Tucson Helps Immigrants in Need, May Ask Obama to Curb Deportations

“The humanitarian crisis … is a local issue. It is a city issue.”
Tucson City Councilwoman Regina Romero on the right, Dolores Huerta on the left, and an unidentified man in the middle in this photo posted to Twitter by Ms. Romero.

Contrast with a certain Southern California town:

Stop deporting kids and tearing apart families.

That’s the message Tucson’s City Council could send to the federal government next week.

City Councilwoman Regina Romero is seeking a memorial imploring President Obama to suspend deportations of noncriminal immigrants.

She also wants the president to loosen the federal purse strings to help local governments deal with the influx of unaccompanied kids pouring into the country illegally.

With unaccompanied minor children overwhelming local facilities and resources in Nogales, and with immigrants being dropped off at the bus station in Tucson, Romero said the city needs to take a stand.

“All of these things are ever-present in our community,” Romero said. “But now more than ever we’re seeing the results of a broken immigration system and how it’s affecting the local community.”

[…]

Romero dismissed critics who say the council shouldn’t interject itself into a federal matter.

“The humanitarian crisis happening in Nogales, the people being dropped off at the bus station, and families being torn apart every day by our broken immigration policy — is a local issue. It is a city issue,” she said.

[…]

Read the rest here: City May Ask Obama to Curb Deportations

The Tucson City Council has been scrambling to meet the needs of these immigrants.

Undocumented women and children, who now spend up to three days stuck in Tucson waiting for a bus to take them someplace where they can await deportation hearings, may soon have a safer and more comfortable option.

The city is coordinating with nonprofit organizations, such as Catholic Community Services and the Jewish Federation of Southern Arizona, to set up an intake center near the downtown Tucson Greyhound Depot to provide the women and children with food, clothes and temporary housing as they transition through Tucson.

“Greyhound management has been patient as we worked to put these pieces together, but we can’t continue to let people sit at the bus station,” said Councilman Steve Kozachik, who arranged a meeting among nonprofits, representatives from the Ward 1 City Council Office and the Mayor’s Office to discuss a plan.

[…]

(Mr. Kozachik is an ex-Republican who became a Democrat over the issue of gun control.)

Tucson was visited by the First Lady of Guatemala, who came to assess the situation and thank the local people for their efforts.

Guatemala’s first lady, Rosa Leal de Pérez visited Tucson’s Greyhound bus station Wednesday evening to thank volunteers and city officials for reaching out to the Guatemalan women and children who are dropped off daily by immigration officials before continuing their journey.

It was part of Pérez’s trip to Southern Arizona this week to assess the situation of Guatemalans, many of them women and young children.

“I come as a woman, as a mother and as a grandmother,” she said outside the bus station. “I have grandchildren who are the ages of the children making the journey and it breaks my heart.”

[…]

Sebastian Quinac, of the Guatemalan Consulate, explains to Maria Gomez, 19, from Guatemala, how to read her bus ticket to Mississippi at the Greyhound Bus Station located at 471 West Congress Street. Gomez immigrated from Guatemala and was picked up in the Tucson Sector by Border Patrol. Gomez’s husband lives in Mississippi. Photo taken: Tuesday July 01, 2014. Photo by: Mamta Popat / Arizona Daily Star

I hope this lifts the spirits of folks who were horrified at the behavior of some hard-hearted people in Murrieta. There are good people all over, and compassionate choices available even in difficult times.

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429 comments

1 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 3:10:01pm

Awesome. We need more of these good people to step up and counter the racists in Murrieta.

2 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2014 4:09:09pm

If I could afford to, I would pack up right now and go help them out.

3 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 4:14:20pm

That’s the Tucson I came to know and love over the years. Fantastic.

4 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 4:47:19pm

Someone finally managed to find a Democratic mayor who opposes any more refugees coming to his city.
And balance is restored to the Universe.

5 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 4:47:33pm

Promoted! Congrats WW. Great page.

6 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2014 4:48:05pm

re: #4 jaunte

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Someone finally managed to find a Democratic mayor who opposes any more refugees coming to his city.
And balance is restored to the Universe.

Appeased, the Magical Balance Fairy slinks back into her hole, to await the next terrible injustice on the part of Republicans and Teabaggers everywhere.

7 Decatur Deb  Jul 5, 2014 4:54:52pm

WW—got some info on the ages, guardianship, and Fed plan for the people once ‘processed’? Are they just being dropped on a corner?

8 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 4:57:07pm

Oh by the way? Here’s the shark that bit a swimmer in Manhattan Beach today:

Youtube Video

9 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 5:00:07pm
10 dell*nix  Jul 5, 2014 5:00:33pm

A bit OT. Imelda May — Psycho Youtube Video Makes me think of the current GOP.

11 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 5:01:23pm

Thanks for the promo, Charles. Thanks for putting the spotlight on this here and on Twitter.

12 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 5:02:08pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Oh by the way? Here’s the shark that bit a swimmer in Manhattan Beach today:

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Video

A baby.

gah the fear of sharks.

13 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 5:06:46pm

The decline in births among girls 15 to 19 years old served by the program accounted for three-quarters of the overall decline in the Colorado teen birth rate, the state said in a news release.

That rate has fallen from 37 births per 1,000 girls in 2009 to 22 in 2013, officials said.

The teen abortion rate dropped 35 percent from 2009 to 2012 in those counties where the initiative is in place, Hickenlooper said.

14 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 5, 2014 5:10:12pm

re: #13 jaunte

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Yea, but that requires living in a fact based world, and the RWNJs aren’t going to accept this. After all, it doesn’t meet their pre-conceived notions on how the world should operate.

RBS

15 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 5:11:35pm

re: #14 RealityBasedSteve

We have to see sin punished.

16 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 5:12:09pm

re: #7 Decatur Deb

WW—got some info on the ages, guardianship, and Fed plan for the people once ‘processed’? Are they just being dropped on a corner?

I don’t have details. As I understand it, all those released by ICE are awaiting hearings. If they have family to stay with, they’re being sent there to wait. If they don’t, they’re being dispersed to towns that can house them. Presumably, they will be deported after their hearings unless they qualify for asylum.

17 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 5:15:11pm

re: #11 wrenchwench

Thanks for the promo, Charles. Thanks for putting the spotlight on this here and on Twitter.

Thank you for posting it! I was getting pretty depressed with that Murrieta story, and the way even the people I think of as sensible conservatives on Twitter were lining up to support those racist pieces of shit. This helped lift my spirits a bit.

18 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2014 5:17:37pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Thank you for posting it! I was getting pretty depressed with that Murrieta story, and the way even the people I think of as sensible conservatives on Twitter were lining up to support those racist pieces of shit. This helped lift my spirits a bit.

At some point in time, Charles, even the “sensible” conservatives show their true colors. The conservative movement in general just supports too many vile things for there to be a real conservative that doesn’t believe in any of them.

19 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 5:20:17pm
20 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 5:21:57pm
21 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 5:24:12pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

“…Research from Seattle suggests that it takes a typical household about 45 minutes per week to recycle its rubbish. In the US that works out at ninety million hours expended every week dividing green glass from brown glass from cardboard from aluminum from paper from plastic, etc. In the UK, that’s about 18.2 million man-hours per week which we’re never going to get back.”

Yes, it takes a Delingpole forever to figure out how to put the green bottle in the green bottle bin and the brown bottle in the brown. Etc.

22 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 5, 2014 5:24:15pm

Imagine all we could be doing for these immigrants… and ourselves, if we didn’t waste $2T on Iraq.

23 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 5:25:29pm
24 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 5, 2014 5:27:08pm

re: #13 jaunte

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Lies. It’s teh pots makin’ everywan sterrul!!

25 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 5:27:59pm
26 bubba zanetti  Jul 5, 2014 5:28:40pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

A wingnut relative once tried to convince me recycling was bad because it was causing the landfills to have too high a ratio of biodegradables and that was causing stability and outgassing problems….

I try to avoid that relative.

27 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 5:31:26pm

12 Years a Recycler

28 Ryan King  Jul 5, 2014 5:32:35pm

Of all the pressing issues we have as a society I don’t think illegal immigration is within the top 5.

It’s more pitchfork politics than anything.

29 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 5:33:17pm

Thanks, WW, this is an island of sanity compared to those racist lunatics we hear more about.

Yes, there are still plenty of good people in the US—it’s up to us to counter what a small minority is doing to our reputation. Damn them.

30 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 5:34:18pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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Same mindset as those aholes fixing their trucks to spout soot. Not good for me? Bad for them. WHEEE

31 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 5:38:06pm

Suddenly there’s a cricket chirping in my office.

Mmmm, cricket…

32 sagehen  Jul 5, 2014 5:38:20pm

re: #21 jaunte

Yes, it takes a Delingpole forever to figure out how to put the green bottle in the green bottle bin and the brown bottle in the brown. Etc.

Research from Seattle suggests that it takes a typical household about 45 minutes per week

A “typical household” is between 3 and 4 people, right? So let’s go with 3. We’re talking an average of 2 minutes a day. Each. Oh, the tyranny.

33 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 5:41:25pm

If it weren’t for the gloss of environmental faux-righteousness covering these eco-fascistic measures, we’d recognise them for what they were: state-endorsed slavery.

34 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2014 5:42:31pm

re: #33 Gus

If it weren’t for the gloss of environmental faux-righteousness covering these eco-fascistic measures, we’d recognise them for what they were: >state-endorsed slavery.

Stop being so stuck on stupid.

35 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 5:43:29pm

Top comment.

By each and every subtle means of subjugation the people are ‘taught’ how to behave and to accept instructions from their ‘masters’ without so much as a whimper.

With the forthcoming 800th anniversary of Magna Carta it is time the people established a declaration of independence - independence from control, slavery and petty officialdom.

Magna Carta made us the masters of our own destiny, not slaves to the establishment.

It’s time the truth of our (the peoples) power was more widely advertised.

36 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2014 5:43:47pm

Today is just overfilled with awful hateful news. The poor Palestinian kid burned to death according to autopsy. The destruction of shrines. Our own national debate over immigration that brought the haters to Murrietta.

Really grateful for this positive hopeful Page then promoted topic.

37 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 5:44:56pm

re: #27 Gus

12 Years a Recycler

40 yrs a recycler, at least as much as I could at a given time. : ) I paid attention to the first Earth Day and tried to teach, as well as follow, it. Not always successful, and it’s exceedingly difficult in this county, after having lived in Charlotte which was pretty progressive about recycling for its time. I try to make up for it in other ways to compensate.

Meanwhile, consider this:

If you have a recycling program, please use it.

38 Ryan King  Jul 5, 2014 5:47:57pm

We’re being enslaved by the idiocy of Delingpole. Him and his ilk are the real fascists.

39 Skip Intro  Jul 5, 2014 5:52:22pm

re: #36 Rightwingconspirator

Today is just overfilled with awful hateful news. The poor Palestinian kid burned to death according to autopsy. The destruction of shrines. Our own national debate over immigration that brought the haters to Murrietta.

Really grateful for this positive hopeful Page then promoted topic.

Sometimes you just have to step away and not read all of this lunatic crap for a while. I’ve been trying to do that for the last two weeks, because it was really starting to get to me, and I know that it will just keep getting worse.

Dwelling on all of the crazy happening in the world every single day will make you seriously depressed, at the very least.

40 wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2014 5:56:38pm

Later, lizards.

41 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2014 5:57:00pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

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Later, lizards.

I THOUGHT I HAD THAT ONE REMOVED FROM THE INTERWEBS!

42 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 6:00:04pm
43 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 5, 2014 6:03:34pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson
Heh. The bottom 3 strings are wound backwards.

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Tell us the truth Charles, did you ever do anything like that, distracted while you’re doing something you’ve done hundreds of time before?

RBS

44 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 6:09:10pm

re: #43 RealityBasedSteve

Heh. The bottom 3 strings are wound backwards.

Tell us the truth Charles, did you ever do anything like that, distracted while you’re doing something you’ve done hundreds of time before?

RBS

Nope. Never did that. But one of the guitar roadies with Al Jarreau once strung my entire guitar upside down, and I only found out when we got onstage. That was kinda fun!

45 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 6:14:19pm
46 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 6:14:47pm

Hmm. With some fun facts.

47 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 6:17:26pm

When I discovered my guitar was strung backwards, I actually flipped it over and tried to play left-handed. For a few seconds, before I realized I’d get fired if I continued.

48 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 6:18:26pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

When I discovered my guitar was strung backwards, I actually flipped it over and tried to play left-handed. For a few seconds, before I realized I’d get fired if I continued.

What happened to the roadie?

49 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 6:19:02pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

When I discovered my guitar was strung backwards, I actually flipped it over and tried to play left-handed. For a few seconds, before I realized I’d get fired if I continued.

Did you have a back-up guitar? : )

50 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 5, 2014 6:21:16pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

Nope. Never did that. But one of the guitar roadies with Al Jarreau once strung my entire guitar upside down, and I only found out when we got onstage. That was kinda fun!

ROFL…. I imagine that took just a second or two to process before the WTF???? kicked in.

RBS

51 Apeman  Jul 5, 2014 6:21:30pm

Living in Japan and seeing ‘Mericans complain about recycling procedures is “cute.” And the “rolling coal” thing? It’s no wonder that I’m reduced to saying, “But we’re not all like that” when talking to other folks around the world.

Also, too; being an immigrant here, knowing that feeling of coming to a new land, one where you’ve placed your hopes and dreams, I cannot help but ache for those kids on those buses. While there’s racism everywhere, it’s a particular pain when you’re faced with it in your newly adopted homeland.

52 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 6:24:50pm

re: #49 Justanotherhuman

Did you have a back-up guitar? : )

Always.

53 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 6:26:57pm

re: #48 Lidane

Nothing - I had a little talk with him during a break, but these guys worked harder than anyone and I understood how it could happen.

54 Decatur Deb  Jul 5, 2014 6:28:42pm

re: #16 wrenchwench

I don’t have details. As I understand it, all those released by ICE are awaiting hearings. If they have family to stay with, they’re being sent there to wait. If they don’t, they’re being dispersed to towns that can house them. Presumably, they will be deported after their hearings unless they qualify for asylum.

“Towns that can house them” sounds kind of jacked up. Needs a bit more of a plan showing, less ad hoc.

55 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 6:31:12pm

Here we go again, folks.

56 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2014 6:31:33pm

re: #37 Justanotherhuman

40 yrs a recycler, at least as much as I could at a given time. : ) I paid attention to the first Earth Day and tried to teach, as well as follow, it. Not always successful, and it’s exceedingly difficult in this county, after having lived in Charlotte which was pretty progressive about recycling for its time. I try to make up for it in other ways to compensate.

Meanwhile, consider this:

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If you have a recycling program, please use it.

That’s one reason growing economies in Southeast Asia have a littering problem. Before paper packaging most things you carried around were wrapped in leaves or something similar. Disposed of once you didn’t need it by simply tossing it aside then and there.

So there was no cultural habit to properly dispose of packaging. Enter stuff that does not biodegrade easily and you get an instant issue that it will take a multi-year effort to even start to overcome.

57 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 6:32:52pm

Retweeted by Ken Dilanian:

58 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 6:33:59pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Retweeted by Ken Dilanian:

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Obama!!11ty

59 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 6:36:47pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Nothing - I had a little talk with him during a break, but these guys worked harder than anyone and I understood how it could happen.

Oh cool. I was worried they’d gotten fired for what seemed like an honest mistake. I could see how it could happen during the stress of a tour.

60 Decatur Deb  Jul 5, 2014 6:36:50pm

re: #21 jaunte

Yes, it takes a Delingpole forever to figure out how to put the green bottle in the green bottle bin and the brown bottle in the brown. Etc.

Even our small Alabama town has a free yardside recycling service with hydraulic-lift bins. We use a mixed (single) stream contractor and are asked to avoid little more than glass, styrofoam, and foodwaste. Landfill costs were starting to eat our budget.

61 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 6:37:25pm
62 sagehen  Jul 5, 2014 6:45:42pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Nothing - I had a little talk with him during a break, but these guys worked harder than anyone and I understood how it could happen.

You didn’t even make him pay for all your beer for a week? You’re kinder than most.

63 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 6:48:02pm
64 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 6:49:15pm
65 bubba zanetti  Jul 5, 2014 6:53:27pm

Save gas? SLAVERY!

66 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 6:53:33pm
67 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 6:53:51pm

Oh, for crying out loud. This is sheer paranoia.

“In Snowden’s view, the PRISM and Upstream programs have “crossed the line of proportionality.”

“Even if one could conceivably justify the initial, inadvertent interception of baby pictures and love letters of innocent bystanders,” he added, “their continued storage in government databases is both troubling and dangerous. Who knows how that information will be used in the future?”

washingtonpost.com

Does anyone really think that the govt has enough employees to go back to some photo of someone or a personal letter or email and use it in some fashion to do what? Embarrass someone? Blackmail them? Use it against them for what purpose? For crying out loud.

68 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 6:54:27pm

re: #66 Gus

Obama thinks our country should lead from behind

Reince can’t even explain what that means.

69 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 6:54:36pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

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HOW DARE YOU!

70 thedopefishlives  Jul 5, 2014 6:58:07pm

re: #69 Gus

HOW DARE YOU!

GODDAMN IT, PEOPLE, WE TOLD YOU TO FREAK OUT, NOW FREAK THE FUCK OUT!

71 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 7:00:11pm

re: #66 Gus

72 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 7:04:07pm

Oh noz! I’m one of them!

73 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 7:05:43pm

74 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 7:06:57pm

re: #73 Gus

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Bottom line, they have NOTHING.

75 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2014 7:09:41pm

re: #74 Stanley Sea

Bottom line, they have NOTHING.

I’ll buy a LGF “I miss being relevant” shirt first. One with the chameleon on it.

76 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 7:10:50pm

That last example Gellman gives of the Muslim couple from Australia who had an affair before he went to Afghanistan to try to join the Taliban?

Why wouldn’t they have been kept under surveillance? It certainly could have turned out far differently than it did. And even after he left to pursue his own ambition, this couple kept in contact with each other.

“On May 30, 2012, without a word to her, he boarded a plane to begin a journey to Kandahar. He left word that he would not see her again.

“If that had been the end of it, there would not be more than 800 pages of anguished correspondence between them in the archives of the NSA and its counterpart, the Australian Signals Directorate.

“He had made himself a target. She was the collateral damage, placed under a microscope as she tried to adjust to the loss.

“Three weeks after he landed in Kandahar, she found him on Facebook.

“Im putting all my pride aside just to say that i will miss you dearly and your the only person that i really allowed myself to get close to after losing my ex husband, my dad and my brother.. Im glad it was so easy for you to move on and put what we had aside and for me well Im just soo happy i met you. You will always remain in my heart. I know you left for a purpose it hurts like hell sometimes not because Im needy but because i wish i could have been with you.”

When it comes to terrorism and the routes people are pursuing to accomplish their own personal goals in it, romantic notions should never be considered as an excuse not to follow up. She may have been innocent of any wrong-doing but might not have remained so had she joined him.

Gellman felt no compunction in publishing what he thinks the NSA should not have done.

77 bubba zanetti  Jul 5, 2014 7:11:59pm

re: #73 Gus

Special request - shoop in Wu Tang Clan “W” and woodblock of Ol’ Dirty Bastard.

78 Lidane  Jul 5, 2014 7:12:18pm
79 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 7:13:02pm

re: #76 Justanotherhuman

That last example Gellman gives of the Muslim couple from Australia who had an affair before he went to Afghanistan to try to join the Taliban?

Why wouldn’t they have been kept under surveillance? It certainly could have turned out far differently than it did. And even after he left to pursue his own ambition, this couple kept in contact with each other.

“On May 30, 2012, without a word to her, he boarded a plane to begin a journey to Kandahar. He left word that he would not see her again.

“If that had been the end of it, there would not be more than 800 pages of anguished correspondence between them in the archives of the NSA and its counterpart, the Australian Signals Directorate.

“He had made himself a target. She was the collateral damage, placed under a microscope as she tried to adjust to the loss.

“Three weeks after he landed in Kandahar, she found him on Facebook.
When it comes to terrorism and the routes people are pursuing to accomplish their own personal goals in it, romantic notions should never be considered as an excuse not to follow up. She may have been innocent of any wrong-doing but might not have remained so had she joined him.

“Im putting all my pride aside just to say that i will miss you dearly and your the only person that i really allowed myself to get close to after losing my ex husband, my dad and my brother.. Im glad it was so easy for you to move on and put what we had aside and for me well Im just soo happy i met you. You will always remain in my heart. I know you left for a purpose it hurts like hell sometimes not because Im needy but because i wish i could have been with you.”

Gellman felt no compunction in publishing what he thinks the NSA should not have done.

Collateral damage!

80 Teukka  Jul 5, 2014 7:14:32pm

Reposted here to remind you that some people simply can’t grasp just how horrible these weapons are, kind of the same way that people can’t grasp that something the size of a grapefruit (the size of a implosion weapon core) will kill and destroy practically everything within a mile radius, and render most things within a three or four mile radius useless.

Hiroshima had something like 15 working hospitals before the attack. Only 3 were (somewhat) operational after that fateful morning. And I haven’t even started on Acute Radiation Syndrome yet (don’t worry, I won’t gross you out with that, you have to click).

It sickens me when wingnuts go HURR! DURR! Turn’em into a day-glo parking lot HURR! DURR!

It sickens me when dudebros go HERP! Mah preciousssss rightsssss are more important! DERP!

It only takes one slip-up of an intelligence agency for a terrorist to slip one in and kill at least 50,000 people (remember, modern ones are 10 to 100 times more potent than the two used in anger in Japan). And when that happens, these same people will be begging government to take their rights and freedoms as long as they get who did it.

81 Kragar  Jul 5, 2014 7:17:16pm
82 The War TARDIS  Jul 5, 2014 7:18:36pm

re: #80 Teukka

Especially with the Fanatic ISIS state having access to quite a bit of money right now. I would not want to be the one betting on how secure Pakistani nukes are now, or any from the former USSR. Especially with the road Russia is going down.

83 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 7:19:54pm

re: #79 Gus

Collateral damage!

The woman, who actually works for the Australian govt, doesn’t understand why the NSA is keeping the information? Perhaps because the Australian govt wants them to do so?

The US and Australia work very closely in security and intelligence matters, in fact, the Australian Signals Directorate maintains a close partnership with the NSA.

84 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 7:23:14pm
85 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 7:24:11pm
86 Teukka  Jul 5, 2014 7:24:33pm

re: #82 The War TARDIS

Especially with the Fanatic ISIS state having access to quite a bit of money right now. I would not want to be the one betting on how secure Pakistani nukes are now, or any from the former USSR. Especially with the road Russia is going down.

Yeah. And ISIS seem to be so rabid that they might actually go ahead and use any nuke(s) they get their hands on. The good news will be that if they do, they’re as good as dead. The bad news is that the world will never be the same again, if it makes it out of the initial confusion after the blast.

I’m not afraid of the man who wants 10 nuclear weapons, Colonel. I’m terrified of the man who only wants one.

— Julia Kelly in The Peacemaker (1997)

87 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 5, 2014 7:26:24pm

re: #80 Teukka

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Reposted here to remind you that some people simply can’t grasp just how horrible these weapons are, kind of the same way that people can’t grasp that something the size of a grapefruit (the size of a implosion weapon core) will kill and destroy practically everything within a mile radius, and render most things within a three or four mile radius useless.

Hiroshima had something like 15 working hospitals before the attack. Only 3 were (somewhat) operational after that fateful morning. And I haven’t even started on Acute Radiation Syndrome yet (don’t worry, I won’t gross you out with that, you have to click).

It sickens me when wingnuts go HURR! DURR! Turn’em into a day-glo parking lot HURR! DURR!

It sickens me when dudebros go HERP! Mah preciousssss rightsssss are more important! DERP!

It only takes one slip-up of an intelligence agency for a terrorist to slip one in and kill at least 50,000 people (remember, modern ones are 10 to 100 times more potent than the two used in anger in Japan). And when that happens, these same people will be begging government to take their rights and freedoms as long as they get who did it.

And even if it weren’t a true atomic bomb, the possibility of someone creating a large explosive device (i.e. Truck Bomb), heavily salted with radioactive but non-fissile material could do damage far beyond the mere explosive radius.

Imagine a radiation enhanced going off on Wall Street, or some other key area. The lingering radiation, and the natural human fear of radiation could almost shut down major sectors of the economy. That area would probably become a waste-land, since nobody want to go there, regardless of what the real dangers would be.

RBS

88 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 7:26:48pm
89 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 7:28:37pm
90 Teukka  Jul 5, 2014 7:30:09pm

re: #87 RealityBasedSteve

And even if it weren’t a true atomic bomb, the possibility of someone creating a large explosive device (i.e. Truck Bomb), heavily salted with radioactive but non-fissile material could do damage far beyond the mere explosive radius.

Imagine a radiation enhanced going off on Wall Street, or some other key area. The lingering radiation, and the natural human fear of radiation could almost shut down major sectors of the economy. That area would probably become a waste-land, since nobody want to go there, regardless of what the real dangers would be.

Ye olde dirty bomb scenario. Well, people might not want to go there because it is a PITA to clean up a site after such an attack, not to mention very difficult if the terrorists use a highly active source like Cobalt or Iridium. It might be cheaper to just abandon the area.

91 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 7:30:18pm

re: #87 RealityBasedSteve

And even if it weren’t a true atomic bomb, the possibility of someone creating a large explosive device (i.e. Truck Bomb), heavily salted with radioactive but non-fissile material could do damage far beyond the mere explosive radius.

Imagine a radiation enhanced going off on Wall Street, or some other key area. The lingering radiation, and the natural human fear of radiation could almost shut down major sectors of the economy. That area would probably become a waste-land, since nobody want to go there, regardless of what the real dangers would be.

RBS

Just making dirty bombs could cause enough damage.

Are Terrorists Interested In Radioactive Materials?

Yes, terrorists have been interested in acquiring radioactive and nuclear material for use in attacks. For example, in 1995, Chechen extremists threatened to bundle radioactive material with explosives to use against Russia in order to force the Russian military to withdraw from Chechnya. While no explosives were used, officials later retrieved a package of cesium-137 the rebels had buried in a Moscow park.

Since September 11, 2001, terrorist arrests and prosecutions overseas have revealed that individuals associated with al-Qaeda planned to acquire materials for a RDD. In 2004, British authorities arrested a British national, Dhiren Barot, and several associates on various charges, including conspiring to commit public nuisance by the use of radioactive materials. In 2006, Barot was found guilty and sentenced to life. British authorities disclosed that Barot developed a document known as the “Final Presentation.” The document outlined his research on the production of “dirty bombs,” which he characterized as designed to “cause injury, fear, terror and chaos” rather than to kill. U.S. federal prosecutors indicted Barot and two associates for conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction against persons within the United States, in conjunction with the alleged surveillance of several landmarks and office complexes in Washington, D.C., New York City, and Newark, N.J. In a separate British police operation in 2004, authorities arrested British national, Salahuddin Amin, and six others on terrorism-related charges. Amin is accused of making inquiries about buying a “radioisotope bomb” from the Russian mafia in Belgium; and the group is alleged to have linkages to al-Qaeda. Nothing appeared to have come from his inquiries, according to British prosecutors. While neither Barot nor Amin had the opportunity to carry their plans forward to an operational stage, these arrests demonstrate the continued interest of terrorists in acquiring and using radioactive material for malicious purposes.

nrc.gov

92 The War TARDIS  Jul 5, 2014 7:31:49pm

re: #86 Teukka

Realistically, we have exactly one reason for nukes: Oncoming Celestial Object Deterrence. For that you need only a handful of reliable nations with weapons which have large yields.

I would say the US, France, and China are the acceptable nations.

Britain has had security issues, Russia threatens it’s Western neighbors at an alarming rate with them, Israel’s are a political landmine, and both India and Pakistan keep egging toeing the line in Kashmir.

93 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 7:35:07pm

Oh hell, they’re having a little field day over at GG’s on the Gellman junk.

94 Teukka  Jul 5, 2014 7:35:31pm

re: #92 The War TARDIS

Realistically, we have exactly one reason for nukes: Oncoming Celestial Object Deterrence. For that you need only a handful of reliable nations with weapons which have large yields.

I would say the US, France, and China are the acceptable nations.

Britain has had security issues, Russia threatens it’s Western neighbors at an alarming rate with them, Israel’s are a political landmine, and both India and Pakistan keep egging toeing the line in Kashmir.

I would say common control so that, more than one or even two nations need to arm the weapon before use. And maybe safeguards so that it can’t be detonated closer than a set distance from earth.

95 calochortus  Jul 5, 2014 7:38:07pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

“…Research from Seattle suggests that it takes a typical household about 45 minutes per week to recycle its rubbish. In the US that works out at ninety million hours expended every week dividing green glass from brown glass from cardboard from aluminum from paper from plastic, etc. In the UK, that’s about 18.2 million man-hours per week which we’re never going to get back.”
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

I’m a little late to this topic, but how does it take 45 minutes a week to recycle unless you have to drive all the stuff to a recycling center? I can’ t imagine there are many places that require recycling but don’t provide a mechanism to do so-like having your garbage company do it.

It takes me approximately no extra time to recycle. Maybe a very few minutes a week to rinse out containers if they’re icky (which we don’t actually have to do.) I finish with an item and either throw it in the trash or throw it in the recycling. Same length of time to do either.
When trash day comes, I take everything down and put it in the correct bin. Since I’ve already sorted into recycling and trash, it takes no more time than to put it all in the trash.
The only way it would take extra time is if the recyclables were previously left where they were and piled up.

96 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 5, 2014 7:42:48pm

re: #95 calochortus

You’ll note that the exact source of the data is not mentioned. “Research from Seattle suggests” is deliberately vague.

97 BlueSpotinAL  Jul 5, 2014 7:44:44pm

re: #96 wheat-dogghazi

You’ll note that the exact source of the data is not mentioned. “Research from Seattle suggests” is deliberately vague.

Maybe Seattle is where Delingpole’s ass was that day.

98 Justanotherhuman  Jul 5, 2014 7:46:54pm

Later, Lizards! Enjoy the rest of the evening…

99 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 5, 2014 7:47:34pm

This site takes the time to include citations for its data, such as:

It has been estimated that recycling, re-use, and composting create six to ten times as many jobs as waste incineration and landfills.[23]

cleanair.org

100 calochortus  Jul 5, 2014 7:50:05pm

Oh FFS. JimRob is heading for the Texas border to defend us.

To: Syncro; Chris Robinson; BuckeyeTexan; penelopesire; humblegunner; patriot08; mylife; TheMom; …

Ok, we’re packing our gear and preparing to hit the road ASAP.

4 posted on 7/4/2014, 3:30:31 PM by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)

101 Tor  Jul 5, 2014 7:52:16pm

Image: JCSG.png

Signed by Jim Cummings. My life is now complete.

102 sagehen  Jul 5, 2014 7:53:23pm

re: #95 calochortus

I’m a little late to this topic, but how does it take 45 minutes a week to recycle unless you have to drive all the stuff to a recycling center? I can’ t imagine there are many places that require recycling but don’t provide a mechanism to do so-like having your garbage company do it.

The 45 min/week average probably includes everybody’s efforts.

At least twice a week, I have to carry my recyclables 40 feet down the hall and place them in the recycling bin (cans and bottles) or on the recycling shelf (newspapers and magazines). That’s at least 5 minutes a week for me personally. And every day, a building staffer collects the recycleables from all the floors, bundles them in large lots… that’s probably 5 hours a week for him. Then the city picks them up every week and takes them to the recycling place, the guy driving that truck does that full-time and so do the people running the machines that crush and melt the aluminum and pulp the paper…

Some households actually carry their bin outside to set it at the curb next to their trash… and then carry the bin back inside after the trash truck has been by…

103 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 7:53:24pm
104 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 7:54:42pm
105 Bear  Jul 5, 2014 7:56:57pm

re: #95 calochortus

During the War (WW2) the folks cleaned the tin cans and saved tin foil for recycling. Then some of us kids went around asking for scrap metals.

Soda pop came in glass bottles that were returned as was the quart milk bottles.

106 Belafon  Jul 5, 2014 7:57:35pm

re: #100 calochortus

I could have sworn feeding and taking care of His children was obedience to God.

107 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 7:59:20pm

These people.

108 calochortus  Jul 5, 2014 7:59:28pm

re: #102 sagehen

Yes, but the quote specifically mentioned “households” so businesses and processing after it is collected don’t come into it.
As for time carrying the stuff to the curb and bringing the bins back in, wouldn’t you have to take the stuff to the street, or somewhere, if it was trash? Most driveways are much shorter, and it just couldn’t come close to 45 minutes a week on the average.

109 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 7:59:41pm

Oh, look.

110 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 5, 2014 7:59:57pm

Kiwis are apparently more efficient that Seattle residents in their recycling chores.

On average respondents estimate that they spend 13.6 minutes per week recycling, but would be willing to spend 23.4 minutes.

mfe.govt.nz

New Yorkers are (typically) even faster.

I tried to estimate the value of New Yorkers’ garbage sorting by financing an experiment by a neutral observer (a Columbia University student with no strong feelings about recycling). He kept a record of the work he did during one week complying with New York’s recycling laws. It took him eight minutes during the week to sort, rinse and deliver four pounds of cans and bottles to the basement of his building.

From a New York Times Muckraker column reprinted here web.williams.edu

It took me 15 minutes on the Internet to find, read and excerpt these two references. That’s 15 minutes more than Delingpole spent on research. I betcha!

111 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 8:00:53pm

Now.

112 sagehen  Jul 5, 2014 8:01:26pm

re: #105 Bear

During the War (WW2) the folks cleaned the tin cans and saved tin foil for recycling. Then some of us kids went around asking for scrap metals.

Soda pop came in glass bottles that were returned as was the quart milk bottles.

When I was a child, one of my kid-novels was a wartime story about a 12-year-old Girl Scout whose grand ambition for the year was to talk somebody down the road into giving up the ‘32 Ford they had up on blocks to the recyclers…

113 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 5, 2014 8:01:54pm

re: #111 Gus

OMG, the suspense is killing me! //

114 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 8:02:11pm

re: #111 Gus

It takes a while to engrave those stone tablets.

115 Kragar  Jul 5, 2014 8:02:31pm
116 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 5, 2014 8:02:35pm

re: #100 calochortus

Oh FFS. JimRob is heading for the Texas border to defend us.

That catch phrase should be “Stupid is as stupid does”.

117 Kragar  Jul 5, 2014 8:03:20pm
118 sagehen  Jul 5, 2014 8:03:48pm

re: #108 calochortus

Yes, but the quote specifically mentioned “households” so businesses and processing after it is collected don’t come into it.
As for time carrying the stuff to the curb and bringing the bins back in, wouldn’t you have to take the stuff to the street, or somewhere, if it was trash? Most driveways are much shorter, and it just couldn’t come close to 45 minutes a week on the average.

The “households” was simple division, the article also specifies 90 million man-hours per week for the whole country (just under 20 minutes per person). So I’m assuming that includes the collection and transport and reprocessing.

119 calochortus  Jul 5, 2014 8:04:15pm

re: #106 Belafon

I could have sworn feeding and taking care of His children was obedience to God.

Different Bible, apparently.

120 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 5, 2014 8:04:52pm

re: #112 sagehen

When I was a child, one of my kid-novels was a wartime story about a 12-year-old Girl Scout whose grand ambition for the year was to talk somebody down the road into giving up the ‘32 Ford they had up on blocks to the recyclers…

Reminds me of these Jeff Foxworthy jokes:

“You know you’re a redneck if you ever cut your grass and found a car.”

“You know you’re a redneck if you own a home that is mobile and 5 cars that aren’t.”

121 calochortus  Jul 5, 2014 8:05:36pm

re: #105 Bear

During the War (WW2) the folks cleaned the tin cans and saved tin foil for recycling. Then some of us kids went around asking for scrap metals.

Soda pop came in glass bottles that were returned as was the quart milk bottles.

I’m old enough to remember glass milk and soda bottles. WWII? Not so much.

122 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 8:07:10pm

re: #101 Tor

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123 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 8:08:21pm
124 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 8:09:30pm

re: #105 Bear

During the War (WW2) the folks cleaned the tin cans and saved tin foil for recycling. Then some of us kids went around asking for scrap metals.

Soda pop came in glass bottles that were returned as was the quart milk bottles.

My Grandma always had recycled aluminum foil folded up in the drawer.

125 Bear  Jul 5, 2014 8:09:45pm

re: #121 calochortus

Then you remember the “No Deposit - No Return” sales pitch for some things.

Really what a waste the plastic milk jugs and pop cans of today are.

126 calochortus  Jul 5, 2014 8:10:52pm

re: #118 sagehen

The “households” was simple division, the article also specific 90 million man-hours per week for the whole country (just under 20 minutes per person). So I’m assuming that includes the collection and transport and reprocessing.

But that really isn’t relevant unless they compare it to the cost of processing the trash. The implication is that each household is spending extra time, not that there is time involved in processing recyclables.

127 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 8:10:52pm
128 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 8:11:18pm
130 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 8:11:47pm
131 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 8:11:50pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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132 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 8:12:20pm

Eric Dondero (Last Name Self-Redacted):
Even too crazy for Ron Paul.

133 calochortus  Jul 5, 2014 8:13:04pm

re: #125 Bear

Then you remember the “No Deposit - No Return” sales pitch for some things.

Really what a waste the plastic milk jugs and pop cans of today are.

There is a trade-off with the reduced costs of transporting things in lighter weight plastics. If the plastics can be recycled, we may come out ahead. I really don’t know.

134 sagehen  Jul 5, 2014 8:13:18pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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Dondero… that’s a Hispanic name, no?

135 Kragar  Jul 5, 2014 8:13:45pm

Oh, that asshole. I blocked him days ago

136 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 5, 2014 8:14:41pm

re: #134 sagehen

Dondero… that’s a Hispanic name, no?

Bet the little twit pretends to be Christian too.

137 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 8:15:04pm

re: #134 sagehen

Italian, probably.

138 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 8:15:06pm
139 De Kolta Chair  Jul 5, 2014 8:15:25pm

Terrific article. Always nice to read about the good things happening in Tucson, and not just the usual stuff about psycho Minutemen, nut job AZ pols, and their moronic ilk. I’d like to give a shout-out to another Tucsonan who’s fighting the good fight, my old pal Richard Elias, member of the Pima County Board of Supervisors, who I’m sure all the good folks mentioned in the article know.

Btw, Richard’s dad, Albert, is the owner of Tucson’s Old Pueblo Printing, the oldest unionized print shop in Arizona.

140 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 5, 2014 8:15:34pm

Have a good night all, off to one more night manning the front desk then I get my weekend of Sunday/Monday nights off. Later.

141 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 8:17:59pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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It’s down to that.

142 Ryan King  Jul 5, 2014 8:18:23pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

OMG. He seems nice.

143 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2014 8:19:25pm

re: #131 Gus

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I think if reality suddenly intruded on him he’d write off the rest of the United States in addition to Tucson. Maybe simply claim only his yard is the “real” America. Then we hire John McCain to show up in a bus and yell at him to get off the lawn.

144 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 8:20:55pm

re: #143 Feline Fearless Leader

I think if reality suddenly intruded on him he’d write off the rest of the United States in addition to Tucson. Maybe simply claim only his yard is the “real” America. Then we hire John McCain to show up in a bus and yell at him to get off the lawn.

Tucson is also 42% Hispanic, so, derp on him.

145 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 8:24:08pm

I seem to be doing an excellent job of enraging everyone I want to enrage tonight.

146 Ryan King  Jul 5, 2014 8:24:08pm

Eric Dondero mas loco en Facebook

147 Tor  Jul 5, 2014 8:25:09pm

re: #122 Stanley Sea

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Try copy and pasting it.

148 calochortus  Jul 5, 2014 8:26:29pm

re: #147 Tor

Still doesn’t work for me.

149 Ryan King  Jul 5, 2014 8:26:29pm
Are they simply Black voters, or are they Black moocher voters? We Republicans welcome absolutely any American of African ethnicity who is self-reliant, individualistic and despises Big Government. Herman Cain, Ben Cardin, Clarence Thomas, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Mia Love, to name just a few.

Unfortunately today, too many Black Americans feed at the Fed Gov’t trough. They are pork-addicted. Gimmee, gimmee, gimmee. It’s disgraceful quite frankly.

Black Americans need to learn the virtues of liberty. Perhaps it’s a failure of public schooling that seems to embrace communism and fascism Big Gov’t over limited government. Whatever the cause, Black Americans themselves share a great deal of the blame for their rampant moocherism. They are in affect racists themselves, wanting to steal taxpayer $$ from non-minorities.

Thankfully 10% of Black Americans reject their moocheri-stic views.

Oh Eric, you’re not racist, just White Supremacist Curious, right?

150 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 8:27:11pm

re: #147 Tor

done! congrats!

151 Ryan King  Jul 5, 2014 8:30:15pm

Charles, this is AMAZEBALLS! Eric von Dunderhead is Facebook buds with Robert Stacey McCain.

Suprise suprise suprise.

152 Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2014 8:36:51pm

re: #151 Ryan King

Imagine, if you will, my overwhelming surprise.

153 De Kolta Chair  Jul 5, 2014 8:37:31pm

Eric Dondero Rittberg is the author of a book called “Vacation Spanish.” WTF?

154 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 5, 2014 8:41:20pm

re: #110 wheat-dogghazi

Back to the recycling time question. I found a study done for the Seattle city government that says this:

When it comes to the time households spend on recycling activities, Figure 2 shows that the most common response category, reported by 26% of the respondents, was 6𠄁0 minutes per week. The next most common category was 11𠄁5 minutes per week. There were 10% who said their household spends more than 30 minutes per week on this activity. The average household time spent recycling across all
respondents was 15.5 minutes per week.

PDF file

So #19 the 45 minutes a week datum is spurious.

155 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 8:41:31pm
156 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 5, 2014 8:45:10pm

This is what RWNJ’s think is “hilarious”

157 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 8:47:24pm

re: #155 Stanley Sea

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@NorfolkNE

158 Kragar  Jul 5, 2014 8:49:05pm
159 Ryan King  Jul 5, 2014 8:49:28pm

Eric loves him some EDL too. This is his comment about an EDL podcast he Shared on his Facebook page titled ‘EDL Turn Out In Thousands In Newcastle Yesterday’ posted on his Facebook page:

This is like an all-star cast of counter-jihad libertarian/conservatives! Great broadcast. Fantastic. I listened to it all full-length. Well put together. Good format. Professional sounding. And of course the message was superb.

Eric Dondero, Publisher
libertarianrepublican.net

(We’re the non-Ron Paul, non-appeasement of Islam wing of the libertarian movement)

160 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 8:50:02pm
161 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 5, 2014 8:50:27pm

Janie Johnson and Prudence are both bugfuck insane, but I don’t think Janie has ever Tweeted anything about assassinating the POTUS. Prudence has another one with AF1 full of bullet holes.

162 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 8:51:09pm
163 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 8:51:49pm

However, parade committee member Rick Konopasek told the Lincoln Journal-Star that the float wasn’t meant to be any more offensive than a political cartoon. He also said the outhouse float was the most popular one in the parade, and the three judges awarded it an honorable mention.

omaha.com

164 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2014 8:53:36pm

re: #163 Gus

However, parade committee member Rick Konopasek told the Lincoln Journal-Star that the float wasn’t meant to be any more offensive than a political cartoon. He also said the outhouse float was the most popular one in the parade, and the three judges awarded it an honorable mention.

omaha.com

Yep, when I think 4th of July parade, I expect political cartoon…
O_o

165 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 5, 2014 8:54:41pm

re: #163 Gus

However, parade committee member Rick Konopasek told the Lincoln Journal-Star that the float wasn’t meant to be any more offensive than a political cartoon. He also said the outhouse float was the most popular one in the parade, and the three judges awarded it an honorable mention.

omaha.com

I remember that Oktoberfest parade float that showed Bill Clinton grabbing the Statue of Liberty’s boobs.

166 Romantic Heretic  Jul 5, 2014 8:55:11pm

re: #91 Justanotherhuman

I designed a cyberpunk RPG a couple of decades ago. It was set in 2060

In the background I created for it there had been one case of nuclear terrorism in that time. A group calling themselves ‘The Friends of Spaceship Earth’ blew Cape Canaveral to MC Square. They were pissed that people were concerned about getting into space when they should be worried about this planet.

Unfortunately ten of the casualties were upper level Oyabun of the Yakuza (who were the world’s biggest crime network).

A week later, after an anonymous tip, police found the members of the terrorist group in an abandoned van in a alley in New York. Autopsies showed they died of radiation poisoning. It took about five days for them to croak.

No one has tried anything like it since. All the world’s power structures, political, corporate and criminal, work very hard to make sure something like Cape Canaveral never happens again. If for no other reason than it’s really bad for business.

I believe that’s what will happen if there ever is a terrorist act with weapons of mass destruction.

167 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 5, 2014 8:57:42pm

re: #159 Ryan King

Eric loves him some EDL too. This is his comment about an EDL podcast he Shared on his Facebook page titled ‘EDL Turn Out In Thousands In Newcastle Yesterday’ posted on his Facebook page:

Libertarian is the PC term for John Birch Society member.

168 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 8:58:46pm

re: #164 Feline Fearless Leader

Yep, when I think 4th of July parade, I expect political cartoon…
O_o

PATRIOTISM

169 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2014 9:03:21pm

re: #168 Stanley Sea

PATRIOTISM

I looked up the demographics of that city in Wikipedia. Color me unsurprised.

One thing I’m upset about is the fact that FOX and the GOP have essentially finished off the Presidency being granted any sort of basic courtesy or dignity. You get that sort of sliming in political circles, but it has definitely leaked into the public sphere over the past few decades. And gone completely over the top since 2008. And by now it’s gotten engrained into the culture that there is nothing wrong with being totally disrespectful towards the leader of our country.

170 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 9:11:19pm

re: #169 Feline Fearless Leader

And like magic, this tweet appears:

171 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 9:13:03pm

Derp, derp, derp.

172 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 9:13:14pm

Republican science.

173 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 5, 2014 9:15:13pm

re: #169 Feline Fearless Leader

I looked up the demographics of that city in Wikipedia. Color me unsurprised.

One thing I’m upset about is the fact that FOX and the GOP have essentially finished off the Presidency being granted any sort of basic courtesy or dignity. You get that sort of sliming in political circles, but it has definitely leaked into the public sphere over the past few decades. And gone completely over the top since 2008. And by now it’s gotten engrained into the culture that there is nothing wrong with being totally disrespectful towards the leader of our country.

I have an older FB friend (really, a friend of a friend) who posted in his annual July 4 message this week that the we have president who is “out of touch with the majority” of the population. I had to fight the urge to call him out on that particular point, as I try to avoid political discussions on Facebook and as it would do no good — it would just make the bear angry, as it were.

But I can’t fathom how anyone could accept the idea that Obama is “out of touch” when he was elected by a majority of the popular vote. I think it’s code words for “he does stuff I don’t like.”

174 BongCrodny  Jul 5, 2014 9:15:53pm

I’ve got ice cubes in my refrigerator, so that’s proof that global warming is a hoax.

175 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 9:16:21pm

Meanwhile, @IamOCO2.

176 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 9:17:36pm

re: #174 BongCrodny

I’ve got ice cubes in my refrigerator, so that’s proof that global warming is a hoax.

It snows up in the Rocky Mountains during summer sometimes which thus disproves summer!

//

177 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 5, 2014 9:19:34pm

re: #174 BongCrodny

I’ve got ice cubes in my refrigerator, so that’s proof that global warming is a hoax.

Don’t forget the polar ice caps on Mars! After all, Mars has the same temperature as Earth. /////

178 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 9:20:36pm

Creationist science: water disappears when you drink it.

179 piratedan  Jul 5, 2014 9:20:48pm

re: #170 jaunte

says the guy who represented the country at the UN while his POTUS essentially couldn’t be bothered to track down OBL while he used it as an excuse to invade another country to “avenge” the failings of his old man. Yeah, real success story there. Bolton, you’re perhaps overqualified to be more than a WalMart greeter but I’m guessing you couldn’t keep the gig because you’re a dishonest old fart.

180 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 9:20:56pm

re: #173 wheat-dogghazi

I have an older FB friend (really, a friend of a friend) who posted in his annual July 4 message this week that the we have president who is “out of touch with the majority” of the population. I had to fight the urge to call him out on that particular point, as I try to avoid political discussions on Facebook and as it would do no good — it would just make the bear angry, as it were.

But I can’t fathom how anyone could accept the idea that Obama is “out of touch” when he was elected by a majority of the popular vote. I think it’s code words for “he does stuff I don’t like.”

Or, more blatantly, not one of us.

181 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 9:21:07pm

re: #177 wheat-dogghazi

Don’t forget the polar ice caps on Mars! After all, Mars has the same temperature as Earth. /////

Mercury temps vary from 800 °F to -280 °F. Therefore, something.

182 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 5, 2014 9:21:22pm

re: #170 jaunte

Where does Bolton get that factoid? I think Bolton is confusing “concern with foreign policy” with “invading other countries for no legitimate reason.”

183 jaunte  Jul 5, 2014 9:21:55pm

re: #182 wheat-dogghazi

It’s just his scam to collect email addresses.

184 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2014 9:22:07pm

re: #178 jaunte

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Creationist science: water disappears when you drink it.

Creationists do not excrete. That really does explain a lot, doesn’t it!

185 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 9:22:58pm

re: #178 jaunte

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Creationist science: water disappears when you drink it.

186 BeachDem  Jul 5, 2014 9:27:48pm

re: #162 Gus

They’re not even very original—Montana had a similar display way back in 2012.
billingsgazette.com

187 BongCrodny  Jul 5, 2014 9:27:51pm

re: #185 Gus

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I had no idea there were seven billion people three billion years ago.

Huh. You learn something new every day.

188 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 5, 2014 9:27:55pm

OT:

I have chili cooking in the slow cooker for dinner. It smells really good!

And I made bread yesterday. It came out a bit dense, but still edible. Everything was going well until I ran out of flour during kneading. The dough was still too sticky and wet. It took me a hour to walk to the supermarket and back to add flour to the mix. By that time, the yeasties had done their work. I punched down the dough and kneaded in some more flour, and baked it in the same slow cooker as I’m using today for the chili. It has a high temperature setting I wanted to test for baking bread. That part worked out fine.

Next loaf will be better.

189 Stanley Sea  Jul 5, 2014 9:30:24pm

Night all.

190 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 5, 2014 9:32:02pm

re: #180 Stanley Sea

Or, more blatantly, not one of us.

I’m afraid that’s his main beef with Obama. He’s generally a nice man, but about a decade older than I and certainly more conservative in thinking. There are times I wonder if he’s showing early signs of Alzeimer’s, because some of his FB messages and posts make no damn sense at all.

I have another FB buddy with a similar posting style, but in his case I think he writes while stoned.

191 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 9:32:37pm
192 kirkspencer  Jul 5, 2014 9:36:54pm

re: #178 jaunte

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Creationist science: water disappears when you drink it.

amazing. Apparently they forget that you also sweat and pee - and yes, it’s fun to see when people realize they’re drinking recycled …

193 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jul 5, 2014 9:38:53pm

re: #178 jaunte

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Creationist science: water disappears when you drink it.

I think it probably goes to the same place where socks go when they disappear in the laundry, but the science isn’t yet in on that.

194 BongCrodny  Jul 5, 2014 9:44:42pm

re: #192 kirkspencer

amazing. Apparently they forget that you also sweat and pee - and yes, it’s fun to see when people realize they’re drinking recycled …

My favorite scene in “Waterworld,” believe it or not, was the bit where Kevin Costner peed into that contraption and filtered it into drinking water.

Yes, yes, I know — but you have to understand, there weren’t a whole lot of scenes in that movie that could be considered favorites.

195 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jul 5, 2014 9:47:07pm

re: #178 jaunte

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Creationist science: water disappears when you drink it.

Also, apparently, tweets like this one disappear when you make fun of them. It’s gone now.

196 dell*nix  Jul 5, 2014 9:50:38pm

re: #178 jaunte

Water Cycle:

Drink

breathe

sweat

pee

shit

Did I forget anything?

197 Snarknado!  Jul 5, 2014 10:03:00pm

re: #196 dell*nix

Water Cycle:

Drink

breathe

sweat

pee

shit

Did I forget anything?

Bleed?

198 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jul 5, 2014 10:07:31pm

re: #196 dell*nix

Water Cycle:

Drink

breathe

sweat

pee

shit

Did I forget anything?

There’s always die and decompose.

199 dell*nix  Jul 5, 2014 10:18:34pm

Bleeding and dieing are lesser parts, though not reccomended on a regular basis. And depending on how much one drinks or gets sick, puking is not what one would want to engage in on a frequent basis either. Hard on the stomach.

200 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 10:24:25pm

Boss! :D

201 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 10:25:20pm

Wait for it!

202 Gus  Jul 5, 2014 10:25:24pm
203 Varek Raith  Jul 5, 2014 10:47:02pm

re: #178 jaunte

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Creationist science: water disappears when you drink it.

MY MIND!

204 Varek Raith  Jul 5, 2014 11:08:51pm

re: #200 Gus

re: #202 Gus

Sweet.

205 Varek Raith  Jul 5, 2014 11:45:13pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

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Later, lizards.

RAWR, IMMA DRAGON

206 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 1:01:41am

re: #137 jaunte

Italian, probably.

This came up a few days ago, when he claimed that he’s half-Latino coz he’s half-Italian. For realz.

207 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 1:19:34am
208 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2014 2:41:25am

re: #207 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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From what I’m reading, apparently the pro-Russian separatists are regrouping in Donetsk.

bbc.com

Despite recent losses, the rebels still hold the regional capitals of Donetsk and Luhansk and other key areas.

Sloviansk had been considered a focal point of the rebellion, and was the military centre of the self-declared separatist People’s Republic of Donetsk.

But on Saturday, Ukrainian forces raised the national flag over the city hall after the rebels left the city following a night of mortar shelling apparently orchestrated by the breakaway region’s military commander, Igor Strelkov.

President Poroshenko said troops had “liberated Sloviansk from terrorists”, and that it was “the start of a turning point in the fight against the militants”.

209 Eventual Carrion  Jul 6, 2014 2:45:05am

re: #68 jaunte

Reince can’t even explain what that means.

Means we aren’t shooting up/destroying enough ordnance that needs to be replaced.

210 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 2:51:06am

re: #206 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

This came up a few days ago, when he claimed that he’s half-Latino coz he’s half-Italian. For realz.

His FB page has some posts in Spanish, but the prose seems stilted to me, as in “not a native speaker.”

211 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 3:19:13am

re: #210 wheat-dogghazi

His FB page has some posts in Spanish, but the prose seems stilted to me, as in “not a native speaker.”

As in, he took 3 yrs in HS and college?

When I was going to school in Miami, I took Spanish because I wanted to be able to speak it w/the Puerto Rican and Cuban kids I knew (who taught me the “cuss words”). It was all grammar and proper castellano, as the teacher explained. I did well in it, as I did in English, being the grammarian that I was tending to be at the time, but it didn’t help me very much on the street.

212 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 3:23:23am

And yes, Dondero is an Italian surname.

ancestry.com

213 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 3:48:28am

I can’t find much about this company online. Is is new or a spin-off? Where are they getting their money?

US company ‘signs $1.175b Iran bio-energy deal’

au.news.yahoo.com

Tehran (AFP) - A US company has signed a preliminary agreement to invest $1.175 billion (864 million euros) in Iran, in a rare joint commercial project to turn rubbish and human waste into electricity.

“California-based World Eco Energy told AFP it plans to produce 250 megawatts daily by burning trash and by processing algae and salt and waste water into power.

“Iran will match the US investment, the company said.” More

214 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 4:00:31am

re: #211 Justanotherhuman

As in, he took 3 yrs in HS and college?

When I was going to school in Miami, I took Spanish because I wanted to be able to speak it w/the Puerto Rican and Cuban kids I knew (who taught me the “cuss words”). It was all grammar and proper castellano, as the teacher explained. I did well in it, as I did in English, being the grammarian that I was tending to be at the time, but it didn’t help me very much on the street.

We learned Mexican Spanish at my school, but our teachers made sure we learned all the proper grammar and none of the “gutter’ Spanish. The first part helped a lot in college when I studied Spanish lit and had to write papers and be in class discussions. But not learning colloquial Spanish means I’d be a bit lost in everyday conversation for a while. My FB friends who are Spanish speakers use a kind of Spanish net speak that I have trouble understanding. Q for “que” is easy, though.

That’s why I suspect Dondero is not a native speaker of Spanish. His Spanish posts are too correct grammatically, the same as mine would be.

215 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 4:02:53am

Occupied Donetsk:

216 ObserverArt  Jul 6, 2014 4:03:38am

Morning!

So, there is more dudebro activity going on regarding Greenwald and his big, but delayed expose.

You know the dudebros will cry about being spied on but if something big blew up (like a dirty bomb) and wasn’t caught by the NSA, they’d be the first ones bitching about why they weren’t protected.

I swear some still walk around with one hand on Mommy’s dress hem and the other in Daddy’s wallet.

Dudebros = Dudbros.

217 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 4:10:17am

re: #214 wheat-dogghazi

We learned Mexican Spanish at my school, but our teachers made sure we learned all the proper grammar and none of the “gutter’ Spanish. The first part helped a lot in college when I studied Spanish lit and had to write papers and be in class discussions. But not learning colloquial Spanish means I’d be a bit lost in everyday conversation for a while. My FB friends who are Spanish speakers use a kind of Spanish net speak that I have trouble understanding. Q for “que” is easy, though.

That’s why I suspect Dondero is not a native speaker of Spanish. His Spanish posts are too correct grammatically, the same as mine would be.

Well, you have to remember, that was in the ’50s. : ) However, I also took a year in college in the mid-70s which was basically the same—lots of grammar and some writing. Two years of Spanish, and now I can decipher some writing (with difficulty), but usually just use Google Translate. I remember a few easy phrases but haven’t had the opportunity to use Spanish for any reasonable length of time to strengthen speaking it.

You really have to have the opportunity to use a language in order to communicate effectively in it. When in Rome, etc.

218 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 4:16:20am

Whoa, more stories of corruption in the Thatcher administration?

Former MP believes cover-up over child abuse in UK

rte.ie

“A former British MP has said he believes there “may well” have been a political cover-up over child abuse in the UK in the 1980s.

“Norman Tebbit, who served in a series of ministerial posts under Margaret Thatcher, said the instinct of people at the time was to protect “the system” and not to delve too deeply into uncomfortable allegations.

“His comment came as Britain’s Home Office announced a fresh review into what happened to a file alleging paedophile activity at Westminster which was handed to the then home secretary Leon Brittan by the Tory MP Geoffrey Dickens.” More

And Thatcher is praised by the Reaganites and US RW…

219 Decatur Deb  Jul 6, 2014 4:17:00am

re: #153 De Kolta Chair

Eric Dondero Rittberg is the author of a book called “Vacation Spanish.” WTF?

Hero rescues a bell-boy from his shiftless ways.

220 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 6, 2014 4:34:12am

re: #219 Decatur Deb

Hero rescues a bell-boy from his shiftless ways.

“Camarero, esta margarita no es lo suficientemente grande.”

“Yo no te estoy dando un consejo para que pueda aprender a tirarse hacia arriba por sus propios esfuerzos.”

221 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2014 4:57:59am

Humidity up, Temperature Down AND it looks like rain in my part of the world.

I feel like crap and I’m on my first cuppa.

you?

222 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2014 4:58:41am

re: #218 Justanotherhuman

Whoa, more stories of corruption in the Thatcher administration?

Former MP believes cover-up over child abuse in UK

rte.ie

“A former British MP has said he believes there “may well” have been a political cover-up over child abuse in the UK in the 1980s.

“Norman Tebbit, who served in a series of ministerial posts under Margaret Thatcher, said the instinct of people at the time was to protect “the system” and not to delve too deeply into uncomfortable allegations.

“His comment came as Britain’s Home Office announced a fresh review into what happened to a file alleging paedophile activity at Westminster which was handed to the then home secretary Leon Brittan by the Tory MP Geoffrey Dickens.” More

And Thatcher is praised by the Reaganites and US RW…

I seem to remember something about this months ago …

223 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 5:12:39am

Well, well. According to Ballotpedia, Sr. Dondero’s Spanish may be legit.

Dondero is a certified Spanish interpreter and fluent in Italian, French and Portuguese. He is the author of “Worldwide Multilingual Phrase Book” and “Vacation Spanish.”

The second book he co-authored with someone named Hurtado, so it wasn’t a solo effort.

I read the intro at amazon.com’s Look Inside. it says Dondero has “mastered” 20 languages and has functional use of 20 more. After several years of studying Spanish, he finally spent three months teaching English in Tampico and it pushed him into complete fluency.

I catch a strong whiff of self-promotion here.

224 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2014 5:22:08am
What has that got to do with Walgreen and Medtronic? Both are giant for-profit American corporations maneuvering to buy European companies to free themselves from U.S. taxes by moving their headquarters abroad. Walgreen is considering merging with Alliance Boots, a drugstore chain in Europe and moving its base from Illinois to Switzerland; Medtronic is buying competitor Covidien and moving its home from Minneapolis to Ireland. As Steve Pearlstein wrote in The Washington Post about Medtronic, addressing the Medtronic CEO:
225 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2014 5:22:42am

226 sattv4u2  Jul 6, 2014 5:22:53am

re: #223 wheat-dogghazi

heh

If I had “mastered” 20 languages and was functional in the use of 20 more I’d be self promotional too

in all 40 languages!!!!!!

227 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 5:26:25am

re: #223 wheat-dogghazi

Well, well. According to Ballotpedia, Sr. Dondero’s Spanish may be legit.

The second book he co-authored with someone named Hurtado, so it wasn’t a solo effort.

I read the intro at amazon.com’s Look Inside. it says Dondero has “mastered” 20 languages and has functional use of 20 more. After several years of studying Spanish, he finally spent three months teaching English in Tampico and it pushed him into complete fluency.

I catch a strong whiff of self-promotion here.

Libertarians always do heavily embroidered self-promotion the best.

228 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 6, 2014 5:31:03am

re: #226 sattv4u2

heh

If I had “mastered” 20 languages and was functional in the use of 20 more I’d be self promotional too

in all 40 languages!!!!!!

That includes arglebargle, herpderp, and Speaking In Tongues.

229 sattv4u2  Jul 6, 2014 5:35:08am

re: #228 Pie-onist Overlord

That includes arglebargle, herpderp, and Speaking In Tongues.

Throw in pig latin and half a dozen other made up languages and that still leaves 30!

230 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 5:38:46am

This is awful, but look at who’s said to be involved.

Israeli police arrest six suspects in murder of Palestinian teen
Police suspect nationalistic motives; PA source says teenager was burned alive.

haaretz.com

“In a dramatic development, it was revealed Sunday that Israeli police arrested six suspects in the murder of a Palestinian teen.

“Police suspect that the motive behind the murder of 16-year-old Mohammed Abu Khdeir, whose body was found in the Jerusalem Forest on Wednesday, was nationalistic, suggesting the perpetrators were Jewish extremists.

“Police have been investigating various avenues in the teen’s death, including criminal or personal motives. But an official told the Associated Press on Sunday that evidence points toward Jewish extremists.”

Who said this, again?

“I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!”

Reminder: I don’t always ask questions I don’t know the answers to.

231 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2014 5:39:38am
232 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 5:45:17am

re: #224 FemNaziBitch

That’s an excellent piece by Ornstein.

“The tax-avoidance scheme you have chosen is known as an ‘inversion.’ It involves buying a competitor, Covidien, for a premium price of $43 billion and then taking its legal headquarters in Dublin as your own. In reality, Covidien is no more Irish than Medtronic. The majority of the sales, employees, and profits (properly calculated) of both companies are still in the United States. The only reason Covidien has its legal address in Ireland is that its previous home, Bermuda, was so transparent a tax dodge that better cover was needed when the company was spun off from Tyco International in 2007.”

233 Lidane  Jul 6, 2014 5:46:47am
234 FemNaziBitch  Jul 6, 2014 5:49:28am

dogs fed, I’m going back to bed.

bbl

235 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 5:54:43am

Meanwhile the separatists and certain Russian media claim that there is a wholesale massacre of peaceful citizens in Slavyansk by the Ukrainian executioners.

Ukrainian troops in Slavyansk:

236 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 5:55:43am

This is the Yorkshire crowd—the peloton is on the road…

237 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 5:59:12am

re: #230 Justanotherhuman

There are quite a bit of those ultra-fundamentalists, esp. among the settlers. Unf. it doesn’t seem like Israel does much about them.

238 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 6, 2014 6:00:21am

re: #237 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

There are quite a bit of those ultra-fundamentalists, esp. among the settlers. Unf. it doesn’t seem like Israel does much about them.

There was also another youth who was badly beaten by the border police. He is an American citizen.

chicagotribune.com

239 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2014 6:03:22am

re: #235 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Meanwhile the separatists and certain Russian media claim that there is a wholesale massacre of peaceful citizens in Slavyansk by the Ukrainian executioners.

Ukrainian troops in Slavyansk:

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Not surprised the Russian separatists would claim that.

Donetsk is going to be a problem for the Ukrainian government; a military operation there would be disastrous for all concerned. Urban warfare is perhaps the ugliest type possible, and if the Novorossiya separatists decide that’s where they’re going to make their last stand, it could go downhill lickety-split, to say the least.

That could change though if Putin were to say he’s washing his hands of the whole affair. That would fatally demoralize the Novorossiya separatists, and unless they’re willing to die en masse for a “lost cause” (to borrow a phrase) that would take the wind out of their sails. If Putin were to say, “They tried….they failed, and we disavow their activities” that would be a mortal blow to their ambitions.

Whether Putin would do such a thing I honestly don’t know….it would infuriate the Russian national-patriot types. But then again, it also depends on how pragmatic Putin is willing to be.

240 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 6:03:22am

re: #229 sattv4u2

Throw in pig latin and half a dozen other made up languages and that still leaves 30!

I know people who are polyglots and can speak several languages fluently. Most are Europeans or live in countries where there are several languages spoken in different areas, so being multilingual is often necessary. Some people are naturally gifted and can pick up a new language quickly enough for functional use. On the other hand, those claiming “mastery” of 20 languages are few and far between. Maybe Dondero is legitimately gifted at languages, but my first impression is that he’s padding his résumé His Spanish posts on Facebook are short, so I don’t have much to go on, and I am not going to pay $8.50 to get his Spanish survival book to check him out.

241 Lidane  Jul 6, 2014 6:09:34am

OUTRAGE! IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY! GUBMINT OVERREACH!

242 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 6:12:46am

re: #239 Dr Lizardo

I think Putin has already done that for all intents and purposes. That’s why np’s are fuming and loyal talking heads are spinning. Sergey Kurginyan, who’s gradually become a loyalist (if only tactically) is currently in Donetsk and viciously attacks Strelkov (while supposedly supporting the rest of the terrorist chiefs; funny, coz Strelkov is the main one and Donetsk is likely to be under his control). Other loyalists, such as Bagirov and Yudenich, are also attacking Strelkov in different ways, and they’re usually weather-vanes.

Strelkov himself has announced several times that Russia has more or less left the separatists on their own, despite hopes, but vowed to fight to the end. So in this sense the spirit is already broken. Which won’t stop them from shedding more blood.

243 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 6:16:46am

244 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 6:19:14am

re: #243 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Note that terrorists control only a small part of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, which still doesn’t stop the Russian media from whining about the “punitive operation” in the whole Southeast (which includes quite a bit more than these 2 oblasts).

245 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2014 6:21:31am

re: #243 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

From that map, it looks like the separatists are pretty much being squeezed into a pocket between Lughansk and Donetsk Oblasts. If the Ukrainians could come in behind them and stitch up the Russo-Ukrainian border, that’s pretty much game over for Novorossiya.

246 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 6, 2014 6:22:02am

re: #243 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Is there any source that’s trustable as to the actual numbers of these jokers?

247 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 6:22:53am

re: #246 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

FSB//

Really, no. I wouldn’t expect accurate figures from either side.

248 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 6:23:18am

re: #244 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

My Ukrainian friends live in Lugansk city, which I see from the map is just within the pro-Russian controlled area. My fellow foreign teachers, who are from the U of Lugansk, are still debating whether to risk going home for the summer break. I think they settled on traveling around China instead.

249 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 6:24:24am

re: #248 wheat-dogghazi

What’s there to do in Lugansk even in peaceful times?

250 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 6:27:39am

Lugansk right now:

Earlier:

(both sides blame each other for the bombing)

251 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 6:28:29am
252 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 6:30:02am

re: #237 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

There are quite a bit of those ultra-fundamentalists, esp. among the settlers. Unf. it doesn’t seem like Israel does much about them.

There it is—same as it will be w/”christians” in the US, as we’ve seen hate speech of christians permitted. But it also means below the speech can be used against christians and others as justified, also.

“Weinstein is expected to explain that he is basing his decision on limiting the use of criminal law as a tool to deal with offenses involving freedom of expression, particularly in light of the fact that the statements were made as part of a religious tract, as general statements, and the book mentions neither the word “Arab” nor the word “Palestinian.”

253 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 6:32:34am

re: #249 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

What’s there to do in Lugansk even in peaceful times?

Ouch! I’ve never been there, but I hear young people want to get out ASAP and work in the big cities like Kyiv.

254 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2014 6:36:55am

re: #253 wheat-dogghazi

Ouch! I’ve never been there, but I hear young people want to get out ASAP and work in the big cities like Kyiv.

Lugansk is well-known as an epicenter of internet dating scams/fraud.

255 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 6:38:27am

re: #254 Dr Lizardo

Lugansk is well-known as an epicenter of internet dating scams/fraud.

No doubt run by Russians who are masters at it. : )

256 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 6:39:03am

I spent some time googling this guy Dondero, whose full name is Eric Dondero Rittberg. (He sometimes goes by Eric Dondero R., for some reason.)

Anyway, he’s the staffer who blew the whistle on Ron Paul supposedly approving those racist newsletters several years ago. Rittberg (who says he’s half-Jewish) and Paul had a major falling out back in 2003-4 about Paul’s attitudes toward Israel, Jews, gays and who knows what else.

Apparently, Eric sees himself as a true libertarian and Paul a pseudo-libertarian with bigotry issues.

257 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 6:40:50am

re: #254 Dr Lizardo

Lugansk is well-known as an epicenter of internet dating scams/fraud.

A home-based business opportunity!

258 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 6:49:58am

Just made my first batch of hummus in the 30 yr old food processor. Didn’t even need the liquid drained off from the beans—added sesame oil, garlic, cumin, lemon juice, kosher salt and sesame seeds. Added hot red pepper flakes on top, but wish I’d added them in the hummus for more kick, and also more garlic. You can’t find tahini around here, and at any rate it’s very expensive. Sesame seeds are too expensive to make a decent amount, so no tahini in this hummus, but still quite good and cost far less and made twice what I usually get at the supermarket.

Meanwhile, the 4 yr old just surprised me by using the word, “quickly”, as in “Come here, quickly!”

259 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2014 6:52:25am

re: #257 wheat-dogghazi

A home-based business opportunity!

Indeed! Make thousands fleecing suckers!

*smh*

260 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 6:56:36am

re: #259 Dr Lizardo

Indeed! Make thousands fleecing suckers!

*smh*

I could probably make this hummus and sell it for $2, undercutting everyone else, and still make a nice tidy little profit. : ) Cut the cost by cooking the beans myself in a crock pot. And do a better job of promoting it as something no table should be without.

Where did I go wrong in life? : )

261 Alyosha  Jul 6, 2014 6:56:47am

re: #258 Justanotherhuman

Just made my first batch of hummus in the 30 yr old food processor. Didn’t even need the liquid drained off from the beans—added sesame oil, garlic, cumin, lemon juice, kosher salt and sesame seeds. Added hot red pepper flakes on top, but wish I’d added them in the hummus for more kick, and also more garlic. You can’t find tahini around here, and at any rate it’s very expensive. Sesame seeds are too expensive to make a decent amount, so no tahini in this hummus, but still quite good and cost far less and made twice what I usually get at the supermarket.

Meanwhile, the 4 yr old just surprised me by using the word, “quickly”, as in “Come here, quickly!”

Adverb mastery!!!

262 Alyosha  Jul 6, 2014 7:01:53am

Really glad to see Ukrainian forces taking back the eastern oblasts. To be honest, I stopped paying close attention when the ‘ceasefire’ took effect. I can only hope that Putin has indeed been chastened into having to watch as his insurgent plants melt away. Will there be some sort of vindication for President Obama that his ‘leading from behind’ strategy paid off again?

Not gonna hold my breath…

263 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2014 7:07:49am

This will make a few Lizards chuckle, I’d daresay.

Footage from the Imperial Starport in Frankfurt, Germany.

Youtube Video

Either that, or the Deutsches Bundeswehr has kicked it up a notch.

I must say, quite impressive as CGI goes.

264 Alyosha  Jul 6, 2014 7:12:04am

re: #263 Dr Lizardo

That has to be one of the coolest things I’ve seen in a long time.

Or should we be worried about the Hun again?

265 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2014 7:15:23am

re: #264 Alyosha

That has to be one of the coolest things I’ve seen in a long time.

Or should we be worried about the Hun again?

LOL

If the German Army really had Imperial superweapons at their disposal (notice the Death Star II towards the end of the vid), I think most of the world would be shitting bricks right about now.

Or kissing ass so furiously the world would run out of Chap Stick.

266 Eventual Carrion  Jul 6, 2014 7:17:32am

re: #241 Lidane

OUTRAGE! IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY! GUBMINT OVERREACH!

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Wasn’t he looking to the sheriff as the last word on things early on in the stupidity?

267 Alyosha  Jul 6, 2014 7:20:26am

re: #265 Dr Lizardo

LOL

If the German Army really had Imperial superweapons at their disposal (notice the Death Star II towards the end of the vid), I think most of the world would be shitting bricks right about now.

Or kissing ass so furiously the world would run out of Chap Stick.

I read in an article somewhere that the Ukrainian govt has expressed dissatisfaction with what I believed was referred to as Euro-pacifism, singling out Germany in particular for advocating a dialogue with the rebels as if they enjoy a legitimacy on par with Kyiv.

Maybe they’re waiting for the completion of the Death Star…

268 Alyosha  Jul 6, 2014 7:22:31am

re: #267 Alyosha

I read in an article somewhere that the Ukrainian govt has expressed dissatisfaction with what I believed was referred to as Euro-pacifism, singling out Germany in particular for advocating a dialogue with the rebels as if they enjoy a legitimacy on par with Kyiv.

Maybe they’re waiting for the completion of the Death Star…

But since when have the Imperials had anything to do with rebel scum of any kind?

Okay, I’ll stop now :)

269 Lidane  Jul 6, 2014 7:23:56am

re: #266 Eventual Carrion

Wasn’t he looking to the sheriff as the last word on things early on in the stupidity?

That was before the sheriff remembered that the feds trump his authority.

270 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 7:27:38am

re: #269 Lidane

That was before the sheriff remembered that the feds trump his authority.

Which the county atty probably reminded him.

271 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2014 7:28:09am

re: #267 Alyosha

I read in an article somewhere that the Ukrainian govt has expressed dissatisfaction with what I believed was referred to as Euro-pacifism, singling out Germany in particular for advocating a dialogue with the rebels as if they enjoy a legitimacy on par with Kyiv.

Maybe they’re waiting for the completion of the Death Star…

Heh. I’m picturing Angela Merkel saying to Putin, “As you can see, my young apprentice President Putin, your friends have failed. Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL battle station!”

272 Alyosha  Jul 6, 2014 7:32:28am

re: #271 Dr Lizardo

Heh. I’m picturing Angela Merkel saying to Putin, “As you can see, my young apprentice President Putin, your friends have failed. Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL battle station!”

Hahaha!

Having difficulty picturing Putin as a nervous Luke and Merkel under that hood but still…

Fuck that scene in ‘Jedi’ rules, even if the film suffers in direction overall.

273 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 7:32:32am

From a meeting in Donetsk right now:

See any young faces? That’s basically your Tea Party gone wild.

274 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 7:32:59am

Holy crap!

275 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 7:34:47am

re: #273 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

From a meeting in Donetsk right now:

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See any young faces? That’s basically your Tea Party gone wild.

Teehee! “Flags for every taste can not be said about the age categories.”

276 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2014 7:36:19am

re: #272 Alyosha

Hahaha!

Having difficulty picturing Putin as a nervous Luke and Merkel under that hood but still…

Fuck that scene in ‘Jedi’ rules, even if the film suffers in direction overall.

Originally, Steven Spielberg was approached by Lucas to direct ROTJ, but Spielberg is a member of the Director’s Guild, and Lucas had quit the DG over the issue of fines regarding the opening credits of the Star Wars films.

Imagine Spielberg, in the early 80s, fresh off Jaws, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, E.T. and Raiders of the Lost Ark…..directing Return of the Jedi.

It would’ve been utterly epic.

277 Alyosha  Jul 6, 2014 7:36:20am

re: #273 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Operation American Spring is so envious right now.

278 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 7:37:54am

re: #273 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

From a meeting in Donetsk right now:

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See any young faces? That’s basically your Tea Party gone wild.

Looks like everyone there remembers the USSR…

279 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 7:38:47am

re: #277 Alyosha

Don’t compare these naive, elderly people brainwashed by propaganda to … wait, never mind.

280 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 7:42:49am

Report: Iranian pilot killed defending Shi’ite Muslim holy sites in neighboring Iraq, Iran’s state news agency says, in 1st official report of an Iranian death related to an upsurge in violence there since June - @Reuters
End of alert

281 Alyosha  Jul 6, 2014 7:42:50am

re: #276 Dr Lizardo

Originally, Steven Spielberg was approached by Lucas to direct ROTJ, but Spielberg is a member of the Director’s Guild, and Lucas had quit the DG over the issue of fines regarding the opening credits of the Star Wars films.

Imagine Spielberg, in the early 80s, fresh off Jaws, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, E.T. and Raiders of the Lost Ark…..directing Return of the Jedi.

It would’ve been utterly epic.

I didn’t know any of that. Wow.

George Lucas did heaps for the revolution in special effects that made the Star Wars franchise so important to cinematography but he screwed it up in nearly every other aspect.

In terms of script-writing, the Clone Wars animated spinoff series eclipses anything Lucas created after ‘Empire’.

I really hope in Disney’s hands Star Wars gets better.

A sentence I thought I’d never type, let alone think.

282 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 7:43:28am

re: #274 Justanotherhuman

Picture of fire. It’s on the above ground section of the line.

Image: Br3JdsbCYAAUKIS.jpg

283 darthstar  Jul 6, 2014 7:43:29am
284 Alyosha  Jul 6, 2014 7:45:44am

re: #279 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Don’t compare these naive, elderly people brainwashed by propaganda to … wait, never mind.

Even the flags are basically the same haha

285 Lidane  Jul 6, 2014 7:46:44am

re: #283 darthstar

Almond milk is your friend. Or coconut milk. I’ve found that I like them better.

Blue Diamond makes an almond/coconut blend that’s really good. I get the vanilla one which is great.

286 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 7:47:51am

re: #283 darthstar

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I like almond milk instead. Use it on my cereal and drink it.

287 darthstar  Jul 6, 2014 7:48:41am
288 darthstar  Jul 6, 2014 7:50:18am

re: #285 Lidane

Almond milk is your friend. Or coconut milk. I’ve found that I like them better.

Blue Diamond makes an almond/coconut blend that’s really good. I get the vanilla one which is great.

Those are too sweet for me.

289 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2014 7:52:39am

re: #281 Alyosha

I didn’t know any of that. Wow.

George Lucas did heaps for the revolution in special effects that made the Star Wars franchise so important to cinematography but he screwed it up in nearly every other aspect.

In terms of script-writing, the Clone Wars animated spinoff series eclipses anything Lucas created after ‘Empire’.

I really hope in Disney’s hands Star Wars gets better.

A sentence I thought I’d never type, let alone think.

Yep. It’s from here:

We at Cracked present to you Revenge of the Jedi directed by Steven Fucking Spielberg. Yep, that’s who we would have gotten had it not been for Lucas’ dispute with the union. And we’re talking 1982 Spielberg, a man in the middle of a run that included Raiders of the Lost Ark, Poltergeist, and Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

Try to wrap your mind around how awesome this would’ve been: Yoda’s death was nearly staged by the same man who shot E.T. The rancor was almost handed to the same man who directed Jurassic Park. The Battle of Endor and the attack on the shield generator were nearly captured by the same dude who won an Oscar for Saving Private Ryan.

Oh, and the sarlacc battle, and with it Boba Fett’s painfully disappointing death? That was nearly storyboarded, choreographed, and lodged into Star Wars lore by the same Steven Spielberg who directed (the famous truck) fight in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

There are no words in English to describe the awesomeness that might have been.

cracked.com

290 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 7:53:44am

re: #288 darthstar

Those are too sweet for me.

Some of my friends in China have soybean milk machines to make fresh soymilk for their breakfast. There are also instant soymilk powders available. Just add hot water.

I wonder if they’re available Stateside.

291 Ryan King  Jul 6, 2014 7:54:32am

re: #284 Alyosha

Even the flags are basically the same haha

Imagine my surprise there Murica! Fuck Yeah! can be translated into Ukrainian.

Murica ебать да

So can Founding Fathers

Батьки-засновники

Same shit, different country. Yikes.

292 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 7:55:40am

re: #283 darthstar

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The brand “Eden” should give you a clue. It did, in fact, start out as a co-op, back in the day, but Michael Potter found that making a profit was better than cooperation.

Infant formula charges

“In 1988 CEO Michael Potter was charged and later served jail time for misrepresenting Edensoy soy milk as an infant formula. The suit was brought after a Canadian infant developed a rare eye and bone disorder as a result of vitamin deficiency from being fed the product.[13][14][15]
Employee healthcare

“In March 2013, Eden Foods filed suit against the Obama administration seeking an exemption from the mandate to cover contraception for its employees under the Affordable Care Act.[16] According to the company’s CEO Michael Potter, providing access to contraceptives would violate his beliefs as a Catholic.[17] Eden Foods lost its suit in both the District Court and the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals (Eden v. Sebelius), [18]and appealed to the Supreme Court. The Burwell v. Hobby Lobby decision by the US Supreme Court on 30 June 2014 overrules the lower courts. The next day, the Supreme Court agreed to hear the case, Eden Foods v. Burwell.”[19]

en.wikipedia.org.

293 Alyosha  Jul 6, 2014 7:56:56am

re: #278 Justanotherhuman

Looks like everyone there remembers the USSR…

From what I’ve learned since this crisis began, given all the upheaval and depression that resulted from the breakup of the USSR I can understand the nostalgia of the older generations for the security and purpose that a strong union with Russia provided, I just don’t know how much of it is the same reactionary feeling and false remembrance that governs the actions of the Tea Party. My guess is that the comparison is apt but my ignorance on the details wins out at this point.

My guess is that, like the Tea Party, the individuals participating aren’t fully aware of what the real actor’s motives and endgame is and that it’s ultimately against their best interest.

294 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 7:59:00am

re: #288 darthstar

Those are too sweet for me.

Blue Diamond makes a vanilla almond that is 38% less sugar. It’s what I use, and I don’t find it very sweet at all. You could also try the plain almond. : )

295 Alyosha  Jul 6, 2014 8:02:19am

re: #289 Dr Lizardo

Yep. It’s from here:

There are no words in English to describe the awesomeness that might have been.

cracked.com

I take solace from the fact that in the Expanded Universe, now made defunct, that Boba Fett survived the sarlacc encounter.

Given the massive merchandising opportunities, I daresay we haven’t seen the last of Mr. Fett.

296 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 8:04:14am

Latest on the Beijing subway fire is that the fire was not on board a train, but in a warehouse outside the line. Subway operations around the Xizhimen station were halted. The fire is out. Apparently there were no casualties, and operations will resume after a safety inspection.

297 Gus  Jul 6, 2014 8:14:55am

Made CBS News. And now, the first response.

298 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 8:18:24am

re: #297 Gus

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Bullshit response to CBS.

It’s all about race.

299 Alyosha  Jul 6, 2014 8:19:43am

re: #289 Dr Lizardo

Yep. It’s from here:

There are no words in English to describe the awesomeness that might have been.

cracked.com

Scrumtrulescent?

300 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 6, 2014 8:21:31am

Ben, if the only thing you can say about the horrific murder of an innocent kid is “it make Teh Juice look bad” You are a Horrible Human Being.

301 Eventual Carrion  Jul 6, 2014 8:23:17am

re: #297 Gus

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“It’s not about race”

Then what policy is Ni66er? I hear that a lot from down the bar in many places here about the ni66er in the white house and that is about the extent of the discussion it seems, so according to that comment ni66er must be a policy that they are against.

302 EmmaAnne  Jul 6, 2014 8:23:33am

re: #276 Dr Lizardo

Originally, Steven Spielberg was approached by Lucas to direct ROTJ, but Spielberg is a member of the Director’s Guild, and Lucas had quit the DG over the issue of fines regarding the opening credits of the Star Wars films.

Imagine Spielberg, in the early 80s, fresh off Jaws, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, E.T. and Raiders of the Lost Ark…..directing Return of the Jedi.

It would’ve been utterly epic.

Could’ve gone horribly wrong, though. Spielberg also directed the almost unwatchable “Temple of Doom”. Imagine scene after scene of Leia screeching hysterically. :-(

303 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 6, 2014 8:24:14am
304 Gus  Jul 6, 2014 8:24:57am
305 Alyosha  Jul 6, 2014 8:26:31am

re: #291 Ryan King

Murrieta! Fuck yeah!

306 sagehen  Jul 6, 2014 8:26:34am

re: #232 Justanotherhuman

That’s an excellent piece by Ornstein.

“The tax-avoidance scheme you have chosen is known as an ‘inversion.’ It involves buying a competitor, Covidien, for a premium price of $43 billion and then taking its legal headquarters in Dublin as your own. In reality, Covidien is no more Irish than Medtronic. The majority of the sales, employees, and profits (properly calculated) of both companies are still in the United States. The only reason Covidien has its legal address in Ireland is that its previous home, Bermuda, was so transparent a tax dodge that better cover was needed when the company was spun off from Tyco International in 2007.”

I’d like if companies whose headquarters, banking and tax-status aren’t American… couldn’t be bought and sold through the American Stock Exchange.

307 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 8:28:34am

How bad must a movie be that people will pay good money for to escape reality for a couple of hours?

‘Transformers: Age of Extinction’ becomes 1st summer movie to hold onto the No. 1 spot at the box office, bringing in an estimated $53 million over July 4 weekend - @TheWrap
Read more on thewrap.com

And I have a lot more respect for Hugo Weaving than I do that rightwing schlockmaster, Michael Bay.

collider.com

308 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 8:28:41am

re: #221 FemNaziBitch

Humidity up, Temperature Down AND it looks like rain in my part of the world.

I feel like crap and I’m on my first cuppa.

you?

Allergies kicking my ass this morning. Slept in and drinking tea. Feline overlords (well the tuxedo cat) upset at the level of service this morning.

309 Bubblehead II  Jul 6, 2014 8:29:13am

re: #297 Gus

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Naren @CutGovtSpending
Follow

@CBSNews People oppose Obama b/c of his policies like illegally spying on Americans w/ warrants by his #NSA. It’s not about race
9:02 AM - 6 Jul 2014

Logic isn’t exactly this individuals strong point is it?

310 Alyosha  Jul 6, 2014 8:30:07am

re: #307 Justanotherhuman

How bad must a movie be that people will pay good money for to escape reality for a couple of hours?

‘Transformers: Age of Extinction’ becomes 1st summer movie to hold onto the No. 1 spot at the box office, bringing in an estimated $53 million over July 4 weekend - @TheWrap
Read more on thewrap.com

And I have a lot more respect for Hugo Weaving than I do that rightwing schlockmaster, Michael Bay.

collider.com

Depends on how bad your grasp on geography is.

311 darthstar  Jul 6, 2014 8:32:42am
312 Eventual Carrion  Jul 6, 2014 8:33:40am

re: #309 Bubblehead II

Naren @CutGovtSpending
Follow

@CBSNews People oppose Obama b/c of his policies like illegally spying on Americans w/ warrants by his #NSA. It’s not about race
9:02 AM - 6 Jul 2014

Logic isn’t exactly this individuals strong point is it?

The people who opposed it when Bush got it going and are mad that the president has kept it going, I am willing to cut some slack on the matter. The ones that are now so against this “overreach” that were just dandy with it during Bush term, they can go fuck off.

314 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 8:35:15am

re: #308 Feline Fearless Leader

Allergies kicking my ass this morning. Slept in and drinking tea. Feline overlords (well the tuxedo cat) upset at the level of service this morning.

You have ruled out the FOLs as the source of your misery, I hope? I’m allergic to cats, not all the time, but when they’ve invaded the furniture and rugs at people’s houses, I know it very well.

315 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 8:37:35am

re: #265 Dr Lizardo

LOL

If the German Army really had Imperial superweapons at their disposal (notice the Death Star II towards the end of the vid), I think most of the world would be shitting bricks right about now.

Or kissing ass so furiously the world would run out of Chap Stick.

Maybe France was lucky losing that game the other day…
O_o

316 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 8:39:39am

re: #276 Dr Lizardo

Originally, Steven Spielberg was approached by Lucas to direct ROTJ, but Spielberg is a member of the Director’s Guild, and Lucas had quit the DG over the issue of fines regarding the opening credits of the Star Wars films.

Imagine Spielberg, in the early 80s, fresh off Jaws, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, E.T. and Raiders of the Lost Ark…..directing Return of the Jedi.

It would’ve been utterly epic.

Until they CGI’d the stormtroopers blasters into flashlights in an edited versions.
///

317 sagehen  Jul 6, 2014 8:40:12am

re: #301 Eventual Carrion

“It’s not about race”

Then what policy is Ni66er? I hear that a lot from down the bar in many places here about the ni66er in the white house and that is about the extent of the discussion it seems, so according to that comment ni66er must be a policy that they are against.

Around these parts, we prefer the word Ni-CLANG!! (from “Blazing Saddles”)

318 Varek Raith  Jul 6, 2014 8:40:52am

re: #317 sagehen

Around these parts, we prefer the word Ni-CLANG!! (from “Blazing Saddles”)

Youtube Video

319 Ryan King  Jul 6, 2014 8:46:01am

re: #300 Pie-onist Overlord

Shapiro got his PHD in trolling.

It has become quite apparent that seemingly smart people will spend a lot of time and money to get high fallutin prestigious educations and work histories to merely become more sophisticated childish trolls.

All that time, money, and intellect to not the world a better place and help people, but to be more agile in The Game.

They really aren’t right in the head.

320 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 8:46:29am

re: #314 Justanotherhuman

You have ruled out the FOLs as the source of your misery, I hope? I’m allergic to cats, not all the time, but when they’ve invaded the furniture and rugs at people’s houses, I know it very well.

I was tested for allergies a few times. Mild allergy to cat dander, but less than my reaction to mold, dust mites, grass, grass pollen, tree pollen, and ragweed. So when it goes over the top into an outright allergy attack it’s probably a combination of factors at play. Apartment is due for a good vacuuming in the next couple of days. And, I suspect, I got downwind of something I particularly react to yesterday while shopping in a garden/landscape store.

On the plus side I got hold of a 25lb bag of sand - and the fungus gnat breeding grounds are now a desert.

321 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 8:51:51am

re: #319 Ryan King

Shapiro got his PHD in trolling.

It has become quite apparent that seemingly smart people will spend a lot of time and money to get high fallutin prestigious educations and work histories to merely become more sophisticated childish trolls.

All that time, money, and intellect to not the world a better place and help people, but to be more agile in The Game.

They really aren’t right in the head.

I think you’ve described most libertarians, there.

322 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 8:54:06am

re: #293 Alyosha

From what I’ve learned since this crisis began, given all the upheaval and depression that resulted from the breakup of the USSR I can understand the nostalgia of the older generations for the security and purpose that a strong union with Russia provided, I just don’t know how much of it is the same reactionary feeling and false remembrance that governs the actions of the Tea Party. My guess is that the comparison is apt but my ignorance on the details wins out at this point.

My guess is that, like the Tea Party, the individuals participating aren’t fully aware of what the real actor’s motives and endgame is and that it’s ultimately against their best interest.

It’s Soviet nostalgia + the fear of “Western decadence” (you can imagine what it includes) fueled, among other things, by certain religious beliefs + imperialistic mindset (but this can be subsumed into the nostalgia part).

323 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 8:54:51am

Got some photos to dump on the Lizards. My first attempt at photography on fireworks. Stabilized the camera so that pressing the button would not shake it (much). Got it pointed over towards the Art Museum and took a few calibration shots. Then waited a few hours until the fireworks started. Took about 70-80 shots - and then tossed about half of them right away.

Sunset - art museum in right foreground

I have the impression that still photography of fireworks might be one of the more difficult subjects. Low light conditions, bright objects, and fast moving. So you have conflicts towards exposure times in trying to catch action while not wanting to get washed out by the brightness of the firework. (And these are auto setting pictures - I have not started playing with manual setting for attempting this, though I expect that doing something there would get better results.)

324 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 8:54:51am

re: #320 Feline Fearless Leader

Do you run the A/C or keep your windows open to the outside? Check your A/C filters and clean ‘em. In fact, have the ducting checked for mold and mildew if possible.

Air purifiers can help, but getting an effective one is a challenge. Many make promises but don’t deliver on them very well.

325 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 8:56:44am

re: #324 wheat-dogghazi

Do you run the A/C or keep your windows open to the outside? Check your A/C filters and clean ‘em. In fact, have the ducting checked for mold and mildew if possible.

Air purifiers can help, but getting an effective one is a challenge. Many make promises but don’t deliver on them very well.

Windows were open the other day - which could have been a factor. Getting the A/C filter changed is a building maintenance task, and something I can bring up with them.

Will also look into doing something for better circulation within the apartment. Only one fan doing that right now (when the A/C system is not kicked on and helping). Would love a ceiling fan in here, but getting one installed is a major pain in the ass paperwork-wise with the apartment management.

326 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 8:57:40am

re: #322 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Plus, for many, a toxic dose of Russian nationalism (whether ethnic or state).

327 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 8:58:53am

re: #323 Feline Fearless Leader

You need a good tripod or small sand bag to prop the camera on, and a remote shutter release. My Nikon uses an IR trigger, which eliminates the shaking from pressing the shutter button.

Shooting fireworks is a real challenge. I have better luck shooting manually than relying on the camera’s auto mode. Even so, most of the shots are trash.

328 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 8:58:54am

Wait, what? She has just defended the murder as retaliation?

329 Skip Intro  Jul 6, 2014 8:59:06am

re: #304 Gus

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Those two shitheads are on the Sunday talk shows again?

There really is no reason for these shows to exist any longer if all they do is bring the same people back again week after week after week.

330 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 9:00:38am

re: #329 Skip Intro

Those two shitheads are on the Sunday talk shows again?

There really is no reason for these shows to exist any longer if all they do is bring the same people back again week after week after week.

Maybe no one else is interested in showing up.

331 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 9:01:49am

re: #327 wheat-dogghazi

You need a good tripod or small sand bag to prop the camera on, and a remote shutter release. My Nikon uses an IR trigger, which eliminates the shaking from pressing the shutter button.

Shooting fireworks is a real challenge. I have better luck shooting manually than relying on the camera’s auto mode. Even so, most of the shots are trash.

Using a remote would have been a good idea. Have one and didn’t think of it. The last photo I posted is an interesting failure since the shake made a more interesting pattern than a straight shot.

And overall I think I prefer doing the outdoors stuff and macro shots of flowers and such. :)

332 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 9:01:53am

re: #320 Feline Fearless Leader

I was tested for allergies a few times. Mild allergy to cat dander, but less than my reaction to mold, dust mites, grass, grass pollen, tree pollen, and ragweed. So when it goes over the top into an outright allergy attack it’s probably a combination of factors at play. Apartment is due for a good vacuuming in the next couple of days. And, I suspect, I got downwind of something I particularly react to yesterday while shopping in a garden/landscape store.

On the plus side I got hold of a 25lb bag of sand - and the fungus gnat breeding grounds are now a desert.

I hope you don’t live close to a body of water. It’s so bad here at the lake that mold gets into new construction as one agent told me at Lowe’s as she purchased a gallon of paint to cover up bleed through in a new house. Once it gets into the sheetrock, you might as well tear it down, but they didn’t.

333 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 9:02:58am

re: #325 Feline Fearless Leader

Windows were open the other day - which could have been a factor. Getting the A/C filter changed is a building maintenance task, and something I can bring up with them.

Will also look into doing something for better circulation within the apartment. Only one fan doing that right now (when the A/C system is not kicked on and helping). Would love a ceiling fan in here, but getting one installed is a major pain in the ass paperwork-wise with the apartment management.

Also, have you tried a dehumidifier?

334 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 9:03:00am
335 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 9:04:23am

re: #325 Feline Fearless Leader

Vacuum the A/C vents really well, too. When my allergies were bad, I had to run the A/C at home just to be comfortable breathing.

It’s one aspect of living in the Ohio Valley that I do not miss at all.

336 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 9:04:28am

re: #333 Justanotherhuman

Also, have you tried a dehumidifier?

A/C takes care of that while running. And given the temps in Philly in the summer the A/C runs a lot.

337 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 9:06:04am

Residents of Slavyansk are getting humanitarian aid
Peaceful residents of Slavyansk are being massacred by the bloodthirsty Nazi-Ukrainian goons!

338 Gus  Jul 6, 2014 9:07:26am
339 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 9:08:24am

Minor foodie thing. I mentioned going mushroom picking last week - we have photos!

The subjects - in the raw

Black Trumpet mushrooms

Side view

Bottom view - note lack of “gills”

340 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2014 9:08:32am

re: #337 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Don’t they see how utterly ridiculous their propaganda is when it can be doublechecked almost instantaneously on the internet? Are the NP’s and the Novorossiya boosters really so ideologically blind that they won’t even bother to see if they’re being fed total BS?

341 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 9:08:38am

re: #338 Gus

VDHack.

342 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 6, 2014 9:09:11am

re: #340 Dr Lizardo

Most Russians get their news from TV.

343 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 9:11:17am

re: #338 Gus

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Obama pretty much stayed out of the Middle East peace process thing his first term. I had hoped he was going to avoid the traditional morass of an administration thinking they could “fix” it.

And I presume VDH just says that Obama “claimed victory” and does not to actually back it up. In other words, he constructs the strawman to base his hack argument against.

344 Varek Raith  Jul 6, 2014 9:11:32am

re: #338 Gus

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BINGO

345 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 9:12:15am

re: #339 Feline Fearless Leader

Minor foodie thing. I mentioned going mushroom picking last week - we have photos!

The subjects - in the raw

[Embedded image]Black Trumpet mushrooms

[Embedded image]Side view

[Embedded image]Bottom view - note lack of “gills”

I would probably pick the poisonous ones…

Those look great, though. : )

346 sattv4u2  Jul 6, 2014 9:13:49am

re: #344 Varek Raith

BINGO

YAHTZEE!!!

347 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 9:14:45am

re: #345 Justanotherhuman

I would probably pick the poisonous ones…

Those look great, though. : )

Those got used in small omelets on Sunday morning. My brother had picked a whole quart of the gold chantrelles on Thursday. Those were cleaned and frozen for use in soup later in the year.

The black trumpets have a very earthy taste. The chantrelles are more delicately flavored, but have a very nice texture.

348 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 9:17:42am

Hmm, fireworks, mushrooms; so time for some military stuff. ;)

Snowbirds and F-18s.

Standard museum bit of putting planes upside down on the ceiling.

F-18a RCAF Hornet

349 sattv4u2  Jul 6, 2014 9:18:32am

re: #343 Feline Fearless Leader

Obama pretty much stayed out of the Middle East peace process thing his first term. I had hoped he was going to avoid the traditional morass of an administration thinking they could “fix” it.

And I presume VDH just says that Obama “claimed victory” and does not to actually back it up. In other words, he constructs the strawman to base his hack argument against.

iirc, Biden said something in 2010 to the affect that Iraq was a great achievement of the administration and Obama stated that we were leaving them (the Iraqis) as stable and self reliant.

((didn’t read the VDH editorial, but he could be referring to those two statements)))

350 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 9:18:40am

re: #348 Feline Fearless Leader

Is the upside down one a trainer?

351 sattv4u2  Jul 6, 2014 9:19:17am

re: #350 wheat-dogghazi

Is the upside down one a trainer?

No

The one half way through the wall (not pictured) is!!!

//

352 darthstar  Jul 6, 2014 9:19:20am

re: #346 sattv4u2

YAHTZEE!!!

YOU SANK MY BATTLESHIP!

353 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 9:19:33am

Tried the homemade hummus on my turkey burger w/tomato, onion and b&b pickles. Excellent!

Also, keep seeing a blue butterfly on the balcony for the last few days. Very much like this one:

354 sattv4u2  Jul 6, 2014 9:20:04am

heh

After almost 2 weeks of being off I almost forgot how long and quiet the long quiet drive home from work is

This morning ,,,,,a reminder!!!

355 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 9:20:42am

And I’ve been negligent about the ground-pounding stuff from the Canadian War Museum in Ottawa.

Pz V A (Panther)

356 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 6, 2014 9:20:52am

re: #350 wheat-dogghazi

Is the upside down one a trainer?

Canadair CT-114 Tutor

357 sattv4u2  Jul 6, 2014 9:21:33am

re: #352 darthstar

YOU SANK MY BATTLESHIP!

re: #352 darthstar

YOU SANK MY BATTLESHIP!

Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200

358 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 9:22:49am

re: #350 wheat-dogghazi

Is the upside down one a trainer?

Yes.
en.wikipedia.org

359 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 6, 2014 9:25:15am

re: #356 Shiplord Kirel

Canadair CT-114 Tutor

Thanks. The side-by-side cockpit arrangement was the giveaway.

360 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 9:26:21am

re: #359 wheat-dogghazi

Thanks. The side-by-side cockpit arrangement was the giveaway.

That gets used in some 2-seat strike aircraft. A-6 Intruder for instance.

361 darthstar  Jul 6, 2014 9:27:14am

re: #357 sattv4u2

Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200

Monopoly should have been a red flag for me financially. I’d pass Go, collect $200, and it’d be gone by the time I got to Water Works.

362 Ryan King  Jul 6, 2014 9:27:53am

re: #341 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

VDHack.

I’m still ashamed I thought he had something intelligent to say some time ago.

This is a thought that frequently comes to my mind as I still listen to talk radio which is vast majority right wing. I know that I’ve changed, a lot. But it appears that many ideologues have changed as well. So I’m wondering if we’ve all changed: them patronizing to their base for increased marketshare and profits while at the same time I moved a different direction.

It appears Micheal Medved is more virulent compared to what I thought he was earlier, maybe the same for Prager.

Then again maybe the bookishness and politeness covered for the fact that their intellectualism was just as putrid as it appears now. Same goes for VDH: he comes off soft spoken and polite, studios, sounds like he’s smart. But the actual ideas are base, not original, and basically that same old stuff.

363 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 9:32:12am

re: #362 Ryan King

I’m still ashamed I thought he had something intelligent to say some time ago.

This is a thought that frequently comes to my mind as I still listen to talk radio which is vast majority right wing. I know that I’ve changed, a lot. But it appears that many ideologues have changed as well. So I’m wondering if we’ve all changed: them patronizing to their base for increased marketshare and profits while at the same time I moved a different direction.

It appears Micheal Medved is more virulent compared to what I thought he was earlier, maybe the same for Prager.

Then again maybe the bookishness and politeness covered for the fact that their intellectualism was just as putrid as it appears now. Same goes for VDH: he comes off soft spoken and polite, studios, sounds like he’s smart. But the actual ideas are base, not original, and basically that same old stuff.

I hate to go all Godwin, but many of the Nazis were quite intellectual, as were fascists in other countries as well. Yes, it was a different era, but self-ascribed intellectualism plays right into the superiority thing.

364 sattv4u2  Jul 6, 2014 9:32:22am

re: #361 darthstar

Monopoly should have been a red flag for me financially. I’d pass Go, collect $200, and it’d be gone by the time I got to Water Works.

That’s because you thought it was a bar!

(“Yeah,,, give me a double bourbon with water chaser,,, and keep the change”)

365 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 9:32:30am

OK. I thought these were interesting as well.

Staghound and a rusty Valentine

Staghound

Staghound was a WW2 armored car design I was not that familiar with. Turns out to be a US design that was not used by the US Army (who used the M-8 Greyhound family.) The Canadians used them as they liked a heavier armored vehicle to supplement the lighter UK-made armored cars they also used.

Valentine

The other vehicle is a UK designed “infantry tank”, with this one license built in Canada. This was the infantry tank design between the Matilda and the larger Churchill. It was not considered that successful due to a small turret ring (preventing mounting of heavier guns), slow speed, and some maintenance related issues.

Why this sample is interesting though

366 b_sharp  Jul 6, 2014 9:33:21am

re: #350 wheat-dogghazi

Is the upside down one a trainer?

They used to fly over me all the time and the Snowbird aerobatics team still use them. The RCAF uses different trainers now. They also train EU pilots here.

367 sagehen  Jul 6, 2014 9:34:23am

re: #339 Feline Fearless Leader

Minor foodie thing. I mentioned going mushroom picking last week - we have photos!

The subjects - in the raw

[Embedded image]Black Trumpet mushrooms

[Embedded image]Side view

[Embedded image]Bottom view - note lack of “gills”

You go mushroom picking and come back with no psilicyb cubensis? What a waste.

368 b_sharp  Jul 6, 2014 9:34:28am

re: #351 sattv4u2

No

The one half way through the wall (not pictured) is!!!

//

Not too many walls for them to hit out here.

369 b_sharp  Jul 6, 2014 9:35:52am

re: #357 sattv4u2

Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200

Why did you quote it twice?

Why did you quote it twice?

370 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 9:38:34am
371 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 9:38:49am

re: #368 b_sharp

Not too many walls for them to hit out here.

How about this museum in Eldred, PA?

I guess this is what you call a conversation piece?

No additional comment on a WW2 museum having a M551 Sheridan (Vietnam era) coming out of its wall.

372 sattv4u2  Jul 6, 2014 9:42:09am

re: #369 b_sharp

Why did you quote it twice?

Why did you quote it twice?

I hit “quote”,,,, got distracted,, forgot I hit “quote”, so I hit ‘quote again, then typed my reply

373 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 9:44:12am

re: #372 sattv4u2

I hit “quote”,,,, got distracted,, forgot I hit “quote”, so I hit ‘quote again, the typed my reply

Is the penalty that you have to do the long quiet drive home twice?

374 sattv4u2  Jul 6, 2014 9:45:00am

re: #370 Justanotherhuman

[Embedded content]

That’s a rough area in that town

375 sattv4u2  Jul 6, 2014 9:46:08am

re: #373 Feline Fearless Leader

Is the penalty that you have to do the long quiet drive home twice?

Worse

I have to stick my head out the window and sing all the way to work tonight!!!!

((worse part is trying to get the bugs out of my teeth later))

376 b_sharp  Jul 6, 2014 9:49:25am

re: #371 Feline Fearless Leader

How about this museum in Eldred, PA?

I guess this is what you call a conversation piece?

No additional comment on a WW2 museum having a M551 Sheridan (Vietnam era) coming out of its wall.

We’re more likely to see this.
Hot Stuff

There’s a whole lot of nothing to hit here.

377 b_sharp  Jul 6, 2014 9:49:58am

re: #372 sattv4u2

I hit “quote”,,,, got distracted,, forgot I hit “quote”, so I hit ‘quote again, then typed my reply

Funny how easy you are to dis…SQUIRREL!

378 Killgore Trout  Jul 6, 2014 9:51:44am

You know who else loves the Hobby Lobby ruling? Al Qaeda….
Gitmo detainees’ lawyers invoke Hobby Lobby decision in court filing

I don’t really doubt the lawyers may have used the ruling in a court filing but I strongly suspect the hysteria is way overblown. They aren’t American citizens and they aren’t technically in America. I’m not sure what the latest developments are but I don’t think they’re in the civilian judicial system. The American Taliban alliance is overestimated.

379 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 9:52:07am

re: #376 b_sharp

We’re more likely to see this.
Hot Stuff

There’s a whole lot of nothing to hit here.

Well, unless there is a US army training ground nearby you probably don’t want to see tanks running through buildings and across fields near home.

380 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 9:53:28am

re: #374 sattv4u2

That’s a rough area in that town

“rough” as in? Poverty? Drugs? Criminal activities? You really can’t tell by looking. Any idea what that sign is on the porch?

381 sattv4u2  Jul 6, 2014 9:53:48am

Ah well

Time to go lie down and try to adjust my body clock

Day is night, night is day!

382 Killgore Trout  Jul 6, 2014 9:53:58am

Elitist!
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi ridiculed for flashy wristwatch

The Islamic State leader prompts confusion among his followers after appearing in his first public address wearing a wristwatch that resembles an expensive Omega or Rolex

383 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 9:56:19am

re: #378 Killgore Trout

You know who else loves the Hobby Lobby ruling? Al Qaeda….
Gitmo detainees’ lawyers invoke Hobby Lobby decision in court filing

I don’t really doubt the lawyers may have used the ruling in a court filing but I strongly suspect the hysteria is way overblown. They aren’t American citizens and they aren’t technically in America. I’m not sure what the latest developments are but I don’t think they’re in the civilian judicial system. The American Taliban alliance is overestimated.

Um, no. The lawyers are invoking the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA), not the HL decision.

384 sattv4u2  Jul 6, 2014 9:57:19am

re: #380 Justanotherhuman

“rough” as in? Poverty? Drugs? Criminal activities? You really can’t tell by looking. Any idea what that sign is on the porch?

Rough as is yes, all three.

And the sign appears to be a handicap parking sign. Looks as if someone took one off the sidewalk, post and all, and put it on their front steps

385 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 6, 2014 9:57:40am

re: #378 Killgore Trout

You know who else loves the Hobby Lobby ruling? Al Qaeda….
Gitmo detainees’ lawyers invoke Hobby Lobby decision in court filing

I don’t really doubt the lawyers may have used the ruling in a court filing but I strongly suspect the hysteria is way overblown. They aren’t American citizens and they aren’t technically in America. I’m not sure what the latest developments are but I don’t think they’re in the civilian judicial system. The American Taliban alliance is overestimated.

What hysteria? The article was just a dry factual recounting of what’s happening.

386 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 6, 2014 9:58:06am

re: #383 Justanotherhuman

Um, no. The lawyers are invoking the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA), not the HL decision.

That is the Hobby Lobby decision.

387 Dr Lizardo  Jul 6, 2014 9:59:21am

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Elitist!
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi ridiculed for flashy wristwatch

Flashy jewelery like that would more-or-less be considered haram. Ostentatious displays of wealth are a no-no, and a Rolex or an Omega would certainly qualify, and would reek of hypocrisy coming from a so-called “holy man”.

388 Gus  Jul 6, 2014 9:59:24am

“Hobby Lobby makes clear that all persons - human and corporate, citizen and foreigner, resident and alien - enjoy the special religious free exercise protections of the RFRA,”

389 darthstar  Jul 6, 2014 9:59:58am

re: #386 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

That is the Hobby Lobby decision.

At least the decision is narrow in scope and won’t open up a can of worms legally.
/

390 Killgore Trout  Jul 6, 2014 10:00:09am

re: #383 Justanotherhuman

Um, no. The lawyers are invoking the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA), not the HL decision.

The article is click bait. Al Jazz makes the connection to Hobby Lobby because it’s a hot topic guaranteed to drive traffic.

391 darthstar  Jul 6, 2014 10:00:30am

re: #388 Gus

“Hobby Lobby makes clear that all persons - human and corporate, citizen and foreigner, resident and alien - enjoy the special religious free exercise protections of the RFRA,”

See? Totally narrow interpretation, just like Scalia said it would be.

392 Killgore Trout  Jul 6, 2014 10:01:28am

re: #387 Dr Lizardo

Flashy jewelery like that would more-or-less be considered haram. Ostentatious displays of wealth are a no-no, and a Rolex or an Omega would certainly qualify, and would reek of hypocrisy coming from a so-called “holy man”.

Meh. I dig Pope Francis but he still lives in a castle. Even the Dali Lama doesn’t fly coach. So it goes.

393 darthstar  Jul 6, 2014 10:03:10am

re: #390 Killgore Trout

The article is click bait. Al Jazz makes the connection to Hobby Lobby because it’s a hot topic guaranteed to drive traffic.

You’ve just got your panties in a twist because it’s Al Jazeera.

394 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 6, 2014 10:03:36am

re: #390 Killgore Trout

The article is click bait. Al Jazz makes the connection to Hobby Lobby because it’s a hot topic guaranteed to drive traffic.

No, the connection is the legal one: They are making this argument based on the new definition of ‘person’ decided upon by the Supreme Court in reference to the RFRA. The claim may prove to be upheld or struck down in court, but the Hobby Lobby decision is the actual basis of the suit.

DId you not bother to read the article, or just invent some fictional, hysteria-filled article?

395 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 10:04:50am

re: #386 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

That is the Hobby Lobby decision.

Based on the same act, applied differently.

I could see the Gitmo prisoners being a better class of plaintiff than a corporation and while they may not be citizens, they’re being held on American soil.

396 darthstar  Jul 6, 2014 10:04:52am

re: #394 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

No, the connection is the legal one: They are making this argument based on the new definition of ‘person’ decided upon by the Supreme Court in reference to the RFRA. The claim may prove to be upheld or struck down in court, but the Hobby Lobby decision is the actual basis of the suit.

DId you not bother to read the article, or just invent some fictional, hysterica-filled article?

It’s Al Jazeera. Same first name as Al Qaeda. Don’t you see the pattern?

397 darthstar  Jul 6, 2014 10:05:53am

re: #395 Justanotherhuman

Based on the same act, applied differently.

I could see the Gitmo prisoners being a better class of plaintiff than a corporation and while they may not be citizens, they’re being held on American soil.

Cuban soil, but American controlled. We aren’t exactly leasing that land.

398 Killgore Trout  Jul 6, 2014 10:06:09am

re: #393 darthstar

You’ve just got your panties in a twist because it’s Al Jazeera.

Nope, I don;t think there’s much to it. I just clicked on it because the headline sounded funny and it’s on the Dkos Rec list
Guantanamo Bay Lawyers Invoke Hobby Lobby

Alito assured the world that it simply couldn’t lead to unintended consequences, like exempting blood transfusions, but there was nothing in that “couldn’t.”

Here, we asked “What if a corporation used it for Sharia?” Barring someone attempting to encode outright religious discrimination, this is the world Hobby Lobby created — a pre-1920 world.

399 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 10:06:12am

re: #396 darthstar

It’s Al Jazeera. Same first name as Al Qaeda. Don’t you see the pattern?

Youtube Video

400 b_sharp  Jul 6, 2014 10:07:09am

re: #396 darthstar

It’s Al Jazeera. Same first name as Al Qaeda. Don’t you see the pattern?

Next up Al Bologna

401 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 10:07:13am

re: #391 darthstar

See? Totally narrow interpretation, just like Scalia said it would be.

Something really needs to be done about Citizens United.

Corporations are not people, my friend.

402 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 6, 2014 10:09:24am

Cats are in mid-day nap mode. Good time to go take a walk along the river trail.

403 Justanotherhuman  Jul 6, 2014 10:14:27am

re: #397 darthstar

Cuban soil, but American controlled. We aren’t exactly leasing that land.

As long as Americans are on it, they control whoever else is on it and it is considered American soil, just as an embassy would be in a foreign country.

How Guantanamo Bay Became the Place the U.S. Keeps Detainees

theatlantic.com

“The final chapter on Guantanamo Bay has yet to be written. The treaty remains, a separate bilateral diplomatic issue from the current one that rubs raw both international and domestic critics, and that means the base will likely endure beyond the detention facility. A final disposition on the detention facility needs to be made before any future of the base can even be considered. The U.S’s future relationship with Cuba awaits that decision: termination of the lease remains unviable while detainees remain on Guantanamo Bay. However, the strong chorus of “not in my backyard,” regardless of the international stigma, means President Obama’s commitment to closure is restrained by domestic political realities, regardless of his personal ideals. Divorced from the detention facility, Guantanamo Bay will remain a symbol for Cuban ex-patriates and conservatives who see the base as a planted flag against communism - the last gasp of the Cold War. Guantanamo Bay remains, for the time being, the least worst place.”

404 Gus  Jul 6, 2014 10:16:08am

Kind of amusing how some people always paint others as being hysterical or outraged as a means of debating an issue.

405 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2014 10:16:13am

re: #402 Feline Fearless Leader

Cats are in mid-day nap mode. Good time to go take a walk along the river trail.

407 Gus  Jul 6, 2014 10:17:44am
408 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 6, 2014 10:17:46am

re: #404 Gus

Kind of amusing how some people always paint others as being hysterical or outraged as a means of debating an issue.

Especially in response to completely dry reporting on something that actually happened.

409 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 6, 2014 10:19:16am

re: #406 Gus

It’s actually Alioto’s exact reasoning that’s being used by the Gitmo lawyers:

the results would be absurd if RFRA merely restored this Court’s pre-Smith decisions in ossified form and did not allow a plaintiff to raise a RFRA claim unless that plaintiff fell within a category of plaintiffs one of whom had brought a free-exercise claim that this Court entertained in the years before Smith. For example, we are not aware of any pre-Smith case in which this Court entertained a free-exercise claim brought by a resident noncitizen. Are such persons also beyond RFRA’s protective reach simply because the Court never addressed their rights before Smith?

410 thedopefishlives  Jul 6, 2014 10:22:09am

re: #404 Gus

Kind of amusing how some people always paint others as being hysterical or outraged as a means of debating an issue.

Because the hysterical ones are obviously emotionally invested in the argument, thus, they’re being irrational.

Afternoon Lizardim from the steamy rain forests of the wild north country.

411 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2014 10:33:08am
412 Killgore Trout  Jul 6, 2014 10:36:36am

When reporters rise above politics, they deliver a broader look from the border

What elected officials have to say about a live political issue is news. But in ceding an open platform to the politicians, the story and others like it allowed the focus to shift from the condition in which the children were being held. It also omitted key context, like the problems with past US security interventions within Mexico and a wave of Central American migrant deaths in the South Texas desert—not a sign that migrants thought they would be welcome, or that they found evading the Border Patrol easy.

Lost in the shift to political coverage of the crisis was the considerable information contained in reports published before the issue had taken on political currency, which explained that number of Central American children arriving on the border has been growing in recent years.

These stories provide critical context for understanding and explaining the ongoing conditions and problems already present when the photographs of the conditions for detained children became public. And, when Texas outlets focused on the experiences of migrants, they often delivered strong work with context and through a wider lens that emphasized accountability. -

413 Gus  Jul 6, 2014 10:46:49am

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414 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 6, 2014 10:49:57am
415 bratwurst  Jul 6, 2014 10:55:22am

re: #411 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who in their right mind would write that AND put their own picture directly under the headline?!?!

416 Romantic Heretic  Jul 6, 2014 10:58:42am

re: #355 Feline Fearless Leader

And I’ve been negligent about the ground-pounding stuff from the Canadian War Museum in Ottawa.

Pz V A (Panther)

[Embedded image]

My favourite WWII tank. A bitch to keep maintained though.

417 Killgore Trout  Jul 6, 2014 10:59:30am

re: #414 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

On Social Media, Some Are Susceptible to Internet Outrage

Good article, more people are starting to notice the phenomenon. I highly recommend reading The Outrage Industry: Political Opinion Media and the New Incivility to learn how manipulating the public with simple outrage is used for fun and profit. It was a real eye opener for me and really helped me changed my perspective.

418 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 6, 2014 11:06:07am

re: #417 Killgore Trout

What explains why you called that Al-Jazeera story, which was written incredibly dryly about a real possible outcome from the Hobby Lobby decision ‘hysteria’ and accused them of clickbait for reporting on it?

Was that an example of how often you respond to things with outrage even when they’re not at all outrageous?

419 b_sharp  Jul 6, 2014 11:10:02am

re: #415 bratwurst

Who in their right mind would write that AND put their own picture directly under the headline?!?!

It was a reference to how the rwnjs view Obama. It wasn’t the author’s personal views of Obama, although it was his personal views of what rwnjs think of him.

420 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 6, 2014 11:17:13am

re: #419 b_sharp

It was a reference to how the rwnjs view Obama. It wasn’t the author’s personal views of Obama, although it was his personal views of what rwnjs think of him.

It was a tactically poor decision.

421 b_sharp  Jul 6, 2014 11:19:42am

re: #420 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

It was a tactically poor decision.

very much so.

422 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 6, 2014 11:40:27am

re: #281 Alyosha

I really hope in Disney’s hands Star Wars gets better.

A sentence I thought I’d never type, let alone think.

Amen to both thoughts.

423 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 6, 2014 11:43:45am

re: #360 Feline Fearless Leader

That gets used in some 2-seat strike aircraft. A-6 Intruder for instance.

The low and slow Cessna A-37 “Tweety Bird” was side by side as well (also trainer derived). I’d love one of them as private plane ;)

424 RabbitRunner  Jul 7, 2014 7:39:14pm

Don’t the people in these Latin American countries ever get ashamed that they and their countries won’t take care of their kids, but fob them off on the US

425 RabbitRunner  Jul 7, 2014 7:42:50pm

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

Such a mensch, lets start smuggling the illegals into Canada and they won’t have to be abused by the big bad USA

426 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 7, 2014 7:47:25pm

re: #424 RabbitRunner

Don’t the people in these Latin American countries ever get ashamed that they and their countries won’t take care of their kids, but fob them off on the US

Don’t republican’s get tired of how thier wars to prop up evil dictators are still rat fucking the people of central america yet today? You’d think they’d listen to the Lord and repent, but no, they still revel in the evil that the promote.

427 palomino  Jul 7, 2014 9:13:48pm

re: #424 RabbitRunner

Don’t the people in these Latin American countries ever get ashamed that they and their countries won’t take care of their kids, but fob them off on the US

You sound like Cliven Bundy.

My guess would be that you don’t really know much about Latin America. In place of such knowledge you have strong feelings based on the emotionally charged bullshit that you’ve heard about immigration.

But I could be wrong. Why don’t you enlighten us with your ideas for solutions?

428 Blue Fielder  Jul 7, 2014 9:55:55pm

re: #424 RabbitRunner

Do you ever get ashamed that you’re a small and pathetic person?

(i’d wager the answer is no)

429 Ryan King  Jul 8, 2014 6:07:47am

re: #424 RabbitRunner

Don’t the people in these Latin American countries ever get ashamed that they and their countries won’t take care of their kids, but fob them off on the US

Do you ever get ashamed of saying such ignorant and hateful fuckwittery?

Probably not. Which is your problem.


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Goliath Season 2 - Official Trailer In Season 2 of Goliath, Billy McBride takes on a new case, and the fight spills into the streets of Los Angeles and alleys of Venice Beach.Goliath returns 6/15 on Prime Video. » Stream Goliath 6/15 on Prime Video: ...
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Wild Nothing - Letting Go "Letting Go" is the first single from Wild Nothing's forthcoming album, 'Indigo', out 08/31/2018 on Captured Tracks. Order here: wildnothing.lnk.to Follow Wild Nothing:wildnothingmusic.comwildnothingct.bandcamp.comfacebook.cominstagram.com@WildNothingopen.spotify.com Lyrics:It's getting hard for me to reframe all those shifting memoriesLike a music box that never ...
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Third Circuit Nominee Tries to Walk Back Past Comments, Writing Porter appeared before the Judiciary Committee Wednesday despite not receiving the approval of Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa. Under the tradition known as the blue slip, the committee has in the past declined to schedule hearings for nominees who do ...
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Wrongfully Influencing a Private Entity’s Employment Decisions by The Executive When Donald Trump makes pro administration or pro republican, or anti democratic party demands, he is breaking the law. I invite those with some familiarity with how this is actually supposed to work to chime in. (a) Whoever, being ...
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Starcrawler - I Love LA Taken from the band's debut album 'Starcrawler', out now on Rough Trade Records: rtrecs.co Director: Autumn de WildeExecutive Producer: Eric SternLine Producer: Jessica CooperDirector of Photography: Tim IvesEditor: Miky WolfVFX Supervisor: Ryan SearsVFX Artist: Agnes GunawanMix: Bob Grenmore (Juice ...
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Weezer - AfricaStream + download the song: fanlink.to Upcoming tour dates - weezer.com FOLLOW WEEZER Site: weezer.com Facebook: facebook.com Twitter: twitter.com Instagram: instagram.com Spotify: spoti.fi Store: weezerwebstore.com
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