Did the Justice Department Really “Bad-Mouth” Glenn Greenwald to Muslim Leaders? Uh, Nope.

More Greenwald distortions exposed
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At the Washington Post, Erik Wemple fact checks one of the more inflammatory claims in the latest Glenn Greenwald article about alleged NSA/FBI spying on American Muslim leaders: that the Justice Department went around to Muslim groups before the story was even written, warning them Greenwald’s article was full of errors and misrepresentations. Would you be terribly surprised to find out Greenwald’s claims are … false? You wouldn’t?

This is the paragraph in question in The Intercept’s story:

The Justice Department did not respond to repeated requests for comment on this story, or for clarification about why the five men’s email addresses appear on the list. But in the weeks before the story was published, The Intercept learned that officials from the department were reaching out to Muslim-American leaders across the country to warn them that the piece would contain errors and misrepresentations, even though it had not yet been written.

Wemple contacted Greenwald to ask for more information on this claim, and Greenwald responded:

He said that the remarks of the officials were “designed to poison our relationship with people in the Muslim community by bad-mouthing us and saying this story is inaccurate before it’s even written. They literally did it before we put pen to paper,” says Greenwald.

Wow, the US government “bad-mouthed” the Mighty Greenwald?! How dare they? The noive!

However, when Wemple reached out to Muslim-American groups and the Justice Department, he discovered that the truth was exactly opposite to the way Greenwald portrayed it. Muslim leaders had heard rumors about Greenwald’s upcoming article, and they specifically asked the Justice Department to discuss the issue.

According to these community leaders and the Justice Department, there was indeed a July 1 gathering at the main Justice building, part of a regular series of quarterly meetings convened by Justice’s civil rights division that date back more than a decade. Though the get-together preceded publication of the Greenwald-Hussain story, Muslim American community leaders had heard about the goods that The Intercept had acquired. And so it was they, and not the Justice Department, who insisted on discussing the pending story. A letter from the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC), in fact, specifically asked that the surveillance issue be placed on the meeting’s agenda.

Wemple posts a screenshot of the ADC’s letter to the DOJ, asking that the surveillance issue be discussed at this regular meeting. So now we know that: 1) this meeting was not an unusual occurrence, but one of a series of regularly scheduled meetings that have been going on for many years, and 2) the Muslim groups themselves asked to discuss Greenwald’s pending article at the meeting, not the other way around.

But what about the claim that Justice Department officials “bad-mouthed” Greenwald’s story and warned these Muslim groups it would contain “errors and misrepresentations?” Again, Greenwald is playing fast and loose with the truth:

According to various participants, the government officials who spoke to the Muslim-surveillance issue — primarily National Security Agency General Counsel Raj De and FBI General Counsel James Baker — walked the attendees through an explanation of the legal structure designed to protect Americans from surveillance. One of the officials reportedly counseled the group, “Just don’t make assumptions. Please think about what you read based on what the legal structure is.”

Abed A. Ayoub, the ADC’s director of legal and policy affairs, confirms that’s how things went down. At the same time, Ayoub vouched for the accuracy of the Greenwald-Hussain description of the proceedings. “What we were told was to look at the legal framework of the way the surveillance took place … the FISA courts and so forth,” says Ayoub, who insists that the “legal framework is part of the problem and we need to seriously address this.”

ADC National President Samer Khalaf says of the message from government officials: “It wasn’t that they were saying it was false. They were saying they can’t respond to a story that wasn’t out yet.” When asked about alleged warnings of errors and misrepresentations, Khalaf says that the government reps said that the article may not represent the “full scope of the program.”

Again, Greenwald’s account is shocking and inflammatory… and entirely dishonest and self-serving.

This is the case with almost every one of Greenwald’s articles; a batch of wildly incendiary accusations that fall apart and are shown to be false, distorted, or exaggerated in the following 48 hours after publication. This isn’t journalism — it’s propaganda.

You have to wonder why other journalists rarely do the job Wemple did in this case. Are they afraid of Greenwald’s slash-and-burn smear tactics against critics, or simply more interested in the clicks and pageviews they know his fear-mongering pieces will drive to their websites?

UPDATE at 7/12/14 12:28:55 pm by Charles Johnson

The Intercept’s editor John Cook responds to Erik Wemple’s debunking with: For the Record: Yes, the Government Really Did Trash-Talk Our FISA Story.

His evidence to back up this headline is… well, he doesn’t present any evidence. He posts several emails and text messages he sent to the Justice Department, making the same assertion Wemple debunked, but absolutely nothing to show that “the government really did trash-talk” their story. Read it for yourself. He simply doesn’t back up his claim at all.

it’s getting a bit ridiculous.

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233 comments
1 BadExampleMan  Jul 12, 2014 10:47:50am
Are they afraid of Greenwald’s slash-and-burn smear tactics against critics, or simply more interested in the clicks and pageviews they know his fear-mongering pieces will drive to their websites?

I’ll go with “yes”.

2 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 10:48:37am
3 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2014 11:00:57am
4 wrenchwench  Jul 12, 2014 11:03:57am
According to these community leaders and the Justice Department, there was indeed a July 1 gathering at the main Justice building, part of a regular series of quarterly meetings convened by Justice’s civil rights division that date back more than a decade

And here we see the way a government can inoculate against fear-spreading propagandists like Greenwald. Seems to have worked. No outrage was generated this time.

5 Mattand  Jul 12, 2014 11:11:06am
You have to wonder why other journalists rarely do the job Wemple did in this case. Are they afraid of Greenwald’s slash-and-burn smear tactics against critics, or simply more interested in the clicks and pageviews they know his fear-mongering pieces will drive to their websites?

I’m gonna go with “Clicks and pageviews.”

I know enough “civilians”, for want of a better word when it comes to political stuff, whose understanding of Snowden-gate begins and ends with “The NSA spies on everything we do.”

So, in that case, Mission Accomplished, Glenn.

6 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 11:11:12am

An interesting series of comments on Greenwald’s sick statements about genocidal incitement:

lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com

7 CuriousLurker  Jul 12, 2014 11:13:48am

The DoJ tried “to poison our relationship with people in the Muslim community”? Really? I didn’t know we had a relationship with GG.

8 Jayleia  Jul 12, 2014 11:15:07am

re: #7 CuriousLurker

You have a relationship with him the way a stalker has a relationship with the target of his obsessions.

9 Mattand  Jul 12, 2014 11:16:53am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

An interesting series of comments on Greenwald’s sick statements about genocidal incitement:

lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com

LOL at “little green nutballs”. You should colorize a photo of Truck Nutz green and post it as your logo on April Fool’s Day.

10 wrenchwench  Jul 12, 2014 11:17:28am

re: #8 Jayleia

You have a relationship with him the way a stalker has a relationship with the target of his obsessions.

Creepy. Although I don’t see Greenwald ‘stalking’ Muslims. I see him using them to further his agenda. The way he uses anyone, including Snowden.

11 Gus  Jul 12, 2014 11:18:47am

re: #7 CuriousLurker

The DoJ tried “to poison our relationship with people in the Muslim community”? Really? I didn’t know we had a relationship with GG.

Sure he does. He just started following on Twitter some of the Muslim leaders he mentioned in his “blockbuster” just the other day. //

12 Ryan King  Jul 12, 2014 11:18:57am

Greenwald is pork rind journalism: salty, fat, strangely satisfying unless you have too much, with little real nutritional value.

Chow down dudebros.

13 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 11:20:13am

14 [deleted]  Jul 12, 2014 11:20:15am
15 Justanotherhuman  Jul 12, 2014 11:22:58am

Greenwald is an opportunist. He’ll use anyone or anything to further his own aims—which mean money and recognition.

Period.

16 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 11:23:22am

re: #14 BadExampleMan

Polonium was added post mortem.

17 Justanotherhuman  Jul 12, 2014 11:23:58am

Tit for tat, etc.

Hamas announces on radio station that it plans to attack Tel Aviv with rockets at 9 pm local time - @sarahussein, @AymanM
End of alert

18 BadExampleMan  Jul 12, 2014 11:24:09am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Bibi’s ass won’t care, and neither do I.

19 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 12, 2014 11:26:02am

re: #5 Mattand

I’m gonna go with “Clicks and pageviews.”

I know enough “civilians”, for want of a better word when it comes to political stuff, whose understanding of Snowden-gate begins and ends with “The NSA spies on everything we do.”

So, in that case, Mission Accomplished, Glenn.

Exactly… and in the RW blogosphere the initial piece gets picked up, retweeded, facebooked, amplified and becomes gospel in record time. When the facts actually come out, they don’t spread, the well is poisoned, and all they can say is THE INJUSTICE DEPT WAS PERSECUTING GG

It’s just exactly like how Obama ordered the military to turn around the Special Forces guys that were ready to depart for Benghazi. Yea, I know, that didn’t happen either.

RBS

20 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 11:26:38am

re: #14 BadExampleMan

I understand the sentiment, but that comment is over the top for LGF. Please don’t do that here.

21 Varek Raith  Jul 12, 2014 11:27:51am

Good afternoon.
How should we persecute GG today???
I’m thinking; Rocks in his shoes.

22 BadExampleMan  Jul 12, 2014 11:28:53am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Your house, your rules. Sorry about that.

…Just to be clear, it was the mode of expression, not the idea, right?

23 Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2014 11:29:59am

OT but must read. Obama’s fist bump @ Franklins BBQ

24 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 12, 2014 11:31:45am

When a journalist is more about who thinks what about him rather than the import of the story at hand, well that’s just not a journalist anymore.

25 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2014 11:32:15am
26 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 11:32:16am
27 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 11:32:26am

BBC:Israeli strike on disability shelter in Gaza Beit Lahiya

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Looks like they were there between attacks. No mention of the terrorists living in the building.

28 Ryan King  Jul 12, 2014 11:32:54am

re: #22 BadExampleMan

Well… your nic is ‘BadExampleMan’ after all, right?

29 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 11:33:16am

re: #22 BadExampleMan

Right.

30 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2014 11:33:28am
31 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 12, 2014 11:36:03am

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That looks like my place back in the day, when I signed that big record deal with Columbia. I got my first 12 records free, and only had to buy 3 more over the next year.

RBS

32 Justanotherhuman  Jul 12, 2014 11:36:04am

An entire 24 hrs and no one has tweeted over at GG’s joint.

Is it a record? : )

33 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 12, 2014 11:37:56am

re: #32 Justanotherhuman

An entire 24 hrs and no one has tweeted over at GG’s joint.

Is it a record? : )

Maybe they are waiting until they have something that is fact based and correctly interpreted to tweet.

Yea, I crack myself up sometimes.

34 Justanotherhuman  Jul 12, 2014 11:38:20am

Several rockets intercepted above Tel Aviv amid ongoing sirens, attacks across Israel and Gaza - @glcarlstrom, @YolandeKnell
End of alert

35 Varek Raith  Jul 12, 2014 11:38:32am

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

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WOE IS ME

36 wrenchwench  Jul 12, 2014 11:39:46am

Statistics Saturday:

37 Justanotherhuman  Jul 12, 2014 11:40:24am

re: #33 RealityBasedSteve

Maybe they are waiting until they have something that is fact based and correctly interpreted to tweet.

Yea, I crack myself up sometimes.

OTOH, he’s blocked all those who disagree w/him and those who do are awaiting instructions from him.

And he’s AWOL for the time being.

38 BadExampleMan  Jul 12, 2014 11:41:53am

re: #34 Justanotherhuman

It’s my fault. I tweeted this earlier today:

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39 Varek Raith  Jul 12, 2014 11:42:51am

re: #38 BadExampleMan

Because Ivanova is God.

40 PhillyPretzel  Jul 12, 2014 11:43:42am

re: #39 Varek Raith

She is junior to Honor Harrington.

41 wrenchwench  Jul 12, 2014 11:44:41am
42 PhillyPretzel  Jul 12, 2014 11:45:55am

re: #41 wrenchwench

oy vey. :(

43 PhillyPretzel  Jul 12, 2014 11:51:24am

Do we have another entry for Philly Pretzel’s thread enders?

44 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 11:52:09am
45 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 12, 2014 11:52:21am

It’s not dead, it’s just pining for the fjords

RBS

46 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2014 11:52:57am
47 austin_blue  Jul 12, 2014 11:53:19am

re: #27 Killgore Trout

BBC:Israeli strike on disability shelter in Gaza Beit Lahiya

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Looks like they were there between attacks. No mention of the terrorists living in the building.

The what?

From the New York Times:

“The bombing of the center, the Mabaret Palestine Society here in northern Gaza, occurred just before dawn, when a missile crashed through the roof and exploded. Because it was the weekend, only five of the 19 severely handicapped residents were in residence, while the rest were with their families, said Jamila Elaiwa, who founded the center 20 years ago.

She spoke at Al Shifa hospital’s burn unit, while she was visiting the wounded, including Mai Hamada, 30, and Salwa Abu al-Qomssan, 53, the caretaker, both of them with severe burns, while two more patients were in intensive care. The dead were named as Ula Wisha, 31, and Suha Abusada, 39, whose family said had been born severely handicapped and unable to speak.”

Sometimes the Israelis Fuck The Dog. It’s the fog of war. It happens.

48 Justanotherhuman  Jul 12, 2014 11:53:50am
49 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 11:59:48am

re: #47 austin_blue

Sometimes the Israelis Fuck The Dog. It’s the fog of war. It happens.

Not really sure I’d chalk this up to an Israeli mistake quite yet. We’ll know more soon.

50 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 12:05:16pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Not really sure I’d chalk this up to an Israeli mistake quite yet. We’ll know more soon.

According to most reports I’ve seen the Israelis called ahead and did a “roof knock”. We’ve seen human shields being used over the past few days, everybody knows it’s happening. It’s entirely possible there was enough advance notice to get everybody evacuated.

51 austin_blue  Jul 12, 2014 12:08:14pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Not really sure I’d chalk this up to an Israeli mistake quite yet. We’ll know more soon.

In the same article, note that the Israeli military is concerned about this particular strike and how it will play:

“Ms. Elaiwa, 59, said that her center was well-known in the neighborhood and that it had been in the same building for almost a decade. She said she had no idea why it would be bombed. “No one lived there except us,” she said. “There was no one else in the building.”

At the site, neighbors picked through the rubble of modest medical equipment and scattered children’s books, from the small neighborhood children’s library Ms. Elaiwa ran. There was a seared copy of “Jane Eyre,” condensed, in English with Arabic translation, and an English-language copy of “Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves.”

Neighbors like Yasir Abu Shoodq, 32, stared up at the sky through the holes the missile cut through the roof and each floor before making a crater in the ground. Young children picked up the chunks of sharp steel from the crater and made off with them.

Mr. Abu Shoodq said, and Ms. Elaiwa confirmed, that there had first been a warning rocket, “a knock on the roof,” a few minutes before the missile hit. “But no one understood what it meant,” she said. “No one could imagine the center would be a target for anyone.” In any case, she said, the residents were too handicapped to have fled the building on their own in any case.

Azzedin Ali, 26, another neighbor, said angrily: “They are bankrupt of targets and of pity. What would the handicapped have been resisting? This is the enemy striking civilians in the places they think they are safe.”

As he spoke, perhaps a mile away, a rocket was launched from Gaza toward Israel, its contrail slightly wobbly in a hot, hazy sky.

In a rare Saturday briefing for reporters at Israeli military headquarters in Tel Aviv, a senior Israeli military official said, when asked, that the army was looking into what happened at the center for the disabled. “A group is investigating now what was the target, what was the intelligence,” he said, speaking on the condition of anonymity in line with military protocol.

The briefing was an apparent effort to rebuff growing international alarm at the rising death toll from the airstrikes in Gaza — 120 so far, according to Palestinian officials — and the calls for restraint.

The official spoke of the difficulties the air force faced in minimizing collateral damage in the densely populated environment of Gaza, describing the mission as “very challenging,” and showed video clips from the air that he said demonstrated the military’s care in targeting.”

52 CuriousLurker  Jul 12, 2014 12:09:44pm

Since we’re already going OT, I’d like to drop this off. I’ve also paged it as the associated website has a positive, moderate message.

Imams Online: UK Imams Against ISIS

Video

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2014 12:10:03pm

Seen on FB today. Makes me smile. Gandalf and Bilbo by Cool Johnny.

54 BadExampleMan  Jul 12, 2014 12:10:31pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Not really sure I’d chalk this up to an Israeli mistake quite yet. We’ll know more soon.

Except in the sense that the entire war is a mistake, one that was completely avoidable.

55 Justanotherhuman  Jul 12, 2014 12:12:33pm

Ohhhhhh-kay.

“Any claim that Justice Department public affairs officials responded to, participated in, or cooperated with The Intercept’s reporting of this story is a lie.” - John Cook

firstlook.org

Ahem, “For the Record: Yes, the Government Really Did Trash-Talk Our FISA Story”.

Right.

56 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 12:17:08pm

re: #55 Justanotherhuman

Ohhhhhh-kay.

“Any claim that Justice Department public affairs officials responded to, participated in, or cooperated with The Intercept’s reporting of this story is a lie.” - John Cook

firstlook.org

Ahem, “For the Record: Yes, the Government Really Did Trash-Talk Our FISA Story”.

Right.

He doesn’t present a single bit of evidence that the “Government Really Did Trash-Talk Our FISA Story.” Nothing.

His whole attempt to refute this is based on emails HE sent to the DOJ. Unreal. These people are such FUCKING LIARS.

57 Justanotherhuman  Jul 12, 2014 12:18:03pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

He doesn’t present a single bit of evidence that the “Government Really Did Trash-Talk Our FISA Story.” Nothing.

His whole attempt to refute this is based on emails HE sent to the DOJ. Unreal. These people are such FUCKING LIARS.

Exactly. Just wanted everyone to see for themselves. : )

58 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 12, 2014 12:18:49pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

He doesn’t present a single bit of evidence that the “Government Really Did Trash-Talk Our FISA Story.” Nothing.

His whole attempt to refute this is based on emails HE sent to the DOJ. Unreal. These people are such FUCKING LIARS.

I guess he’s back from vacation!

59 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 12, 2014 12:19:38pm

re: #52 CuriousLurker

Since we’re already going OT, I’d like to drop this off. I’ve also paged it as the associated website has a positive, moderate message.

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Added to my shared bookmarks folder. Thanks much

RBS

60 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 12:20:00pm

re: #51 austin_blue

Other neighbors tell a different story
Israel kills two handicapped Palestinian women in air strike on home for disabled

Suha Abu Sada probably knew or understood nothing about the suspected Palestinian militants who lived in the flats above her and whose names featured on Israel’s assassination list.
….
The pair - one a member of Hamas, the other of Islamic Jihad, according to a neighbour - were not at home at around 4.30am on Saturday when the strike found its target with deadly force.
….
Witnesses said a drone fired two warning shots at the building moments before the fatal strike but said most residents would have been unable to respond in time.

Another problem with the NYT version is the witness claiming that they didn’t understand the roof knock warnings. We understand the warnings, residents of Gaza certainly understand them.

61 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 12, 2014 12:20:57pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Your war porn is really tiring.

62 bratwurst  Jul 12, 2014 12:21:13pm
63 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 12:22:14pm

re: #51 austin_blue

Mr. Abu Shoodq said, and Ms. Elaiwa confirmed, that there had first been a warning rocket, “a knock on the roof,” a few minutes before the missile hit. “But no one understood what it meant,” she said.

I find that hard to believe.

64 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 12, 2014 12:22:45pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

I find that hard to believe.

And you are concerned. We get that.

65 Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2014 12:23:19pm

re: #62 bratwurst

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What’s that sound? Oh right, it’s the sound of dozens of pundits laughing their asses off.

66 Justanotherhuman  Jul 12, 2014 12:24:05pm

I don’t know why, but when I was reading that Cook piece, I got a vision of Jack Nicholson in “The Shining”…

Youtube Video

67 BadExampleMan  Jul 12, 2014 12:28:53pm

re: #62 bratwurst

There’s no way the FSM loves the USA enough to let Romney run again.

68 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 12, 2014 12:31:31pm

re: #67 BadExampleMan

There’s no way the FSM loves the USA enough to let Romney run again.

Maybe just loves us *that much*. :)

69 wrenchwench  Jul 12, 2014 12:32:22pm

re: #55 Justanotherhuman

Ohhhhhh-kay.

“Any claim that Justice Department public affairs officials responded to, participated in, or cooperated with The Intercept’s reporting of this story is a lie.” - John Cook

firstlook.org

Ahem, “For the Record: Yes, the Government Really Did Trash-Talk Our FISA Story”.

Right.

By his third email, Cook is doing a text-book example of begging the question.

70 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 12:33:06pm
71 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 12, 2014 12:36:00pm

I really think CL’s page should be front paged. Just saying.

72 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 12:40:54pm

Greenwald fans are so incredibly gullible.

73 jaunte  Jul 12, 2014 12:44:12pm
ADC National President Samer Khalaf says of the message from government officials: “It wasn’t that they were saying it was false. They were saying they can’t respond to a story that wasn’t out yet.” When asked about alleged warnings of errors and misrepresentations, Khalaf says that the government reps said that the article may not represent the “full scope of the program.”

If this is “bad-mouthing”, then every routine cautious statement from the government is “bad-mouthing.”

74 BadExampleMan  Jul 12, 2014 12:44:40pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Jesus Greenwald says it, I believe it, that settles it

75 wrenchwench  Jul 12, 2014 12:46:01pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Greenwald fans are so incredibly gullible.

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I like the flair here better:

“…Uh, Nope.”

76 Dr Lizardo  Jul 12, 2014 12:52:34pm

OT, but my ‘Video Pick of the Week’ is definitely The Grand Budapest Hotel.

I laughed all the way through it. Brilliant film; great directing, with outstanding performances by Ralph Fiennes, Gabriel Byrne, Willem Defoe and many others.

Four out of four stars.

Trailer here is definitely NSFW

Youtube Video

77 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 12:54:38pm
78 Mattand  Jul 12, 2014 12:54:48pm

re: #62 bratwurst

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Please proceed, Governor.

No, seriously, run. I’d not only love to see your pampered, privileged ass handed to you a second time; I’d enjoy the inevitable death struggle you’re going to have with the mouth breathing Tea Baggers who run the GOP now.

79 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 12:55:10pm
80 Lidane  Jul 12, 2014 12:55:29pm

GOHMERT!

81 jaunte  Jul 12, 2014 12:56:45pm

re: #80 Lidane

Gohmert asked Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) to “use whatever means” like troops, ships of war, or taxes to “stop the invasion.”

He’s insane.

82 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 12, 2014 12:57:04pm

Gad, Gohmert really is an idiot.

83 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 12:57:26pm

re: #76 Dr Lizardo

OT, but my ‘Video Pick of the Week’ is definitely The Grand Budapest Hotel.

I laughed all the way through it. Brilliant film; great directing, with outstanding performances by Ralph Fiennes, Gabriel Byrne, Willem Defoe and many others.

Four out of four stars.

Trailer here is definitely NSFW

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Video

I still haven’t seen that one. I’m way behind on movies the past couple years decade.

84 Mattand  Jul 12, 2014 12:57:41pm

re: #80 Lidane

GOHMERT!

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Waitaminute: wasn’t Glenn Beck saying that GOHMERT!!! was teaming up with him and Senator Lee (Lunatic, UT) to send relief to the immigrant kids at the border?

85 Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2014 12:57:49pm

re: #78 Mattand

Please proceed, Governor.

No, seriously, run. I’d not only love to see your pampered, privileged ass handed to you a second time; I’d enjoy the inevitable death struggle you’re going to have with the mouth breathing Tea Baggers who run the GOP now.

I really do want to see the guy run again. Can you just imagine him and Christie fighting over who’s the real messiah of the “bipartisan” crowd?

86 allegro  Jul 12, 2014 12:59:29pm

re: #81 jaunte

He’s insane.

Taxes? RINO!

87 jaunte  Jul 12, 2014 12:59:34pm

Hey, Gohmert can send the Battleship Texas to the Rio Grande. It’s just sitting there in the Houston Ship Channel.

88 Mattand  Jul 12, 2014 12:59:56pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

I really do want to see the guy run again. Can you just imagine him and Christie fighting over who’s the real messiah of the “bipartisan” crowd?

Much as I don’t like my governor, to see him inflict some Wingnut-on-Wignut violence on R-Money would be awesome.

That’s assuming the various bridge scandals don’t catch up to Christie by then. He’s got two -COUNT ‘EM, TWO!- dogging him now.

89 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 12, 2014 1:00:15pm

re: #87 jaunte

Hey, Gohmert can send the Battleship Texas to the Rio Grande. It’s just sitting there in the Houston Ship Channel.

Hah! I was going to make a battleship Texas joke!

90 Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2014 1:00:58pm

re: #89 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Hah! I was going to make a battleship Texas joke!

Same here.

91 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 12, 2014 1:01:21pm

Well, that was fun. I now have a Samsung Galaxy S4. Bit newer than my antique iPhone but it means I have to learn this thing and how to delete all the extraneous garbage included with it.

92 bratwurst  Jul 12, 2014 1:02:00pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

I really do want to see the guy run again. Can you just imagine him and Christie fighting over who’s the real messiah of the “bipartisan” crowd?

You might think our own paragon of bipartisanship would bust a nut at the prospect of two supposed moderates running…but alas, he has already threatened that he might not vote again at all.

93 Dr Lizardo  Jul 12, 2014 1:02:09pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

The Grand Budapest Hotel is a very, very good film. Eccentric as hell, but very well-done with some great writing and directing by Wes Anderson.

Even has a cameo from Bill Murray.

94 Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2014 1:02:54pm

re: #91 William Barnett-Lewis

Well, that was fun. I now have a Samsung Galaxy S4. Bit newer than my antique iPhone but it means I have to learn this thing and how to delete all the extraneous garbage included with it.

Got one of those when we switched to AT&T. Most everything I already had as an app on my iPod Touch is available, with a few exceptions.

95 Lidane  Jul 12, 2014 1:03:14pm

ROFL this is amazing:

North Korea is so good they don’t even have to enter the World Cup to win it. Hahaha.

96 Mattand  Jul 12, 2014 1:03:56pm

re: #92 bratwurst

You might think our own paragon of bipartisanship would bust a nut at the prospect of two supposed moderates running…but alas, he has already threatened that he might not vote again at all.

Nah. That would fall under the category of “Actually Making a Choice and Standing for Something”.

97 jaunte  Jul 12, 2014 1:04:13pm

re: #95 Lidane

He’s going to punish the team when they don’t win.

98 Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2014 1:04:37pm

re: #92 bratwurst

You might think our own paragon of bipartisanship would bust a nut at the prospect of two supposed moderates running…but alas, he has already threatened that he might not vote again at all.

He can join another of our ranks in cheering for Romney after swearing he wouldn’t vote for the man.

99 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 12, 2014 1:04:43pm

re: #96 Mattand

Nah. That would fall under the category of “Actually Making a Choice and Standing for Something”.

It might happen. It might not. We’ll see.

100 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 1:05:15pm

Palestinian news agency claiming Israeli warnings could be a trap

Family who fled after ‘warning call’ killed outside home

When their next-door neighbors received a “warning call” from Israel to evacuate a home in Jabaliya refugee camp, Yousef Qandil and his son Anas fled their property, fearing that they could be killed or injured by shrapnel.

Both men took refuge under a tree near the site, awaiting the imminent airstrike which they expected to hit the house, or neighboring properties.

Yousef had already sent his wife and younger children to their parents’ house to protect them from harm.

Moments later, both Yousef and Anas were killed in an airstrike that targeted a group of Gazans sheltering under a tree for protection.

Neither their neighbors’ home, nor theirs, was hit.

While also acknowledging the use of children as human shields

On July 8, eight members of the al-Kaware family were killed after forming a human shield to protect their home.

Witnesses said an Israeli drone fired a warning flare, prompting relatives and neighbors to gather at the house as a human shield and that, shortly afterwards, an F-16 warplane fired a missile that leveled the building.

Six children were killed in the attack.

101 Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2014 1:05:37pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

#NowPlaying MC 900 Ft. Jesus > Hell With the Lid Off > Truth Is Out of Style

Factoid: “Hell with the lid off” was Lincoln Steffens’ description of old Pittsburgh.

ci13blog.cmoa.org

102 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 1:07:03pm

re: #93 Dr Lizardo

The Grand Budapest Hotel is a very, very good film. Eccentric as hell, but very well-done with some great writing and directing by Wes Anderson.

Even has a cameo from Bill Murray.

I’m a big Wes Anderson fan. I also haven’t seen Moonrise Kingdom either.

103 Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2014 1:07:05pm

re: #88 Mattand

Much as I don’t like my governor, to see him inflict some Wingnut-on-Wignut violence on R-Money would be awesome.

That’s assuming the various bridge scandals don’t catch up to Christie by then. He’s got two -COUNT ‘EM, TWO!- dogging him now.

Even without the scandals, Christie is a long shot. Should be fun watching as he tries to think up an excuse for why his tax cuts didn’t lead to the sort of explosive growth that was promised.

104 AntonSirius  Jul 12, 2014 1:07:35pm

re: #101 Decatur Deb

Factoid: “Hell with the lid off” was Lincoln Steffens’ description of old Pittsburgh.

ci13blog.cmoa.org

I prefer the description of Pittsburgh from Sullivan’s Travels:

John L. Sullivan: Aw, what do they know in Pittsburgh…
Hadrian: They know what they like.
John L. Sullivan: If they knew what they liked, they wouldn’t live in Pittsburgh!

105 Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2014 1:10:45pm

re: #104 AntonSirius

I prefer the description of Pittsburgh from Sullivan’s Travels:

After his visit, Charles Dickens was asked his opinion about Pittsburgh: “Raze it.”

The article cited says: “on her deathbed in 1924 Eleonora Duse (1858-1924, Italian actress) was said to have exclaimed, ‘Oh, my God, I am dying in Pittsburgh!’

106 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 1:11:43pm

Since I warmed up to Game of Thrones rather recently I’ve been going back and watching the whole thing from the beginning. Although I can see why I wouldn’t have been hooked by the first few seasons, I’m really enjoying it. I finally understand the plot, which is nice.

107 Mattand  Jul 12, 2014 1:17:33pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

Even without the scandals, Christie is a long shot. Should be fun watching as he tries to think up an excuse for why his tax cuts didn’t lead to the sort of explosive growth that was promised.

We’re in deep shit now with our budget. I can only imagine the chaos that would have ensued if Christie had gotten the idiotic 10% tax cut across.

As for running: He got a taste of how Republicans view bipartisanship when he actually did his job and worked with a Democratic POTUS to help NJ deal with Hurricane Sandy.

As I’ve said before, I think Christie is going to toss aside his paper-thin +5 Cloak of Bipartisanship and go Full Metal Wingnut: total anti-Muslim; ban the EPA; tax cuts for the wealthy.

That’s the only way he’s going to win over that pack of rabid howler monkeys.

108 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 12, 2014 1:17:33pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

Got one of those when we switched to AT&T. Most everything I already had as an app on my iPod Touch is available, with a few exceptions.

This is going to drive me nuts trying to copy stuff (music, wallpaper) to it or set Chrome as default with something other than the craptacular yahoo homepage. Grump.

109 Lidane  Jul 12, 2014 1:18:48pm

And Brazil’s World Cup collapse continues. 18 minutes into this match and they’re already down 2-0.

WTF.

110 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 1:24:26pm

One thing they certainly don’t lack: arrogance.

111 Lidane  Jul 12, 2014 1:26:00pm
112 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2014 1:28:00pm
113 Kragar  Jul 12, 2014 1:35:18pm
114 Justanotherhuman  Jul 12, 2014 1:35:44pm

re: #109 Lidane

And Brazil’s World Cup collapse continues. 18 minutes into this match and they’re already down 2-0.

WTF.

Haha, maybe that’s why GG is missing in action. ; )

This packing is kicking my ass and I’ve only just begun in the kitchen. Amazing what you accumulate over time (and other than the books, I’ve only taken 2 decent lamp shades to the thrift store along with a bag of clothes.

My grandson almost took my key to the new apt away so I wouldn’t take anything down there; he’s off tomorow and has a couple of his work mates coming by on Mon for the heavy stuff. I did take a couple of lawn chairs down for the patio.

I hate Charter, though. They say they can’t connect us until 7/18; we’ll go nutz by then with no internet access. Hahahaha.

115 Kragar  Jul 12, 2014 1:36:07pm

re: #106 Killgore Trout

Since I warmed up to Game of Thrones rather recently I’ve been going back and watching the whole thing from the beginning. Although I can see why I wouldn’t have been hooked by the first few seasons, I’m really enjoying it. I finally understand the plot, which is nice.

I read the first 3 books, said fuck this, and haven’t looked back.

116 AntonSirius  Jul 12, 2014 1:51:03pm

re: #115 Kragar

I read the first 3 books, said fuck this, and haven’t looked back.

I said fuck this to giant multi-volume fantasy epics at about book five of the Wheel of Time. First three books were awesome, the plot momentum started slowing down in book four, and by book five it had stopped entirely and Jordan started introducing new characters because the series had become an industry and needed to be milked for every dime it could generate.

Tried reading the first book of Game of Thrones after that and just could not be less interested in the shit going down in Westeros.

117 Lidane  Jul 12, 2014 1:54:43pm
118 wrenchwench  Jul 12, 2014 1:56:44pm
119 wrenchwench  Jul 12, 2014 1:57:47pm

re: #114 Justanotherhuman

I hate Charter, though. They say they can’t connect us until 7/18; we’ll go nutz by then with no internet access. Hahahaha.

Is there a way to keep using your old connection in the meantime? Is the new place directly below?

120 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 12, 2014 2:02:48pm

The main Russian state channel - the 1st - has finally reached the purely Nazi level of propaganda.

1tv.ru

They took a 3 y.o. child took, a little boy in shorts, in a T-shirt, they nailed him as Jesus to a bulletin board. One nailed, two others held. And it’s all before the mother’s eyes. The mom was held. And the mother looked on as the child was bleeding out. Cries. Squeals. And they also made incisions so that the child would suffer. It was impossible there. People were losing consciousness. And then, after the child suffered for an hour and a half and it died, they took the mother, strapped her to the tank while she was unconscious and made three rounds around the square.

121 Lidane  Jul 12, 2014 2:03:40pm

re: #116 AntonSirius

Tried reading the first book of Game of Thrones after that and just could not be less interested in the shit going down in Westeros.

I have never read any of the Game of Thrones books but I like the show a lot.

I remember asking some people if I needed to read the books to understand the show back when it first started and they said no. That’s a good thing. I don’t think I ever would have watched GoT if I’d had to slog through thousands of pages and multiple books first.

122 Dr Lizardo  Jul 12, 2014 2:05:23pm

re: #120 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

The main Russian state channel - the 1st - has finally reached the purely Nazi level of propaganda.

1tv.ru

Oh, shit….that’s some pretty wacked-out atrocity porn there. Hell, even Goebbels would probably think that’s a little over the top.

That’s Der Stürmer-level propaganda.

123 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 12, 2014 2:05:59pm

re: #122 Dr Lizardo

Oh, shit….that’s some pretty wacked-out atrocity porn there. Hell, even Goebbels would probably think that’s a little over the top.

That’s Der Stürmer-level propaganda there.

Blood libel, as it were.

124 Eventual Carrion  Jul 12, 2014 2:07:18pm

re: #81 jaunte

He’s insane.

I kinda like the idea of “taxes” to build the wall. If Texas is that concerned then they need to tax the good people of Texas to get it done. State tax for the protection of Texas. Ought to go over well.

125 KerFuFFler  Jul 12, 2014 2:07:25pm

re: #41 wrenchwench

Now I want to read the next page———thanks! :)

126 Dr Lizardo  Jul 12, 2014 2:08:56pm

re: #123 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Blood libel, as it were.

It’s just difficult for me to imagine that anyone would believe that sort of shit, but I guess they do.

Atrocities do happen; I’d never say they don’t. But in this case, they present no corroborating evidence whatsoever to back up the claim.

Like they say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

127 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 12, 2014 2:09:53pm

How many more people will take up arms after the hate propaganda like this? Streicher was hanged in Nuremberg, he had blood on his hands. There won’t be a trial for this scum, but when another Russian state “journalist” is killed in the Ukrainian war zone… well, let’s just say, I won’t care.

128 Lidane  Jul 12, 2014 2:10:18pm

re: #124 Eventual Carrion

I kinda like the idea of “taxes” to build the wall. If Texas is that concerned then they need to tax the good people of Texas to get it done. State tax for the protection of Texas. Ought to go over well.

I would laugh my ass off if a Republican in this state ever advocated real taxes to pay for a border wall. That would be political suicide.

129 AntonSirius  Jul 12, 2014 2:10:42pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

130 Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2014 2:14:50pm

Robben is hilarious.

131 Eventual Carrion  Jul 12, 2014 2:15:22pm

re: #87 jaunte

Hey, Gohmert can send the Battleship Texas to the Rio Grande. It’s just sitting there in the Houston Ship Channel.

Nice trip if you get to Houston. San Jacinto monument and all. Walk on the battleship. I was there last about 2003 for my oldest graduation and it was a nice day outing.

132 Snarknado!  Jul 12, 2014 2:24:45pm

re: #115 Kragar

I read the first 3 books, said fuck this, and haven’t looked back.

I didn’t even get through book 1. Or past show #1 — it’s soap opera set in a medieval world. (Like Rome, the series).

On the other hand, I read every Foreigner novel (Cherryh) when it comes out — even though lately each volume seems to cover a week or so.

133 KerFuFFler  Jul 12, 2014 2:25:22pm

re: #95 Lidane

ROFL this is amazing:

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North Korea is so good they don’t even have to enter the World Cup to win it. Hahaha.

Somehow this seems like a dangerous lie for Kim to make. All the people in on the deception have to realize how totally full of crap he is——-and how pathetic to lie about this!

I guess it is all a matter of keeping everyone involved too scared to talk.

134 Lidane  Jul 12, 2014 2:34:14pm

re: #133 KerFuFFler

I guess it is all a matter of keeping everyone involved to scared to talk.

Pretty much. If you know that saying anything against Dear Leader is an automatic death sentence you learn to just smile and nod when he makes up blatant lies like that.

135 Varek Raith  Jul 12, 2014 2:35:24pm

So…
Who replaced the entire Brazil soccer team with these guys????

136 Lidane  Jul 12, 2014 2:37:37pm

re: #135 Varek Raith

So…
Who replaced the entire Brazil soccer team with these guys????

Man, this week has been a nightmare for Brazil. Not only did their team collapse like a house of cards against Germany, but they’re losing this match AND their biggest rivals are playing in the Final tomorrow.

If Argentina pulls out a win tomorrow it will be a giant boulder of salt in the wounds the Brazilians have been suffering all week.

137 Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2014 2:38:41pm

re: #136 Lidane

Man, this week has been a nightmare for Brazil. Not only did their team collapse like a house of cards against Germany, but they’re losing this match AND their biggest rivals are playing in the Final tomorrow.

If Argentina pulls out a win tomorrow it will be a giant boulder of salt in the wounds the Brazilians have been suffering all week.

If Argentina wins tomorrow, nobody will be safe in the streets of Rio.

138 Lidane  Jul 12, 2014 2:49:14pm

re: #137 Targetpractice

If Argentina wins tomorrow, nobody will be safe in the streets of Rio.

The ESPN commentators suggested that this poor performance by Brazil could end up costing Brazil’s ruling party in next election, especially if Argentina wins. There’s already been a shit ton of anger in Brazil over all the money being spent on the World Cup at the expense of social programs there. Watching Argentina win tomorrow will be match on a powder keg.

139 Lidane  Jul 12, 2014 2:49:27pm

And it’s now 3-0. Wow.

140 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 2:49:42pm
141 ObserverArt  Jul 12, 2014 2:52:00pm

re: #133 KerFuFFler

Somehow this seems like a dangerous lie for Kim to make. All the people in on the deception have to realize how totally full of crap he is——-and how pathetic to lie about this!

I guess it is all a matter of keeping everyone involved too scared to talk.

This would be a perfect examples of “the emperors new clothes” fable. No one is going to tell him he’s delusional.

142 Lidane  Jul 12, 2014 2:52:53pm
143 Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2014 2:54:21pm

re: #142 Lidane

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But is he confident that he can win his own party’s nomination? HA!

144 Dr Lizardo  Jul 12, 2014 2:54:24pm

And Brazil crashes out.

145 ObserverArt  Jul 12, 2014 2:54:31pm

re: #142 Lidane

TPM - Marco Rubio is pretty confident he could beat Hillary Clinton in 2016: bit.ly

Speaking of delusional.

Marco Rubio’s chances at getting the GOP nomination are outside at best.

146 Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2014 2:55:04pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

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Wait, you mean the entire point of The Greenwald’s story was absolute bullshit? That can’t be right!

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147 Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2014 2:55:50pm

Only way Rubio wins the GOP’s nomination is if the rest of the field spontaneously combusts.

148 blueraven  Jul 12, 2014 2:56:54pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson


Big, if true.

149 Lidane  Jul 12, 2014 2:58:28pm
150 jaunte  Jul 12, 2014 2:58:55pm

re: #115 Kragar

I read the first 3 books, said fuck this, and haven’t looked back.

I don’t think George Martin ever explained why the world of Westeros got stuck at the feudal stage for 1000 years. Or why the Wildlings and White Walkers don’t come around the seaward end of the giant ice wall. The White Walkers don’t even need to breathe, they could walk under water.

151 Justanotherhuman  Jul 12, 2014 3:03:09pm

Another short break. Had to buy a couple of things at the dollar store and got home and my grandson was here (the newbie decided she’d do the route by herself) and he was already hauling stuff downstairs. So I went up to BK and got him a combo; I’m going to unpack some stuff downstairs to free up the boxes.

Do you know how hard it is to find empty boxes these days? Didn’t want to buy any—it’s only downstairs. Found a little discount grocery which puts theirs out front.

152 jaunte  Jul 12, 2014 3:05:19pm

Border patrol apprehends Invasion forces targeting Congressman Gohmert.

153 Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2014 3:06:51pm

Warhol superstar Ultra Violet died a few weeks ago. Famous for being around the famous. RIP.

blog.warhol.org

154 Dr Lizardo  Jul 12, 2014 3:10:51pm

re: #153 Decatur Deb

Warhol superstar Ultra Violet died a few weeks ago. Famous for being around the famous. RIP.

blog.warhol.org

Yes, RIP.

For some reason, when I read your post, my mind flashed back to the cinematic atrocity starring Milla Jovovich. I think at least 100 brain cells of mine died watching that waste of film, though fortunately, there seem to have been no other long-term ill effects.

en.wikipedia.org

155 Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2014 3:14:49pm

re: #153 Decatur Deb

Warhol superstar Ultra Violet died a few weeks ago. Famous for being around the famous. RIP.

blog.warhol.org

Here’s a great interview with her in her NYC townhouse from 2011 (Typo in the article date I’m positive)

She had to hang her Warhol sideways it was so huge.

newyorksocialdiary.com

156 Kragar  Jul 12, 2014 3:15:19pm

re: #154 Dr Lizardo

Yes, RIP.

For some reason, when I read your post, my mind flashed back to the cinematic atrocity starring Milla Jovovich. I think at least 100 brain cells of mine died watching that waste of film, though fortunately, there seem to have been no other long-term ill effects.

en.wikipedia.org

My buddies and I riffed that film unmercifully when we finally saw it.

“Barbera? Call purchasing. Find out who authorised the purchase of the EZ snap apart assault rifles and exploding glass body armor.”

“Hmm, do we sit back behind cover and take well aimed shots at the walking death machine or do we charge forward in a straight line firing wildly? Who are we kidding? CHARGE!”

157 wrenchwench  Jul 12, 2014 3:16:49pm

re: #152 jaunte

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Border patrol apprehends Invasion forces targeting Congressman Gohmert.

Every agent on the border speaks Spanish. Not every refugee does, but I bet that little guy does. I think he’s got a bit of a smile. They both do.

158 Lidane  Jul 12, 2014 3:17:41pm

Trying to watch this Halle Berry TV show where she’s been an astronaut on a solo mission for a year. Just a few minutes in and I’m already bored. I think imma go read instead.

159 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 12, 2014 3:18:05pm

re: #156 Kragar

My buddies and I riffed that film unmercifully when we finally saw it.

“Barbera? Call purchasing. Find out who authorised the purchase of the EZ snap part assault rifles and exploding glass body armor.”

“Hmm, do we sit back behind cover and take well aimed shots at the walking death machine or do we charge forward in a straight line firing wildly? Who are we kidding? CHARGE!”

I remember that movie. I think it was a really stormy weekend or something, or I’d have found something other to do. It’s was truly awful

160 Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2014 3:20:28pm

re: #156 Kragar

My buddies and I riffed that film unmercifully when we finally saw it.

“Barbera? Call purchasing. Find out who authorised the purchase of the EZ snap apart assault rifles and exploding glass body armor.”

“Hmm, do we sit back behind cover and take well aimed shots at the walking death machine or do we charge forward in a straight line firing wildly? Who are we kidding? CHARGE!”

You’ve basically just described every Milla Jovovich action film made in the last decade.

161 Dr Lizardo  Jul 12, 2014 3:22:28pm

re: #160 Targetpractice

You’ve basically just described every Milla Jovovich action film made in the last decade.

Milla Jovovich’s job in cinema seems to be looking really good while racking up a body count that would make a fictional supervillain green with envy.

162 Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2014 3:27:02pm

re: #161 Dr Lizardo

Milla Jovovich’s job in cinema seems to be looking really good while racking up a body count that would make a fictional supervillain green with envy.

Her job in most recent films has been to kill ludicrous numbers of brainless mooks who are generally portrayed as “elite special forces” despite demonstrating tactics that would make a CoD rookie laugh his ass off. But that’s not thrilling enough in action films anymore, so they also have to basically shred the laws of physics through handwavium.

163 b_sharp  Jul 12, 2014 3:27:03pm

re: #161 Dr Lizardo

Milla Jovovich’s job in cinema seems to be looking really good while racking up a body count that would make a fictional supervillain green with envy.

I have no problem with that.

164 austin_blue  Jul 12, 2014 3:31:38pm

re: #138 Lidane

The ESPN commentators suggested that this poor performance by Brazil could end up costing Brazil’s ruling party in next election, especially if Argentina wins. There’s already been a shit ton of anger in Brazil over all the money being spent on the World Cup at the expense of social programs there. Watching Argentina win tomorrow will be match on a powder keg.

Futbol politics! I love it. And if they’re angry now, wait until the 2016 Rio Olympics roll around. They’ll be spitting blood.

165 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2014 3:34:10pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

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Bob Cesca tweeted the FBI info on Wednesday:

166 Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2014 3:34:30pm

Was telling my sister the other day that the first Resident Evil film that Jovovich made so popular was the only really good one, primarily because it was actually a zombie film that happened to have action in it. As opposed to the following films, which decided that what the audience came for was an action film that happened to have zombies in it.

167 wrenchwench  Jul 12, 2014 3:37:41pm

wtfits

Includes a US flag when seen on his TL.

168 Dr Lizardo  Jul 12, 2014 3:39:06pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

Was telling my sister the other day that the first Resident Evil film that Jovovich made so popular was the only really good one, primarily because it was actually a zombie film that happened to have action in it. As opposed to the following films, which decided that what the audience came for was an action film that happened to have zombies in it.

The first Resident Evil was OK….like you said, a zombie film that had some good action sequences in it. The sequels….yeech.

I’ve been reading some reviews of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, and so far, it seems to be receiving almost universal critical acclaim, being regarded as not only well-written, but an intelligent film as well. It’s also being regarded as superior to its predecessor; one reviewer said it was one of the rare cases where the sequel was better than the previous film.

I might have to check that out.

169 Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2014 3:41:06pm

re: #167 wrenchwench

wtfits

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Includes a US flag when seen on his TL.

His timeline is ugly. And typical.

170 wrenchwench  Jul 12, 2014 3:43:03pm

re: #169 Stanley Sea

His timeline is ugly. And typical.

Townhall and Breitbart have employed him, so you know he’s good!

/

I just had to re-unfollow a guy who paid him a big compliment.

171 Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2014 3:43:22pm

re: #168 Dr Lizardo

The first Resident Evil was OK….like you said, a zombie film that had some good action sequences in it. The sequels….yeech.

I’ve been reading some reviews of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, and so far, it seems to be receiving almost universal critical acclaim, being regarded as not only well-written, but an intelligent film as well. It’s also being regarded as superior to its predecessor; one reviewer said it was one of the rare cases where the sequel was better than the previous film.

I might have to check that out.

Definitely going to see it. I held out on seeing Rise because I was sort of soured on remakes of the franchise after the shitty Tim Burton offering a few years back. But then I saw it on DVD and was blown away by how well done the story was. If this is being reviewed as better, then I definitely want to see it in theaters.

172 ObserverArt  Jul 12, 2014 3:46:41pm

I get the feeling Glenn has been placed in this condition the last few days.

Cut down to size

173 The War TARDIS  Jul 12, 2014 3:50:06pm

Jenna Coleman, who plays Clara Oswald on Doctor Who said this today at the London Comic-Con. You can decide what this means for yourselves, as I leave no comment.

Gallifreyan balls are my favorite because you can juggle them.

174 Dr Lizardo  Jul 12, 2014 3:50:07pm

re: #171 Targetpractice

Definitely going to see it. I held out on seeing Rise because I was sort of soured on remakes of the franchise after the shitty Tim Burton offering a few years back. But then I saw it on DVD and was blown away by how well done the story was. If this is being reviewed as better, then I definitely want to see it in theaters.

I didn’t see Rise of the Planet of the Apes in theaters because, like you pointed out, Tim Burton’s Planet of the Apes blunder turned me off; I saw it on DVD and I was quite impressed, so I’ll have to see this one when it opens here.

175 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2014 3:54:09pm
176 Romantic Heretic  Jul 12, 2014 3:54:18pm

re: #40 PhillyPretzel

She is junior to Honor Harrington.

So far as I know Harrington didn’t do anything this awesome.

Youtube Video

But I’m prejudiced.

177 PhillyPretzel  Jul 12, 2014 4:01:31pm

re: #176 Romantic Heretic

Check out “A Rising Thunder” when Honor meets Adm Filareta after his “accidental” firing of all of his missiles.

178 jamesfirecat  Jul 12, 2014 4:04:16pm

re: #177 PhillyPretzel

Check out “A Rising Thunder” when Honor meets Adm Filareta after his “accidental” firing of all of his missiles.

The hell?

I have read that book and listen to it on audio book format, Filareta dies right after that “accident” doesn’t he? How does he have a meeting with Honor?

179 jamesfirecat  Jul 12, 2014 4:07:55pm

re: #176 Romantic Heretic

So far as I know Harrington didn’t do anything this awesome.

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Video

But I’m prejudiced.

Honor after surviving an assassination attempt where her ship was shot down from under her, then shot in the shoulder (the bullet was just barely stopped by her body armor) and finding out that she’s going to need to dual a guy who has been practicing with swords his entire life and she’s only been doing so for about a year…

Honor: Your Grace, I have only one question. Do you wish this man crippled, or dead?

180 1Peter G1  Jul 12, 2014 4:08:17pm

It is an odd form of journalism is it not? One of the defining principles of your more conventional forms of journalism is that the journalist should not inject themselves into the story. Greenwald does the very opposite. There can be no story if he is not the central figure of it. He really ought to surrender the phrase “by line” and replace it with “for line”.

181 PhillyPretzel  Jul 12, 2014 4:08:43pm

re: #178 jamesfirecat

That is the “meeting.” It is a nano tech programmed person who releases the wave of missiles. And then Honor releases “Fire Plan Thremopylae.”

182 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 4:09:10pm

Another neighbor confirming militants may have been living in the building, briefly mentioned and buried in the middle of this article
Israeli air strike demolishes home for the disabled killing two women residents

The centre for the disabled had been in Gaza for 24 years, and survived the many episodes of strife in those years between the Israelis and the Palestinians. But the organisation moved to the present location three years ago and one neighbour stated that a member of the Islamic Jihad group and his family had also once lived in the building, although he was not sure about their current whereabouts.

This was firmly denied by those who ran Mobarat Felestin and, in the absence of an explanation from the Israelis, what has happened will raise fresh questions about the military operation by Benjamin Netanyahu’s government coming in the wake of the extraordinarily high numbers of children among the casualties.

183 PhillyPretzel  Jul 12, 2014 4:09:19pm

re: #179 jamesfirecat

From “Flag in Exile.”

184 jamesfirecat  Jul 12, 2014 4:10:19pm

re: #181 PhillyPretzel

That is the “meeting.” It is a nano tech programmed person who releases the wave of missiles. And then Honor releases “Fire Plan Thremopylae.”

Ah okay, if you had put “meets” in quotes I would not have been as confused.

185 PhillyPretzel  Jul 12, 2014 4:11:09pm

re: #184 jamesfirecat

Okay. No problem.

186 jamesfirecat  Jul 12, 2014 4:11:12pm

re: #183 PhillyPretzel

From “Flag in Exile.”

Correct, I didn’t feel like mentioning the exact book was necessary.

By the way have you read Cauldron of Ghosts yet?

187 PhillyPretzel  Jul 12, 2014 4:12:38pm

re: #186 jamesfirecat

There are so many plots in it that it makes the book difficult to read.

188 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 4:14:46pm

re: #167 wrenchwench

wtfits

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Includes a US flag when seen on his TL.

Schlichter is exactly the kind of raving right wing nutbag Israel does NOT need speaking up in support.

189 jamesfirecat  Jul 12, 2014 4:15:28pm

re: #187 PhillyPretzel

There are so many plots in it that it makes the book difficult to read.

Ehh honestly I did not have that problem, it seems if anything a bit more streamlined than Torch of Freedom which had to constantly run two full plot lines from start to finish.

In Ghosts once the Mesa Houdini view point character escapes it’s more or less just The Victor & Anton show.

Though I could be biased because I read it a few months back and the only part I have felt the need to go back reread is the last hundred pages or so when shit goes down as it is wont to do in these books.

190 Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2014 4:22:47pm

re: #188 Charles Johnson

Schlichter is exactly the kind of raving right wing nutbag Israel does NOT need speaking up in support.

Yeah, it doesn’t exactly help Israel when some of their more vocal supporters are the people who seem to think bombing the Palestinians out of existence is an option.

191 Lidane  Jul 12, 2014 4:27:57pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

Yeah, it doesn’t exactly help Israel when some of their more vocal supporters are the people who seem to think bombing the Palestinians out of existence is an option.

Especially when you consider that a lot of those RWNJ nutbags only support Israel so that their version of God can come back and destroy it.

192 wrenchwench  Jul 12, 2014 4:28:56pm
193 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 4:31:35pm

Wow, this is a pretty interesting find:

194 bratwurst  Jul 12, 2014 4:36:04pm

re: #188 Charles Johnson

Schlichter is exactly the kind of raving right wing nutbag Israel does NOT need speaking up in support.

Exactly. Israel has far too many enemies to have ASSHOLES as friends.

If you think your love of dead Muslims makes you pro-Israel, three words for you:

GO

FUCK

YOURSELF

195 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 4:41:54pm
196 Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2014 4:44:34pm

Someone is gonna be digging for days to justify the killing of disabled people.

…..with friends like that etc.

197 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 4:49:17pm

/facepalm

198 Lidane  Jul 12, 2014 4:50:31pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

Look at me! I’m clever!

/////////////

199 Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2014 4:50:34pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

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/facepalm

Philosophical dude.

200 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jul 12, 2014 4:50:41pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

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/facepalm

I’ll take “totally clueless idiots” for $1000, Alex.

201 wrenchwench  Jul 12, 2014 4:51:34pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

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/facepalm

He retweeted Schlichter three days ago, and it was disgusting.

202 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 4:52:03pm

re: #196 Stanley Sea

Someone is gonna be digging for days to justify the killing of disabled people.

…..with friends like that etc.

Using disabled people as human shields is just about as abhorrent as you can get. There are indications they were left in the building after repeated warnings. It’s reprehensible.

203 Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2014 4:54:16pm

re: #202 Killgore Trout

Using disabled people as human shields is just about as abhorrent as you can get. There are indications they were left in the building after repeated warnings. It’s reprehensible.

You are reprehensible. Human shields is the go to word to justify death in Gaza.

Keep digging.

204 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 4:54:56pm

This guy certainly has a unique view
Denver clergyman called out on “Jewish problem”

In a comment on Facebook, the Rev. Larry Grimm of Capitol Heights Presbyterian Church in Denver makes this offer to the 6 million Jewish citizens of Israel: “America is the Promised Land. We all know this. Come to the land of opportunity. Quit feeling guilt about what you are doing in Palestine, Jewish friends. Stop it. Come home to America!”

Earlier, in an e-mail to Presbyterians for Middle East Peace from Grimm’s Capitol Heights Presbyterian Church address, he wrote, “I favor the dismantling of the Jewish nation. By definition this nation is racist. It is as racist as our American roots were which sought to convert the indigenous population … . Before long, the land of the Holy One will not have any indigenous Christians. Yes, I favor the elimination of the Jewish State.”

205 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 12, 2014 4:57:06pm

re: #202 Killgore Trout

Please don’t feed the troll. Thank you.

206 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 4:58:05pm

re: #203 Stanley Sea

You are reprehensible. Human shields is the go to word to justify death in Gaza.

Keep digging.

Palestinian press outright admits to using children as human shields (see #100)

On July 8, eight members of the al-Kaware family were killed after forming a human shield to protect their home.

Witnesses said an Israeli drone fired a warning flare, prompting relatives and neighbors to gather at the house as a human shield and that, shortly afterwards, an F-16 warplane fired a missile that leveled the building.

Six children were killed in the attack.

A Hamas spokesman advocated human shields on Palestinian TV. It’s not a secret that this is what they are doing.

207 Varek Raith  Jul 12, 2014 4:59:41pm

Gaza is the most densely populated place on Earth.
Not all of them are human shields.

208 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 4:59:56pm

If adult civilians want to be human shields they are welcome to do it. Children and the disabled have no choice.

209 Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2014 5:00:16pm

re: #207 Varek Raith

Gaza is the most densely populated place on Earth.
Not all of them are human shields.

Sucks.

210 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 5:01:26pm

re: #207 Varek Raith

Gaza is the most densely populated place on Earth.
Not all of them are human shields.

No, it would be interesting to see a reliable breakdown of the death toll. But according to Palestinian press 6 children were needlessly killed in that attack because the adults used them as human shields.

211 wrenchwench  Jul 12, 2014 5:01:44pm

212 Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2014 5:05:49pm

re: #211 wrenchwench

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How’s biz? We need a daily rundown of the biker set.

213 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 5:08:23pm

re: #207 Varek Raith
Gaza is densely populated but it’s far down on the list.
List of city districts by population density

214 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 12, 2014 5:09:06pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

No, it would be interesting to see a reliable breakdown of the death toll. But according to Palestinian press 6 children were needlessly killed in that attack because the adults used them as human shields.

Are you still advocating that no warning be given by Israel before attacks, like the one on the home for the disabled?

You said that you favored this policy because Palestinians want to increase the death toll. Of Palestinians.

You’ve dodged this question over and over: for comedy value, you dodged this question over and over after declaring how happy you were to clear up any confusion your statements might ever cause.

Which was, of course, just another lie of yours.

215 goddamnedfrank  Jul 12, 2014 5:09:32pm

re: #207 Varek Raith

Gaza is the most densely populated place on Earth.

It’s densely populated, but it doesn’t wear the crown.

Most densely populated countries.

Most densely populated city districts.

216 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 5:09:54pm

Nairobi beats Mumbai. I wouldn’t have guessed that.

217 dog philosopher  Jul 12, 2014 5:11:00pm

israel/palestine

very sad that both sides continue to think something will be accomplished by killing people

218 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 12, 2014 5:12:30pm

Glad I’m not President

N. Korea fires two ballistic missiles: Japan
2014/07/13 08:51

TOKYO, July 13 (Yonhap) — North Korea is believed to have fired two ballistic missiles into the East Sea on Sunday, Japan’s Defense Ministry said.

The missiles were launched from around the North’s southern border city of Kaesong at 1:20 a.m., flew about 500 kilometers and landed in the East Sea, according to Japan’s Kyodo News agency.
Reprocessing plant to give Japan enough plutonium for 2,000 bombs a year: US expert
2014/07/12 02:59
WASHINGTON, July 11 (Yonhap) — Japan would be able to produce enough plutonium to make about 2,000 atomic bombs a year if a nuclear fuel reprocessing plant in the country’s northeast goes into operation, a U.S. nuclear nonproliferation expert has warned.

219 wrenchwench  Jul 12, 2014 5:13:32pm

re: #212 Stanley Sea

How’s biz? We need a daily rundown of the biker set.

Biz is OK. Tends to slow in June because people think it’s too hot, then the rains start in July and it picks back up again.

But people could just quit coming in at any time. Fifteen years so far, but you never know….

220 Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2014 5:20:56pm

re: #219 wrenchwench

Biz is OK. Tends to slow in June because people think it’s too hot, then the rains start in July and it picks back up again.

But people could just quit coming in at any time. Fifteen years so far, but you never know….

They won’t. Just keep mixing up your coffee buys.

221 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jul 12, 2014 5:27:03pm

re: #206 Killgore Trout

“eight members of the al-Kaware family were killed after forming a human shield to protect their home”

That sounds like a family hoping for decency from an enemy, not like a government political decision. It was their own home. WWJD? In the same position, my family might try the same thing.

222 jamesfirecat  Jul 12, 2014 5:34:51pm

re: #218 Rightwingconspirator

Glad I’m not President

N. Korea fires two ballistic missiles: Japan
2014/07/13 08:51

TOKYO, July 13 (Yonhap) — North Korea is believed to have fired two ballistic missiles into the East Sea on Sunday, Japan’s Defense Ministry said.

The missiles were launched from around the North’s southern border city of Kaesong at 1:20 a.m., flew about 500 kilometers and landed in the East Sea, according to Japan’s Kyodo News agency.
Reprocessing plant to give Japan enough plutonium for 2,000 bombs a year: US expert
2014/07/12 02:59
WASHINGTON, July 11 (Yonhap) — Japan would be able to produce enough plutonium to make about 2,000 atomic bombs a year if a nuclear fuel reprocessing plant in the country’s northeast goes into operation, a U.S. nuclear nonproliferation expert has warned.

Wish my brother well he is in Japan right now, though he’s more worried about fully picking up the language than Korean missiles,

223 CuriousLurker  Jul 12, 2014 5:35:28pm

Time between first (#16) & last comment (#216): 5 hours 46 minutes
Total comments this thread: 20
OT comments: 20 (100%)
War porn comments: 17 (85%)
Avg. War Porn Comments Per Hour: 3.4 (every 18 minutes)

The indefatigability on this subject is creepy to the point of pathology.

224 1Peter G1  Jul 12, 2014 5:39:52pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

Currently journalism is the career choice of people who’s best subject in high school was typing.

225 Tor  Jul 12, 2014 5:52:06pm

re: #223 CuriousLurker

It’s gotten real old, real fast.

226 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 5:55:24pm

re: #221 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

“eight members of the al-Kaware family were killed after forming a human shield to protect their home”

That sounds like a family hoping for decency from an enemy, not like a government political decision. It was their own home. WWJD? In the same position, my family might try the same thing.

Hamas is the government in Gaza and they endorse the human shield strategy. It does put the Israelis in a tough position. There is video on youtube of an Israeli pilot calling off a strike because of civilians, so it happens. But pilots can’t always see inside buildings and mistakes happen. It cases of stored weapons that does make a civilian building a valid military target. Like I said it’s a tough decision. Do the Israelis have to choose between killing civilians to destroy rockets before they can potentially be launched to kill Israeli civilians? That’s why I’m on the fence about the Israeli warnings to civilians before strikes. If the Palestinians (government or civilians) are using the warnings to increase the civilian death toll it might be best not to give warning. In the case cited at #100, not giving warning could have saved 6 children’s lives. They didn’t choose to die, the adults made that choice for them.

227 Varek Raith  Jul 12, 2014 6:06:48pm

I stand corrected.

228 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jul 12, 2014 6:12:31pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

How can you try to make the argument that it was their parents, rather than the people with weapons who fired upon them, who killed them? The people increasing the civilian death toll are the people who are killing civilians. D’oh! Um … how many on each side now?

229 Mattand  Jul 12, 2014 6:21:10pm

re: #223 CuriousLurker

Time between first (#16) & last comment (#216): 5 hours 46 minutes
Total comments this thread: 20
OT comments: 20 (100%)
War porn comments: 17 (85%)
Avg. War Porn Comments Per Hour: 3.4 (every 18 minutes)

The indefatigability on this subject is creepy to the point of pathology.

I’m verging on dead-threading here, but the bolded is dead on. I’ve been popping in on-and-off all day. The “Lookit me! Dead people in Gaza and Israel! Hey, everyone! Lookit me!” posts are bordering on an illness.

230 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 6:32:01pm

re: #228 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

How can you try to make the argument that it was their parents, rather than the people with weapons who fired upon them, who killed them? The people increasing the civilian death toll are the people who are killing civilians. D’oh! Um … how many on each side now?

I wouldn’t say the Israelis are blameless, at the very least there’s some shared blame here. If the adults want to be human shields for terrorists, that’s fine but the kids are not given a choice. It’s shitty to use children like that.

231 Killgore Trout  Jul 12, 2014 6:42:49pm

here’s the way I see it: The Israelis went out of their way to increase the safety of those children by giving warning that the bombing was going to take place. The adult civilians decreased the safety of those children by intentionally putting them where they knew a bomb was going to fall.

232 Mattand  Jul 12, 2014 6:48:32pm

Thank you for proving my point. You really can’t help yourself, can you?

233 prairiefire  Jul 12, 2014 10:38:42pm

re: #132 Snarknado!

Have you tried Deborah Harkness?


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