Arizona Politician Mistakes YMCA Campers for Migrant Children

“I saw the fear on their faces”
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Republican congressional candidate and state legislator Adam Kwasman had just raced up to Phoenix Tuesday morning from the protest in Oracle over the expected arrival of dozens of migrant children at a shelter.

He had tweeted from the scene, “Bus coming in. This is not compassion. This is the abrogation of the rule of law.” He included a photo of the back of a yellow school bus.

Kwasman later told me he saw the migrant children. “I was actually able to see some of the children in the buses. The fear on their faces…. This is not compassion,” he said.

But there was a problem with Kwasman’s story: There was no fear on their faces. Those weren’t the migrant children in the school bus. Those were children from the Marana school district. They were heading to the YMCA’s Triangle Y Camp, not far from the Rite of Passage shelter for the migrants, at the base of Mt. Lemmon.

12 News reporter Will Pitts, who is at the protest scene, says he saw the children laughing and taking pictures of the media.

I had to break it to Kwasman that those weren’t migrant children. Kwasman later deleted the tweet. He did back flips trying to take back the story he told me.

And while the “Y” kids showed up, the bus that Kwasman and other protesters were waiting for — packed with migrant children — won’t be going to the shelter today, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Kwasman is running in the 1st Congressional District GOP primary against House Speaker Andy Tobin and businessman Gary Kiehne. The winner will face Democratic Congresswoman Ann Kirkpatrick in the general election.

More at AZCentral.

He just lies and lies and goes on and on.

I can’t see the video embed here, you have to click through to watch it but it’s like GAH WHAT IS HE SAYING.

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186 comments
1 jaunte  Jul 15, 2014 5:17:00pm
12 News reporter Will Pitts, who is at the protest scene, says he saw the children laughing and taking pictures of the media.

Why is my tax money paying for free cameras for illeagles!!??!

2 Belafon  Jul 15, 2014 5:19:59pm

Does he ever claim to be a Christian?

3 Stanley Sea  Jul 15, 2014 5:20:28pm

Illeagles. Word of the day.

4 Stanley Sea  Jul 15, 2014 5:21:42pm

Oliver’s Army is strangely appropriate.

5 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 5:22:04pm

Unreal. Just unreal. He made a “mistake” that totally exposed him as a racist piece of shit, then just tried to keep on raving about it even after being exposed.

These people are not right in the head.

6 Lancelot Link  Jul 15, 2014 5:23:30pm

What a shanda.

7 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 15, 2014 5:23:53pm
This is not compassion. This is the abrogation of the rule of law.

This makes no sense. And it’s not even true.

When the Underground Railroad was running, that was an act of compassion, even though it probably broke a bunch of southern escaped slave laws.

When Jews were hidden and spirited out of occupied Nazi territories, those were acts of compassions that broke Nazi laws.

(and yes, I Godwined early, so sue me)

Edit: The “not even true” is about the fact that there is a law on the books about this very thing, so it’s not abrogating anything. The rest is about the stupid juxtaposition.

8 Romantic Heretic  Jul 15, 2014 5:23:56pm

All I heard before I shut it off was something about ‘abrogating the rule of law.’

Since when have dickwads like this given two shrill hoots in Niffleheim about the rule of law?

9 wrenchwench  Jul 15, 2014 5:25:44pm
10 jaunte  Jul 15, 2014 5:26:26pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

“I take full responsibility for hiding my error.”

11 jaunte  Jul 15, 2014 5:26:51pm

Not a “simple mistake.”

12 lawhawk  Jul 15, 2014 5:26:55pm

What is it about hammers and nails. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

This nitwit thinks that there are foreigners behind every bush, tree, and school bus. Imparts feelings of dread on them when all they are are a bunch of kids heading to the local day camp.

Welcome to the modern GOP.

13 jaunte  Jul 15, 2014 5:27:11pm

A deliberate lie, told with purpose.

14 lawhawk  Jul 15, 2014 5:27:34pm

re: #10 jaunte

“I take full responsibility for hiding my error.”

I apologize for not doing a better job hiding what I actually did. /

15 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 5:28:55pm

Can’t shut off autoplay on this video, apparently, so I set it to open on click.

16 Tigger2  Jul 15, 2014 5:30:58pm

I hate what has become of this once Great Nation, We can’t even help a bunch of kids now that are in danger in their home countries,, This Nation is no longer as Great as it once was the Knuckledraggers are bringing it down.

17 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 15, 2014 5:31:35pm

What a horrible human being.

18 wrenchwench  Jul 15, 2014 5:31:41pm

From Facebook.

Pinal County Sheriff’s Office
Yesterday at 12:43pm *

Unaccompanied Illegal Minors Being Transferred to Boys Ranch in Oracle

During the past few days, the Pinal County Sheriff’s Office has been informed by “whistle blowers” within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security they plan to transfer between 40 and 60 unaccompanied illegal minors to the “Sycamore Canyon Boys Ranch” in Oracle.

Our office has communicated with Homeland Security to express our public safety and public health concerns. We have already reached out to the director of the Sycamore Canyon Boys Ranch who has
confirmed Homeland Security has been in negotiations with the facility to temporarily house the minors. The facility has increased their staff by approximately 30 employees in preparation for their anticipated arrival sometime tomorrow.

Sheriff Paul Babeu stated, “We already have our hands full fighting the Drug Cartels and Human Smugglers. We don’t need unaccompanied juveniles from Central America being flown into Arizona - compliments of President Obama. Local residents have every right to be upset and to protest. Our federal government has
failed to enforce any immigration laws. These children should be returned to their home country - not to Oracle, Arizona paid for by American taxpayers.” Sheriff Babeu continued “We understand there will be protesters who support and oppose ICE bringing the foreign juveniles to Oracle. The Sheriff’s Office will work to ensure the peace is maintained at these lawful assemblies.”

19 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 5:31:48pm

Imagine the internal dialog going on in Kwasman’s head as he babbled on trying to excuse what he said.

“OH NO, YOU BLEW IT MAN. NOW THEY’LL KNOW. NEVER MIND. JUST KEEP TALKING. PRETEND IT’S AN HONEST MISTAKE. WHHAAARRRGARBL.”

20 wrenchwench  Jul 15, 2014 5:32:07pm
21 Stanley Sea  Jul 15, 2014 5:32:37pm

Xenophobia, it’s what’s for dinner.

There was an NPR interview earlier today of people @ Oracle, AZ. They first interviewed an old couple who talked disease etc.

The reporter really did a good job of walking it back, saying what you just heard was ugly xenophobia.

22 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 15, 2014 5:32:44pm

Of course our friends (I use the word with extreme generosity) at #tcot have been spewing racist shit for days.

23 jaunte  Jul 15, 2014 5:32:44pm

Republican hostility to border kids alienates Hispanics again

By Fernando Espuelas

“…Republicans can’t help themselves — when they see an opportunity to irritate the Latino electorate, they go for it with gusto. With unseemly glee, Republicans have transformed the humanitarian crisis of children at our southern border into an “invasion” that must be repelled with soldiers.”

24 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 15, 2014 5:33:15pm
25 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 15, 2014 5:33:35pm
26 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 5:34:03pm
27 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 15, 2014 5:34:27pm

I have to say, he does a better Stephen Colbert than Stephen Colbert. Some of the finest moments on Comedy Central haven’t been that good.

28 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 15, 2014 5:34:30pm
29 Decatur Deb  Jul 15, 2014 5:34:48pm

Hey, give the pendejo a break. When we were bussed off to Camp Fatima we looked terrified too.

30 Stanley Sea  Jul 15, 2014 5:34:57pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

From Facebook.

GAH

31 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 15, 2014 5:35:28pm
32 Varek Raith  Jul 15, 2014 5:36:31pm

Would someone please think of the ill eagles!?!?

33 nines09  Jul 15, 2014 5:37:32pm

It’s like the “Quickening” in Highlander. There can be only one. Falling over one another to be more stupid and ignorant than the last. Then doubling down. Wow.

34 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 15, 2014 5:37:40pm

This shit has just exploded with ugliness. I guess since the Cliven Bundy stuff is over, they have to direct their rage somewhere.

I remember being in New Mexico once staying in a hotel with some “citizen border patrol” gun nuts and overhearing their conversation. This was back in the Bush years.

35 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 5:37:49pm

Meanwhile, some Greenwald fans are starting to notice what a complete asshole he is:

36 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 15, 2014 5:40:19pm

Remember, no matter how much you expose these morons, they do not retreat, they just reload.

37 wrenchwench  Jul 15, 2014 5:40:28pm

re: #25 Pie-onist Overlord

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That’s from November.

38 wrenchwench  Jul 15, 2014 5:42:07pm
39 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 5:45:35pm

If I spray any more Raid around my house I’ll probably mutate into some kind of weird insectoid monster. Which might not be too bad.

40 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 15, 2014 5:45:48pm

Apropos of something:

New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

From here:
howtallisthestatueofliberty.org

41 Tigger2  Jul 15, 2014 5:47:37pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

If I spray any more Raid around my house I’ll probably mutate into some kind of weird insectoid monster. Which might not be too bad.

I’m doing the same thing with flea spray.

42 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 15, 2014 5:48:13pm

Hey! Who let all the ticks out of the clock!?!

43 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 15, 2014 5:51:18pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, some Greenwald fans are starting to notice what a complete asshole he is:

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It’s sort of like what happens to Justin Bieber fans once they get exposed to real music.

RBS

44 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 15, 2014 5:51:21pm
45 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 15, 2014 5:52:28pm
46 jaunte  Jul 15, 2014 5:52:36pm

re: #44 Pie-onist Overlord

Using our tax dollars!

“…As immigration reform continues to be held up in the House, Republicans seem to be perfectly content to lose the Latino vote for a generation to come. This week’s latest misadventure: Claiming that President Obama’s $3.7 billion emergency spending request is too costly. Yet for some odd reason, the House GOP seemed to be perfectly willing to spend $227 billion on a business tax cut measure this past Friday with no mention of paying for or offsetting that amount. Because well, White millionaires can always use an unpaid tax break but when it’s money for child refugees, well that’s when we have to be careful about our spending.”
thepeoplesview.net

47 Varek Raith  Jul 15, 2014 5:52:59pm

re: #45 Pie-onist Overlord

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RETEET!

48 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 15, 2014 5:53:28pm
49 Stanley Sea  Jul 15, 2014 5:53:37pm

Hungry.

50 JustMark  Jul 15, 2014 5:53:50pm

re: #41 Tigger2

I’m doing the same thing with flea spray.

Yellow Jackets here…

51 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 15, 2014 5:54:02pm
52 wrenchwench  Jul 15, 2014 5:54:03pm

Young migrants unlikely to bring diseases to U.S., experts say

[…]

Doctors on the border have a long history of treating immigrant children who accompany their parents across the border.

Dr. Martin Garza, a volunteer pediatrician at the Sacred Heart relief shelter in McAllen, sees the same health conditions in immigrant children as in his private patients at his Edinburg clinic.

“We haven’t seen kids who have been significantly ill,” he said. “In fact, we’re seeing the opposite. I’m seeing kids that have been well taken care of in their country, that have vaccination records with them, that are not the poorest of the poor but a middle-class type person from their country.”

[…]

Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins, who has led the effort to bring the children to Dallas, said he was not worried about them transporting serious diseases with them.

“The community need not be concerned about a mysterious disease,” he said Wednesday after a meeting with Obama. He also conferred with Dr. Kyle Janek, executive commissioner of the Texas Health and Human Services Commission, about TB testing for the children.

“The community needs to be concerned that these are children,” Jenkins said. “And, in Texas, we stand up for children.”

If any diseases should appear as a result of their transfer to Dallas, Jenkins said, “we have protocols in place that are exhaustive to quarantine children that are contagious.”

Jenkins added that immigrant children had similar health profiles and higher vaccination rates than most American children.

“The diseases that the children may carry are, for the most part, diseases that go through every elementary school in [Dallas Independent School District] every year. And the more serious diseases are the diseases that we treat at Parkland every day.”

[…]

53 wrenchwench  Jul 15, 2014 5:55:29pm

re: #49 Stanley Sea

Hungry.

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You’re killing me.

54 jaunte  Jul 15, 2014 5:56:02pm

tcot: agitating each other into health problems.

55 wrenchwench  Jul 15, 2014 5:57:18pm

Later, lizards.

56 blueraven  Jul 15, 2014 5:57:57pm

I like the way he is trying to sound all compassionate and shit, yet at the same time tough, while simultaneously lying his ass off.

The duplicity is quite amazing. That’s hard to pull off!

57 Stanley Sea  Jul 15, 2014 5:58:35pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

Young migrants unlikely to bring diseases to U.S., experts say

The minute I hear someone say disease I shut them out. They are the worst of the worst. Haven’t gotten up the urge to look up and document how all, ALL of our immigrants from day 35 were subjected to that.

I am so ashamed of people right now.

It comes down to the basic, do you care about people or are you a selfish fuck.

58 Belafon  Jul 15, 2014 5:59:13pm

re: #51 Pie-onist Overlord

I have decided that, when I respond to them, I’m going to say “At least you’re not a Christian, right?”

59 dog philosopher  Jul 15, 2014 5:59:31pm

re: #56 blueraven

I like the way he is trying to sound all compassionate and shit, yet at the same time tough, while simultaneously lying his ass off.

The duplicity is quite amazing. That’s hard to pull off!

i think the emphasis on the word “compassion” in gop comments about this issue means they can see what assholes it makes them look like and they’re uttering a magic incantation hoping it will take the ugly off

60 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 15, 2014 5:59:35pm

re: #50 JustMark

Yellow Jackets here…

I went into my storage shed last year, and soon as I opened the door a bunch of red wasps came flying out. (and they are pretty aggressive)

They had built a nest not on the door, but in the rafters just inside and above the door. The only way I would have been able to spray them would be to open the door, run to the back of the shed, and spray back at them, putting angry wasps between me and the only exit from the shed. After due consideration, I decided that there was not even 1 part of that plan that sounded like a good idea.

I got a couple of the ‘bug bombs’ each one good for something like 800 square feet. (shed is 10 x 12). Once the sun went down and it cooled off I slipped the door open and let off not 1 but 2 inside the shed.

Next morning, they were all dead, I wasn’t stung, and I attribute it all to massive overuse of chemical weapons.

RBS

61 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 15, 2014 5:59:45pm
62 Decatur Deb  Jul 15, 2014 6:00:21pm

re: #56 blueraven

I like the way he is trying to sound all compassionate and shit, yet at the same time tough, while simultaneously lying his ass off.

The duplicity is quite amazing. That’s hard to pull off!

After looking at the replay, the line judge rules that “triplicity’.

63 jaunte  Jul 15, 2014 6:01:41pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

The don’t seem to worry much about North Texas churches, for some reason.

[2013] A measles outbreak in Texas traces to a congregation of a megachurch whose leader, Kenneth Copeland, reportedly has warned followers away from vaccines, advocating for faith healing and pushing the debunked notion that vaccines cause autism. One of Copeland’s churches, Eagle Mountain International Church in North Texas, is the epicenter of the outbreak, which now has hit at least 20 people
forbes.com

64 Lidane  Jul 15, 2014 6:02:33pm

A friendly PSA for Adam Kwasman:

Just FYI. Asshole.

No love,
Me

65 Stanley Sea  Jul 15, 2014 6:04:37pm

re: #59 dog philosopher

i think the emphasis on the word “compassion” in gop comments about this issue means they can see what assholes it makes them look like and they’re uttering a magic incantation hoping it will take the ugly off

The gall to use that word.

Oh yeah, compassionate conservative.

‘member that?

66 Tigger2  Jul 15, 2014 6:05:24pm

re: #51 Pie-onist Overlord

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And the Republicans obstruct.

67 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 15, 2014 6:06:21pm

re: #59 dog philosopher

i think the emphasis on the word “compassion” in gop comments about this issue means they can see what assholes it makes them look like and they’re uttering a magic incantation hoping it will take the ugly off

it’s like the phrase “With all due respect”. It isn’t a carte blanche to go and be an asshole.

RBS

68 goddamnedfrank  Jul 15, 2014 6:07:17pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

If I spray any more Raid around my house I’ll probably mutate into some kind of weird insectoid monster. Which might not be too bad.

Have you placed ant stakes around the perimeter and along the trails? Raid sprays kind of suck because they don’t mistake it for food and take it back to the hive, they’re temporary relief at best.

69 Belafon  Jul 15, 2014 6:07:31pm

re: #64 Lidane

I have a friend here in Texas who we’re pretty sure comes from a family that was here long before most of those from the southern states move here. He’s definitely of Latino heritage, but he had to learn Spanish when he married his wife, who was from some Central American country. His parents don’t even speak Spanish.

70 jaunte  Jul 15, 2014 6:07:46pm

re: #65 Stanley Sea

The gall to use that word.

Oh yeah, compassionate conservative.

‘member that?

Branstad: Don’t send immigrant children to Iowa

….Branstad, a Catholic, was asked about the fact that Iowa’s four Catholic bishops recently issued a public statement expressing humanitarian concern about the immigrant children who have crossed into the United States. He noted that his wife, Chris, is a board member of Holy Family Catholic School in Des Moines, which has a large percentage of minority students, many of whom are immigrants, and that he has contributed and supported education for these children.

71 Stanley Sea  Jul 15, 2014 6:11:22pm

re: #70 jaunte

Branstad: Don’t send immigrant children to Iowa

These people are going to go to their hell.

72 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 6:11:33pm

OK, this creeps me out.

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 15, 2014 6:12:46pm

Thomas Massie, my idiot congresscritter…

74 ObserverArt  Jul 15, 2014 6:13:14pm

re: #12 lawhawk

What is it about hammers and nails. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

This nitwit thinks that there are foreigners behind every bush, tree, and school bus. Imparts feelings of dread on them when all they are are a bunch of kids heading to the local day camp.

Welcome to the modern GOP.

Hammer and nails are needed to keep building that GOP platform.

75 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 6:13:38pm

re: #68 goddamnedfrank

I have some Terro bait traps on order but they aren’t here yet, so for today it’s Raid.

76 e e smith  Jul 15, 2014 6:14:26pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

I’m battling an infestation of what I gather are “foreign grain beetles”.

SECURE oUR BOARDERS!! BUIILd THE DANGED FENCE!!!!

77 goddamnedfrank  Jul 15, 2014 6:15:55pm
Kwasman later told me he saw the migrant children. “I was actually able to see some of the children in the buses. The fear on their faces…. This is not compassion,” he said.

Let’s assume for a second he was right, and this was a bus full of migrant kids and not a bunch of Y campers. Would migrant kids from central america be less terrified in Mexico where they’re not from either? Or in native shitholes like Honduras, with the highest murder rate in the world?

Also, when migrant busloads of children actually are seen, and those children actually are afraid, their fear is most likely to come from the hoard of angry revanchist right-wing taint-wits that are protesting and screaming at them.

78 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 6:16:46pm
79 ObserverArt  Jul 15, 2014 6:17:33pm

re: #16 Tigger2

I hate what has become of this once Great Nation, We can’t even help a bunch of kids now that are in danger in their home countries,, This Nation is no longer as Great as it once was the Knuckledraggers are bringing it down.

I hope that isn’t true. The big problem is the media gives inordinate amounts of coverage to those that scream in the most dramatic fashion. Everything now is about reality TV and that means in your face complainers making ugly faces and threatening.

I think if you could judge real numbers, most American’s probably aren’t as cold, bigoted and ignorant and willing to run of kids in need.

80 Stanley Sea  Jul 15, 2014 6:22:33pm

re: #76 e e smith

I’m battling an infestation of what I gather are “foreign grain beetles”.

SECURE oUR BOARDERS!! BUIILd THE DANGED FENCE!!!!

Welcome Hatchling.

(ww out for the eve)

81 ObserverArt  Jul 15, 2014 6:23:01pm

re: #25 Pie-onist Overlord

[Mexicans Storm the Southern Border [Video] » Joe For America joeforamerica.com … via @rcca08 #tcot #teaparty #pjnet #noamnesty]

Oh no…not the ugly Ohio idiot plumber.

I hadn’t seen his tweets before (or ignored them!) anyway I checked his image and the t-shirt he is wearing says:

Don’t Spread My Wealth
Spread My Work Ethic

Uh, what is it you do that is so ethical and admirable?

Speaking as an Ohioan, this boob is embarrassing.

82 Lidane  Jul 15, 2014 6:23:36pm

re: #69 Belafon

I have a friend here in Texas who we’re pretty sure comes from a family that was here long before most of those from the southern states move here. He’s definitely of Latino heritage, but he had to learn Spanish when he married his wife, who was from some Central American country. His parents don’t even speak Spanish.

My family settled in what is now Texas back in the early 1700’s. They came to Mexico from Spain before that. I found that out when my mom did her PhD dissertation. She decided that charting both sides of my family tree back as far as she could would be her project. She managed almost 300 years of records. It’s awesome.

I need to go back and read it again. I haven’t done it in a while.

83 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 15, 2014 6:23:56pm
84 Stanley Sea  Jul 15, 2014 6:24:54pm

re: #81 ObserverArt

Oh no…not the ugly Ohio idiot plumber.

I hadn’t seen his tweets before (or ignored them!) anyway I checked his image and the t-shirt he is wearing says:

Don’t Spread My Wealth
Spread My Work Ethic

Uh, what is it you do that is so ethical and admirable?

Speaking as an Ohioan, this boob is embarrassing.

Remember when Joe the Fake Plumber got a free trip to Israel? He’s found the wingnut grift machine. World Travel!

85 Decatur Deb  Jul 15, 2014 6:25:29pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

I have some Terro bait traps on order but they aren’t here yet, so for today it’s Raid.

On the earlier thread someone gave a DIY Terro formula.

86 Decatur Deb  Jul 15, 2014 6:28:08pm

XKCD makin’ it real:

xkcd.com

87 Amory Blaine  Jul 15, 2014 6:28:42pm

Those kids weren’t sad they were probably tired. I used to love going to those Y camps when I was a kid and I used to catch the bus about 5 am for some of the day camps.

88 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 15, 2014 6:29:45pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

On the earlier thread someone gave a DIY Terro formula.

That was me.
DIY: mix borax, honey or sugar, and water.

That recipe and others can be found here.

89 Mentis Fugit  Jul 15, 2014 6:29:58pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea

Oliver’s Army is strangely appropriate.

Too late. They’re already recruiting for the Goon Squad.

90 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 6:30:27pm

???!!!?!!!???

91 ObserverArt  Jul 15, 2014 6:31:10pm

re: #70 jaunte

Branstad: Don’t send immigrant children to Iowa

Politics favored over his own morality???

Wow.

92 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 6:31:30pm

I guess I’m supposed to intuitively understand what it means when someone tweets four question marks at me.

93 Stanley Sea  Jul 15, 2014 6:33:06pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

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???!!!?!!!???

Engage?

94 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 15, 2014 6:33:17pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

I guess I’m supposed to intuitively understand what it means when someone tweets four question marks at me.

I’ll have to say that Alex Jones fans don’t hunt people down and abuse them all over the Internet.

95 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 15, 2014 6:34:13pm

re: #63 jaunte

The don’t seem to worry much about North Texas churches, for some reason.

Goddamn Kenneth Copeland. I didn’t know he was still alive doing that prosperity gospel grift.

96 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 6:34:29pm
97 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 6:34:52pm
98 Decatur Deb  Jul 15, 2014 6:35:56pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

I guess I’m supposed to intuitively understand what it means when someone tweets four question marks at me.

Emoticon for ‘Complete Cognitive Breakdown That Can Only Be Relieved by a Detailed Posting of Your Position and the Paths That Took You Thereto’.

(Have to use the ??—140 limit and all.)

99 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 15, 2014 6:35:57pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

I guess I’m supposed to intuitively understand what it means when someone tweets four question marks at me.

Maybe he tweeted some symbols that your browser rendered as ????

100 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 6:36:11pm
101 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 15, 2014 6:36:33pm

What an asstard.

102 Lidane  Jul 15, 2014 6:37:42pm

BEES

103 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 6:39:51pm
104 thedopefishlives  Jul 15, 2014 6:40:32pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

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YOU KILLED KENNY!

105 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 15, 2014 6:44:08pm

Here’s a way to really freak out the Glennbots/Alex Jones types: Tell them about the “number stations”:

For decades, shortwave radio enthusiasts have been stumbling upon mysterious stations that broadcast a looping noise, such as a nursery rhyme, occasionally punctuated by someone reading a string of numbers. The most popular theory is that these are coded messages—and now, an online shortwave radio lets you listen in.

Shortwave is an ideal medium for transmitting messages to spies and the military, notes the blog War is Boring. It’s easy to broadcast globally, hard to trace and free of commercial traffic.

The theory is that spies or military personnel tune into the frequency at an appointed time and use a one-time pad to decrypt the message. Anyone else listening hears a random string of numbers with no context.

There’s a link to a web-based feed to hear them!

106 SteveMcGazi  Jul 15, 2014 6:45:50pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

If I spray any more Raid around my house I’ll probably mutate into some kind of weird insectoid monster. Which might not be too bad.

If you really want to be a lizard, you know what you gotta do…

107 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 6:48:38pm
108 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 6:49:44pm
109 jaunte  Jul 15, 2014 6:52:27pm
damage to USA & damage to NSA. Not the same things

Someone putting holes in your plumbing vs. flooding your house.
Not the exactly the same things.

110 Romantic Heretic  Jul 15, 2014 6:54:22pm

re: #33 nines09

It’s like the “Quickening” in Highlander. There can be only one. Falling over one another to be more stupid and ignorant than the last. Then doubling down. Wow.

The Derpening.

111 Stanley Sea  Jul 15, 2014 6:56:30pm

re: #101 Pie-onist Overlord

What an asstard.

[Embedded content]

That crazy gun criminal is off the radar.

112 Romantic Heretic  Jul 15, 2014 6:57:10pm

re: #54 jaunte

tcot: agitating each other into health problems.

In addition to the mental health problems they already have?

113 darthstar  Jul 15, 2014 6:57:46pm

The audio for that protest is telling. You can hear one woman on the tape, when she realizes the kids were American, saying something to the effect of, “Oh my god, those poor kids must be terrified!”

114 Romantic Heretic  Jul 15, 2014 6:58:23pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Well, who designed them?

115 Lidane  Jul 15, 2014 7:06:33pm

re: #113 darthstar

The audio for that protest is telling. You can hear one woman on the tape, when she realizes the kids were American, saying something to the effect of, “Oh my god, those poor kids must be terrified!”

That’s what pisses me off the most about these assholes and their protests. It’s also what scares me the most about the militia yahoos going to “defend the border” in Texas. It would be so easy for these idiots to hurt or intimidate American kids without realizing it because they’ve decided that brown people = illegal.

There are a bunch of kids on the border who are American but don’t speak English because their parents have decided to emphasize Spanish first and then focus on English when their kids start school. Plus, down there damn near everyone speaks both languages. It’s normal. That’s going to make it harder for the gun fuckers to just aim at the brown kids and tell them to go back home.

116 darthstar  Jul 15, 2014 7:10:53pm
117 Kid A  Jul 15, 2014 7:11:18pm
118 jaunte  Jul 15, 2014 7:11:22pm

Tom Coburn’s “$60,000 per child” talking point, dissected.

“…contra Coburn, no one is asking to spend $60,000 to deport a child. Obama’s proposal includes more than $1.6 billion for faster deportations and $433 million for strengthened border security, both of them Republican demands. A smaller, if more important amount—$64 million—will fund 40 judicial teams to help reduce the case backlog. Other parts of the supplemental aren’t meant for deporting children, but to ensure they have legal representation, and to deal with the root causes—murder and violence—for their leaving their countries. For instance, $300 million would go to the State Department for repatriating the migrants and for a media campaign in Central America to correct misconceptions about the immigration system.”

119 darthstar  Jul 15, 2014 7:12:34pm

re: #115 Lidane

Yeah, the gun fuckers scare me too. One will go off and kill a bunch of kids (American or not, it doesn’t matter) and the people stirring this shit up won’t even get the blame they deserve.

120 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 7:13:54pm
121 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 7:14:30pm
122 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 15, 2014 7:15:28pm

re: #121 Charles Johnson

At some point this country will need to confront its deep streak of xenophobia; hopefully before it’s too late.

Sadly, it has ever been thus.

Edit: For a nation of immigrants, we sure like to shit on the next wave of them (see Italians, Irish, Chinese, Japanese … And we won’t even discuss the Native Americans)

123 Stanley Sea  Jul 15, 2014 7:16:20pm

Xenophobia

124 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 7:16:51pm
125 andres  Jul 15, 2014 7:17:15pm

Sorry to go OT, but a refreshing one.

Weird Al has released a new video today called Word Crimes (a parody of Blurred Lines). For all members of the Grammar Police, here’s your song:

Youtube Video

126 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 15, 2014 7:18:16pm

re: #115 Lidane

That’s what pisses me off the most about these assholes and their protests. It’s also what scares me the most about the militia yahoos going to “defend the border” in Texas. It would be so easy for these idiots to hurt or intimidate American kids without realizing it because they’ve decided that brown people = illegal.

There are a bunch of kids on the border who are American but don’t speak English because their parents have decided to emphasize Spanish first and then focus on English when their kids start school. Plus, down there damn near everyone speaks both languages. It’s normal. That’s going to make it harder for the gun fuckers to just aim at the brown kids and tell them to go back home.

I have a horribly bad record at making predictions, so I’m going to make mine here and hope that my track record holds up and this never happens.

I see a case where there is a bus of immigrants, documented or not is immaterial. Group of militia types try to stop the bus, screaming crowd, the kind of things that we’ve already seen. Bus driver panics, foot slips and the bus lurches, or he tries to drive through them to get away.

Somebody fires a round off, and at that point it won’t be over until all the magazines are empty.

I really really hope that I’m wrong, but I can see it happening so easily that it scares me.

127 Kid A  Jul 15, 2014 7:19:39pm

I was playing poker earlier tonight, and a guy to my left was going on about Obama killing the economy, government sucks and all this shit. I asked him what he did for a living and he replied: “Nothin’, why would I? I’m on disability.”

128 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 15, 2014 7:20:00pm

re: #105 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Here’s a way to really freak out the Glennbots/Alex Jones types: Tell them about the “number stations”:

There’s a link to a web-based feed to hear them!

30 years ago Zedushka bought a shortwave, and we found a bunch of “numbers” stations…English, Spanish, German. Yeah they are spy stations broadcasting openly. They are kind of creepy, but boring.

I’m sure there are better modes of communication now, but these low-tech methods have been around since WW2.

129 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 15, 2014 7:20:37pm

re: #105 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Here’s a way to really freak out the Glennbots/Alex Jones types: Tell them about the “number stations”:

There’s a link to a web-based feed to hear them!

Enthusiasts named these for their “theme songs.” There was “Cherry Ripe,” which was apparently run by MI-6 in the far east and “The Lincolnshire Poacher,” a numbers station that was eventually found to be operating from RAF Akrotiri on Cyprus. Both are now off the air, but US stations and some others still broadcast, including a Cuban station known as “Atención!”. The latter figured prominently in the trial of the Cuban “Wasp” spy network in 1998.

The article has a lot of great info, including the interesting fact that such stations have been noted by amateurs since the 1920s.

130 jaunte  Jul 15, 2014 7:20:49pm
131 Lidane  Jul 15, 2014 7:20:52pm
132 Kid A  Jul 15, 2014 7:21:01pm

Your Republican voter, my friends.

133 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 15, 2014 7:25:32pm

re: #129 Shiplord Kirel

Enthusiasts named these for their “theme songs.” There was “Cherry Ripe,” which was apparently run by MI-6 in the far east and “The Lincolnshire Poacher,” a numbers station that was eventually found to be operating from RAF Akrotiri on Cyprus. Both are now off the air, but US stations and some others still broadcast, including a Cuban station known as “Atención!”. The latter figured prominently in the trial of the Cuban “Wasp” spy network in 1998.

The article has a lot of great info, including the interesting fact that such stations have been noted by amateurs since the 1920s.

The thing is, even (especially?) with all the various computer encryption systems, there is nothing that can rival the security of a one-time pad, as long as the actual pads are kept secure.

RBS

134 jaunte  Jul 15, 2014 7:27:00pm

Blake Farenthold is an embarrassment.

135 thedopefishlives  Jul 15, 2014 7:27:55pm

re: #133 RealityBasedSteve

The thing is, even (especially?) with all the various computer encryption systems, there is nothing that can rival the security of a one-time pad, as long as the actual pads are kept secure.

RBS

And therein lies the main problem behind one-time pads: Secure distribution and maintenance of the pads.

136 lawhawk  Jul 15, 2014 7:28:46pm

re: #125 andres

In the same vein, he hits all the right notes with Stop Forwarding That Crap to Me.

Youtube Video

137 Lidane  Jul 15, 2014 7:29:26pm

re: #134 jaunte

So the House GOP’s big idea was to strip away Eric Holder’s paycheck? Seriously? WTF.

Every single person who voted for that should be bounced out of office for incompetence.

138 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 15, 2014 7:30:10pm

re: #135 thedopefishlives

And therein lies the main problem behind one-time pads: Secure distribution and maintenance of the pads.

Exactly, having a secure distribution channel in an insecure world. Whole world of tradecraft dedicated to that particular problem.

RBS

139 thedopefishlives  Jul 15, 2014 7:31:23pm

re: #137 Lidane

So the House GOP’s big idea was to strip away Eric Holder’s paycheck? Seriously? WTF.

Every single person who voted for that should be bounced out of office for incompetence.

But they won’t. Idiots who don’t care will just check the box next to the name of the guy they voted for last time, young ideologues will vote down the party line, and The Derp will flow freely into the Republican tally column. Voters in this country are hardly the “educated electorate” our Founding Fathers talked about.

140 Kid A  Jul 15, 2014 7:32:09pm

re: #137 Lidane

Why? It’ll raise him a shitload of money.
//

141 Mentis Fugit  Jul 15, 2014 7:32:18pm

re: #119 darthstar

Yeah, the gun fuckers scare me too. One will go off and kill a bunch of kids (American or not, it doesn’t matter) and the people stirring this shit up won’t even get the blame they deserve.

That’s the beauty of stochastic terrorism.

re: #126 RealityBasedSteve

I see a case where there is a bus of immigrants, documented or not is immaterial. Group of militia types try to stop the bus, screaming crowd, the kind of things that we’ve already seen. Bus driver panics, foot slips and the bus lurches, or he tries to drive through them to get away.

Or the bus lurches because one of the militia types tries to pull the driver out of his seat and the driver’s foot slips. We know they’re that stupid.

142 Stanley Sea  Jul 15, 2014 7:33:24pm

re: #132 Kid A

Your Republican voter, my friends.

We encounter these idjits and have to keep the cool to keep the peace.

But holy hell.

143 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 7:33:41pm
144 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 15, 2014 7:36:48pm

re: #136 lawhawk

In the same vein, he hits all the right notes with Stop Forwarding That Crap to Me.

[Embedded content]

Thanks for the earworm lullaby.

145 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 7:36:52pm

Oops, reposted that. But it needed to be pointed out again, I guess.

The Republican Party has been inciting this sick xenophobia for years. And now it’s boiling up out of the mentally ill right wing base.

146 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 15, 2014 7:37:38pm

re: #141 Mentis Fugit

That’s the beauty of stochastic terrorism.

Or the bus lurches because one of the militia types tries to pull the driver out of his seat and the driver’s foot slips. We know they’re that stupid.

Yet another bookmark added to my ever growing LGF Stuff folder. Thank you.

RBS

147 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 7:39:14pm
148 Stanley Sea  Jul 15, 2014 7:42:56pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

Oops, reposted that. But it needed to be pointed out again, I guess.

The Republican Party has been inciting this sick xenophobia for years. And now it’s boiling up out of the mentally ill right wing base.

It is the ugliest of ugly.

149 thedopefishlives  Jul 15, 2014 7:45:37pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

Oops, reposted that. But it needed to be pointed out again, I guess.

The Republican Party has been inciting this sick xenophobia for years. And now it’s boiling up out of the mentally ill right wing base.

Out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks.

150 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 15, 2014 7:45:54pm

re: #131 Lidane

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They’d also do well to remember this:
Exodus 22:21-24

21 You shall not wrong or oppress a resident alien, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt. 22 You shall not abuse any widow or orphan. 23 If you do abuse them, when they cry out to me, I will surely heed their cry; 24 my wrath will burn, and I will kill you with the sword, and your wives shall become widows and your children orphans.

151 thedopefishlives  Jul 15, 2014 7:46:51pm

re: #150 William Barnett-Lewis

They’d also do well to remember this:
>Exodus 22:21-24

Yeah, but that’s that stupid Old Testament stuff. Jesus made all that go away, we don’t have to listen to it anymore.

And alas, I wish I were joking. They will say this.

152 PhillyPretzel  Jul 15, 2014 7:48:19pm

re: #150 William Barnett-Lewis

That is what happens when you read the Cliff Notes version of the Bible. You miss important items.

153 jaunte  Jul 15, 2014 7:49:40pm

re: #150 William Barnett-Lewis

re: #151 thedopefishlives

Tweeted.

154 allegro  Jul 15, 2014 7:49:46pm

re: #151 thedopefishlives

Yeah, but that’s that stupid Old Testament stuff. Jesus made all that go away, we don’t have to listen to it anymore.

And alas, I wish I were joking. They will say this.

Wasn’t that pretty much the point of the New Testament? To make it palatable to the more life-embracing pagan sets?

155 thedopefishlives  Jul 15, 2014 7:51:15pm

re: #154 allegro

Wasn’t that pretty much the point of the New Testament? To make it palatable to the more life-embracing pagan sets?

Well, yes. But it’s not like we should ignore the moral lessons of the OT just because the stories describe God as all into killing anyone who isn’t a Jew.

156 andres  Jul 15, 2014 7:56:48pm

re: #136 lawhawk

In the same vein, he hits all the right notes with Stop Forwarding That Crap to Me.

[Embedded content]

Video

Oh, absolutely. “Weird” Al knows how to hit the right notes with his parodies.

157 Kid A  Jul 15, 2014 7:58:18pm

re: #147 Charles Johnson

Agreed.

158 jaunte  Jul 15, 2014 7:59:39pm
“…Attorney General Eric Holder finally said the obvious and that’s that racism drives and has always driven the relentless bashing of President Obama. In the past, Holder has strongly hinted that “racial animus,” as he put it in his frank charge, has been the mainstay behind the GOP’s non-stop, take no prisoners, assault on any and every initiative, program, and proposed piece of legislation that Obama has put forth. Holder’s hint of this came in April at a convention of Al Sharpton’s National Action Network when he bluntly demanded, “What president has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment?”
huffingtonpost.com
159 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 15, 2014 8:00:07pm

re: #154 allegro

Wasn’t that pretty much the point of the New Testament? To make it palatable to the more life-embracing pagan sets?

Jesus is not about changing God to accept us better or to atone for us, he was about changing our understanding of god, to allow us to accept that we always were saved even if we had not realized it and repented.

The story of the bible is one of greater inclusion as time progresses. We start with Abraham and his family and end with everyone included in the family of the lord. If one accepts Jesus then one must understand how he got to the teachings he gave. “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” as Matthew puts it. That reminder of what was really most important in Leviticus is crucial to understand the teachings of Jesus, I believe, and is what most fundamentalists miss in their twisting of his words.

160 Kid A  Jul 15, 2014 8:01:29pm
161 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 15, 2014 8:01:38pm

re: #101 Pie-onist Overlord

What an asstard.

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If a Mexican marine came across to the US border with the exact same arsenal, these idiots would be first to label him a terrorist.

162 andres  Jul 15, 2014 8:02:18pm

re: #157 Kid A

Agreed.

[Embedded content]

Don’t they remember that it was Justice Roberts that jumbled the Oath of Office? I don’t remember Roberts doing that bad of a job, but I may be wrong.

163 thedopefishlives  Jul 15, 2014 8:05:58pm

Mel Gibson in The Expendables 3? REALLY?!

164 Amory Blaine  Jul 15, 2014 8:06:20pm

Heh. Plate my mom did.

165 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 15, 2014 8:09:09pm

And so, it’s off to the Front Desk. Till later, good lizards.

166 blueraven  Jul 15, 2014 8:13:30pm

Hillary is on with Jon Stewart.

167 jaunte  Jul 15, 2014 8:14:16pm
168 Stanley Sea  Jul 15, 2014 8:15:26pm

re: #161 GlutenFreeJesus

If a Mexican marine came across to the US border with the exact same arsenal, these idiots would be first to label him a terrorist.

Ya, very inconsequential.

Saved in my image library.

Loaded all. The handgun in his driver’s side door pocket.

This Marine was trouble US or Mexico. Luckily the Mexican cops caught him.

169 Charles Johnson  Jul 15, 2014 8:20:45pm

Wow. Just wow. These are the GOP frontrunners for 2016.

170 iossarian  Jul 15, 2014 8:21:51pm

re: #167 jaunte

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WHERE IS ZOMBIE REAGAN OPTION

171 teleskiguy  Jul 15, 2014 8:23:14pm

Evening Lizards.

How about a slight detour from ugly xenophobia.

Law enforcement and a property owner had a nice little legal grey area test in Aurora, CO.

172 blueraven  Jul 15, 2014 8:24:27pm

re: #167 jaunte


OK that is just begging for one more name in that last empty spot.

Jesus? never mind…Democrat!
Saint Ronny?

173 iossarian  Jul 15, 2014 8:25:07pm

Drive-by: I have to devise an infographic to illustrate the amount of money that’s being spent annually on this thing. So I google the number ($2.2B) and what comes up?

Obama phones.

I can totally use that. “Your thing is like the CELL PHONES that OBAMA gives to BLACK PEOPLE”.

174 thedopefishlives  Jul 15, 2014 8:25:32pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

Wow. Just wow. These are the GOP frontrunners for 2016.

[Embedded image]

I don’t even see names. All I see is “herp derp” (R) in every box.

175 Stanley Sea  Jul 15, 2014 8:26:04pm

re: #172 blueraven

OK that is just begging for one more name in that last empty spot.

Jesus? never mind…Democrat!
Saint Ronny?

Where’s Mitt?

176 thedopefishlives  Jul 15, 2014 8:26:47pm

re: #175 Stanley Sea

Where’s Mitt?

He had his chance and he cocked it up. He showed his hand before peak derp was ready to support him.

177 iossarian  Jul 15, 2014 8:27:15pm

re: #174 thedopefishlives

I don’t even see names. All I see is “herp derp” (R) in every box.

It’s begging for a generic rewrite.

“Guy who thinks the gold standard is a smart idea”

“Guy who opposes Civil Rights”

“Black guy who doesn’t understand why other black guys vote Democratic”

etc.

178 Lidane  Jul 15, 2014 8:27:30pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

Obligatory:

Youtube Video

179 blueraven  Jul 15, 2014 8:29:57pm

re: #175 Stanley Sea

Where’s Mitt?

ha ha, Seriously…

John Bolton!

180 iossarian  Jul 15, 2014 8:31:39pm

re: #179 blueraven

ha ha, Seriously…

John Bolton!

Hahaha I didn’t even see John Bolton the first time. That’s one heck of a trial balloon right there.

181 teleskiguy  Jul 15, 2014 8:32:06pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

Wow. Just wow. These are the GOP frontrunners for 2016.

[Embedded image]

With a list like this the Democrats could put up Marion Barry as their nominee and probably still win a plurality of electoral votes.

Then again, I have to admit that Ted Cruz is a rather shrewd snake-oil salesman.

Ted Cruz would sell this door-to-door had he lived in the late 19th century.

182 iossarian  Jul 15, 2014 8:32:18pm

“Guy who has mustache and was rude to foreigners at the UN”

183 jaunte  Jul 15, 2014 8:33:04pm

re: #180 iossarian

Hahaha I didn’t even see John Bolton the first time. That’s one heck of a trial balloon right there.

No wonder he’s been paying for all those promoted tweets.

184 BongCrodny  Jul 15, 2014 8:39:51pm

re: #167 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Golly, they ALL look so awesome.

How could any well-informed voter even begin to contemplate such a decision?

185 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 16, 2014 12:54:02am

re: #79 ObserverArt

I hope that isn’t true. The big problem is the media GOP gives inordinate amounts of coverage Attention to those that scream in the most dramatic fashion. Everything now is about reality TV and that means in your face complainers making ugly faces and threatening.

I think if you could judge real numbers Election results, most American’s probably aren’t as cold, bigoted and ignorant and willing to run of kids in need.

186 De Kolta Chair  Jul 16, 2014 7:00:01am

I went to that same Triangle Y camp for a couple of summers. The first time, while playing capture the flag, I was bitten by a scorpion. I asked one of the counselors if I was going to die, and after looking at it he told me that it was similar to a wasp bite, and he was right. Btw, our side captured the flag!


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