A Great Tiny Desk Concert by Fountains of Wayne

Maybe one day soon it will all come out
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I just discovered this wonderful live performance by one of my very favorite bands, Fountains of Wayne, on NPR’s Tiny Desk Concert show in 2011. They often get put in the “power pop” pigeonhole, but there’s real emotional depth to their lyrics and music.

It speaks well of this performance that Fountains of Wayne’s set pokes around in a few gray areas; its four songs showcase a band with tremendous narrative gifts and a real flair for subtle beauty.

Set List:
“The Summer Place”
“Valley Winter Song”
“A Dip In The Ocean”
“Troubled Times”

For more videos and to subscribe to the Tiny Desk Concerts podcast, visit npr.org.

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481 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 4:16:47pm

Troubled Times

When you think you’ve found something
Worth holding on to
Were you reaching for attention
Hoping she would notice you?

Collecting bottles and thrown away cans
Like she was returnable
One day would refill your hands
How she loved you, all you imagined
Fit so well into your plan

Maybe one day soon it will all come out
How you dream about each other sometimes
With the memory of how you once gave up
But you made it through the troubled times

Pining away every hour in your room
Rolling with the motion, waiting ‘til it’s opportune
Sitting there watching time fly past you
Why do tomorrow, what you could never do

How she loved you, all you imagined
All the shit you put her through

Maybe one day soon it will all come out
How you dream about each other sometimes
With the memory of how you once gave up
But you made it through the troubled times

It takes a lot of nerve to ask how she is doing
Start with a weak foundation, you will end in ruins
The way the days and hours pass you’ll never understand
Falling like rain through your hands

Maybe one day soon it will all come out
How you dream about each other sometimes
With the memory of how you once gave up
But you made it through the troubled times

Maybe one day soon it will all come out
How you dream about each other sometimes
With the memory of how you once gave up
But you made it through the troubled times

2 Emoprog Refugee  Jul 4, 2014 5:04:50pm

That was a delightful evening treat; thanks, Charles.

3 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 5:22:08pm
4 Bubblehead II  Jul 4, 2014 5:23:32pm

Night Lizards. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you. Good night and a happy 4th

Sleep well.

5 Justanotherhuman  Jul 4, 2014 5:24:53pm

re: #2 Emoprog Refugee

That was a delightful evening treat; thanks, Charles.

Yes, ‘Twas.

You don’t have to live like a refugee around here, though. : )

6 Justanotherhuman  Jul 4, 2014 5:25:43pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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Disgusting assholes.

7 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 5:33:05pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Here’s an earlier version, this one blaming immigrant Jews as disease carriers.

8 OhNoZombies!  Jul 4, 2014 5:35:47pm

Happy 4th everybody!
Zombie out.

9 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 4, 2014 5:36:46pm

As long it’s not the Irish….

Youtube Video

RBS

10 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 5:37:32pm

re: #9 RealityBasedSteve

Or the Chinese….

11 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 5:38:20pm
12 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 4, 2014 5:42:06pm

See y’alls tomorrow night.

13 Amory Blaine  Jul 4, 2014 5:44:39pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Such nasty people.

14 The War TARDIS  Jul 4, 2014 5:45:23pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

That town has got to be on the short list for worst town in the US.

15 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 5:45:28pm

My son has kindly brought me an all-American dinner Torta from Taqueria Arandas.

16 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 5:46:52pm
17 Justanotherhuman  Jul 4, 2014 5:48:48pm

re: #16 Gus

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Sponsor
Howard Berman
Representative for California’s 28th congressional district
Party
Democrat

ETA:

6 cosponsors (3D, 3R) (show)
Conyers, John [D-MI14]
Fortenberry, Jeff [R-NE1]
Lofgren, Zoe [D-CA16]
Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana [R-FL18]
Scott, Robert 𠇋obby” [D-VA3]
Smith, Christopher 𠇌hris” [R-NJ4]

18 Justanotherhuman  Jul 4, 2014 5:52:53pm

Funny how a Dem could be the principal sponsor of the Wm. Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act and get a bipartisan co-sponsorship and have it signed by a Republican President.

Less than 6 yrs ago. It was introduced Dec 9 and signed 14 days later by Pres Bush. Pretty fast work.

19 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 5:54:01pm
20 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 4, 2014 5:54:36pm

Went diving today, my first time NOT diving in the comfortable confines of a class, with an instructor watching over me. Hooked up with a guy on Facebook from a forum, met at the scuba park and dove. The fact that I’m posting means that it went well, and I have been invited to dive with him and his friends any time. :)

Here’s some pic, the first one is from the entrance to the quarry, and the second is me all kitted out. The big white thing on my shoulder is a writing slate and tablet, the thing on my wrist is a dive computer that tells me how deep I am, time I can stay down without getting into trouble, water temp, it’s my new best friend. The thing down at my hip tells me how much air is left in the tank, and also has a second depth gauge on the back side.

I’m wearing 5mm of Neoprene from head to toe, was plenty warm except when we went down below 60 feet, then the temp dropped to about 45* and it was chilly. Had a great day, validated my limited skills, and showed myself that I can do this without too much adult supervision.

Pennyroyal Blue Springs Scuba Park (Hopkinsville, KY)

RBS All kitted out…. Water behind me is 110 Feet, lots of catfish and bluegill at the surface, people feed them

21 Justanotherhuman  Jul 4, 2014 5:54:49pm

re: #19 jaunte

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Introduce that person to the Wilberforce bill. govtrack.us

22 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 5:55:47pm

(2) SPECIAL RULES FOR CHILDREN FROM CONTIGUOUS COUNTRIES-

(A) DETERMINATIONS- Any unaccompanied alien child who is a national or habitual resident of a country that is contiguous with the United States shall be treated in accordance with subparagraph (B), if the Secretary of Homeland Security determines, on a case-by-case basis, that—

(i) such child has not been a victim of a severe form of trafficking in persons, and there is no credible evidence that such child is at risk of being trafficked upon return to the child’s country of nationality or of last habitual residence;

(ii) such child does not have a fear of returning to the child’s country of nationality or of last habitual residence owing to a credible fear of persecution; and

(iii) the child is able to make an independent decision to withdraw the child’s application for admission to the United States.

(B) RETURN- An immigration officer who finds an unaccompanied alien child described in subparagraph (A) at a land border or port of entry of the United States and determines that such child is inadmissible under the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq.) may—

(i) permit such child to withdraw the child’s application for admission pursuant to section 235(a)(4) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1225(a)(4)); and

(ii) return such child to the child’s country of nationality or country of last habitual residence.

23 Justanotherhuman  Jul 4, 2014 5:56:25pm

re: #20 RealityBasedSteve

Congratulations! Appears you are doing very well. : )

24 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 4, 2014 5:56:36pm

re: #19 jaunte

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You know, I think the only word some RWNJs know is “TREASON”. Judges, Elected Official, the President… It’s ALL TREASON… ALL THE TIME at KTRN, the voice of the RWNJ!

RBS

25 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 5:57:28pm

re: #21 Justanotherhuman

Introduce that person to the Wilberforce bill. govtrack.us

Can’t reason with people like that.

26 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 5:59:57pm
27 Justanotherhuman  Jul 4, 2014 6:00:18pm

re: #25 Gus

Can’t reason with people like that.

I suppose not, when they have their head up their ass.

28 Lidane  Jul 4, 2014 6:06:36pm

re: #19 jaunte

These wingnuts really don’t understand treason, do they?

29 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 6:08:42pm

re: #27 Justanotherhuman

I suppose not, when they have their head up their ass.

In any event.

30 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 6:11:11pm
31 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 6:11:25pm

He’s already wound up. :D :D :D

32 Lidane  Jul 4, 2014 6:12:15pm
33 Amory Blaine  Jul 4, 2014 6:12:20pm

One of my favorite songs.

Youtube Video

34 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 6:14:03pm
35 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 6:15:10pm

6 cosponsors (3D, 3R) (show)
Conyers, John [D-MI14]
Fortenberry, Jeff [R-NE1]
Lofgren, Zoe [D-CA16]
Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana [R-FL18]
Scott, Robert “Bobby” [D-VA3]
Smith, Christopher “Chris” [R-NJ4]

36 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 6:15:59pm

Pushback: “Look, Democrats do it too!”

37 Amory Blaine  Jul 4, 2014 6:15:59pm

re: #20 RealityBasedSteve

Dude you fucking inspire.

38 GeneJockey  Jul 4, 2014 6:17:51pm

re: #34 Gus

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“Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you.”

Looks like you hooked a live one, Gus.

39 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 6:18:25pm

re: #38 GeneJockey

“Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you.”

Looks like you hooked a live one, Gus.

He stopped all of the sudden. :D

40 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 6:20:11pm

41 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 6:20:52pm

re: #38 GeneJockey

“Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you.”

Looks like you hooked a live one, Gus.

OK FINE THEN I NEVER LIKED BUSH ANYWAY! HE’S ANOTHER RINOOOOOOOOOO!!11TY

42 BongCrodny  Jul 4, 2014 6:22:44pm

re: #19 jaunte

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Is it me, or does it seem like everybody with the word “Liberty” as part of his Twitter tag is either a complete lunatic or a stark raving asshole?

43 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 6:26:54pm

re: #42 BongCrodny

Is it me, or does it seem like everybody with the word “Liberty” as part of his Twitter tag is either a complete lunatic or a stark raving asshole?

This is what Fox News has been cultivating for years.

44 Justanotherhuman  Jul 4, 2014 6:27:00pm

re: #42 BongCrodny

Is it me, or does it seem like everybody with the word “Liberty” as part of his Twitter tag is either a complete lunatic or a stark raving asshole?

It’s funny, but 45 yrs ago when I was at my most radical, we always eschewed the word “liberty” in favor of “freedom”. It was said even then that “liberty” was the word favored by jingoist, racist assholes.

45 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 6:28:10pm
46 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 6:29:44pm
47 BongCrodny  Jul 4, 2014 6:30:17pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

This is what Fox News has been cultivating for years.

“Fair and Balanced”

Fear and racists.

48 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 6:30:42pm

It’s believed that parents from Central America send their children north hoping they will be granted asylum under the Obama administration’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. This misconception can also be traced to a 2008 law signed by President George W. Bush that gave special consideration to minors fleeing violence in Central America.
— USA Today

49 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 6:31:24pm

Policy makers on all sides were focusing increasingly on a mesh of laws mandating special treatment of unaccompanied migrant children, most of which were passed under President George W. Bush.

Under an anti-trafficking statute adopted — with bipartisan support — in 2008, minors caught traveling without their parents, if they are not from Mexico, cannot be rapidly deported. Youths from Central America must be transferred within 72 hours from the Border Patrol to the Department of Health and Human Services, which detains them in shelters and works to release them to parents or other responsible adults in the United States.
— NY Times

50 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 6:32:21pm
51 sagehen  Jul 4, 2014 6:36:22pm

re: #36 jaunte

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Pushback: “Look, Democrats do it too!”

Until 1964, most of the white Southerners, of both parties, were conservatives. After 1964, all the Southern conservatives turned Republican.

Are today’s right-wing truly unaware of this, or just pretending?

52 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 6:36:39pm
53 Justanotherhuman  Jul 4, 2014 6:36:43pm

Now somebody is shooting off firecrackers close by.

54 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 6:37:26pm

re: #51 sagehen

Just pretending.

55 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 6:37:53pm

WHUT?!?

56 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jul 4, 2014 6:39:23pm

To paraphrase Jesus as quoted in Matthew 25:35-40:

when I was hungry, you screamed in my face and chanted USA, when I was thirsty, you screamed in my face and chanted USA, and when I was a child thousands of miles from her mother or father trying to escape a failed state, you said

“Who’s going to pay for them?” he asked. “What kind of criminality will happen?”
[…]
“The Democrats are making it easy for them to come here so they can produce more Democratic voters,” he said

and then you blocked my bus until it was turned around and sent to a different baby jail, because we don’t want yer kind in Murrietta, and NOBAMA better stop luring disease-ridden children to our glorious land with a promise of super-cush prison cells before they are deported.

Amen.

57 Amory Blaine  Jul 4, 2014 6:41:26pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

Funny, to me, this is not alien. I see this sentiment daily. Makes me sick. It’s better than denial though.

58 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 4, 2014 6:42:13pm

Time to admit a mistake was made, cut the F35 project and reopen the F-16 & A-10 production lines. Even from scratch that would cost less than this porktastic boondoggle.

The Pentagon has grounded all of its F-35s while it investigates the cause of a fire last month involving one of the jets.

In a statement late Thursday, the Defense Department said the decision was made based on initial findings from a runway fire incident June 23 at the Eglin Air Force Base in Florida. No one was hurt.

“The root cause of the incident remains under investigation,” the statement said. “Additional inspections of F-35 engines have been ordered, and return to flight will be determined based on inspection results and analysis of engineering data.”

npr.org

59 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 6:42:14pm
60 calochortus  Jul 4, 2014 6:48:40pm

For some reason, when I’m typing (not writing longhand) I tend to throw a superflous “a” into legal, making it “leagal.” The difference is that I recognize the error and delete the a.

61 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 4, 2014 6:49:44pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson
The spelling is awful. But it’s not about the spelling - it’s about the xenophobic hatred.

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The spelling is just lack of education. The sentiment is just Ignorance. One lacking education oftens seeks it out. One who is ignorant often rejects knowledge.

RBS

62 Amory Blaine  Jul 4, 2014 6:50:37pm

Youtube Video

63 Justanotherhuman  Jul 4, 2014 6:51:38pm

I hope that illiterate racist was one of them.

5 Arrested as Protesters, Supporters Wait for Arrival of Undocumented Immigrants
Some 140 undocumented immigrants are expected to arrive in Southern California on Friday

nbclosangeles.com

64 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jul 4, 2014 6:53:12pm

65 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jul 4, 2014 6:55:50pm

re: #50 jaunte

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Footage was actually shot in a “Wild Animal Park” in Kent, England.

66 Emoprog Refugee  Jul 4, 2014 6:56:48pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Bewear! You mite catch cooties frum teh ileagels!!

Yes, it should be written in wingnut font, but I don’t know how to do wingnut font :(

67 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 4, 2014 6:58:39pm

I live just a couple of miles from the reservation of the Lac Courte Oreilles Band of Lake Superior Chippewa Indians. Don’t give me any of these sactamonious know-nothing’s oral flatulence.

68 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 7:00:29pm

re: #63 Justanotherhuman

“When the buses come, you are going to see Americans that are willing to throw themselves under the bus, that’s what you are going to see,” demonstrator Greg Allison said ahead of the migrants’ arrival. “I don’t care if I lose a limb. Even if the buses get past me and I lose a limb, guess what? The rest of the country is going to take notice.”nbclosangeles.com

He sounds smart.

69 Zamb  Jul 4, 2014 7:02:01pm

re: #68 jaunte

Yes if you jump into moving traffic then everyone will suddenly do as you say.

71 calochortus  Jul 4, 2014 7:04:23pm

re: #68 jaunte

“Even if the buses get past me and I lose a limb, guess what? The rest of the country is going to take notice.”

Pro tip: “Taking notice” and “agreeing with me and doing something about it” are not synonyms.

72 Amory Blaine  Jul 4, 2014 7:05:38pm

We will see.

73 Justanotherhuman  Jul 4, 2014 7:06:21pm

re: #71 calochortus

Pro tip: “Taking notice” and “agreeing with me and doing something about it” are not synonyms.

Would he lose a limb to rescue a child about to be hit by a vehicle?

I doubt it.

74 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 7:07:59pm

Look, accurate spelling.

75 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 7:08:22pm
76 Justanotherhuman  Jul 4, 2014 7:08:58pm

The rack beckons, so later Lizards! Have a wonderful rest of the evening.

77 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 7:09:06pm
78 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 7:09:25pm

The Spanish and, later, Mexican governments encouraged settlement of territory now known as California by the establishment of large land grants called ranchos, from which the English word ranch is derived. Land-grant titles (concessions) were government-issued, permanent, unencumbered property-ownership rights to land called ranchos. Devoted to raising cattle and sheep, the owners of the ranchos attempted to pattern themselves after the landed gentry of Spain. Their workers included Californian Native Americans who had learned to speak Spanish, many of them former Mission residents. Of the 800-plus grants, Spain made about 30 between 1784 and 1821. The remainder were granted by Mexico between 1833 and 1846. The ranchos established land-use patterns that are recognizable in the California of today. Rancho boundaries became the basis for California’s land survey system, and can still be found on modern maps and land titles. Ranchos were partially based on geography, such as access to river water. Land development in the 20th and 21st century often follow the boundaries of the ranchos, and often retain the original name. For example, “Rancho San Diego,” an unincorporated ‘rural-burb’ east of San Diego, or “Rancho Bernardo,”, a masterplan suburb in the city of San Diego.

79 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 7:13:45pm
80 Amory Blaine  Jul 4, 2014 7:15:07pm

Fuck you Mr. Nichols. That is all.

81 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 7:15:54pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

French cops bust up gypsy camps by force and deport them, it’s just another day. Americans protest illegals dumped on them, it’s bigotry.

That must be the talk about all the bigotry at once or you can’t talk about any of it rule.

82 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 7:16:42pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

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83 Amory Blaine  Jul 4, 2014 7:17:32pm

Youtube Video

84 calochortus  Jul 4, 2014 7:18:23pm

re: #78 Gus

And a lot of Californios lost their land to squatters during and after the Gold Rush. They had a lot of land, but nothing to pay lawyers with except their land, so even when the won a court case, the land went to pay the lawyers.
Before the Gold Rush their was little currency and cattle hides functioned as a medium of exchange.

85 De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2014 7:18:44pm

re: #77 jaunte

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Give me Gadsden or give me derp!!!!1!!!

86 Amory Blaine  Jul 4, 2014 7:21:35pm

Youtube Video

87 sagehen  Jul 4, 2014 7:24:36pm

re: #73 Justanotherhuman

Would he lose a limb to rescue a child about to be hit by a vehicle?

I doubt it.

If it was blond and had blue eyes, maybe he would.

88 De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2014 7:25:20pm

The Youngbloods, Sunshine.

Most underestimated rock ‘n’ roll band ever.

89 BongCrodny  Jul 4, 2014 7:25:38pm

…and the floodgates start to open.

From the Boston Globe:

Gordon College leader joins request for exemption to hiring rule

The president of a small Christian college north of Boston was among 14 religious leaders who sent a letter to the White House this week requesting a religious exemption to a planned order barring federal contractors from discriminating in hiring on the basis of sexual orientation.

“Without a robust religious exemption … this expansion of hiring rights will come at an unreasonable cost to the common good, national unity and religious freedom,” reads the letter, signed by Gordon College president D. Michael Lindsay as well as the chief executive of Catholic Charities USA, the executive editor of Christianity Today, prominent evangelical pastor Rick Warren, and other Christian leaders.

It’s not about tolerance. It’s about making people second-class citizens.

And the President may have been reaching out when he asked Rick Warren to give the invocation at his first inaugural, but there are some people you just do not reach out to.

(Note: The Globe is now pay-per-peep, but they give you viewing rights for 10 articles per month.)

90 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 7:25:40pm

Well. We seem to have a first class meltdown under way.

Makes me a little sad to see someone I thought was conservative but not crazy going this way.

91 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 7:27:20pm

But not too sad, because I got over this disappointment a LONG time ago.

There’s a deep sickness in the US conservative movement.

92 ObserverArt  Jul 4, 2014 7:27:22pm

Has anyone ever tried to do a study on the coarseness of political dialogue and the lessening of civility since FOX News hit the airwaves in late ‘96. Also how much they have helped make some of their viewers ignorant of some basic civics and politics?

I know that people have always liked to say you can’t discuss religion and politics. Seems as if FOX News and then others like them have decided to give voice to those that maybe really shouldn’t discuss anything.

That bit above about the British asking not to have their media give voice to climate deniers sort of fits into what I am getting at. If you didn’t have so much sludge pouring out of the nutty media to push agendas, the people that fall for it would have to at the very least hide their ignorance. Now they are out in the open and talking nonsense because they are fed it and take it as fact.

93 calochortus  Jul 4, 2014 7:28:06pm

re: #89 BongCrodny

…and the floodgates start to open.

From the Boston Globe:

Gordon College leader joins request for exemption to hiring rule

It’s not about tolerance. It’s about making people second-class citizens.

And the President may have been reaching out when he asked Rick Warren to give the invocation at his first inaugural, but there are some people you just do not reach out to.

(Note: The Globe is now pay-per-peep, but they give you viewing rights for 10 articles per month.)

Seems to me you wouldn’t care about the sexual orientation of your employees unless sex was part of your job. Is there something we should know about Gordon College?

94 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 7:28:26pm
95 sagehen  Jul 4, 2014 7:30:19pm

re: #78 Gus

Rancho Cucamonga!!

(my favorite California restaurant is there… it started as a pony express station, it was in the same family for more than 100 years before being sold to some multi-restaurant corporation, there’s a huge tree in the middle of the dining room that used to be the hitching post before the building was expanded around it).

The food is delicious, service is excellent. Highly recommended, if you’re going to be within 25 miles for some other reason (on the way to Big Bear? Or going to Ontario Raceway or the Pomona Fairgrounds…)

thesycamoreinn.com

ETA: also convenient on the way to or from Palm Springs or Vegas; nearish to the Chino Airport/Museum, which has a fabulous collection of vintage craft and for a big enough donation they’ll take you up in a P-51.

96 BongCrodny  Jul 4, 2014 7:31:51pm

re: #93 calochortus

Seems to me you wouldn’t care about the sexual orientation of your employees unless sex was part of your job. Is there something we should know about Gordon College?

It’s a Christian college, but other than that I don’t know anything about it.

It was reported the letter was “in the works” before the recent Hobby Lobby decision, but I wonder if that decision gave them the impetus to actually release the letter.

97 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 7:43:06pm
98 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 7:44:34pm
99 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 7:45:50pm

1. MYTH: This is amnesty.

FACT: Amnesty is the forgiveness of an offense without penalty. This proposal is not amnesty because illegal workers must acknowledge that they broke the law, pay a $1,000 fine, and undergo criminal background checks to obtain a Z visa granting temporary legal status.

FACT: To apply for a green card at a date years into the future, Z visa workers must wait in line behind those who applied lawfully, pay an additional $4,000 fine, complete accelerated English requirements, leave the U.S. and file their application in their home country, and demonstrate merit based on the skills and attributes they will bring to the United States.

FACT: Workers approved for Z visas will be given a temporary legal status, but they will not enjoy the full privileges of citizens or Legal Permanent Residents, such as welfare benefits and the ability to sponsor relatives abroad as immigrants.

100 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 7:47:26pm
101 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 7:50:23pm

102 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 7:52:03pm

re: #101 Gus

103 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 7:54:03pm
104 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 7:56:50pm

re: #103 Gus

Butcher Bill:

“My father gave his life, making this country what it is. Murdered by the British with all of his men on the twenty fifth of July, anno domini, 1814. Do you think I’m going to help you befoul his legacy, by giving this country over to them, what’s had no hand in the fighting for it? Why, because they come off a boat crawling with lice and begging you for soup. “

105 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 7:56:58pm
106 De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2014 7:57:27pm

re: #103 Gus

Bill the Butcher: “You see this knife? I’m gonna teach you to speak English with this fucking knife!”

107 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 7:58:34pm
108 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 7:59:22pm
109 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 7:59:38pm

re: #107 Gus

Bioshock Bill.

110 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:00:22pm
111 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 4, 2014 8:00:46pm

Well, with the sound of fireworks mortars thumping a few doors down, I am off to work. Have a great night all.

112 Amory Blaine  Jul 4, 2014 8:00:52pm

Fucking know nothing fucks.

113 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 8:01:07pm
114 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:01:15pm
115 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 8:01:53pm

That’s right. I went there.

116 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 8:02:33pm
117 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:02:42pm
118 Amory Blaine  Jul 4, 2014 8:03:26pm

Youtube Video

119 De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2014 8:06:41pm

re: #110 Gus

The first time I saw “Gangs of New York,” I mostly paid attention to Scorcese’s hommages to the great Sergio Leone. The second time I saw it, I thought, “Jesus, Marty, this is some hardcore historical shit.” Only a kid who grew up on Elizabeth Street would’ve made that flick, and had the gall to actually make it, and in suburban Rome’s dilapidated Cinecitta studios no less.

Though the dates of the events depicted are condensed for dramatic purposes, it still packs a wallop.

I live just a few blocks from the old Five Points. To say the least, the neigb is a bit cleaner nowadays.

120 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:15:08pm
121 calochortus  Jul 4, 2014 8:17:04pm

re: #120 Gus

What’s it supposed to be?

122 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:17:45pm

Does this look like a burning flag to you?

123 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:17:58pm

re: #121 calochortus

What’s it supposed to be?

See #122.

124 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 8:19:42pm

PRO-AMNESTY CROWD BURNS AMERICAN FLAG AT MURRIETA ON 4TH OF JULY

Whoa. They’re really trying to cause violence.

125 BeachDem  Jul 4, 2014 8:20:43pm

re: #102 jaunte

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OK, that one just made my eyes cross (hope it’s not permanent.) Gah—these folks are just getting more and more dense every day.

126 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:22:12pm
127 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:22:25pm
128 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 8:23:01pm

“Impaled on a fence.”
Give me a break.

129 calochortus  Jul 4, 2014 8:23:35pm

re: #123 Gus

See #122.

Oh. It looks like one of those cheap plastic flags realtors have been planting all over neighborhoods for the 4th.

130 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 8:25:21pm

WILDLIFE ALLOWED TO FORAGE ON FLAGS!!!

131 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 8:25:27pm
132 BeachDem  Jul 4, 2014 8:25:38pm

re: #122 Gus

Does this look like a burning flag to you?

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It looks like cheap plastic that would melt before it would burn. (and it definitely looks torn, not burnt.)

133 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:27:03pm

134 BeachDem  Jul 4, 2014 8:27:05pm

re: #127 Gus

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Oh noes—that 80 cent Chinese flag is DESECRATED. How WILL we ever go on!

135 BeachDem  Jul 4, 2014 8:29:09pm

One other thing—why would the pro-amnesty people burn a flag anyway? That makes no sense (but we’re talking about the not-so-bright-brats here, so I guess making sense doesn’t factor into it.)

136 calochortus  Jul 4, 2014 8:29:13pm

re: #132 BeachDem

It looks like cheap plastic that would melt before it would burn. (and it definitely looks torn, not burnt.)

Plastic burns just fine.

137 calochortus  Jul 4, 2014 8:29:37pm

re: #135 BeachDem

One other thing—why would the pro-amnesty people burn a flag anyway? That makes no sense (but we’re talking about the not-so-bright-brats here, so I guess making sense doesn’t factor into it.)

They hate us and want to destroy us.
/

138 The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 4, 2014 8:32:34pm

re: #133 Gus

The flag is obviously torn, and the torn bit folded under. The portion next to the toe of that shoe in the photo is raised off the ground. The low edge of the tear (“burn”) not only doesn’t have discoloration or warping such as you’d find when you burn plastic, you can actually see the folded edge.

This has gone so far into the realm of hateful propaganda that it’s scary.

There is no such thing as peak wingnut, there’s only the point where they act out the revenge fantasy inherent in all their assertions about their hated, un-American enemies.

Hard to snark about that.

139 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:34:29pm
140 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 8:36:55pm

That’s when all those Nicaraguan and Honduran children killed Davy Crockett.

141 The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 4, 2014 8:37:31pm

…and with all the instant access to photography, coincidentally no one got a picture of flags being torn/burnt.

Not suspicious at all.

142 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:41:14pm

re: #141 The Ghost of a Flea

…and with all the instant access to photography, coincidentally no one got a picture of flags being torn/burnt.

Not suspicious at all.

That too.

143 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:43:11pm
144 De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2014 8:45:09pm

re: #122 Gus

Does this look like a burning flag to you?

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Nope. It looks like a clumsy set-up. For one, there’s no fire. For two, the shadow is obviously Photoshopped. I’ve seen better fakes on the “Kubrick filmed the moon landing” sites.

Chalk it up to a clockwork orange.

145 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:47:08pm
146 BongCrodny  Jul 4, 2014 8:47:51pm

re: #122 Gus

Does this look like a burning flag to you?

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It looks like a trinket to me.

I’d bet those things wind up in the trash by the hundreds after whatever “patriotic” event has just transpired.

147 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:49:03pm

re: #146 BongCrodny

It looks like a trinket to me.

I’d bet those things wind up in the trash by the hundreds after whatever “patriotic” event has just transpired.

Friends of Hamas no doubt. //

148 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 4, 2014 8:49:11pm

I went to bed last night thinking this whole Murrietta thing would have calmed down by now. I was wrong. The RWNJs have instead used it as a rallying cry for “deport the alien peoples, coz they ain’t like us. Also, disease.”

Frankly, I think it’s a ruse by Obama to distract us from what’s really matters — Benghazi!

//

149 Stanley Sea  Jul 4, 2014 8:49:13pm

re: #50 jaunte

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I’m way behind but that deserves comment. Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!

150 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 4, 2014 8:49:58pm

re: #145 Gus

Yeah, could you pull it around up front, please? We’re almost ready to go.

151 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:53:16pm
152 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 8:54:41pm

re: #151 Gus

American Trooper of Scottish descent. I stand for Liberty. Limited gov. For the Light of the World, for Goodness & Life.. I am the Bane of all Evil. Welcome!

Oh look, an authentic Bane!

153 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:55:37pm
154 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:57:24pm

NTTAWWT

155 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:58:47pm
156 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 4, 2014 8:58:56pm

re: #152 jaunte

American Trooper of Scottish descent. I stand for Liberty. Limited gov. For the Light of the World, for Goodness & Life.. I am the Bane of all Evil. Welcome! Unless you’re not white and Christian. Then fuck off!

Edited for accuracy

157 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 8:58:57pm

Outreach. :D

158 De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2014 8:59:34pm

re: #152 jaunte

Oh look, an authentic Bane!

Through no fault of his own, DC Comic’s Chuck Dixon has a lot to answer for. Just sayin’.

Speaking of DC comics and xenophobia, Curt Swan’s 1960’s drawings of Superman make him look suspiciously Italian. I mentioned that recently to a guy at a comic book store counter, and he said I should write a book about that. I just might do that, comic book store counter guy, I just might do that.

159 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 9:05:20pm
160 Romantic Heretic  Jul 4, 2014 9:09:12pm

re: #158 De Kolta Chair

DC Comic’s Chuck Dixon has a lot to answer for. Just sayin’.

First time I saw Bane I immediately thought of this.

161 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 9:09:14pm

I always try to be somewhat balanced with that stupidity. Unfortunately they don’t seem to reciprocate.

162 De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2014 9:16:52pm

re: #160 Romantic Heretic

First time I saw Bane I immediately thought of this.

“Coalition Juicers, Secret Coalition Juicer program that creates ‘standard’ Juicers loyal to the Coalition States. (Coalition States Only)”

That’s a soothing thought.

163 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 9:18:16pm

164 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 9:22:48pm
165 De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2014 9:23:21pm

re: #163 Gus

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Because nothing says Orwellian quite like late-19th century molded metal technology.

166 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 9:25:02pm

re: #165 De Kolta Chair

Because nothing says Orwellian quite like late 19th century technology.

And providing refuge to top Nazi scientists. Some from the SS. Wheee!

167 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 9:27:17pm

re: #166 Gus

And providing refuge to top Nazi scientists. Some from the SS. Wheee!

Tom Lehrer - Wernher von Braun
Youtube Video

168 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 9:29:16pm
169 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 9:30:02pm

LOL. This one is weird.

170 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2014 9:30:24pm

re: #164 jaunte

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Boom!

171 De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2014 9:32:49pm

re: #166 Gus

And providing refuge to top Nazi scientists. Some from the SS. Wheee!

OSS! OSS! OSS!

172 Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2014 9:33:08pm
173 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 9:36:04pm

re: #169 Gus

LOL. This one is weird.

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Lost in translation.

174 austin_blue  Jul 4, 2014 9:36:20pm

$2 billion dollars is about $6.50 per citizen to alleviate a humanitarian crisis that could result in the death of thousands of people.

Count me in.

175 Lidane  Jul 4, 2014 9:36:26pm

re: #140 jaunte

Those idiots DO realize most of the people died at the Alamo, right?

Oh wait. These are RWNJs. Never mind.

176 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 9:37:26pm

re: #175 Lidane

Everybody wants to ‘remember the Alamo’, but nobody wants a reenactment.

177 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2014 9:38:18pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

They are the same people who think “Born in the U.S.A.” is a patriotic anthem

178 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 9:38:25pm

re: #173 jaunte

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Lost in translation.

I’ve just been laughing. Too weird.

179 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 9:39:28pm

Once again.

180 jaunte  Jul 4, 2014 9:39:31pm

It Begins

181 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 9:42:25pm
182 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 9:45:14pm
183 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 9:47:08pm
184 De Kolta Chair  Jul 4, 2014 9:52:25pm

Sure, the Repugs on the SCOTUS fucked up big time this week, but looking on the bright side, my main man Roger Federer defeated the very talented Canadian Milos Raonic in straight sets at Wimbledon today. (Mark my words, that kid is going to be ranked number one in a couple of years.)

And with that, I bid you good people a good night.

185 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2014 9:56:02pm

re: #180 jaunte

I didn’t know police in Japan used English lettering on their vests.

186 Lidane  Jul 4, 2014 10:09:47pm
187 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2014 10:12:47pm

re: #186 Lidane

And there go the splodey heads.

188 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 10:13:53pm

1. MYTH: This is amnesty.

FACT: Amnesty is the forgiveness of an offense without penalty. This proposal is not amnesty because illegal workers must acknowledge that they broke the law, pay a $1,000 fine, and undergo criminal background checks to obtain a Z visa granting temporary legal status.

189 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 10:24:13pm

Youtube Video

190 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 10:29:02pm
191 Kid A  Jul 4, 2014 10:36:18pm

I’m experimenting with “shooting from the hip.” These are three of my favorites from today.

192 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 4, 2014 10:42:36pm

re: #180 jaunte

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It Begins

Looks like tofu on the hoof.

193 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 4, 2014 10:44:13pm

By the way, the Feline Overlords do not approve of the local Philadelphia firework displays. A little bit noisier than their preferences.

194 Gus  Jul 4, 2014 10:51:48pm

Youtube Video

195 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 4, 2014 11:52:41pm

Tonight’s Password

196 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 12:21:16am

...

197 simoom  Jul 5, 2014 1:31:09am

Tom Waits/Cookie Monster mashup - God’s Away On Business:
Youtube Video

198 Kragar  Jul 5, 2014 1:47:20am
199 Jayleia  Jul 5, 2014 2:40:08am

So…I visited the nrcc’s american quiz…100 stupid-ass questions.

View the horror here

Just for bleeps and giggles, I tried it with 0 positive responses, and it said “surely you can think of something…go back and try again” or something like that.

So I tried it with one positive response:

Your score was 1!
America is the best country on Earth, and you embrace it.

There’s no doubt about it - you love your country! You’re an average American, happy to live in the freest country on Earth. You’re taking full advantage of everything this great country has to offer.

EDIT: I’m not a flagwaving super-patriot…but some of the pictures they had made me want to flip tables…FLAG UNDERWEAR?! *rage*

200 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 3:03:13am

re: #198 Kragar

Fiiiinally. There is a place for dissent, but only from within the expert community - and such dissent should not represent 0.01% of the community (cf. Peter Duisberg’s lonely HIV denialism). If 10% of experts disagree - that’s already something.

201 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 3:40:01am

Mentality of (not necessarily ethnically) Russian national-patriots:

Новороссия - это не война государства, это мистическая война на всех планах реальности.

Novorossiya is not a state war, it’s a mystical war on all planes of reality.

These people live in a parallel universe. Irrationality poisons everything.

202 goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2014 4:23:54am

re: #201 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

The thing about engaging Kiev on other planes of reality is that they’ve already demonstrated a capacity for LARP on an almost unimaginable scale.

Cleric.

Paladin and Squire.

Wizard casting magic missile.

Some kind of high level thief. Probably also an elf.

203 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 4:26:58am

re: #202 goddamnedfrank

lolol

Of course, there is this “hall of heroes” too:

204 Dr Lizardo  Jul 5, 2014 4:51:48am

re: #203 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

lolol

Of course, there is this “hall of heroes” too:

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I would imagine a good many members of that “Hall of Heroes” is making a beeline for the Russian border, and if not right now, they may well be doing so in the not-too-distant future.

205 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 5:09:05am

Three 4 yr olds and a 1 mo old were killed in this spreading fire. Just awful.

4 Children Killed, 8 Homes Destroyed, 42 Displaced in Massive Fire

nbcphiladelphia.com

Photo of the burned out row houses here:

phillyfirenews.com

206 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 5:10:29am
207 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 5:21:23am

The stupid “Before it’s news” website, where anybody can post, had this item about an alleged US plan for Ukraine, which included mass shootings. Of course, the Russian Goebbels-media have run with it.

208 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2014 5:29:31am

Evolution!!11!!

209 Targetpractice  Jul 5, 2014 5:32:34am

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

Evolution!!11!!

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It’s a mad house! A MAD HOUSE!

//

210 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2014 5:34:12am
211 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 5:41:24am

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pardon me, while I whip out my whiteometer. ///

212 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2014 5:43:52am

re: #195 Feline Fearless Leader

Tonight’s Password

Ooo! Stringbag!

213 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2014 5:47:17am

Link to story:
Train carrying parts to Boeing derails in Montana

214 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 6:06:38am

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

A friend of mine from grad school works for the Los Angeles Times and went out to Murrieta for these protests. She posted some photos to her FB page.

The one constant refrain from her was that she had to keep fighting to control her anger at the protesters so that she could appear objective and get close enough to take photos. She wanted to punch some of them in the face, especially the way they were aiming their hate at kids. She was outraged at the whole display. Even people on her list who called themselves conservatives were ashamed of the protesters.

The RWNJs are playing with fire here. I don’t think they realize just how toxic the rabble in Murrieta are for people. It’s reminding a lot of people of the attacks that blacks faced during the Civil Rights era. People are stunned that this level of hate still exists.

215 Timothy Watson  Jul 5, 2014 6:12:20am

re: #214 Lidane

A friend of mine from grad school works for the Los Angeles Times and went out to Murrieta for these protests. She posted some photos to her FB page.

The one constant refrain from her was that she had to keep fighting to control her anger at the protesters so that she could appear objective and get close enough to take photos. She wanted to punch some of them in the face, especially the way they were aiming their hate at kids. She was outraged at the whole display. Even people on her list who called themselves conservatives were ashamed of the display.

The RWNJs are playing with fire here. I don’t think they realize just how toxic the rabble in Murrieta are for people. It’s reminding a lot of people of the attacks that blacks faced during the Civil Rights era. People are stunned that this level of hate still exists.

The first comparison I thought of was this:

with this:

216 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2014 6:13:24am

re: #215 Timothy Watson

The first comparison I thought of was this:
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with this:
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me, too.

217 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 5, 2014 6:21:25am

re: #207 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Since RT has deleted the item, here’s a copy of the google cache:

peeep.us

218 Ryan King  Jul 5, 2014 6:36:20am

As a lover of things that go boom and the smell of the smoke, let me give a patriotic FUCK YOU to the jackwagons who shoot off a couple of mortars and large firecrackers at 3:10AM.

220 PhillyPretzel  Jul 5, 2014 6:53:13am

re: #218 Ryan King

It sounds like your “neighbors” were too drunk to know what time it was. In my neighborhood the cops would have been called. It is anyone’s guess as to when they arrived.

221 A Mom Anon  Jul 5, 2014 6:54:55am

re: #215 Timothy Watson

I think I remember reading something several years back about the lady in that bottom photo, screaming at the young woman trying to go to school. She ended up being ashamed of her actions that day and was embarrassed by that photo for a long time.

I can only hope that as more of these ugly pictures get distributed, that some of these ridiculous human beings have a similar “come to Jesus” moment. I’m not optimistic, but hey, you never know.

222 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2014 6:59:17am

re: #215 Timothy Watson

223 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 5, 2014 7:00:11am

re: #221 A Mom Anon

I can only hope that as more of these ugly pictures get distributed, that some of these ridiculous human beings have a similar “come to Jesus” moment. I’m not optimistic, but hey, you never know.

These people have learned that you don’t retreat, you reload!

224 Timothy Watson  Jul 5, 2014 7:01:00am

re: #221 A Mom Anon

I think I remember reading something several years back about the lady in that bottom photo, screaming at the young woman trying to go to school. She ended up being ashamed of her actions that day and was embarrassed by that photo for a long time.

I can only hope that as more of these ugly pictures get distributed, that some of these ridiculous human beings have a similar “come to Jesus” moment. I’m not optimistic, but hey, you never know.

I remember the same story, I think the author of the piece sat down with both the white and black woman together and they were pretty friendly with one another. At least for the woman during the Civil Rights Era, she had the excuse of being young.

The one in the Murrieta picture doesn’t have that excuse.

225 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2014 7:11:14am

heh…

226 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 7:11:21am
227 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 7:16:00am

re: #226 Stanley Sea

Hunting purely for sport disgusts me. It’s one thing if you hunt game and then take the meat to be processed. My uncles and cousins have been doing that for ages. But hunting lions or some other animals purely to say you killed one? Fuck that. I’ve got no respect for anyone who does that.

228 Bubblehead II  Jul 5, 2014 7:19:18am

Morning Lizards. Clear, sunny and already 76 degrees with an expected high of 98.

229 Kid A  Jul 5, 2014 7:22:36am

re: #226 Stanley Sea

That smile on her face is just creepy.

230 darthstar  Jul 5, 2014 7:24:03am

Happy once-again-dependent-on-foreign-oil day.

231 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 7:24:46am

The photos and the article in Buzzfeed are good. Never really realized that the lions just laze around like all cats until time to kill. Easy cowardly kill for assholes.

232 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 7:25:44am

Truly horrific. If this fire was set, I sure as hell hope they find who did it.

Authorities: About 100 firefighters in 28 trucks responded to blaze at row home in southwest Philadelphia that displaced about 40 and killed 4 children - @PhillyInquirer
Read more on inquirer.com

233 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 7:31:33am

MURICA!

234 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 7:33:11am

Sanctimonious asshole. No one needs a dose of your religion when they are transacting business.

Bank teller says she was fired for telling customers to ‘have a blessed day’
Bank says woman violated ethics code

theindychannel.com

235 darthstar  Jul 5, 2014 7:33:48am

re: #233 Lidane

MURICA!

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May that tweet find its way to the desk of every hiring manager he ever faces.

236 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2014 7:35:52am

Meanwhile, in Maine:

ETA: Notice I avoided mentioning a joke about yellow snow…

237 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 7:35:58am

Here’s another about the train derailment. $$$$$$$$$$$

238 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 7:39:34am

No links because they would go to the toxic shithole known as VDARE, but the herpty derp on the #Murrieta hashtag has a bunch of idiots bleating about Obama Regime Plans European-Style Asylum Camps Throughout The US! Eleventy!

These people are deranged. How do they get through the day without hurting themselves?

239 Ryan King  Jul 5, 2014 7:40:20am

re: #220 PhillyPretzel

It sounds like your “neighbors” were too drunk to know what time it was. In my neighborhood the cops would have been called. It is anyone’s guess as to when they arrived.

I don’t think they were drunk enough not to think. They shot off enough stuff for me to get up and start looking down the hill, ready to Google map triangulate and call the coppers, then they stopped.

Next year buddy, I’ll be waitin! Oh wait… I’m moving. Scratch that.

240 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2014 7:44:37am
241 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 7:51:01am

Nope. Nothing racist here at all:

242 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 7:54:07am

And for the curious, the WAAR hashtag stands for “We Are American Refugees”. It’s the nutburgers who claim they don’t recognize “their” country anymore and they “want it back”.

243 PhillyPretzel  Jul 5, 2014 7:56:55am

re: #242 Lidane

If they do not recognize it perhaps they should go somewhere and start their own country, that way they can say they “founded” it. I know where they can get some cheap bottom land …

244 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 7:57:44am

re: #238 Lidane

No links because they would go to the toxic shithole known as VDARE, but the herpty derp on the #Murrieta hashtag has a bunch of idiots bleating about Obama Regime Plans European-Style Asylum Camps Throughout The US! Eleventy!

These people are deranged. How do they get through the day without hurting themselves?

They don’t; they just blame it all on someone else.

245 Ryan King  Jul 5, 2014 7:58:52am

re: #242 Lidane

And for the curious, the WAAR hashtag stands for “We Are American Refugees”. It’s the nutburgers who claim they don’t recognize “their” country anymore and they “want it back”.

WAAR = terrorists.

The Tea Party is basically the ideological orchard for terrorist fruits and nuts.

Or, ‘militants.’

246 Amory Blaine  Jul 5, 2014 8:00:24am

Them African hunting trips are very expensive, usually a rite-of-passage for the elite class.

247 PhillyPretzel  Jul 5, 2014 8:01:11am

re: #246 Amory Blaine

A modern day version of the Grand Tour.

248 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 5, 2014 8:01:11am

re: #245 Ryan King

WAAR = terrorists.

The Tea Party is basically the ideological orchard for terrorist fruits and nuts.

Or, ‘militants.’

Unless they can make more than a subjective case that their government has been usurped, then they are traitors to the United States, loyal only to some fictional ideal country that exists only in their deluded minds.

249 Ryan King  Jul 5, 2014 8:03:20am

re: #246 Amory Blaine

Them African hunting trips are very expensive, usually a right-of-passage for the elite class.

‘Big Game’ = big $

I’m sure she eats all that meat too.

250 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 8:03:56am

Still more freedom than Obama’s America!

/Greenwald

251 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2014 8:20:08am

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A similar one I just saw asked, “Why is it the party that supports a huge military also the one that says people have to be armed to protect themselves from a tyrannical government?”

252 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2014 8:23:51am

I just discovered a piece of tourism that I am going to have to do someday.

HMCS Onondaga Museum For $75 Cdn you can spend a night on board pretending to be a submariner.

253 Amory Blaine  Jul 5, 2014 8:25:03am

re: #250 Lidane

How will antivirus companies cope with the plunge in spam, viruses and phishing?!?

254 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 8:26:41am

re: #241 Lidane

Nope. Nothing racist here at all:

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Yes, because MS-13 never existed before 1/20/2009. Another conservative idiot.

255 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 8:28:34am

The Mara Salvatrucha gang originated in Los Angeles, set up in the 1980s by Salvadoran immigrants in the city’s Pico-Union neighborhood who immigrated to the United States after the Central American civil wars of the 1980s.

Thanks Reagan!

256 darthstar  Jul 5, 2014 8:37:34am

Fucking CNN…fear mongering bastards.

257 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 8:40:34am

re: #256 darthstar

ClickbaitNewsNetwork

258 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 8:43:04am

re: #237 Stanley Sea

Here’s another about the train derailment. $$$$$$$$$$$

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Looks like they’re headed upstream to spawn.

I thought they made those things in Renton. I guess they just stick the wings and tail on, and paint ‘em. And some interior work. And electronics and windows.

259 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 8:44:11am

re: #246 Amory Blaine

Them African hunting trips are very expensive, usually a right-of-passage for the elite class.

Well, she certainly promotes herself on FB. Wants her own TV show now and will probably get it, and will no doubt get plenty of sponsorships to promote her kills.

facebook.com

If you look at the “About” info and her “biography” you will see that she was raised from an early age to do this. Also, “On the side of hunting, I am also receiving an education from Texas Tech University. I am a cheerleader for the University representing the All Girl Squad making apprearances at football, basketball and volleyball games, as well as, attending many public events as part of the Spirit Program. I am currently a sophomore with a degree program focusing on Marketing and Sports Therapy.”

So yeah, “Marketing” herself right now is her real project.

260 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 5, 2014 8:47:10am

re: #259 Justanotherhuman

Well, she certainly promotes herself on FB. Wants her own TV show now and will probably get it, and will no doubt get plenty of sponsorships to promote her kills.

facebook.com

If you look at the “About” info and her “biography” you will see that she was raised from an early age to do this. Also, “On the side of hunting, I am also receiving an education from Texas Tech University. I am a cheerleader for the University representing the All Girl Squad making apprearances at football, basketball and volleyball games, as well as, attending many public events as part of the Spirit Program. I am currently a sophomore with a degree program focusing on Marketing and Sports Therapy.”

So yeah, “Marketing” herself right now is her real project.

Another Kardashian in the making.

261 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 8:48:36am

Jones also has “followers” but not in the typical FB, Twitter meaning.

262 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 8:48:47am

It’s almost time for Messi to do his thing. Should be fun.

263 Mattand  Jul 5, 2014 8:50:02am

re: #214 Lidane

A friend of mine from grad school works for the Los Angeles Times and went out to Murrieta for these protests. She posted some photos to her FB page.

The one constant refrain from her was that she had to keep fighting to control her anger at the protesters so that she could appear objective and get close enough to take photos. She wanted to punch some of them in the face, especially the way they were aiming their hate at kids. She was outraged at the whole display. Even people on her list who called themselves conservatives were ashamed of the protesters.

The RWNJs are playing with fire here. I don’t think they realize just how toxic the rabble in Murrieta are for people. It’s reminding a lot of people of the attacks that blacks faced during the Civil Rights era. People are stunned that this level of hate still exists.

I sometimes think we’re headed for another Civil War. The election of a black Democratic president has sent really sent the conservative element in the country over the edge.

The problem is it won’t be neatly divided in geographic regions. I live in allegedly liberal NJ, and I know of at least two households hearing flying their Gasden/Don’t Tread on Me/I’m a Clueless Political Moron warning flags.

As far as I’m concerned, that’s pretty much a signal that the people in those households understand the Constitution the way a worm understands particle physics.

Look what caucuses under the conservative banner these days:

• The drooling pack of racist mouth breathers as seen in Murietta
• The paranoid loons of Bundy Ranch
• Weak kneed “rational” cowards like Boehner who kiss the radicals’ asses in order to maintain power
• The spineless “Gosh, whaddya gonna do” cowards who keep electing the Tea Baggers into Congress, while concern trolling over how upset they are about the GOP

We can’t keep going like this. Republicans have basically stopped pretending they care about the running the country , and are pretty upfront about making Obama’s downfall their only job.

If the average American “independent” voter had any fucking brains, they’d stop voting Republican for however long it takes for these idiots to come back to reality.

Happy 4th of July. Whee.

264 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 8:52:52am

Democrats want a rational immigration bill that includes a path to citizenship, deportation, and border security.

Republicans want hysterics, mass deportations, and a Berlin wall on the border.

265 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 8:54:51am

re: #264 Gus

Democrats want a rational immigration bill that includes a path to citizenship, deportation, and border security.

Republicans want hysterics, mass deportations, and a Berlin wall on the border.

And in reality, border security has nothing to do with immigration policy.

266 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 8:56:01am

re: #264 Gus

Republicans want hysterics, mass deportations, and a Berlin wall on the border.

Don’t forget the sniper towers, the landmines at the border and the sharks with frickin’ laser beams in the Rio Grande.

267 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 5, 2014 8:56:01am

re: #265 wrenchwench

And in reality, border security has nothing to do with immigration policy.

It has to be part of any comprehensive reform. And it is going to cost money.

268 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 8:57:02am

re: #266 Lidane

Don’t forget the sniper towers, the landmines at the border and the sharks with frickin’ laser beams in the Rio Grande.

Land mines.

269 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 8:57:38am

re: #267 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It has to be part of any comprehensive reform. And it is going to cost money.

DEFUND ACORN, OBAMACARE, AND THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH TO PAY FOR IT! ELEVENTY!

270 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 8:58:53am

re: #260 GlutenFreeJesus

Daddy’s Money: rigzone.com

It’s TX; you might have known it had something to do with oil.

271 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2014 9:00:12am

Morning Lizardim from the warm and beautiful wild north country. The Little Fish seems to have misplaced our TV remote control; I suppose that would be MY daughter (since I’m always the one misplacing things, according to the Mrs. Fish). I also just finished cleaning out all of my old papers from years gone by. It feels liberating - rather fitting for this holiday weekend. How go things among the lizardfolk on this fine post-Fourth Saturday?

272 Bubblehead II  Jul 5, 2014 9:01:00am

On the SSM front, the 9th circuit will begin hearing oral arguments on Hawaii’s, Nevada’s and Idaho’s appeals. Oregon, which has sought a dismissal of their appeal, is currently fighting with NOM, which wants to keep the appeal in place and is trying to gain standing in the case.

07/03/2014 Notice of Oral Argument on Monday, September 8, 2014, 9:30 a.m., Courtroom One, James R. Browning US Courthouse, San Francisco, California

273 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2014 9:02:43am

re: #269 Lidane

DEFUND ACORN, OBAMACARE, AND THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH TO PAY FOR IT! ELEVENTY!

And we’ll replace the Executive Branch with a Leadership Branch! Cuz that’s what this country needs now! A Leader!

274 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 9:04:11am

Holistic healer, psychic, truth teller, pagan, part Greek!

275 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 9:06:35am

re: #274 Gus

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All the crazies…

276 ObserverArt  Jul 5, 2014 9:06:49am

re: #224 Timothy Watson

I remember the same story, I think the author of the piece sat down with both the white and black woman together and they were pretty friendly with one another. At least for the woman during the Civil Rights Era, she had the excuse of being young.

The one in the Murrieta picture doesn’t have that excuse.

She might not be young, but she sure as hell is immature. And that certainly is no excuse.

277 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 9:11:54am

re: #267 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It has to be part of any comprehensive reform. And it is going to cost money.

‘Has to” in a political sense only. It is a complete red herring. It is being used to delay and deny immigration reform.

278 bubba zanetti  Jul 5, 2014 9:14:44am

re: #241 Lidane

Nope. Nothing racist here at all:

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Tempted to recirculate that with a couple of Maori swapped in, see if anybody notices beyond ZOMG BRAOWNS WITH TATOOS!

279 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 9:16:14am

re: #277 wrenchwench

‘Has to” in a political sense only. It is a complete red herring. It is being used to delay and deny immigration reform.

WZ has point I can see. Well both of you.

if an insecure border fails to slow undocumented entry, quotas don’t have much meaning. That’s practical not political.

Inside DC? Sure WW that’s how they play it that’s where your point sings.

280 Teukka  Jul 5, 2014 9:16:16am

re: #278 bubba zanetti

Tempted to recirculate that with a couple of Maori swapped in, see if anybody notices beyond ZOMG BRAOWNS WITH TATOOS!

Man, the horror on the faces when someone shows them a Haka :/

Youtube Video

281 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 9:18:28am

Apparently dudebros think the NSA should ignore TOR. Morons.

282 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 9:20:52am

re: #271 thedopefishlives

It’s looking good at the 3 Lizard lair. Nice party yesterday, a bunch of good hungry friends about. Many brews and hot dogs came to a fitting end.
Lots of loud illegal fireworks all night still some after dawn. Hopefully fireworks not guns….

283 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 9:22:46am
284 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 9:24:36am

re: #283 Stanley Sea

Heh, Needs more training before he gets more practice time.

285 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 9:27:36am

@AnthonyCumia

Deleted all his Tweets after January 19th.

286 Bubblehead II  Jul 5, 2014 9:31:29am

re: #285 Gus

@AnthonyCumia

Deleted all his Tweets after January 19th.

I’m sure somebody, somewhere has screen caps of his more egregious ones.

287 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2014 9:33:14am

re: #281 Gus

Apparently dudebros think the NSA should ignore TOR. Morons.

Well, duh. Because anything that happens in the TOR network is obviously private communications by fine upstanding citizens and isn’t worthy of any closer government inspection.

288 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 9:33:55am

re: #279 Rightwingconspirator

WZ has point I can see. Well both of you.

if an insecure border fails to slow undocumented entry, quotas don’t have much meaning. That’s practical not political.

Inside DC? Sure WW that’s how they play it that’s where your point sings.

The proof that this:

if an insecure border fails to slow undocumented entry, quotas don’t have much meaning. That’s practical not political.

is nothing but diversionary obstructionism lies in the fact that undocumented entry HAS been slowed. No politician who claims border security must precede immigration reform has ever named the numbers that would satisfy him or her, except ‘zero’. If you’re looking for ‘zero’ before passing immigration reform, you are not a serious person, you are an obstructionist.

289 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2014 9:37:59am

re: #281 Gus

Apparently dudebros think the NSA should ignore TOR. Morons.

Of course, Gus, there’s another point that I forgot to mention: The dudebros think the NSA should ignore everything. Just pack up everything and quit existing. Because there’s no need to spy on anybody in the 21st century, the USA is the only country doing anything evil.

290 bratwurst  Jul 5, 2014 9:41:40am

Misleading Drudge tweet of the day:

Yes, it SOARED from two cities last weekend to nationwide this weekend…projecting out as the number ELEVEN film at the box office and well below the launch numbers for D’Souza’s Obama hit piece 2 years ago.

291 Kid A  Jul 5, 2014 9:42:46am

Belgium just missed equalizing by about two feet there.

292 Kid A  Jul 5, 2014 9:44:36am
293 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 9:46:29am

re: #290 bratwurst

Misleading Drudge tweet of the day:

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Yes, it SOARED from two cities last weekend to nationwide this weekend…projecting out as the number ELEVEN film at the box office and well below the launch numbers for D’Souza’s Obama hit piece 2 years ago.

His acrobatically evasive—and borderline idiotic—treatment of slavery should be enough to convince all but the most closed-minded D’Souzaites that the guy is little more than a slick, self-promotional propagandist.

294 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 9:50:08am

re: #290 bratwurst

Hilariously, as bad as the reviews for Transformers are, the ones for America are worse:

rottentomatoes.com

295 Amory Blaine  Jul 5, 2014 9:52:56am

I bet they love all them federal dollars down in ‘Murica Murrieta.

296 bratwurst  Jul 5, 2014 9:53:58am

re: #294 Lidane

Hilariously, as bad as the reviews for Transformers are, the ones for America are worse:

rottentomatoes.com

There is supposedly a scene at the end with D’Souza in handcuffs (explaining that he made a “mistake”). FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE GET A SCREEN GRAB OF THAT ASAP!

297 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 9:54:41am

re: #288 wrenchwench

The proof that this:

is nothing but diversionary obstructionism lies in the fact that undocumented entry HAS been slowed. No politician who claims border security must precede immigration reform has ever named the numbers that would satisfy him or her, except ‘zero’. If you’re looking for ‘zero’ before passing immigration reform, you are not a serious person, you are an obstructionist.

I don’t doubt any of that. And I’m certainly not looking for zero. Of course it’s not going to be zero. What is it down to since the recession eased? NYT (Pew study) says coming back up again. But that’s not even important.

Calls for more border security won’t go away or lose all legitimacy until the violence in Mexico comes down and the cartels end open warfare. We both know the Fox news guys will not ever let it go even if that happened.

298 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 9:56:12am

re: #295 Amory Blaine

I bet they love all them federal dollars down in ‘Murica Murrieta.

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299 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 9:56:30am

re: #292 Kid A

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Have you heard from anyone with one of the early production test Canon 7D Mark II? Supposedly there are some at the World Cup.

300 Kid A  Jul 5, 2014 9:57:18am

re: #294 Lidane

From one of the reviewers:

You could bother debating D’Souza on history and semantics and rudimentary logic, but chances are you’d end up feeling like Meathead arguing with Archie Bunker.

301 CuriousLurker  Jul 5, 2014 9:57:29am

No more MBF for the BBC. Too bad our news orgs won’t follow suit:

BBC staff told to stop inviting cranks on to science programmes

BBC journalists are being sent on courses to stop them inviting so many cranks onto programmes to air ‘marginal views’

The BBC Trust on Thursday published a progress report into the corporation’s science coverage which was criticised in 2012 for giving too much air-time to critics who oppose non-contentious issues.

The report found that there was still an ‘over-rigid application of editorial guidelines on impartiality’ which sought to give the ‘other side’ of the argument, even if that viewpoint was widely dismissed.

Some 200 staff have already attended seminars and workshops and more will be invited on courses in the coming months to stop them giving ‘undue attention to marginal opinion.’ […]

302 Ryan King  Jul 5, 2014 9:58:46am

D’Souza was on every talk show program in my market over the last 3 days. Basically:

Liberalism is evil and the cause for every bad thing
Socialism/liberalism has done more to damage to the black family than slavery

Yes, he literally said those things in a few different ways.

The most laughable one is that liberals exploit black folk to gain their support even though liberals really don’t care about black folk. Which shows his contempt for black folk because he thinks they are too stupid to know they are being exploited by the liberals and act in their own self interest.

He’s an ideological snake oil huckster out to make a buck.

303 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 10:00:18am

re: #301 CuriousLurker

Hopefully Al Jaz America will do the same. Some of their documentary stuff could choose the people to interview with a bit more care. The rest of the US media? Sadly not a chance.

304 Kid A  Jul 5, 2014 10:00:28am

re: #299 Rightwingconspirator

Have you heard from anyone with one of the early production test Canon 7D Mark II? Supposedly there are some at the World Cup.

I would be surprised if any of them are using it as it’s a 1.6 crop sensor and almost all of those shooters are shooting full frame D4s’s or 1Dx’s.

305 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 10:00:46am

re: #297 Rightwingconspirator

I don’t doubt any of that. And I’m certainly not looking for zero. Of course it’s not going to be zero. What is it down to since the recession eased? NYT (Pew study) says coming back up again. But that’s not even important.

Calls for more border security won’t go away or lose all legitimacy until the violence in Mexico comes down and the cartels end open warfare. We both know the Fox news guys will not ever let it go even if that happened.

So now it’s not just border security, it’s security within Mexico. The goalposts are all over the place. The immigrants are here. Let’s deal with what’s here and stop pretending there are good reasons not to.

306 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 10:04:39am

re: #293 Gus

“…after 78 minutes of defending America’s involvement in Vietnam and suggesting that colonialism only fails when it doesn’t last for long enough, D’Souza finally gets to the point of this empty-headed money grab: Hillary Clinton is the Antichrist. Connecting the politician to community organizer Saul Alinsky via a very convincing series of lines, D’Souza argues that Clinton intends to radicalize the White House and that her big government vision is to use the NSA to transform America into a giant panopticon. Other than the suggestion that Clinton is responsible for the death of Aaron Schwartz, D’Souza’s accusations are nearly identical to those he’s previously leveled at Obama, further weakening the integrity of his claims.”
avclub.com

307 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 10:05:11am

“a very convincing series of lines”

Hah.

308 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2014 10:08:30am
309 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 10:09:05am

re: #305 wrenchwench

I’m sorry if I seem to disagree, but isn’t violence a driver for families to flee where the cartels hold sway or battle to try to? Sure the RWNJ’s make too much of it for political reasons. But just on the face of it I can’t completely ignore those connections.

For the record I’m in strong favor of a path to citizenship. And driving the physical paths of illegal entry out into deadly desert and private border ranches has proven to be the completely wrong answer.

310 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 10:09:42am
311 Ryan King  Jul 5, 2014 10:11:55am

re: #310 Gus

Elvis is on Teh Twitterz?

312 Kid A  Jul 5, 2014 10:13:08am

re: #311 Ryan King

Elvis is on Teh Twitterz?

Forget it, he’s rolling.

313 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 10:13:20am

re: #311 Ryan King

Elvis is on Teh Twitterz?

Same with Imus. Unrelated to Twitter. Also, Rush is still alive and kicking.

314 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 10:13:24am

re: #310 Gus

I’m as much of a Firefly fan as the next Whedon nerd, but Adam Baldwin is an idiot.

315 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 10:15:18am

re: #314 Lidane

I’m as much of a Firefly fan as the next Whedon nerd, but Adam Baldwin is an idiot.

Adam Baldwin Agrees: Anti-Rape Classes Equal ‘Do Not Steal’ Classes for Blacks

316 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 10:16:04am
317 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 10:16:07am

re: #309 Rightwingconspirator

I’m sorry if I seem to disagree, but isn’t violence a driver for families to flee where the cartels hold sway or battle to try to? Sure the RWNJ’s make too much of it for political reasons. But just on the face of it I can’t completely ignore those connections.

For the record I’m in strong favor of a path to citizenship. And driving the physical paths of illegal entry out into deadly desert and private border ranches has proven to be the completely wrong answer.

‘Cartel violence’ is too vague of a term to base immigration policy on. The immigrants prominent in the news right now are coming from Central America, not Mexico. Yes, the Mexican cartels reach into those countries, but the violence comes even more from their own army and police, which by the way we armed to fight the cartels. Poverty in the extreme is also a motivation.

No Childhood Here: Why Central American Children are Fleeing Their Homes

What’s the logic for requiring solutions to all the problems south of us before we reform our own problems?

318 Ryan King  Jul 5, 2014 10:16:55am

re: #313 Gus

Same with Imus. Unrelated to Twitter. Also, Rush is still alive and kicking.

Paula is still cooking too. ‘They’ didn’t do a very good job of ‘getting’ her. We need more practice, focus, and much more middle management.

319 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2014 10:17:29am
320 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 5, 2014 10:18:30am

re: #309 Rightwingconspirator

I’m sorry if I seem to disagree, but isn’t violence a driver for families to flee where the cartels hold sway or battle to try to? Sure the RWNJ’s make too much of it for political reasons. But just on the face of it I can’t completely ignore those connections.

For the record I’m in strong favor of a path to citizenship. And driving the physical paths of illegal entry out into deadly desert and private border ranches has proven to be the completely wrong answer.

What ‘connections’ are you talking about?

The people calling for increased border security would be calling for it whether the people were economic migrants or fleeing torture and death. You seem to be casting them in an even worse light by saying that their objections to these migrants is that they’re fleeing lawlessness.

321 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 10:20:24am

Activist to distribute flashlights to border crossers

Immigrant-rights activists have set up water stations, gone out nearly daily to find border crossers in distress, and circulated warning posters and maps of the locations of those who have died in the desert.

All with the goal of stopping the deaths of immigrants trying to cross into the United States.

Now Robin Hoover, founder and former member of the local group Humane Borders, is planning to distribute 100 high-intensity flashlights.

Hoover will work today with a local church in Altar, Sonora, 115 miles southwest of Tucson and one of the last staging areas for would-be border crossers, to pass out the $8.32 flashlights that can illuminate a tree a half-mile away and include both a strobe and an S.O.S. function.

“I hope that this simple device will help save lives,” he said Thursday during a news conference at El Tiradito Shrine in downtown Tucson, as he held the small black flashlight under a plastic water bottle to show how it created a prismatic effect.

[…]

322 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 10:20:30am

re: #304 Kid A

I would be surprised if any of them are using it as it’s a 1.6 crop sensor and almost all of those shooters are shooting full frame D4s’s or 1Dx’s.

Well you would know far better than I. All I got is rumors from online. I say this as I schedule a cleaning & service for my aging 7D for after an upcoming trip to Morro Bay. 5 years already.

323 Dark_Falcon  Jul 5, 2014 10:23:28am

Hello, all. I’m just dropping by for a quick status update, since I know I haven’t been around much. I’m sorry about that, but I’m currently fighting a leg infection and inflammation that is very painful unless I keep the effected leg elevated, which I cannot do and sit at my PC. I’ve been to the doctor and I’m taking the antibiotics she prescribed, so I should be fine in time. Once the pain is lessened, I’ll return fully. But right now its only a little at a time.

324 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2014 10:23:59am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Hello, all. I’m just dropping by for a quick status update, since I know I haven’t been around much. I’m sorry about that, but I’m currently fighting a leg infection and inflammation that is very painful unless I keep the effected leg elevated, which I cannot do and sit at my PC. I’ve been to the doctor and I’m taking the antibiotics she prescribed, so I should be fine in time. Once the pain is lessened, I’ll return fully. But right now its only a little at a time.

{{{D_F}}}

325 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 10:25:07am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Hello, all. I’m just dropping by for a quick status update, since I know I haven’t been around much. I’m sorry about that, but I’m currently fighting a leg infection and inflammation that is very painful unless I keep the effected leg elevated, which I cannot do and sit at my PC. I’ve been to the doctor and I’m taking the antibiotics she prescribed, so I should be fine in time. Once the pain is lessened, I’ll return fully. But right now its only a little at a time.

Get well soon DF!

326 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 10:27:05am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Take care of yourself; I hope you feel better soon.

327 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 10:27:49am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Take care {D_F}.

328 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 10:28:13am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Hello, all. I’m just dropping by for a quick status update, since I know I haven’t been around much. I’m sorry about that, but I’m currently fighting a leg infection and inflammation that is very painful unless I keep the effected leg elevated, which I cannot do and sit at my PC. I’ve been to the doctor and I’m taking the antibiotics she prescribed, so I should be fine in time. Once the pain is lessened, I’ll return fully. But right now its only a little at a time.

Feel better.

Laptop fund needed.

329 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 5, 2014 10:28:54am

re: #322 Rightwingconspirator

Well you would know far better than I. All I got is rumors from online. I say this as I schedule a cleaning & service for my aging 7D for after an upcoming trip to Morro Bay. 5 years already.

Of course you could go mirrorless and learn that you don’t need all that weight or a full frame sensor to do professional level work … :whistles:

(Did you see my wee page of pics?)

330 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 5, 2014 10:30:44am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Take care, I’ve noted your absence of late and missed you.

Tell the doctor to prescribe you a laptop so you can lay back with your leg up & LGF on your tummy ;)

331 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 10:31:33am

re: #320 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I refer to a connection between violence in Mexico and the resulting need to flee for a place the cartels have little or no power.

I’m not framing my thinking through a DC or Texas republican filter. What they might or might not do if this or that. I think more in terms of the problem as I can see or look into for myself more directly than the US media english to hyperbole translators. I can see for myself what a path for citizenship could do for my home city.

Yes the trolls and xenophobes at Murietta certainly should be seen in a worse light given conditions in Mexico.

332 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 10:33:20am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Heal fast and well Dark. Take good care.

333 aagcobb  Jul 5, 2014 10:33:30am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Hello, all. I’m just dropping by for a quick status update, since I know I haven’t been around much. I’m sorry about that, but I’m currently fighting a leg infection and inflammation that is very painful unless I keep the effected leg elevated, which I cannot do and sit at my PC. I’ve been to the doctor and I’m taking the antibiotics she prescribed, so I should be fine in time. Once the pain is lessened, I’ll return fully. But right now its only a little at a time.

Take care of yourself. I had cellulitis in my leg a few years ago, and it was not fun.

334 FemNaziBitch  Jul 5, 2014 10:35:56am

Didn’t sleep last night, so this is morning for me.

On my first cuppa.

Humidity is way down in my part of the world and it looks like rain.

They don’t count the allergens on the weekends. My head says it’s as it has been.

you?

335 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 10:36:58am

re: #331 Rightwingconspirator

Yes the trolls and xenophobes at Murietta certainly should be seen in a worse light given conditions in Mexico.

About 25% of the people on the buses at Murrieta were from Mexico.

336 austin_blue  Jul 5, 2014 10:37:17am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Hello, all. I’m just dropping by for a quick status update, since I know I haven’t been around much. I’m sorry about that, but I’m currently fighting a leg infection and inflammation that is very painful unless I keep the effected leg elevated, which I cannot do and sit at my PC. I’ve been to the doctor and I’m taking the antibiotics she prescribed, so I should be fine in time. Once the pain is lessened, I’ll return fully. But right now its only a little at a time.

Get well soon, buddy.

337 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 5, 2014 10:39:19am

Quote from a friend at another web site about the 4th of Juy that I wanted to share:

I finally have that flintlock I wanted as a child in 1976. I have outgrown the desire for a tricorn. Fg over a little FFFg launches a big shower of sparks out of the muzzle.

The 4th is a promise. From Thomas Jefferson to Karl Marx to Emma Goldman to Woody Guthrie to Malcolm X to Audre Lorde to Harvey Milk to Gayle Rubin to me to my daughter and little sisters in our family of choice. All we can do is try to keep it; to renew the promise as often as possible. As in the original Declaration, drafts presented on the 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and any other day hundreds of years later, move us slowly towards more perfect.

338 Dr Lizardo  Jul 5, 2014 10:39:27am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Get well soon.

339 FemNaziBitch  Jul 5, 2014 10:40:17am

re: #317 wrenchwench

One thing I’ve noticed about this situation is that if Bush were still in office, he would be advocating for these children and more Conservatives would support the concept.

But since it’s Obama, they don’t.

340 Amory Blaine  Jul 5, 2014 10:40:34am

Where is the federal legislation to make hiring undocumented immigrants a felony with stiff prison sentences and confiscatory fines? Oh I know why, it’s not about that, it’s about riling up racist bigoted rubes for political gain.

341 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 10:42:09am

re: #329 William Barnett-Lewis

Of course you could go mirrorless and learn that you don’t need all that weight or a full frame sensor to do professional level work … :whistles:

(Did you see my wee page of pics?)

Just took a peek, nice work. The mirrorless cameras are not the same mount are they? Would be nice…

342 FemNaziBitch  Jul 5, 2014 10:42:17am

re: #314 Lidane

I’m as much of a Firefly fan as the next Whedon nerd, but Adam Baldwin is an idiot.

Doesn’t that go with the last name of “Baldwin” in Hollywood?

343 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 5, 2014 10:44:00am

re: #331 Rightwingconspirator

I refer to a connection between violence in Mexico and the resulting need to flee for a place the cartels have little or no power.

I’m not framing my thinking through a DC or Texas republican filter. What they might or might not do if this or that. I think more in terms of the problem as I can see or look into for myself more directly than the US media english to hyperbole translators. I can see for myself what a path for citizenship could do for my home city.

Yes the trolls and xenophobes at Murietta certainly should be seen in a worse light given conditions in Mexico.

I just can’t tell what point you’re trying to make. You seemed to be saying that people calling for border security was related to cartel violence. There really isn’t much of a connection to cartel violence and people objecting to immigration.

344 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 10:45:40am

re: #317 wrenchwench

What’s the logic for requiring solutions to all the problems south of us before we reform our own problems?

Well since I never said there was and I don’t see any I can’t answer.

345 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2014 10:46:27am

re: #317 wrenchwench

No Childhood Here: Why Central American Children are Fleeing Their Homes

What’s the logic for requiring solutions to all the problems south of us before we reform our own problems?

From that piece:

I also met two men in their early twenties who were fleeing with their adolescent sisters. In both cases, the brothers had received numerous threats in El Salvador and had fled to the U.S. in the previous year. Upon reaching the U.S., they tried to seek asylum. One was told inside the detention center where he was kept that since he was not “black or Muslim,” he could not do so.

346 Amory Blaine  Jul 5, 2014 10:47:09am

The concept of negative externality needs to be drilled into the head of every US student starting in the first grade.

347 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 10:47:11am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Hello, all. I’m just dropping by for a quick status update, since I know I haven’t been around much. I’m sorry about that, but I’m currently fighting a leg infection and inflammation that is very painful unless I keep the effected leg elevated, which I cannot do and sit at my PC. I’ve been to the doctor and I’m taking the antibiotics she prescribed, so I should be fine in time. Once the pain is lessened, I’ll return fully. But right now its only a little at a time.

Get better sooner! : )

348 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 10:47:42am

Later in the hearing, Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.) helped Perry further destroy the Republican narrative on the current immigration crisis when he asked Perry to recall the dates on which the DACA policy and the Trafficking Victims Protection Act (which created special rules for unaccompanied children from non-contiguous countries) were enacted, since these are the policies that are supposedly to blame for drawing these unaccompanied children to our borders, years after the fact. Perry interrupted Swalwell to again insist that the real problem, and the only solution, is National Guard troops on the border.

349 FemNaziBitch  Jul 5, 2014 10:47:58am

350 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2014 10:48:35am

re: #349 FemNaziBitch

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HERETIC.

This conversation is over.

351 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 10:48:41am

re: #343 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I just can’t tell what point you’re trying to make. You seemed to be saying that people calling for border security was related to cartel violence. There really isn’t much of a connection to cartel violence and people objecting to immigration.

I think violence in Mexico and cartel violence will continue to be a trigger for calls for more border security. And a motivator to get out to the US. Right or wrong that’s gonna happen. Not the motivator, a motivator, along with poverty, opportunities here etc.

352 FemNaziBitch  Jul 5, 2014 10:50:52am

Where are the Theocrats offering to foster or be guardians for these children?

I thought we were a Christian country and loved children.

353 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 5, 2014 10:51:04am

re: #351 Rightwingconspirator

I think violence in Mexico and cartel violence will continue to be a trigger for calls for more border security.

Why do you believe that they are connected at all? That’s what I’m asking.

And a motivator to get out to the US. Right or wrong that’s gonna happen. Not the motivator, a motivator, along with poverty, opportunities here etc.

Are you trying to say a significant percentage of the refugees are mainly here because of cartel violence?

354 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 10:51:24am
355 FemNaziBitch  Jul 5, 2014 10:52:18am
356 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 10:53:06am

re: #348 Gus

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He is a flat out idiot. No brains. Stupid. Feeble.

357 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2014 10:53:07am

Wow, watching Belgium completely blow this last opportunity.

358 sagehen  Jul 5, 2014 10:53:21am

re: #340 Amory Blaine

Where is the federal legislation to make hiring undocumented immigrants a felony with stiff prison sentences and confiscatory fines? Oh I know why, it’s not about that, it’s about riling up racist bigoted rubes for political gain.

Texas tried to pass a state law that did such a thing — with specific exemption for housecleaning and yardwork. Real subtle there, dudes.

359 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 5, 2014 10:53:25am

re: #341 Rightwingconspirator

Just took a peek, nice work. The mirrorless cameras are not the same mount are they? Would be nice…

I believe Canon did go with a different mount. However, the m4/3 can adapt everything under the sun to work with it. Heck, the shots on that page were done with my late Mother’s Canon FD 50/1.8 manual focus lens - it’s the only digital system that can use FD lenses :) so they’re still stupid cheap.

Nah, it’ll be another generation or three (camera wise) before DSLR’s start looking as dinosaurish as film cameras in the hands of pros did around 2000…

360 alpuz  Jul 5, 2014 10:57:44am

re: #358 sagehen

Having lived in Lakeway, many a millionaire(*cough* construction) have made their fortunes off of the backs of illegal immigrant labor. You’d have to be blind not to see it.

Knew a guy who referred to them as ‘my mexicans’.

361 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 10:58:14am

re: #358 sagehen

Texas tried to pass a state law that did such a thing — with specific exemption for housecleaning and yardwork. Real subtle there, dudes.

Don’t want the ruling class to do without their servants.

362 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 10:58:25am

Who would have thought you could get rich off baby formula theft?

Arrests Made in $2 Million Baby Formula Theft Ring

nbcmiami.com

363 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2014 10:59:18am

re: #362 Justanotherhuman

Who would have thought you could get rich off baby formula theft?

Arrests Made in $2 Million Baby Formula Theft Ring

nbcmiami.com

$2 million? That’s, what, about 5 containers’ worth?

///Half

364 Amory Blaine  Jul 5, 2014 11:01:31am

re: #363 thedopefishlives

Ha!!

365 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 11:02:32am

re: #363 thedopefishlives

$2 million? That’s, what, about 5 containers’ worth?

///Half

Yeah, did you see what they did? HIred “boosters” from FB and Craigslist to steal formula, bring it to them, and then sold it to small stores up north.

366 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 11:03:15am

re: #358 sagehen

Texas tried to pass a state law that did such a thing — with specific exemption for housecleaning and yardwork. Real subtle there, dudes.

If they hadn’t put those exemptions in, Republicans all over this state would’ve become felons overnight. Can’t allow that.

367 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2014 11:03:18am

re: #364 Amory Blaine

Ha!!

I have kids, I know how much that shit costs.

368 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 11:03:29am

re: #359 William Barnett-Lewis

Yeah, the thing about more than casual use of the mirrorless is what about the glare on that preview screen? Rangefinder?

369 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2014 11:03:43am

re: #365 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, did you see what they did? HIred “boosters” from FB and Craigslist to steal formula, bring it to them, and then sold it to small stores up north.

Craigslist, why am I not surprised?

370 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 11:03:44am
371 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 11:04:42am

re: #369 thedopefishlives

Craigslist, why am I not surprised?

FB, either, really.

372 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 11:05:49am

re: #344 Rightwingconspirator

Well since I never said there was and I don’t see any I can’t answer.

OK, I overstated it. You did say

Calls for more border security won’t go away or lose all legitimacy until the violence in Mexico comes down and the cartels end open warfare.

You said those calls calls for more border security have legitimacy. I say they don’t. I also say that we need to reform our immigration system regardless of what’s happening south of us.

373 alpuz  Jul 5, 2014 11:05:54am

Just gonna drop this here:

“The chairman of the State Public Defender Board on Thursday defended the hiring of a longtime aide to Gov. Scott Walker for the public defender office’s top IT position — even though she didn’t interview for the job and wasn’t a finalist…

Archer was hired as chief information officer for the office at a salary 31 percent higher than her predecessor. Archer also received an 11.7 percent pay raise, to $113,459 annually. Archer was not one of seven candidates who interviewed for the job, nor one of two finalists…

Archer was Walker’s administrative services director in Milwaukee County and initially was deputy administration secretary when Walker became governor. In 2011 police raided her Madison home in the John Doe investigation that led to convictions of six former Walker aides and associates. Emails from that investigation showed Archer was among Walker’s campaign and county staff who used private emails and a secret Internet router to hide campaign-related communications from public disclosure. Archer and Walker were never charged with any wrongdoing.”

Yep. Wingnut welfare is alive and kicking in Wisconsin. Protecting ‘the Guv’ sure seems to pay well.

374 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 11:05:57am

And here I thought Dubya was a RINO. Who knew?

375 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 11:07:25am

re: #353 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Are you trying to say a significant percentage of the refugees are mainly here because of cartel violence?

No, I’m trying to say exactly what I said. In #351.

376 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2014 11:07:26am

re: #361 jaunte

Don’t want the ruling class to do without their servants.

And, I hate to say this, but I suspect many of those “good Xtians” would adopt/foster these children for just that purpose, rationalizing it all in the name of “providing a better life than they had before”.

377 FemNaziBitch  Jul 5, 2014 11:10:26am

re: #350 thedopefishlives

HERETIC.

This conversation is over.

I’D LOVE to incorporate heretic into my nic.

Femhereticsuccubinazibitch?

378 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2014 11:10:50am
379 FemNaziBitch  Jul 5, 2014 11:11:18am

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

And, I hate to say this, but I suspect many of those “good Xtians” would adopt/foster these children for just that purpose, rationalizing it all in the name of “providing a better life than they had before”.

Yes, you are correct.

We see it with Foster parents now. Selling the kids in the Rape for Profit industry.

380 ObserverArt  Jul 5, 2014 11:12:04am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Hello, all. I’m just dropping by for a quick status update, since I know I haven’t been around much. I’m sorry about that, but I’m currently fighting a leg infection and inflammation that is very painful unless I keep the effected leg elevated, which I cannot do and sit at my PC. I’ve been to the doctor and I’m taking the antibiotics she prescribed, so I should be fine in time. Once the pain is lessened, I’ll return fully. But right now its only a little at a time.

I asked about you midweek. I figured something was up. Take care, keep that leg up while antibiotics do their thing.

You’ll be good as used in no time!

: )

381 FemNaziBitch  Jul 5, 2014 11:12:14am

Hereticalmarriedslut?

382 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 5, 2014 11:12:54am

re: #277 wrenchwench

‘Has to” in a political sense only. It is a complete red herring. It is being used to delay and deny immigration reform.

We don’t have to hermetically seal the borders, but we cannot begin to manage immigrant populations until we have better control over the borders than we have now.

383 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2014 11:13:01am

More sciencey stuff from Ken Ham, who never disappoints…

384 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2014 11:14:32am

re: #373 alpuz

Just gonna drop this here:

Yep. Wingnut welfare is alive and kicking in Wisconsin. Protecting ‘the Guv’ sure seems to pay well.

And corporate bigiwgs wonder why employees hate them so much.

385 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 11:15:02am

re: #374 Lidane

President George W. Bush led our nation through some of the most challenging moments of our nation’s history — and we miss him and his leadership. In honor of President George W. Bush’s birthday, we’re offering a blue, special-edition* “I Miss W.” t-shirt.

gop.com

*We’ll only make as many as we can sell

386 FemNaziBitch  Jul 5, 2014 11:15:11am

I’m still amazed (although I shouldn’t be) that anyone can look at an individual or group of people and think “I can I exploit this.”

And we have 60k (?) kids in detention centers.

How we treat those children will determine much of our future.

387 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 11:15:27am

re: #382 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We don’t have to hermetically seal the borders, but we cannot begin to manage immigrant populations until we have better control over the borders than we have now.

I disagree.

388 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2014 11:15:57am

re: #382 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We don’t have to hermetically seal the borders, but we cannot begin to manage immigrant populations until we have better control over the borders than we have now.

Good luck trying to gain “functional control” of a nearly 2000 mile border, a vast majority of which is made up of sparsely populated mountains and desert.

389 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 5, 2014 11:16:21am

re: #368 Rightwingconspirator

Yeah, the thing about more than casual use of the mirrorless is what about the glare on that preview screen? Rangefinder?

I go with a EVF on mine (a cheaper VF3). The Olympus VF4 is as good as looking through the lens to my eyes. The next body I get will be with one built in (Panasonic G5 or Olympus E-M5 or the like). I broke, smashed really, my back view screen the other day when it fell off the table and I didn’t notice for several days - shows how little I used it ;)

There are some neat covers with loupes built in to act as a pretend ground glass if you want to act like it’s an LF camera :LOL: amazon.com

390 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 5, 2014 11:16:50am

re: #301 CuriousLurker

I think it was John Oliver who did it right:If 97% of the scientific community supports a viewpoint, then send out 97 scientists to debate 3 skeptics. Letting them debate one-on-one gives them way too much credibility.

391 FemNaziBitch  Jul 5, 2014 11:17:17am

re: #382 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We don’t have to hermetically seal the borders, but we cannot begin to manage immigrant populations until we have better control over the borders than we have now.

Controlling the border is an exercise in futility.

FIND ANOTHER WAY.

392 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 5, 2014 11:17:45am

re: #339 FemNaziBitch

One thing I’ve noticed about this situation is that if Bush were still in office, he would be advocating for these children and more Conservatives would support the concept.

But since it’s Obama, they don’t.

Immigration reform was one of the few things I could support Bush on, but his own party shut him down.

393 FemNaziBitch  Jul 5, 2014 11:18:05am

Did the Great Wall do China any good?

394 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 11:18:20am

re: #372 wrenchwench

OK, I overstated it. You did say

You said those calls for more border security have legitimacy. I say they don’t. I also say that we need to reform our immigration system regardless of what’s happening south of us.

Would you say we have border security right or it should be reduced?

I have no disagreement with the need for immigration policy reform.

395 FemNaziBitch  Jul 5, 2014 11:19:07am

bbl

396 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 5, 2014 11:19:51am

re: #388 Eclectic Cyborg

Good luck trying to gain “functional control” of a nearly 2000 mile border, a vast majority of which is made up of sparsely populated mountains and desert.

I agree, and it won’t be cheap or simple. But the current system of human, weapons and drug trafficking has to be brought under better control before any other immigration reform measures are going to be effective.

397 ObserverArt  Jul 5, 2014 11:21:17am

re: #388 Eclectic Cyborg

Good luck trying to gain “functional control” of a nearly 2000 mile border, a vast majority of which is made up of sparsely populated mountains and desert.

Well if the Chinese could do, it we can. Build the Great Wall of Get Out of American the whole distance and up and over the mountains.

///

398 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 5, 2014 11:22:09am

re: #382 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We don’t have to hermetically seal the borders, but we cannot begin to manage immigrant populations until we have better control over the borders than we have now.

We’re never going to have control of our ‘borders’ to that extent, though. Remember that a huge number of immigrants are people overstaying their visas, and that the border is gigantic.

399 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 11:22:45am

re: #394 Rightwingconspirator

BTW just loved have a Border patrol dog check my truck at one of several checkpoints along highway 8 just to get to from state to state without crossing any national borders at all.
///

400 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2014 11:24:22am

re: #397 ObserverArt

Well if the Chinese could do, it we can. Build the Great Wall of Get Out of American the whole distance and up and over the mountains.

///

don’t forget our shorelines!!!11!!!!!!!!!

401 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 11:24:32am

re: #394 Rightwingconspirator

Would you say we have border security right or it should be reduced?

I have no disagreement with the need for immigration policy reform.

We don’t have it right. We increased the number of agents too quickly, and there are some out there sorely in need of more training. We need cell phone service across the whole border area. You would not believe how primitive communications are in the remote areas. We need working technical support for the agents. We don’t need more agents.

But my main point is anything we need on the border is COMPLETELY UNRELATED to our need for immigration reform.

COMPLETELY UNRELATED.

402 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 11:25:36am

re: #396 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I agree, and it won’t be cheap or simple. But the current system of human, weapons and drug trafficking has to be in better control before any other immigration reform measures are going to be effective.

Why? Really, I’d like to see you explain why we cannot proceed to needed immigration reform now.

403 ObserverArt  Jul 5, 2014 11:25:58am

re: #400 Backwoods_Sleuth

don’t forget our shorelines!!!11!!!!!!!!!

Ramp up the Coast Guard!!!! Isn’t that what we pay ‘all’ those taxes for????!!!!!

/

404 Kid A  Jul 5, 2014 11:26:11am

Wanted to share this post by one of my favorite photographers, Scott Strazzante of the Chicago Tribune (he’s leaving there for a position at the San Francisco Chronicle). This post is true digital gold.
newsblogs.chicagotribune.com

405 EPR-radar  Jul 5, 2014 11:26:50am

re: #396 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I agree, and it won’t be cheap or simple. But the current system of human, weapons and drug trafficking has to be in better control before any other immigration reform measures are going to be effective.

Why on earth wouldn’t employer sanctions with real teeth and consistent enforcement do the job?

406 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 11:27:12am

re: #399 Rightwingconspirator

BTW just loved have a Border patrol dog check my truck at one of several checkpoints along highway 8 just to get to from state to state without crossing any national borders at all.
///

You wanted more border security, right?

407 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 11:30:13am

re: #401 wrenchwench

Well I’d just not not demand a president or his cabinet completely ignore immigrant source nation conditions, border conditions or the actual numbers of undocumented people when shaping immigration policy. So yeah I do disagree.

408 b_sharp  Jul 5, 2014 11:30:14am

re: #390 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I think it was John Oliver who did it right:If 97% of the scientific community supports a viewpoint, then send out 97 scientists to debate 3 skeptics. Letting them debate one-on-one gives them way too much credibility.

That’s exactly what happens when papers are published which is the only place it really matters. The idea science can and should be debated publicly is a rhetorical trick used by those on the losing end. Places like Fox News have convinced the ignorant that truth is a matter of opinion where the best at arguing their points, in modern terms the best at the Gish gallop, are the anointed authorities of truth.

409 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 11:32:51am

As long as multimillionaire Texas homebuilders are getting rich from the labor of undocumented subcontractors, and the upper middle class is enjoying low-priced house cleaning and landscaping services, the border is not going to be sealed or controlled in any significant way.

410 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 5, 2014 11:34:29am

re: #402 wrenchwench

We can and should, recognizing that it will initially be very costly.

411 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 11:35:45am

re: #406 wrenchwench

Right. included that so you might see i have some rounded perspective via actual travel in the region. I had no problem with the usual kind of checkpoint like i get between San Diego and home. The 8 felt like a whole other world. Of course since I did not cross a border I had this silly idea that made a difference. When badly done more security adds tensions and violates expectations about civil protections and sometimes the law itself.

When done well it at the least does not increase tensions and can reduce them. Live fire incidents certainly exacerbate tensions. As do murders on shared lakes and that kind of thing.

412 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 11:37:13am

I have no love for the CIA which has a history of secrecy, mis-management, and over-reach. But I think it’s rather odd that someone who no longer is working there because of his own actions, was never charged, and is drawing his pension, is talking at this particular point in time.

Again, this is where GG tries to equate a sad sack contractor with a real professional intelligence agent. And this guy wasn’t prosecuted even after an investigation and is now making six figures as a “consultant”, more than he made at the CIA. How many secrets is he giving up that no one knows about now? He sounds pretty much like a loose cannon, not a real team player, along with misplaced loyalty, which are top priorities for anyone in that line of business.

The thing about stories like this is that the CIA itself is not going to talk about it, so the only story we really have is Scudder’s, and to me, it sounds a bit hinky.

“The CIA declined to comment on Scudder’s case, citing privacy restrictions and litigation related to his FOIA request. CIA personnel files obtained by The Washington Post accuse Scudder of having classified materials on his home computer and “a history of difficulty in protecting classified information.”

413 gwangung  Jul 5, 2014 11:37:57am

re: #396 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I agree, and it won’t be cheap or simple.

It’s not even possible.

414 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 11:38:04am

re: #407 Rightwingconspirator

Well I’d just not not demand a president or his cabinet completely ignore immigrant source nation conditions, border conditions or the actual numbers of undocumented people when shaping immigration policy. So yeah I do disagree.

Thanks for rewording my arguments to make me sound like a douche.

415 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 11:38:44am

re: #410 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We can and should, recognizing that it will initially be very costly.

What is the money going to be spent on?

416 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 11:38:49am
“We have to stand up for our nation and our Constitution. We are not an open border community,” Spencer said. “(President Barack) Obama is causing chaos. He probably wants chaos to enact marshal law.”

Says dude arrested yesterday in Murrieta.

utsandiego.com

417 alpuz  Jul 5, 2014 11:39:49am

re: #384 Eclectic Cyborg

From the comment section:

Why is that public servants - be they school teachers, professors, police, firemen, or regulators - who have dedicated their lives to public service are called “takers” by the righties and Scott Walker himself, while the same people defend the use of large amounts of tax monies to pay off a political ally and possible co-conspirator?

Walker’s been on the public dole his entire ‘adult’ life after getting the boot from Marquette. Meanwhile, the special needs teacher I’ve known since Jr. High, gets threats for trying to organize a bipartisan group to work through the fog of the divide and conquer strategy that’s been unleashed by team Walker and the WisGoP.

Surreal. Apologies for being OT.

418 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 5, 2014 11:40:34am

re: #407 Rightwingconspirator

Well I’d just not not demand a president or his cabinet completely ignore immigrant source nation conditions, border conditions or the actual numbers of undocumented people when shaping immigration policy. So yeah I do disagree.

Your response didn’t really match up with anything she said.

419 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 11:41:02am

re: #416 Stanley Sea

Says dude arrested yesterday in Murrieta.

utsandiego.com

Marshal.

421 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 11:42:57am

re: #418 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

re: #414 wrenchwench

Not trying to make you sound bad, so jet me apologize for that unintended impression.

I just think you take that unrelated thing too far. It’s all connected when it comes to policy making.

422 alpuz  Jul 5, 2014 11:43:45am

re: #409 jaunte

Yup. Cleaned many of their(Texas Home builders) pools when I was younger.

Let’s just say they live a pretty damn comfortable life.

423 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 11:44:04am

Larry Spencer
@LarryS500

Christian Constitutionalist - Right Wing Extremist - Should be on DHS-Gestapo watch list if I’m worth my salt #CLDC1 #tcot ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ bit.ly

424 b_sharp  Jul 5, 2014 11:44:04am

re: #419 Gus

Marshal.

Yah, you know. Like in marshal arts?

425 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 5, 2014 11:44:25am

re: #421 Rightwingconspirator

You seem to be making the claim that the call for security on the border is related to high numbers of people fleeing cartel violence.

Is this true? It’s really hard to figure out what your’e talking about.

426 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 5, 2014 11:44:36am

Ah such a bachelor meal - BLT & Tator-Tots for lunch. :LOL:

427 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 11:45:46am

re: #422 alpuz

And the added costs of all of that (privately) profitable discount labor are subsidized by the rest of society.

428 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 11:46:14am

re: #423 Gus

Larry Spencer
@LarryS500

Probably not from Murrieta, either. Immagonnafindout. : )

429 piratedan  Jul 5, 2014 11:46:24am

re: #310 Gus

next is the same asshole who equates Rush Limbaugh and Don Imus with Elvis Presley and Lenny Bruce….

430 Dr Lizardo  Jul 5, 2014 11:46:58am

re: #416 Stanley Sea

Says dude arrested yesterday in Murrieta.

utsandiego.com

It’s getting crazier as well. I just paged this:

Militia groups moving to help secure Texas-Mexico border

littlegreenfootballs.com

431 b_sharp  Jul 5, 2014 11:49:03am

re: #430 Dr Lizardo

It’s getting crazier as well. I just paged this:

Militia groups moving to help secure Texas-Mexico border

littlegreenfootballs.com

Time to gas them with NO2 and round them up when they’re laughing hysterically.

432 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 11:50:32am
433 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 11:52:39am

re: #425 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I’m including that reason along with the other reasons. IMHO- Border security has a big impact on those approaching or crossing legally or not. And violence at or near the borders as relates to cartels and smuggling of drugs contraband or people certainly should have bearing on how we approach border security. Whether that violence is local, or really central american violence driving what what we might call refugees.

434 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 11:54:05am
435 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 11:55:17am
436 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 11:57:56am

re: #432 Gus

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He responded.

437 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 11:59:02am

re: #435 Gus

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For pay per view.

He was probably a sweet little pussy with the cops, so they released him.

438 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 12:02:29pm
439 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 12:03:30pm
440 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jul 5, 2014 12:04:42pm

re: #419 Gus

Marshal.

Marshal

441 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 12:04:49pm

Well crap got some bad news from residence management. Gotta take down my hummingbird feeders. ‘No personal items in public view”. That just ruins my afternoon.

442 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2014 12:05:25pm

re: #441 Rightwingconspirator

Well crap got some bad news from residence management. Gotta take down my hummingbird feeders. ‘No personal items in public view”. That just ruins my afternoon.

Oh, now that’s just bogus. *evil glare at landlord*

443 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 12:06:44pm
445 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 5, 2014 12:09:30pm

re: #433 Rightwingconspirator

I’m including that reason along with the other reasons. IMHO- Border security has a big impact on those approaching or crossing legally or not. And violence at or near the borders as relates to cartels and smuggling of drugs contraband or people certainly should have bearing on how we approach border security. Whether that violence is local, or really central american violence driving what what we might call refugees.

Okay. ANd what is the reason that you think these protesters are actually acting off of the real number of immigrants?

446 piratedan  Jul 5, 2014 12:09:49pm

re: #443 Gus

says the treasonous bastard who advocates the killing of POTUS. Just take a number and vote in the next election… that is exactly what all us “libriul traitors” did post W and gee, look at what happened, the Will of the people was enacted.

447 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 12:10:03pm
448 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 12:10:43pm

re: #435 Gus

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The guy is a racist lunatic.

Written by Larry Spencer and Jason Mann

cldc1.blogspot.com

449 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2014 12:10:48pm

re: #447 Gus

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It’s starting to look like this guy might be getting a friendly visit from the local Secret Service soon.

450 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 12:11:10pm

re: #445 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Okay. ANd what is the reason that you think these protesters are actually acting off of the real number of immigrants?

I said that?

451 Dr Lizardo  Jul 5, 2014 12:11:49pm

re: #449 thedopefishlives

It’s starting to look like this guy might be getting a friendly visit from the local Secret Service soon.

Yep, that’s what I’m thinking.

452 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 12:13:27pm

re: #449 thedopefishlives

It’s starting to look like this guy might be getting a friendly visit from the local Secret Service soon.

They can’t keep up.

453 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 12:13:32pm
454 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 5, 2014 12:14:05pm

re: #450 Rightwingconspirator

I said that?

No, but it’s necessary for the conclusion that calls for border security and people fleeing cartel violence are both related.

That’s why wrenchwench was saying they’re not related: There’s no strong relationship between the number of illegal immigrants and the amount of furor against them.

You were saying that they are related.

455 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 12:16:51pm

re: #454 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You were saying that they are related.

Yes in a sum of the parts way. I don’t think the Muritetta protesters are grounded in too much reality or accuracy. What’s really unrelated to me is what the Murietta protesters have to say and what I’d like to see President Obama and Immigration authorities do. Now that is what you call unrelated.

BRB off to P/U a sandwich from a fave shop.

456 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 12:19:07pm
457 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 12:19:10pm

Let’s be clear, Obama should be hung for treason after a trial in accordance with the Law.

`No, no!’ said the Queen. `Sentence first—verdict afterwards.’

`Stuff and nonsense!’ said Alice loudly. `The idea of having the sentence first!’

`Hold your tongue!’ said the Queen, turning purple.

`I won’t!’ said Alice.

`Off with her head!’ the Queen shouted at the top of her voice. Nobody moved.

`Who cares for you?’ said Alice, (she had grown to her full size by this time.) `You’re nothing but a pack of cards!’
cs.cmu.edu

458 Varek Raith  Jul 5, 2014 12:20:20pm

re: #456 Gus

WTF twitter.
Ban this dumbass.

459 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 5, 2014 12:22:21pm

re: #455 Rightwingconspirator

Yes in a sum of the parts way. I don’t think the Muritetta protesters are grounded in too much reality or accuracy. What’s really unrelated to me is what the Murietta protesters have to say and what I’d like to see President Obama and Immigration authorities do. Now that is what you call unrelated.

I don’t know what you mean by a ‘sum of the parts way’. You seem to agree immediately afterwards that the protesters aren’t actually reacting to reality. So you’re contradicting yourself here.

460 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jul 5, 2014 12:22:21pm

re: #441 Rightwingconspirator

Well crap got some bad news from residence management. Gotta take down my hummingbird feeders. ‘No personal items in public view”. That just ruins my afternoon.

I would consider a dildo a “personal item,” not a hummingbird feeder.

461 Teukka  Jul 5, 2014 12:23:16pm

re: #458 Varek Raith

WTF twitter.
Ban this dumbass.

Meh. The longer he carries on, the more likely it is that the long hairy arms of the Secret Service reach out and grab him…

462 Dr Lizardo  Jul 5, 2014 12:23:23pm

re: #458 Varek Raith

WTF twitter.
Ban this dumbass.

Yeah, I don’t get why Twitter allows these this crap to continue. Calling for the death of a US President is against the law, isn’t it?

463 Kid A  Jul 5, 2014 12:24:51pm

re: #443 Gus

465 Teukka  Jul 5, 2014 12:25:13pm

re: #462 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, I don’t get why Twitter allows these this crap to continue. Calling for the death of a US President is against the law, isn’t it?

I’m not a ‘murrican, but IIRC, threatening to kill a sitting prez is an offense, even calling for the murder of him or her.

466 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2014 12:25:38pm

re: #314 Lidane

I’m as much of a Firefly fan as the next Whedon nerd, but Adam Baldwin is an idiot.

I can’t watch Firefly anymore because it’s been ‘adopted’ by anarchists, I mean libertarians.

Here’s the worst example.

Captain Mal fanboy picture

Here’s how I deconstruct it.

You don’t know me, son - Fine. We have established that the person in the picture is a stranger to the person being spoken to. Which is us on this side of the fourth wall.

So let me explain this to you once. Um, okay. We just met and you have to explain something. I’m already uncomfortable with your presence.

If I ever kill you, - Wait! What? We live in a place where interpersonal relationships are such that one of us having to die is of a high enough probability that you have to warn me as the first order of business? Really uncomfortable now.

You’ll be awake, you’ll be facing me, and you’ll be armed. - Now this is just silly. If relationships between myself and another person have deteriorated to the point where one of us has to die I’m not going to do something as stupid as a quick draw contest face to face.

I will cut their throats in their sleep. I will poison them. I will sneak up behind them and stab them in the back. I will booby trap their car. I will put a rifle bullet in their heads from several hundred yards away.

If it comes down to one of us surviving it’s going to be me, and I am not going to play fair.

I can see why the anarchists, I mean libertarians love Firefly so much thanks to this meme. But damn, it’s just a TV show and not meant to feed the anarchists Rambo fantasies.

467 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2014 12:27:43pm

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Hello, all. I’m just dropping by for a quick status update, since I know I haven’t been around much. I’m sorry about that, but I’m currently fighting a leg infection and inflammation that is very painful unless I keep the effected leg elevated, which I cannot do and sit at my PC. I’ve been to the doctor and I’m taking the antibiotics she prescribed, so I should be fine in time. Once the pain is lessened, I’ll return fully. But right now its only a little at a time.

Take care, D_F. Sending healing vibes your way.

468 FemNaziBitch  Jul 5, 2014 12:31:03pm

Every immigrant crossing the border from South America is a Manchurian Candidate sent to infiltrate and sabotage the Grand Ole U S of A and those little bastards are their army.

469 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 5, 2014 12:33:35pm

re: #466 <font><font>Romantic Heretic </font></font>

Why the surprise? It’s Outlaw Josey Wales in SPAAAAACE! Of course the neo-confederates and their lackeys in the libertarian & anarchist movements love the show.

470 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2014 12:36:12pm

re: #424 b_sharp

Yah, you know. Like in marshal arts?

I knew him. Nice guy to have a beer with. /

471 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 12:39:19pm

re: #460 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP

Now that would be hilarious act of protest. Just replace one with the other.

472 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2014 12:40:05pm

re: #453 Gus

Since when do people like Larry give two shits about the law?

473 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 5, 2014 12:40:07pm

re: #469 William Barnett-Lewis

Why the surprise? It’s Outlaw Josey Wales in SPAAAAACE! Of course the neo-confederates and their lackeys in the libertarian & anarchist movements love the show.

Only if you look at it kind of credulously, though. Mal’s life, the life of the other ‘libertarians’ isn’t a good one. Every place they wind up pretty much is an asshole place run by assholes. The Alliance are assholes too, but the true rim planets are shitholes.

474 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2014 12:43:11pm

re: #469 William Barnett-Lewis

Why the surprise? It’s Outlaw Josey Wales in SPAAAAACE! Of course the neo-confederates and their lackeys in the libertarian & anarchist movements love the show.

I liked it too, and was disappointed it was cancelled.

But I really hate that it’s used to fuel the murderous fantasies of the anarchists.

475 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 12:46:54pm

re: #411 Rightwingconspirator

Right. included that so you might see i have some rounded perspective via actual travel in the region. I had no problem with the usual kind of checkpoint like i get between San Diego and home. The 8 felt like a whole other world. Of course since I did not cross a border I had this silly idea that made a difference. When badly done more security adds tensions and violates expectations about civil protections and sometimes the law itself.

When done well it at the least does not increase tensions and can reduce them. Live fire incidents certainly exacerbate tensions. As do murders on shared lakes and that kind of thing.

OK, I started a reply to this but then had a wild pack of customers that needed to be tamed.

Let me just say that I know a lot of people who live near the border in non-urban areas who see the border patrol in their official capacity EVERY DAY.

476 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 12:49:58pm

re: #459 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Sum of the parts-Poverty, opportunities here and violence back home. Sum=desperate immigrants via a number of pressures to move.

477 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 12:53:15pm

re: #472 Romantic Heretic

Since when do people like Larry give two shits about the law?

If Larry gave two shits about anything, there would be no more Larry.

478 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 5, 2014 1:05:17pm

re: #476 Rightwingconspirator

Sum of the parts-Poverty, opportunities here and violence back home. Sum=desperate immigrants via a number of pressures to move.

Okay, but where are you getting this idea that people are responding to the actual numbers of illegal immigrants when they call for border security?

479 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 5, 2014 1:08:23pm

re: #478 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Okay, but where are you getting this idea that people are responding to the actual numbers of illegal immigrants when they call for border security?

In addition, with increased border security, these kids would still wind up in our care.

480 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 5, 2014 3:09:10pm

re: #415 wrenchwench

What is the money going to be spent on?

Too bad there is not the support or political will to introduce a national ID card for all citizens for voting and social services (and legal residents for social services). Then employers and poll workers could easily check and be held accountable.

481 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 3:32:25pm

re: #480 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Too bad there is not the support or political will to introduce a national ID card for all citizens for voting and social services (and legal residents for social services). Then employers and poll workers could easily check and be held accountable.

Why is it that people who insist we need more something on the border can never say what that something is?


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