Glenn Greenwald’s Grand Finale That Wasn’t

The misrepresentation starts with the headline
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This May, while Glenn Greenwald was on his book tour of the US surveillance state (during which he wasn’t arrested or tortured, despite months of asserting he would be), he announced he would soon be publishing his grand finale in the series of NSA stories, an exposé of the names of American citizens who were NSA targets.

Well, last night this BOMBSHELL article was finally published after delays, and ladies and gentlemen hang on to your horse masks, because now we: Meet the Muslim-American Leaders the FBI and NSA Have Been Spying on.

The problems start this time with the headline; even though it states “the FBI and NSA have been spying on” these people, in fact the article produces no evidence that the surveillance continued past 2008 — in other words, it apparently began and ended during the Bush administration.

How many names of “Muslim-American leaders” does the Mighty Greenwald reveal in this grand finale? Would you believe… five?

And one of them, Hooshang Amirahmadi … well, I’ll let The Intercept tell you:

Amirahmadi, who does not self-identify as a Muslim and describes himself as an atheist, believes that the NSA surveillance was motivated by his diplomatic work, not his religious heritage.

Oddly enough, after this piece appeared and people noticed the obvious discrepancy in calling Amirahmadi a “Muslim” when he’s actually an atheist, suddenly an “update” appeared in the text:

[Update: Although Amirahmadi used the word “atheist” to describe his religious identity to The Intercept, in a HuffPost Live interview on Wednesday, he said he prefers to be called a “secular Muslim.”]

Of course, Mr. Amirahmadi has a right to call himself whatever he wants, but this is very convenient timing; right after people criticized this passage.

As for the evidence that these five men were spied on solely because they were Muslims, as the article insinuates over and over:

Given that the government’s justifications for subjecting Gill and the other U.S. citizens to surveillance remain classified, it is impossible to know why their emails were monitored, or the extent of the surveillance. It is also unclear under what legal authority it was conducted, whether the men were formally targeted under FISA warrants, and what, if anything, authorities found that permitted them to continue spying on the men for prolonged periods of time. But the five individuals share one thing in common: Like many if not most of the people listed in the NSA spreadsheet, they are of Muslim heritage.

That’s a rather astonishing paragraph; what it says is that Greenwald and his co-author Murtaza Hussein don’t know why these men were monitored, they don’t know the extent of the monitoring, they don’t know the legal authority for the monitoring, and they don’t know what was discovered during the monitoring — but then they blithely assert it was probably because of their Muslim heritage. With no evidence whatsoever. The entire basis for this assertion is a single spreadsheet with no details at all about the reasons for the surveillance.

Since there’s really no context at all for these claims, not to mention evidence, it would be pointless to try to rebut them. I’ll just note one more amusing sidenote to this nothing-burger; Greenwald is now denying he ever said this was going to be the finale:

But here’s a direct quote from his book tour interview on May 26:

Glenn Greenwald, the journalist who received the trove of documents from Edward Snowden, a former National Security Agency (NSA) contractor, told The Sunday Times that Snowden’s legacy would be “shaped in large part” by this “finishing piece” still to come.

[…]

“One of the big questions when it comes to domestic spying is, ‘Who have been the NSA’s specific targets?’,” he said. “Are they political critics and dissidents and activists? Are they genuinely people we’d regard as terrorists?

“What are the metrics and calculations that go into choosing those targets and what is done with the surveillance that is conducted? Those are the kinds of questions that I want to still answer.”

Greenwald said the names would be published via The Intercept, a website funded by Pierre Omidyar, the billionaire founder and chairman of eBay. Greenwald left The Guardian, which published most of the Snowden revelations, last autumn to work for Omidyar.

“As with a fireworks show, you want to save your best for last,” Greenwald told GQ magazine. “The last one is the one where the sky is all covered in spectacular multicoloured hues.”

Why is Greenwald suddenly backing away from his promise that this would be the best and last piece, covering the sky in spectacular multi-colored hues? Maybe because the fireworks show has fizzled?

I’ll leave you with the Huffington Post’s huge headline, tweeted by Greenwald the instant it appeared:

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456 comments
1 piratedan  Jul 9, 2014 11:58:58am

LOUD NOISES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! signifying the obvious.

2 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 11:59:00am

There will never be a “finale” because Glenn wants to milk this thing and drag it out for the rest of his natural life.

3 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 12:00:33pm
4 Bulworth  Jul 9, 2014 12:00:44pm

It is impossible to know…it is also unclear….

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

5 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 12:00:56pm
A mountain was in travail pang;
The country with her clamour rang.
Out ran the people all, to see,
Supposing that the birth would be
A city, or at least a house.
It was a mouse!

(c)

6 Testy Toad T  Jul 9, 2014 12:01:00pm

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was a better finale than this nothingburger.

7 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 12:01:03pm

Greenwald is disgusting.

Get a real job and stop this bullshit con.

8 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 12:01:27pm
9 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 12:03:06pm

re: #6 Testy Toad T

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was a better finale than this nothingburger.

The Matrix trilogy had a better finale

10 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 12:03:21pm

Of course they would.

Utah to appeal ruling in favor of gay marriage directly to US Supreme Court - @AP
End of alert

11 Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2014 12:03:24pm

Premature finalis?

12 Testy Toad T  Jul 9, 2014 12:04:45pm

re: #9 Kragar

The Matrix trilogy had a better finale

Greensnow couldn’t terminate his series as well as JK Rowling with Sarah Palin and the Deathly Panels.

14 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 12:07:38pm
15 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 12:08:59pm
16 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 12:09:22pm

GG furiously tweeting more bullshit, such as this:

Yes, yes, GG, we know you’re the only “media figure” in the entire world who’s conscious. Riiiigghhtt.

17 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2014 12:10:01pm
18 Dr Lizardo  Jul 9, 2014 12:11:26pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Looks like that’s the case. The big one.

19 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 12:11:36pm

re: #16 Justanotherhuman

GG furiously tweeting more bullshit, such as this:

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Yes, yes, GG, we know you’re the only “media figure” in the entire world who’s conscious. Riiiigghhtt.

20 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 12:12:48pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

“Sell-out!”

21 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 12:12:55pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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The Battle of the Egos…

22 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2014 12:12:59pm

Just remember, if you don’t take this seriously and think that these revelations are the end of all things good and holy and that it’s definitive proof that the US government and the NSA and FBI specifically are evil, then you’re a government hack who is so naive and part of the sheeple.

But let’s dissect the claims (once more into the breach).

5 people are named, based on a spreadsheet that indicates that surveillance ended in the beginning of 2008. No word on whether it continued past that point. These 5 turn out to be Arab-Americans. They’re interviewed.

No word on why they were under surveillance in the first place (that would be an inconvenient fact, such as being investigated for funding terrorist groups like Hamas - a longstanding claim against CAIR as an unindicted coconspirator will do that). Or words and deeds that would open up investigations.

People had surveillance after warrants were secured (IOW, just like how law enforcement operates with warrants), but because it’s the NSA or FBI, it must be evil. EVIL!

A program that was so out of control and beyond oversight was shut down in 2008 by the same Bush Administration that launched it in the first place (so a program that was out of control and without oversight shut down by the same people who ran it, not exactly a ringing endorsement of the out-of-control NSA).

This is what constitutes a headlining story? We knew that CAIR was under investigation for years; you’d have to have your head buried in the sand to think that the FBI or other agencies didn’t have warrants and eavesdropping in place to figure out what was going on, and whether it was truly a front for Hamas or other terror groups.

23 klys  Jul 9, 2014 12:13:08pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

I’m sorry, rapist avoiding a trial says what?

24 JackBurton  Jul 9, 2014 12:13:24pm

Hi longtime reader, first time poster. Glad to finally be doing it.

Anyway, this article was a big nothing burger, but I was actually surprised at the number of qualifiers put in there. I guess I would credit his co-author with that. But it includes multiple statements from law enforcement people about how hard the FISA process is to abuse, with little push back from the authors.

The main problem is that again he is working off some very limited document (in this case a spreadsheet list) and can offer no info on what the surveillance may have consisted of, why it was undertaken, if these guys were the actual targets, or were unwitting contactees of the real targets, etc.

Also, the comments at the Intercept are interesting, with those who I would assume would normally be sympathetic saying “that’s it?” You can expect some of his fanboys on the right to say “yeah, but they’re just muslims.”

25 dog philosopher  Jul 9, 2014 12:14:17pm

SAN FRANCISCO — Police have charged a “high-priced outcall prostitute” with manslaughter in the heroin overdose death of a Google executive on his yacht.

Alix Catherine Tichelman, 26, is accused of supplying heroin to one of her clients, Forrest Timothy Hayes, 51, and then failing to help him after he suffered an overdose and fell unconscious.

Hayes died Nov. 23 on his 50-foot yacht, Escape, in the Santa Cruz harbor, according to Santa Cruz police Deputy Chief Steve Clark.

Santa Cruz police said Tichelman had an “ongoing prostitution relationship” with the victim.

Footage from a security camera on the yacht showed Hayes “suffering medical complications and going unconscious,” police said.

Instead of calling for help,Tichelman gathered her belongings including the heroin and needles, stepped over Hayes’ body to finish a glass of wine and lowered the blinds to conceal the body, police said.

when does the movie come out?

26 CuriousLurker  Jul 9, 2014 12:14:34pm

Wow, good thing we American Muslims have GG & Snowflake to look out for our interests six years after this stuff happened. I mean, heck, if it wasn’t for their fearless whistle-blowing & crack reporting skills we’d never have guessed that the government might be paying special attention to us after 9/11.

//

27 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 12:14:46pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #16 Justanotherhuman

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Shorter Greenwald: “CLAP HARDER!”

28 Varek Raith  Jul 9, 2014 12:15:50pm

I DEMAND A REFUND!

29 Timothy Watson  Jul 9, 2014 12:16:48pm

Nothingburger: Less fillling, same dubebro bullshit.

30 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 12:17:12pm

re: #28 Varek Raith

I DEMAND A REFUND!

I’ll take “Pierre Omidyar’s Latest E-Mail to Glenn Greenwald” for $1,000.

31 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 12:17:29pm

re: #24 JackBurton

no info on what the surveillance may have consisted of, why it was undertaken, if these guys were the actual targets, or were unwitting contactees of the real targets, etc.

Exactly. For me the only “highlight” of the article was actually the racist bit about “Mohammed R*ghead”. That was ugly. Hopefully the racist atmosphere there eased up a bit after the Bush times, though who knows. Otherwise the why’s and how’s of the spying on these 5 Americans are just unknown.

32 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 12:17:59pm

re: #24 JackBurton

Welcome, hatchling.

33 AntonSirius  Jul 9, 2014 12:18:16pm

re: #24 JackBurton

Welcome.

The main problem is that again he is working off some very limited document (in this case a spreadsheet list) and can offer no info on what the surveillance may have consisted of, why it was undertaken, if these guys were the actual targets, or were unwitting contactees of the real targets, etc.

That’s because Greenwald is not a professional journalist, and doesn’t possess the contacts or investigative skills to get answers to those kinds of questions.

34 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 12:19:17pm

re: #33 AntonSirius

Welcome.

That’s because Greenwald is not a professional journalist, and doesn’t possess the contacts or investigative skills to get answers to those kinds of questions.

I’m a bit ignorant on this front - are there any professional lawyers who are also 1st class journalists?

35 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 12:20:23pm

re: #33 AntonSirius

Welcome.

That’s because Greenwald is not a professional journalist, and doesn’t possess the contacts or investigative skills to get answers to those kinds of questions.

HOW DARE YOU. HOW DARE YOU!!!!! GLENN GREENWALD IS TEH MOAST JOURNALISTY JOURNALIST WHO EVER JOURNALED IN TEH HOLE HISTORY OF TEH JOURNALISTIC JOURNALS!!!!!! HE HAS ALL TEH AWARDS EVER AWARDED!!!! WEAR IS YOUR JOURNALISM AWARDS YOU SLOBBERING OBAMA SLOB!!!!!!!

36 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2014 12:20:45pm
37 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 12:23:05pm

re: #34 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I’m a bit ignorant on this front - are there any professional lawyers who are also 1st class journalists?

Howard Cosell. Believing that having a lawyer for a son would make his parents proud, Cosell enrolled in the NYU School of Law and started practicing in Manhattan after WWII. His clients included Willie Mays and the New York Little League. He organized a radio show to help promote the latter and ended up being a natural at interviewing. He quit his law practice in 1956 to do sports reporting for ABC.

Best I could do in a hurry.

38 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 12:23:25pm

@JC_Christian turns out to be a slobbering Glennbot. Whod’a knowed?

(unfollowed)

39 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2014 12:24:22pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

Tim Russert

40 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 12:24:36pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

Thanks. Just to make my point clear - the two professions are sort of “opposed” to each other, if you think about it (tho there are always exceptions).

41 1Peter G1  Jul 9, 2014 12:24:53pm

Ah good! More stories are to be reported. I wonder if any of them will ever be true or will they all be prefaced with the Greenwald “could mean”.

42 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 12:25:28pm
43 b.d.  Jul 9, 2014 12:25:56pm

re: #38 Pie-onist Overlord

@JC_Christian turns out to be a slobbering Glennbot. Whod’a knowed?

(unfollowed)

He went on a tirade against Charles not too long ago.

That guy’s stale shtick covered up a lot of flaws that are showing themselves.

44 Varek Raith  Jul 9, 2014 12:25:58pm

re: #38 Pie-onist Overlord

@JC_Christian turns out to be a slobbering Glennbot. Whod’a knowed?

(unfollowed)

Figures.
Sigh.

45 CuriousLurker  Jul 9, 2014 12:26:16pm

re: #34 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I’m a bit ignorant on this front - are there any professional lawyers who are also 1st class journalists?

I’m fairly certain that being a 1st class professional in any field requires a level of focus & dedication that it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, for the average person to maintain in two fields. (Though I’m quite sure GG considers himself to be far, far above average.)

46 J A P  Jul 9, 2014 12:26:18pm

re: #2 Pie-onist Overlord

Or until he thinks of a better schtick.

47 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 12:28:08pm

re: #40 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Thanks. Just to make my point clear - the two professions are sort of “opposed” to each other, if you think about it (tho there are always exceptions).

That’s not what Will Shortz says (from same link):

“Law is great training for the mind for almost any career. It was good for me because the thinking skills you get from law school are important in puzzle-solving and puzzle-making.”

48 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 12:28:30pm

re: #43 b.d.

He went on a tirade against Charles not too long ago.

That guy’s stale shtick covered up a lot of flaws that are showing themselves.

I also unfollowed “The Tweet of God” when he Tweeted the entire “Book of Bieber”

Because that sucked.

49 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 12:28:50pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

That’s not what Will Shortz says (from same link):

It’s not about the brain power, but what you use it for ;)

50 AntonSirius  Jul 9, 2014 12:32:09pm

re: #38 Pie-onist Overlord

@JC_Christian turns out to be a slobbering Glennbot. Whod’a knowed?

(unfollowed)

He can be an equal opportunity troll

51 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 12:32:31pm

So, teh twitterz for some reason offered a “view translation” of a Bob Cesca tweet:
“view translation”

I figured, what the heck; maybe there was some sekrit message, so I clicked on the translate thingie:

“translation”

I had NO IDEA that Romanian was just like English!!!
:D :D :D

52 AntonSirius  Jul 9, 2014 12:34:27pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, teh twitterz for some reason offered a “view translation” of a Bob Cesca tweet:
“view translation”

I figured, what the heck; maybe there was some sekrit message, so I clicked on the translate thingie:

[Embedded image]“translation”

I had NO IDEA that Romanian was just like English!!!
:D :D :D

You got binged!

53 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 12:34:51pm

It’s not a lawyer’s task to present an objective picture. It’s her task to present a picture that is the most favorable to her client. IMHO this probably cannot fail to influence the lawyers who try their hand at journalism (with some exceptions). A professional deformation, if you will.

54 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 12:35:28pm

Republican candidate for governor of Arizona campaigns on border security.

Enough already.

55 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 12:36:33pm

re: #25 dog philosopher

I hope he left enough money for his 5 kids and wife of 17 yrs.

56 Shazam  Jul 9, 2014 12:36:49pm

re: #54 wrenchwench

Protect them from asshole white guys with guns ready to shoot at brownies? Nah of course not.

57 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 12:37:14pm

Nate Silver clearing egg off his face after predicting a Brazil win:

It’s almost time for Lionel Messi to do his thing. Should be fun.

58 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 12:38:58pm

re: #53 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It’s not a lawyer’s task to present an objective picture. It’s her task to present a picture that is the most favorable for her client. IMHO this probably cannot fail to influence the lawyers who try their hand at journalism (with some exceptions). A professional deformation, if you will.

She must know all aspects in order to create the view she wants, because she has opponents in the courtroom. A good lawyer knows the objective view, even as she distorts it. You’re right that this can make a very bad journalist, but it would not need to if the person can be honest. That’s the skill Greenwald lacks.

59 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 12:39:01pm

re: #57 Lidane

One part of me tells me: “OK, outliers happen, that’s what the probability is all about, he was good with his other predictions”. The other tells me that after his Pielke disaster I don’t care.

60 raina  Jul 9, 2014 12:40:55pm

Another so-called bombshell that turned out to be a dud, not surprisingly. Over at Daily Kos, Jesselyn Raddack wrote a diary on this and commented

Harkening back to its domestic spying roots of spying on civil rights leaders, the FBI and NSA have been specifically targeting people for surveillance based on their race, religion and constitutionally-protected speech. To put it more bluntly, would we be more outraged at the surveillance of a non-profit director, professors and civil rights leader if they were the Executive Director of NAACP or AIPAC or Professor Obama (back when he taught - and respected - Constitutional Law)?

Several commenters pointed out that no one knows, not Raddack, not Greenwald, - why they were targeted, but as usual, they are drowned out by GG/Snowden fanatics.

61 Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2014 12:41:04pm

re: #39 lawhawk

Tim Russert

Did Dan Abrams do something bad? I don’t see him anymore.

62 Zamb  Jul 9, 2014 12:42:16pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, teh twitterz for some reason offered a “view translation” of a Bob Cesca tweet:
“view translation”

I figured, what the heck; maybe there was some sekrit message, so I clicked on the translate thingie:

[Embedded image]“translation”

I had NO IDEA that Romanian was just like English!!!
:D :D :D

Holy crap! I can speak Romanian. Gonna go add that to my resume.

63 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2014 12:43:58pm
64 AntonSirius  Jul 9, 2014 12:44:04pm

re: #60 raina

Another so-called bombshell that turned out to be a dud, not surprisingly. Over at Daily Kos, Jesselyn Raddack wrote a diary on this and commented

Several commenters pointed out that no one knows, not Raddack, not Greenwald, - why they were targeted, but as usual, they are drowned out by GG/Snowden fanatics.

Here’s the thing - the fact that all five appeared on the same document is a strong indicator that they were targets of a specific investigation or operation.

I seriously doubt the NSA had a spreadsheet listing “Muslims we’re targeting just because they’re brown”.

65 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 9, 2014 12:44:23pm

re: #38 Pie-onist Overlord

@JC_Christian turns out to be a slobbering Glennbot. Whod’a knowed?

(unfollowed)

yeah, unfollowed as well. Not that I even use twitter much anymore but not going to be another number following another nutter.

66 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 12:44:48pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

*triplefacepalm.jpg*

67 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 12:45:34pm

wut

68 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2014 12:45:39pm

re: #64 AntonSirius

Not necessarily. It’s a spreadsheet listing active operations. Probably an overview document, indicating tracking numbers for investigations, start/stop dates, etc.

That they appeared in the same spreadsheet document isn’t proof of a concurrent operation.

69 Shazam  Jul 9, 2014 12:46:38pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Greenwald can change his opinions, but no one else can.

70 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 12:47:34pm

Yoakem is accused of sexually assaulting a 14-year-old boy once inside New Gospel Outreach Church in Scottsville, Kentucky, and once at his home in Gallatin, Tennessee.

The pastor had been required to register as a violent sex offender after being found guilty in 2005 of abusing an 8-year-old boy in Kentucky.

“If (a convicted sex offender) has a secondary address or if they spend a certain amount of time a month in the state, they have to register here,” a statement from Gallatin Police Department spokesperson Bill Storment explained. So, his primary residence is in Kentucky, but the Gallatin residence is considered his secondary address.”

New Gospel Outreach Church Interim Pastor Stephen Bratcher told WZTV that he was “shocked” to hear of the allegations, even though church leaders knew Yoakem was a registered sex offender when they hired him.

71 AntonSirius  Jul 9, 2014 12:49:06pm

re: #68 lawhawk

Not necessarily. It’s a spreadsheet listing active operations. Probably an overview document, indicating tracking numbers for investigations, start/stop dates, etc.

Ah, I misunderstood what Greenwald was working from. Didn’t want to give him the page view.

72 GeneJockey  Jul 9, 2014 12:50:33pm

re: #26 CuriousLurker

Wow, good thing we American Muslims have GG & Snowflake to look out for our interests six years after this stuff happened. I mean, heck, if it wasn’t for their fearless whistle-blowing & crack reporting skills we’d never have guessed that the government might be paying special attention to us after 9/11.

//

Hey, I’ve got a pair of sarc tags on my Challenger! Given my usual online demeanor, that seems appropriate…

Ain’t it purty?

73 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 12:50:33pm

re: #61 Stanley Sea

Did Dan Abrams do something bad? I don’t see him anymore.

I think he’s on ABC. He left MSNBC ages ago. I think Rachel Maddow has his old time slot.

74 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 12:50:54pm
75 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2014 12:52:21pm

re: #71 AntonSirius

Specifically, it’s a a selection from the FISA Recap spreadsheet; the highlighted entries are email accounts belonging to the five people he interviewed for the report. All had notations that the FBI was the responsible agency (for securing warrants, investigating, etc.).

The NSA would be operating on behalf of the FBI in these instances, but what the 5 were being investigated for isn’t clear from anything in that report.

76 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 12:52:28pm

re: #70 Kragar

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What was their collective IQ, 50?

77 J A P  Jul 9, 2014 12:53:12pm

re: #53 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Well, I think one would have to be a lawyer who then wanted to become a journalist and then proceeded to learn how to do it and work to do it well. Greenwald has never attempted, or even expressed the desire to attempt, to be a journalist in the sense most people understand that word. I believe he considers himself to be something of an activist. It seems to me that he only likes to call himself a journalist because it affords him some respectability and some legal cover.

In more general terms, switching careers from one field to another where there isn’t a large overlapping skill set can be difficult and it takes time, but it can and has been done. I wouldn’t use Greenwald as an example of anything.

78 AntonSirius  Jul 9, 2014 12:53:47pm

re: #75 lawhawk

Specifically, it’s a a selection from the FISA Recap spreadsheet; the highlighted entries are email accounts belonging to the five people he interviewed for the report. All had notations that the FBI was the responsible agency (for securing warrants, investigating, etc.).

The NSA would be operating on behalf of the FBI in these instances, but what the 5 were being investigated for isn’t clear from anything in that report.

Thanks! That makes sense.

79 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 12:54:01pm

re: #77 J A P

Agreed.

80 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 12:54:11pm

re: #76 Justanotherhuman

What was their collective IQ, 50?

He said God forgave him! They’re not to blame!
///

Fuckers should all do jail time alongside the bastard.

81 piratedan  Jul 9, 2014 12:54:11pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

wouldn’t be surprised if all the money collected ended up in the Christie for President PAC

82 Dark_Falcon  Jul 9, 2014 12:56:08pm

re: #6 Testy Toad T

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was a better finale than this nothingburger.

At least that had a real Commie as the villain, and the AK-47s were period correct.

83 AntonSirius  Jul 9, 2014 12:56:09pm

ACLU asks White House for more information about investigations

In an earlier era, during the 1960s and 1970s, civil rights leaders, activists and members of minority communities were subjected to unlawful and abusive government surveillance based not on what they had done, but what they believed and who they were. Despite reform efforts, abusive practices continue today. Federal, state, and local law enforcement are targeting entire communities—particularly American Muslims—for secret surveillance based on their race, religion, ethnicity or national origin.

The First Look report is troubling because it arises in this broader context of abuse. Documents obtained through an American Civil Liberties Union Freedom of Information Act request show that the FBI has been mapping a broad spectrum of communities, including American Muslim communities, the African American community and Latino American communities, without any basis for individualized suspicion.

(h/t Lawfare)

84 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 12:56:55pm

Heh. This may deserve a re-follow.

85 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 12:58:52pm

re: #77 J A P

Well, I think one would have to be a lawyer who then wanted to become a journalist and then proceeded to learn how to do it and work to do it well. Greenwald has never attempted, or even expressed the desire to attempt, to be a journalist in the sense most people understand that word. I believe he considers himself to be something of an activist. It seems to me that he only likes to call himself a journalist because it affords him some respectability and some legal cover.

In more general terms, switching careers from one field to another where there isn’t a large overlapping skill set can be difficult and it takes time, but it can and has been done. I wouldn’t use Greenwald as an example of anything.

And the majority of his writings are not expository in nature but criticism.

86 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 12:59:24pm
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87 Dark_Falcon  Jul 9, 2014 1:01:15pm

re: #83 AntonSirius

ACLU asks White House for more information about investigations

(h/t Lawfare)

I actually think ‘mapping communities’ is something the national security apparatus needs to do. It’s important to know where trouble is likely to come from.

88 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 1:02:42pm
89 Testy Toad T  Jul 9, 2014 1:03:39pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

I actually think ‘mapping communities’ is something the national security apparatus needs to do. It’s important to know where trouble is likely to come from.

I’m uncomfortable calling the FBI part of a “national security apparatus”, or assigning the former’s tasks to the latter. The ongoing militarization of seemingly every arm of an organization that exists to keep the civil peace is a legitimate threat to the long-term health of this society.

90 J A P  Jul 9, 2014 1:06:12pm

re: #60 raina

Oh, wow. That is a crazy comment thread.

91 Dr. Matt  Jul 9, 2014 1:06:35pm

Today in History:

The US declared Saipan “secure” on July 9 1944, after a battle that obliterated the 30,000-strong Japanese garrison and killed up to 12,000 of the local Chamorro and Carolinian islanders and Japanese civilian settlers on the island.

92 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 9, 2014 1:07:43pm

That’s the biggest flop of a reveal since Gerardo opened Al Capones vault.

RBS

93 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 1:08:06pm
94 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 1:08:21pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

I actually think ‘mapping communities’ is something the national security apparatus needs to do. It’s important to know where trouble is likely to come from.

“While we do not knowall of the facts of the individual reported cases, we believe the government has an obligation to explain the basis for its actions.”

The ACLU is really acting like a concern troll.

(Damn, who formatted that?)

95 geoffm33  Jul 9, 2014 1:09:07pm
96 Bear  Jul 9, 2014 1:09:17pm

re: #91 Dr. Matt

My neighbor was there. He will be 100 in a few months.

97 Dr. Matt  Jul 9, 2014 1:09:32pm

re: #92 RealityBasedSteve

That’s the biggest flop of a reveal since Gerardo opened Al Capones vault.

RBS

98 AntonSirius  Jul 9, 2014 1:10:02pm

re: #94 Justanotherhuman

“While we do not know
all of
the facts of the individual reported cases,
we believe the government has
an obligation to explain the basis for its actions
.”

The ACLU is really acting like a concern troll.

Well, that’s kind of the ACLU’s job.

99 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 1:10:15pm

Today in history:

100 b.d.  Jul 9, 2014 1:10:29pm

For this not being the big finale fireworks show Glenn sure is making the media circuit at full gallop today.

101 Dr. Matt  Jul 9, 2014 1:10:31pm

re: #96 Bear

My neighbor was there. He will be 100 in a few months.

That’s awesome. Shake his hand, give him a hug, and take him out for dinner….send the bill to me. ;)

102 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 1:11:43pm

re: #98 AntonSirius

Well, that’s kind of the ACLU’s job.

That’s purportedly signed by other orgs.

If they want info, let them request it under the FOIA.

103 Dark_Falcon  Jul 9, 2014 1:13:49pm

re: #91 Dr. Matt

Today in History:

The US declared Saipan “secure” on July 9 1944, after a battle that obliterated the 30,000-strong Japanese garrison and killed up to 12,000 of the local Chamorro and Carolinian islanders and Japanese civilian settlers on the island.

A high price was paid there, but Saipan, like Tinian and Guam, was a vital victory. By the end of the year,, the Marianas held the bases for the US B-29s that devastated Japan.

The assault on Saipan also caused the Imperial Japanese Navy to commit to the last and largest of the carrier battles of WWII, which ended with the IJN getting beaten so badly that the battle because known as the ‘Great Marianas Turkey Shoot’.

104 piratedan  Jul 9, 2014 1:14:28pm

re: #100 b.d.

it’s his MO, do the rounds, sell some books, peddle some faux outrage. He’s a grifter.

105 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 1:16:04pm

OUTRAGE!

106 Dark_Falcon  Jul 9, 2014 1:17:24pm

re: #91 Dr. Matt

Today in History:

The US declared Saipan “secure” on July 9 1944, after a battle that obliterated the 30,000-strong Japanese garrison and killed up to 12,000 of the local Chamorro and Carolinian islanders and Japanese civilian settlers on the island.

Placing the word ‘secure’ in quotes is correct in the case of Saipan: While all three of the main Marianas islands were declared secured by September 1944, on all three the last Japanese soldier to surrender on each did not do so until the 1950’s (1970 for Guam).

107 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 1:17:38pm

Because the best way to help Central America is by isolating them:

108 Bulworth  Jul 9, 2014 1:17:41pm

re:
#105

VOTEr FRAUD! Mah Vot = invalidated!!!!

109 Dr. Matt  Jul 9, 2014 1:17:53pm

re: #105 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

Chris McDaniel calls primary ‘the most unethical election’ in Mississippi history t.co

— Daily Kos (@dailykos) July 9, 2014

Translation: “How dare them uppity Black libruls vote!”

110 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2014 1:19:18pm
111 Bulworth  Jul 9, 2014 1:19:24pm

re:
#107

And by making sure these impoverished countries have less money with which to deal with their problems. It’s a great idea. ////

112 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 1:19:39pm

re: #105 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

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Butthurt sore loser says what?

113 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 1:20:40pm
114 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 1:20:44pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

If Pamela Geller doesn’t despise someone, they’re doing it wrong.

115 Dark_Falcon  Jul 9, 2014 1:21:33pm

re: #105 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

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Image: 1370005974.jpg

Seriously, that’s a howler given Mississippi’s history. But given that this is McDaniel we’re talking about, I suppose all those elections black people were forcibly prevented from voting in were just ginger peachy.

116 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 1:21:59pm

re: #98 AntonSirius

Well, that’s kind of the ACLU’s job.

This govt has no obligation to explain itself (esp when this admin did not perform the acts in question).

This kind of loosely put together demand letter would lead to having every single person who has ever been under surveillance having his or her surveillance (whether it lead to charges, conviction, or not) questioned individually just by submitting a letter to the WH. It’s not the proper procedure, nor is it the President’s responsibility. At best, he can only send it down to its proper authority under his signature. Or do nothing.

He certainly can’t allow every single piece of correspondence, even when it’s signed by a number of people, to determine to what should or shouldn’t get his attention. Like I said, there is a procedure to get info, and the ACLU and these others who signed the letter know that. Or should.

117 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2014 1:22:10pm

The Greenwald disciples are really working that smear today. “HATE SITE! ANTI-MUSLIM HATE SITE! DON’T LISTEN TO HIM!”

118 Bubblehead II  Jul 9, 2014 1:22:28pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

119 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2014 1:22:45pm

re: #113 Kragar

The “pro-life” movement isn’t actually in favor of any kind of life at all. Even its supposed concern for the life of the fetus is merely to use it as a weapon against women’s rights.

120 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 1:24:34pm

Talk about still living in 2005…

121 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 1:24:40pm
122 Dr. Matt  Jul 9, 2014 1:24:55pm
123 Dark_Falcon  Jul 9, 2014 1:26:08pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

The Greenwald disciples are really working that smear today. “HATE SITE! ANTI-MUSLIM HATE SITE! DON’T LISTEN TO HIM!”

Having lived inside wingnut heads, how do find dudebro heads compare, now that you’re living in the heads of a number of dudebros?

124 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 1:26:58pm
125 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 1:31:12pm

re: #124 Lidane

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I think that cat belongs to Mr. Beaumont.

126 Dark_Falcon  Jul 9, 2014 1:31:19pm

re: #124 Lidane

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Photoshopped.

127 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 1:31:57pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

Looks real.

128 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 9, 2014 1:32:01pm

re: #118 Bubblehead II

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Man, she looks mummified “in the old days”. Egads.

(sorry, shallow me took control for a split second when I saw that… that… thing)

129 b.d.  Jul 9, 2014 1:33:06pm

All before my time:

“I was such a small fish at the time,” Geller said. “I realized I was basically committing blog suicide by going against him. But he was wrong.” When one of Johnson’s posts about the conference was picked up and incorporated in a press release by the conservative bête noire Council on American-Islamic Relations, Geller called him out on Atlas Shrugs; he responded with a series of posts about her, the most memorable of which was titled, “Pamela Geller: Poster Girl for Eurofascism.” (Not that Geller herself, who posted a Photoshopped picture of Johnson in Joker makeup, was exactly on the high road.) Traffic at her site, she says, went down about 75 percent. “He really did put a knife in the trans-Atlantic counterjihad movement, for a long time. People were running for cover. Nobody wanted to go against him then. He was the king.”

nytimes.com

/snip

“Running a community is hard,” says Markos Moulitsas of the liberal Web site Daily Kos, “and I don’t criticize people for the approaches they take in trying to control their sites. As I tell my own disgruntled commenters, if they don’t like a site’s comment policies, they can always find greener pastures elsewhere. It’s a big Internet.”

130 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2014 1:33:31pm

re: #124 Lidane

There’s a cat who could do some real damage if it had opposable thumbs.

131 Tor  Jul 9, 2014 1:33:47pm

re: #128 GlutenFreeJesus

Man, she looks mummified “in the old days”. Egads.

(sorry, shallow me took control for a split second when I saw that… that… thing)

Committing your entire life to hate does terrible things to you.

132 aagcobb  Jul 9, 2014 1:35:02pm

re: #105 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

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Team Chris McDaniel is very, very sure that all those black people couldn’t possibly be voting for his opponent without some Mississippi law being broken, and if that isn’t the essence of Team Chris McDaniel then really, what would be?

lol. This Mississippi election has been very, very entertaining. Love the massive Tea Party temper tantrum.

133 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 1:36:43pm
134 GeneJockey  Jul 9, 2014 1:37:01pm

re: #28 Varek Raith

I DEMAND A REFUND!

Refund? Are you crazy? Refund? REFUND?!?!

Refund? REFUND?!?

135 Tor  Jul 9, 2014 1:37:17pm

re: #132 aagcobb

lol. This Mississippi election has been very, very entertaining. Love the massive Tea Party temper tantrum.

Especially considering Cochran is just as nutso as they are anyways.

136 Varek Raith  Jul 9, 2014 1:37:48pm

Sanity break.

Youtube Video

137 Kid A  Jul 9, 2014 1:38:52pm

Germany scored. Again.

138 aagcobb  Jul 9, 2014 1:39:05pm

re: #135 Tor

Especially considering Cochran is just as nutso as they are anyways.

I’m hoping they sling enough mud on Cochran that they get Childers elected.

139 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2014 1:41:04pm

Man, it’s just unreal. There’s a flood of this stuff all over Twitter:

140 J A P  Jul 9, 2014 1:41:27pm

I feel a little funny fixating on the DKos thread that raina mentioned (comment number 60) but some of the comments in there really remind me of why I parted ways with the far left, although it was years ago now. One person wrote:

Abolish the NSA and the CIA. Simple. (9+ / 0-)

The War OF Terror is U.S. Imperialism.

Now, I know that all people on the left are not that simplistic, but there are way too many of them for me. While I have opposed, and still oppose, U.S. Imperialism, and opposed the war in Iraq and many other things over the years, I don’t have any illusions that the U.S. is somehow the unique source of evil in this world. I don’t know what abolishing the CIA and the NSA would accomplish. Now, that doesn’t mean I approve of everything we do, but we just don’t live in such a black and white world.

Sometimes, I feel so alone when I see a gray, complicated world. The U.S. is not divinely ordained to spread democracy, nor is it the source of all the world’s trouble. Many of the faults of the U.S. are human faults we share with a great many countries and we all have to strive to improve.

141 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 1:41:30pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

I was told this weekend by a college kid that Toots and the Maytals were a bad Sublime cover band.

Youtube Video

Rage ensued.

142 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 9, 2014 1:42:16pm

re: #113 Kragar

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Pro-Life really only means Pro-Forced Birth.

Once they are born they can be allowed to die with no consequence.

144 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 1:42:51pm

Is it really “racial profiling” if the subject has a connection to a terrorist organization, whether domestic or abroad? Greenwald won’t admit this in the first place. He just tries to second-guess the govt. People of all races have been tied to terrorism. And domestic terrorism in the US is usually committed by white guys. Terrorism, in dictionary terms: “the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.”

145 piratedan  Jul 9, 2014 1:43:53pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

no good deed goes unpunished… you see the light, change your ways, become an outspoken opponent to the right and the Glenbots just don’t give a shit nor do they have any issue with taking your former positions and stating that they are your current positions.

It’s like arguing with Wingnuts, just different order in their galtian agenda items….

146 Varek Raith  Jul 9, 2014 1:44:34pm

re: #141 Kragar

What are they teaching kids these days?
I feel old.

147 Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 9, 2014 1:44:42pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

Man, it’s just unreal. There’s a flood of this stuff all over Twitter:

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What are they blaming you for?

Killing JFK?
AGW?
New Coke?

148 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 1:46:08pm

re: #147 Iwouldprefernotto

What are they blaming you for?

Killing JFK?
AGW?
New Coke?

The Comfy Chair.

149 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 1:46:20pm

re: #147 Iwouldprefernotto

What are they blaming you for?

Killing JFK?
AGW?
New Coke?

The Titanic
Three Mile Island
Brazil’s WC loss to Germany

150 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 9, 2014 1:46:25pm

re: #105 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

An election run by and for the GOP. I’m shocked.
//

151 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 1:46:33pm
152 Varek Raith  Jul 9, 2014 1:47:47pm

re: #151 Lidane

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Trollololo.

153 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 9, 2014 1:48:01pm

re: #151 Lidane

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They see actors. Because the rules favor floppers. Its the biggest weakness footie has.

154 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 9, 2014 1:48:04pm

re: #151 Lidane

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Infinity + 1 updings

RBS

155 dog philosopher  Jul 9, 2014 1:48:12pm

re: #55 Justanotherhuman

I hope he left enough money for his 5 kids and wife of 17 yrs.

good question

it seems a 50 foot yacht will bring in at least a mil

156 GeneJockey  Jul 9, 2014 1:48:21pm

re: #105 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

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So McDaniel thinks this is more unethical than all those elections where citizens of a particular race were excluded?

Duly noted.

157 Varek Raith  Jul 9, 2014 1:49:05pm

Severe storm rolling in.
Can I blame Charles for that???

158 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 1:49:56pm

Instead of blaming Obama, we should blame Charles. /

159 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2014 1:50:50pm

re: #144 Justanotherhuman

Wow, what a flaming asshole liar that guy is. Bob Cesca said absolutely nothing like that.

160 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 1:50:58pm
161 geoffm33  Jul 9, 2014 1:51:10pm

Enjoying the tail end of my vaca:

162 Tor  Jul 9, 2014 1:51:44pm

I just sneezed.

THANKS CHARLES
//

163 iossarian  Jul 9, 2014 1:51:46pm

re: #151 Lidane

/rant on

I’ve played both and you often have to “dive” in soccer to avoid injury. If someone comes at you from the side you’re going to take evasive action - in my view it’s a foul regardless of whether they make contact or not.

The level of pain from being kicked in the shins is higher than the level of pain from most rugby tackles, in which the purpose is to bring the other player to the ground quickly rather than specifically hit them hard.

The issue of players faking injury *after* going to ground is separate and IMHO a smaller issue than the issue of “diving”. People conflate the two and crap on about it without nuance and it’s annoying.

/rant off

164 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 9, 2014 1:51:47pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

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There are LGF Shirts???? Nobody told me that there were LGF Shirts.

RBS

165 dog philosopher  Jul 9, 2014 1:57:42pm

re: #164 RealityBasedSteve

There are LGF Shirts???? Nobody told me that there were LGF Shirts.

RBS

want!

166 Gus  Jul 9, 2014 1:58:18pm

re: #159 Charles Johnson

Wow, what a flaming asshole liar that guy is. Bob Cesca said absolutely nothing like that.

167 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 9, 2014 1:58:43pm

re: #164 RealityBasedSteve

There are LGF Shirts???? Nobody told me that there were LGF Shirts.

RBS

Lizard T - multiple colors available!

They come in chameleon, monitor, and Komodo sizes.

168 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 9, 2014 1:59:46pm

re: #165 dog philosopher

want!

Maybe we can get Klys to embroider us all some shirts.

< looking over shoulder see if she’s behind me>

169 Dr. Matt  Jul 9, 2014 2:00:58pm

re: #157 Varek Raith

Severe storm rolling in.
Can I blame Charles for that???

Nope….it’s Obama’s fault…..always.

170 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 2:01:44pm
171 iossarian  Jul 9, 2014 2:02:29pm

Incidentally, the faking injury issue in soccer would be relatively easy to address: actually enforce the rule (I think it’s a rule) that, once the stretcher is on, you have to leave the field of play until the referee allows you back. If refs kept “injured but miraculously recovered” players off the pitch for, say, 3-4 minutes consistently, player would reduce fakery considerably.

Of course, immediate substitution would be allowed for genuine injury.

172 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 9, 2014 2:02:31pm

re: #170 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Going to replace the image with a bare-chested Putin?
//

173 Testy Toad T  Jul 9, 2014 2:02:31pm

re: #151 Lidane

Related:

174 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 2:04:52pm

Its always weird when Beck says something almost reasonable

Beck said he planned on going down to McAllen, Texas on July 19 with a tractor-trailer loaded with teddy bears, soccer balls, and hot meals for some 3,000 undocumented immigrants he repeatedly referred to as “illegals.” He said he’d be joined by Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX), who has argued that President Barack Obama allowed migrants to flood the border in order to increase the share of Democratic voters in future elections.

The conservative commentator also asked viewers to consider donating to Mercury One, his charity, arguing that sending aid to the migrants wasn’t a political move.

“Through no fault of their own, they are caught in political crossfire,” Beck said of immigrant families. “And while we continue to put pressure on Washington and change its course of lawlessness, we must also help. It is not either/or. It is both. We have to be active in the political game, and we must open our hearts.”

I don’t trust the man and I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop, but I give the man credit for not jumping on the “Drive them to the border and dump them” wagon

175 bratwurst  Jul 9, 2014 2:05:24pm

re: #173 Testy Toad T

Probably not a great idea using Neymar in that graphic, as he suffered a fractured vertebra during a game last week!

176 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 9, 2014 2:06:32pm

re: #174 Kragar

I really am not sure about Beck. At first I thought he was just milking ratings, but he’s been so bizarre lately that I wonder if he is all together there mentally.

RBS

177 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 9, 2014 2:08:15pm

re: #174 Kragar

Its always weird when Beck says something almost reasonable

I don’t trust the man and I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop, but I give the man credit for not jumping on the “Drive them to the border and dump them” wagon

My guess is he’s going to tie it into his isolationism shtick somehow. That’s usually the case when he says something that sounds reasonable as a sound bite.

178 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 2:09:58pm

re: #177 William Barnett-Lewis

My guess is he’s going to tie it into his isolationism shtick somehow. That’s usually the case when he says something that sounds reasonable as a sound bite.

Pretty much my take on it. It sounds like something a reasonable person might say to drag you in, then he goes slapnuts on you with a screwball solution.

179 Dr. Matt  Jul 9, 2014 2:10:33pm
180 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 2:12:48pm

re: #179 Dr. Matt

Indiana Jones

When you get right down to it, he was really a terrible archaeologist

181 dog philosopher  Jul 9, 2014 2:12:59pm

re: #164 RealityBasedSteve

There are LGF Shirts???? Nobody told me that there were LGF Shirts.

RBS

im tellin ya boss yer missin a business opportunity here yanno

182 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 2:13:14pm

This match is either going to explode into a flurry of goals near the end or it’s going to PK’s.

Come on Argentina! Send these orange diving assholes home already. :p

183 b.d.  Jul 9, 2014 2:13:56pm

re: #180 Kragar

When you get right down to it, he was really a terrible archaeologist

And figuring that a smaller bag of gravel would weigh the same as a larger solid gold statue?

184 Testy Toad T  Jul 9, 2014 2:14:28pm

re: #180 Kragar

When you get right down to it, he was really a terrible archaeologist

Think about his competition in the early part of the 20th Century, though. We’re lucky he didn’t blow the nose off the Sphynx and crush ten Nazis with it.

185 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 2:14:42pm
186 Jordy LuhPhorj  Jul 9, 2014 2:15:05pm

re: #173 Testy Toad T

The cyclist is OK because his blood has been replaced with pure synthetic testosterone.

187 dog philosopher  Jul 9, 2014 2:15:06pm

re: #174 Kragar

Its always weird when Beck says something almost reasonable

I don’t trust the man and I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop, but I give the man credit for not jumping on the “Drive them to the border and dump them” wagon

“I’ve never taken a position more deadly to my career than this — and I have never, ever taken a position that is more right than this,” an emotional Beck said Tuesday on his show on TheBlaze TV.

“Everybody is telling me I’m seeing subscriptions down; I’m seeing Mercury One donations down,” he added. “I’m getting violent emails from people who say, you know, I’ve ‘betrayed the Republic.’ Whatever.”

the man has had a serious emotional breakdown due the pressure of acting like an absolute scumbag, moron, and insane crank for so many years

it’s gotta take it outta you

188 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 2:15:23pm

re: #176 RealityBasedSteve

I really am not sure about Beck. At first I thought he was just milking ratings, but he’s been so bizarre lately that I wonder if he is all together there mentally.

RBS

He’s not. Cocaine fried his brain a long time ago.

189 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 2:15:42pm

re: #183 b.d.

And figuring that a smaller bag of gravel would weigh the same as a larger solid gold statue?

That is assuming it was solid and not plated or hollow.

190 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 9, 2014 2:15:45pm

re: #182 Lidane

This match is either going to explode into a flurry of goals near the end or it’s going to PK’s.

Come on Argentina! Send these orange diving assholes home already. :p

I wonder if Germany drained all the goal potential off the field and it won’t regenerate for a while. So they essentially drank Messi’s milkshake.

191 dog philosopher  Jul 9, 2014 2:16:01pm

re: #183 b.d.

And figuring that a smaller bag of gravel would weigh the same as a larger solid gold statue?

mr peabody and sherman wouldn’t have made a mistake like that

192 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 2:17:09pm
WARSAW, Poland — Warsaw’s mayor said Wednesday she fired the head of a maternity hospital who refused to perform or facilitate an abortion of a badly deformed fetus for reasons of conscience.

The case — which saw the recently delivered baby put under intensive care with major brain and skull deformity — has stirred wide debate in Polish media, raising questions about the boundaries of faith in public life in a country that is traditionally Catholic but increasingly becoming secular.

Mayor Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz said she fired obstetrician Bogdan Chazan, a declared Catholic, over the case. She said a review showed that Chazan refused to perform an abortion toward the end of the legally-allowed period and failed to advise the woman on where an abortion was available and on the approaching deadline.

[…]

193 Gus  Jul 9, 2014 2:17:13pm
194 Testy Toad T  Jul 9, 2014 2:17:53pm

re: #189 Kragar

That is assuming it was solid and not plated or hollow.

Clearly it wasn’t, since as I recall, the problem was that the bag of rocks was TOO heavy, and depressed the column/plinth down into the altar.

195 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 2:18:18pm

More Russian … antifascists in Donbass.

informator.lg.ua

196 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 2:18:23pm

re: #193 Gus

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Where is Perry’s other hand? Is he pulling a Brewer?

197 b.d.  Jul 9, 2014 2:18:37pm

re: #189 Kragar

That is assuming it was solid and not plated or hollow.

They didn’t have plated or hollow statues back then.

//

198 Tor  Jul 9, 2014 2:18:37pm

re: #193 Gus

Perry doesn’t seem too amused by this.

199 Jolo5309  Jul 9, 2014 2:19:45pm

re: #193 Gus

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Who are you again?

200 Varek Raith  Jul 9, 2014 2:20:17pm

re: #199 Jolo5309

Who are you again?

The EPA, I believe.

201 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2014 2:20:49pm

re: #195 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

He seems nice.

202 Tor  Jul 9, 2014 2:21:11pm

re: #199 Jolo5309

TEH ENEMY!!11TY

203 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 2:21:23pm

Why is this news? People have been telling her to STFU since 2008.

204 raina  Jul 9, 2014 2:21:57pm

re: #140 J A P

I still read Daily Kos pretty often, but I steer clear of the Snowden diaries. Only reason I read today’s was to see if there was pushback on the BS, and there was. Raddack has been known to push BS before, and got called on it time and time again.

Anyhoo, as usual, as it has been all year, the Snowden fanatics drown out any criticism wrt the Snowden saga. They do not want a debate. If you disagree with them on any point, you have to be a NSA defender, supporter, conservadem, neoliberal, team Blue (why that one is supposed to be an insult, I have no idea), etc.

I can have concerns about my privacy and government overreach AND still think Snowden/GG are full of shit, But not according to the fanatics. It has to be all or nothing, no in-betweens.

And another thing, I find it funny that the fanatics keep spouting that it’s all about the message, not the messenger, yet they complain about messengers like Bob Cesca, Charles, et al. So which is it?

205 bratwurst  Jul 9, 2014 2:22:13pm

re: #196 wrenchwench

Where is Perry’s other hand? Is he pulling a Brewer?

His other hand is holding a bottle of syrup to present to the POTUS!

206 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 2:22:18pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

He seems nice.

And there are lots of such … nice Russian “volunteers” in Ukraine.

207 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 2:22:54pm

re: #194 Testy Toad T

Clearly it wasn’t, since as I recall, the problem was that the bag of rocks was TOO heavy, and depressed the column/plinth down into the altar.

That’s my point. He was in no position to accurately assess the weight of the idol.

208 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2014 2:23:09pm

re: #173 Testy Toad T

Anyone know who the determined cyclist is in this photo?

209 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 2:24:06pm

re: #197 b.d.

They didn’t have plated or hollow statues back then.

//

But they did apparently have impressive self loading pressurized dart systems made out of wood and twine that could last for centuries in a rainforest.

210 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 2:24:11pm

re: #206 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Here’s his page: vk.com

211 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 2:24:34pm

re: #205 bratwurst

His other hand is holding a bottle of syrup to present to the POTUS!

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Is it Throwback Thursday a day early this week?

: )

212 Varek Raith  Jul 9, 2014 2:25:19pm

re: #205 bratwurst

His other hand is holding a bottle of syrup to present to the POTUS!

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That was one weird ass event.

213 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 2:26:05pm

re: #212 Varek Raith

That was one weird ass event.

That night was best summed up by this:

Youtube Video

214 dog philosopher  Jul 9, 2014 2:26:32pm

re: #203 Lidane

Why is this news? People have been telling her to STFU since 2008.

not me!

i’m eagerly awaiting her announcement that she’s finished with the republican party and running for president on the ticket of her new teabag party

where do i donate?

215 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 2:26:56pm

My riff on a favorite wingnut meme

216 dog philosopher  Jul 9, 2014 2:30:10pm

anybody want to start the entry process for the slogan to be displayed on the new LGF t-shirts and sweatshirts?

??”lizards do it cold-bloodedly”??

217 Dr. Matt  Jul 9, 2014 2:31:25pm

Trial for theater shooting won’t be until 2015

Circuit Judge Pat Siracusa had expected to be able to set a trial date Wednesday, but several concerns caused him to delay, including the fact attorneys could still be taking depositions from witnesses up into October. The trial now is expected to happen sometime in early 2015.

Reeves, 71, who is charged with second-degree murder and aggravated battery, has been held in the Land O’ Lakes Jail since his arrest the day of the Jan. 13 shooting at the Cobb Grove 16 Theatre in Wesley Chapel.

At least he has to stay in jail the whole time considering Florida does a great job of letting murderers get away with their crimes.

218 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 2:32:42pm

Got a bootstrapper here.

[never mind, too stupid & boring to engage.]

219 Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2014 2:34:16pm

re: #182 Lidane

This match is either going to explode into a flurry of goals near the end or it’s going to PK’s.

Come on Argentina! Send these orange diving assholes home already. :p

I’m rooting for the Orange diving assholes!

220 thedopefishlives  Jul 9, 2014 2:34:29pm

G’day Lizardim from the wild north country.

221 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 2:34:50pm

re: #204 raina

I still read Daily Kos pretty often, but I steer clear of the Snowden diaries. Only reason I read today’s was to see if there was pushback on the BS, and there was. Raddack has been known to push BS before, and got called on it time and time again.

Anyhoo, as usual, as it has been all year, the Snowden fanatics drown out any criticism wrt the Snowden saga. They do not want a debate. If you disagree with them on any point, you have to be a NSA defender, supporter, conservadem, neoliberal, team Blue (why that one is supposed to be an insult, I have no idea), etc.

I can have concerns about my privacy and government overreach AND still think Snowden/GG are full of shit, But not according to the fanatics. It has to be all or nothing, no in-betweens.

And another thing, I find it funny that the fanatics keep spouting that it’s all about the message, not the messenger, yet they complain about messengers like Bob Cesca, Charles, et al. So which is it?

I’m concerned more about the Dudebro™ drive to eliminate all security and intelligence services.

They really do want to take them down. This is an anarchist/libertarian goal and why they can converge on this kind of issue, perhaps not for the same ideological reason, but still a feature of these types, not a bug.

222 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 2:35:19pm

re: #218 Pie-onist Overlord

Got a bootstrapper here.

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So if she was paying for everything on her minimum wage job, why did she leave it?

223 sagehen  Jul 9, 2014 2:35:24pm

re: #180 Kragar

When you get right down to it, he was really a terrible archaeologist

Very much so.

There are a plethora of international criminal charges against Dr. Jones, which include but are not limited to: bringing unregistered weapons into and out of the country; property damage; desecration of national and historical landmarks; impersonating officials; arson; grand theft (automobiles, motorcycles, aircraft, and watercraft in just a one week span last year); excavating without a permit; countless antiquities violations; public endangerment; voluntary and involuntary manslaughter; and, allegedly, murder.

Also, a really bad professor.

In his nine years with the department, Dr. Jones has failed to complete even one uninterrupted semester of instruction. In fact, he hasn’t been in attendance for more than four consecutive weeks since he was hired. Departmental records indicate Dr. Jones has taken more sabbaticals, sick time, personal days, conference allotments, and temporary leaves than all the other members of the department combined.

mcsweeneys.net

224 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 2:35:27pm

Libertarian bootstrappers are so lame and self absorbed.

225 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 9, 2014 2:35:48pm

re: #218 Pie-onist Overlord

Got a bootstrapper here.

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With a family? On minimum? Either you had welfare too, Ma-am, lots of monetary assistance from your family or you’re a flat out liar. Which is it?

226 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 2:36:43pm

227 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 2:38:14pm

re: #225 William Barnett-Lewis

With a family? On minimum? Either you had welfare too, Ma-am, lots of monetary assistance from your family or you’re a flat out liar. Which is it?

After peeking at its timeline, it’s too boring & stupid to bother with. Thrown back.

228 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 9, 2014 2:38:21pm

re: #223 sagehen

Meh, he’s only a slight caricature of the archaeologists/paleontologists of the late 19th century. That it was out style by the 1930’s didn’t impact the Pulp magazines much and that’s really all he ever was.

229 Targetpractice  Jul 9, 2014 2:39:54pm

re: #224 Pie-onist Overlord

Libertarian bootstrappers are so lame and self absorbed.

That’s because, nine times outta ten, they’re either charity cases who refuse to acknowledge they ever needed help or they grew up with money and have never known a time in their lives where they didn’t have the money to afford whatever they wanted. It’s like Willard Romney moaning about how he and his young wife had to spend a few months in their parent’s basement…before those same parents provided them with a new house.

230 Varek Raith  Jul 9, 2014 2:40:20pm

Indiana Jones is Han Solo.
Your arguments are invalid.
;)

231 J A P  Jul 9, 2014 2:40:55pm

re: #204 raina

team Blue (why that one is supposed to be an insult, I have no idea)

My guess, participating in our democratic system implies that they (team Blue) are not working to undermine it and bring about the anarchist utopia.

232 J A P  Jul 9, 2014 2:43:25pm

re: #215 Pie-onist Overlord

Does anyone else feel bad for stock photo models, or am I just a bleeding heart?

233 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 9, 2014 2:43:51pm

re: #230 Varek Raith

Indiana Jones is Han Solo.
Your arguments are invalid.
;)

Did you know that Nick Nolte was originally cast for Han?

234 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 9, 2014 2:44:25pm

re: #233 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Did you know that Nick Nolte was originally cast for Han?

Dodged a bullet there …

235 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 9, 2014 2:44:35pm

re: #232 J A P

Does anyone else feel bad for stock photo models, or am I just a bleeding heart?

somethingawful.com

236 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 2:45:12pm

re: #215 Pie-onist Overlord

My riff on a favorite wingnut meme

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Little Lyndsey Fifeld wants you to think a min wage job paid for her success, not Daddy’s money.

237 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 2:45:52pm

re: #208 EPR-radar

Anyone know who the determined cyclist is in this photo?

Found him. Adriano Malori of Italy. (Image #5).

Also here:

He finished the Giro 10 stages later at #145 out of 155.

238 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 2:46:25pm

re: #233 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Did you know that Nick Nolte was originally cast for Han?

Christopher Walken was also in the running

239 J A P  Jul 9, 2014 2:46:41pm

re: #221 Justanotherhuman

The thing I’ve never understood is that most anarchists I’ve known would be so exploited and vulnerable if their government-free world ever came to pass.

240 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 2:46:52pm

re: #229 Targetpractice

That’s because, nine times outta ten, they’re either charity cases who refuse to acknowledge they ever needed help or they grew up with money and have never known a time in their lives where they didn’t have the money to afford whatever they wanted. It’s like Willard Romney moaning about how he and his young wife had to spend a few months in their parent’s basement…before those same parents provided them with a new house.

Craig T. Nelson in an interview with Glenn Beck in 2009: “I’ve been on food stamps and welfare, did anybody help me out? No. No.”

241 Kid A  Jul 9, 2014 2:47:09pm

re: #164 RealityBasedSteve

There are LGF Shirts???? Nobody told me that there were LGF Shirts.

RBS

Yep. I had one with “Anti-Idiotarian Headquarters” on the back a few years ago.

242 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 9, 2014 2:48:06pm

re: #233 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Did you know that Nick Nolte was originally cast for Han?

Wasn’t Ford discovered/cast for the part when he was basically working maintenance and came to change one of Lucas’ lightbulbs?

243 GeneJockey  Jul 9, 2014 2:48:11pm

re: #229 Targetpractice

That’s because, nine times outta ten, they’re either charity cases who refuse to acknowledge they ever needed help or they grew up with money and have never known a time in their lives where they didn’t have the money to afford whatever they wanted. It’s like Willard Romney moaning about how he and his young wife had to spend a few months in their parent’s basement…before those same parents provided them with a new house.

“I’ve been on food stamps and welfare. Anybody help me out? No. No.” - Craig T. Nelson

244 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 2:48:22pm

re: #237 wrenchwench

Found him. Adriano Malori of Italy. (Image #5).

Also here:

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He finished the Giro 10 stages later at #145 out of 155.

I’ve heard that the next shower is WAY worse than the preceding crash.

245 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 2:49:14pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

Craig T. Nelson in an interview with Glenn Beck in 2009: “I’ve been on food stamps and welfare, did anybody help me out? No. No.”

And Nelson is a famous wingnut.

246 GeneJockey  Jul 9, 2014 2:49:35pm

re: #242 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Wasn’t Ford discovered/cast for the part when he was basically working maintenance and came to change one of Lucas’ lightbulbs?

He was in American Graffiti, so Lucas would already have known him, I think.

247 dog philosopher  Jul 9, 2014 2:49:48pm

re: #229 Targetpractice

That’s because, nine times outta ten, they’re either charity cases who refuse to acknowledge they ever needed help or they grew up with money and have never known a time in their lives where they didn’t have the money to afford whatever they wanted. It’s like Willard Romney moaning about how he and his young wife had to spend a few months in their parent’s basement…before those same parents provided them with a new house.

i loved willard’s story about how he made alla his money by himself

all you have to do is work hard at running the financial services company somebody hands you because your father was governor

248 GeneJockey  Jul 9, 2014 2:50:06pm

Nevermind.

249 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 2:50:26pm
250 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 9, 2014 2:50:43pm

re: #242 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Wasn’t Ford discovered/cast for the part when he was basically working maintenance and came to change one of Lucas’ lightbulbs?

He was working maintenance but Lucas already knew him - he was in American Graffiti after all.

251 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 9, 2014 2:51:03pm

re: #246 GeneJockey

He was in American Graffiti, so Lucas would already have known him, I think.

Then maybe that is when he was discovered. Heard he wasn’t even acting but got a part when changing a lightbulb something, something. Can’t remember the details.

252 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 9, 2014 2:51:36pm

re: #250 William Barnett-Lewis

He was working maintenance but Lucas already knew him - he was in American Graffiti after all.

Ah that’s it then.

253 Decatur Deb  Jul 9, 2014 2:53:08pm

re: #237 wrenchwench

Found him. Adriano Malori of Italy. (Image #5).

Also here:

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He finished the Giro 10 stages later at #145 out of 155.

Crowd favorite for ‘Skin in the Game’ award.

254 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 2:53:17pm

Extra time. Holy shit what an exhausting match.

255 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 9, 2014 2:53:34pm

Ah, from Ford’s Wiki article:

He was then hired to build cabinets at the home of director George Lucas, who subsequently cast him in a pivotal supporting role for his film American Graffiti (1973).[8] Ford’s relationship with Lucas would profoundly affect his career later on. After director Francis Ford Coppola’s film The Godfather was a success, he hired Ford to expand his office and gave him small roles in his next two films, The Conversation (1974) and Apocalypse Now (1979); in the latter film he played an army officer named “G. Lucas.” During this early period Ford often came to auditions directly from work still wearing his carpenter’s clothes and gear, to subtly remind casting directors that he had other options in life.

256 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 2:53:40pm

re: #249 Kragar

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Another talentless bum benefiting from having a famous parent.

257 klys  Jul 9, 2014 2:54:33pm

re: #244 wrenchwench

I’ve heard that the next shower is WAY worse than the preceding crash.

I can so totally believe that.

I seriously blistered the back of both heels while snowshoeing a few years ago. No blood, but ….that shower was the most painful thing.

258 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 2:54:53pm

re: #254 Lidane

Extra time. Holy shit what an exhausting match.

259 Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2014 2:56:15pm

re: #254 Lidane

Extra time. Holy shit what an exhausting match.

My desire to leave work and get home way exceeds my passion for this match. 330 I’m outta here no matter.

260 GeneJockey  Jul 9, 2014 2:56:21pm

re: #250 William Barnett-Lewis

He was working maintenance but Lucas already knew him - he was in American Graffiti after all.

He played the New Guy With The Hot Car from out of town who came to challenge The Local Drag Racing King, and briefly stole Shirley Cindy Williams’ character from Opie Richie Cunningham Ron Howard’s character before losing control driving in a straight line and crashing with, miraculously, nobody injured.

261 Bubblehead II  Jul 9, 2014 2:59:05pm

re: #244 wrenchwench

I’ve heard that the next shower is WAY worse than the preceding crash.

Road rash + warm soapy water + wash cloth = intense pain.

Been there a couple of times.

262 J A P  Jul 9, 2014 3:01:00pm

re: #129 b.d.

Interesting article. Until recently, I had assumed Charles was a conservative. I really didn’t know any details.

Johnson began taking shots at not only Vlaams Belang, an organization it seems safe to say the vast majority of his readers had never heard of

Funny, I had heard of them. I started to pay attention to far right European nationalist parties years ago when one of my neighbors got involved with a group that had ties to the Front National.

263 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 3:03:11pm

The Poke has been tweeting photos of Lionel Messi modeling underwear to keep people interested since the match hasn’t been doing so.

264 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2014 3:03:17pm

265 Zamb  Jul 9, 2014 3:03:18pm

re: #247 dog philosopher

Remember when they had to sell some stock to get by? Must have been a nightmare.

266 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 3:03:51pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

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Wrong horse’s end.

267 thedopefishlives  Jul 9, 2014 3:04:13pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

I surface from work for FIVE FREAKING SECONDS and you guys have to go all bent on me. I swear, I can’t leave you guys alone.

268 De Kolta Chair  Jul 9, 2014 3:04:44pm

GG WAS arrested and tortured — He’s just saving the story for his next book!!!!!

269 Gus  Jul 9, 2014 3:05:14pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

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270 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 3:05:54pm
271 Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2014 3:06:40pm
272 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 9, 2014 3:07:49pm

re: #271 Stanley Sea

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How they manage to remember to breath when that seems too intellectually difficult for them?

273 Zamb  Jul 9, 2014 3:10:07pm

re: #270 Lidane

Land grabs is fine to keep them messicans out. The only people that’d object are pussy librul traitors.

274 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 3:14:23pm

HURR HURR FREE MARKETS!!!!!!

275 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 3:15:18pm

ROFL:

276 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 9, 2014 3:15:45pm

re: #269 Gus

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The pantomime horse is now governor of Texas!?!

277 Tor  Jul 9, 2014 3:16:18pm

re: #276 Feline Fearless Leader

The pantomime horse is now governor of Texas!?!

Would certainly make a better one than Rick Perry.

278 Zamb  Jul 9, 2014 3:18:24pm

re: #275 Lidane

Might be the best thing I’ve ever seen.

279 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 9, 2014 3:18:37pm

re: #275 Lidane

Joked with a friend on facebook that brazil was an unwilling participant in a german sheitze video.

280 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 3:21:10pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

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A horse’s ass would have been more appropriate. : )

281 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 3:21:12pm

re: #275 Lidane

I suppose there are already a dozen versions of the Ger v. Br. brazzers meme available…

I mean this one:

282 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 3:25:13pm

112 minutes into this game and it’s still 0-0. It’s like the soccer gods have decided to make up for yesterday’s blowout with a long slog to the bitter end.

Sheesh.

283 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 3:25:48pm

Arizona official: Medical marijuana can be used for post-traumatic stress disorder - @azcentral
Read more on azcentral.com

284 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 3:27:06pm

re: #282 Lidane

112 minutes into this game and it’s still 0-0. It’s like the soccer gods have decided to make up for yesterday’s blowout with a long slog to the bitter end.

Sheesh.

285 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 3:27:48pm
286 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 3:30:22pm
287 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 3:31:25pm
288 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 3:32:08pm

I have to say, watching the match on twitter is a whole lot more satisfying than watching the actual match.

289 The War TARDIS  Jul 9, 2014 3:32:19pm

I am about 32% Dutch, and I want to see them get their butt kicked by Argentina for there silly diving shit.

Dad, who is majority Dutch, claims they didn’t dive.

290 Tor  Jul 9, 2014 3:33:47pm

re: #282 Lidane

112 minutes into this game and it’s still 0-0. It’s like the soccer gods have decided to make up for yesterday’s blowout with a long slog to the bitter end.

Sheesh.

Five hours later….

Still 0-0

291 Gus  Jul 9, 2014 3:33:49pm
292 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 3:33:55pm

They’re going to penalties. WTF.

293 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 3:34:25pm
294 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 9, 2014 3:34:50pm

re: #291 Gus

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Rick is upset that someone used a 4-syllable word.

295 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 3:35:27pm

The rhetoric is heating up. One side attacks the other and then claims “genocide” when the other retaliates.

Report: 4 killed and dozens injured after fresh Israeli airstrikes on Gaza - @AlArabiya_Eng
Read more on alarabiya.net

Let’s hope cooler heads will prevail and there will be a cease fire soon.

296 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 3:35:37pm
297 Jolo5309  Jul 9, 2014 3:35:44pm

re: #291 Gus

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Hey Rick, what were the names of those agencies you were closing again?

298 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 3:36:25pm

re: #291 Gus

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Not having fun, Ricky?

299 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 3:36:44pm
300 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 3:37:22pm
301 KingKenrod  Jul 9, 2014 3:37:49pm

re: #291 Gus

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Perry looks like Grumpy Cat.

302 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2014 3:37:57pm

re: #291 Gus

I asked for a list of three things that you want in the border bill Rick. Oh…

303 Tor  Jul 9, 2014 3:38:05pm

re: #291 Gus

Perry: I’d rather be watching the World Cup right now.

304 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 3:39:09pm
305 Gus  Jul 9, 2014 3:39:16pm
306 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 3:40:17pm

Bizarre stuff in Texas…

Officer critical, others injured after man sets himself on fire in Cedar Hill

wfaa.com

307 Tor  Jul 9, 2014 3:40:23pm

I like how Perry can’t even seem to pretend to be friendly. Speaks volumes.

308 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 3:41:24pm
309 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 9, 2014 3:42:32pm

re: #306 Justanotherhuman

Bizarre stuff in Texas…

Officer critical, others injured after man sets himself on fire in Cedar Hill

wfaa.com

Their wings aren’t that great but that is a bit extreme //

310 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 3:42:39pm

re: #305 Gus

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Hahaha!

P. T. Greenwald

311 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 3:45:23pm

re: #305 Gus

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Two things:

-I don’t think Greenwald would touch a Present Progressive Tense with a ten foot pencil.

-Stealing ‘nit-pickily’.

312 Gus  Jul 9, 2014 3:46:15pm
313 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 3:47:29pm
314 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2014 3:48:58pm

re: #291 Gus

What crawled up Perry’s butt and died? Seriously, it looks like he’s having an invasive procedure done.

315 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 3:50:22pm

re: #314 EPR-radar

What crawled up Perry’s butt and died? Seriously, it looks like he’s having an invasive procedure done.

He’s not the most popular guy at the party this time.

316 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 3:50:42pm
317 b.d.  Jul 9, 2014 3:52:27pm

re: #310 Justanotherhuman

Hahaha!

P. T. Greenwald

That is awesome Gus

Can we please have a Major Tom Thumb Snowden thrown in?

318 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 3:52:29pm

last soccer tweet for the night…

319 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 3:52:46pm

re: #314 EPR-radar

What crawled up Perry’s butt and died? Seriously, it looks like he’s having an invasive procedure done.

A bad carrot.

Youtube Video

320 b.d.  Jul 9, 2014 3:53:07pm

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Looks like Perry just swallowed a bug.

321 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 3:53:31pm

Gus, could you do the Putins of the Damned? :)

322 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 3:55:53pm

re: #320 b.d.

Looks like Perry just swallowed a bug.

Obama is an exorcist. The demons in Perry are not feeling well.

323 Gus  Jul 9, 2014 3:56:16pm

15 minutes ago. It worked! Sort of.

324 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 9, 2014 3:58:39pm

Well time to root for Germany even more.

325 Gus  Jul 9, 2014 3:59:04pm

Oops. Messed that up.

326 Gus  Jul 9, 2014 3:59:23pm

re: #320 b.d.

Looks like Perry just swallowed a bug.

Maybe later.

327 Gus  Jul 9, 2014 3:59:40pm

Messed up again. I quit! :O

328 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 3:59:57pm

re: #327 Gus

I got the message ;)

329 b.d.  Jul 9, 2014 4:02:08pm

re: #327 Gus

Messed up again. I quit! :O

Messing up today is understandable considering the earth shattering news that Greenwald dumped on us about whatever it was.

330 allegro  Jul 9, 2014 4:02:22pm

So here’s a topic for Happy Hour…

It’s my job to come up with a great summer drink for a bruncheon Thing I’m going to Sunday. I’m thinking a coffee frappe. Here are the ingredients I got:

Mocha Kahlua
Caramel Vodka
Espresso
Milk
Vanilla soy milk
Ice

They all don’t have to go in the final drink. Ideas?

331 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 4:02:56pm

re: #330 allegro

So here’s a topic for Happy Hour…

It’s my job to come up with a great summer drink for a bruncheon Thing I’m going to Sunday. I’m thinking a coffee frappe. Here are the ingredients I got:

Mocha Kahlua
Caramel Vodka
Espresso
Milk
Vanilla soy milk
Ice

They all don’t have to go in the final drink. Ideas?

Mix everything.

332 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 4:03:45pm

These self-righteous jerks have a lot to answer for. “Self-involved, shallow contortions…?” “I know you are but what am I?”

333 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 4:04:20pm

OK, this is really the last soccer tweet:

334 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 4:04:54pm

...

335 allegro  Jul 9, 2014 4:05:12pm

re: #331 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Mix everything.

:P

336 Kid A  Jul 9, 2014 4:05:44pm

Obama is speaking about immigration now.

337 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 4:06:09pm

re: #330 allegro

So here’s a topic for Happy Hour…

It’s my job to come up with a great summer drink for a bruncheon Thing I’m going to Sunday. I’m thinking a coffee frappe. Here are the ingredients I got:

Mocha Kahlua
Caramel Vodka
Espresso
Milk
Vanilla soy milk
Ice

They all don’t have to go in the final drink. Ideas?

Leave out the soy milk. Add cream or ice cream. Invite me.

338 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 4:06:14pm

One more attempt:

The message says “Become one of us”.

Image: 10502134_804844829549096_7545344286244804980_n.jpg

339 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 4:06:37pm

re: #338 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Hmm, doesn’t work. Whatever :D

340 b.d.  Jul 9, 2014 4:07:38pm

I CAN’T WAIT UNTIL I BREAK AN EARTH SHATTERING STORY SO I CAN SPEND THE ENTIRE DAY FIGHTING WITH PEOPLE ON TWITTER ABOUT IT

341 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 4:07:41pm

re: #338 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

One more attempt:

The message says “Become one of us”.

Image: 10502134_804844829549096_7545344286244804980_n.jpg

It worked that time.

342 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 4:08:15pm

re: #338 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

One more attempt:

The message says “Become one of us”.

343 dog philosopher  Jul 9, 2014 4:09:35pm

re: #330 allegro

So here’s a topic for Happy Hour…

It’s my job to come up with a great summer drink for a bruncheon Thing I’m going to Sunday. I’m thinking a coffee frappe. Here are the ingredients I got:

Mocha Kahlua
Caramel Vodka
Espresso
Milk
Vanilla soy milk
Ice

They all don’t have to go in the final drink. Ideas?

plain vodka

everybody over to allegro’s house party party party party!

344 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 4:11:35pm
345 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 4:13:45pm
346 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 9, 2014 4:16:03pm

re: #345 wrenchwench

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well, that’s awkward.

RBS

347 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 4:17:50pm

re: #332 Justanotherhuman

These self-righteous jerks have a lot to answer for. “Self-involved, shallow contortions…?” “I know you are but what am I?”

[Embedded content]

Self-awareness, he has none.

348 allegro  Jul 9, 2014 4:19:16pm

re: #343 dog philosopher

plain vodka

everybody over to allegro’s house party party party party!

Y’all should come over now to help me test out all the possible variations. I can’t just leave it to chance, after all. I tried 2 this afternoon. Espresso + soy milk + Kahlua + ice = ok, but kinda bland. Kailua + vodka + milk + ice (mocha caramel white Russian frappe) = delicious but terribly sweet. About put me on my ass, too.

Somehow my ‘kids’ still got fed, but I’m not sure how. Aaaaand I get to try more tomorrow. :D

349 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 4:20:18pm

OK what kind of pie this week?

I’m thinking maybe a vanilla cream with strawberries.

350 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 9, 2014 4:21:34pm

re: #349 Pie-onist Overlord

OK what kind of pie this week?

I’m thinking maybe a vanilla cream with strawberries.

Tiramisu!

351 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 9, 2014 4:23:33pm

re: #348 allegro

Y’all should come over now to help me test out all the possible variations. I can’t just leave it to chance, after all. I tried 2 this afternoon. Espresso + soy milk + Kahlua + ice = ok, but kinda bland. Kailua + vodka + milk + ice (mocha caramel white Russian frappe) = delicious but terribly sweet. About put me on my ass, too.

Somehow my ‘kids’ still got fed, but I’m not sure how. Aaaaand I get to try more tomorrow. :D

I don’t drink any more, but running those flavors through my brain, what about doing the first one, but adding a shake or two of cinnamon to it? That should put a bit more depth into it. You want enough to just start to taste, but not enough that you can say “oh, that’s got cinnamon in it”

Give that a shot.

RBS

352 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 9, 2014 4:24:46pm

re: #349 Pie-onist Overlord

OK what kind of pie this week?

I’m thinking maybe a vanilla cream with strawberries.

Black Forest Cream Pie

353 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 4:25:56pm

Compassionate conservatism.

354 b.d.  Jul 9, 2014 4:28:53pm

re: #349 Pie-onist Overlord

OK what kind of pie this week?

I’m thinking maybe a vanilla cream with strawberries.

sounds wonderful

355 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 4:28:58pm

re: #352 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Black Forest Cream Pie

Mmmm. Too sweet for me (and I’d use real whipped cream), but I do have cherries in the fridge that I’ve been eating by themselves…can’t have all that sugar in the pie.

356 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 9, 2014 4:29:56pm

re: #355 Justanotherhuman

Mmmm. Too sweet for me (and I’d use real whipped cream), but I do have cherries in the fridge that I’ve been eating by themselves…can’t have all that sugar in the pie.

My favorite pie is Strawberry Rhubarb.

357 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2014 4:30:07pm

Orly Taitz has a solution for the illegal immigration problem.

You learn something really stupid every day at Orly’s.

358 allegro  Jul 9, 2014 4:30:30pm

re: #351 RealityBasedSteve

I don’t drink any more, but running those flavors through my brain, what about doing the first one, but adding a shake or two of cinnamon to it? That should put a bit more depth into it. You want enough to just start to taste, but not enough that you can say “oh, that’s got cinnamon in it”

Give that a shot.

RBS

That sounds like a great idea. That plus using less milk to bring up the espresso flavor more. I’ll try it tomorrow. *hic* Thanks!

359 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 9, 2014 4:32:09pm

re: #357 Skip Intro

Orly Taitz has a solution for the illegal immigration problem.

[Embedded image]

You learn something really stupid every day at Orly’s.

No cost. Military airplanes are fueled by speculation and pleonasm.

360 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 4:32:37pm

President Obama on talk with Texas Gov. Rick Perry: ‘I didn’t get any promises but it was a constructive conversation’ - @markknoller
End of alert

16m
Texas Gov. Perry asks President Obama to deploy more National Guard troops to border, direct FAA to allow drones for surveillance - @ArletteSaenz via @ABC
End of alert

361 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 9, 2014 4:32:49pm

Uh oh…

362 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 4:34:25pm

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

Uh oh…

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THERE IS PIE FOR EVERYONE!!!

363 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 9, 2014 4:34:44pm

re: #357 Skip Intro

Orly Taitz has a solution for the illegal immigration problem.

[Embedded image]

You learn something really stupid every day at Orly’s.

OMG… I’ve ridden on a few C-5s in my day. How does one even start to think that you put 20,000 people on one plane? I mean, I know that logistics (law, rational thought) isn’t her speciality, but WTF!!!! Really???

RBS

364 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 4:34:46pm

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

Uh oh…

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Right. There should be one pie maker for EACH pie eater.

Has she been in the kitchen since 2008?

Has she looked up ‘commonsense’?

365 Gus  Jul 9, 2014 4:35:27pm
366 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 4:35:55pm

re: #364 wrenchwench

Right. There should be one pie maker for EACH pie eater.

Has she been in the kitchen since 2008?

Has she looked up ‘commonsense’?

You can get 8-10 slices out of one pie.

367 Varek Raith  Jul 9, 2014 4:37:14pm

re: #359 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

No cost. Military airplanes are fueled by speculation and pleonasm.

No.
Unicorn farts.

368 calochortus  Jul 9, 2014 4:38:14pm

re: #362 Pie-onist Overlord

THERE IS PIE FOR EVERYONE!!!

Yay! We are saved! Thank you VB.

369 Varek Raith  Jul 9, 2014 4:38:28pm

re: #366 Pie-onist Overlord

You can get 8-10 slices out of one pie.

Yeah, but I get all the slices.
Right…?
;)

370 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2014 4:39:21pm

re: #359 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

No cost. Military airplanes are fueled by speculation and pleonasm.

I’m surprised Orly didn’t suggest using boxcars.

371 allegro  Jul 9, 2014 4:39:32pm

re: #364 wrenchwench

Right. There should be one pie maker for EACH pie eater.

Has she been in the kitchen since 2008?

Has she looked up ‘commonsense’?

What? You don’t have a personal chef?!

372 calochortus  Jul 9, 2014 4:39:33pm

re: #364 wrenchwench

Right. There should be one pie maker for EACH pie eater.

Has she been in the kitchen since 2008?

Has she looked up ‘commonsense’?

Of course she has been in the kitchen recently-remember the Thanksgiving photo of her preparing to carve an upside-down turkey with a cheese knife?

373 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 4:39:40pm

re: #353 wrenchwench

Must be more of that GOP Latino outreach.

375 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2014 4:41:09pm

re: #363 RealityBasedSteve

OMG… I’ve ridden on a few C-5s in my day. How does one even start to think that you put 20,000 people on one plane? I mean, I know that logistics (law, rational thought) isn’t her speciality, but WTF!!!! Really???

RBS

I think her plan is to make them all lay down, then stack them on top of each other until the plane is full.

Fortunately, Orly has already determined that their parents all live in the same place the plane will land.

376 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 9, 2014 4:41:31pm

re: #357 Skip Intro

Orly Taitz has a solution for the illegal immigration problem.

[Embedded image]

You learn something really stupid every day at Orly’s.

ok, about 10 seconds of research leads me to believe that with troop pallets installed, plus people in the upper section (where I always flew), looks like max loadout for paxs is about 350 or a bit more. answers.yahoo.com

Gee, only off by a factor of 55. Idjots.

RBS

377 Varek Raith  Jul 9, 2014 4:41:50pm

re: #363 RealityBasedSteve

OMG… I’ve ridden on a few C-5s in my day. How does one even start to think that you put 20,000 people on one plane? I mean, I know that logistics (law, rational thought) isn’t her speciality, but WTF!!!! Really???

RBS

Two words; Pocket dimensions.

378 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2014 4:42:33pm

re: #359 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The stupid hurts so much with Taitz. Where does she even get her math from?

A single C-17 can carry 134 troops (w/pallets).

The C-130 could carry 92 troops (w/pallets).

Even if you’re running round trips, it’s going to take a whole lot of time and fuel to get to 3,000-5,000 in a brigade. It usually takes a squadron of planes to move a brigade.

379 BeenHereAwhile  Jul 9, 2014 4:43:22pm

re: #216 dog philosopher

anybody want to start the entry process for the slogan to be displayed on the new LGF t-shirts and sweatshirts?

??”lizards do it cold-bloodedly”??

poikilotherm

380 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2014 4:44:07pm

re: #376 RealityBasedSteve

Nothing is impossible if you’ve got a TARDIS.

381 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 9, 2014 4:44:12pm

re: #377 Varek Raith

Two words; Pocket dimensions.

Put them in bags of holding, until the bag is full. Then take all those bags of holding, and put them into another bag of holding. Repeat recursively until you are down to a single bag. If you do it right, you could ship them all in a Fed-Ex Overnight pouch.

Problem solved.

RBS

382 Varek Raith  Jul 9, 2014 4:45:41pm

re: #381 RealityBasedSteve

Put them in bags of holding, until the bag is full. Then take all those bags of holding, and put them into another bag of holding. Repeat recursively until you are down to a single bag. If you do it right, you could ship them all in a Fed-Ex Overnight pouch.

Problem solved.

RBS

You have no idea how many DMs shot that idea down when I proposed them.
XD

383 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 9, 2014 4:45:49pm

re: #378 lawhawk

The stupid hurts so much with Taitz. Where does she even get her math from?

A single C-17 can carry 134 troops (w/pallets).

The C-130 could carry 92 troops (w/pallets).

Even if you’re running round trips, it’s going to take a whole lot of time and fuel to get to 3,000-5,000 in a brigade. It usually takes a squadron of planes to move a brigade.

Having flown in the side seats in a C-130 from Texas to Honduras, I can tell you that is borderline cruel and unusual punishment.

RBS

384 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 4:48:04pm

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

Uh oh…

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Hey Palin, shut your pie hole.

385 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 9, 2014 4:48:52pm

re: #379 BeenHereAwhile

poikilotherm

re: #216 dog philosopher

anybody want to start the entry process for the slogan to be displayed on the new LGF t-shirts and sweatshirts?

??”lizards do it cold-bloodedly”??

??LFG - Don’t blame us, we’re irrelevant”??
?? LGF - Where Truth isn’t confused with Stupid??
??LGF - Don’t mistake Civility for lack of Passion??

386 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 4:49:25pm

re: #357 Skip Intro

Orly Taitz has a solution for the illegal immigration problem.

[Embedded image]

You learn something really stupid every day at Orly’s.

I’d like to see the military plane capable of carrying 20,000 people in one flight.

387 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 4:49:58pm
388 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 4:50:46pm

re: #385 RealityBasedSteve

??LFG - Don’t blame us, we’re irrelevant”??
?? LGF - Where Truth isn’t confused with Stupid??
??LGF - Don’t mistake Civility for lack of Passion??

LGF: NSA Liberals!

389 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 4:50:53pm

re: #357 Skip Intro

I didn’t know US military transports were free to fly and operate. Who would have ever guessed?

390 Killgore Trout  Jul 9, 2014 4:51:20pm

Something everybody should read, but no one will heed
America’s Hollow Foreign-Policy Debate

How did it all come to this? How can we be so paralyzed intellectually and militarily? Naturally, partisans have made up their minds and their answers are as predictable as they are unimaginative.
….
I propose the following—more out of optimism than realism—as a kind of pact among Americans of all political persuasions to follow as guidelines for a more honest and less angry debate about foreign policy and the use of force. All of them amount to a plea for consistency over partisanship, but there are some specific areas to consider.

First, stop abusing the words “national interest.”

Those words do not have scientific meaning. They are terms of art, political expressions of a coherent view of what is best for our country. They are not words that have a meaning independent of the person using them. If you truly believe that the national interest only extends as far as America’s shores (or to the boundaries of our close allies), then be willing to think through—and to live with—the implications of your view. If you have a more expansive conception of interest that includes our values as something worth fighting for, then be willing to acknowledge the costs you’re proposing. In any case, the term “national interest” should be the start of a conversation, not the end of one.

391 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2014 4:51:22pm

re: #381 RealityBasedSteve

Put them in bags of holding, until the bag is full. Then take all those bags of holding, and put them into another bag of holding. Repeat recursively until you are down to a single bag. If you do it right, you could ship them all in a Fed-Ex Overnight pouch.

Problem solved.

RBS

In Nethack, bags of holding explode when one is placed inside another. However, nesting the bag of holding in intervening normal sacks could decrease the chance of this explosion.

This has been another installment of totally useless trivia I learned while wasting time in grad school.

392 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 4:51:24pm

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

Uh oh…

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393 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 9, 2014 4:53:06pm

re: #392 Kragar
It sounded better when it was “Let them eat cake” @SarahPalinUSA #uniteblue
6:50 PM - 9 Jul 2014

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There are not enough updings in this universe for that!!!! I am going to go get my hat so I can take it off for you.

RBS

394 Justanotherhuman  Jul 9, 2014 4:54:16pm

re: #392 Kragar

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And when Palin wasn’t raking crumbs from the children of her stupid supporters who send her their pie money.

395 Killgore Trout  Jul 9, 2014 4:55:28pm

I’m shocked that memes circulated on the internet aren’t factually accurate
An image of nine white, blond women shows “the amazing diversity of Fox News anchors.”

Mostly False

396 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 9, 2014 4:55:38pm

re: #390 Killgore Trout

Something everybody should read, but no one will heed
America’s Hollow Foreign-Policy Debate

Oh yeah, sweet article.

The president, in denial about his administration’s many failures, has retreated into churlish defensiveness.

Nothing like a ‘non-partisan’ pro-interventionist article that takes a swipe at the president at the same time he sanctimoniously scolds pretty much everyone but himself for not being ‘serious’ about foreign policy.

I can see why you like it.

397 Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2014 4:56:30pm

re: #291 Gus

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Looks like Perry just noticed he must have stepped in some dog shit on the way into the meeting.

398 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 9, 2014 4:57:00pm

re: #395 Killgore Trout

I’m shocked that memes circulated on the internet aren’t factually accurate
An image of nine white, blond women shows “the amazing diversity of Fox News anchors.”

Hahah!

As you can see from the images above, the majority of Fox News’ female on-air talent is white. But they are not universally white. Arthel Neville is African-American and Uma Pemmaraju describes herself as the first Indian-American anchor to regularly appear on national television.

A Facebook post used an image of female Fox News anchors to say that the network lacks diversity in its staff. We found that for those women who are anchors or hosts in any capacity, about half are blond. And while most are white, not all are.

The Facebook image gives the strong impression that all female Fox News anchors and hosts look alike. That’s misleading. We rate the claim Mostly False.

Are they seriously claiming that the brunettes are ‘diversity’? Do they not get the point of the meme?

That is amazing obtuseness.

399 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 4:58:26pm

re: #398 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

CLEARLY DIFFERENT HAIR COLORS = DIVERSITY. Confirmed. FACT.

Why do you hate America?

400 Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2014 4:58:31pm

re: #387 Lidane

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Remember the cache he crossed with. All loaded, the hand gun in the driver’s side door

Ya, very inconsequential.

401 Killgore Trout  Jul 9, 2014 4:59:40pm

Despite Israel’s attempts to avoid collateral damage mistakes can happen

Israeli army says the killing of 8 Gazan family members was in error

According to the military relatives of Odeh Kaware were warned of air strike and left the home but returned too soon; pilot was unable to divert the bomb.

402 Skip Intro  Jul 9, 2014 5:00:01pm

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wonder which one Palin thinks she is?

403 Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2014 5:00:59pm

Has the President left Texas yet?

I will feel a whole hell of a lot better once wheels are up.

404 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 5:01:26pm

re: #403 Stanley Sea

Has the President left Texas yet?

I will feel a whole hell of a lot better once wheels are up.

No. He speaks here in Austin tomorrow.

405 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2014 5:01:38pm

re: #401 Killgore Trout

And there are reports that the family got the knock on the roof and a phone call, left the building, and some went back. In fact, some neighbors claimed that they went back to be human shields.

The worst civilian death toll—seven, at the latest count—occurred in a strike on the Khan Yunis home of a terrorist commander. Hamas calls it a “massacre against women and children.” But residents say the family got both a warning call and a knock on the roof. An Israeli security official says Israeli forces didn’t fire their missile until the family had left the house. The official didn’t understand why some members of the family, and apparently their neighbors, went back inside. The residents say they were trying to “form a human shield.”

406 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 5:01:44pm

As long as we’re fact checking:

407 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 9, 2014 5:02:29pm

Fox has a majority, not just a plurality, of white, blonde news hosts. And the Tampa Bay Times seriously calls the meme ‘mostly false’. I mean, it’d be literally ‘mostly true’.

They really invented a sweet media scam by branding themselves ‘factcheckers’. This may be a new low.

408 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2014 5:02:35pm

re: #403 Stanley Sea

Has the President left Texas yet?

I will feel a whole hell of a lot better once wheels are up.

I’d wait a bit for Air Force One to get out of SAM range. //

409 Eventual Carrion  Jul 9, 2014 5:02:40pm

re: #338 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

One more attempt:

The message says “Become one of us”.

Image: 10502134_804844829549096_7545344286244804980_n.jpg

“We have cookies and doggie treats!”

410 Killgore Trout  Jul 9, 2014 5:04:38pm

re: #405 lawhawk

And there are reports that the family got the knock on the roof and a phone call, left the building, and some went back. In fact, some neighbors claimed that they went back to be human shields.

That trend has really put the Israelis in a tough spot. Hamas was on TV today praising the human shields and encouraging more. Sadly, I think the more humane thing for Israel to do is stop the roof knocking and just hit the building. The warnings just give the Palestinians time to increase the death toll or divert the attack.

411 Kid A  Jul 9, 2014 5:06:56pm

Meanwhile, this just in from planet wingnut:

I’ve said it before, but it needs repeating. The % of infected immigrants is so much higher than the frequency of diseases found in those nations. That means that preferentially the sick and diseased are managing to despite their illnesses travel long distances across mexico to get to our border. We are beyond statistical probability and into purposeful action.

In short the infected illegals are nothing more than a BIO-weapon delivery system, someone is waging war on the American citizens and they are using bio-warfare as the means of attacking us.

412 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 5:07:41pm

re: #400 Stanley Sea

Remember the cache he crossed with. All loaded, the hand gun in the driver’s side door

Ya, very inconsequential.

Maybe driving around a major city with an arsenal in your truck isn’t the best idea.

413 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 9, 2014 5:07:53pm

re: #410 Killgore Trout

The warnings just give the Palestinians time to increase the death toll or divert the attack.

You said ‘Palestinians’ when you meant “Hamas” again.

414 calochortus  Jul 9, 2014 5:09:30pm

re: #411 Kid A

And is this working? Are there massive outbreaks of anything? Apparently not.
Always excepting things like measles and pertussis that spread when people don’t get their kids immunized.

415 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 5:11:12pm

Todd Starnes conflates himself with Obama.

416 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 5:13:57pm

re: #415 Pie-onist Overlord

Todd Starnes clearly has no idea what anything costs these days. A beer and a slice of pizza for $5? ROFL.

417 EPR-radar  Jul 9, 2014 5:14:13pm

re: #411 Kid A

Dear Wingnuts, what part of this is not clear?

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

418 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 5:15:14pm
419 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 9, 2014 5:15:23pm

re: #383 RealityBasedSteve

Having flown in the side seats in a C-130 from Texas to Honduras, I can tell you that is borderline cruel and unusual punishment.

RBS

Been in one too. Low slow & in nice conditions, it’s not _too_ bad. Get rough air though? Ralph central…

420 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 5:17:05pm
421 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 9, 2014 5:17:12pm

re: #390 Killgore Trout

Why don’t you just tell us what we’re supposed to be concerned about?

422 lawhawk  Jul 9, 2014 5:17:13pm

And again. 5 shot and killed, 2 injured in Houston, plus two kids also injured.

The bodies were discovered at or near a home on Leaflet Lane near Interstate 45 and Cypresswood. While Harris County Precinct 4 deputies were responding to that scene, Sky Eye HD noticed a vehicle leaving the scene. Several patrol units gave chase.

The pursuit lasted only a few minutes and never seemed to reach high speeds. The chase ended in a cul-de-sac and there’s currently a standoff underway. Watch live Sky Eye HD video

UPDATE:
The Chronicle is reporting 5 dead, 3 of whom are children. Two others also injured. Total of 7 people shot.

423 Zamb  Jul 9, 2014 5:21:57pm

re: #415 Pie-onist Overlord

What the hell does this even mean? Obama once bought pizza and beer so that makes him a terrible person? He has more than $5.

424 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 5:22:13pm

Todd has a sad that POTUS doesn’t wear gangsta, saggy pants.

425 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 9, 2014 5:23:14pm

re: #423 Zamb

What the hell does this even mean? Obama once bought pizza and beer so that makes him a terrible person? He has more than $5.

Todd Starnes is the guy on Fox who makes up bogus stories about HURR HURR!!!!! LIBRUL KINDERGARTEN TEACHER TOLD LITTLE GIRL SHE COULDN’T SAY GRACE TO JESUS AT SNACK TIME!!!!!!111

426 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 5:23:18pm
427 KiTA  Jul 9, 2014 5:24:45pm

Thank god the work week is over. Staying up late because tomorrow the new girl at work and I are going to Boise to see the Zoo and Aquarium, after she gets off work. Saw a movie with her yesterday, too, but still not sure where it’s all headed (the curse of the shy geek). Either way, been a pretty good week all things considered.

My rare Sarracenia Rosea started to crash, hard, so I peeled back some of the dead matter on the edges and discovered the rhizome was rotting, right in the middle of the fresh new growth (which wilted and withered over the course of 2 days), sodden pink mass everywhere.

Either it caught one of a handful of infections — Rhizoctonia and Fusarium are bad, Cylindrocaladium will kill every living plant I own — or I burned the hell out of it with a fertilizer spray which corresponded with the exact spot that it’s dying back at.

I used a pocket knife and pruned basically all that out and the outer layer. It now looks like a particularly small and angry potato. Not sure if it’s going to recover - it’s darkening up and turning reddish (which is the color of rotted rhizome) but that might just be it scarring up. The last healthy growth point broke off, and I have it in a humidity dome with rooting hormone.

Having a lot of fun tormenting the Snowden and Greenwald cultists on reddit. Having fun with Climate Deniers on Slashdot, too.

428 Killgore Trout  Jul 9, 2014 5:25:15pm

re: #421 William Barnett-Lewis

Why don’t you just tell us what we’re supposed to be concerned about?

Partisanship has dumbed down our foreign policy debate, like many other serious issues facing our country. blinding hate of our fellow citizens has created an environment that makes serious discussions very difficult. You should read the article.

429 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 5:26:24pm

WHY WON’T OBAMA WORK WITH REPUBLICANS? THEY TRY SO HARD TO DO THINGS.

The concern is overwhelming.

430 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 5:27:35pm

RABID PARTISANSHIP!

431 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 9, 2014 5:28:40pm

re: #424 Pie-onist Overlord

Todd has a sad that POTUS doesn’t wear gangsta, saggy pants.

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But he was flying gangsta colors when he wore a purple tie.

RBS

432 Killgore Trout  Jul 9, 2014 5:28:55pm

re: #427 KiTA

If you get desperate try a bit of hydrogen peroxide when you water. Kills off fungus, root rot and bugs while providing oxygen to the roots. I use it all the time in my greenhouse every time I water.

433 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 9, 2014 5:29:28pm

re: #428 Killgore Trout

Partisanship has dumbed down our foreign policy debate, like many other serious issues facing our country. blinding hate of our fellow citizens has created an environment that makes serious discussions very difficult. You should read the article.

Serious discussions like how Obama is churlish, and also defensive.

434 KiTA  Jul 9, 2014 5:30:13pm

re: #432 Killgore Trout

If you get desperate try a bit of hydrogen peroxide when you water. Kills off fungus, root rot and bugs while providing oxygen to the roots. I use it all the time in my greenhouse every time I water.

Problem is, they’re carnivorous plants. I don’t know if they can survive hydrogen peroxide and I don’t have a spare plant to test it with. Probably should though.

Edit: Apparently… it’s a thing. HM!

435 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 9, 2014 5:31:25pm

re: #428 Killgore Trout

Thanks, but you can assault that deceased equus ferus caballus on your own.

436 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 5:33:42pm

re: #428 Killgore Trout

Partisanship has dumbed down our foreign policy debate, like many other serious issues facing our country. blinding hate of our fellow citizens has created an environment that makes serious discussions very difficult. You should read the article.

The president, in denial about his administration’s many failures, has retreated into churlish defensiveness.

437 Killgore Trout  Jul 9, 2014 5:36:10pm

re: #434 KiTA

Problem is, they’re carnivorous plants. I don’t know if they can survive hydrogen peroxide and I don’t have a spare plant to test it with. Probably should though.

Edit: Apparently… it’s a thing. HM!

I can’t vouch for that particular plant but it does work on all the other plants I’ve tried it on. Just a little bit (one tablespoon per 1/2 gallon) should be safe and might help a whole lot. It has saved many of my plants in the past.

438 dog philosopher  Jul 9, 2014 5:36:25pm

“We rate the claim Mostly False Mostly Blonde.”

doesn’t really matter what they “rate the claim” at the end, the article shows quite clearly, using an empirical technique, that fox news anchors are, as a matter of fact, Mostly Blonde

439 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2014 5:39:58pm

re: #390 Killgore Trout

This is Tom Nichols at his worst — bemoaning the rise of partisanship while simultaneously engaging in blatant hyper-partisanship of his own, seemingly without a hint of awareness that he’s doing it.

440 Kragar  Jul 9, 2014 5:41:51pm

re: #439 Charles Johnson

This is Tom Nichols at his worst — bemoaning the rise of partisanship while simultaneously engaging in blatant hyper-partisanship of his own, seemingly without a hint of awareness that he’s doing it.

I stopped following him days ago

441 Bubblehead II  Jul 9, 2014 5:42:16pm

re: #427 KiTA

Thank god the work week is over. Staying up late because tomorrow the new girl at work and I are going to Boise to see the Zoo and Aquarium, after she gets off work. Saw a movie with her yesterday, too, but still not sure where it’s all headed (the curse of the shy geek). Either way, been a pretty good week all things considered.

My God! You DO have a life. Was beginning to wonder about you. :-) Hope you and D have a great time.

442 Tigger2  Jul 9, 2014 5:43:30pm

re: #271 Stanley Sea

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Why are you all such big asshole Bigots. is what I would ask.

443 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 9, 2014 5:44:37pm

re: #439 Charles Johnson

This is Tom Nichols at his worst — bemoaning the rise of partisanship while simultaneously engaging in blatant hyper-partisanship of his own, seemingly without a hint of awareness that he’s doing it.

It takes a really large lack of sense awareness to call for serious dialogue while accusing Obama of being ‘churlish’ and defensive.

444 Tigger2  Jul 9, 2014 5:47:03pm

re: #304 Lidane

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Obama should give Perry the hug of political death. lol

445 Killgore Trout  Jul 9, 2014 5:47:44pm

re: #439 Charles Johnson

This is Tom Nichols at his worst — bemoaning the rise of partisanship while simultaneously engaging in blatant hyper-partisanship of his own, seemingly without a hint of awareness that he’s doing it.

I don;t think so and the reaction I’m seeing proves his point. The only thing the partisans are capable of focusing on in the entire four page article is the criticism of Obama. Not the criticism of Bush or Clinton. He has his leanings, everybody does. The hyper partisan sensitivity only reinforces his thesis.

446 Killgore Trout  Jul 9, 2014 5:51:43pm

The national “debate” about the recent problems in Iraq was miserably vapid. Almost no discussion of what the best course of action might be, no discussion of ideas or proposals. It was nothing but partisan finger pointing, no solutions in sight.

447 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 9, 2014 5:55:11pm

re: #445 Killgore Trout

I don;t think so and the reaction I’m seeing proves his point. The only thing the partisans are capable of focusing on in the entire four page article is the criticism of Obama. Not the criticism of Bush or Clinton. He has his leanings, everybody does. The hyper partisan sensitivity only reinforces his thesis.

It’s not the criticism of Obama. It’s about his tone of “Let’s talk seriously and be non-partisan” while he keeps taking potshots.

You’re falling into to incredibly lazy MBF stuff again.

Is there some good, reasonable stuff in that article? Sure! It’s also packed around with partisan twaddle, sanctimony, and an incredible pro-interventionist bias that he’s apparently blind to.

448 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 9, 2014 5:59:08pm

re: #446 Killgore Trout

The national “debate” about the recent problems in Iraq was miserably vapid. Almost no discussion of what the best course of action might be, no discussion of ideas or proposals. It was nothing but partisan finger pointing, no solutions in sight.

On the contrary, people talked about what would be gained, about how Iraq can ever achieve stability of the PM can just call up the US military to fight its battles. People discusses the origins of the conflict in sectarianism and Maliki’s oppression of Sunni—something you were unaware of. Sure, the reaction of the average person who can’t find Iraq on the map is silly, and the media made idiots of themselves by having a steady stream of Iraq War failures and almost zero people who were against the Iraq War, but away from the media, people didn’t forget that the same people they heard talking had been grossly, stupidly wrong before.

Asking for ‘solutions’ to Iraq is ridiculous and close to self-parody. It’s a goddamn country in the Middle East with sectarian violence, an incredibly shaky government (the same one you declared to be in good shape and in no danger), with conflicts on its borders and a jittery economy. There isn’t a ‘solution’. That’s the kind of thinking that’s the problem, that the US can just go out and solve problems in the world. The real world isn’t so convenient.

449 wrenchwench  Jul 9, 2014 6:01:49pm

re: #445 Killgore Trout

I don;t think so and the reaction I’m seeing proves his point. The only thing the partisans are capable of focusing on in the entire four page article is the criticism of Obama. Not the criticism of Bush or Clinton. He has his leanings, everybody does. The hyper partisan sensitivity only reinforces his thesis.

There’s an option to make it one page. Just above the comments on the right it says, ‘show full page’. Makes the article seem shorter.

Here’s my least favorite part:

Second, detach your emotions from the president.

And everything that follows.

450 Charles Johnson  Jul 9, 2014 6:02:19pm

re: #445 Killgore Trout

You really don’t have a clue. I’ve been engaging and debating and arguing with Tom Nichols for months on Twitter, and while I don’t consider him as crazed as someone like Ben Shapiro, and I still see eye to eye with him on some issues, there’s absolutely no doubt that he’s a hyper-partisan conservative. He’s made it especially obvious with his gross comments about the situation in Murrieta.

451 Blue Fielder  Jul 9, 2014 6:07:15pm

KT, you read a lot of David Fucking Brooks, don’t you?

452 Killgore Trout  Jul 9, 2014 6:16:04pm

re: #451 Blue Fielder

KT, you read a lot of David Fucking Brooks, don’t you?

Not much. I catch Tom Friedman for time to time.

453 Lidane  Jul 9, 2014 6:23:49pm

re: #450 Charles Johnson

You really don’t have a clue.

You’ve summed up all of KT’s posting history since the OWS days.

454 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 9, 2014 6:24:33pm

re: #452 Killgore Trout

Not much. I catch Tom Friedman for time to time.

Do you have any actual response to the criticisms of the article, or have you just declared that the article claims people are too angry, and therefore any criticism of the article just shows anger?

Any response to the fact that Nichols doesn’t follow his own advice, in the article where he gives that advice?

455 Blue Fielder  Jul 9, 2014 6:42:28pm

re: #452 Killgore Trout

usagi diggy do

456 Stanley Sea  Jul 9, 2014 6:48:55pm

re: #452 Killgore Trout

Not much. I catch Tom Friedman for time to time.

the headlines.


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