settled there) has been incorporated for 23 years. At least 80% of the people who live there now were not there in 1980.

385 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 9:03:32am

16% of Dems think Obama is “about the same” as dubyah, i.e., the dudebro caucus.

386 wrenchwench  Jul 2, 2014 9:03:55am

re: #375 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m working on a page on this right now, since immigrant issues are near and dear to my heart.

Good. I look forward to it.

387 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 9:04:03am

re: #382 Pie-onist Overlord

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It helps to remember that, according to a lot of wingnuts, women shouldn’t work at all. So it doesn’t surprise me that they seem women with jobs as charity cases.

388 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 9:04:35am

re: #381 lawhawk

That’s not true. All polls of this kind ask the same question and ask for party affiliations in the same manner. The outcomes break down in a similar fashion, but as I noted in my prior posting, this poll isn’t nearly as bad as Time and others make it out to be for the President.

In fact, Obama is hardly worst since WWII. Right in the middle of the pack.

Polarizing, but not worst.

Yes, but you’re assuming people answer honestly about their affiliation. I don’t have any delusions about that. Polls don’t check your registration.

But your point in #379 is well taken.

389 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 9:04:55am

re: #385 Dr. Matt

16% of Dems think Obama is “about the same” as dubyah, i.e., the dudebro caucus.

There is some overlap, but a lot of that is as much a result of a sabotaged legislature than the man’s professed beliefs.

390 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 9:05:09am

re: #370 Stanley Sea

WWJD? These are fake Christians.

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Remember the story of Sodom and Gomorrah? And not the butt-sex part, either…

391 calochortus  Jul 2, 2014 9:07:32am

re: #387 Targetpractice

It helps to remember that, according to a lot of wingnuts, women shouldn’t work at all. So it doesn’t surprise me that they seem women with jobs as charity cases.

Women work for the traditional “pin money” so their labor doesn’t really count and wages are unimportant.
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392 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 9:08:37am

re:
#379

Hurr hurr this means country is conservative like US!!!11

393 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 9:08:53am

re: #388 Justanotherhuman

Yes, but you’re assuming people answer honestly about their affiliation. I don’t have any delusions about that. Polls don’t check your registration.

Moreover, 36% of “independents” think Prez Obama is the worst president and 59% of “independents” disapprove of his performance. Enough said.

394 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 9:09:30am

re:
#379

Hurr hurr this means 2008 and 2012 elections stolen VOTE FRAUD!!!!11 Confirmed. FACT.

395 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 9:09:41am

re: #390 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Remember the story of Sodom and Gomorrah? And not the butt-sex part, either…

The orgies?

396 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 9:11:14am

re: #388 Justanotherhuman

Yes, but you’re assuming people answer honestly about their affiliation. I don’t have any delusions about that. Polls don’t check your registration.

But your point in #379 is well taken.

If a pollster is consistent on how they address the party ID, then you’ve got internal consistency and can compare one poll to the next from the same pollster. That’s what the good ones try to do. They’ll also adjust the percentage of those polled to match with what they see as a current makeup of the electorate.

All have little control over how people answer these party ID questions - and while sabotaging the outcomes in polls is a possibility, I don’t think enough people are doing it to make the polls unreliable in that regard. Over time, those polls will even out the potential saboteur (who claims one party ID but is another IRL).

397 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 9:11:14am

re: #395 Dr. Matt

The orgies?

The sin of Sodom & Gomorrah had nothing to do with Teh Sexytimes, they were destroyed because of cruelty to the poor and homeless.

398 calochortus  Jul 2, 2014 9:12:09am

re: #397 Pie-onist Overlord

The sin of Sodom & Gomorrah had nothing to do with Teh Sexytimes, they were destroyed because of cruelty to the poor and homeless.

And this batch of “protesters” is particular charming since they are literally going after mothers with babes in arms.

399 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 9:12:13am

*FLIPS DESK*

400 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 9:12:15am

re: #397 Pie-onist Overlord

The sin of Sodom & Gomorrah had nothing to do with Teh Sexytimes, they were destroyed because of cruelty to the poor and homeless.

You win the Golden Calf for the day

401 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 9:13:36am
403 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 9:13:53am

This Reagan poll makes me wonder yet again what happened to that super serious totally not a political clown circus BENGHAZI!!!congressional supercommittee that was going to finally get all the answers behind the 2012 attacks in Libya.

404 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 9:14:07am

re: #399 Pie-onist Overlord

*FLIPS DESK*

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Considering late term abortions are illegal, any clinic providing them is already in violation of the law. I doubt worrying over the sanitary standards makes much of a difference.

405 blueraven  Jul 2, 2014 9:14:53am

re: #381 lawhawk

That’s not true. All polls of this kind ask the same question and ask for party affiliations in the same manner. The outcomes break down in a similar fashion, but as I noted in my prior posting, this poll isn’t nearly as bad as Time and others make it out to be for the President.

In fact, Obama is hardly worst since WWII. Right in the middle of the pack.

Polarizing, but not worst.

I do think however, that a majority of people who call themselves independent are far more to the right than to the left
It doesn’t invalidate the poll, but I always like to see it broken down by moderate, conservative, liberal….
But this is the nature of polling. The fact that so many people identify as independent is the mood of the country “at this time”.
The overall numbers are pretty consistent with other current polls.

406 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 9:14:57am

Whereas Republicans like Steve want women to die in dirty, unregulated, ILLEGAL abortion mills so they can brag about how “pro-life” they are.

407 calochortus  Jul 2, 2014 9:14:57am

re: #399 Pie-onist Overlord

*FLIPS DESK*

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Because childbirth is so safe? Death rates in the US are up.

408 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 9:15:00am

re:
#499

Womens bodies PILING UP!!!!! Confirmed. FACTs.

409 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 9:15:34am

re: #403 Bulworth

This Reagan poll makes me wonder yet again what happened to that super serious totally not a political clown circus BENGHAZI!!!congressional supercommittee that was going to finally get all the answers behind the 2012 attacks in Libya.

Still engaged in navel-gazing, at least so I’ve heard. Obvious answer is they don’t really intend to get it rolling until the fall, just in time for any major “bombshells” to linger into Election Day.

410 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 9:15:55am

re: #408 Bulworth

re:
#499

Womens bodies PILING UP!!!!! Confirmed. FACTs.

brings back unpleasant memories of that image posted yesterday…

411 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 9:16:39am

re: #404 Targetpractice

Considering late term abortions are illegal, any clinic providing them is already in violation of the law. I doubt worrying over the sanitary standards makes much of a difference.

RWNJ’s use arbitrary “sanitary standards” like requiring a random size for janitorial closets, specifically with the objective to shut down the facility.

412 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 9:16:41am

re: #373 geoffm33

Here is some more info:

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Another bias in that poll is that only 7% were Hispanic, yet the Hispanic population is rapidly edging toward 20% of the total population. The white population was around 72% in 2010, but some Hispanics identify as “white” or “other”, not as ethnic Hispanics who share a common language and culture. The Black %s are pretty much the same. The “others” could have been Asian, Native American or some other ethnicity and also non-identified as ethnic Hispanics.

People tend to self-identify both racially and ethnically.

413 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 9:18:07am

re: #399 Pie-onist Overlord

414 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 9:18:13am

re: #411 Pie-onist Overlord

RWNJ’s use arbitrary “sanitary standards” like requiring a random size for janitorial closets, specifically with the objective to shut down the facility.

Yep, TRAP laws are their way of effectively banning legal abortion through legal trickery. And so far, the courts have been hit or miss in getting such laws overturned. It’s going to take SCOTUS to put a stop to it all…and I’m not getting my hopes up.

415 calochortus  Jul 2, 2014 9:18:34am

Legal abortions are pretty safe. Making abortion harder and more expensive drives women to back alley abortionists, not into great prenatal care and happy adoptions.

416 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 9:18:46am

re: #412 Justanotherhuman

Point is, it is just more proof that Obama must be removed from office through any and all means and replaced by Zombie Reagan.

417 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 9:20:03am

re: #416 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Point is, it is just more proof that Obama must be removed from office through any and all means and replaced by Zombie Reagan.

Who will respond by chopping the tax rates, sending Ollie North to deal with the Iranians (again), and will respond to a mass casualty attack on a US military installation overseas with a few rockets/missiles, but otherwise let those responsible go without the justice so many demanded.

418 Lidane  Jul 2, 2014 9:21:33am

I wonder when the first bar standoff will happen.

419 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 9:22:46am

MrBWS is restoring power in Goshen, Indiana.
I said “oh, you’re in Amish country.”
He said “well, guess that explains all the windmills around here.”
I reminded him to keep an eye out for buggies on the roads.

420 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 9:23:12am

re:
#418

Do you have something against old west like shootouts in stores, gas stations, churches, etc?

////

421 wrenchwench  Jul 2, 2014 9:23:14am

re: #404 Targetpractice

Considering late term abortions are illegal, any clinic providing them is already in violation of the law. I doubt worrying over the sanitary standards makes much of a difference.

Some late term abortions are legal. They are more complicated, more likely to result in a dead patient. But I don’t think any patient of a legal late term abortion has died from unsanitary conditions. Those arise when legal abortions in any trimester are so difficult to get that illegal options crop up. That’s where the Gosnell-type conditions happen. RWNJs do not object to Gosnell-type operations, because it give them fodder to paint abortion as a horrible thing entirely. They created Gosnell, and destroyed several women there, physically and/or otherwise.

422 Lidane  Jul 2, 2014 9:24:14am

re: #414 Targetpractice

It’s going to take SCOTUS to put a stop to it all…and I’m not getting my hopes up.

We’d need to have several Democratic appointments to SCOTUS first. The current court is useless for women, as proven by the Hobby Lobby case.

423 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 2, 2014 9:24:17am

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS is restoring power in Goshen, Indiana.
I said “oh, you’re in Amish country.”
He said “well, guess that explains all the windmills around here.”
I reminded him to keep an eye out for buggies on the roads.

I meant to ask the other day if he had his ‘go-bag’ packed, when we were talking about the storms.

RB

424 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 9:24:37am

Look what’s located in Murrieta! An all white “christian college”!

calvarychapelbiblecollege.com

425 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 9:25:35am

re: #423 RealityBasedSteve

I meant to ask the other day if he had his ‘go-bag’ packed, when we were talking about the storms.

RB

yep, he had it packed and ready on Monday night.

426 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 9:28:02am

re: #417 lawhawk

Who will respond by chopping the tax rates, sending Ollie North to deal with the Iranians (again), and will respond to a mass casualty attack on a US military installation overseas with a few rockets/missiles, but otherwise let those responsible go without the justice so many demanded.

He will simply serve as a blank screen for True Patriots everywhere to project their image of what a President should be…

427 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 9:28:06am

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS is restoring power in Goshen, Indiana.
I said “oh, you’re in Amish country.”
He said “well, guess that explains all the windmills around here.”
I reminded him to keep an eye out for buggies on the roads.

There can’t be that much power to restore, then. He should be back home in no time!!
//

Thanks for all the hard work he does after a storm.

428 OhNoZombies!  Jul 2, 2014 9:29:11am

re: #347 wheat-dogghazi

My head is spinning from such idiocy. These people want to return to the feudal era, where the lord owned all the lands and buildings and the tenants worked on the manor to benefit the lord.

I don’t know how many times I’ve said this very thing.
I imagine all of the little peasants clustered around Walmart Castle eking out a meager living…
Oh wait, I don’t really have to imagine that, do I.

429 blueraven  Jul 2, 2014 9:30:15am

re: #412 Justanotherhuman

Another bias in that poll is that only 7% were Hispanic, yet the Hispanic population is rapidly edging toward 20% of the total population. The white population was around 72% in 2010, but some Hispanics identify as “white” or “other”, not as ethnic Hispanics who share a common language and culture. The Black %s are pretty much the same. The “others” could have been Asian, Native American or some other ethnicity and also non-identified as ethnic Hispanics.

People tend to self-identify both racially and ethnically.

This poll is from Registered Voters, not all Americans.
Unfortunately, minorities are under-represented when it comes to actually voting.

430 Mike Lamb  Jul 2, 2014 9:30:19am

re: #381 lawhawk

That’s not true. All polls of this kind ask the same question and ask for party affiliations in the same manner. The outcomes break down in a similar fashion, but as I noted in my prior posting, this poll isn’t nearly as bad as Time and others make it out to be for the President.

In fact, Obama is hardly worst since WWII. Right in the middle of the pack.

Polarizing, but not worst.

Is it fair to call him polarizing? Isn’t it more fair to say that a group of people went insane?

431 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 9:30:55am

re: #427 Pie-onist Overlord

There can’t be that much power to restore, then. He should be back home in no time!!
//

Thanks for all the hard work he does after a storm.

heh, that’s what he said when I told him Amish country. :D

432 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 9:30:55am

re: #421 wrenchwench

Some late term abortions are legal. They are more complicated, more likely to result in a dead patient. But I don’t think any patient of a legal late term abortion has died from unsanitary conditions. Those arise when legal abortions in any trimester are so difficult to get that illegal options crop up. That’s where the Gosnell-type conditions happen. RWNJs do not object to Gosnell-type operations, because it give them fodder to paint abortion as a horrible thing entirely. They created Gosnell, and destroyed several women there, physically and/or otherwise.

What always gets me are the people who believe that banning guns will never work because criminals won’t give up their guns and just find ways to get them illegally believe you can ban abortion and women pregnant with unwanted children will just magically decide to tough out the pregnancy.

433 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 9:31:27am

re: #430 Mike Lamb

Is it fair to call him polarizing? Isn’t it more fair to say that a group of people went insane?

they were already insane, Obama just caused them to voice their lunacy more clearly

434 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 9:32:07am

re: #433 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

they were already insane, Obama just caused them to voice their lunacy more clearly loudly

FTFY

435 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 9:32:24am

re: #432 Targetpractice

What always gets me are the people who believe that banning guns will never work because criminals won’t give up their guns and just find ways to get them illegally believe you can ban abortion and women pregnant with unwanted children will just magically decide to tough out the pregnancy.

Because unlimited gunz is is a God-given right, abortion isn’t.

/

436 Lidane  Jul 2, 2014 9:33:03am
437 Decatur Deb  Jul 2, 2014 9:33:04am

re: #429 blueraven

This poll is from Registered Voters, not all Americans.
Unfortunately, minorities are under-represented when it comes to actually voting.

Working on that…

438 Mike Lamb  Jul 2, 2014 9:34:05am

re: #399 Pie-onist Overlord

*FLIPS DESK*

[Embedded content]

Sofa King stupid…

439 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 2, 2014 9:34:41am

re: #383 Targetpractice

Indeed, I remember how many Republicans who suddenly started scraping their party stickers off their cars after the ‘06 midterms and denying party affiliation by declaring that they’d “never” supported Bush. Of course, they were the first with McCain signs on their lawns a year later.

The way to spot them in the northeast is seeing if their campaign ads included a party affiliation. If it does - Democrat. If it doesn’t - GOP.

440 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 9:35:39am

First day of ‘guns everywhere’ law in GA sparks convenience store showdown

Around 3:00 p.m., a customer entered the Enmark store on Park Avenue with a gun holstered to his hip. Another customer, who was also carrying a holstered weapon, approached the first man and demanded to see his ID and gun permit.

As he demanded the first customer’s ID, the second man pulled his own gun from its holster, but pointed it at the floor. The first customer protested that he isn’t legally required to show any ID or permits.

Still holding his gun, the second customer demanded again to see the other man’s permit and ID. The first customer, undeterred by the unholstered weapon, paid for his purchases and exited the store, then called police.

File this under: “We told you so”

441 calochortus  Jul 2, 2014 9:37:02am

re: #440 Dr. Matt

First day of ‘guns everywhere’ law in GA sparks convenience store showdown

File this under: “We told you so”

Because dominance displays are always better when both sides are armed.

442 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 9:37:03am

re: #421 wrenchwench

Let’s also not forget that Gosnell operated in DE and PA, and state regulators didn’t bother to check on any complaints against him, and that his arrest only came after the state was investigating him on pill-mill related charges and found the horror show of egregious issues.

The state, which had licensing and oversight rules on how a clinic should function/operate, didn’t bother enforcing the law on the books, prosecutors didn’t bother investigating mysterious deaths of his former patients, and didn’t bother going inside the clinic at all. Had they done any of that, Gosnell would have been stopped so much sooner.

TRAP laws, on the other hand, are meant to put legitimate clinics out of business with restrictions and regulations that are oppressive and meant to be so cost-prohibitive that they can’t be met; whether it’s requiring medical facilities to be of a certain type, or that the doctor has to have admitting privileges at a hospital within a certain distance of the clinic, etc.

443 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 9:37:41am

FBI hopes to identify potential victims of a salesman accused of videotaping himself raping girls; Matthew Coniglio arrested April 10 at Georgia home on a child pornography charge - @AP
End of alert
2014 World Cup

Too bad this bastard got off so easily.

wsav.com

444 Mike Lamb  Jul 2, 2014 9:37:47am

re: #440 Dr. Matt

First day of ‘guns everywhere’ law in GA sparks convenience store showdown

File this under: “We told you so”

You don’t get it…these were responsible gun owners because no one was actually shot.

I think they are going to need to issue t-shirts with the permits that say “Not a bad guy” or “I’m a good guy with a gun”. That’d totally clear things up.

445 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 2, 2014 9:37:51am

re: #440 Dr. Matt

First day of ‘guns everywhere’ law in GA sparks convenience store showdown

File this under: “We told you so”

And how soon until something like that turns into mutual “Stand Your Ground” with some deaths and by-standers injured?

446 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2014 9:39:03am

re: #399 Pie-onist Overlord

*FLIPS DESK*

[Embedded content]

“Pile up?”

Where in the world is he getting those statistics from?

447 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 2, 2014 9:39:14am

re: #444 Mike Lamb

You don’t get it…these were responsible gun owners because no one was actually shot.

I think they are going to need to issue t-shirts with the permits that say “Not a bad guy” or “I’m a good guy with a gun”. That’d totally clear things up.

If those were banned would then only criminals wear “Good guy with a gun” T-shirts?

448 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 9:39:23am

re: #441 calochortus

Because dominance displays are always better when both sides are armed.

And under SYG, the second ammosexual would have been justified in gunning down the first ammosexual. Take home lesson: avoid Georgia.

449 wrenchwench  Jul 2, 2014 9:41:11am

re: #442 lawhawk

Let’s also not forget that Gosnell operated in DE and PA, and state regulators didn’t bother to check on any complaints against him, and that his arrest only came after the state was investigating him on pill-mill related charges and found the horror show of egregious issues.

The state, which had licensing and oversight rules on how a clinic should function/operate, didn’t bother enforcing the law on the books, prosecutors didn’t bother investigating mysterious deaths of his former patients, and didn’t bother going inside the clinic at all. Had they done any of that, Gosnell would have been stopped so much sooner.

TRAP laws, on the other hand, are meant to put legitimate clinics out of business with restrictions and regulations that are oppressive and meant to be so cost-prohibitive that they can’t be met; whether it’s requiring medical facilities to be of a certain type, or that the doctor has to have admitting privileges at a hospital within a certain distance of the clinic, etc.

Yes, exactly.

It’s not irony, it’s more like proof of maleficence on the part of the ‘pro-life’ forces. I don’t know why that’s not crystal clear to everyone.

450 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 9:41:50am
451 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2014 9:43:00am

Just when you thought the gun memes couldn’t get any dumber…

452 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 9:43:40am

re: #449 wrenchwench

PA, which is home to the state that led to Penn. Planned Parenthood v. Casey, with governors and AGs who are willing to restrict abortion rights to women. So it’s not like we’re talking about a state willing to look the other way.

This is a state where they wanted restrictions on abortions; their state officials and law enforcement purposefully and willfully looked the other way in investigating complaints against Gosnell - primarily because Gosnell was dealing with minorities and women who were unlikely to go to the authorities if something went wrong.

453 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 9:44:09am

re:
#451

Sounds like something the gun makers’ ad wizards came up with.

454 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 9:44:22am

re: #451 Eclectic Cyborg

Just when you thought the gun memes couldn’t get any dumber…

Ah, what a responsible gun owner….not knowing how many weapons you possess. Bravo.

455 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 9:44:53am

my favorite one so far:

456 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 9:45:54am

re: #429 blueraven

This poll is from Registered Voters, not all Americans.
Unfortunately, minorities are under-represented when it comes to actually voting.

I also know a lot of white people who don’t bother to register. Most of my neighbors, as a matter of fact, who take the attitude that “all politicians are the same”.

I’ve been called by pollsters a number of times, but on 2 occasions as soon as I identified as leaning Dem my “opinion” was no longer needed.

457 OhNoZombies!  Jul 2, 2014 9:46:35am

I wonder what would prompt one gun guy to question the right of another gun guy’s right to carry? You would think they would be all aglow with gun lust.
Unless one guy looked a little different from the other guy….

458 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2014 9:47:19am

Mississippi adds “In God we trust” to State Seal

Remember that other part of Senate Bill 2681? Not the controversial Religious Freedom Restoration Act that made national headlines, but the part of the bill that added “In God We Trust” to the state seal. That also took effect Tuesday, and Governor Phil Bryant is showing off the new design.

“In my State of the State Address, I called on the Legislature to add the simple yet profound words ‘In God We Trust’ to Mississippi’s state seal. These words should strengthen our resolve and give us the courage to stand for our principles in our state. I am very proud to see them added to our seal,” Bryant said Tuesday.

I wonder how long until it’s challenged in court.

459 PhillyPretzel  Jul 2, 2014 9:48:11am

re: #458 Eclectic Cyborg

In about 5 4 3 2 … /

460 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2014 9:48:31am

re: #450 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hahahahaha. Awesome, but what’s the one on the bottom left?

461 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 9:49:47am

re: #460 Eclectic Cyborg

Hahahahaha. Awesome, but what’s the one on the bottom left?

meteor extinction?

462 GunstarGreen  Jul 2, 2014 9:51:13am

Surprising absolutely no one, it took less than a day for the new GUNZ ERRYWHAR!!1!!1!! law here in Georgiastan to produce some bugfuck insane assholes pointing guns at each other in a public place surrounded by innocent bystanders.

Responsible Gun Owners™.

463 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 9:52:55am

re:
#458

These words should strengthen our resolve and give us the courage to stand for our principles in our state.

I wonder what “principles” those might be……

NO ABORTIONZZZZ!!!!111 NO GAY MARRIGAGWE!!11

464 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 9:53:52am

re:
#457

Maybe they were comparing gun sizes……

465 Dr Lizardo  Jul 2, 2014 9:54:26am

re: #460 Eclectic Cyborg

Hahahahaha. Awesome, but what’s the one on the bottom left?

The Chicxulub Impact event.

466 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 2, 2014 9:54:48am

re: #463 Bulworth

And no Observant Jews, either, because actually saying the name of God isn’t allowed.

The GOP has become the far-right Christian party. That’s their core identity.

467 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 9:55:56am

re:
#466

People might not have healthcare, or any money for food or jobs. But at least the state would be “standing up for our principles”.

468 calochortus  Jul 2, 2014 9:58:34am

re: #467 Bulworth

re:
#466

People might not have healthcare, or any money for food or jobs. But at least the state would be “standing up for our principles”.

Well, it does kind of fit. “We’ll just trust the supernatural to provide for people who aren’t us.”

469 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 9:58:44am

re: #244 KerFuFFler

The Catholics have a long history of doing precisely that. I suspect the comfort with such authority made it easy for five of the Catholic justices on the Supreme Court to impose their view on everyone else———-after all, they are RIGHT! The Pope says so.///

Sure. The RCC has its own definition of who is a Christian, so do the Baptists, the Orthodox, etc. Which is why I think we should avoid sectarian definitions having to do with personal interpretations of the scriptures. This includes calling people “fake Christians” because their interpretation of Christianity doesn’t correspond to some other.

In general (with possible weird exceptions upon which we don’t have to dwell right now), a Christian is someone, who believes in Jesus as the Son of God. Period. A Christian can be greedy, evil, racist, etc. - this says something about him as a human being, possibly about his consistency, but nothing about the fact of his Christianity. Because the definition of a Christian (or of any other religious identification) does not include the words “nice guy”.

470 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2014 9:59:55am

re: #465 Dr Lizardo

The Chicxulub Impact event.

Lol, the picture changed, I was referring to the one with the two soccer players that are about take each other down or something.

471 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 10:00:22am

Mississippi has been going Galt for so long it’s the poorest state in the country.

472 danarchy  Jul 2, 2014 10:00:39am

re: #470 Eclectic Cyborg

Lol, the picture changed, I was referring to the one with the two soccer players that are about take each other down or something.

That was the bite everyone was talking about last week.

473 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 10:01:25am

re: #452 lawhawk

PA, which is home to the state that led to Penn. Planned Parenthood v. Casey, with governors and AGs who are willing to restrict abortion rights to women. So it’s not like we’re talking about a state willing to look the other way.

This is a state where they wanted restrictions on abortions; their state officials and law enforcement purposefully and willfully looked the other way in investigating complaints against Gosnell - primarily because Gosnell was dealing with minorities and women who were unlikely to go to the authorities if something went wrong.

It’s like back in the old days in Charlotte. There was one Black dr performing abortions in the early 60s. Everyone knew about it but it was allowed to go on because the authorities looked the other way. However, I did know of a couple of desperate white women who got abortions there also, but if anything had gone wrong, he would have been shut down and prosecuted. He was the only “legit” dr around that women actually could trust not to harm them; if you had enough money, you could travel to get an abortion, or if you were young or college age, you would be sent to one of those “maternity homes” (there was one in Charlotte) and hidden away for your pregnancy.

474 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 2, 2014 10:01:30am

re: #469 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Sure. The RCC has its own definition of who is a Christian, so do the Baptists, the Orthodox, etc. Which is why I think we should avoid sectarian definitions having to do with personal interpretations of the scriptures. This includes calling people “fake Christians” because their interpretation of Christianity doesn’t correspond to some other.

again, it is not the role of the government to peer into people’s souls and determine their “sincere, deeply-held beliefs”: that is part of the wisdom of the Founding Fathers in separating Church and State in the first f***ing place…

475 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 2, 2014 10:02:30am

re: #469 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Theological nitpick: I’d argue that a Christian has to believe Jesus is not only the son of God but also God. Are there any remotely mainstream Christian churches that reject that idea?

476 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 10:02:46am

re: #470 Eclectic Cyborg

Lol, the picture changed, I was referring to the one with the two soccer players that are about take each other down or something.

oh, this one:

477 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 10:03:12am

re: #474 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Sure, though I wasn’t talking about a state at all.

478 OhNoZombies!  Jul 2, 2014 10:04:35am

re: #475 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Theological nitpick: I’d argue that a Christian has to believe Jesus is not only the son of God but also God. Are there any remotely mainstream Christian churches that reject that idea?

Jehova’s Witnesses. Jesus is only the son of God.

479 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 10:05:09am

re: #475 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Theological nitpick: I’d argue that a Christian has to believe Jesus is not only the son of God but also God. Are there any remotely mainstream Christian churches that reject that idea?

In an earlier comment I did mention this issue. I think this would disqualify a large chunk of early Christians and groups like JWs.

480 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 10:06:52am
481 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 10:07:11am

Isn’t Carson a Seventh Day Adventist?

“Seventh-day Adventists have traditionally identified Michael the archangel of Jude 9 and Revelation 12:7 as Jesus Christ. This has led to the criticism that Adventism denies the divinity of Christ, a charge which Adventists responded to in chapter 8 of Questions on Doctrine.

“We believe that the term ‘Michael’ is but one of the many titles applied to the Son of God, the second person of the Godhead. But such a view does not in any way conflict with our belief in His full deity and eternal pre-existence, nor does it in the least disparage His person and work.”[57]

en.wikipedia.org

482 Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2014 10:07:56am

re: #470 Eclectic Cyborg

Lol, the picture changed, I was referring to the one with the two soccer players that are about take each other down or something.

The bite!

483 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 10:08:05am

For those who may be interested:

484 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 10:08:30am

re: #481 Justanotherhuman

Interesting, for Mormons Michael is Adam. (Just a side note.)

485 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 10:09:07am

re: #476 Backwoods_Sleuth

That bottom left is the one where Uraguay’s Luis Suárez bit Giorgio Chiellini.

486 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 2, 2014 10:09:33am

re: #479 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

In an earlier comment I did mention this issue. I think this would disqualify a large chunk of early Christians and groups like JWs.

Early Christians and modern Christians don’t share every much.

But you’re right: broader taxonomies are the more tolerant. It’s kind of the classic question about whether a definition should include or exclude.

487 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 10:09:38am

Pro-life.

• But climate change is a hoax.
• The death penalty is awesome.
• Pre and post natal care is teh Soshulism.
• Collateral damage is worth it.

Yep. Prof-life.

488 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 10:11:23am

Still love the wingnuts who are swearing up and down that this case will apply only to the mandate and only matter for this specific instance. No precedent was set, nobody need worry that their boss might decide to deny coverage for transfusions or gel capsules, because SCOTUS most definitely did not allow anyone other than fundie Christians to fuck over their employees.

489 OhNoZombies!  Jul 2, 2014 10:11:31am

Wholly crap !!!!
I didn’t realize that IMC was you Sergey!
How’s it going?!?

490 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 10:12:29am

re: #489 OhNoZombies!

LOL! Everything is pretty good, thanks. What about you?

491 Romantic Heretic  Jul 2, 2014 10:15:22am

re: #402 lawhawk

Georgia’s new gun carry laws are working as well as should be expected.

That took longer than I thought.

Sounds like the guy that was arrested thought he was Judge Dredd. “I am the law!”

492 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 10:16:00am
493 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 2, 2014 10:16:12am

re: #475 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Theological nitpick: I’d argue that a Christian has to believe Jesus is not only the son of God but also God. Are there any remotely mainstream Christian churches that reject that idea?

Not a requirement for UU.

494 Lidane  Jul 2, 2014 10:16:40am

re: #488 Targetpractice

Still love the wingnuts who are swearing up and down that this case will apply only to the mandate and only matter for this specific instance. No precedent was set, nobody need worry that their boss might decide to deny coverage for transfusions or gel capsules, because SCOTUS most definitely did not allow anyone other than fundie Christians to fuck over their employees.

I see that a lot. People have convinced themselves that the Hobby Lobby case only applies to “abortion causing birth control” and not to everything. And they don’t seem to comprehend just how awful this decision was. It’s just a bunch of liberals screaming about nothing.

It’s frustrating.

495 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 10:17:04am

I used to hit Hobby Lobby from time to time. It was always kind of odd going in there. Like taking a walk in time. Not too far back. Seems like it got stuck somewhere in the late 70s.

496 sagehen  Jul 2, 2014 10:17:04am

re: #478 OhNoZombies!

Jehova’s Witnesses. Jesus is only the son of God.

Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t vote.

I remember being absolutely gobsmacked when I learned that; they’ll knock on strangers’ doors to talk about religion, but they feel that earthly politics (even the most minimal participation in democracy) is an ungodly pursuit, that it’s not up to them to pick leaders or promote legislation or in any other way try to run other people’s lives. (except the attempted persuasion of knocking on your door and telling you about their religion).

497 OhNoZombies!  Jul 2, 2014 10:17:49am

re: #490 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I can’t complain…healthy happy family and all of that.
:-)

498 EPR-radar  Jul 2, 2014 10:17:51am

re: #442 lawhawk

Let’s also not forget that Gosnell operated in DE and PA, and state regulators didn’t bother to check on any complaints against him, and that his arrest only came after the state was investigating him on pill-mill related charges and found the horror show of egregious issues.

The state, which had licensing and oversight rules on how a clinic should function/operate, didn’t bother enforcing the law on the books, prosecutors didn’t bother investigating mysterious deaths of his former patients, and didn’t bother going inside the clinic at all. Had they done any of that, Gosnell would have been stopped so much sooner.

TRAP laws, on the other hand, are meant to put legitimate clinics out of business with restrictions and regulations that are oppressive and meant to be so cost-prohibitive that they can’t be met; whether it’s requiring medical facilities to be of a certain type, or that the doctor has to have admitting privileges at a hospital within a certain distance of the clinic, etc.

Any supreme court worth the name that hears a TRAP case should blow it out of the water in a 1 page opinion and order the TRAP side of the case to pay all costs for the proceedings at SCOTUS and all lower courts.

Of course, there is no chance that this SCOTUS will be so reasonable.

499 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 10:17:56am

re:
#488

Yeah it was only a very narrow religious rights focused case you libtards and womenz shouldn’t worry about it and your all making too much of it and OMG THIS WAS SUCH A BIG VICTORY HAHAHAHA YOU LOSE LIBTARDS!1111

500 b.d.  Jul 2, 2014 10:19:42am

*snort*

501 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 10:20:02am

re: #494 Lidane

I see that a lot. People have convinced themselves that the Hobby Lobby case only applies to “abortion causing birth control” and not to everything. And they don’t seem to comprehend just how awful this decision was. It’s just a bunch of liberals screaming about nothing.

It’s frustrating.

Of course, that has a lot to do with their major “news” sources all telling them that the response to the precedent is “hysteria” because, of course, this is just one ruling that’s “narrow” and totally not in any way precedent. Just like Windsor didn’t matter so long as state bans on gay marriage held.

502 Kragar  Jul 2, 2014 10:20:14am

TRAP laws are not about safety. Its about limiting access to abortions under the guise of safety.

503 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 10:20:15am

re:
#488

Yeah a very minor case on a very minor issue no big deal and Erick son of Erick—THIS IS THE BIGGESTEST VICTORY EVER AND IM GOING TO CHICFILA TO CELEBRATES!!!!!!!!111

504 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 2, 2014 10:20:21am

re: #496 sagehen

Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t vote.

I remember being absolutely gobsmacked when I learned that; they’ll knock on strangers’ doors to talk about religion, but they feel that earthly politics (even the most minimal participation in democracy) is an ungodly pursuit, that it’s not up to them to pick leaders or promote legislation or in any other way try to run other people’s lives. (except the attempted persuasion of knocking on your door and telling you about their religion).

I had one tell me as an aside once that Israel was going to eventually get what was coming to them. But that’s less politics and more likely some latent anti-Semitism in that particular congregation I guess.

505 PhillyPretzel  Jul 2, 2014 10:20:22am

re: #495 Gus

In my area there is Michael’s and AC Moore. I go into those stores once in a while.

506 Romantic Heretic  Jul 2, 2014 10:21:30am

re: #446 Eclectic Cyborg

“Pile up?”

Where in the world is he getting those statistics from?

His ass.

507 Lidane  Jul 2, 2014 10:21:34am
508 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 10:21:54am

re: #488 Targetpractice

Still love the wingnuts who are swearing up and down that this case will apply only to the mandate and only matter for this specific instance. No precedent was set, nobody need worry that their boss might decide to deny coverage for transfusions or gel capsules, because SCOTUS most definitely did not allow anyone other than fundie Christians to fuck over their employees.

Repeated from above, but worth noting early and often - Hobby Lobby was only one of a series of cases on the issue of RFRA and ACA mandates. The remand and orders point to the case being just as broad as Ginsberg’s dissent warned.

509 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2014 10:22:02am

re: #507 Lidane

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I wonder how different the world would be if men could get pregnant.

510 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 10:22:16am

re: #507 Lidane

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Says the fat ass that went on “vacation” carrying a bottle of Viagra with him. Hey Rush, perhaps God is sending you a message!

511 Justanotherhuman  Jul 2, 2014 10:22:16am

I hope we never see another one like Floyd. NC is 4th in hurricanes, after FL, LA and TX.

512 Kragar  Jul 2, 2014 10:23:11am

re: #507 Lidane

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“A certain thing”? What, being female?

513 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 10:23:32am

re:
#488

Yeah this was not a big deal won’t deprive any womenz of thare rights they can just go buyz the pills by themselves and THIS TOTALLY ENDS FOR ALL TIME CONSEQUENCE FREE SEXYTIME!!!!!!111

514 Mike Lamb  Jul 2, 2014 10:23:44am

re: #507 Lidane

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That feels like a hashtag with solid potential…

515 Dr Lizardo  Jul 2, 2014 10:24:25am

re: #493 Feline Fearless Leader

Not a requirement for UU.

Yeah, most Unitarian Universalists are of the view that Jesus was a man, but had a special relationship with God.

Many, many years ago, it was UU that got me to put 2+2 together; we were talking on the subject of the divinity of Jesus, and he reckoned that particular notion migrated into early Christianity from the Greco-Roman world. I looked at him, perhaps quizically, and he asked, “Ever read about ancient Greek and Roman mythology? All those stories about demigods? Hercules? Perseus, etc?”

And it all fell into place for me with a neat little click.

516 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 10:24:29am
517 OhNoZombies!  Jul 2, 2014 10:25:06am

re: #496 sagehen

Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t vote.

I remember being absolutely gobsmacked when I learned that; they’ll knock on strangers’ doors to talk about religion, but they feel that earthly politics (even the most minimal participation in democracy) is an ungodly pursuit, that it’s not up to them to pick leaders or promote legislation or in any other way try to run other people’s lives. (except the attempted persuasion of knocking on your door and telling you about their religion).

It’s the give Ceasar what is Ceasar’s and all of that.
They believe it’s their job to spread the good news of the Kingdom.
Note:
Mom’s side of the family is JW. Dad’s side is Southern Baptist.
We were brought up in the church of Charles Darwin and Carl Sagan was our pastor.
Family gatherings were fun.

518 EPR-radar  Jul 2, 2014 10:25:21am

re: #509 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how different the world would be if men could get pregnant.

For starters, Abortion would be a Sacrament.

The idea that the first amendment gives a right to harangue people as they go about their private business would also never have gotten off the ground.

519 Lidane  Jul 2, 2014 10:25:36am

re: #509 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how different the world would be if men could get pregnant.

If men could get pregnant, birth control pills would be free and easily available, Plan B would be in every bar right next to the bowl of beer nuts, childbirth would be a sacrament, and we’d have a national policy giving six months of paid maternity leave.

520 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 10:26:18am

re: #500 b.d.

521 GunstarGreen  Jul 2, 2014 10:26:33am

re: #512 Kragar

“A certain thing”? What, being female?

Pretty much.

Nobody talks about this angle: female employee gets raped. Rapist obviously doesn’t care about using a condom. Female employee doesn’t have any birth control in place because her employer refuses to cover it.

So what now, right wing assholes? Does she get an abortion? Or are you one of those monsters that would force her to carry her rapist’s child to term? Funny how this could have been prevented via birth control.

522 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 10:27:10am

And now the NYC metro area is under severe storm watches this afternoon:

523 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2014 10:28:21am

GOP nastiness continues in MS with lawsuit talk on both sides

The circus the Republican runoff has become sparked one lawsuit Tuesday and the threat of another. And the results aren’t even official yet.

Circuit clerks across the Coast this morning will send certified results from the June 24 Republican runoff for the U.S. Senate to the Secretary of State’s Office.

Those results are already the subject of a suit by the Chris McDaniel-backing True the Vote. That suit against the Mississippi Republican Party and Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann seeks to immediately examine records from the runoff, which was won by Sen. Thad Cochran.

Hosemann’s office referred questions about the suit to the Attorney General’s Office, which would defend the state in any suit. A spokeswoman for the AG’s office said the suit is being reviewed.

Cochran’s campaign also is threatening legal action against a former campaign worker over a story that alleges the Cochran campaign bought votes. Cochran’s spokesman Jordan Russell said Stevie Fielder, who told blogger Charles Johnson that Cochran’s team gave him money to pay $15 a vote, is lying.

He said Fielder actually was paid $300 for two vans and the drivers to drive people around to knock on doors to drum up support for the senator, who came in second to McDaniel in the June 3 primary. Neither candidate received more than 50 percent of the vote so it went to a runoff.

The Republican Party executive committee met in a closed session Tuesday to start collecting the vote totals from the counties. The committee unanimously gave its approval to the party to gather the certified totals from the counties and pass them on to the Secretary of State by Monday, party Chairman Joe Nosef said.

Democratic Executive Director Rickey Cole said his party does its work in public and he thinks it’s improper to conduct election business in secret.

“But that’s their baby, so I’ll let them rock it,” he said, though he did see a silver lining. “This sheds light on the conduct of the primary and the way candidates run campaigns.

“It’s been a mystery to too many Mississippians for far too long.”

Democrat Travis Childers is awaiting Cochran in the November general election.

524 Kragar  Jul 2, 2014 10:28:45am

re: #521 GunstarGreen

Pretty much.

Nobody talks about this angle: female employee gets raped. Rapist obviously doesn’t care about using a condom. Female employee doesn’t have any birth control in place because her employer refuses to cover it.

So what now, right wing assholes? Does she get an abortion? Or are you one of those monsters that would force her to carry her rapist’s child to term? Funny how this could have been prevented via birth control.

Why do you not care about the rights of the Rapist looking out for the welfare of his child?
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525 Timothy Watson  Jul 2, 2014 10:28:47am

re: #496 sagehen

Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t vote.

I remember being absolutely gobsmacked when I learned that; they’ll knock on strangers’ doors to talk about religion, but they feel that earthly politics (even the most minimal participation in democracy) is an ungodly pursuit, that it’s not up to them to pick leaders or promote legislation or in any other way try to run other people’s lives. (except the attempted persuasion of knocking on your door and telling you about their religion).

To be fair to Jehovah’s Witnesses, there were a bunch of radical abolitionists who wouldn’t vote under the Constitution of the United States because they viewed it as a pro-slavery document.

In short: Just because it isn’t rational to us, doesn’t mean it isn’t rational to someone else.

526 PhillyPretzel  Jul 2, 2014 10:29:25am

re: #522 lawhawk

And the same with Philly. The front page of the Nat’l Weather Service says it all. weather.gov

527 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 10:29:58am
528 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 10:33:14am

re: #521 GunstarGreen

Pretty much.

Nobody talks about this angle: female employee gets raped. Rapist obviously doesn’t care about using a condom. Female employee doesn’t have any birth control in place because her employer refuses to cover it.

So what now, right wing assholes? Does she get an abortion? Or are you one of those monsters that would force her to carry her rapist’s child to term? Funny how this could have been prevented via birth control.

Pregnancy from rape rarely happens! The body has a way of shutting that down!

529 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 10:33:15am

@BillGothard

530 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 10:34:14am
531 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 10:34:28am
532 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 10:36:59am

heh…

533 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 10:37:45am

re: #531 Gus

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Did Ray go bananas again?

534 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2014 10:37:53am

re: #530 Gus

For anyone who wants to watch it on youtube:

Youtube Video

535 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 10:38:02am

re: #531 Gus

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No thanks, I filled up on Ham.

536 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 10:38:29am
537 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 10:39:08am

re:
#531

Do you know someone’s who’s a heathen god-hating Atheist who believes people came from monkeys? Tell them to watch this great video by an unbiased, scientifically aware evangelist!!!1

538 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2014 10:39:15am

re: #536 Gus

Wait, so this person has proof that tons of rapes have been lied about?

539 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 10:39:18am
540 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 10:39:29am

re: #536 Gus

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And rapists obviously are totally truthful by nature, right?

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541 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 10:39:49am
542 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2014 10:40:11am

I feel like I need to apologize on behalf of my religion because so much Christian outreach to atheists is terribly misguided.

You don’t bring people to Jesus by beating them down with a Bible.

543 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 10:40:28am

re:
#539

Stop shoving UR gay parades down are throatses!!!!!!111 That vilates mah religious freedoms.

544 PhillyPretzel  Jul 2, 2014 10:40:37am

re: #541 Backwoods_Sleuth

That person never heard of a dictionary.

545 1Peter G1  Jul 2, 2014 10:41:20am

re: #1 thedopefishlives

Arguments based on the nebulous concept of morality are generally bullshit. Every priest who has ever ripped the still beating heart out of a sacrificial victim was doing the most profoundly moral thing he knew how to do. And doubtless for the greater good no less.re: #1 thedopefishlives

546 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 10:41:44am

re: #541 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I posted a link to a site showing that numerous medical and scientific organizations have agreed that pregnancy begins at implantation in uterine wall. What did the first wingnut who sounded off say in response? “Life begins at conception, so pregnancy begins at conception! I don’t know why they’re saying otherwise!”

547 Mike Lamb  Jul 2, 2014 10:41:45am

re: #524 Kragar

Why do you not care about the rights of the Rapist looking out for the welfare of his child?
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In wingnutese, “Rapist” translates to “Men’s Rights Advocate”.

548 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 10:42:23am

re:
#536

A very serious person, just the perfect one to do GOP outreach to the women folk and other people who shouldn’t be allowed to votes!!!!1

549 wrenchwench  Jul 2, 2014 10:42:29am

re: #502 Kragar

TRAP laws are not about safety. Its about limiting access to abortions under the guise of safety.

Exactly, and the reason that guise is used is because it is the loophole built into Roe v Wade. Regulations to protect the patient are allowed. Regulations to deny access are not. Therefore, they are trying to disguise denying access as protecting women.

550 Mike Lamb  Jul 2, 2014 10:42:44am

re: #531 Gus

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Email?

551 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 10:43:59am

re: #550 Mike Lamb

Email?

Don’t know. Didn’t click through.

552 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 10:44:35am

re: #536 Gus

Another adherent to the Akin legitimate rape nonsense.

Women lie about rape all the time, even though they’re far too often stigmatized and ostracized by law enforcement, their local communities, etc., for coming forward in the first place, especially when the victim identifies someone with power within that community.

Many women would rather live with never reporting the sexual assault than carrying the burdens of being a victim in those cases.

And this guy’s response is proof/reason enough that women don’t come forward and that rapes and sexual assaults are underreported.

If anything, the number of women who were assaulted by this guy may be on the low side.

553 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 10:44:43am

heads will be exploding:

554 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 10:44:45am

re: #545 1Peter G1

Not so fast. Arguments based on morality *are* sound if a particular concept of morality - which is, of course, intrinsically subjective - is shared between the individuals. (Otherwise it’s not much of help, that much is true).

555 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2014 10:44:46am

re: #551 Gus

Don’t know. Didn’t click through.

An exciting new way to reach atheists with the Gospel!

Have you ever wondered what to say when someone announces, “I am an atheist”? Now you have the perfect response! Just ask if they would view the brand new video by evangelist Ray Comfort on Evolution vs. God. It is a profound experience to watch Ray present insightful questions to students and professors in secular universities who believe in atheism. After viewing this, you will want every college student in America to see it!

556 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 10:47:09am

re: #555 Eclectic Cyborg

FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD:

557 Kragar  Jul 2, 2014 10:47:29am

re: #555 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m guessing riffing on it non-stop would not be the desired outcome from a Fundamentalist viewpoint

558 Interesting Times  Jul 2, 2014 10:47:33am

re: #539 Gus

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I…I…is that some sort of sick-ass parody account? The first comment sounds like authentic wingnut gibberish, but the second, about “parades”…I would have thought even they’d realize how utterly stupid that sounds…

559 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 10:48:21am

re: #552 lawhawk

Another adherent to the Akin legitimate rape nonsense.

Women lie about rape all the time, even though they’re far too often stigmatized and ostracized by law enforcement, their local communities, etc., for coming forward in the first place, especially when the victim identifies someone with power within that community.

Many women would rather live with never reporting the sexual assault than carrying the burdens of being a victim in those cases.

And this guy’s response is proof/reason enough that women don’t come forward and that rapes and sexual assaults are underreported.

If anything, the number of women who were assaulted by this guy may be on the low side.

Oh, I have no doubt that the court case I sat on the jury for back in March would fall on this jackasses list because, despite the victim coming forward, the defense was able to argue that she was a liar who was trying to frame her friend so that she wouldn’t get in trouble for being at a party that her sister didn’t approve of her going to and/or trying to get daddy’s attention because she’s mentally ill.

560 Kragar  Jul 2, 2014 10:48:45am
561 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 10:50:17am

re: #560 Kragar

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I think we’ve proven already that “Walking While Black” is a capital offense in much of the South.

562 Lidane  Jul 2, 2014 10:50:19am

Reminder: the word “hysteria” used to be considered a medical condition unique to women caused by a disturbance of the uterus.

563 Kragar  Jul 2, 2014 10:50:42am
564 calochortus  Jul 2, 2014 10:51:01am

re: #555 Eclectic Cyborg

The “perfect response” to an atheist is to ask them to watch a video they won’t want to waste their time on? Okaaay.

565 calochortus  Jul 2, 2014 10:52:23am

re: #562 Lidane

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Reminder: the word “hysteria” used to be considered a medical condition unique to women caused by a disturbance of the uterus.

Well, that SCOTUS decision disturbed my uterus along with the rest of me.

566 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 2, 2014 10:53:14am

re: #480 Gus

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That’s like a porn star being the picture on the box of Ivory Soap… Oh, wait… that did happen.

RBS

567 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 10:54:59am

re:
#562

He sounds nice….

568 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 10:55:04am
569 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 10:55:23am

re: #562 Lidane

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Reminder: the word “hysteria” used to be considered a medical condition unique to women caused by a disturbance of the uterus.

I posted this a while back. Could just as well be “List of convenient ways to put away annoying women”.

Reasons for admission

570 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 10:55:38am

571 Kragar  Jul 2, 2014 10:56:31am
572 Randall Gross  Jul 2, 2014 10:56:33am

re: #570 Gus

The Derpy Bunch?

573 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 10:56:57am

re: #570 Gus

The Dim Jim photo is too complimentary imho ;)

574 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 10:58:12am

re: #569 Backwoods_Sleuth

I posted this a while back. Could just as well be “List of convenient ways to put away annoying women”.

Reasons for admission

I don’t think all of those reasons apply to women. If you read through the list you will see there are some that would apply mainly to men.

575 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 10:58:37am

re: #570 Gus

This one is better ;)

576 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 10:58:47am

re: #570 Gus

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I’ll take “Rejects For The New Doctor” for $1000, Alex.

577 iossarian  Jul 2, 2014 10:59:04am

re: #570 Gus

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Imagine if we could ship these people and their followers off to a small island somewhere and watch the outcome from a safe distance.

578 Kragar  Jul 2, 2014 10:59:12am
579 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 2, 2014 10:59:53am

re: #569 Backwoods_Sleuth

I posted this a while back. Could just as well be “List of convenient ways to put away annoying women”.

Reasons for admission

Well, I’ve knocked of a bunch of that checklist…. Oh wait… it’s not supposed to be a Bucket List… My bad….

RBS

580 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 10:59:54am

re: #577 iossarian

Cannibalistic wingnut gay porn?

581 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 11:00:13am

re: #577 iossarian

Imagine if we could ship these people and their followers off to a small island somewhere and watch the outcome from a safe distance.

I hear Somalia is nice this time of year.

582 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 11:00:13am

re: #575 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

This one is better ;)

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583 Dr Lizardo  Jul 2, 2014 11:00:30am

re: #571 Kragar

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The “Sovereign Citizen” ideology is quite popular with adherents of the Moorish Science Temple of America.

I can’t say I’m surprised. Just like I’m not all that surprised that the Nation of Islam and the Church of Scientology are real chummy. Farrakhan has referred to L. Ron Hubbard as “Brother L. Ron Hubbard”.

Pretty wild.

584 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 11:00:54am

re: #574 Pie-onist Overlord

I don’t think all of those reasons apply to women. If you read through the list you will see there are some that would apply mainly to men.

True, but many are essentially “women problems”.

585 wrenchwench  Jul 2, 2014 11:01:21am

re: #570 Gus

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Stacey looks like he’s waiting for his new liver.

586 Mike Lamb  Jul 2, 2014 11:01:27am

re: #570 Gus

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Strange that you don’t see a version of that horrific “conservative women are hot and liberal women are not” graphic for conservative males…

587 b.d.  Jul 2, 2014 11:01:28am

re: #570 Gus

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The GOP pundit class has this nation covered if there ever is a chin shortage.

588 OhNoZombies!  Jul 2, 2014 11:01:56am

re: #570 Gus

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The faces you don’t want to see peeping through your window.
But you might…

589 b.d.  Jul 2, 2014 11:01:58am

re: #570 Gus

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Republican birth control?

590 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 11:02:02am

re: #586 Mike Lamb

Strange that you don’t see a version of that horrific “conservative women are hot and liberal women are not” graphic for conservative males…

That’s why I did that… a while back.

591 Mike Lamb  Jul 2, 2014 11:02:20am

re: #570 Gus

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That’s seriously a murderer’s row of derp.

592 b.d.  Jul 2, 2014 11:02:59am

re: #591 Mike Lamb

That’s seriously a murderer’s row of derp.

America’s least wanted.

593 Mike Lamb  Jul 2, 2014 11:03:05am

re: #590 Gus

That’s why I did that… a while back.

Hmmm…I was apparently unaware of all internet traditions.

594 Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2014 11:03:09am

re: #570 Gus

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7 of them are the same dude.

595 iossarian  Jul 2, 2014 11:03:41am

re: #580 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Cannibalistic wingnut gay porn?

Actually I think the results would more boring but also more salutary, in the sense that they’d probably figure out that they needed some kind of means of sharing resources and making collective decisions, rather than letting the guy with the most coconuts run everything.

596 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 11:03:55am

re: #578 Kragar

597 Lidane  Jul 2, 2014 11:05:13am

So remember the video of John Oliver talking about Uganda’s horrible anti-LGBT laws? Someone’s not happy:

ALINSKY! ELEVENTY!

598 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 11:05:18am

re: #595 iossarian

Actually I think the results would more boring but also more salutary, in the sense that they’d probably figure out that they needed some kind of means of sharing resources and making collective decisions, rather than letting the guy with the most coconuts run everything.

I’m thinking something more Battle Royale.

599 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 11:05:23am

re: #595 iossarian

Optimist.

600 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 11:05:25am

re: #594 Stanley Sea

7 of them are the same dude.

The product of cousins marrying.

601 GunstarGreen  Jul 2, 2014 11:05:26am

re: #564 calochortus

The “perfect response” to an atheist is to ask them to watch a video they won’t want to waste their time on? Okaaay.

Conversionists have made something of a hobby/cottage industry out of trying to find creative ways to tell me I’m an idiot for not believing in their skydad.

602 iossarian  Jul 2, 2014 11:06:02am

re: #596 lawhawk

…Jindal led exorcisms…

“Happy Mardi Gras!”

Whenever I get down, I just think of that doofus rocking up to the microphone in his keyboard tie with that shit-eating grin plastered all over his face, and his folksy tale about his dad trading chickens for pre-natal care, and I smile.

603 iossarian  Jul 2, 2014 11:07:21am

re: #598 Targetpractice

I’m thinking something more Battle Royale.

That’s an option too.

604 iossarian  Jul 2, 2014 11:08:22am

re: #599 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Optimist.

I’m a great believer in humanity.

605 iossarian  Jul 2, 2014 11:08:49am

Hey - it’s like… I own the thread…

606 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 11:09:14am

re: #605 iossarian

Hey - it’s like… I own the thread…

You should share.

607 calochortus  Jul 2, 2014 11:09:22am

re: #601 GunstarGreen

Conversionists have made something of a hobby/cottage industry out of trying to find creative ways to tell me I’m an idiot for not believing in their skydad.

So if as the Bible says, God grants wishes asked in Jesus’ name, why not just pray that we atheists see the light and become Christians?
Enquiring atheists want to know.

608 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 11:09:22am

609 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 11:09:42am

re: #608 Gus

That’s more Jonah…

610 iossarian  Jul 2, 2014 11:09:56am

Terror babbies!

611 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 11:10:03am

re: #607 calochortus

Free will.

612 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 11:10:07am

re:
#597

Hey this law’s no big deal really very harmless you libtards all upset about nothing it won’t hurt anybody and THIS LAW IS THE BIGEST AND BESTEST LAW EVER UGANDA WILL BE TOTALLY SAVED FOR CHRIST BY GETTING RID OF HOMOS!!!!!

613 b.d.  Jul 2, 2014 11:10:47am

re: #608 Gus

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Needs more flags in the background and maybe an eagle or a picture of St. Ronnie.

614 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 11:10:59am

re: #603 iossarian

That’s an option too.

Then again, now that I think about it, it would probably end up more Lord of the Flies, with Dim Jim getting his head caved is while the rest of them fought over who got to use his glasses to start fire and thus be leader.

615 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 11:11:19am

re: #607 calochortus

So if as the Bible says, God grants wishes asked in Jesus’ name, why not just pray that we atheists see the light and become Christians?
Enquiring atheists want to know.

Lots of time the answer is “no”.

616 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 11:11:21am
617 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 11:12:34am

re: #616 Pie-onist Overlord

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Then pay me the difference between my “contribution” to my health benefits and the cost of the medication, asshole. Don’t charge me for something and then say I can’t use it because it’s against your “beliefs.”

618 GunstarGreen  Jul 2, 2014 11:12:40am

re: #607 calochortus

So if as the Bible says, God grants wishes asked in Jesus’ name, why not just pray that we atheists see the light and become Christians?
Enquiring atheists want to know.

In such confrontations I usually approach from the angle of, “In The Good Book, it says here that your God is directly responsible for some of the most brutal acts of mass genocide in history. If that’s not an evil deity that must be destroyed, I don’t know what is.”

619 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 11:12:57am

re: #570 Gus

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Subtitle: Cumulative IQ of 8

620 Kragar  Jul 2, 2014 11:13:06am

re: #616 Pie-onist Overlord

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621 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 11:13:06am

re:
#597

malicious LBGT propaganda!

—-

yeah its true we want to purge Uganda and every other country in the whole world of all the perverted LGBTs but any LGBT or LGBT allies criticizing this harmless law is just MALICIOUS PROPAGANDA!@!!!1

622 calochortus  Jul 2, 2014 11:13:16am

re: #611 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Free will.

Show me the small print that allows that in all those promises in John. It’s pretty much a blanket “ask and you shall receive.” Unless it is actually God’s will that I remain an atheist and they shouldn’t be trying to convert me.

623 iossarian  Jul 2, 2014 11:13:21am

re: #614 Targetpractice

Then again, now that I think about it, it would probably end up more Lord of the Flies, with Dim Jim getting his head caved is while the rest of them fought over who got to use his glasses to start fire and thus be leader.

I was going to go with Lord of the Flies but then who’s Piggy? Some of them have the physical side down but I’m not seeing any obvious compassion or sensitivity of thought.

624 Lidane  Jul 2, 2014 11:13:23am

re: #616 Pie-onist Overlord

Because health insurance from your employer is free, don’tcha know. It’s not like a woman has to work for it or anything. I’ll bet the premiums aren’t even deducted from her paycheck every two weeks.

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625 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 11:14:53am

re:
#616

Yeahs look up how economies work I don’t have time to do all UR research for yous!!!111

626 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 11:16:16am

The War on Women is fake, but the War on Xmas is real and a threat to America.
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627 Kragar  Jul 2, 2014 11:16:30am

WOW, Who on earth could have predicted this?

628 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 11:18:18am

re: #627 Kragar

WOW, Who on earth could have predicted this?

Prediction: This is just the tip of the iceberg.

629 calochortus  Jul 2, 2014 11:18:36am

re: #615 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lots of time the answer is “no”.

Yeah, but John 14:13 is pretty specific. There is a certain amount of commentary about it applying to things we truly need, but even so, if it is asked sincerely in Jesus’ name, it is something that God purportedly wants (me being Christian) and my be totally open to proof of God’s existence, I don’t see where “no” is an answer in keeping with the verse.

God creating me as I am, born into a non-believing family in a secular society and then not providing evidence of his existence and condemning me to eternal suffering, seems odd.

630 wrenchwench  Jul 2, 2014 11:18:44am

re: #627 Kragar

WOW, Who on earth could have predicted this?

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Ginsburg.

631 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 11:19:03am

re: #622 calochortus

If we are this literalistic, this was promised only to those disciples it was spoken to. Also, what is to be given is to be given to the person asking, not anybody else.

632 GunstarGreen  Jul 2, 2014 11:19:12am

re: #627 Kragar

WOW, Who on earth could have predicted this?

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Nah, it’s cool because Alito pulled some shit out of his ass about how it doesn’t count in the cases where it will obviously be used next, what with the legal precedent he set and all.

633 KiTA  Jul 2, 2014 11:19:26am

I don’t know if Bubblehead II is paying attention, but here goes:

Andy quit. His last day is tomorrow, they announced it today. Sherri is returning. No idea what’s going on.

634 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 11:19:50am

re: #616 Pie-onist Overlord

What’s nuts is that guy’s (and I’m assuming there) has a quip: Sine labore nihil on his Twitter page. Without labor, nothing.

Which is odd considering that he doesn’t understand that an employee pays for their employer-provided health insurance via premiums. It’s not free, and the employer gets tax benefits for providing the insurance in the first place.

635 Lidane  Jul 2, 2014 11:20:21am

re: #627 Kragar

WOW, Who on earth could have predicted this?

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I eagerly await their demand for a religious exemption from hiring non-Christians, or non-whites. That should be fun.

636 Zamb  Jul 2, 2014 11:21:09am

re: #379 lawhawk

Party identification should not be the only criteria for balance in a poll, thing like conservative/liberal, and a variety of questions on positions and voting patterns. It’ honestly maybe 5% of the electorate who are truly independent in the sense that they will vote across party line with any kind of frequency over the course of their lives.

637 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 11:21:22am
638 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 11:21:37am
639 wrenchwench  Jul 2, 2014 11:22:19am
640 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 11:22:44am

re: #629 calochortus

OK, 14:13 is more absolute than the other verse. Still, spoken to the disciples. And by the same token, judging by the preceding verse, there are basically no real believers anyway.

641 calochortus  Jul 2, 2014 11:22:58am

re: #631 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

If we are this literalistic, this was promised only to those disciples it was spoken to. Also, what is to be given is to be given to the person asking, not anybody else.

Well, those verses are used by Bible literalists to apply pretty broadly.
And I could ask for myself, but I don’t think it will help.

642 Kragar  Jul 2, 2014 11:23:07am

re: #635 Lidane

I eagerly await their demand for a religious exemption from hiring non-Christians, or non-whites. That should be fun.

As an agnostic, my deeply hold beliefs tell me hiring and serving Christian Fundies is more trouble than its worth.

643 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 11:23:49am

re: #480 Gus

Would you guess this is a Jewish baby:

644 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 11:24:04am

Soshulism!

645 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 11:24:17am

re:
#638

Back in the day, MMFA had an animated Hollywood Squares-like thing with wingnut pundits in the squares, including Rush Limbo and George Will, among others, and it has them shouting and spewing derp. Pretty funny.

646 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 11:26:43am

Werner Goldberg

647 Bubblehead II  Jul 2, 2014 11:26:47am

re: #633 KiTA

JL sent me text.

648 Zamb  Jul 2, 2014 11:26:59am

re: #396 lawhawk

If a pollster is consistent on how they address the party ID, then you’ve got internal consistency and can compare one poll to the next from the same pollster. That’s what the good ones try to do. They’ll also adjust the percentage of those polled to match with what they see as a current makeup of the electorate.

All have little control over how people answer these party ID questions - and while sabotaging the outcomes in polls is a possibility, I don’t think enough people are doing it to make the polls unreliable in that regard. Over time, those polls will even out the potential saboteur (who claims one party ID but is another IRL).

It’s not about sabotaging poll outcomes, its because people get a cookie from the media and others for saying they are independent whether or not they actually are so determining if an independent category is actually more conservatives than liberals is impossible without further questioning.

649 calochortus  Jul 2, 2014 11:27:26am

re: #640 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

OK, 14:13 is more absolute than the other verse. Still, spoken to the disciples. And by the same token, judging by the preceding verse, there are basically no real believers anyway.

In any event, I am merely suggesting evangelists should leave people alone despite “The Great Commission.”

650 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 11:28:16am

re: #643 Pie-onist Overlord

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Would you guess this is a Jewish baby:
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I stopped trying to guess after I met a young Jewish man from Arkansas. Had the drawl. Having spent a lot of time in Brooklyn as a kid it threw me for a loop. :D Long time ago.

652 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 11:30:22am

How is it now?

653 Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2014 11:30:46am

re: #633 KiTA

re: #647 Bubblehead II

OK, this gossip queen want’s the scoop.

654 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 11:31:17am

re: #650 Gus

I stopped trying to guess after I met a young Jewish man from Arkansas. Had the drawl. Having spent a lot of time in Brooklyn as a kid it threw me for a loop. :D Long time ago.

My little granddaughter in Alabama talks like a Southern belle. It’s so adorable!

655 jaunte  Jul 2, 2014 11:32:00am

re: #651 Gus

LGF is now a regular leftist hate site.

We are EXTRA LARGE around here.

656 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 11:32:11am

re: #651 Gus

Always with the conspiracy theories. Pitiful halfwits.

657 Randall Gross  Jul 2, 2014 11:33:34am

re: #651 Gus

That one’s an extreme Hindu nationalist iirc.

658 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 11:33:34am

Yeah about that poll:

659 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 11:33:40am

re: #651 Gus

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Bad SCOTUS decisions and Religious Fundamentalists will do that to a blog.

660 Dr. Matt  Jul 2, 2014 11:34:54am

re: #658 Pie-onist Overlord

Yeah about that poll:

Aaaaah, NOW polls matter……see how that works?

661 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 11:35:28am

re: #657 Randall Gross

Wouldn’t be surprised if he were a Hindu creationist and supported BJP.

662 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 11:36:15am
663 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 11:36:30am

Hey Steve, who was President in July 2008? You just kind of messed up the narrative that gas was $1.89 before Obama.

664 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 11:37:34am

re: #662 Gus

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There is a market for souls? Do I just call my broker? I need some cash. What does a slightly tarnished soul go for these days?

665 calochortus  Jul 2, 2014 11:40:45am

BBL

666 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 11:44:00am
667 jaunte  Jul 2, 2014 11:44:36am

“…In some graves of men, archaeologists found maces with stone or copper finials. “These objects and the bows were symbols of power, which proves that representatives of elite were buried here” - said Prof. Szykulski.

In the graves, archaeologists also found richly decorated weaving tools and many jewellery items, including objects made of copper and tumbaga - an alloy of gold and copper. Another interesting discovery are reed withes that were attached to the ears of the dead, which protruded above the surface of the graves. Scientists suspect that they served as ritual “communication” tools between the dead and the living members of the community.”

668 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 11:46:21am

TEH STUPID IT BURNSSS IT BURNSSS PRECIOUSSS

669 Decatur Deb  Jul 2, 2014 11:46:46am

re: #664 FemNaziBitch

There is a market for souls? Do I just call my broker? I need some cash. What does a slightly tarnished soul go for these days?

Easier to open an account on ANIMEX.

670 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 11:47:00am

re: #666 Gus

Hail Stan.

671 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 11:48:10am

re: #667 jaunte

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

withe

Etymology
From Middle English withe, withthe, from Old English wiþe, wiþþe (“cord, band, thong, fetter”), from Proto-Germanic *wiþiz, *wiþjǭ (“cord, rope”), from Proto-Indo-European *weyt- (“that which winds or bends, branch, switch”), from Proto-Indo-European *wey- (“to turn, wind, bend”). Cognate with Danish vidje (“wicker”), Swedish vidja (“withe, wicker, osier”), Icelandic við, viðja (“a withe”), Latin vītis (“vine”).

Pronunciation[edit]
IPA(key): /waɪð/

Noun
withe (plural withes)

A flexible, slender twig or shoot, especially when used as a band or for binding; a withy.
(nautical) An iron attachment on one end of a mast or boom, with a ring, through which another mast or boom is rigged out and secured.
(Can we find and add a quotation of R. H. Dana, Jr to this entry?)
(architecture) A partition between flues in a chimney.
Translation
twig or shoot

Verb
withe (third-person singular simple present withes, present participle withing, simple past and past participle withed)

To bind with withes.  
To beat with withes.  

672 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 11:48:23am

re: #668 Pie-onist Overlord

TEH STUPID IT BURNSSS IT BURNSSS PRECIOUSSS

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Dear god.

673 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 11:48:54am

re: #672 Gus

Dear god.

IF THERE was a god …

674 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 11:49:51am

Good grief how can this still be ONLY WEDNESDAY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??

675 lawhawk  Jul 2, 2014 11:50:23am

re: #673 FemNaziBitch

IF THERE was a god …

Cthulhu laughs with glee.
Zod waits for his opportunity.
Crom knows the lamentations of the women is coming.

676 Kragar  Jul 2, 2014 11:50:29am
677 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 11:50:52am

re: #669 Decatur Deb

Easier to open an account on ANIMEX.

Do you think I could pawn it for 90 days?

678 jaunte  Jul 2, 2014 11:51:02am

re: #668 Pie-onist Overlord

Dumbness is building its own Tower of Babel.

679 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 11:51:10am

re:
#658

….say nation would be better if Romney won

Wow, that’s pretty convincing evidence of….something

680 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 11:51:10am

re: #676 Kragar

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I think he might be 14 years old.

681 jaunte  Jul 2, 2014 11:52:28am

re: #680 Gus

I think he might be 14 years old.

Prime time for Libertarian thought.

682 piratedan  Jul 2, 2014 11:52:30am

re: #668 Pie-onist Overlord

Which perfectly illustrates why the SCOTUS decision was so heinous, is it gives traction to dumbass shit like this. Which is precisely what people have been arguing, you’re employer shouldn’t have any control over the decision that you make regarding your sexuality, period.

683 Decatur Deb  Jul 2, 2014 11:53:34am

re: #677 FemNaziBitch

Do you think I could pawn it for 90 days?

Try Mephisto’s Pawn. Place has 3 balls and a poodle on the sign.

684 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 11:54:06am

Republican Greg Abbott: Just ‘drive around’ to ‘ask every facility whether they have chemicals’

No matter what the reason, big government is bad, bad, bad

685 Interesting Times  Jul 2, 2014 11:54:09am

Yeah, about that “poll” saying Obama is omg teh wurst president EVAR!!!1!1!!

Quinnipiac just released a “survey” that claims to reflect general feelings that the public has about attitudes towards President Obama. Upon closer analysis the green curtain reveals the typical misconstruction of the population.

In this survey 73% of the respondents are white and 37% are from the South even though the South only represents 16% of the total population of the United States.

686 piratedan  Jul 2, 2014 11:54:16am

RIP Bob Hastings, character actor extrordinaire….

687 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 11:54:20am

SHE’S MARRIED YOU DUMBSHIT

688 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 11:55:45am
689 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 11:56:00am

re: #687 Pie-onist Overlord

SHE’S MARRIED YOU DUMBSHIT

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Do any of these pro-life men ever wonder about how they are going to get sex?

690 GunstarGreen  Jul 2, 2014 11:56:37am

re: #687 Pie-onist Overlord

SHE’S MARRIED YOU DUMBSHIT

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If only the “aspirin method” worked for women who were the victims of sexual assault.

But then again, “Legitimate Rape” and all that…

These people are dangerously sick. They are a threat to freedom and to this country.

691 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 11:57:08am

Watched old detective movies last night --like this one. My kid thinks I’m ready for the home.

692 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 11:57:17am

re: #685 Interesting Times

Yeah, about that “poll” saying Obama is omg teh wurst president EVAR!!!1!1!!

That’s what I figured.

Nope. Not racist! //

693 jaunte  Jul 2, 2014 11:57:33am

In The Sodomite Tradition of Hospitality

Protesters Shout ‘Nobody Wants You’ At Buses Carrying Undocumented Families And Children

On Tuesday afternoon, a swell of anti-immigrant protesters prevented three buses carrying undocumented immigrants from driving to a Border Patrol processing facility in Murrieta, California…

694 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 11:58:03am

Teh Stupids just keep on a’comin’
We are powerless against Teh Tsunami Of Stupids

695 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 11:58:04am
696 Dr Lizardo  Jul 2, 2014 11:58:32am

re: #688 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The darker part of my nature informs me those wingnuts in that photo outta be damned glad it wasn’t me behind the wheel of that bus. I wouldn’t have slowed down….just hit the horn a few times when I first saw ‘em and kept my speed steady. They’d scatter once they realized I wasn’t going to stop.

697 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 11:58:46am

re: #695 Gus

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GAH!

698 wrenchwench  Jul 2, 2014 11:59:08am

re: #693 jaunte

In The Sodomite Tradition of Hospitality

Protesters Shout ‘Nobody Wants You’ At Buses Carrying Undocumented Families And Children

She’s going to transmit the disease of hate to her kids.

699 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 11:59:20am

re: #693 jaunte

In The Sodomite Tradition of Hospitality

Protesters Shout ‘Nobody Wants You’ At Buses Carrying Undocumented Families And Children

The old “protect your children” meme. Like black people used to be blamed for having different germs than white people?

Make sure you kids get their vaccinations, the unwashed masses are coming to infect them.

700 nsmith25  Jul 2, 2014 11:59:29am

re: #695 Gus

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Dr. Pepper must now be cleaned from laptop screen.

701 jaunte  Jul 2, 2014 11:59:54am

Let’s not let the Border Patrol process undocumented immigrants, because that would be ‘not controlling the border’ or something.

702 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 11:59:58am

re: #687 Pie-onist Overlord

SHE’S MARRIED YOU DUMBSHIT

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Sounds like a guy who couldn’t get fucked if his life depended on it.

703 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 12:00:03pm

re: #694 Pie-onist Overlord

Teh Stupids just keep on a’comin’
We are powerless against Teh Tsunami Of Stupids

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Since when does insurance pay for condoms?

704 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 12:01:02pm

re: #699 FemNaziBitch

The old “protect your children” meme. Like black people used to be blamed for having different germs than white people?

Make sure you kids get their vaccinations, the unwashed masses are coming to infect them.

It’s older than that. Every wave of immigrants has been met at the entrance by angry fuckers like that screaming that they were bringing new or dangerous diseases to these shores, alongside all the other ills that they loved to attribute to those just off the boat.

705 wrenchwench  Jul 2, 2014 12:01:06pm

re: #701 jaunte

Let’s not let the Border Patrol process undocumented immigrants, because that would be ‘not controlling the border’ or something.

They expect to deport 90% of those on the bus, but not before they process them.

706 b.d.  Jul 2, 2014 12:01:23pm

re: #695 Gus

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bwahaa!

707 GunstarGreen  Jul 2, 2014 12:01:27pm

re: #703 FemNaziBitch

Since when does insurance pay for condoms?

Since when do condoms never break?

Unless I’m giving my boss blood, why should he have to pay for my transfusions?

Why are these fucking people allowed to breathe the same air as me, let alone vote?

708 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 12:01:42pm

re: #704 Targetpractice

It’s older than that. Every wave of immigrants has been met at the entrance by angry fuckers like that screaming that they were bringing new or dangerous diseases to these shores, alongside all the other ills that they loved to attribute to those just off the boat.

I blame Columbus!

:0

709 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 12:02:14pm

re: #705 wrenchwench

They expect to deport 90% of those on the bus, but not before they process them.

Why do that? Just drive them to the closest town to the border, kick them off, and wish them the best of luck. I mean, that’s how we’d expect a US citizen to be treated if he stumbled into Mexico, right?

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710 Decatur Deb  Jul 2, 2014 12:02:32pm

re: #688 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Another reason I could never be a bus driver.

711 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 12:02:38pm

re: #707 GunstarGreen

Since when do condoms never break?

Unless I’m giving my boss blood, why should he have to pay for my transfusions?

Why are these fucking people allowed to breathe the same air as me, let alone vote?

It’s against my personally held sincere and honest belief system that ignorant people must be made to learn basic science and logic.

712 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 12:02:39pm

re: #694 Pie-onist Overlord

Teh Stupids just keep on a’comin’
We are powerless against Teh Tsunami Of Stupids

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You should put together a page of dumb wingnut memes on the SCOTUS decision. I see at least two here on this page.

713 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 12:02:57pm

re: #708 FemNaziBitch

I blame Columbus!

:0

Well, the natives did have a point. More of them died due to disease than anything else.

714 wrenchwench  Jul 2, 2014 12:03:05pm

re: #704 Targetpractice

It’s older than that. Every wave of immigrants has been met at the entrance by angry fuckers like that screaming that they were bringing new or dangerous diseases to these shores, alongside all the other ills that they loved to attribute to those just off the boat.

The previous waves may not have been greeted by angry fuckers from a town that didn’t even exist 22 years ago, and the population of which mostly arrived since 1990.

715 KiTA  Jul 2, 2014 12:03:09pm

re: #647 Bubblehead II

JL sent me text.

Any word on what’s going on? The announcement came right AFTER I left work.

re: #653 Stanley Sea

OK, this gossip queen want’s the scoop.

Someone very high up where Bubblehead II and I work quit without apparently giving notice. Very, VERY high up.

716 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 12:03:17pm

re:
#701

Processing undocumented people. How the fck does it work?

717 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 12:03:32pm

Another Horrible Human Being:

718 Kragar  Jul 2, 2014 12:04:14pm
719 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 12:04:17pm

re: #709 Targetpractice

Why do that? Just drive them to the closest town to the border, kick them off, and wish them the best of luck. I mean, that’s how we’d expect a US citizen to be treated if he stumbled into Mexico, right?

////

Because they objective other human beings. The dividing line between human and not human being gender and place of birth. Non-American Men are perceived to have less power, and therefore are not human.

Now, I don’t know about non-American fetuses … .

720 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 12:04:32pm

re:
#717

The people who gave us the Internets had no idea these people would get on it.

721 Kragar  Jul 2, 2014 12:05:00pm
722 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 2, 2014 12:05:07pm

re: #712 Gus

You should put together a page of dumb wingnut memes on the SCOTUS decision. I see at least two here on this page.

I made a page a couple of days ago but I haven’t updated it.

723 dog philosopher  Jul 2, 2014 12:05:20pm

admit it, wingnuts

IF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT AND THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT CAME UP TODAY YOU WOULD BLOCK THEM AND DECLARE THEY WOULD DESTROY AMERICAN SOCIETY

admit it and get it over with

724 KiTA  Jul 2, 2014 12:05:38pm

Got home to find my apartment flooded. Yesterday there was grease and shredded carrots in the sink, I washed those down the drain and the water drained, very slowly, after a time.

Today, the entire kitchen was filled with water and a white powder.

Roto rooter just left, it turns out it was a hair clog along with a cement-like substance. He thinks it was baking powder and vinegar, which is apparently a common homemade remedy for clogs. It obviously doesn’t work, and baking powder turns into a rocklike substance if it gets wet and then dries.

725 Bubblehead II  Jul 2, 2014 12:06:20pm

re: #715 KiTA

Any word on what’s going on? The announcement came right AFTER I left work.

Nope and I am not even going to speculate. Especially here.

726 Gus  Jul 2, 2014 12:06:50pm

re: #722 Pie-onist Overlord

I made a page a couple of days ago but I haven’t updated it.

Ah. Thanks. Tweeted.

727 Mike Lamb  Jul 2, 2014 12:07:02pm

re: #694 Pie-onist Overlord

Teh Stupids just keep on a’comin’
We are powerless against Teh Tsunami Of Stupids

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Condoms never fail, they can only be failed.

728 Bulworth  Jul 2, 2014 12:07:03pm

re:
#724

Roommates?

729 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 12:07:16pm

A certain Russian neo-Nazi from St-Petersburg became infamous after he published photos in which he tortures and kills animals.

my.mail. ru/community/communitywinston/0848C1F2F3FF46C5.html?page=1&thread=

Note - do not go there if you have a weak stomach.

Now he is a “noble warrior” with the “People’s Republic of Lugansk”:

730 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 12:08:07pm

re: #721 Kragar

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Of course not, as his wife she’s supposed to obey him. If she should end up pregnant with an unwanted child, then there’s the solution all “good Christians” use: They quietly drive to next state and get an abortion, so nobody back home finds out.

///

731 danarchy  Jul 2, 2014 12:08:22pm

re: #703 FemNaziBitch

Since when does insurance pay for condoms?

Some do, as a matter of fact both male and female condoms are covered in the hobby lobby plan.

Speaking of which, those female condoms are freaking goofy as hell.

732 dog philosopher  Jul 2, 2014 12:08:51pm

tweeting wingnuts and my caps key gets stuck

can’t imagine why

733 FemNaziBitch  Jul 2, 2014 12:09:25pm

Well, I’m going to have my soul washed and detailed. I want to bet the best price for it.

bbl

734 Decatur Deb  Jul 2, 2014 12:09:30pm

re: #729 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

A certain Russian neo-Nazi from St-Petersburg became infamous after he published photos in which he tortures and kills animals.

my.mail. ru/community/communitywinston/0848C1F2F3FF46C5.html?page=1&thread=

Note - do not go there if you have weak stomach.

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Now he is a “noble warrior” with the “People’s Republic of Donetsk”:

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Forget the psychopathy—just the face says there’s a fragging in that kid’s future.

735 KiTA  Jul 2, 2014 12:10:09pm

re: #728 Bulworth

re:
#724

Roommates?

Upstairs neighbors — connected drains. These would be the same ones that upturned a pot full of rare carnivorous plant and bonsai seed to steal a $2 plastic pot I had on my porch. :P In their defense, they totally needed to plant those onions.

re: #725 Bubblehead II

Nope and I am not even going to speculate. Especially here.

Yeah, I forgot myself for a minute. Still, going to be interesting times for the next few weeks, eh?

736 Kragar  Jul 2, 2014 12:10:42pm
737 wrenchwench  Jul 2, 2014 12:11:52pm

re: #693 jaunte

In The Sodomite Tradition of Hospitality

Protesters Shout ‘Nobody Wants You’ At Buses Carrying Undocumented Families And Children

Another one from there:

US CITIENS Don’t GET FREE PASS ” Y Should ILEAGELS

Right behind her should be a SPEEK ENGLESH guy.

738 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 12:12:36pm

re: #736 Kragar

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I’ve found myself wondering since Monday how many of the assholes in the “Men’s Rights” crowd, who think a woman should fuck them on command and not worry about commitments, are out there declaring that “sluts” should “keep their legs closed.”

739 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 12:13:02pm

re: #729 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

What’s more, in this thread commenters have identified other guys from the photos. All turned out to be neo-Nazis.

ukraine.d3.ru

740 Targetpractice  Jul 2, 2014 12:13:30pm

re: #737 wrenchwench

Another one from there:

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US CITIENS Don’t GET FREE PASS ” Y Should ILEAGELS

Right behind her should be a SPEEK ENGLESH guy.

Apparently too many morons can’t work in the absence of spell-checking software.

741 geoffm33  Jul 2, 2014 12:17:18pm

Morans. The whole lot of them.

742 Decatur Deb  Jul 2, 2014 12:17:18pm

re: #739 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

What’s more, in this thread commenters have identified other guys from the photo with the “DNR” flag. All turned out to be neo-Nazis.

ukraine.d3.ru

How does a Russian kid get to grow up neo-Nazi without being shoved in front of a train?

743 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 12:18:08pm

re: #742 Decatur Deb

Internet?

744 dog philosopher  Jul 2, 2014 12:18:43pm

re: #737 wrenchwench

Another one from there:

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US CITIENS Don’t GET FREE PASS ” Y Should ILEAGELS

Right behind her should be a SPEEK ENGLESH guy.

excuse me ma’am but im afraid several words in your sign are spelled correctly

745 Mich-again  Jul 2, 2014 12:18:45pm

Many Christians refer to aborted fetuses as *Holy Innocents* drawing a comparison to the children of Bethlehem who were slaughtered by Herod’s soldiers, which would mean are considered Martyrs. The question I ask is if they really believe the aborted babies have a ticket to heaven why then are they so driven to make these children be born into a life of trials and temptation, risking the free ticket. Don’t the Gospels tell you over and over that your life on Earth is nothing compared to what is waiting in Heaven? This line of questioning can make people downright angry because no one ever made them think about it that way.

746 Decatur Deb  Jul 2, 2014 12:18:59pm

re: #743 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Internet?

Some old lady with a memory had to notice them.

747 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 2, 2014 12:19:22pm

re: #737 wrenchwench

Another one from there:

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US CITIENS Don’t GET FREE PASS ” Y Should ILEAGELS

Right behind her should be a SPEEK ENGLESH guy.

Bet she got her marker pens at Hobby Lobby…

748 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 12:20:58pm

re: #746 Decatur Deb

Some old lady with a memory had to notice them.

“They’re just patriotic boys who are against all those blacks from Caucasus.”

749 wrenchwench  Jul 2, 2014 12:21:24pm

re: #693 jaunte

In The Sodomite Tradition of Hospitality

Protesters Shout ‘Nobody Wants You’ At Buses Carrying Undocumented Families And Children

Here’s the same woman telling an American citizen to go back to where he came from.

750 Mich-again  Jul 2, 2014 12:21:56pm

re: #737 wrenchwench

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

Author: Emma Lazarus

How long until the GOP puts a big rope around the Statue of Liberty and pulls it down like the Iraqi’s did to the statues of Saddam Hussein?

751 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 12:22:25pm

re: #750 Mich-again

Well, it is French.

752 Kragar  Jul 2, 2014 12:24:41pm
753 Dave In Austin  Jul 2, 2014 12:26:30pm

re: #630 wrenchwench

Ginsburg.

From now on these “anomalies” shall be know a “Ginsburgs”….

I think that works

754 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 2, 2014 12:28:53pm

re: #752 Kragar

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He’s just a small, stupid kid.

755 Mich-again  Jul 2, 2014 12:32:44pm

re: #749 wrenchwench

He is a brave man, protesting at a hate rally surrounded by members of the Well-Fed Militia.

756 Decatur Deb  Jul 2, 2014 12:34:58pm

re: #750 Mich-again

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

Author: Emma Lazarus

How long until the GOP puts a big rope around the Statue of Liberty and pulls it down like the Iraqi’s did to the statues of Saddam Hussein?

Leftist poetess.

757 CuriousLurker  Jul 2, 2014 12:45:21pm

re: #749 wrenchwench

Here’s the same woman telling an American citizen to go back to where he came from.

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Gosh, don’t y’all just feel a huge wave of pride welling up in your breasts when you see your fine, upstanding fellow Americans behaving like that, especially knowing that those images will be beamed across the world instantly and used to represent us collectively? Kinda like how I feel when I see images of my fellow Muslims behaving like…

This…

Or this…

Or this.

Yeah, it sucks.

758 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 2, 2014 12:47:36pm

re: #734 Decatur Deb

Forget the psychopathy—just the face says there’s a fragging in that kid’s future.

Nah, they won’t waste their own ammo. He’s permanently on point for the lead patrol. Mine, ambush, whatever, someone will do the favor for them…

759 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 2, 2014 12:57:42pm

re: #742 Decatur Deb

How does a Russian kid get to grow up neo-Nazi without being shoved in front of a train?

And then go to the DNR to fight against the “fascists”. Just further proof that a lot of these labels get tossed about without the people understanding what they really mean or stand for.

760 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 2, 2014 12:59:11pm

re: #750 Mich-again

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

Author: Emma Lazarus

How long until the GOP puts a big rope around the Statue of Liberty and pulls it down like the Iraqi’s did to the statues of Saddam Hussein?

More likely to modify it to carry an AR-15 and stand its ground against interlopers.
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