CDC Finds Smallpox Vials From 1950s; Right Wing Concerned

President Obama; Time Traveler
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The CDC announced that they uncovered several vials of variola during a cleanup of a facility ahead of a move. Variola = smallpox. Smallpox is real bad stuff. In fact, it’s so dangerous that the world actually got together to vaccinate the planet and eliminate smallpox in humans. Protocols were put in place to deal with handling smallpox, and as smallpox was eliminated in the wild, additional protocols were put in place to limit where smallpox could be stored, treated, handled, or maintained. The idea being that no one would be able to get their hands on samples that could be weaponized into a lethal biological weapon.

So, what’s the story here? The CDC found vials that had been sitting around for decades, and no one knew it existed. The vials date to the 1950s.

The vials appear to date back to the 1950s, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which released a statement on Tuesday about the discovery.

Scientists made the discovery when they were preparing to move a lab from the Food and Drug Administration’s Bethesda, Maryland, campus to a different location. The laboratory had been used by the NIH but was transferred to the FDA in 1972. The vials were located in an unused part of a storeroom.

When the scientists found the vials, they immediately put them in a containment lab and on July 1 notified the branch of the government that deals with toxic substances, called the Division of Select Agents and Toxins.

So, apparently the find means it must be Obama’s fault. Or that the CDC had wrong priorities and was pushing gun control or junk food consumption because it took away from finding vials of smallpox that no one appeared to know about for decades (they were all supposed to be either destroyed or contained to either the Atlanta CDC facility or a counterpart in Russia).

That’s right folks. Apparently President Obama and the left wing agenda for promoting healthy lifestyles apparently contributed to a decades-long oversight that was discovered when agencies were being consolidated and moved.

These vials will be scheduled for destruction.

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283 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 5:21:10pm

Rand Simberg, by the way, is the climate change denier who compared climate scientist Michael Mann to child molester Jerry Sandusky.

2 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 5:23:38pm

Promoted!

3 lawhawk  Jul 8, 2014 5:27:40pm

The more loony the claims by the right wing, the more it appears they think that President Obama is Gallifreyan. He must be a Time Lord to be able to do the things he does. Be responsible for decades old mislaid smallpox vials. Etc.

Pretty impressive power at that.

4 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 5:29:46pm
5 sagehen  Jul 8, 2014 5:30:13pm

I got a smallpox vaccination in 1965… is it still good?

6 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 5:30:19pm
7 Swift2991  Jul 8, 2014 5:30:26pm

I wonder, if it was stored in a closet, if the virus would still be dangerous. If not, then Obama is an incompetent evil genius!

8 Single-handed sailor  Jul 8, 2014 5:30:58pm

re: #3 lawhawk

The more loony the claims by the right wing, the more it appears they think that President Obama is Gallifreyan. He must be a Time Lord to be able to do the things he does. Be responsible for decades old mislaid smallpox vials. Etc.

Pretty impressive power at that.

Obama’s Tardis

9 GeneJockey  Jul 8, 2014 5:32:02pm

I can EASILY imagine this happening.

Think about it - in the 1950s, everyone in the US was vaccinated, so smallpox - 30% fatal in unvaccinated populations - would hardly raise an eyebrow. Everyone in the lab was vaccinated, and I can tell you, folks used to be WAY less concerned about lab safety than they are now.

So, maybe a postdoc or other researcher is culturing variola, makes some vials to keep the stock on hand. Puts them someplace. Gets another job. Forgets they’re there when he packs. Next person doesn’t do anything with them. Moves the former employee’s stuff into a closet someplace. Then HE gets another job, and now there’ nobody who know whose stuff that was.

The institution changes hands, and NOBODY’S gonna go through every nook and cranny.

And here we are, 60 years later, >35 years after the last case of smallpox, nobody’s been vaccinated since then. And someone looks in the closet and reads “Variola” on a box and realizes what the vials contain.

10 Testy Toad T  Jul 8, 2014 5:34:37pm

I anxiously await some Jenny-McCarthy-esque dudebro declaring that this is all a SEEKRIT GOVERNMENT PLOY 2 MAKE U VACCINATE UR KIDS AND GIVE THEM TEH AUTISMS.

11 lawhawk  Jul 8, 2014 5:34:39pm

re: #9 GeneJockey

Yup. The smallpox eradication effort began in 1966. That’s years after the vials were mislaid.

12 dog philosopher  Jul 8, 2014 5:34:45pm

How can you expect them to pay attn to smallpox when they have imptnt things to do like

definitely the easiest RWNJ meme as you can quickly form it from any event:

“<very important disaster here> and obama is playing golf”

13 GeneJockey  Jul 8, 2014 5:34:47pm

When one company I was working for was slowly, painfully winding down, we kept laying people off, then trying to figure out what the hell was in this freezer, or this box, or all those bottles under the fume hood, because we’d laid off the people who knew what it was.

Ended up paying a hefty chunk of change to a couple consultants to clean it up.

14 wrenchwench  Jul 8, 2014 5:35:36pm

re: #9 GeneJockey

I can EASILY imagine this happening.

Think about it - in the 1950s, everyone in the US was vaccinated, so smallpox - 30% fatal in unvaccinated populations - would hardly raise an eyebrow. Everyone in the lab was vaccinated, and I can tell you, folks used to be WAY less concerned about lab safety than they are now.

So, maybe a postdoc or other researcher is culturing variola, makes some vials to keep the stock on hand. Puts them someplace. Gets another job. Forgets they’re there when he packs. Next person doesn’t do anything with them. Moves the former employee’s stuff into a closet someplace. Then HE gets another job, and now there’ nobody who know whose stuff that was.

The institution changes hands, and NOBODY’S gonna go through every nook and cranny.

And here we are, 60 years later, >35 years after the last case of smallpox, nobody’s been vaccinated since then. And someone looks in the closet and reads “Variola” on a box and realizes what the vials contain.

It’s a plot by those nefarious Baby Boomers to wipe out the following generations!

15 PhillyPretzel  Jul 8, 2014 5:36:12pm

There has always been speculation that there was some forgotten vial of something dangerous or deadly was in some corner somewhere and it would find its way into the “wrong” hands. John Ringo’s “Unto the Breach” deals with some weaponized smallpox.

16 Kragar  Jul 8, 2014 5:36:15pm

This week is the 70th Anniversary of the Hartford Circus Fire

The Hartford circus fire, which occurred on July 6, 1944, in Hartford, Connecticut, was one of the worst fire disasters in the history of the United States. The fire occurred during an afternoon performance of the Ringling Brothers and Barnum & Bailey Circus that was attended by approximately 7,000 people. An estimated 167-169 people died and more than 700 were injured.

Talking to my mother, I learned my great grandfather had been the first doctor to arrive on scene and was the only medical professional there for close to 2 hours before other help arrived. He apparently suffered severe traumatic stress for years afterwards and almost gave up medicine completely after that.

17 GeneJockey  Jul 8, 2014 5:36:49pm

re: #11 lawhawk

Yup. The smallpox eradication effort began in 1966. That’s years after the vials were mislaid.

I worked for one of the WHO docs who was part of the eradication. Then he worked on one of the first Ebola outbreaks. Then he went to work at CDC and got assigned to work on AIDS in about 1981.

And he doesn’t really look like Matthew Modine.

18 GeneJockey  Jul 8, 2014 5:40:32pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

It’s a plot by those nefarious Baby Boomers to wipe out the following generations!

More like the Greatest Generation’s revenge on those kids who would never get off their lawn, based on the timing.

19 Kid A  Jul 8, 2014 5:40:36pm

So it’s Obama’s fault that these vials have been misplaced for 40 years? Skydaddy, these people are so fucking stupid.

20 wrenchwench  Jul 8, 2014 5:40:46pm
21 austin_blue  Jul 8, 2014 5:41:50pm

re: #9 GeneJockey

I can EASILY imagine this happening.

Think about it - in the 1950s, everyone in the US was vaccinated, so smallpox - 30% fatal in unvaccinated populations - would hardly raise an eyebrow. Everyone in the lab was vaccinated, and I can tell you, folks used to be WAY less concerned about lab safety than they are now.

So, maybe a postdoc or other researcher is culturing variola, makes some vials to keep the stock on hand. Puts them someplace. Gets another job. Forgets they’re there when he packs. Next person doesn’t do anything with them. Moves the former employee’s stuff into a closet someplace. Then HE gets another job, and now there’ nobody who know whose stuff that was.

The institution changes hands, and NOBODY’S gonna go through every nook and cranny.

And here we are, 60 years later, >35 years after the last case of smallpox, nobody’s been vaccinated since then. And someone looks in the closet and reads “Variola” on a box and realizes what the vials contain.

Just to continue your thought train, with which I completely agree, remember that all data was stored on paper at the time, including inventories of various “stuff” in government research labs. The fact that more of these materials haven’t routinely seen sunlight again is pretty remarkable.

The fact that this has taken an anti-Obama spin is just so pitiful. I’ll say it again: If the POTUS were to remove his shoes and stroll across the Potomac River, the gaspers would immediately report the lede as “Kenyan Born, Secret Muslim, Half Breed, Communist Pseudo-President Too Lazy To Swim”.

22 Kid A  Jul 8, 2014 5:42:05pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

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THANKS, OBAMA!!!!
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23 Kragar  Jul 8, 2014 5:42:31pm

In an eerie parallel, my mom’s father had been a flamethrower man in the Pacific during that same time period. He also had really bad PTSD.

24 wrenchwench  Jul 8, 2014 5:42:54pm

re: #22 Kid A

THANKS, OBAMA!!!!
/

Same photographer, minutes later:

25 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 8, 2014 5:43:26pm

re: #9 GeneJockey

I can EASILY imagine this happening.

Think about it - in the 1950s, everyone in the US was vaccinated, so smallpox - 30% fatal in unvaccinated populations - would hardly raise an eyebrow. Everyone in the lab was vaccinated, and I can tell you, folks used to be WAY less concerned about lab safety than they are now.

So, maybe a postdoc or other researcher is culturing variola, makes some vials to keep the stock on hand. Puts them someplace. Gets another job. Forgets they’re there when he packs. Next person doesn’t do anything with them. Moves the former employee’s stuff into a closet someplace. Then HE gets another job, and now there’ nobody who know whose stuff that was.

The institution changes hands, and NOBODY’S gonna go through every nook and cranny.

And here we are, 60 years later, >35 years after the last case of smallpox, nobody’s been vaccinated since then. And someone looks in the closet and reads “Variola” on a box and realizes what the vials contain.

I don’t know what kind of protocol are in place for something like ‘cleaning out that old supply room’, but perhaps we got lucky. What if “Jim the Janitor” just started tossing boxes into the dumpster. (I know, a bit of a stretch).

In any case, this is a story that if fiction, would cause the reader to say “Yea…. Right…. FAIL”. NPR today had a piece on this, and it sounds a lot like the scenario described above.

RBS

26 Decatur Deb  Jul 8, 2014 5:43:31pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

Double rainbow going strong over DC

If you look, you can see Obama’s flying monkeys under the dome.

27 GeneJockey  Jul 8, 2014 5:44:56pm

re: #23 Kragar

In an eerie parallel, my mom’s father had been a flamethrower man in the Pacific during that same time period. He also had really bad PTSD.

Yikes! I can imagine, between strapping gallons of flaming death on your back which a single bullet could set off, and shooting that flaming death at other people and having to watch and see the aftermath, it could really fuck you up but good.

28 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 8, 2014 5:45:29pm

re: #13 GeneJockey

When one company I was working for was slowly, painfully winding down, we kept laying people off, then trying to figure out what the hell was in this freezer, or this box, or all those bottles under the fume hood, because we’d laid off the people who knew what it was.

Ended up paying a hefty chunk of change to a couple consultants to clean it up.

I guess legally and ethically telling the interns “hey, take a little swig of this for use would you?” isn’t approved?

RBS

29 GeneJockey  Jul 8, 2014 5:48:35pm

re: #28 RealityBasedSteve

I guess legally and ethically telling the interns “hey, take a little swig of this for use would you?” isn’t approved?

RBS

The interns were the first to go!
//

Seriously, though - most of the stuff is harmless, but it’s hard to know. I’ve found that a lot of folks aren’t even really clear on what is and isn’t dangerous in their own labs.

30 austin_blue  Jul 8, 2014 5:49:09pm

re: #28 RealityBasedSteve

I guess legally and ethically telling the interns “hey, take a little swig of this for us would you?” isn’t approved?

RBS

Ethically? Only if you put them in a hermetically sealed and filtered isolation unit immediately afterwards. Interns are cheap and great for research. Epidemics are hell to pay for.

31 Kid A  Jul 8, 2014 5:49:51pm

re: #24 wrenchwench

DOUBLE THANKS, OBAMA!!!
/

32 jaunte  Jul 8, 2014 5:50:19pm

re: #29 GeneJockey

The interns were the first to go!
//

Seriously, though - most of the stuff is harmless, but it’s hard to know. I’ve found that a lot of folks aren’t even really clear on what is and isn’t dangerous in their own labs.

Texas Atty. General Greg Abbott recommends people find out by just driving around.

33 GeneJockey  Jul 8, 2014 5:50:52pm

re: #30 austin_blue

Ethically? Only if you put them in a hermetically sealed and filtered isolation unit immediately afterwards. Interns are cheap and great for research. Epidemics are hell to pay for.

Yeah. How much vaccine do you suppose is still out there? And how much of it do you suppose is still efficacious?

34 GeneJockey  Jul 8, 2014 5:53:12pm

re: #25 RealityBasedSteve

I don’t know what kind of protocol are in place for something like ‘cleaning out that old supply room’, but perhaps we got lucky. What if “Jim the Janitor” just started tossing boxes into the dumpster. (I know, a bit of a stretch).

In any case, this is a story that if fiction, would cause the reader to say “Yea…. Right…. FAIL”. NPR today had a piece on this, and it sounds a lot like the scenario described above.

RBS

Protocols? For cleaning out an old storage room? Yeah, right.

35 klys  Jul 8, 2014 5:57:57pm

re: #34 GeneJockey

Protocols? For cleaning out an old storage room? Yeah, right.

They’re called “you hope the person handling it is one of the more responsible scientists around.”

36 austin_blue  Jul 8, 2014 5:58:01pm

re: #33 GeneJockey

Yeah. How much vaccine do you suppose is still out there? And how much of it do you suppose is still efficacious?

Scary thought, innit? Scarier still is that we had polio pretty much licked until dedicated health professionals weeding out the last little pockets started getting their heads blown off by ignorant tribesman who had been convinced (for purely political reasons!) that they were either A): Spies, or B): trying to infect them with AIDS/HepC/you name it.

37 Stephen T.  Jul 8, 2014 5:58:39pm

re: #5 sagehen

I got a smallpox vaccination in 1965… is it still good?

I was born in 1969 and have never been vaccinated against smallpox. I’m doomed.

38 wrenchwench  Jul 8, 2014 5:59:10pm

Stupid twitter feed.

39 3eff Jeff  Jul 8, 2014 5:59:17pm

re: #34 GeneJockey

Protocols? For cleaning out an old storage room? Yeah, right.

Guess how I know Steve has never worked in a science lab… ;-)

40 austin_blue  Jul 8, 2014 6:00:53pm

re: #37 Stephen T.

I was born in 1969 and have never been vaccinated against smallpox. I’m doomed.

Nah, just 30% dead if it gets loose. I like your chances! Nasty scarring, though.

41 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 6:01:38pm
42 Kid A  Jul 8, 2014 6:01:56pm
43 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 6:02:02pm
44 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 6:02:18pm

I had a smallpox booster vaccine in 1970 and my oldest son was vaccinated in 1972. He is the only one of my kids to be vaccinated.

45 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 6:02:56pm

re: #42 Kid A

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I think that’s a Photoshop, the real signs are actually racist.

46 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 6:03:10pm
47 teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2014 6:03:19pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

48 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 6:03:34pm
49 GeneJockey  Jul 8, 2014 6:03:46pm

re: #36 austin_blue

Scary thought, innit? Scarier still is that we had polio pretty much licked until dedicated health professionals weeding out the last little pockets started getting their heads blown off by ignorant tribesman who had been convinced (for purely political reasons!) that they were either A): Spies, or B): trying to infect them with AIDS/HepC/you name it.

The AIDS vaccine company I worked for til their vaccine failed morphed itself into a biodefense company which also failed, largely because the Government lost interest when nobody else died from from Anthrax after 2001.

Smallpox is scary, because it spreads by itself, but we know how to contain and eradicate it, and how to make buckets of vaccine pretty quickly. There were/are other threats that are more scary, because even though they don’t spread by themselves, there’s no vaccine, and damned little treatment.

50 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 8, 2014 6:03:59pm

re: #39 3eff Jeff

Guess how I know Steve has never worked in a science lab… ;-)

Nope, Army Aviation (Operations, not Flight Crew), and then into Technical Training. Took a lot of science in school, have a scar on my finger from a practical joke involving sodium and a wash sink going wrong. Wanted to be a Paleontologist when I was a kid.

RBS

51 Justanotherhuman  Jul 8, 2014 6:04:07pm

re: #42 Kid A

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The willfully ignorant are always among us…

52 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 6:04:39pm

1950’s teabaggers:

53 wrenchwench  Jul 8, 2014 6:04:50pm
54 Stephen T.  Jul 8, 2014 6:05:06pm

re: #40 austin_blue

Nah, just 30% dead if it gets loose. I like your chances! Nasty scarring, though.

Will powdered faces, and velvet “moles” glued to the face make a comeback, you think?

55 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 6:05:21pm
56 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 8, 2014 6:05:40pm

re: #9 GeneJockey

Does make me glad I was vaccinated for it in 1982 during my in-processing for the army.

57 Kid A  Jul 8, 2014 6:06:18pm

re: #52 Pie-onist Overlord

Well, isn’t that a buzzkill. I was laughing hysterically when I saw it, now I feel like I need a shower.

58 GeneJockey  Jul 8, 2014 6:07:07pm

re: #52 Pie-onist Overlord

1950’s teabaggers:
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THEY WUZ DEMOCRATS!!!!

59 austin_blue  Jul 8, 2014 6:07:49pm

re: #54 Stephen T.

Will powdered faces, and velvet “moles” glued to the face make a comeback, you think?

Fashion would be the least of your worries!

60 Kid A  Jul 8, 2014 6:08:41pm

“Race-mixing” was the work of the underground-daddy?

61 teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2014 6:08:44pm
62 lawhawk  Jul 8, 2014 6:09:16pm

Okay. Points for the Indiana Jones reference, but still RWNJ.

63 GeneJockey  Jul 8, 2014 6:09:37pm

re: #59 austin_blue

Fashion would be the least of your worries!

The wife and I were watching a show on the Black Death this weekend. Imagine a world in which EVERYBODY had seen at least one member of their immediate family sicken and die horribly, and you had no idea why, or how to stop it, or if you were next.

64 3eff Jeff  Jul 8, 2014 6:11:47pm

re: #50 RealityBasedSteve

Nope, Army Aviation (Operations, not Flight Crew), and then into Technical Training. Took a lot of science in school, have a scar on my finger from a practical joke involving sodium and a wash sink going wrong. Wanted to be a Paleontologist when I was a kid.

Nice! Yeah, weapons systems and the military are different. For some reason, people seem more concerned about those being carefully handled. Academics tend to be bad at organizing the small details. I’ve got a BS in physics and the lab I worked in had a box of every imaginable vacuum tube stored next to tritium samples. This was in the 21st century. That box was pretty dusty.

I’m just glad all the janitors in the country know better than to poke at the weird boxes in the storerooms of labs.

65 wrenchwench  Jul 8, 2014 6:11:57pm

Later, lizards.

66 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 6:13:44pm

When I met Rand Simberg at a party at Eugene Volokh’s house years ago, he struck me as a very sane conservative. We actually had a long talk about science and the space program, and that was one of the things that influenced me to think the conservative movement had moved on from the crazy anti-science attitudes of the past.

Man, was I ever wrong. Simberg has categories for the types of science he’s willing to accept, and they seem to coincide entirely with the interests of big business and the far right.

These people really suck, and I guess I had to learn that lesson, hard.

67 teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2014 6:14:03pm

re: #61 teleskiguy

Is this even legal?

68 SteveMcGazi  Jul 8, 2014 6:15:41pm

re: #62 lawhawk

I always knew they would never give up looking for those vials, no matter how long it took.

69 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 6:16:17pm

re: #67 teleskiguy

Is this even legal?

He didn’t scam anybody, he said upfront what he wanted the money for. Rubes are dumb.

Maybe I should make a Kickstarter campaign for Apple Pie.

70 GeneJockey  Jul 8, 2014 6:17:45pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

When I met Rand Simberg at a party at Eugene Volokh’s house years ago, he struck me as a very sane conservative. We actually had a long talk about science and the space program, and that was one of the things that influenced me to think the conservative movement had moved on from the crazy anti-science attitudes of the past.

Man, was I ever wrong. Simberg has categories for the types of science he’s willing to accept, and they seem to coincide entirely with the interests of big business and the far right.

These people really suck, and I guess I had to learn that lesson, hard.

This is very true, as I’ve discovered on more than one occasion. Smart guys who can instantly diagnose poor reasoning, invalid conclusions, and logical fallacies in one area, then do EXACTLY the same thing themselves when the topic turns to something where the Science is against their desired outcome. It’s pretty astonishing to see in action.

71 b_sharp  Jul 8, 2014 6:18:26pm

Just for info sake, I was vaccinated against vaccines back in the ’50s.

Strangely, I now get headaches.

72 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 6:18:27pm
73 GeneJockey  Jul 8, 2014 6:19:42pm

Well, Lizards, it’s time for the long, quiet fast, noisy drive home.

Ain’t it purty?

74 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 6:19:53pm

re: #71 b_sharp

Just for info sake, I was vaccinated against vaccines back in the ’50s.

Same here

Strangely, I now get headaches.

I do also. Mostly when I read one of your posts though!!!
/

75 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 6:20:11pm

re: #73 GeneJockey

Well, Lizards, it’s time for the long, quiet fast, noisy drive home.

Ain’t it purty?

Dual exhaust?

76 GeneJockey  Jul 8, 2014 6:20:54pm

re: #75 sattv4u2

Dual exhaust?

Of course. But the stock exhaust, not something REALLY noisy.

77 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 8, 2014 6:21:00pm

re: #67 teleskiguy

Is this even legal?

Damn for this strongly ingrained secular humanist sense of right and wrong my Mother instilled into me. (I know, to a RWNJ there is no such thing). She’s the reason that I’ll never be able to roll around naked in a pile of 100 dollar bills I’ve grifted, she put a sense of decency into me.

I think I came out richer for it overall.

RBS

78 EPR-radar  Jul 8, 2014 6:21:00pm

re: #70 GeneJockey

This is very true, as I’ve discovered on more than one occasion. Smart guys who can instantly diagnose poor reasoning, invalid conclusions, and logical fallacies in one area, then do EXACTLY the same thing themselves when the topic turns to something where the Science is against their desired outcome. It’s pretty astonishing to see in action.

People believe what they want to believe all the time. What’s disturbing is when treating objective reality as something subject to the whims of belief gets so popular.

79 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 6:21:48pm

I saw this at teh Wonkette:

80 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 6:22:02pm

re: #76 GeneJockey

Of course. But the stock exhaust, not something REALLY noisy.

Ahh

Needs some sidewinder pipes!!!

81 EPR-radar  Jul 8, 2014 6:22:40pm

re: #73 GeneJockey

I like the color. Last time I bought a car, blue was not an option for the make/model I wanted. Next time I hope I’m not deprived in this way again.

82 GeneJockey  Jul 8, 2014 6:22:56pm

re: #78 EPR-radar

People believe what they want to believe all the time. What’s disturbing is when treating objective reality as something subject to the whims of belief gets so popular.

The older boy asked me what “Confirmation Bias” meant, and so I explained it. He said, “Yeah, but aren’t WE vulnerable to that, too?”

I wanted to kiss him!

I told him that’s why you must ALWAYS be your own harshest critic. Because if you aren’t somebody else will be.

83 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 8, 2014 6:23:16pm

re: #71 b_sharp

Just for info sake, I was vaccinated against vaccines back in the ’50s.

Strangely, I now get headaches.

The Anti-Vaccine Vaccine needs periodic boosters from the various compounds in chemtrails. Didn’t you read your Form 23-2(a/34k). You do HAVE your Form 23-2(a/34k) don’t you?

RBS

84 Justanotherhuman  Jul 8, 2014 6:23:39pm

I’m sorry, but how else are these folks going to receive treatment when they’re so mentally ill they can’t make decisions for themselves? How many other people have to suffer, be harmed or even be killed because they won’t seek treatment? And are we so callous as to think that it’s perfectly all right to let people get so far gone that they seriously harm or even kill themselves? Is it really justified to say that people who just refuse treatment against all advice and the pleas of those who love and care for them are having their rights violated?

S.F. approves Laura’s Law to ensure mentally ill receive treatment

latimes.com

About Laura’s Law:

lauraslawoc.org

85 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 8, 2014 6:23:57pm

re: #73 GeneJockey

Well, Lizards, it’s time for the long, quiet fast, noisy drive home.

Ain’t it purty?

I am agog!

86 b_sharp  Jul 8, 2014 6:24:39pm

re: #74 sattv4u2

Just for info sake, I was vaccinated against vaccines back in the ’50s.

Same here

Strangely, I now get headaches.

I do also. Mostly when I read one of your posts though!!!
/

I think they have a vaccine for that.

87 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 6:25:27pm

re: #86 b_sharp

I think they have a vaccine for that.

Yup

Image: Skyy-Vodka.jpg

88 b_sharp  Jul 8, 2014 6:25:54pm

re: #83 RealityBasedSteve

The Anti-Vaccine Vaccine needs periodic boosters from the various compounds in chemtrails. Didn’t you read your Form 23-2(a/34k). You do HAVE your Form 23-2(a/34k) don’t you?

RBS

Its

uh

in the mail.

89 b_sharp  Jul 8, 2014 6:26:26pm

re: #83 RealityBasedSteve

The Anti-Vaccine Vaccine needs periodic boosters from the various compounds in chemtrails. Didn’t you read your Form 23-2(a/34k). You do HAVE your Form 23-2(a/34k) don’t you?

RBS

I just about tried to solve that BTW.

90 dog philosopher  Jul 8, 2014 6:26:27pm

what did patrick kennedy do/say?

91 Justanotherhuman  Jul 8, 2014 6:28:22pm

re: #69 Pie-onist Overlord

He didn’t scam anybody, he said upfront what he wanted the money for. Rubes are dumb.

Maybe I should make a Kickstarter campaign for Apple Pie.

And you can show real pies.

That isn’t even his potato salad.

92 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 6:28:50pm

re: #90 dog philosopher

what did patrick kennedy do/say?

He said marijuana is a dangerous addictive drug that leads to heroin.

It was like traveling back in time to the 1950s.

93 Decatur Deb  Jul 8, 2014 6:30:33pm

re: #29 GeneJockey

The interns were the first to go!
//

Seriously, though - most of the stuff is harmless, but it’s hard to know. I’ve found that a lot of folks aren’t even really clear on what is and isn’t dangerous in their own labs.

Which is why OSHA has a Hazard Communication standard. (Someday Gregg Abbot will wake up from a Texas drunk with it tattooed on his forehead in reverse.)

95 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 8, 2014 6:32:17pm

re: #17 GeneJockey

I worked for one of the WHO docs who was part of the eradication. Then he worked on one of the first Ebola outbreaks. Then he went to work at CDC and got assigned to work on AIDS in about 1981.

And he doesn’t really look like Matthew Modine.

He had to be a pinball wizard on weekends?

96 Justanotherhuman  Jul 8, 2014 6:32:19pm

Kennedy no doubt mightily suffers from Catholic guilt.

“Kennedy has acknowledged being treated for cocaine use during his teenage years, and admitted that he abused drugs and alcohol while he was a student at Providence College.[8] He sought treatment for an OxyContin addiction in 2006.[9] Due to his experience with addiction, Patrick J. Kennedy has started to advocate against the legalization of marijuana.”[10][11]

en.wikipedia.org

Marijuana isn’t even in the same class as cocaine or OxyContin, or even alcohol.

97 jaunte  Jul 8, 2014 6:32:28pm
“If he wanted to, he could do what Woodrow Wilson did — and he’s certainly not one of my favorite presidents,” Gohmert said on Tuesday. “But after Pancho Villa’s gangs came across, I believe in Arizona, and killed some American families, he said, ‘That’s it.’ He sent John Pershing with troops into Mexico.
….
Pershing and 5,000 Army troops pursued Villa’s forces in Mexico for nearly a year, to no avail.
98 SteveMcGazi  Jul 8, 2014 6:32:33pm

re: #73 GeneJockey

Well, Lizards, it’s time for the long, quiet fast, noisy drive home.

Ain’t it purty?

Safe driving to you buddy, but you made me think of a car wreck I saw during rush hour today. On a crowded street, with lots of red lights so you wind up coasting half the time even when it’ snot rush hour, I saw the fire and rescue crews tending to a vehicle that was on its side. I can’t imagine how the driver got the energy to get that think tipped over on such a slow street.

99 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 6:32:38pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

He said marijuana is a dangerous addictive drug that leads to heroin.

It was like traveling back in time to the 1950s.

HURR HURR REEFER MADNESS!!!!!!

100 Romantic Heretic  Jul 8, 2014 6:33:12pm

re: #27 GeneJockey

Yikes! I can imagine, between strapping gallons of flaming death on your back which a single bullet could set off, and shooting that flaming death at other people and having to watch and see the aftermath, it could really fuck you up but good.

Seen pictures, being the WWII history buff that I am. Those are bad enough.

I doubt I’d sleep well for the rest of my life if I saw the real thing.

101 Targetpractice  Jul 8, 2014 6:33:14pm

re: #94 jaunte

TX Rep. Gohmert: Obama should send U.S. military into Mexico to stop immigrants

Louie, you do know that sending soldiers onto the sovereign soil of another nation without their permission is an act of war, right?

102 jaunte  Jul 8, 2014 6:33:41pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

GOHMERT SMASH!

103 SteveMcGazi  Jul 8, 2014 6:33:53pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

Louie, you do know that sending soldiers onto the sovereign soil of another nation without their permission is an act of war, right?

It’s only Mexico.

104 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 6:34:34pm
105 Targetpractice  Jul 8, 2014 6:35:23pm

re: #103 SteveMcGazi

It’s only Mexico.

Really, that line could be “It’s only (insert non-US nation),” because that’s really how they feel. That if the US wants to send soldiers to another nation, then by God, we’ve got a right to do so!

106 Decatur Deb  Jul 8, 2014 6:35:25pm

re: #97 jaunte

Well, we learned La Cucaracha.

107 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 8, 2014 6:35:39pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

Louie, you do know that sending soldiers onto the sovereign soil of another nation without their permission is an act of war, right?

Now way. It’s spreadin’ demmacrasy!

108 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 8, 2014 6:36:12pm

re: #104 Pie-onist Overlord

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GG blames NSA.

109 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 6:37:56pm

re: #104 Pie-onist Overlord

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Yeah. They made an announcement at the end of the match advising the German fans to stay in the stadium and that Brazilian officials would escort them back to their hotels, “just in case”

And I thought,,,, not the 1st time Germans had to hide out in Brazil!!!
//

110 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 6:39:30pm

re: #104 Pie-onist Overlord

Welcome to Rio!

111 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 6:40:31pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Welcome to Rio!

GG: NSA KNEW ABOUT THIS BUT LET IT HAPPEN!!!!!!

112 Decatur Deb  Jul 8, 2014 6:40:57pm

re: #108 GlutenFreeJesus

GG blames NSA.

GG is a cankered bate-breeding mumblenews.

Or a foul-reeking ill breeding bumbally.

Or a reeky lumpish gudgeon.

(Trying out my kid’s gift:
amazon.com )

113 Targetpractice  Jul 8, 2014 6:41:19pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Welcome to Rio!

I imagine the IOC are watching this and thinking “Is there any way we can have a do-over on the city selection?”

114 bratwurst  Jul 8, 2014 6:41:44pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

He said marijuana is a dangerous addictive drug that leads to heroin.

It was like traveling back in time to the 1950s.

Kennedy and David Frum are on the “Leadership Team” for SAM: Smart Approaches to Marijuana.

One of their major thrusts is trying to prevent pot from becoming another “big tobacco”. I can’t seem to find anything on their site explaining why they don’t turn their collective money and brain power toward going after the existing “big tobacco”.

I don’t imagine I would be going to far out on a limb to theorize that there is pharmaceutical and/or alcohol industry money behind this group.

115 dog philosopher  Jul 8, 2014 6:41:47pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

He said marijuana is a dangerous addictive drug that leads to heroin.

It was like traveling back in time to the 1950s.

i think this elvis presley kid would be okay if it weren’t for that suggestive hip wiggling thing he does

116 klys  Jul 8, 2014 6:42:06pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

I imagine the IOC are watching this and thinking “Is there any way we can have a do-over on the city selection?”

My guess is they’re too busy rolling in the money they got for the Sochi bid.

///

117 Romantic Heretic  Jul 8, 2014 6:42:12pm

re: #61 teleskiguy

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That’s actually quite sad. People try to raise money for things like making their van handicapped accessible and fail.

Someone get over a year’s pay for making potato salad.

Seriously, this is a very sad comment on human nature.

118 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 6:43:55pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

I imagine the IOC are watching this and thinking “Is there any way we can have a do-over on the city selection?”

Unlike in soccer, Brazil won’t be the home town favorite in any/ many of the Olympic events, so the “fans” won’t be as high strung as they were today

119 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 6:45:10pm
120 Justanotherhuman  Jul 8, 2014 6:46:07pm

WVA, MD, and PA are all reporting tens of thousands in each state without power due to storms.

And severe weather is moving into NYC.

121 Decatur Deb  Jul 8, 2014 6:46:17pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

Caffeine is a gateway drug. We need legislation to stop the spread of this nefarious substance.

Get congress to pass it, President Romney will sign it.

122 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 6:48:08pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

Get congress to pass it, President Romney will sign it.

heh

Fortunately, my Mormon friends are great

Even though they don’t drink coffee, anytime they have us over for dinner (which is often) they offer and make us coffee anyway

123 lawhawk  Jul 8, 2014 6:48:22pm
124 Decatur Deb  Jul 8, 2014 6:48:44pm

re: #122 sattv4u2

heh

Fortunately, my Mormon friends are great

Even though they don’t drink coffee, anytime they have us over for dinner (which is often) they offer and make us coffee anyway

Reform Mormons.

125 lawhawk  Jul 8, 2014 6:49:23pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

126 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 6:49:47pm

Dear coal-rolling retards:
Unauthorized modifications to your vehicle void the warranty.
Don’t come crying to us when your truck engine fails.
Laughing at u,
The Warranty Specialists at [redacted] Motor Company

127 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 6:52:35pm
128 Romantic Heretic  Jul 8, 2014 6:53:38pm

re: #126 Pie-onist Overlord

Image: Nelson_Ha-Ha.jpg

129 lawhawk  Jul 8, 2014 6:54:25pm

I know what your thinking. Do they believe in unicorns too?

130 Justanotherhuman  Jul 8, 2014 6:55:04pm

I drink a full pot every morning and never get the shakes.

131 Justanotherhuman  Jul 8, 2014 6:55:53pm

It takes a full pot just to keep me upright. : )

132 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 8, 2014 6:55:56pm

re: #126 Pie-onist Overlord

Dear coal-rolling retards:
Unauthorized modifications to your vehicle void the warranty.
Don’t come crying to us when your truck engine fails.
Laughing at u,
The Warranty Specialists at [redacted] Motor Company

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Dear Insurance Company,

I was just driving along and my truck just burst into flames… really, I don’t even know what ‘rolling coal’ is. Please give me money

133 Romantic Heretic  Jul 8, 2014 6:56:37pm

re: #129 lawhawk

I was thinking that on another thread that the GOP has lost every state that they’ve held their convention in.

It’s because it gives the citizens of the state a good look at them and they go, “Oh Hell no!”

134 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 6:56:57pm

re: #130 Justanotherhuman

I drink a full pot every morning and never get the shakes.

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Oh hell yeah!!

In fact, in a couple of hours for the long quiet drive home, as soon as I leave here (work) there is a QT right around the corner. I’ll be stopping there and fill my LARGE travel mug with a regular coffee to drink on the ride, and it won’t keep me from sleeping as soon as I get home AT ALL!

135 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 6:58:04pm

I know a guy who is addicted to brake fluid.

He says he can stop any time.

*rim shot*

136 Decatur Deb  Jul 8, 2014 6:58:59pm

re: #135 Pie-onist Overlord

I know a guy who is addicted to brake fluid.

He says he can stop any time.

*rim shot*

You’re clutching at straws.

137 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 6:59:28pm

I left my coffee thermos at work.

NOW WHAT WILL I DO TOMORROW MORNING!!!!!!

138 Justanotherhuman  Jul 8, 2014 7:00:47pm

re: #137 Pie-onist Overlord

I left my coffee thermos at work.

NOW WHAT WILL I DO TOMORROW MORNING!!!!!!

Take it in another container, heat it back up in the microwave at work and pour it into the thermos?

139 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 7:01:06pm

re: #137 Pie-onist Overlord

I left my coffee thermos at work.

NOW WHAT WILL I DO TOMORROW MORNING!!!!!!

Wha!?!? No back-up thermos???

I have a spare large travel mug here at work, one in each of the cars I might drive to/ from work, plus an extra at home just in case

Planning ,,,, it’s all about being prepared!!!

140 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 7:02:18pm

I will steal Zedushka’s travel mug.

Don’t tell him!!!!!

141 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 8, 2014 7:03:07pm

But what will Zedushka do?

RBS

142 TedStriker  Jul 8, 2014 7:03:08pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

He said marijuana is a dangerous addictive drug that leads to heroin.

It was like traveling back in time to the 1950s.

REEFER MADNESS!!!!11ty

143 ObserverArt  Jul 8, 2014 7:03:41pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Seems like a lot of bad craziness in the ether tonight.

Just tonight. Where you been since January 2009?

/

144 teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2014 7:05:22pm

Here’s a relevant search in re: Reefer Madness.

145 Justanotherhuman  Jul 8, 2014 7:05:30pm

146 Targetpractice  Jul 8, 2014 7:06:00pm

Is there life before coffee?

147 teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2014 7:06:57pm
148 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 7:07:18pm

re: #146 Targetpractice

Is there life before coffee?

At my age, since I have to get up a couple of times in the middle of the night now to pee, I can tell you,,, YES

149 Justanotherhuman  Jul 8, 2014 7:07:50pm

re: #146 Targetpractice

Is there life before coffee?

Not much.

150 Varek Raith  Jul 8, 2014 7:08:25pm

re: #137 Pie-onist Overlord

I left my coffee thermos at work.

NOW WHAT WILL I DO TOMORROW MORNING!!!!!!

PANIC

151 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 7:10:23pm

For $60K you should get this potato salad:
Youtube Video

152 SteveMcGazi  Jul 8, 2014 7:10:46pm

re: #117 Romantic Heretic

That’s actually quite sad. People try to raise money for things like making their van handicapped accessible and fail.

Someone get over a year’s pay for making potato salad.

Seriously, this is a very sad comment on human nature.

I disagree. The money people are sending to Kickstarter would never have been diverted to the needy. It’s sort of like people are entertaining themselves in some way.

153 Justanotherhuman  Jul 8, 2014 7:10:57pm

I had to drive from Kensington in Phila over to Powelton Village one night very stoned. That was back in the early ’70s.

People in the car were a bit nervous, but it was my car and I bravely wouldn’t let them drive. : )

154 ObserverArt  Jul 8, 2014 7:11:33pm

re: #80 sattv4u2

Ahh

Needs some sidewinder pipes!!!

Lakers!!!

(Anyone remember those and the time period?)

155 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 7:12:48pm

re: #153 Justanotherhuman

I had to drive from Kensington in Phila over to Powelton Village one night very stoned. That was back in the early ’70s.

People in the car were a bit nervous, but it was my car and I bravely stupidly wouldn’t let them drive. : )

sorry, but ftfy

(youthful indiscretion I’m sure ,,,, bt/dt and it was just as dumb of me)

156 sagehen  Jul 8, 2014 7:13:25pm

re: #63 GeneJockey

The wife and I were watching a show on the Black Death this weekend. Imagine a world in which EVERYBODY had seen at least one member of their immediate family sicken and die horribly, and you had no idea why, or how to stop it, or if you were next.

Bubonic Plague is actually *extremely* curable. If only the 14th century had had penicillin…

157 dog philosopher  Jul 8, 2014 7:16:36pm

i make a point of drinking a cup of life-threateningly strong french roast every morning

it makes it seem like i have brain activity

158 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 7:16:55pm

re: #156 sagehen

Bubonic Plague is actually *extremely* curable. If only the 14th century had had penicillin…

They had moldy bread but all they got from it was hallucinations and spastic poisoning.

159 ObserverArt  Jul 8, 2014 7:18:03pm

re: #96 Justanotherhuman

Kennedy no doubt mightily suffers from Catholic guilt.

“Kennedy has acknowledged being treated for cocaine use during his teenage years, and admitted that he abused drugs and alcohol while he was a student at Providence College.[8] He sought treatment for an OxyContin addiction in 2006.[9] Due to his experience with addiction, Patrick J. Kennedy has started to advocate against the legalization of marijuana.”[10][11]

en.wikipedia.org

Marijuana isn’t even in the same class as cocaine or OxyContin, or even alcohol.

He needs to figure out he may have an addictive personality in which it is easy to fall prey to many vices. Some people finally fight off one substance and fall into something else. To say pot is a gateway drug shows he is not being realistic and in fact may be making excuses for his own real problems.

160 teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2014 7:19:49pm
161 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 7:20:03pm
162 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 7:22:50pm
163 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 8, 2014 7:23:18pm

re: #160 teleskiguy

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They seem happy about it for some reason though.

164 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 7:24:43pm

Speaking of TV shows

((okay,, so nobody was,, but whattheheck))

Just got hooked on the Showtime series, Ray Donovan

almost finished with the 1st season (12 one hour episodes) and the 2nd episode of the 2nd season is on Sunday night

165 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 7:24:46pm

Wingnuts chattered about “Arkancide” and now this, but have total memory blackout on Bush’s 1000’s of dead Americans & 100,000’s of dead non-Americans. WTF.

166 b_sharp  Jul 8, 2014 7:25:25pm

Don’t you just hate it when your Internet connection kicks you out, and you weren’t eating crackers?

167 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 7:26:22pm

re: #166 b_sharp

Don’t you just hate it when your Internet connection kicks you out, and you weren’t eating crackers?

I hate it even more when it lets YOU back on!!!

((crackers or not))

//

168 Targetpractice  Jul 8, 2014 7:26:49pm

re: #165 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts chattered about “Arkancide” and now this, but have total memory blackout on Bush’s 1000’s of dead Americans & 100,000’s of dead non-Americans. WTF.

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“That was then, this is now!!!”

169 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 8, 2014 7:27:48pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

“That was then, this is now!!!”

But they remember “Arkancide” because HILLARY!!!!!!

170 Justanotherhuman  Jul 8, 2014 7:27:49pm

re: #155 sattv4u2

sorry, but ftfy

(youthful indiscretion I’m sure ,,,, bt/dt and it was just as dumb of me)

True, but it didn’t really kick in until we were halfway there. I was never a regular user and might have been a little naive. I was actually OK driving because I was cautious, but I learned my lesson. I was OK driving back home. : )

171 b_sharp  Jul 8, 2014 7:29:23pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

I hate it even more when it lets YOU back on!!!

((crackers or not))

//

I was going to bring cookies.

172 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 7:29:36pm

re: #170 Justanotherhuman

True, but it didn’t really kick in until we were halfway there. I was never a regular user and might have been a little naive. I was actually OK driving because I was cautious, but I learned my lesson. I was OK driving back home. : )

Like I said, youthful indiscretion. I was a slow learner. Can’t even tell you how many times I woke up in my car, in my driveway not recalling HOW I got there or where I came from the night before

173 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 7:29:57pm

re: #171 b_sharp

I was going to bring cookies.

Typical you. No ice cold milk to go with them!

174 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 7:30:14pm
175 teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2014 7:30:41pm

The video contained in the link in this here tweet has an “adult dose” of derp.

176 b_sharp  Jul 8, 2014 7:31:34pm

re: #173 sattv4u2

Typical you. No ice cold milk to go with them!

I’m cheap.

177 jaunte  Jul 8, 2014 7:31:55pm

178 Justanotherhuman  Jul 8, 2014 7:32:22pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

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Must be the Jeff Bezos Effect.

179 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 7:32:48pm

re: #176 b_sharp

I’m cheap.

So,,,, non brand name cookies, huh??

I’ll pass!!

180 teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2014 7:33:28pm

re: #177 jaunte

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

181 b_sharp  Jul 8, 2014 7:34:13pm

re: #179 sattv4u2

So,,,, non brand name cookies, huh??

I’ll pass!!

I found them in the alley.

They’re still good.

182 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 7:35:39pm

re: #181 b_sharp

I found them in the alley.

They’re still good.

Bird droppings does NOT equal cookie frosting

183 b_sharp  Jul 8, 2014 7:36:46pm

re: #182 sattv4u2

Bird droppings does NOT equal cookie frosting

Chickenshit.

184 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 7:37:31pm

re: #183 b_sharp

Chickenshit.

I prefer chocolate sprinkles, but to each his own!!

185 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 7:38:53pm

(((((now I’m going to have to stop at the store on the way home and get a box of good cookies with frosting and chocolate sprinkles))))

186 GeneJockey  Jul 8, 2014 7:39:20pm

re: #182 sattv4u2

Bird droppings does NOT equal cookie frosting

And one does not get nonpareils from the catbox, canine opinion to the contrary notwithstanding.

187 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 8, 2014 7:40:02pm

Charles. Mobile Safari with the mobile LGF site has been giving me a blank navigation bar at the very bottom of the page on my iPhone.

Anyone else?

188 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 8, 2014 7:40:31pm

FWIW… The Walmart Great Value brand “Twist and Shout’ (oreo clones) are really good. A person with poor self control could easily eat half an entire package of them while spending the night web-surfing. (not me of course)

RBS

189 jaunte  Jul 8, 2014 7:40:45pm
190 b_sharp  Jul 8, 2014 7:41:05pm

re: #188 RealityBasedSteve

FWIW… The Walmart Great Value brand “Twist and Shout’ (oreo clones) are really good. A person with poor self control could easily eat half an entire package of them while spending the night web-surfing. (not me of course)

RBS

Never you.

191 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 8, 2014 7:41:21pm

re: #177 jaunte

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Don’t forget “and he shouldn’t have allowed 9/11 to happen”.

192 ObserverArt  Jul 8, 2014 7:41:37pm

re: #185 sattv4u2

(((((now I’m going to have to stop at the store on the way home and get a box of good cookies with frosting and chocolate sprinkles))))

Youtube Video

Store bought cookies

: )

193 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 7:42:15pm

re: #187 GlutenFreeJesus

Tap on the top bar, and you’ll get the navigation bars.

194 teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2014 7:42:21pm

The guy on the right is the Governor of Colorado John Hickenlooper who was somewhat of a beer baron in downtown Denver for a time; he founded and owned the Wynkoop Brewery for many years before getting into politics. He came out against cannabis legalization in the run-up to the vote in Nov. 2012.

Fucking hypocrite. He’ll have to work hard for my vote. Or I’ll just write my dad in (no way no how I’m voting for Bob Beauprez, a Republican).

195 Killgore Trout  Jul 8, 2014 7:42:47pm

re: #189 jaunte

What’s happening in Denver?

Stoners. I wonder who will be the first president to visit a dispensary and buy some weed?

196 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 8, 2014 7:42:57pm
197 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 7:43:36pm

re: #187 GlutenFreeJesus

I notice that you don’t seem to be using the latest iOS. This could also be a problem.

198 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 8, 2014 7:44:05pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

Tap on the top bar, and you’ll get the navigation bars.

I know. I’m just not used to it and wasn’t sure if this is how you designed it. ;)

199 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 8, 2014 7:44:30pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

I notice that you don’t seem to be using the latest iOS. This could also be a problem.

Im on 7.1.2. :)

I am jailbroken so I’ll check mom’s non JB iPhone.

200 b_sharp  Jul 8, 2014 7:45:51pm

Later.

Going to go crawl back under my rock.

201 sagehen  Jul 8, 2014 7:46:34pm

re: #164 sattv4u2

Speaking of TV shows

((okay,, so nobody was,, but whattheheck))

Just got hooked on the Showtime series, Ray Donovan

almost finished with the 1st season (12 one hour episodes) and the 2nd episode of the 2nd season is on Sunday night

whaaaa… the second season started already? I had it on my calendar to start next weekend…

202 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 7:46:54pm

re: #198 GlutenFreeJesus

Yes, I did program it this way - there’s an option called ‘minimal-ui’ that keeps the navigation bars from popping up automatically when you scroll. It gives more screen space to the content, instead of hiding parts of it when you scroll.

203 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 8, 2014 7:47:18pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

I notice that you don’t seem to be using the latest iOS. This could also be a problem.

Heh. Could be worse - I’m still on 4.x on my 3g. This place crashes Safari every time. I probably should update it but everything else I want to do works so I don’t worry about it. I’d only be trying to read this place at work and, well, this lets me concentrate on mopping up the floor by the swimming pool, folding laundry or making breakfast for the guests ;)

204 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 7:47:43pm

re: #199 GlutenFreeJesus

Im on 7.1.2. :)

I am jailbroken so I’ll check mom’s non JB iPhone.

Ah HA! See how you are?

:)

205 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 8, 2014 7:49:36pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

Yes, I did program it this way - there’s an option called ‘minimal-ui’ that keeps the navigation bars from popping up automatically when you scroll. It gives more screen space to the content, instead of hiding parts of it when you scroll.

Sounds good then! Just wasn’t sure. :)

Checked the non JB phone. Still a blank space. What I did notice is the ads on the bottom of the main page. Then I enter a topic, the ad disappears but the placeholder for the ad seems to stay. If it’s supposed to be replaced by page content instead of being a black space, something may still be amiss. But you know more about this stuff than I. ;)

206 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 7:51:05pm
207 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 7:52:46pm

re: #201 sagehen

whaaaa… the second season started already? I had it on my calendar to start next weekend…

New Season Premiere: Sun, July 13 at 9 PM ET/PT

I thought the 1st episode of season two was last Sunday but I was incorrect

I’m up to episode 9 (out of 12) of season 1

208 teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2014 7:53:03pm
209 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 8, 2014 7:54:21pm

re: #203 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh. Could be worse - I’m still on 4.x on my 3g. This place crashes Safari every time. I probably should update it but everything else I want to do works so I don’t worry about it. I’d only be trying to read this place at work and, well, this lets me concentrate on mopping up the floor by the swimming pool, folding laundry or making breakfast for the guests ;)

Not worth updating the 3G. It’ll just slow to a crawl. Is Chrome supported under 4.x? Maybe give that a try.

210 Stanley Sea  Jul 8, 2014 7:57:13pm

re: #203 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh. Could be worse - I’m still on 4.x on my 3g. This place crashes Safari every time. I probably should update it but everything else I want to do works so I don’t worry about it. I’d only be trying to read this place at work and, well, this lets me concentrate on mopping up the floor by the swimming pool, folding laundry or making breakfast for the guests ;)

Going good then? I’m patiently waiting for the weird stories.

211 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 8, 2014 8:00:22pm

re: #209 GlutenFreeJesus

Not worth updating the 3G. It’ll just slow to a crawl. Is Chrome supported under 4.x? Maybe give that a try.

Alas

Chrome for iOS is available on iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch with iOS 6 or later in all languages that the Apple App Store supports.

It’s my ex-wife’s old phone and I’m too broke to replace it. Maybe I should run a “Help me buy a new iPhone 6” kickstarter this fall? :LOL:

212 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 8:00:33pm
213 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 8, 2014 8:01:49pm

re: #210 Stanley Sea

Going good then? I’m patiently waiting for the weird stories.

Only weird story so far was the teenager who called at 2:30 am looking to rent a room for an hour or so … O_o

Otherwise it’s a quiet place and I like that :)

214 Gus  Jul 8, 2014 8:03:58pm
215 Gus  Jul 8, 2014 8:04:19pm
216 Blue Fielder  Jul 8, 2014 8:04:37pm

…what the hell man.
You guys are freaking my shit right the hell out.

217 Justanotherhuman  Jul 8, 2014 8:05:17pm

re: #213 William Barnett-Lewis

Only weird story so far was the teenager who called at 2:30 am looking to rent a room for an hour or so … O_o

Otherwise it’s a quiet place and I like that :)

I’ll bet you sometimes get some lives ones. : )

I got sleepy just talking about vegetation, so,

Later, Lizards!

218 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 8:06:09pm
219 Stanley Sea  Jul 8, 2014 8:06:51pm

Secret service. Wonder about those guys sometime. Hopefully they frisked the horse 1st.

220 jaunte  Jul 8, 2014 8:08:22pm
221 Varek Raith  Jul 8, 2014 8:09:28pm

re: #175 teleskiguy

The video contained in the link in this here tweet has an “adult dose” of derp.

[Embedded content]

Oh this should be fun.
I invite this person to exorcise mah demons.

222 GeneJockey  Jul 8, 2014 8:10:08pm

“Mr President? Sorry if you can’t hear me. I’m a little horse.”

223 Varek Raith  Jul 8, 2014 8:10:11pm

Man, what’s with the horse hate?
You think you know people…
///
XD

224 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 8:10:55pm

re: #220 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Have a good sized campaign donation check in hand, and you could live with a politician for a week!!! ((or own one for a term!!))

225 Gus  Jul 8, 2014 8:11:59pm
226 jaunte  Jul 8, 2014 8:12:01pm

re: #223 Varek Raith

You think you know people…

But neigh.

227 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 8:13:04pm

re: #226 jaunte

But neigh.

Rein in that humor!

228 Varek Raith  Jul 8, 2014 8:13:17pm

re: #226 jaunte

But neigh.

Ok, I walked into that one.

229 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 8:13:37pm

re: #228 Varek Raith

Ok, I walked galloped into that one.

ftfy

230 austin_blue  Jul 8, 2014 8:14:06pm

re: #227 sattv4u2

Rein in that humor!

Or hoof it right out of here!

231 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 8:14:40pm

re: #230 austin_blue

Or hoof it right out of here!

Go away, now,,,, shoe!

232 austin_blue  Jul 8, 2014 8:15:12pm

re: #231 sattv4u2

Go away, now,,,, shoe!

Stifle it, Sat!

233 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 8:15:55pm

re: #232 austin_blue

Stifle it, Sat!

Can’t

I spit the bit

234 austin_blue  Jul 8, 2014 8:17:12pm

re: #233 sattv4u2

Can’t

I spit the bit

Then I will lay upon you withering approbation.

235 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 8:18:14pm

re: #234 austin_blue

Then I will lay upon you withering approbation.

I have truly hit the Heights!

236 Floral Giraffe  Jul 8, 2014 8:18:36pm

re: #228 Varek Raith

Ok, I walked trotted into that one.

FTFY

237 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 8:19:22pm

Ya know what bites? Being less than 45 minutes from leaving work and getting an equipment failure alarm!!!

brb

238 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 8, 2014 8:19:33pm

Much as I’ll miss the horsing around, it’s time for me to ride on out for the night. Saddle up, ya’ll & I’ll see you in the morning.

239 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 8:20:16pm

re: #238 William Barnett-Lewis

Much as I’ll miss the horsing around, it’s time for me to ride on out for the night. Saddle up, ya’ll & I’ll see you in the morning.

Heading for the paddock, are ya

240 J A P  Jul 8, 2014 8:20:50pm

re: #120 Justanotherhuman

I was driving home from the gym when the wind started picking up shortly after seven o’clock. It was brief but very windy. I saw plenty of branches down and various items being blown about the street that you don’t normally see, so I’m not surprised to see some people have the power out, didn’t actually know it for a fact, though.

I hope the temperature doesn’t get too hot.

241 austin_blue  Jul 8, 2014 8:21:47pm

re: #235 sattv4u2

I have truly hit the Heights!

I pull my forelock to you! You blaze the trail of puns! They are so good I don’t even (g)roan! My cheeks are dappled with tears and my heart is pounding like a chest nut!

242 J A P  Jul 8, 2014 8:22:07pm

re: #160 teleskiguy

Finally, I now know why my love life is so bad. On the upside, I think I’ve dated all of them.

243 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 8, 2014 8:24:55pm

Don’t look! I’m neigh kid.

244 Gus  Jul 8, 2014 8:26:37pm

I can’t seem to be able to shoe horn a comment in here.

245 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 8, 2014 8:26:56pm

re: #244 Gus

I can’t seem to be able to shoe horn a comment in here.

Groan!

246 Floral Giraffe  Jul 8, 2014 8:27:23pm

re: #244 Gus

I can’t seem to be able to shoe horn a comment in here.

Hay!
Snickers

247 teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2014 8:27:28pm

re: #244 Gus

I can’t seem to be able to shoe horn a comment in here.

You’ll get back in the saddle. Just don’t tug too hard on them reins.

248 austin_blue  Jul 8, 2014 8:27:56pm

re: #243 GlutenFreeJesus

Don’t look! I’m neigh kid.

Rule #1 of pun threads: Don’t reuse a previous reference.

Just saying’.

But that’s funny.

249 Stanley Sea  Jul 8, 2014 8:28:23pm

I oat to come up with something.

250 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 8:28:26pm

Makes me crazy to see other sites suddenly starting to cover the Kentucky GOP climate denier who thinks the temperature’s the same on Mars as it is on Earth, when we had it five days ago. And none of these people credit us or Backwoods_Sleuth for being first.

Oh well.

251 Gus  Jul 8, 2014 8:28:31pm

re: #247 teleskiguy

You’ll get back in the saddle. Just don’t tug too hard on them reins.

Hope so.

252 Gus  Jul 8, 2014 8:29:19pm

253 austin_blue  Jul 8, 2014 8:29:46pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

Makes me crazy to see other sites suddenly starting to cover the Kentucky GOP climate denier who thinks the temperature’s the same on Mars as it is on Earth, when we had it five days ago. And none of these people credit us or Backwoods_Sleuth for being first.

Oh well.

We lead the pack down the front stretch.

254 Stanley Sea  Jul 8, 2014 8:30:40pm

re: #252 Gus

[Embedded image]

Crazier and crazier.

255 jaunte  Jul 8, 2014 8:30:44pm

re: #252 Gus

Wow, Tammy Faye flashback.

256 teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2014 8:30:46pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

Makes me crazy to see other sites suddenly starting to cover the Kentucky GOP climate denier who thinks the temperature’s the same on Mars as it is on Earth, when we had it five days ago. And none of these people credit us or Backwoods_Sleuth for being first.

Oh well.

I noticed that. Phil Plait wrote about it on the 6th, and that was three days after LGF was commenting on that.

Charles, you’re awesome, you’ve got a sweet site! But even I know you don’t have the resources of Slate.

I’ll still read LGF every day.

257 AntonSirius  Jul 8, 2014 8:31:15pm

re: #177 jaunte

I love that Jeannie misspells the name of one of the sites she writes for in her Twitter bio:

Writer at American Thinker, LiveAction New, & Clash Daily. Christian, Conservative, wife, mom, and grandma! Working to expose the plight of liberal idiocy.

258 austin_blue  Jul 8, 2014 8:31:21pm

re: #252 Gus

[Embedded image]

Okay, that is a fundamentally frightening screen cap. Congrats to whoever captured it.

259 teleskiguy  Jul 8, 2014 8:31:56pm

re: #252 Gus

O_O (wtf?)

260 Lidane  Jul 8, 2014 8:32:38pm

re: #241 austin_blue

Oh hey, you’re online. Coolness.

I finally landed a job today. I went ahead and accepted the offer because a shitty paycheck is better than none, but I’d like to plug into that social network of yours. See if there’s something better out there that I haven’t been able to find.

261 Lidane  Jul 8, 2014 8:34:03pm
262 Floral Giraffe  Jul 8, 2014 8:36:56pm

re: #260 Lidane

Congratulations on the job!!!

263 Gus  Jul 8, 2014 8:38:12pm
264 Stanley Sea  Jul 8, 2014 8:39:41pm

re: #252 Gus

Recent?

265 Charles Johnson  Jul 8, 2014 8:40:03pm
266 Gus  Jul 8, 2014 8:40:52pm

re: #264 Stanley Sea

Recent?

Don’t know.

267 Gus  Jul 8, 2014 8:41:50pm

re: #264 Stanley Sea

Recent?

From a Col. Morris Tweet.

268 austin_blue  Jul 8, 2014 8:43:37pm

re: #260 Lidane

Oh hey, you’re online. Coolness.

I finally landed a job today. I went ahead and accepted the offer because a shitty paycheck is better than none, but I’d like to plug into that social network of yours. See if there’s something better out there that I haven’t been able to find.

Absolutely! Keep in mind that I’m a Luddite as far as social media is concerned. Part of it is where I work, the other is that I’m a Lib in Texas and don’t want to be bothered with the bullshit that is so prevalent here. Having my e-mail out there is is just not acceptable. Perhaps a meet-up at a Friday happy hour would be OK? We could trade links outside of this very public space.

269 Killgore Trout  Jul 8, 2014 8:44:22pm

re: #265 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Short Secret Service guy is just looking for an excuse to end Mr. Horse Head.

270 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 8:45:08pm

Decisions decisions decisions!!

Stop at the Asian place on the way home for a nice plate of Lo Mein and a couple of adult beverages
OR
Stop at the 24 Hour diner on the way home for a nice omelette and a couple of adult beverages
OR

Stop at either place for a couple of adult beverages and skip the food!!

Decisions decisions decisions!!

271 Lidane  Jul 8, 2014 8:46:04pm

re: #268 austin_blue

Absolutely! Keep in mind that I’m a Luddite as far as social media is concerned. Part of it is where I work, the other is that I’m a Lib in Texas and don’t want to be bothered with the bullshit that is so prevalent here. Having my e-mail out there is is just not acceptable. Perhaps a meet-up at a Friday happy hour would be OK? We could trade links outside of this very public space.

Not a problem. We can figure something out.

272 austin_blue  Jul 8, 2014 8:46:34pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

Short Secret Service guy is just looking for an excuse to end Mr. Horse Head.

Yeah, it’s like he’s wearing a burka, isn’t it?

273 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 8:46:47pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

Short Secret Service guy is just looking for an excuse to end Mr. Horse Head.

Kinda weird that they would let someone with that on their head so close to the POTUS

Wonder if they checked him out (“take off the head,sir”) before the rope line started

274 Lidane  Jul 8, 2014 8:48:03pm

re: #270 sattv4u2

The first one.

Leftover takeout Lo Mein is a great thing to have on hand after too many adult beverages.

275 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 8:48:55pm

re: #274 Lidane

The first one.

Leftover takeout Lo Mein is a great thing to have on hand after too many adult beverages.

I’m WAY past the point in life where I have “too many”

Takes me “too long” to recover now

276 austin_blue  Jul 8, 2014 8:51:20pm

re: #271 Lidane

Not a problem. We can figure something out.

We like El Alma’s on Friday. Nice happy hour food. Also, there’s a Killer Bee new blues guitar slinger and vocalist, Jackie Venson, playing a free show at Uncle Billy’s this Friday at eight. Classically trained at Berklee, she’s found her muse.

277 Killgore Trout  Jul 8, 2014 8:52:54pm

re: #273 sattv4u2

Kinda weird that they would let someone with that on their head so close to the POTUS

Wonder if they checked him out (“take off the head,sir”) before the rope line started

I’m sure it comes up in their training. I think they’re mostly looking at hands. Now that I think of it I don’t seem them wearing sunglasses as much as they used to. I wonder if that’s changed.

278 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 8:54:40pm

re: #277 Killgore Trout

I’m sure it comes up in their training. I think they’re mostly looking at hands. Now that I think of it I don’t seem them wearing sunglasses as much as they used to. I wonder if that’s changed.

Still, there’s plenty of room inside that horses head to fit something that can be used for nefarious reasons

Again, I’ll bet he was asked to take it off for a spot check prior to the presidents arrival

279 austin_blue  Jul 8, 2014 8:54:53pm

re: #277 Killgore Trout

I’m sure it comes up in their training. I think they’re mostly looking at hands. Now that I think of it I don’t seem them wearing sunglasses as much as they used to. I wonder if that’s changed.

Well despite the wire coming out of your ear, you don’t want to look *obvious*, or anything…

280 Kid A  Jul 8, 2014 8:57:23pm
281 sattv4u2  Jul 8, 2014 8:57:54pm

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

(with perhaps a detour for some grub)

282 piratedan  Jul 8, 2014 10:42:28pm

re: #255 jaunte

I was thinking she had that Bachmann “true believer/fanatical” eye-glean going

283 Jolo5309  Jul 9, 2014 10:45:50am

re: #175 teleskiguy

The video contained in the link in this here tweet has an “adult dose” of derp.

[Embedded content]

Finally someone understands that atheists need exorcisms!


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