Buffalo Hate Radio Rides the Derp Train to Fraudsville

Putative “News Radio” Station promotes debunked story from “Mad World News,” hilarity ensues
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It used to be that references to undocumented immigrants as “invaders” was reserved for the outermost fringes of the body politic.

Stormfront. Short wave. Nazi/Racist/Neo-Confederate bulletin boards. Infowars.
Now, because of an unprecedented humanitarian crisis, the right-wing freakout over “illegal” “invaders” has become commonplace. Neo-Nazi hate-speech is now mainstreamed.

Add to that the sudden appearance of underemployed, angry white folk, (whose immigrant ancestors came from somewhere), who have nothing better to do all day than to turn parts of the American desert into little clones of Afghanistan - complete with weapons and extralegal checkpoints.

Not to put too fine a point on it all, but what’s going on along the US-Mexican border is unprecedented - youngsters are crossing into the US en masse and rather than running from Border Patrol in order to get further into the US, they are surrendering immediately upon arrival, just like the Cubans do under our unusually generous “dry foot” policy.

(Hint: Just tell the wingnuts that these kids are from Cuba, and maybe they’ll treat them as human beings.)

Unsophisticated, poor families in places like Guatemala and Honduras - awful, violent, and dysfunctional places - are being tricked by human trafficking cartels to pay to send their kids to the US, where, they’re told, the kids will be able to claim asylum and stay forever. Of course, there’s no federal “DREAM” Act, but a 2008 law requires the government to grant any kid from a non-border country an asylum hearing.

These children and their families are being taken advantage of by con artists. They are the tired, the poor - the huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Tempest-tost wretched refuse, these children and their families are victims. Yet when they come here, our nativist right wing freaks out, hurling hateful invective not only at these Latino tweens, but at Obama, the liberals, and everyone else who doesn’t slap a Gadsen flag on their bumper and an eagle on their timeline.

It is a humanitarian crisis because these children come with nothing - have nothing - and because ours is a country of laws, we are not empowered simply to shove them back on a bus across the Mexico border. We have due process. We have laws. We have to detain them - humanely - while we process them all. That is how a 1st world country works, and that is what the law requires.

It’s gotten to the point where any school bus filled with brown people is suspect. An Arizona state legislator running for Congress grandstanded and hatefully declared that food and shelter for a bus-full of brown-skinned children isn’t compassionate, but an “abrogation of the rule of law”.

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As it turns out, it wasn’t a bus-full of undocumented migrants, but a bus-full of Arizonan kids on their way to YMCA camp. Seriously.

Kids are dying. The border patrol is a law enforcement agency - not a refugee non-profit. The government is unprepared to deal with something like this because of its massive scale and the unprecedented nature of what’s going on. Washington alternates between grandstanding and dithering.

By treating these kids as “invaders” and an “army”, you dehumanize them as effectively as any World War II-era cartoon of a bespectacled, slanty-eyed Tojo. By focusing on blaming Obama rather than trying to solve a legal and humanitarian crisis, the right wing contributes not only to the further erosion of whatever was left of its Latino support, but exposes itself for the craven practitioner of racialist, nativist politics that it’s become in recent years.

At the local forefront of this racial animus is hate radio - in Buffalo, NY, it’s Entercom’s WBEN, led by right-wing kook operations director Tim Wenger.

Sometime on Tuesday, this appeared at WBEN’s nonsense-strewn Facebook page:
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First of all, it links to “Gateway Pundit”, who is widely regarded by anyone with a brain to be one of the stupidest people in the right-wing blogosphere. Not just wrong - stupid. Here, he links to something called “Mad World News”, which I’ve never heard of, and which certainly doesn’t seem like a completely credible source.

Because it’s not. I won’t link to either one, but if you go to “Mad World News”, it seems that some nosy hausfrau encountered a busload of brown-skinned people getting off a school bus at a Wal-Mart in rural North Carolina. She tried to communicate with them, but these durn Messikinz didn’t speak any English. So, she simply leaped to the conclusion that, because one of them had managed to communicate with her that they were recent arrivals to America, that they must be “illegals”, and not only that, but they were paying for their Wal-Mart goodies with “EBT cards”, or welfare handouts.

Except not a word of it was true, and the tea party says so.

They weren’t “illegals”, but legal guest-worker migrant farmworkers; people who had valid visas to enter the US and perform all the horrible manual farm labor that you consider to be beneath you.

They weren’t paying with welfare cards. Their wages are paid to debit cards, which they used to buy items for themselves at Wal-Mart in rural North Carolina.

They weren’t on a government bus, but were instead being transported by their employer to the Wal-Mart for a shopping trip.

But, you know, brown people on a bus using plastic at a Wal-Mart. Because right wingers instinctively think the worst of everyone and everything, these had to be (what else?) “illegal” “invaders” spending welfare EBT cards thanks to Obama inviting them to the US.

So long as the tea party remains “diligent” when they really mean “vigilant”, we’ll all be a little safer and don’t forget your gun.

Now, despite that this is completely untrue, having been factually debunked by WBEN’s own partisan allies, this radio station continues to perpetrate this fraud on its listenership by refusing to delete or update the post to point out that it’s a lie. Rather than be “accurate” as a putative “news” entity, WBEN sides instead with the people who would “go to war” against these kids.

In the meantime, the administration and Democrats will try to find a humane and legal solution to this problem while the Republicans continue to antagonize Latino voters and Millenials. In the meantime, sane and rational people will call out wildly horrible local hate radio for the embarrassment it is.

Not every problem is one that needs to be solved with hatred and guns.

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178 comments
1 lawhawk  Jul 16, 2014 11:00:30am

Outstanding post on the derpalanche.

2 wrenchwench  Jul 16, 2014 11:02:18am

Bravo.

Every old border myth and legend is being dusted off and thrust back into the derposphere. Soon we’ll have Sharron Angle back with her ‘Asian-looking Latinos’ and I guess Steve King and the Cantaloup Calves haven’t really gone away yet.

3 Mattand  Jul 16, 2014 11:02:21am

I wish the Tea Baggers and Republicans would just already fucking start the civil war they’ve been dying to fight since Scary Black Muslim Atheist Communist Imperialist Man™ was legally elected President.

The sooner these fucking morons get their asses kicked like their slave-holding Confederate heroes, the sooner the rest of us living in reality can get back to trying to do right by the US.

4 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 11:03:11am

This bogus video is still being spammed all over tcot by the usual suspects.

5 KiTA  Jul 16, 2014 11:08:08am

A little off topic, but my friends in Eve Online shared this with me:

bears: brooks falls - brown bear & salmon cam

It’s not Peregrine Falcon but it’s interesting. :)

6 Bulworth  Jul 16, 2014 11:08:27am

Hurr hurr were the real compassionate Americans because we want them to go home and protect are laws!!!!11

7 dog philosopher  Jul 16, 2014 11:09:20am

gamaliel ratsey

a gentleman turned highwayman of the elizabethan era

once made a cambridge scholar give an oration while being robbed. lectured a company of actors on the practice of their art after relieveing them of their valuables such as they were

8 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 16, 2014 11:09:49am

Those dudes who got off the bus and shopped at Wal-mart were spending their own hard earned cash. Nary an ‘entitlement’ to be seen.

9 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 11:10:20am

“…More than 50 people from across Michigan turned out to protest the possibility that a Vassar facility could house Central American children and teens who have fled into the country.”
mlive.com

SEAL BORDER!!!

10 dog philosopher  Jul 16, 2014 11:11:45am

“this is all obama’s fault”

“they have diseases and we should put them in sealed cars and send them back to mexico”

“ok ok listen we are really very compassionate, see”

“hmmm getting negative traction on this… ok, how about this: they are all members of criminal gangs!”

what’s next?

11 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 16, 2014 11:12:12am

This will not end well.

The RWNJs are crazier than any gang of lefty moonbats ever thought about being (which is saying a lot), there are a lot more of them, they worship firearms and they are heavily armed, and they have billions of dollars worth of media propaganda inciting them 24 hours a day. Add to this the support of certain elected officials and a major political party and you have a prescription for disaster.

I don’t know what form it will take but something truly terrible is going to happen. You get fire when you put a match to tinder and that is what we have here.

12 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 11:12:32am

re: #9 jaunte

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SEAL BORDER!!!

There’s a border in Michigan, why don’t they go and seal that one.

CANADIANS: WE DON’T WANT YOUR TEABAGGERS IN OUR COUNTRY!!!

13 Targetpractice  Jul 16, 2014 11:13:37am

re: #8 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Those dudes who got off the bus and shopped at Wal-mart were spending their own hard earned cash. Nary an ‘entitlement’ to be seen.

According to most of the wingnuts I’ve talked to, those migrant farmworkers are “STEALIN’ OUR JOBS!!!” and should be kicked out so legal Americans can work the jobs for good wages…except Alabama already tried that and ended up with millions of dollars of produce rotting on the vine.

It should be noted that they always declare, when presented with the reality that prices would have to go up a great deal to cover the wages it would take to get your average worker to do these jobs competently, that they’d gladly pay those prices if it meant getting the “illegals” out. I note that because they’re the same jackholes who moan incessantly about how prices keep going up and blaming the President for them.

14 Dr. Matt  Jul 16, 2014 11:13:52am

Don’t these derptards have jobs?

15 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 11:14:39am
16 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 11:15:38am

re: #12 Pie-onist Overlord

There’s a border in Michigan, why don’t they go and seal that one.

CANADIANS: WE DON’T WANT YOUR TEABAGGERS IN OUR COUNTRY!!!

That’s how we ended up with Bieber and Cruz…

17 Bulworth  Jul 16, 2014 11:15:54am

re:
#15

Hurr hurr confirmed. FACT.

18 Targetpractice  Jul 16, 2014 11:16:06am

re: #11 Shiplord Kirel

This will not end well.

The RWNJs are crazier than any gang of lefty moonbats ever thought about being (which is saying a lot), there are a lot more of them, they worship firearms and they are heavily armed, and they have billions of dollars worth of media propaganda inciting them 24 hours a day. Add to this the support of certain elected officials and a major political party and you have a prescription for disaster.

I don’t know what form it will take but something truly terrible is going to happen. You get fire when you put a match to tinder and that is what we have here.

That was my first thought as well, it’s almost inevitable with the militia nutters going down to the border now that something’s gonna happen. Kids shot, or an armed standoff with one of the cartels, or even Border Patrol agents shot. Doesn’t help when you have sheriffs like the jackass on display yesterday who are instigating riots based upon rumors and speculation.

19 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 11:16:29am

re: #14 Dr. Matt

Most of them look retirement age, or like students on summer break.

20 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 11:19:25am

re: #14 Dr. Matt

Don’t these derptards have jobs?

21 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 16, 2014 11:20:36am

re: #14 Dr. Matt

Don’t these derptards have jobs?

They’re like the mob of loafers who used to harass the only Lubbock abortion clinic (the facility has now closed because of the new derp law). About 50 of them would show up every day before opening and wave signs, yell abuse at the staff and security guards, and sometimes dance in the street like drunken organ grinder’s monkeys. The morning crowd would drift away over the hours and be replaced by an afternoon contingent. For some reason, Catholic nuts seemed to predominate in the morning while fundies, especially the doofus “pastors,” were more active in the afternoon. This went on every business day for years.

22 Targetpractice  Jul 16, 2014 11:20:51am

re: #20 Pie-onist Overlord

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Weren’t there some of the “militia” nutters who were declaring they were ready to quit their jobs to “protect” the border?

23 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 16, 2014 11:28:07am

re: #21 Shiplord Kirel

There’s a planned parenthood where I used to live that had protesters every time I drove by including people parading their handicapped kids and little kids around. It was disgusting IMO.

24 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 11:30:23am
25 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 11:31:15am

re: #9 jaunte

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SEAL BORDER!!!

Click through the photos here.

Those protesters in Vasser, Michigan, had guns.

26 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 11:31:43am
27 brennant  Jul 16, 2014 11:33:21am

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Click through the photos here.

Those protesters in Vasser, Michigan, had guns.

That is frightening. Why are they armed?

28 ObserverArt  Jul 16, 2014 11:33:58am

Link

This bit quoted from the OT probably wouldn’t work either. With the mood the angry American White Folk are in right now, they might call for that policy to be changed too.

29 Mattand  Jul 16, 2014 11:34:38am

re: #11 Shiplord Kirel

re: #18 Targetpractice

Yeah, we are heading down a very bad path right now. Anecdotally, I get told I’m being a paranoid loon or get MBF’d whenever I point out how this insanity is literally baked into Republican policy; state and national.

The MBF crap really sets me on edge. When presented with that, I usually ask for an example of when the Dems have been this fucking nuts over the last 40 years.

I usually get the standard “Well Democrats were against slavery, so there!” dopey response.

30 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 11:35:12am

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Click through the photos here.

Those protesters in Vasser, Michigan, had guns.

Look at the tattoos running up and down that girl’s legs. Such fashion sense.

31 wrenchwench  Jul 16, 2014 11:35:22am

re: #28 ObserverArt

Link

This bit quoted from the OT probably wouldn’t work either. With the mood the angry American White Folk are in right now, they might call for that policy to be changed too.

You’d have to get it past Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, though.

32 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 11:36:02am

re: #27 brennant

That is frightening. Why are they armed?

Those little children are just too scary.

33 Decatur Deb  Jul 16, 2014 11:36:12am

re: #2 wrenchwench

Bravo.

Every old border myth and legend is being dusted off and thrust back into the derposphere. Soon we’ll have Sharron Angle back with her ‘Asian-looking Latinos’ and I guess Steve King and the Cantaloup Calves haven’t really gone away yet.

Ape-like Irishmen Mexicans.

thesocietypages.org

34 Timothy Watson  Jul 16, 2014 11:37:29am

re: #30 Pie-onist Overlord

Look at the tattoos running up and down that girl’s legs. Such fashion sense.

I’ll take White Trash for 2,000, Alex.

35 brennant  Jul 16, 2014 11:37:56am

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those little children are just too scary.

The idea that you have to strap on a firearm to protest something in this country is a very dark path indeed.

36 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 11:38:30am

re: #30 Pie-onist Overlord

Look at the tattoos running up and down that girl’s legs. Such fashion sense.

37 wrenchwench  Jul 16, 2014 11:39:22am

re: #34 Timothy Watson

I’ll take White Trash for 2,000, Alex.

People are not trash.

38 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 11:40:09am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and she’s on FB:
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39 wrenchwench  Jul 16, 2014 11:40:15am

re: #37 wrenchwench

People are not trash.

Pat Buchanan comes pretty close, though.

40 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 11:40:29am

Here are the Michigan protesters praying for God to smite the little brown children.

41 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 11:40:40am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

You would think people in Michigan would feel somewhat insulated from people coming over the southern border.

42 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 11:41:03am

Cowardice.

43 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 11:41:17am
44 Targetpractice  Jul 16, 2014 11:42:29am

re: #43 Charles Johnson

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We’ve been approaching for ages now. Every time we think we’ve about to plunge over the edge, they find a new way to amaze us.

45 ObserverArt  Jul 16, 2014 11:42:39am

re: #4 Pie-onist Overlord

This bogus video is still being spammed all over tcot by the usual suspects.

RIGHT OR WRONG, YOU’LL HAVE TO PRY THAT VIDEO FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS LIBTARDS!!!

46 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 11:43:18am

re: #41 jaunte

You would think people in Michigan would feel somewhat insulated from people coming over the southern border.

Vassar is in the Thumb area, close to where Terry Nichols is from.

47 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 11:43:24am

The derpularity is fractal.

48 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 11:44:14am

Kim is really proud of herself.

49 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 11:44:59am

Vassar MI:

The racial makeup of the city was 87.4% White, 8.8% African American, 0.4% Native American, 0.1% Asian, 1.1% from other races, and 2.2% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 3.0% of the population.
en.wikipedia.org

INVASION!!!

50 ObserverArt  Jul 16, 2014 11:45:05am

re: #31 wrenchwench

You’d have to get it past Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, though.

They’d be grandfathered in most likely. Or, there could be a wingnut test for wingnut viability. If you spout off all the needed crazy talk and can come off like Cruz or someone like Palin then you are in.

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51 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 11:45:28am

If this is how you think you should support Israel - well, I just don’t know what to say.

52 Targetpractice  Jul 16, 2014 11:45:35am

I really wonder how many of the far-right and fascist groups over in Europe are looking at the news reports of these yahoos and cheering them on?

53 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 11:45:43am

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kim is really proud of herself.
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Funny that she didn’t mention the distinctive body art on her lower extremities.

54 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 11:46:22am
55 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 11:46:59am

*HURLS DESK OUT WINDOW*

56 RadicalModerate  Jul 16, 2014 11:47:18am

Three stories today exhibiting the outright racist nationalism that has become a core value of the Republican party.
The one here, and we get these two as well:

37 Percent Of Mississippi GOPers Would Back Confederates In Civil War

Top Georgia Officials Are Going After Black Leaders Who Organized Voters

57 Bulworth  Jul 16, 2014 11:47:33am

re:
#48

Hurr hurr and I haz the true US flag in mah avi!

58 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 11:48:14am

re: #53 Pie-onist Overlord

Funny that she didn’t mention the distinctive body art on her lower extremities.

she does, sort of…

59 Bulworth  Jul 16, 2014 11:48:26am

re:
#55

FACT BUT ACCURATE!!!!!

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60 Targetpractice  Jul 16, 2014 11:48:29am

re: #55 Pie-onist Overlord

*HURLS DESK OUT WINDOW*

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Brings back memories of the freakout that happened when word got around that there was a (IIRC) soccer field at Gitmo.

61 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 11:49:06am
62 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 11:49:38am

re: #56 RadicalModerate

Three stories today exhibiting the outright racist nationalism that has become a core value of the Republican party.
The one here, and we get these two as well:

37 Percent Of Mississippi GOPers Would Back Confederates In Civil War

Top Georgia Officials Are Going After Black Leaders Who Organized Voters

HURR HURR TEH DEMOCRATS WAS TEH ORIGINAL RACISTS U LIBTARD!!!!! GOP CAN NEVER EVER BE TEH RACIST BECAUSE TEH DEMS HAZ ALL TEH RACIST COOTIES!!!!!!

63 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 16, 2014 11:51:00am

Bug-A-Salt.

Solve your fly problem once and for all with the salt firing shotgun. The shotgun works with regular table salt and holds up to 50 rounds so you can decimate every pesky house fly in one murderous evening. It also works great for violently seasoning your food!

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Hilarious sound effects.
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64 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 11:51:07am

re: #55 Pie-onist Overlord

The keenest injustice felt by these folks is that someone they think of as beneath them would get anything good.

65 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 11:51:30am

What’s with the 13-star Betsy Ross US flags? Is this some new far right meme?

66 Decatur Deb  Jul 16, 2014 11:52:28am

re: #56 RadicalModerate

Three stories today exhibiting the outright racist nationalism that has become a core value of the Republican party.
The one here, and we get these two as well:

37 Percent Of Mississippi GOPers Would Back Confederates In Civil War

Top Georgia Officials Are Going After Black Leaders Who Organized Voters

“Why I Am a Second Amendment Alabama Liberal, Part XXXIV.”

67 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 11:52:40am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

It has a Roman numeral 2 in the middle, which apparently stands for the Second Revolution, which is on the way once the three percenters can get out of their bunkers.

68 Shazam  Jul 16, 2014 11:52:58am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

They don’t recognize any of the other states as existing. Michigan, one of the original thirteen colonies, is that top left star.

69 ObserverArt  Jul 16, 2014 11:53:07am

re: #19 jaunte

Most of them look retirement age, or like students on summer break.

Many of those images remind me of either the people that didn’t want to see Jim Crow eliminated in the early 60s or were in support of the Viet Nam War and hated the Hippies in the late 60s. Really the big difference is the images are all in color now. The hate is all the same. The faces full of rage, all the same.

70 piratedan  Jul 16, 2014 11:53:28am

re: #56 RadicalModerate

paged the 2nd link already, but it was during the dead zone of the blog

71 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 11:53:40am

Kim also loves Tom Wassa.
From his website:

Over the last decade, about half a million people have moved out of Michigan, taking billions of dollars of Michigan’s economy and tax dollars with them. If we don’t prepare for this shortfall, the state will have to aggressively raise taxes on fewer residences in order to continue to pay for governmental services. As your State Representative, I would focus on governmental reforms that would prevent tax increases and continue governmental services.
I know that Michigan can become strong economically, but only if we change our behaviors that have weakened us. I know that over regulating and taxing has created an environment that has driven away industry that was once the foundation of Michigan’s economy.
“People should enjoy the benefits of their hard work, instead of paying for the incompetence of government.”
My goal is to represent the people of the 84th first and foremost.

My bold: Hey Tom, how about asking why that half a million people left Michigan?

72 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 11:53:46am

re: #67 jaunte

It has a Roman numeral 2 in the middle, which apparently stands for the Second Revolution, which is on the way once the three percenters can get out of their bunkers.

News flash for the Threepers: the 2nd American Revolution was already fought 150 years ago. You lost.

74 Decatur Deb  Jul 16, 2014 11:54:07am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

What’s with the 13-star Betsy Ross US flags? Is this some new far right meme?

They have adopted it with a “II” or “III” inside the jack. They stand variably for “Civil War II” or “Three Percenter”.

76 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 11:55:17am
Murray and other protesters say the migrant children do not legally qualify for refugee status, and some of them proposed last week at an informational meeting that the children should be housed in unused prisons and a minefield be set up along the border.

“We’re not against kids,” Murray said. “We have sympathy for the kids being used and exploited by the feds.”

Doesn’t compute.

77 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 11:55:25am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

What’s with the 13-star Betsy Ross US flags? Is this some new far right meme?

It’s a Tea Party thing. Something about going back to when Muricans were real Mericans, or Founding Fathers, or something something.
Just, SHUT UP!

78 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 11:55:28am

Ted Nugent would crap his pants again to stay out this teabag war.

79 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 11:55:56am
80 Shazam  Jul 16, 2014 11:56:17am

re: #75 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s true, he’s fighting the freedoms of a lot of people.

81 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 11:56:56am

re: #75 Pie-onist Overlord

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He’s squatting a bit there. Is he dumping another load in his pants?

82 Targetpractice  Jul 16, 2014 11:57:18am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

What’s with the 13-star Betsy Ross US flags? Is this some new far right meme?

Somehow, I don’t think any of those intellectual titans stopped to consider that, at the time that flag flew over this nation, there were no “illegal immigrants.” If you made it to America alive and you were willing to work hard to earn your keep, you were welcome.

83 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 11:57:19am
84 Timothy Watson  Jul 16, 2014 11:57:55am

re: #76 jaunte

Doesn’t compute.

So, pretty much the Golden Dawn’s solution to border security and immigration?

85 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 11:58:17am

re: #84 Timothy Watson

Classical influences.

86 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 11:58:41am

re: #83 jaunte

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What’s in that water bottle??!!??? It could be ANYTHING!!!11!!!

87 RadicalModerate  Jul 16, 2014 11:59:39am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

What’s with the 13-star Betsy Ross US flags? Is this some new far right meme?

Are you talking about the ones like these?

They have those, where the roman numeral II stands for a second US revolution, and there is the ones with the roman numeral III which is representative of the 3% of people who participated in the American Revolutionary War. They blatantly advertise that they want to overthrow the current US government, with violence being an acceptable tactic.

88 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 12:00:22pm

Yikes.

89 ObserverArt  Jul 16, 2014 12:00:28pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

What’s with the 13-star Betsy Ross US flags? Is this some new far right meme?

Let’s all go back to a better time…less taxes…less Illegals…more slaves!!!

90 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 16, 2014 12:02:02pm

It just occurred to me that the militias might try to use improvised land mines along the border or in other places where “ill-eagles” might be encountered. They would want to start shooting, of course, but even they are aware that it would attract the attention of law enforcement, if not the military.

91 Targetpractice  Jul 16, 2014 12:03:03pm

re: #87 RadicalModerate

Are you talking about the ones like these?[Embedded image]

They have those, where the roman numeral II stands for a second US revolution, and there is the ones with the roman numeral III which is representative of the 3% of people who participated in the American Revolutionary War. They blatantly advertise that they want to overthrow the current US government, with violence being an acceptable tactic.

Yes, because there’s absolutely nothing wrong with openly promoting sedition.

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92 brennant  Jul 16, 2014 12:03:09pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Yikes.

I am starting to think we are in serious trouble.

93 Decatur Deb  Jul 16, 2014 12:03:55pm

re: #90 Shiplord Kirel

It just occurred to me that the militias might try to use improvised land mines. They would want to start shooting, of course, but even they are aware that it would attract the attention of law enforcement, if not the military.

Not worried about Bubbatronics LLC playing with HE. We’d be ahead on points.

94 GeneJockey  Jul 16, 2014 12:04:20pm

re: #29 Mattand

Yeah, we are heading down a very bad path right now. Anecdotally, I get told I’m being a paranoid loon or get MBF’d whenever I point out how this insanity is literally baked into Republican policy; state and national.

The MBF crap really sets me on edge. When presented with that, I usually ask for an example of when the Dems have been this fucking nuts over the last 40 years.

I usually get the standard “Well Democrats were against slavery, so there!” dopey response.

Yeah. You know what I got? “It’s all the bashers on the right and left that are the problem!” Why? Because it’s easier, doesn’t require any actual thought.

In a way, knee-jerk MBFism is similar to knee-jerk Conservatism. That is, modern Conservatism is no longer a coherent philosophy, but rather simply hardline, fight-to-the-death opposition to anything they think Liberals, and especially Obama believe. They oppose their own recent positions, as soon as Obama agrees with them, for Christ’s sake! It requires no thought, just a mega dose of confirmation bias.

Similarly, the MBFers start from the presumption that ‘Both Sides Do It’ and never spend any time analyzing whether they really do. And the confirmation bias runs deep there, too. For example, some folks on the Left compared Bush to Hitler. Mostly fringe types, nobody higher up in the Democratic ranks, but that’s deemed equivalent to the daily comparisons of Obama to Hitler that you see all over the Wingnuttia and even Congressmen.

95 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 16, 2014 12:04:33pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

What’s with the 13-star Betsy Ross US flags? Is this some new far right meme?

They probably need to go back to the Revolution - before that pesky Constitution thing that allows for elections, due process, a free press and all that other junk that the liberals abuse to destroy America.
///

96 Mike Lamb  Jul 16, 2014 12:05:20pm

re: #30 Pie-onist Overlord

Look at the tattoos running up and down that girl’s legs. Such fashion sense.

She’s an MS-13 plant!!

97 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 16, 2014 12:05:30pm

re: #75 Pie-onist Overlord

[Embedded content]

Turd wouldn’t fight for his country when he had a real chance, there’s no way he’d do it now in his old age. He knows that, of course.

98 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 12:06:29pm
99 Dr. Matt  Jul 16, 2014 12:06:29pm

Old, out-of-shape, fat angry men want to start “revolution”…..amusing.

100 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 12:08:10pm

Meanwhile, in Dudebronnia,

101 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 16, 2014 12:08:37pm

re: #93 Decatur Deb

Not worried about Bubbatronics LLC playing with HE. We’d be ahead on points.

We’d no doubt see some gruesome work accidents, but Alex Jones et al would just chalk those up to false flag ops and the Una-Bubbas would keep trying until one of them got it more or less right.

102 Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 16, 2014 12:08:41pm

Where is Gus? I need to see a “Seal Border” And don’t try to fool me with sea lions.

103 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 12:09:34pm

re: #90 Shiplord Kirel

It just occurred to me that the militias might try to use improvised land mines along the border or in other places where “ill-eagles” might be encountered. They would want to start shooting, of course, but even they are aware that it would attract the attention of law enforcement, if not the military.

More likely, they would attract the attention of another militia group that will shoot first and ask questions later…

104 Buffalopundit  Jul 16, 2014 12:10:08pm

re: #1 lawhawk

Thanks!

105 Bulworth  Jul 16, 2014 12:10:21pm

re:
#87

Because they’re all about The Law and Law & Order.

/

106 ObserverArt  Jul 16, 2014 12:10:39pm

We need a time machine to send them all back to 1776 or so.

But don’t tell them the machine only works one way… going back in time. There is no bringing them back.

Win! Win!

Uh oh…I am getting some messages from 1776. Oh my, it’s from George Washington. He’s really pissed off and asking what the fucking hell did he do to deserve this pack of idiots being dumped on him at Valley Forge. He claims they are all a bunch of play-acting wankers.

107 Targetpractice  Jul 16, 2014 12:11:00pm

re: #99 Dr. Matt

Old, out-of-shape, fat angry men want to start “revolution”…..amusing.

It’s not them I worry about, so much as those that they’re poisoning with this shit. The disaffected youths and malcontents who are conned into believing their lives are shit because of the actions of “others” and the only way to ensure a better life for themselves or the ones they love is to “take up arms.”

108 Bulworth  Jul 16, 2014 12:11:17pm

re:
#100

The Intercept has its finger on the pulse of the vital issues of the day. /

109 Dr. Matt  Jul 16, 2014 12:11:38pm

Everyone loves seals…..

Seal

110 Stanley Sea  Jul 16, 2014 12:11:51pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

What’s with the 13-star Betsy Ross US flags? Is this some new far right meme?

I remember first seeing them waving at then Senator Scott Brown’s victory party.

111 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 16, 2014 12:12:26pm

If only those kids were all carrying handguns, and just wanted to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights! The NRA Adopt-an-Armed-Illegal-Child program would appear overnight…

112 Targetpractice  Jul 16, 2014 12:12:30pm

re: #109 Dr. Matt

Everyone loves seals…..

Seal

Warranty void if seal is broken.

//

113 Bulworth  Jul 16, 2014 12:12:39pm

re:
#98

They lost the Revolution 50 years ago, too.

And they’re not fairing so well in the human rights revolution happening now either.

114 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 12:12:54pm
Vassar MI:
The racial makeup of the city was 87.4% White, 8.8% African American, 0.4% Native American, 0.1% Asian, 1.1% from other races, and 2.2% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 3.0% of the population.

By contrast, I’m posting from Houston, which has a 44% Hispanic population, and an estimated 400,000 undocumented immigrants (most of whom are likely busy working at low paid jobs).
The panic in Vassar is absurd.

115 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 16, 2014 12:13:01pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

It’s not them I worry about, so much as those that they’re poisoning with this shit. The disaffected youths and malcontents who are conned into believing their lives are shit because of the actions of “others” and the only way to ensure a better life for themselves or the ones they love is to “take up arms.”

And that they are spreading the notion that the government we are living under was somehow illegally or unfairly elected. Do they have any evidence beyond a lingering distrust of Obama’s background?

Do they not understand that revolution against a freely and fairly elected government is an act of treason against the US electorate?

Rhetorical questions, Of course they don’t…

116 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 16, 2014 12:13:03pm

re: #102 Iwouldprefernotto

Where is Gus? I need to see a “Seal Border” And don’t try to fool me with sea lions.

Will our nirth certifikat seal do? (It is an elephant seal, not a walrus)

117 Timothy Watson  Jul 16, 2014 12:13:15pm

Apologies for the OT, but this was interesting to me:

Manuel Noriega Sues Activision Over ‘Call of Duty: Black Ops II’

118 RadicalModerate  Jul 16, 2014 12:13:18pm

France just called.

They want their Statue of Liberty back.

119 Gus  Jul 16, 2014 12:13:55pm

re: #102 Iwouldprefernotto

Where is Gus? I need to see a “Seal Border” And don’t try to fool me with sea lions.

I’m here. Just watching.

120 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 16, 2014 12:13:56pm

re: #118 RadicalModerate

France just called.

They want their Statue of Liberty back.

Good, she might be a disease-carrying gang member.

121 Decatur Deb  Jul 16, 2014 12:14:22pm

re: #110 Stanley Sea

I remember first seeing them waving at then Senator Scott Brown’s victory party.

The “III” version is called the ‘Nyland Flag” after its seamstress. It’s largely the product of the Vanderboegh faction of Threepers, who have been embroiled in a ‘trademark’ conflict with other nutcases.

122 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 12:15:13pm

*RUNS OUTSIDE, GRABS DESK FROM SIDEWALK, DRAGS IT BACK IN TO HURL OUT THE WINDOW!*

123 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 12:15:32pm

lolwut???

I suppose the Benghazi twibbon is a major clue that this person makes no sense.

124 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 12:15:57pm

They just keep adding those little “details” to this bogus meme.

125 allegro  Jul 16, 2014 12:16:33pm

re: #97 Shiplord Kirel

Turd wouldn’t fight for his country when he had a real chance, there’s no way he’d do it now in his old age. He knows that, of course.

He really wants to be a general though and yell ‘charge!’ while staying safely behind the lines himself. He’s just too important to sacrifice, you see.

126 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 12:16:42pm

re: #122 Pie-onist Overlord

Cabanas? A donde?

127 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 12:16:58pm

re: #122 Pie-onist Overlord

*RUNS OUTSIDE, GRABS DESK FROM SIDEWALK, DRAGS IT BACK IN TO HURL OUT THE WINDOW!*

[Embedded content]

heh, Todd should read some of the Trip Adviser reviews to see what people think about concierge service there.

128 wrenchwench  Jul 16, 2014 12:17:11pm

The law says the kids from Central America are entitled to a hearing in an Immigration Court.

ENFORCE THE LAW!!!

129 Dr. Matt  Jul 16, 2014 12:17:27pm

re: #117 Timothy Watson

Apologies for the OT, but this was interesting to me:

Manuel Noriega Sues Activision Over ‘Call of Duty: Black Ops II’

Good idea. The fucking lag on that game sucks. It needs dedicated servers.

Oh, and that target finder option is for shit…..sue them!

130 Mike Lamb  Jul 16, 2014 12:18:17pm

re: #124 Pie-onist Overlord

They just keep adding those little “details” to this bogus meme.

I really want to see how far they can take it. In some dark recess of their addle-pated conservative brain, they have to be thinking “How ridiculous can I make this story before they’ll even consider questioning it?”

131 Romantic Heretic  Jul 16, 2014 12:18:32pm

re: #12 Pie-onist Overlord

There’s a border in Michigan, why don’t they go and seal that one.

CANADIANS: WE DON’T WANT YOUR TEABAGGERS IN OUR COUNTRY!!!

Unfortunately, they are currently running the place.

132 Targetpractice  Jul 16, 2014 12:19:16pm

re: #128 wrenchwench

The law says the kids from Central America are entitled to a hearing in an immigration Court.

ENFORCE THE LAW!!!

“Obama broke the law to invite them here, he can break it again to send them back!!!”

I shit you not, that’s what I’ve basically been hearing since last week.

133 Mike Lamb  Jul 16, 2014 12:19:31pm

re: #128 wrenchwench

The law says the kids from Central America are entitled to a hearing in an immigration Court.

ENFORCE THE LAW!!!

But citizens don’t get no stinkin’ tax payer subsidized attorney, why should those sickly birds get one?

134 ObserverArt  Jul 16, 2014 12:19:45pm

re: #122 Pie-onist Overlord

*RUNS OUTSIDE, GRABS DESK FROM SIDEWALK, DRAGS IT BACK IN TO HURL OUT THE WINDOW!*

[Embedded content]

Your desk budget is off-the-clock!

: )

135 Gus  Jul 16, 2014 12:20:29pm

re: #100 Pie-onist Overlord

Meanwhile, in Dudebronnia,

[Embedded content]

Nope.

136 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 12:20:35pm

“Abandoned motel I wouldn’t be caught dead at” = “luxury concierge-laden mega-million dollar resort” if immigrant chldren get to stay there.

137 Gus  Jul 16, 2014 12:21:21pm

“Here’s your sandwich and Pepsi.”

Concierge service.

138 Targetpractice  Jul 16, 2014 12:22:12pm

re: #137 Gus

“Here’s your sandwich and Pepsi.”

Concierge service.

PEPSI?! Are they too good for water?!

139 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 16, 2014 12:22:13pm

re: #137 Gus

“Here’s your sandwich and Pepsi.”

Concierge service.

They don’t deserve Pepsi! Just tap water!!!

140 Gus  Jul 16, 2014 12:23:15pm

re: #139 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They don’t deserve Pepsi! Just tap water!!!

Well water like the kind you have to pump yourself in Amish country, PA.

141 Decatur Deb  Jul 16, 2014 12:23:18pm

re: #139 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They don’t deserve Pepsi! Just tap water!!!

“No Pepsi, Coke.”

142 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 12:23:24pm
143 Romantic Heretic  Jul 16, 2014 12:23:42pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Click through the photos here.

Those protesters in Vasser, Michigan, had guns.

My thought when I was the woman in the first photo was, “My God, woman! See a doctor. Your legs are moldy!”

144 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 12:23:43pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

“No Pepsi, Coke.”

Dr. Pepper

145 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 12:24:32pm
146 Dr. Matt  Jul 16, 2014 12:24:52pm
147 ObserverArt  Jul 16, 2014 12:25:19pm

re: #140 Gus

Well water like the kind you have to pump yourself in Amish country, PA.

No…water from wells in and around fracking locations. We can’t coddle these ill eagles.

/

148 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 12:26:14pm

re: #147 ObserverArt

No…water from wells in and around fracking locations. We can’t coddle these ill eagles.

/

FREEDOM INDUSTRIES treated water! It tastes like FREEDOM!

149 Decatur Deb  Jul 16, 2014 12:26:23pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

So the judge says they’re not killing enough? Need to hire some Texas consultants.

150 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 16, 2014 12:26:59pm

re: #142 Pie-onist Overlord

From the Trip Advisor reviews:

“The rooms were unclean. We told the manager about it, but he did not seem to care. I would never stay here again, The staff were also not very helpful. I should have known better - when we called to make a reservation, the phone rang at least 30 times.”

Probably all a bunch of wetbacks.

/

151 Mike Lamb  Jul 16, 2014 12:28:09pm

re: #144 Pie-onist Overlord

Dr. Pepper

Dr. Pepper? Who are these people, the Duke of San Salvador? Mr. Pibb and RC Cola…

152 Gus  Jul 16, 2014 12:28:41pm

Flat Rite-Aid orange soda. Warm.

153 lawhawk  Jul 16, 2014 12:28:56pm

He didn’t invite them in, and laws passed before he took office require hearings be held. Bad folks south of the border are taking advantage of these people, and they’re sending their kids in search of a better life to the US in the hope that the claims are true (they’re not).

Republican lawmakers have been especially critical of the Obama administration’s 2012 change in deportation policy toward young undocumented immigrants. Meanwhile, the administration has pushed back, saying people who enter the country illegally now would not benefit from that policy or any provision of a Senate-endorsed overhaul bill that is currently stalled in Congress.

Some argue that Central Americans are taking advantage of a loophole in a 2008 law passed by President George W. Bush, intended to protect victims of human trafficking.

The law, which dates back to the mid-1990s, requires that minors from countries other than Mexico and Canada be given an immigration hearing to determine if they apply for asylum.

Those children are typically transferred to the Health and Human Services department, which then tries to find a parent or sponsor in the U.S. to care for them until their immigration cases are resolved.

It can sometimes take years for the cases to be resolved, and undocumented children can enter the public school system and receive some public assistance in the meantime.

Pretty much the right wingers and threepers and all the rest of the fringe are going bonkers in places where they have zero contact with these kids who are coming here essentially to seek asylum from the atrocious conditions in places like Guatemala or Honduras, where the crime rates would shock even these nuts, and having a gun (let alone armed bodyguards) is no guarantor of safety.

154 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 12:29:08pm
155 Romantic Heretic  Jul 16, 2014 12:29:19pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Showed this to my wife. Her remark?

“They might be surprised at who God decides to smite.”

156 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 12:30:21pm
157 dog philosopher  Jul 16, 2014 12:30:43pm

we should pressure boehner to introduce a bill that would carry out this sealing the border activity his constituents desire so much

oh wait, i know - obama could seal the border just by wishing it, no additional funds needed amirite?

158 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 12:31:12pm

What TheHill calls “entitlement programs”: Medicare & Social Security.

159 Gus  Jul 16, 2014 12:31:26pm

Wait!

Yoo-Hoo™

160 Romantic Heretic  Jul 16, 2014 12:31:36pm

re: #76 jaunte

Doesn’t compute.

Unused prisons? Is there such a thing in the U.S.?

161 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 12:31:40pm

I think that tweet was sarcasm.

162 Decatur Deb  Jul 16, 2014 12:31:56pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Gotta be a troll. Please. Really.

163 Decatur Deb  Jul 16, 2014 12:35:13pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

I think that tweet was sarcasm.

But we can no longer take that for a given.

164 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 12:35:24pm

re: #160 Romantic Heretic

Outside of The Walking Dead, it doesn’t seem likely.

165 lawhawk  Jul 16, 2014 12:36:02pm

re: #160 Romantic Heretic

Some states are trying to reduce the number of jail cells and prisons because the costs are unsustainable. It’s one of the reasons that there’s a move (bipartisan in some places) to decriminalize some drug offenses and deal with alternatives to incarceration for nonviolent offenders.

But other states, like CA, are dealing with overcrowded prisons and a requirement to reduce the overcrowding - meaning more jails/prisons must be built, or more releases of prisoners.

166 Dave In Austin  Jul 16, 2014 12:36:11pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

Well, I bit, reel me in and call me crappie…….

167 Bubblehead II  Jul 16, 2014 12:36:59pm
168 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 16, 2014 12:37:08pm

re: #160 Romantic Heretic

Unused prisons? Is there such a thing in the U.S.?

We have all those unoccupied FEMA camps out in the Rockies.

169 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 12:38:46pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

I think that tweet was sarcasm.

Pretty sure it was. He also tweeted this:

The rest of his TL is mostly OK with some occasional snark.

170 Bulworth  Jul 16, 2014 12:42:02pm

re:
#158

Steve must not read so good. In 2009 the CBO projected Medicare spending to increase from 3% to 6% of GDP by 2030. Now they are projecting it will increase only to 4%.

171 Jordy LuhPhorj  Jul 16, 2014 12:43:25pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

That blonde woman right in front was in that Michigan town hall video posted a couple days ago. She gets up and rants unintelligibly for a while, seething with rage.

172 Romantic Heretic  Jul 16, 2014 12:44:57pm

re: #167 Bubblehead II

[Embedded content]

Snort.

Heard a good joke yesterday.

Heisenberg and Schrödinger are driving along when a cop stops them. “Do you know how fast you were going?”

“No,” replies Heisenberg, “but I know where I am.”

This makes the cop suspicious so he asks them to open the trunk. “Were you aware there’s a dead cat in your trunk?” he asks a second later.

“I do now,” replies Schrödinger.

173 Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 16, 2014 12:48:29pm

re: #142 Pie-onist Overlord

Expect a bunch of fake reviews to start popping up on the Trip Advisor site, gushing about how well appointed the rooms are.

174 ausador  Jul 16, 2014 12:50:04pm

re: #112 Targetpractice

Warranty void if seal is broken.

//

Don't break the seal…

175 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 12:53:23pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I believe that even if that schoolbus had been full of illegal immigrants, Rep. Adam Kwasman is still an asshole.

176 wrenchwench  Jul 16, 2014 12:54:43pm

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

I believe that even if that schoolbus had been full of illegal immigrants, Rep. Adam Kwasman is still an asshole.

Anyone who thinks sending the kids back is compassion is an asshole.

Anyone who thinks sending ALL the kids back means nobody will be tempted to come here anymore is an idiot.

177 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 16, 2014 1:14:22pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Click through the photos here.

Those protesters in Vasser, Michigan, had guns.

Scary Shit Maynard….. I’m telling you, it’s just a matter of time before a driver panics, somebody trips, something unexpected happens, and the shooting won’t be over until all the magazines run dry. Once the first shot get fired, then a panic response will take over, and it will be bad.

RBS

178 alpuz  Jul 16, 2014 1:17:22pm

re: #151 Mike Lamb

Flashback to 4th of July parties and being a kid.


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