Was Edward Snowden Covered by the IC Whistleblowers Act? Yes, He Was.

According to the DNI - in 2012 - he most certainly was.
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“As an employee of a private company rather than a direct employee of the U.S. government, I was not protected by U.S. whistleblower laws, and I would not have been protected from retaliation and legal sanction for revealing classified information about lawbreaking in accordance with the recommended process.

“President Obama also reformed a key executive whistleblower regulation with his 2012 Presidential Policy Directive 19, but it exempted intelligence community contractors such as myself. The result was that individuals like me were left with no proper channels.”

So said Edward Snowden in testimony to the European Parliament on March 7th this year.

But did he really not have any protection under the Intelligence Community Whistleblowing Act?

The DNI didn’t think so back in 2012. From their own whistleblowing website, as of 6th October 2012 - months before Snowden left the agency:

The Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended by the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act of 1998 provides employees and contractors of intelligence agencies with a mechanism for reporting alleged wrongdoing in IC agencies and associated programs to Congress.

It also says:

A Federal agency cannot retaliate against an employee or applicant because that individual exercises his or her rights under any of the Federal antidiscrimination or whistleblower protection laws listed above.

On another page, also from 2012, the DNI gives detailed instructions about how an “IC employee, assignee, detailee, or contractor” could file a whistleblowing complaint to the Inspector General, or contact Congress.

Other pages on the same site even say how he could have reported anonymously if he wanted to be sure he was safe from reprisals.

Snowden would surely have known this had he actually bothered to search “IC” and “whistleblowing” (it’s the first “.gov” hit on Google).

The fact that he knew he was protected - or didn’t bother to try and find out if he was - significantly undermines his argument that he couldn’t whistleblow.

It’s not that he couldn’t whistleblow. It’s that he chose not to.

UPDATE at 7/13/14 11:40:13 am by Charles Johnson

The same description of the ICWPA is now posted at the Department of Defense Office of the Inspector General: DoD IG - Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA).

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242 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 6:35:38pm

Welcome to LGF, and with a bombshell first LGF page to boot.

2 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 12, 2014 6:48:10pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

That’s a first, no?

3 DubsCorleone  Jul 12, 2014 6:54:07pm

This stopped being about whistleblowing a LONG time ago, if it ever was about that
Greenwald got money and fame and Snowden got to sit his dumbass (excuse my French) in a country that has abuses worse than ours
I don’t believe a word he or Greenwald says, ESPECIALLY not Greenwald-show me the e-mails that he told higher ups about abuses, or I’m gonna assume that he’s full of it-the same way he wants us to believe that the Gov is full of it

And as a side why don’t more journalist (or anyone for that matter) call Greenwald out on his blatantly misleading stories?

4 Amory Blaine  Jul 12, 2014 6:55:01pm

How Snowden could claim to the contrary all this time is remarkable.

5 andres  Jul 12, 2014 6:56:35pm

re: #4 Amory Blaine

How Snowden could claim to the contrary all this time is remarkable.

The remarkable part is that so many have fooled themselves believing Greenwald/Snowden.

6 Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2014 6:58:16pm

This whole expose appears to be built with a grain of truth and a ton of lies and ego.

7 Targetpractice  Jul 12, 2014 6:59:37pm

re: #5 andres

The remarkable part is that so many have fooled themselves believing Greenwald/Snowden.

If they fooled themselves, it was willfully. Like I noted downstairs, no matter how much you question Snowden’s version of events, dudebros will brush it off by saying that one should be happy that the NSA’s “lies” have been made public. Of course, if you acknowledge that there needs to be a discussion on the matter, then you find that they’re not interested in discussion, they’re interested only in feeding their paranoia by calling for all intelligence gathering to be ended.

8 Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2014 7:00:19pm

Oh and thanks & welcome Pwn

9 Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2014 7:01:29pm

Shorter Snowden: “No, I was not a whistleblower.”

10 DubsCorleone  Jul 12, 2014 7:01:54pm

I came back to acknowledge that Bob Cesca and Green Footballs and a few others have called Grenwald out, but more people in TV and print need to do so also…

11 Justanotherhuman  Jul 12, 2014 7:03:44pm

What an amazing post! Snowden’s story is unraveling faster than I thought it would.

The little weasel knew exactly what he was doing when he flew to Hong Kong (getting out of the country to avoid prosecution), yet he doesn’t deserve the “genius” label so easily ascribed to him by the slavering Dudebros™ who have been pushing his crap.

I suspect he’s gotten a lot of help to do what he did, not the least of whom are Greenwald and Poitras (both of them protected by living outside the US) and publicity from their connections in the media.

It wouldn’t surprise me one iota if it’s determined at some point that he has been in the employ of a foreign country for a number of years now.

12 andres  Jul 12, 2014 7:04:08pm

re: #10 DubsCorleone

I came back to acknowledge that Bob Cesca and Green Footballs and a few others have called Grenwald out, but more people in TV and print need to do so also…

Most are afraid of Greenwald and his rabid fans. Bob Cesca, Charles Johnson (the good one), and a few others have felt their wrath.

13 Justanotherhuman  Jul 12, 2014 7:10:41pm

It does make you wonder why he couldn’t get asylum in one of the “socialist states” in South America or in Cuba, doesn’t it?

He is perhaps where he belongs from the time he landed at Sheremetyevo International Airport, which was all theater.

14 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 12, 2014 7:12:10pm

Congrats PwnAllTheThings.

15 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 7:12:49pm

Uh, wut now?

“In my name?” Not sure what this is supposed to mean.

16 DubsCorleone  Jul 12, 2014 7:20:55pm

re: #12 andres

That’s why I just say green footballs cause that other C. Johnson is a piece of work-I suspect more people want to call him out, but don’t want to look bad
To continue to perpetuate him misleading people is a damn shame…

What’s the harm in just ONE journalist asking where are the e-mails of him alerting higher-ups

17 Justanotherhuman  Jul 12, 2014 7:23:24pm

Greenwald’s joint is strangely silent. No tweets in 36+ hrs now.

18 PhillyPretzel  Jul 12, 2014 7:24:24pm

re: #17 Justanotherhuman

He is trying to create something and make it look like news.

19 Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2014 7:25:00pm

re: #17 Justanotherhuman

Greenwald’s joint is strangely silent. No tweets in 36+ hrs now.

Brasiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil lost.

20 Justanotherhuman  Jul 12, 2014 7:25:56pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea

Brasiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil lost.

I don’t think he’s that interested in the World Cup. There’s no money in it for him. : )

21 Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2014 7:30:37pm

Am I just doddering off into senility, or is the cybersphere a lot more incoherent than usual the last 48 hrs?

22 PhillyPretzel  Jul 12, 2014 7:31:16pm

re: #21 Decatur Deb

No. The world is insane.

23 Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2014 7:32:44pm

re: #22 PhillyPretzel

No. The world is insane.

Oh. Good. Thought the WD-40 and ether was getting to me.

24 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 12, 2014 7:33:47pm

re: #18 PhillyPretzel

He is trying to create something and make it look like news.

The Intercept is waiting for the Feline Overlord to finish with the box so that they can get their next scoop.
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25 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2014 7:37:16pm

re: #24 Feline Fearless Leader

The Intercept is waiting for the Feline Overlord to finish with the box so that they can get their next scoop.
////

might take a while…

26 Amory Blaine  Jul 12, 2014 7:38:14pm

re: #17 Justanotherhuman

He had to run out to Hobby Lobby to buy glitter for his next turd.

27 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 12, 2014 7:54:36pm

niterzzzzzzzzzzzzz….

28 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 12, 2014 8:05:56pm

Here is the pie from Friday night:

29 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 12, 2014 8:08:48pm

re: #28 Pie-onist Overlord

Here is the pie from Friday night:
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Patriotic looking and Delicious.

RBS

30 Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2014 8:14:40pm

re: #28 Pie-onist Overlord

Here is the pie from Friday night:
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And…..how tasty?

31 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 12, 2014 8:18:33pm

Canada wins!

32 Gus  Jul 12, 2014 8:25:43pm

33 Teukka  Jul 12, 2014 8:26:15pm

re: #32 Gus

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Okay, that is officially scary :/

34 bratwurst  Jul 12, 2014 8:26:39pm
35 Stanley Sea  Jul 12, 2014 8:30:42pm

re: #32 Gus

heeeey

36 majii  Jul 12, 2014 8:49:52pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

You’d be surprised by how much support you have, Charles. Some of us are silent, but we do tweet and Facebook your posts to help destroy the false image many have that Snowden and Greenwald are “heroes” for democracy, freedom, and transparency. We realize that what they really are are grandstanding opportunists who are out to make a buck, even if they have to lie to do it.

37 cuzIsaidso  Jul 12, 2014 8:53:55pm

The list of sites featured in the left side-bar could use some pruning. Tonight’s example: IndecisionForever hasn’t been updated since March 2013.

38 BadExampleMan  Jul 12, 2014 8:54:05pm

To be fair (and you don’t know how much it pains me to type that in relation to this subject) the US doesn’t exactly have a stellar record of dealing fairly with whistleblowers, especially in the national security arena. Sibel Edmonds or William Binney could’ve been an object lesson for our Snowden.

Doesn’t change that his claim that contractors aren’t covered by whistleblower protections is b.s.

39 teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2014 8:56:26pm

Pretty sure this is the first time I’ve trolled the #tcot hashtag. I’m hoping some rubes take it seriously and it ends up on Twitchy or something. :-D

40 Charles Johnson  Jul 12, 2014 9:46:22pm
41 BadExampleMan  Jul 12, 2014 9:53:07pm
42 Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2014 9:53:14pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

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Blonde aggression.

43 Gus  Jul 12, 2014 9:53:25pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

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44 Decatur Deb  Jul 12, 2014 10:01:23pm

‘Nite, all. Save some crazy for the morrow.

45 The War TARDIS  Jul 12, 2014 10:07:02pm

I saw this, and decided to take the test.

I got ENFP

I should note that I am very quickly becoming less political.

And I am still trying to figure out what Jenna was talking about.

46 Gus  Jul 12, 2014 10:07:10pm

re: #41 BadExampleMan

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I haven’t seen it trend myself.

47 teleskiguy  Jul 12, 2014 10:09:46pm

Meanwhile on the “legal cannabis” front:

48 prairiefire  Jul 12, 2014 10:39:08pm

Is Born blonde from Iceland?

49 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 12, 2014 11:06:44pm

There ya go folks, tonight’s “super” moon

50 Amory Blaine  Jul 12, 2014 11:11:09pm

Charter school teachers trying to unionize

51 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 12, 2014 11:30:48pm

re: #49 Rightwingconspirator

There ya go folks, tonight’s “super” moon

TEACHER MODE ON:
Your pic is great, but this “supermoon” stuff is wearing thin. It’s pointless to call it a “supermoon” when the effect happens on a regular basis. Phil Plait from 2012: blogs.discovermagazine.com

Phil says an astrologer, Richard Nolle, invented the term “supermoon” and now it’s become a meme. blogs.discovermagazine.com

Please, can we at LGF stick a fork in such nonsense?
TEACHER MODE OFF

52 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 12, 2014 11:42:54pm

re: #51 wheat-dogghazi

At least it’s a way to teach apogee and perigee. Fair point though. Astrologer? Ugh.

53 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 12, 2014 11:51:46pm

re: #52 Rightwingconspirator

At least it’s a way to teach apogee and perigee. Fair point though. Astrologer? Ugh.

This astrologer was trying to convince people the Moon being so close would cause earthquakes, or some such nonsense. I’m sure somebody fell for it.

54 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 13, 2014 12:16:36am

Cool. This $30 galaxy s4 can handle lgf!

Ah well, back to work for me!

55 Lidane  Jul 13, 2014 12:59:01am
56 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 13, 2014 1:01:23am

re: #55 Lidane

Silly Rabbit, bears are supposed to… waitaminute

57 The Dude Abides  Jul 13, 2014 1:55:27am

Probably my favorite Midnight Oil song:
One Country
Video

58 sattv4u2  Jul 13, 2014 2:39:51am

re: #55 Lidane

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LESSON

Never blow dry you’re dog on a low humidity day!!
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59 Kragar  Jul 13, 2014 3:36:28am
60 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 13, 2014 3:40:06am

re: #59 Kragar

Classy. And an open invitation for the Secret Service to visit her home.

61 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 13, 2014 3:58:06am

re: #59 Kragar

Apparently, she’s all bent out of shape because Obama went out for BBQ while the Gov. of Texas got in an off-road vehicle to visit the border seething with ravenous hordes of Central American children.

62 Justanotherhuman  Jul 13, 2014 4:01:41am

re: #60 wheat-dogghazi

Classy. And an open invitation for the Secret Service to visit her home.

And I hope they do. Tired of these hateful attention whores.

Later, we’re taking a break from moving and going to a cookout (and hopefully, getting a radio put back in my car). Grandson got a lot of stuff done yesterday after they sent him home from work. The trainee decided to do the route herself—called him later and said she got lost because her GPS messed up, but called back and was OK. Can’t believe how much he moved by himself, but the big pieces will go tomorrow when he has help. We had to sleep on couches last night, but it’s all good. : )

63 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jul 13, 2014 4:18:17am

re: #45 The War TARDIS

Also ENFP.

64 lawhawk  Jul 13, 2014 4:29:46am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Great first page PwnAllTheThings. I recall way back when Snowden/Greenwald first started claiming that they couldn’t whistleblow because the law didn’t allow them to do such things, there was some pushback, including here, at Cesca, and a few others.

But there has to be sustained pushback and the media has to focus on the fact that the law does and did allow Snowden as a contractor to blow the whistle on supposed violations to the IG.

He never did. He never contacted anyone with any issues that could be regarded as a whistleblowing.

All of those claims are a vain attempt to retcon the fact that he stole classified documents, many of which have nothing to do with supposed civil rights violations by the NSA against US citizens, with malicious intent.

The malicious intent was to harm US natsec, damage NSA capabilities to carry out surveillance against foreign countries, entities, and individuals.

65 Justanotherhuman  Jul 13, 2014 4:33:50am

re: #64 lawhawk

Exactly. And how many of us have called Snowden exactly what he is from the day this all broke, as well as Greenwald, Poitras and others who have enabled this charade?

66 Justanotherhuman  Jul 13, 2014 4:37:35am

If you “can’t” or aren’t actually permitted to “whistle blow” why call yourself a “whistle blower” or allow others to do so?

Besides, I always thought people like Snowden didn’t need permission?

67 lawhawk  Jul 13, 2014 4:48:39am

re: #66 Justanotherhuman

If you “can’t” or aren’t actually permitted to “whistle blow” why call yourself a “whistle blower” or allow others to do so?

Besides, I always thought people like Snowden didn’t need permission?

There are whistleblowing protection laws in place that are designed to protect the individual from retaliation. That’s what these laws represent and formalize a procedure for who to report to, how to report, and timelines.

The VA delay cases have instances where those who have formally blown the whistle have been retaliated against, and that’s in violation of the law, which means that they’d be entitled to damages/compensation.

There’s no evidence that Snowden ever filed a whistleblower complaint, let alone any email indicating that he was going to blow the whistle.

He has no email proof of contacting the IG on anything other than a generic question the answer to which was easily found on the IG website. It’s a charade that has to be exposed once and for all.

68 Justanotherhuman  Jul 13, 2014 4:55:33am

re: #67 lawhawk

There are whistleblowing protection laws in place that are designed to protect the individual from retaliation. That’s what these laws represent and formalize a procedure for who to report to, how to report, and timelines.

The VA delay cases have instances where those who have formally blown the whistle have been retaliated against, and that’s in violation of the law, which means that they’d be entitled to damages/compensation.

There’s no evidence that Snowden ever filed a whistleblower complaint, let alone any email indicating that he was going to blow the whistle.

He has no email proof of contacting the IG on anything other than a generic question the answer to which was easily found on the IG website. It’s a charade that has to be exposed once and for all.

Yes, I understand the “whistle blower” laws, etc, which were designed to show fraud, corruption, mismanagement, and so forth, and which don’t cover outright theft such as Snowden committed, at any rate.

Yes, it’s all been a charade from the beginning to beg sympathy for the players and as a cover-up for their actions.

69 Justanotherhuman  Jul 13, 2014 4:59:15am

Update: Hamas claims responsibility for the rocket fire that seriously wounded a 16-year-old in Ashkelon - @haaretzcom
End of alert

Meanwhile…

Israeli security cabinet is convening in Tel Aviv to discuss operation in Gaza - @BarakRavid

70 Justanotherhuman  Jul 13, 2014 5:02:43am

Russia has a lot of nerve…

Russia warns Kiev of ‘irreversible consequences’ after cross-border casualty - @AFP
End of alert

Russia calls cross-border shelling an ‘aggressive act’ by Ukraine against sovereign Russian territory and Russian citizens - @Reuters
End of alert

Ukraine denies shelling of Russian territory which left 1 dead, 2 injured - @RT_com
Read more on rt.com

71 Flounder  Jul 13, 2014 5:12:59am

These young men can jam! Hats off to the parents that have to schlep all their equipment around. My son plays the drums, so I can’t wait. Video of the band “Unlocking the Truth” can be seen here, and a Metallica cover here.

72 lawhawk  Jul 13, 2014 5:18:50am

These Brooklyn kids, who are in the 8th grade, just got signed to a deal with Sony. Keep on rocking!

Youtube Video

Unlocking the Truth

73 ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2014 5:59:23am

re: #71 Flounder

These young men can jam! Hats off to the parents that have to schlep all their equipment around. My son plays the drums, so I can’t wait. Video of the band “Unlocking the Truth” can be seen here, and a Metallica cover here.

re: #72 lawhawk

These Brooklyn kids, who are in the 8th grade, just got signed to a deal with Sony. Keep on rocking!

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Video

Unlocking the Truth

Love it. Take’n’ it to the streets!

And it’s great to see them doing something other than rap/hiphop.

And that is not intended as a dig on rap or hiphop, just nice to see them going off in another direction. Keep at it guys.

74 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 13, 2014 6:10:46am

My daughter in Jerusalem texted that they had more rockets during Shabbat and had to go to the miklat (shelter)

An American woman tourist died from a heart attack.

75 Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2014 6:20:12am
76 Jay in Oregon  Jul 13, 2014 6:25:38am

re: #71 Flounder

I’m reminded of this video from a completely different group of kids:

Youtube Video

77 Flounder  Jul 13, 2014 6:37:32am

re: #73 ObserverArt

Those kids have a stage presence that many adults would die for. I love the raw sound he gets out of his guitar, the whole package is very impressive. Also, playing on the streets?! Almost makes me wanna move to the city, almost.

78 Ryan King  Jul 13, 2014 6:39:16am

re: #75 Charles Johnson

You’re on the take!

79 Dr. Matt  Jul 13, 2014 6:40:57am

The legendary Brian May:

Brian May

80 Killgore Trout  Jul 13, 2014 6:53:29am

lol

German Police Megaphone Used in Anti-Israel Rant

German police allowed an anti-Israel protester to climb inside a police car and shout slogans including “child murderer Israel” and “Allahu akbar!” — Arabic for “God is Great!” — through a police megaphone, a spokeswoman for Frankfurt’s police said Sunday.

Police let the protester use the megaphone during a Free Gaza demonstration Saturday because he had offered to calm down a protest that had turned violent, spokeswoman Virginie Wegner told The Associated Press.

“We as police had come up spontaneously with this unusual method and he abused it — we didn’t expect that,” Wegner said, adding that police were investigating the incident. “Police are neutral during protests.”

Instead of calming things down, the protester — whose identity was not revealed — shouted anti-Israel slogans in German and Arabic in downtown Frankfurt. A video that went viral shows a crowd following the police car, cheering and repeating the chants.

81 Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2014 6:56:36am

And here’s your Sunday-Go-to-Meeting crazy:

Images: Moms With Guns Founder On Obama: ‘Where Is An Assassin When You Need One?’

alan.com

Image: KathyScouts.png

-from Liberaland via Memeorandum

82 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 13, 2014 7:00:14am

re: #79 Dr. Matt

The legendary Brian May:

Brian May

That’s the legendary Dr. Brian May for you! ;)

83 ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2014 7:00:16am

re: #77 Flounder

Those kids have a stage presence that many adults would die for. I love the raw sound he gets out of his guitar, the whole package is very impressive. Also, playing on the streets?! Almost makes me wanna move to the city, almost.

One of the beauties of city life is street art. Back in the late 70s we used to have a punk band here in Columbus that would many times just pick a spot outside a head shop, record store, book shop, etc, that was willing to cough up some free electricity and they would punk out until the police came to shuffle them off for being too distracting to traffic, etc. It was great. The Blades led by a guy calling himself Zero Watts. They did a mean screaming “When I was Young” by the animals.

84 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 13, 2014 7:01:38am

re: #80 Killgore Trout

I’ve seen those anti-Israel … ahem … gatherings in Europe. Not a pretty sight.

85 ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2014 7:03:16am

re: #81 Decatur Deb

And here’s your Sunday-Go-to-Meeting crazy:

Images: Moms With Guns Founder On Obama: ‘Where Is An Assassin When You Need One?’

alan.com

Image: KathyScouts.png

-from Liberaland via Memeorandum

DD…Kragar had that mentioned in #59 above. The reason I mention it, you might want to catch some of the members comments that followed.

86 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 13, 2014 7:05:52am

re: #81 Decatur Deb

And here’s your Sunday-Go-to-Meeting crazy:

Images: Moms With Guns Founder On Obama: ‘Where Is An Assassin When You Need One?’

alan.com

Image: KathyScouts.png

-from Liberaland via Memeorandum

Personally, I would think twice about buying GS cookies while adults are standing nearby with semiautomatic rifles. There are plenty of other Girl Scouts selling cookies without nearby firepower on display.

87 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 13, 2014 7:11:39am

Good morning Lizards. Overcast and muggy, headed to the 90sF by afternoon. Drinking a cup of tea while watching the construction cranes take each other apart.

And have been listening to Pink Floyd over the last few evenings along with the solo albums from Gilmour and Waters from the mid-80s. Not quite sure how to state my current opinion of this stuff beyond now firmly believing that The Final Cut was a disservice to the band’s name.

88 Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2014 7:15:14am
89 Killgore Trout  Jul 13, 2014 7:16:04am

re: #84 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I’ve seen those anti-Israel … ahem … gatherings in Europe. Not a pretty sight.

But I imagine they’re useful for security agencies to identify some of the more radical participants who might have other plans. I looked around for video of the incident in Frankfurt but didn’t find anything. But I did find this posted yesterday on the Al Aqsa youtube channel.
Youtube Video

Rocket launch from a cute little cart from a busy urban street. Looking at the other videos it looks like they’ve mostly given up launching from metal tripod launchers. Mostly just dirt ramps.

90 Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2014 7:16:15am

re: #85 ObserverArt

DD…Kragar had that mentioned in #59 above. The reason I mention it, you might want to catch some of the members comments that followed.

#59? That’s, like, a whole other day. These nutcases have become adept at dancing on the edge of protected speech. At the same time, they are forming the social environment that makes another Dealey Plaza possible.

91 Lidane  Jul 13, 2014 7:17:34am

Dear Tucker,

There is a world of difference between hunting wild game like gazelle and lions and where your food comes from. Your food comes from large, industrial factory farms with more than questionable sanitation and slaughter practices. Gazelle isn’t part of the American diet since they don’t live here.

Moron.

No love,
Me

92 Killgore Trout  Jul 13, 2014 7:18:50am

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Wow, that first rocket just barely clears the roof of that building.

93 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2014 7:22:19am
94 ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2014 7:23:48am

re: #91 Lidane

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Dear Tucker,

There is a world of difference between hunting wild game like gazelle and lions and where your food comes from. Your food comes from large, industrial factory farms with more than questionable sanitation and slaughter practices. Gazelle isn’t part of the American diet since they don’t live here.

Moron.

No love,
Me

I think Tucker is growing even more ignorant. But it would be hard to do since he had a great start.

95 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 13, 2014 7:24:01am

re: #89 Killgore Trout

I looked around for video of the incident in Frankfurt but didn’t find anything. But I did find this posted yesterday on the Al Aqsa youtube channel.

Some photos here: fr-online.de

96 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 13, 2014 7:27:44am

re: #91 Lidane

Dear Tucker,

There is a world of difference between hunting wild game like gazelle and lions and where your food comes from. Your food comes from large, industrial factory farms with more than questionable sanitation and slaughter practices. Gazelle isn’t part of the American diet since they don’t live here.

Moron.

No love,
Me

Gazelle are not part of the typical African diet anymore either. Aside from people living in the bush, most Africans buy their meat at the supermarket now, and the sources are farm animals, not wildlife.

97 andres  Jul 13, 2014 7:29:42am

re: #91 Lidane

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Dear Tucker,

There is a world of difference between hunting wild game like gazelle and lions and where your food comes from. Your food comes from large, industrial factory farms with more than questionable sanitation and slaughter practices. Gazelle isn’t part of the American diet since they don’t live here.

Moron.

No love,
Me

Such a b.s. argument from Tucker. Which is right on par what I’ve come to expect from him.

Also, when was the last time Tucker told his wife, “Honey, I’m coming late tonight. I’ll be hunting supper1.”

________
1. Unless that “hunting” happens in Burger King.

98 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2014 7:31:33am

re: #81 Decatur Deb

And here’s your Sunday-Go-to-Meeting crazy:

Images: Moms With Guns Founder On Obama: ‘Where Is An Assassin When You Need One?’

alan.com

Image: KathyScouts.png

-from Liberaland via Memeorandum

Just saw this on my twitter TL:

99 Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2014 7:35:43am

re: #86 wheat-dogghazi

Personally, I would think twice about buying GS cookies while adults are standing nearby with semiautomatic rifles. There are plenty of other Girl Scouts selling cookies without nearby firepower on display.

Why do you hate Samoas? Following the C.A.T.I. flag in her photos brings up this fine ‘community organization’ (google-cached).

webcache.googleusercontent.com

They’re having a Ladies Only event today.

100 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2014 7:37:30am
101 Justanotherhuman  Jul 13, 2014 7:39:11am

re: #96 wheat-dogghazi

Gazelle are not part of the typical African diet anymore either. Aside from people living in the bush, most Africans buy their meat at the supermarket now, and the sources are farm animals, not wildlife.

Not only that, this is a huge fucking lie:

“”It might make me want to buy L’Oreal makeup if I’m a hunter as a female,” she explained. “I mean, I grew up in the South. All the women are either hunters or their families are involved in hunting in some way. A picture of a girl hunting, that’s not alarming to me.”

I grew up in the south (for the most part), too. I don’t know one single female who hunts and never have. None of them. Nor have I known a family who had a hunter in it; maybe a gun, but no hunting.

As a matter of fact, I don’t know any men who hunt, either, although I’m sure there are probably some here (a semi-rural area) who would be more likely to do it. I know there are people in this complex who have guns (men), but they don’t hunt, as a rule.

And BTW, most southerners don’t consider Texas “southern”; most of us see “southern” states as east of the Mississippi River. We don’t, as a rule, claim LA or AR, either.

102 Killgore Trout  Jul 13, 2014 7:41:54am

Palestinian parody on ISIS

Liveleak Video
That’s pretty damn funny.

103 andres  Jul 13, 2014 7:43:18am

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just saw this on my twitter TL:

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This reminds me of a scene in Good Omens. The angel and the demon are having some sort of discussion1 and they each make some sort of list on the good freedom fighters and evil terrorists organizations. When they compare notes, I think it was 9 out of 10 were in both lists. In other words, it’s a matter of perspective.

________
1. It’s been a long time since I last read this book. I’m going by memory.

104 Killgore Trout  Jul 13, 2014 7:43:28am

Video not working. Let’s try this
Palestinian Parody about ISIS
Youtube Video
It’s a decent bit of comedy

105 Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2014 7:43:59am

re: #101 Justanotherhuman

Not only that, this is a huge fucking lie:
…snip
And BTW, most southerners don’t consider Texas “southern”; most of us see “southern” states as east of the Mississippi River. We don’t, as a rule, claim LA or AR, either.

And certainly not those carpetbaggers in Florida or Metro Atlanta, or Kentucky Yankees who stayed in the Union. And we’re not real sure about the Carolinas, Mississippi, and Tennessee, either. Virginia is a suburb of DC.

(My daughter blew Bambi away last year—twice.)

106 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 13, 2014 7:44:22am

re: #101 Justanotherhuman

Not only that, this is a huge fucking lie:

“”It might make me want to buy L’Oreal makeup if I’m a hunter as a female,” she explained. “I mean, I grew up in the South. All the women are either hunters or their families are involved in hunting in some way. A picture of a girl hunting, that’s not alarming to me.”

I grew up in the south (for the most part), too. I don’t know one single female who hunts and never have. None of them. Nor have I known a family who had a hunter in it; maybe a gun, but no hunting.

As a matter of fact, I don’t know any men who hunt, either, although I’m sure there are probably some here (a semi-rural area) who would be more likely to do it. I know there are people in this complex who have guns (men), but they don’t hunt, as a rule.

And BTW, most southerners don’t consider Texas “southern”; most of us see “southern” states as east of the Mississippi River. We don’t, as a rule, claim LA or AR, either.

KY is a border state, and the same is true there. I have one brother-in-law who has a rifle, a shotgun and a .22 pistol. When he lived in the sticks, he could shoot turkey off his front porch (in season), but he rarely did it, because it would spook his neighbor’s cows.

His idea of hunting now is with a metal detector looking for lost coins and jewelry along riverbanks and lakes.

And none of the women on that side of the family have hunted for the last 150 years, I’d wager, if not longer.

Yee haw!

107 Justanotherhuman  Jul 13, 2014 7:45:03am

How soon before this guy is drummed out of the Republican Party? Not that he’s all that and a bag of chips.

Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., says President Obama has not committed criminal acts that call for impeachment - @ThisWeekABC
End of alert

108 Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2014 7:47:27am

re: #107 Justanotherhuman

How soon before this guy is drummed out of the Republican Party? Not that he’s all that and a bag of chips.

Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., says President Obama has not committed criminal acts that call for impeachment - @ThisWeekABC
End of alert

Just look at the hippie name—“Good latte”. Might as well name his kid “Starbuck”

109 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 13, 2014 7:47:47am

re: #101 Justanotherhuman

I think this model doesn’t really know anything about southern life, and is just repeating the stereotypes everyone else has of southerners.

That stereotype does not include wearing L’Oreal makeup at all, much less while sitting in a deer stand.

110 darthstar  Jul 13, 2014 7:48:40am

re: #108 Decatur Deb

Just look at the hippie name—“Good latte”. Might as well name his kid “Starbuck”

Have you met my son, Venti?

111 Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2014 7:49:20am

re: #109 wheat-dogghazi

I think this model doesn’t really know anything about southern life, and is just repeating the stereotypes everyone else has of southerners.

That stereotype does not include wearing L’Oreal makeup at all, much less while sitting in a deer stand.

Thought L’Oreal made a woodland camo base—comes in a kit with doe piss cologne.

112 darthstar  Jul 13, 2014 7:49:44am

re: #107 Justanotherhuman

How soon before this guy is drummed out of the Republican Party? Not that he’s all that and a bag of chips.

Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., says President Obama has not committed criminal acts that call for impeachment - @ThisWeekABC
End of alert

I enjoyed reading the Holder piece…

113 Justanotherhuman  Jul 13, 2014 7:52:39am

re: #105 Decatur Deb

And certainly not those carpetbaggers in Florida or Metro Atlanta, or Kentucky Yankees who stayed in the Union. And we’re not real sure about the Carolinas, Mississippi, and Tennessee, either. Virginia is a suburb of DC.

(My daughter blew Bambi away last year—twice.)

Well, as someone born in SC, has relatives there, and who has lived most of her life in NC, those states would disagree. People here can be as parochial as those in AL, MS or GA. : )

I must say, though, while living in NC when I finally had to visit the Anniston, AL area in 1978 when my father died (2 trips that year), I did so with some trepidation. And it was justified. I never went back.

114 darthstar  Jul 13, 2014 7:54:33am

re: #111 Decatur Deb

Thought L’Oreal made a woodland camo base—comes in a kit with doe piss cologne.

In all honesty, if gazelle did live here, I probably would have hunted them in my youth. They look like they’d be good eating. Lions, never…or any of the cats. Same with elephants, hippos, and rhinos. But gazelles…fair game - just not for hunting porn models like miss ‘pose before everything in the ark’…

115 ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2014 7:54:41am

re: #105 Decatur Deb

And certainly not those carpetbaggers in Florida or Metro Atlanta, or Kentucky Yankees who stayed in the Union. And we’re not real sure about the Carolinas, Mississippi, and Tennessee, either. Virginia is a suburb of DC.

(My daughter blew Bambi away last year—twice.)

Damn…you are making it difficult for me to know where to build that fence!

116 Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2014 7:55:41am

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

Well, as someone born in SC, has relatives there, and who has lived most of her life in NC, those states would disagree. People here can be as parochial as those in AL, MS or GA. : )

I must say, though, while living in NC when I finally had to visit the Anniston, AL area in 1978 when my father died (2 trips that year), I did so with some trepidation. And it was justified. I never went back.

That daughter, Deerslayer, lives outside Anniston. She tried to publish a memorial piece on the Freedom Riders attack in the Star. Didn’t happen.

117 darthstar  Jul 13, 2014 7:57:23am

re: #115 ObserverArt

Damn…you are making it difficult for me to know where to build that fence!

The border fence? Well, we’ll need one around Kansas, Idaho’s probably a good candidate for fencing too as the Snake River Canyon makes a natural barrier on one side. Oklahoma, Texas can be fenced together…how much concertina wire do you have?

118 darthstar  Jul 13, 2014 7:59:12am
119 Killgore Trout  Jul 13, 2014 8:00:00am

Inspirational teen Malala travels to Nigeria to meet schoolgirls who escaped Boko Haram

INSPIRATIONAL teenager Malala Yousafzai - who survived a brutal assassination attempt at the hands of the Taliban - has risked her life by travelling to Nigeria in order to meet schoolgirls who escaped the clutches of terror group Boko Haram.

120 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 13, 2014 8:00:51am

re: #114 darthstar

In all honesty, if gazelle did live here, I probably would have hunted them in my youth. They look like they’d be good eating. Lions, never…or any of the cats. Same with elephants, hippos, and rhinos. But gazelles…fair game - just not for hunting porn models like miss ‘pose before everything in the ark’…

Did she field dress the kill? I’d be more willing to give her a pass if she showed she’s a real country girl.

I bet she’s a better shot than Caribou Barbie, though.

121 darthstar  Jul 13, 2014 8:01:01am
122 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 13, 2014 8:01:17am

re: #114 darthstar

In all honesty, if gazelle did live here, I probably would have hunted them in my youth. They look like they’d be good eating. Lions, never…or any of the cats. Same with elephants, hippos, and rhinos. But gazelles…fair game - just not for hunting porn models like miss ‘pose before everything in the ark’…

Pronghorn are essentially the New World equivalent. Not an antelope, but via convergent evolution they’re similar in a number of ways.

(And were also used in the development of a theory that there was a cheetah-equivalent predator in the Americas at one time. And they later found fossils of one.)

123 darthstar  Jul 13, 2014 8:02:11am

re: #120 wheat-dogghazi

Did she field dress the kill? I’d be more willing to give her a pass if she showed she’s a real country girl.

I bet she’s a better shot than Caribou Barbie, though.

Judging from how clean her clothes are, I’d say she’s never field dressed any of the animals she’s killed.

124 darthstar  Jul 13, 2014 8:03:55am
125 Killgore Trout  Jul 13, 2014 8:03:59am

Tel Aviv calling
Recording of IDF Conversation With Gaza Resident About an Upcoming Airstrike
Youtube Video

126 darthstar  Jul 13, 2014 8:04:43am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Tel Aviv calling
Recording of IDF Conversation With Gaza Resident About an Upcoming Airstrike
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Fuck the war porn.

127 ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2014 8:07:37am

re: #117 darthstar

The border fence? Well, we’ll need one around Kansas, Idaho’s probably a good candidate for fencing too as the Snake River Canyon makes a natural barrier on one side. Oklahoma, Texas can be fenced together…how much concertina wire do you have?

There are never enough fences. Maybe every state should have one. States rights!!!

By the way…I was just riffing off the comments between you and Justanotherhuman. I think most northerners see the south as everything below Illinois, Indian, Ohio, Pennsylvania. I was joking it seems if you ask some folks, they would want some states cut off from where they are now. Maybe to some, Texas would need a northern, eastern and western fences too.

128 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 13, 2014 8:08:54am

re: #124 darthstar

Memory problems …

129 Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2014 8:09:26am

re: #128 wheat-dogghazi

Memory problems …

I get that way too. A short nap helps.

130 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 13, 2014 8:10:36am

I’m not a hunter. i don’t mind sustenance/wildlife management hunts. I really don’t like big game hunting for sport, although the lady in question gave up her hunted animal for local villagers to eat as a normal part of their diet. Obviously this is unpopular but check out this critics tweet-He is running for office.

Dick for Congress indeed.

131 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 13, 2014 8:11:24am

re: #126 darthstar

Fuck the war porn.

Another Ottawa thing. The Canadian War Museum takes it presentations very seriously in trying to put across the human experience of war, the impact it has on people (and the development of Canada). And also honoring and remembering its veterans.

en.wikipedia.org

A picture that I think helps sum this up. This is of the *floor* in the small walk through section on The Somme in WW1 which is made up to look like you’re walking through a section of trench on duck boards.

132 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 13, 2014 8:12:02am

re: #129 Decatur Deb

I get that way too. A short nap helps.

Forgetting World War II, the Korean War and the Vietnam War is a pretty big memory loss. I think he needs at least a full night’s rest.

133 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 13, 2014 8:13:10am

re: #127 ObserverArt

There are never enough fences. Maybe every state should have one. States rights!!!

By the way…I was just riffing off the comments between you and Justanotherhuman. I think most northerners see the south as everything below Illinois, Indian, Ohio, Pennsylvania. I was joking it seems if you ask some folks, they would want some states cut off from where they are now. Maybe to some, Texas would need a northern, eastern and western fences too.

To take care of Florida you just need Bugs Bunny with a saw…

134 darthstar  Jul 13, 2014 8:14:12am

re: #130 Rightwingconspirator

He’s not a real candidate, not on the ballot.

slate.com

Former congressman/longtime punchine Todd Akin has returned to the news cycles, with a book in which he reminds everyone how he offended women and blew a sure-thing Senate race for the Republicans. In a complete coincidence, there is a flurry of outrage about a man named Mike Dickinson, a self-proclaimed “left wing liberal” (redundant, but whatever) running for Congress in the district formerly known as Eric Cantor’s. He’s been angrily tweeting demands for “sex tapes” of Kendall Jones, a young big-game hunter whose pictures went viral this week. The reaction usually takes the form of “can you imagine if a Republican did this,” because the media is famous for ignoring any story involving a legitimate candidate and crazy sex talk.

135 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 13, 2014 8:15:02am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Tel Aviv calling
Recording of IDF Conversation With Gaza Resident About an Upcoming Airstrike
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136 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 13, 2014 8:15:23am

re: #134 darthstar

Ah ha an “asspirational” claim.

137 Flounder  Jul 13, 2014 8:15:36am

re: #130 Rightwingconspirator

I don’t hunt anymore, I never particularly cared for poking their guts out, nor would anyone in my family eat venison. However, my biggest problem with this young lady is that you do not pose with your kill in this way. It is disrespectful of the animal. In New York, you have to complete a gun safety program in order to get you big game license, this is one of the many facets they cover. She may need a refresher.

138 Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2014 8:18:05am

wheat-dogghazi Jul 13, 2014 8:08:54am

re: #124 darthstar

Memory problems …

re: #129 Decatur Deb

I get that way too. A short nap helps.

Thought you were complaining about your RAM.

139 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 13, 2014 8:20:33am

re: #137 Flounder

I agree with you. But there is this longish list of things people do that I want nothing to do with and would be pleased if those activities just went away. Prize fighting for instance, MMA as a pro sport.

IMHO-
But what the critics don’t get to do is as what we saw above.

140 Killgore Trout  Jul 13, 2014 8:21:14am

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan

Unfortunately Hamas sees a higher civilian death toll as beneficial to their cause.

141 darthstar  Jul 13, 2014 8:21:19am

Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX), chairman of the House Homeland Security committee, said that while it was sad to see young undocumented immigrants at the southwest border, some of the teens looked like a “threat.”

“It’s very heart-wrenching as a father to see that — mothers with their babies,” McCaul said on “Fox News Sunday.” “I also saw some 17-year-olds that I thought looked more like a threat to coming into the United States.”

142 Mattand  Jul 13, 2014 8:21:53am

re: #126 darthstar

Fuck the war porn.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Most of the people who post here are fairly up-to-date on current events, both national and international. This constant “Look what I did! I care more about Middle East turmoil than you losers!” drumbeat is pretty unnecessary.

Also, this is the same guy who downdinged me when I pointed out how fucking stupid his idea of a used-underwear-for-poor-people market was. So there’s that.

143 Lidane  Jul 13, 2014 8:22:42am

re: #101 Justanotherhuman

And BTW, most southerners don’t consider Texas “southern”; most of us see “southern” states as east of the Mississippi River. We don’t, as a rule, claim LA or AR, either.

Texas isn’t Southern. It has more in common with the Southwest states considering that they were all part of Spain and/or Mexico at some point and their histories are intertwined that way. The only reason Texas is even marginally part of the South is because of slavery.

144 Mattand  Jul 13, 2014 8:22:47am

LOL, I see the other resident war/violence pornographer has dropped in. Think I’ll walk the dog and bike ride now.

145 darthstar  Jul 13, 2014 8:22:54am

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Unfortunately Hamas sees a higher civilian death toll as beneficial to their cause.

Then they do share some common ground with Netanyahu.

146 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 13, 2014 8:23:10am

#tcot spamming “I Stand With Israel” Twibbons next to their “BENGHAZI!!!!” Twibbons.

They still suck.

147 Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2014 8:23:19am

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Unfortunately Hamas sees a higher civilian death toll as beneficial to their cause.

We talkn’ Hamas here, or the GOP budget plank?

148 darthstar  Jul 13, 2014 8:24:43am

re: #147 Decatur Deb

We talkn’ Hamas here, or the GOP budget plank?

Let’s see how many of these kids on the border we can starve to death, then blame Obama for!

149 darthstar  Jul 13, 2014 8:25:31am
150 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2014 8:26:34am
151 Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2014 8:26:47am

re: #148 darthstar

Let’s see how many of these kids on the border we can starve to death, then blame Obama for!

My representative voted to cut SNAP the same session she voted to continue collecting her farm subsidy.

152 Lidane  Jul 13, 2014 8:27:33am
153 ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2014 8:28:28am

re: #151 Decatur Deb

My representative voted to cut SNAP the same session she voted to continue collecting her farm subsidy.

Just looking to provide for her family.

And think of the upside…the less they have the more for you!

/

154 Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2014 8:29:26am

re: #152 Lidane

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That’s not Tea Party any more. Governor Perry’s little gunboat river cruise just made it GOP mainstream.

155 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 13, 2014 8:30:18am

This number is bigger than I would have guessed-

The Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC) today released a report, Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States, revealing that 11.1 million Americans hold concealed carry permits up from an estimated 4.6 million in 2007.

About the people that did the study...

156 Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2014 8:30:44am

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Free upding for anyone who knows why the fender is red.

157 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 13, 2014 8:33:50am

re: #156 Decatur Deb

Free upding for anyone who knows why the fender is red.

My guess would be MP vehicle.

158 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 13, 2014 8:33:58am

re: #155 Rightwingconspirator

The founder and president is a Fox News columnist.

Oy.

159 darthstar  Jul 13, 2014 8:36:02am

re: #154 Decatur Deb

That’s not Tea Party any more. Governor Perry’s little gunboat river cruise just made it GOP mainstream.

I want someone (Gus?) to phtoshop women and children crossing the river in front of that gunboat picture.

160 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 13, 2014 8:36:44am

re: #155 Rightwingconspirator

This article by Lott is contemptible:

foxnews.com

161 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 13, 2014 8:39:14am

re: #158 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The founder and president is a Fox News columnist.

Oy.

John Lott himself LOL.

162 Gus  Jul 13, 2014 8:40:25am

re: #130 Rightwingconspirator

I’m not a hunter. i don’t mind sustenance/wildlife management hunts. I really don’t like big game hunting for sport, although the lady in question gave up her hunted animal for local villagers to eat as a normal part of their diet. Obviously this is unpopular but check out this critics tweet-He is running for office.

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Dick for Congress indeed.

There’s that asshole again. Dude barely had $1,000 collected for his alleged “campaign” for congress. He was, last I looked, dropped by Act Blue. He’s an asshole of major proportions.

163 Gus  Jul 13, 2014 8:42:24am

If you agree with that sort of thing you’re fucked in the head.

164 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 8:44:20am

It’s sunny in my part of the world. It was very loud last night.

Been re-watching the Godfather movies. I am always awed by the attention to detail in the set and costumes. Just beautiful. I guess it is meant to be a counter to the awful subject matter.

you?

165 Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2014 8:45:43am

re: #157 Feline Fearless Leader

My guess would be MP vehicle.

Close. They had red wings on their UXB (unexploded bomb) vehicles. We had red fenders on our EODs (explosive ordnance disposal) at one time or another.

dailykos.com

166 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 13, 2014 8:46:05am

re: #164 FemNaziBitch

It’s sunny in my part of the world. It was very loud last night.

Been re-watching the Godfather movies. I am always awed by the attention to detail in the set and costumes. Just beautiful. I guess it is meant to be a counter to the awful subject matter.

you?

2nd cup of tea and listening Dire Straits. Thinking of going and taking a walk before things get too warm. Need some additional exercise this weekend.

Toro toro taxi. See you tomorrow my son.
:)

167 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 8:47:07am

re: #160 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

This article by Lott is contemptible:

foxnews.com

Because Eliot Roger was a coward.

I’ve learned that the whacko sub-set of 2nd Amendment advocates have an answer for everything. They don’t seem to consider anarchy a bad thing —because they will have guns and will be able to defend themselves.

A few even have secure compounds in which to seclude themselves from the lawless world which they dream of as utopia.

168 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2014 8:49:04am

For those who may have missed it, here’s the launch map again:

169 Flounder  Jul 13, 2014 8:49:26am

re: #166 Feline Fearless Leader

Already did my four mile walk. The deer flies in upstate NY could almost carry you away. Weigh-in today, down 60 pounds. My goal is 250. I have people ask me “how do you do it?” I respond, “I don’t eat.”
It is actually easier for me not to eat, if I eat, I want to eat more.

170 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 8:51:02am

re: #137 Flounder

I don’t hunt anymore, I never particularly cared for poking their guts out, nor would anyone in my family eat venison. However, my biggest problem with this young lady is that you do not pose with your kill in this way. It is disrespectful of the animal. In New York, you have to complete a gun safety program in order to get you big game license, this is one of the many facets they cover. She may need a refresher.

I understand wanting to hug the cat. I don’t think I’d hug a dead cat tho.

shades of necrophilia?

171 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 13, 2014 8:52:28am
172 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 13, 2014 8:55:13am

re: #164 FemNaziBitch

LWC was telling me about how the studio wanted to fire the cinematographer what with all the really deep shadows. I guess some good insider info came out as a part of the Blu ray remastering.

173 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 8:55:17am

One of the contenders for governor prison.

174 ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2014 8:56:27am

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

I understand wanting to hug the cat. I don’t think I’d hug a dead cat tho.

shades of necrophilia?

I was thinking it was rather odd, but had not thought of necrophilia…but it fits. It does take away from the “ohhh, let’s hug the pretty-pretty kitty” when you just killed it. And that seems to be the look of her in the image.

175 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 8:56:47am

re: #172 Rightwingconspirator

LWC was telling me about how the studio wanted to fire the cinematographer what with all the really deep shadows. I guess some good insider info came out as a part of the Blu ray remastering.

Well, in the early part of the century, I think indoor locations were like that. Not everyone had electricity and not a lot of sunlight came in thru the windows in the tenements. Also, in the summer, people would keep the drapes closed to keep the house cool. So, that part makes sense to me.

176 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 8:57:19am

re: #174 ObserverArt

I was thinking it was rather odd, but had not thought of necrophilia…but it fits. It does take away from the “ohhh, let’s hug the pretty-pretty kitty” when you just killed it. And that seems to be the look of her in the image.

It just gives me the willies.

177 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 13, 2014 8:57:36am

re: #169 Flounder

Already did my four mile walk. The deer flies in upstate NY could almost carry you away. Weigh-in today, down 60 pounds. My goal is 250. I have people ask me “how do you do it?” I respond, “I don’t eat.”
It is actually easier for me not to eat, if I eat, I want to eat more.

The walks are a good appetite suppressant for me.

How much of your weight loss is blood removal by the deer flies?
:)

When I was up in Saranac Lake in late June and took a off-road bike ride with some friends I got chewed up a little by the black flies.

178 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2014 8:58:58am
179 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2014 9:01:52am
181 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 9:02:41am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

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BUT I READ MINE!!!!!!

really, really, I do!!!

Just not at the rate I buy them.

182 Flounder  Jul 13, 2014 9:04:26am

re: #177 Feline Fearless Leader

Black flies don’t bite, they suck ;)

Blood loss has been minimal, I am just to swift!!!

183 lawhawk  Jul 13, 2014 9:06:42am

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’re probably not going to see it because of cloud cover here. Too bad. Would have been nice to see ‘em.

184 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 9:08:39am

“Conforming to one standard isn’t what being American is about and I hope you can embrace that

Page

185 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 9:12:59am

These people seem nice.

Mentioned in this SPLC article:
Authorities Investigate Group Linked to Indiana Man Who Threatened Police, Judges

186 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 13, 2014 9:13:34am

A Libertarian does not like my meme.
YOU DON’T HAZ TO WORKS AT MY SWEATSHOP!!!! GO WORK AT SOME OTHER SWEATSHOP!!!!!

187 Timothy Watson  Jul 13, 2014 9:13:46am

re: #164 FemNaziBitch

It’s sunny in my part of the world. It was very loud last night.

Been re-watching the Godfather movies. I am always awed by the attention to detail in the set and costumes. Just beautiful. I guess it is meant to be a counter to the awful subject matter.

you?

That’s one thing I love about HD and Blu-Rays, it’s amazing the level of detail you can see on new and classic stuff.

188 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 13, 2014 9:15:41am

Every Libertarian dreams of being a slaveowner sweatshop owner where they have absolute control over their workers.

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2014 9:20:23am

Frantic dinging happening downstairs.
Must still be a full moon somewhere…

190 Flounder  Jul 13, 2014 9:23:22am

Times Square is well, Times Square! Duh!

Sightings:

On one afternoon last week, The Post counted:

1 Weed Man
3 Statues of Liberty
1 Naked Cowboy
7 Naked Cowgirls
2 Topless women in blue and white body paint
3 Hello Kitties
5 Minnie Mouses
4 Elmos
5 Iron Men
2 Super Marios
1 Puss-in-Boots
1 SpongeBob SquarePants
3 Minions
2 Mickey Mouses
1 Buzz Lightyear
3 Spider-Men
1 Woody
1 Jessie (“Toy Story”)
1 Hulk
2 Captain Americas
1 Bane
2 Batmen
3 Cinderellas
1 Cookie Monster
1 man covered from head to toe in gold paint
79 bus-tour salespeople
19 Broadway salespeople
16 Comedy-chow salespeople
2 Legoland salespeople

191 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 9:24:21am

re: #188 Pie-onist Overlord

Every Libertarian dreams of being a slaveowner sweatshop owner where they have absolute control over their workers.

it’s just like being king of their own little island.

192 Killgore Trout  Jul 13, 2014 9:30:14am

re: #126 darthstar

Fuck the war porn.

How about a peace protest instead?

Paris synagogue firebombed in anti-Semitic attack

Anti-Semitic violence rises with intensified conflict in Gaza, as protestors against Gaza operation chant ‘death to the Jews.’

193 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 13, 2014 9:31:23am
194 Killgore Trout  Jul 13, 2014 9:32:33am

heh

One sign read: “Stop doing what Hitler did to you.” Among the participants was Fatima Elatik, a local politician from Amsterdam and former member of the now defunct Jewish-Moroccan Network for dialogue, who posed for a picture with a demonstrator wearing a shirt that accused Israel of genocide.

195 b_sharp  Jul 13, 2014 9:37:38am

re: #137 Flounder

I don’t hunt anymore, I never particularly cared for poking their guts out, nor would anyone in my family eat venison. However, my biggest problem with this young lady is that you do not pose with your kill in this way. It is disrespectful of the animal. In New York, you have to complete a gun safety program in order to get you big game license, this is one of the many facets they cover. She may need a refresher.

Hunting for food & hunting for trophies or the joy of the kill are two distinct mindsets.

Hunting for food is a practical matter. Hunting for the thrill of the kill is a failing of empathy and shows a tendency toward sociopathic behaviour.

196 andres  Jul 13, 2014 9:37:40am

re: #31 Pie-onist Overlord

Canada wins!

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Awesome!

While looking for a bigger size of this image, I stumbled upon this version. And I found a bigger image of the tweeted one. It looks photoshop. But, dang, it looks awesome.

197 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 9:46:03am

Disease Threat From Immigrant Children Wildly Overstated

Before demonizing undocumented children, we should look at the facts: The vast majority of Central Americans are vaccinated against all these diseases. Governments concerned about health, and good parents investing in their kids, have made Central American kids better-vaccinated than Texan kids. We fear them not because they are actually sick, but because of powerful anti-immigration narratives that link foreigners to disease.

Consider, for example, Guatemala. According to the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF), Guatemalan kids are more likely than Texans to be immunized for most infectious diseases. Guatemala has universal health care. Vaccines are 100 percent funded by the government.

By comparison, one in six kids in Texas is uninsured, and even insured families often must pay for vaccination. That means that many Texas kids fall behind on vaccinations, or miss them altogether when their family can’t afford a doctor’s visit. Other families refuse vaccination.

198 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 9:49:11am

WHAT?

199 Killgore Trout  Jul 13, 2014 9:51:56am

Jewish-Australian leader slammed for accusing Hamas of ‘war crimes’

In an email to the Jewish community last week titled “Israel Under Fire,” Alhadeff wrote that Hamas was guilty of “war crimes” while Israel “is operating with care to avoid civilian casualties.”

Israel had made it clear it would “do whatever is needed to defend its citizens,” he wrote. “All options are on the table.”

Ordinarily, Alhadeff’s email would have been expected from a local Jewish leader. But because he has served as chair of the New South Wales Community Relations Commission since last December, his email provoked outrage from Arab leaders, and prompted Premier Mike Baird to brand his remarks as “inappropriate” for someone in a government-appointed position, according to Baird’s spokesman.

“Few people have done more to promote inter-faith engagement and understanding between the Jewish and Muslim communities in New South Wales than Mr. Alhadeff,” the spokesman also said according to the Sydney Morning Herald.

200 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 9:57:32am

There is a new Planet of the Apes???

201 Killgore Trout  Jul 13, 2014 9:59:11am

re: #200 FemNaziBitch

There is a new Planet of the Apes???

They should have given the series to Tarantino for the reboot. He might have done something interesting with it.

202 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 10:00:27am
203 Ryan King  Jul 13, 2014 10:00:49am

re: #158 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The founder and president is a Fox News columnist.

Oy.

My Amazeballs face, let me show it to you.

204 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 10:01:07am

re: #201 Killgore Trout

They should have given the series to Tarantino for the reboot. He might have done something interesting with it.

I hadn’t thought of that.

Now I feel sad I won’t get to see a Tarantino Planet of the Apes.

205 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 10:02:08am
206 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 10:03:22am
207 b_sharp  Jul 13, 2014 10:04:16am

re: #186 Pie-onist Overlord

A Libertarian does not like my meme.
YOU DON’T HAZ TO WORKS AT MY SWEATSHOP!!!! GO WORK AT SOME OTHER SWEATSHOP!!!!!

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This libertarian apparently doesn’t understand the free market and for some reason considers the benefit package to be a freebie given by the employer out of the goodness of its heart.

208 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 10:07:52am

Truth and Fiction

Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn’t.” ~ Mark Twain in Following the Equator

209 Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2014 10:09:33am

re: #201 Killgore Trout

They should have given the series to Tarantino for the reboot. He might have done something interesting with it.

The reviews I’ve read for this installment, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, are rave reviews. It’s getting universal acclaim from film critics, who are praising it as not only an excellent sci-fi movie, but an excellent film, period.

It’s one of those rare cases where the sequel is being considered better than the film that preceded it.

According to Todd McCarthy of The Hollywood Reporter, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes:

“manages to do at least three things exceptionally well that are hard enough to pull off individually: Maintain a simmering level of tension without let-up for two hours, seriously improve on a very good first entry in a franchise and produce a powerful humanistic statement using a significantly simian cast of characters. In the annals of sequels, Dawn is to Rise of the Planet of the Apes what The Empire Strikes Back was to Star Wars—it’s that much better.”

hollywoodreporter.com

210 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 10:10:02am

HAPPY PICTURE of THE DAY:

211 Killgore Trout  Jul 13, 2014 10:12:45am

re: #209 Dr Lizardo

The previous one actually wasn’t that bad. Like most big Hollywood productions it fell into a few unfortunate cliches that tarnished it for me.

212 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 10:20:02am

I learned yesterday that they run the bulls in Chicago.

Why?

I have no idea. Probably it is profitable.

213 Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2014 10:21:04am

re: #211 Killgore Trout

The previous one actually wasn’t that bad. Like most big Hollywood productions it fell into a few unfortunate cliches that tarnished it for me.

I suppose cliches are perhaps somewhat unavoidable in big-budget flicks, but Rise of the Planet of the Apes was infintely preferable to Tim Burton’s misbegotten entry into the franchise.

I didn’t see Rise until it came out on DVD because of Burton’s film, but Rise of the Planet of the Apes pretty much made me forget all about Burton’s version.

If there is going to be one more Planet of the Apes film, it should end there; a trilogy and then let it go. In many ways, it’s been done to death - even briefly as a TV series in the 70s. But if they can crank out one more good film to wrap it up, then put the franchise to bed, at least it can go out on a high note.

214 danarchy  Jul 13, 2014 10:24:37am

re: #213 Dr Lizardo

I suppose cliches are perhaps somewhat unavoidable in big-budget flicks, but Rise of the Planet of the Apes was infintely preferable to Tim Burton’s misbegotten entry into the franchise.

I didn’t see Rise until it came out on DVD because of Burton’s film, but Rise of the Planet of the Apes pretty much made me forget all about Burton’s version.

If there is going to be one more Planet of the Apes film, it should end there; a trilogy and then let it go. In many ways, it’s been done to death - even briefly as a TV series in the 70s. But if they can crank out one more good film to wrap it up, then put the franchise to bed, at least it can go out on a high note.

Nothing every truly gets put to bed in hollywood. Just put on mothballs for 20-30 years and then trotted out again. God forbid they have to come up with good original concepts.

215 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 10:29:29am

for Gus:

216 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 10:33:49am
217 Dr Lizardo  Jul 13, 2014 10:35:28am

re: #214 danarchy

Nothing every truly gets put to bed in hollywood. Just put on mothballs for 20-30 years and then trotted out again. God forbid they have to come up with good original concepts.

True enough, unfortunately. I guess I’m looking at it from an artistic point of view, not a financial one.

If I were in charge, I’d say, “OK, guys….one more flick, and that’s it. I want something well-written, well-acted, visually impressive and also something that wraps it all up unambiguously that the apes have replaced humans as the dominant species, that humans are as rare as Rwandan mountain gorillas, and that when the last scene fades to black and the closing credits roll, there will be no question whatsoever that our little Earth is indeed now the planet of the apes.”

But that’s just me. :)

218 blueraven  Jul 13, 2014 10:37:14am

re: #206 FemNaziBitch


Are you sure that is real and not a photoshop?

The priests appear to be waving, not doing a Nazi salute.

219 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 10:40:35am
220 blueraven  Jul 13, 2014 10:43:58am

re: #218 blueraven

Are you sure that is real and not a photoshop?

The priests appear to be waving, not doing a Nazi salute.

Public execution of Polish priests and civilians

Nazi persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany

221 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 10:44:47am
222 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 10:46:02am

re: #218 blueraven

Are you sure that is real and not a photoshop?

The priests appear to be waving, not doing a Nazi salute.

could be.

I know the Church was complicit early on. They issued an apology a while back.

Such things have been pushed into the memory archive …

223 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 10:47:24am

seems, as always, it was a mixed bag.

224 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 10:49:24am
225 Timothy Watson  Jul 13, 2014 10:49:38am

re: #222 FemNaziBitch

could be.

I know the Church was complicit early on. They issued an apology a while back.

Such things have been pushed into the memory archive …

The Catholics sure as hell didn’t care when the Ustase were exterminating Serbs and Jews.

226 BlueSpotinAL  Jul 13, 2014 10:54:47am

re: #160 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

This article by Lott is contemptible:

foxnews.com

I am not going to believe anything John Lott says until Mary Rosh substantiates it. en.wikipedia.org

227 sagehen  Jul 13, 2014 10:56:11am

re: #221 FemNaziBitch

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Is that a real live bear, or a stuffed toy?

228 blueraven  Jul 13, 2014 10:56:48am

re: #223 FemNaziBitch

seems, as always, it was a mixed bag.

Indeed.

I don’t find the photo or the caption to be helpful. That twitter user seems quite strident.

229 Romantic Heretic  Jul 13, 2014 10:58:21am

re: #103 andres

This reminds me of a scene in Good Omens. The angel and the demon are having some sort of discussion1 and they each make some sort of list on the good freedom fighters and evil terrorists organizations. When they compare notes, I think it was 9 out of 10 were in both lists. In other words, it’s a matter of perspective.

________
1. It’s been a long time since I last read this book. I’m going by memory.

Freedom fighters are terrorists who won. Like the Founding Fathers.

230 Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2014 10:59:04am

re: #218 blueraven

Are you sure that is real and not a photoshop?

The priests appear to be waving, not doing a Nazi salute.

It’s been around since long before PS.

Fact: It’s a big church, has fascist and communist priests, and everything in between. Catholics killed Jews and saved Jews, collaborated with the Nazis, and died resisting in the White Rose.

231 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 11:00:33am

re: #228 blueraven

Indeed.

I don’t find the photo or the caption to be helpful. That twitter user seems quite strident.

It’s important to remember that the Church is made up of individuals with their own biases.

When one Priest acts on his own accord, he IS the Church to the lay people affected by his actions.

The Vatican has traditionally done a terrible job of making this clear to the general public. They protect their own. Which makes them complicit to many criminal actions, IMHO.

The Vatican is expert in having it’s cake and eating it too.

232 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 11:04:03am

re: #212 FemNaziBitch

I learned yesterday that they run the bulls in Chicago.

Why?

I have no idea. Probably it is profitable.

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Is it just me or is that Bull missing testicles?

233 b_sharp  Jul 13, 2014 11:05:25am

re: #232 FemNaziBitch

Is it just me or is that Bull missing testicles?

They were stolen to put on a pickup truck.

234 FemNaziBitch  Jul 13, 2014 11:05:33am

As it’s Sunday, I don’t want to tarnish my status as a heretic, I’ve been posting about religion.

I hope you don’t mind.

Now, I have to attend service at the Church of the Holy Mattress.

bbl

235 blueraven  Jul 13, 2014 11:12:56am

re: #230 Decatur Deb

It’s been around since long before PS.

Fact: It’s a big church, has fascist and communist priests, and everything in between. Catholics killed Jews and saved Jews, collaborated with the Nazis, and died resisting in the White Rose.

True, but this twitter user is equating Nazi support and the issues of today; Abortion and Gay Marriage. That is really not fair when we are talking about something that had sporadic individual support some 70 odd years ago.

It is the caption that sucks.

The “Catholic Church” does not support Nazis.

236 Romantic Heretic  Jul 13, 2014 11:14:38am

re: #191 FemNaziBitch

it’s just like being king of their own little island.

Or their own underwater city.

We know how that turned out.

237 Kilroy01  Jul 13, 2014 11:14:58am

re: #222 FemNaziBitch

could be.

I know the Church was complicit early on. They issued an apology a while back.

Such things have been pushed into the memory archive …

alamoministries.com

Here are a whole bunch of photos like that one - (Not supporting the site’s message, just taking note of the pictures. )

238 Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2014 11:23:54am

re: #235 blueraven

True, but this twitter user is equating Nazi support and the issues of today; Abortion and Gay Marriage. That is really not fair when we are talking about something that had sporadic individual support some 70 odd years ago.

It is the caption that sucks.

The “Catholic Church” does not support Nazis.

Despite its monolithic look, the Catholic Church, as a whole, cannot be said to support any modern political ideology.

en.wikipedia.org

239 Stanley Sea  Jul 13, 2014 11:32:54am

Laughing how the RWNJ’s biggest boogie man Eric Holder trolled Sister Sarah today.

240 EmmaAnne  Jul 13, 2014 11:59:04am

re: #195 b_sharp

Hunting for food & hunting for trophies or the joy of the kill are two distinct mindsets.

Hunting for food is a practical matter. Hunting for the thrill of the kill is a failing of empathy and shows a tendency toward sociopathic behaviour.

I’ve got to disagree with this a bit. I have friends and family members who hunt. They do it responsibly, according to state hunting licenses, make sure the kills are clean, and they eat the meat. But without speaking for them, it isn’t just practical. There is an element of pitting your skills against the prey and winning. I don’t see this as sociopathic, even though it doesn’t appeal to me at all. It seems more like first person shooter games than something evil.

241 Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2014 12:04:31pm

re: #240 EmmaAnne

I’ve got to disagree with this a bit. I have friends and family members who hunt. They do it responsibly, according to state hunting licenses, make sure the kills are clean, and they eat the meat. But without speaking for them, it isn’t just practical. There is an element of pitting your skills against the prey and winning. I don’t see this as sociopathic, even though it doesn’t appeal to me at all. It seems more like first person shooter games than something evil.

Heh. I agree about the hunting. Millions of Quietists, from Hindus to Quakers, would disagree about the innocence of FPSs.

242 b_sharp  Jul 13, 2014 12:07:18pm

re: #240 EmmaAnne

I’ve got to disagree with this a bit. I have friends and family members who hunt. They do it responsibly, according to state hunting licenses, make sure the kills are clean, and they eat the meat. But without speaking for them, it isn’t just practical. There is an element of pitting your skills against the prey and winning. I don’t see this as sociopathic, even though it doesn’t appeal to me at all. It seems more like first person shooter games than something evil.

How is setting up blinds, using calls and weapons capable of killing at a distance pitting their skills against other animals?

I too have friends and family who hunt. My younger brother was one who liked the killing & I confronted him on it. I loved him, but his desire for death bothered the hell out of me. It’s an atavistic desire.


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